September 10, 2025 • 37 mins
Doug talks about the direction the Miami Dolphins and Mike McDaniel are going in after they were the toast of the town just a couple of years ago. Doug welcomes College Football analyst Josh Pate onto the show to talk about the college football schedule this week. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "For Better or Worse?".
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lin lambeau Field, the Commanders take on the Packers. Two
young quarterbacks to talented teams to playoff teams from last
year really excited to watch them. Wednesday sometimes is a
little bit of a lull day. It is it's hump day,
what which means we have the midway coming top of
next hour. I was thinking about this though, how how
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quickly narratives can change on coaches and players, and I
think there is no easier one to discuss, and I do.
By the way, I'm gonna give away a pick for
this weekend. Early the Dolphins play the Patriots. Both teams
looked horrendous, but those early season Dolphin games at hard
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Rock Stadium greatly favor the Dolphins because the visiting team
is it a part of a stadium where in the
second half they're like a snail or ants, and the
stadium acts like a magnifying glass where just the heat
creeps down on them. And when you're not used to it,
I mean, it just wears you out, even when you
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are used to it. Dolphins are point half favorite, but
they were non competitive against the Indianapolis Colts. Next week
they have to go to Buffalo. Good news is they're
playing Buffalo in September. So whether it's not a factor,
bad news is, you know, look as much as I
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think they they'll beat the Patriots. The chance of them
turn around and beating the Bills in Buffalo very remote.
But this is a game in which they can win.
They're a game of their favorite. They'll be favored against
the Panther, the Jets and the Panthers in a couple
of weeks. But I want you to think about these
two names, or yeah, these two names, Tua Tongue of
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II Loa and Mike McDaniel. Isn't it fascinating how both
of those guys and Tua has been. He's been a
hard one to truly evaluate. He's been a hard one
to be critical of because he does appear to be
a great guy and he has gotten hurt a bunch
in his career. So do you hold it against him?
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Or this is the guy that suffered a concussion early
last season. You're like, man, I don't know if I
ever should play again. But the Miami Dolphins Sunday looked atrocious.
They were a train wreck. And remember this is a
team that last year started out as losers of six
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of their first eight football games, six of their first eight.
They started out zero to one. They had the page.
It's this upcoming weekend and you have Rex Ryan even
on TV calling him a little nerd boy. Of course
I don't No one likes the name calling not necessary.
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I like Rex, but like, what's really the point there.
The issue is that you have Tua and McDaniel and
they're tied at the hip and by now it's a
system that while you don't know the play, you know
the style and what he does and what helps him
be a high level passer, and it can be taken away.
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Here's Colts Corner Zavian Howard talk about how they were
to be successful against the Dolphins.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
We knew the guy, you know, he get the ball
out pretty quick, and once we take away his first read,
I feel like it's panic mode after that.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
And it showed yesterday.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Man, we took away his first read and he was
trying to get rid of the ball real quick.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
So some will say it's a timing based offense. Xavi
and Howard just played against him, said, it's about taking
away his first read. And the point is that he's
not a guy who can really add lip because not
only is he not terribly athletic, but when he has
tried to move in and out of the pocket and
make the extra place. That's when he's gotten these concussions
or worse, he had gotten hurt when he's in college
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and he you know, he dislocated his hip whereas hip
went through the hip socket. This is a classic case
of Mike McDaniel. To take the job, had to tell
everybody in the Dolphins organization, you got the right guy.
This is the right guy. We're gonna make him into
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something incredible. Knowing that Tuga Tua was not the right guy,
wasn't good enough. Now you might be saying to yourself,
Brian Flores deserves credit. Brian Flores is the defensive coordinator
with the Minnesota Vikings. Of course, he was fired with Miami,
and one reason people reported that he was fired was
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he never let management forget that they drafted the wrong
quarterback into a when they could have had justin Herbert. Now,
I'll tell you that when I don't think Flora's got
fired specifically for that feeling or what he said. It
was how he treated people. But he was right. You
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can be right and still be out of a job.
McDaniel when he took the job, had to sort of
bow at the altar of Tua and It might not
have even been because he liked Tua that much. It
was because the guys who hung around most, notably Genlemen
manager Chris Career, they drafted Tua. So you can't come
in and say, hey, you guys are hiring me, but
you're idiots. You drafted the bron quarterback, and instead he
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made Tua out to be something that Tua has not
been able to live up to. Yeah he can be accurate,
Yeah he can play quarterback. Yeah you can lead men.
But he can't move, he doesn't have a big arm,
he doesn't always throw a great spiral, And it's hard
to be inspired by somebody who guys don't think is
good enough at his job. Midae's the top candidate to
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be fired this year in the NFL. And this this
is a guy who had all the things, had the swag,
had the offense, had the speed, had they take the
league by storm, And yet here we are. And it's
why drafting a quarterback is so hard. And then being
in that no man's land of you got a guy
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who's decent, so to assign him, you got to give
him more money. You don't want to give him a
ton of money, but you can't give him no money.
It's really hard. And then once you get if you
have the wrong quarterback under a big number contract, not now,
it's death to you, death to you. The Miami Dolphins
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had a small window there where they were faster and
more explosive, fun, interesting, had something going on, had a
coach that people couldn't wait to tear see his press conferences.
Two years ago they won eleven games eleven and that
was while dropping their last two, went to the playoffs,
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summarily lost to the to the KNC Chiefs. You know,
last year, slow start off to eight to nine, and
it feels like and remember Tua didn't play in the
last two games of the year, but it feels like
the league has figured out to it. The league has
figured out McDaniels, Tyreek Hill can't keep it together off
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the football field. This thing's gonna have to be nuked.
And it's amazing to me how quickly people can change
their opinion of not just the aptitude, but the coaching
ability or even playing ability of a guy, where now
most people are like, I don't even know how you
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start to it. And McDaniels, wow, he's got to be
nedy because he keeps throwing them out there, and from
a Dani's part, he's said, this is my franchise quarterback.
He has an idiot for the first time in my
recent memory. He said his play clearly wasn't good enough. Right,
that's as slightly critical as he can be of a
guy who he basically placed under deity status. I think
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the Miami situation already sort of imploding, is a really
really interesting watch, and one in which, from however many
thousand miles away and thirty thousand feet above, it, can
tell you the story of the NFL. Brian Dabole no different. Right.
He was the quarterback whisper when he was with Buffalo.
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Then he leaves and all of a sudden, for one
year he had Danny Dimes ball and they re signed.
Danny Dimes resigned the wrong guy. Now, Brian Dabole is
an idiot who can't out of his own way.
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Speaker 5 (10:16):
Three balls and one strike to Swarver.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
The pitch swung on hit deep center field.
Speaker 6 (10:21):
Siri, just watching as that ball is gone.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
It's not for fifty for Kyle.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
Schwarmer over the angle go on to the left of
the batter's eye as Kyle Schwarmer becomes the second player
in Phillies's history to hit fifty home runs in a
single season.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Wow, fifty home runs for Kyle Schwarber. Uh, here's the
guy with a zero point nine two six ops and
the Phillies continue to trounce others in the NLS to
get the Mets upcoming in a couple hours at home byer,
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Are you with me on the Dolphins thing? It's like,
it's really interesting if you go back a couple of
years ago. Mikentanas Is just he had a swag. He's
got the cool glasses. When he's miked up, he's such
an air of positivity. And he's the one I saw
to it and nobody else did. I relate to this guy.
I get this guy, and now it feels like on
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some level he's going down with the toast ship.
Speaker 7 (11:31):
So I agree with a lot of what you said.
That last part I don't agree with. I feel that
it was he took it on as a challenge. I
don't think that he propped to a up. I think
that he was like, all right, if nobody else can
try to do it, I'm going to try to make
him the quarterback that I believe that he can be
in the quarterback that I believe that I can develop
in my system. I don't think that there was arrogance
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and peacocking around TUA. But a lot of what you
said I think is true. I think that they've obviously
reached their peak, and maybe that peak was that playoff
game against the Chiefs a couple of years ago, and
that's as high as they were going to go. I
think there are other factors though, that just unfortunately work
against McDaniel and other head coaches. And to his health
is something Tyreek Hills. I don't know if he's taking
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a step back. I don't know if it is McDaniel's
offense and maybe not figuring out ways to free him up.
But he was such a weapon for him early in
the tenure, and now he's coming off of a performance
against four catches forty yards. There was a lot of
that last year, so your main offensive weapon is not there.
I don't want to say he's a victim of circumstance
because what you laid out is all true, Like that's
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how it happened. I just don't think it's a unique
I think it's this is the NFL, I guess is
the best way to put it. This is what happens.
Some teams peak with wildcard appearances. The Lions may have
peaked with an NFC championship game. Some teams go and
win Super Bowls. But the Dolphins run with McDaniel and Tua.
That's about as far as it could go as an
AFC wildcard.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
It's it's it's just fascinating though, on how how it
can change on you. And I actually think Jay ste
will sit there and go like, how are you including
me on this? Because Jay does not like to get
into the is a guy a good football player, bad
football player? Like he just likes the stories and the
storylines and all of those things to it. But one
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of the things that Jason you discussed is like all
of the off the court, off the field stuff with
with Tyreek Hill, plus his desire to he could have
stayed with the Chiefs and you know, made Super after
Super after Super Bowl. Instead he went after the brass ring.
And you may say, fairly so, hey, Tua's lack of
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production is directly tired tied to Tyreek Hill suddenly having
all these distractions or maybe not buying in whatever, But
that McDaniel can't be responsible for Tyreek's off the field
stuff or the inability to get him the football in space.
And my pushback, yeah you can, because if you're gonna
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have to a tongue of aoloil, like, how can I
make this work? Okay, we have to create such team
speed and have him get rid of the ball so
quickly that all he has to do is make a
priest napp reed get rid of the ball. And when
he gets through the ball, we have enough speed where
they'll take care of the rest. But part of that
speed comes with guys that at times can be hard
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to coach, can be hired to have an organization and
that's Tyreek Hill. The Chiefs dodged the proverbial bullet when
Tyreek Hill wanted and received that much money from the
Miami Dolphins. I read a story two days ago that said,
people are talking about trading Tyreek Hill. The Chiefs don't
want him back, and they desperately need a wide receiver.
Speaker 7 (14:55):
Go ahead, Dan, I think that's an interesting angle of
it where I think the Chiefs then pivoted in a
way where we're not going to pay Tyreek Hill. We
don't have him anymore, we don't have that game changer.
How do we invest and how do we invest on
our defense and make our defense complimentary to our quarterback
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and Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Yes, there's lots of ways to win football games, and
they figured out like, oh, we've win football games, it's
just our defense keep us close. And then we got
this great player. But think about this, the Chiefs have
uninarguably less talent at wide receiver than they had when
he was there, less talent, and yet they've been just
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as good in terms of what they've done in the playoffs,
and they've offered no thought of bringing him back, which
tells you that character does in fact win it does.
Now there's also a talent component to it. I think
Tua has all the character. I don't think he has
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the talent. Tyreek has all the talent, On doesn't have
the character. It's the Doug Gotlam Show with Fox Sports Radio.
All right, let's get ready for what I think is
starting to become real last school college football weekend. Not
just because Oklahma State got their asses kicks, stop, guys,
because now we got ranked team versus ranked team, and
a couple of SEC ranked teams versus ranked team. Let's
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welcome in Josh Pate. He's hosted the Josh Pate College
Football Show. You can see him on ESPN. You know him,
Paid State, he does on three Sports and Yahoo Sports.
Kind of to spend some time with this year in
the show, Josh, let's just dive right in. Was Oklahoma
State that bad? Or is Oregon that good?
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Ooh?
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Yes, just all yes to all the above. I don't
know that. Look, I expected Oregon to win and cover,
but even I had my jaw hit the ground a
little bit on that one. I watched last year when
Florida State delivered these really surprising subpar results early and
it just never recovered and it was a dead season.
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I got concerned that's what we're seeing at Oklahoma State,
almost to the point where I question, like, what is
the Oregon. I don't know. We'll all find out when
they go to Penn State in a couple of weeks.
But that was one of those when you get both
extremes on one field on one Saturday. We call it
a splattering. It's a very untechnical, undata asque term. That
was a splattering.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
That was an absolute splattering. Josh Pate joining us. Of course,
Josh is synonymous right synonymous with college football. You can
see him on ESPN, on three Sports, and Yahoo Sports.
He's host of the Josh Pate College Football Show. He
joined to here on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox
Sports Radio Oklahoma. They granted, you're going against the freshman
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quarterback had just turned eighteen, playing at home, and I
thought the story was John Mattier. But again, I don't
know if we thought this was a national champion of
caliber Michigan team or Michigan defense. What'd you take from
Oklahoma's win over Michigan.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
I'm like you, so, I was extremely high on Oklahoma
coming into the season, really high on the tier. I've
picked them to win the Heisman. I've got an irresponsible
amount of money on it right now. So it would
really make me happy if we could just bang the
drum here and I am but I'm like you. I
could hear that in your tone. You're kind of you,
You're impressed, and it's a really great win and it
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looks markedly better than the products on the field last year.
But then at the same time, if you're Oklahoma, okay,
there are probably multiple higher hurdles left to clear down
the road. So it's a good indicator, a lot of
good indicators. What I'm trying to do is I'm trying
to get myself from you going from sipping the kool
aid to bathing in the kool aid and understand, yeah,
you were basing the true freshman quarterback on the road
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and you're building against Brent and Venables. Even though it
got to a one possession game in the second half done,
there was no point where I felt like Michigan was
going to threaten to win it. And so when you're
playing in that kind of game where you really don't
have that kind of fear, Han, you got a home
field that you're back. It's one thing if down the road,
you're on the road again the team that can trade
points with you, and maybe materiers getting balls batted down
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at the line. And by the way, outside of QB run,
they still only averaged about three yards per carry from
the tailback position. So maybe you can't run the ball
and maybe someone just throws the crowbar and your bicycle
spokes offensively. Do you have an answer then? And with Oklahoma,
because of the schedule they play, we can have a
couple of no's as those answers and they still make
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the playoff. I'm just trying not to get too excited
because I badly, badly, badly want to be proven right
on this. But it's not time to celebrate in September.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
It is not, especially with what they have eight more
ranked teams to play in SEC play. I mean, just
a really tough schedule and we'll see what happens as
they get to the SEC. But for a guy in
Brentonventibles who's had to prove some stuff, that was a
pretty good first prove it game. All right, let's get
to this weekend slate and get some of your thoughts.
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Let's start with Bama.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Kay.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I mean again, I don't. I think they were great
Game one against Florida State, but no one knows how
good Florida State is. Right, they have Wisconsin coming in.
Last year, they just overwhelmed Wisconsin. What happens this year?
Speaker 5 (20:16):
I look, I would expect something similar, but you know,
most people are saying that, me included. I have not
watched a ton of Wisconsin. I just don't what I
have seen of them, it's more of the same. I
don't really know what the Wisconsin offensive identity is, which
is just a crazy thing to be asking about a
Luke Fickletem. That's the last question I thought I would
have about him at Wisconsin multiple years in. So here's
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what should happen, Doug. What should happen is what happened
last year. They should overwhelm them. They get Ryan Williams
back this weekend. They should be multiple. Offensively, they should
be balanced, They should strike the ball carrier. They should
be able to shed blocks and not let interior linemen
up to the second level. Defensively, all that should happen
they should have happened against Florida State. Although I do
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grant your point there that we don't really know what
Florida State is. It could be a top ten team
for all we know. You know, it's funny you bring
this game up first because there are like half a
dozen bigger games on the radar, yet this one's the
one that kind of fascinates me because if Bama, if
that week one thing was just a one off for them,
you know, if everyone's just got one of those in
the bag this year, just a complete and total no show,
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clunker type of effort, and that was theirs. We'll know
it this weekend. But if some of the same critical
issues show themselves again this weekend, and you know Bama's
next game is on the road at Georgia, they start
diving into conference play, well then you got, well exactly
what I said, you got critical issues. So that one's
going to go under the radar. It's kind of like
Vandy South Carolina. They're really critical games. They'll be overlooked,
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but I'll have at least one eye glued to those things.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Stug Gottlip Show here on Fox Sports Trader. That's the
great Josh Pate who covers college football. He's got the
Josh Paid College Football Show, right, I mean, it's the name. Kids,
it's it's in the name. I'm you.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
Well, you just you, you just spelled it out. We
had a big brainstorming meeting about a year ago. I mean,
I'm talking about smart people in the room, Doug way
smarter than me. And they're they're saying, what do we
call this show? Did we change the name of the show?
And I said, well, what are you trying to do?
They said, well, we're trying to make it SEO friendly.
And I said, well, what do people search if they
don't know the name of the show, Well, they probably
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searched Josh Paton's College Football Show. And I said, there's
your name. And you would have been proud of me
because I said it. And I stood up and walked
out of the room, and.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Sure enough, there you drop. You dropped the mic.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
I dropped the mic on them.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Uh, Georgia Tennessee, All right, this is this is college football, right,
Georgia Tennessee.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
Go, it's beautiful. I'm going to be there. I cannot wait.
All right, So nine or no, eight years in a row?
Speaker 1 (22:55):
George First, where you stand? Where you stand?
Speaker 5 (23:00):
I am, dude, I can't even remember. Somewhere in Knoxville,
I can't even remember which hotel. Is it important? Do
you have a go to.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
No, No, at the Thompson I think it was that Thompson.
What is the no it's a Tennessee and the I
think it's I can't remember. There's a cool one downtown
that's a I just I didn't know if you had
a place, like when I go to Knoxville, this is
my spot.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
Yeah, well, I'll tell you what I do. I don't
have a spot from a hotel perspective. But Bill Martin's
the sid there. Great dude. Anytime I go to a
Tennessee game, he has this ritual where he goes up
on the top top top of the Tennessee Press spots
Saturday at sunrise. It's overlooking the river there and you
just get to take in one of the great views
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in the southeast. Still steam coming off the river, and
you know you've got a big game coming up, and
like the river's on one side of you, an empty
doscile Kneeland Stadium with all the pom poms handed outs
on the other side. So that's great. I look forward
to that. They haven't been able to throw the ball
vertically on Georgia at all. They also haven't been able
to run it great. One of the big misnomers is
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Tennessee can't match physicality. I'm telling you, dude, I've stood
on the field for this game last year too. It
was one of the most hard hitting games I've ever seen.
Georgia knows that. Their coaching staff echoed that afterwards. Tennessee
can match physicality. Tennessee's fully committed to running the ball.
What they have to do with Joey Aguilar, who's the
quarterback instead of Niko Iamaliaba, is they got to pop
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Georgia through the air early. They got to at least
establish the threat of the deep ball. That's how you
beat Saving at Bama. That's how you beat Kirby at Georgia.
You gotta be able to precision past them and make
them respect that you didn't just accidentally do it early
in the game. If they can do that, Doug, there
are a lot of questions about this Georgia team too.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Now.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
For all I know, they're well on the way to
answering them. But the right side of the offensive line
has been iffy so far. They've run the ball better
than they did last year, but that's been against inferior
competition too. You got a new quarterback that seemed a
little gun shy to me. That's going on the road
in Neeland. Tennessee grabbed a ten to nothing lead on
them last year and then Georgia raced them, had an
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eleven to one edge on pass plays of fifteen plus
yards down the field. That was Carson Beck. He's gone now.
So if Georgia can't get it going, you might be
looking at a rock fight there. And contrary to popular beliefs,
Tennessee would be fully comfortable in that.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
A and M goes on the road to Notre Dame.
Last year, Irish came in and got a win. Why
would this year be any different for Notre Dame or
for tet for A and M welcome.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Yeah, So they're going to have to prove to me
that it is. To shortly answer your question, a little
bit more extended version is I think you probably, like
most of us, including me, we watched Notre Dame Miami
week one, and Miami really got after Notre Dame's offensive line.
Not used to seeing that. That's the hallmark, I mean,
that's the strength, that's the core that team, and you
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kind of find yourself saying, you know, I mean Miami's
got aliens everywhere in their front. Maybe that was just
Miami's going to do that to most people. Well, here's
the thing about the A and M matchup for Notre Dame.
This is probably going to be the second best defensive
front they face all year. So there is a world
where they get after Notre Dame as well, and they
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sort of, you know, throw that timing and rhythm into
a blender as well. I thought CJ. Carr validated himself
as being the starting quarterback pretty well for Notre Dame.
You know, some of these other guys like you know
Underwood last week, Aguilar this week, they got indoctrinated against
the big boy defenses. Well, CJ. Carr already had that
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on the road at Miami, and then they had a
bye week. It's a weird season where Notre Dame had
a week two by and so they've just been sitting
there and wounded animal mode, waiting for A and M
to come in the beauty in this game. Doug is
A and M has looked at this game last year
and said they came into our building and used the
identity that we're trying to build here. Last year was
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oko first year at A and M, so they have
built a three headed monster at tailback. A and M
thinks they've got the better offensive line. A and M
believes they can go into someone else's building and lean
on them. Notre Dame believes the exact same thing about themselves,
and they're in desperation mode. A lot of them are
calling this a must win game already in Week three,
Game two. So I love it, dude. I think A
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and M can go in there and trade punches with them.
A and M has just not won these games, so
until proven otherwise, they got to show me that they
can win one of these big games.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
I mean, that's the story of Texas A and M.
Right as is every year it feels like there's hype
in every year they let you down and in one
of those big games. Sometimes it happens at home, like
it did last year. That's probably the maybe more interesting part,
where you have Kyle Field's this incredible place and should
be intimidating. Yet why does A and M lose these
home games? Arkansas Ole Miss Arkansas two very uneven games? Right, Obviously,
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they put up a bunch of points last week, but
it wasn't necessarily pretty for a guy in Tailing Green
who started off the season just hot as all get
out through a couple of early picks in last week's game.
But this is trying to save your coaching job, old
Miss coming off a big road wind over Kentucky. Any
chance Old Miss overlooks Arkansas.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
Yeah, they overlook Kentucky last year. Absolutely, they could overlook Arkansas.
But let me let me just present another possible scenario
to you. What if they're not overlooking them and Arkansas
is just a little bit better than we thought they were.
I mean, they're screaming, they're screaming as loud as they
can in Fayetville that everyone's forgotten. They've got a quarterback there.
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You mentioned them in Tayling Green. He doesn't get a
lot of run in the SEC circles because people don't
expect anything from that team. But I mean, you and
I know you got one hundred and thirty six of
these teams out there, so you're gonna have a handful
of them that shot you every year. It's just there's
no skill, or there's little skill in figuring out which
one it's going to be. Well, the Old Miss their
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defensive front for a portal reliant team. The funny thing
about Old Miss is they've got a defensive front that's
entirely They're entirely homegrown. They recruited them, they developed them there,
they got portal guys everywhere else. That defensive front can
get after you. The problem is, I'm not sure I
really buy their offensive line, and so if someone comes
in there with with good enough matchups, good enough defensive skill,
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desperate enough, they can make life hard. Kentucky just did
it again to Old Miss last week. They got beat
but it wasn't easy for Old Miss last week. So
you know, Kentucky that have a quarterback Arkansas does, so
it's not to me the biggest shock in the world.
If we turn that thing on Saturday and that's a
fourth quarter game as well.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
That'd be crazy. Again. I'm I'm I'm here for it.
I want Arkansas to be better than we thought. I
just gotta see it consistently because they you know, they
just fell apart so much last year and in previous
couple of years. What do we do with South Florida
If they beat Miami, Well.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
What should you and I do? You and I should
rank them? As the number one team in the country,
what will the AP do. I don't know they make
the top fifteen. If someone watches the game for once,
I guess maybe I you know, I do the power
rating stuff. I don't really do the ranking stuff. And
this is why, because I don't really think the ratings
or the rankings rather are done with the pure intentions.
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If it's just judge and body of word. And these
cats have beaten Boise State, Florida on the road, Miami
on the road, you obviously don't have a better looking
resume out there anywhere. But people can't shake preconceived notions
out of their mind, even in the presence of on
field results. So what I would do is I would
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look at him and I would say, I can't believe
Alex Golis doesn't already have a P four job, And
he has had opportunity. He's been very selective. Some are
all at two lanes another one. He's been very selective.
So those guys are very sharp. They know they don't
need to go anywhere. They're fine where they are. They
can stay there indefinitely. But just in the interest of
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just on the field this year, I mean, we're used
to talking about the G five team getting in because
there's an automatic G five spot for the playoff. Well,
if they win this weekend, you're talking about building a
resume that matches up with anyone else, and they start
to give themselves not only the potential to make the playoffs,
but let's just say randomly, they didn't end up winning
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their conference or something like that, they may have an
outside shot and having an at large resume at that point.
And that's not a conversation I thought I'd ever have.
Unless the playoffs built to like thirty teams.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
That's crazy at large at South Florida and do it
this quick. Now we'll see Gay, it could be just
one win over Florida boyse. He might not be that good,
so we but man, was that that's import You go
on the swamp to get a win. And now if
they go get Miami as well, that's crazy. Josh and
Joy Knoxville can't wait to hear your thoughts on real
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SEC football getting ready to take on this weekend. Thanks
to our guest, I appreciate it, sir.
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Gottlieb Show and subscribe. Look, I we don't we'll talk
politics occasionally here, but Charlie Kirk has been shot at
a at a one of you know, he does these
(33:05):
I don't want to say it's a rally, but where
he'll challenge people's opinions in an open form. He was
at Utah Valley, which is the biggest university in the
state of Utah. And again I'm just reading reports that
he was shot. There's video out there of it. His
condition is unknown. Obviously you're sending out any sort of
thoughts and prayers to help him heal be okay for
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his family. But you know, we talked a little bit
about was it Lamar Jackson Chase two who posted something.
Did he post something about like one of his one
of his rants or something on social media?
Speaker 3 (33:41):
No?
Speaker 4 (33:41):
No, he just he just reposted one of Charlie Kirk's tweets.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
It was something very offensive like God saves Jesus.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Or oh that's that's what it was. Yeah, And I
think at the I like, how are people offended by that?
Don't know? Look and look, he's a guy who they
do these debates and he lights people up, lights people
up with his opinion. It's an educated opinion on matters
(34:18):
of politics. I don't agree with many of his opinions.
But I also think it's absolutely horrific that we were
in this incredible country and you know we had was
it two representatives in Minnesota killed her this year? Is
that right?
Speaker 5 (34:38):
Right?
Speaker 1 (34:39):
I mean, what are we doing anyway, Let's get you
back to sports. Just know that we're not ostriches. Head
in the sand. Whatever side of the political aisle you're on,
you know this is not the way. Here's game time
with Dan Buyer. This is sorry, Dan, what are you
(35:02):
gonna do? We're doing the Midway next. That's supposed to
be fun. Sorry Dan? Oh and you had like two minutes.
Speaker 7 (35:10):
My bad, No, it's just I just I feel to
play a game after that news.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
It's just it's a little tricky. But anyway, we'll soldier on.
All right. The game today is for better or worse?
Speaker 7 (35:26):
Okay, this is where Doug says something is better or
worse than the other fan base, Philadelphia versus Boston. Now
this after the Phillies fans stole the ball from another
Phillies fan in the Marlins game last week, and I
was gonna do New York, but I felt that Boston
was more of the.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Yep, you're right, you nailed it. Yeah, there's a parallel.
Phillies are worse. Philadelphia fans are the worst.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Yea, even to their own fans, their own players.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Correct, correct, all.
Speaker 7 (35:53):
Right, Doug? For better or worse loss in Week one?
Ravens falling to the Bills or the Chiefs lost to
the Chargers. What was better or worse?
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Ravens? Uh, Ravens loss was better than the Chiefs because
Ravens had the big lead and then gave it away.
Whereas the Chiefs they didn't look great all night, right,
couldn't really do much to Justin Herbert all night, and
they're just limited offensively and then worth they got hurt.
I would say the Ravens loss is better.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
All right?
Speaker 7 (36:23):
Looking ahead the week two, we got a Monday night
football double header. For better or worse the matchups Bucks
against Texans or your Chargers against the Raiders.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
I'm not Chargers, Raiders, Raiders, Chargers, Good night, now right,
it was SoCal versus Local, now it's Vegas versus La. Yeah,
it's Chargers Raiders is better.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
The Raids, all right?
Speaker 7 (36:52):
In this off the heels of talking with Josh Pates
about college football for better or worse college football loss,
losing by one or losing by sixty six?
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Oh, losing by one?
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Still all right?
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Yeah, there's no we're losing by sixty six, Like no,
we just can't say, well, you know that one thing
at Nope, Nope, No, I was.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
No, by one is worse yep. And that's game time.
That's game.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
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lin lambeau Field, the Commanders take on the Packers. Two
young quarterbacks to talented teams to playoff teams from last
year really excited to watch them. Wednesday sometimes is a
little bit of a lull day. It is it's hump day,
what which means we have the midway coming top of
next hour. I was thinking about this though, how how
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quickly narratives can change on coaches and players, and I
think there is no easier one to discuss, and I do.
By the way, I'm gonna give away a pick for
this weekend. Early the Dolphins play the Patriots. Both teams
looked horrendous, but those early season Dolphin games at hard
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Rock Stadium greatly favor the Dolphins because the visiting team
is it a part of a stadium where in the
second half they're like a snail or ants, and the
stadium acts like a magnifying glass where just the heat
creeps down on them. And when you're not used to it,
I mean, it just wears you out, even when you
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are used to it. Dolphins are point half favorite, but
they were non competitive against the Indianapolis Colts. Next week
they have to go to Buffalo. Good news is they're
playing Buffalo in September. So whether it's not a factor,
bad news is, you know, look as much as I
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think they they'll beat the Patriots. The chance of them
turn around and beating the Bills in Buffalo very remote.
But this is a game in which they can win.
They're a game of their favorite. They'll be favored against
the Panther, the Jets and the Panthers in a couple
of weeks. But I want you to think about these
two names, or yeah, these two names, Tua Tongue of
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II Loa and Mike McDaniel. Isn't it fascinating how both
of those guys and Tua has been. He's been a
hard one to truly evaluate. He's been a hard one
to be critical of because he does appear to be
a great guy and he has gotten hurt a bunch
in his career. So do you hold it against him?
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Or this is the guy that suffered a concussion early
last season. You're like, man, I don't know if I
ever should play again. But the Miami Dolphins Sunday looked atrocious.
They were a train wreck. And remember this is a
team that last year started out as losers of six
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of their first eight football games, six of their first eight.
They started out zero to one. They had the page.
It's this upcoming weekend and you have Rex Ryan even
on TV calling him a little nerd boy. Of course
I don't No one likes the name calling not necessary.
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I like Rex, but like, what's really the point there.
The issue is that you have Tua and McDaniel and
they're tied at the hip and by now it's a
system that while you don't know the play, you know
the style and what he does and what helps him
be a high level passer, and it can be taken away.
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Here's Colts Corner Zavian Howard talk about how they were
to be successful against the Dolphins.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
We knew the guy, you know, he get the ball
out pretty quick, and once we take away his first read,
I feel like it's panic mode after that.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
And it showed yesterday.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Man, we took away his first read and he was
trying to get rid of the ball real quick.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
So some will say it's a timing based offense. Xavi
and Howard just played against him, said, it's about taking
away his first read. And the point is that he's
not a guy who can really add lip because not
only is he not terribly athletic, but when he has
tried to move in and out of the pocket and
make the extra place. That's when he's gotten these concussions
or worse, he had gotten hurt when he's in college
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and he you know, he dislocated his hip whereas hip
went through the hip socket. This is a classic case
of Mike McDaniel. To take the job, had to tell
everybody in the Dolphins organization, you got the right guy.
This is the right guy. We're gonna make him into
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something incredible. Knowing that Tuga Tua was not the right guy,
wasn't good enough. Now you might be saying to yourself,
Brian Flores deserves credit. Brian Flores is the defensive coordinator
with the Minnesota Vikings. Of course, he was fired with Miami,
and one reason people reported that he was fired was
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he never let management forget that they drafted the wrong
quarterback into a when they could have had justin Herbert. Now,
I'll tell you that when I don't think Flora's got
fired specifically for that feeling or what he said. It
was how he treated people. But he was right. You
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can be right and still be out of a job.
McDaniel when he took the job, had to sort of
bow at the altar of Tua and It might not
have even been because he liked Tua that much. It
was because the guys who hung around most, notably Genlemen
manager Chris Career, they drafted Tua. So you can't come
in and say, hey, you guys are hiring me, but
you're idiots. You drafted the bron quarterback, and instead he
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made Tua out to be something that Tua has not
been able to live up to. Yeah he can be accurate,
Yeah he can play quarterback. Yeah you can lead men.
But he can't move, he doesn't have a big arm,
he doesn't always throw a great spiral, And it's hard
to be inspired by somebody who guys don't think is
good enough at his job. Midae's the top candidate to
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be fired this year in the NFL. And this this
is a guy who had all the things, had the swag,
had the offense, had the speed, had they take the
league by storm, And yet here we are. And it's
why drafting a quarterback is so hard. And then being
in that no man's land of you got a guy
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who's decent, so to assign him, you got to give
him more money. You don't want to give him a
ton of money, but you can't give him no money.
It's really hard. And then once you get if you
have the wrong quarterback under a big number contract, not now,
it's death to you, death to you. The Miami Dolphins
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had a small window there where they were faster and
more explosive, fun, interesting, had something going on, had a
coach that people couldn't wait to tear see his press conferences.
Two years ago they won eleven games eleven and that
was while dropping their last two, went to the playoffs,
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summarily lost to the to the KNC Chiefs. You know,
last year, slow start off to eight to nine, and
it feels like and remember Tua didn't play in the
last two games of the year, but it feels like
the league has figured out to it. The league has
figured out McDaniels, Tyreek Hill can't keep it together off
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the football field. This thing's gonna have to be nuked.
And it's amazing to me how quickly people can change
their opinion of not just the aptitude, but the coaching
ability or even playing ability of a guy, where now
most people are like, I don't even know how you
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start to it. And McDaniels, wow, he's got to be
nedy because he keeps throwing them out there, and from
a Dani's part, he's said, this is my franchise quarterback.
He has an idiot for the first time in my
recent memory. He said his play clearly wasn't good enough. Right,
that's as slightly critical as he can be of a
guy who he basically placed under deity status. I think
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the Miami situation already sort of imploding, is a really
really interesting watch, and one in which, from however many
thousand miles away and thirty thousand feet above, it, can
tell you the story of the NFL. Brian Dabole no different. Right.
He was the quarterback whisper when he was with Buffalo.
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Then he leaves and all of a sudden, for one
year he had Danny Dimes ball and they re signed.
Danny Dimes resigned the wrong guy. Now, Brian Dabole is
an idiot who can't out of his own way.
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Speaker 5 (10:16):
Three balls and one strike to Swarver.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
The pitch swung on hit deep center field.
Speaker 6 (10:21):
Siri, just watching as that ball is gone.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
It's not for fifty for Kyle.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
Schwarmer over the angle go on to the left of
the batter's eye as Kyle Schwarmer becomes the second player
in Phillies's history to hit fifty home runs in a
single season.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Wow, fifty home runs for Kyle Schwarber. Uh, here's the
guy with a zero point nine two six ops and
the Phillies continue to trounce others in the NLS to
get the Mets upcoming in a couple hours at home byer,
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Are you with me on the Dolphins thing? It's like,
it's really interesting if you go back a couple of
years ago. Mikentanas Is just he had a swag. He's
got the cool glasses. When he's miked up, he's such
an air of positivity. And he's the one I saw
to it and nobody else did. I relate to this guy.
I get this guy, and now it feels like on
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some level he's going down with the toast ship.
Speaker 7 (11:31):
So I agree with a lot of what you said.
That last part I don't agree with. I feel that
it was he took it on as a challenge. I
don't think that he propped to a up. I think
that he was like, all right, if nobody else can
try to do it, I'm going to try to make
him the quarterback that I believe that he can be
in the quarterback that I believe that I can develop
in my system. I don't think that there was arrogance
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and peacocking around TUA. But a lot of what you
said I think is true. I think that they've obviously
reached their peak, and maybe that peak was that playoff
game against the Chiefs a couple of years ago, and
that's as high as they were going to go. I
think there are other factors though, that just unfortunately work
against McDaniel and other head coaches. And to his health
is something Tyreek Hills. I don't know if he's taking
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a step back. I don't know if it is McDaniel's
offense and maybe not figuring out ways to free him up.
But he was such a weapon for him early in
the tenure, and now he's coming off of a performance
against four catches forty yards. There was a lot of
that last year, so your main offensive weapon is not there.
I don't want to say he's a victim of circumstance
because what you laid out is all true, Like that's
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how it happened. I just don't think it's a unique
I think it's this is the NFL, I guess is
the best way to put it. This is what happens.
Some teams peak with wildcard appearances. The Lions may have
peaked with an NFC championship game. Some teams go and
win Super Bowls. But the Dolphins run with McDaniel and Tua.
That's about as far as it could go as an
AFC wildcard.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
It's it's it's just fascinating though, on how how it
can change on you. And I actually think Jay ste
will sit there and go like, how are you including
me on this? Because Jay does not like to get
into the is a guy a good football player, bad
football player? Like he just likes the stories and the
storylines and all of those things to it. But one
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of the things that Jason you discussed is like all
of the off the court, off the field stuff with
with Tyreek Hill, plus his desire to he could have
stayed with the Chiefs and you know, made Super after
Super after Super Bowl. Instead he went after the brass ring.
And you may say, fairly so, hey, Tua's lack of
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production is directly tired tied to Tyreek Hill suddenly having
all these distractions or maybe not buying in whatever, But
that McDaniel can't be responsible for Tyreek's off the field
stuff or the inability to get him the football in space.
And my pushback, yeah you can, because if you're gonna
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have to a tongue of aoloil, like, how can I
make this work? Okay, we have to create such team
speed and have him get rid of the ball so
quickly that all he has to do is make a
priest napp reed get rid of the ball. And when
he gets through the ball, we have enough speed where
they'll take care of the rest. But part of that
speed comes with guys that at times can be hard
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to coach, can be hired to have an organization and
that's Tyreek Hill. The Chiefs dodged the proverbial bullet when
Tyreek Hill wanted and received that much money from the
Miami Dolphins. I read a story two days ago that said,
people are talking about trading Tyreek Hill. The Chiefs don't
want him back, and they desperately need a wide receiver.
Speaker 7 (14:55):
Go ahead, Dan, I think that's an interesting angle of
it where I think the Chiefs then pivoted in a
way where we're not going to pay Tyreek Hill. We
don't have him anymore, we don't have that game changer.
How do we invest and how do we invest on
our defense and make our defense complimentary to our quarterback
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and Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Yes, there's lots of ways to win football games, and
they figured out like, oh, we've win football games, it's
just our defense keep us close. And then we got
this great player. But think about this, the Chiefs have
uninarguably less talent at wide receiver than they had when
he was there, less talent, and yet they've been just
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as good in terms of what they've done in the playoffs,
and they've offered no thought of bringing him back, which
tells you that character does in fact win it does.
Now there's also a talent component to it. I think
Tua has all the character. I don't think he has
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the talent. Tyreek has all the talent, On doesn't have
the character. It's the Doug Gotlam Show with Fox Sports Radio.
All right, let's get ready for what I think is
starting to become real last school college football weekend. Not
just because Oklahma State got their asses kicks, stop, guys,
because now we got ranked team versus ranked team, and
a couple of SEC ranked teams versus ranked team. Let's
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welcome in Josh Pate. He's hosted the Josh Pate College
Football Show. You can see him on ESPN. You know him,
Paid State, he does on three Sports and Yahoo Sports.
Kind of to spend some time with this year in
the show, Josh, let's just dive right in. Was Oklahoma
State that bad? Or is Oregon that good?
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Ooh?
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Yes, just all yes to all the above. I don't
know that. Look, I expected Oregon to win and cover,
but even I had my jaw hit the ground a
little bit on that one. I watched last year when
Florida State delivered these really surprising subpar results early and
it just never recovered and it was a dead season.
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I got concerned that's what we're seeing at Oklahoma State,
almost to the point where I question, like, what is
the Oregon. I don't know. We'll all find out when
they go to Penn State in a couple of weeks.
But that was one of those when you get both
extremes on one field on one Saturday. We call it
a splattering. It's a very untechnical, undata asque term. That
was a splattering.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
That was an absolute splattering. Josh Pate joining us. Of course,
Josh is synonymous right synonymous with college football. You can
see him on ESPN, on three Sports, and Yahoo Sports.
He's host of the Josh Pate College Football Show. He
joined to here on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox
Sports Radio Oklahoma. They granted, you're going against the freshman
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quarterback had just turned eighteen, playing at home, and I
thought the story was John Mattier. But again, I don't
know if we thought this was a national champion of
caliber Michigan team or Michigan defense. What'd you take from
Oklahoma's win over Michigan.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
I'm like you, so, I was extremely high on Oklahoma
coming into the season, really high on the tier. I've
picked them to win the Heisman. I've got an irresponsible
amount of money on it right now. So it would
really make me happy if we could just bang the
drum here and I am but I'm like you. I
could hear that in your tone. You're kind of you,
You're impressed, and it's a really great win and it
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looks markedly better than the products on the field last year.
But then at the same time, if you're Oklahoma, okay,
there are probably multiple higher hurdles left to clear down
the road. So it's a good indicator, a lot of
good indicators. What I'm trying to do is I'm trying
to get myself from you going from sipping the kool
aid to bathing in the kool aid and understand, yeah,
you were basing the true freshman quarterback on the road
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and you're building against Brent and Venables. Even though it
got to a one possession game in the second half done,
there was no point where I felt like Michigan was
going to threaten to win it. And so when you're
playing in that kind of game where you really don't
have that kind of fear, Han, you got a home
field that you're back. It's one thing if down the road,
you're on the road again the team that can trade
points with you, and maybe materiers getting balls batted down
(19:04):
at the line. And by the way, outside of QB run,
they still only averaged about three yards per carry from
the tailback position. So maybe you can't run the ball
and maybe someone just throws the crowbar and your bicycle
spokes offensively. Do you have an answer then? And with Oklahoma,
because of the schedule they play, we can have a
couple of no's as those answers and they still make
(19:24):
the playoff. I'm just trying not to get too excited
because I badly, badly, badly want to be proven right
on this. But it's not time to celebrate in September.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
It is not, especially with what they have eight more
ranked teams to play in SEC play. I mean, just
a really tough schedule and we'll see what happens as
they get to the SEC. But for a guy in
Brentonventibles who's had to prove some stuff, that was a
pretty good first prove it game. All right, let's get
to this weekend slate and get some of your thoughts.
(19:58):
Let's start with Bama.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Kay.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I mean again, I don't. I think they were great
Game one against Florida State, but no one knows how
good Florida State is. Right, they have Wisconsin coming in.
Last year, they just overwhelmed Wisconsin. What happens this year?
Speaker 5 (20:16):
I look, I would expect something similar, but you know,
most people are saying that, me included. I have not
watched a ton of Wisconsin. I just don't what I
have seen of them, it's more of the same. I
don't really know what the Wisconsin offensive identity is, which
is just a crazy thing to be asking about a
Luke Fickletem. That's the last question I thought I would
have about him at Wisconsin multiple years in. So here's
(20:39):
what should happen, Doug. What should happen is what happened
last year. They should overwhelm them. They get Ryan Williams
back this weekend. They should be multiple. Offensively, they should
be balanced, They should strike the ball carrier. They should
be able to shed blocks and not let interior linemen
up to the second level. Defensively, all that should happen
they should have happened against Florida State. Although I do
(21:01):
grant your point there that we don't really know what
Florida State is. It could be a top ten team
for all we know. You know, it's funny you bring
this game up first because there are like half a
dozen bigger games on the radar, yet this one's the
one that kind of fascinates me because if Bama, if
that week one thing was just a one off for them,
you know, if everyone's just got one of those in
the bag this year, just a complete and total no show,
(21:23):
clunker type of effort, and that was theirs. We'll know
it this weekend. But if some of the same critical
issues show themselves again this weekend, and you know Bama's
next game is on the road at Georgia, they start
diving into conference play, well then you got, well exactly
what I said, you got critical issues. So that one's
going to go under the radar. It's kind of like
Vandy South Carolina. They're really critical games. They'll be overlooked,
(21:46):
but I'll have at least one eye glued to those things.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Stug Gottlip Show here on Fox Sports Trader. That's the
great Josh Pate who covers college football. He's got the
Josh Paid College Football Show, right, I mean, it's the name. Kids,
it's it's in the name. I'm you.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
Well, you just you, you just spelled it out. We
had a big brainstorming meeting about a year ago. I mean,
I'm talking about smart people in the room, Doug way
smarter than me. And they're they're saying, what do we
call this show? Did we change the name of the show?
And I said, well, what are you trying to do?
They said, well, we're trying to make it SEO friendly.
And I said, well, what do people search if they
don't know the name of the show, Well, they probably
(22:30):
searched Josh Paton's College Football Show. And I said, there's
your name. And you would have been proud of me
because I said it. And I stood up and walked
out of the room, and.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Sure enough, there you drop. You dropped the mic.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
I dropped the mic on them.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Uh, Georgia Tennessee, All right, this is this is college football, right,
Georgia Tennessee.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
Go, it's beautiful. I'm going to be there. I cannot wait.
All right, So nine or no, eight years in a row?
Speaker 1 (22:55):
George First, where you stand? Where you stand?
Speaker 5 (23:00):
I am, dude, I can't even remember. Somewhere in Knoxville,
I can't even remember which hotel. Is it important? Do
you have a go to.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
No, No, at the Thompson I think it was that Thompson.
What is the no it's a Tennessee and the I
think it's I can't remember. There's a cool one downtown
that's a I just I didn't know if you had
a place, like when I go to Knoxville, this is
my spot.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
Yeah, well, I'll tell you what I do. I don't
have a spot from a hotel perspective. But Bill Martin's
the sid there. Great dude. Anytime I go to a
Tennessee game, he has this ritual where he goes up
on the top top top of the Tennessee Press spots
Saturday at sunrise. It's overlooking the river there and you
just get to take in one of the great views
(23:39):
in the southeast. Still steam coming off the river, and
you know you've got a big game coming up, and
like the river's on one side of you, an empty
doscile Kneeland Stadium with all the pom poms handed outs
on the other side. So that's great. I look forward
to that. They haven't been able to throw the ball
vertically on Georgia at all. They also haven't been able
to run it great. One of the big misnomers is
(24:02):
Tennessee can't match physicality. I'm telling you, dude, I've stood
on the field for this game last year too. It
was one of the most hard hitting games I've ever seen.
Georgia knows that. Their coaching staff echoed that afterwards. Tennessee
can match physicality. Tennessee's fully committed to running the ball.
What they have to do with Joey Aguilar, who's the
quarterback instead of Niko Iamaliaba, is they got to pop
(24:24):
Georgia through the air early. They got to at least
establish the threat of the deep ball. That's how you
beat Saving at Bama. That's how you beat Kirby at Georgia.
You gotta be able to precision past them and make
them respect that you didn't just accidentally do it early
in the game. If they can do that, Doug, there
are a lot of questions about this Georgia team too.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Now.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
For all I know, they're well on the way to
answering them. But the right side of the offensive line
has been iffy so far. They've run the ball better
than they did last year, but that's been against inferior
competition too. You got a new quarterback that seemed a
little gun shy to me. That's going on the road
in Neeland. Tennessee grabbed a ten to nothing lead on
them last year and then Georgia raced them, had an
(25:06):
eleven to one edge on pass plays of fifteen plus
yards down the field. That was Carson Beck. He's gone now.
So if Georgia can't get it going, you might be
looking at a rock fight there. And contrary to popular beliefs,
Tennessee would be fully comfortable in that.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
A and M goes on the road to Notre Dame.
Last year, Irish came in and got a win. Why
would this year be any different for Notre Dame or
for tet for A and M welcome.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Yeah, So they're going to have to prove to me
that it is. To shortly answer your question, a little
bit more extended version is I think you probably, like
most of us, including me, we watched Notre Dame Miami
week one, and Miami really got after Notre Dame's offensive line.
Not used to seeing that. That's the hallmark, I mean,
that's the strength, that's the core that team, and you
(25:55):
kind of find yourself saying, you know, I mean Miami's
got aliens everywhere in their front. Maybe that was just
Miami's going to do that to most people. Well, here's
the thing about the A and M matchup for Notre Dame.
This is probably going to be the second best defensive
front they face all year. So there is a world
where they get after Notre Dame as well, and they
(26:16):
sort of, you know, throw that timing and rhythm into
a blender as well. I thought CJ. Carr validated himself
as being the starting quarterback pretty well for Notre Dame.
You know, some of these other guys like you know
Underwood last week, Aguilar this week, they got indoctrinated against
the big boy defenses. Well, CJ. Carr already had that
(26:37):
on the road at Miami, and then they had a
bye week. It's a weird season where Notre Dame had
a week two by and so they've just been sitting
there and wounded animal mode, waiting for A and M
to come in the beauty in this game. Doug is
A and M has looked at this game last year
and said they came into our building and used the
identity that we're trying to build here. Last year was
(26:59):
oko first year at A and M, so they have
built a three headed monster at tailback. A and M
thinks they've got the better offensive line. A and M
believes they can go into someone else's building and lean
on them. Notre Dame believes the exact same thing about themselves,
and they're in desperation mode. A lot of them are
calling this a must win game already in Week three,
Game two. So I love it, dude. I think A
(27:21):
and M can go in there and trade punches with them.
A and M has just not won these games, so
until proven otherwise, they got to show me that they
can win one of these big games.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
I mean, that's the story of Texas A and M.
Right as is every year it feels like there's hype
in every year they let you down and in one
of those big games. Sometimes it happens at home, like
it did last year. That's probably the maybe more interesting part,
where you have Kyle Field's this incredible place and should
be intimidating. Yet why does A and M lose these
home games? Arkansas Ole Miss Arkansas two very uneven games? Right, Obviously,
(28:01):
they put up a bunch of points last week, but
it wasn't necessarily pretty for a guy in Tailing Green
who started off the season just hot as all get
out through a couple of early picks in last week's game.
But this is trying to save your coaching job, old
Miss coming off a big road wind over Kentucky. Any
chance Old Miss overlooks Arkansas.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
Yeah, they overlook Kentucky last year. Absolutely, they could overlook Arkansas.
But let me let me just present another possible scenario
to you. What if they're not overlooking them and Arkansas
is just a little bit better than we thought they were.
I mean, they're screaming, they're screaming as loud as they
can in Fayetville that everyone's forgotten. They've got a quarterback there.
(28:42):
You mentioned them in Tayling Green. He doesn't get a
lot of run in the SEC circles because people don't
expect anything from that team. But I mean, you and
I know you got one hundred and thirty six of
these teams out there, so you're gonna have a handful
of them that shot you every year. It's just there's
no skill, or there's little skill in figuring out which
one it's going to be. Well, the Old Miss their
(29:05):
defensive front for a portal reliant team. The funny thing
about Old Miss is they've got a defensive front that's
entirely They're entirely homegrown. They recruited them, they developed them there,
they got portal guys everywhere else. That defensive front can
get after you. The problem is, I'm not sure I
really buy their offensive line, and so if someone comes
in there with with good enough matchups, good enough defensive skill,
(29:27):
desperate enough, they can make life hard. Kentucky just did
it again to Old Miss last week. They got beat
but it wasn't easy for Old Miss last week. So
you know, Kentucky that have a quarterback Arkansas does, so
it's not to me the biggest shock in the world.
If we turn that thing on Saturday and that's a
fourth quarter game as well.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
That'd be crazy. Again. I'm I'm I'm here for it.
I want Arkansas to be better than we thought. I
just gotta see it consistently because they you know, they
just fell apart so much last year and in previous
couple of years. What do we do with South Florida
If they beat Miami, Well.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
What should you and I do? You and I should
rank them? As the number one team in the country,
what will the AP do. I don't know they make
the top fifteen. If someone watches the game for once,
I guess maybe I you know, I do the power
rating stuff. I don't really do the ranking stuff. And
this is why, because I don't really think the ratings
or the rankings rather are done with the pure intentions.
(30:31):
If it's just judge and body of word. And these
cats have beaten Boise State, Florida on the road, Miami
on the road, you obviously don't have a better looking
resume out there anywhere. But people can't shake preconceived notions
out of their mind, even in the presence of on
field results. So what I would do is I would
(30:52):
look at him and I would say, I can't believe
Alex Golis doesn't already have a P four job, And
he has had opportunity. He's been very selective. Some are
all at two lanes another one. He's been very selective.
So those guys are very sharp. They know they don't
need to go anywhere. They're fine where they are. They
can stay there indefinitely. But just in the interest of
(31:12):
just on the field this year, I mean, we're used
to talking about the G five team getting in because
there's an automatic G five spot for the playoff. Well,
if they win this weekend, you're talking about building a
resume that matches up with anyone else, and they start
to give themselves not only the potential to make the playoffs,
but let's just say randomly, they didn't end up winning
(31:34):
their conference or something like that, they may have an
outside shot and having an at large resume at that point.
And that's not a conversation I thought I'd ever have.
Unless the playoffs built to like thirty teams.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
That's crazy at large at South Florida and do it
this quick. Now we'll see Gay, it could be just
one win over Florida boyse. He might not be that good,
so we but man, was that that's import You go
on the swamp to get a win. And now if
they go get Miami as well, that's crazy. Josh and
Joy Knoxville can't wait to hear your thoughts on real
(32:07):
SEC football getting ready to take on this weekend. Thanks
to our guest, I appreciate it, sir.
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politics occasionally here, but Charlie Kirk has been shot at
a at a one of you know, he does these
(33:05):
I don't want to say it's a rally, but where
he'll challenge people's opinions in an open form. He was
at Utah Valley, which is the biggest university in the
state of Utah. And again I'm just reading reports that
he was shot. There's video out there of it. His
condition is unknown. Obviously you're sending out any sort of
thoughts and prayers to help him heal be okay for
(33:28):
his family. But you know, we talked a little bit
about was it Lamar Jackson Chase two who posted something.
Did he post something about like one of his one
of his rants or something on social media?
Speaker 3 (33:41):
No?
Speaker 4 (33:41):
No, he just he just reposted one of Charlie Kirk's tweets.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
It was something very offensive like God saves Jesus.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Or oh that's that's what it was. Yeah, And I
think at the I like, how are people offended by that?
Don't know? Look and look, he's a guy who they
do these debates and he lights people up, lights people
up with his opinion. It's an educated opinion on matters
(34:18):
of politics. I don't agree with many of his opinions.
But I also think it's absolutely horrific that we were
in this incredible country and you know we had was
it two representatives in Minnesota killed her this year? Is
that right?
Speaker 5 (34:38):
Right?
Speaker 1 (34:39):
I mean, what are we doing anyway, Let's get you
back to sports. Just know that we're not ostriches. Head
in the sand. Whatever side of the political aisle you're on,
you know this is not the way. Here's game time
with Dan Buyer. This is sorry, Dan, what are you
(35:02):
gonna do? We're doing the Midway next. That's supposed to
be fun. Sorry Dan? Oh and you had like two minutes.
Speaker 7 (35:10):
My bad, No, it's just I just I feel to
play a game after that news.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
It's just it's a little tricky. But anyway, we'll soldier on.
All right. The game today is for better or worse?
Speaker 7 (35:26):
Okay, this is where Doug says something is better or
worse than the other fan base, Philadelphia versus Boston. Now
this after the Phillies fans stole the ball from another
Phillies fan in the Marlins game last week, and I
was gonna do New York, but I felt that Boston
was more of the.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Yep, you're right, you nailed it. Yeah, there's a parallel.
Phillies are worse. Philadelphia fans are the worst.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Yea, even to their own fans, their own players.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Correct, correct, all.
Speaker 7 (35:53):
Right, Doug? For better or worse loss in Week one?
Ravens falling to the Bills or the Chiefs lost to
the Chargers. What was better or worse?
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Ravens? Uh, Ravens loss was better than the Chiefs because
Ravens had the big lead and then gave it away.
Whereas the Chiefs they didn't look great all night, right,
couldn't really do much to Justin Herbert all night, and
they're just limited offensively and then worth they got hurt.
I would say the Ravens loss is better.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
All right?
Speaker 7 (36:23):
Looking ahead the week two, we got a Monday night
football double header. For better or worse the matchups Bucks
against Texans or your Chargers against the Raiders.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
I'm not Chargers, Raiders, Raiders, Chargers, Good night, now right,
it was SoCal versus Local, now it's Vegas versus La. Yeah,
it's Chargers Raiders is better.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
The Raids, all right?
Speaker 7 (36:52):
In this off the heels of talking with Josh Pates
about college football for better or worse college football loss,
losing by one or losing by sixty six?
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Oh, losing by one?
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Still all right?
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Yeah, there's no we're losing by sixty six, Like no,
we just can't say, well, you know that one thing
at Nope, Nope, No, I was.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
No, by one is worse yep. And that's game time.
That's game.
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