May 22, 2018 • 40 mins
Doug admits he might have been wrong at first, but he's starting to think Tom Brady skipping out on OTA's is a big deal. He also thinks Rockets coach Mike D'Antoni is trying to cover for his player he says the pressure is on the Warriors. NBA Insider and Fox Sports Radio Host Chris Mannix joins the show to explain how the Cavaliers have come back to tie the series 2-2 against the Celtics.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the best of the Doug Gottlieb Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Boom Up America. Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox
Sports Radio. Man, do we have some awesome stuff for you?
Talk about what we saw and did not see in
the Calves win tip to finish win over the Boston Celtics.
(00:22):
Got an update on the Colin Kaepernick collusion case, why
there might not actually be a case that upcoming. Got
a little baseball for you, Man, Do we have a
great show. I could not be happy about this show, Um,
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but I want to start with with this. I was
going through teams today and I was trying to figure
out you know, look, I have mostly brushed aside the
fact that Tom Brady isn't an O T A S. Hey,
Rob Gronkowski not being an O T S. I told
you a long time ago. That's about money. Nothing else
we can say. Well, it's about Mgan Bowler, it's about
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his treatment, it's about having fun or whatever. No, it's not.
If you if you get We're gonna talk a little
later about Bryce Harper and potential landing spots for Bryce
Harper this upcoming offseason. If you hire Scott Boris as
your agent in Major League Baseball nine and a half
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times in ten that the statement that is sent out,
the statement that is set that is set out to
every Major League Baseball team is we are going to
the highest bidder. If Boris is your agent, you're going
to the highest bidder. If Drew Rosenhouse is your agent,
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you want more money. Okay, So I'm not freaking out
about Rob Gronkowski. We've seen skill players. We've seen guys
that have had injuries. He has a viable excuse by
the way Gronk run long, get open. Now, from a
football perspective, Tom Brady missing O T A S doesn't
mean much of anything. Eighteen years he's been there. He
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is the same offensive coordinator. He he probably wouldn't be
doing a ton And the mental reps aren't necessarily going
to pay off in the fall and definitely not in
the winter. And there is a need for a certain
mental refresher, right, like everybody needs to. I don't know
if you guys know this, but I think I've taken
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uh a handful of days off in the year in
which I've been on radio. Now I've been off of
this show, but oftentimes I still work right I'll do
Colin show or I'll do Dan Patrick show. So the
point is that there is that will come a time
here soon we're like, man, I just I need a
mental refresher day. And I don't blame Brady for that.
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But I was going through all of the teams in
the NFL on the way here. It's not a big deal,
but it's a huge deal. Wait, that's contradictory, is it.
The Buffalo Bills have three quarterbacks in our contract? How
many of them are at O T s? Three Mimi Dolphins?
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Same thing, New York Jets, same thing, The Steelers, the Ravens,
the Bengals, the Browns. A matter of fact, I look
through all thirty two teams. I noticed only one starting
quarterback isn't an O T A S. His name Tom Brady.
And of course backups have to be there even if
the starters are not, because backups have to always be
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ready and always be stable. How many backups are in
camp all thirty two, including Brian Hoyer, the backup to
Tom Brady. Heck, you go through third string quarterbacks. Forget
about rookies and free agents, guys that are still under contract,
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some guys that don't even have numbers and yet have
names on the back of their jerseys. They're all in camp.
If we admit that at this point in time, every
team carries at least three quarterbacks, and there are thirty
two teams by my math, that's quarterbacks five of them
R O, T A S. The only one that is
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not is Tom Brady. So do I think it hurts
them in the fall in football season. I don't. I
think it has no real effect on their opening season
game against the Texans, or their first road game against
the Jags, or their second road game against the Lions,
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or hell, even when they go to to take on
the Packers on the fourth of no of November. None
of these have any sort of effect on Tom Brady's performance.
But there's some statement being made when other guys show
up at work and you don't. And of course others
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have pointed out that Brady in the past talked about
how the reps are in fact important, the team building
is important, the leadership is important. He is making a statement.
One of the worst part about it, we'll never know
what that statement is. My guest remains that he's trying
to have some sort of work life balance that he
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becomes imbalanced in terms of is worth work life ratio
when he's in the season. You combine that with the
potential post career setbacks because of hits to the head,
not that he's had him, but the but the the
push between him, between he and Giselle. Remember, Giselle as
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a supermodel no longer has to grind, She doesn't have
to show up early. When if somebody wants Giselle bunched
in to do a photo shoot, then Giselle bunched in
can pick the time and the location. And she's not
exactly used to the fact that that's not the case
in the NFL. She wants him to fight for his solidarity.
She wants him, she wants him to fight for his independence.
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She wants him at some point to either retire or
call his own shots, which is just not the way
of the National Football League. So the best that he
can do is when it says voluntary volunteer to not
show up. Could it be about treatment? Could it be
about pay? Could it be about Malcolm Butler? It could?
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I think it's more likely that it's about based upon
the people I've talked to him trying to find a
balance between being in his forty a father of a
couple who actually wants to be there for them in
the off season because it's hard in the regular season.
But make no mistake about it, when there's nineties six
guys do it work and show up, and you're the
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most decorated, you're the most r and you decide I'm
going to be the one guy that doesn't show up,
especially when you have in the past. I don't think
this is a big deal from a football sense. I
do think it's a big deal. It's that it doesn't
happen to every guy. Deal right. I couldn't said any
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to offer up a guest as to why you think
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Tom Brady is doing this. I think, as we've talked
about before, you know his contract situation, his age, and
where he's at in the NFL. It's sort of his
only play, and he's always been a patriot guy who's
done things the right way. And I think that that's
what has led to so much success for them is
Bill Belichick has sort of built this team based off
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of discipline and attention to detail, and Tom Brady being
their best player for as long as he has been,
has always been the perfect soldier to help fulfill that plan.
And now Brady realizes the only one thing he has
is this to create leverage, because none of us truly
think that he is going to demand a trade or
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try and sit out of regular season games or anything
like that. So the one thing he can do is
skip out on O t a S. In voluntary workouts. Yeah, yeah,
it's it's it's trying to control what he actually control
because he's so out of control at other points in time.
It's fair, very fair. It's kind of like, I don't know,
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if you're if you're trying to like punish your kid,
there's only like so many things you can do. If
they're doing something you can see, you're just like, I
don't know, I'll take the cell phone because I don't know.
Maybe they'll learn that way. Well, let's see what Let's
see what this is Bill Belichick's reaction to Brady up
being there. Have you guys spoken in propone about the
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people that aren't here. The guys that are here are improving,
they're working hard, and those the guys are gonna focus on. Okay, icy,
Icy again. I want to make sure that I point
this out. I don't think it affects their ability to
win the division. I think this is one of those
It's a statement being made. Right. Wives make statements, husbands
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make statements. Bosses make statements. You know, you do something
questionable and your boss made Dania make Collie out in
front of your fellow employees. Why not because of what
you did? That was but he has to feel like
he has to make a statement. There is something amiss
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that Tom Brady feels the need to make a statement.
That's what he's doing. Be sure to catch live editions
of The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three m
Eastern noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I
Heart Radio app. Let's catch up with NBA veteran Olden
Polonies who joins us? All right, so what's the real
deal with this series? Why is such a difference between
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the games in Boston and the games in Cleveland. From
your perspective, well, home, home cooking, that's all it is.
It's home cooking. Boston had the first two at home,
and they did what they were supposed to do in
Cleveland with their backs against the wall. Then what they
have to do. You know, you notice everybody picked up
their game on their own home flock as that you know,
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we're having bad games on the road. They went home,
and I think it's gonna reverse again, Boston. It's gonna
end up winning Game five and so on. I think
it's why it's gonna end up going to game seven
and then and then and then if you have the
best player, and they have the best player in the
series by by a good margin, you end up winning
the series. Right, Yeah, well in a game seven, yes,
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but he's gonna have to do the same things the
rest of the way. He can't just you know, pick
and choose. Like the Game Too. One was the one
that was the most interesting to me, you know, was
that game the first game one we knew he was
going to come out, and you know, the games at
home he's played well, but the Game Too, for some reason,
he looked really disengaged. And I think that took it
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away from his teammates as well, because it's like if
all leader our best raids not engaged, and uh, we
can't win. Um. I've heard a lot of crazy statements. Um,
but do you feel like there are people that that
want failure from Kyrie? Like look when the when the
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Celtics wrote two games and none, you had people saying that, well,
they don't need Kyrie. You can trade Kyrie Irving. He
could be a free agent at the end of next year.
It's almost like, because Kyrie left the show and now
we don't have the two super teams, that there's a
little bit of Maybe this is more fans, but I
do sense there's some other bitterness towards Kyrie Irving, to which,
even if it was proved to be um an incorrect statement,
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there are at least a substantial portion of people that
want Rosier to be as good as Kyrie, to prove
Kyrie wasn't that important. Oh that's a major fallacy. Um.
I'll take Kyrie Irving all day, every day against Terry Rosier,
no dispect to Terry, but Kyrie is the better player.
We know that, and this series is a different series.
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If Kyrie plays. Let's get that straight right there, and
I think Boston definitely probably would have, you know, would
have swept them, not even a probably definitely would have
swept them because they're doing all this with two of
them top players out, you know, And to me, that's
the thing people are not seeing going to here and
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went out the beginning of the season. Kyrie went out
in the middle of the season. And these guys are
in the in the Eastern Conference finals. Do you take
Lebron off of Cleveland. Well, we already know what would happen,
so they can't afford it. But Boston was able to
sustain got one but two injuries, and to me that
that speaks well and bowes well for them as a team.
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So looking forward to the future or they they pretty
much like going to control the Eastern Conference. It does,
in fact feel that way. Old and Polonies JOHNI has
Doug Gatlip show, Fox Sports Radio. All right, what about tonight,
let me play you with Mike D'Antoni, Romos. Do you
know what Mike D'Antoni had to say. D'Antoni was asked
about about the pressure being on the Houston Rockets to
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win tonight. Members game four tonight, and he had this
to say right now to me, Bol say that has
all the pressure and they're still they gotta windom at night.
You know, we should come in with a little bit
of a swagger and get up in our game and
see what getting Yeah. So yeah, you know when you
hear D'Antoni say that, what's your reaction of, Well, I
heard that this morning and I started laughing very very hard,
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because that's that's a coach in panic. Okay, there's no
pressure on the Warriors. That's why the thing is that
they did this year. They took the pressure off of
themselves because they had been to three finals already, and
so rather than have pressure of being having the best record,
they said, you know what, we'll just basically not say
they they did it on purpose, but they had a
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mental look at it and say, hey, this is gonna
be better for us if we don't blind for the
regular season. Let's just get to the playoffs. So the
pressure is on the team with the best record, just
like it was on them when they won seventy three games.
They had to win the title and they didn't and
they were ridiculed. So the pressure is totally on Houston.
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You had home court advantage, you gave it away. You
have the best record, and you're down to one. So
the pressure is on Houston, it's not on Golden State.
I completely agree with you, and I almost feel like
he's trying to convince his team right that that he
has because you know how it is op some guys,
you're telling this pressure on him, and they step up
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their game, they completely change. Some guys they start forcing
things and and and playing playing away in which you're
not going to be productive for the team. It feels
like the only reason he would say that is because
he has some players that don't welcome that pressure exactly,
and he's at least smart enough to know that about
his players. He has two in particular who have not
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done well under pressure. And I'm speaking of James Hard
and Chris Paul. They don't do well. Trevor Reason will
do well under pressure. You don't have the say anything
to him. Even Peter Tuck it. You know, he's never
been in these kind of situations. They don't do well
under pressure because he's a tough, hard those kind of guy.
But Chris Paul and Say's Home they all welcome pressure too. Much.
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Olden Polinies joining us in the Doug Gottlip Show. Can
they or maybe maybe more importantly, will they beat uh?
Igo Dolla is limited, but he's been uh he's been upgraded,
uh from well from doubtful to what you know. I
think they're expecting him to play. Um, what's your thoughts
on the likelihood of Houston going in there and getting
a win. They're not gonna win. I call it this
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in five Warrior isn't gonna win tonight. You know, step
is back. It's just kind of crazy. You know there's
a step is back, but step is back. I believe
the Warriors went tonight and then they go into Houston
and finish them out. H STU got then show here
on Fox Sports Radio. Olden Polonies is joining us. How
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do you look? How do you view the Kevin Durant
and Lebron James in terms of not historically historically Lebron
has had a better career and been dominant for longer
as of right now, who do you think is the
more effective player? I believe Lebron is, But at the
same time, I say that Kevin Durant is just as
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effective for his team. I think Lebron's um um, what
he's done is more encompassing because of the team and
the city behind. It's it's a it's on a bigger scale.
But I think Durant is just as important to the
Warriors as anybody. And so you know, it's I hate,
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you know, doing the comparisons because it's always hard to do,
you know, and right now the only reason that we're
able to do it a little bit now is because
they're both playing right now. You know, I I don't
do the errors and all that stuff because that's totally
a no. No. Look, it's you make a great point.
We we oftentimes can get out of the Jordan versus
Lebron because it's a different era. The rules are different,
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the styles are different, the personnel is different. Right. There
no power forwards really now in basketball that would be
the type of guys and Marcus Morris when a few
power forwards remaining in the game in terms of size,
and he just shoots more threes than they used to.
But outside of that, there's no But the point is
it's hard to compare errors, but it's also hard to
compare same era, different situation, right exactly, same very different situations.
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Different players, different bodies, types, different positions, and one thing
I will say is this, and I've told people, here's
another way you can look at it. To me, Kevin
Durant is the only player in basketball that if I
said you can only do one specific thing to average thirty,
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he's the only one that to do it. If you
said you can only shoot all three pointers, he can
do it all. Post stuffs, he can do it all.
Pull up jumpers for two. He can do it all,
grab the rebound, bring the ball up, pull up whatever
it is, whatever you specify, He's the only one, in
my personal opinion, that could do that in average points.
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Great stuff, old policies. Thanks so much for joining us,
but I appreciate it all right. Thanks Scott old O
p joining us here on the Doug Outlet Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports
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Heart Radio app. Aaron Rodgers has this desire to be honest,
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which is fantastic for us. Now, Ben Roth's Burger has
the same desire to be honest. But then Ben Roethlisberg
gets pushed back and he completely changes his mind. So, uh,
here's the deal. Aaron Rodgers was asked about the possibility
of bringing in Dez Bryant. That's because Jason Witten, who's
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now the voice, He's now the color analyst for Monday
Night Football, which is really remarkable stuff. Jason Witten has
offered exactly zero important or repeated quotes in a fifteen
year pro career. Like his pro career with the Cowboys
has coincided with my professional career covering national sports, and
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not one time did I ever say, you know what
Jason Witten said. Now, he may be great as an analyst,
he may be unbelievable, But the idea that Jason Witten
is a big name like Okay, sure where they win
one playoff game. He's a great player, a great all
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time Cowboy. He had exactly zero quotable quotes in his
fifteen year career. The first thing we've ever quoted him
on is a podcast with Adam Shafter to which he
said he's gonna end up with the Packers right. Talking
about Dez Bryant, Aaron Rodgers said, we like young wide receivers,
so I'm assuming that's the way they're gonna keep going,
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I don't know why you'd cut Jordy Nelson and bringing Dez,
but he's a talented player, is gonna end up somewhere.
If he ends up here, obviously we welcome him with
open arms, get him up to speed as quick as possible.
And Rodgers is like, dude, we're not signing Dez Bryant,
who's a pain in the ass, a bad rat runner,
and is over the hill after we got rid of
Jordy Nelson, who was a great route runner and one
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of the all time great human beings in Packer history. Noted, noted.
Then there's Ben Roethlisberger, who does say what he thinks
until he realizes he should keep his mouth shut. Uh.
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Ben Roethlisberger, remember when um, when he was asked on
a radio show that his Steelers could have used to
pick for a win now player, he said he might
have to point to the playbook if he asked the question. Now.
Ben Roethlisberger, who I mean, back pedals faster than any
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great cornerback in NFL history, had this to say. I
think people took some things that I said into a
context that I was going to be mean or rude
or whatever, and that was not at all if you
listen to the whole conversation of it and said, just
in laughing and having fun. So I've never been the
type to just be rude or mean to other quarterbacks.
He passed, you know, Jones, And I've had a lot
of quarterbacks to here that've been younger and me that
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I'm trying to help anyway that I can. So, um,
you know I'll continue to do that. Wait, what he's like?
People thought I'd be mean to him. No, we heard
exactly what you said. Why are you drafting a third
rounder instead of somebody that can help us win? Now
that's what you said, correct. And then you were the
one who said and maybe that's where you're joke, and
I'd point to the playbook, but you did say it.
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You did all these things are thinking he took out
of context? Now we took in the right context. You
said you wish they would have drafted a player that
can win now instead of a backup. What was the
context ben of when you said you weren't fully committed
to coming back thinking about retirement. Where was that context? Guys,
trying to contextualize conversations to which we understand that we
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fully understand what you're saying. Okay, Rothinsburger didn't say any
of that, but he does have this Aaron Rodgers thing
to where he says it, but then instead of owning it,
he always does the just kidding, I just playing. He
took me out of context, whereas Aaron Rodgers His I
don't give a you know what is that in the
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is as high as anybody's in the game. Here's this
direct quote, and it wasn't from an obscure source. This
was at his press conference today. Man, we like, we
like young receivers, so I'm assuming the way we're gonna
keep that's the way we're gonna keep going. I don't
know why you'd cut Jordy and bring in Dez. He's
a talented player, and now, of course he says nice things.
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He's gonna end up somewhere. If he ends up here,
we obviously will welcome open him, welcome ing with open arms,
get him up to speed as quick as possible. It
is yeah that any other quarterback or most other quarterbacks
would go like, hey, we love to have Daz. Anybody
wants to play here. Great players we'd love to have. Instead,
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he gives the thoughtful answer kind of tweaking them about,
like why would you cut Jordy Nelson to bring in
Dez Bryant. Be sure to catch live editions of The
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Sometimes people make statements for the opposite meaning of what
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they actually say, like and ramas you can, you can
maybe attest to this, there will be a time in
your marriage and I Dan hasn't been married long enough.
And Dan such a good dude. I probably doesn't happen
to him like it's happened to me. But your wife
gets really upset and she says, just please leave me alone. Right,
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And you think leave me alone, like we're guys, Like
you mean leave me alone? Like okay, cool, I mean
all right, I'll talk to you later. But that's not
actually what they mean. They mean the opposite of that.
They say leave me alone, but they want you to
come in and say sorry and then just hear them
talk and listen and just be there for them. I know.
It's super confusing because guys just don't operate that way,
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or at least I don't operate that way. But there
will be a time in your relationship where your wife
will say leave me alone, and she means the opposite
of that. That's what Mike d'An toni did to the
media yesterday. Mike D'Anton he was asked about the pressure
on his team down two games to one, the idea
of being down three games to one to a team
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with the firepower of the Golden State Warriors. He offered
this up right now, to me, that's all the pressure
and they're still they gotta windom are nine. You know,
we should come in with a little bit of a
swagger and get up in our game and see we're
getting We should feel good, we should be happy, We
should have a little swagger. We got no pressure here, Like, yeah,
you do. I think I believe that Mike D'Antoni is
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trying to take the pressure off his team that he
feels like that's one of the things hindering some of
their guys is that they're thinking too much about the ramifications.
The last thing he wants is to get into the
fourth quarter in a close game against a team like
the Golden State Warriors and have his team thinking about
every shot and the ramifications of missing those shots. So
he's saying the opposite of what he actually believes, which
(25:58):
is a guy's way of saying, like my wife has
occasionally saying the complete opposite of what she means. Fox
Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation.
Catch all of our shows at Fox sports Radio dot
com and within the I Heart Radio app. Chris mannix
and he's guest hosted for Dan Patrick. He made some
sort of bet with Dan Patrick, but shaving his head,
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he joins us down on the Doug Gallex, so you
can also hear him uh Sundays from noon to three
alongside NBA champion Karen Butler. What was the bet? Well,
the the original bet, Doug was. You know, back in
in November, I wrote a column saying that the Celtics
were gonna win the East. This is like in the
latter stages of that sixteen game winning streak, and um,
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I just said I had seen enough from Cleveland to
make me disbelieve in them. Now a lot changed, of course,
Kyrie went out the Calves bit a bunch of trades.
But you know, here we are in the conference final
with these two teams, and I thought enough of Boston
to say that Dan, that will make that bet go
for wards. So, but that parameters are if self excludes
this series, I have to shave my head. If they win,
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I get to host Dan show with Dan in the
back row. So uh, it's it's it's a lot of
risks but some reward. Yeah. But so there was was
there cheering going on in the press box last night
or booing last night? Were I mean, were you? Were
you upset because now a sudden you have to shave
your head? No? I mean, you know I did say
that Dan and we had a little bit an argument
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that you know, we didn't say when, and I'll probably
do it in August when I could just sort of
hype for for a month month and a half for
I have to reappear in NBA circles. But uh no,
I mean this series close enough that I'm still Uh
I wouldn't say confident, but you know, comfortable making that
bet again. All right, So what what what changed in
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your like? Look? I thought the officiating did change, and
people can well that's not I thought that the Celtics
were incredibly physical and the aggression at home. I thought
that Cleveland just manhandled them. Uh. In Game three, it was.
It was to the point of being a little ridiculous.
And then last night just you know, Marcus Morrison falco
Will barely playing just it was really really hard to
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tell what was a foul, what wasn't a foul. I
did not think it was a well officiated game. But
other than the officiating, what else changed? I mean Game three,
I don't know what you read into that other than
Cleveland came to play and nothing was gonna stop him
in that one. I mean, that was just an avalanche.
And when you see Brad Stevens go to Gershon Yabaselli
in the first quarter, Greg Monroe in the first quarter,
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you know he's searching for something to stem that. But games,
that's the physicality of the Cabs really made the difference.
I mean, they lost the two rebounding battles in Boston, right,
and they go back to Cleveland and they win those
two rebounding battles to create four by double digits up there.
That's Mannix. Hold on real quick, let's let's let's get
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Mannix and he's too good to get him on a
bad cell phone line. Uh, it's we'll recalibrate that in
in a second. Doug Out the show Fox Sports Radio.
By the way, I want to get to the Brett
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Chris Mannox worked for Yahoo Sports. He's an NBA insider.
You could also hear him Sundays from noon to three
Eastern Time, alongside NBA champion Karan Butler. It's called Chris
and Karen. Last week, Um, what they have? They had
uh Wallburger on last week? Right, yeah, but not Donnie Wallburger.
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Now now they had Marky Mark, then Mark, they had
Mark Wallburger. Because Karen travels in those circles. Karwen lives
like in the in the valley. Now was all the
Hollywood types. He had Kobe last week he had you know,
he's he's he's Karen Butler, he's tough shoes. All right,
let's let's get back after it. I don't know what
we lost you, but you said the physicality of the
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calves was a big factor last night. Um. I also
thought that look Terry Rows years look like a backup
and at times the two wings have looked like twenty
year olds for the Boston Celtics that sometimes sometimes there
is a regression to the mean in addition to the
physicality of the older, more veteran cavaliers. I agree with that.
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And my second point was that I thought that ty
Lou had a terrific Games three and four. I mean,
I think his adjustment to put Lebron on Jalen Brown
was effective. I think his adjustment to make Tristan Thompson
basically a shadow of of uh Al Horford was effective. Uh.
We give Brad Stevens a lot of credit when he
pushed the right buttons. We gotta give Tylu the same
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amount of credit when he does the same. So I
thought that was a factor. And you're right, Doug, the
young players they regrets in this series. Uh. And look,
he reminds you of a point that young players tend
not succeed in the playoffs. The Celtics played above their
heads most of the postseason. In these these road games,
not just in this cast series, but in others, they
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have looked like year olds that they are. Doug Gatlers
show Fox Sports Radio. All right, Dan Tony says the
pressure is on Golden State tonight, not on Houston. Do
you agree? No? I mean, let's get real, and the
pressure is on the Rockets. You know, you lose this game,
the series is over. Simple as that, it's gonna be
hard enough to win. You know three of the next
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four games. You're not gonna win three straight to beat
Golden State this game? Is this pressure not just on
the Rockets does It's on James Harden. I mean, this
game is a referendum on James Harden. I mean he's
got a sixty win team, another All Star in his backcourt,
the best supporting cast he's had in his Oklahoma city.
He's got to show up and that might not be enough.
But the pressure in this game is on James Harden
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to perform. I agree, and I've said before I just
I struggled to really enjoy watching him play. Some of
it is obviously the defense, and it's not just a defense, like, look,
Steph Curry is not a great defender. But there doesn't
seemed to be the give up the ratio of of
give up to play hard that there is. Harden gets
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beat and it's just all right, I'm kind of done
with that defensive possession. Whereas you you don't see that
as much from Steph and then you know, I think
some of it is body language stuff. Well that's fair
unfair there there is kind of a different sort of
maybe almost aloofness to his body language that that I
don't love. Um, you know, ah well, let me just
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say this, Doug about about Harden. He doesn't look as
gas as he looks in last year's playoffs, but there
does seem to be a little fatigue. I've seen the
last couple of games, and then that's a disaster for
Houston because the Warriors can survive a faulty Steph Curry,
a gas Steph Curry, the Rockets cannot survive a James
Harden is not completely agree with you. What what change
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with Steph Curry. I don't know that that anything changed necessarily.
It does feel like he's continuing to round back into shape,
been get his rhythm back. I mean, we're kind of
used to Steph coming off injury and playing great. Right
early in the season. He came off that uh, the
ankle injury and set the league on fire for a
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few weeks. The reality is, when you come off an injury,
there's there's a curve, right, I mean, you've got to
get your your rhythm back, and meanwhile, you're playing with
a guy in Durant who is you know, on fire
offensively and consuming a lot of the offensive oxygen out there.
So I think he just, you know, finally cut a
little bit of a rhythm in that second half the
other night, and there's no reason to believe that can't continue. Now.
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The Rockets will do some creative thing to try to
force him into tough spots, but he's a two time
m v P for a reason. I think he plays
a great game tonight. I tend to as well. I
also think we may see something Clay Thompson. I know
he's been on Areza Island most of this series, but
it does you think let me ask you this, duck,
do you think this is fun? Like I get no
pleasure out of watch him the Warriors anymore because I'm
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sitting there and I'm not covering the West Finals, but
I'm covering I'm doing the East Files, and it feels
like the bronze medal game, like you know, we're watching,
you know, a coronation. And I know the NBA loves
Superstars and the ratings have been good, but this just
feels bad for the NBA to have you know, the
Warriors just once again on cruise Control. Uh yeah, I do.
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I just what's interesting about it is I still think
there's a there's a bit of a talent gap between
the two. I don't think it's as great as others others,
you know, like in terms of personnel, Like you know,
the Warriors have their benches very young and very limited.
I mean, Ego Dolla might play, might not play. You know,
Draymond is a great role player. He's like the probably
the best true role player in the NBA. But he's
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not a superstar. It's just pieces that fit together so well,
and no one has been able to match kind of
those pieces. So yeah, I don't think this will be
looked at look back on as one of the golden
eras of the NBA, even if this is one of
the dominant teams of NBA history. Well, I think next
year is where it gets interesting, because you know, I
felt at the star of the season that the next
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team to beat Golden State was going to be Boston
in a series. Um, and it might not have happened
this this year and out it's not going to but
the way the Celtics play against them, the game plan
they have, the switch they can do on everything, the
defenders that they have. Um, you couple that with the
offensive firepower they'll have next year with their guys coming
back and the evolution of Tatum and Brown if they
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wind up meeting in the finals next year, to me,
it's a coin flip. Yeah, I I tend to agree
with you. I tend And as we see, like, look,
the you know, Livingston has started to age, Iguodala has aged,
and I'm not sure Like I like Jordan Bell, I
like Cavon Looney, but I'm not sure if they are
going to be you know, replacements. You know, the swaggy
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Pa thing until this series hasn't really worked this year.
And whereas Boston you may not have a Durant of
any of your you know, I think Durant's the best
offensive player in the league, and he's not on the
downward side of his career. You might not have a
Durant to match him, but you can the strength in
numbers that Golden State used to have is kind of
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what feels like Boston will eventually have when everybody's healthy. Yeah,
I agree, And and you know, the the Golden State
series down the line, I think is one big reason
Boston should invest in Marcus Smart moving forward. Now he's
he's a total disaster offensively, I mean, I don't know
if it's if it's all the hand injury. I talked
to him extensively about this last week and he was
sort of pointing to spots on his hand where his
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release has totally changed. I know there's a ring finger
problem with him right now that's causing him a lot
of pain. But he is a train wreck out there offensively,
but defensively, he's a force. And if you if you
have so many offensive weapons like Boston's going to have
next year, having that kind of Swiss Army knife defender
to maybe put on a durant to muscle him to
play against Steph Curry, that's going to be an invaluable asset. Yeah,
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I'll say this, and I love Marcus Smart and he
is he's the ultimate intangible guy. But there's two things. One,
he's never been able to shoot right. To go back
and track for me when he was it what you
want to say, hand injury has heard his development like okay,
but he wasn't. He wasn't. He was never a good shooter,
but before and Um, the other part about Marcus Smart
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is if you know you have a hand injury, why
does he take shots like he's Ray Allen, Like he
comes out hunting first touch, it's going up, which is great.
It kind of part of what makes him him. But
he's not a guy. He's one of those guys that
plays like he's a great shooter even though he's open
for a reason. And it's the isolation stuff too. I
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mean some of it is. You know, I thought the
Caps defense was great the last couple of games, and
they forced Bostontel some isolation plans. But when I see
Marcus Smart kind of stepping back and doing that victorial
the depot stuff from a pacer series, you kind of
have to face palm yourself there because it's that you
know that there's a a ninety percent degree of chance
that's not going to go in. He's not a one
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or one player. What maybe he can be down the
line and you're right, it's gonna take work. I mean,
he cracked for the first time in three years from
three this season. Um, what he needs to be is
just a spot up shooter that you can play, drive
and kick with and he's not even that yet. Yeah,
I agree with you. Okay, so you have Warriors tonight, Yeah,
I mean, how do you bet against him? I mean
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unless the the absence or the injury the aguadala Is
is so significant and and Kevin Looney can't step in,
although they're defensive numbers with Looney e Ben pretty good too.
I don't I don't care how they win. I don't.
Like I said, I'm very curious ab how hard in response,
because if he plays poorly, we'll be talking about this game,
I think for a while. Yeah, and remember last year,
like people forget that they not They didn't just lose
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to the Spurs at home. And was that game? I
think that was Game five? It was they lost the
Spurs at home and uh, and they didn't have the Spurs,
didn't have Kawhi Leonard. That was LaMarcus Aldridge and the
d League team, like not the deal is the summer
league team. It legitimately was like three Summer League players
that whooped up on the rockets of that game. Well,
you brought up his fatigue. Look, one of the reasons
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Oklahoma City was willing to trade him. It wasn't just
the trade demands it was they played in the NBA
finals and he kept going out. He was a disaster
in the finals, and they they told him not go out,
and he kept going out and he was still living
that club life. And They're like, this is just that
he's a hangout guy. We didn't want to have one
hangout guy around our other young stars, and that was
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one of the reasons they chose that. I don't know
if that's the reason for fatigue, or if it's the
amount of times which he has the basketball and I
sell on offense and defense, or it's probably all of
it combined. But I do think there's a there's a
question about whether or not he has the gas in
the tank to carry your team when he has to
carry a team. Yeah, yeah, that. I mean, look, I
I don't know enough about his his social habits to
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say anything on that, but you know, being an isolation
player that takes more energy out of you than being
a sort of like bald movement type of team. I mean,
having to carry that responsibility is huge and and look,
I mean you're probably right about whatever happened there in
Oklahoma City, but I mean that was a major screw
up by the thunder I mean the Thunder not not
maximum out at that time. And by the way, you know,
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everybody likes to say that James Harden would have said,
give me the responses, to give me my own team.
I want to be an Alpha. Maybe that happens, but
those Thunder coaches that were there at that time, I've
all told me to a man that James Harden loved
being a sixth man, has to be a sixth man.
So I don't know. Maybe it would have come unrabbled
at some point, but I think they would have squeezed
a few years out of heart in the sixth man role. No,
it's it's one of those that's gonna go down as
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the greatest what if team of all time. They had him,
had three m v ps right there, and they chose
to break it up before they ever got to their
got to their prime. And uh you know, um, you
know they yea, the same guy drafted them, so you
gotta give him credit for drafting him. And they've been
able to make it work to a certain extent, but
they also have a limitation that that ceiling has been
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much slower than it would have been had they stayed.
Great stuff Mannix Hopefully you keep your hair. We'll see
what happens in that series. Appreciate you joining us on
Fox Sports Radio. All right, Chris Mannix. Check out Chris
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Got an update on the Colin Kaepernick collusion case, why
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great show. I could not be happy about this show, Um,
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but I want to start with with this. I was
going through teams today and I was trying to figure
out you know, look, I have mostly brushed aside the
fact that Tom Brady isn't an O T A S. Hey,
Rob Gronkowski not being an O T S. I told
you a long time ago. That's about money. Nothing else
we can say. Well, it's about Mgan Bowler, it's about
(01:05):
his treatment, it's about having fun or whatever. No, it's not.
If you if you get We're gonna talk a little
later about Bryce Harper and potential landing spots for Bryce
Harper this upcoming offseason. If you hire Scott Boris as
your agent in Major League Baseball nine and a half
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times in ten that the statement that is sent out,
the statement that is set that is set out to
every Major League Baseball team is we are going to
the highest bidder. If Boris is your agent, you're going
to the highest bidder. If Drew Rosenhouse is your agent,
(01:50):
you want more money. Okay, So I'm not freaking out
about Rob Gronkowski. We've seen skill players. We've seen guys
that have had injuries. He has a viable excuse by
the way Gronk run long, get open. Now, from a
football perspective, Tom Brady missing O T A S doesn't
mean much of anything. Eighteen years he's been there. He
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is the same offensive coordinator. He he probably wouldn't be
doing a ton And the mental reps aren't necessarily going
to pay off in the fall and definitely not in
the winter. And there is a need for a certain
mental refresher, right, like everybody needs to. I don't know
if you guys know this, but I think I've taken
(02:35):
uh a handful of days off in the year in
which I've been on radio. Now I've been off of
this show, but oftentimes I still work right I'll do
Colin show or I'll do Dan Patrick show. So the
point is that there is that will come a time
here soon we're like, man, I just I need a
mental refresher day. And I don't blame Brady for that.
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But I was going through all of the teams in
the NFL on the way here. It's not a big deal,
but it's a huge deal. Wait, that's contradictory, is it.
The Buffalo Bills have three quarterbacks in our contract? How
many of them are at O T s? Three Mimi Dolphins?
(03:19):
Same thing, New York Jets, same thing, The Steelers, the Ravens,
the Bengals, the Browns. A matter of fact, I look
through all thirty two teams. I noticed only one starting
quarterback isn't an O T A S. His name Tom Brady.
And of course backups have to be there even if
the starters are not, because backups have to always be
(03:41):
ready and always be stable. How many backups are in
camp all thirty two, including Brian Hoyer, the backup to
Tom Brady. Heck, you go through third string quarterbacks. Forget
about rookies and free agents, guys that are still under contract,
(04:02):
some guys that don't even have numbers and yet have
names on the back of their jerseys. They're all in camp.
If we admit that at this point in time, every
team carries at least three quarterbacks, and there are thirty
two teams by my math, that's quarterbacks five of them
R O, T A S. The only one that is
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not is Tom Brady. So do I think it hurts
them in the fall in football season. I don't. I
think it has no real effect on their opening season
game against the Texans, or their first road game against
the Jags, or their second road game against the Lions,
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or hell, even when they go to to take on
the Packers on the fourth of no of November. None
of these have any sort of effect on Tom Brady's performance.
But there's some statement being made when other guys show
up at work and you don't. And of course others
(05:06):
have pointed out that Brady in the past talked about
how the reps are in fact important, the team building
is important, the leadership is important. He is making a statement.
One of the worst part about it, we'll never know
what that statement is. My guest remains that he's trying
to have some sort of work life balance that he
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becomes imbalanced in terms of is worth work life ratio
when he's in the season. You combine that with the
potential post career setbacks because of hits to the head,
not that he's had him, but the but the the
push between him, between he and Giselle. Remember, Giselle as
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a supermodel no longer has to grind, She doesn't have
to show up early. When if somebody wants Giselle bunched
in to do a photo shoot, then Giselle bunched in
can pick the time and the location. And she's not
exactly used to the fact that that's not the case
in the NFL. She wants him to fight for his solidarity.
She wants him, she wants him to fight for his independence.
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She wants him at some point to either retire or
call his own shots, which is just not the way
of the National Football League. So the best that he
can do is when it says voluntary volunteer to not
show up. Could it be about treatment? Could it be
about pay? Could it be about Malcolm Butler? It could?
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I think it's more likely that it's about based upon
the people I've talked to him trying to find a
balance between being in his forty a father of a
couple who actually wants to be there for them in
the off season because it's hard in the regular season.
But make no mistake about it, when there's nineties six
guys do it work and show up, and you're the
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most decorated, you're the most r and you decide I'm
going to be the one guy that doesn't show up,
especially when you have in the past. I don't think
this is a big deal from a football sense. I
do think it's a big deal. It's that it doesn't
happen to every guy. Deal right. I couldn't said any
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Tom Brady is doing this. I think, as we've talked
about before, you know his contract situation, his age, and
where he's at in the NFL. It's sort of his
only play, and he's always been a patriot guy who's
done things the right way. And I think that that's
what has led to so much success for them is
Bill Belichick has sort of built this team based off
(08:00):
of discipline and attention to detail, and Tom Brady being
their best player for as long as he has been,
has always been the perfect soldier to help fulfill that plan.
And now Brady realizes the only one thing he has
is this to create leverage, because none of us truly
think that he is going to demand a trade or
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try and sit out of regular season games or anything
like that. So the one thing he can do is
skip out on O t a S. In voluntary workouts. Yeah, yeah,
it's it's it's trying to control what he actually control
because he's so out of control at other points in time.
It's fair, very fair. It's kind of like, I don't know,
(08:44):
if you're if you're trying to like punish your kid,
there's only like so many things you can do. If
they're doing something you can see, you're just like, I
don't know, I'll take the cell phone because I don't know.
Maybe they'll learn that way. Well, let's see what Let's
see what this is Bill Belichick's reaction to Brady up
being there. Have you guys spoken in propone about the
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people that aren't here. The guys that are here are improving,
they're working hard, and those the guys are gonna focus on. Okay, icy,
Icy again. I want to make sure that I point
this out. I don't think it affects their ability to
win the division. I think this is one of those
It's a statement being made. Right. Wives make statements, husbands
(09:30):
make statements. Bosses make statements. You know, you do something
questionable and your boss made Dania make Collie out in
front of your fellow employees. Why not because of what
you did? That was but he has to feel like
he has to make a statement. There is something amiss
(09:52):
that Tom Brady feels the need to make a statement.
That's what he's doing. Be sure to catch live editions
of The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three m
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Heart Radio app. Let's catch up with NBA veteran Olden
Polonies who joins us? All right, so what's the real
deal with this series? Why is such a difference between
(10:15):
the games in Boston and the games in Cleveland. From
your perspective, well, home, home cooking, that's all it is.
It's home cooking. Boston had the first two at home,
and they did what they were supposed to do in
Cleveland with their backs against the wall. Then what they
have to do. You know, you notice everybody picked up
their game on their own home flock as that you know,
(10:36):
we're having bad games on the road. They went home,
and I think it's gonna reverse again, Boston. It's gonna
end up winning Game five and so on. I think
it's why it's gonna end up going to game seven
and then and then and then if you have the
best player, and they have the best player in the
series by by a good margin, you end up winning
the series. Right, Yeah, well in a game seven, yes,
(10:58):
but he's gonna have to do the same things the
rest of the way. He can't just you know, pick
and choose. Like the Game Too. One was the one
that was the most interesting to me, you know, was
that game the first game one we knew he was
going to come out, and you know, the games at
home he's played well, but the Game Too, for some reason,
he looked really disengaged. And I think that took it
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away from his teammates as well, because it's like if
all leader our best raids not engaged, and uh, we
can't win. Um. I've heard a lot of crazy statements. Um,
but do you feel like there are people that that
want failure from Kyrie? Like look when the when the
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Celtics wrote two games and none, you had people saying that, well,
they don't need Kyrie. You can trade Kyrie Irving. He
could be a free agent at the end of next year.
It's almost like, because Kyrie left the show and now
we don't have the two super teams, that there's a
little bit of Maybe this is more fans, but I
do sense there's some other bitterness towards Kyrie Irving, to which,
even if it was proved to be um an incorrect statement,
(12:05):
there are at least a substantial portion of people that
want Rosier to be as good as Kyrie, to prove
Kyrie wasn't that important. Oh that's a major fallacy. Um.
I'll take Kyrie Irving all day, every day against Terry Rosier,
no dispect to Terry, but Kyrie is the better player.
We know that, and this series is a different series.
(12:26):
If Kyrie plays. Let's get that straight right there, and
I think Boston definitely probably would have, you know, would
have swept them, not even a probably definitely would have
swept them because they're doing all this with two of
them top players out, you know, And to me, that's
the thing people are not seeing going to here and
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went out the beginning of the season. Kyrie went out
in the middle of the season. And these guys are
in the in the Eastern Conference finals. Do you take
Lebron off of Cleveland. Well, we already know what would happen,
so they can't afford it. But Boston was able to
sustain got one but two injuries, and to me that
that speaks well and bowes well for them as a team.
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So looking forward to the future or they they pretty
much like going to control the Eastern Conference. It does,
in fact feel that way. Old and Polonies JOHNI has
Doug Gatlip show, Fox Sports Radio. All right, what about tonight,
let me play you with Mike D'Antoni, Romos. Do you
know what Mike D'Antoni had to say. D'Antoni was asked
about about the pressure being on the Houston Rockets to
(13:32):
win tonight. Members game four tonight, and he had this
to say right now to me, Bol say that has
all the pressure and they're still they gotta windom at night.
You know, we should come in with a little bit
of a swagger and get up in our game and
see what getting Yeah. So yeah, you know when you
hear D'Antoni say that, what's your reaction of, Well, I
heard that this morning and I started laughing very very hard,
(13:56):
because that's that's a coach in panic. Okay, there's no
pressure on the Warriors. That's why the thing is that
they did this year. They took the pressure off of
themselves because they had been to three finals already, and
so rather than have pressure of being having the best record,
they said, you know what, we'll just basically not say
they they did it on purpose, but they had a
(14:19):
mental look at it and say, hey, this is gonna
be better for us if we don't blind for the
regular season. Let's just get to the playoffs. So the
pressure is on the team with the best record, just
like it was on them when they won seventy three games.
They had to win the title and they didn't and
they were ridiculed. So the pressure is totally on Houston.
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You had home court advantage, you gave it away. You
have the best record, and you're down to one. So
the pressure is on Houston, it's not on Golden State.
I completely agree with you, and I almost feel like
he's trying to convince his team right that that he
has because you know how it is op some guys,
you're telling this pressure on him, and they step up
(14:59):
their game, they completely change. Some guys they start forcing
things and and and playing playing away in which you're
not going to be productive for the team. It feels
like the only reason he would say that is because
he has some players that don't welcome that pressure exactly,
and he's at least smart enough to know that about
his players. He has two in particular who have not
(15:21):
done well under pressure. And I'm speaking of James Hard
and Chris Paul. They don't do well. Trevor Reason will
do well under pressure. You don't have the say anything
to him. Even Peter Tuck it. You know, he's never
been in these kind of situations. They don't do well
under pressure because he's a tough, hard those kind of guy.
But Chris Paul and Say's Home they all welcome pressure too. Much.
(15:44):
Olden Polinies joining us in the Doug Gottlip Show. Can
they or maybe maybe more importantly, will they beat uh?
Igo Dolla is limited, but he's been uh he's been upgraded,
uh from well from doubtful to what you know. I
think they're expecting him to play. Um, what's your thoughts
on the likelihood of Houston going in there and getting
a win. They're not gonna win. I call it this
(16:06):
in five Warrior isn't gonna win tonight. You know, step
is back. It's just kind of crazy. You know there's
a step is back, but step is back. I believe
the Warriors went tonight and then they go into Houston
and finish them out. H STU got then show here
on Fox Sports Radio. Olden Polonies is joining us. How
(16:27):
do you look? How do you view the Kevin Durant
and Lebron James in terms of not historically historically Lebron
has had a better career and been dominant for longer
as of right now, who do you think is the
more effective player? I believe Lebron is, But at the
same time, I say that Kevin Durant is just as
(16:47):
effective for his team. I think Lebron's um um, what
he's done is more encompassing because of the team and
the city behind. It's it's a it's on a bigger scale.
But I think Durant is just as important to the
Warriors as anybody. And so you know, it's I hate,
(17:09):
you know, doing the comparisons because it's always hard to do,
you know, and right now the only reason that we're
able to do it a little bit now is because
they're both playing right now. You know, I I don't
do the errors and all that stuff because that's totally
a no. No. Look, it's you make a great point.
We we oftentimes can get out of the Jordan versus
Lebron because it's a different era. The rules are different,
(17:30):
the styles are different, the personnel is different. Right. There
no power forwards really now in basketball that would be
the type of guys and Marcus Morris when a few
power forwards remaining in the game in terms of size,
and he just shoots more threes than they used to.
But outside of that, there's no But the point is
it's hard to compare errors, but it's also hard to
compare same era, different situation, right exactly, same very different situations.
(17:52):
Different players, different bodies, types, different positions, and one thing
I will say is this, and I've told people, here's
another way you can look at it. To me, Kevin
Durant is the only player in basketball that if I
said you can only do one specific thing to average thirty,
(18:13):
he's the only one that to do it. If you
said you can only shoot all three pointers, he can
do it all. Post stuffs, he can do it all.
Pull up jumpers for two. He can do it all,
grab the rebound, bring the ball up, pull up whatever
it is, whatever you specify, He's the only one, in
my personal opinion, that could do that in average points.
(18:36):
Great stuff, old policies. Thanks so much for joining us,
but I appreciate it all right. Thanks Scott old O
p joining us here on the Doug Outlet Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports
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Heart Radio app. Aaron Rodgers has this desire to be honest,
(18:57):
which is fantastic for us. Now, Ben Roth's Burger has
the same desire to be honest. But then Ben Roethlisberg
gets pushed back and he completely changes his mind. So, uh,
here's the deal. Aaron Rodgers was asked about the possibility
of bringing in Dez Bryant. That's because Jason Witten, who's
(19:18):
now the voice, He's now the color analyst for Monday
Night Football, which is really remarkable stuff. Jason Witten has
offered exactly zero important or repeated quotes in a fifteen
year pro career. Like his pro career with the Cowboys
has coincided with my professional career covering national sports, and
(19:42):
not one time did I ever say, you know what
Jason Witten said. Now, he may be great as an analyst,
he may be unbelievable, But the idea that Jason Witten
is a big name like Okay, sure where they win
one playoff game. He's a great player, a great all
(20:07):
time Cowboy. He had exactly zero quotable quotes in his
fifteen year career. The first thing we've ever quoted him
on is a podcast with Adam Shafter to which he
said he's gonna end up with the Packers right. Talking
about Dez Bryant, Aaron Rodgers said, we like young wide receivers,
so I'm assuming that's the way they're gonna keep going,
(20:28):
I don't know why you'd cut Jordy Nelson and bringing Dez,
but he's a talented player, is gonna end up somewhere.
If he ends up here, obviously we welcome him with
open arms, get him up to speed as quick as possible.
And Rodgers is like, dude, we're not signing Dez Bryant,
who's a pain in the ass, a bad rat runner,
and is over the hill after we got rid of
Jordy Nelson, who was a great route runner and one
(20:51):
of the all time great human beings in Packer history. Noted, noted.
Then there's Ben Roethlisberger, who does say what he thinks
until he realizes he should keep his mouth shut. Uh.
(21:13):
Ben Roethlisberger, remember when um, when he was asked on
a radio show that his Steelers could have used to
pick for a win now player, he said he might
have to point to the playbook if he asked the question. Now.
Ben Roethlisberger, who I mean, back pedals faster than any
(21:33):
great cornerback in NFL history, had this to say. I
think people took some things that I said into a
context that I was going to be mean or rude
or whatever, and that was not at all if you
listen to the whole conversation of it and said, just
in laughing and having fun. So I've never been the
type to just be rude or mean to other quarterbacks.
He passed, you know, Jones, And I've had a lot
of quarterbacks to here that've been younger and me that
(21:54):
I'm trying to help anyway that I can. So, um,
you know I'll continue to do that. Wait, what he's like?
People thought I'd be mean to him. No, we heard
exactly what you said. Why are you drafting a third
rounder instead of somebody that can help us win? Now
that's what you said, correct. And then you were the
one who said and maybe that's where you're joke, and
I'd point to the playbook, but you did say it.
(22:17):
You did all these things are thinking he took out
of context? Now we took in the right context. You
said you wish they would have drafted a player that
can win now instead of a backup. What was the
context ben of when you said you weren't fully committed
to coming back thinking about retirement. Where was that context? Guys,
trying to contextualize conversations to which we understand that we
(22:39):
fully understand what you're saying. Okay, Rothinsburger didn't say any
of that, but he does have this Aaron Rodgers thing
to where he says it, but then instead of owning it,
he always does the just kidding, I just playing. He
took me out of context, whereas Aaron Rodgers His I
don't give a you know what is that in the
(23:00):
is as high as anybody's in the game. Here's this
direct quote, and it wasn't from an obscure source. This
was at his press conference today. Man, we like, we
like young receivers, so I'm assuming the way we're gonna
keep that's the way we're gonna keep going. I don't
know why you'd cut Jordy and bring in Dez. He's
a talented player, and now, of course he says nice things.
(23:21):
He's gonna end up somewhere. If he ends up here,
we obviously will welcome open him, welcome ing with open arms,
get him up to speed as quick as possible. It
is yeah that any other quarterback or most other quarterbacks
would go like, hey, we love to have Daz. Anybody
wants to play here. Great players we'd love to have. Instead,
(23:42):
he gives the thoughtful answer kind of tweaking them about,
like why would you cut Jordy Nelson to bring in
Dez Bryant. Be sure to catch live editions of The
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Sometimes people make statements for the opposite meaning of what
(24:03):
they actually say, like and ramas you can, you can
maybe attest to this, there will be a time in
your marriage and I Dan hasn't been married long enough.
And Dan such a good dude. I probably doesn't happen
to him like it's happened to me. But your wife
gets really upset and she says, just please leave me alone. Right,
(24:25):
And you think leave me alone, like we're guys, Like
you mean leave me alone? Like okay, cool, I mean
all right, I'll talk to you later. But that's not
actually what they mean. They mean the opposite of that.
They say leave me alone, but they want you to
come in and say sorry and then just hear them
talk and listen and just be there for them. I know.
It's super confusing because guys just don't operate that way,
(24:46):
or at least I don't operate that way. But there
will be a time in your relationship where your wife
will say leave me alone, and she means the opposite
of that. That's what Mike d'An toni did to the
media yesterday. Mike D'Anton he was asked about the pressure
on his team down two games to one, the idea
of being down three games to one to a team
(25:07):
with the firepower of the Golden State Warriors. He offered
this up right now, to me, that's all the pressure
and they're still they gotta windom are nine. You know,
we should come in with a little bit of a
swagger and get up in our game and see we're
getting We should feel good, we should be happy, We
should have a little swagger. We got no pressure here, Like, yeah,
you do. I think I believe that Mike D'Antoni is
(25:34):
trying to take the pressure off his team that he
feels like that's one of the things hindering some of
their guys is that they're thinking too much about the ramifications.
The last thing he wants is to get into the
fourth quarter in a close game against a team like
the Golden State Warriors and have his team thinking about
every shot and the ramifications of missing those shots. So
he's saying the opposite of what he actually believes, which
(25:58):
is a guy's way of saying, like my wife has
occasionally saying the complete opposite of what she means. Fox
Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation.
Catch all of our shows at Fox sports Radio dot
com and within the I Heart Radio app. Chris mannix
and he's guest hosted for Dan Patrick. He made some
sort of bet with Dan Patrick, but shaving his head,
(26:20):
he joins us down on the Doug Gallex, so you
can also hear him uh Sundays from noon to three
alongside NBA champion Karen Butler. What was the bet? Well,
the the original bet, Doug was. You know, back in
in November, I wrote a column saying that the Celtics
were gonna win the East. This is like in the
latter stages of that sixteen game winning streak, and um,
(26:43):
I just said I had seen enough from Cleveland to
make me disbelieve in them. Now a lot changed, of course,
Kyrie went out the Calves bit a bunch of trades.
But you know, here we are in the conference final
with these two teams, and I thought enough of Boston
to say that Dan, that will make that bet go
for wards. So, but that parameters are if self excludes
this series, I have to shave my head. If they win,
(27:06):
I get to host Dan show with Dan in the
back row. So uh, it's it's it's a lot of
risks but some reward. Yeah. But so there was was
there cheering going on in the press box last night
or booing last night? Were I mean, were you? Were
you upset because now a sudden you have to shave
your head? No? I mean, you know I did say
that Dan and we had a little bit an argument
(27:27):
that you know, we didn't say when, and I'll probably
do it in August when I could just sort of
hype for for a month month and a half for
I have to reappear in NBA circles. But uh no,
I mean this series close enough that I'm still Uh
I wouldn't say confident, but you know, comfortable making that
bet again. All right, So what what what changed in
(27:48):
your like? Look? I thought the officiating did change, and
people can well that's not I thought that the Celtics
were incredibly physical and the aggression at home. I thought
that Cleveland just manhandled them. Uh. In Game three, it was.
It was to the point of being a little ridiculous.
And then last night just you know, Marcus Morrison falco
Will barely playing just it was really really hard to
(28:10):
tell what was a foul, what wasn't a foul. I
did not think it was a well officiated game. But
other than the officiating, what else changed? I mean Game three,
I don't know what you read into that other than
Cleveland came to play and nothing was gonna stop him
in that one. I mean, that was just an avalanche.
And when you see Brad Stevens go to Gershon Yabaselli
in the first quarter, Greg Monroe in the first quarter,
(28:31):
you know he's searching for something to stem that. But games,
that's the physicality of the Cabs really made the difference.
I mean, they lost the two rebounding battles in Boston, right,
and they go back to Cleveland and they win those
two rebounding battles to create four by double digits up there.
That's Mannix. Hold on real quick, let's let's let's get
(28:55):
Mannix and he's too good to get him on a
bad cell phone line. Uh, it's we'll recalibrate that in
in a second. Doug Out the show Fox Sports Radio.
By the way, I want to get to the Brett
five story up coming next where Farve said that he's
been rehabed three different times. Really interesting stuff with with
with Peter King That upcoming after half past the hour.
(29:18):
Chris Mannox worked for Yahoo Sports. He's an NBA insider.
You could also hear him Sundays from noon to three
Eastern Time, alongside NBA champion Karan Butler. It's called Chris
and Karen. Last week, Um, what they have? They had
uh Wallburger on last week? Right, yeah, but not Donnie Wallburger.
(29:39):
Now now they had Marky Mark, then Mark, they had
Mark Wallburger. Because Karen travels in those circles. Karwen lives
like in the in the valley. Now was all the
Hollywood types. He had Kobe last week he had you know,
he's he's he's Karen Butler, he's tough shoes. All right,
let's let's get back after it. I don't know what
we lost you, but you said the physicality of the
(30:00):
calves was a big factor last night. Um. I also
thought that look Terry Rows years look like a backup
and at times the two wings have looked like twenty
year olds for the Boston Celtics that sometimes sometimes there
is a regression to the mean in addition to the
physicality of the older, more veteran cavaliers. I agree with that.
(30:21):
And my second point was that I thought that ty
Lou had a terrific Games three and four. I mean,
I think his adjustment to put Lebron on Jalen Brown
was effective. I think his adjustment to make Tristan Thompson
basically a shadow of of uh Al Horford was effective. Uh.
We give Brad Stevens a lot of credit when he
pushed the right buttons. We gotta give Tylu the same
(30:44):
amount of credit when he does the same. So I
thought that was a factor. And you're right, Doug, the
young players they regrets in this series. Uh. And look,
he reminds you of a point that young players tend
not succeed in the playoffs. The Celtics played above their
heads most of the postseason. In these these road games,
not just in this cast series, but in others, they
(31:04):
have looked like year olds that they are. Doug Gatlers
show Fox Sports Radio. All right, Dan Tony says the
pressure is on Golden State tonight, not on Houston. Do
you agree? No? I mean, let's get real, and the
pressure is on the Rockets. You know, you lose this game,
the series is over. Simple as that, it's gonna be
hard enough to win. You know three of the next
(31:24):
four games. You're not gonna win three straight to beat
Golden State this game? Is this pressure not just on
the Rockets does It's on James Harden. I mean, this
game is a referendum on James Harden. I mean he's
got a sixty win team, another All Star in his backcourt,
the best supporting cast he's had in his Oklahoma city.
He's got to show up and that might not be enough.
But the pressure in this game is on James Harden
(31:45):
to perform. I agree, and I've said before I just
I struggled to really enjoy watching him play. Some of
it is obviously the defense, and it's not just a defense, like, look,
Steph Curry is not a great defender. But there doesn't
seemed to be the give up the ratio of of
give up to play hard that there is. Harden gets
(32:05):
beat and it's just all right, I'm kind of done
with that defensive possession. Whereas you you don't see that
as much from Steph and then you know, I think
some of it is body language stuff. Well that's fair
unfair there there is kind of a different sort of
maybe almost aloofness to his body language that that I
don't love. Um, you know, ah well, let me just
(32:26):
say this, Doug about about Harden. He doesn't look as
gas as he looks in last year's playoffs, but there
does seem to be a little fatigue. I've seen the
last couple of games, and then that's a disaster for
Houston because the Warriors can survive a faulty Steph Curry,
a gas Steph Curry, the Rockets cannot survive a James
Harden is not completely agree with you. What what change
(32:50):
with Steph Curry. I don't know that that anything changed necessarily.
It does feel like he's continuing to round back into shape,
been get his rhythm back. I mean, we're kind of
used to Steph coming off injury and playing great. Right
early in the season. He came off that uh, the
ankle injury and set the league on fire for a
(33:11):
few weeks. The reality is, when you come off an injury,
there's there's a curve, right, I mean, you've got to
get your your rhythm back, and meanwhile, you're playing with
a guy in Durant who is you know, on fire
offensively and consuming a lot of the offensive oxygen out there.
So I think he just, you know, finally cut a
little bit of a rhythm in that second half the
other night, and there's no reason to believe that can't continue. Now.
(33:32):
The Rockets will do some creative thing to try to
force him into tough spots, but he's a two time
m v P for a reason. I think he plays
a great game tonight. I tend to as well. I
also think we may see something Clay Thompson. I know
he's been on Areza Island most of this series, but
it does you think let me ask you this, duck,
do you think this is fun? Like I get no
pleasure out of watch him the Warriors anymore because I'm
(33:54):
sitting there and I'm not covering the West Finals, but
I'm covering I'm doing the East Files, and it feels
like the bronze medal game, like you know, we're watching,
you know, a coronation. And I know the NBA loves
Superstars and the ratings have been good, but this just
feels bad for the NBA to have you know, the
Warriors just once again on cruise Control. Uh yeah, I do.
(34:16):
I just what's interesting about it is I still think
there's a there's a bit of a talent gap between
the two. I don't think it's as great as others others,
you know, like in terms of personnel, Like you know,
the Warriors have their benches very young and very limited.
I mean, Ego Dolla might play, might not play. You know,
Draymond is a great role player. He's like the probably
the best true role player in the NBA. But he's
(34:38):
not a superstar. It's just pieces that fit together so well,
and no one has been able to match kind of
those pieces. So yeah, I don't think this will be
looked at look back on as one of the golden
eras of the NBA, even if this is one of
the dominant teams of NBA history. Well, I think next
year is where it gets interesting, because you know, I
felt at the star of the season that the next
(34:59):
team to beat Golden State was going to be Boston
in a series. Um, and it might not have happened
this this year and out it's not going to but
the way the Celtics play against them, the game plan
they have, the switch they can do on everything, the
defenders that they have. Um, you couple that with the
offensive firepower they'll have next year with their guys coming
back and the evolution of Tatum and Brown if they
(35:19):
wind up meeting in the finals next year, to me,
it's a coin flip. Yeah, I I tend to agree
with you. I tend And as we see, like, look,
the you know, Livingston has started to age, Iguodala has aged,
and I'm not sure Like I like Jordan Bell, I
like Cavon Looney, but I'm not sure if they are
going to be you know, replacements. You know, the swaggy
(35:39):
Pa thing until this series hasn't really worked this year.
And whereas Boston you may not have a Durant of
any of your you know, I think Durant's the best
offensive player in the league, and he's not on the
downward side of his career. You might not have a
Durant to match him, but you can the strength in
numbers that Golden State used to have is kind of
(36:00):
what feels like Boston will eventually have when everybody's healthy. Yeah,
I agree, And and you know, the the Golden State
series down the line, I think is one big reason
Boston should invest in Marcus Smart moving forward. Now he's
he's a total disaster offensively, I mean, I don't know
if it's if it's all the hand injury. I talked
to him extensively about this last week and he was
sort of pointing to spots on his hand where his
(36:21):
release has totally changed. I know there's a ring finger
problem with him right now that's causing him a lot
of pain. But he is a train wreck out there offensively,
but defensively, he's a force. And if you if you
have so many offensive weapons like Boston's going to have
next year, having that kind of Swiss Army knife defender
to maybe put on a durant to muscle him to
play against Steph Curry, that's going to be an invaluable asset. Yeah,
(36:44):
I'll say this, and I love Marcus Smart and he
is he's the ultimate intangible guy. But there's two things. One,
he's never been able to shoot right. To go back
and track for me when he was it what you
want to say, hand injury has heard his development like okay,
but he wasn't. He wasn't. He was never a good shooter,
but before and Um, the other part about Marcus Smart
(37:05):
is if you know you have a hand injury, why
does he take shots like he's Ray Allen, Like he
comes out hunting first touch, it's going up, which is great.
It kind of part of what makes him him. But
he's not a guy. He's one of those guys that
plays like he's a great shooter even though he's open
for a reason. And it's the isolation stuff too. I
(37:25):
mean some of it is. You know, I thought the
Caps defense was great the last couple of games, and
they forced Bostontel some isolation plans. But when I see
Marcus Smart kind of stepping back and doing that victorial
the depot stuff from a pacer series, you kind of
have to face palm yourself there because it's that you
know that there's a a ninety percent degree of chance
that's not going to go in. He's not a one
(37:46):
or one player. What maybe he can be down the
line and you're right, it's gonna take work. I mean,
he cracked for the first time in three years from
three this season. Um, what he needs to be is
just a spot up shooter that you can play, drive
and kick with and he's not even that yet. Yeah,
I agree with you. Okay, so you have Warriors tonight, Yeah,
I mean, how do you bet against him? I mean
(38:06):
unless the the absence or the injury the aguadala Is
is so significant and and Kevin Looney can't step in,
although they're defensive numbers with Looney e Ben pretty good too.
I don't I don't care how they win. I don't.
Like I said, I'm very curious ab how hard in response,
because if he plays poorly, we'll be talking about this game,
I think for a while. Yeah, and remember last year,
like people forget that they not They didn't just lose
(38:28):
to the Spurs at home. And was that game? I
think that was Game five? It was they lost the
Spurs at home and uh, and they didn't have the Spurs,
didn't have Kawhi Leonard. That was LaMarcus Aldridge and the
d League team, like not the deal is the summer
league team. It legitimately was like three Summer League players
that whooped up on the rockets of that game. Well,
you brought up his fatigue. Look, one of the reasons
(38:50):
Oklahoma City was willing to trade him. It wasn't just
the trade demands it was they played in the NBA
finals and he kept going out. He was a disaster
in the finals, and they they told him not go out,
and he kept going out and he was still living
that club life. And They're like, this is just that
he's a hangout guy. We didn't want to have one
hangout guy around our other young stars, and that was
(39:11):
one of the reasons they chose that. I don't know
if that's the reason for fatigue, or if it's the
amount of times which he has the basketball and I
sell on offense and defense, or it's probably all of
it combined. But I do think there's a there's a
question about whether or not he has the gas in
the tank to carry your team when he has to
carry a team. Yeah, yeah, that. I mean, look, I
I don't know enough about his his social habits to
(39:32):
say anything on that, but you know, being an isolation
player that takes more energy out of you than being
a sort of like bald movement type of team. I mean,
having to carry that responsibility is huge and and look,
I mean you're probably right about whatever happened there in
Oklahoma City, but I mean that was a major screw
up by the thunder I mean the Thunder not not
maximum out at that time. And by the way, you know,
(39:54):
everybody likes to say that James Harden would have said,
give me the responses, to give me my own team.
I want to be an Alpha. Maybe that happens, but
those Thunder coaches that were there at that time, I've
all told me to a man that James Harden loved
being a sixth man, has to be a sixth man.
So I don't know. Maybe it would have come unrabbled
at some point, but I think they would have squeezed
a few years out of heart in the sixth man role. No,
it's it's one of those that's gonna go down as
(40:16):
the greatest what if team of all time. They had him,
had three m v ps right there, and they chose
to break it up before they ever got to their
got to their prime. And uh you know, um, you
know they yea, the same guy drafted them, so you
gotta give him credit for drafting him. And they've been
able to make it work to a certain extent, but
they also have a limitation that that ceiling has been
(40:37):
much slower than it would have been had they stayed.
Great stuff Mannix Hopefully you keep your hair. We'll see
what happens in that series. Appreciate you joining us on
Fox Sports Radio. All right, Chris Mannix. Check out Chris
and Karen Sundays on Fox Sports Radio
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