September 12, 2025 • 37 mins
Doug riffs on the Thursday night football game that saw the Packers dominate the Commanders. Doug reacts to Rob Parker's take on John Harbaugh. Doug decides between deserving candidates Jason Stewart deems as most annoying today. Plus, the Kelce brothers and Kevin Hart make today's installment of "Because We Can".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Years in
the bonus with Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
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I Heart Radio app Hey, welcome in. How you doing.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
So?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Last night was Thursday Night football. Obviously it was in
Green Bay, and I don't know, it's just fascinating to me.
We did we realize kind of what it does to
a football team when you get that second win and
you have the extra time off. Even for the Commanders,
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in all honesty, they didn't look great. It was a
sloppy game. They got beat. But it's losing to a
in a road game, to a playoff team in a
place that's really hard to win. It's not the worst
thing on earth. But you know, I was talking about
this with a bunch of coaches and we were talking
about scheduling in college basketball. Scheduling is crazy. Let's talk
about this with Oklahoma State. There's no way they should
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have played Oregon last weekend. Should have gotten out of
that game. It was scheduled in twenty eighteen when Oregon
was seven and six and Oklahoma State was an elite
football team. And when you knew that thing was coming.
You need time to get your team kind of up
and running. And I do think that one of the
things that's fascinating about the NFL this year, and I'd
love to see it if there's a direct correlation. But
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there have been teams that have played their starters more
in the preseason and they've been ready to go earlier.
They've been ready to go earlier. I know, at the
end of the year, all wins look equal, and if
the Packers only win eight, they probably don't make the playoffs.
That they win nine still probably don't. Ten, yeah you'll
make the playoffs or whatever. So from this point forward
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regards you can win these two games, lose the Carolina Panthers,
it feels like a double loss. It's all just one win.
But again, this is more coaching perspective. Winning early breeds confidence. Yeah,
sometimes you'd like to get dinged earlier or be challenged
early by an inferior opponent because it can wait guys up.
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But winning early breeds confidence. That's a big thing. And
then when you win early and the schedule helps you out,
now you get a chance to get fresh and rested
for your third game, and you use it like a bye.
This is no different. College football is the same. College
basketball is the same. Where we try and space out
our schedule, like, man, if we get a win there
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and then we have, like we want confidence going into
each break, confidence coming out of it. Now, we start
out with Kansas and it's going to be hard to
be confident against, you know, the Darren Peterson, who's the
best freshman in the country, probably the number one overall
draffick but still okay, that level will challenge you. Then
we have to get to a level where we get confidence.
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And I think that the Green Bay Packers they're a
good football team. They're also the youngest team in the NFL. Well,
and part of being young is you think you're really
really good. But when you win now it breeds true
self confidence.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
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Speaker 2 (03:20):
Does Fox Say every Day? This time the Doug Golliby Show.
In the Bonus podcast, we play for you a previous
version of a previous show on Fox Sports Radio Fox
Sports One. We call it what does the Fox say,
this is Tom Brady talking about young quarterbacks and Cowherd's
rule that you can give a quarterback until Thanksgiving of
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his second year to determine if he's a franchise guy
or not.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
What if you're a quarterback, then you go to a
system and they don't teach you coverage. They don't teach
you cover one, they don't teach you cover two, they
don't teach you cover four. They don't have personnel meetings.
They give you an offensive game plan and they go
all right, but here you go figure it out, and
after Thanksgiving your second year, they're going, Man, this guy
just can't play anymore.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
He stinks.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
He you know, he can't recover. Like dude, what would
did you teach him anything? Did you groom him? Did
you spend time after practice? Did you work on the
physical parts of his game? Did you work on his
throwing mechanics, did you work on his drops? Did you
work on the mental parts of a game? Did you
understand how to help him study film better? So all
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these aspects physical part about football. The physical part is
one aspect I got was one hundred and ninety nine
pick in the draft because so many people were focused
on a physical skill. Tom Brady two week couldn't stand
in the pocket, you know, is if he gets hit,
he's going to go down. You know, laughs are really
strong arm. That was kind of bullshit. But what I
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really understood the mental emotional part. I could bring a
consistent competitive, winning attitude to the to the game every day,
or to practice and the games every single week. Mentally,
I could absorb information you could give me, just like
did pages of notes, and I could process those things
and then take them to the field and play with
the anticipation. So what I lacked for maybe in a
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bit of physical development, I far exceeded a lot of
other people in mental emotional development. And that's a hard
thing to evaluate. But I'd also say there's not many
people who even know what to do. It's not like
they're CEOs of businesses. A lot of times they're football coaches.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
With all due respect, I again, I think it's that's
a completely next level conversation. That's unbelievable. For recruiting in college.
For recruiting in college, that was unbelievable. I mean truly
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in terms of the depth and when you're I actually
do think that they do do that deep a dive
into you as an NFL prospect. I don't think I
actually know that that process is that invasive, but I
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think it's also one that is going to go over
so many people's heads in terms of what he actually means.
It's like, I'm sure there's a part of it like
an Anthony Richardson where it's like, he's never been taught
to read coverage and you put him in the NFL.
Plus he's always hurt, so he's been constantly rehabbing, and
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it's really hard to expect. You're like, well, he can't
read a defense. Well, I know he can't read defense.
He's never been taught how to read a defense. He's
never been taught how to watch film. He's never been
taught all these things, and our expectations are for him
to be as quick a learner as somebody who was
taught those things. That's a fascinating, fascinating discussion. Here's Dan
Patrick talking about the Packers' defense.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
You've got everybody's attention. This is a team that always scored.
Last year, they scored, they'd get you twenty points, they'd
average twenty points a game, maybe more than that. Now
you've got defense, and if you're able to put pressure,
you're able to stop dynamic players. Now, all of a sudden,
you've changed the perception of your team because it feels
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like they're a defensive first team. And if you're going
to hit the quarterback twelve times, now, all of a sudden,
he's back there, and now he's thinking. Instead of your
thinking about the wide receiver, you're thinking about the play.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Now you're thinking.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
About where where is that guy? Because Michael Parsons, you
can look at the stats, and the stats, to me,
they really don't incorporate how great he is. Because let's
say somebody gets a sack and it's not Michael Parsons.
Pretty much guarantee that Michaeh Parsons had something to do
with that person getting a sack or holding calls. That's
like a sack if you're going to be holding and
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he's the one that is being held. Once again, that value.
There's only a couple of players like that in the NFL.
That's why I know Jerry's going to go to his
grave saying he made a great deal trading away Michaeh Parsons.
They you know, I think Green Bay paid too much
for him given the market, but giving up the run stopper,
the two first round picks. You saw the difference. There's
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only five or six players who are like that defensively.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
I mean, we talked about this in the radio show.
It's you added. You had a really good team and
you added a great player and a great player. And
this is what I told Jason when we were discussing
this earlier today on the phone, where I said, Jason,
the thing about the package is they've been good, but
now they're great at at least one, maybe two, maybe
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three of the places that you have to be elite at.
You have to have an elite pass rush you have
an elite pass rusher. You have to be I mean,
you have to be pretty good at quarterback and it
helps in your elite. I don't know if Jordan Love
is elite yet, but it feels like he's trending to
being in the definitely in the upper half. Maybe not
elite yet, but getting there. And then again, I I
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think at running back, Aaron Jones elite and was elite
and they got rid of them. The Josh Jacobs. I
think Josh Jacobs is elite. I just do I think
Josh Jacobs is an elite running back who is a
workhorse who can catch it, can run it, and can
finish runs around the goal line. So you're really good
at running back, you're really good at quarterback. You have
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a depth of wide receivers. Obviously, you look like you
got a good tight end. The defense, the defensive backfield
is good. What was missing was a star, and they
got a star. It's not a great trade for every team.
For the Packers, it's a home run. Here's Rob Parker
talking about John Harbaugh.
Speaker 6 (09:39):
John Harbaugh should be fired as coach of the Baltimore Ravens.
This happens Calvin way too often.
Speaker 7 (09:49):
With the talent that they have.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
Rob g just told you seventeen times they've given up
double digit leads in the second seventeen.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I get it. He won a super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (10:04):
It doesn't mean you're a pope or a Supreme Court
justice and you get to have your job forever because you.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Won a Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
Starting to remind me of Mike McCarthy with the Packers.
Speaker 7 (10:16):
They won a super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (10:19):
Disappointment after disappointment after disappointment. One day you wake up
and Aaron Rodgers hasn't won in ten years. Stop giving
Harball pass. Do you remember the playoff game in the
AFC Championship.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Against the Chiefs when they had.
Speaker 6 (10:34):
Some game playing where Lamar threw the ball every down
instead of running.
Speaker 7 (10:38):
Remember that that was another one.
Speaker 6 (10:41):
I can go on and on and on about the
bad situations, the bad losses, and there's one common denominator.
It's John Harball. It's time.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I just Rob and Jay and I we talk about
this all the time. There's lots of different things that
he says that gets people riled up, gets people riled up,
But the fire everybody anytime things are bad. I don't understand.
(11:18):
I'll never understand. Do I think John Harbaugh is a
great coach? I do. Do you know why? Because his
team's good every years, team's good every year, And yeah,
they've lown leads. There's no accountability for his quarterback. Right,
they didn't get a first down in the first fourth quarter,
that's why they lost the game, that in a fumble.
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But I again, like, if you're gonna fire John Harbaugh,
if it's time, who are you gonna hire Who's gonna
be consistently as competitive as Harball? You're throwing the baby
out with the bathwater.
Speaker 7 (11:59):
So I love Rob.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
I do like that he holds people accountable. I don't
agree that you fired John Harbaugh when his team played
good enough to have fifteen point ly with five minutes
to go and then found a way to lose. That's
what the Fox is, what I say.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
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Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
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Speaker 2 (12:24):
Let's find out who what is annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
And now it's your annoying?
Speaker 7 (12:36):
Hey? Do you know it's annoying? Sometimes? Is math? Math
is annoying? Kyle van Ney found out the hard way
at a press conference this week.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Something that I've learned over my career is that there's
usually sometimes a twenty four hour rule and a fifty
four or fifty two. Fifty four. I gotta do the
math fifty.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Let me start over.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
That's how we start right there with laugh laughter. That's good.
Holy hell. I'm gonna get killed for this. They're gonna
be like, damn football player. I set myself up. This
is this is good. We all needed this.
Speaker 7 (13:24):
I think math, Doug in general, could be real annoying.
I don't know what we were doing with all those
years of math in education. None of us were really
studying to be math teachers. And I have yet to
use calculus in my day to day wife, since I
want to say that it's kind of gearing our brain
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for problem solving or trying to get us further qualified
to be in college. Kyle van Ney made the mistake
of trying to do math on the flot that's the problem,
and just just I want to give him the answer. Key.
If you're going by days, twenty four hours, you're going
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to go twenty four, forty eight, seventy two if you
really need to, ninety six. But seventy two, forty eight
and twenty four are usually the three most used hours.
When he was talking about.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
That, Yeah you don't think thirty six?
Speaker 7 (14:24):
Yeah, maybe thirty six. Yeah, I'll go, I'll give you
a day and a half. Okay, I've just never heard
fifty two.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
I have not either that one. That one is new
to me. What else is annoying you?
Speaker 7 (14:35):
So what happens in this day and age with stories?
Okay Friday, Ryan Clark and Peter Schrager get into it
on the air, and then off the year, and then
Ryan Clark has to release a an apology. I guess
ESPN leadership got involved and they did a fist bump
on Monday night. So everything's fine, fist bump on air,
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fist bump, Everything's fine. But here's here's the problem with
our industry is that we have a bunch of people
like myself, not like you, who didn't play the game,
who are paid to give opinions. And we had a
week of reaction to Ryan Clark. And I remember telling
you on Monday the main problem with Ryan Clark's but
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the whole episode is that he said what he was
thinking out loud. So not only did he alienate his
teammate in real time, but he pissed off an industry
of people that didn't play the game. And the problem
with that is Ryan Clark is outclassed by more articulate
people who give their opinions for a living. I think
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on Monday you agreed with his sentiment, disagreed with the
way he said it. Bill Simmons has a message for
him and you what.
Speaker 8 (15:58):
I didn't like about what Ryan did.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
I don't know him.
Speaker 8 (16:00):
You know him when you're on live TV with people.
There's a nakedness to that. You really have to trust
everybody you're with. And I've been in situations where you
completely trust the people with and it's great. And I've
been in situations where I did not trust at least
one of the people I was with, and it sucks
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because if somebody tries to flip something on you or
make you look bad in some way or screw you
up on live TV, and either they're doing it intentionally
or unwittingly intentionally is worse. It's just fucked up. And
I felt like that moment, whether Ryan intended to do
that or not, he was doing it in a way
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to make make put Peter on his heels on live TV.
And live TV is a wee thing. It's not a
zero sum game like you're on a show. Everybody's got
to win if you're doing this show, and once you
bring that element into it, I think it's really hard
to put that genie back in the bottle.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
I yeah, I don't know. I'm torn on this. This
is actually a really good discussion Jase too. I think
every show is different. I showed trying to combine compare
pardon the interruption to when Jim Rome is burning to
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any show. You know, we had to show lead off
of me and Ali LaForce. I think when you try
and compare it, it does come down to the dynamics
of the people. It comes down to the dynamics of
the subject matter. So what I mean by he was
partially right is in the actual discussion right. And this
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is probably my biggest issue as as a human at
times in the workplace or even in coaching, is I
have a tendency to get to like the actual factual
discussion instead of the feelings and maybe some empathy in
understanding how right how what Ryan Clark said landed, And
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we'd all agree it landed poorly, although he kind of
built it up and made it seem like he really
didn't want to say it, which you know, may may
may state that she got some he's got some empathy there. Overall,
my feeling of that argument was that Pete Schrager was
trying to convince everybody that no, no, no, no no.
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If you look in the whole Ceedee Lamb had a
good game. And the point that all the former athletes
are making was like, no, it doesn't matter if you
have ten catches, if you don't make the eleventh one
to win a game, then you you lost the game.
That that's my mentality as well. That's how I watched
film as well. That's how I watch games as well.
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And I think that's whether you want to call it
an athlete or somebody who's been actually in You don't
have to be a coach, you'd be a general manager whatever.
When you've been in the actual field of play. My
guess would be that you look at things differently. It's
not as stat based. Again, Like that's my thing with
Nick Right is Nick right? He looks for stats as
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a way of confirming what he thinks he saw, but
because he hasn't, like played high level basketball, stats don't
always equate. I mean, I had a player last year
who statistically was top three in every category we had,
and yet if you looked at our defensive metrics, we
were awful. We were at our worst when he was
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in and you can't necessarily calculate that unless you use
advanced analytics. Even though we all saw it and we
would say, well, he's just not a winning player. And
that was our way of saying, like, the stats don't
really affect winning. And sometimes even when the stats are better,
were even worse because of it. So there's a there's
a disconnect there between the former athlete, former coaches, and
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the people who have covered them. And that's where Schreger
is and Schreger does at times like to play the
role of analyst, and it's it's through no basis of
understanding of fact of what's actually going on. I think
that a lot of this was a bit of a
misunderstanding because Ryan Clark has such negative equity in the
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public landscape, and that's why I was met with such
a backlash.
Speaker 7 (20:25):
Yeah, and I'm the bottom line is that the thing
that where I came out on this. I know that
athletes think that. I know they think it all the time.
But if you sign up to get paid to do
analysts work on TV and you're sitting with another guy
that your company paid to give their opinions on TV,
you have to be a good teammate. It was a
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lapse in judgment, like Ryan Clark's saying what athletes think
isn't to be in this case, isn't to be applauded
like he he was not being a good teammate on
live on live TV.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
I would say, yes, he correct, he was not being
a good teammate. I do think though there's plenty of
rooms for knockdown, drag him out arguments and guys even
getting upset about the arguments. The problem is you can't
do the name calling thing, and he didn't name calling
without name calling correct correct, that's his thing, and he
very easily could have said the athlete's brain says we
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didn't win. I blew it at the end of a game,
so that's what without saying he's the non athlete. And
see where Sugar goes to that.
Speaker 7 (21:32):
Everybody knows who's watching that TV show, who puyed and
who didn't. Let the viewer make that assumption to point
it out is just kind of shitty. So it's been
a really shitty week. Something happened forty eight hours ago
that really kind of has rocked the country, and the
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typical fallout has proceeded politically how it relates to sports.
As we sit here right now, three members of sports
media have been fired for posts in the wake of
the Charlie Kirk assassination. One was one of our own,
a producer at our affiliate in Las Vegas. I guess
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mister Machado had some unfortunate things to post afterwards, and
his employer fired him. Another was a reporter somewhere else,
and then the third was Charlie Rock. And this is
the one that I want to address. So Charlie Rock
is a communications like communications assistant or something for the Panthers.
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Charlie Rock, in the wake of Charlie Kirk's murder, said
what y'all said about your man said it was worth it,
And I think this is kind of where we got
to look at each other in the mirror.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Here.
Speaker 7 (22:58):
A lot of people are facing consequences for their actions
in the wake of the murder. If you are so
in the echo chamber of your political atmosphere that you
don't have the judgment to know that you can't post
what you're feeling, then you don't deserve to be employed.
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The Panthers made it really clear this Chris Rock does
not reflect our feelings. He is no longer with us,
and I do want to I kind of want to
ask a question in response to Charlie Rock. When Charlie
Rock says, what y'all sad about you don't really need
to be sad about the person. You could have your
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opinions about the person who was killed. But what you
should be sad about is that our freedoms were attacked, right,
our freedom to free expression. Somebody was assassinated for their thoughts.
The freedom of expression was taken from him, and there
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are two little kids without a father because of it.
I guess I would ask Chris Rock, why aren't you
sad about this?
Speaker 2 (24:16):
I mean, look again, I as you know I said
a couple of weeks ago, because I have heard him say.
I did hear Charlie Kirk, you know when he was alive.
There's clips of him saying, you know, if you're a
if you walk into a plane as a black pilot,
you wonder if it's a DEI hired like That's it's
incredibly insulting to black people who have accomplished right things.
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It's incredibly insulting that said, yeah, there is just this
lack of humanity. Now, I would also point out that
there's been a lack of humanity on the other side
when there was when there's two legislators killed in Minnesota,
and we didn't have now he did. They didn't have
the popularity of the fame, they didn't have the the
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media or so especially social or new age media equity
that Charlie Kirkett, nor do we have the actual video
of it? I mean, that's just but yeah, there's we've
we've reached this point. It's and this was kind of
the point of my tweet, which is like, I get it.
My son and I talked about this for about a
half hour the other night, and I asked him if
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he saw the video, and he at first said no,
and then he texted me, can you call me? And
then I was like what's up? And he's like, hey,
I had real fomo. I I watched it, and I
just I because I said to him, like, don't watch it.
You don't need to see that. There's nothing. There's no
positive takeaway from watching a human being die, being shot
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and dying. What what is the positive takeaway? You're too
anybody is too young. And then when you factor in
his kids are there, why he's there, it's just awful, awful.
So yeah, I don't I don't know. But what I
can tell you, though, Jason, and this is a real thing,
is I do find it hypocritical. Okay, it's hypocritical for
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the you know, the party of all people, right, the Democrats.
We're the most welcoming party to speak this way, right,
but it's also hypocritical for people who are Republicans to
talk about freedom of speech. And now you know, somebody
who they like was shot and killed, was essentially executed,
and people are saying things which are just nasty and
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just volatile and awful. I would there are very few
human beings who have not committed crimes that I would
say that about, maybe two or three, and I have
really really good reasons, and even then I would never
utter it aloud. I might think it, I wouldn't say it,
But there is a freedom of speech element to it.
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So we're in this weird place. I don't know what
would lead Chris Rock to say that. I just don't know.
I don't know. I know that he said insulting things,
especially towards black people, towards towards people of color, towards
women as well. I get it, okay, I am. I
was in no way, as you know, I'm not a
supporter of many of the things that he said. On
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the other hand, I don't know anybody like that. I
don't want anybody in my circle that says these things.
That's just that there's a lack of humanity there, which
I don't understand.
Speaker 7 (27:34):
Yeah, I mean the answer to I don't know why
Chris Rock would state these things. I mean there he's
a microcosm of the greater kind of a negative part
of this week. It's like a lot of people have
stated similar things in in the public square and social
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on social media, like and I think that when you
say you don't want your kids to watch it, A
part of me is like, we need to see how
greosome this was. Now, this is our freedoms being taken
away from us. Somebody needs to be woken up to
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political violence being unacceptable. I mean, there needs to be
a sobering moment.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
I I do understand that. I just I don't think
you need to see somebody. I don't think it's healthy
to see. It's like my son I had the discussion
about pornography. You know, it's a real thing, and you know,
like he's going to be at you know, at some
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point in his life's sexually active, right, But you don't
need to see that. It's just just can do terrible
things to your brain and how you view relationships and
women and sex and whatever. That's what I think. Now
you could also say, like, this is what gun violence
looks like, right, this is what gun line. You want
to stand by everyone's right to bare arms. Here's the
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problem if you shoot somebody in cold blood the way
that Charlie was shot in cold blood. Okay, like your
brain clearly isn't working correctly. You you should. I have
no problem with the death monally, zero none, not as
a deterent, as a punishment. But like, again there is
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there is a place they were like, oh okay, like
you want to brush off gun violence and how all
that it all that, it does, all that entails, and
you know it's like what do what does the gun
lobby tell you? Well, you know, one bad guy, if
everybody has a gun, one bad guy with the gun,
we can take him out. Like that didn't happen, that
that didn't happen. So there's lots of different pieces to
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the argument which could be made based upon this, this terrible,
terrible event. I don't think you and I are agree.
I don't know what would cause somebody, especially a father,
But even if you're not a father, just a human
being to say such things after somebody is murdered in
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cold blood. I don't know. I don't know what's going
on there.
Speaker 7 (30:16):
It's a degrading of humanity. We are de evolving as
a society.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
In front of our line that I would agree with.
Speaker 7 (30:26):
Social media has only put a spotlight on the depths
of our inhumanity. I think that this week a lot
of things have been learned from this week, that there
are no depths to how awful people could be in
the wake of tragedy. And as we stated yesterday, twenty
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four years ago, this company, this country galvanized and we
were together as one to root out all evil. There
isn't any of that this week. Our president was the
opposite of unifying in his words the other night, it's
proof that we are nowhere even close to unify it.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Well, he's a he's a divider, dude, And nothing would
tell you otherwise. He's a divider. He's he's divided this country.
It's been awful, okay. And you have the you have
the videos. You have the videos where whether it's Obama
or Biden, when something would go with something would would happen,
they would talk about unifying, regardless of regardless of of
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somebody's background. And he has he has won his presidency
twice over by dividing our country, and no one really
denies that. Okay, you don't call the media the enemy
of the state. Okay, you don't say us and them
and make it out that the radical left is now
the most violent, Like get the fuck out of here?
(31:55):
Are people really that stupid? Radical on either side is
not good? Okay? That's the turn, That's what radical means.
So stop trying to convince us of that, and and
stop dividing us. So if you the buck stops there,
the buck stops there. This is what happens. Okay when
you divide people, most people, most nine probably probably ninety
(32:19):
nine point nine percent of human beings can handle discourse.
Maybe maybe a smaller number, maybe ninety five percent of
people can handle discourse. Okay, But when the discourse becomes
just unbelieve like, you know, calling for people to be shot,
(32:41):
calling for people to be locked up, calling for people
to be uh, for all of these things, for a
nation to be divided, the wrong brain functioning the wrong
way thinks I just shoot that guy and that ends that,
Like what and the Again, I don't know the laws
that you taught, but I'm guessing pretty lax, pretty lenient, right,
(33:04):
a lot of freedom in that state. Not hard to
get a gun. But dude, if you want to tell
me that we're divided, I would agree with you. If
you want to ask why you know the If you
don't think that's the answer, I can't really help you
because you're starting from a place where I don't think
you're being honest.
Speaker 7 (33:21):
And I think that if you if your first instinct
after watching somebody get shot down in cold blood murger,
broad daylight murder, it was go on social media to
do some kind of victory lap for your side.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Of the Oh, you're just the worst.
Speaker 7 (33:37):
You need to look in the mirror because like and
ask yourself this though, what do I stand for as
a human being? And I'm not saying what do I
stand for? Politically? And I know people get that mixed
up because people now think that their political identity identifies
them as a person. And that's why you get justified
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antics this in the wake of murderers. Look yourself in
the mirror and say what do I stand for as
a human being? Because a father of two and a
husband was murdered at thirty one years old. So the
general lack of humanity and society, the the I guess
(34:20):
the whitewater wake of the you didn't play sports card
and then people doing math on live TV.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Uh, I think that you didn't. I mean, what's annoying?
Speaker 7 (34:42):
There's no wrong answers here.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
No, they're all annoying. They're all annoying. I would say
the victor, the victory lap, the people's reactions. Honestly, there's
you know, people's reactions to this murder is to say,
the least annoy I.
Speaker 7 (35:01):
Do because we can. So the key is welcome Kevin
Hart onto the podcast. Kevin Hart is from Philadelphia. I
don't know if anybody knows that because you rarely see
him at big Philadelphia sporting events. You never quite see
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him sporting in Philadelphia sports gear. But he's from Philadelphia,
I guess, and he pulls for those teams. Jason Kelsey,
a part of the podcast was an Eagle and then
the Eagles beat the Chiefs and in the Super Bowl.
They're going to talk about on this clip the difference
in fans between the Link where the Eagles play and Arrowhead.
Speaker 9 (35:45):
Who has a better stadium experience Arrowhead of the Link.
Speaker 10 (35:49):
I think I think that Arrowhead's a little safer, right,
I think.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
It's a.
Speaker 7 (36:00):
Little bit happier.
Speaker 10 (36:01):
I think I can see some fans. I can see
some fans in Arrowhead, and I can wear an Eagles
jersey and a fan and Arrowhead may say good luck today,
and I may say good luck. Barbecue, They'll say good
good luck today, and I'll go, fuck you right. It's
(36:23):
just it's just because it's just because of the way
that I was raised at Philadelphia.
Speaker 9 (36:28):
There's nothing more different than than the noise of the
Link and the noise of Arrowhead. Like Arrowhead, you're screaming,
I mean, you're you feel the rumble. You feel the
rumble at the link. You hear more of.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
A strategy.
Speaker 7 (36:45):
You're just strategy.
Speaker 8 (36:46):
Can not say anything mean.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
So it's just let's just make it as much noise.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Fine. Philly's like, hey, we gotta keep this noise now
because I gotta tell this rates Kevin, fuck your mother.
You heard me. Some of that stuff was the fake
laughter at the start, made up for both the real
laughter and kind of the uncomfortable laughter at the end.
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Why can we play for you? Because we can. That's
it for the end. The Bonus Podcast. She got the
radio show every day, every single day, three to five
Eastern tet Topecific, Fox Sports Tradio. I heard radio Up'm
Doug Godlig
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Years in
the bonus with Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
What up Doug Gottlieb Show in the Moones Fuck Sports Radio,
I Heart Radio app Hey, welcome in. How you doing.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
So?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Last night was Thursday Night football. Obviously it was in
Green Bay, and I don't know, it's just fascinating to me.
We did we realize kind of what it does to
a football team when you get that second win and
you have the extra time off. Even for the Commanders,
(00:46):
in all honesty, they didn't look great. It was a
sloppy game. They got beat. But it's losing to a
in a road game, to a playoff team in a
place that's really hard to win. It's not the worst
thing on earth. But you know, I was talking about
this with a bunch of coaches and we were talking
about scheduling in college basketball. Scheduling is crazy. Let's talk
about this with Oklahoma State. There's no way they should
(01:09):
have played Oregon last weekend. Should have gotten out of
that game. It was scheduled in twenty eighteen when Oregon
was seven and six and Oklahoma State was an elite
football team. And when you knew that thing was coming.
You need time to get your team kind of up
and running. And I do think that one of the
things that's fascinating about the NFL this year, and I'd
love to see it if there's a direct correlation. But
(01:30):
there have been teams that have played their starters more
in the preseason and they've been ready to go earlier.
They've been ready to go earlier. I know, at the
end of the year, all wins look equal, and if
the Packers only win eight, they probably don't make the playoffs.
That they win nine still probably don't. Ten, yeah you'll
make the playoffs or whatever. So from this point forward
(01:52):
regards you can win these two games, lose the Carolina Panthers,
it feels like a double loss. It's all just one win.
But again, this is more coaching perspective. Winning early breeds confidence. Yeah,
sometimes you'd like to get dinged earlier or be challenged
early by an inferior opponent because it can wait guys up.
(02:14):
But winning early breeds confidence. That's a big thing. And
then when you win early and the schedule helps you out,
now you get a chance to get fresh and rested
for your third game, and you use it like a bye.
This is no different. College football is the same. College
basketball is the same. Where we try and space out
our schedule, like, man, if we get a win there
(02:35):
and then we have, like we want confidence going into
each break, confidence coming out of it. Now, we start
out with Kansas and it's going to be hard to
be confident against, you know, the Darren Peterson, who's the
best freshman in the country, probably the number one overall
draffick but still okay, that level will challenge you. Then
we have to get to a level where we get confidence.
(02:55):
And I think that the Green Bay Packers they're a
good football team. They're also the youngest team in the NFL. Well,
and part of being young is you think you're really
really good. But when you win now it breeds true
self confidence.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. And Now what.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Does Fox Say every Day? This time the Doug Golliby Show.
In the Bonus podcast, we play for you a previous
version of a previous show on Fox Sports Radio Fox
Sports One. We call it what does the Fox say,
this is Tom Brady talking about young quarterbacks and Cowherd's
rule that you can give a quarterback until Thanksgiving of
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his second year to determine if he's a franchise guy
or not.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
What if you're a quarterback, then you go to a
system and they don't teach you coverage. They don't teach
you cover one, they don't teach you cover two, they
don't teach you cover four. They don't have personnel meetings.
They give you an offensive game plan and they go
all right, but here you go figure it out, and
after Thanksgiving your second year, they're going, Man, this guy
just can't play anymore.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
He stinks.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
He you know, he can't recover. Like dude, what would
did you teach him anything? Did you groom him? Did
you spend time after practice? Did you work on the
physical parts of his game? Did you work on his
throwing mechanics, did you work on his drops? Did you
work on the mental parts of a game? Did you
understand how to help him study film better? So all
(04:24):
these aspects physical part about football. The physical part is
one aspect I got was one hundred and ninety nine
pick in the draft because so many people were focused
on a physical skill. Tom Brady two week couldn't stand
in the pocket, you know, is if he gets hit,
he's going to go down. You know, laughs are really
strong arm. That was kind of bullshit. But what I
(04:45):
really understood the mental emotional part. I could bring a
consistent competitive, winning attitude to the to the game every day,
or to practice and the games every single week. Mentally,
I could absorb information you could give me, just like
did pages of notes, and I could process those things
and then take them to the field and play with
the anticipation. So what I lacked for maybe in a
(05:08):
bit of physical development, I far exceeded a lot of
other people in mental emotional development. And that's a hard
thing to evaluate. But I'd also say there's not many
people who even know what to do. It's not like
they're CEOs of businesses. A lot of times they're football coaches.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
With all due respect, I again, I think it's that's
a completely next level conversation. That's unbelievable. For recruiting in college.
For recruiting in college, that was unbelievable. I mean truly
(05:47):
in terms of the depth and when you're I actually
do think that they do do that deep a dive
into you as an NFL prospect. I don't think I
actually know that that process is that invasive, but I
(06:07):
think it's also one that is going to go over
so many people's heads in terms of what he actually means.
It's like, I'm sure there's a part of it like
an Anthony Richardson where it's like, he's never been taught
to read coverage and you put him in the NFL.
Plus he's always hurt, so he's been constantly rehabbing, and
(06:28):
it's really hard to expect. You're like, well, he can't
read a defense. Well, I know he can't read defense.
He's never been taught how to read a defense. He's
never been taught how to watch film. He's never been
taught all these things, and our expectations are for him
to be as quick a learner as somebody who was
taught those things. That's a fascinating, fascinating discussion. Here's Dan
Patrick talking about the Packers' defense.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
You've got everybody's attention. This is a team that always scored.
Last year, they scored, they'd get you twenty points, they'd
average twenty points a game, maybe more than that. Now
you've got defense, and if you're able to put pressure,
you're able to stop dynamic players. Now, all of a sudden,
you've changed the perception of your team because it feels
(07:10):
like they're a defensive first team. And if you're going
to hit the quarterback twelve times, now, all of a sudden,
he's back there, and now he's thinking. Instead of your
thinking about the wide receiver, you're thinking about the play.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Now you're thinking.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
About where where is that guy? Because Michael Parsons, you
can look at the stats, and the stats, to me,
they really don't incorporate how great he is. Because let's
say somebody gets a sack and it's not Michael Parsons.
Pretty much guarantee that Michaeh Parsons had something to do
with that person getting a sack or holding calls. That's
like a sack if you're going to be holding and
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he's the one that is being held. Once again, that value.
There's only a couple of players like that in the NFL.
That's why I know Jerry's going to go to his
grave saying he made a great deal trading away Michaeh Parsons.
They you know, I think Green Bay paid too much
for him given the market, but giving up the run stopper,
the two first round picks. You saw the difference. There's
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only five or six players who are like that defensively.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
I mean, we talked about this in the radio show.
It's you added. You had a really good team and
you added a great player and a great player. And
this is what I told Jason when we were discussing
this earlier today on the phone, where I said, Jason,
the thing about the package is they've been good, but
now they're great at at least one, maybe two, maybe
(08:37):
three of the places that you have to be elite at.
You have to have an elite pass rush you have
an elite pass rusher. You have to be I mean,
you have to be pretty good at quarterback and it
helps in your elite. I don't know if Jordan Love
is elite yet, but it feels like he's trending to
being in the definitely in the upper half. Maybe not
elite yet, but getting there. And then again, I I
(09:00):
think at running back, Aaron Jones elite and was elite
and they got rid of them. The Josh Jacobs. I
think Josh Jacobs is elite. I just do I think
Josh Jacobs is an elite running back who is a
workhorse who can catch it, can run it, and can
finish runs around the goal line. So you're really good
at running back, you're really good at quarterback. You have
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a depth of wide receivers. Obviously, you look like you
got a good tight end. The defense, the defensive backfield
is good. What was missing was a star, and they
got a star. It's not a great trade for every team.
For the Packers, it's a home run. Here's Rob Parker
talking about John Harbaugh.
Speaker 6 (09:39):
John Harbaugh should be fired as coach of the Baltimore Ravens.
This happens Calvin way too often.
Speaker 7 (09:49):
With the talent that they have.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
Rob g just told you seventeen times they've given up
double digit leads in the second seventeen.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I get it. He won a super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (10:04):
It doesn't mean you're a pope or a Supreme Court
justice and you get to have your job forever because you.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Won a Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
Starting to remind me of Mike McCarthy with the Packers.
Speaker 7 (10:16):
They won a super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (10:19):
Disappointment after disappointment after disappointment. One day you wake up
and Aaron Rodgers hasn't won in ten years. Stop giving
Harball pass. Do you remember the playoff game in the
AFC Championship.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Against the Chiefs when they had.
Speaker 6 (10:34):
Some game playing where Lamar threw the ball every down
instead of running.
Speaker 7 (10:38):
Remember that that was another one.
Speaker 6 (10:41):
I can go on and on and on about the
bad situations, the bad losses, and there's one common denominator.
It's John Harball. It's time.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I just Rob and Jay and I we talk about
this all the time. There's lots of different things that
he says that gets people riled up, gets people riled up,
But the fire everybody anytime things are bad. I don't understand.
(11:18):
I'll never understand. Do I think John Harbaugh is a
great coach? I do. Do you know why? Because his
team's good every years, team's good every year, And yeah,
they've lown leads. There's no accountability for his quarterback. Right,
they didn't get a first down in the first fourth quarter,
that's why they lost the game, that in a fumble.
(11:44):
But I again, like, if you're gonna fire John Harbaugh,
if it's time, who are you gonna hire Who's gonna
be consistently as competitive as Harball? You're throwing the baby
out with the bathwater.
Speaker 7 (11:59):
So I love Rob.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
I do like that he holds people accountable. I don't
agree that you fired John Harbaugh when his team played
good enough to have fifteen point ly with five minutes
to go and then found a way to lose. That's
what the Fox is, what I say.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Let's find out who what is annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
And now it's your annoying?
Speaker 7 (12:36):
Hey? Do you know it's annoying? Sometimes? Is math? Math
is annoying? Kyle van Ney found out the hard way
at a press conference this week.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Something that I've learned over my career is that there's
usually sometimes a twenty four hour rule and a fifty
four or fifty two. Fifty four. I gotta do the
math fifty.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Let me start over.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
That's how we start right there with laugh laughter. That's good.
Holy hell. I'm gonna get killed for this. They're gonna
be like, damn football player. I set myself up. This
is this is good. We all needed this.
Speaker 7 (13:24):
I think math, Doug in general, could be real annoying.
I don't know what we were doing with all those
years of math in education. None of us were really
studying to be math teachers. And I have yet to
use calculus in my day to day wife, since I
want to say that it's kind of gearing our brain
(13:45):
for problem solving or trying to get us further qualified
to be in college. Kyle van Ney made the mistake
of trying to do math on the flot that's the problem,
and just just I want to give him the answer. Key.
If you're going by days, twenty four hours, you're going
(14:05):
to go twenty four, forty eight, seventy two if you
really need to, ninety six. But seventy two, forty eight
and twenty four are usually the three most used hours.
When he was talking about.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
That, Yeah you don't think thirty six?
Speaker 7 (14:24):
Yeah, maybe thirty six. Yeah, I'll go, I'll give you
a day and a half. Okay, I've just never heard
fifty two.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
I have not either that one. That one is new
to me. What else is annoying you?
Speaker 7 (14:35):
So what happens in this day and age with stories?
Okay Friday, Ryan Clark and Peter Schrager get into it
on the air, and then off the year, and then
Ryan Clark has to release a an apology. I guess
ESPN leadership got involved and they did a fist bump
on Monday night. So everything's fine, fist bump on air,
(14:57):
fist bump, Everything's fine. But here's here's the problem with
our industry is that we have a bunch of people
like myself, not like you, who didn't play the game,
who are paid to give opinions. And we had a
week of reaction to Ryan Clark. And I remember telling
you on Monday the main problem with Ryan Clark's but
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the whole episode is that he said what he was
thinking out loud. So not only did he alienate his
teammate in real time, but he pissed off an industry
of people that didn't play the game. And the problem
with that is Ryan Clark is outclassed by more articulate
people who give their opinions for a living. I think
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on Monday you agreed with his sentiment, disagreed with the
way he said it. Bill Simmons has a message for
him and you what.
Speaker 8 (15:58):
I didn't like about what Ryan did.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
I don't know him.
Speaker 8 (16:00):
You know him when you're on live TV with people.
There's a nakedness to that. You really have to trust
everybody you're with. And I've been in situations where you
completely trust the people with and it's great. And I've
been in situations where I did not trust at least
one of the people I was with, and it sucks
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because if somebody tries to flip something on you or
make you look bad in some way or screw you
up on live TV, and either they're doing it intentionally
or unwittingly intentionally is worse. It's just fucked up. And
I felt like that moment, whether Ryan intended to do
that or not, he was doing it in a way
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to make make put Peter on his heels on live TV.
And live TV is a wee thing. It's not a
zero sum game like you're on a show. Everybody's got
to win if you're doing this show, and once you
bring that element into it, I think it's really hard
to put that genie back in the bottle.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
I yeah, I don't know. I'm torn on this. This
is actually a really good discussion Jase too. I think
every show is different. I showed trying to combine compare
pardon the interruption to when Jim Rome is burning to
(17:24):
any show. You know, we had to show lead off
of me and Ali LaForce. I think when you try
and compare it, it does come down to the dynamics
of the people. It comes down to the dynamics of
the subject matter. So what I mean by he was
partially right is in the actual discussion right. And this
(17:45):
is probably my biggest issue as as a human at
times in the workplace or even in coaching, is I
have a tendency to get to like the actual factual
discussion instead of the feelings and maybe some empathy in
understanding how right how what Ryan Clark said landed, And
(18:06):
we'd all agree it landed poorly, although he kind of
built it up and made it seem like he really
didn't want to say it, which you know, may may
may state that she got some he's got some empathy there. Overall,
my feeling of that argument was that Pete Schrager was
trying to convince everybody that no, no, no, no no.
(18:30):
If you look in the whole Ceedee Lamb had a
good game. And the point that all the former athletes
are making was like, no, it doesn't matter if you
have ten catches, if you don't make the eleventh one
to win a game, then you you lost the game.
That that's my mentality as well. That's how I watched
film as well. That's how I watch games as well.
(18:52):
And I think that's whether you want to call it
an athlete or somebody who's been actually in You don't
have to be a coach, you'd be a general manager whatever.
When you've been in the actual field of play. My
guess would be that you look at things differently. It's
not as stat based. Again, Like that's my thing with
Nick Right is Nick right? He looks for stats as
(19:13):
a way of confirming what he thinks he saw, but
because he hasn't, like played high level basketball, stats don't
always equate. I mean, I had a player last year
who statistically was top three in every category we had,
and yet if you looked at our defensive metrics, we
were awful. We were at our worst when he was
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in and you can't necessarily calculate that unless you use
advanced analytics. Even though we all saw it and we
would say, well, he's just not a winning player. And
that was our way of saying, like, the stats don't
really affect winning. And sometimes even when the stats are better,
were even worse because of it. So there's a there's
a disconnect there between the former athlete, former coaches, and
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the people who have covered them. And that's where Schreger
is and Schreger does at times like to play the
role of analyst, and it's it's through no basis of
understanding of fact of what's actually going on. I think
that a lot of this was a bit of a
misunderstanding because Ryan Clark has such negative equity in the
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public landscape, and that's why I was met with such
a backlash.
Speaker 7 (20:25):
Yeah, and I'm the bottom line is that the thing
that where I came out on this. I know that
athletes think that. I know they think it all the time.
But if you sign up to get paid to do
analysts work on TV and you're sitting with another guy
that your company paid to give their opinions on TV,
you have to be a good teammate. It was a
(20:47):
lapse in judgment, like Ryan Clark's saying what athletes think
isn't to be in this case, isn't to be applauded
like he he was not being a good teammate on
live on live TV.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
I would say, yes, he correct, he was not being
a good teammate. I do think though there's plenty of
rooms for knockdown, drag him out arguments and guys even
getting upset about the arguments. The problem is you can't
do the name calling thing, and he didn't name calling
without name calling correct correct, that's his thing, and he
very easily could have said the athlete's brain says we
(21:24):
didn't win. I blew it at the end of a game,
so that's what without saying he's the non athlete. And
see where Sugar goes to that.
Speaker 7 (21:32):
Everybody knows who's watching that TV show, who puyed and
who didn't. Let the viewer make that assumption to point
it out is just kind of shitty. So it's been
a really shitty week. Something happened forty eight hours ago
that really kind of has rocked the country, and the
(21:52):
typical fallout has proceeded politically how it relates to sports.
As we sit here right now, three members of sports
media have been fired for posts in the wake of
the Charlie Kirk assassination. One was one of our own,
a producer at our affiliate in Las Vegas. I guess
(22:16):
mister Machado had some unfortunate things to post afterwards, and
his employer fired him. Another was a reporter somewhere else,
and then the third was Charlie Rock. And this is
the one that I want to address. So Charlie Rock
is a communications like communications assistant or something for the Panthers.
(22:41):
Charlie Rock, in the wake of Charlie Kirk's murder, said
what y'all said about your man said it was worth it,
And I think this is kind of where we got
to look at each other in the mirror.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Here.
Speaker 7 (22:58):
A lot of people are facing consequences for their actions
in the wake of the murder. If you are so
in the echo chamber of your political atmosphere that you
don't have the judgment to know that you can't post
what you're feeling, then you don't deserve to be employed.
(23:22):
The Panthers made it really clear this Chris Rock does
not reflect our feelings. He is no longer with us,
and I do want to I kind of want to
ask a question in response to Charlie Rock. When Charlie
Rock says, what y'all sad about you don't really need
to be sad about the person. You could have your
(23:43):
opinions about the person who was killed. But what you
should be sad about is that our freedoms were attacked, right,
our freedom to free expression. Somebody was assassinated for their thoughts.
The freedom of expression was taken from him, and there
(24:03):
are two little kids without a father because of it.
I guess I would ask Chris Rock, why aren't you
sad about this?
Speaker 2 (24:16):
I mean, look again, I as you know I said
a couple of weeks ago, because I have heard him say.
I did hear Charlie Kirk, you know when he was alive.
There's clips of him saying, you know, if you're a
if you walk into a plane as a black pilot,
you wonder if it's a DEI hired like That's it's
incredibly insulting to black people who have accomplished right things.
(24:42):
It's incredibly insulting that said, yeah, there is just this
lack of humanity. Now, I would also point out that
there's been a lack of humanity on the other side
when there was when there's two legislators killed in Minnesota,
and we didn't have now he did. They didn't have
the popularity of the fame, they didn't have the the
(25:04):
media or so especially social or new age media equity
that Charlie Kirkett, nor do we have the actual video
of it? I mean, that's just but yeah, there's we've
we've reached this point. It's and this was kind of
the point of my tweet, which is like, I get it.
My son and I talked about this for about a
half hour the other night, and I asked him if
(25:26):
he saw the video, and he at first said no,
and then he texted me, can you call me? And
then I was like what's up? And he's like, hey,
I had real fomo. I I watched it, and I
just I because I said to him, like, don't watch it.
You don't need to see that. There's nothing. There's no
positive takeaway from watching a human being die, being shot
(25:48):
and dying. What what is the positive takeaway? You're too
anybody is too young. And then when you factor in
his kids are there, why he's there, it's just awful, awful.
So yeah, I don't I don't know. But what I
can tell you, though, Jason, and this is a real thing,
is I do find it hypocritical. Okay, it's hypocritical for
(26:17):
the you know, the party of all people, right, the Democrats.
We're the most welcoming party to speak this way, right,
but it's also hypocritical for people who are Republicans to
talk about freedom of speech. And now you know, somebody
who they like was shot and killed, was essentially executed,
and people are saying things which are just nasty and
(26:41):
just volatile and awful. I would there are very few
human beings who have not committed crimes that I would
say that about, maybe two or three, and I have
really really good reasons, and even then I would never
utter it aloud. I might think it, I wouldn't say it,
But there is a freedom of speech element to it.
(27:03):
So we're in this weird place. I don't know what
would lead Chris Rock to say that. I just don't know.
I don't know. I know that he said insulting things,
especially towards black people, towards towards people of color, towards
women as well. I get it, okay, I am. I
was in no way, as you know, I'm not a
supporter of many of the things that he said. On
(27:25):
the other hand, I don't know anybody like that. I
don't want anybody in my circle that says these things.
That's just that there's a lack of humanity there, which
I don't understand.
Speaker 7 (27:34):
Yeah, I mean the answer to I don't know why
Chris Rock would state these things. I mean there he's
a microcosm of the greater kind of a negative part
of this week. It's like a lot of people have
stated similar things in in the public square and social
(27:55):
on social media, like and I think that when you
say you don't want your kids to watch it, A
part of me is like, we need to see how
greosome this was. Now, this is our freedoms being taken
away from us. Somebody needs to be woken up to
(28:16):
political violence being unacceptable. I mean, there needs to be
a sobering moment.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
I I do understand that. I just I don't think
you need to see somebody. I don't think it's healthy
to see. It's like my son I had the discussion
about pornography. You know, it's a real thing, and you know,
like he's going to be at you know, at some
(28:43):
point in his life's sexually active, right, But you don't
need to see that. It's just just can do terrible
things to your brain and how you view relationships and
women and sex and whatever. That's what I think. Now
you could also say, like, this is what gun violence
looks like, right, this is what gun line. You want
to stand by everyone's right to bare arms. Here's the
(29:03):
problem if you shoot somebody in cold blood the way
that Charlie was shot in cold blood. Okay, like your
brain clearly isn't working correctly. You you should. I have
no problem with the death monally, zero none, not as
a deterent, as a punishment. But like, again there is
(29:28):
there is a place they were like, oh okay, like
you want to brush off gun violence and how all
that it all that, it does, all that entails, and
you know it's like what do what does the gun
lobby tell you? Well, you know, one bad guy, if
everybody has a gun, one bad guy with the gun,
we can take him out. Like that didn't happen, that
that didn't happen. So there's lots of different pieces to
(29:51):
the argument which could be made based upon this, this terrible,
terrible event. I don't think you and I are agree.
I don't know what would cause somebody, especially a father,
But even if you're not a father, just a human
being to say such things after somebody is murdered in
(30:12):
cold blood. I don't know. I don't know what's going
on there.
Speaker 7 (30:16):
It's a degrading of humanity. We are de evolving as
a society.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
In front of our line that I would agree with.
Speaker 7 (30:26):
Social media has only put a spotlight on the depths
of our inhumanity. I think that this week a lot
of things have been learned from this week, that there
are no depths to how awful people could be in
the wake of tragedy. And as we stated yesterday, twenty
(30:51):
four years ago, this company, this country galvanized and we
were together as one to root out all evil. There
isn't any of that this week. Our president was the
opposite of unifying in his words the other night, it's
proof that we are nowhere even close to unify it.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Well, he's a he's a divider, dude, And nothing would
tell you otherwise. He's a divider. He's he's divided this country.
It's been awful, okay. And you have the you have
the videos. You have the videos where whether it's Obama
or Biden, when something would go with something would would happen,
they would talk about unifying, regardless of regardless of of
(31:34):
somebody's background. And he has he has won his presidency
twice over by dividing our country, and no one really
denies that. Okay, you don't call the media the enemy
of the state. Okay, you don't say us and them
and make it out that the radical left is now
the most violent, Like get the fuck out of here?
(31:55):
Are people really that stupid? Radical on either side is
not good? Okay? That's the turn, That's what radical means.
So stop trying to convince us of that, and and
stop dividing us. So if you the buck stops there,
the buck stops there. This is what happens. Okay when
you divide people, most people, most nine probably probably ninety
(32:19):
nine point nine percent of human beings can handle discourse.
Maybe maybe a smaller number, maybe ninety five percent of
people can handle discourse. Okay, But when the discourse becomes
just unbelieve like, you know, calling for people to be shot,
(32:41):
calling for people to be locked up, calling for people
to be uh, for all of these things, for a
nation to be divided, the wrong brain functioning the wrong
way thinks I just shoot that guy and that ends that,
Like what and the Again, I don't know the laws
that you taught, but I'm guessing pretty lax, pretty lenient, right,
(33:04):
a lot of freedom in that state. Not hard to
get a gun. But dude, if you want to tell
me that we're divided, I would agree with you. If
you want to ask why you know the If you
don't think that's the answer, I can't really help you
because you're starting from a place where I don't think
you're being honest.
Speaker 7 (33:21):
And I think that if you if your first instinct
after watching somebody get shot down in cold blood murger,
broad daylight murder, it was go on social media to
do some kind of victory lap for your side.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Of the Oh, you're just the worst.
Speaker 7 (33:37):
You need to look in the mirror because like and
ask yourself this though, what do I stand for as
a human being? And I'm not saying what do I
stand for? Politically? And I know people get that mixed
up because people now think that their political identity identifies
them as a person. And that's why you get justified
(33:59):
antics this in the wake of murderers. Look yourself in
the mirror and say what do I stand for as
a human being? Because a father of two and a
husband was murdered at thirty one years old. So the
general lack of humanity and society, the the I guess
(34:20):
the whitewater wake of the you didn't play sports card
and then people doing math on live TV.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Uh, I think that you didn't. I mean, what's annoying?
Speaker 7 (34:42):
There's no wrong answers here.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
No, they're all annoying. They're all annoying. I would say
the victor, the victory lap, the people's reactions. Honestly, there's
you know, people's reactions to this murder is to say,
the least annoy I.
Speaker 7 (35:01):
Do because we can. So the key is welcome Kevin
Hart onto the podcast. Kevin Hart is from Philadelphia. I
don't know if anybody knows that because you rarely see
him at big Philadelphia sporting events. You never quite see
(35:22):
him sporting in Philadelphia sports gear. But he's from Philadelphia,
I guess, and he pulls for those teams. Jason Kelsey,
a part of the podcast was an Eagle and then
the Eagles beat the Chiefs and in the Super Bowl.
They're going to talk about on this clip the difference
in fans between the Link where the Eagles play and Arrowhead.
Speaker 9 (35:45):
Who has a better stadium experience Arrowhead of the Link.
Speaker 10 (35:49):
I think I think that Arrowhead's a little safer, right,
I think.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
It's a.
Speaker 7 (36:00):
Little bit happier.
Speaker 10 (36:01):
I think I can see some fans. I can see
some fans in Arrowhead, and I can wear an Eagles
jersey and a fan and Arrowhead may say good luck today,
and I may say good luck. Barbecue, They'll say good
good luck today, and I'll go, fuck you right. It's
(36:23):
just it's just because it's just because of the way
that I was raised at Philadelphia.
Speaker 9 (36:28):
There's nothing more different than than the noise of the
Link and the noise of Arrowhead. Like Arrowhead, you're screaming,
I mean, you're you feel the rumble. You feel the
rumble at the link. You hear more of.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
A strategy.
Speaker 7 (36:45):
You're just strategy.
Speaker 8 (36:46):
Can not say anything mean.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
So it's just let's just make it as much noise.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Fine. Philly's like, hey, we gotta keep this noise now
because I gotta tell this rates Kevin, fuck your mother.
You heard me. Some of that stuff was the fake
laughter at the start, made up for both the real
laughter and kind of the uncomfortable laughter at the end.
(37:11):
Why can we play for you? Because we can. That's
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