September 15, 2025 • 37 mins
Doug talks about the now 0-2 Chiefs and how the Eagles were able to beat them again. Doug weighs in on Joe Burrow's injury and the Bengals. Doug welcomes former Chargers/Raiders GM Tom Telesco onto the show to discuss the Chargers-Raiders game, the Chiefs and all of the headlines around the NFL. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of Big Deal, Little Deal or No Deal?".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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a great day. It is a Monday. I will tell
you that it's not just that the Packers are two
and oh, that that's just It's not just that, but
it's also that the Packers are two and O. I
live in Green Bay, Wisconsin, and I mean it is
Indian summer eighty five outside, not a cloud in the sky.
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It's amazing. I look. I know this too shall pass,
but until it does, we're gonna enjoy the heck out
of it here in northeast north Northeast Wisconsin. All Right,
you know, I'm not gonna hurt myself patting myself on
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the back, but I may hurt myself patting myself on
the back because I told you that this or we
asked the question all off season is this the year
the year that the league figures out how to actually
beat the Chiefs? And I don't know if this will
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be the entire year or if it's just the beginning
of a year in which people have There's been two
straight games. Now there's also been two straight games, and
this is kind of interesting. There's also been two straight
games where the Chiefs have been victims of the other
side of officiating. For the last however many years, six
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seven years, there's been the running conspiracy theory that and
you Reid Pat Mahomes, they must have pictures of some
because they get every call. And now you saw some
false starts that were not called against the defending champion
Philadelphia Eagles last week. There was what appeared to be
a pretty obvious hold on the game winning touchdown passed
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from Justin Herbert, also not called. So the Chiefs fans
who have forever been annoying with the what do I
mean we get calls? Now they don't get calls two
weeks in a row, and you would you would think
we said the Lord's name in vain and game the finger.
Here's Chris Jones, defensive lineman star for the Kansas Chiefs,
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on the no calls on false start.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
You know, sometimes can't get them all all the calls right,
and just because we see it. Sometimes the official is
fifteen to twenty feet away. Sometimes it can miss those
small things. And we think he jumped multiple times, so
an official didn't see it, so it wasn't call, and
you know, we just got to go play it in
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this out.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Is that something you guys have seen on tape before
as you prepared for this, Is that happened?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Sometimes it happens. People jump all the time. It's just
you know, if the official see it, they'll call it.
I don't think they've seen it those few plays, and
we didn't get a call.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Okay, So that was on the toush push. There were
two plays on the tush push where the Eagles appeared
to jump, and now one of them the eagle. The
Chiefs look like they jumped as well, but still wasn't called.
Wasn't called. And and I understand that you can use
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the old coach speak, you make your own luck, and
good teams get calls. Bad teams don't get calls. But
it is weird that how now they're right there on
you know, on the border and look there's other things
that went into loosing the game, but they don't get
those important calls. Two weeks in a row, I thought
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the it's not an indictment of Travis Kelcey, but it's
a play where you can go God, just he looked
a little old on It was the interception which I
think Karen sort of into the end zone right where
Kelsey's open. It's at the end of the third quarter.
It was a magnificent drive by the Chiefs. Fourteen plays.
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They get down right down there and throw a little
slant to Travis Kelcey, and it just felt like he
was what two three inches behind in terms of speed
where he normally would be, and so the ball was
just it was in his reach, but not perfectly in
his reach. And then he had it but didn't have it,
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and it bobbles up in the air and it's like
a Keystone Cops thing, and suddenly the defense comes down
with it, like that's an indictment. That's what age looks like.
You're not incapable of playing. You're just not capable of
doing all the things you used to do consistently. And
the things you do you're gonna do just a little
bit slower. I mean, if you watch Aaron Rodgers yesterday,
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and obviously he's much older than Travis Kelcey, but some
of the same stuff where you know, he looks young
in the face. He moves pretty well, but he's just
not moving as well. Here's Andy Ree when he was
asked about the same toush push fall starts.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
If guys are moving early, then you've got to you know,
you've got to call that. So they'll go back and
look at that and see what their what their evaluation is.
It could be different than mine mine. I felt like
the guys were moving, That's why I was griping about it,
you know, and on the sideline there, So it's, uh,
you know, sometimes people see things different. So we'll see
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where it goes. They'll have a chance to evaluate it,
and I'll be curious to see what what the response is.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yeah, I mean, look, I thought that was a very
measured way of saying it for a head coach. Here's
Nick Siriani. Always measured head coach the Eagles on those
complaints by the Chiefs about the toush push.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
So I us at the referees at times when I
when I think it goes one way, and I would
expect them to do the exact same thing. So yeah,
it's just a good effort because you know, when you're
running that play, everyone knows you're running that play. So
there's something there's something pretty cool about being able to
execute a play when you know exactly what's coming. And
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it just speaks to the volumes.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Of our guys.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
We work our butts off on it. First of all,
it's all about the guys, right, It's all about the
guys up front, the tight ends Jalen, the timing of everything.
Obviously won't get into all the things that we do
to prepare for it, but you know, it's not an
easy play to practice, but our guys do a great
job of simulating it as much as we possibly can.
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You know, during practice, during walkthroughs, different things like that,
creativity by our coaches to find ways to do that.
As you can see, teams are going to do everything
they can possibly do to stop it, so you can see, you.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Know, some of the things.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
I won't get into that either, I don't want give
them any other team's acclude to what they were doing,
but you know, and we're prepared for all those things
and the guys are prepared for all those things, but
I think it always comes down to those guys up
front and Jailen. I've had a lot of success with
that play, and you know, we'll continue to use it
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to our advantage.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
So my guess would be that from this point forward,
the league gets it and they're going to be super
tight with the fall start calls on the Eagles, much
like last year, this time there was the film out
on the Chiefs and their left tackle being essentially in
the backfield, and those were called a bunch in in
the rest of the season. But let's not let's not
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get a twisted. Those are miss calls. Chiefs still could
have won the game. Ball was in Travis Kelsey's hand
right around the one yard line, and the ball bounced up,
caring up in the air and it got intercepted. Let's
let's not make excuses to know the Chiefs have been
in those close games for years and this is the
first year where year two games in they're losing them.
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So let's not mistake in ourselves into thinking that the
reps are the reason that the Chiefs are zero and two.
Some of it you make your own breaks, some of
it just the team that's better will get a break
or two. Some of it is at some point they
had to get a bad whistle with the officiating, and
then you factor in some of the injuries they've had, suspension,
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they have a wide receiver, and I don't know. My
question all year was all off season, was is this
the year that the league has caught up to the Chiefs.
They have the Giants on the road, the Ravens at home,
the Jaguars in the road, the Lions at home, the
Raiders at home, the Commanders at home. So for the
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most part, you have your tougher teams Ravens, Lions, Commanders
of the next six at home, which makes them win,
and the road games are winnable as well. But right now,
you just got to get one, to get on the
board and get rolling, because with every loss, your probability
of making the playoffs decreases, and with every loss, suddenly
it will feel and probably become a reality that you
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won't get as many calls.
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at least three months with a turf toe injury. Here's
Zach Taylor, head coach of CINCINNTI Bengals, talked about the
win yesterday and how much the fans of the Bengals helped.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
It looked up as we had the final turnover, they
returned to ten and our crowd started this. This crowd
was outstanding today. They gave us a huge advantage. I
did see people leaving thinking it was over it.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Don't blame them.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
We just threw a pick on the ten yard line
and all our defensives rise up, get four stops, and
we go ninety something yards to win the game. And
trust me, I don't I don't blame anybody. The overall
performance today wasn't what our standard is and what we want.
And I mean and I asked our fans to start
off this game hot, and they started off hot. I mean,
that was the standard you set in a home opener
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from a fan base in terms of being in their seats.
When I ask, I appreciated that, making life really difficult, difficult.
They had to burn an early time out just like
we had last week because of the crowd noise, and
you could hear them throughout, And we just got to
do a better job not having to come back in
the last two minutes of the game, putting ourselves in
a better position. But again, proud and and everybody will
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learn from this and know that the Bengals are never
out of it and we're gonna We're gonna continue to
find a way to win.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Okay, So Jake Brown would be the quarterback for the
time being. You know, three months to weeks whatever, that's
a lot of football games. They go to Minnesota, to
Denver home versus the Lions, then to Green Bay. Yikes,
that is a tough, tough schedule. The back end of
their schedule. You know, last three games are Dolphins, Cardinals, Browns.
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So if he's back and they need a couple of wins,
it's not crazy you think he can get that done,
but unlikely. Speaking of the Vikings game, right, Tom Tellsco
is gonna join us, I'm gonna ask him about turf toe.
He's dealt with it all twelve years as a general manager,
but as much as Jake Browning is the starting quarterback
for the Bengals, causing a lot of people to go
like woo yeh. It's the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox
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Sports Radio, and I consider our show really lucky to
have Tom Telesco as a weekly guest, not even thinking
about the fact that Week two is the Telasco Bowl
on Monday Night football. Right. Two teams that he built,
the Raiders where he walked into a project which was
kind of half completed, the he walked out when it
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was sort of half completed, right, and the Chargers that
he built several times over into a winner. He's timed
to LESCo. He's the former general manager of the Chargers
and the Raiders, and he's our guest here weekly on
the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Have you
thought about what tonight's gonna be like with that game
on TV?
Speaker 7 (12:21):
Yeah, I'll tell you what. I will say that the
Raiders are definitely. We're not half completed by me. I
was only there for a year, but the Chargers, you know,
eleven years as a GM, so I just know so
many people there. Still know a good amount of the players,
even though they've they've made some pretty good additions since then.
But it's gonna be really interesting because I just know
both teams really really well and washing and play against themselves.
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So yeah, it's gonna be a little bit strange. I
will say, I was just looking at the game, like
the Chargers defense is like this kind of goes under
the radar, I think a little bit because of Justin Herbert,
but they were doing a great job on that side
of the ball. They're just out in the middle and
they got throwin James and Dan Henley kind of rangey,
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both both run and past. So it's gonna be really
interesting games tonight.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yeah, it will be very very interesting. We'll circle back
to the game in a second. Have you ever had
one of your top players? I mean, you had so
many things you've been through as GM, and then you
go back to your time in India and have you
ever had a guy, have a high level player have
turf tie.
Speaker 7 (13:28):
It's it's not coming to mind and leave me at
a GM like you. You spent a lot of time
with your team doctors during the season. Price spend more
time with them by far than even the college scouts.
It's a common injury. It wasn't really common for quarterbacks.
It's more common for field position players, receivers, dbs and
sometimes a combo player a linebacker, running back. But I
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don't remember, and I'm sure we have. But what I
do know, because I know we had some grade one
and grade two, the grade three is pretty significant. So
you're looking at surgery and I know they're saying twelve weeks,
but I mean that's that's if everything goes perfect, which
I don't. I just don't to me, they have to
get ready for Jake Brian to finish the season as
the quarterback. I don't know if it's realistic with this
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type of injury and the surgery and then how you
have to play with it. He'll be fine, Joe Burrow,
He'll be fine in the end. He'll be one hundred
percent next year. But for this year, it's going be
extremely difficult just to be able to plan and throw
with that injury. But I can't remember very many great threes,
but I do remember, you know, we've had great ones
of great twos, and the question was always if you
do get to a Grete three, then that's significant, and
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the grade one great two you can kind of manage.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
A little bit.
Speaker 7 (14:38):
I think Philip Rivers had some sort of turf toe
at some point of my career there, but it was
something he could always kind of manage through, whether it's
you can put it like a steel shank in your
shoe just to kind of limit the mobility of the toe,
sometimes getting an injection and kind of play through it.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
If you're the Bengals and this is a position you
have been in, right, your quarterback goes down, you got
Jake Browning And for those of us are old enough
to remember, like Jake Browning was like maybe the top
two or three prospects in the country before he went
to college, right, And so I mean he's a backup.
What do you add? And again let me I don't
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need to add my thoughts because you've been in this position. Okay,
quarterback goes down, starting quarterback goes down, You got a backup.
Now you gotta add one. Take me through. Like today,
you walk into the office, and what's the discussion.
Speaker 7 (15:30):
Like, well, I mean, for the first discussion, is that
Jake Browning the one that we're gonna go with for
the rest of the year, And in this particular situation,
they answered absolutely yes. You know, he's not a big name,
but he's a big name in NFL circles. I mean,
he's played well in Joe's absence. He's got great pocket poise,
and he's really really accurate, and the fact that he's
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already played a good amount of snaps for the Bengals
and for Zach Taylor leads you that, hey, this is
the guy that we're going to go with moving forward
in They've made a lot of investments at receiver and
tight end and those guys are gonna have to step
up and raise their level of play two for the
quarterback position. So then the second part for the front office, Okay, well,
we need another backup because God forbid something happens to
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Jake Browning. We have to have somewhere to go, and probably,
you know, the Bengals are a good team. Preferably you'd
like to have a veteran that could be the backup.
Right now, It's just, you know, there's just not. The
pool right now is obviously very small because you don't
what you don't want to have to do is Jake
Brant gets hurt in your season completely over. But unfortunately
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for money, once you get to your third quarterback, it's
going to be extremely difficult. So right now it's about
trying and find the right third quarterback. And usually at
this time of the year, you'd prefer that quarterback has
some familiarity either with your coordinator slash head coach, or
has some familiarity with the type of offense that you
run because you may have to play younger than later.
You just never know. So that's the discussion today is Okay,
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who's now the backup? Is he currently on our practice
squad or someone that we have to go outside the
team to go get.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Okay, well help me out here, Okay. So Dan Pitcher
is the offensive coordinator for the Bengals, you know, and
so what is what's his kind of family tree, like
who what what offense is that? Like where you can
find somebody with familiarity towards it.
Speaker 7 (17:23):
Well, Dan's been there a long time. Actually, Dan Pitcher
worked in our scouting department and when I was with
the Coole and then he transitioned into coaching after that,
and he vote the Bengals for a long time. So
he's been there with Zach Taylor. He's been there with
Brian Callahan, who was there. So if there's someone from
the Callahan tree that's available, you know, maybe that's somebody
they take a look at. But Dan's a really sharp
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coach and he's gonna have to get whoever the quarterback is,
even with the familiarity, he's gonna have to get them
up the speed as quickly as possible. And look, it
could be something where that we just promote a quarterback
from our practice squad initially and that player serves us
a backup as we go through our process and to
make sure we had the right quarterback at the backup.
It doesn't have to be by tomorrow, you know, it
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could be by next week or the week after to
find the right guy. Because they do have quarterbacks on them,
they have at least one in the practice squad so
well as.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Because like Kirk Cousins, does that work.
Speaker 7 (18:17):
I don't think that works just because they have the
starter right now who they feel good about, So I
don't think you'd be looking to make a trade for
Kirk Cousins to coming in your backup at this point.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Stut Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. That's the voice
of Tom to lescou He's he was the gentleal manager
of the Chargers for eleven years, with the Raiders for
a year, and he's kind of to spend some time
with this year on a weekly basis on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
is the is the Dolphins. Are the Dolphins fixable?
Speaker 7 (18:49):
Well, this is a good news. I thought the offense
was much better from Week one to Week two, so
you've got that to hang your hat on. You you
saw improvement with two and with the offense in general.
To me, the bigger issue was the Patriots don't have
a premiere offense yet and the Dolphins defense really struggles
for the second straight week. So that's the issue right now.
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And it's going to take everybody, you know, including you know,
leadership from the head coach and then really the assistant
coaches putting a plan together, a scheme together on both
sides to try and make some improvements. Because it's tough.
I mean, it's it's tough for any team to go
with the start of a year zero to two. It's
such a long offseason. There's so much hope with every
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organization going into the season, and we don't play well
right off the bat. It takes a lot of leadership,
both with the coaching staff and in the locker room
to kind of overcome that which they can, which they
definitely can, but it's gonna take a lot of work
moving forward. But the good thing is I saw some
better signs on offense, especially in the passing game, that
they got better from Week one to week two.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
The Kansas City Chiefs they lose. They lose again at
home end of the third quarter as Kelsey drops the ball.
You know, Mahome sort of little led him a little bit,
but I mean he hit him in the hands and
he fumbles it and he gets intercepted. Uh what was
that was the pass off or was that a sign
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of Kelsey losing a half step and that's why he
was behind with that ball actually ended up?
Speaker 7 (20:21):
I mean, it's hard to say. I mean, it was
such a fluky play. So unfortunately those plays happened. But
to me, the bigger thing was that, I mean, the
Chiefs the last couple of years, they've had an outstanding
defense and then Mahome has made a lot of plays
on offense. They've had enough on offense to win, but
it's really been a defensive team. So in Week one
against the Chargers, a little uncarre characteristic of how they performed.
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But the defense rebounded this week. I thought they looked
much better, got some pressure, you know, played the run
pretty well. So that was that was great, But the
problem the offense just didn't have any juice again. And
you know, the running game just hasn't. I mean, the
running you had never been a focal point of the
chart of the of the Chiefs, but they're not getting
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a lot there that. You know, both tackle spots struggled
last year and it's kind of continuing on this year.
And the Eagles really challenged the tackles. They got a
lot of one on ones and they won a lot
of one on ones. And Eagles play a lot of
man coverage and forced the receivers of the Chiefs to
win and they didn't win that much. So you know,
the good news for the Chiefs is, look, this offense
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is not a lot different than last year's and you
know they'll get they'll get Rice back soon, Chi Rice
back soon. They made a Super Bowl with this type
of offense, but the margin for errors is a lot
smaller right now. But the defense had to keep coming along,
keep playing the way that they need to play. But offensively,
they just have a lot of holes right now that
are just really being focused on more so this year
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than other years.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
The the Steelers have some holes as well. A team
that was put together kind of win now and they
really struggled offensively against the Seahawks. What is shoes? Did
you see?
Speaker 6 (22:00):
Well?
Speaker 7 (22:00):
I mean some of the same things that that showed
up in Week one. It's just like each week is
just you know, week to week, depending on your opponent,
depending on your opponent's strengths and weaknesses are different, and
it only take a little couple of little things and
you have, you know, a special teams are that gives
up points, it kills you. Aaron Ryders still made some throws,
some very good throws, but when when you get pressure
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on an older quarterback who used to be mobile, who's
just not as mobile anymore, it makes for a difficult time.
And that's why past protection for them is going to
be key this year, because if you can give Aaron
Rodgers some time, he can still throw it. He gets
the ball out quick. You know, he knows where to
go with the football. Obviously you can process quickly, but
you know the rest of the offense as far as
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the run game, pass protection, you know, that didn't wasn't
where it needed to be this week, and it wasn't
where it needed to be in Week one either. And
then the thing that thought they'd be able to rely
on is the defense. The defense is really strong and
that's still coming along. So this is one of those things.
I think the defense will kind of come back to
where it needs to be as you get the week
three and four. I think they're much better than how
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they're playing place. Smith getting hurt is not going to help,
but luckily it's not season ending. But this is one
where the defense really needs to step up as well.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
JJ McCarthy struggled. Now obviously first game, struggled in the
first half. Some of the second half. They put it together.
They win a game this week. It's just wasn't great, right.
What did the what the Falcons do to confuse the
rookie or second year player but first year.
Speaker 7 (23:31):
Starting, Yeah, I don't know if there's so much confusion.
I actually though I know he didn't play great. I
know the numbers weren't weren't good, but I did see
some positives from from McCarthy because he does show and
it's not consistent yet, but he does show the ability
to be in the pocket, progress through his reads and
anticipate and make make throws. Now one of the bigger
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issues right now for Minnesota is Christian Barrissa is not
playing left tackle because he's hurt. So they had justin
school in the game and he got hurt to their
third tackle was in the game. The starting center Ryan
Kelly went out with an injury, so he had a
lot of pressure early. The Falcons did a great job
on the edges getting pressure, which is something that we've
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been saying for years, like will they ever add you know,
pass rush help, will they ever add edge help. It
was funny every year in the draft, I thought there
was a number one need and they always went in
a different direction, including when they draft the tennis. But
this year they went out and you know, first two
picks or pass rushers, and those two guys are playing well.
So they got a lot of pressure on McCarthy. But
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I still saw some positives in McCarthy's play. But it's
just going to be a process with them. He's essentially
a rookie quarterback. He's seeing everything for the first time.
The defensive line is not quite as strong now as it
was last years Sam Darnold, and that's really due to injury.
It will get back to where it was, so that's
going to help them. But yeah, that was That was
a tough watch last night, and that's kind of the
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you know, the life of the rookie quarterback.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
What do NFL people think about the Colts new owner
on the sideline listening to the play calls, taking notes.
Speaker 7 (25:07):
Well, I think from the Colts standpoint, they're just used
to it because she's been doing that for a number
of years, all the way back to when Frank Rich
was there. So for them, it's it's just it's part
of their process. So I think if you're a player,
head coach, you know, if you're secure enough in what
you do, I wouldn't even be concerned about it, wouldn't
be worried about it. So is it different and unique?
Yeah it is, But that's one of the great things
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about the Colts. They do some things outside the box,
and that's your mercy legacy right there of just trying
to think outside the box and do some different things.
So but like I said, she's been doing that for
so long. It's uh, you know, for them, it's just
second mature.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
What what tack happened to Justin Fields? I mean again,
you talked about Pittsburgh's defense. He looked great last week.
I mean really, really, what was it? What the Bills do?
Speaker 7 (25:56):
I don't it's I don't mean anything Buffalo did. I
just think it's you know, the type of player that
Justin Fields is. I mean, I know he made some
throws in Week one, but if you look at the
whole body of work over the course of his career,
you know, he's never really been a sit in the
pocket it's third and twelve and be able to convert
those at a high percentage. You know, he's more of
a you know throw Some of our pos use his
(26:18):
seat us his feat the scramble. He used to seat
the scramble to throw, not always the run. But then
if he runs, he's a dynamic runner. But you know
what's kind of cut up with him with in Chicago
and Pittsburgh is just you know, is that traditional staying
in the pocket, I'm third down and reading it out
and making an accurate throw. So it's just kind of
(26:38):
his body of work of what it's been. So he
has to use his feet. They have to have an
offense they can really do that to get him outside
the pocket where it's runner throw. He's such a dynamic athlete,
he's got a strong arm, he's a tremendous leader. He
just got to play into the strengths and trying to
minimize the weaknesses. And you know this week Buffalo really,
you know, went after his weaknesses and did a great job.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
S Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, Okay,
now comes the odd part Raiders Chargers in Vegas. Who wins?
Speaker 7 (27:09):
Well, Doug, I don't do predictions, all right, but the
big thing right now, does Brock Bauers player or not?
And my guess is if he plays, I don't I
don't know if he's going to be one hundred percent.
He's such a big part of that offense. You know,
he's one of their dynamic players. So I'm curious to
see what Chip Kelly does if Rock Buers isn't one
hundred percent or doesn't play, Like, how are they going
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to how they going to manage this. So the Raiders
that the question going in the year. With the Raiders
on defense with their secondary and against the Patriots, you
wouldn't have known the difference because their secondary play extremely well.
But this offense has a lot better receivers than the
Patriots do currently. But between the Conki and Keenan Allen,
I think it's gonna be a great test for the
Raiders DBS to see how they can hold up. They
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held up this fine against the Patriots. We'll see this week.
So but this is going to be fascinating just to
watch Justin Herbert and and and Gino Smith go at it.
But yeah, I've got this is just for me. I
have twelve years between these two teams, but eleven with
one team and one with the other. But I can't
do prediction on this one.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Tommy, great stuff, man. We're glad you don't do predictions.
We don't like them either. We know you got to run.
Appreciate you being our guest, enjoy watching h enjoy watching
two houses, one that you built and then built and
then built another one that you had a piece of
the building. Thanks for being our guests.
Speaker 7 (28:25):
You got it. Thanks Doug.
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Speaker 6 (29:37):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 8 (29:43):
Doug six topics to hit you with in a game
that we like.
Speaker 6 (29:46):
To call big deal, Little deal, no deal.
Speaker 8 (29:50):
Now there is the news that JJ McCarthy is dealing
with a high ankle sprain. But we start out with
the Vikings question, big deal, little deal or no deal
that the Vikings didn't score a touchdown on last night's
game again it's to Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
I thought that was a big deal. You have a
lot of talent offensively, you have a coach who's known
as a quarterback whisperer, and your offense. I know you
were out your starting left tackle in your backup left tackle,
but it just it didn't look good. Said, and you're
at home, and you're home, didn't look it? Big deal,
(30:23):
all right?
Speaker 8 (30:23):
Big deal, little deal or no deal that the Browns
got thumped by the Ravens. After Cleveland talked trash this
past week, Grant Delpit saying it wasn't difficult to tackle
Derrick Henry I'm paraphrasing Jerry Judy said that the Ravens
secondary didn't prevent any challenges to them.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Yeah, those are so words that you're eating.
Speaker 8 (30:45):
Final score from Baltimore Ravens forty one, Browns seventeen.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Not really competitive, I will say Dereck Henry didn't do much,
but didn't have to because Lbar Jackson was busy lighting
him up. Right, So, uh, yeah, that's a big deal.
I mean, why are the Browns saying anything?
Speaker 8 (31:04):
Yeah, I think a lot of us were wondering.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Why are you saying anything that that's a big deal.
That's a clown show. Just win football games. Let that
speak for you.
Speaker 8 (31:15):
Dylan Gabriel got in the game, went three for three
for nineteen yards and a touchdown. A spin off on
that big deal, little deal or no deal that ESPN
reported prior to that Browns Ravens kickoff that Shadoor Sanders
was going to be drafted by the Ravens, but Shadoor
and his people said they didn't want to go to Baltimore. That,
(31:35):
according to Adam Schefters, had a big deal, a little
deal of no deal.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Wait tell that all right? Sorry, the Shore door Sanders story.
Speaker 6 (31:46):
The Ravens had the third pick in the fifth rounds
Ravens wanted to select Door got back to them that
Schador did not want to play in a spot where
he couldn't earn a starting.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Spot, right, And so again, I think that's a huge deal.
It's it's telling the real story for the damage that
the Sanders crew did to his draft ability. And oh yeah,
by the way, like he's right in that. I mean,
if the Browns were an acceptable one, right, you have
(32:15):
a better path to start. But why are you telling
anybody you don't want to be drafted, and then when
you don't get drafted, be like, I can't believe nobody
drafted me. You know, that's the old self fulfilling prophecy.
I think it's a I think it's a big deal.
I think the more you hear about the things that
he did and then his you know, agent, his supporters,
(32:40):
all those everything that he was advised to do, I
think you understand why he landed up where he landed,
landed where he landed, and why he's viewed very differently
in NFL circles despite some talent than he is in
social media and media circles.
Speaker 8 (32:55):
Doug big deal, little deal or no deal that the
New England Patriots out last of the Dolphins on Sunday
thirty three, twenty seven.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Well, how crazy was the way which the game was won?
Right where you have the Dolphins have a punt return
for a touchdown only to give up a kick return
for a touchdown on the very next play. Big deal,
because as bad as the Indie game was week one,
you beat the Patriots, you're at home a right, Well,
(33:24):
we'll figure it out. And Tua, though he still struggles
to get Tyreek Hill going and had some weird comments
after the game, he was accurate in some of the
things he was doing, Like you just survived that game,
win the game, and it takes so much of the
pressure off. You get a punt return for a touchdown,
You're like, man, we're in a great spot here. Then
you give a kick return. I think it's a huge deal.
(33:46):
I think that's a devastating loss. Not all losses are equal.
The Indie loss, it was the first week of the season.
They got embarrassed on the road, didn't play well. They
kind of seemed to really figure too out. But this
loss is like one point five because it was a
home loss and a chance to write the ship.
Speaker 8 (34:02):
I will also say this, the Dolphins thought that they
had tied the game and then they would have had
the extra point to take the lead. But Devon eh
Chan had his stepped out of bounds on what would
have big play.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Yes, it was going to get them to what like
the three or four yards he scored?
Speaker 8 (34:17):
He scored left, yes, but his.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
See, I thought he stepped out down there as well.
I thought he stepped out. I know he stepped out like,
I don't know, ten yards into the run, But I
thought he stepped out towards towards the end zone as well.
Speaker 8 (34:30):
Moving from Sunday to Saturday, big deal, little deal or
no deal, Tennessee's overtime loss to the Georgia Bulldogs in Knoxville.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Gigantic, gigantic, A chance to take down Georgia. You got
him at home? Gigantic. What a great football game? Uh huh?
Like that was one of those like what else that
was different than these acc Big twelve, you know, any
other conference games. That was big time college football, big time.
Speaker 8 (34:56):
College Tennessee had so many opportunities to close that out.
I'm thirty eight to thirty a fourth down. Then when
it's tied at thirty eight, the field goal, they have
a procedure penalty moving them back five yards. Missed the
penalty there, missed the field goal after that penalty, and
then in overtime it was all dogs, all right, big deal,
little deal, of no deal. Notre Dames lost to Texas
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A and M on Saturday.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Huge, huge, especially you know, botched extra point costs you
the game at home against A and M. Chance to
have two straight wins over an SEC opponent two straight years,
and now you move to zero and to two. Can
you dig out of it? Yeah? Yeah, you win all
the rest of games. Gotta beat SC. Liking to move
out of it, big out of it? Probably not.
Speaker 8 (35:40):
I think it's going to be extremely difficult for them.
Just the schedule does not you mentioned the USC game.
Maybe maybe Navy is ranked. I mean, I don't know.
I don't know where you have a resume builder or
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on that Notre Dame schedule.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
I don't know if they need a resume builder.
Speaker 7 (36:04):
Though.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
The games are so close. If you beat SC, you
gotta win out and and and then we'll see what happens.
Speaker 8 (36:13):
All right, And that's game time.
Speaker 6 (36:18):
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(00:25):
a great day. It is a Monday. I will tell
you that it's not just that the Packers are two
and oh, that that's just It's not just that, but
it's also that the Packers are two and O. I
live in Green Bay, Wisconsin, and I mean it is
Indian summer eighty five outside, not a cloud in the sky.
(00:48):
It's amazing. I look. I know this too shall pass,
but until it does, we're gonna enjoy the heck out
of it here in northeast north Northeast Wisconsin. All Right,
you know, I'm not gonna hurt myself patting myself on
(01:09):
the back, but I may hurt myself patting myself on
the back because I told you that this or we
asked the question all off season is this the year
the year that the league figures out how to actually
beat the Chiefs? And I don't know if this will
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be the entire year or if it's just the beginning
of a year in which people have There's been two
straight games. Now there's also been two straight games, and
this is kind of interesting. There's also been two straight
games where the Chiefs have been victims of the other
side of officiating. For the last however many years, six
(01:53):
seven years, there's been the running conspiracy theory that and
you Reid Pat Mahomes, they must have pictures of some
because they get every call. And now you saw some
false starts that were not called against the defending champion
Philadelphia Eagles last week. There was what appeared to be
a pretty obvious hold on the game winning touchdown passed
(02:14):
from Justin Herbert, also not called. So the Chiefs fans
who have forever been annoying with the what do I
mean we get calls? Now they don't get calls two
weeks in a row, and you would you would think
we said the Lord's name in vain and game the finger.
Here's Chris Jones, defensive lineman star for the Kansas Chiefs,
(02:36):
on the no calls on false start.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
You know, sometimes can't get them all all the calls right,
and just because we see it. Sometimes the official is
fifteen to twenty feet away. Sometimes it can miss those
small things. And we think he jumped multiple times, so
an official didn't see it, so it wasn't call, and
you know, we just got to go play it in
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this out.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Is that something you guys have seen on tape before
as you prepared for this, Is that happened?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Sometimes it happens. People jump all the time. It's just
you know, if the official see it, they'll call it.
I don't think they've seen it those few plays, and
we didn't get a call.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Okay, So that was on the toush push. There were
two plays on the tush push where the Eagles appeared
to jump, and now one of them the eagle. The
Chiefs look like they jumped as well, but still wasn't called.
Wasn't called. And and I understand that you can use
(03:37):
the old coach speak, you make your own luck, and
good teams get calls. Bad teams don't get calls. But
it is weird that how now they're right there on
you know, on the border and look there's other things
that went into loosing the game, but they don't get
those important calls. Two weeks in a row, I thought
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the it's not an indictment of Travis Kelcey, but it's
a play where you can go God, just he looked
a little old on It was the interception which I
think Karen sort of into the end zone right where
Kelsey's open. It's at the end of the third quarter.
It was a magnificent drive by the Chiefs. Fourteen plays.
(04:21):
They get down right down there and throw a little
slant to Travis Kelcey, and it just felt like he
was what two three inches behind in terms of speed
where he normally would be, and so the ball was
just it was in his reach, but not perfectly in
his reach. And then he had it but didn't have it,
(04:43):
and it bobbles up in the air and it's like
a Keystone Cops thing, and suddenly the defense comes down
with it, like that's an indictment. That's what age looks like.
You're not incapable of playing. You're just not capable of
doing all the things you used to do consistently. And
the things you do you're gonna do just a little
bit slower. I mean, if you watch Aaron Rodgers yesterday,
(05:04):
and obviously he's much older than Travis Kelcey, but some
of the same stuff where you know, he looks young
in the face. He moves pretty well, but he's just
not moving as well. Here's Andy Ree when he was
asked about the same toush push fall starts.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
If guys are moving early, then you've got to you know,
you've got to call that. So they'll go back and
look at that and see what their what their evaluation is.
It could be different than mine mine. I felt like
the guys were moving, That's why I was griping about it,
you know, and on the sideline there, So it's, uh,
you know, sometimes people see things different. So we'll see
(05:39):
where it goes. They'll have a chance to evaluate it,
and I'll be curious to see what what the response is.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yeah, I mean, look, I thought that was a very
measured way of saying it for a head coach. Here's
Nick Siriani. Always measured head coach the Eagles on those
complaints by the Chiefs about the toush push.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
So I us at the referees at times when I
when I think it goes one way, and I would
expect them to do the exact same thing. So yeah,
it's just a good effort because you know, when you're
running that play, everyone knows you're running that play. So
there's something there's something pretty cool about being able to
execute a play when you know exactly what's coming. And
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it just speaks to the volumes.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Of our guys.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
We work our butts off on it. First of all,
it's all about the guys, right, It's all about the
guys up front, the tight ends Jalen, the timing of everything.
Obviously won't get into all the things that we do
to prepare for it, but you know, it's not an
easy play to practice, but our guys do a great
job of simulating it as much as we possibly can.
(06:42):
You know, during practice, during walkthroughs, different things like that,
creativity by our coaches to find ways to do that.
As you can see, teams are going to do everything
they can possibly do to stop it, so you can see, you.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Know, some of the things.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
I won't get into that either, I don't want give
them any other team's acclude to what they were doing,
but you know, and we're prepared for all those things
and the guys are prepared for all those things, but
I think it always comes down to those guys up
front and Jailen. I've had a lot of success with
that play, and you know, we'll continue to use it
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to our advantage.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
So my guess would be that from this point forward,
the league gets it and they're going to be super
tight with the fall start calls on the Eagles, much
like last year, this time there was the film out
on the Chiefs and their left tackle being essentially in
the backfield, and those were called a bunch in in
the rest of the season. But let's not let's not
(07:44):
get a twisted. Those are miss calls. Chiefs still could
have won the game. Ball was in Travis Kelsey's hand
right around the one yard line, and the ball bounced up,
caring up in the air and it got intercepted. Let's
let's not make excuses to know the Chiefs have been
in those close games for years and this is the
first year where year two games in they're losing them.
(08:09):
So let's not mistake in ourselves into thinking that the
reps are the reason that the Chiefs are zero and two.
Some of it you make your own breaks, some of
it just the team that's better will get a break
or two. Some of it is at some point they
had to get a bad whistle with the officiating, and
then you factor in some of the injuries they've had, suspension,
(08:29):
they have a wide receiver, and I don't know. My
question all year was all off season, was is this
the year that the league has caught up to the Chiefs.
They have the Giants on the road, the Ravens at home,
the Jaguars in the road, the Lions at home, the
Raiders at home, the Commanders at home. So for the
(08:52):
most part, you have your tougher teams Ravens, Lions, Commanders
of the next six at home, which makes them win,
and the road games are winnable as well. But right now,
you just got to get one, to get on the
board and get rolling, because with every loss, your probability
of making the playoffs decreases, and with every loss, suddenly
it will feel and probably become a reality that you
(09:14):
won't get as many calls.
Speaker 6 (09:16):
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(09:47):
at least three months with a turf toe injury. Here's
Zach Taylor, head coach of CINCINNTI Bengals, talked about the
win yesterday and how much the fans of the Bengals helped.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
It looked up as we had the final turnover, they
returned to ten and our crowd started this. This crowd
was outstanding today. They gave us a huge advantage. I
did see people leaving thinking it was over it.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Don't blame them.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
We just threw a pick on the ten yard line
and all our defensives rise up, get four stops, and
we go ninety something yards to win the game. And
trust me, I don't I don't blame anybody. The overall
performance today wasn't what our standard is and what we want.
And I mean and I asked our fans to start
off this game hot, and they started off hot. I mean,
that was the standard you set in a home opener
(10:30):
from a fan base in terms of being in their seats.
When I ask, I appreciated that, making life really difficult, difficult.
They had to burn an early time out just like
we had last week because of the crowd noise, and
you could hear them throughout, And we just got to
do a better job not having to come back in
the last two minutes of the game, putting ourselves in
a better position. But again, proud and and everybody will
(10:51):
learn from this and know that the Bengals are never
out of it and we're gonna We're gonna continue to
find a way to win.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Okay, So Jake Brown would be the quarterback for the
time being. You know, three months to weeks whatever, that's
a lot of football games. They go to Minnesota, to
Denver home versus the Lions, then to Green Bay. Yikes,
that is a tough, tough schedule. The back end of
their schedule. You know, last three games are Dolphins, Cardinals, Browns.
(11:16):
So if he's back and they need a couple of wins,
it's not crazy you think he can get that done,
but unlikely. Speaking of the Vikings game, right, Tom Tellsco
is gonna join us, I'm gonna ask him about turf toe.
He's dealt with it all twelve years as a general manager,
but as much as Jake Browning is the starting quarterback
for the Bengals, causing a lot of people to go
like woo yeh. It's the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox
(11:40):
Sports Radio, and I consider our show really lucky to
have Tom Telesco as a weekly guest, not even thinking
about the fact that Week two is the Telasco Bowl
on Monday Night football. Right. Two teams that he built,
the Raiders where he walked into a project which was
kind of half completed, the he walked out when it
(12:00):
was sort of half completed, right, and the Chargers that
he built several times over into a winner. He's timed
to LESCo. He's the former general manager of the Chargers
and the Raiders, and he's our guest here weekly on
the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Have you
thought about what tonight's gonna be like with that game
on TV?
Speaker 7 (12:21):
Yeah, I'll tell you what. I will say that the
Raiders are definitely. We're not half completed by me. I
was only there for a year, but the Chargers, you know,
eleven years as a GM, so I just know so
many people there. Still know a good amount of the players,
even though they've they've made some pretty good additions since then.
But it's gonna be really interesting because I just know
both teams really really well and washing and play against themselves.
(12:44):
So yeah, it's gonna be a little bit strange. I
will say, I was just looking at the game, like
the Chargers defense is like this kind of goes under
the radar, I think a little bit because of Justin Herbert,
but they were doing a great job on that side
of the ball. They're just out in the middle and
they got throwin James and Dan Henley kind of rangey,
(13:04):
both both run and past. So it's gonna be really
interesting games tonight.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yeah, it will be very very interesting. We'll circle back
to the game in a second. Have you ever had
one of your top players? I mean, you had so
many things you've been through as GM, and then you
go back to your time in India and have you
ever had a guy, have a high level player have
turf tie.
Speaker 7 (13:28):
It's it's not coming to mind and leave me at
a GM like you. You spent a lot of time
with your team doctors during the season. Price spend more
time with them by far than even the college scouts.
It's a common injury. It wasn't really common for quarterbacks.
It's more common for field position players, receivers, dbs and
sometimes a combo player a linebacker, running back. But I
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don't remember, and I'm sure we have. But what I
do know, because I know we had some grade one
and grade two, the grade three is pretty significant. So
you're looking at surgery and I know they're saying twelve weeks,
but I mean that's that's if everything goes perfect, which
I don't. I just don't to me, they have to
get ready for Jake Brian to finish the season as
the quarterback. I don't know if it's realistic with this
(14:13):
type of injury and the surgery and then how you
have to play with it. He'll be fine, Joe Burrow,
He'll be fine in the end. He'll be one hundred
percent next year. But for this year, it's going be
extremely difficult just to be able to plan and throw
with that injury. But I can't remember very many great threes,
but I do remember, you know, we've had great ones
of great twos, and the question was always if you
do get to a Grete three, then that's significant, and
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the grade one great two you can kind of manage.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
A little bit.
Speaker 7 (14:38):
I think Philip Rivers had some sort of turf toe
at some point of my career there, but it was
something he could always kind of manage through, whether it's
you can put it like a steel shank in your
shoe just to kind of limit the mobility of the toe,
sometimes getting an injection and kind of play through it.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
If you're the Bengals and this is a position you
have been in, right, your quarterback goes down, you got
Jake Browning And for those of us are old enough
to remember, like Jake Browning was like maybe the top
two or three prospects in the country before he went
to college, right, And so I mean he's a backup.
What do you add? And again let me I don't
(15:18):
need to add my thoughts because you've been in this position. Okay,
quarterback goes down, starting quarterback goes down, You got a backup.
Now you gotta add one. Take me through. Like today,
you walk into the office, and what's the discussion.
Speaker 7 (15:30):
Like, well, I mean, for the first discussion, is that
Jake Browning the one that we're gonna go with for
the rest of the year, And in this particular situation,
they answered absolutely yes. You know, he's not a big name,
but he's a big name in NFL circles. I mean,
he's played well in Joe's absence. He's got great pocket poise,
and he's really really accurate, and the fact that he's
(15:51):
already played a good amount of snaps for the Bengals
and for Zach Taylor leads you that, hey, this is
the guy that we're going to go with moving forward
in They've made a lot of investments at receiver and
tight end and those guys are gonna have to step
up and raise their level of play two for the
quarterback position. So then the second part for the front office, Okay, well,
we need another backup because God forbid something happens to
(16:14):
Jake Browning. We have to have somewhere to go, and probably,
you know, the Bengals are a good team. Preferably you'd
like to have a veteran that could be the backup.
Right now, It's just, you know, there's just not. The
pool right now is obviously very small because you don't
what you don't want to have to do is Jake
Brant gets hurt in your season completely over. But unfortunately
(16:34):
for money, once you get to your third quarterback, it's
going to be extremely difficult. So right now it's about
trying and find the right third quarterback. And usually at
this time of the year, you'd prefer that quarterback has
some familiarity either with your coordinator slash head coach, or
has some familiarity with the type of offense that you
run because you may have to play younger than later.
You just never know. So that's the discussion today is Okay,
(16:56):
who's now the backup? Is he currently on our practice
squad or someone that we have to go outside the
team to go get.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Okay, well help me out here, Okay. So Dan Pitcher
is the offensive coordinator for the Bengals, you know, and
so what is what's his kind of family tree, like
who what what offense is that? Like where you can
find somebody with familiarity towards it.
Speaker 7 (17:23):
Well, Dan's been there a long time. Actually, Dan Pitcher
worked in our scouting department and when I was with
the Coole and then he transitioned into coaching after that,
and he vote the Bengals for a long time. So
he's been there with Zach Taylor. He's been there with
Brian Callahan, who was there. So if there's someone from
the Callahan tree that's available, you know, maybe that's somebody
they take a look at. But Dan's a really sharp
(17:44):
coach and he's gonna have to get whoever the quarterback is,
even with the familiarity, he's gonna have to get them
up the speed as quickly as possible. And look, it
could be something where that we just promote a quarterback
from our practice squad initially and that player serves us
a backup as we go through our process and to
make sure we had the right quarterback at the backup.
It doesn't have to be by tomorrow, you know, it
(18:04):
could be by next week or the week after to
find the right guy. Because they do have quarterbacks on them,
they have at least one in the practice squad so
well as.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Because like Kirk Cousins, does that work.
Speaker 7 (18:17):
I don't think that works just because they have the
starter right now who they feel good about, So I
don't think you'd be looking to make a trade for
Kirk Cousins to coming in your backup at this point.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Stut Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. That's the voice
of Tom to lescou He's he was the gentleal manager
of the Chargers for eleven years, with the Raiders for
a year, and he's kind of to spend some time
with this year on a weekly basis on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
is the is the Dolphins. Are the Dolphins fixable?
Speaker 7 (18:49):
Well, this is a good news. I thought the offense
was much better from Week one to Week two, so
you've got that to hang your hat on. You you
saw improvement with two and with the offense in general.
To me, the bigger issue was the Patriots don't have
a premiere offense yet and the Dolphins defense really struggles
for the second straight week. So that's the issue right now.
(19:10):
And it's going to take everybody, you know, including you know,
leadership from the head coach and then really the assistant
coaches putting a plan together, a scheme together on both
sides to try and make some improvements. Because it's tough.
I mean, it's it's tough for any team to go
with the start of a year zero to two. It's
such a long offseason. There's so much hope with every
(19:30):
organization going into the season, and we don't play well
right off the bat. It takes a lot of leadership,
both with the coaching staff and in the locker room
to kind of overcome that which they can, which they
definitely can, but it's gonna take a lot of work
moving forward. But the good thing is I saw some
better signs on offense, especially in the passing game, that
they got better from Week one to week two.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
The Kansas City Chiefs they lose. They lose again at
home end of the third quarter as Kelsey drops the ball.
You know, Mahome sort of little led him a little bit,
but I mean he hit him in the hands and
he fumbles it and he gets intercepted. Uh what was
that was the pass off or was that a sign
(20:14):
of Kelsey losing a half step and that's why he
was behind with that ball actually ended up?
Speaker 7 (20:21):
I mean, it's hard to say. I mean, it was
such a fluky play. So unfortunately those plays happened. But
to me, the bigger thing was that, I mean, the
Chiefs the last couple of years, they've had an outstanding
defense and then Mahome has made a lot of plays
on offense. They've had enough on offense to win, but
it's really been a defensive team. So in Week one
against the Chargers, a little uncarre characteristic of how they performed.
(20:44):
But the defense rebounded this week. I thought they looked
much better, got some pressure, you know, played the run
pretty well. So that was that was great, But the
problem the offense just didn't have any juice again. And
you know, the running game just hasn't. I mean, the
running you had never been a focal point of the
chart of the of the Chiefs, but they're not getting
(21:06):
a lot there that. You know, both tackle spots struggled
last year and it's kind of continuing on this year.
And the Eagles really challenged the tackles. They got a
lot of one on ones and they won a lot
of one on ones. And Eagles play a lot of
man coverage and forced the receivers of the Chiefs to
win and they didn't win that much. So you know,
the good news for the Chiefs is, look, this offense
(21:27):
is not a lot different than last year's and you
know they'll get they'll get Rice back soon, Chi Rice
back soon. They made a Super Bowl with this type
of offense, but the margin for errors is a lot
smaller right now. But the defense had to keep coming along,
keep playing the way that they need to play. But offensively,
they just have a lot of holes right now that
are just really being focused on more so this year
(21:47):
than other years.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
The the Steelers have some holes as well. A team
that was put together kind of win now and they
really struggled offensively against the Seahawks. What is shoes? Did
you see?
Speaker 6 (22:00):
Well?
Speaker 7 (22:00):
I mean some of the same things that that showed
up in Week one. It's just like each week is
just you know, week to week, depending on your opponent,
depending on your opponent's strengths and weaknesses are different, and
it only take a little couple of little things and
you have, you know, a special teams are that gives
up points, it kills you. Aaron Ryders still made some throws,
some very good throws, but when when you get pressure
(22:23):
on an older quarterback who used to be mobile, who's
just not as mobile anymore, it makes for a difficult time.
And that's why past protection for them is going to
be key this year, because if you can give Aaron
Rodgers some time, he can still throw it. He gets
the ball out quick. You know, he knows where to
go with the football. Obviously you can process quickly, but
you know the rest of the offense as far as
(22:44):
the run game, pass protection, you know, that didn't wasn't
where it needed to be this week, and it wasn't
where it needed to be in Week one either. And
then the thing that thought they'd be able to rely
on is the defense. The defense is really strong and
that's still coming along. So this is one of those things.
I think the defense will kind of come back to
where it needs to be as you get the week
three and four. I think they're much better than how
(23:04):
they're playing place. Smith getting hurt is not going to help,
but luckily it's not season ending. But this is one
where the defense really needs to step up as well.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
JJ McCarthy struggled. Now obviously first game, struggled in the
first half. Some of the second half. They put it together.
They win a game this week. It's just wasn't great, right.
What did the what the Falcons do to confuse the
rookie or second year player but first year.
Speaker 7 (23:31):
Starting, Yeah, I don't know if there's so much confusion.
I actually though I know he didn't play great. I
know the numbers weren't weren't good, but I did see
some positives from from McCarthy because he does show and
it's not consistent yet, but he does show the ability
to be in the pocket, progress through his reads and
anticipate and make make throws. Now one of the bigger
(23:52):
issues right now for Minnesota is Christian Barrissa is not
playing left tackle because he's hurt. So they had justin
school in the game and he got hurt to their
third tackle was in the game. The starting center Ryan
Kelly went out with an injury, so he had a
lot of pressure early. The Falcons did a great job
on the edges getting pressure, which is something that we've
(24:14):
been saying for years, like will they ever add you know,
pass rush help, will they ever add edge help. It
was funny every year in the draft, I thought there
was a number one need and they always went in
a different direction, including when they draft the tennis. But
this year they went out and you know, first two
picks or pass rushers, and those two guys are playing well.
So they got a lot of pressure on McCarthy. But
(24:35):
I still saw some positives in McCarthy's play. But it's
just going to be a process with them. He's essentially
a rookie quarterback. He's seeing everything for the first time.
The defensive line is not quite as strong now as it
was last years Sam Darnold, and that's really due to injury.
It will get back to where it was, so that's
going to help them. But yeah, that was That was
a tough watch last night, and that's kind of the
(24:55):
you know, the life of the rookie quarterback.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
What do NFL people think about the Colts new owner
on the sideline listening to the play calls, taking notes.
Speaker 7 (25:07):
Well, I think from the Colts standpoint, they're just used
to it because she's been doing that for a number
of years, all the way back to when Frank Rich
was there. So for them, it's it's just it's part
of their process. So I think if you're a player,
head coach, you know, if you're secure enough in what
you do, I wouldn't even be concerned about it, wouldn't
be worried about it. So is it different and unique?
Yeah it is, But that's one of the great things
(25:30):
about the Colts. They do some things outside the box,
and that's your mercy legacy right there of just trying
to think outside the box and do some different things.
So but like I said, she's been doing that for
so long. It's uh, you know, for them, it's just
second mature.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
What what tack happened to Justin Fields? I mean again,
you talked about Pittsburgh's defense. He looked great last week.
I mean really, really, what was it? What the Bills do?
Speaker 7 (25:56):
I don't it's I don't mean anything Buffalo did. I
just think it's you know, the type of player that
Justin Fields is. I mean, I know he made some
throws in Week one, but if you look at the
whole body of work over the course of his career,
you know, he's never really been a sit in the
pocket it's third and twelve and be able to convert
those at a high percentage. You know, he's more of
a you know throw Some of our pos use his
(26:18):
seat us his feat the scramble. He used to seat
the scramble to throw, not always the run. But then
if he runs, he's a dynamic runner. But you know
what's kind of cut up with him with in Chicago
and Pittsburgh is just you know, is that traditional staying
in the pocket, I'm third down and reading it out
and making an accurate throw. So it's just kind of
(26:38):
his body of work of what it's been. So he
has to use his feet. They have to have an
offense they can really do that to get him outside
the pocket where it's runner throw. He's such a dynamic athlete,
he's got a strong arm, he's a tremendous leader. He
just got to play into the strengths and trying to
minimize the weaknesses. And you know this week Buffalo really,
you know, went after his weaknesses and did a great job.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
S Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, Okay,
now comes the odd part Raiders Chargers in Vegas. Who wins?
Speaker 7 (27:09):
Well, Doug, I don't do predictions, all right, but the
big thing right now, does Brock Bauers player or not?
And my guess is if he plays, I don't I
don't know if he's going to be one hundred percent.
He's such a big part of that offense. You know,
he's one of their dynamic players. So I'm curious to
see what Chip Kelly does if Rock Buers isn't one
hundred percent or doesn't play, Like, how are they going
(27:30):
to how they going to manage this. So the Raiders
that the question going in the year. With the Raiders
on defense with their secondary and against the Patriots, you
wouldn't have known the difference because their secondary play extremely well.
But this offense has a lot better receivers than the
Patriots do currently. But between the Conki and Keenan Allen,
I think it's gonna be a great test for the
Raiders DBS to see how they can hold up. They
(27:52):
held up this fine against the Patriots. We'll see this week.
So but this is going to be fascinating just to
watch Justin Herbert and and and Gino Smith go at it.
But yeah, I've got this is just for me. I
have twelve years between these two teams, but eleven with
one team and one with the other. But I can't
do prediction on this one.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Tommy, great stuff, man. We're glad you don't do predictions.
We don't like them either. We know you got to run.
Appreciate you being our guest, enjoy watching h enjoy watching
two houses, one that you built and then built and
then built another one that you had a piece of
the building. Thanks for being our guests.
Speaker 7 (28:25):
You got it. Thanks Doug.
Speaker 6 (28:26):
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Speaker 6 (29:37):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 8 (29:43):
Doug six topics to hit you with in a game
that we like.
Speaker 6 (29:46):
To call big deal, Little deal, no deal.
Speaker 8 (29:50):
Now there is the news that JJ McCarthy is dealing
with a high ankle sprain. But we start out with
the Vikings question, big deal, little deal or no deal
that the Vikings didn't score a touchdown on last night's
game again it's to Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
I thought that was a big deal. You have a
lot of talent offensively, you have a coach who's known
as a quarterback whisperer, and your offense. I know you
were out your starting left tackle in your backup left tackle,
but it just it didn't look good. Said, and you're
at home, and you're home, didn't look it? Big deal,
(30:23):
all right?
Speaker 8 (30:23):
Big deal, little deal or no deal that the Browns
got thumped by the Ravens. After Cleveland talked trash this
past week, Grant Delpit saying it wasn't difficult to tackle
Derrick Henry I'm paraphrasing Jerry Judy said that the Ravens
secondary didn't prevent any challenges to them.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Yeah, those are so words that you're eating.
Speaker 8 (30:45):
Final score from Baltimore Ravens forty one, Browns seventeen.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Not really competitive, I will say Dereck Henry didn't do much,
but didn't have to because Lbar Jackson was busy lighting
him up. Right, So, uh, yeah, that's a big deal.
I mean, why are the Browns saying anything?
Speaker 8 (31:04):
Yeah, I think a lot of us were wondering.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Why are you saying anything that that's a big deal.
That's a clown show. Just win football games. Let that
speak for you.
Speaker 8 (31:15):
Dylan Gabriel got in the game, went three for three
for nineteen yards and a touchdown. A spin off on
that big deal, little deal or no deal that ESPN
reported prior to that Browns Ravens kickoff that Shadoor Sanders
was going to be drafted by the Ravens, but Shadoor
and his people said they didn't want to go to Baltimore. That,
(31:35):
according to Adam Schefters, had a big deal, a little
deal of no deal.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Wait tell that all right? Sorry, the Shore door Sanders story.
Speaker 6 (31:46):
The Ravens had the third pick in the fifth rounds
Ravens wanted to select Door got back to them that
Schador did not want to play in a spot where
he couldn't earn a starting.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Spot, right, And so again, I think that's a huge deal.
It's it's telling the real story for the damage that
the Sanders crew did to his draft ability. And oh yeah,
by the way, like he's right in that. I mean,
if the Browns were an acceptable one, right, you have
(32:15):
a better path to start. But why are you telling
anybody you don't want to be drafted, and then when
you don't get drafted, be like, I can't believe nobody
drafted me. You know, that's the old self fulfilling prophecy.
I think it's a I think it's a big deal.
I think the more you hear about the things that
he did and then his you know, agent, his supporters,
(32:40):
all those everything that he was advised to do, I
think you understand why he landed up where he landed,
landed where he landed, and why he's viewed very differently
in NFL circles despite some talent than he is in
social media and media circles.
Speaker 8 (32:55):
Doug big deal, little deal or no deal that the
New England Patriots out last of the Dolphins on Sunday
thirty three, twenty seven.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Well, how crazy was the way which the game was won?
Right where you have the Dolphins have a punt return
for a touchdown only to give up a kick return
for a touchdown on the very next play. Big deal,
because as bad as the Indie game was week one,
you beat the Patriots, you're at home a right, Well,
(33:24):
we'll figure it out. And Tua, though he still struggles
to get Tyreek Hill going and had some weird comments
after the game, he was accurate in some of the
things he was doing, Like you just survived that game,
win the game, and it takes so much of the
pressure off. You get a punt return for a touchdown,
You're like, man, we're in a great spot here. Then
you give a kick return. I think it's a huge deal.
(33:46):
I think that's a devastating loss. Not all losses are equal.
The Indie loss, it was the first week of the season.
They got embarrassed on the road, didn't play well. They
kind of seemed to really figure too out. But this
loss is like one point five because it was a
home loss and a chance to write the ship.
Speaker 8 (34:02):
I will also say this, the Dolphins thought that they
had tied the game and then they would have had
the extra point to take the lead. But Devon eh
Chan had his stepped out of bounds on what would
have big play.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Yes, it was going to get them to what like
the three or four yards he scored?
Speaker 8 (34:17):
He scored left, yes, but his.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
See, I thought he stepped out down there as well.
I thought he stepped out. I know he stepped out like,
I don't know, ten yards into the run, But I
thought he stepped out towards towards the end zone as well.
Speaker 8 (34:30):
Moving from Sunday to Saturday, big deal, little deal or
no deal, Tennessee's overtime loss to the Georgia Bulldogs in Knoxville.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Gigantic, gigantic, A chance to take down Georgia. You got
him at home? Gigantic. What a great football game? Uh huh?
Like that was one of those like what else that
was different than these acc Big twelve, you know, any
other conference games. That was big time college football, big time.
Speaker 8 (34:56):
College Tennessee had so many opportunities to close that out.
I'm thirty eight to thirty a fourth down. Then when
it's tied at thirty eight, the field goal, they have
a procedure penalty moving them back five yards. Missed the
penalty there, missed the field goal after that penalty, and
then in overtime it was all dogs, all right, big deal,
little deal, of no deal. Notre Dames lost to Texas
(35:16):
A and M on Saturday.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Huge, huge, especially you know, botched extra point costs you
the game at home against A and M. Chance to
have two straight wins over an SEC opponent two straight years,
and now you move to zero and to two. Can
you dig out of it? Yeah? Yeah, you win all
the rest of games. Gotta beat SC. Liking to move
out of it, big out of it? Probably not.
Speaker 8 (35:40):
I think it's going to be extremely difficult for them.
Just the schedule does not you mentioned the USC game.
Maybe maybe Navy is ranked. I mean, I don't know.
I don't know where you have a resume builder or
(36:00):
on that Notre Dame schedule.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
I don't know if they need a resume builder.
Speaker 7 (36:04):
Though.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
The games are so close. If you beat SC, you
gotta win out and and and then we'll see what happens.
Speaker 8 (36:13):
All right, And that's game time.
Speaker 6 (36:18):
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