September 10, 2025 • 28 mins
Doug riffs about the WNBA. Doug reacts to Chris Broussard's take about JJ McCarthy. Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart deems as most annoying today. Plus, Chris Long makes today's installment of "Because We Can".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
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Speaker 3 (00:22):
Just keep listening to the body keeps kind of rolling
into it. Do do Do Do Do Do Do Do
Do Do do do do Oh?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
You know, I find fascinating. I find fascinating. On how
I was. I was joking with our players today at
practice and one of our big guys missed a couple
of layups in a row, and I was like kind
of teasing him in front of the guys and talking
about calling him Angel Reese whatever.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
But the w NBA season.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Last night I was, I was at there's a restaurant
here in town where it's really cool. It's over by
It's over by Lambeau where great food.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
And then you have these bays.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
And in the bays you can have either golf simulator,
you can do baseball sim you can do whatever. Golf
simulator is the best. And they had all these games
on and the Fever game was on, and I just
even remember Sam's energy towards the Fever last year and
this year, and obviously injuries have derailed their season. But
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I mean, you know, we talked about a little bit
in the radio show, how quickly kind of the world
can turn on you. From Mike McDaniel being this genius,
great personality, got all the swaged and now he's the
most likely coach to be the first fired this year
in the NFL. And it does still just come down
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to winning and losing. But I mean, think think about
the WNBA. If you go back, you there was a
world there at the start of this season where you're like, okay,
well actually kind of got a plan around watching the
Indiana Fever play. You're kind of excited about it. Remember
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she had that little stretch Caitlin Clark did in her
first home game. You're like, oh my gosh, now she's
hitting threes. She hits a slump. They start, you know,
being super physical and pushing around and trying to take
back their league from the young second year player.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Then she gets.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Hurt and she doesn't play anymore, and obviously other factors,
Sophie Cunningham gets hurt, and now it's what it's like
painful to have on TV. It's like obligatory have to
have on TV, which once she gets September. Nothing should
be obligatory about being on TV. There's plenty of sports
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that matter, and WNBA has gone from I might have
to pay attention to this too. Why is this even on?
Why is this even That's what I thoughtlast night? Why
is this even on?
Speaker 1 (03:02):
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Speaker 2 (03:15):
Let's get through what the Fox says and now every
day this time that I got lip show in the
Motors podcast, play for your previous portion of the Fox
Sports Radio or Fox Sports One show. Here's our good
friend Colin Cowherd. He had this exchange with Joel Klett
about Caleb Williams.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Caleb at USC from the NFL. People I talked to was,
you know, his accuracy is a little bit all over
the map because his feet are all over the map.
As somebody that played the position in college. Your interpretation
of some of his I mean some of his stuff
was like layups and he missed it badly.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
What did you see yeah, I mean, I do think
it's a footwork problem. And one of the things at
USC was rarely was the ball out on time.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
And when you.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
Get to the NFL level, everything comes down to timing
and spacing or is the ball on target and on time?
And he can struggle with that because he has this
belief in himself that he's going to make the play
with his athleticism, which does show up by the way,
still he still ran for a touchdown and can elude
the rush and get himself in a position to go
and make a play. But Colin, the more concerning part
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is that when he is in the pocket and he
does have time, the constant missing high or being just
a little bit late. That has to improve. Now, I
do think it's unfair to grade him with a final
evaluation in his very first opportunity to play in a
Ben Johnson offense. I think you would agree with me
on that. I don't know what it's going to look
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like during the course of the year. I would agree
with you. I think it's going to be the best
version of whatever he can be. But it's pretty clear
to me that he's got to become a much better
quarterback when it relates to the timing and accuracy with
which he plays in the pocket.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Here's what happens, though, is is I do think that
football guys in class obviously a football guy, they they
want to give every possible chance of improvement and evolution.
And hey, it's about this, Hey, it's about that. It
is and I'm sure Joel knows you can just adjust
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your feet a little bit. You can adjust this a
little bit and get a better result.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
All The issue is that you have had an entire
offseason to work on these things. You would you have
to be sharp right away. You There's something called game slippage,
and game slippage is no matter what you do in practice,
you're gonna do it slightly worse, usually in a game
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because when you got defense, you're fatigued. Maybe somebody didn't
run the route exactly the same as they're supposed to
run the route.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
All these things, so game.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Slippage it's very hard to correct. Once you start playing,
it's very hard to improve all you're trying to do.
It's like lifting. You lift all off season, you put
on fifteen pounds, You're gonna lose weight in season, and
you lift in season you're not gonna make games, but
you just try and maintain. It's the same thing with
your skill set. And that's the part that gives me
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fear of what's to come for Cayleb Williams. Here's ready
Quinn Jonas Knox talking about Colt's owner, Carly Ursay Gordon
wearing a headset during games.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
She explained her reasoning as to why she's on the
sidelines with a headset on during games.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
That sort of accelerated I need to learn more about this.
I need to be able to say, is this person
full of bs? Do they even know what they're talking about?
And I think one of the things that being on
the headset has really helped me learn is to the
question earlier. There is such a complex organism a football
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team and how it operates and on game day and
you could say, oh, that person ran that route wrong.
When you learn to find someone tagged the wrong wide
receiver and it wasn't really the player's fault, it was
the person that called it so and it's never I
think that's been a very valuable because it also helps
us be able to know where do we need to
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make tweaks, what resources do we need are what do
we need to fix? So much of it as comes
down to just how we operate and how things work,
and the headsets are really I wish more. I would
suggest it for anyone else that has to pay coaches
and gms millions and millions of dollars. It helps you
make a less expensive mistake potentially.
Speaker 7 (07:47):
All right, let's just break some things down really quick.
And this is probably going to get some pushback from
some of our female listeners, but the reality is is
what you just gave as an example doesn't have happen.
It doesn't happen like maybe someone tagged the route wrong. No,
it's not how it works. If she actually was there
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during the course of the week, which is equally as
important to understand how all that happens on a Sunday
for all these people you're paying millions of dollars, she
would then understand that that game plan, the call sheet
that they're going over that has gone over five or
six times, It is printed out laminated exactly how the
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coach and the quarterback and the players want it to be.
So all that play caller is doing is reading off
the game plan. So unless there's some sort of issues dyslexic.
There's a Fordian slip. He's calling that, tagging it exactly
how they want it to be, exactly how they've prepared
for the entire week, exactly how maybe they've installed it
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and put it together and practice it since camp but
Ota is a mini camp. So this is one example
to me of someone who's now in a position of
power of ownership because he's inherited the team where it's
like I'm listening to him talk, going, oh God, you're
in charge of making decisions now, And this could be anyone, right,
but it just happens to be you know, a female
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in this case, but I understand her or wanting to
be more involved. That's great. Be there every day then,
either be there or don't like, don't just drop in
on a Sunday, be on the headset and act like
you're gonna be able to know everything.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Look do I do? Do I side with Rady? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Mostly you know people that perashut in and try and
you know, make adjustments or have an opinion when you
weren't there all week. That's one thing. On the other hand,
I honestly think what she's doing. I don't like the.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
What's the word I'm looking for.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
I don't necessarily love the visual of it, Like she
doesn't need to be on the sideline and as engaged whatever,
But she is educating herself so she knows, so she
knows what's going on. I've told people all the time,
like I tell parents, like, you know, what you should
do is you should sit behind the bench so you know,
and then we can go through and watch a film.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
I can tell you.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Why I take a player out of the game. It's
not always because it's usually not one mistake, it's three
or four that they've made. Yeah, she's the layman. She's
admitting she's the layman. She's admitted that she's learning, and
it's all helping her. It's all helping her digest and
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learn about who she's paying and what their level of competency.
Does she know anything? Like no, not really. But I
think if you treat her with respect and not condescension,
and you show her the why, I don't think there's
anything wrong with it.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Obviously, people have a natural inclination to not trust or
to not value people who don't know anything because they're
from out of the industry.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
But in this particular case.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Again, I think she's using it to educate herself, and
though she may be using words in terms in incorrect context,
she's doing a pretty good job of faking.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
It, if that's what it is.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Here's Chris Bissard talking about JJ McCarthy's NFL debut.
Speaker 8 (11:38):
Obviously, his numbers weren't the greatest, but can you have
a better debut than this? You know, I mean when
you do something no one in the history of the
league has done, which was the three touchdowns in the
fourth quarter, you know, for the comeback, like it was great.
He showed resilience, he showed toughness. Look he did in fairness,
he got a big boost from his defense, which was
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just great in the second half, only gave up the
seven points late in the game, and then from his
run game which they ran for eighty five yards in
the second half.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
To what that.
Speaker 8 (12:14):
What those all that did is give him time to
ease into the game. Look, he didn't look rattled to
me at the beginning. He wasn't doing much, but he
was passing the ball fine.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
When he threw it.
Speaker 8 (12:25):
He was under a little duressed from the pressure from
the Bears. But for him to bounce back from that
pick six in his home city on the road in
a huge standalone game on a fourteen a team that
was fourteen and two last year, and just let this
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quarterback who was in the MVP discussion go because of you,
and you're facing a big name rookie the number one
pick opposite you. For him to do what he did
was huge.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Yeah, I mean listen, he bounced back. So many other
quarterbacks played well in their opening drive and their scripture drives,
then didn't play well in the meat of the game.
He did, which shows his competitive instincts and also shows
that Kevin O'Connell continues to learn how to call the
right plays for his guys.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
That's what the fuck said.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
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Speaker 3 (13:31):
Let's find out who are What's annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 9 (13:43):
Hey, Doug, there's some great WNBA stuff, great WNBA stuff.
First of all, I know you're annoyed by this, but
they're starting their playoffs soon. Their playoffs are set. They
want the world to know their playoff bracket is set.
But the real interesting stuff is Angel Reese. I don't
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know if you saw over the weekend, but she served
a half half a game suspension for remarks detrimental to
the team. Remember last week when she said that her
language was taken out of context. Well, the team didn't
believe that, and they suspended her for one half of
one game, and then the second half she claimed back
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back injury. It's I think it's in the history of sports.
It's the first time that a player has ever missed
half a game due to suspension and then the other
half due to injury. If you think about it, it
doesn't make any sense. I want to say that her
new head coach admitted yesterday that she was supposed to
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play and has refused to play. He didn't say those words,
but he kind of intimated it. So that just adds
to the intrigue. And then you have so Sophie Cunningham
now Sophie CUNNINGHWM. How do we know who she is?
She defended Kanitlin Clark in one game and has become
a media star. She's easy on the eyes, she's straight,
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she's white, she has a podcast and she talked about
Angel Reese's words that Angel said she was her language
was taken out of context.
Speaker 10 (15:25):
I'm a very teen first person, Like I always get
the team before my feelings, and I think that should
be a standard. And so you got to protect your
locker room. And so you just can't be saying everything
you're feeling because that just is not a good look.
And then your teammates feel a certain way and that
causes division in the locker room. So it's just protect
your locker room at all costs. And I'm sure she
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regrets saying that, don't get me wrong, but man, there's
just there's just some things that everyone probably knows you
just can't say. And you got to live the front office.
You can have those conversations behind closed doors, but to
say it in media that you should get fined.
Speaker 9 (16:03):
I just think that there's like this Sophie's words basically
gloss over the fact that she excused it as being
taken out of context. When she says I'm sure she
regrets what she said, it doesn't I would say no.
And when when she's like, yeah, you just there's certain
things you're think and you don't say again, Angel rees
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says that her words were taken out of context, so
she didn't actually say those words. So if you do
the math on this, Doug, not only does Sophie Cunningham
uh not believe her, but the team didn't believe her
that she was taken out of context. It suspended her
before her injury. So I'm gonna just put a button
on this and say the entire thing was bullshit and annoyed.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
I completely agree with you.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
I think you said it perfectly. I'm not going to
correct you or try and make myself you and I
completely agree.
Speaker 9 (16:56):
If you're Angel Reese's coach, how do you handle her situation?
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Oh, I mean they're bad, their seasons coming to an end,
so I'm sure she's worried about her own job. I again,
you have to go to management and just say, look,
if we're gonna win with Angel Reese like she she
just she's killing our team. No matter how much she
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helps us, rebounding all these other things she doesn't, she
does actually hurts us. I think you got to work
around her right now with management, knowing your season's coming
to an end, you're not gonna be in the playoffs,
and you know she's there's also the the other part
to it is there's that threat of a lockout, that
they might not even be able to have contact with
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their players for all period of time.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
I don't know. I think it's incredibly difficult what you're.
Speaker 9 (17:48):
Asking, Ben Jonson. And again I'm gonna tell listeners, new listeners,
I look at I'm a glass half empty guy. You're
a glass half full guy.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Sure.
Speaker 9 (17:59):
So a lot of times our disagreements come to that. Yes,
you tend to see the good people. I tend to
be cynical and say, what are they fucking doing? What
are they trying to get away with?
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Okay?
Speaker 9 (18:12):
So Ben Johnson has given us two soundbites to dissect,
Okay being the cynical asshole. I'm gonna say, he's contradicting himself,
and he's covering his ass and he is not taking
up for his player. Colin Cowherd on his radio show
today said, this is a great moment of accountability. Okay,
(18:32):
I disagree with that. So here it is. Let's listen
to the second bite. First, the cut fourteen. This is
what he said about kicking the ball out of bounds
right after the game at the press conference right after
the game, the intent was.
Speaker 11 (18:46):
For the ball to go out of the end zone
and was there.
Speaker 7 (18:49):
Do you guys consider kick how did that?
Speaker 11 (18:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (18:52):
It did.
Speaker 11 (18:52):
We felt like if we had kicked it out of
the end zone and gotten the three and out that
we got, we would get the ball back with around
fifty six seconds.
Speaker 9 (18:59):
So in that moment, he's putting in the blame on
the kicker. Sure, right fully on the kicker. So I
guess he had twelve to fifteen hours to think about it,
which usually equals read and listen to all the bad
press he got for what he said, and he made
an adjustment to his statement.
Speaker 11 (19:19):
I didn't think I called a particularly great game. I
could have adjusted a little bit better to the lack
of pressure that flow was given us, and so I
can do a better job there. And then at the
end of the game, felt like we.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Could kick it out of the back. We weren't able
to get that done.
Speaker 11 (19:33):
In hindsight, I should have kicked it.
Speaker 9 (19:35):
Out of balance. Oh, out of the back of the
end zone. So that was a key term that he
alleviated out of his Sunday answer. So you actually told
the kicker to kick it out of the back of
the end zone, which not all kickers could do, especially
in the Windy City. And now you're saying back of
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the end zone interesting, I think that I thought he
threw his player under the bus on Sunday and then
his like remarks to try to clean it up the
next day just don't add up.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
I did.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
I did think he made it very clear that he
told me to kick it out of bounds. I think
he made it very clear a second time that he
told me to kick it out of bounds by kicking
out of the back of the end zone. And I
think he made it very clear that Karen Santos said
he did have the leg for that, which he clearly does.
Everybody else can can seem to kick it out of
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the inZone.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
But I agree with you that he made it very clear.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
He did not order the code read he ordered something else,
and I kind of agree with that.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
I thought he called him.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
I thought, again, maybe you're you're looking at this half empty,
half full. I think he called him out without calling
him out. I thought he think he made it clear
that he had a plan, and then I think he
made it he left it ambiguous in that if you
want to look at it as Karen Santo like I
doesn't have a leg for it, fine, or you can
look at it as hey, Kiren Santo, he tried. He
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just couldn't get it there. That was a mistake. Okay,
however you want to, but yeah, that was that was interesting.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
So what else?
Speaker 9 (21:14):
Gen Z is typically at the other end of my
eyre here and this is a great example. So for
those familiar with this podcast and my take on gen Z,
I think that they're an entitled generation that tends to
get things that they want and that is our fault.
I am a parent of gen Z. I have led
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to this issue. So remember Travis Hunter. If you asked
the Jaguars and in all honesty, why does Travis Hunter
play both ways? The answer is going to be because
he wants to, or his agent told us he wanted to.
Micah Parsons gets traded to the Packers with a back injury.
You last week speculated like, man, they got two games
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and four days and with the back, you want to
take that easy. You just invested what was it, hundreds
of millions of dollars in one player and you give
up two first round draft picks. So to see him
play on Sunday, surprise me, I don't know what you
thought when you saw that Michah Parsons active. I'm like,
that's interesting. Wonder why he didn't play in a lot.
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You think he played in like thirty percent of the
snaps and made a big play at the end. But
we found out from Micah himself why he played.
Speaker 13 (22:33):
I told him, you know, the the day when they
were talking me about the snapcounts, like, man, we could
run gassers. We can be in practice and you give
me these plays. We can run to the ball. But
I was like, at the end of the day, like,
you gotta let me push through some things. You gotta
let me, like you know, get tired and get war
out out there so that way I can't become better
and get better from it. And you know, that's when
it was like, Okay, your reps can go up, like
you gotta really like sometimes you gotta fight for your
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own right to play.
Speaker 9 (22:56):
Interesting. What a great philosopher. There's actually a cliche in
our lexicon. It's the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Right. Yeah,
if you complain enough, maybe your boss will give you
something or your parent will give you something. The problem
is here in this dynamic is that you have just
been given an extension worth a ton of money. You
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are now a protected asset on a football team, a
violent sport, and you have by all accounts a back
injury that the Packers doctors put you on the injury
report last week. And it comes down to he played
on Sunday because he wanted to. When Laffour was asked
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this yesterday about Micah's comments, Lafleur refused to answer because
Micah Parsons is obviously throwing his coaching staff under the
bus or the decision making. If mikeid gets hurt on
Thursday night and they determined that it was reaggravating this
one injury and then he might miss a few more
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weeks because he pushed it a little too hard, then
what will the Packers say? Because you have the player
himself saying I played on Sunday because I want to.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
I think you bring up a great point.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
I you know, you and I disagree on some stuff,
but this one is not one of them. Is that
once we let players say they're their own best doctors, Well,
this is this is that pendulum swinging way too much
in the player's fashion sort of thing, right where okay,
he can only play if he's clear. But even if
he's clear, and he can only play if he says
he's okay to play like that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
It is infectant only.
Speaker 9 (24:36):
So my the Micah situation, we got the Ben Johnson
walk back kind of not really, and then the Angel
Reefs situation.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Mmm, uh, I think I'll I mean, Angel Reece has
won this so many times. I think I'm gonna go
to the Micah situation. Right, your back was too bad
to ever work out or to do anything. Now it's
okay and there's some question marks. Now I'll clear myself. Yeah,
I'm with you. That doesn't sit well with me. So
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to Micah Parsons and the Empowerment posse, allowing players to
dictate terms when they practice, when they play, what they do,
how they do it, You're not.
Speaker 9 (25:21):
Why are we doing this.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Because we can?
Speaker 9 (25:30):
Hey, Doug, when you came up with this feature for
this podcast.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Yeah, this is the kind.
Speaker 9 (25:35):
Of SoundBite it is perfect for it. In other words,
every once in a while, a sound bite comes across
our content and over the air. Radio stations can't play it,
Cable networks can't play it without the beeps, and people
hate beeps, but on the in the Bonus Podcast with
Doug Gottlieb, you get a chance to hear uncensored Chris
(26:00):
Long talking about his experienced Friday night watching the YouTube
game between the Chiefs and the Chargers.
Speaker 12 (26:08):
I watched the YouTube broadcast of the game in South
Pallow and I felt immediately like somebody who was being
ushered to a like an early grave. Like it just
felt like, hey, like time to die, boomer, Like you
don't know who destroying is? Time to die? You don't
(26:29):
you don't want to see you don't want to see
mister Beast's like giant fucking pearly white smile as he
squid games too, you know NFL fans like through a
fucking goalpost, No problem, Just go to bed. You're you're
old anyways. The whole thing to me, it's jarring. And
I understand like what old people feel like when programming changes,
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because like I just don't get it. Then I'm old, right,
and nobody wants to be the guy that's like is
shitting on like streamers or like it's a new you know,
I don't want like I don't want to shit on
young people. But I'm like man, I really felt it
the other night, like I'm not gonna throw a fit,
I'm still gonna watch the game, saying the YouTube is
inherently an old man thing, and I called it the YouTube.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Yeah, it's so good. First of all, Chris is so good.
He's really really good. Second of all, every you know,
and all of us have had that kind of same
that I have no idea what they're talking about. It's honestly,
that experience is a little bit like what it's been
for me watching Uh, what's the the not the Oscars,
the what's the what's the music Awards? The big the Grammys.
(27:36):
That's just like to watch the Grammys for me. He
has ever watch the Grammy's, Like, I have no idea
who that is. Now look some of the headline acts,
of course, you know, but a lot of people are like, I.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Don't know, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
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Speaker 3 (00:22):
Just keep listening to the body keeps kind of rolling
into it. Do do Do Do Do Do Do Do
Do Do do do do Oh?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
You know, I find fascinating. I find fascinating. On how
I was. I was joking with our players today at
practice and one of our big guys missed a couple
of layups in a row, and I was like kind
of teasing him in front of the guys and talking
about calling him Angel Reese whatever.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
But the w NBA season.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Last night I was, I was at there's a restaurant
here in town where it's really cool. It's over by
It's over by Lambeau where great food.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
And then you have these bays.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
And in the bays you can have either golf simulator,
you can do baseball sim you can do whatever. Golf
simulator is the best. And they had all these games
on and the Fever game was on, and I just
even remember Sam's energy towards the Fever last year and
this year, and obviously injuries have derailed their season. But
(01:29):
I mean, you know, we talked about a little bit
in the radio show, how quickly kind of the world
can turn on you. From Mike McDaniel being this genius,
great personality, got all the swaged and now he's the
most likely coach to be the first fired this year
in the NFL. And it does still just come down
(01:49):
to winning and losing. But I mean, think think about
the WNBA. If you go back, you there was a
world there at the start of this season where you're like, okay,
well actually kind of got a plan around watching the
Indiana Fever play. You're kind of excited about it. Remember
(02:11):
she had that little stretch Caitlin Clark did in her
first home game. You're like, oh my gosh, now she's
hitting threes. She hits a slump. They start, you know,
being super physical and pushing around and trying to take
back their league from the young second year player.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Then she gets.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Hurt and she doesn't play anymore, and obviously other factors,
Sophie Cunningham gets hurt, and now it's what it's like
painful to have on TV. It's like obligatory have to
have on TV, which once she gets September. Nothing should
be obligatory about being on TV. There's plenty of sports
(02:49):
that matter, and WNBA has gone from I might have
to pay attention to this too. Why is this even on?
Why is this even That's what I thoughtlast night? Why
is this even on?
Speaker 1 (03:02):
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Speaker 2 (03:15):
Let's get through what the Fox says and now every
day this time that I got lip show in the
Motors podcast, play for your previous portion of the Fox
Sports Radio or Fox Sports One show. Here's our good
friend Colin Cowherd. He had this exchange with Joel Klett
about Caleb Williams.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Caleb at USC from the NFL. People I talked to was,
you know, his accuracy is a little bit all over
the map because his feet are all over the map.
As somebody that played the position in college. Your interpretation
of some of his I mean some of his stuff
was like layups and he missed it badly.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
What did you see yeah, I mean, I do think
it's a footwork problem. And one of the things at
USC was rarely was the ball out on time.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
And when you.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
Get to the NFL level, everything comes down to timing
and spacing or is the ball on target and on time?
And he can struggle with that because he has this
belief in himself that he's going to make the play
with his athleticism, which does show up by the way,
still he still ran for a touchdown and can elude
the rush and get himself in a position to go
and make a play. But Colin, the more concerning part
(04:20):
is that when he is in the pocket and he
does have time, the constant missing high or being just
a little bit late. That has to improve. Now, I
do think it's unfair to grade him with a final
evaluation in his very first opportunity to play in a
Ben Johnson offense. I think you would agree with me
on that. I don't know what it's going to look
(04:41):
like during the course of the year. I would agree
with you. I think it's going to be the best
version of whatever he can be. But it's pretty clear
to me that he's got to become a much better
quarterback when it relates to the timing and accuracy with
which he plays in the pocket.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Here's what happens, though, is is I do think that
football guys in class obviously a football guy, they they
want to give every possible chance of improvement and evolution.
And hey, it's about this, Hey, it's about that. It
is and I'm sure Joel knows you can just adjust
(05:22):
your feet a little bit. You can adjust this a
little bit and get a better result.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
All The issue is that you have had an entire
offseason to work on these things. You would you have
to be sharp right away. You There's something called game slippage,
and game slippage is no matter what you do in practice,
you're gonna do it slightly worse, usually in a game
(05:49):
because when you got defense, you're fatigued. Maybe somebody didn't
run the route exactly the same as they're supposed to
run the route.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
All these things, so game.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Slippage it's very hard to correct. Once you start playing,
it's very hard to improve all you're trying to do.
It's like lifting. You lift all off season, you put
on fifteen pounds, You're gonna lose weight in season, and
you lift in season you're not gonna make games, but
you just try and maintain. It's the same thing with
your skill set. And that's the part that gives me
(06:21):
fear of what's to come for Cayleb Williams. Here's ready
Quinn Jonas Knox talking about Colt's owner, Carly Ursay Gordon
wearing a headset during games.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
She explained her reasoning as to why she's on the
sidelines with a headset on during games.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
That sort of accelerated I need to learn more about this.
I need to be able to say, is this person
full of bs? Do they even know what they're talking about?
And I think one of the things that being on
the headset has really helped me learn is to the
question earlier. There is such a complex organism a football
(07:02):
team and how it operates and on game day and
you could say, oh, that person ran that route wrong.
When you learn to find someone tagged the wrong wide
receiver and it wasn't really the player's fault, it was
the person that called it so and it's never I
think that's been a very valuable because it also helps
us be able to know where do we need to
(07:25):
make tweaks, what resources do we need are what do
we need to fix? So much of it as comes
down to just how we operate and how things work,
and the headsets are really I wish more. I would
suggest it for anyone else that has to pay coaches
and gms millions and millions of dollars. It helps you
make a less expensive mistake potentially.
Speaker 7 (07:47):
All right, let's just break some things down really quick.
And this is probably going to get some pushback from
some of our female listeners, but the reality is is
what you just gave as an example doesn't have happen.
It doesn't happen like maybe someone tagged the route wrong. No,
it's not how it works. If she actually was there
(08:11):
during the course of the week, which is equally as
important to understand how all that happens on a Sunday
for all these people you're paying millions of dollars, she
would then understand that that game plan, the call sheet
that they're going over that has gone over five or
six times, It is printed out laminated exactly how the
(08:36):
coach and the quarterback and the players want it to be.
So all that play caller is doing is reading off
the game plan. So unless there's some sort of issues dyslexic.
There's a Fordian slip. He's calling that, tagging it exactly
how they want it to be, exactly how they've prepared
for the entire week, exactly how maybe they've installed it
(08:57):
and put it together and practice it since camp but
Ota is a mini camp. So this is one example
to me of someone who's now in a position of
power of ownership because he's inherited the team where it's
like I'm listening to him talk, going, oh God, you're
in charge of making decisions now, And this could be anyone, right,
but it just happens to be you know, a female
(09:19):
in this case, but I understand her or wanting to
be more involved. That's great. Be there every day then,
either be there or don't like, don't just drop in
on a Sunday, be on the headset and act like
you're gonna be able to know everything.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Look do I do? Do I side with Rady? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Mostly you know people that perashut in and try and
you know, make adjustments or have an opinion when you
weren't there all week. That's one thing. On the other hand,
I honestly think what she's doing. I don't like the.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
What's the word I'm looking for.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
I don't necessarily love the visual of it, Like she
doesn't need to be on the sideline and as engaged whatever,
But she is educating herself so she knows, so she
knows what's going on. I've told people all the time,
like I tell parents, like, you know, what you should
do is you should sit behind the bench so you know,
and then we can go through and watch a film.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
I can tell you.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Why I take a player out of the game. It's
not always because it's usually not one mistake, it's three
or four that they've made. Yeah, she's the layman. She's
admitting she's the layman. She's admitted that she's learning, and
it's all helping her. It's all helping her digest and
(10:52):
learn about who she's paying and what their level of competency.
Does she know anything? Like no, not really. But I
think if you treat her with respect and not condescension,
and you show her the why, I don't think there's
anything wrong with it.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Obviously, people have a natural inclination to not trust or
to not value people who don't know anything because they're
from out of the industry.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
But in this particular case.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Again, I think she's using it to educate herself, and
though she may be using words in terms in incorrect context,
she's doing a pretty good job of faking.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
It, if that's what it is.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Here's Chris Bissard talking about JJ McCarthy's NFL debut.
Speaker 8 (11:38):
Obviously, his numbers weren't the greatest, but can you have
a better debut than this? You know, I mean when
you do something no one in the history of the
league has done, which was the three touchdowns in the
fourth quarter, you know, for the comeback, like it was great.
He showed resilience, he showed toughness. Look he did in fairness,
he got a big boost from his defense, which was
(12:00):
just great in the second half, only gave up the
seven points late in the game, and then from his
run game which they ran for eighty five yards in
the second half.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
To what that.
Speaker 8 (12:14):
What those all that did is give him time to
ease into the game. Look, he didn't look rattled to
me at the beginning. He wasn't doing much, but he
was passing the ball fine.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
When he threw it.
Speaker 8 (12:25):
He was under a little duressed from the pressure from
the Bears. But for him to bounce back from that
pick six in his home city on the road in
a huge standalone game on a fourteen a team that
was fourteen and two last year, and just let this
(12:46):
quarterback who was in the MVP discussion go because of you,
and you're facing a big name rookie the number one
pick opposite you. For him to do what he did
was huge.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Yeah, I mean listen, he bounced back. So many other
quarterbacks played well in their opening drive and their scripture drives,
then didn't play well in the meat of the game.
He did, which shows his competitive instincts and also shows
that Kevin O'Connell continues to learn how to call the
right plays for his guys.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
That's what the fuck said.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
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Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
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Speaker 3 (13:31):
Let's find out who are What's annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 9 (13:43):
Hey, Doug, there's some great WNBA stuff, great WNBA stuff.
First of all, I know you're annoyed by this, but
they're starting their playoffs soon. Their playoffs are set. They
want the world to know their playoff bracket is set.
But the real interesting stuff is Angel Reese. I don't
(14:06):
know if you saw over the weekend, but she served
a half half a game suspension for remarks detrimental to
the team. Remember last week when she said that her
language was taken out of context. Well, the team didn't
believe that, and they suspended her for one half of
one game, and then the second half she claimed back
(14:28):
back injury. It's I think it's in the history of sports.
It's the first time that a player has ever missed
half a game due to suspension and then the other
half due to injury. If you think about it, it
doesn't make any sense. I want to say that her
new head coach admitted yesterday that she was supposed to
(14:51):
play and has refused to play. He didn't say those words,
but he kind of intimated it. So that just adds
to the intrigue. And then you have so Sophie Cunningham
now Sophie CUNNINGHWM. How do we know who she is?
She defended Kanitlin Clark in one game and has become
a media star. She's easy on the eyes, she's straight,
(15:14):
she's white, she has a podcast and she talked about
Angel Reese's words that Angel said she was her language
was taken out of context.
Speaker 10 (15:25):
I'm a very teen first person, Like I always get
the team before my feelings, and I think that should
be a standard. And so you got to protect your
locker room. And so you just can't be saying everything
you're feeling because that just is not a good look.
And then your teammates feel a certain way and that
causes division in the locker room. So it's just protect
your locker room at all costs. And I'm sure she
(15:47):
regrets saying that, don't get me wrong, but man, there's
just there's just some things that everyone probably knows you
just can't say. And you got to live the front office.
You can have those conversations behind closed doors, but to
say it in media that you should get fined.
Speaker 9 (16:03):
I just think that there's like this Sophie's words basically
gloss over the fact that she excused it as being
taken out of context. When she says I'm sure she
regrets what she said, it doesn't I would say no.
And when when she's like, yeah, you just there's certain
things you're think and you don't say again, Angel rees
(16:23):
says that her words were taken out of context, so
she didn't actually say those words. So if you do
the math on this, Doug, not only does Sophie Cunningham
uh not believe her, but the team didn't believe her
that she was taken out of context. It suspended her
before her injury. So I'm gonna just put a button
on this and say the entire thing was bullshit and annoyed.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
I completely agree with you.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
I think you said it perfectly. I'm not going to
correct you or try and make myself you and I
completely agree.
Speaker 9 (16:56):
If you're Angel Reese's coach, how do you handle her situation?
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Oh, I mean they're bad, their seasons coming to an end,
so I'm sure she's worried about her own job. I again,
you have to go to management and just say, look,
if we're gonna win with Angel Reese like she she
just she's killing our team. No matter how much she
(17:23):
helps us, rebounding all these other things she doesn't, she
does actually hurts us. I think you got to work
around her right now with management, knowing your season's coming
to an end, you're not gonna be in the playoffs,
and you know she's there's also the the other part
to it is there's that threat of a lockout, that
they might not even be able to have contact with
(17:44):
their players for all period of time.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
I don't know. I think it's incredibly difficult what you're.
Speaker 9 (17:48):
Asking, Ben Jonson. And again I'm gonna tell listeners, new listeners,
I look at I'm a glass half empty guy. You're
a glass half full guy.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Sure.
Speaker 9 (17:59):
So a lot of times our disagreements come to that. Yes,
you tend to see the good people. I tend to
be cynical and say, what are they fucking doing? What
are they trying to get away with?
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Okay?
Speaker 9 (18:12):
So Ben Johnson has given us two soundbites to dissect,
Okay being the cynical asshole. I'm gonna say, he's contradicting himself,
and he's covering his ass and he is not taking
up for his player. Colin Cowherd on his radio show
today said, this is a great moment of accountability. Okay,
(18:32):
I disagree with that. So here it is. Let's listen
to the second bite. First, the cut fourteen. This is
what he said about kicking the ball out of bounds
right after the game at the press conference right after
the game, the intent was.
Speaker 11 (18:46):
For the ball to go out of the end zone
and was there.
Speaker 7 (18:49):
Do you guys consider kick how did that?
Speaker 11 (18:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (18:52):
It did.
Speaker 11 (18:52):
We felt like if we had kicked it out of
the end zone and gotten the three and out that
we got, we would get the ball back with around
fifty six seconds.
Speaker 9 (18:59):
So in that moment, he's putting in the blame on
the kicker. Sure, right fully on the kicker. So I
guess he had twelve to fifteen hours to think about it,
which usually equals read and listen to all the bad
press he got for what he said, and he made
an adjustment to his statement.
Speaker 11 (19:19):
I didn't think I called a particularly great game. I
could have adjusted a little bit better to the lack
of pressure that flow was given us, and so I
can do a better job there. And then at the
end of the game, felt like we.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Could kick it out of the back. We weren't able
to get that done.
Speaker 11 (19:33):
In hindsight, I should have kicked it.
Speaker 9 (19:35):
Out of balance. Oh, out of the back of the
end zone. So that was a key term that he
alleviated out of his Sunday answer. So you actually told
the kicker to kick it out of the back of
the end zone, which not all kickers could do, especially
in the Windy City. And now you're saying back of
(19:56):
the end zone interesting, I think that I thought he
threw his player under the bus on Sunday and then
his like remarks to try to clean it up the
next day just don't add up.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
I did.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
I did think he made it very clear that he
told me to kick it out of bounds. I think
he made it very clear a second time that he
told me to kick it out of bounds by kicking
out of the back of the end zone. And I
think he made it very clear that Karen Santos said
he did have the leg for that, which he clearly does.
Everybody else can can seem to kick it out of
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the inZone.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
But I agree with you that he made it very clear.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
He did not order the code read he ordered something else,
and I kind of agree with that.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
I thought he called him.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
I thought, again, maybe you're you're looking at this half empty,
half full. I think he called him out without calling
him out. I thought he think he made it clear
that he had a plan, and then I think he
made it he left it ambiguous in that if you
want to look at it as Karen Santo like I
doesn't have a leg for it, fine, or you can
look at it as hey, Kiren Santo, he tried. He
(21:04):
just couldn't get it there. That was a mistake. Okay,
however you want to, but yeah, that was that was interesting.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
So what else?
Speaker 9 (21:14):
Gen Z is typically at the other end of my
eyre here and this is a great example. So for
those familiar with this podcast and my take on gen Z,
I think that they're an entitled generation that tends to
get things that they want and that is our fault.
I am a parent of gen Z. I have led
(21:36):
to this issue. So remember Travis Hunter. If you asked
the Jaguars and in all honesty, why does Travis Hunter
play both ways? The answer is going to be because
he wants to, or his agent told us he wanted to.
Micah Parsons gets traded to the Packers with a back injury.
You last week speculated like, man, they got two games
(21:59):
and four days and with the back, you want to
take that easy. You just invested what was it, hundreds
of millions of dollars in one player and you give
up two first round draft picks. So to see him
play on Sunday, surprise me, I don't know what you
thought when you saw that Michah Parsons active. I'm like,
that's interesting. Wonder why he didn't play in a lot.
(22:23):
You think he played in like thirty percent of the
snaps and made a big play at the end. But
we found out from Micah himself why he played.
Speaker 13 (22:33):
I told him, you know, the the day when they
were talking me about the snapcounts, like, man, we could
run gassers. We can be in practice and you give
me these plays. We can run to the ball. But
I was like, at the end of the day, like,
you gotta let me push through some things. You gotta
let me, like you know, get tired and get war
out out there so that way I can't become better
and get better from it. And you know, that's when
it was like, Okay, your reps can go up, like
you gotta really like sometimes you gotta fight for your
(22:54):
own right to play.
Speaker 9 (22:56):
Interesting. What a great philosopher. There's actually a cliche in
our lexicon. It's the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Right. Yeah,
if you complain enough, maybe your boss will give you
something or your parent will give you something. The problem
is here in this dynamic is that you have just
been given an extension worth a ton of money. You
(23:17):
are now a protected asset on a football team, a
violent sport, and you have by all accounts a back
injury that the Packers doctors put you on the injury
report last week. And it comes down to he played
on Sunday because he wanted to. When Laffour was asked
(23:38):
this yesterday about Micah's comments, Lafleur refused to answer because
Micah Parsons is obviously throwing his coaching staff under the
bus or the decision making. If mikeid gets hurt on
Thursday night and they determined that it was reaggravating this
one injury and then he might miss a few more
(23:58):
weeks because he pushed it a little too hard, then
what will the Packers say? Because you have the player
himself saying I played on Sunday because I want to.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
I think you bring up a great point.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
I you know, you and I disagree on some stuff,
but this one is not one of them. Is that
once we let players say they're their own best doctors, Well,
this is this is that pendulum swinging way too much
in the player's fashion sort of thing, right where okay,
he can only play if he's clear. But even if
he's clear, and he can only play if he says
he's okay to play like that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
It is infectant only.
Speaker 9 (24:36):
So my the Micah situation, we got the Ben Johnson
walk back kind of not really, and then the Angel
Reefs situation.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Mmm, uh, I think I'll I mean, Angel Reece has
won this so many times. I think I'm gonna go
to the Micah situation. Right, your back was too bad
to ever work out or to do anything. Now it's
okay and there's some question marks. Now I'll clear myself. Yeah,
I'm with you. That doesn't sit well with me. So
(25:07):
to Micah Parsons and the Empowerment posse, allowing players to
dictate terms when they practice, when they play, what they do,
how they do it, You're not.
Speaker 9 (25:21):
Why are we doing this.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Because we can?
Speaker 9 (25:30):
Hey, Doug, when you came up with this feature for
this podcast.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Yeah, this is the kind.
Speaker 9 (25:35):
Of SoundBite it is perfect for it. In other words,
every once in a while, a sound bite comes across
our content and over the air. Radio stations can't play it,
Cable networks can't play it without the beeps, and people
hate beeps, but on the in the Bonus Podcast with
Doug Gottlieb, you get a chance to hear uncensored Chris
(26:00):
Long talking about his experienced Friday night watching the YouTube
game between the Chiefs and the Chargers.
Speaker 12 (26:08):
I watched the YouTube broadcast of the game in South
Pallow and I felt immediately like somebody who was being
ushered to a like an early grave. Like it just
felt like, hey, like time to die, boomer, Like you
don't know who destroying is? Time to die? You don't
(26:29):
you don't want to see you don't want to see
mister Beast's like giant fucking pearly white smile as he
squid games too, you know NFL fans like through a
fucking goalpost, No problem, Just go to bed. You're you're
old anyways. The whole thing to me, it's jarring. And
I understand like what old people feel like when programming changes,
(26:51):
because like I just don't get it. Then I'm old, right,
and nobody wants to be the guy that's like is
shitting on like streamers or like it's a new you know,
I don't want like I don't want to shit on
young people. But I'm like man, I really felt it
the other night, like I'm not gonna throw a fit,
I'm still gonna watch the game, saying the YouTube is
inherently an old man thing, and I called it the YouTube.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Yeah, it's so good. First of all, Chris is so good.
He's really really good. Second of all, every you know,
and all of us have had that kind of same
that I have no idea what they're talking about. It's honestly,
that experience is a little bit like what it's been
for me watching Uh, what's the the not the Oscars,
the what's the what's the music Awards? The big the Grammys.
(27:36):
That's just like to watch the Grammys for me. He
has ever watch the Grammy's, Like, I have no idea
who that is. Now look some of the headline acts,
of course, you know, but a lot of people are like, I.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Don't know, I don't know, I don't know.
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