September 15, 2025 • 53 mins
On a Monday edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug talks about the now 0-2 Chiefs and how the Eagles were able to beat them again.
On this installment of Love AND Hate, Doug and the crew share what they loved and hated most from the weekend.
Doug weighs in on Joe Burrow's injury and the Bengals. Doug welcomes former Chargers/Raiders GM Tom Telesco onto the show to discuss the Chargers-Raiders game, the Chiefs and all of the headlines around the NFL.
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that it's not just that the Packers are two and oh,
that's just It's not just that, but it's also that
the Packers are two and O. I live in Green Bay, Wisconsin,
and I mean it is Indian summer eighty five outside,
not a cloud in the sky.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
It's amazing. I look. I know.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
This too shall pass, but until it does, we're gonna
enjoy the heck out.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Of it here in north north northeast Wisconsin. All Right.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
You know, I'm not gonna hurt myself patting myself on
the back, but I may hurt myself patting myself on
the back because I told you that this or we
asked the question all off season is this the year
the year that the league figures out how to actually
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beat the Chiefs? And I don't know if this will
be the entire year or if it's just the beginning
of a year in which people have There's been two
straight games. Now there's also been two straight games, and
this is kind of interesting. There's also been two straight
games where the Chiefs have been victims of the other
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side of officiating. For the last however many years, six
seven years, there's been the running conspiracy theory that and
you Reid Pat Mahomes, they must have pictures of somebody
because they get every call. And now you saw some
false starts that were not called against the defending champion
Philadelphia Eagles last week. There was what appeared to be
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a pretty obvious hold on the game winning touchdown passed
from Justin Herbert, also not called. So the Chiefs fans
who have forever been annoying with the what do I
mean we get calls? Now they don't get calls two
weeks in a row, and you would you would think
we said the Lord's name in vain and game the finger.
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Here's Chris Jones, defensive lineman star for the Kansas Chiefs
on the no calls on false start.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
You know, sometimes can't get them all all the calls right,
and just because we see it.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Sometimes the official is fifteen to twenty feet away.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Sometimes it can miss those small things.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
And we think he jumped multiple times, so an official
didn't see it, so it wasn't call.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
And you know, we got to go play in this out.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Is that something you guys have seen on tape before
as you prepared.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
For this, Is that happened?
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Sometimes it happens. People jump all the time. It's just
you know, if the official see it, they'll call it.
I don't think they've seen it those few plays, and
we didn't get a call.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Okay, So that was on the Toush push. There were
two plays on the tush push where the Eagles appeared
to jump, and now one of them the eagle. The
Chiefs look like they jumped as well, but still wasn't called.
Wasn't called. And and I understand that you can use
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the old coach speak, you make your own luck, and
good teams get calls. Bad teams don't get calls. But
it is weird that how now they're right there on
you know, on the border and look there's other things
that went into loosing the game, but they don't get
those important calls. Two weeks in a row, I thought
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the it's not an indictment of Travis Kelcey, but it's
it's a play where you can go.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
God just he looked a little old on It was.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
The interception which I think Karen sort of into the
end zone right where Kelsey's open. It's at the end
of the third quarter. It was a magnificent drive by
the Chiefs. Fourteen plays. They get down right down there
and throw a little slant to Travis Kelcey, and it
just felt like he was what two three inches behind
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in terms of speed where he normally would be, and
so the ball was just it was in his reach,
but not perfectly in his reach. And then he had
it but didn't have it, and it bobbles up in
the air and it's like a Keystone Cops thing, and
suddenly the defense comes down with it, like that's an indictment.
That's what age looks like. You're not incapable of playing.
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You're just not capable of doing all the things you
used to do consistently.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
And the things you.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Do you're gonna do just a little bit slower. I mean,
if you watch Aaron Rodgers yesterday, and obviously he's much
older than Travis Kelcey, but some of the same stuff
where you know, he looks young in the face. He
moves pretty well, but he's just not moving as well.
Here's Andy Ree when he was asked about the same
toush push fall starts.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
If guys are moving early, then you've got to you know,
you've got to call that. So they'll go back and
look at that and see what their what their evaluation is.
It could be different than mine mine. I felt like
the guys were moving, That's why I was griping about it,
you know, and on the sideline there, so it's, uh,
you know, sometimes people see things different. So we'll see
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where it goes. They'll have a chance to evaluate it,
and I'll be curious to see what what the response is.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Yeah, I mean, look, I thought that was a very
measured way of saying it for a head coach. Here's
Nick Siriani. Always measured head coach the Eagles on those
complaints by the Chiefs about the toush.
Speaker 7 (05:59):
Push, and I fuss at the referees at times when
when I think it goes one way, and I would
expect them to do the exact same thing. So yeah,
it's just a good effort because you know, when you're
running that play, everyone knows you're running that play. So
there's something there's something pretty cool about being able to
execute a play when you know exactly what's coming. And
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it just speaks to the volumes.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Of our guys.
Speaker 7 (06:23):
We work our butts off on it. First of all,
it's all about the guys, right, It's all about the
guys up front. The tight ends Jalen. The timing of
everything obviously won't get into all the things that we
do to prepare for it. But you know, it's not
an easy play to practice, but our guys do a
great job of simulating it as much as we possibly can.
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You know, during practice, during walkthroughs, different things like that,
creativity by our coaches to find ways to do that.
As you can see, teams are going to do everything
they can possibly do to stop it, so you can see.
You know, some of the things won't get into that either.
I don't want give any other teams a clue to
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what they were doing, but you know, and we're prepared
for all those things and the guys are prepared for
all those things, but I think it always comes down
to those guys up front and Jailen. I've had a
lot of success with that play, and you know, we'll
continue to use it to our advantage.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
So my guess would be that from this point forward,
the league gets it and they're going to be super
tight with the fall start calls on the Eagles, much
like last year, this time there was the film out
on the Chiefs and their left tackle being essentially in
the backfield, and those were called a bunch in the
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rest of the season. But let's not let's not get
a twisted. Those are miss calls. Chiefs still could have
won the game. Ball was in Travis Kelsey's hand right
around the one yard line, and the ball bounced up,
caring up in the air and it got intercepted. Let's
let's not make excuses to know the Chiefs have been
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in those close games for years and this is the
first year where two games in they're losing them. So
let's not mistake in ourselves into thinking that the reps
are the reason that the Chiefs are zero and two.
Some of it you make your own breaks, some of
it just the team that's better, will get a break
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or two. Some of it is at some point they
had to get a bad whistle with the officiating, and
then you factor in some of the injuries they've had, suspension,
they have a wide receiver, and.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
My question all year was all off season, was is
this the year that the league has caught up to
the Chiefs. They have the Giants on the road, the
Ravens at home, the Jaguars in the road, the Lions
at home, the Raiders at home, the Commanders at home.
So for the most part, you have your tougher teams Ravens, Lions,
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Commanders of the next six at home, which makes them winnable,
and the road games are winnable as well. But right now,
you just got to get one to get on the
board and get rolling, because with every loss, your probability
of making the playoffs decreases, and with every loss, suddenly
it will feel and probably become a reality that you
won't get as many calls.
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We got a Monday night football preview Raiders Chargers.
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But we do this every Monday and it's just a
way of one getting our opinion across, but two share
with you some insight into things that ticked us off
where it made us feel good.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
We call it love and hate.
Speaker 8 (10:22):
What did you love?
Speaker 2 (10:23):
God?
Speaker 9 (10:23):
I love you?
Speaker 8 (10:24):
And what did you hate?
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Meetle's player hay is.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Love love, love, love, love, hate, hate, hate, hate hate?
What'd you love? What'd you hate from the weekend? Pretty simple, right,
Let's start with you, Dan Byer, what'd you love from
the weekend?
Speaker 10 (10:43):
Doug?
Speaker 11 (10:43):
Mine is multi layered. What I love from the weekend
happened in Pittsburgh yesterday and here's a snapshot of what happens.
Speaker 12 (10:51):
Oh, let's go through the hands of Cane Johnson.
Speaker 8 (10:54):
He may have touched on bell.
Speaker 13 (10:55):
That would be a lot bell. Let's see what the
ruling is here.
Speaker 12 (11:00):
It is a touchdown.
Speaker 8 (11:02):
It's a touchdown.
Speaker 12 (11:04):
Oh Seattle gets the score going.
Speaker 11 (11:08):
On the field.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
The ball get in the landing zone.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
On a kickoff, somebody's got to cover it for the
receiving team.
Speaker 12 (11:16):
It was recovered by the kicking team in the Amazon.
Speaker 11 (11:19):
Touchdown completely changed the game in Saddle's favor. Yesterday, Caleb
Johnson with the air rookie Caleb Johnson, which some have
called a rookie mistake. That's what I also love about this.
But with this love, there's a bit of hate to it.
Fox TV Adam emin on the call there what I
heard and ad on social media. A lot of excuses
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stuff made up. Can can't have a rookie back there,
rookie mistake, you know these new rules, can't have a
rookie back there. That doesn't apply to any of this,
absolutely none of it. It doesn't matter if you're a
rookie or you've spent twenty years in the NFL. You
need to know the room rules. And by the way,
the new rules really aren't that confusing. In this scenario,
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if the ball would have landed short of the goal
line and go into the end zone, say in twenty
twenty one, guess what, you have to hire it up. Yes,
so it's not a rookie mistake. The new rules may
make it confusing, but it's not. You can't have a
rookie back there. You got to have someone back there
that knows the rules. What you can have is someone
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that doesn't know the rules. And Caleb Johnson didn't know
the rules. Tomlin pulled them on the next kickoff because
the Seahawks had to kick off again because they scored.
But change the game and the Seahawks got a much
needed win in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 13 (12:39):
And I hate to let the listeners too far beyond
the curtain. Harabit and Doug's note to us last night
of things that intrigued him most from the weekend. He
made the comment, and I think this was aimed at you, Dan,
did you feel any sense of revenge from the Super
Bowl twenty years ago? Yesterday?
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Oh?
Speaker 11 (13:00):
None, zero zilch. It was nice to get a win,
but nothing will ever make up for that travesty of
officiating in Detroit on that Sunday evening.
Speaker 10 (13:10):
Nothing, man, that was bad.
Speaker 12 (13:13):
That officiating in a Lions game.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
You know, Detroit either.
Speaker 12 (13:19):
Way, like still around the alliance.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
I'm not sure if I'm not sure if you're aware,
but Jerome Bettison's from Detroit.
Speaker 10 (13:25):
I heard about that. I wasn't sure.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Chris Purfett, that's out of the noise. He's Detroit's finest.
What'd you left from the weekend?
Speaker 12 (13:34):
I mean, is it too easy? I don't want to.
I know it's coming up on the show here. But
after a lot of hand ringing, after can the Lions
win without Ben Johnson, after getting shellacked by what is
looking to be an absolute wagon of a defense by
the Green Bay Packers, coming back and stepping up and
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putting fifty two points on the Chicago Bears, is really
hard to uh to not love that. But I'm gonna
pick out one thing I love from the game. Some
Lions fans set up their own version of the Lambeau Leap.
You know, imitation is a serious form of flattery, things
of that nature, called the Lions leap Zone. On the
third I'm on raw Saint Brown touchdown of the game
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really should have been the fourth. He got stopped like
one yard short of the goal line on a catch,
Amana Saint Brown goes into the stands perfect form ten
out of ten things of that nature. Jared Goff then
tries to follow him up there, and I don't know
if you've seen the video, Doug, but it is a
it's a struggle. It's it's definitely a dad trying to get,
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you know, clamber over a fence. And it didn't go
well for Jared Goff, but in that moment, and you
could see on his face as like I probably bit
off more than I could chew.
Speaker 11 (14:52):
But it just tip GoF leap is the first like
auto correct it was.
Speaker 12 (14:58):
It was not. It didn't well for him, but it
was very fun and I love it.
Speaker 13 (15:03):
Jase, Thank you, Doug. I'll take it from here. I'll
tell you what I need to give credit where it's
due in this moment, Chris Purfet, credit to you for
actually reading my rundown. I'm not going to name any names,
but there are certain people that sit in his chair
every day and certain hosts of the show that often
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just don't follow the rundown. And for Chris to just
give the courtesy that he understands that There is content
later in the show that just tells me that you're
reading the rundown, and I very much appreciate that because
I you know, I write these things out for a reason.
I'm gonna stick to the same game here, different angle.
I'm going to talk about Kayleb Williams. I love watching
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him struggle. I watch I love watching Ben Johnson get
infigurated by his mistakes. There are so many times when
you look at Ben Johnson, especially yesterday, and you can
just palpably see him wishing he had Jared Goff so
many mistakes, and I know a lot of people are
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forgetting this, So I want to be the one guy
that keeps reminding people of this. Caleb Williams isn't just
a generational talent. Remember, he was going to be the
player that changed the way we did business in the NFL.
He was going to ask for ownership of the team
that drafted him. According to Seth Wickersham's recent book, he
tried to leverage uh It so that the Vikings could
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draft him, or just so that he could pick to
go to the Vikings and not have a draft like
he was going to be the one that changed the system. Remember,
and I want to keep reminding people of that this
isn't just your number one draft pick who wasn't doing well.
This was the next thing.
Speaker 10 (16:48):
Guys.
Speaker 11 (16:51):
Can I also add on to that because there's a
Ben Johnson point, by.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
The way, his love was, here's how much of a
hater Jason Stewart is. His love was actually really hate
being hate? Yes, right, that's really what.
Speaker 12 (17:03):
Don't we all love watching Caleb struggle? No am, I yes,
it's I at some point it's going to get old.
I just it feels bad. Sorry, go on.
Speaker 11 (17:13):
Well, what's frustrating to me actually with Caleb Williams is
when you do see glimpses of how good he could be,
and it's just not like channeled through the world of
an NFL quarterback. It's high school college quarterback. That's what's frustrating.
Like there, I think that the skills are right there,
you see all of them, but for it to not
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to work out is got to be increasingly frustrating if
you're a Bears fan. The other portion of this is
I think Bears fans are saying, gosh, you know, we
should we should have taken Jane Daniels. So that was
part of the takedown in ty Dunn's piece about the
Bears of haw Ryan Poles didn't do any pre draft diligence, Yeah,
and ripped Drake May like put all this, put all
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of these lists of bad things that Drake May did
at quarterback because there was no way that they were
going to draft him. But the problem with that is
Ben Johnson had a chance to coach Jaden Daniels, but
he withdrew from the commander's search as the commanders were
coming to interview him when he was the Lions offensive coordinator.
They had the second overall pick. You knew at that
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point that they were going to take a quarterback. He
decided not to pull out as the commander's contingent was
on the way to Detroit to interview him and Aaron Glenn.
And then they end up hiring Dan Quinn, which right
now has been a pretty good hire and probably the
best hired there that hiring cycle.
Speaker 12 (18:36):
If I could add one last thing to this too,
it's that there was a lot of ink spilled over
the past calendar week about can Jared Goff succeed without
Ben Johnson or Sean McVay. And I think after that
game last night, I tried to make the joke this
can Ben Johnson succeed without Jared Goff. Didn't go over
so well with some people, But I.
Speaker 11 (18:58):
I think Detroit has set up better personnel wise. But
the whole hiring of Ben Jonson is to fix Caleb Williams,
and two games in we haven't seen it.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I'll tell you what I loved. Do you remember when
Rich Rodriguez last coached at West Virginia and he left
for Michigan. They were twenty they were twenty six point
favorite to take take take down our rival Pitt last
game of the year, backyard backyard brawl. They lost. He left,
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went to Michigan. By the way, this is same Rich
Rodriguez who turned down Alabama right turned down Alabama, went
to Michigan, it didn't work, got fired, went to Arizona
some limited success, then got fired Arizona, circled back and
ends up as head coach at West Virginia, come from
behind victory against Pitt in the backyard brawl. I don't
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know Rich Rod. I can't tell you if he's a
good dude, bad dude, or whatever. I have no idea.
What I do know is he's the He's considered the
godfather of running out of the spread offense. You go
back to his days at Tulane before he got to
West Virginia. Before that, it was all Mike Leach where
they would throw it, you know, with wide splits, and
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rich Rodriguez was the first to really run it out
of the spread. But more than anything, like, I just
I love the West Virginia Pittsburgh backyard brawl. That game
was pitt had complete momentum and West Virginia flipped it
ends up winning a game. Rich Rod kind of goes
happy crazy in the postgame interview and getting a chance to,
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I don't know, to right his wrong or come back
and change the what it says on his tombstone in
West Virginia.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
I think it was pretty cool. Loved it.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Let's get there what we hated from the weekend. I'm
gonna start. I'll start with this as the premise. Two things. One,
Deshaun Foster's a friend of mine. He's a former teamate
of mine at Tustin High School when I was a senior.
He was a freshman basketball player. If I knew he's
gonna be a football star, So we do have a relationship.
He even came on with us. If you remember after
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the really odd start to his coaching career at media
days at the packed B Day's last year, do I
think they were They were.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Zero and three.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
They lost to New Mexico at home. It was looking
like a disaster. I'm not defending what the team looked like. Okay,
but do people understand UCLA's not even in school yet.
They don't start school until September twenty fifth. They're on
the quarter system. He got his quarterback late. They took
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the kid from Tennessee who tried to leverage Tennessee four
million dollars, ended up getting a million at UCLA and
looks like he's worth a buck fifty. Okay, So some
of this is in selection and somebody is the fact
he wasn't their first choice and they around and he
was going to be a running backs coach with the Raiders,
I believe, and then they brought him back to being
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the head coach. That is all moderate UCLA, and it's
not easy, but one season in three games and that's it.
And do you guys know that every one of their
players for the next thirty days can get into the
portal And oh yeah, by the way because they haven't
started school. Now, the schools they would have to leave
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and go to would have to have space and the
ability to get them into school. But you could lose
your whole football team.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Lose your whole football team.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I don't know how long you're supposed to be given
in the college football process at the Power four level.
I understand that, but I can tell you that that
hits every under And it's not like DeShawn has personal problems.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
He doesn't.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
He's a good man, a good husband, a good father,
a good coach. Was it too big a job too soon?
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Maybe?
Speaker 1 (22:57):
You know, But part of it was Chip Kelly left
to take an offensive coordator position because he didn't believe
you could win there, and a Shawn has proven right
now you can't win there. I just I you know,
I know Virginia Tech fired their coach. You're talking them,
what three games in to his fourth season?
Speaker 2 (23:15):
But why are you.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Firing coaches three games in? Like what is the point? Like, well,
they might turn around, they might win a bunch of games. Okay,
you can still fire them at the end of the season.
But you know you don't do you don't put all
your players up in the air in this turmoil where
they can get you, they can leave. Every agent, every
coach in the country's reached out to them.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
You don't do that. Let them coach the season.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
If you want to fire them after the season, fire
after the season, it's your right to do so.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Then you pay him to walk away.
Speaker 13 (23:42):
I just hate this now, Doug. I know he's your buddy,
or at least you went to high school with them
and stuff, and I have a very casual interest in
college football, so I come.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
By the way you say, he's also in the conversation
of worst college football job in the country.
Speaker 13 (23:54):
But go ahead, well, okay, and if that's the case,
that's the case. But I just wish that there was
some kind of an indicator, early indicator that maybe this
wasn't gonna work out.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
UCLA and a Big Ten.
Speaker 14 (24:08):
Where a school that's won what one hundred and twenty
three championships, so this fits us being right in this
conference football wise, which is excited. You know, I'm sure
you guys don't know too much about UCLA but our
football program, but we're in LA.
Speaker 13 (24:27):
If only there was like an early indicator that he.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
It was it wasn't, it wasn't great. It wasn't even good.
And it was funny, but it wasn't. Yeah, that wasn't great.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Was it great? Feel bad for my guy? Anyway?
Speaker 1 (24:47):
All right, Jace, you're a resident hater. You love, you hate?
Speaker 2 (24:50):
What do you hate?
Speaker 13 (24:53):
I'm gonna I'm gonna offer you guys up two words.
It's actually one word and one number to be exact.
Free four free four is what I hate. Travis Kelcey
and his teammates thought it would be a smart idea
to arrive in T shirts and work out in T
shirts with that read free four. Now the background there
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is that Roshie Rice, former I want to say, first
round draft pick receiver of the Chiefs, had agreed to
be suspended for six games by the NFL this season
after pleading guilty too felony charges. He was the driver
in a hit and run that took out several cars
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on a freeway where he was driving recklessly. There were
reports of guns. Somehow that gun charge went away in
the process of the police. That is open for I
guess to debate dispute. Why would gun charges go away?
He received exactly zero jail time. Instead, he is not
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going to be able to play the first six weeks
of the chief season. Where does Free four come in?
He is free, he's not in prison. The only reason
he's not in prison is because he's a member of
the Kansas City Chiefs. If he's just normal Joe schmol
in the streets, he recklessly drove into cars at a
high speed and fled the scene, and there were guns.
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Not sure where that went, not sure that went, but
I will say you got off pretty easy, Chiefs. Free
four just seems very uh. I don't know, blind Am
I missing something?
Speaker 10 (26:38):
Dan Byr No, I don't think that you are. But
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 11 (26:42):
I've got Andy Reid here talking about those T shirts,
and it sounds like he may be missing something. We
may have to pop the music down a little bit, Chris,
just to hear this. But here's Andy Reid.
Speaker 6 (26:51):
I've seen it, sense, I didn't see it then, but
I would tell you. I know these guys love Rashie
and they feel form sitting out here, you know, and
and so it's I think it's no more than that.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Man.
Speaker 10 (27:06):
I just.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
I'm sorry, Sam. I just think that those guys, they
they they love the kid and want them to feel
part of it in their own way. I really don't
think it's anything more in that sound.
Speaker 13 (27:23):
I mean, how moronic is this?
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Doug crazy? I mean, it's again just.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
When you live in your own kind of athlete bubble
is probably my only way in which I could sort
of understand it. But when I was like, like, that's
not the world hasn't done for she Rice?
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Wrong? Right, she Rice?
Speaker 1 (27:44):
The only reason he's not in jail is because he's
a member of the Kansas Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Iright, we're all.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
And if only there was video of it too, Yeah,
there was a video of it, So I just it's
I'd like to feel bad for the Chiefs for not
getting those two false start calls on the tush push.
I would you know, I don't. I'm not a big
Eagles guy. Everybody knows that. I think no one really
outside of Eagles fans or big Eagles people. But like,
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what do you like free four? This is not like
he was incarcerated for a crime he didn't commit. He
suspended for football, and that's probably the most lenient punishment
he could get.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
I have zero sympathy for the Chiefs for that.
Speaker 11 (28:29):
I will also say, and I think that Andy Reid's
the SoundBite was interesting because it was a couple of
years ago, prior to the Super Bowl, where Andy Reid's
son Yep, was involved in a traffic accident driving under
the influence and severely injured a young child. And there's
not much difference in the two things to see. I
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was curious on his perspective of it. Says obviously you
heard he didn't know that they were wearing the shirts,
But I thought that his angle was an interesting ang a.
I was just curious to hear what his opinion was.
He said it didn't go too deep, and I sided
with Jason.
Speaker 12 (29:09):
Last part is the important part, to be honest, well,
real quick, I hate going after Jason on these because
now I feel like I'm trying to bring it back
to a lighter tone on the hate rather than you know,
everything goes.
Speaker 10 (29:24):
Chris.
Speaker 12 (29:27):
I've never been a fan of arch Manning I am.
I've had questions about how vaunted he's been. If he
was named Archi Johnson, we wouldn't be talking about him
this way. I had questions about him getting annointed the
first overall pick and a Heisman favorite after barely any
time last year, and I kind of don't understand the
obsession with him right now. But what I hate isn't
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arch Manning himself. So arch Manning has the second game,
and it's just I think what I hate is the
amount of people who have, like who were believing in
arch Manning, like someone like Paul fine Bomb who just
declares himself completely off arch Manning after two games, like
there's just no there's no conviction in this anymore. I
just ask that people be honest about it. I don't
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want you putting up your finger seeing which way the
wind is blowing and then immediately jumping off. And again,
I haven't really believed in arch Manning from the start,
but if you believe in arch Manning, you should probably
give him more than two games instead of just doing
this flip flop, whimsy washy thing. It's enraging because it's
not fair to arch Manning at that point either, like
suddenly you go from being his biggest advocate to just like, nope,
(30:31):
I'm done. He's not gonna be good for the rest
of the season. I don't get him.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Well, here's the bigger part prefet that I I actually
would agree with you on, which is it's not just
that they're jumping ship. It's that they didn't know what
they were talking about to begin with.
Speaker 12 (30:46):
Yes, yeah, like again, we had very little to work
with with Arch Manning. You anointed him so quickly, which
was always my concern, but now very almost as quickly,
you're just ripping the crown away and running for the hills.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Yeah, it's but even even deeper than that, you're Paul
fine Bomb right, And I I had a buddy actually
this weekend, older gentleman who is like, hey, does fine
Bomb know what he's talking about? And I was like, well,
generally I don't think the answer is yes. But he's
been working in the SEC long enough that if he calls,
they'll pick up the phone.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
So the fact is that he obviously.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Didn't call, didn't ask anybody, so he had no idea
that you know, where Arch was in his development or
that he might struggle. So so if anything, he should
be self critical and go, hey, that's on me.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
I didn't do any research.
Speaker 11 (31:35):
I'll buy everyone's stock if they want to sell, because
I am. I'm still and I think it's still absolutely one.
I think Chris's line, I know I didn't mean this,
but I do want to address the people, say if
if his name was Arch Johnson. No, that's one of
the reasons why it's not. It's not a it's not
an advantage. It's in an NFL world of wanting to
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know as much as you possibly can about some one
and a player to know that there. He comes from
a football family that has developed one and possibly two
Hall of Fame quarterbacks within that family tree, and his
grandfather was a quarterback in the NFL as well. Sorry,
I think that helps you. I just say I think
that it does, and there's added pressure that comes with that,
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But I think that's I think that's a big part of.
Speaker 10 (32:26):
Who he is.
Speaker 11 (32:27):
I feel like the last name isn't Manning is kind
of a weird shot that sometimes people.
Speaker 10 (32:34):
Take at him.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Dan, you gotta hate go for it.
Speaker 10 (32:37):
Did you guys see Ken Rosenthal over the weekend? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:40):
What was that about?
Speaker 11 (32:42):
Mean mugging Ken Rosenthal? This is tough his Fox Sports.
But the video of him after the dousing after the
Brewers win a comeback win on Saturday night where he
knocked over a photog trying to get a picture and
then standing over him not a good look. Not a
good look at all. And then I heard Ken's apology
(33:04):
today and it just didn't resonate with me, did not.
Hint Holm felt that it was a bit contrived and
that he downplayed it. I yeah, I'm not a fan
of that at all. Didn't like that.
Speaker 13 (33:16):
I saw the apology as well. I just don't think
that Ken quite understands how viciously he looked at the guy,
and like all of us are thinking, Okay, that's the
Ken Rosenthal, like in those moments, that's him.
Speaker 10 (33:33):
He was right, He was.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Right, especially because and here's what happens, okay, fairly unfairly right.
Like his job as side of the reporter is that's
always kind of something light and something fun and hey,
like I'm part of the cool guy thing or whatever.
And then when you see that moment, it is doubly
bad because now you can't every sort of light interaction
(33:55):
that he has an interview appears to be completely phony.
Speaker 13 (33:59):
Exactly, he's literally looking down on the guy, and he's
figuratively looking down his nose at the guy. I did
like Aj Prazinski's summary of the event says, it looked
like I'll lee looking down at listen. That was exactly
the way it looked.
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out at least three months with a turf toe injury.
Here's Zach Taylor, head coach of CINCINNTI Bengals, talked about
the win yesterday and how much the fans of the
Bengals helped it.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (34:59):
I looked up as we had the final turnover, they
returned to ten and our crowd started this. This crowd
was outstanding today. They gave us a huge advantage. I
did see people leaving thinking it was over.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
It.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Don't blame them.
Speaker 5 (35:09):
We just threw a pick on the ten yard line
and all our defensive was rise up, get four stops
and we go ninety something yards to win the game
and trust me, I don't I don't blame anybody. The
overall performance today wasn't what our standard is and what
we want. And I mean and I asked our fans
to start off this game hot, and they started off hot.
I mean, that was the standard you set in a
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home opener from a fan base in terms of being
in their seats when I ask, I appreciated that, making
life really difficult, difficult. They had to burn an early
time out just like we had last week because of
the crowd noise, and you could hear them throughout, and
we just got to do a better job not having
to come back in the last two minutes of the game,
putting ourselves in a better position. But again, proud and
(35:50):
everybody will learn from this and know that the Bengals
are never out of it and we're going to We're
gonna continue to find a way to win.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Okay, So Jake Brown would be the quarterback for the
time being. You know, three months is twelve weeks whatever.
That's a lot of football games. They go to Minnesota,
to Denver home versus the Lions, then to Green Bay. Yikes,
that is a tough tough schedule. The back end of
their schedule. You know, last three games are Dolphins, Cardinals, Browns.
(36:16):
So if he's back and they need a couple of wins,
it's not crazy. You think he could get that done,
but unlikely. Speaking of the Vikings game, right, Tom Tellsco
is going to join us, I'm gonna ask him about
turf toe. He's dealt with it all twelve years as
a general manager. But as much as Jake Browning is
the starting quarterback for the Bengals, causing.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
A lot of people to go like, whooh yeh.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio, and
I consider our show really lucky to have Tom Telesco
as a weekly guest, not even thinking about the fact
that Week two is the Telasco Bowl on Monday Night football.
Speaker 11 (36:53):
Right.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Two teams that he built, the Raiders where he walked
into a project which was kind of half completed, then
he walked out when it was sort of half completed, right,
and the Chargers that he built several times over into
a winner. He's Tom Telesco, he's the former general manager
of the Chargers and the Raiders, and he's our guest
here weekly on the Doug Gottlieb show on Fox Sports Radio.
(37:16):
Have you thought about what tonight's gonna be like with
that game on TV?
Speaker 9 (37:20):
Yeah, I'll tell you what. I will say that the
Raiders are definitely We're not half completed by me. I
was only there for a year. But the Chargers, you know,
eleven years as a GM, so I just know so
many people there. Still know a good amount of the players,
even though they've they've made some pretty good additions since then.
But it's gonna be really interesting because I just know
both teams really really well and washing and play against themselves.
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So yeah, it's gonna be a little bit strange. I
will say I was just looking at the game, like
the Chargers defense is like this kind of goes under
the radar, I think a little bit because of Justin Herbert.
But they're doing a great job on that side of
the ball. They're just out in the middle and they
got Derwin James and Dan Henley kind of rangey both
(38:04):
both run and past. So it's gonna be a really
interesting games tonight.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Yeah, it will be very very interesting. We'll circle back
to the game in a second. Have you ever had
one of your top players? I mean, you had so
many things you've been through as GM, and then you
go back to your time in India and have you
ever had a guy, have a high level player have
turf tows.
Speaker 9 (38:28):
It's not coming to mind. And believe me, at a
GM like you, you spend a lot of time with
your team doctors during the season. Price spend more time
with them by far than even the college scouts. It's
a common injury. It wasn't really common for quarterbacks. It's
more common for field position players, receivers, dbs and sometimes
a combo player, a linebacker, running back. But I don't remember,
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and I'm sure we have. But what I do know
because I know we had some grade one and grade two.
The grade three is pretty significant. So you're looking at
surgery and I know they're saying twelve weeks, but I
mean that's that's if everything goes perfect, which I don't.
I just don't. To me, they have to get ready
for Jake Brian to finish the season as the quarterback.
I don't know if it's realistic, but this type of
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injury and the surgery and then how you have to
play with it. He'll be fine, Joe Burrow, He'll be
fine in the end, he'll be one hundred percent next year,
but for this year, it's an extremely difficult just to
be able to plant and throw with that injury. But
I can't remember very many great threes, but I do remember,
you know, we've had great ones of great twos, and
the question was always if you do get to a
greade three, then that's significant, and the grade one great
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two you can kind of manage a little bit. I
think Philip Rivers had some sort of turf toe at
some point of my career there, but it was something
he could always kind of manage through, whether it's you
can put it like a steel shank in your shoe
just to kind of limit the mobility of the toe,
sometimes getting an injection and kind of play through it.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
If you're the Bengals and this is a position you
have been in, rightquarterback goes down, you got Jake Browning,
And for those of us are old enough to remember,
like Jake Browning was like maybe the top two or
three prospects in the country before he went to college, right,
and so I mean he's a backup.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
What do you add?
Speaker 1 (40:15):
And and again let me I I don't need to
add my thoughts because you've been in this position. Okay,
quarterback goes down, starting quarterback goes down, you got a backup.
Now you got to add one. Take me through, like today,
you walk into the office and what's the discussion, Like, well.
Speaker 9 (40:32):
I mean, for the first discussion, is that Jake brown
the one that we're gonna go with for the rest
of the year, And in this particular situation, they answered
absolutely yes. You know, he's not a big name, but
he's a he's a big name in NFL circles. I mean,
he's played well in Joe's absence. He's got great pocket poise,
and he's really really accurate. And the fact that he's
already played a good amount of snaps for the Bengals
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and for Zach Taylor leads you that, hey, this is
the guy that we're going to go with moving forward.
In they'de a lot of investments at receiver and tight
end and those guys are gonna have to step up
and raise their level of play. Two for the quarterback position.
So in the second part for the front office, okay,
well we need another backup, because God forbid something happens
to Jake Browning, we have to have somewhere to go
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and probably you know, the Bengals are a good team.
Preferably you'd like to have a veteran that could be
the backup. Right now is just you know, there's just
not The pool right now is obviously very small because
you don't what you don't want to have to do
is shake Briant gets hurt in your season completely over.
But unfortunately for money, once you get to your third quarterback,
it's going to be extremely difficult. So right now it's
(41:39):
about trying and find the right third quarterback. And usually
at this time of the year, you prefer that quarterback
has some familiarity either with your coordinator slash head coach
or has some familiarity with the type of offense that
you run, because you may have to player the later.
You just never know. So that's the discussion today, is Okay,
who's now the backup? Is he currently on our practice
squad or is he someone that we to go outside
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the team to go get.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Okay, well help me out here. Okay, So Dan Pitcher
is the offensive four dator for the Bengals, you know,
and so what is what's his kind of family tree?
Like who what offense is that? Like where you can
find somebody with familiarity towards it.
Speaker 9 (42:22):
Well, Dan's been there a long time. Actually, Dan Pitcher
worked in our scouting department and when I was with
the Coole and then he transitioned into coaching after that
and he vote the Bengals for a long time. So
he's been there with Zach Taylor. He's been there with
Brian Callahan who was there. So if there's someone from
the Callahan tree that's available, you know, maybe that's somebody
they take a look at. But Dan's a really sharp
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coach and he's gonna have to get whatever the quarterback is.
Even with the familiarity, he's gonna have to get them
up the speed as quickly as possible. And look, it
could be something where that we just promote a quarterback
from our practice squad initially and that player throws us
the backup as we go through our process to make
sure we add the right quarterback at the backup. It
doesn't have to be by tomorrow, you know, it could
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be by next week or the week after to find
the right guy. Because they do have quarterbacks on them,
they have at least one on the practice squad.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
So well, I ask you, because like Kirk Cousins. Does
that work?
Speaker 9 (43:16):
I don't think that works, just because they have the
starter right now who they feel good about. So I
don't think you'd be looking to make a trade for
Kirk Cousins to come in your backup at this point.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Stut Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. That's the voice
of Tom to lescou He's he was the general manager
of the Chargers for eleven years, with the Raiders for
a year, and he's kind of to spend some time
this year on a weekly basis on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
is the is the Dolphins? Are the Dolphins fixable?
Speaker 9 (43:49):
Well, this is a good news. I thought the offense
was much better from Week one to Week two, so
you've got that to hang your hat on. You you
saw improvement with two and with the offense in general.
To me, the bigger issue was the Patriots don't have
a premier offense yet and the Dolphins defense really struggles
for the second straight week. So that's the issue right now,
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and it's going to take everybody, you know, including you know,
leadership from the head coach and then really the assistant
coaches putting a plan together, a scheme together on both
sides to try and make some improvements because it's tough.
I mean, it's tough for any team to go in
to start a year zero to two. It's such a
long offseason. There's so much hope with every organization going
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into the season, and we don't play well right off
the bat. It takes a lot of leadership, both with
the coaching staff and in the locker room to kind
of overcome that which they can, which they definitely can,
but it's gonna take a lot of work moving forward.
But the good thing is that I saw some better
signs on offense, especially in the passing game, that they
got better from Week one to week two.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
The Kansas City Chiefs, they lose again at home end
of the third quarter.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
Travis Kelce he drops the ball.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
You know, Mahomes sort of led him a little bit,
but I mean he hit him in the hands and
he bumbles it and he gets intercepted. Uh what was
that was the pass off or was that a sign
of Kelsey losing a half step and that's why he
was behind with that ball actually ended up?
Speaker 9 (45:20):
I mean, it's hard to say. I mean it was
such a fluky play. So unfortunately, those plays happened. But
to me, the bigger thing was that the Chiefs last
couple of years, they've had an outstanding defense and then
Mahome has made a lot of plays on offense. They've
had enough on offense to win, but it's really been
a defensive team. So in Week one against the Chargers,
a little uncare characteristic of how they performed. But the
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defense rebounded this week. I thought they looked much better,
got some pressure, you know, played the run pretty well.
So that was that was great, but the problem the
offense just didn't have any juice again, and you know,
the the running game just hasn't he had never been
a focal point of the chart of the of the Chiefs,
but they're not getting a lot there that you know,
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both tackle spots struggled last year and it's kind of
continuing on this year. And the Eagles really challenged the tackles.
They got a lot of one on ones and they
won a lot of the one on ones. And Eagles
played a lot of man coverage and forced the receivers
the char of the Chiefs to win and they didn't
win that much. So, you know, the good news for
the Chiefs is, look this offense is not a lot
different than last year's and you know they'll get They'll
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get Rice back soon, Rachi right back soon. They made
a Super Bowl with this type of offense. But the
margin for errors is a lot smaller right now. But
the defense had to keep coming along, keep playing the
way that they need to play. But offensively, they just
have a lot of holes right now that are just
really being focused on more so this year than other years.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
The the Steelers have some holes as well. A team
that's put together kind of win now, and they really
struggled offensively against the Seahawks.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
What issues did you see?
Speaker 9 (46:59):
Well, I mean some of the same things that that
showed up in Week one. It's just like each week
is just you know, week to week, depending on your opponent,
depending on your opponent's strengths and weaknesses are different, and
it only take a little couple of little things and
you have, you know, a special teams are that gives
up points.
Speaker 10 (47:14):
It kills you.
Speaker 9 (47:16):
Aaron Ryders still made some throws, some very good throws.
But when when you get pressure on an older quarterback
who used to be mobile, who's just not mobile anymore,
it makes for a difficult time. And that's why past
protection for them is going to be key this year
because if you can give Aaron Rodgers some time, he
can still throw it. He gets the ball out quick
you know, he knows where to go with the football
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obviously and process quickly. But you know the rest of
the offense, as far as the run game, pass protection,
you know, that didn't wasn't where it needed to be
this week. It wasn't where it needed to be in
Week one either, And then the thing that thought they'd
be able to rely on is the defense. The defense
is really strong and that's still coming along. So this
is one of those things. I think the defense will
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kind of come back to where it needs to be
as you get the week three and four. I think
they're much better than how they're playing. Picemith getting hurt
is not gonna help, but luckily it's not season ending.
But this is one where the defense really needs to
step up as well.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
JJ McCarthy struggled. Now obviously, first game, struggled in the
first half. Some of the second half. They put it together.
They win a game this week. It's just it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
Great, right.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
What did the what the Falcons do to confuse the
rookie or second year player, but first year starting.
Speaker 9 (48:31):
Yeah, I don't know if there's so much confusion. I
actually saw. I know he didn't play great. I know
the numbers weren't weren't good, but I did see some
positives from McCarthy because he does show and it's not
consistent yet, but he does show the ability to be
in the pocket, progress through his reads and anticipate and
make make throws. Now, one of the bigger issues right
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now for Minnesota is Christian Darrisa is not playing left
tackle because he's hurt. So they had justin school in
the game and he got hurt to their third tackle
was in the game. The starting center Ryan Kelly went
out with an injury, so he had a lot of
pressure early. The Falcons did a great job on the
edges getting pressure, which is something that we've been saying
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for years, like will they ever add you know, pass
rush help, will they ever add edge help. It was
funny every year in the draft, I thought there was
a number one need and they always win in a
different direction, including when they draft the Pennix. But this
year they went out and you know, first two picks
or pass rushers and those two guys are playing well,
so they got a lot of pressure on McCarthy. But
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I still saw some positives in McCarthy's play. But it's
just going to be a process with them. I mean,
especially a rookie quarterback. He's seeing everything for the first time.
The defensive line is not quite as strong now as
it was last years Sam Darnold, and that's really due
to injury. It will get back to where it was,
so that's going to help them. But yeah, that was
that was a tough watch last night, and that's kind
of the you know, the life of the rookie quarterback.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
What do NFL people think about the Colts new owner
on the sideline listening to the play calls taking notes.
Speaker 9 (50:07):
Well, I think from the Colts standpoint, they're just used
to it because she's been doing that for a number
of years, all the way back to when Frank Rich
was there. So for them, it's it's just it's part
of their process. So I think if you're a player
head coach, you know, if you're secure enough in what
you do, I wouldn't even be concerned about it, wouldn't
be worried about it. So is it different and unique? Yeah?
Speaker 12 (50:27):
It is.
Speaker 9 (50:28):
But that's one of the great things about the Colts.
They do some things outside the box. And that's your
versary legacy right there, of just trying to think outside
the box and do some different things. So but like
I said, she's been doing that for so long, it's uh,
you know, for them, it's just second mature.
Speaker 1 (50:44):
What what tack happened to? Justin fields? I mean again,
you talked about Pittsburgh's defense. He looked great last week.
I mean, really, really, what was it? What the Bills do?
Speaker 9 (50:56):
I don't it's I don't use anything Buffalo did. I
just think it's you know what the type a player
that susin fields is. I mean, I know he made
some throws in Week one, but if you look at
the whole body of work over the course of his career,
you know, he's never really been a sit in the
pocket it's third and twelve and be able to convert
those at a high percentage. You know, he's more of
a you know throw Some of our pos use his
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feat us his feat the scramble. He used to seat
the scramble to throw, not always the run. But then
if he runs, he's a dynamic runner. But you know,
what's kind of cut up with him with in Chicago
and Pittsburgh is just, you know, is that traditional staying
in the pocket on third down and reading it out
and making an accurate throw. So it's just kind of
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his body of work of what it's been. So he
has to use his feet. They have to have an
offense they can really do that to get him outside
the pocket where it's runner throw. He's such a dynamic athlete,
he's got a strong arm, he's a tremendous leader. He
just got to play into the strengths and trying to
minimize the weaknesses. And you know this week Buffalo really
you know, went after his weaknesses and did a great job.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
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Speaker 1 (52:01):
Okay, now comes the hard part Raiders Chargers in Vegas.
Speaker 2 (52:06):
Who wins?
Speaker 9 (52:08):
Well, Doug, I don't do predictions, all right, but the
big thing right now, does Brock Bauers player or not?
And my guess is if he plays, I don't I
don't know if he's going to be one hundred percent.
He's such a big part of that offense. You know,
he's one of their dynamic players. So I'm curious to
see what Chip Kelly does if rock Byers isn't one
hundred percent or doesn't play like, how are they going
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to how they're going to manage this? So the Raiders
that the question going in the year. With the Raiders
on defense with their secondary and against the Patriots, you
wouldn't have known the difference because their secondary play extremely well.
But this offense has a lot better receivers than the
Patriots do currently between the Conki and Keenan Allen, I
think it's gonna be a great test for the Raiders
DBS to see how they can hold up. They held
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up just fine against the Patriots. We'll see this week.
So but this is going to be fascinating just to
watch Justin Herbert and and and Gino Smith go at it.
But yeah, I've got this is just for me. I
got twelve years between these two teams, but eleven with
one team and one with the other. But I can't
do prediction.
Speaker 1 (53:08):
On this one, Tommy, great stuff, man. We're glad you
don't do predictions. We don't like them either. We know
you got to run.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
Appreciate you being our guest.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
Enjoy watching, enjoy watching two houses, one that you built
and then built and then built another one that you
had a piece of the building.
Speaker 2 (53:23):
Thanks for being our guests.
Speaker 9 (53:25):
You got it.
Speaker 2 (53:25):
Thanks Doug
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that it's not just that the Packers are two and oh,
that's just It's not just that, but it's also that
the Packers are two and O. I live in Green Bay, Wisconsin,
and I mean it is Indian summer eighty five outside,
not a cloud in the sky.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
It's amazing. I look. I know.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
This too shall pass, but until it does, we're gonna
enjoy the heck out.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Of it here in north north northeast Wisconsin. All Right.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
You know, I'm not gonna hurt myself patting myself on
the back, but I may hurt myself patting myself on
the back because I told you that this or we
asked the question all off season is this the year
the year that the league figures out how to actually
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beat the Chiefs? And I don't know if this will
be the entire year or if it's just the beginning
of a year in which people have There's been two
straight games. Now there's also been two straight games, and
this is kind of interesting. There's also been two straight
games where the Chiefs have been victims of the other
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side of officiating. For the last however many years, six
seven years, there's been the running conspiracy theory that and
you Reid Pat Mahomes, they must have pictures of somebody
because they get every call. And now you saw some
false starts that were not called against the defending champion
Philadelphia Eagles last week. There was what appeared to be
(02:12):
a pretty obvious hold on the game winning touchdown passed
from Justin Herbert, also not called. So the Chiefs fans
who have forever been annoying with the what do I
mean we get calls? Now they don't get calls two
weeks in a row, and you would you would think
we said the Lord's name in vain and game the finger.
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Here's Chris Jones, defensive lineman star for the Kansas Chiefs
on the no calls on false start.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
You know, sometimes can't get them all all the calls right,
and just because we see it.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Sometimes the official is fifteen to twenty feet away.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Sometimes it can miss those small things.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
And we think he jumped multiple times, so an official
didn't see it, so it wasn't call.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
And you know, we got to go play in this out.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Is that something you guys have seen on tape before
as you prepared.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
For this, Is that happened?
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Sometimes it happens. People jump all the time. It's just
you know, if the official see it, they'll call it.
I don't think they've seen it those few plays, and
we didn't get a call.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Okay, So that was on the Toush push. There were
two plays on the tush push where the Eagles appeared
to jump, and now one of them the eagle. The
Chiefs look like they jumped as well, but still wasn't called.
Wasn't called. And and I understand that you can use
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the old coach speak, you make your own luck, and
good teams get calls. Bad teams don't get calls. But
it is weird that how now they're right there on
you know, on the border and look there's other things
that went into loosing the game, but they don't get
those important calls. Two weeks in a row, I thought
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the it's not an indictment of Travis Kelcey, but it's
it's a play where you can go.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
God just he looked a little old on It was.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
The interception which I think Karen sort of into the
end zone right where Kelsey's open. It's at the end
of the third quarter. It was a magnificent drive by
the Chiefs. Fourteen plays. They get down right down there
and throw a little slant to Travis Kelcey, and it
just felt like he was what two three inches behind
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in terms of speed where he normally would be, and
so the ball was just it was in his reach,
but not perfectly in his reach. And then he had
it but didn't have it, and it bobbles up in
the air and it's like a Keystone Cops thing, and
suddenly the defense comes down with it, like that's an indictment.
That's what age looks like. You're not incapable of playing.
(04:56):
You're just not capable of doing all the things you
used to do consistently.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
And the things you.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Do you're gonna do just a little bit slower. I mean,
if you watch Aaron Rodgers yesterday, and obviously he's much
older than Travis Kelcey, but some of the same stuff
where you know, he looks young in the face. He
moves pretty well, but he's just not moving as well.
Here's Andy Ree when he was asked about the same
toush push fall starts.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
If guys are moving early, then you've got to you know,
you've got to call that. So they'll go back and
look at that and see what their what their evaluation is.
It could be different than mine mine. I felt like
the guys were moving, That's why I was griping about it,
you know, and on the sideline there, so it's, uh,
you know, sometimes people see things different. So we'll see
(05:40):
where it goes. They'll have a chance to evaluate it,
and I'll be curious to see what what the response is.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Yeah, I mean, look, I thought that was a very
measured way of saying it for a head coach. Here's
Nick Siriani. Always measured head coach the Eagles on those
complaints by the Chiefs about the toush.
Speaker 7 (05:59):
Push, and I fuss at the referees at times when
when I think it goes one way, and I would
expect them to do the exact same thing. So yeah,
it's just a good effort because you know, when you're
running that play, everyone knows you're running that play. So
there's something there's something pretty cool about being able to
execute a play when you know exactly what's coming. And
(06:20):
it just speaks to the volumes.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Of our guys.
Speaker 7 (06:23):
We work our butts off on it. First of all,
it's all about the guys, right, It's all about the
guys up front. The tight ends Jalen. The timing of
everything obviously won't get into all the things that we
do to prepare for it. But you know, it's not
an easy play to practice, but our guys do a
great job of simulating it as much as we possibly can.
(06:43):
You know, during practice, during walkthroughs, different things like that,
creativity by our coaches to find ways to do that.
As you can see, teams are going to do everything
they can possibly do to stop it, so you can see.
You know, some of the things won't get into that either.
I don't want give any other teams a clue to
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what they were doing, but you know, and we're prepared
for all those things and the guys are prepared for
all those things, but I think it always comes down
to those guys up front and Jailen. I've had a
lot of success with that play, and you know, we'll
continue to use it to our advantage.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
So my guess would be that from this point forward,
the league gets it and they're going to be super
tight with the fall start calls on the Eagles, much
like last year, this time there was the film out
on the Chiefs and their left tackle being essentially in
the backfield, and those were called a bunch in the
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rest of the season. But let's not let's not get
a twisted. Those are miss calls. Chiefs still could have
won the game. Ball was in Travis Kelsey's hand right
around the one yard line, and the ball bounced up,
caring up in the air and it got intercepted. Let's
let's not make excuses to know the Chiefs have been
(08:02):
in those close games for years and this is the
first year where two games in they're losing them. So
let's not mistake in ourselves into thinking that the reps
are the reason that the Chiefs are zero and two.
Some of it you make your own breaks, some of
it just the team that's better, will get a break
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or two. Some of it is at some point they
had to get a bad whistle with the officiating, and
then you factor in some of the injuries they've had, suspension,
they have a wide receiver, and.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
My question all year was all off season, was is
this the year that the league has caught up to
the Chiefs. They have the Giants on the road, the
Ravens at home, the Jaguars in the road, the Lions
at home, the Raiders at home, the Commanders at home.
So for the most part, you have your tougher teams Ravens, Lions,
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Commanders of the next six at home, which makes them winnable,
and the road games are winnable as well. But right now,
you just got to get one to get on the
board and get rolling, because with every loss, your probability
of making the playoffs decreases, and with every loss, suddenly
it will feel and probably become a reality that you
won't get as many calls.
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Speaker 1 (10:02):
We got a Monday night football preview Raiders Chargers.
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Going right now. Oh yeah, that'll be fun.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
But we do this every Monday and it's just a
way of one getting our opinion across, but two share
with you some insight into things that ticked us off
where it made us feel good.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
We call it love and hate.
Speaker 8 (10:22):
What did you love?
Speaker 2 (10:23):
God?
Speaker 9 (10:23):
I love you?
Speaker 8 (10:24):
And what did you hate?
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Meetle's player hay is.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Love love, love, love, love, hate, hate, hate, hate hate?
What'd you love? What'd you hate from the weekend? Pretty simple, right,
Let's start with you, Dan Byer, what'd you love from
the weekend?
Speaker 10 (10:43):
Doug?
Speaker 11 (10:43):
Mine is multi layered. What I love from the weekend
happened in Pittsburgh yesterday and here's a snapshot of what happens.
Speaker 12 (10:51):
Oh, let's go through the hands of Cane Johnson.
Speaker 8 (10:54):
He may have touched on bell.
Speaker 13 (10:55):
That would be a lot bell. Let's see what the
ruling is here.
Speaker 12 (11:00):
It is a touchdown.
Speaker 8 (11:02):
It's a touchdown.
Speaker 12 (11:04):
Oh Seattle gets the score going.
Speaker 11 (11:08):
On the field.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
The ball get in the landing zone.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
On a kickoff, somebody's got to cover it for the
receiving team.
Speaker 12 (11:16):
It was recovered by the kicking team in the Amazon.
Speaker 11 (11:19):
Touchdown completely changed the game in Saddle's favor. Yesterday, Caleb
Johnson with the air rookie Caleb Johnson, which some have
called a rookie mistake. That's what I also love about this.
But with this love, there's a bit of hate to it.
Fox TV Adam emin on the call there what I
heard and ad on social media. A lot of excuses
(11:42):
stuff made up. Can can't have a rookie back there,
rookie mistake, you know these new rules, can't have a
rookie back there. That doesn't apply to any of this,
absolutely none of it. It doesn't matter if you're a
rookie or you've spent twenty years in the NFL. You
need to know the room rules. And by the way,
the new rules really aren't that confusing. In this scenario,
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if the ball would have landed short of the goal
line and go into the end zone, say in twenty
twenty one, guess what, you have to hire it up. Yes,
so it's not a rookie mistake. The new rules may
make it confusing, but it's not. You can't have a
rookie back there. You got to have someone back there
that knows the rules. What you can have is someone
(12:26):
that doesn't know the rules. And Caleb Johnson didn't know
the rules. Tomlin pulled them on the next kickoff because
the Seahawks had to kick off again because they scored.
But change the game and the Seahawks got a much
needed win in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 13 (12:39):
And I hate to let the listeners too far beyond
the curtain. Harabit and Doug's note to us last night
of things that intrigued him most from the weekend. He
made the comment, and I think this was aimed at you, Dan,
did you feel any sense of revenge from the Super
Bowl twenty years ago? Yesterday?
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Oh?
Speaker 11 (13:00):
None, zero zilch. It was nice to get a win,
but nothing will ever make up for that travesty of
officiating in Detroit on that Sunday evening.
Speaker 10 (13:10):
Nothing, man, that was bad.
Speaker 12 (13:13):
That officiating in a Lions game.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
You know, Detroit either.
Speaker 12 (13:19):
Way, like still around the alliance.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
I'm not sure if I'm not sure if you're aware,
but Jerome Bettison's from Detroit.
Speaker 10 (13:25):
I heard about that. I wasn't sure.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Chris Purfett, that's out of the noise. He's Detroit's finest.
What'd you left from the weekend?
Speaker 12 (13:34):
I mean, is it too easy? I don't want to.
I know it's coming up on the show here. But
after a lot of hand ringing, after can the Lions
win without Ben Johnson, after getting shellacked by what is
looking to be an absolute wagon of a defense by
the Green Bay Packers, coming back and stepping up and
(13:55):
putting fifty two points on the Chicago Bears, is really
hard to uh to not love that. But I'm gonna
pick out one thing I love from the game. Some
Lions fans set up their own version of the Lambeau Leap.
You know, imitation is a serious form of flattery, things
of that nature, called the Lions leap Zone. On the
third I'm on raw Saint Brown touchdown of the game
(14:17):
really should have been the fourth. He got stopped like
one yard short of the goal line on a catch,
Amana Saint Brown goes into the stands perfect form ten
out of ten things of that nature. Jared Goff then
tries to follow him up there, and I don't know
if you've seen the video, Doug, but it is a
it's a struggle. It's it's definitely a dad trying to get,
(14:41):
you know, clamber over a fence. And it didn't go
well for Jared Goff, but in that moment, and you
could see on his face as like I probably bit
off more than I could chew.
Speaker 11 (14:52):
But it just tip GoF leap is the first like
auto correct it was.
Speaker 12 (14:58):
It was not. It didn't well for him, but it
was very fun and I love it.
Speaker 13 (15:03):
Jase, Thank you, Doug. I'll take it from here. I'll
tell you what I need to give credit where it's
due in this moment, Chris Purfet, credit to you for
actually reading my rundown. I'm not going to name any names,
but there are certain people that sit in his chair
every day and certain hosts of the show that often
(15:24):
just don't follow the rundown. And for Chris to just
give the courtesy that he understands that There is content
later in the show that just tells me that you're
reading the rundown, and I very much appreciate that because
I you know, I write these things out for a reason.
I'm gonna stick to the same game here, different angle.
I'm going to talk about Kayleb Williams. I love watching
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him struggle. I watch I love watching Ben Johnson get
infigurated by his mistakes. There are so many times when
you look at Ben Johnson, especially yesterday, and you can
just palpably see him wishing he had Jared Goff so
many mistakes, and I know a lot of people are
(16:08):
forgetting this, So I want to be the one guy
that keeps reminding people of this. Caleb Williams isn't just
a generational talent. Remember, he was going to be the
player that changed the way we did business in the NFL.
He was going to ask for ownership of the team
that drafted him. According to Seth Wickersham's recent book, he
tried to leverage uh It so that the Vikings could
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draft him, or just so that he could pick to
go to the Vikings and not have a draft like
he was going to be the one that changed the system. Remember,
and I want to keep reminding people of that this
isn't just your number one draft pick who wasn't doing well.
This was the next thing.
Speaker 10 (16:48):
Guys.
Speaker 11 (16:51):
Can I also add on to that because there's a
Ben Johnson point, by.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
The way, his love was, here's how much of a
hater Jason Stewart is. His love was actually really hate
being hate? Yes, right, that's really what.
Speaker 12 (17:03):
Don't we all love watching Caleb struggle? No am, I yes,
it's I at some point it's going to get old.
I just it feels bad. Sorry, go on.
Speaker 11 (17:13):
Well, what's frustrating to me actually with Caleb Williams is
when you do see glimpses of how good he could be,
and it's just not like channeled through the world of
an NFL quarterback. It's high school college quarterback. That's what's frustrating.
Like there, I think that the skills are right there,
you see all of them, but for it to not
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to work out is got to be increasingly frustrating if
you're a Bears fan. The other portion of this is
I think Bears fans are saying, gosh, you know, we
should we should have taken Jane Daniels. So that was
part of the takedown in ty Dunn's piece about the
Bears of haw Ryan Poles didn't do any pre draft diligence, Yeah,
and ripped Drake May like put all this, put all
(17:57):
of these lists of bad things that Drake May did
at quarterback because there was no way that they were
going to draft him. But the problem with that is
Ben Johnson had a chance to coach Jaden Daniels, but
he withdrew from the commander's search as the commanders were
coming to interview him when he was the Lions offensive coordinator.
They had the second overall pick. You knew at that
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point that they were going to take a quarterback. He
decided not to pull out as the commander's contingent was
on the way to Detroit to interview him and Aaron Glenn.
And then they end up hiring Dan Quinn, which right
now has been a pretty good hire and probably the
best hired there that hiring cycle.
Speaker 12 (18:36):
If I could add one last thing to this too,
it's that there was a lot of ink spilled over
the past calendar week about can Jared Goff succeed without
Ben Johnson or Sean McVay. And I think after that
game last night, I tried to make the joke this
can Ben Johnson succeed without Jared Goff. Didn't go over
so well with some people, But I.
Speaker 11 (18:58):
I think Detroit has set up better personnel wise. But
the whole hiring of Ben Jonson is to fix Caleb Williams,
and two games in we haven't seen it.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I'll tell you what I loved. Do you remember when
Rich Rodriguez last coached at West Virginia and he left
for Michigan. They were twenty they were twenty six point
favorite to take take take down our rival Pitt last
game of the year, backyard backyard brawl. They lost. He left,
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went to Michigan. By the way, this is same Rich
Rodriguez who turned down Alabama right turned down Alabama, went
to Michigan, it didn't work, got fired, went to Arizona
some limited success, then got fired Arizona, circled back and
ends up as head coach at West Virginia, come from
behind victory against Pitt in the backyard brawl. I don't
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know Rich Rod. I can't tell you if he's a
good dude, bad dude, or whatever. I have no idea.
What I do know is he's the He's considered the
godfather of running out of the spread offense. You go
back to his days at Tulane before he got to
West Virginia. Before that, it was all Mike Leach where
they would throw it, you know, with wide splits, and
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rich Rodriguez was the first to really run it out
of the spread. But more than anything, like, I just
I love the West Virginia Pittsburgh backyard brawl. That game
was pitt had complete momentum and West Virginia flipped it
ends up winning a game. Rich Rod kind of goes
happy crazy in the postgame interview and getting a chance to,
(20:37):
I don't know, to right his wrong or come back
and change the what it says on his tombstone in
West Virginia.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
I think it was pretty cool. Loved it.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Let's get there what we hated from the weekend. I'm
gonna start. I'll start with this as the premise. Two things. One,
Deshaun Foster's a friend of mine. He's a former teamate
of mine at Tustin High School when I was a senior.
He was a freshman basketball player. If I knew he's
gonna be a football star, So we do have a relationship.
He even came on with us. If you remember after
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the really odd start to his coaching career at media
days at the packed B Day's last year, do I
think they were They were.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Zero and three.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
They lost to New Mexico at home. It was looking
like a disaster. I'm not defending what the team looked like. Okay,
but do people understand UCLA's not even in school yet.
They don't start school until September twenty fifth. They're on
the quarter system. He got his quarterback late. They took
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the kid from Tennessee who tried to leverage Tennessee four
million dollars, ended up getting a million at UCLA and
looks like he's worth a buck fifty. Okay, So some
of this is in selection and somebody is the fact
he wasn't their first choice and they around and he
was going to be a running backs coach with the Raiders,
I believe, and then they brought him back to being
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the head coach. That is all moderate UCLA, and it's
not easy, but one season in three games and that's it.
And do you guys know that every one of their
players for the next thirty days can get into the
portal And oh yeah, by the way because they haven't
started school. Now, the schools they would have to leave
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and go to would have to have space and the
ability to get them into school. But you could lose
your whole football team.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Lose your whole football team.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I don't know how long you're supposed to be given
in the college football process at the Power four level.
I understand that, but I can tell you that that
hits every under And it's not like DeShawn has personal problems.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
He doesn't.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
He's a good man, a good husband, a good father,
a good coach. Was it too big a job too soon?
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Maybe?
Speaker 1 (22:57):
You know, But part of it was Chip Kelly left
to take an offensive coordator position because he didn't believe
you could win there, and a Shawn has proven right
now you can't win there. I just I you know,
I know Virginia Tech fired their coach. You're talking them,
what three games in to his fourth season?
Speaker 2 (23:15):
But why are you.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Firing coaches three games in? Like what is the point? Like, well,
they might turn around, they might win a bunch of games. Okay,
you can still fire them at the end of the season.
But you know you don't do you don't put all
your players up in the air in this turmoil where
they can get you, they can leave. Every agent, every
coach in the country's reached out to them.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
You don't do that. Let them coach the season.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
If you want to fire them after the season, fire
after the season, it's your right to do so.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Then you pay him to walk away.
Speaker 13 (23:42):
I just hate this now, Doug. I know he's your buddy,
or at least you went to high school with them
and stuff, and I have a very casual interest in
college football, so I come.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
By the way you say, he's also in the conversation
of worst college football job in the country.
Speaker 13 (23:54):
But go ahead, well, okay, and if that's the case,
that's the case. But I just wish that there was
some kind of an indicator, early indicator that maybe this
wasn't gonna work out.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
UCLA and a Big Ten.
Speaker 14 (24:08):
Where a school that's won what one hundred and twenty
three championships, so this fits us being right in this
conference football wise, which is excited. You know, I'm sure
you guys don't know too much about UCLA but our
football program, but we're in LA.
Speaker 13 (24:27):
If only there was like an early indicator that he.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
It was it wasn't, it wasn't great. It wasn't even good.
And it was funny, but it wasn't. Yeah, that wasn't great.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Was it great? Feel bad for my guy? Anyway?
Speaker 1 (24:47):
All right, Jace, you're a resident hater. You love, you hate?
Speaker 2 (24:50):
What do you hate?
Speaker 13 (24:53):
I'm gonna I'm gonna offer you guys up two words.
It's actually one word and one number to be exact.
Free four free four is what I hate. Travis Kelcey
and his teammates thought it would be a smart idea
to arrive in T shirts and work out in T
shirts with that read free four. Now the background there
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is that Roshie Rice, former I want to say, first
round draft pick receiver of the Chiefs, had agreed to
be suspended for six games by the NFL this season
after pleading guilty too felony charges. He was the driver
in a hit and run that took out several cars
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on a freeway where he was driving recklessly. There were
reports of guns. Somehow that gun charge went away in
the process of the police. That is open for I
guess to debate dispute. Why would gun charges go away?
He received exactly zero jail time. Instead, he is not
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going to be able to play the first six weeks
of the chief season. Where does Free four come in?
He is free, he's not in prison. The only reason
he's not in prison is because he's a member of
the Kansas City Chiefs. If he's just normal Joe schmol
in the streets, he recklessly drove into cars at a
high speed and fled the scene, and there were guns.
(26:25):
Not sure where that went, not sure that went, but
I will say you got off pretty easy, Chiefs. Free
four just seems very uh. I don't know, blind Am
I missing something?
Speaker 10 (26:38):
Dan Byr No, I don't think that you are. But
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 11 (26:42):
I've got Andy Reid here talking about those T shirts,
and it sounds like he may be missing something. We
may have to pop the music down a little bit, Chris,
just to hear this. But here's Andy Reid.
Speaker 6 (26:51):
I've seen it, sense, I didn't see it then, but
I would tell you. I know these guys love Rashie
and they feel form sitting out here, you know, and
and so it's I think it's no more than that.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Man.
Speaker 10 (27:06):
I just.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
I'm sorry, Sam. I just think that those guys, they
they they love the kid and want them to feel
part of it in their own way. I really don't
think it's anything more in that sound.
Speaker 13 (27:23):
I mean, how moronic is this?
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Doug crazy? I mean, it's again just.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
When you live in your own kind of athlete bubble
is probably my only way in which I could sort
of understand it. But when I was like, like, that's
not the world hasn't done for she Rice?
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Wrong? Right, she Rice?
Speaker 1 (27:44):
The only reason he's not in jail is because he's
a member of the Kansas Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Iright, we're all.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
And if only there was video of it too, Yeah,
there was a video of it, So I just it's
I'd like to feel bad for the Chiefs for not
getting those two false start calls on the tush push.
I would you know, I don't. I'm not a big
Eagles guy. Everybody knows that. I think no one really
outside of Eagles fans or big Eagles people. But like,
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what do you like free four? This is not like
he was incarcerated for a crime he didn't commit. He
suspended for football, and that's probably the most lenient punishment
he could get.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
I have zero sympathy for the Chiefs for that.
Speaker 11 (28:29):
I will also say, and I think that Andy Reid's
the SoundBite was interesting because it was a couple of
years ago, prior to the Super Bowl, where Andy Reid's
son Yep, was involved in a traffic accident driving under
the influence and severely injured a young child. And there's
not much difference in the two things to see. I
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was curious on his perspective of it. Says obviously you
heard he didn't know that they were wearing the shirts,
But I thought that his angle was an interesting ang a.
I was just curious to hear what his opinion was.
He said it didn't go too deep, and I sided
with Jason.
Speaker 12 (29:09):
Last part is the important part, to be honest, well,
real quick, I hate going after Jason on these because
now I feel like I'm trying to bring it back
to a lighter tone on the hate rather than you know,
everything goes.
Speaker 10 (29:24):
Chris.
Speaker 12 (29:27):
I've never been a fan of arch Manning I am.
I've had questions about how vaunted he's been. If he
was named Archi Johnson, we wouldn't be talking about him
this way. I had questions about him getting annointed the
first overall pick and a Heisman favorite after barely any
time last year, and I kind of don't understand the
obsession with him right now. But what I hate isn't
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arch Manning himself. So arch Manning has the second game,
and it's just I think what I hate is the
amount of people who have, like who were believing in
arch Manning, like someone like Paul fine Bomb who just
declares himself completely off arch Manning after two games, like
there's just no there's no conviction in this anymore. I
just ask that people be honest about it. I don't
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want you putting up your finger seeing which way the
wind is blowing and then immediately jumping off. And again,
I haven't really believed in arch Manning from the start,
but if you believe in arch Manning, you should probably
give him more than two games instead of just doing
this flip flop, whimsy washy thing. It's enraging because it's
not fair to arch Manning at that point either, like
suddenly you go from being his biggest advocate to just like, nope,
(30:31):
I'm done. He's not gonna be good for the rest
of the season. I don't get him.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Well, here's the bigger part prefet that I I actually
would agree with you on, which is it's not just
that they're jumping ship. It's that they didn't know what
they were talking about to begin with.
Speaker 12 (30:46):
Yes, yeah, like again, we had very little to work
with with Arch Manning. You anointed him so quickly, which
was always my concern, but now very almost as quickly,
you're just ripping the crown away and running for the hills.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Yeah, it's but even even deeper than that, you're Paul
fine Bomb right, And I I had a buddy actually
this weekend, older gentleman who is like, hey, does fine
Bomb know what he's talking about? And I was like, well,
generally I don't think the answer is yes. But he's
been working in the SEC long enough that if he calls,
they'll pick up the phone.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
So the fact is that he obviously.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Didn't call, didn't ask anybody, so he had no idea
that you know, where Arch was in his development or
that he might struggle. So so if anything, he should
be self critical and go, hey, that's on me.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
I didn't do any research.
Speaker 11 (31:35):
I'll buy everyone's stock if they want to sell, because
I am. I'm still and I think it's still absolutely one.
I think Chris's line, I know I didn't mean this,
but I do want to address the people, say if
if his name was Arch Johnson. No, that's one of
the reasons why it's not. It's not a it's not
an advantage. It's in an NFL world of wanting to
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know as much as you possibly can about some one
and a player to know that there. He comes from
a football family that has developed one and possibly two
Hall of Fame quarterbacks within that family tree, and his
grandfather was a quarterback in the NFL as well. Sorry,
I think that helps you. I just say I think
that it does, and there's added pressure that comes with that,
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But I think that's I think that's a big part of.
Speaker 10 (32:26):
Who he is.
Speaker 11 (32:27):
I feel like the last name isn't Manning is kind
of a weird shot that sometimes people.
Speaker 10 (32:34):
Take at him.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Dan, you gotta hate go for it.
Speaker 10 (32:37):
Did you guys see Ken Rosenthal over the weekend? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:40):
What was that about?
Speaker 11 (32:42):
Mean mugging Ken Rosenthal? This is tough his Fox Sports.
But the video of him after the dousing after the
Brewers win a comeback win on Saturday night where he
knocked over a photog trying to get a picture and
then standing over him not a good look. Not a
good look at all. And then I heard Ken's apology
(33:04):
today and it just didn't resonate with me, did not.
Hint Holm felt that it was a bit contrived and
that he downplayed it. I yeah, I'm not a fan
of that at all. Didn't like that.
Speaker 13 (33:16):
I saw the apology as well. I just don't think
that Ken quite understands how viciously he looked at the guy,
and like all of us are thinking, Okay, that's the
Ken Rosenthal, like in those moments, that's him.
Speaker 10 (33:33):
He was right, He was.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Right, especially because and here's what happens, okay, fairly unfairly right.
Like his job as side of the reporter is that's
always kind of something light and something fun and hey,
like I'm part of the cool guy thing or whatever.
And then when you see that moment, it is doubly
bad because now you can't every sort of light interaction
(33:55):
that he has an interview appears to be completely phony.
Speaker 13 (33:59):
Exactly, he's literally looking down on the guy, and he's
figuratively looking down his nose at the guy. I did
like Aj Prazinski's summary of the event says, it looked
like I'll lee looking down at listen. That was exactly
the way it looked.
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out at least three months with a turf toe injury.
Here's Zach Taylor, head coach of CINCINNTI Bengals, talked about
the win yesterday and how much the fans of the
Bengals helped it.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (34:59):
I looked up as we had the final turnover, they
returned to ten and our crowd started this. This crowd
was outstanding today. They gave us a huge advantage. I
did see people leaving thinking it was over.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
It.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Don't blame them.
Speaker 5 (35:09):
We just threw a pick on the ten yard line
and all our defensive was rise up, get four stops
and we go ninety something yards to win the game
and trust me, I don't I don't blame anybody. The
overall performance today wasn't what our standard is and what
we want. And I mean and I asked our fans
to start off this game hot, and they started off hot.
I mean, that was the standard you set in a
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home opener from a fan base in terms of being
in their seats when I ask, I appreciated that, making
life really difficult, difficult. They had to burn an early
time out just like we had last week because of
the crowd noise, and you could hear them throughout, and
we just got to do a better job not having
to come back in the last two minutes of the game,
putting ourselves in a better position. But again, proud and
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everybody will learn from this and know that the Bengals
are never out of it and we're going to We're
gonna continue to find a way to win.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Okay, So Jake Brown would be the quarterback for the
time being. You know, three months is twelve weeks whatever.
That's a lot of football games. They go to Minnesota,
to Denver home versus the Lions, then to Green Bay. Yikes,
that is a tough tough schedule. The back end of
their schedule. You know, last three games are Dolphins, Cardinals, Browns.
(36:16):
So if he's back and they need a couple of wins,
it's not crazy. You think he could get that done,
but unlikely. Speaking of the Vikings game, right, Tom Tellsco
is going to join us, I'm gonna ask him about
turf toe. He's dealt with it all twelve years as
a general manager. But as much as Jake Browning is
the starting quarterback for the Bengals, causing.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
A lot of people to go like, whooh yeh.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio, and
I consider our show really lucky to have Tom Telesco
as a weekly guest, not even thinking about the fact
that Week two is the Telasco Bowl on Monday Night football.
Speaker 11 (36:53):
Right.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Two teams that he built, the Raiders where he walked
into a project which was kind of half completed, then
he walked out when it was sort of half completed, right,
and the Chargers that he built several times over into
a winner. He's Tom Telesco, he's the former general manager
of the Chargers and the Raiders, and he's our guest
here weekly on the Doug Gottlieb show on Fox Sports Radio.
(37:16):
Have you thought about what tonight's gonna be like with
that game on TV?
Speaker 9 (37:20):
Yeah, I'll tell you what. I will say that the
Raiders are definitely We're not half completed by me. I
was only there for a year. But the Chargers, you know,
eleven years as a GM, so I just know so
many people there. Still know a good amount of the players,
even though they've they've made some pretty good additions since then.
But it's gonna be really interesting because I just know
both teams really really well and washing and play against themselves.
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So yeah, it's gonna be a little bit strange. I
will say I was just looking at the game, like
the Chargers defense is like this kind of goes under
the radar, I think a little bit because of Justin Herbert.
But they're doing a great job on that side of
the ball. They're just out in the middle and they
got Derwin James and Dan Henley kind of rangey both
(38:04):
both run and past. So it's gonna be a really
interesting games tonight.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Yeah, it will be very very interesting. We'll circle back
to the game in a second. Have you ever had
one of your top players? I mean, you had so
many things you've been through as GM, and then you
go back to your time in India and have you
ever had a guy, have a high level player have
turf tows.
Speaker 9 (38:28):
It's not coming to mind. And believe me, at a
GM like you, you spend a lot of time with
your team doctors during the season. Price spend more time
with them by far than even the college scouts. It's
a common injury. It wasn't really common for quarterbacks. It's
more common for field position players, receivers, dbs and sometimes
a combo player, a linebacker, running back. But I don't remember,
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and I'm sure we have. But what I do know
because I know we had some grade one and grade two.
The grade three is pretty significant. So you're looking at
surgery and I know they're saying twelve weeks, but I
mean that's that's if everything goes perfect, which I don't.
I just don't. To me, they have to get ready
for Jake Brian to finish the season as the quarterback.
I don't know if it's realistic, but this type of
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injury and the surgery and then how you have to
play with it. He'll be fine, Joe Burrow, He'll be
fine in the end, he'll be one hundred percent next year,
but for this year, it's an extremely difficult just to
be able to plant and throw with that injury. But
I can't remember very many great threes, but I do remember,
you know, we've had great ones of great twos, and
the question was always if you do get to a
greade three, then that's significant, and the grade one great
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two you can kind of manage a little bit. I
think Philip Rivers had some sort of turf toe at
some point of my career there, but it was something
he could always kind of manage through, whether it's you
can put it like a steel shank in your shoe
just to kind of limit the mobility of the toe,
sometimes getting an injection and kind of play through it.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
If you're the Bengals and this is a position you
have been in, rightquarterback goes down, you got Jake Browning,
And for those of us are old enough to remember,
like Jake Browning was like maybe the top two or
three prospects in the country before he went to college, right,
and so I mean he's a backup.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
What do you add?
Speaker 1 (40:15):
And and again let me I I don't need to
add my thoughts because you've been in this position. Okay,
quarterback goes down, starting quarterback goes down, you got a backup.
Now you got to add one. Take me through, like today,
you walk into the office and what's the discussion, Like, well.
Speaker 9 (40:32):
I mean, for the first discussion, is that Jake brown
the one that we're gonna go with for the rest
of the year, And in this particular situation, they answered
absolutely yes. You know, he's not a big name, but
he's a he's a big name in NFL circles. I mean,
he's played well in Joe's absence. He's got great pocket poise,
and he's really really accurate. And the fact that he's
already played a good amount of snaps for the Bengals
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and for Zach Taylor leads you that, hey, this is
the guy that we're going to go with moving forward.
In they'de a lot of investments at receiver and tight
end and those guys are gonna have to step up
and raise their level of play. Two for the quarterback position.
So in the second part for the front office, okay,
well we need another backup, because God forbid something happens
to Jake Browning, we have to have somewhere to go
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and probably you know, the Bengals are a good team.
Preferably you'd like to have a veteran that could be
the backup. Right now is just you know, there's just
not The pool right now is obviously very small because
you don't what you don't want to have to do
is shake Briant gets hurt in your season completely over.
But unfortunately for money, once you get to your third quarterback,
it's going to be extremely difficult. So right now it's
(41:39):
about trying and find the right third quarterback. And usually
at this time of the year, you prefer that quarterback
has some familiarity either with your coordinator slash head coach
or has some familiarity with the type of offense that
you run, because you may have to player the later.
You just never know. So that's the discussion today, is Okay,
who's now the backup? Is he currently on our practice
squad or is he someone that we to go outside
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the team to go get.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Okay, well help me out here. Okay, So Dan Pitcher
is the offensive four dator for the Bengals, you know,
and so what is what's his kind of family tree?
Like who what offense is that? Like where you can
find somebody with familiarity towards it.
Speaker 9 (42:22):
Well, Dan's been there a long time. Actually, Dan Pitcher
worked in our scouting department and when I was with
the Coole and then he transitioned into coaching after that
and he vote the Bengals for a long time. So
he's been there with Zach Taylor. He's been there with
Brian Callahan who was there. So if there's someone from
the Callahan tree that's available, you know, maybe that's somebody
they take a look at. But Dan's a really sharp
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coach and he's gonna have to get whatever the quarterback is.
Even with the familiarity, he's gonna have to get them
up the speed as quickly as possible. And look, it
could be something where that we just promote a quarterback
from our practice squad initially and that player throws us
the backup as we go through our process to make
sure we add the right quarterback at the backup. It
doesn't have to be by tomorrow, you know, it could
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be by next week or the week after to find
the right guy. Because they do have quarterbacks on them,
they have at least one on the practice squad.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
So well, I ask you, because like Kirk Cousins. Does
that work?
Speaker 9 (43:16):
I don't think that works, just because they have the
starter right now who they feel good about. So I
don't think you'd be looking to make a trade for
Kirk Cousins to come in your backup at this point.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Stut Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. That's the voice
of Tom to lescou He's he was the general manager
of the Chargers for eleven years, with the Raiders for
a year, and he's kind of to spend some time
this year on a weekly basis on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
is the is the Dolphins? Are the Dolphins fixable?
Speaker 9 (43:49):
Well, this is a good news. I thought the offense
was much better from Week one to Week two, so
you've got that to hang your hat on. You you
saw improvement with two and with the offense in general.
To me, the bigger issue was the Patriots don't have
a premier offense yet and the Dolphins defense really struggles
for the second straight week. So that's the issue right now,
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and it's going to take everybody, you know, including you know,
leadership from the head coach and then really the assistant
coaches putting a plan together, a scheme together on both
sides to try and make some improvements because it's tough.
I mean, it's tough for any team to go in
to start a year zero to two. It's such a
long offseason. There's so much hope with every organization going
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into the season, and we don't play well right off
the bat. It takes a lot of leadership, both with
the coaching staff and in the locker room to kind
of overcome that which they can, which they definitely can,
but it's gonna take a lot of work moving forward.
But the good thing is that I saw some better
signs on offense, especially in the passing game, that they
got better from Week one to week two.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
The Kansas City Chiefs, they lose again at home end
of the third quarter.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
Travis Kelce he drops the ball.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
You know, Mahomes sort of led him a little bit,
but I mean he hit him in the hands and
he bumbles it and he gets intercepted. Uh what was
that was the pass off or was that a sign
of Kelsey losing a half step and that's why he
was behind with that ball actually ended up?
Speaker 9 (45:20):
I mean, it's hard to say. I mean it was
such a fluky play. So unfortunately, those plays happened. But
to me, the bigger thing was that the Chiefs last
couple of years, they've had an outstanding defense and then
Mahome has made a lot of plays on offense. They've
had enough on offense to win, but it's really been
a defensive team. So in Week one against the Chargers,
a little uncare characteristic of how they performed. But the
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defense rebounded this week. I thought they looked much better,
got some pressure, you know, played the run pretty well.
So that was that was great, but the problem the
offense just didn't have any juice again, and you know,
the the running game just hasn't he had never been
a focal point of the chart of the of the Chiefs,
but they're not getting a lot there that you know,
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both tackle spots struggled last year and it's kind of
continuing on this year. And the Eagles really challenged the tackles.
They got a lot of one on ones and they
won a lot of the one on ones. And Eagles
played a lot of man coverage and forced the receivers
the char of the Chiefs to win and they didn't
win that much. So, you know, the good news for
the Chiefs is, look this offense is not a lot
different than last year's and you know they'll get They'll
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get Rice back soon, Rachi right back soon. They made
a Super Bowl with this type of offense. But the
margin for errors is a lot smaller right now. But
the defense had to keep coming along, keep playing the
way that they need to play. But offensively, they just
have a lot of holes right now that are just
really being focused on more so this year than other years.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
The the Steelers have some holes as well. A team
that's put together kind of win now, and they really
struggled offensively against the Seahawks.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
What issues did you see?
Speaker 9 (46:59):
Well, I mean some of the same things that that
showed up in Week one. It's just like each week
is just you know, week to week, depending on your opponent,
depending on your opponent's strengths and weaknesses are different, and
it only take a little couple of little things and
you have, you know, a special teams are that gives
up points.
Speaker 10 (47:14):
It kills you.
Speaker 9 (47:16):
Aaron Ryders still made some throws, some very good throws.
But when when you get pressure on an older quarterback
who used to be mobile, who's just not mobile anymore,
it makes for a difficult time. And that's why past
protection for them is going to be key this year
because if you can give Aaron Rodgers some time, he
can still throw it. He gets the ball out quick
you know, he knows where to go with the football
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obviously and process quickly. But you know the rest of
the offense, as far as the run game, pass protection,
you know, that didn't wasn't where it needed to be
this week. It wasn't where it needed to be in
Week one either, And then the thing that thought they'd
be able to rely on is the defense. The defense
is really strong and that's still coming along. So this
is one of those things. I think the defense will
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kind of come back to where it needs to be
as you get the week three and four. I think
they're much better than how they're playing. Picemith getting hurt
is not gonna help, but luckily it's not season ending.
But this is one where the defense really needs to
step up as well.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
JJ McCarthy struggled. Now obviously, first game, struggled in the
first half. Some of the second half. They put it together.
They win a game this week. It's just it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
Great, right.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
What did the what the Falcons do to confuse the
rookie or second year player, but first year starting.
Speaker 9 (48:31):
Yeah, I don't know if there's so much confusion. I
actually saw. I know he didn't play great. I know
the numbers weren't weren't good, but I did see some
positives from McCarthy because he does show and it's not
consistent yet, but he does show the ability to be
in the pocket, progress through his reads and anticipate and
make make throws. Now, one of the bigger issues right
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now for Minnesota is Christian Darrisa is not playing left
tackle because he's hurt. So they had justin school in
the game and he got hurt to their third tackle
was in the game. The starting center Ryan Kelly went
out with an injury, so he had a lot of
pressure early. The Falcons did a great job on the
edges getting pressure, which is something that we've been saying
(49:14):
for years, like will they ever add you know, pass
rush help, will they ever add edge help. It was
funny every year in the draft, I thought there was
a number one need and they always win in a
different direction, including when they draft the Pennix. But this
year they went out and you know, first two picks
or pass rushers and those two guys are playing well,
so they got a lot of pressure on McCarthy. But
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I still saw some positives in McCarthy's play. But it's
just going to be a process with them. I mean,
especially a rookie quarterback. He's seeing everything for the first time.
The defensive line is not quite as strong now as
it was last years Sam Darnold, and that's really due
to injury. It will get back to where it was,
so that's going to help them. But yeah, that was
that was a tough watch last night, and that's kind
of the you know, the life of the rookie quarterback.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
What do NFL people think about the Colts new owner
on the sideline listening to the play calls taking notes.
Speaker 9 (50:07):
Well, I think from the Colts standpoint, they're just used
to it because she's been doing that for a number
of years, all the way back to when Frank Rich
was there. So for them, it's it's just it's part
of their process. So I think if you're a player
head coach, you know, if you're secure enough in what
you do, I wouldn't even be concerned about it, wouldn't
be worried about it. So is it different and unique? Yeah?
Speaker 12 (50:27):
It is.
Speaker 9 (50:28):
But that's one of the great things about the Colts.
They do some things outside the box. And that's your
versary legacy right there, of just trying to think outside
the box and do some different things. So but like
I said, she's been doing that for so long, it's uh,
you know, for them, it's just second mature.
Speaker 1 (50:44):
What what tack happened to? Justin fields? I mean again,
you talked about Pittsburgh's defense. He looked great last week.
I mean, really, really, what was it? What the Bills do?
Speaker 9 (50:56):
I don't it's I don't use anything Buffalo did. I
just think it's you know what the type a player
that susin fields is. I mean, I know he made
some throws in Week one, but if you look at
the whole body of work over the course of his career,
you know, he's never really been a sit in the
pocket it's third and twelve and be able to convert
those at a high percentage. You know, he's more of
a you know throw Some of our pos use his
(51:17):
feat us his feat the scramble. He used to seat
the scramble to throw, not always the run. But then
if he runs, he's a dynamic runner. But you know,
what's kind of cut up with him with in Chicago
and Pittsburgh is just, you know, is that traditional staying
in the pocket on third down and reading it out
and making an accurate throw. So it's just kind of
(51:38):
his body of work of what it's been. So he
has to use his feet. They have to have an
offense they can really do that to get him outside
the pocket where it's runner throw. He's such a dynamic athlete,
he's got a strong arm, he's a tremendous leader. He
just got to play into the strengths and trying to
minimize the weaknesses. And you know this week Buffalo really
you know, went after his weaknesses and did a great job.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
Leap shure here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
Okay, now comes the hard part Raiders Chargers in Vegas.
Speaker 2 (52:06):
Who wins?
Speaker 9 (52:08):
Well, Doug, I don't do predictions, all right, but the
big thing right now, does Brock Bauers player or not?
And my guess is if he plays, I don't I
don't know if he's going to be one hundred percent.
He's such a big part of that offense. You know,
he's one of their dynamic players. So I'm curious to
see what Chip Kelly does if rock Byers isn't one
hundred percent or doesn't play like, how are they going
(52:29):
to how they're going to manage this? So the Raiders
that the question going in the year. With the Raiders
on defense with their secondary and against the Patriots, you
wouldn't have known the difference because their secondary play extremely well.
But this offense has a lot better receivers than the
Patriots do currently between the Conki and Keenan Allen, I
think it's gonna be a great test for the Raiders
DBS to see how they can hold up. They held
(52:51):
up just fine against the Patriots. We'll see this week.
So but this is going to be fascinating just to
watch Justin Herbert and and and Gino Smith go at it.
But yeah, I've got this is just for me. I
got twelve years between these two teams, but eleven with
one team and one with the other. But I can't
do prediction.
Speaker 1 (53:08):
On this one, Tommy, great stuff, man. We're glad you
don't do predictions. We don't like them either. We know
you got to run.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
Appreciate you being our guest.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
Enjoy watching, enjoy watching two houses, one that you built
and then built and then built another one that you
had a piece of the building.
Speaker 2 (53:23):
Thanks for being our guests.
Speaker 9 (53:25):
You got it.
Speaker 2 (53:25):
Thanks Doug
Host
Doug Gottlieb
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