September 10, 2025 • 38 mins
For this week's edition of The Midway, Doug and the crew talk about the NFL game presentation on YouTube. Doug reacts to something Jim Harbaugh said about Justin Herbert. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through The Press.
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explain what she's learned when she may not actually know
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what she thinks she's learned, but regardless, it is a Wednesday,
it is a hump day, it's the middle of the week.
It's the middle of the day. It's the middle of
our show as we have a one hour podcast after
the show, and that's what we call it the midway.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
It's not getting the middle with you. It's time for.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
The midway, Jay Stu. What's the midway?
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Doug, I'll take it from here. It is a Wednesday,
middle of the week, middle of the day. I threw
this out there. I got a response from exactly one
of you, so I'm guessing it's a got to go
for the midway today. Based on Chris Long's take on
the NFL game presentation on YouTube on Friday night, what
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do we think about the tactic being used by the
NFL and their rights holders to cater to a younger audience.
Chris Long is probably a millennial. I'm gen X. And
then there's a boomer reference in this SoundBite. It's some
great sound If you want for the uncensored portion, by
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the way, you could listen to the end of Bonus podcast.
It follows this broadcast search Doug Gottlieb Show on the
iHeart radio app. Chris Long on his podcast talked about
how stunningly out of touch he felt while watching Friday's
YouTube broadcast of the Chiefs and Chargers.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
I watched the YouTube broadcast of the game in South
Pallow and I felt immediately like somebody who is being
ushered to, like an early grave. Like it just felt like, hey,
like time to die, Boomer, Like you don't know who
destroying is? Time to die. You don't you don't want
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to see. You don't want to see. Mister Beast's like
giant pearly white smile as he squid games too, you
know NFL fans like through a goalpost, no problem, just
go to bed. You're you're old anyways. The whole thing
to me, it's jarring. And I understand like what old
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people feel like when programming changes, because like I just
don't get it. Then I'm old, right, and nobody wants
to be the guy that's like on like streamers or
like it's a new you know, I don't want like
I don't want to on young people. But I'm like, man,
I really felt it the other night, Like I'm not
gonna throw a fit. I'm still gonna watch the game,
saying the YouTube is inherently an old man thing.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
And I called it the YouTube, so I.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Think the key it's a great take, by the way.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
And the key thing that he said at the end
there was I'm still going to watch, yeah, which basically
plays into my uh zeropa theory. No matter what they
throw at us, no matter how they try to pretty
up this pig, We're still going to watch. And that's
all that they care about. I am put off on
a weekly basis by some of the tactics. On Monday Night,
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there was animation that showed Ben Johnson doing the twist
like Ferris Bueller did in Chicago. Ben Johnson, there was
at least sixty seconds of the Lions head coach and
animation doing the twist like Ferris Bueller did, and poor
Joe Buck had to read copy to go with it.
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And I was just thinking, who is entertained by this?
Who is not pissed off by this? But Chris Long's
examples are noted.
Speaker 6 (04:44):
I love that, Joe, but Buck kept calling it like
a cartoon. It was just like some graphic computer graphic.
He said, wait, did we play that cartoon?
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yet?
Speaker 7 (04:53):
We got the cartoon? We got the cartoon.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Okay, that seems to me a more like the ESPN
creative department, like trying to do their own thing. Yeah,
just like the Get Back music, which I know Sam
takes the heart as a technical producer, but you see
it a lot on the Sunday night broadcast as a
Seahawks fan. There's always some Pearl Jam or Sound Garden
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or Nirvana going to break and then somebody on Twitter
or X will say, great job by NBC bumping back
some alive there by Pearl Jam, and I feel like,
I don't know if it's an NFL directive or it's
a network sort of directive where that's who we need
to blame for this and them thinking of what we
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need to watch or what we want to watch.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
I don't think it's what we need to watch or
want to watch. I could be wrong. I've always been
under the assumption that the programming people who dictate what
these promos are whatever, it's especially for television, it's see, hey,
this is what's unique about our channel. It's like True
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TV when they get the NCAA tournament, right, what's the
what's the truckers one dan that they always do on
True TV? Though everybody makes fun of right ice road
truckers maybe, and then they also have the guys who
play the pranks in practical jokers, Right. So, I I
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don't know. To me what resonates is I That's how
I feel when I watch the Grammys sometimes, like I
don't know who any of these people are. Did I
just get to be seventy and then I realize I'm
actually a lot older than I kind of meant it.
You're to ask me like how old are you? Like
it starts with the two or three? Right, like now
it starts with the four, Like wow, really it does?
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So yeah, there's just there's this whole here's one other
part that it resonates with me. I think I've told
you guys this Ryan who we used to work together
at ESPN. He was like, you know, only one hundred
and fifty million people watch the super Bowl. He was like,
what do you mean? Only with three hundred and fifty
million people in the United States? Even if they miscount
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by fifty, that's one hundred and fifty other million people
who don't watch super Bowl? Like how is that? What
are they doing? And that's what this YouTube thing strikes
to me is like to me, I mean, I don't know,
I don't know any of those people, but kids do
watch YouTube a ton. There's a whole other world out
there that doesn't care about sports, and they're just using
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the fact that this audience is a different audience. So
even if they only get five percent of the NFL
audience to stay around and watch some of these you know,
YouTubers get involved in Mister Beast. I got pulled into
Mister Beast by my son. That was prew New New
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New Teeth, mister Best.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
It only gotlin.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
It was really yeah, it was. It was like a
subtle shot. Like the whole thing was like self deprecating
IPO old, But there was a couple of little shots
in there which were really really good. That was one
of them.
Speaker 6 (08:15):
Can I just go back to the Ferris Bueller's Day
Off computer graphic? I think that for like five ten
years now, Network Network's playing football games have been kind
of leaning into this. They're like kind of cheesy and
they look kind of b rate, you know, these they
lean into that because people talk about it how like
almost like how crappy they look, and then it's like funny,
so they have to do like yeah, here's Ferris Bueller
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dancing on a float and it looks like it's made
in like with a nineteen nineties computer.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
The only the only reason why like I say that
with the graphics department is because I think that the
NFL when they when they do the Nickelodeon games, they
have the SpongeBob games or whatever. I'm completely fine with that, yeah,
because I like it. It's on a different channel. There's
a whole different production of it, just like the Manning
cast is a whole different production from the actual game
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and what they're presenting. So networks have the opportunity to
present the game in different ways. I think the frustration
that we have is viewers or old guys, is that
why is this coming into my broadcast when you've shown
you've had the capability to put up different broadcasts and
different ways of doing things. At least that's how I
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feel about it. If you want to do all the
graphics stuff and try to grab a younger audience, put
it on a different channel. You've done that with other games,
why not do it on these.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
I feel like this with baseball all the time. Every
time I go to a baseball game, the in game
experiences catered to I don't know, teenagers and twenty somethings now,
and I just I sit there and I have to
prevent myself from getting like pissed off and ruining my
experience and the people I'm there with. Like so, I
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guess the NFL is they're taking account elation here to
bring younger people into the net. It's worth alienating the
gen X and boomer and the Chris Longs?
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Do you think you alienate them? Again? But that's the thing,
do you think you alienate them? Or are those people
still watching?
Speaker 3 (10:15):
No, they're always going to still watch. They put up
with it. But do you want it to be a
good experience? That was my first point. People are gonna
watch regardless, do you want to? Do you want your
audience to sit there like pissed off?
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Uh? No, no, But but.
Speaker 7 (10:35):
Or feeling very old like Chris Longs.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
I just also think that sometimes we overthink things and
we have to change the presentation for a younger crowd
like I. You know, sometimes even the younger crowd appreciates
the nostalgia of it. Sometimes they don't. So I don't know.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
It feels that when we were growing up, it was
this is what you're gonna get and you're gonna like it.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Yes, it's like that's what dinner was like at my house.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
That's what the TV was like, Like my parents are
watching the news. I don't get to put on whatever
I want.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah, now you can literally what I mean. And yeah,
you're right.
Speaker 6 (11:10):
I think that's a better way to live, honestly, because
like it's just too much like kids calling shots and
no offense to kids. But their kids they don't know
what they're talking about. They don't know what they're doing.
Their brains haven't developed yet. I get it you're trying
to bring in new viewers, but like.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
No, but there's also listen, that's a real discussion, Sam,
when you have kids, you'll have the I.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
Know, a path of least resistance, Like what can I
do just to make things just all good in the house?
Speaker 7 (11:32):
And it's kids what they want.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
But well there's like a hey, you know, there's there
there are two pat trains of thoughts, right, like this
is how we were raised by our parents. We turn
out okay, Like we're screwed up on some levels, but
everybody's screwed up in their own you know, in their
own way. But I've been able to function as human being.
How much do you give kids a choice? And if
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you're like, well, they I'm with you, Sam, where many
of these kids they don't even know what they're choosing.
I don't know why they're choosing so, but they You know,
some people think, hey, you gotta let them make these
mistakes for themselves, because if they don't make mistakes for
themselves when they're younger, and the choices they make, they
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won't learn that, they won't learn have that skillful when
they get older. Yeah, I'm not saying it's right. I'm
giving you the opposite perspective of it. And maybe Jay Stu,
that's that should be. The whole question is was it
better when baseball games they all had an organ? Right?
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Some game teams still have the organ, most of them
still have the organ. Anyway, it was very basic, you know.
The only person that would ever run in the field
was organic with those gigantic boobs or the San Diego chicken.
And I thought the San Diego chicken was funny. But somehow,
I don't know what happened to the San Diego chicken.
Then everyone and the Philly. The Philly was good too,
Philly was always funny too, but now everybody's got a choice.
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We try and make everything about the younger audience. And
I'm with you, with you, guys, I do feel like, Okay, Boomer,
get off my lawn. On the other hand, there is
something to this is what we do, this is our presentation,
this is how we play baseball, this is how we
cheer for baseball. We're gonna speed it up for you, right.
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But there is something too talking about like this. See
I remember when Socks mcguilla cuddy you would step up
to the plate and take out chew and you know,
point over to the guys he worked for at the
nightclub and get ahead.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
See I there is I have no problem with the
NFL trying to grab the audience at a younger at
a younger point. My son is four. I will look
for things at toy stores that are NFL kid related.
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He he doesn't understand football cards right now, but if
you give him a figurine like we found this Josh
Allen figurine at the dollar store. Guess what he now knows,
Josh Allen Like those are those are ways that I'm
introducing him to football. I told you, guys, he was
learning animals, so I was trying to teach him the
NFL teams, so he knew NFL teams by the animals
that they were, and it was it was great to
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do that. It's that is an easy way to do it,
away from the broadcast and away from those times. I think,
Jason and correct me if I'm wrong. It's just saying,
why does it always have to be on our time
that we're doing this, or does it have to be
on the Sunday night game, like if you have, you know,
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a window like the one o'clock Eastern time games. I
don't think you're doing that for every single broadcast. I
think it's just the Sunday night game and the Monday
night game and maybe the Thursday night game having different
stuff like that, and those are the standalone games. But
I don't know if Jaguars Panthers is having those same
sort of graphics for their contests. So if you're putting
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that much effort into it, just figure out a different
avenue to present it. Most of the networks have opportunities
put it on Peacock. Right, put the NBC game, say hey,
alternative broadcast on Peacock. They've done it before. I don't
know why they can't do that again.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Yeah, And I think what I want to say what
Chris Long's main message is, and you guys correct me
if I'm wrong. I just want to watch the game,
like I don't. I don't need all this stuff. And
the more you add, the more the older I feel
and out of touch I feel. Do I want to
feel those things while I'm watching something I enjoy like?
And Chris Long's point is, like, the live sport should
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be enough entertainment when I go to a baseball game.
The actual live sport is what I'm paying to see.
I'm not paying to play the cap game during between
innings and get my ears blown out by rap music
in between innings or country music or whatever selection offends
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you less. And that's the thing. Like, so the live
sporting event is not enough? Is that what the programmers
are telling us?
Speaker 1 (16:18):
I don't know, man, We had an NBA, you know,
in gay music for years, So I didn't take it
that bar that he just wants to watch the game.
It was the I thought it was the I feel
old because I don't know who these people are, well,
not just another.
Speaker 7 (16:32):
Real time YouTube sponsor. Their name was all over.
Speaker 6 (16:34):
The game in Brazil was sponsored by them, so they're like, hey,
we have some demands. You're gonna pan up to the
press box where Roger Goodell is sitting next to influencer
content creator Marlin M A R l O N Marlin.
Who I At the moment, I said, I am not
going to google this guy's name. And then when this
topic came up again today when Jason proposed it, I
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looked up Marlin.
Speaker 7 (16:58):
I felt dirty.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Who's Marlin?
Speaker 6 (17:00):
Marlin is like a Swedish TikTok influencer content creator as
you know, a million and a half followers.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
Completely, I had no idea who Marlin was. Now I
know who Marlin is thanks to the YouTube game in Brazil.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
Do you guys think there's a fine line, like can
there be a line that the NFL could just not cross?
Like that to me is so obvious, like why would
why would Roger Goodell be with Marlin? Right? Like that
just is It's absurd. The visual graphic of the Ferris
Bueler thing, I think, in a way tried to maybe
pull all aspects in Hey, it's the the gen xers
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who remember the movie, but the young people are gonna
love the graphic of this. Yes, Like I think that
there is a there is a fine line to doing
to having it. I don't know if it's if the
answer is having YouTube sensations and personalities sitting next to
the NFL commissioner, who you know is obviously not you know,
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doesn't know who that person is. So that's like we're
not that stupid, I guess, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Like there's the whole, the whole societal shift to even
posting pictures, you know, like I got done with a
workout class on what day was that Sunday, and there's
like four women in there, and they're taking various selfie pictures,
you know, clearly trying to show off there butt like
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this is what we do now, you know. Or you
sit at a nice restaurant and people take out their
camera and take a shot of their dinner and then
post it, you know, like that's that's normal now. These
influencers are huge, huge names, and I actually think we
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may be looking at this the wrong way. Guys. There's
a world there where we say, like mister Beast, mister
Beast is more well known and more popular maybe than
any NFL player I'd love to see the numbers write
how it actually reach, just like what's his Q rating?
They still have a qating. So there is something to
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the NFL getting their own popularity kind of being knighted
by some of these people. I know it seems really
hard to believe because we've grown up thinking that the
biggest NFL's the biggest sports stars are bigger than any
other stars. But again that's not actually how it works.
Speaker 7 (19:21):
No, you're right, you're right.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
We are the old men yelling at the cloud being like, yes,
we don't know who these people are, therefore they're not
They're irrelevant, unimportant. These people like Marlin, who, by the way,
Swedish basketball player moved the US. He's a TikTok guy influencer,
so he does have a bit of a sports background.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
There, there's a way to do it, and I'm gonna
use ESPN as an example. College Game Day. College game
Day has gone on for so long and they figured
out a way. Guest picker right to bring in and
somebody tied, and sometimes it'll be a game that this
isn't every every week. They're random weeks where sometimes it
happens you're like, wait, why is that person coming to
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college game day, but still the arc of college game
day engulfs that person, so it still feels like an
organic sort of thing. There are times where it just
feels that the NFL is bending over backwards. I remember
when the Lions were kind of making a push to
be popular and Ninja, the video game guy that's super popular,
probably like mister Beast and that thing, Like they're showing
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him on the sideline, so they're like, Ninja joins us
in the pregame and that's just that is so weird.
But yet something like college game Day can be like hey,
country artists, so and so, who's from Tennessee joins us
on set to make game day picks, Like there's there's
a way to do it and to make it organic.
And I I think it's like the creative people know
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how to do it, and not everybody is able to
do that.
Speaker 7 (20:45):
Yes, I love this party by Chris Long here. I
just this is just play this real quick.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Like you don't know who Destroying is.
Speaker 7 (20:55):
I don't I don't know who Destroying is.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
I know now, but they're doing Listen, they're doing this
like on Saturday and Live you had a bunch of
cast members leave and they're not just finding new cast
members now on at the second City in the ground links.
Those are in person shows you have to go to.
They're finding them on TikTok YouTube. They're finding them on
you know, people do online stuff and they're like, you're
just as valid as a potential cast member as someone
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who went through the conventional route of going through you know,
comedic theater acts in Chicago and LA and New York.
It's just like the web, the online these you know,
they have millions of followers. I guess it would it
would be stupid not to include them, even though we
don't like it because we're not of that generation.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Yeah. I had this discussion my late father. He used
to when Cowherd used to do Sports Station, and that
was I was like the number one, like either fill
in or if they needed a guest or whatever. I'd
be on Sports Station with him and Michelle Beatle, and
my dad would always go like, yeah, I don't like
those videos. I was like, well, I'm going to tell
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you this, but it's a clip show. He's like, no,
it's a show with you know Michelle. She's funny and
she's got it, gets a good line, and then and
then it'spot Collin's opinion. It's like, no, no, it's actually
a clip show. It's not for you. You're not supposed
to get it. Because I was telling him, you know,
at the time, it's for a younger generation, and so
I guess that's we have to kind of realize it's
not for us, and yeah, we are still going to watch,
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but it's it's no different than the super Bowl. Guys,
super Bowl show is not supposed to be for us.
We're gonna watch super Bowl regardless, okay, regardless the two
worst teams the NFL, We're gonna watch. It's the super Bowl.
That's what we do. We're gonna bet on it, we're
gonna argue about it, whatever. But the non traditional mainstream
sports fans will only watch if there's a reason to
do so and a chance to see what's the guys.
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I think I've destroyed Lonely because that's one of my
son's favorite rappers, and he has rappers like I've known.
I've been, I've known rap forever. I have no idea
about opium and who these guys are that he wants
to go see. November twenty first, in Fort Worth, anyway.
That By the way, I don't know who destroying is.
I don't know who destroying is. I do not Let's oh,
Danni's breaking news.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Go ahead, Dan, breaking news from Fox Sports Doug within
the last twenty minutes, forty nine ers said. Coach Kyle
Shanahan said that quarterback Brock Purty is a long shot
to play against the Saints in Week two on Sunday
because of toe and shoulder injuries. Mac Jones would be
in line to start. Purdy is not going to practice today.
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But again, Kyle Shanahan saying Purty a long shot to
play in week two.
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Dan Byer had breaking news where Kyle Shanahan has said
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it's a long shot, long shot clean that upen ed
it long shot that uh brock Purty will play this
weekend for the Niners. So mac Jones is the backup.
And I don't have a perfect memory, but have a
really good memory, and my really good memory tells me
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the story was when the Niners traded up for Trey
Lance because they've got Trey Lance and brock Purty same draft. Right,
that he wanted mac Jones, but either he soured on
him the last second, but more likely that John Lynch,
the GM and others said no, Trey Lance is the
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better prospect. Is that I remember it as well, Dan.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
Yes, I remember Chris Sims coming out with the mac
Jones thing and we're like, what, like that was early on?
But yes, that's all right.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
And then for people to don't understand again, I know
many of you are like we know, but some don't.
Chris Simms and Kyle Shanahan were college roommates at Texas, right,
so they are obviously really really close friends and Shanahan
was a wide receiver and he was a quarterback obviously,
so that when he comes out and says, hey, I
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know Kyle Shanahan wants Mac Jones were assuming that he's
a what do they call those in what do you
call that in politics? When you're basically like a spokesman
for somebody else, but you're a surrogate, that's agate. So
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I don't think it's fake, but it is. It definitely
is how Jim Harbaugh is with his praise of Justin Herbert.
Remember in the offseason, he said he woke up from
a dream and that dream made him conclude he had
to get Justin Herbert to the Hall of Fame. Here's
the Charger's head coach talking about his quarterback who came
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off an outstanding performance in South Hollow.
Speaker 8 (26:22):
And a huge hit on Justin the kind of hit
that would have killed a lesser man. That's how big
that hit was. Let's be honest about that. And then
our guy Justin Herbert gets right back in the huddle
and it's third and fourteen. It's it's Quinton Johnson, which
ended up being a half yard short of the first
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down that allowed for that fourth down. You know, I've
been telling people Justin's great, just unbelievable, incredible. The kind
of player that he is, that's especially hard. I think
most quarterbacks, most human beings. I mean, you take that
kind of big hit to come back the next play
and just stand in there and you know, look down
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the barrel of the gun and hit another one. You know,
it's pretty impressive.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
No, he's He's an absolute stud and it's fascinating. Last
year in the playoffs, Justin Herbert didn't play well, and
I felt like I was a lone voice of reasoning
saying they wouldn't have been in the playoffs without Justin Herbert.
And yeah, he didn't play well. Their offensive line was
awful in the playoffs. But I think part of it
(27:31):
is that Harbaugh is so effuse continually in his praise
that people don't maybe know how to take it all.
Credit Jation Stewart for bringing this one up. Okay, I
want you just listen objectively to Micah Parsons. This is
how Michael Parsons end up playing on Sunday against the
Detroit Lions.
Speaker 9 (27:49):
I told him, you know the other day, when they
were talking to me about the Snapcown was like I mean,
we could run gassers. We can be in practice and
you give me these plays. We could run to the ball.
But I was like, at the end of the day, like,
you gotta let me push through something. You gotta let me,
like you know, get tired and get war out out
there so that way I can become better and get
better from it. And you know, that's when I was like, Okay,
your reps can go up, like you gotta really like,
(28:09):
sometimes you gotta fight for your own right to play.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Sometimes you gotta fight for your right to play. This
goes counter to the hey can't do anything in Dallas, right,
can't do anything in Dallas. It also goes, you know,
counter to trying to this is you're trying to protect
players from themselves because most of them, the good ones,
they're always gonna want to play. Oh and they'll always
find a way to talk you into want to play.
(28:37):
I don't think it looks like do I think it
looks good for Michael Parsons. I don't. I don't think
faking a back injury, or faking the severity of a
back injury that that does seem to tempt fate and
tempt karma. It has happened, and for whatever reason in
the NFL people allow it to continue to happen. But
the idea that he he can talk his way into playing,
(29:01):
but a coach can't talk him into playing when he's
hurt is part of where we've gone societal wise, where
we've gone sportswise, whether it was real or imagined. You
go back thirty forty years ago and the coach would determine, Hey,
you want to stay here, you got to go play.
And some people feel like coaches force them to play,
(29:22):
force them to take painkillers, force them to get back
out there. Now as the pendulum swings, if a player
says he's hurt, there's nothing you can do as a
coach zero unless you want to get sued. If you
want to get sued, that means you want to lose
your job. But a player doesn't matter what the determination is.
He can talk his way into playing. That's an imbalanced system,
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in with Brock Party very unlikely to play this weekend
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Speaker 5 (31:16):
Doug the news within the last hour that Kyle Shanahan
had got to the San Francisco forty nine Ers says
that it's a long shot for Brock Party to play
in Week two against the Saints. In fact, Shanahan said
that Party could miss multiple games because of the shoulder
and toe injuries suffered against the Seahawks.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
So he's got he's just banged up. There's no like
one real problem.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
As Iowa, Sam, you put it in this way, Ioa Sam.
Speaker 6 (31:47):
He shoulders, heeds in toes, he's in toes uh.
Speaker 7 (31:53):
Sho toes, left shoulder, non throwing shoulder.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
But all right, I mean great for mac Jones, are
they good? Like, how would we characterize the Niners.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
Well, they've got the easiest schedule based on strength of
schedule to enter the season, and you go and get
a win against one of the better teams on your
schedule in week one. So whether they're good or not,
I think they're going to be in position. I think
that they're a good football team. I wouldn't say great.
I just don't know how that style is going to
hold up through seventeen games. As we talked about yesterday.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Yep, so as we experienced prediction TV prediction Radio for
the ten days prior to the start of the season. Yeah,
I was given a lot of crap on this platform
and on Twitter for naysaying prediction radio. And the basis
(32:51):
four why I think predictions are silly is this very
scenario when those lazy radio sidements were choosing the over
unders on the forty nine Ers and they got to
the Saints in Week two and they just said.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
That's a win.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
That's a win. Yep.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
How about we didn't factor that party would be missing
their tight end would be missing it. The calculation changes
every dy. It's not a league worth predicting.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Yeah, I mean, you just can't. I don't. I don't
know if I would use the word worth, but you
just it's it's virtually impossible predict the league where injuries
have such an incredible effect on the league. And and
here's the difference. Injuries have a huge effect on basketball.
They're just much more likely in football.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
There's also a little something more at stake with the
forty nine Ers here because the schedule wise, which was
pointed out when they place George Kittle on IR, meaning
that he's going to miss the team's next four games.
Their fourth game in this upcoming stretch is a Thursday
night game. Their buy doesn't come until later on of
the season. I think it's like the first week in December,
to be honest with you. So they've got a long
(34:04):
way to go for their bye. But the thought process
with Kittle is because you have this short amount of
time where you play all these games, that it's probably
best to just put them on IR because you're probably
not going to play them the week of that short
week against the Rams. So you had to have the
Saints then home against the Cardinals and Jaguars at LA
(34:25):
on a Thursday night. Then you have a bit of
a break before facing Tampa that following week, just because
of the Thursday night contest against the Rams. I don't
know if the forty nine ers will follow that same
pattern with brock Purty. Obviously, different injuries and different when
it comes to quarterbacks. By the way, a topic that
we didn't discuss, and I think that we need to
hear off of what happened in Ames on Saturday. There
(34:47):
was video circulating of Tyre's Halliburton Iowa State product at
the game, and the Iowa cheerleaders requested to take a
picture with Halliburton the entire cheer squad. Of course, Halliburton said, sure,
but how do we feel about this? Halliburton and the
(35:08):
Iowa cheerleaders taking pictures with each other on the sidelines
in a rivalry game.
Speaker 7 (35:14):
Sure, that's actually the first time I'm hearing about this.
I really can't say, video and everything, can't say I
love it.
Speaker 6 (35:22):
But he became he kind of transcended, you know, sports,
like people don't. People don't think about Tyers Haliburton as
a cyclone. They think about him as a pacer, but
he reps the cyclones.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
Yeah, he was wearing his Iowa state sweatshirt.
Speaker 7 (35:36):
Yeah, I don't know. He's a pretty likable guy, So
I don't like it.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
But transcended the sports. I think he.
Speaker 7 (35:43):
Transcended the NBA Finals.
Speaker 6 (35:45):
I think he transcended with his his clutch shot after
shot after clutch shot.
Speaker 5 (35:49):
I think he was he was a big deal. I'll
say this three hundred and sixty four days out of
the year. It's probably fine that day of that game.
If you saw him at the Des Moines Mall, Sutter
Rapids Mall.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Yeah, Also, you're in Iowa Hawkeye uniform in front of
Iowa State bands.
Speaker 7 (36:10):
Like if I saw Tyre's Halliburton at a mall, I'd
be like, yo, what up?
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Man?
Speaker 7 (36:14):
Like, I'd be like positive with.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
He might probably be at the Appleton Mall. He's from Oshkosh.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
There you go.
Speaker 7 (36:20):
Oh, I'm not gonna give him a hard time. I
respect him.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
Outlets go the Outlets and osh Vegas. The NBA Commissioner,
Adam Silver says there's no news regarding expansion, despite the
topic being discussed at the NBA's Board of Governors meeting.
This is what he had to say on the Clippers investigation.
Speaker 10 (36:39):
The burden is on the league if we're gonna discipline
a team, an owner, a player, or you know, any
of the constituent members of the league. I think, as
a matter of fundamental fairness, I would be reluctant to
act if there was sort of a mere appearance of impropriety.
I think that the goal of a full investigation is
(37:00):
to find if there really was impropriety. The public at
times reaches conclusions that later turn out to be completely false,
and so I do would want anybody else in situation.
Mister Bomber is in now or Kawhi Leonard for that matter,
to be treated the same way I would want to
be treated if people were making allegations against me.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
I think it's completely fair, and that's part of where
I am with Pablo Torre. Don't get me wrong. Pablo
is a brilliant guy, and this is the second investigation
he's brought up, which are really interesting, but it's the
second one where you're like, I kind of feel like
these questions have been asked and answered, so I don't know.
Speaker 5 (37:44):
Finally, dug three players that played together at Fresno State
banned forever by the NCAA after they were found to
try to manipulate their stats in a gambling scheme.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Which three players.
Speaker 5 (37:55):
MIKEL Robinson, Stephen Vasquez who's now at San Jose State,
in Jalen Weaver, he was under him.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
There was one more who I was actually recruiting, and
then some off the court stuff. I bailed on recruiting
and went to Fresno State. I'm thankful he's down in
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talk about the Colt's new owner walking around with a
headset on and then using kind of football speak to
explain what she's learned when she may not actually know
(01:11):
what she thinks she's learned, but regardless, it is a Wednesday,
it is a hump day, it's the middle of the week.
It's the middle of the day. It's the middle of
our show as we have a one hour podcast after
the show, and that's what we call it the midway.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
It's not getting the middle with you. It's time for.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
The midway, Jay Stu. What's the midway?
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Doug, I'll take it from here. It is a Wednesday,
middle of the week, middle of the day. I threw
this out there. I got a response from exactly one
of you, so I'm guessing it's a got to go
for the midway today. Based on Chris Long's take on
the NFL game presentation on YouTube on Friday night, what
(01:58):
do we think about the tactic being used by the
NFL and their rights holders to cater to a younger audience.
Chris Long is probably a millennial. I'm gen X. And
then there's a boomer reference in this SoundBite. It's some
great sound If you want for the uncensored portion, by
(02:20):
the way, you could listen to the end of Bonus podcast.
It follows this broadcast search Doug Gottlieb Show on the
iHeart radio app. Chris Long on his podcast talked about
how stunningly out of touch he felt while watching Friday's
YouTube broadcast of the Chiefs and Chargers.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
I watched the YouTube broadcast of the game in South
Pallow and I felt immediately like somebody who is being
ushered to, like an early grave. Like it just felt like, hey,
like time to die, Boomer, Like you don't know who
destroying is? Time to die. You don't you don't want
(03:02):
to see. You don't want to see. Mister Beast's like
giant pearly white smile as he squid games too, you
know NFL fans like through a goalpost, no problem, just
go to bed. You're you're old anyways. The whole thing
to me, it's jarring. And I understand like what old
(03:23):
people feel like when programming changes, because like I just
don't get it. Then I'm old, right, and nobody wants
to be the guy that's like on like streamers or
like it's a new you know, I don't want like
I don't want to on young people. But I'm like, man,
I really felt it the other night, Like I'm not
gonna throw a fit. I'm still gonna watch the game,
saying the YouTube is inherently an old man thing.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
And I called it the YouTube, so I.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Think the key it's a great take, by the way.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
And the key thing that he said at the end
there was I'm still going to watch, yeah, which basically
plays into my uh zeropa theory. No matter what they
throw at us, no matter how they try to pretty
up this pig, We're still going to watch. And that's
all that they care about. I am put off on
a weekly basis by some of the tactics. On Monday Night,
(04:11):
there was animation that showed Ben Johnson doing the twist
like Ferris Bueller did in Chicago. Ben Johnson, there was
at least sixty seconds of the Lions head coach and
animation doing the twist like Ferris Bueller did, and poor
Joe Buck had to read copy to go with it.
(04:32):
And I was just thinking, who is entertained by this?
Who is not pissed off by this? But Chris Long's
examples are noted.
Speaker 6 (04:44):
I love that, Joe, but Buck kept calling it like
a cartoon. It was just like some graphic computer graphic.
He said, wait, did we play that cartoon?
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yet?
Speaker 7 (04:53):
We got the cartoon? We got the cartoon.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Okay, that seems to me a more like the ESPN
creative department, like trying to do their own thing. Yeah,
just like the Get Back music, which I know Sam
takes the heart as a technical producer, but you see
it a lot on the Sunday night broadcast as a
Seahawks fan. There's always some Pearl Jam or Sound Garden
(05:16):
or Nirvana going to break and then somebody on Twitter
or X will say, great job by NBC bumping back
some alive there by Pearl Jam, and I feel like,
I don't know if it's an NFL directive or it's
a network sort of directive where that's who we need
to blame for this and them thinking of what we
(05:38):
need to watch or what we want to watch.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
I don't think it's what we need to watch or
want to watch. I could be wrong. I've always been
under the assumption that the programming people who dictate what
these promos are whatever, it's especially for television, it's see, hey,
this is what's unique about our channel. It's like True
(06:05):
TV when they get the NCAA tournament, right, what's the
what's the truckers one dan that they always do on
True TV? Though everybody makes fun of right ice road
truckers maybe, and then they also have the guys who
play the pranks in practical jokers, Right. So, I I
(06:26):
don't know. To me what resonates is I That's how
I feel when I watch the Grammys sometimes, like I
don't know who any of these people are. Did I
just get to be seventy and then I realize I'm
actually a lot older than I kind of meant it.
You're to ask me like how old are you? Like
it starts with the two or three? Right, like now
it starts with the four, Like wow, really it does?
(06:50):
So yeah, there's just there's this whole here's one other
part that it resonates with me. I think I've told
you guys this Ryan who we used to work together
at ESPN. He was like, you know, only one hundred
and fifty million people watch the super Bowl. He was like,
what do you mean? Only with three hundred and fifty
million people in the United States? Even if they miscount
(07:11):
by fifty, that's one hundred and fifty other million people
who don't watch super Bowl? Like how is that? What
are they doing? And that's what this YouTube thing strikes
to me is like to me, I mean, I don't know,
I don't know any of those people, but kids do
watch YouTube a ton. There's a whole other world out
there that doesn't care about sports, and they're just using
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the fact that this audience is a different audience. So
even if they only get five percent of the NFL
audience to stay around and watch some of these you know,
YouTubers get involved in Mister Beast. I got pulled into
Mister Beast by my son. That was prew New New
(08:00):
New Teeth, mister Best.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
It only gotlin.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
It was really yeah, it was. It was like a
subtle shot. Like the whole thing was like self deprecating
IPO old, But there was a couple of little shots
in there which were really really good. That was one
of them.
Speaker 6 (08:15):
Can I just go back to the Ferris Bueller's Day
Off computer graphic? I think that for like five ten
years now, Network Network's playing football games have been kind
of leaning into this. They're like kind of cheesy and
they look kind of b rate, you know, these they
lean into that because people talk about it how like
almost like how crappy they look, and then it's like funny,
so they have to do like yeah, here's Ferris Bueller
(08:37):
dancing on a float and it looks like it's made
in like with a nineteen nineties computer.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
The only the only reason why like I say that
with the graphics department is because I think that the
NFL when they when they do the Nickelodeon games, they
have the SpongeBob games or whatever. I'm completely fine with that, yeah,
because I like it. It's on a different channel. There's
a whole different production of it, just like the Manning
cast is a whole different production from the actual game
(09:04):
and what they're presenting. So networks have the opportunity to
present the game in different ways. I think the frustration
that we have is viewers or old guys, is that
why is this coming into my broadcast when you've shown
you've had the capability to put up different broadcasts and
different ways of doing things. At least that's how I
(09:25):
feel about it. If you want to do all the
graphics stuff and try to grab a younger audience, put
it on a different channel. You've done that with other games,
why not do it on these.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
I feel like this with baseball all the time. Every
time I go to a baseball game, the in game
experiences catered to I don't know, teenagers and twenty somethings now,
and I just I sit there and I have to
prevent myself from getting like pissed off and ruining my
experience and the people I'm there with. Like so, I
(09:57):
guess the NFL is they're taking account elation here to
bring younger people into the net. It's worth alienating the
gen X and boomer and the Chris Longs?
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Do you think you alienate them? Again? But that's the thing,
do you think you alienate them? Or are those people
still watching?
Speaker 3 (10:15):
No, they're always going to still watch. They put up
with it. But do you want it to be a
good experience? That was my first point. People are gonna
watch regardless, do you want to? Do you want your
audience to sit there like pissed off?
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Uh? No, no, But but.
Speaker 7 (10:35):
Or feeling very old like Chris Longs.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
I just also think that sometimes we overthink things and
we have to change the presentation for a younger crowd
like I. You know, sometimes even the younger crowd appreciates
the nostalgia of it. Sometimes they don't. So I don't know.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
It feels that when we were growing up, it was
this is what you're gonna get and you're gonna like it.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Yes, it's like that's what dinner was like at my house.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
That's what the TV was like, Like my parents are
watching the news. I don't get to put on whatever
I want.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah, now you can literally what I mean. And yeah,
you're right.
Speaker 6 (11:10):
I think that's a better way to live, honestly, because
like it's just too much like kids calling shots and
no offense to kids. But their kids they don't know
what they're talking about. They don't know what they're doing.
Their brains haven't developed yet. I get it you're trying
to bring in new viewers, but like.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
No, but there's also listen, that's a real discussion, Sam,
when you have kids, you'll have the I.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
Know, a path of least resistance, Like what can I
do just to make things just all good in the house?
Speaker 7 (11:32):
And it's kids what they want.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
But well there's like a hey, you know, there's there
there are two pat trains of thoughts, right, like this
is how we were raised by our parents. We turn
out okay, Like we're screwed up on some levels, but
everybody's screwed up in their own you know, in their
own way. But I've been able to function as human being.
How much do you give kids a choice? And if
(11:54):
you're like, well, they I'm with you, Sam, where many
of these kids they don't even know what they're choosing.
I don't know why they're choosing so, but they You know,
some people think, hey, you gotta let them make these
mistakes for themselves, because if they don't make mistakes for
themselves when they're younger, and the choices they make, they
(12:16):
won't learn that, they won't learn have that skillful when
they get older. Yeah, I'm not saying it's right. I'm
giving you the opposite perspective of it. And maybe Jay Stu,
that's that should be. The whole question is was it
better when baseball games they all had an organ? Right?
(12:37):
Some game teams still have the organ, most of them
still have the organ. Anyway, it was very basic, you know.
The only person that would ever run in the field
was organic with those gigantic boobs or the San Diego chicken.
And I thought the San Diego chicken was funny. But somehow,
I don't know what happened to the San Diego chicken.
Then everyone and the Philly. The Philly was good too,
Philly was always funny too, but now everybody's got a choice.
(13:01):
We try and make everything about the younger audience. And
I'm with you, with you, guys, I do feel like, Okay, Boomer,
get off my lawn. On the other hand, there is
something to this is what we do, this is our presentation,
this is how we play baseball, this is how we
cheer for baseball. We're gonna speed it up for you, right.
(13:23):
But there is something too talking about like this. See
I remember when Socks mcguilla cuddy you would step up
to the plate and take out chew and you know,
point over to the guys he worked for at the
nightclub and get ahead.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
See I there is I have no problem with the
NFL trying to grab the audience at a younger at
a younger point. My son is four. I will look
for things at toy stores that are NFL kid related.
(14:00):
He he doesn't understand football cards right now, but if
you give him a figurine like we found this Josh
Allen figurine at the dollar store. Guess what he now knows,
Josh Allen Like those are those are ways that I'm
introducing him to football. I told you, guys, he was
learning animals, so I was trying to teach him the
NFL teams, so he knew NFL teams by the animals
that they were, and it was it was great to
(14:22):
do that. It's that is an easy way to do it,
away from the broadcast and away from those times. I think,
Jason and correct me if I'm wrong. It's just saying,
why does it always have to be on our time
that we're doing this, or does it have to be
on the Sunday night game, like if you have, you know,
(14:44):
a window like the one o'clock Eastern time games. I
don't think you're doing that for every single broadcast. I
think it's just the Sunday night game and the Monday
night game and maybe the Thursday night game having different
stuff like that, and those are the standalone games. But
I don't know if Jaguars Panthers is having those same
sort of graphics for their contests. So if you're putting
(15:06):
that much effort into it, just figure out a different
avenue to present it. Most of the networks have opportunities
put it on Peacock. Right, put the NBC game, say hey,
alternative broadcast on Peacock. They've done it before. I don't
know why they can't do that again.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Yeah, And I think what I want to say what
Chris Long's main message is, and you guys correct me
if I'm wrong. I just want to watch the game,
like I don't. I don't need all this stuff. And
the more you add, the more the older I feel
and out of touch I feel. Do I want to
feel those things while I'm watching something I enjoy like?
And Chris Long's point is, like, the live sport should
(15:47):
be enough entertainment when I go to a baseball game.
The actual live sport is what I'm paying to see.
I'm not paying to play the cap game during between
innings and get my ears blown out by rap music
in between innings or country music or whatever selection offends
(16:07):
you less. And that's the thing. Like, so the live
sporting event is not enough? Is that what the programmers
are telling us?
Speaker 1 (16:18):
I don't know, man, We had an NBA, you know,
in gay music for years, So I didn't take it
that bar that he just wants to watch the game.
It was the I thought it was the I feel
old because I don't know who these people are, well,
not just another.
Speaker 7 (16:32):
Real time YouTube sponsor. Their name was all over.
Speaker 6 (16:34):
The game in Brazil was sponsored by them, so they're like, hey,
we have some demands. You're gonna pan up to the
press box where Roger Goodell is sitting next to influencer
content creator Marlin M A R l O N Marlin.
Who I At the moment, I said, I am not
going to google this guy's name. And then when this
topic came up again today when Jason proposed it, I
(16:56):
looked up Marlin.
Speaker 7 (16:58):
I felt dirty.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Who's Marlin?
Speaker 6 (17:00):
Marlin is like a Swedish TikTok influencer content creator as
you know, a million and a half followers.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
Completely, I had no idea who Marlin was. Now I
know who Marlin is thanks to the YouTube game in Brazil.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
Do you guys think there's a fine line, like can
there be a line that the NFL could just not cross?
Like that to me is so obvious, like why would
why would Roger Goodell be with Marlin? Right? Like that
just is It's absurd. The visual graphic of the Ferris
Bueler thing, I think, in a way tried to maybe
pull all aspects in Hey, it's the the gen xers
(17:35):
who remember the movie, but the young people are gonna
love the graphic of this. Yes, Like I think that
there is a there is a fine line to doing
to having it. I don't know if it's if the
answer is having YouTube sensations and personalities sitting next to
the NFL commissioner, who you know is obviously not you know,
(17:56):
doesn't know who that person is. So that's like we're
not that stupid, I guess, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Like there's the whole, the whole societal shift to even
posting pictures, you know, like I got done with a
workout class on what day was that Sunday, and there's
like four women in there, and they're taking various selfie pictures,
you know, clearly trying to show off there butt like
(18:23):
this is what we do now, you know. Or you
sit at a nice restaurant and people take out their
camera and take a shot of their dinner and then
post it, you know, like that's that's normal now. These
influencers are huge, huge names, and I actually think we
(18:45):
may be looking at this the wrong way. Guys. There's
a world there where we say, like mister Beast, mister
Beast is more well known and more popular maybe than
any NFL player I'd love to see the numbers write
how it actually reach, just like what's his Q rating?
They still have a qating. So there is something to
(19:05):
the NFL getting their own popularity kind of being knighted
by some of these people. I know it seems really
hard to believe because we've grown up thinking that the
biggest NFL's the biggest sports stars are bigger than any
other stars. But again that's not actually how it works.
Speaker 7 (19:21):
No, you're right, you're right.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
We are the old men yelling at the cloud being like, yes,
we don't know who these people are, therefore they're not
They're irrelevant, unimportant. These people like Marlin, who, by the way,
Swedish basketball player moved the US. He's a TikTok guy influencer,
so he does have a bit of a sports background.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
There, there's a way to do it, and I'm gonna
use ESPN as an example. College Game Day. College game
Day has gone on for so long and they figured
out a way. Guest picker right to bring in and
somebody tied, and sometimes it'll be a game that this
isn't every every week. They're random weeks where sometimes it
happens you're like, wait, why is that person coming to
(19:58):
college game day, but still the arc of college game
day engulfs that person, so it still feels like an
organic sort of thing. There are times where it just
feels that the NFL is bending over backwards. I remember
when the Lions were kind of making a push to
be popular and Ninja, the video game guy that's super popular,
probably like mister Beast and that thing, Like they're showing
(20:20):
him on the sideline, so they're like, Ninja joins us
in the pregame and that's just that is so weird.
But yet something like college game Day can be like hey,
country artists, so and so, who's from Tennessee joins us
on set to make game day picks, Like there's there's
a way to do it and to make it organic.
And I I think it's like the creative people know
(20:42):
how to do it, and not everybody is able to
do that.
Speaker 7 (20:45):
Yes, I love this party by Chris Long here. I
just this is just play this real quick.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Like you don't know who Destroying is.
Speaker 7 (20:55):
I don't I don't know who Destroying is.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
I know now, but they're doing Listen, they're doing this
like on Saturday and Live you had a bunch of
cast members leave and they're not just finding new cast
members now on at the second City in the ground links.
Those are in person shows you have to go to.
They're finding them on TikTok YouTube. They're finding them on
you know, people do online stuff and they're like, you're
just as valid as a potential cast member as someone
(21:19):
who went through the conventional route of going through you know,
comedic theater acts in Chicago and LA and New York.
It's just like the web, the online these you know,
they have millions of followers. I guess it would it
would be stupid not to include them, even though we
don't like it because we're not of that generation.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Yeah. I had this discussion my late father. He used
to when Cowherd used to do Sports Station, and that
was I was like the number one, like either fill
in or if they needed a guest or whatever. I'd
be on Sports Station with him and Michelle Beatle, and
my dad would always go like, yeah, I don't like
those videos. I was like, well, I'm going to tell
(21:57):
you this, but it's a clip show. He's like, no,
it's a show with you know Michelle. She's funny and
she's got it, gets a good line, and then and
then it'spot Collin's opinion. It's like, no, no, it's actually
a clip show. It's not for you. You're not supposed
to get it. Because I was telling him, you know,
at the time, it's for a younger generation, and so
I guess that's we have to kind of realize it's
not for us, and yeah, we are still going to watch,
(22:20):
but it's it's no different than the super Bowl. Guys,
super Bowl show is not supposed to be for us.
We're gonna watch super Bowl regardless, okay, regardless the two
worst teams the NFL, We're gonna watch. It's the super Bowl.
That's what we do. We're gonna bet on it, we're
gonna argue about it, whatever. But the non traditional mainstream
sports fans will only watch if there's a reason to
do so and a chance to see what's the guys.
(22:45):
I think I've destroyed Lonely because that's one of my
son's favorite rappers, and he has rappers like I've known.
I've been, I've known rap forever. I have no idea
about opium and who these guys are that he wants
to go see. November twenty first, in Fort Worth, anyway.
That By the way, I don't know who destroying is.
I don't know who destroying is. I do not Let's oh,
Danni's breaking news.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Go ahead, Dan, breaking news from Fox Sports Doug within
the last twenty minutes, forty nine ers said. Coach Kyle
Shanahan said that quarterback Brock Purty is a long shot
to play against the Saints in Week two on Sunday
because of toe and shoulder injuries. Mac Jones would be
in line to start. Purdy is not going to practice today.
(23:27):
But again, Kyle Shanahan saying Purty a long shot to
play in week two.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
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Dan Byer had breaking news where Kyle Shanahan has said
(24:15):
it's a long shot, long shot clean that upen ed
it long shot that uh brock Purty will play this
weekend for the Niners. So mac Jones is the backup.
And I don't have a perfect memory, but have a
really good memory, and my really good memory tells me
(24:36):
the story was when the Niners traded up for Trey
Lance because they've got Trey Lance and brock Purty same draft. Right,
that he wanted mac Jones, but either he soured on
him the last second, but more likely that John Lynch,
the GM and others said no, Trey Lance is the
(24:57):
better prospect. Is that I remember it as well, Dan.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
Yes, I remember Chris Sims coming out with the mac
Jones thing and we're like, what, like that was early on?
But yes, that's all right.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
And then for people to don't understand again, I know
many of you are like we know, but some don't.
Chris Simms and Kyle Shanahan were college roommates at Texas, right,
so they are obviously really really close friends and Shanahan
was a wide receiver and he was a quarterback obviously,
so that when he comes out and says, hey, I
(25:34):
know Kyle Shanahan wants Mac Jones were assuming that he's
a what do they call those in what do you
call that in politics? When you're basically like a spokesman
for somebody else, but you're a surrogate, that's agate. So
(25:57):
I don't think it's fake, but it is. It definitely
is how Jim Harbaugh is with his praise of Justin Herbert.
Remember in the offseason, he said he woke up from
a dream and that dream made him conclude he had
to get Justin Herbert to the Hall of Fame. Here's
the Charger's head coach talking about his quarterback who came
(26:18):
off an outstanding performance in South Hollow.
Speaker 8 (26:22):
And a huge hit on Justin the kind of hit
that would have killed a lesser man. That's how big
that hit was. Let's be honest about that. And then
our guy Justin Herbert gets right back in the huddle
and it's third and fourteen. It's it's Quinton Johnson, which
ended up being a half yard short of the first
(26:42):
down that allowed for that fourth down. You know, I've
been telling people Justin's great, just unbelievable, incredible. The kind
of player that he is, that's especially hard. I think
most quarterbacks, most human beings. I mean, you take that
kind of big hit to come back the next play
and just stand in there and you know, look down
(27:04):
the barrel of the gun and hit another one. You know,
it's pretty impressive.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
No, he's He's an absolute stud and it's fascinating. Last
year in the playoffs, Justin Herbert didn't play well, and
I felt like I was a lone voice of reasoning
saying they wouldn't have been in the playoffs without Justin Herbert.
And yeah, he didn't play well. Their offensive line was
awful in the playoffs. But I think part of it
(27:31):
is that Harbaugh is so effuse continually in his praise
that people don't maybe know how to take it all.
Credit Jation Stewart for bringing this one up. Okay, I
want you just listen objectively to Micah Parsons. This is
how Michael Parsons end up playing on Sunday against the
Detroit Lions.
Speaker 9 (27:49):
I told him, you know the other day, when they
were talking to me about the Snapcown was like I mean,
we could run gassers. We can be in practice and
you give me these plays. We could run to the ball.
But I was like, at the end of the day, like,
you gotta let me push through something. You gotta let me,
like you know, get tired and get war out out
there so that way I can become better and get
better from it. And you know, that's when I was like, Okay,
your reps can go up, like you gotta really like,
(28:09):
sometimes you gotta fight for your own right to play.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Sometimes you gotta fight for your right to play. This
goes counter to the hey can't do anything in Dallas, right,
can't do anything in Dallas. It also goes, you know,
counter to trying to this is you're trying to protect
players from themselves because most of them, the good ones,
they're always gonna want to play. Oh and they'll always
find a way to talk you into want to play.
(28:37):
I don't think it looks like do I think it
looks good for Michael Parsons. I don't. I don't think
faking a back injury, or faking the severity of a
back injury that that does seem to tempt fate and
tempt karma. It has happened, and for whatever reason in
the NFL people allow it to continue to happen. But
the idea that he he can talk his way into playing,
(29:01):
but a coach can't talk him into playing when he's
hurt is part of where we've gone societal wise, where
we've gone sportswise, whether it was real or imagined. You
go back thirty forty years ago and the coach would determine, Hey,
you want to stay here, you got to go play.
And some people feel like coaches force them to play,
(29:22):
force them to take painkillers, force them to get back
out there. Now as the pendulum swings, if a player
says he's hurt, there's nothing you can do as a
coach zero unless you want to get sued. If you
want to get sued, that means you want to lose
your job. But a player doesn't matter what the determination is.
He can talk his way into playing. That's an imbalanced system,
(29:45):
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Speaker 5 (31:16):
Doug the news within the last hour that Kyle Shanahan
had got to the San Francisco forty nine Ers says
that it's a long shot for Brock Party to play
in Week two against the Saints. In fact, Shanahan said
that Party could miss multiple games because of the shoulder
and toe injuries suffered against the Seahawks.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
So he's got he's just banged up. There's no like
one real problem.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
As Iowa, Sam, you put it in this way, Ioa Sam.
Speaker 6 (31:47):
He shoulders, heeds in toes, he's in toes uh.
Speaker 7 (31:53):
Sho toes, left shoulder, non throwing shoulder.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
But all right, I mean great for mac Jones, are
they good? Like, how would we characterize the Niners.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
Well, they've got the easiest schedule based on strength of
schedule to enter the season, and you go and get
a win against one of the better teams on your
schedule in week one. So whether they're good or not,
I think they're going to be in position. I think
that they're a good football team. I wouldn't say great.
I just don't know how that style is going to
hold up through seventeen games. As we talked about yesterday.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Yep, so as we experienced prediction TV prediction Radio for
the ten days prior to the start of the season. Yeah,
I was given a lot of crap on this platform
and on Twitter for naysaying prediction radio. And the basis
(32:51):
four why I think predictions are silly is this very
scenario when those lazy radio sidements were choosing the over
unders on the forty nine Ers and they got to
the Saints in Week two and they just said.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
That's a win.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
That's a win. Yep.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
How about we didn't factor that party would be missing
their tight end would be missing it. The calculation changes
every dy. It's not a league worth predicting.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Yeah, I mean, you just can't. I don't. I don't
know if I would use the word worth, but you
just it's it's virtually impossible predict the league where injuries
have such an incredible effect on the league. And and
here's the difference. Injuries have a huge effect on basketball.
They're just much more likely in football.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
There's also a little something more at stake with the
forty nine Ers here because the schedule wise, which was
pointed out when they place George Kittle on IR, meaning
that he's going to miss the team's next four games.
Their fourth game in this upcoming stretch is a Thursday
night game. Their buy doesn't come until later on of
the season. I think it's like the first week in December,
to be honest with you. So they've got a long
(34:04):
way to go for their bye. But the thought process
with Kittle is because you have this short amount of
time where you play all these games, that it's probably
best to just put them on IR because you're probably
not going to play them the week of that short
week against the Rams. So you had to have the
Saints then home against the Cardinals and Jaguars at LA
(34:25):
on a Thursday night. Then you have a bit of
a break before facing Tampa that following week, just because
of the Thursday night contest against the Rams. I don't
know if the forty nine ers will follow that same
pattern with brock Purty. Obviously, different injuries and different when
it comes to quarterbacks. By the way, a topic that
we didn't discuss, and I think that we need to
hear off of what happened in Ames on Saturday. There
(34:47):
was video circulating of Tyre's Halliburton Iowa State product at
the game, and the Iowa cheerleaders requested to take a
picture with Halliburton the entire cheer squad. Of course, Halliburton said, sure,
but how do we feel about this? Halliburton and the
(35:08):
Iowa cheerleaders taking pictures with each other on the sidelines
in a rivalry game.
Speaker 7 (35:14):
Sure, that's actually the first time I'm hearing about this.
I really can't say, video and everything, can't say I
love it.
Speaker 6 (35:22):
But he became he kind of transcended, you know, sports,
like people don't. People don't think about Tyers Haliburton as
a cyclone. They think about him as a pacer, but
he reps the cyclones.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
Yeah, he was wearing his Iowa state sweatshirt.
Speaker 7 (35:36):
Yeah, I don't know. He's a pretty likable guy, So
I don't like it.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
But transcended the sports. I think he.
Speaker 7 (35:43):
Transcended the NBA Finals.
Speaker 6 (35:45):
I think he transcended with his his clutch shot after
shot after clutch shot.
Speaker 5 (35:49):
I think he was he was a big deal. I'll
say this three hundred and sixty four days out of
the year. It's probably fine that day of that game.
If you saw him at the Des Moines Mall, Sutter
Rapids Mall.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Yeah, Also, you're in Iowa Hawkeye uniform in front of
Iowa State bands.
Speaker 7 (36:10):
Like if I saw Tyre's Halliburton at a mall, I'd
be like, yo, what up?
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Man?
Speaker 7 (36:14):
Like, I'd be like positive with.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
He might probably be at the Appleton Mall. He's from Oshkosh.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
There you go.
Speaker 7 (36:20):
Oh, I'm not gonna give him a hard time. I
respect him.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
Outlets go the Outlets and osh Vegas. The NBA Commissioner,
Adam Silver says there's no news regarding expansion, despite the
topic being discussed at the NBA's Board of Governors meeting.
This is what he had to say on the Clippers investigation.
Speaker 10 (36:39):
The burden is on the league if we're gonna discipline
a team, an owner, a player, or you know, any
of the constituent members of the league. I think, as
a matter of fundamental fairness, I would be reluctant to
act if there was sort of a mere appearance of impropriety.
I think that the goal of a full investigation is
(37:00):
to find if there really was impropriety. The public at
times reaches conclusions that later turn out to be completely false,
and so I do would want anybody else in situation.
Mister Bomber is in now or Kawhi Leonard for that matter,
to be treated the same way I would want to
be treated if people were making allegations against me.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
I think it's completely fair, and that's part of where
I am with Pablo Torre. Don't get me wrong. Pablo
is a brilliant guy, and this is the second investigation
he's brought up, which are really interesting, but it's the
second one where you're like, I kind of feel like
these questions have been asked and answered, so I don't know.
Speaker 5 (37:44):
Finally, dug three players that played together at Fresno State
banned forever by the NCAA after they were found to
try to manipulate their stats in a gambling scheme.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Which three players.
Speaker 5 (37:55):
MIKEL Robinson, Stephen Vasquez who's now at San Jose State,
in Jalen Weaver, he was under him.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
There was one more who I was actually recruiting, and
then some off the court stuff. I bailed on recruiting
and went to Fresno State. I'm thankful he's down in
the list. This is the Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio.
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