The Warriors Panicked & Antonio Daniels

Doug reacts to the Rockets coming from behind to win game 4 on the road against the Warriors and why he thinks the Warriors panicked. He also explains the NFL’s new National Anthem and where they went wrong. NBA Champion Antonio Daniels joins the show to discuss the Warriors collapse at home and what to expect in game 5 between the Celtics and Cavaliers.  

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening Boom Up America, Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio,
coming to you from the City of Angels Open. You are, well,
what a game we had last night. I was right,
but I was wrong. I thought it was close. I
thought it'd be close, but I also believed that the

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the Golden State Warriors would persevere. Boys all thought it
was over all thought it was a blowout. And look,
this is here's the cliche. This is why sports is better, right,
because the the ending is not planned. Even the process
by which we got to the ending was not expected. Right,

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Steph Curry goes crazy, then he goes one for ten,
Clay Thompson, Honorees Island and Kevin Durant forcing bad shots.
And even then the Warriors still had a shot. And
even after they missed that shot, they still had another shot.

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But the Houston Rockets got their biggest road win since
Mike D'Antoni has been their head coach, since James Harden
has been on their team, clearly since Chris Paul joined
the team as well. And now this thing is going
still at least six and it feels like we have

(01:30):
a legit series on our hands. Here's Steve Kerr on
his thoughts on the final play. I saw Draymond trying
to call it, and I was hoping they'd give it
to us. But you know, we didn't get it. But
I'm I'm always a proponent of pushing the ball off
of a miss rather than taking a time out letting
the defense get set up. So I thought we would
get a better shot in transition. That's why I let

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him play. Yeah, look, I let that's great. The problem
with it is, and maybe this is this is Steve
kerse uh thought they were so bad offensively in the
fourth quarter. I mean just atrocious in terms of their
shot selection, They're spacing, they were tired and discombobulated. They

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were so bad that you know, part of him probably thought, look,
if I called time out, they set their defense, Well,
the defense can be pretty good. The problem with it
is Duran's not really a point and he didn't seem
to really have feel for spacing or taking his time.
Kind of rushed it into the front court, which is fine,
and he got it to Clay Thompson just a tick early,

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didn't look for his own shot, and Steph Curry's kind
of in the way Clay Thompson gets grabbed and they
end up getting just a chuck and still had another
shot with point five seconds ago because Chris paul inexplicably
chooses to make a second free throw that he should
well have missed. All that said, Durant looked tight. At

(03:02):
the end. Steph Curry went from looking very beatable, too
in to not even a human being he was a
superhero to being human once again. And the Golden State Warriors,
who many of us had already crowned NBA champions, are
in the series. This is adversity. And as much as

(03:27):
we can sit here and go like you can't panic,
it's still the Warriors is still the better team. You
still have three games. All you gotta do is win too.
I wouldn't panic, with the exception the fact that the
Golden State Warriors seemed to panic yesterday. They didn't have
Andrea Goodallas, so they had one guy on the floor
at all times who seemed to not know where he

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was supposed to be. Jordan Bell, Cavan lonei uh Swaggy
pe Queenn Cooke, whoever was. They always had one guy like, dude,
what's that guy doing out there? The other guy on
the Warriors looks like the first person is seeing most
horror films. Alright, I guys gonna die. He's not one
of the headline actors. He's gonna die. How do I know?

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I've seen a horror movie before. They don't sacrifice du Drew,
Barrymore early on and Poulter. Guys did they so I
wouldn't panic, except for the fact that the Warriors seemed
to panic. Kevin Durant took a couple of the worst
shots I've ever seen, and then, in what felt like
a knee jerk reaction to the shots, gave the ball

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up early to Clay Thompson, who tried to make a
move and then panicked with his own shot. Steph Curry
running after the ball like a moth to a light.
That's a form of panicking. Like this is a team
that lost their cool, lost their composure, and his face.

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Now with supreme adversity, they gotta win another game in Houston,
which they were already able to do. But there was
another game in which they were punked in. So I
loved it, and I didn't love it because I cheer
against the Warriors or for the Rockets. I loved it
because I like competitive sports. I like endings that aren't planned.

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One of my favorite um movie makers is M. Knight
Shaloman Shamalan. Now some of his you know every there's
always a surprise ending with M. Knight, But I like
surprise endings. I like the surprise ending at the end
of Unbreakable. I did not know how the how what

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the ending was in sixth sense, you know the village was.
I knew there was some surprise ending coming, but I
didn't know that was the surprise ending that was coming.
I dig surprise endings, and last Night was a surprise ending.
Ramos is our big movie guy. Are are are cinematic

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genie for cinematic analyst? Are you a surprise ending guy?
Or you know? I do enjoy the surprises in movies,
the twists as we call them. Yes, favorite one is
of obviously Darth Darth Vader's Luke's dad. How should I
say that spoiler alert? I mean the movie's thirty five

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years old. I think you're okay, you always got you
never know, Doug, you just never know I am your father.
That's the most As you think that's the biggest surprise
ending in movie making films, I think it may be
the biggest, one of the biggest surprises. And we're not
the ending of a movie, because I wasn't the end
of Empire Strikes Back. But there was a plot twist. Definitely,

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this is a plot twist. This is the plot twist music.
Do you have a favorite surprise surprise ending. I was
a big fan of Fight Club that ending at at
the end where you sort of realized that they're one
and the same person. Yeah, I on a sleep I
need I think I need to go back and watch
it because it was such a surprise ending that I'm

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not I'm still not sure exactly what happened that's seen
years later. You're just going, man, that Fight Club crying
game was a little bit too much just of a
surprise ending, but definitely a little bit too much, a
little jarring, like, m okay, that's a surprise. Could have
done without it. Ah, of course there's uh what was it?

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Ace Ventura had a surprise ending. Finko is iron Horn,
iron Horn is Finkle Finkles iron Horn, iro Horns, Finkle
finkl and Irons iron Horn, iron Horn is Oh fink
Oh fink On and iron Horn. Same guy, same person.
Here's Kevin Durant on what he saw in the final

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possession down. I was trying to see if I had
some options. I've seen Clay running along the baseline and uh,
maybe you should have waited till you at his feet,
But I just threw a bounce pass and try to
relocate for But man, that's not the reason why we
lost the game. I mean wish, I wish it could
have been a better possession at the end, but you know,
we gotta live with that and move on and be
better next game. Here's Steph Curry on how they played

(08:15):
mixed us we had on defense, affected our energy on
the offensive end credits and then they we know what
they're doing a lot of switching and trying to force
us in the you know, one of one type situations.
But that's no shus. Get the ball moving, trusting, you
know what we what we do best, and you know,
whether it's the first quarter, second quarter, or a crush
time and fourth we gotta be us. Yeah. Look, I

(08:38):
thought they I do think they got out of who
they were offensively. I think some of that is fatigued.
Some of that is not having Gudala. Uh, some of
that is that game was played. It was ridiculously physical.
I mean just grabbing and holding and you know, look,
you can tell me like that's playoff basketball. Didn't feel
like basketball to me, and some of it is. You

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got to credit the Rockets. They made shots where the
Warriors did not. But man was it good? Great plot twist?
So now where's aren't going to the finals? He don't
hand them their third third straight championship or their second
straight championship. Nope, not yet, not yet? All right, more
on that, Mike Michael Smith's gonna join the show. Of course,

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played for over a decade the NBA. The former Clippers
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Doug Otlip Show, Fox Sports Radio. M hm m m
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much to get to, so much to dig in on
last night, Just um, really fascinating, fascinating to watch, um,
because what I saw was a team to which seemed
to for a team that won a championship last year

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and for players who many of them have played in
big games in the NBA. God, they really seemed discombobulated.
That was the Warriors looking like a team that hadn't
been in that type of game. Let me get the
thoughts of Michael Smith, who joins his course from a
first round pick of the Boston Celtics, he played for
years for the season, even for the l A Clippers.

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Longtime NBA broadcaster joins us on the Doug Outlet Show.
What what went so wrong for the Warriors in the
fourth quarter yesterday? What wasn't that crazy, Doug? I mean,
that was that was so bizarre to me? I mean,
you hit the nail right on the head. When you
said that was the championship team, they should have had

(11:31):
the mentality and the ability to handle a moment like that.
But it was they who panicked. I mean it was
Let's not even talk about Steph's wide open look at
the very end of the game that didn't look like
his regular stroke. But let's look at the shot he
took three possessions prior, which was forced and terrible. And
then Katie given the ball up when he has an

(11:53):
advantage over everyone on the rockets and his past to Clay,
which if you're going to justify him giving up the
rock which I thought he should have gone down and
taken the shot himself. Play didn't catch and shoot it,
which is what he does best. He dribbled and then
panicked and put up a crazy, terrible last shot. And

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I'm just talking about the last plays. But what they
didn't do in the fourth quarter, Doug, is they did
not play uh to win. They didn't play with pace,
they didn't play with momentum. They didn't capitalize on the
stuff they do best, which is ball movement and player movement.
They got a little bit stagnant themselves, and it bit
him in the butt. It did it it came back
and absolutely got them. How much of that do you uh?

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Do you liken to fatigue because they didn't have Iguadala,
so he played He played all his big three the
entire third quarter. I don't think it's a fatigue as
an excuse. I think it's an explanation. Do you do
you think any of it is an explanation that they
were just tired and so they stopped moving and moving
the ball. It's part of it. I think Steve Kerr

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was aware of it. And I think Steve's a great
coach and a great communicator. I thought he made a
tactical air. So when the fourth quarter began, and that's
after Steph has that great run and they're up ten.
Now the fourth quarter starts, you're playing at home, it's
knockout punch time. I mean it really is. It's knockout
punch Houston. After playing that terrific second quarter and heart

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and having that dunk on Draymond, you had the momentum,
and then all of a sudden, Steph goes nuts to
close the third. It's a ten point game, and I
think Steve took two of the big three out. He
left one of them in and sure I would have
been tempted to do the same thing. And it's easy
to look back now and say, Okay, here's what he
should have done. But I said it when I watched

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it with my ten year old, I'm like, no, no, no,
you can't take out Stephan, keepy right now together, you can't.
I know they need the rest, but for two minutes
play them. You're at least going to get good looks
from KB, maybe gets a buck, get her too, and
all of a sudden, then take them out and take
out the big three one at a time, and give

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them that middle of the quarters so they're in for
the final five minutes rested. And that's when Houston caught
him and delivered their second punch, and all of a sudden,
Golden State was not the same team I I honestly
can't believe that they played with as much fear as
they did. They were not that they were not the

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championship team. Like you talked about, how difficult is that
confidence to get back? Well, listen, you got to know
this about me. Even though I worked for the Clippers
and played for the Celtics, I'm a huge Warriors fan
and Doug I can't explain it. Maybe it's because I
was a shooter when I played, and so I'm akin

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to shooters, And so I like k D's one of
my favorite players. I like Curry, I like Clay. I
just like the way Clay comports himself. I think Courage
the greatest shooter we've ever seen. People at every record ever,
he would go down as the greatest shooter ever. And he,
like a Nash at six ft three, gives hope to
every kid out there that he can be an m

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v P. So I love all those things. So maybe
I'm akin to shooters because that's the way I saw
the game um as opposed to a big, you know, burly, rebounding,
bulky defensive Charles Oakley type that I didn't like. But
those are the guys that gave me fits too, So
maybe that's why I don't like them or those teams.
But confidence, and I thought this all year. I only

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tell you that so that you know deep down I
kind of do like the Warriors. I root for him.
I thought all year they would not win the title.
I thought that all year long. I thought the injuries
were such that they would not be able to regain
the physical conditioning necessary to be able to be a champion,

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and Katie's come back from the injury, Steph's come back,
Let's say, Okay, he's had his moments, but you and
I are watching the game a little differently, Doug. You
and I both have seen that Steph does not have
the ability to separate himself off the dribble like he
used to, let's say in years past, two years ago
or last year, because of the time lost and it's

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so hard to turn it on and off. Uh. If
you would have asked me before yesterday's game, who's going
to win the title? I would have said Golden State.
If you asked me a month ago, I would have
said not Golden State. I just didn't think they could
vamp it up. But now it's anyone's bad now. Quite honestly,
Houston's got a shot, Lebron's got a shot. Anybody could

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win the title right now. I really think that, And
I didn't think that twenty four hours ago. Yeah, now listen, Uh, look,
and now Lebron still has Boston to deal with. On
the other hand, I think Boston there's some regression towards
the mean. They're right there, they are, They're playing backups,
they're playing young kids. How does Boston get it back tonight.
I don't think they do. I mean, we've had three

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teams now have a chance to put Lebron out and
gully Indiana should have done it, but nobody could make
a shot in the fourth quarter. And Oladipo had those
over seven runs and fourth quarter jump shots on two
separate games that really would have put him down. And
Toronto should have put Lebron down in Game one but didn't.

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And I saw the eyes of Lebron in both those series,
in both those critical games let's call it game one
Toronto and any one of those games that Indiana should
have beat him, and he was done. He he really
looked like to me, he did not care until both
those teams gave him hope and kind of and he

(17:42):
kind of just said, Okay, you should have beat me,
but if you're not going to, I guess I'll go win.
I just didn't see the fire in his eyes. I
didn't see a jordan esque glean in in in his vision.
I didn't see it. I thought, I'm watching with my son.
I'm like, he doesn't want it. He doesn't want it.
He knows he's done. He knows he's moving to another team,

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but nobody's been able to punch him out, and so
he's now kind of like garnered some hope, and all
of a sudden he's kind of like, Okay, we're gonna
go back to Cleveland. If we get two of those,
it's a different ball game. I think they're gonna win
it now. I mean, I think Cleveland is gonna beat
Boston now. Yeah, I think Cleveland beats Boston. Um, whether
it's in six or in seven, I think that. I

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think that happens. I totally agree. I do think though
that look, they'll be there'd be an underdog against Houston.
They have a better shot against Houston than they would
against Golden State. Golden State is built to beat lebron
But and and we we do now wonder about Golden State.
On the other hand, they do have this gear to

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which if they can hit it, um it doesn't it
may might not even matter. How much does iguodala matter
matter in this equation? I think that played a part.
I mean, you saw moments around Rim where Kevin Looney
just Von Looney just couldn't couldn't finish a play or
couldn't make the right play and he got into foul

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trouble and it forced Jordan Bell to come in. And
he's athletically ready but not mentally ready for that moment.
And so there were there were there were times in
that game when he thought, okay, Iggy could have really
made a difference. I honestly have to admit, I don't
know what his status is for the next ball game.
If if you a play or not, you may have
more update on that than I do. But they miss him,

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they miss his defense. But isn't it Isn't it amazing, Doug,
how often Houston will make Chris Paul guard whoever I'm not,
Chris Paul will make Steph Curry guard whoever is trying
to score. It's it's it's it's the same thing that
Cleveland did in the finals two years ago. And it

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does it had. It wears him down. It wear anyway,
It would wear anybody down, but it specifically wears him
down to where he's If you combine that to the
lack of of whatever sort of physical conditioning at this level,
here's the b I think the think people don't understand
Michael Smith joining us a long time NBA analysts played
for the Clippers and the Celtics, as well as other teams. Um.

(20:12):
I I think that people think, well, you're hurt for
a while, you rehab, you come back. This is not
the regular season. It's such a completely different level of
competition that you're not punching a gas going zero to sixty.
You're going zero to a hundred. It's way more physical. Uh,
and then you and so and then there's the cumulative

(20:33):
effect of the number of possessions in which you have
to play defense on the ball. And I do think
that he's a little bit worn down, which has made
him a lot more guardiable. I I totally agree. Uh.
I've read a lot of stuff on staff I have.
I have a lot of kids, as you know, I'm
raising now my final like boy and girl, and so

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they're hoopsters and dancers and things like that. So I'm
trying to teach my boy to shoot differently than I did.
Because as credit D'Antoni for revolutionizing the NBA to play faster,
I think he and Nash really uh survived or saved
the NBA per se and turned it into this marketable product.
And those guys paved the way for a Curry to

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be what he is. And but give Steph credit because
everyone I've talked to who has coached him or worked
with him say how tirelessly he works on every aspect
of it. The shooting, the shooting from distance, the strength training,
the layups with their hands, seen evidence in these games.
But here's the point I was gonna make, Doug. I've

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read all this stuff about this strength training he does
me off season, and it started out with a way
to rehab his ankles. And so he was doing these
these these lifts and these squats and these thrusts and
things with lots of weight and and there were people
who said Steph was not only the strongest on the
team pound for pound, but he was like the third

(21:58):
strongest in some of these squat thrust lifts. And it
was that that really allows him to shoot from thirty
and thirty five ft because it builds from the legs
and if you can rolls like a wave up his
legs and his core. There's no way he's been able
to maintain that strength with the thirty seven days he

(22:18):
missed prior to the playoffs starting. There's just no way
he was rehabbing a different thing. He was getting ready
to be able to compete again, but not you know,
providing the foundation to be able to go like you're
saying zero to a hundred. So yes, he is getting tired,
he is getting worn down. He has moments of the brilliance,

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but his shot is not what it was. And if
they're to win, I really don't think it's he's got
to be good, but I think KB has got to
push him over the top and gave five. If they're
going to do it, great stuff. Michael Smith, a longtime
NBA analyst, joining us on the Doug Gatlin Show. Appreciate
your your insight and your input. Help talk to you
as soon as a playoffs roll on. You got a buddy,

(23:01):
any kind pleasures totally mine. Michael Smith, who, by the way,
the Thames Lakers, Celtics and the NBA plast month that
video game on Sega. He was awesome with the Celtics.
That guy, now you talk about this is he was
a stretch three where now he'd be a stretch for six.
B y U. I mean he would he was. He

(23:22):
had a little dirt to him plus a little bit
more spring in his game. The road ahead is bound.
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you got Dan? I'm busy day in the NFL DOUG
NFL owners unanimously approved the new policy for the national
anthem was all league personnel will be required to stand
and respect the flag and the national anthem. This according

(24:08):
to a release by the NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell talking
about the policy today, if anyone is on the field
and is disrespectful to the anthem of the flag, UH,
there would be a fine from the league against the team. UH.
The team will have its own work rules, will be
consistent with the overall policy, and they will make their
own decisions about how to manage that from there on

(24:30):
the club level. And that was the Commission today, Doug,
I know you're gonna get into this in a little bit.
But there was other news from the NFL meetings. Nashville
officially the host of the twenty nineteen NFL Draft, Arizona
gets Super Bowl fifty seven. New Orleans will host Super
Bowl fifty eight Game five tonight Eastern Finals Cavs and
Celtics a thirty Eastern time. That series is tied up
at two apiece. Clippers gave it coach Doc Rivers a

(24:51):
contract extension. He was entering the final year of his contract,
while Publicans forward Anthony Davis and Jazz sent A Rudy
Gobert headlined the all defensive team in the NBA Today.
In Major League Baseball, Brewers right now taking it to
the Diamondbacks eight to two, Tigers on top of the
Twins three one, Royals and Cardinals tied at two in
the ninth. Well in the fifth, it's the Giants and
Astros tied up at one apiece, and tonight a trip

(25:15):
to the Stanley Cup Final is on the line. Capitals
and the Lightning playing in Tampa eight o'clock Eastern time
in their Eastern Final games seven. Doug Okay so if
we could, could you play that Roger Goodell sound yet again? UM,
In regards to UH, two players sitting out opting out
of the national anthem, go ahead. If anyone is on

(25:36):
the field and is disrespectful to the anthem or the flag, UH,
there would be a fine from the league against the team. UH.
The team will have its own work rules, will be
consistent with the overall policy, and they will make their
own decisions about how to manage that from there on
the club level. Now tell me if I'm wrong. Doesn't
the NBA essentially have the same policy right where you

(25:59):
don't have to come if you don't have to come
out for the anthem, but if you come out for
the anthem, you stand for the anthem, not essentially the
NBA policy. And and yet the NFL is going to
be is said to have mishandled this. Um. Look, I'll

(26:21):
just kind of state my position on this really quickly.
I I don't like any abusive power, political, police or otherwise.
On the other hand, I look at it like this,
When the national anthem plays and I'm at my house,

(26:42):
it's uncomfortable to just be sitting there in your couch
scratching yourself isn't it right? Like you'm you're at your house,
your kids are around the national anthem place? What do
you do? We stand up in my house? Now? Look,
it's only on usually during super big events, right, it's
only a Super Bowl Final four, whatever, All Star Getting,

(27:04):
Baseball is our game, World Series, et cetera, NBA Finals.
It's the only time to which the national anthem is
actually on TV during those times, Like, I look around,
like I'm the parents, I'm supposed to have my kids
stand up. If you're at a stadium the national anthem
starts playing, what do you do? You're standing to take

(27:26):
off your cap and you stand up? So look I
get the idea. Hey, look at it's free speech, and
I do, in fact respect peaceful protest. I never liked
how Kaepernick framed it. I didn't like the words to use,
nor do I like the fact that he he allowed

(27:48):
so many others to contextualize what and why he was protested,
and he lost control. They really lost control of the message.
They became a bunch of different messages, and the President
didn't help either. A matter of fact, the President killed
whatever his message was because he made it about the
president and about the flag. And about patriotism instead of

(28:10):
about police brutality, which I think was the idea behind it,
even if I don't believe Kaepernick worded it in appropriate fashion.
But when you're running a business and enough of your
customers have said, hey, I don't want those guys kneel
him before the flag. I don't want those guys. I
don't want those guys making a show of it and

(28:31):
protesting it. They don't like it, they don't want to
then have them stay in the locker room. I actually
think this is a middle ground. Could you allow them
to Could you be at the at the forefront of
it and say, hey, look, we're gonna allow our players.
We're gonna allow our players this moment of free speech.
They could, but one that would not be answering to

(28:54):
their customers, not all of whom, but enough of whom
have made their feelings know. And secondly, this provides you
with a simple opt out, like let's not act like
the NFL hasn't done anything. You know, they they did

(29:16):
try and give money to help NFL players, bring education,
change the process of different arrests, body cameras, and etcetera. Like, Look,
I don't do I think this is a good that
we're having conversations in the right tone, right of course? Not,

(29:38):
of course not. And as much like there's so many
other things at play here, right like you have you
have what happens at Santa Fe High School, and you
might say to yourself, what does that have to do
with it? Well, like first responders, police officers, like those
guys go running in they're trying to checked our kids.

(30:02):
So how do you say, we respect and admire first responders,
We respect and admire police officers that keep us safe,
and yet we want to change with some of these policies,
how do we do it smartly? So and I don't
know if we've come up with a viable solution, goes.

(30:22):
I think Kaepernick accomplished and even exceeded any goal that
he might have set forth for if the goal was
to bring awareness to the problem. We're pretty aware. We're
still talking about it. He ain't played in the NFL
in a year, and everybody's still talking about it, still
talking about his protests. The NFL has changed and mandated

(30:43):
a policy to which they'll now find you for taking
a knee. And even though that policy mirrors that of
the NBA, that policy change was brought about because these protests. Again,
like you can look at you can look at it
as their trying to destroy the Pride protests, and you're right,
but you can also look at it as hey, it's

(31:04):
Kaepernick win. What do you think music. I do think
that it seems as though them not including the Players
Association in this whole process, uh, does look bad because
if you're really trying to approach this from a we

(31:26):
as a collective group are trying to accomplish something, then
it comes off very poorly. But I do agree that
they had to do something because them continuing to do
nothing clearly was getting them in far more trouble than trying.
They kept trying to sweep it under the rug, and
it just kept growing into this thing that can no

(31:46):
longer be avoided. Yeah, something not the not engaging with
the Players Association about this, ah, feels like a feels
like a miss. On the other hand, they have engaged
in conversations with the Players Association in the past, so
let's not act like, you know, should they have put

(32:07):
a united front out there? Of course, of course they
should have. What do you think Rama's well they had
I agree with with both of you. They had to
do something. I think they couldn't let this. They have
to put something down in writing that they can look
back and say, here's what we have for you, because
last year I don't think they had anything. I think

(32:28):
they just got caught off guard by what happened and
they had nothing to do. They had nothing to say,
nothing to back themselves up with. And now they're finally
saying they're making an amendment to the rules and everybody
has to sign off on it. So either do what
they say because it's a private business, right that there's
not the NFL. It's a private business, yes, yes, Now, well,
look most of their stuff is collectively bargaining upon. On

(32:50):
the other hand, the commissioner. The commissioner does have the
power to institute rules, especially those that are voted on
by the owners. I'll tell you I probably Jed York
abstaining his vote. Jed York's the owner of the San
Francisco forty Niners. He's like, Yello, we're not gonna sell.
He came out today and made some statement, we're not
gonna sell concessions during the national anthem. Uh, during the

(33:11):
time of this kind of sensitivity, like, well, you used
to first of all, Second of all, nobody goes to
the owners games now. But third of all, like, don't
do the abstain from vote. If you disagree with it,
vote against it, vote against it, don't do the Jill
Stein Green Party vote, don't do the abstention in the Hey,

(33:32):
I didn't vote for it, you also didn't vote against it.
If you're against it, vote against it. Start a coalition,
start a movement, offer up an alternative thought, um, and
and it's one of those things to which you can

(33:54):
sit there. This protest was quietly, kind of slowly going away,
and then the president brought it back up. And now
I'm sure he'll claim victory on this thing. But what's
fascinating is how the NBA has had a policy in
place that almost mirrors what the NFL announced today, and

(34:18):
yet the NFL is seen as regressive and the NBA
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do you want me to say? Because I Colin didn't

(35:03):
say it when I was there with him. He kind
of got into it a little bit, but he didn't
totally say it. But Calherd did this whole like, you know,
nobody's killing Kevin Durant today for passing. After he killed
Kevin Durant today for passing. We played for you the
sound on TV of Chris Brossard killing Kevin Durant for passing.

(35:25):
Rich Eisen mentioned it. Dan Patrick mentioned it. There's other
shows that I'm told still exist, though I don't listen to.
I'm sure they mentioned it. Nick Wright mentioned it. This.
There's no greater fallacy in sports media and sports media
guys going like, hey, if Lebron did this, we we
would kill him. We're not saying anything to Durant. Actually,

(35:46):
when Lebron passes, people go, hey, his teammates stink. And
when Kevin Durant passes after missing two shots badly in
the fourth quarter to Clay Thompson, one of the great
shooters in the history of the game. We're critical of it,
rightfully critical of Kevin Durant's play. It was not good.

(36:07):
But please don't tell me people aren't critical of Kevin
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Buyer viewer is not even a game. It's just a
saying real real, real news are fake news. Doug Draymond
Green was named to the All NBA Defensive First Team today. Uh,

(36:53):
that is fakeness. You are fake news. It is. He
was named to the second team for the first time
in his career. Rightmonded but a first team member for
the last three years, but knocked off that first team pedestal.
The first team, by the way, made up of Rudy Gobert,
Anthony Davis, Robert Covington, Drew Holiday, and Victor Ola Depot. Uh,

(37:15):
it's interesting that guys like Drew Holiday get a bonus
and like, look, you get recognized First Team All Defense
for bonus. I'm I'm cool with it. I should point out, like, look,
when you get paid twenties six million dollars a year,
you're supposed to play really good defense. But whatever. Um,
I love two way players and if you're a really

(37:36):
good offensive player and you're on that list, then you're
a great two way player. Real news are fake news.
Doug nick Foles will make an additional two hundred and
fifty thousand dollars per game this season if he takes
at least a third of the snaps in any game
with the Eagles. Uh wait, wait one more time, nick
Foles will real news are fake news. Nick Foles will

(37:57):
make an additional two hundred and fifty thousand dollars per
game if he takes at least a third of the
snaps in any game with the Eagles. They're spectacular. ESPN
says the deal is part of his incentive laden contract.
Got a base salary of four million dollars, but would
make two fifty grand if he takes a third of
the snaps in week one, and then if he did

(38:18):
it in week two would get another two d and fifty.
For the playoffs, he would get five hundred thousand dollars
per game that he takes a third of the snaps. Right,
So the idea is like, look, we're not gonna pay
you like a starting quarterback, but if you're our starting quarterback,
we're gonna pay you like a starting quarters Yes, real
news are fake news. Doug free agent guard Richie Incognito
is visiting with the Tampa Bay Bucketeers today. No TMZ

(38:40):
reports Incognito is being held by Florida police after an
incident and a gym. TMZ says that Incognito is being
held for an involuntary psychiatric evaluation after first throwing a
tennis ball at another jim goer and then throwing a dumbbell.
He also reportedly was making comments about the government in

(39:02):
a tirade at the gym. So Richie Incognito being held
by Florida police today, that's literally the least surprising story
of all time. That Richie Incognito a mead heead would
get into it with another meadhead at a gym in
Florida where these stories all seen nominated from and the
the other point. In stories that I've read about this

(39:22):
have said this is the second time incognito has been
held for involuntary psychiatric evaluation. Well, you know it's hard
for Richie to go incognito. That is true. Finally, dug,
real news are fake news. John Ramos won't take his
wife Susanne to Opening Night Friday for solo because he
wants to go solo. That sounds like real news. No,

(39:44):
I don't even know if he's gonna go this weekend.
Friday night. Oh no, not Friday, probably Saturday. If it
was Friday night, you have to get camped out game time.
I'm not sure. We're we're doing kind of mini stay
cation weekend. Um Sunday though, we're doing a rare double dip.

(40:08):
You're ready for what we're doing Sunday Doyers Doyer's on
Sunday and Pink Concert? Pink Concert? Do I go to
the Pink concert? Don't let the kids go? I Dan
Patrick early in the morning. What do you think I
like pink? I do too. I like pink. Do you
know why she's her nick where her nickname Pink comes from.
Her friends thought she looked like Mr Pink and reservoir dogs.

(40:31):
There you go. More on that. Upcoming NBA champion Antonio
jan Daniels joins the show next. Should the Warriors panic
find out in the Doug Gotlip Show? What Up Doug
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(40:52):
one game, It's only one game. It's only one game.
But a lot, like a lot like in Rocky four.
He remember Rocky four? Right? Remember when the Russian was cut? Right?
Was Ivan Drago Amsbric that Russian was cut? He's not

(41:15):
a machine, He's a man. It's not of his dude,
He's a man. That's what happened last night. He's cut.
He's cut. The Warriors are not lost at a home
Kevin Durant on their team in the playoffs. And I
know Andrea Goodala didn't play like I'm aware, Like Jordan
Bell is out there like man, where am I supposed
to be right now? And it was one of those

(41:35):
wherever he moved was where he's not supposed to be.
Like what thell Jordan Bell doing here? Sorry my bad,
you just you felt like he was just gonna go like,
my bad, sorry, I'll just get out of your way.
The Warriors had an incredible run the second in the
third quarter when Steph Curry dide what Steph Curry does.
This is one of those like look, I hate to

(41:57):
agree with what Chris Paul said and trying sound like
a snob and go, you may not have understood it,
Chris Paul. Last week's like, look, i think I'm better
than Steph Cured everything but shooting, and so excuse it.
And Chris, Steph Curry wasn't playing well to that point,
and then he has like in a personal eleven oh
run and like, oh my god, what has happened? He's

(42:18):
hitting shots, he's shimming. Now that's a there's basically a
sandwich between under his level play and really poor play
in the fourth quarter, but a Steph Curry run and
they end up extending their lead to twelve points seventy
age seventy and you're like, all right, that's a rap.

(42:40):
Warriors gonna win in five or in six and good night,
drive home safely. Funny thing happened in the fourth quarter.
The Warriors seemed to tire even when they lost momentum
when they subbed to start the fourth quarter. Then they
never really regained that momentum. They couldn't make a shot,
they didn't seem to execute the fist. A cality of

(43:00):
Houston seemed to kind of keep keep Golden State in
front of them. They did get some drives, but they
missed some laps, miss some free throws. Used to me,
just enough shots, they hold on, they win the game.
Kevin Durant played poorly, Steph Curry shot poorly, played Thompson
when m I A and they're kind of playing three
on five on offensive, Draymond won't really look at the hoop.

(43:22):
We can say it it's just one game. Hey, it's
just one game. It's just one game. But the truth
is that felt like way bigger than just one game.
To beat them, to have a twelve point lead in
your building that you haven't lost in the playoffs with
Kevin Durant, and now I have to go back and
win at least one more in Houston. And for Kevin

(43:45):
Durant to pass up on a seventeen foot which is
right in his wheelhouse and get really no quality shot
on the last full possession feels bigger than just one game.
Let's welcome in. Antonio Daniels is the NBA champion. He
works for Fox Sports Oklahoma, covers the Oakloma City Thunder
but also the rest of the NBA. He joined us

(44:07):
in Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. Uh, just
one game and fixable? Or is was that a the
Russian is cut sort of moment? Well, I guess it
depends on um which perspective you're looking from. You know,
if you're a Going to State fan, you're gonna say,
you know what, it's just one game. And if you're

(44:28):
a Houston Rockets fan, you're saying, you know what, from
the Russian side of thing, you know what, this guy
is not a machine. This team is not a machine.
And I get it because now anyway you look at it,
anyway it breaks down. It comes down to the best
of three games, regardless. I don't care which side you
want end. If you don't have a dog in a fight,
it comes down to the best of three games. Or
if you Houston, you did what you went to Golden

(44:50):
State to do, and that was to win one game
to get it split. You got to split. You have
home court. Now you go back to home and take
care of business. What do you things change with Curry? Nothing?
You know, I'll tell you what. What drives me Bersert
Doug is anytime he struggles, he's hurt. I can't stand it.
Anytime he struggles, he's hurt. If he shoots the ball

(45:12):
bad for two or three games, he must be entered
like he's not human, Like he can't even though he's
the best shooter of all time in my opinion, But
he's gonna have games, maybe two games, maybe three games,
where he doesn't shoot the ball well, and it happens.
It happens to anybody that's played that game. If you
want to call it a slump, whatever you want to
call it. Sometimes you can just slump at the wrong time.

(45:34):
But with Steph Curry, it's almost like there's a role
that's put in place that says, if he struggles, the
only reason that he's struggling is because he's not one percent.
Sometimes you just struggle and you play bad. I agree
with you. I would also say though, that I don't
think it's as much the shot making. It's more so
the lack of ability at times to get a step,

(45:55):
and some of that is I think the defense is
more physical. Some of that is they're going at him more,
which wears anybody down. Um, And I think and I
think some of it is, uh that that maybe while
he's not I don't I don't like the he's hurt.
It's the it's really hard to go from rehabbing to
playing at this This level of basketball is the highest

(46:17):
level of basketball you can competitiveness you can get to.
And so he's struggling with that sort of adjustment. And look,
he he he takes them. He's always taken some shots
that you and I were brought up as man those
are bad shots. You can't take him and gotten away
with it. But it it felt like there's a little
bit more settling in this series because he couldn't get
a step. Well, you know, for me, I don't think

(46:40):
it's as much as the fact that he can't be
the get the step as much as it's the competition
that he's playing again. Me. You know, if you look
at the Houston Rockets, he doesn't have a problem game
a step with James Harden. Chris Paul is a very
good defender. P J. Tucker is a very good defender. UH,
Trevor Reason is a very good defender. Capella, for his side,
is a very good offender, So I'm not going to

(47:01):
say it's the fact that he can't get the step.
But now you're playing against the team with a lot
of range, a lot of length um, a lot of athleticism,
a lot of agility, and a lot of speed. So
maybe you're not getting the stat because this team, more
than any other team that you made face, has different
guys that are versatile, that can move their feet. He

(47:21):
doesn't have a problem getting by James Harden. He has
not had a problem getting by James Harden at all.
Chris Faults gonna be a little tougher. P J. Tucker
is a little more physical tropor reason a little bit longer.
Click Capella's a little bit longer. So that's something that
you're going to run into when there's only four teams
left playing. It felt like k D. I felt like
k D. Went back to Game six against the Warriors

(47:43):
when he was on the thunder k D right like
a couple he got he got shoved way out of
the post and shot one off the backboard, took an
ill time three that didn't draw iron, and then because
he was suddenly playing with Looney and Jordan Bell and
uh and Draymond is not looking for the catch and
sho jump shot that that lanes not as open, and

(48:05):
and he seemed really he seemed a little bit lost
as opposed to the really confident k D we had
seen previously. You've seen Kevin Durant play more than anybody
I know. What was your assessment of what went wrong
with his play? If honestly does I don't think that
was as much k D as it was the entire
Golden State Warriors team. If you look at that fourth quarter,
it looked like they switched places with the Houston Rockets,

(48:27):
meaning they beclaim completely isolation base. Whoever got the ball
went one on one and they played that way. And
just like any other team minutes league, when those shots
are going, it's fantastic, whether or not your isolin or not.
But when those shots aren't going, and when the ball
is not moving for Golden State like it does every
game all year long, that's what makes them so good.

(48:47):
And you become isolation base and those shots aren't falling, man,
it looks really, really bad. And yesterday in that fourth
quarter is one of the worst twelve minutes fans that
I've seen out of the Golden State Warriors and quite
something on all Right, So what happens when they go
to Houston? I think they take care of business, I
really do, because they have so much. They have so much. Um,

(49:10):
you can't if you're in the Houston Rockets, you can't
rely on Golden State going whatever. They were three for
eighteen and the fourth quarter again, that's not gonna happen.
They're too good. They have too many weapons, they have
too many options. UM. What's weird is it was different
seeing certain units out there andre Aga Dollar, but not
being in there yesterday hurt because it made their bench

(49:32):
a lot shorter. So the seed Jordan Belle out there
in quunch time minutes was a little different. That was
a little different for me, Um, because you're used to
sing whatever you want to call them, the Death five,
the Hampton five, whatever you want to call them. Used
to sing that five on the floor, five guys that
can shoot it space the floor, uh, defend with a
high basketball. I Q and Jordan Bell being this rookie

(49:53):
year doesn't really fit the criteria of that Hampton five.
So that threw a little monkey rinch and what they
were trying to get accomplished. But with all that being said,
you're gonna help the Andre Gadallar back. I think you're
right back to where you want to be. All right,
let's help me out with with tonight. Uh. Look, we
know the Celtics or Underman without their two best scores,
but didn't see the matter in games won. In Game two,

(50:15):
they go on the road and they look much the
way they've looked on the road throughout the playoffs. What
happens tonight? Man? You know what, this is a toughie.
You know, out of all of the series thus far,
this is the one that's the hardest to call because
to me, it comes down to the Cavaliers other guy
knocking down shots. Jr. Smith, Uh, Carl Corver, George Hill,

(50:38):
Kevin Love. If those other guys play well, Cleveland wins
because Lebron is not enough to beat the Boss and
Celtics by itself like he was the Indiana Pacers And
the difference between the Indian the Pacers series going seven,
the Toronto Rapper series going forward, and this one has
to do with the other guy. Lebron's gonna be the

(50:58):
best player on the plan it no matter what But
what comes down to, what it comes down to is
those ever died, if they come along and they're engaged
and focused like they were at home, which a lot
of times for role players it's difficult to do on
the roads. If they're engaged like they were at home
on the road, then I think they win. And if
they struggle on the road like they have in the path,

(51:20):
then they probably lose the game. Yeah, yeah, I was.
I was, honestly. Antonio Daniels joining us longtime pro of
course an NBA champion, covers the NBA for Fox Sports Oklahoma,
joining us do gotlip show, Fox Sports Radio. I was
thinking of you the other night. I was watching Kyle
Korver hit all tho shots and read the story about
you know his brother passed away this year, thinking about
when you're when your brother Patrick tragically died and how

(51:40):
you played through it. Um, what what? What? What's that
like for you to watch somebody else go through this
in the NBA and in the NBA playoffs? Well, for me,
it's almost like a situation where you kind of understand
it because the NBA, the basketball, of the locker room,
your teammates, it all becomes a sanctuary because basically, when

(52:01):
you're going through something like that, that's all you have
to keep your mind off of the tragic situation that
everybody else is your family is going through. So once
you walk out of that locker room and people aren't
cheering anymore, and you're not hearing the fans and your
teammates aren't there, you go right back to that place.
So you try and stay and engulf yourself in the
sport as much as you possibly can, and it really

(52:24):
gives you something to go out there, like added motivation
to play for you know, you're not just going out
there and playing for yourself. You're not just playing for
your teammates. You're not just playing for the money. You're
playing in memory of someone else, which means a lot more. Yeah,
I remember, I think, didn't you Didn't you score the
game winner right the for your first game back after
he passed away. Yeah, because Eastern Michigan at the time,

(52:46):
they are rand in the country. Gared Dial, Earl boy
Kinds and all those guys. That the craziest, craziest basketball
situation I've ever been a part of, but also the
most memorable. Well, listen, I remember it. You're an incredible
player do a great job as analyst. Thanks so much
for joining us. Really appreciate it. Antonio Daniels joining us.
One of the all time very good guys, good players,

(53:07):
and he's does an excellent job breaking down Thunder games
for five Sports Oklahoma. You've heard him throughout the dial.
We gotta have him on more often. He's he's, he's,
he's yeah. So this is the this is the story.
I don't know if you guys probably don't remember, I'm
gonna say it was nineties. Six was six my first
year in college. I mean I was in Oaklah, I
was at the Notre Dame and his brother was and

(53:31):
his brother died just like collapsed at his apartment and died.
And Antonia has spent a couple of days away and
then comes back. They play against Eastern Michigan, and damn
if he didn't have the game winning layup to beat
Eastern Michigan uh in a in an upset, like four
days or something after his brother died. So and if

(53:51):
you read that Brian Windhorse story today and you saw
Kyle Corp, remember Corver only played four games late in
the season his brother died tragically, just contracted an illness.
He was going to get a liver transplant. Was a
liver was en route to being transplanted into him, and
all of a sudden he coated a couple of times,
and by you know, one o'clock in the afternoon, they

(54:12):
shut off the machines and he passed away. And you know,
he's incredibly close with his brother. And then Corver played
one of the great games in his career, going back
to Nights Go at thirty seven years old. I just thought,
that's how I thought. There was a parallel though the road.
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Spoorts Radio. So Monday, we're in Las Vegas and you know,
NBA playofficer on going and Vegas has always been a
huge Raiders town. They're gonna get the Raiders eventually. Huge
NBA town. Uh, big Lakers town. Lakers have always played
preseason games there. Of course that's only expanded with Summer
League moving there. All high school stuff emanates from Vegas,

(55:45):
but never would I think as a hockey town. But
from the moment you get off the plane, and until
the moment you get back on the plane, you're like, man,
they are, they're into this stuff. The Vegas gold Nights
have taken the hockey world by absolute storm, and they're
sitting here waiting for Game seven a night to find
out if they got a home game against the Caps

(56:05):
or road one against the Lightning. Uh they'll know soon,
so will we. Riley Smith joins us on the Doug
Gatlap Show on Fox Sports Radio. Where were you when
you found out you were uh, you were taking the
expansion draft. Um. I actually found out, um that morning
because it was imminent trade. So I was actually Implorida

(56:28):
leaving our practice facility because I was paraty in the
my summer training routine when r G M there told
me that, uh, I was gonna be traded that night.
All right, so what was what was your reaction? We're like, Okay,
I'm gonna go to Vegas. I guess Yeah. It was
just a little bit like that actually, because up to

(56:49):
that point, I've only been there once and it was
for my brothers bachelor party. So um. Obviously there's a
lot more that goes on here other than just you know,
the life and everything. But um, for me, it's been
a great transition and I couldn't be happier with how
everything's played out for me. Of course, your brother Brendan
plays for the for the Rangers. Doug Gotlip Show, Fox

(57:10):
Sports Radio, Riley Smith joining us, Um, you don't have
to tell us what happened to the bachelor party, but
where did you hold it? Where did you was there
one specific casino I mean, I'm sure every all signs
point to the Rhino in the club, and but what
what what? What where did you guys stay? Um? The Cosmo?
Oh that's uh, you know it's a it's a good spositive,
a lot of really nice restaurants there. Okay, so your

(57:32):
image of Vegas is, yeah, I've been there. It's cool town.
But now you're gonna have to live there. Your first
your honest first impression, your text. You call your brother
and he's like, what's it like? What was your first
impression of being a member of the Las Vegas Golden Knights.
Well that day obviously, you know, being traded three times,

(57:54):
it's it's a little bit of a whirlwind. But um,
you know there's a lot of different and mixed emotions. Um.
But one thing I've learned is, you know, around every
corner there there's some great things, and um, you know,
happy that everything has turned out so great. Um, you know,
the mixed emotions come from you know, I expected that
I was going to be in Florida since they signed

(58:16):
me to a long germ deal, um that previous summer.
So um, things changed quickly, especially in professional sports. So
that's one thing that I've learned is you know you
can turn that page quickly, Uh, move on because there's
a lot of great things around the next corner. When
was there a moment this season to which you were thinking, well,
this is prot we goin the whole thing? No, not really.

(58:40):
I think you know, we've kind of lived by the motto.
It's just you know, take a day by day, game
by game, and you know we're still not there. There's
still you know, a huge test in front of us.
But I think our team has done a great job
just to day and even kale throughout the whole thing
and do a whole throughout this whole experience. So many
different people, um, you know, the media to the people

(59:02):
around the game, you know expected us to have some
big slump somewhere throughout the middle of the season, and
that never happened. And I think that was the biggest
shock to two onlookers. Um you know that that have
been around the game for a while. Riley Smith joining
us on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Yeah. Obviously,
about a month ago, you had incredible game, six points
in a seven nothing, uh seven nothing, seven seven nothing

(59:25):
win over the San Jose Sharks. That kind of peaked
and and really got you in a groove in the playoffs.
I wonder though, whether this long, this is a pretty
long layoff, how hard is it going to be to
stay sharp for Game one. The funny thing is is
we've had layoffs between every one of our series. We've
kind of been waiting for them the next game after

(59:45):
each one, because you know, to finish the first series
and four, and then San Jose and six, and then
Winnipeg and five. It seems like we've been breeding to
find out our next supportment for a while. So I
think we're kind of used to it by now. And
extra days, you know, they're nice to have a little
bit of rest and uh, deal up your body a
little bit. But I think we've gone to a little

(01:00:07):
bit of a routine where we know how many days
to take off and how many days of practice stuff
to be. It's tough with the travel. Um you know,
if it's Washington or Tampa and you're ex flying cross country,
it's five hour flights in the time difference. They're tough.
But I think we're figuring it out. Are you guys
getting together watching it together? You're watching on your own,
like what's the plan to night. I'm just gonna watch it, uh,

(01:00:29):
blown in my place. But you know, the craziest thing
is is how much time we've been able to have
and do team events throughout this playoffs. You know, it's
definitely a long, long process where you know, it takes
two months or a little over two months for this
whole playoff to play out, but we've done a lot

(01:00:50):
of team dinners and things along those lines, right, So
you're kind of sick of the guys, right even you're like,
who is your Riley Smith joining us from the Las
Vegas Golden Nights? I want, I want as honest and
you can give me. There's gotta be a guy who
you're actually really close friends with, you actually really like,
but right now, kind of sick. I've spent a ton
of time around them. His opinion, I don't really have

(01:01:13):
any so, uh, just a technick group we as yours.
But it's it's been it's been fun. You know. There's
a lot of different personalities on this team and a
lot of different guys playing different things to the table.
So um, it's great and we're able to get together
as a team and even through the playoff series, when
you're on the wrong thing. Definitely, everyone you know, the

(01:01:35):
team is as a partnership with MGM and MGM has
Um has all these performers, and to anyone who has
not been or seen a game they do it, it's
an incredible job they do during those kind of twenty
second time outs of it's like a show. It's it's
unlike any other hockey game anywhere else in the world.

(01:01:56):
Do you ever get caught up? I mean, look, I
know these games are incredibly intense to spend actually the
level you're playing up now, but do you ever get
caught up in watching some of the show stuff they're doing. Absolutely,
you know, you should have to be crazy not to um.
I think, you know, the whole management teams are such
a great job putting on different things just to keep

(01:02:16):
the fans um so engaged in the game. And I
think anyone who's never seen a Vegas game the team
mobile arena, it's something you should knock it off on
your bucket list because it's, uh, it's an experience like
no other hockey game. The fans are engaged in the
entire time. It's loud, study, it's a lot of fun.
But as a player. You know, you're you picked up

(01:02:37):
at the job. Will draw on every now and then
and see what's going on and see you know why
all the fans are going so crazy? Um okay, so
what about back home in Canada? Right like you grew
up hockey family, this is all you ever wanted to do.
And we may have Tampa Bay versus Vegas for the
Stanley Cup. How is this going over back home? I

(01:03:00):
don't know, but you know a lot of fans and
family they like to make their trips out to Vegas,
so they get really excited and you know they're full support,
um for the Vegas Golden Nights. And ever since I
was moved here, Um, you know, there's been a lot
of support and a lot of love that has come
out this way. So that's uh, you know, that's it's

(01:03:20):
been awesome. I think for maybe the game in canada's
hurting a little bit just because of the drup they've
had from having a team make it to the Stanley
Cup finals. And I know, um, you know they're last
hope of the Winnipeg Jets. You know they had they
had a great season, but someone had to pull out
of that series. So we're obviously very fortunate that we
were able to. But it is a little different scenario

(01:03:44):
when you think of having Tampa in Vegas for the
possible finals. No question, you guys go and stab the
Jets on their I their home ice. Um, John Cooper,
you're your coach. He's come out and said, look, this
is not a Cinderella story. You know we wanted division
hundred nine points on the season. How do how do
you want do you want us to see it as
a Cinderella story? Like? How would how would you like

(01:04:04):
us to portray your team's tale? Honestly, I don't care.
It's been such an amazing ride. Um, you know, all
the media portrays that they can do however they want to.
I think just how we've done it inside this locker
room and in the type group that we have. Um,
you know that's the story for us. Whatever wants to

(01:04:26):
be portrayed, let that happen. But um, you know, we've
had a great season so far. It's been a hell
of a ride. We're not there yet, but uh, you
know fortune, we're happy to be in this point and
ecstatic to be still playing right now. All right, Look,
you've answered all those questions. Perfectly, But I want, I
want true honesty here. Have you closed your eyes and
thought about what that trip around the ice with the

(01:04:47):
cup would be like if you win four more games? Honestly,
I haven't thought about that. Um when we've won the
the Western Conference, and it took me a second and
had to prince myself a little bit because it was
a moment that you know, I've never said I did
even get to that point, and uh so that was
pretty special and it definitely took me a couple of

(01:05:08):
minutes just just to soak everything in and uh, you know,
revel in the moment. Well, coming back from injury this year,
you know, you missed those fifteen games with the injury,
but to come back and have this run the playoffs,
everybody's paying attention, enjoy watching the game in peace, in
solitude tonight, and then you got a couple more. Thanks
so much for being our guest on Fox Sports Radio. Yeah,

(01:05:28):
thank you, all right, Riley Smith joining us on the
Doug Gottlieb Show. Yeah, I don't I don't think I
would call it a Cinderella story either. It's just one of,
if not the most unique tales in all of professional sports.
Like even if like Winnipeg, because Winnipeg lost the team
a traditional hockey city, you know, it lost the team

(01:05:50):
to Phoenix, you know, going back what years ago or whatever.
Like Winnipeg, there would have been maybe a more of
a Cinderella feel to it because they got a team back.
This one's just had never had a major league professional sport.
They get one, they get other pieces, but like super
talented other Riley had signed a big contract to Florida.

(01:06:12):
Wasn't like he was. He was traded for, you know,
a puck bag, good players for good players. But to
go from that to winning the division, qualifying early for
the winning the Western Conference, get into the Cup, having
this incredible fan support. Also, remember you had the shooting
in Vegas right, you know before their season was gonna launch.

(01:06:33):
Like all of these different factors, I don't know if
I would not use the words Cinderella, but there is
a uniqueness to this tale, the likes of which we
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would you want the would the word be you'd use
for um? Yeah? I don't like Cinderella story because I
just I just think that as like a tournament run
maybe UM or or just like the UM ultimate underdog
in that UM case and they're new, like I like
it with a team as a draft of like fifty

(01:07:18):
years and that breaks through. So they had a draft
of yeah yeah, like when remember when Carolina and Jacksonville
made it to the championship games in their second years
in the NFL. I didn't like it back then. I
thought that there needs to be some growing pains with
the team that too to have that. So that's why
this one has always just felt kind of odd to me.

(01:07:39):
So and NFL owners today have proved a new policy
for the national anthem. All league personnel will be required
to standard respect the flag and the national anthem. The
league is giving the players and personnel the option of
remaining in the locker room during the national anthem. Any
violation of the policy will result in a team fine,
NFL Commission or Roger Goodell or here today. I think

(01:08:00):
the general public has a very strong view for what
respect for the flag is in that moment. We have
language in our policy that talks about that standing at attention,
bats off and focused, and I think the general arbiter
will be the clubs in the league, and we'll work
with our players and get their viewpoint. Also now, the
NFL p A released a statement saying that they weren't
consultant on the new policy and will challenge any portion

(01:08:23):
of it that isn't consistent with the c b A.
Jets chairman Christopher Johnson tells Newsday he'll pay any anthem
related league fines for his players. Okay, yes, so the
Jets players don't have to worry about it. USC in
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(01:09:05):
right now, four one in the seventh. You were just
talking hockey, And yes, there is a game seven tonight
as Vegas awaits the winner of the Capitals and Lightning
matchup that faces off at eight o'clock Eastern time. We want,
we want, we want the Caps to win, right, you
want to you want to vet ship get there finally,
and and you want kind of historic you know, one
of the original original six? Do you get in there?

(01:09:26):
That doesn't just make sense? Yes? Are they one of
the original six? I don't think so. Original six are
what Montreal, Toronto, Toronto, Chicago, Boston, Boston, and uh yeah,
who are we missing? I don't think it's the Capitals though,
I mean, did we say Rangers? I did? Okay, yeah,

(01:09:50):
John Robinson says to my ear if if we had it,
but Wings, no, yes, red Wings. Correct. I was wrong.
They're not one of the originals Boston, in Chicago, Detroit, Montreal,
New York, Toronto, original six. There you go. I was wrong.
I was I was I was incorrect. No, sir, you

(01:10:10):
are not correct. So when did the cat When were
the Caps added? That would be my my next question.
I'm not sure original six started in uh. I mean
the Montreal Canadians were founded in nineteen seventeen, so too
were the Leaves, the Blackhawks, Red Wings, Rangers all nine six.

(01:10:31):
So they've been around for a minute, if you will,
They've been around for more than a minute. But Caps
have always been the team that's come up short bite
immense amount of talent, and this team has a chance otherwise,
I gotta tell you, Vegas. As much as I'm super
into the Vegas story, and it is a tough ticket
in that town. Um, that is not the series that
NBC wants, Vegas versus Tampa. You know, it's interesting with

(01:10:54):
the Cinderella that you mentioned as well, because we had
this argument during the n C Double A Tournament that
actually felt that like UNBC was more of the Cinderella
than Loyola was because of their seed, because of being
the six team, like and and I think like as
as a Cinderella. While Loyola went on that run, we
had seen an eleven seed do that before. We had

(01:11:16):
seen a mid major do it, you know before where
U NBC was so new, so different, But then I
look at Vegas thinks so maybe I'm contradicting myself and
trying to decide what is Cinderella and what isn't. Vegas
was always on top, like I mean, once the game started,
they were winning, and there was never like any like
climb to become Cinderella. So that's maybe why you just

(01:11:38):
have a different view of it. Um. Last last question,
Brewers after their best fifty game start in franchise history. You,
being a resident Brewer fan, are you all in on
this team that they do not remember? Cubs are still
in their division. Cubs have a plus sixty three run
run differential as opposed to the Brewers of one three
in row only plus twenty five, So baseball guy would

(01:11:59):
tell you eventually water will find its level there. Uh.
Pittsburgh St. Louis also off to good starts so far.
Are you how how much of a buyer are you
into the brew Crew? Yeah? I I am a buyer.
Is a buyer into the brew Crew for sure. Starting
pitching does have a bit of a question, um, But
I think that the way that this the the bullpen

(01:12:20):
is um. Not only with Hater, but Jeffries and how
Kennable us back. Um. We've seen in the you know
previous series on how much a bullpen can affect a series,
and I think Milwaukee's got one of the best. And
when ten of their last thirteen games, Doug got the
show Fox Sports trade. One of the other stories you
heard from Dan Buyer was about the NFL and now

(01:12:42):
apparently they passed a rule today with Roger Goodell came
out and announced that you can stay in the locker
room if you want and not come out for the
national anthem, or you can come out for the anthem,
but you gotta stand or your team is going to
be fine. Here's Ed York, who's the owner of the

(01:13:02):
San Francisco forty Niners, talking about why he abstained from voting.
We want to make sure that we have an all
encompassing sort of solution to how we look at this
and not point the finger at one group or another,
and really come together and have a great conversation with
our players and figure out how do we do the
right things for social justice reform and and do it
in a way that you know, we want to still

(01:13:23):
bring attention to it. But do it in a way
that it can be as sort of dignified in our
entire encompassing approach. Yeah, that is a terrible non answer.
I wanted to be more dignified. I wanted to be
more at like, that's great, we gotta vote. You want
to vote? Nah, I wanted to be more dignified. Okay,
well we're gonna put this in place. If you don't

(01:13:45):
vote against it. Now, I want to be more all
encompassing more so in other words, you don't. If you
don't like it, then vote against it. Then vote against it.
I don't. I struggle with this one. Boys, I just
do It's it's the this is this feels like post

(01:14:09):
election reaction all over again. Right, I don't. I didn't.
I didn't like either candidate, so I didn't vote, or
I voted third party. Like, look, if you don't, if
somebody you really don't like that one person like, you
better vote against them because otherwise it's going to get past.
That's what happened. A lot of people are upset and

(01:14:32):
how how it went down. A couple of Novembers ago,
are the same people who chose you know, I'm just
not into what I'm not gonna do it. They're like, whoa,
how could you guys ever vote this guy in? Why
didn't you vote against it? So do I think this
is a great policy? Of course not. This is the look.

(01:14:56):
Just don't come out if you don't want to protest.
It's it's a bad policy. It's not great. It's the
same one the NBA has, by the way, um, But
I'm also about I'm just not the right person to
ask him for this. That's the real truth to this,
because I'm not really that bothered. I'm a little bit

(01:15:18):
bothered image that I portraysed my kids or whatever, but
not so much so that I'm not gonna watch the NFL.
I don't love it. I don't like the message. Like
I like this. I think there are ways in which
you could draw attention to yourself and you can draw
attention to the world's problems, and you can help do
something more than just hey, I'm gonna taking me. On
the other hand, it has gotten people's attention, Now, has

(01:15:42):
there been enough follow up on it? Have are there
people who can articulate what they're upset about and how
to begin a process of healing and fixing some of
these problems. Those I haven't heard enough of. But I
guess maybe maybe it's because I'm not the one who
was called in the NFL and saying I was upset.
I do feel like the people who are saying the

(01:16:05):
sponsors who are saying they're upset, are sponsors that are
reacting more too a small number as opposed to the
greater majority who look, we were over it, or we're
really bothered by part of it and ready for it

(01:16:26):
to go away. Mh, but dude, let's not give jed
ord a pass. I hate the abstention vote. Did you
vote for it? No? I did not. So you vote
against it? No? I did not. I vote to saying why, Well,
I think there's a better, more all encompassing plan. Well,
the only way to get something different proposed is to

(01:16:48):
knock down this proposal is to vote against it and
to get others to vote against it. Correct. Yes, of course,
I was born at night, not last night. Nick Right
is tired of people making excuses for Steph Curry. I'll
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I got an interesting thought on this up protests and

(01:17:31):
what the NFL decided to do. I think so many
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or two. Find agent Farmers dot com. Nick Right had
this to say in regards to Steph Curry. Step can
ants all he wants. It ain't great when you go
one for ten post dance. It also ain't great. People
need to tell me, is Steph Curry's injury just magically
healed for third quarters of home games? Because here's step

(01:18:12):
in this series. Let's just go side by side. On
the left hand column is the third quarter of the
two home games thirty five points, seventy six percent from
the field, seventy from three. Here's the fourteen other quarters
sixty two points percent from the field from three. So
maybe the knee injury, like at halftime at home, they

(01:18:33):
can do something to it, but it wears off come
the fourth quarter. Yeah, listen, Obviously Nick doesn't like step
or maybe the narrative around stuff right, the step can
walk on water. He doesn't like Step does many of
the same celebrations as a James Harden. He's a big,
hardened guy, used to do radio in Houston. He's a
big believer in the Rockets system and that they're smarter

(01:18:54):
than everybody else, which is interesting because like the whole
analytics thing was based upon ball movement. People were not
just shooting threes, and of course they went to an
ice so heavy offense because that's the personnel that they have. Um,
he's right in that Steph isn't classically injured and falling
back on the he's hurt when he's not playing well

(01:19:15):
does seem like weak sauce Nick Nick right is absolutely correct.
I will offer up two different points. One is that
Steph isn't saying, nor has he ever said, he's hurt.
This is simply people calling a game that he's reacting to.
The second part is this and this is equally important.
Just because you're back and you're healthy doesn't mean that

(01:19:37):
you're going to be the exact same player. Part of
this is the NBA is far more physical in the
postseason is in the regular season, when he was able
to absolutely explode um, and so the physicality, as well
as the fact that he has to guard the ball
so much more often, probably wears anybody down, even if

(01:19:59):
they're healthy. And when you hadn't played in a month
and you come back to playing in playoff games, it's
you're always feeling like you're playing catch up. Here's here's
the easiest parallel I can make. Let's say you go
to a new school and they had worked ahead of
where your old school had had worked. And so even
though you know the material and you're relearning or you're

(01:20:22):
learning things that others had already known, you're always feeling
like you're playing catch up because there's just things in
your educational base that you may have skipped over because
you switch schools. That's what I think people are saying
about Staff more so than just he's hurt and that's
why he's not playing well. All right, we got a

(01:20:42):
ton more to get to metric Ton Next hour from
salam is gonna join us. Former NFL offensive lineman also
a host here on Fox Sports Radio, Chris Bruce sarg
Is gonna join us. We'll get his thoughts on last
night's game, try and figure out what KD was thinking.
I have a thought, um and we got the press.
We'll get this more as many stories as we possibly can.

(01:21:02):
But coming up next, I want to get to this.
I I I think that often times the intended effects
are valid, are sound, and are true with our virtues.
It's the unintended effects. Imagine if players do decide to

(01:21:24):
protest in some form of fashion like strike because of
this ruling. I'll discuss next in the dug out the
show What Up Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. What
you saw last night was why I love sports? Why
I love sports. You saw the absolute best from Steph

(01:21:47):
Curry for about a five minutes. You're like, man, how
does the feels like he never missed a shot? And
yet you saw Chris, Paul Trevories, p J. Tucker, James
Harden five back, fight back and not just go like
it's goodyear depths alright, one to three cancoon didn't see
any of that and we got a surprise ending, a

(01:22:10):
plot twist, Kevin Durant firing off shots that aren't close
and then turning down a seventeen footer Clay Thompson looking
like Trevor reaza Is physically stuck to him was super glue.
And Steph Curry not touching the ball in the last
possession then getting the ball with point five seconds ago
probably wouldn't have counted both wide open it misses. You

(01:22:35):
saw an upset, you saw a plot twist. You saw
something you assumed to be a formality completely changed. And
if you don't like that, if you can't respect that,
then you probably you probably shouldn't do this whole sports
thing right, Like there should be something you like movies

(01:22:58):
or cartoons or whatever. Her I don't know who you
think of, the good guy or the bad guy, whatever
you thought. This was a surprise ending, and the way
in which it happened, and the fact that a team
that had just won a championship played like a team
that had not been in that situation before, as opposed

(01:23:19):
to the team who had not won anything, coached by
a guy who had not won anything since you won
a couple of Italian championships looked a lot more calm now. Look,
Houston took bad shots down the stretch. Houston couldn't score.
Houston made a free throw up to the point five
seconds ago they shouldn't have made. He used to make
playing mistakes in their own but Golden State has been

(01:23:42):
there before and done that, and they looked like they
had not beauty to sports, right. The other beauty of
sports is when you're watching that game, was there ever
a moment to which you thought about the national anthem
and flag protest? Like? No, So I I do understand
that that, you know, television has kind of changed. Like

(01:24:07):
television at least over the air, television is going to
go away from scripted shows. Those will be Netflix and
Amazon occasionally they'll have some scripted ones, but you have
unscripted programming and it's either sports, politics or reality that
that's what they are. But people don't like their sports
and their politics, and they don't like their politics and

(01:24:30):
their sports. And so while I do think that most
players who participated in the protests during the national anthem,
it's important, like we don't even contextualize it, right, It
wasn't a protest of the national anthem that it's a
protest that plays out during the national anthem, not about

(01:24:52):
the national anthem. It's about police brutality. But but how
it's perceived is not how it's intended to be perceived.
It's just not And there's a portion of us, look,
I don't do I know some people yeah, is it me? No,

(01:25:13):
But there's a portion of people are like, you know what,
I just I don't like it. I don't like it.
And while you may say, well, you don't need those people.
Michael Jordan's famous statement is Republicans by sneakers to mom right.
If businesses are based upon fans, and enough fans are

(01:25:36):
saying enough is enough, you've got to somehow react. But
the sometimes the reaction is honest, is earnest, is you
just I know there's a lot of the protest was
kindly quietly going away, and then newly elected President Trump

(01:25:57):
said something about it, and then people started testing Trump
more so than protesting what they're originally protesting for. Now,
the NFL has passed this rule to which, hey, you
don't have to come out for the anthem. If you
do and you kneel or you put up a fist,
you can get fined, team can get fined, team can

(01:26:18):
decide how they want to find you. The rule actually
mirrors that of the NBA, and I think the intentions
of it are, let's just get this done. Get the ruling,
will take a hit, and we'll move on to bigger things.
The problem with it is the players, even though there
was a conversation, had weren't lockstep arm in arm during

(01:26:40):
this announcement, and so now the players are forced to
likely want to protest again. Hey, I dare you unify me?
Which is gonna cause the end NFL to find them
and bring even more attention to something outside of what
it originally was intended to bring attention to. It's it's

(01:27:01):
not as much the intended effects, it's the unintended consequences
of all of this stuff. He from Salam joins us
in the Doug Galic Show. I saw him on CNN
earlier today. You can hear him on Fox Sports Radio.
He's also a dear friend and a supremely talented broadcaster,

(01:27:21):
as he was a tremendous offensive lineman the National Football League.
What was your reaction when you saw what Roger Goodell
announced today as far as the new policy on national anthems.
I was disappointed, I really was. It took me to
a place of Okay, we thought the owners and the

(01:27:42):
players were coming together during the whole divisiveness from Donald
Trump and and and going after the NFL. To me,
it seemed like we had these meetings. Okay, we was
gonna meet with the players, although Colin Kaepernick wasn't even
involved in the meeting, which didn't make any sense to me.
But okay, well we'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
So I I just assumed that they were working together

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with the players in the NFL Players Association to come
up with a way that we can put this behind
us and both grow from it. Right, to put the
put the focus back on the original issue and what
we can do as billionaires and owners to help support
the communities that these players come from. And then to

(01:28:26):
hear these rules and hear them levy out what the
fines will be if players decide to protest uh during
the national anthem, and also the players who do want
to protest get to stay in the locker room. You
want to talk about creating more division? Was the team?
They completely blew it. They went the complete opposite direction

(01:28:50):
that they should have gone. And it's not surprising because
when they were coming up with these rules, and and
and and putting this in place, no players were involved
in the current reversations, nor were any players representation, NFL,
p A or anything like that. There was no conversations
leading up to the new rule implementing the new rules,
So of course they missed the mark. They're they're trying

(01:29:13):
to save faith and and protect the shield, which I
know that's what they do, right they protect of course,
you want to protect your business, protect the shield. But
what they've done is they've made, like you said, if
the protests was dying down, voices were being heard not
about being on patriotic, but about the cause. And now

(01:29:34):
you're pretty much forcing the players to choose the side,
which as a as a company, why would you want
to do that your most valued commodity, which is the players.
Why would you want to alienate them more than they
already were alienated? The President already gave you the fadder
to to come together, and now you they're pretty much

(01:29:57):
sided with what the president said. They did. They did
exactly what Donald Trump's agenda was, And how can that
be in just a couple of months ago they were
all up in arms against him. Yeah, I don't. I
think the again. I think honestly, the intent is to
make it go away so that it doesn't give him
any more fodder. But he'll claim victory on it. Right.

(01:30:20):
It's it's no different honestly than the North Korea thing. Right,
Like North Korea's economies and shambles cost a ton of
money to do the nuclear thing. They couldn't get rockets
off the ground. Everybody, everybody knew that they were all
false claims. So like, you know what, we're gonna shut
this thing down because it's just it's not economically viable.
And then he's gonna go, hey, this this is all

(01:30:41):
me did. That's it's all me, right. But that's that's
what that's what he does, right. That's he's kind of
like Bieber and that he goes into the winning locker
room and claims that he's been a long time fan.
That's kind of what he does. What if you were
in charge, what would you've done? I would have got
together with a group of players to the representatives and say, hey,

(01:31:02):
you guys, give bring five guys all right, both sides,
guys who are four the let's come together and let's
really talk about this. What can we do to put
the focus in the narrative back on what it is,
because you know, they didn't do it. They didn't they
gave us a pacifier. What we're finding out is that
the meeting was to pacify us, right, because if it was,

(01:31:25):
if it was a productive meeting, then these rules, this
rule was has never been implemented. It's no way that
the players are like, okay, they had any say or
anything about this rule because it completely alienates one side.
So that's impossible. So if I, if I was you know,
the commissioner, I would say, hey, look it putting the rule,

(01:31:46):
implementing a rule that doesn't do anything for us. Right,
the players want to bring acknowledgement to the original issue,
which is police brutality. So let's come up with a
way to talk about that. Let's take the narrative away
from being about being unpatriotic, because it's it was never
intended to be that. They allowed Donald Trump to push

(01:32:10):
that narrative, which swallowed up the entire protests. So now
it's all about these millionaire athletes, majority of them African Americans,
not being unpatriotic. And we're paying their salaries. That's what
it turned in to be, and then that's not it
at all. So so what happens now, Um, what what
happens is they're going to be some players that are

(01:32:31):
going to take that fine, and what's gonna happen there.
It's gonna escalate it. It's gonna be players that don't
come out. So now all the news media and the
reporters will be watching to see which players are in
the locker room, which players are not. Look at this example.
So when I was playing, I had a pretty bad
ankle injury, so I used to get my ankle shot

(01:32:52):
up before I came out. Right. Many times I would
be in the locker room during the national anthem because
I had to get it as close to game time
as parts of right. And it's a myriad of other
treatments that players go through. Everybody's not out there doing
the national anthem because every player is different. Sometimes they
have things to do. Sometimes I got it needs the bathroom.
So if it just so happens one weekend, I'm in

(01:33:13):
the bathroom or I'm getting treatment before the game starts
and I mentioned the national anthethem the national anthem do
I have to answer questions about that all week or
why I missed? What's my protest about? Why would you
put your players in that situation? They know all players
aren't out there doing the national anthem. They know this,
So why would you create an environment to where now

(01:33:37):
your forced as a player like, Okay, I need this
treatment or a need to go to the bathroom, but
I gotta be out here for this because I don't
want it to be misconstrued that I'm processed like that
shouldn't even be your thought going into playing the football game, right,
So that's the that's the the chasm that they've created.

(01:33:59):
Would implet Why would you? Why would you make that rule?
We look, everybody knows. It's no secret that we didn't start.
It was times when I played earlier in my career
that the entire team wasn't even on the field for
the national anthem. That only started when the U. S.
Military starts putting money into the NFL because it's the

(01:34:20):
greatest marketing tool on the planet Earth. So now for
those videos that they show the schools and when they
at the recruitment centers and they show everybody sending an
attention with the American flag on the field at all
of the NFL games and all of that. That's a
tremendous marketing tool. So once the government started to finance
that with the NFL, then all of a sudden it

(01:34:42):
became a thing that we should all be out there
for the national anthem. I understand all of that, okay,
And and I completely agree with you that you end
up playing in the hands of the president. That's like,
this is just playing his game on his term to
which he know the he it likes to use the
term rigged. It was rigged to where there there's no

(01:35:04):
other other option other than to him to win. I
guess the issue is at some point you gotta have
some sort of closure in it. You just can't have
continual protest if there is a portion of your fan
base which is upset. I don't know how many people
there are, I don't know how many calls are, how
legitimate it is, but there is a sense that at
least a portion, however small, of your fan base isn't

(01:35:26):
into that sort of protest. It thinks it takes away
from their love affair with the National Football League. And this,
at least on some levels, reaction to that no, it is.
And the thing is a panic, the NFL panic because
when you really look at the numbers, there wasn't enough
significant drop and attendance or viewership to warrant such a

(01:35:48):
drastic thing. And when you when you look at it,
remember remember Papa Johnny came out and made the statement
about the protest. Guess what, Papa john is no longer
the piece of the NFL, right, guess just who stepped
in pizza hut right away. It didn't even take a day.
So the bottom line is advertising and companies are still
going to pay premium to be part of the NFL

(01:36:09):
because it still is the number one American sports league
in the country. It is in the world. So the
fact that you think that you're going to lose money
by supporting your players right and coming up with the
uh something that you both can you can benefit from

(01:36:30):
that you had to rush to judgment and implement a
rule that you think is going to benefit that portion
of the alienated fan base, which wasn't that large at
all anyway. That's ridiculous, that's that's a panic mode. Here,
here's the one question I have for you. It's essentially
the same rule, same policy, that the NBA has was

(01:36:51):
because the NBA players have a voice. Why can't Why
can't the NFL players have voices? Because that's not how
the NFL works. The NFL is built on the shield.
Let me, actually this the rules, not just in this
contact the context of this rule. It's essentially the same thing. Right,

(01:37:12):
But guess what. Guess what the NBA does. It allows
their players to protest. Right. So when you look at
the shooting shirts of the Cleveland Cavaliers and they all
have hands up, hands up or whatever, they can breathe right,
I can't breathe right. The NFL would never allow that.

(01:37:34):
They would never allow that, So they don't allow the
players to have a voice that they can use the
look that, then, those T shirts didn't do anything. All
it did was bring awareness where awareness needs to be brought.
The game went on, people enjoyed. It was no big deal.
Now when you try to stifle that, when you try
to take a player's voice away. The NFL is all

(01:37:54):
about the shield, not the players. It's never been you can't.
We always have the argument. We talk about it all
the time. Who's the greatest basketball player? There's a list
of them, at least five people and they bury Jordan Lebron,
Kobe whatever, whatever. But we have that conversation when you
say who's the best NFL player ever? That that's not
a conversation people have because it's more than the player.

(01:38:16):
For the NFL, they built the league around the shield,
not the players about around the shield. And that's why
it's a difference. In the NBA, those players have the
ability to voice themselves in the In the NFL, it's
not like that. It's doing our way period. You will
not be able to They find a player for wearing
pink cleats entire year. Yes, yes, died of cancer. Understand ridiculous.

(01:38:41):
I think it's ridiculous. To one, it could be addressed
in the collective part in agreement. Secondly, those those you
can do it during my cause, right my cleat my cause,
And third you can do it pregame cleats. These dudes
where whatever they want, just like NBA players where their
shooting church. Why can't the NFL players protest on their
cleats before the game. They can't listen. I gotta go,

(01:39:04):
I gotta go. Great job on on CNN? Are we
we doing any more political talk tonight? Are we doing you?
On Fox newser CNN. Which one are you on? I'm
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I will sprinkle this a little day baseball to start
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(01:40:50):
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and National scoreless in the fifth inning. NFL owners unanimous
approving a new policy for the national anthem. All league
personnel will be required to standard respect the flag in
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personnel the option of remaining in the locker room during
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result in a team fine. The NFLPA released a statement
saying that they weren't consulted on the new policy and
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(01:41:34):
Winner goes to the Stanley Cup Final to face the
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Cavs and Celtics Game five of the East Finals. That
series tied up at to a piece. Doug, Thank you
so much. Dan Doug got the show Fox Sports Radio. Um,
all it's crazy. Let let me first set the scene
for you as to what all the players said happened

(01:41:55):
last night. Let's start with with Kevin Durant comes down
with the basketball down two points. Here's Kadi's assessment of
that ill fated play, race stor down. I was trying
to see if I had some options. I've seen Clay
running along the baseline, and uh, maybe you should have
waited until he set his feet, But I just threw
a bounce pass and try to relocate for But man,

(01:42:16):
that's not the reason why we lost the game. I
mean wish, I wish it could have been a better
possession at the end, but you know, we gotta live
with that and move on and be better next game.
Here's a Steve Kerr on his team. I saw Draymond
trying to call it, and I was hoping they'd give
it to us. But you know, we didn't get it.
But I'm always a proponent of pushing the ball off

(01:42:37):
of a miss rather than taking a time out letting
the defense get set up. So I thought we would
get a better shot in transition. That's why I let
him play. Listen, I don't mind letting him play. But
they were just completely discombibulated that fourth quarter. Whether it
was having you know, a Jordan Bell out there or
Keyvan Luney out there, or whether it was the physicality,

(01:42:57):
um they just there was there was very few. Oh
that's a good look, it really is. That's because even
the possession before, uh see that, even the next possession
when they got the ball and and at the inbounds,
Steph Curry drove to the lane and I think he
thought they were going to try and block his shot.
He he missed a lamp but missed it so poorly.

(01:43:18):
Draymond Green got it and got fouled, but there was
no possession. Was Oh, that's a good clean look. Some
of it was Houston's defense, some of his physicality, and
some of it was a mismatched lamp. Let's bring in
Christo Bussard, who's an NBA insider for Fox Sports. You
can also hear him on Fox Sports Radio Sunday's six
to nine pm Eastern Time with Rob Parker. What do

(01:43:39):
you think went so wrong for the Warriors in that
fourth quarter? Well, it was definitely strange seeing Golden State
appear a bit flustered. Um, you know, I think what's
happening in this series, Doug. You know that when teams
switch virtually everything on defense, Uh, it really ease to

(01:44:00):
a lot of isolation, almost a bates the opponent in
the playing isolation basketball. And we've seen Houston get caught
up in it. They do it obviously more than any
other team normally, but I think they've done it a
lot more just because of the way Golden States defending them,
and I think Golden States falling into the same thing. Um,

(01:44:21):
Houston is switching pretty much everything, and that's leading that's
leading Golden State to get out of its typical offense,
especially when Curry is off the floor. Um. And when
they play io um, you know, one man kind of
basketball and the ball is not moving like it normally

(01:44:43):
is for them, then they're a really good team, just
like Houston and some of the other elite teams in
the league. But they're not special. They're not unbeatable. I
think when they play their style, their free falling system
and staff and play and everybody's involve are then they're
unbeatable in my eyes, especially in a seven game series.

(01:45:05):
But when they go you know, it's a lot of
Durant one on one or even Stepford Clay one on
one or whoever. Then they're just a really talented team
that play is kind of like most NBA teams, and
so they're vulnerable. And I think that's some of what
happened last night and why Houston was able to defend

(01:45:25):
them so well. Um, how much trouble do you think
they're in now? I still think they'll win the series. Um,
but look, this is I mean, this is the most
trouble they I mean, they're in trouble. They look. They
played seven times against Houston this season. Houston has won

(01:45:47):
four of them. And now Houston certainly believes, I mean,
and as much as it may have believed coming into
the series, I think it's confidence is sky high now. Um.
The challenge for Hughton is they've got to have Paul
and Hardened play exceptionally well every night. They I mean,

(01:46:08):
both of those guys. They had thirty and twenty seven
and they barely won. And Clay Thompson had a bad
night in steph Curry disappeared in the fourth court and
coming to rand was wasn't on top of his game.
So that shows you. And you know, Harden didn't have
a good fourth quarter, but obviously he was strong up
to that point, and then Paul took it over in
the fourth. So I still think Golden Stay has the

(01:46:30):
big advantage just because they have so many more weapons
and they're not as relying on just two guys. But
this is a real series now. And and Andre Guadala,
what is he like when and if he comes back
in Game five? And then uh, what about Clay Thompson
in that knee? Is that you know something that could

(01:46:51):
hinder him in the games going forward. So they do
have a lot to be concerned about. But I still
think that there's a bet their teams. All Right, let's
go to tonight's series. Uh, just polar opposites. What happened
Game one, Game two, Game three? In game four? Um,
do you think can can Boston get it back in

(01:47:11):
their favor? Well? I think if you're a Boston fan,
you can take some solace in the way they played,
like the last maybe two quarters, quarter and a half
in Cleveland. Um, we know they were blown out early,
but Jalen Brown really got going late fifteen points and
fifteen of his twenty five and the fourth quarter and

(01:47:35):
you know, got them within single digits. And I think
that that could bold well for them as far as
you know them. They're obviously gonna be confident being back
in Boston where they're really a different team. But I
think the fact that Jalen played well and that, you know,
the team actually made a nice little run, I think

(01:47:56):
that's something they're gonna try to build on. Uh. And
not they don't have to go back there having been
blown out of two games, So I think that this
is gonna be a hard fall game. I think it's
gonna be close. I think it's gonna be different from
the other games so far this series. I think it
will be close, and I think Cleveland gonna have to
play incredibly well to pull this out. Doug Out the Show,

(01:48:19):
Fox Sports Radio. I think they'll have to play well.
I do think this feels like a story. We know
how it ends, right Lebron game seven in Boston, that
we feel like it it ends in his favor. Doesn't
it feel that way? Yeah, I mean, I'll tell you
what I I actually think. I think that's in both series.
I think that Golden Saint in Cleveland are gonna win
the next two games and both have win in six. Um.

(01:48:43):
I think that the good news for Cleveland is that
Kevin Love played well in Boston. The averaged about twenty
and eleven in those first two games, didn't really play
all that well in Cleveland. Um, if they if he
can do that again and then a couple of the
role players can just give them double digit scoring. George

(01:49:03):
Hill j R. Smith, Kyle Corver, whoever. You know what
you're gonna get from Lebron. So if the role players
can ride that momentum from Cleveland into Boston. I think
they can pull it out tonight because look, it's obviously
a must win from Boston because if they lose, it's over,
they're gonna get beaten six. But Cleveland, to me, needs
to approach it as a must win as well, just

(01:49:27):
because I agree with you. If it's seven, I'm picking
Lebron James over a bunch of youngsters. But look, they
haven't lost at home yet this season or this playoffs
series playoffs. I'd hate to have to go there on
a Game seven and that be the one game they
lose all playoffs. So I think Cleveland has to try

(01:49:50):
to take him out tonight and in game six, can
we can we officially put to bed the idea that
Boston might be better off without Kyrie and without Yeah, uh,
this is where you can see now that they're missing
and let's face it, they haven't faced elead competition. I mean,
Milwaukee is still a young team that really was trying
to find itself after the coaching change. So they got

(01:50:13):
me and that's they took him seven. And then Philly
was just too young and not really ready for the
clutch moments. Although I think you feel the same way
as I do. Philly could have won that series in
five games if they don't, you know, play so poorly
down the stretch. So uh now that they're facing I mean,
I guess the closest thing that East has to an

(01:50:34):
elite team a true superstar in his prime. You can
see how they need that, that superstar, Kyrie Irving. I
could just watching the games in Cleveland. I was just
sitting there thinking, man, they need a guy that they
know can get him a few buckets on his own,
and that would have been Kyrie. Yeah. Yeah, and to

(01:50:54):
and to another extent, Gordon Heyward, like but like we
have we somehow diminished Gordon Heyward, which but I think
he's one of the five best players, like no, but
twenty best. Yeah, he's in that conference. I mean, look,
he gets you a night, and he can guard multiple
position score from different places on the floor, and he's
not gonna be worse under He'd be the first player
ever to be a worse player with Brad Stevens than
he was without Brad Stevens. Right to all that thing,

(01:51:17):
I think he'ven pretty good there too, well, no no question,
and you know what else does you know this as
the series goes on, there comes a point where all
the adjustments have been made, can you go, can you
just go get a bucket? Exactly? And that Cleveland's got
that type of guy. Obviously in Lebron, Boston doesn't really
have that guy. It's Tatum, that guy at home. I

(01:51:40):
mean maybe here or there, But I don't think consistently yet. No,
I mean I think he's looked. Heck, even last game
they cut it to seven, and uh, Tatum and Brown
both took turns, taken bad shots and and they looked young.
They looked not really look they haven't been great in
this series. I think what happens is like we established

(01:52:02):
reputations based upon a game here, a game they're the
first time we see him, like, wow, he's listen, Jason
TAM's way further long than anybody could have expected. But
he's also got more opportunities we could have expected. But
he's not a refined top twenty player in the league
just yet he has a chance to get there, maybe
much quicker than we thought. Fair Yeah, I agree totally.
I mean, I look, I like Hayward as you do, um,

(01:52:27):
but I think I think Jason Taysen is clearly going
to be better than him, and I think Jaylen Brown too.
The question is when is it next year? Is it
two years from now or what? So that those are
the things Boston. I mean, these are first world problems
they're gonna have this summer. But they're gonna have to
figure out do they do they want to make a
trade to upgrade even more or do they just want

(01:52:49):
to see what they have when everybody's healthy. It's gonna
be fine, fascinating to find out. Great job today on
First Things First and all the other shows you've been on.
Appreciate you joining us on Fox Sports Radio. All right,
thanks Chris Bru Sorry, check them out Sunday night, six
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(01:53:31):
ourselves to get to every one of these. I have
a Ramo said he had a DOCS potment. Then he
told me where he's going and said it's not a
DOCS woman anyway, Go ahead, I know where he's going.
I was there earlier today. Anyway, NFL owners they say
it's unanimous. I say, no one voted against it. How
about that? But they have proved the new policy for
the national anthem. Why wouldn't Jed Yorke vote against it?

(01:53:56):
Maybe it's just these does it have to be unanimous
to pass? So why would he not like? Look if
you don't like it, didn't vote against it. I don't understand. No,
that was Jed York not voting at all. But the
the new policy is gonna take my vote and go
home the strong stance yet. I will say this though,
He's got a really good point about the concessions about

(01:54:19):
trying to stop sales during that time. Because it's true.
I've known many a person, maybe even myself, that said,
you know what, I'll go get my concessions during the pregame,
during the anthem and maybe go back to my seats.
I'm just I'm guilty of it. So I like how
he at least put that out there. I know you

(01:54:39):
kind of thought it was silly, but I think there's
something to it. And like, what if you're walking into
the state, you're like walking in. Yeah, you're like walking in.
You want to grab a beer and a dog, everything stops.
I'm much more offended by the prices than I am
about them the fact they're selling food during the anthem. Yeah, well,
hold on, freeze every is freeze tag. It was like,

(01:55:03):
what was that? What was that? The social media thing
where people froze? What was that called that? That that deal?
There was some challenge at least the ice bucket challenge
brought awareness and then raised money. That was just everybody
was freezing? Remember that? What was that called? I oh,
it was oh um, oh gosh, what what of my tongue?

(01:55:23):
Maybe I'll figure it out. You didn't know it either.
I don't know. But the but the point is is
if kneeling and I know that this is could go
down a different road. But like, okay, you can't kneel,
but you could go buy three broths during the national anthem.
Like that's okay. At least I see Jed York and

(01:55:45):
being like, okay, if if we're gonna stop everything, if
we have to, maybe yeah, stop going in, you know,
put a halt to anybody walking into the stadium. I
can get that. You touched that. Christopher Johnson the Jets earlier,
saying that any player on their team doesn't have to
worry about repercussions because they won't go any I got this,
he's Christopher Jolenson is like no, no, no, I got it. No, no,
I got it. I got this. He's picked up the

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check guy. Yes, rhyme music. Mannequin Challenge, Mannequin Challenge? Right,
are we gonna do the mannequin Challenge? Hold on, Nationals
are playing freeze Anakin challenge. I can't wait and ended
about as quickly as it started. It was really cool
there for like people did some really cool stuff and like, okay,
moving on. I can't wait till like CNN does tens

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and then like they'll be like remember mannequin challenge. Well,
first there was the ice Bucking Challenge. Yes, then there
was a mannequin challenge. Challenge is great. Mannequin Challenge was
just hey, look we can all play freeze tag the
NFL did awards super Bowl fifty seven to Arizona and
Super Bowl fifty eight to New Orleans. No longer a
bidding process amongst cities where they compete, The NFL now

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approaches the market or that, uh I guess host committee
city and then end up voting on if it's gonna
pass her. Not so Arizona, New Orleans getting some future
Super Bowls. I'm surprised Vegas hasn't got one. Right, Vegas
didn't get one, even though l A has one coming. Um,
you know, Tampa is the one to which I think
is most likely warm weather city to get cut. People

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love Miami, New Orleans not going away Phoenix. Everybody loves Scottsdale.
The stadium is out in the middle of freaking nowhere.
I mean, it takes forever to get out there, but
Scottsdale Phoenix is still a good spot. I think there's
one that's like, all right, who's the weakest link, Who's
the most likely to get their flame extinguished? Allah Survivor?
It would be Tampa Survivor finale. By the way, tonight, Nah, Nashville,

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Tennessee will host the twenty nine team NFL Draft. Nash Vegas.
UH it is a good little like in the South,
in the Southeast. That's a really good event town, really
good event town. Olanda gives it gives Clay Travis something
to talk about other than the Predators. The Gormans are
gonna be pumped about it as well. They could tend

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uh in Arlington, Texas. USC and Alabama will open the
twenty college football season at Jerry's World. Remember they did
it in sten but show down between the Trojans and
Crimson Tide. Uh. That should be interesting, fast, fascinating in fact,
if you really want to get down to it. Um,
that's only two years away, so it's not like one
of these Hey, there's some five year olds that eventually

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will play against one another. Last time Alabama played against
USC to open the season was two years ago. It
did not end well for USC in the game, but
it did start the process of getting Sam Donald up
and throwing. Doc Rivers got a contract extension to stay
with the Clippers, who was entering the final year of
his deal. That's surprising to a lot of people. I've
always liked Doc. I do think it's interesting that Doc

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Rivers team does not make the playoffs after being broken
apart because they underachieved and he gets a contract extension.
Dwayne Casey has the best record the Eastern Conference, wins
Coach of the Year, and he's out of a job. Maybe.
John Ramo says he has an appointment with Doc Rivers
coming out after this. Yeah off finally dug. Former MLB
all fielder Lenny Dike Star arrested in charge with making

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terroristic threats and drug offenses this morning in New Jersey
after putting a gun to the head of an uber driver.
He reportedly became angry when the driver when it changed
the destination of the drive. Driver stopped the car near
a police station, right out of the car for help.
That's where police bust a Dike Straw in possession of
cocaine and marijuana. He was nailed by the car. Get

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out there and pressed. That was the press. Wow wow
Lenny Dike stro wow, just wow. But in Jersey. Not crazy.
And then of course Richie Incognito throwing a dumbbell at
some dude also not crazy because it's Florida. It's Richie
Incognito and he's a former he's a full re member
the Bills Mafia. Yeah, not crazy. Ramos is going to

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the chiropractor. I just want to point out chiropractors are
really important in people's world, like when you got a
crick in your neck or a rib out or whatever.
But when they're not doctors. In two, just like Ramos
is learning, they're gonna put you on a plan and
have you in once a week, even though you don't
need to go in once a week. I always say,
thanks doc. Now they're back another back. So all right, listen,

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who you got tonight music? I'll go with the Cavaliers. Cavaliers.
I haven't missed the pick since yesterday and yesterday Rama,
So you got Rama of Dan Barer? Who you got
Celtics at home? I'm taking Celtics at home as well.
Close one, really close one at night. And then, of
course we'll be critical of Lebron even though everybody says
we're never critical of Kevin Durant, even though we were stuck.

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