June 5, 2018 • 46 mins
Doug tells you why it was a bad idea for President Trump to rescind the Eagles invitation to the White House after winning the Super Bowl. He also argues the Rockets might be making a mistake by signing Chris Paul to a max contract. And Doug talks to 2 time NBA Champion Matt Bonner about the NBA Finals and how the Cavaliers can recover from their 0-2 deficit.
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the meantime, Lebron's talking about it, Steph's talking about it.
Every radio show I've heard is talking about it. NFL players,
NBA players are talking about it, and we are going
to talk about it as well. I don't. I don't
really enjoy It's like, look, I was driving in today
and I was thinking, damn it, I'm gonna have to
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talk about flag kneeling, kneeling for the flag in the
national anthem again, like oh oh, And then I caught
my breath and I started to realize something I could
be talking about t O going on our TV network
saying he wants to make a comeback even lessen less enjoyable.
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Uh No, I'm not gonna talk about a ton about
t O. Do you know why? Because no one wanted
t O when he was ten years ago coming off
an a c l when he couldn't catch and he
startled to get along with people. Right, So ten years
later when he gets into Pro Football Hall of Fame,
I'm not biting into that apple, no thanks. Instead, I'll
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buy into the Trump thing. So the president of the
United States, I believe you know who is who he is? Right,
President United States? Who? Uh? I mean? If you want
to know how ridiculous Twitter is, do you know how
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many followers he has on Twitter? Fifty two million. It's crazy,
two millions, uh, fifty two million people? So anyway, Um,
he has uninvited the Philadelphia Eagles. Quote the Philadelphia Eagles
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from his Twitter account. Philadelphia Eagles football team was invited
to the White House. Unfortunately, as small number players decided
to come, we canceled the event. Uh. Staying in the
locker room for our national anthem is as is is
as disrespectful to our country as kneeling. Sorry, he goes
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on after a crooked Hillary tweet. Um, we have had
many championship teams recently at the White House, including the Cubs,
the Astros, the Penguins, Pats, Alabama and Clemson national champions
and many others, National Anthem and more great music today
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at three pm. So here's my assessment of it. I'm
gonna tell you right now. I think Trump won the
anthem thing. When it was going away, people weren't talking
about it, Fewer teams were having players kneel. Kaepernick wasn't
in the nash Football League and he he said, you know,
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I'd fire those s O b s. And of course
it re engaged players. Now they started kneeling because of
what Trump said instead of what the originally standing for.
And it became, as he pointed out to NFL owners,
a winning topic for him. It's a winner form and
it was. It was one of those where NFL owners
are in a no win situation, right like, look, if
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you allow players to continue to kneel, there's a portion
of your fans that believe it's disrespectful and we'll drive
them away. And in a business in which you, the
customer is and like any business, the customer is always right,
you need both sides to show up and watch football.
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On the other hand, if he if they took a
heart and fast stance, yeah, you make labor unhappy, make
labor unhappy, and so um in an effort to kind
of put it all to bed. They came up with
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the anthem policy, which oh yeah, by the way, mirrors
the policy of the NBA. And yes, last week, sure
we talked about it. So at that point Trump had won.
He had absolutely one. He was the Atlanta Falcons. And
you know what, he did the same damn thing that
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the Falcons did. Need I remind you of Julio Jones
catch when they're up three still, for my money and
anybody who has a brain, the greatest catch in the
history of the Super Bowl. He makes the type of
catch that I don't you couldn't replicate if you tried
a thousand times over, and he did it live and
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in a television set in front of the entire world
to see. Had the Falcons at that point just taken
a knee three straight place not even run the football,
take any three straight place kick a field go up
thirty one to three, that is that. But they didn't.
They did. And if you ask the Falcons, hey man,
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this is how we were all year. We did what
we always do. We just kept playing that work out
for you. This is in fact what Trump always does. Mike. Look,
let's let's get down to it. The guy couldn't even
enjoy the fact that he had the greatest upset in
the history of modern politics. You can frame the Trump
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presidency however you'd like, the reality of it is. Fifty
years from now, they'll talk about a lot of the
other stuff Trump did, the power of social media, the
power of Facebook, the power of foreign influencers, and the
potentially influence. But the truth is that the guy upset
fifteen establishment Republicans and then took down the Clintons and
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won an election. I mean, it was stunning. It was
an upset, but he couldn't enjoy that he had the win.
But then he got caught up in the size. No, no,
not that size. He got caught up in that as well,
the size of the crowd at his inauguration. Like, look,
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I'd like to think if I win the presidency of
the United States, especially after taking down fifteen establishment Republicans
and the Clintons, I'm just like, yo, dude, don't care.
I won. Don't care, which is exactly how he should
have played this football thing. Five guys show up, three
guys show up, nobody shows up. You don't even have
to take the high road. You can take the we
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invited them. They were too soft, they're too caught up
in their politics. This is the White House. We conduct
business on Pennsylvania Avenue. They don't want to show up.
I'm still the President of United States, but he can't.
He's doing everything he's always done. But this is a
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loss for him. This is a loss for him because
he became canceled the party that no one wanted to
show up to. Guy, al right, cancel the party that
no one wanted to show up to. And by the way,
this is where it's obvious that he's not a real
parent to his son, because if he did, all he
had to say was my kid was sick. That's the
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best way to cancel a party. Uh sorry, you know,
we'd love to have you guys over, but kid was sick.
And nobody like kids like a oh well, we're not coming,
you know, because nobody because that means my kids get sick,
that means I get sick, That means our whole house
is sick. Oh gosh, no way. I honestly believe that
the president had a win. He had ten, he had
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he had two tens, and he just split him. He
got greedy. He had a winning hand he was the
Atlanta Falcons three. You know, the owners, they don't like him,
but they understand his power, and they understand that they
have to try and make all of their customers happy.
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Plus they have their players and that unhappiness. And you know,
the players aren't happy with the rule. But at least
the rule mirrors the NBA. And we didn't go to you,
but we did have a sit down with you at
all is good. Eventually get worked out. But the truth is,
the owners knew that they couldn't fight the Trump thing.
The players know that he's still the president he was,
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he was winning. It is over. Kaepernick's not in the league,
nobody's nearly again, is over. And instead of enjoying the victory, okay,
taking down the NFL. Remember a league that he tried
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to buy into, a league that said, hey, can't buy
the bills. We don't want you. Remember that in an
effort to settle old scores. Much like he has done previously,
he liked the Falcons. This is who I am, this
is how we got here. He continued to try and
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win the exact same way, which sounds great, but as
we saw with the Falcons, you gotta protect the lead,
gonna play smart, take the w at the end of
the day, no one cares. If you know, you go
into a prevent, you go into your shell. You take
a knee every time you get the food that it's
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not the it's not the the machi's the masculine way
to win. Yeah, he's de Sean Jackson, right, what's the
Sean Jackson famous for possibly being a gangster. Okay, making
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ridiculous plays, but more than anything, de Sean Jackson, they
have not been a gangster, surrounding himself with gang bangers
and getting himself run on of several spots. De Sean
Jackson is most famous for dropping the ball before he
goes in the end zone. It was over. He had one.
But life, or at least uh, politics are a lot
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like baseball. There's no real time limit on this thing.
Fascinating day today. By the way, do we have we have?
What lebron said he was he was asked to this
press conference about it be based who said, hey, look,
I don't think either of these teams are going anyway. Uh.
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Steve Curry, who obviously has great disdain for Trump, says
like this is what he does. He's trying to divide us.
We'll get back to normalcy in three years. Steph Curry
is is kind of agreed with what Lebron said. I
think the NFL has has the NBA has positioned themselves
on the opposite side of Trump. But but um, I
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really believe this, that this was this was a winner form.
It was an unfightable fight for the NFL and for
the NFL's players, and it just became a loser for Trump.
Here's Lebron. I actually just found out about it when
I was walking up to the podium. I ain't really
digested enough. But it's typical of him. I'm not surprised. Um.
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I mean, I know, no matter who wins this series,
no one's no one wants to invite anyway, so it
won't be going Instead or Cleveland going. See. I've I've
long said that honestly, I would go even if I
was anti Trump guy like, I would go because I
would go because it'd be my only chance to have
a legit conversation with him, whether or not anything is
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gained from it. And I understand that people will say, well,
you know, now you're you're legitimizing He's already been legitimized.
He's the President of the United States. You're never going
to get an opportunity to have a one on one
discussion with him, and Lebron James would or any of
those Eagles would. But when you cancel, it's better off
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to make them no show. Make their no show the story,
not you canceling the party of the story. Be sure
to catch live editions of The Doug gott Leaps Show
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Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Let's catch
up with an f O D A friend of Doug,
A guy who well, his team eliminated me from college
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is Florida Gator team in two thousand. He went on
to win two NBA titles. I went into this. He's
the Red Mamba, He's Matt Bonner. Uh, he's a Spurs analyst.
Now he joins us on The Doug Gottlieb Show. Um, okay,
let's uh you watch both of these games. I thought
I knew Game one was going to be a tough one.
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There's a lot of people freaking out about the overturn
of the block charge call, but there was so much
more that took place as a guy who's played in
these games that are of this much importance, what are
your thoughts on how Game one went down? Well, I
agree with you. Well, first of all, how you doing? Yeah,
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pleasantries out of the way. By the way, just a
side note before you do that. Uh, I will be
in New Hampshire in like two weeks. Uh, north Conway.
I don't know where where in New Hampshire you from?
You from down closer to Massachusetts are we from? Yeah? Yeah,
I'm from New Hampshire. But North Conway is an awesome town.
It's like a vacation tourist. The town tons of ski mountains,
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which doesn't help you in the summer, but great hiking.
There's an awesome I don't know if you have children,
but there there's an awesome am old school farm and
pop amusement park called story Land. They've been Conway, Yeah,
they do it. They do a summer camp over in Freiburg.
And so we we go. We dropped them off and
then we go go hang and do a little hiking,
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a little rediscovering nature. So off air, I may get
a couple of spots to hit in new in New
Hampshire and we'll figure some stuff out. Alright, alright, let's
get to like game one, go okay, Yeah, So, so
to answer your question, everyone talks about in the playoffs,
how how important every single possession is. You know, one
one mistake here, one miss shot there can can basically
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mean the difference between winning and losing. And we saw
that there was just a comedy of errors and mishaps
by the Camps down the stretch. With one of those
factors changes, they win the game. Um, you can go
right down the line. Obviously, the block charge called Kevin
Loves foul on the and one with Steph Curry, George
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Hill missing the free throw, the reps missing the lame
violation on the second free throw, Jr. Smith uh not
going back up with it and dribbling it out. Everybody
on the calves you could have called the time out
when they saw j R. Smith dribbling the ball out
to give them time for a game winning shot. It
as a tough pill of the swallow losing Game one
in that fashion for sure. Okay, this is just this
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just came to me. Okay, So I know you've seen
the video of Lebron and the bench after the j R.
Smith play, right where Lebron. No one's talking to anyone,
and then you know, Lebron asked Tylu about time outs.
He's like, yeah, we had a time out, and then
Lebron kind of loses it and there's there's no engagement
and that game was over. Take me back to when
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you guys lost to the Heat. Was game sit X
and you guys miss free throws, Ray Allen hits a
corner three, it goes to overtime. Do you remember what
that huddle was like? Everybody was just beyond devastated that.
I mean, to me, that loss has to go down
as one of the toughest losses ever. I remember sitting
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on the bench and they had our friends and family
all behind us ready to go on the court for
the trophy presentation. H Larry O'Brian trophy was, you know,
just to the left of our bench in the tunnel,
getting ready to be carded onto the court. They had
security come down and roped everything off to keep the
fans off. I mean, it was it was literally in
our pocket. The NBA Championship what you work for your
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whole life and all season and then bam, you know,
all those things went wrong that you alluded to and
we lost, and then we end up losing in Game seven.
But I think probably most people expected us to just
get blown out by forty in Game seven. It's because
just mentally trying to come back from such a tough
loss and everybody being so devastated. But you know what,
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what Coach Pop did? You know, he really gets the
big picture of team dynamics. I remember we all the
whole team went out to dinner and just kind of
grieved it out together. I guess that makes sense, um,
And then Coach Pop did a great job leadership perspective wise,
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so that you know, you can feel bad for yourself today,
but starting tomorrow morning, you know we've got to refill
the cup and be ready to go. We still have
another opportunity to win. You always hear Lebron say, you know,
be better tomorrow, that kind of thing. So I didn't work, though,
I just don't want to point that out, like, yeah, everybody,
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everybody came together. We came out in Game seven and
we're down too with under a minute left. You know,
gave ourselves a chance to to win on their court.
Um and then the following year, obviously we use that
as fodder and motivate Shan to come back and win
the championship. But I know what it's like to lose
a game in such devastating fashion in the finals, and
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mentally it is difficult to come back from. But that's
why team chemistry and being able to trust each other
on and off the court comes into play, so that
you could come back from it. And you know, I
thought in Game two the Calves gave a good effort.
You know, they could have easily lied down and just
gotten blown out, but you know, they gave themselves. I
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thought they gave themselves a pretty good chance for most
of the game. Obviously, Steph Curry hitting nine threes doesn't
help your chances. Um, you saw this team up close.
Of course they were there without Steph uh in that
in that early series. And you know, Durant was was incredible, right,
I mean, just he showed his true skill. There's been
a lot of discussion. I mean, like, look, those of
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us who played understand that all the pieces are important.
And one of the reasons that the Warriors have looked
fallible is Iguadala, who and guard everybody and can make
just enough plays to keep you honest eating him not
playing makes them, makes them a little bit more beatable
than they have been. But but how do you view
the importance of Durant versus the importance of Curry. It
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feels like Curry, you know, delivers those knockout blows with
the threes, but I'm not sure they're as as important
if you don't have, you know, the steady diet of
of twos and occasional threes and the ability to just
go get a bucket that you have with Durant, and
Durant can be He's not always, but can be so
much more effective at the defensive end. How do you
view the as a player now an analyst, the balance
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between the two, Well, I totally agree with everything you
just said. I think it's Durant's consistency and all around
offensive game that allows you know, Steph Curry and Clay
Thompson too, when they get hot and hit two or
three threes in a row, Damn you go from a
five point game to a point game to a point game.
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The ward Is are one of those teams where you
literally can't relax for a minute because in one minute
that could be the difference between having a chance to
win or losing by twenty. Uh Durant can get his
shot off anywhere anytime. He he has the ultimate all
round game. You can handle the ball, you can bring
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it up, you can post up, you can drive, you
can shoot threes, you can shoot pro ups. He's seven
ft tall, he's long. If you ever need a play
or or your offenses and stagnation, you can throw the
Durant's ball and say go and he's gonna probably get
a bucket for you. And that's an amazing luxury to
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have on a team that already had won championships and
set records before even joined the Boster. Matt Bonder joining
us in the doug Otlip Show. Analysts for the Spurs
Radio network. He joins us in the doug Otlip Show
here on Fox Sports. Excuse he's t TV analysts. He
joins us on Fox Sports Radio. Of course, two time
NBA champion as well, playing in the Final four team
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for the Florida Gators, joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. Um,
I when when I watched your Spurs teams play against
Lebron in the finals, what I distinctively remembered was you, guys,
I don't want to see you dared him to shoot
but you dared him to shoot right, kept him shooting
kind of those mid range jump shots, made him kind
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of think about it. And look, there were times the
game seven, for example, we just discussed he made him,
but many other times he did not. He has a
tendency to kind of think about his jump shot a
little bit too much more so than some of the
other great players we've seen. Has he broken out of
that from your perspective or is he does he still
does he still think too much about his jump shot.
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I think he's a much better shooter now later in
his career than back in thirteen and fourteen when we
played him. He uh seems to have a better balance
and understanding of when to drive and when to shoot it.
I think his percentages, especially in the playoffs, have reflected
that as far as efficiency. For sure, when we played him,
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you know, it was what does Lebron do best? Well,
he's a freak athlete. He's incredibly strong, He's a freight
train when he gets going, especially going right. We want
to do everything we can to take that away from
and made him, make him feat us with the perceived
weakness of his shooting, and if he does, if you
make shots you know, you shake his hand, you took
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your cap, and you go to dinner. As coach complex
to say, but we don't want him beating us in
the paint to the rim using his superior strength and athleticism. Um,
you know, now it's I think he's made enough jumpers
to where you have to play him a little bit
more honest in that regard. Um. But that being said,
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it's incredible the workload that guy has taken on throughout
these playoffs. He literally plays every single minute. Um, Almost
every offensive possession has run through him. You know, pick
and roll, get get, get a switch, so he has
an advantage, and then he's going to create for someone.
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I have no idea how he does it. Um. I
thought Kurd did a maskful job making adjustments in game two,
obviously using Javal McGhee, using living Yeah. Yeah, And and
it gave him a different look, give him am some
some protection at the rim, um, and gave him somebody
who can finish better. Looney's just not not the finisher
that he is. Doesn't dunk everything yet. Um, go ahead,
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I mean, just to that point, I agree with you
on the McGee thing. If if McGee can execute offensively
and defensively so he can stay on the court without
getting the foul trouble. He's one of those guys where
normally that if that's a looney or someone, that guy
can really help out. Um, but with McGee, you take
one or two steps, they put it right to the
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him and it's has two points on the LU is
a huge advantage if he can stay on the court. Yeah,
and then and then he there were times in which
they doubled Lebron kind of early. They picked him up
earlier because in Game one they kind of dared him
to shoot and he got it going and he had
a rhythm and they couldn't get him out of the rhythm.
Whereas it felt like they tried to disrupt his rhythm.
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They doubled him a little bit, made other guys make plays.
And this team just isn't constructed that way. This team,
this Cavaliers team is built with shooters all around, the
ultimate playmaker, and Lebron and those guys didn't make plays
that that an accurate assessment of some of the you know,
if we were to give a listener, uh an evaluation
of the adjustments that he made. Yeah, this Warriors team,
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they're They're in their fourth state straight finals. They've won
two championships, really should have won all three. They they
blew a three one lead Thremont Green obviously got suspended.
We know that whole story. If you want to beat
a team as talented and well coached as the Warriors,
Lebron needs his teammates to be able to step up
and make plays, especially if Steve kerr Is gonna put
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even more attention on Lebron with earlier double teams and
trapping them out of pick and rolls and that kind
of stuff. One thing I think we've seen with the
Calves is those those role players tend to and I
think this is true across the sport. Goal players tend
to play better at home. It will be interesting to
see if they can step up and make some shots
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and get some momentum here in game three. You gotta
get a win and then see what happens going is
going to game four and moving forward. But for sure,
if Steve kerr Is will be more aggressive with those adjustments,
Lebron needs his teammates stuff up. Um. This is kind
of an outside of the boss question. Matt Bond joining
us in the Doug Godlip show. It felt like Tim
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Duncan retired at just the right moment, right because I
don't know, I don't know how he operates in that
Houston's your Houston Golden State series, Like he'd say, whether
whether you want to argue he was the greatest, he's
a power forward or center, whatever like that, just his
position has kind of been eliminated because of how he plays.
Do you think that Tim Duncan, if he was Tim
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Duncan now in his prime, would be what he was
in his prime? I think so, And I think as
long as there's still a five man or a center
on the court, tim Duncan would thrive. You look at
the Houston team as long as Capella is on the court,
I mean, if they put Ryan Anderson at the A five,
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which they do sometimes, that that might be a tough
matchup for him. But Jim's ability to play angles and
use his length in his timing on picking rolls is
the best I've ever seen in my entire life. So
if you put them on a guy like Copella and
you have hardened, hardened and Chris Paul coming off picking
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rolls and Capella's rolling, I I completely you have full
confidence that Jimmy can navigate that and be able to
kind of playing between us his length, play the angles
to be able to contain those picking rolls with color,
diving to the hoop for those loaves. Um, So I
have to disagree with you on that. Yeah, I don't.
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I just don't know. I just know, you know, nobody
scores in the post. They let you be so physical
in the post. It's really really hard. And you know,
with everybody playing kind of the you know, playing the
p P P and saying a post ups or a
point seven seven, don't post up instead face up. All
these big guys shooting threes. I mean, like, I just
I don't know if if, if those seventeen foot turnaround
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bank shots off the glass would be something we'd be
playing for today, and he'd be covering you know, James
Harden or or Lebron James or or Steph Curry off
of ball screen nearly the way he used to, because
the personnel and the spacing has changed so much. Yeah,
but but he wouldn't have to guard those guys off
ball screens because, like I said, his ability to play
angles and uses length is otherworldly, So he'd be able
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to you know, coach, pop is the way you guard
those picking rolls. He'd be able to, uh, you know,
have the guard fight fight over. I mean, I'm not
gonna get down and break break into it. I think
as long as he's guarding a five like a like
a roller, um, then he's fine defensively and and offensively.
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I mean he was he's always kinda he's the ultimate competitor.
He's he's a great passer, he's a team player. He's
not someone who needs to get his shots to be
effective on the offensive end. I think you can throw
him at the ball either whether it's the high post
up at the elbows or off the block fifteen seventeen
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feet where he likes to face up and go middle
or shoot that bank shot. And and that's a place
where you have to deal with him. And he's gonna
be able to make a play either for himself to
score or make the right play for his team. Um.
He's the ultimate team player. He doesn't care about personal
glory or stats or anything. And because of that, you know,
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that's that's the biggest thing that made him such a
great player. And that's to me timeless these fundamentals. How
likely are we to have a series. You know, they
gotta win Game three in order for us to have
a series. How likely are we to have a series?
I think unlikely? And I love the Caps. I think
it's amazing, the Monday pad Um Bronze incredible. I like
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all their role players. But I think all season the
Eastern Conference in the playing for second place. If if
you were a betting man, would Kauai be wearing a
Spurs jersey Game one next year? Next year? I have
no idea, and I'm not a betting man. I'm afraid
I wouldn't gamble five dollars. That's that's how much of him.
But but but the fact is the fact you didn't
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say absolutely does lead me to think like, okay, well
maybe not right, Like is that is that? However you want?
I honestly have zero clue. M what do you think
lebron plays next year? Uh? Somewhere in the Eastern comptas?
M All right, listen, I'm gonna hit you up offline.
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I need some New Hampshire spots because I do spend
a little bit of time there. It is. Your state
is a beautiful state, beautiful beautiful, beautiful state. Appreciate you
appreciate you joined us. Enjoin the time of your family,
and thanks for joining us alright anytime, I'm in the
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on Fox Sports Radio played thirteen years in the National
Football League. Here was the premise from how I started
the show out so earlier today, As you know, the
President United States uninvited the Eagles to the White House. See,
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I actually thought he had won this thing, right, I
thought he's he was the Falcons in the Super Bowl
up three. He got he got them to change their policy.
The protests were kind of going away, and he divided
the country, reinvigorated his base. He won but by pointing
out that a bunch of guys weren't coming anyway, by
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making it more obvious they weren't coming. Instead of putting
the pressure on them and them no showing on his party,
he made himself out to be the small one he
punched down, and that's a mistake. I think he takes
the l today. What's your interpretation, And that's exactly right.
You know, he's the type of person that is the
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definition of being pettied, right, Like petty people no matter
what hand there though, they always feel like they have
to lash out. And you find him in this situation
where you're right, he won. He had the NFL, who
has not been a fan of Trump throughout the history
of him, trying to get a team, and they would,
no commissioner would let him get a team to where
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he had them been to his will this year about
the national anthem and the protest, and then he goes
and completely just for no reason. If it was ten
players there, that would have been a bigger statement for him,
opposed to well, if you don't bring everybody, and I'm
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canceling it because it's that ego. He has to get
rid of that eating well, he will never get rid
of ego, but it's that ego, like I can't take
a picture with just ten players, and you know forty
three other players decided not to come. He just his
ego wouldn't allow him to take that hit. And with
that he took a bigger l. What do NFL players
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do week one of the season? Um, I pray to
God that they all knew God I would just the
huge message that would or that that house of cards
would come come crumbling down. What what's it like that?
What's it like though? If you're if you you don't
want like is there is there a way? Because last year,
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you know, you had some guys kneel, but you have
plenty of guys that didn't, and it didn't seem to
fracture teams? Does it? Does it? Does it become a
fracturing moment if you don't support your teammates who kneel
this year? Well now because now it's the narrative has
changed again. So now it's about us against them. So
when Trump came out with the SLP comment, the owners
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led us to believe that they were with us, right,
that they were with the players. We're gonna unify. You
guys are our players. We're not gonna let anybody talk
disrespectful to you guys. You guys have families and so
on and so forth. So they came out, they locked
arms and we're gonna we're gonna have these meetings, We're
gonna donate this money and do such and such and
such and such, and then they come out and built
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to this wins. So so now they've drawn the line
in the sand. Right the players have come out and say, hey, look,
it's not about being on patriotic, but they go ahead
and side with Trump and and and and put this
rule in place. So now it's literally, what are you
gonna do right now? Now? Look, it's it's the same
rule the NBA has. And and you know the NBA
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Finals they sing the national anthem, nobody nobody takes a knee.
Absolutely not. The difference is that the NBA players have
a voice in the situation. Right, remember when when when
Lebron James and everybody wore the camp Breathe shirts some
guys where uh black lives matter of shooting shirts and
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so on and so forth, and they have that stage
in their press conference to talk about anything they would
like to talk about in terms of social issues. The
NFL does not allow those players to have that type
of stage. And what I mean by that is the
NBA is a player driven league. The NFL is not
a player driven league. About the shield, Look, the reality
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though from is you can wear like you know, your
pregame plea, much like their pregame shooting shirts, pregame clinching.
Where would you want? You know, during a press conference,
you talk about what you want. Yeah, but nobody films
the pregame of the NFL. Yes, they do. That's that's
absolutely not true. Absolutely absolutely not true. The app that
is not Yeah, I'm Odell Beckham Jr. Every pregame is filmed,
Antonio Brown, Every pregame is filmed, and they and they
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and they tweet out every one of their Why because
of his kids, because the one hand kids, that's it
all they're they're tuning in for the kids. Okay, but
the pregame, all they do for pregame for for the
NBA is Steph Curry warming up driving the basketball or
shooting from from uh from from the from the hallway.
It's it's the it's the same thing with the same like,
look do do I I agree with you that Trump
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took the l But this idea that NBA players have
a voice, like no, they don't. They have the chance
take a need they don't. They do stuff before the game,
which is when NFL players can do it before the game.
The The n b A is far more a player
friendly organization in terms of when Donald Sterling came out
and we talked out pocket, what did they do immediately?
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What they do immediately? This wasn't even a discussion. The
same same thing happened right now. What do you think
happen in Carolina? What do they have a Carolina? There's
it wasn't racism, but it was. It was sexual harassment.
And the owner who's a former player, they made him
sell the team. It's the same thing. He no, it's
not the same thing. It really isn't. I wish it
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was because this would be a smoother transition, to be
a smoother a situation that we're dealing with. It's not
the same thing because the fact of the matter is
the owners got together themselves and came up with a
rule to stop players from protesting. I understand that they
have the exact same ruleing from the rules already in
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place because because they had somebody who wouldn't stand for
the flag, so they put the rule in place. Period.
There's there's literally, look I love you, okay, but there's
no there's no difference between the two and the idea
that no one films the pre game, dude. No one
filmed the free game in the NBA until Steph Curry
did his dribbling stuff. No one filmed the pre game
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in the NFL until until Odell Beckham Jr. Start doing
the one hand catches. And you can wear your pregame
cleats just like they can wear their pregame shirts. There
is no difference. You can talk about what you want
your press conference. All they've said is if you come out,
you're gonna stand for the flag, which the exact same
thing it says in the NBA rule. Do you believe
that that should be a rule? Mhm's good question. Um,
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I believe that there are enough people there. There is
enough people in the country. Yeah, I actually think I
do think you should stand for the flag. I do.
I do I I first of all, I actually think
that Kaepernick. Like look, Kaepernick has accomplished everything he wanted
to accomplish. He started a conversation which I think all
of us would deem uncomfortable to have in sports. The
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problem is Kaepernick just doesn't know how to lead this conversation.
No matter how many good works he does, he never
has never gotten front of the microphone and been the
leader of this even though we're as Trump takes Kaepernick
doesn't know how to take credit for what he's done.
Trump takes credit for things that he has not has
nothing to do with, right, Like that's the complete opposites
of each other. So, but but do I think, Yeah,
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I think when you play the national anthem, you should
stand up for it. I do, regardless of regardless of
of how bad, uh, some things are for some people.
And and look, there are also also like, look, I'm
somebody who I understand the protest and the timing of
the protest, but I think it's different on a Memorial
Day or on September eleventh, you better stand or you know, Uh,
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for example, when the Houston Rockets welcome in the Parkland
survivors choir like I would stand up for them. Um.
So it's it's a it's a very tricky one because
you don't want to disrespect first responders that are doing
things the right way. I would, in fact stand. I
do think there should be a rule. But I also
think that you know, NFL players have taken the bait.
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That's that's what Trump tried to do. We bated, debated, debated,
you into then protesting him instead of protesting what you
originally wanted to protest. I think it's a complicentd thing,
and I and I and I think that's the problem.
I think the problem is that the narrative shifted to
favor Donald Trump, and that's not even what the intent was.
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So now all me and you are talking about is
the whole Trump thing and the problem that rules and
are we're not even talking about the issue, and nobody's
talking about the issue. I just got off then, n
And every time I'm on there are always bringing up
the issue that started it all, and no one has
any answers or any willing to address it. And in
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the Sarah Sanders Huglebee today didn't even want to add
knowledge a reporter who was saying, hey, it's as the
president made any statement about the actual UH protested self
in terms of the reason being police brutality and minority
commit she didn't even want to deal with this. I'm
moving on your being rude like it just And that's
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the problem that I'm having, the fact that you can
sweep the narrative under the rug the rug and create
your own and make it all about that, that's the
problem I'm having because the issue is still happening in
our communities. We just saw Sterling Brown. Did the video
come out of Sterling Brown being just agreediously uh mishandled
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by Keen police officers. That's the problem I'm having. We're
talking about Donald Trump and whether or not the rule
should be implemented for standing for the national anthem and not, Hey,
let's stop being let's stop police brutality. When we're gonna
start talking about that, listen, I agree. I do actually
think that conversation takes place. I think that's why the
body cameras for both it helps, It ends up helping
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both side. It does show that some people lie when
they when they accuse the cops of mistreating them. And
I think it shows you know, Sterling Brown, who you know,
he parked illegally, should have gotten a ticket, didn't deserve
to be tased. And the fact that none of the
cops reacted like, oh, we shouldn't have done that was
was appalling to anybody who has a pulse. And I
don't I don't know how you I don't know how
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you regain them, how you change the narrative back. But
I actually think today was a win, whereas there have
been so many losses for it because Trump appeared petty
instead of somebody who was the leader of the free world.
I get it, and I understand that. And the fact
of the matter is, it's not it's the behavior of
the police is the is the reason. But it's the
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prosecution of that behavior that is the problem. Right. But
that's the problem. That nothing. They've been disciplined, they've missed
a little work, But come on now, like that's not
I could enough administrative leave. That's not good enough. That's
the Uh, that's the real protest. That's what we need
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to be talking about in terms of what's going to happen.
When does justice happen for the killing of unowned minorities
and the mistreatment. That's the problem, right, Yeah, it's appalling
to see it happen, but to see nothing happened to
the aggressives, that's where and that's where the original protest is.
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Everybody is turning the blind eye. And they always say
it's just a few bad apples. But at certain jobs,
and I think you would agree with this, at certain
jobs that you don't want any bad apples taking mind.
Would you want your surgeon to be a bad apple. No, no,
but what you do to be a bad apple? I
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agree with you. I also understand the reality of it is.
It's really it's really would you sign up to be
a cop like I wouldn't? It's right, So so when
they get people to sign up, you know that they
do the best they can. You know. It's it's like
a different but it's like school teachers, right. I think
a lot of times school teachers they sign up for
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the right reasons and then some of them change and
mature and become people that you don't really want a
round kids, and they have tenure. But it's really, it's
it's a very difficult thing. And I think that the
body cameras and the body cameras are are really important.
They're very important because, uh, the the the entire picture
doesn't lie when we see them when they're on, you know,
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and there should so I look, it's it's more complicated
than we're doing it justice and and and because I
know because and I think that you know, Kaepernick shot
to take the punt out, but he shot himself in
the foot with the cop pig socks and with the
castro shirt didn't help him. And some of the I
just think he was the wrong guy for it. All
that said, he's actually accomplished everything he wanted to accomplish,
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and now getting the President to take an al on
it today would be a win. If he knew how to,
if he knew how to champion that win, that's I
think my my thing. You know what, would the world
be a better place if it got along like me
and you? Yeah, I don't really like you though, I'm
just kidding. It would be. It would be. It would be.
All right, did good discussion. We'll talk real football up
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coming next. Okay. Absolutely be sure to catch live editions
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Heart Radio app. But he had to not have any
when he was left, and then he inherited like a
ten million dollars or something crazy like that, if he
could get rid of every penny, and he did. Like
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the best one was he bought the stamps and then
he mailed him. He bought like a hundred thou dollars
stamps and then he mailed something with it, which was genius.
You couldn't spend a hundred six and he really well,
you know, the tax man takes half of it. Okay,
you can't spend ninety million dollars. Plus he's made money
outside of basketball, and he's smart and he's invested. He's
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got houses all over like you're not. You're not losing
money on these houses all over the place, right, Like
I don't. I don't even think. I don't even if
he did drugs and you if you did drugs and
had a gambling he didn't have kids outside of wedlock,
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like the with the expensive things divorced hadn't happened. Drug
problem doesn't do it Gambling doesn't appear to do it right.
He's diversified, like you can't spent. So I don't want
to take a hundred million more out of his pocket.
But if you go like, hey, dude, you could make
a hundred million more or you can make fifty million
more and win a championship, what would you do? Grinky
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would say, take that money, dude, but think of how
much it changes you if you win a championship. And
then the problem is, you know, he's been the head
of the Players Association, and the Players Association is gonna
push him, and you can't take less that looks bad
more and more. Plus he's a Lebron guy. Lebron always take, get,
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get as much as you can. Owners are taking as
much as they can. Why can't you
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the meantime, Lebron's talking about it, Steph's talking about it.
Every radio show I've heard is talking about it. NFL players,
NBA players are talking about it, and we are going
to talk about it as well. I don't. I don't
really enjoy It's like, look, I was driving in today
and I was thinking, damn it, I'm gonna have to
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talk about flag kneeling, kneeling for the flag in the
national anthem again, like oh oh, And then I caught
my breath and I started to realize something I could
be talking about t O going on our TV network
saying he wants to make a comeback even lessen less enjoyable.
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Uh No, I'm not gonna talk about a ton about
t O. Do you know why? Because no one wanted
t O when he was ten years ago coming off
an a c l when he couldn't catch and he
startled to get along with people. Right, So ten years
later when he gets into Pro Football Hall of Fame,
I'm not biting into that apple, no thanks. Instead, I'll
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buy into the Trump thing. So the president of the
United States, I believe you know who is who he is? Right,
President United States? Who? Uh? I mean? If you want
to know how ridiculous Twitter is, do you know how
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many followers he has on Twitter? Fifty two million. It's crazy,
two millions, uh, fifty two million people? So anyway, Um,
he has uninvited the Philadelphia Eagles. Quote the Philadelphia Eagles
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from his Twitter account. Philadelphia Eagles football team was invited
to the White House. Unfortunately, as small number players decided
to come, we canceled the event. Uh. Staying in the
locker room for our national anthem is as is is
as disrespectful to our country as kneeling. Sorry, he goes
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on after a crooked Hillary tweet. Um, we have had
many championship teams recently at the White House, including the Cubs,
the Astros, the Penguins, Pats, Alabama and Clemson national champions
and many others, National Anthem and more great music today
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at three pm. So here's my assessment of it. I'm
gonna tell you right now. I think Trump won the
anthem thing. When it was going away, people weren't talking
about it, Fewer teams were having players kneel. Kaepernick wasn't
in the nash Football League and he he said, you know,
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I'd fire those s O b s. And of course
it re engaged players. Now they started kneeling because of
what Trump said instead of what the originally standing for.
And it became, as he pointed out to NFL owners,
a winning topic for him. It's a winner form and
it was. It was one of those where NFL owners
are in a no win situation, right like, look, if
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you allow players to continue to kneel, there's a portion
of your fans that believe it's disrespectful and we'll drive
them away. And in a business in which you, the
customer is and like any business, the customer is always right,
you need both sides to show up and watch football.
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On the other hand, if he if they took a
heart and fast stance, yeah, you make labor unhappy, make
labor unhappy, and so um in an effort to kind
of put it all to bed. They came up with
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the anthem policy, which oh yeah, by the way, mirrors
the policy of the NBA. And yes, last week, sure
we talked about it. So at that point Trump had won.
He had absolutely one. He was the Atlanta Falcons. And
you know what, he did the same damn thing that
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the Falcons did. Need I remind you of Julio Jones
catch when they're up three still, for my money and
anybody who has a brain, the greatest catch in the
history of the Super Bowl. He makes the type of
catch that I don't you couldn't replicate if you tried
a thousand times over, and he did it live and
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in a television set in front of the entire world
to see. Had the Falcons at that point just taken
a knee three straight place not even run the football,
take any three straight place kick a field go up
thirty one to three, that is that. But they didn't.
They did. And if you ask the Falcons, hey man,
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this is how we were all year. We did what
we always do. We just kept playing that work out
for you. This is in fact what Trump always does. Mike. Look,
let's let's get down to it. The guy couldn't even
enjoy the fact that he had the greatest upset in
the history of modern politics. You can frame the Trump
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presidency however you'd like, the reality of it is. Fifty
years from now, they'll talk about a lot of the
other stuff Trump did, the power of social media, the
power of Facebook, the power of foreign influencers, and the
potentially influence. But the truth is that the guy upset
fifteen establishment Republicans and then took down the Clintons and
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won an election. I mean, it was stunning. It was
an upset, but he couldn't enjoy that he had the win.
But then he got caught up in the size. No, no,
not that size. He got caught up in that as well,
the size of the crowd at his inauguration. Like, look,
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I'd like to think if I win the presidency of
the United States, especially after taking down fifteen establishment Republicans
and the Clintons, I'm just like, yo, dude, don't care.
I won. Don't care, which is exactly how he should
have played this football thing. Five guys show up, three
guys show up, nobody shows up. You don't even have
to take the high road. You can take the we
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invited them. They were too soft, they're too caught up
in their politics. This is the White House. We conduct
business on Pennsylvania Avenue. They don't want to show up.
I'm still the President of United States, but he can't.
He's doing everything he's always done. But this is a
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loss for him. This is a loss for him because
he became canceled the party that no one wanted to
show up to. Guy, al right, cancel the party that
no one wanted to show up to. And by the way,
this is where it's obvious that he's not a real
parent to his son, because if he did, all he
had to say was my kid was sick. That's the
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best way to cancel a party. Uh sorry, you know,
we'd love to have you guys over, but kid was sick.
And nobody like kids like a oh well, we're not coming,
you know, because nobody because that means my kids get sick,
that means I get sick, That means our whole house
is sick. Oh gosh, no way. I honestly believe that
the president had a win. He had ten, he had
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he had two tens, and he just split him. He
got greedy. He had a winning hand he was the
Atlanta Falcons three. You know, the owners, they don't like him,
but they understand his power, and they understand that they
have to try and make all of their customers happy.
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Plus they have their players and that unhappiness. And you know,
the players aren't happy with the rule. But at least
the rule mirrors the NBA. And we didn't go to you,
but we did have a sit down with you at
all is good. Eventually get worked out. But the truth is,
the owners knew that they couldn't fight the Trump thing.
The players know that he's still the president he was,
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he was winning. It is over. Kaepernick's not in the league,
nobody's nearly again, is over. And instead of enjoying the victory, okay,
taking down the NFL. Remember a league that he tried
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to buy into, a league that said, hey, can't buy
the bills. We don't want you. Remember that in an
effort to settle old scores. Much like he has done previously,
he liked the Falcons. This is who I am, this
is how we got here. He continued to try and
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win the exact same way, which sounds great, but as
we saw with the Falcons, you gotta protect the lead,
gonna play smart, take the w at the end of
the day, no one cares. If you know, you go
into a prevent, you go into your shell. You take
a knee every time you get the food that it's
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not the it's not the the machi's the masculine way
to win. Yeah, he's de Sean Jackson, right, what's the
Sean Jackson famous for possibly being a gangster. Okay, making
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ridiculous plays, but more than anything, de Sean Jackson, they
have not been a gangster, surrounding himself with gang bangers
and getting himself run on of several spots. De Sean
Jackson is most famous for dropping the ball before he
goes in the end zone. It was over. He had one.
But life, or at least uh, politics are a lot
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like baseball. There's no real time limit on this thing.
Fascinating day today. By the way, do we have we have?
What lebron said he was he was asked to this
press conference about it be based who said, hey, look,
I don't think either of these teams are going anyway. Uh.
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Steve Curry, who obviously has great disdain for Trump, says
like this is what he does. He's trying to divide us.
We'll get back to normalcy in three years. Steph Curry
is is kind of agreed with what Lebron said. I
think the NFL has has the NBA has positioned themselves
on the opposite side of Trump. But but um, I
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really believe this, that this was this was a winner form.
It was an unfightable fight for the NFL and for
the NFL's players, and it just became a loser for Trump.
Here's Lebron. I actually just found out about it when
I was walking up to the podium. I ain't really
digested enough. But it's typical of him. I'm not surprised. Um.
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I mean, I know, no matter who wins this series,
no one's no one wants to invite anyway, so it
won't be going Instead or Cleveland going. See. I've I've
long said that honestly, I would go even if I
was anti Trump guy like, I would go because I
would go because it'd be my only chance to have
a legit conversation with him, whether or not anything is
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gained from it. And I understand that people will say, well,
you know, now you're you're legitimizing He's already been legitimized.
He's the President of the United States. You're never going
to get an opportunity to have a one on one
discussion with him, and Lebron James would or any of
those Eagles would. But when you cancel, it's better off
(12:38):
to make them no show. Make their no show the story,
not you canceling the party of the story. Be sure
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up with an f O D A friend of Doug,
A guy who well, his team eliminated me from college
(13:01):
is Florida Gator team in two thousand. He went on
to win two NBA titles. I went into this. He's
the Red Mamba, He's Matt Bonner. Uh, he's a Spurs analyst.
Now he joins us on The Doug Gottlieb Show. Um, okay,
let's uh you watch both of these games. I thought
I knew Game one was going to be a tough one.
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There's a lot of people freaking out about the overturn
of the block charge call, but there was so much
more that took place as a guy who's played in
these games that are of this much importance, what are
your thoughts on how Game one went down? Well, I
agree with you. Well, first of all, how you doing? Yeah,
(13:44):
pleasantries out of the way. By the way, just a
side note before you do that. Uh, I will be
in New Hampshire in like two weeks. Uh, north Conway.
I don't know where where in New Hampshire you from?
You from down closer to Massachusetts are we from? Yeah? Yeah,
I'm from New Hampshire. But North Conway is an awesome town.
It's like a vacation tourist. The town tons of ski mountains,
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which doesn't help you in the summer, but great hiking.
There's an awesome I don't know if you have children,
but there there's an awesome am old school farm and
pop amusement park called story Land. They've been Conway, Yeah,
they do it. They do a summer camp over in Freiburg.
And so we we go. We dropped them off and
then we go go hang and do a little hiking,
(14:27):
a little rediscovering nature. So off air, I may get
a couple of spots to hit in new in New
Hampshire and we'll figure some stuff out. Alright, alright, let's
get to like game one, go okay, Yeah, So, so
to answer your question, everyone talks about in the playoffs,
how how important every single possession is. You know, one
one mistake here, one miss shot there can can basically
(14:51):
mean the difference between winning and losing. And we saw
that there was just a comedy of errors and mishaps
by the Camps down the stretch. With one of those
factors changes, they win the game. Um, you can go
right down the line. Obviously, the block charge called Kevin
Loves foul on the and one with Steph Curry, George
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Hill missing the free throw, the reps missing the lame
violation on the second free throw, Jr. Smith uh not
going back up with it and dribbling it out. Everybody
on the calves you could have called the time out
when they saw j R. Smith dribbling the ball out
to give them time for a game winning shot. It
as a tough pill of the swallow losing Game one
in that fashion for sure. Okay, this is just this
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just came to me. Okay, So I know you've seen
the video of Lebron and the bench after the j R.
Smith play, right where Lebron. No one's talking to anyone,
and then you know, Lebron asked Tylu about time outs.
He's like, yeah, we had a time out, and then
Lebron kind of loses it and there's there's no engagement
and that game was over. Take me back to when
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you guys lost to the Heat. Was game sit X
and you guys miss free throws, Ray Allen hits a
corner three, it goes to overtime. Do you remember what
that huddle was like? Everybody was just beyond devastated that.
I mean, to me, that loss has to go down
as one of the toughest losses ever. I remember sitting
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on the bench and they had our friends and family
all behind us ready to go on the court for
the trophy presentation. H Larry O'Brian trophy was, you know,
just to the left of our bench in the tunnel,
getting ready to be carded onto the court. They had
security come down and roped everything off to keep the
fans off. I mean, it was it was literally in
our pocket. The NBA Championship what you work for your
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whole life and all season and then bam, you know,
all those things went wrong that you alluded to and
we lost, and then we end up losing in Game seven.
But I think probably most people expected us to just
get blown out by forty in Game seven. It's because
just mentally trying to come back from such a tough
loss and everybody being so devastated. But you know what,
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what Coach Pop did? You know, he really gets the
big picture of team dynamics. I remember we all the
whole team went out to dinner and just kind of
grieved it out together. I guess that makes sense, um,
And then Coach Pop did a great job leadership perspective wise,
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so that you know, you can feel bad for yourself today,
but starting tomorrow morning, you know we've got to refill
the cup and be ready to go. We still have
another opportunity to win. You always hear Lebron say, you know,
be better tomorrow, that kind of thing. So I didn't work, though,
I just don't want to point that out, like, yeah, everybody,
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everybody came together. We came out in Game seven and
we're down too with under a minute left. You know,
gave ourselves a chance to to win on their court.
Um and then the following year, obviously we use that
as fodder and motivate Shan to come back and win
the championship. But I know what it's like to lose
a game in such devastating fashion in the finals, and
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mentally it is difficult to come back from. But that's
why team chemistry and being able to trust each other
on and off the court comes into play, so that
you could come back from it. And you know, I
thought in Game two the Calves gave a good effort.
You know, they could have easily lied down and just
gotten blown out, but you know, they gave themselves. I
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thought they gave themselves a pretty good chance for most
of the game. Obviously, Steph Curry hitting nine threes doesn't
help your chances. Um, you saw this team up close.
Of course they were there without Steph uh in that
in that early series. And you know, Durant was was incredible, right,
I mean, just he showed his true skill. There's been
a lot of discussion. I mean, like, look, those of
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us who played understand that all the pieces are important.
And one of the reasons that the Warriors have looked
fallible is Iguadala, who and guard everybody and can make
just enough plays to keep you honest eating him not
playing makes them, makes them a little bit more beatable
than they have been. But but how do you view
the importance of Durant versus the importance of Curry. It
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feels like Curry, you know, delivers those knockout blows with
the threes, but I'm not sure they're as as important
if you don't have, you know, the steady diet of
of twos and occasional threes and the ability to just
go get a bucket that you have with Durant, and
Durant can be He's not always, but can be so
much more effective at the defensive end. How do you
view the as a player now an analyst, the balance
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between the two, Well, I totally agree with everything you
just said. I think it's Durant's consistency and all around
offensive game that allows you know, Steph Curry and Clay
Thompson too, when they get hot and hit two or
three threes in a row, Damn you go from a
five point game to a point game to a point game.
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The ward Is are one of those teams where you
literally can't relax for a minute because in one minute
that could be the difference between having a chance to
win or losing by twenty. Uh Durant can get his
shot off anywhere anytime. He he has the ultimate all
round game. You can handle the ball, you can bring
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it up, you can post up, you can drive, you
can shoot threes, you can shoot pro ups. He's seven
ft tall, he's long. If you ever need a play
or or your offenses and stagnation, you can throw the
Durant's ball and say go and he's gonna probably get
a bucket for you. And that's an amazing luxury to
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have on a team that already had won championships and
set records before even joined the Boster. Matt Bonder joining
us in the doug Otlip Show. Analysts for the Spurs
Radio network. He joins us in the doug Otlip Show
here on Fox Sports. Excuse he's t TV analysts. He
joins us on Fox Sports Radio. Of course, two time
NBA champion as well, playing in the Final four team
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for the Florida Gators, joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. Um,
I when when I watched your Spurs teams play against
Lebron in the finals, what I distinctively remembered was you, guys,
I don't want to see you dared him to shoot
but you dared him to shoot right, kept him shooting
kind of those mid range jump shots, made him kind
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of think about it. And look, there were times the
game seven, for example, we just discussed he made him,
but many other times he did not. He has a
tendency to kind of think about his jump shot a
little bit too much more so than some of the
other great players we've seen. Has he broken out of
that from your perspective or is he does he still
does he still think too much about his jump shot.
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I think he's a much better shooter now later in
his career than back in thirteen and fourteen when we
played him. He uh seems to have a better balance
and understanding of when to drive and when to shoot it.
I think his percentages, especially in the playoffs, have reflected
that as far as efficiency. For sure, when we played him,
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you know, it was what does Lebron do best? Well,
he's a freak athlete. He's incredibly strong, He's a freight
train when he gets going, especially going right. We want
to do everything we can to take that away from
and made him, make him feat us with the perceived
weakness of his shooting, and if he does, if you
make shots you know, you shake his hand, you took
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your cap, and you go to dinner. As coach complex
to say, but we don't want him beating us in
the paint to the rim using his superior strength and athleticism. Um,
you know, now it's I think he's made enough jumpers
to where you have to play him a little bit
more honest in that regard. Um. But that being said,
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it's incredible the workload that guy has taken on throughout
these playoffs. He literally plays every single minute. Um, Almost
every offensive possession has run through him. You know, pick
and roll, get get, get a switch, so he has
an advantage, and then he's going to create for someone.
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I have no idea how he does it. Um. I
thought Kurd did a maskful job making adjustments in game two,
obviously using Javal McGhee, using living Yeah. Yeah, And and
it gave him a different look, give him am some
some protection at the rim, um, and gave him somebody
who can finish better. Looney's just not not the finisher
that he is. Doesn't dunk everything yet. Um, go ahead,
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I mean, just to that point, I agree with you
on the McGee thing. If if McGee can execute offensively
and defensively so he can stay on the court without
getting the foul trouble. He's one of those guys where
normally that if that's a looney or someone, that guy
can really help out. Um, but with McGee, you take
one or two steps, they put it right to the
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him and it's has two points on the LU is
a huge advantage if he can stay on the court. Yeah,
and then and then he there were times in which
they doubled Lebron kind of early. They picked him up
earlier because in Game one they kind of dared him
to shoot and he got it going and he had
a rhythm and they couldn't get him out of the rhythm.
Whereas it felt like they tried to disrupt his rhythm.
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They doubled him a little bit, made other guys make plays.
And this team just isn't constructed that way. This team,
this Cavaliers team is built with shooters all around, the
ultimate playmaker, and Lebron and those guys didn't make plays
that that an accurate assessment of some of the you know,
if we were to give a listener, uh an evaluation
of the adjustments that he made. Yeah, this Warriors team,
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they're They're in their fourth state straight finals. They've won
two championships, really should have won all three. They they
blew a three one lead Thremont Green obviously got suspended.
We know that whole story. If you want to beat
a team as talented and well coached as the Warriors,
Lebron needs his teammates to be able to step up
and make plays, especially if Steve kerr Is gonna put
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even more attention on Lebron with earlier double teams and
trapping them out of pick and rolls and that kind
of stuff. One thing I think we've seen with the
Calves is those those role players tend to and I
think this is true across the sport. Goal players tend
to play better at home. It will be interesting to
see if they can step up and make some shots
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and get some momentum here in game three. You gotta
get a win and then see what happens going is
going to game four and moving forward. But for sure,
if Steve kerr Is will be more aggressive with those adjustments,
Lebron needs his teammates stuff up. Um. This is kind
of an outside of the boss question. Matt Bond joining
us in the Doug Godlip show. It felt like Tim
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Duncan retired at just the right moment, right because I
don't know, I don't know how he operates in that
Houston's your Houston Golden State series, Like he'd say, whether
whether you want to argue he was the greatest, he's
a power forward or center, whatever like that, just his
position has kind of been eliminated because of how he plays.
Do you think that Tim Duncan, if he was Tim
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Duncan now in his prime, would be what he was
in his prime? I think so, And I think as
long as there's still a five man or a center
on the court, tim Duncan would thrive. You look at
the Houston team as long as Capella is on the court,
I mean, if they put Ryan Anderson at the A five,
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which they do sometimes, that that might be a tough
matchup for him. But Jim's ability to play angles and
use his length in his timing on picking rolls is
the best I've ever seen in my entire life. So
if you put them on a guy like Copella and
you have hardened, hardened and Chris Paul coming off picking
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rolls and Capella's rolling, I I completely you have full
confidence that Jimmy can navigate that and be able to
kind of playing between us his length, play the angles
to be able to contain those picking rolls with color,
diving to the hoop for those loaves. Um, So I
have to disagree with you on that. Yeah, I don't.
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I just don't know. I just know, you know, nobody
scores in the post. They let you be so physical
in the post. It's really really hard. And you know,
with everybody playing kind of the you know, playing the
p P P and saying a post ups or a
point seven seven, don't post up instead face up. All
these big guys shooting threes. I mean, like, I just
I don't know if if, if those seventeen foot turnaround
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bank shots off the glass would be something we'd be
playing for today, and he'd be covering you know, James
Harden or or Lebron James or or Steph Curry off
of ball screen nearly the way he used to, because
the personnel and the spacing has changed so much. Yeah,
but but he wouldn't have to guard those guys off
ball screens because, like I said, his ability to play
angles and uses length is otherworldly, So he'd be able
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to you know, coach, pop is the way you guard
those picking rolls. He'd be able to, uh, you know,
have the guard fight fight over. I mean, I'm not
gonna get down and break break into it. I think
as long as he's guarding a five like a like
a roller, um, then he's fine defensively and and offensively.
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I mean he was he's always kinda he's the ultimate competitor.
He's he's a great passer, he's a team player. He's
not someone who needs to get his shots to be
effective on the offensive end. I think you can throw
him at the ball either whether it's the high post
up at the elbows or off the block fifteen seventeen
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feet where he likes to face up and go middle
or shoot that bank shot. And and that's a place
where you have to deal with him. And he's gonna
be able to make a play either for himself to
score or make the right play for his team. Um.
He's the ultimate team player. He doesn't care about personal
glory or stats or anything. And because of that, you know,
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that's that's the biggest thing that made him such a
great player. And that's to me timeless these fundamentals. How
likely are we to have a series. You know, they
gotta win Game three in order for us to have
a series. How likely are we to have a series?
I think unlikely? And I love the Caps. I think
it's amazing, the Monday pad Um Bronze incredible. I like
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all their role players. But I think all season the
Eastern Conference in the playing for second place. If if
you were a betting man, would Kauai be wearing a
Spurs jersey Game one next year? Next year? I have
no idea, and I'm not a betting man. I'm afraid
I wouldn't gamble five dollars. That's that's how much of him.
But but but the fact is the fact you didn't
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say absolutely does lead me to think like, okay, well
maybe not right, Like is that is that? However you want?
I honestly have zero clue. M what do you think
lebron plays next year? Uh? Somewhere in the Eastern comptas?
M All right, listen, I'm gonna hit you up offline.
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I need some New Hampshire spots because I do spend
a little bit of time there. It is. Your state
is a beautiful state, beautiful beautiful, beautiful state. Appreciate you
appreciate you joined us. Enjoin the time of your family,
and thanks for joining us alright anytime, I'm in the
Red BOMBA Matt Bonnard joining us on the Doug Gottliep
Show at Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk
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Fox sports Radio dot com and within the I Heart
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on Fox Sports Radio played thirteen years in the National
Football League. Here was the premise from how I started
the show out so earlier today, As you know, the
President United States uninvited the Eagles to the White House. See,
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I actually thought he had won this thing, right, I
thought he's he was the Falcons in the Super Bowl
up three. He got he got them to change their policy.
The protests were kind of going away, and he divided
the country, reinvigorated his base. He won but by pointing
out that a bunch of guys weren't coming anyway, by
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making it more obvious they weren't coming. Instead of putting
the pressure on them and them no showing on his party,
he made himself out to be the small one he
punched down, and that's a mistake. I think he takes
the l today. What's your interpretation, And that's exactly right.
You know, he's the type of person that is the
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definition of being pettied, right, Like petty people no matter
what hand there though, they always feel like they have
to lash out. And you find him in this situation
where you're right, he won. He had the NFL, who
has not been a fan of Trump throughout the history
of him, trying to get a team, and they would,
no commissioner would let him get a team to where
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he had them been to his will this year about
the national anthem and the protest, and then he goes
and completely just for no reason. If it was ten
players there, that would have been a bigger statement for him,
opposed to well, if you don't bring everybody, and I'm
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canceling it because it's that ego. He has to get
rid of that eating well, he will never get rid
of ego, but it's that ego, like I can't take
a picture with just ten players, and you know forty
three other players decided not to come. He just his
ego wouldn't allow him to take that hit. And with
that he took a bigger l. What do NFL players
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do week one of the season? Um, I pray to
God that they all knew God I would just the
huge message that would or that that house of cards
would come come crumbling down. What what's it like that?
What's it like though? If you're if you you don't
want like is there is there a way? Because last year,
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you know, you had some guys kneel, but you have
plenty of guys that didn't, and it didn't seem to
fracture teams? Does it? Does it? Does it become a
fracturing moment if you don't support your teammates who kneel
this year? Well now because now it's the narrative has
changed again. So now it's about us against them. So
when Trump came out with the SLP comment, the owners
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led us to believe that they were with us, right,
that they were with the players. We're gonna unify. You
guys are our players. We're not gonna let anybody talk
disrespectful to you guys. You guys have families and so
on and so forth. So they came out, they locked
arms and we're gonna we're gonna have these meetings, We're
gonna donate this money and do such and such and
such and such, and then they come out and built
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to this wins. So so now they've drawn the line
in the sand. Right the players have come out and say, hey, look,
it's not about being on patriotic, but they go ahead
and side with Trump and and and and put this
rule in place. So now it's literally, what are you
gonna do right now? Now? Look, it's it's the same
rule the NBA has. And and you know the NBA
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Finals they sing the national anthem, nobody nobody takes a knee.
Absolutely not. The difference is that the NBA players have
a voice in the situation. Right, remember when when when
Lebron James and everybody wore the camp Breathe shirts some
guys where uh black lives matter of shooting shirts and
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so on and so forth, and they have that stage
in their press conference to talk about anything they would
like to talk about in terms of social issues. The
NFL does not allow those players to have that type
of stage. And what I mean by that is the
NBA is a player driven league. The NFL is not
a player driven league. About the shield, Look, the reality
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though from is you can wear like you know, your
pregame plea, much like their pregame shooting shirts, pregame clinching.
Where would you want? You know, during a press conference,
you talk about what you want. Yeah, but nobody films
the pregame of the NFL. Yes, they do. That's that's
absolutely not true. Absolutely absolutely not true. The app that
is not Yeah, I'm Odell Beckham Jr. Every pregame is filmed,
Antonio Brown, Every pregame is filmed, and they and they
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and they tweet out every one of their Why because
of his kids, because the one hand kids, that's it
all they're they're tuning in for the kids. Okay, but
the pregame, all they do for pregame for for the
NBA is Steph Curry warming up driving the basketball or
shooting from from uh from from the from the hallway.
It's it's the it's the same thing with the same like,
look do do I I agree with you that Trump
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took the l But this idea that NBA players have
a voice, like no, they don't. They have the chance
take a need they don't. They do stuff before the game,
which is when NFL players can do it before the game.
The The n b A is far more a player
friendly organization in terms of when Donald Sterling came out
and we talked out pocket, what did they do immediately?
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What they do immediately? This wasn't even a discussion. The
same same thing happened right now. What do you think
happen in Carolina? What do they have a Carolina? There's
it wasn't racism, but it was. It was sexual harassment.
And the owner who's a former player, they made him
sell the team. It's the same thing. He no, it's
not the same thing. It really isn't. I wish it
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was because this would be a smoother transition, to be
a smoother a situation that we're dealing with. It's not
the same thing because the fact of the matter is
the owners got together themselves and came up with a
rule to stop players from protesting. I understand that they
have the exact same ruleing from the rules already in
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place because because they had somebody who wouldn't stand for
the flag, so they put the rule in place. Period.
There's there's literally, look I love you, okay, but there's
no there's no difference between the two and the idea
that no one films the pre game, dude. No one
filmed the free game in the NBA until Steph Curry
did his dribbling stuff. No one filmed the pre game
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in the NFL until until Odell Beckham Jr. Start doing
the one hand catches. And you can wear your pregame
cleats just like they can wear their pregame shirts. There
is no difference. You can talk about what you want
your press conference. All they've said is if you come out,
you're gonna stand for the flag, which the exact same
thing it says in the NBA rule. Do you believe
that that should be a rule? Mhm's good question. Um,
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I believe that there are enough people there. There is
enough people in the country. Yeah, I actually think I
do think you should stand for the flag. I do.
I do I I first of all, I actually think
that Kaepernick. Like look, Kaepernick has accomplished everything he wanted
to accomplish. He started a conversation which I think all
of us would deem uncomfortable to have in sports. The
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problem is Kaepernick just doesn't know how to lead this conversation.
No matter how many good works he does, he never
has never gotten front of the microphone and been the
leader of this even though we're as Trump takes Kaepernick
doesn't know how to take credit for what he's done.
Trump takes credit for things that he has not has
nothing to do with, right, Like that's the complete opposites
of each other. So, but but do I think, Yeah,
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I think when you play the national anthem, you should
stand up for it. I do, regardless of regardless of
of how bad, uh, some things are for some people.
And and look, there are also also like, look, I'm
somebody who I understand the protest and the timing of
the protest, but I think it's different on a Memorial
Day or on September eleventh, you better stand or you know, Uh,
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for example, when the Houston Rockets welcome in the Parkland
survivors choir like I would stand up for them. Um.
So it's it's a it's a very tricky one because
you don't want to disrespect first responders that are doing
things the right way. I would, in fact stand. I
do think there should be a rule. But I also
think that you know, NFL players have taken the bait.
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That's that's what Trump tried to do. We bated, debated, debated,
you into then protesting him instead of protesting what you
originally wanted to protest. I think it's a complicentd thing,
and I and I and I think that's the problem.
I think the problem is that the narrative shifted to
favor Donald Trump, and that's not even what the intent was.
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So now all me and you are talking about is
the whole Trump thing and the problem that rules and
are we're not even talking about the issue, and nobody's
talking about the issue. I just got off then, n
And every time I'm on there are always bringing up
the issue that started it all, and no one has
any answers or any willing to address it. And in
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the Sarah Sanders Huglebee today didn't even want to add
knowledge a reporter who was saying, hey, it's as the
president made any statement about the actual UH protested self
in terms of the reason being police brutality and minority
commit she didn't even want to deal with this. I'm
moving on your being rude like it just And that's
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the problem that I'm having, the fact that you can
sweep the narrative under the rug the rug and create
your own and make it all about that, that's the
problem I'm having because the issue is still happening in
our communities. We just saw Sterling Brown. Did the video
come out of Sterling Brown being just agreediously uh mishandled
(40:33):
by Keen police officers. That's the problem I'm having. We're
talking about Donald Trump and whether or not the rule
should be implemented for standing for the national anthem and not, Hey,
let's stop being let's stop police brutality. When we're gonna
start talking about that, listen, I agree. I do actually
think that conversation takes place. I think that's why the
body cameras for both it helps, It ends up helping
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both side. It does show that some people lie when
they when they accuse the cops of mistreating them. And
I think it shows you know, Sterling Brown, who you know,
he parked illegally, should have gotten a ticket, didn't deserve
to be tased. And the fact that none of the
cops reacted like, oh, we shouldn't have done that was
was appalling to anybody who has a pulse. And I
don't I don't know how you I don't know how
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you regain them, how you change the narrative back. But
I actually think today was a win, whereas there have
been so many losses for it because Trump appeared petty
instead of somebody who was the leader of the free world.
I get it, and I understand that. And the fact
of the matter is, it's not it's the behavior of
the police is the is the reason. But it's the
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prosecution of that behavior that is the problem. Right. But
that's the problem. That nothing. They've been disciplined, they've missed
a little work, But come on now, like that's not
I could enough administrative leave. That's not good enough. That's
the Uh, that's the real protest. That's what we need
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to be talking about in terms of what's going to happen.
When does justice happen for the killing of unowned minorities
and the mistreatment. That's the problem, right, Yeah, it's appalling
to see it happen, but to see nothing happened to
the aggressives, that's where and that's where the original protest is.
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Everybody is turning the blind eye. And they always say
it's just a few bad apples. But at certain jobs,
and I think you would agree with this, at certain
jobs that you don't want any bad apples taking mind.
Would you want your surgeon to be a bad apple. No, no,
but what you do to be a bad apple? I
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agree with you. I also understand the reality of it is.
It's really it's really would you sign up to be
a cop like I wouldn't? It's right, So so when
they get people to sign up, you know that they
do the best they can. You know. It's it's like
a different but it's like school teachers, right. I think
a lot of times school teachers they sign up for
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the right reasons and then some of them change and
mature and become people that you don't really want a
round kids, and they have tenure. But it's really, it's
it's a very difficult thing. And I think that the
body cameras and the body cameras are are really important.
They're very important because, uh, the the the entire picture
doesn't lie when we see them when they're on, you know,
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and there should so I look, it's it's more complicated
than we're doing it justice and and and because I
know because and I think that you know, Kaepernick shot
to take the punt out, but he shot himself in
the foot with the cop pig socks and with the
castro shirt didn't help him. And some of the I
just think he was the wrong guy for it. All
that said, he's actually accomplished everything he wanted to accomplish,
(43:49):
and now getting the President to take an al on
it today would be a win. If he knew how to,
if he knew how to champion that win, that's I
think my my thing. You know what, would the world
be a better place if it got along like me
and you? Yeah, I don't really like you though, I'm
just kidding. It would be. It would be. It would be.
All right, did good discussion. We'll talk real football up
(44:11):
coming next. Okay. Absolutely be sure to catch live editions
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Heart Radio app. But he had to not have any
when he was left, and then he inherited like a
ten million dollars or something crazy like that, if he
could get rid of every penny, and he did. Like
(44:32):
the best one was he bought the stamps and then
he mailed him. He bought like a hundred thou dollars
stamps and then he mailed something with it, which was genius.
You couldn't spend a hundred six and he really well,
you know, the tax man takes half of it. Okay,
you can't spend ninety million dollars. Plus he's made money
outside of basketball, and he's smart and he's invested. He's
(44:55):
got houses all over like you're not. You're not losing
money on these houses all over the place, right, Like
I don't. I don't even think. I don't even if
he did drugs and you if you did drugs and
had a gambling he didn't have kids outside of wedlock,
(45:16):
like the with the expensive things divorced hadn't happened. Drug
problem doesn't do it Gambling doesn't appear to do it right.
He's diversified, like you can't spent. So I don't want
to take a hundred million more out of his pocket.
But if you go like, hey, dude, you could make
a hundred million more or you can make fifty million
more and win a championship, what would you do? Grinky
(45:40):
would say, take that money, dude, but think of how
much it changes you if you win a championship. And
then the problem is, you know, he's been the head
of the Players Association, and the Players Association is gonna
push him, and you can't take less that looks bad
more and more. Plus he's a Lebron guy. Lebron always take, get,
(46:01):
get as much as you can. Owners are taking as
much as they can. Why can't you
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Doug Gottlieb
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