September 16, 2025 • 48 mins
On a Tuesday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show:Doug weighs in on the controversy involving Tom Brady being in the Raiders coach's booth with a headset on during Monday Night's game against the Chargers.
Doug welcomes New York Times bestselling author Gary Myers onto the show to talk about his new book out called: “Brady vs. Belichick. The Dynasty Debate,” which is out today. Find it wherever you get your books.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Beautiful day in Green Bay. I suspect another beautiful day
in the valley? Is that? That's probably about right. Dan
Buyer's here, Jay Stew's here. We're here and ready to serve,
Rady to serve. This is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Let's
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get after it. Last night as expected, Chargers win, Chargers cover,
Chargers rule, Let Raiders suck. Goodnight now, good night now,
good night Now. Then there was this weird part in
was that the first of the second half. It may
even both halves. I don't know, like that was a
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lot of football. I enjoyed it right because the Texans
Buccaneers game wasn't a great game, and then all of
a sudden it's spun out of control by the Buccaneers
and then Baker Mayfield comes back to save the day,
and we'll get to that in the show. But it
was not a particularly well played game. And then late
in the game there was a ton of action and excitement.
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And then you go to the Chargers game. A lot
of turnovers, especially from Geno Smith, and the Chargers weren't great,
but they got away with a win and now they're
two and zero. But there was this moment I believe
in the first half it may happen again the second
half where they showed the coaches box and Chip Kelly's
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the offensive coordinator of the Raiders, and you know they
always have three guys lined up there, right, You got
Chip Kelly and then two other guys and they all
got their headsets in and they're all taking notes. And
then they panned to three other gentlemen sitting above them,
and there's Tom Brady, like, where's Waldo. A couple things
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to think about. One, the optics were at minimum weird. Two,
why does he insist on wearing a tie or a
suit everywhere he goes? He's like that guy that I
get it. You're rich, you can dress up in all
of the finest habitastary, but you're in a booth watching
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football like everybody else is in a quarter zip.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
And then the third thing was how does the rest
of the league feel about it? I want to discuss that.
I'll give you my thoughts in a second. First, you
heard this from Dan Byer. Let me reiterate what the
NFL said via Brian McCarthy, who apparently is their spokesperson.
There are no policies that prohibit an owner from sitting
in the coach's booth or wearing a headset during a game.
Brady was sitting in the booth in his capacity as
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a limited partner. All personnels sitting in a booth must
abide by policies to prohibit the use of electronic devices
other than the league issued equipment, such as a Microsoft
Service tablet for the Sideline viewing system. Tom continues to
be prohibited to going to a team facility for practices
and production meetings. He may attend production meetings remotely, but
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not attend in person at the team facility or hotel.
He may also conduct an interview off site with a
player like he did last year a couple of times,
including the Super Bowl, and of course with any production
meeting with broadcast teams, it's up to the club, coach
or players to determine what they say in these sessions. Now,
I'm a really opinionated person. I wouldn't have been able
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to last in this space if I didn't have strong opinions.
But Jay stew likes to accuse me of sitting on
the fence over some hot button issues. Well, Jason, here's
my here's my belief on this. Look, there are some
things that are just all bad, there are some things
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that are all good. In this it is, in fact
a little bit more complicated because it's it's my belief.
And remember, I've actually I haven't done a Super Bowl.
I was on the set for the Final Four. And
I've done NCAA tournament games up until the fun of
Four on television. And I've done you know, high level
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college basketball games. I've called some NFL games. I worked
sideline for an NFL TV game as well. So I
don't have I haven't worked out as big a broadcasts
as Brady, not even close. Nor do I have the
personal accomplishments of Brady. But I can tell you that
I've been in those production meetings.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
And.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Here's the first thing I I know that you learn
things in those meetings or in that Friday practice that
you wouldn't otherwise know. I'll give you an example. The
one NFL game that I was able to do sidelines
for the NFL on Fox was Dolphins Broncos. And this is, well, yeah,
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we're getting old, right, this is probably seven years ago,
seven years ago, and it was the game in which
uh Man, what was the quarterback Dan Byer from the
Dolphins who he then went to the Titans played at
a and m Ryan Tannehill. So, Ryan Tannehill was at
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practice Friday. We walk out to practice on a Friday,
and all of a sudden they get to two minute
drill and Ryan Tannehills nowhere to be found. And suddenly
now the backup quarterback is in for him. And I
remember we're talking, we're meeting, and we asked Gase, who
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is there? Adam Gase was there? Was their head coach. Right,
We asked him, like, what happened to what happened to
ten Hill? And so he said he's got some shoulder thing.
He was fine, Tuesday, fine, Wednesday, but it's gotten progressively
worse and he's a game time decision. I'm like okay.
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So then their their communication guy comes in and says, hey,
this is embargoed. You cannot share that information until Sunday.
Like all right, and now look, I'm still, you know,
hosting this show, I'm still on social media. Nothing. So
Brock Osweiler ends up starting on the way to the game.
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The way to the game, Jay Glazier and had a
report that Ryan Tannehill was testing out his arm early
before the Dolphins game and if it wasn't wasn't right,
then he wouldn't start. And so I made the mistake
of tweeting, like following up that yeah, that's that's we'd
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heard that Ryan Tannehill was a game time decision. And uh,
that's what we had observed and been told in a
Friday practice, Right. I was. I thought, you know, Jay
Glazer works for Fox, he's the insider. He hadn't called
me or asked me. He had different sources, and I
had simply tried to support his report on the Fox
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NFL Sunday show. The Dolphins were livid, livid because they
had told me my info was embargoed till Sunday. They
meant the Sunday during the game broadcast, whereas I just
thought it was Sunday and I worked for Fox. Jake
worked for Fox. I'm just supporting him. I didn't know
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they actually complained to the league that I was sharing
inside information when I wasn't. I didn't know, you know,
and I had called and asked, and they were like, hey,
we don't. We won't know until Sunday. We'll let you
know when we know. The point is that there are
things that you get when you're at those Friday meetings,
when you're at the facility. I mean, look, I will
tell you that I think Mike Tannebaum was the was
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the GM and everybody in that building with Andrew and
Matt Gase was the I mean that was the name.
Adam Gase was the head coach. We were talking about coaches,
and to a man, anybody who worked in that building said,
you know who our favorite coach we've had over the
last ten since Jimmy Johnson left was Dan Campbell. They
all loved Dan Campbell, like Dan Campbell should have gotten
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the job. Dan Campbell was the right guy. Dan Campbell
unbelieve what this well before Dan Campbell got the Lion's job,
obviously because he had been the interim with the Dolphins. Anyway,
these are all things that you get when you're there.
So there is the bad to it that there is
insider info and there are things that you find out
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that you should be able to that you can use
and share with other people in the league. Here's the
other side to it. Why it doesn't bother me that
he's so intricately involved. It can make you an unbelievable broadcaster.
I always thought that what I tried to do in
a broadcast was weave in the fact that I'd watched
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more tape than anybody else. I'd been to practice, I'd
talked to more coaches, and so I had more insight
than anybody else. That was my goal, and to that
Brady is not yet, I think, capable of smartly sharing
what he knows without telling you how he got this information.
But he can't, like I've never liked guys that call
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a game from thirty thousand feet, Guys that I call
commentators right where they they don't really know. That's the
thing that Romo brought to the broadcast when he first
got out of the league was he had just got
in the league, so we knew everything that everybody did
because he had studied it, prepared for it. He knew
what they were called, he knew all the different formations,
he knew exactly where the ball was going before was
going okay. But then since he's been out of the league,
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he's not as connected. He doesn't grind as much, and
now he's sort of commentating more than analyzing. So Brady
should use it to be a super powered broadcaster. He's
not again because he's not there as a broadcaster. But
let's go back to the negative side. It's a terrible
look for the league. It's just I mean, especially when
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you factor in It's not just that he owns part
of the Raiders, or that he was at the Raiders practice,
or that he's wearing a headset at the Raiders game
the day after working for Fox, and he's got the
Bears game this week and then the Raiders play the
Bears in two weeks. It's not just that. It's he
worked for the Patriots. He was a quarterback of the
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Patriots during Spygate. It's guilt by association. The Patriots were
like we're told, and again we don't know the reality
to when it went on behind the scenes, did they
film practice, what did they know, how much did they know,
how did they share it? How did they filter it?
But he is Luke didn't remember the Flake Gate. Was Brady,
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however guilty he was or not. That's greaty spygate. Brady
was the quarterback then. So he's part as that Patriot
lore of doing everything, you know, letter of the law
or slightly beyond letter of the law to create an advantage.
Now he's a partial owner of the Raiders, He's heavily
invested in his partner ownership and wants to share information.
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However much they use it doesn't actually matter optically. I
don't think anyone could argue this is not a good
look for the league, And in football circles we all know,
I mean, Dan, you've covered this for twenty five years.
At least no one says paranoid as football coaches about
inside information getting out. Absolutely, And so with that, like,
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I'm conflicted a little bit because I do think it
should make him a superpower broadcaster, and I do think
that whatever their relationship, however much he shares it looks
good for the Raiders to be like, Hey, we're gonna
have a guy who's outside of our family, who's arguably
the most successful, inarguably the most successful quarterback of all time,
and he's going to give us some insight what he sees,
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what he thinks we could do. He's basically a consultant
who paid money to be a consultant. But the NFL
wouldn't release the statement unless they had calls from probably
thirty one team slot yesterday like are you kidding me?
This guy is the lead broadcaster on Fox and he's
got a headset on in the coach's box during a
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Monday night football game? Are you kidding me? And there's
a word that's missing from are you kidding me? Now? Dan,
I know you're not as bothered as other people.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Why I look at it this way. Tom Brady is
in the booth for the Raiders as an owner. The
information that he would get during the week for his
Fox duties, I think is up to the teams that
he's covering on now what they want to relate to
those broadcasters, And it ultimately ends up being a Fox
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problem if the information related in those meetings does not
support the broadcast but I also think that the reason
that Tom Brady was put in the Fox booth is
because he's Tom Brady, and the reason of the breakdown
of the analysis and everything that I've heard, and I
know Jason has a problem with Brady spot in the booth,
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it doesn't bother me as much because I understand why
Fox did it, why Fox put him there, because he's
Tom Brady. So ultimately it just doesn't bother me because
I think it's up to the teams to give the information.
It's out in them if they want to reveal it.
And I don't even know if it matters if Brady
is good or bad for Fox because the reason I
feel he's in the booth is because he's Dob Brady.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Here's Marcus Spears, of course, longtime former pro he's currently
analyst on ESPN on what he thinks of Brady being
in the booth while also calling games.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
It's abhorrent for me for his job. I love it
for his team.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
You five percent owner of the Las Vegas Ratus, sit
way over the hell you want to sit at the game.
If you want to be on the sideline with a
head set on, go go be on the sideline with
the head, the owner, the cult owner is this should
not happen with him being a commentator of NFL football games.
It actually questions the integrity of the NFL. Now, teams
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have to be smart and not divulge information when he's
on a call.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Here's Dan Patrick on how it looks last night.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
I see Tom. He's in the coaches booth. He's there
helping Chip Kelly the offenship. He's got a headset on it,
and I'm thinking, okay, let me look at Tom's schedule
here coming up. That's a direct conflict of interest right now.
Can he do his job for Fox while being the
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minority owner of the Raiders when he goes into talk
to Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams because his job is
to glean information. His job is to and this is
what happens in those production meetings the coaches and players.
They'll tell you things, but they're asking you you can't
use this. Don't use this until game day in the
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flow of a game.
Speaker 7 (15:39):
It's really the.
Speaker 6 (15:40):
Un unspoken embargo on information. Well, if you're the Bears
and Tom Brady comes in knowing you play the Raiders
the following week, then how forthcoming, are you so? Then
Tom's not able to do his job for Fox. On
the surface, it doesn't look good that he's in there
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with a headset on next to the offensive coordinator. The
NFL kind of scoots along and says, yeah, we'll take
a little bit of a hit here, little pr hit,
but that's okay. We still want Tom there. And I
understand that. It just it feels wrong.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
It does it does. I don't know if it is wrong,
and I don't think it really runs that deep. Like
it's like, we feel like there's so much insider trading
and insider information. At the end of the day, every
play is on tape all twenty two. You can see
what everybody does. But it's it's kind of how it feels.
Jay Stu, You're you're kind of a neutral bystander in this.
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What are your thoughts?
Speaker 8 (16:43):
I'm a neutral bias sander who watched the opposing team
of the team that I root for last night. Have
someone who gets inside information from teams and can disperse
that information however he likes. Peter Schrager goes on the
air and says that he talks to Chip Kelly two
or three times a week. I think Peter Schrager in
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that moment was saying, Hey, how neat is this how
connected Tom is? He was telling the rest of the
world that Tom Brady is giving information, sharing information with
the people that are about to play a team that
he just did again, I guess, I guess the NFL
statement is that isn't against the rules. I would argue
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that it's at very best unethical. The old argument about
the steroid days of baseball, it wasn't against the rules
in baseball. So I'm not going to judge his character wrong.
I could judge your character. You're doing something that is unethical.
You know it looks unethical, and you're brash enough to
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sit in the coach's box with a headset on. I
just thought it was a slap in the face to
people that cover the sport. Fox Sports has a decision
to make, and it's very easy. Bring him in studio.
That solves two things. He'll be a much better studio host.
This conflict of interest goes away, and we could actually
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watch a very good commentator beyond the A team and
Greg Wilson.
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authored a new book that's called Brady Versus Belichick, The
Dynasty Debate, which is out today wherever you get your
books are online, if you get audio books as well.
Gary Myers joins us now on The Doug Gottlieb Show
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on Fox Sports Radio and Gary, what pushed you to
write this book?
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Doug, I think that, you know, I'm always looking for
interest and topics to write books about, and this one
in particular just kind of jumped out of me that
I think it's truly like the greatest unanswered debate in
NFL history. There's no real right or wrong answer, but
everybody has an opinion on it. So I decided that
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it was. It was so intriguing to me because there were,
you know, highs and lows, ebbs and flows during the
twenty years together, where early on it was Belichick and
it was both of them, and then it was Brady.
I just just set out to talk to as many
people as I possibly could and put together something that
I thought would be like the defensive look at the
Brady Belichick era, you know, strictly through the lens of
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who deserves the most credit?
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Okay, so what was the process like, how did you
how did you dive into finding out who deserves the
most credit?
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Well? I talked to I talked to a lot of
the players that played for Belichick and were teammates with Tom.
I talked to a bunch of coaches who went against
I looked into their legacies and how they were each
impacted by the controversies, you know, Spygate in the slate date,
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and how that would how history would look at them
as a result of that, and whether that would taint
any of their accomplishments. I think my favorite chapter in
the book really is about Moe Lewis, who was the
Jets linebackers. I'm sure you remember who blasted Drew Bletsoe
in that game in two thousand and one in Foxborough
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that began the Brady era, and Lewis has become sort
of a recluse from football because Jet fans, and I
think very unfairly Doug blame him for the Patriot dynasty
because they're saying, if he didn't do that to Bledsoe,
then we never would have heard of Tom Brady, which
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isn't true because Belichick loved Brady even before he stepped
on the field. But all Lewis was doing was what
he was paid to do. He was a linebacker and
j Bletsoe at a third and ten he was running
around the right end trying to get a first down
on a third and ten and the Jets were up seven,
was five minutes to go, and he was expecting Blesso
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to run out of bounds. He wanted him to run
out of bounds to said. He cut it inside and
his left shoulder or his right shoulder had Blodsoe on
the left side of his chest. And it was the
most brutal hit ive ever seen. And so Mo is
very resentful of Jet fans blaming him. What happened after that,
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when all that really needed to happen was that Jets
had to figure out a way to beat the Patriots,
which I only did once. Then happened to me in
the playoffs, you know, But so Moe has become somewhat
of a football recluse that he just he was okay.
I had to talk him into talking to me. But
once he did, I mean, he was, he was great,
but I kind of hung the Phone's feeling bad for
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him that a big part of his life is no
longer a part of his life because he feels like,
you know, he's just been blamed, and it's kind of ridiculous.
But that's it's.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
So ridiculous, you know, it's funny, Gary, I was that
was the first weekend. That was the first weekend's game after.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Nine to eleven, absolutely right, And I.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Believe it was Sunday Sunday night football.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
No, actually it was. It was a four clock I
think it was four.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
O'clock, okay, And I was. I was watching it at
Siders in Plainville, Connecticut. You're like, well, why do you know?
Because that was that was my first chance. I was
still playing professional basketball but nothing was going on overseas,
so I got to fill in for Todd Wright all night.
And somewhere there's probably a tape kept where I said,
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Drew Bledsoe's out, like the Patriots are done, you know,
And and you know obviously, I can. I can eat
my words today. It is fascinating, right, I mean, he
went to Tampa and he won a Super Bowl, and
I would point out that Belichick, you know, one year
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he won seven games. I think it was seven games
with Cam Newton as quarterback who couldn't throw the ball anymore. Right,
They won games with less than one hundred yards passing,
And I thought that might have been his best coaching
job ever. But as you kind of broke into all
of these interviews, what's the general sense you got from
players now that they're kind of removed from the situation.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yeah, I mean as far as the Cam Newton situation
was concerned, I think that really accentuates the point that Belichick,
for whatever reason, was completely unprepared for the post Brady era.
Even though he pushed him out the door, he didn't
have the successor in the building. He wanted to be Garoppolo,
but I think Jimmy was getting antsy to play. But
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more than that, Brady wanted him out of the building,
and Kraft forced Belichick to trade Garoppolo, and he wund
up trading him to the Niners. Now it turns out,
you know Tom in the seventeen season and the eighteen
season got back to the Super Bowl again, So he
wasn't anywhere near Don and so Garoppolo probably would have
left anyhow, But that didn't prevent Belichick from trying to
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find a quarterback because at some point Brady was going
to stop playing. It turns out he stopped playing for
the Patriots because Belichick didn't want him anymore. But that
was I think that really illustrated how Belichick lost his
touch with personnel, both in drafting and in signing free agents.
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That he lets Brady walk out the door without having
somebody that he said, Okay, this guy's going to play instead.
And you know, the next year that drafted Mac Jones
and they made the playoffs and they lose by thirty
points to the Bills. And then he brings in I
think it was in twenty two, maybe it was twenty two.
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He brings in Matt brings Matt Patricia back and Joe
Judge back, a defensive coach and a special teams coach
who failed as head coaches with the Lions and the Giants,
and he brings them back as Matt Jones's coaches. And
you got a guy who made the playoffs as a rookie,
and you're trying to build on it and make his
coaches a special team's coach and a defensive coach, and
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you know, not surprisingly, Mac Jones won completely backwards. So
I think overall the feelings from the players was that
Belichick was extremely instrumental in the early years of Brady,
and I think you'd have to be foolished not to
think that way. But as as the years went on
and Tom you know, went from being okay, only Peyton
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Manning is better to well, he's as good as Peyton Manning.
Then he's better than Peyton Manning. Now is he as
good as Joe Montana. No, he's better than Joe Montana.
As he took those progressive steps, it became more bratest
team than Belichick's team. And I think the last seven
years was completely Brady.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports, Trader the great
Gary Meyers joining us. He's written this new book it's
about Brady and Belichick, the dynasty debate. I think that's
it's just fascinating, it's absolutely fascinating. Is that why Belichick's
back coaching in college?
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Well, if he wants to prove it come going without Brady.
He's not going to prove it by being in North
Carolina unless he wins the National Championship, which I mean,
I follow college football somewhat, but I don't foresee that
happening in North Carolina. So I don't know. I think
he's in North Carolina, Doug because he loves to coach,
and he didn't have anything else he wanted to do,
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and he's still felt he had the passion for it,
and he knew he wasn't going to get a job
in the NFL, so he took the job at Carolina.
It's a worse time I mean, as you know, to
be a college coach at like in a major university,
because you got to deal with the NILS and the
transfer portal and you have to re recruit your team
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every year. I mean, who wants that where you've never
coached in college before. So it just shows how desperate
he was to coach again, that he throw himself into
the most chaotic time in college sports history.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Well, I can I give you another, maybe a different
way of looking at it.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
I don't know if it's desperate or if it's arrogant.
And here's how what the NFL people have told me.
And again, you've done research, you've done a book. I'm
just you know, sports radio and now coaching. Okay, so
but they said, hey, you know what Belichick and those
guys did best was they were the best at the
waiver wire of anybody. They could find a guy who
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hit Wes Welker, you know, and turn him into a superstar.
And I think there's an arrogance there to where I
love Michael Lombarty, he's actually a family friend, but there's
an arrogance there to where like, hey, we can essentially
every year is for you agency in college football. We
can evaluate better than anybody else, and so we'll be
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able to find diamonds in the rough. Uh and then
use the fact that we're you know, we're Bill Belichick
with the high end guys, we'll be able to even
at North Carolina with less of a budget. I'm sure
they have a really good budget than some of the
big boys. We're just smarter than you, right, because that
was always their thing with how they drafted, that was
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always their thing with how you know, we just we
think we're better at developing. We think we're better at
finding diamonds rup. I think part of it is they
think that, yes it is chaotic, but it's every year
free agency and they can evaluate better than other people.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Well, the evaluation will help if they can find you know,
it's a cliche, but you know they find the diamonds
in the rough kind of guys. But the ones who
have an opportunity to go to LSU or Alabama or
Georgia or Michigan, and you have to figure the money
will probably about the same. Then it comes down to
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Bill Belichick sitting in a seventeen year old's living room
with the kid's parents and they say, this guy's going
to get me into the NFL. Or are they thinking
I don't want to go play for this seventy three
year old. I don't know how long he's going to
be around, and you know, his reputation doesn't really appeal
to me. I think it can go either way. But Doug,
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I think the whole key to whether he has success
in North Carolina is whether he can find a quarterback.
And I don't know that he'll get a five star
quarterback there. If a guy, if a kid wants to
go play, but he proved in New England. He doesn't
have to have He did it with a six round quarterback,
so if he can, I mean, he's never going to
find another Brady. But he doesn't necessarily have to find
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somebody like that. He just has to find somebody who's
really good. And you know, whether he hits Jack Pott
and gets the five star quarterback, or you know, finds
a kid who is sitting on the mentioned in Minnesota
or Nebraska or Michigan or whatever and and thinks he
has potential and then can develop them. Maybe that's the
(30:10):
way he's got to do it. But if he doesn't
get a quarterback, they have no chance, because that's just
the way the game is structured, like.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Especially college football, especially especially Why is Brady still why
is he chasing this Raiders thing?
Speaker 7 (30:31):
Well?
Speaker 2 (30:31):
I think that, Well, he never wanted to get into coaching,
and I mean the great players never want to get
into coaching because the hours are too long. I mean,
you know that's how long those hours are. And he
wanted to be involved in football. And I don't know
where the relationship with Mark Davis started, but.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Almost started when he was leaving and he wanted to
go to the Raiders, right, and at the time the
Raiders had who is Derek Carr and they didn't want
to get rid of Derek Carr.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Well, I think that Mark Davis did want him and
Gruden didn't.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Bruden didn't correct.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Yeah, but I don't know, like what the connection was
if there was a connection prior to that between Davis
and Brady, because now it evolved into, you know, Davis
selling five percent of his team to Tom and five
percent to Tom's partner. I don't know how it evolved
from him wanted to go and play for the Raiders
to agree to sell part of his team to him.
(31:33):
The connection had to be deeper somewhere. I just don't
know what it is. But you know, Tom is incredibly
competitive and this is a way for him to kind
of stay in it. The Raiders are just like an
interesting I wouldn't have guessed. I would have guessed like
the Dolphins because he lives in Florida, or you know,
(31:54):
maybe Craft because he considers him his fifth son. He
would have sold him percent of the Patriots, you know,
with the other ninety five percent is going to stay
in the Craft family. I never would have guessed the Raiders,
especially because it's it's like so far from home, and
you know, Tom is a really good dad, and two
of his kids live in Florida and woelands in New York,
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and you know he travels enough for Fox and to
think that, you know, on his day off, presumably he
flew to Vegas to sit and watch the game last night.
By the way, this whole thing with him sitting with
his sets in the coaches both last night. The NFL
issued some kind of innocuous statement today that you know,
(32:42):
you know, Tom is still not allowed to go in
a facility. All these meetings. The production's meetings have to
be virtual, and that's the rule that how they changed
them this year. Last year couldn't be in the meetings
at all, Doug. Next, this coming week, Brady's got the
Cowboys and the Bears, and he's gonna be last to
sit in the production meetings virtually, and he's allowed to
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talk to players on the field. The following week the
Raiders play the Bears. Is there anybody who doesn't think
that information that Brady picks up on the Bears working
the game this week is not going to be turned
over to the Raiders, who then play the Bears. I mean,
this is this is such an incredible conflict of interest.
And I didn't think that until I saw what happened
(33:25):
last night.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Yeah, the optics, the optics for optics, for optics were
not good.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Optics were not good.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Because because there's there's part of it that I like it.
You know, if you bring it as a broadcaster, the
inside knowledge. But in a in a league which everybody
is paranoid, and considering he was part of the Patriots
with Spygate and all the other stuff. Yeah, it's a
terrible look. It's a terrible look for the golden boy
of the Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
I mean it's Doug. It's fine for him to get
inside knowledge. I mean like Collinsworth and Akman and all
those guys do. Sure they work it really hard, but
they're not working for a team.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Yeah. No, no, I get it. I get it. It's
it's bizarre. Gary, this is gonna be really good. I
know it's gonna be another best seller. Gary Myers New
York Times best selling author, longtime sports writer covering the NFL.
The book is called Brady Versus Belichick, The Dynasty Debate.
It's out today wherever you get your books or your
(34:23):
audio books. Pick it up. Gary, thanks so much for
your time. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Doug, thanks for having me on, and good luck this
basketball season.
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It's one of the more enjoyable segments we do. Guys
created this, and I think this is week two of it.
(35:44):
It's called Tuesday Morning Quarterback.
Speaker 7 (35:45):
Well Tuesday till this is Tuesday Morning Quarterback in the afternoon.
Mondays can be overwhelming. Tuesdays are getting to whatever we
didn't get.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
To on Monday.
Speaker 7 (35:56):
This is Tuesday Morning Quarterback in the.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
After I got it.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
I got several things to get to. I want to start, honestly,
a team that we never talk about unless their coaches
kind of butchering the Duvall, Dovall, the Duval that's it.
That's that's that's the one. Uh. If you watch Jacksonville,
(36:26):
they have a wide receiver who's in his second year
named Brian Thomas Jr. There are at least three, if
not four plays where it was one huge interception. He
quits on a ball over the middle, like literally stopped
in his tracks because he thought it was gonna be
a hospital ball. It was such a thing that Liam
(36:48):
Comb was asked about it after the game and he
sidestepped it smartly as a coach and said, I'll have
to look at it. But for a team that's trying
to figure out Trevor Lawrence, he left Lawrence, hung Lawrence
out to dry several times. It is a massive topic
in Jacksonville. And I don't know how you throw the
(37:10):
guy out there next week when he wanted no part
of getting hit, and that's actually the job of a
wide receiver anyway. I just there was a Tuesday morning
quarterback that we hadn't talked about. I don't think anybody's
talked about in national radio. A very big thing. If
you watch that game, the loss to the Bengals. Obviously
the Bengals have been talked about, but the Jacksonville.
Speaker 8 (37:30):
Jaguars, we talk about another receiver on that deub chart.
So when you're giving Travis hunder a full time reps
at receiver and you're not giving him the reps as
a corner. Through two games, we have not seen a
I think we've seen some catches, but we just haven't
seen that like Heisman Trophy second overall pick kind of
(37:53):
like game changing performance. So at what point, if you're
the Jogs, do you stop with this nonsense of playing
them both ways? You give him full time reps and
he could be the shutdown corner that he was promised
when he first got to Florida State and then renigged
and went to Jackson State and then went to Colorado
and now his uh, his name is up in the
(38:14):
rafters at in Boulder.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Yeah. Again, most people had told us right that he
was better on defense than an offense. And he did
have six targets, only caught three balls. But yeah, I mean,
there's not the dynamic number one overall pick playmaker you
would you would think there yet yet yet yet? All right,
(38:39):
Dan Buyer, will give give me, give me to day.
Speaker 5 (38:41):
Well, I was just gonna say just a couple of
things on that.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
First of all, like we the Brian Thomas thing is
really concerning because of how productive he was last year
for them. And Liam Cohen is brought in. I mean,
these coaches have been brought in. Doug Peterson was in
to make sure that Trevor Lawrence works. Now Liam Cohen
is brought and to make sure that Trevor Lawrence works.
I've seen you mentioned the hospital balls that Trevor Lawrence
(39:05):
has thrown. And maybe Brian Thomas not willing to sacrifice everything.
I think there could be a little bit of responsibility
on the quarterback's shoulders with that. But it is an
interesting scenario because he was really really good last year
and for a division that is apparently for the taking
right now. It's shocking to me that threw two games
(39:25):
in after a stellar rookie season where I think it
was second in the AFC and receiving yards last year,
that we're having a Brian Thomas Junior conversation. And I
just think the jury with Travis Hunters is still out.
But I can understand why Jason is underwhelmed by what
we've had the first two weeks of the season, considering
that the reason the Jaguars took him at number two
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was to be a two way players. That's the reason why.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Okay, I'll give you another one, and I think.
Speaker 5 (39:54):
It has you Iowa samming it, are you?
Speaker 1 (39:57):
I mean, you guys everybody's had chans. Go run your
CA commenting on mine. You know what, go ahead, Dan,
you got one?
Speaker 4 (40:03):
I know no, I'm just I was going to say,
because we we can go back around, but let's go.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Let's go back around.
Speaker 8 (40:09):
I mean, this is a fire segment.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Fire go ahead. Hey, we don't have one at Buyer
have Buyer's remorse on Gottlieb talking too much.
Speaker 5 (40:17):
Well, I was, I was gonna say.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
What stood out to me is Brian Dabole can't win
at all, even when do you think they have a
win in the win column. The Cowboys kick a sixty
four yard field goal and Russell Wilson plays the game
of his career four hundred and fifty yards and three touchdowns,
and then he throws an awful interception in the overtime
(40:43):
which ultimately leads to Dallas kicking the game winning field
goal in that overtime session. And then I know something
that Jason is going to get to in just a
little bit. But now the Giants for the second straight year,
have a player that they cut loose that was supposed
to be a big part of their future thriving in
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another place, and he just cannot win.
Speaker 5 (41:07):
There is nothing that can happen, I think in this
season now.
Speaker 4 (41:10):
To save Brian dables job, considering everything that has happened,
Jackson Dart would have to be better than Tom Brady.
I think for the Giants to keep not only Brian
Dable but Joe Shane around because it is it is
for as good as things could be it ultimately sours
for the Giants, and I think Sunday was the perfect example.
Four hundred and fifty yards, three touchdowns and Wilson throws
(41:33):
a bad pick and over time he ended up losing
the game.
Speaker 8 (41:35):
I didn't see it. Has Dave All been on record
as explaining how he handled the quarterbacks in the last
part of that game. There was a time when Jackson
Dart was playing every other snap. Was that explained in the.
Speaker 5 (41:49):
In the Cowboys game?
Speaker 8 (41:51):
Yeah, no, that's unusual for me.
Speaker 5 (41:55):
Russell Wilson.
Speaker 8 (41:56):
Russell Wilson played like dog crap in Week one and
was very stern on Tuesday when he said he's still
our quarterback. Then he gets late into a game against
the Cowboys and starts going platoon every other snap for
at least a series. When Russell Wilson is playing the
game of his life, it's just such a head scratcher.
(42:19):
I just haven't seen that followed up.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
On It's also just to pub the podcast I want
your Flex podcast, new episode out. Our producer Ian Roddy
putting the bat signal and highlighting the play of one
Daniel Jones and how it affects Brian dabol So new
podcast episode is out.
Speaker 8 (42:40):
Now go ahead, Jesse too, I do want to talk
about the Daniel Jones's teammate. I don't know how many
people around the country know this person, so I'm going
to introduce you to rigo Berto Sanchez. Rigo Berto Sanchez
has been a punter in the NFL for I think
eight or nine years. He went to college at Hawaii.
(43:04):
He grew up kind of near where Aaron Rodgers grew
up in northern California. He's the punter for the Colts.
He's also the first punter in the history of the
NFL well since the Murderer what have you, that has
gone the first two games without punting once. That is
how effective Shane Steigen's offense under Daniel Jones has been.
(43:26):
They have not had to use their punter once in
two games. There, two and zero. And I will say
this Rendon Anthony Rendon of the Angels, he sent Rigaberto
a text with the thumbs up for getting paid for
not working. He also got a text from Deshaun Watson,
So Rigoberto's getting love from a lot of people who
(43:50):
get paid to do nothing. Congratulations to Rigaberto Sanchez and
the Colts. For being two and oh.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
I'm gonna I want to talk about a game that
became crazy exciting and zero people have talked about a
national radio Did you guys watch any of the Panthers
Cardinals game?
Speaker 4 (44:12):
Yeah, we were on the air during it.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
It was I mean it was I think twenty to
three at the half, and I again wasn't paying attention
and Bryce Young kind of caught a heater. I mean
he he really, I mean he threw the about fifty
five times complete thirty five of them, but caught a heater,
started getting his rhythm. They were down twenty seven to
twenty two. Recovered an on sidekick with one fifty five
(44:36):
to go right. It wasn't like there they recovered onside
kick and there's like ten seconds and they had to
chuck it deep like literally recovered it and had a
chance to win the game outright on the road and
couldn't really move the football. There was there was a
big penalty on Arizona on like the third play. I mean,
(44:59):
they had opportunity. But I'm trying to figure out is
Arizona any good? Calvary's been just okay. And last year,
remember Bryce Young got pulled and then got the job
back late in the year, and kind of no one's
talked about Bryce Young this year, just because I think
we'd all come to conclusion that he's too little and
not good enough. All that may be true, but he
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looked really good in the second half. Granted, you know
your second half, you're behind, you're throwing every down, but
he's really really good. And the Panthers we were competitive.
Now they return home. They got the Falcons and the
Patriots on the road, then the Dolphins at home and
Cowboys at home, than the Jets and road. These are
games in which they can win two of these. But again,
(45:43):
Bryce Young, who we thought was a complete bust and
too small to play the position, at least in the
second half. When I was watching it, did not watch
the whole game. I watched when it got exciting, when
he started to catch a heater. It looked really good.
On Sunday.
Speaker 8 (45:54):
As one of the millions of people in this country
that had Arizona as their survive I ever picked on Sunday.
I watched painfully closely to that final five to eight minutes.
I don't know if it was Bryce Young or if
it was the stupidity of the Cardinals defense. There was
(46:15):
one penalty after another, well, one sloppy play after another,
including the on side kick where the idiot on onside
kick protection didn't quite understand that you can't touch the
ball before you go and block somebody.
Speaker 4 (46:32):
There's also the fact that Kyler Murray threw an interception
up twenty seven to nine and a third and three
where if you kick a field goal you may get
a twenty one point lead, but for all intents and purposes, yeah,
the game is over. So he turns it over with
ten minutes to go, allows then Bryce Young to kind
of start this comeback. Also in that game, Jason talks
about the flags and the stupidity of Arizona, and there
(46:56):
were lapses, no doubt, but there was also a personal
foul rough the passer call that kept the drive alive
on a fourth and fifteen that was just atrocious.
Speaker 5 (47:06):
And it was a flag fest in this game.
Speaker 4 (47:09):
And it was it was a tough watch because of
all of the stoppages, of all of the changes, of
all of these things.
Speaker 5 (47:18):
It was just completely frustrating.
Speaker 4 (47:20):
But some of that what happened on Sunday does fall
on the shoulders of Kyler Murray because it all started
with his red zone interception to allow that comeback.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
I'll give you one more guy who I know you
hadn't forgotten because you have a fantasy football podcast. I
drafted in fantasy football. I've been rewarded by it, but
we had forgotten how dynamic Jonathan Taylor is. Like again,
you guys are right in regards to Danny Dimes and
what it means for Brian dabol But the real story
(47:48):
of Danny Dimes is he was good with the Giants
when they had Saquon Barkley, and they didn't have Saquon Barkley,
they didn't have anything right, we got hurt. It was
bad when he was with the Eagles. He's bad with
the Colts. Jonathan Taylor can run it, can catch it.
You know, he had one hundred and sixty five yards
the other day. But he can also catch out of
the backfield. Like He's unbelievable. How good he is again,
(48:13):
I don't know. Got to stay healthy, obviously, but in
a division which I think Dan you mentioned can be had.
We're talking about Jacksonville. Here's India two and zero, and
all we're focusing on is the owner. We're in the
headset and taking notes about, you know, about what the
coaches are doing and the story should be. Jonathan Taylor
(48:34):
is making everybody around him look, especially Danny Diames, look
really really good. All right, Yeah, give us short thoughts again.
We try and cover everything in the NFL, and some
stuff is left on the cutting room floor. That's what
we call Tuesday Morning Quarterback
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and direct from Sherman Oaks, California, and of course Green Bay, Wisconsin.
Beautiful day in Green Bay. I suspect another beautiful day
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Buyer's here, Jay Stew's here. We're here and ready to serve,
Rady to serve. This is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Let's
(00:49):
get after it. Last night as expected, Chargers win, Chargers cover,
Chargers rule, Let Raiders suck. Goodnight now, good night now,
good night Now. Then there was this weird part in
was that the first of the second half. It may
even both halves. I don't know, like that was a
(01:12):
lot of football. I enjoyed it right because the Texans
Buccaneers game wasn't a great game, and then all of
a sudden it's spun out of control by the Buccaneers
and then Baker Mayfield comes back to save the day,
and we'll get to that in the show. But it
was not a particularly well played game. And then late
in the game there was a ton of action and excitement.
(01:32):
And then you go to the Chargers game. A lot
of turnovers, especially from Geno Smith, and the Chargers weren't great,
but they got away with a win and now they're
two and zero. But there was this moment I believe
in the first half it may happen again the second
half where they showed the coaches box and Chip Kelly's
(01:54):
the offensive coordinator of the Raiders, and you know they
always have three guys lined up there, right, You got
Chip Kelly and then two other guys and they all
got their headsets in and they're all taking notes. And
then they panned to three other gentlemen sitting above them,
and there's Tom Brady, like, where's Waldo. A couple things
(02:15):
to think about. One, the optics were at minimum weird. Two,
why does he insist on wearing a tie or a
suit everywhere he goes? He's like that guy that I
get it. You're rich, you can dress up in all
of the finest habitastary, but you're in a booth watching
(02:38):
football like everybody else is in a quarter zip.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
And then the third thing was how does the rest
of the league feel about it? I want to discuss that.
I'll give you my thoughts in a second. First, you
heard this from Dan Byer. Let me reiterate what the
NFL said via Brian McCarthy, who apparently is their spokesperson.
There are no policies that prohibit an owner from sitting
in the coach's booth or wearing a headset during a game.
Brady was sitting in the booth in his capacity as
(03:05):
a limited partner. All personnels sitting in a booth must
abide by policies to prohibit the use of electronic devices
other than the league issued equipment, such as a Microsoft
Service tablet for the Sideline viewing system. Tom continues to
be prohibited to going to a team facility for practices
and production meetings. He may attend production meetings remotely, but
(03:26):
not attend in person at the team facility or hotel.
He may also conduct an interview off site with a
player like he did last year a couple of times,
including the Super Bowl, and of course with any production
meeting with broadcast teams, it's up to the club, coach
or players to determine what they say in these sessions. Now,
I'm a really opinionated person. I wouldn't have been able
(03:50):
to last in this space if I didn't have strong opinions.
But Jay stew likes to accuse me of sitting on
the fence over some hot button issues. Well, Jason, here's
my here's my belief on this. Look, there are some
things that are just all bad, there are some things
(04:11):
that are all good. In this it is, in fact
a little bit more complicated because it's it's my belief.
And remember, I've actually I haven't done a Super Bowl.
I was on the set for the Final Four. And
I've done NCAA tournament games up until the fun of
Four on television. And I've done you know, high level
(04:36):
college basketball games. I've called some NFL games. I worked
sideline for an NFL TV game as well. So I
don't have I haven't worked out as big a broadcasts
as Brady, not even close. Nor do I have the
personal accomplishments of Brady. But I can tell you that
I've been in those production meetings.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
And.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Here's the first thing I I know that you learn
things in those meetings or in that Friday practice that
you wouldn't otherwise know. I'll give you an example. The
one NFL game that I was able to do sidelines
for the NFL on Fox was Dolphins Broncos. And this is, well, yeah,
(05:22):
we're getting old, right, this is probably seven years ago,
seven years ago, and it was the game in which
uh Man, what was the quarterback Dan Byer from the
Dolphins who he then went to the Titans played at
a and m Ryan Tannehill. So, Ryan Tannehill was at
(05:46):
practice Friday. We walk out to practice on a Friday,
and all of a sudden they get to two minute
drill and Ryan Tannehills nowhere to be found. And suddenly
now the backup quarterback is in for him. And I
remember we're talking, we're meeting, and we asked Gase, who
(06:11):
is there? Adam Gase was there? Was their head coach. Right,
We asked him, like, what happened to what happened to
ten Hill? And so he said he's got some shoulder thing.
He was fine, Tuesday, fine, Wednesday, but it's gotten progressively
worse and he's a game time decision. I'm like okay.
(06:32):
So then their their communication guy comes in and says, hey,
this is embargoed. You cannot share that information until Sunday.
Like all right, and now look, I'm still, you know,
hosting this show, I'm still on social media. Nothing. So
Brock Osweiler ends up starting on the way to the game.
(06:57):
The way to the game, Jay Glazier and had a
report that Ryan Tannehill was testing out his arm early
before the Dolphins game and if it wasn't wasn't right,
then he wouldn't start. And so I made the mistake
of tweeting, like following up that yeah, that's that's we'd
(07:19):
heard that Ryan Tannehill was a game time decision. And uh,
that's what we had observed and been told in a
Friday practice, Right. I was. I thought, you know, Jay
Glazer works for Fox, he's the insider. He hadn't called
me or asked me. He had different sources, and I
had simply tried to support his report on the Fox
(07:41):
NFL Sunday show. The Dolphins were livid, livid because they
had told me my info was embargoed till Sunday. They
meant the Sunday during the game broadcast, whereas I just
thought it was Sunday and I worked for Fox. Jake
worked for Fox. I'm just supporting him. I didn't know
(08:04):
they actually complained to the league that I was sharing
inside information when I wasn't. I didn't know, you know,
and I had called and asked, and they were like, hey,
we don't. We won't know until Sunday. We'll let you
know when we know. The point is that there are
things that you get when you're at those Friday meetings,
when you're at the facility. I mean, look, I will
tell you that I think Mike Tannebaum was the was
(08:26):
the GM and everybody in that building with Andrew and
Matt Gase was the I mean that was the name.
Adam Gase was the head coach. We were talking about coaches,
and to a man, anybody who worked in that building said,
you know who our favorite coach we've had over the
last ten since Jimmy Johnson left was Dan Campbell. They
all loved Dan Campbell, like Dan Campbell should have gotten
(08:47):
the job. Dan Campbell was the right guy. Dan Campbell
unbelieve what this well before Dan Campbell got the Lion's job,
obviously because he had been the interim with the Dolphins. Anyway,
these are all things that you get when you're there.
So there is the bad to it that there is
insider info and there are things that you find out
(09:07):
that you should be able to that you can use
and share with other people in the league. Here's the
other side to it. Why it doesn't bother me that
he's so intricately involved. It can make you an unbelievable broadcaster.
I always thought that what I tried to do in
a broadcast was weave in the fact that I'd watched
(09:28):
more tape than anybody else. I'd been to practice, I'd
talked to more coaches, and so I had more insight
than anybody else. That was my goal, and to that
Brady is not yet, I think, capable of smartly sharing
what he knows without telling you how he got this information.
But he can't, like I've never liked guys that call
(09:51):
a game from thirty thousand feet, Guys that I call
commentators right where they they don't really know. That's the
thing that Romo brought to the broadcast when he first
got out of the league was he had just got
in the league, so we knew everything that everybody did
because he had studied it, prepared for it. He knew
what they were called, he knew all the different formations,
he knew exactly where the ball was going before was
going okay. But then since he's been out of the league,
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he's not as connected. He doesn't grind as much, and
now he's sort of commentating more than analyzing. So Brady
should use it to be a super powered broadcaster. He's
not again because he's not there as a broadcaster. But
let's go back to the negative side. It's a terrible
look for the league. It's just I mean, especially when
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you factor in It's not just that he owns part
of the Raiders, or that he was at the Raiders practice,
or that he's wearing a headset at the Raiders game
the day after working for Fox, and he's got the
Bears game this week and then the Raiders play the
Bears in two weeks. It's not just that. It's he
worked for the Patriots. He was a quarterback of the
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Patriots during Spygate. It's guilt by association. The Patriots were
like we're told, and again we don't know the reality
to when it went on behind the scenes, did they
film practice, what did they know, how much did they know,
how did they share it? How did they filter it?
But he is Luke didn't remember the Flake Gate. Was Brady,
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however guilty he was or not. That's greaty spygate. Brady
was the quarterback then. So he's part as that Patriot
lore of doing everything, you know, letter of the law
or slightly beyond letter of the law to create an advantage.
Now he's a partial owner of the Raiders, He's heavily
invested in his partner ownership and wants to share information.
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However much they use it doesn't actually matter optically. I
don't think anyone could argue this is not a good
look for the league, And in football circles we all know,
I mean, Dan, you've covered this for twenty five years.
At least no one says paranoid as football coaches about
inside information getting out. Absolutely, And so with that, like,
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I'm conflicted a little bit because I do think it
should make him a superpower broadcaster, and I do think
that whatever their relationship, however much he shares it looks
good for the Raiders to be like, Hey, we're gonna
have a guy who's outside of our family, who's arguably
the most successful, inarguably the most successful quarterback of all time,
and he's going to give us some insight what he sees,
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what he thinks we could do. He's basically a consultant
who paid money to be a consultant. But the NFL
wouldn't release the statement unless they had calls from probably
thirty one team slot yesterday like are you kidding me?
This guy is the lead broadcaster on Fox and he's
got a headset on in the coach's box during a
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Monday night football game? Are you kidding me? And there's
a word that's missing from are you kidding me? Now? Dan,
I know you're not as bothered as other people.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Why I look at it this way. Tom Brady is
in the booth for the Raiders as an owner. The
information that he would get during the week for his
Fox duties, I think is up to the teams that
he's covering on now what they want to relate to
those broadcasters, And it ultimately ends up being a Fox
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problem if the information related in those meetings does not
support the broadcast but I also think that the reason
that Tom Brady was put in the Fox booth is
because he's Tom Brady, and the reason of the breakdown
of the analysis and everything that I've heard, and I
know Jason has a problem with Brady spot in the booth,
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it doesn't bother me as much because I understand why
Fox did it, why Fox put him there, because he's
Tom Brady. So ultimately it just doesn't bother me because
I think it's up to the teams to give the information.
It's out in them if they want to reveal it.
And I don't even know if it matters if Brady
is good or bad for Fox because the reason I
feel he's in the booth is because he's Dob Brady.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Here's Marcus Spears, of course, longtime former pro he's currently
analyst on ESPN on what he thinks of Brady being
in the booth while also calling games.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
It's abhorrent for me for his job. I love it
for his team.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
You five percent owner of the Las Vegas Ratus, sit
way over the hell you want to sit at the game.
If you want to be on the sideline with a
head set on, go go be on the sideline with
the head, the owner, the cult owner is this should
not happen with him being a commentator of NFL football games.
It actually questions the integrity of the NFL. Now, teams
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have to be smart and not divulge information when he's
on a call.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Here's Dan Patrick on how it looks last night.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
I see Tom. He's in the coaches booth. He's there
helping Chip Kelly the offenship. He's got a headset on it,
and I'm thinking, okay, let me look at Tom's schedule
here coming up. That's a direct conflict of interest right now.
Can he do his job for Fox while being the
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minority owner of the Raiders when he goes into talk
to Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams because his job is
to glean information. His job is to and this is
what happens in those production meetings the coaches and players.
They'll tell you things, but they're asking you you can't
use this. Don't use this until game day in the
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flow of a game.
Speaker 7 (15:39):
It's really the.
Speaker 6 (15:40):
Un unspoken embargo on information. Well, if you're the Bears
and Tom Brady comes in knowing you play the Raiders
the following week, then how forthcoming, are you so? Then
Tom's not able to do his job for Fox. On
the surface, it doesn't look good that he's in there
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with a headset on next to the offensive coordinator. The
NFL kind of scoots along and says, yeah, we'll take
a little bit of a hit here, little pr hit,
but that's okay. We still want Tom there. And I
understand that. It just it feels wrong.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
It does it does. I don't know if it is wrong,
and I don't think it really runs that deep. Like
it's like, we feel like there's so much insider trading
and insider information. At the end of the day, every
play is on tape all twenty two. You can see
what everybody does. But it's it's kind of how it feels.
Jay Stu, You're you're kind of a neutral bystander in this.
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What are your thoughts?
Speaker 8 (16:43):
I'm a neutral bias sander who watched the opposing team
of the team that I root for last night. Have
someone who gets inside information from teams and can disperse
that information however he likes. Peter Schrager goes on the
air and says that he talks to Chip Kelly two
or three times a week. I think Peter Schrager in
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that moment was saying, Hey, how neat is this how
connected Tom is? He was telling the rest of the
world that Tom Brady is giving information, sharing information with
the people that are about to play a team that
he just did again, I guess, I guess the NFL
statement is that isn't against the rules. I would argue
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that it's at very best unethical. The old argument about
the steroid days of baseball, it wasn't against the rules
in baseball. So I'm not going to judge his character wrong.
I could judge your character. You're doing something that is unethical.
You know it looks unethical, and you're brash enough to
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sit in the coach's box with a headset on. I
just thought it was a slap in the face to
people that cover the sport. Fox Sports has a decision
to make, and it's very easy. Bring him in studio.
That solves two things. He'll be a much better studio host.
This conflict of interest goes away, and we could actually
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watch a very good commentator beyond the A team and
Greg Wilson.
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It's the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. He's
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Gary Myers joins us now on The Doug Gottlieb Show
(18:50):
on Fox Sports Radio and Gary, what pushed you to
write this book?
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Doug, I think that, you know, I'm always looking for
interest and topics to write books about, and this one
in particular just kind of jumped out of me that
I think it's truly like the greatest unanswered debate in
NFL history. There's no real right or wrong answer, but
everybody has an opinion on it. So I decided that
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it was. It was so intriguing to me because there were,
you know, highs and lows, ebbs and flows during the
twenty years together, where early on it was Belichick and
it was both of them, and then it was Brady.
I just just set out to talk to as many
people as I possibly could and put together something that
I thought would be like the defensive look at the
Brady Belichick era, you know, strictly through the lens of
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who deserves the most credit?
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Okay, so what was the process like, how did you
how did you dive into finding out who deserves the
most credit?
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Well? I talked to I talked to a lot of
the players that played for Belichick and were teammates with Tom.
I talked to a bunch of coaches who went against
I looked into their legacies and how they were each
impacted by the controversies, you know, Spygate in the slate date,
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and how that would how history would look at them
as a result of that, and whether that would taint
any of their accomplishments. I think my favorite chapter in
the book really is about Moe Lewis, who was the
Jets linebackers. I'm sure you remember who blasted Drew Bletsoe
in that game in two thousand and one in Foxborough
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that began the Brady era, and Lewis has become sort
of a recluse from football because Jet fans, and I
think very unfairly Doug blame him for the Patriot dynasty
because they're saying, if he didn't do that to Bledsoe,
then we never would have heard of Tom Brady, which
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isn't true because Belichick loved Brady even before he stepped
on the field. But all Lewis was doing was what
he was paid to do. He was a linebacker and
j Bletsoe at a third and ten he was running
around the right end trying to get a first down
on a third and ten and the Jets were up seven,
was five minutes to go, and he was expecting Blesso
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to run out of bounds. He wanted him to run
out of bounds to said. He cut it inside and
his left shoulder or his right shoulder had Blodsoe on
the left side of his chest. And it was the
most brutal hit ive ever seen. And so Mo is
very resentful of Jet fans blaming him. What happened after that,
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when all that really needed to happen was that Jets
had to figure out a way to beat the Patriots,
which I only did once. Then happened to me in
the playoffs, you know, But so Moe has become somewhat
of a football recluse that he just he was okay.
I had to talk him into talking to me. But
once he did, I mean, he was, he was great,
but I kind of hung the Phone's feeling bad for
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him that a big part of his life is no
longer a part of his life because he feels like,
you know, he's just been blamed, and it's kind of ridiculous.
But that's it's.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
So ridiculous, you know, it's funny, Gary, I was that
was the first weekend. That was the first weekend's game after.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Nine to eleven, absolutely right, And I.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Believe it was Sunday Sunday night football.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
No, actually it was. It was a four clock I
think it was four.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
O'clock, okay, And I was. I was watching it at
Siders in Plainville, Connecticut. You're like, well, why do you know?
Because that was that was my first chance. I was
still playing professional basketball but nothing was going on overseas,
so I got to fill in for Todd Wright all night.
And somewhere there's probably a tape kept where I said,
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Drew Bledsoe's out, like the Patriots are done, you know,
And and you know obviously, I can. I can eat
my words today. It is fascinating, right, I mean, he
went to Tampa and he won a Super Bowl, and
I would point out that Belichick, you know, one year
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he won seven games. I think it was seven games
with Cam Newton as quarterback who couldn't throw the ball anymore. Right,
They won games with less than one hundred yards passing,
And I thought that might have been his best coaching
job ever. But as you kind of broke into all
of these interviews, what's the general sense you got from
players now that they're kind of removed from the situation.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yeah, I mean as far as the Cam Newton situation
was concerned, I think that really accentuates the point that Belichick,
for whatever reason, was completely unprepared for the post Brady era.
Even though he pushed him out the door, he didn't
have the successor in the building. He wanted to be Garoppolo,
but I think Jimmy was getting antsy to play. But
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more than that, Brady wanted him out of the building,
and Kraft forced Belichick to trade Garoppolo, and he wund
up trading him to the Niners. Now it turns out,
you know Tom in the seventeen season and the eighteen
season got back to the Super Bowl again, So he
wasn't anywhere near Don and so Garoppolo probably would have
left anyhow, But that didn't prevent Belichick from trying to
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find a quarterback because at some point Brady was going
to stop playing. It turns out he stopped playing for
the Patriots because Belichick didn't want him anymore. But that
was I think that really illustrated how Belichick lost his
touch with personnel, both in drafting and in signing free agents.
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That he lets Brady walk out the door without having
somebody that he said, Okay, this guy's going to play instead.
And you know, the next year that drafted Mac Jones
and they made the playoffs and they lose by thirty
points to the Bills. And then he brings in I
think it was in twenty two, maybe it was twenty two.
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He brings in Matt brings Matt Patricia back and Joe
Judge back, a defensive coach and a special teams coach
who failed as head coaches with the Lions and the Giants,
and he brings them back as Matt Jones's coaches. And
you got a guy who made the playoffs as a rookie,
and you're trying to build on it and make his
coaches a special team's coach and a defensive coach, and
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you know, not surprisingly, Mac Jones won completely backwards. So
I think overall the feelings from the players was that
Belichick was extremely instrumental in the early years of Brady,
and I think you'd have to be foolished not to
think that way. But as as the years went on
and Tom you know, went from being okay, only Peyton
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Manning is better to well, he's as good as Peyton Manning.
Then he's better than Peyton Manning. Now is he as
good as Joe Montana. No, he's better than Joe Montana.
As he took those progressive steps, it became more bratest
team than Belichick's team. And I think the last seven
years was completely Brady.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports, Trader the great
Gary Meyers joining us. He's written this new book it's
about Brady and Belichick, the dynasty debate. I think that's
it's just fascinating, it's absolutely fascinating. Is that why Belichick's
back coaching in college?
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Well, if he wants to prove it come going without Brady.
He's not going to prove it by being in North
Carolina unless he wins the National Championship, which I mean,
I follow college football somewhat, but I don't foresee that
happening in North Carolina. So I don't know. I think
he's in North Carolina, Doug because he loves to coach,
and he didn't have anything else he wanted to do,
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and he's still felt he had the passion for it,
and he knew he wasn't going to get a job
in the NFL, so he took the job at Carolina.
It's a worse time I mean, as you know, to
be a college coach at like in a major university,
because you got to deal with the NILS and the
transfer portal and you have to re recruit your team
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every year. I mean, who wants that where you've never
coached in college before. So it just shows how desperate
he was to coach again, that he throw himself into
the most chaotic time in college sports history.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Well, I can I give you another, maybe a different
way of looking at it.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
I don't know if it's desperate or if it's arrogant.
And here's how what the NFL people have told me.
And again, you've done research, you've done a book. I'm
just you know, sports radio and now coaching. Okay, so
but they said, hey, you know what Belichick and those
guys did best was they were the best at the
waiver wire of anybody. They could find a guy who
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hit Wes Welker, you know, and turn him into a superstar.
And I think there's an arrogance there to where I
love Michael Lombarty, he's actually a family friend, but there's
an arrogance there to where like, hey, we can essentially
every year is for you agency in college football. We
can evaluate better than anybody else, and so we'll be
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able to find diamonds in the rough. Uh and then
use the fact that we're you know, we're Bill Belichick
with the high end guys, we'll be able to even
at North Carolina with less of a budget. I'm sure
they have a really good budget than some of the
big boys. We're just smarter than you, right, because that
was always their thing with how they drafted, that was
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always their thing with how you know, we just we
think we're better at developing. We think we're better at
finding diamonds rup. I think part of it is they
think that, yes it is chaotic, but it's every year
free agency and they can evaluate better than other people.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Well, the evaluation will help if they can find you know,
it's a cliche, but you know they find the diamonds
in the rough kind of guys. But the ones who
have an opportunity to go to LSU or Alabama or
Georgia or Michigan, and you have to figure the money
will probably about the same. Then it comes down to
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Bill Belichick sitting in a seventeen year old's living room
with the kid's parents and they say, this guy's going
to get me into the NFL. Or are they thinking
I don't want to go play for this seventy three
year old. I don't know how long he's going to
be around, and you know, his reputation doesn't really appeal
to me. I think it can go either way. But Doug,
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I think the whole key to whether he has success
in North Carolina is whether he can find a quarterback.
And I don't know that he'll get a five star
quarterback there. If a guy, if a kid wants to
go play, but he proved in New England. He doesn't
have to have He did it with a six round quarterback,
so if he can, I mean, he's never going to
find another Brady. But he doesn't necessarily have to find
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somebody like that. He just has to find somebody who's
really good. And you know, whether he hits Jack Pott
and gets the five star quarterback, or you know, finds
a kid who is sitting on the mentioned in Minnesota
or Nebraska or Michigan or whatever and and thinks he
has potential and then can develop them. Maybe that's the
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way he's got to do it. But if he doesn't
get a quarterback, they have no chance, because that's just
the way the game is structured, like.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Especially college football, especially especially Why is Brady still why
is he chasing this Raiders thing?
Speaker 7 (30:31):
Well?
Speaker 2 (30:31):
I think that, Well, he never wanted to get into coaching,
and I mean the great players never want to get
into coaching because the hours are too long. I mean,
you know that's how long those hours are. And he
wanted to be involved in football. And I don't know
where the relationship with Mark Davis started, but.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Almost started when he was leaving and he wanted to
go to the Raiders, right, and at the time the
Raiders had who is Derek Carr and they didn't want
to get rid of Derek Carr.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Well, I think that Mark Davis did want him and
Gruden didn't.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Bruden didn't correct.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Yeah, but I don't know, like what the connection was
if there was a connection prior to that between Davis
and Brady, because now it evolved into, you know, Davis
selling five percent of his team to Tom and five
percent to Tom's partner. I don't know how it evolved
from him wanted to go and play for the Raiders
to agree to sell part of his team to him.
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The connection had to be deeper somewhere. I just don't
know what it is. But you know, Tom is incredibly
competitive and this is a way for him to kind
of stay in it. The Raiders are just like an
interesting I wouldn't have guessed. I would have guessed like
the Dolphins because he lives in Florida, or you know,
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maybe Craft because he considers him his fifth son. He
would have sold him percent of the Patriots, you know,
with the other ninety five percent is going to stay
in the Craft family. I never would have guessed the Raiders,
especially because it's it's like so far from home, and
you know, Tom is a really good dad, and two
of his kids live in Florida and woelands in New York,
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and you know he travels enough for Fox and to
think that, you know, on his day off, presumably he
flew to Vegas to sit and watch the game last night.
By the way, this whole thing with him sitting with
his sets in the coaches both last night. The NFL
issued some kind of innocuous statement today that you know,
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you know, Tom is still not allowed to go in
a facility. All these meetings. The production's meetings have to
be virtual, and that's the rule that how they changed
them this year. Last year couldn't be in the meetings
at all, Doug. Next, this coming week, Brady's got the
Cowboys and the Bears, and he's gonna be last to
sit in the production meetings virtually, and he's allowed to
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talk to players on the field. The following week the
Raiders play the Bears. Is there anybody who doesn't think
that information that Brady picks up on the Bears working
the game this week is not going to be turned
over to the Raiders, who then play the Bears. I mean,
this is this is such an incredible conflict of interest.
And I didn't think that until I saw what happened
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last night.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Yeah, the optics, the optics for optics, for optics were
not good.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Optics were not good.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Because because there's there's part of it that I like it.
You know, if you bring it as a broadcaster, the
inside knowledge. But in a in a league which everybody
is paranoid, and considering he was part of the Patriots
with Spygate and all the other stuff. Yeah, it's a
terrible look. It's a terrible look for the golden boy
of the Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
I mean it's Doug. It's fine for him to get
inside knowledge. I mean like Collinsworth and Akman and all
those guys do. Sure they work it really hard, but
they're not working for a team.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Yeah. No, no, I get it. I get it. It's
it's bizarre. Gary, this is gonna be really good. I
know it's gonna be another best seller. Gary Myers New
York Times best selling author, longtime sports writer covering the NFL.
The book is called Brady Versus Belichick, The Dynasty Debate.
It's out today wherever you get your books or your
(34:23):
audio books. Pick it up. Gary, thanks so much for
your time. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Doug, thanks for having me on, and good luck this
basketball season.
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It's one of the more enjoyable segments we do. Guys
created this, and I think this is week two of it.
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It's called Tuesday Morning Quarterback.
Speaker 7 (35:45):
Well Tuesday till this is Tuesday Morning Quarterback in the afternoon.
Mondays can be overwhelming. Tuesdays are getting to whatever we
didn't get.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
To on Monday.
Speaker 7 (35:56):
This is Tuesday Morning Quarterback in the.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
After I got it.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
I got several things to get to. I want to start, honestly,
a team that we never talk about unless their coaches
kind of butchering the Duvall, Dovall, the Duval that's it.
That's that's that's the one. Uh. If you watch Jacksonville,
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they have a wide receiver who's in his second year
named Brian Thomas Jr. There are at least three, if
not four plays where it was one huge interception. He
quits on a ball over the middle, like literally stopped
in his tracks because he thought it was gonna be
a hospital ball. It was such a thing that Liam
(36:48):
Comb was asked about it after the game and he
sidestepped it smartly as a coach and said, I'll have
to look at it. But for a team that's trying
to figure out Trevor Lawrence, he left Lawrence, hung Lawrence
out to dry several times. It is a massive topic
in Jacksonville. And I don't know how you throw the
(37:10):
guy out there next week when he wanted no part
of getting hit, and that's actually the job of a
wide receiver anyway. I just there was a Tuesday morning
quarterback that we hadn't talked about. I don't think anybody's
talked about in national radio. A very big thing. If
you watch that game, the loss to the Bengals. Obviously
the Bengals have been talked about, but the Jacksonville.
Speaker 8 (37:30):
Jaguars, we talk about another receiver on that deub chart.
So when you're giving Travis hunder a full time reps
at receiver and you're not giving him the reps as
a corner. Through two games, we have not seen a
I think we've seen some catches, but we just haven't
seen that like Heisman Trophy second overall pick kind of
(37:53):
like game changing performance. So at what point, if you're
the Jogs, do you stop with this nonsense of playing
them both ways? You give him full time reps and
he could be the shutdown corner that he was promised
when he first got to Florida State and then renigged
and went to Jackson State and then went to Colorado
and now his uh, his name is up in the
(38:14):
rafters at in Boulder.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Yeah. Again, most people had told us right that he
was better on defense than an offense. And he did
have six targets, only caught three balls. But yeah, I mean,
there's not the dynamic number one overall pick playmaker you
would you would think there yet yet yet yet? All right,
(38:39):
Dan Buyer, will give give me, give me to day.
Speaker 5 (38:41):
Well, I was just gonna say just a couple of
things on that.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
First of all, like we the Brian Thomas thing is
really concerning because of how productive he was last year
for them. And Liam Cohen is brought in. I mean,
these coaches have been brought in. Doug Peterson was in
to make sure that Trevor Lawrence works. Now Liam Cohen
is brought and to make sure that Trevor Lawrence works.
I've seen you mentioned the hospital balls that Trevor Lawrence
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has thrown. And maybe Brian Thomas not willing to sacrifice everything.
I think there could be a little bit of responsibility
on the quarterback's shoulders with that. But it is an
interesting scenario because he was really really good last year
and for a division that is apparently for the taking
right now. It's shocking to me that threw two games
(39:25):
in after a stellar rookie season where I think it
was second in the AFC and receiving yards last year,
that we're having a Brian Thomas Junior conversation. And I
just think the jury with Travis Hunters is still out.
But I can understand why Jason is underwhelmed by what
we've had the first two weeks of the season, considering
that the reason the Jaguars took him at number two
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was to be a two way players. That's the reason why.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Okay, I'll give you another one, and I think.
Speaker 5 (39:54):
It has you Iowa samming it, are you?
Speaker 1 (39:57):
I mean, you guys everybody's had chans. Go run your
CA commenting on mine. You know what, go ahead, Dan,
you got one?
Speaker 4 (40:03):
I know no, I'm just I was going to say,
because we we can go back around, but let's go.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Let's go back around.
Speaker 8 (40:09):
I mean, this is a fire segment.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Fire go ahead. Hey, we don't have one at Buyer
have Buyer's remorse on Gottlieb talking too much.
Speaker 5 (40:17):
Well, I was, I was gonna say.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
What stood out to me is Brian Dabole can't win
at all, even when do you think they have a
win in the win column. The Cowboys kick a sixty
four yard field goal and Russell Wilson plays the game
of his career four hundred and fifty yards and three touchdowns,
and then he throws an awful interception in the overtime
(40:43):
which ultimately leads to Dallas kicking the game winning field
goal in that overtime session. And then I know something
that Jason is going to get to in just a
little bit. But now the Giants for the second straight year,
have a player that they cut loose that was supposed
to be a big part of their future thriving in
(41:03):
another place, and he just cannot win.
Speaker 5 (41:07):
There is nothing that can happen, I think in this
season now.
Speaker 4 (41:10):
To save Brian dables job, considering everything that has happened,
Jackson Dart would have to be better than Tom Brady.
I think for the Giants to keep not only Brian
Dable but Joe Shane around because it is it is
for as good as things could be it ultimately sours
for the Giants, and I think Sunday was the perfect example.
Four hundred and fifty yards, three touchdowns and Wilson throws
(41:33):
a bad pick and over time he ended up losing
the game.
Speaker 8 (41:35):
I didn't see it. Has Dave All been on record
as explaining how he handled the quarterbacks in the last
part of that game. There was a time when Jackson
Dart was playing every other snap. Was that explained in the.
Speaker 5 (41:49):
In the Cowboys game?
Speaker 8 (41:51):
Yeah, no, that's unusual for me.
Speaker 5 (41:55):
Russell Wilson.
Speaker 8 (41:56):
Russell Wilson played like dog crap in Week one and
was very stern on Tuesday when he said he's still
our quarterback. Then he gets late into a game against
the Cowboys and starts going platoon every other snap for
at least a series. When Russell Wilson is playing the
game of his life, it's just such a head scratcher.
(42:19):
I just haven't seen that followed up.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
On It's also just to pub the podcast I want
your Flex podcast, new episode out. Our producer Ian Roddy
putting the bat signal and highlighting the play of one
Daniel Jones and how it affects Brian dabol So new
podcast episode is out.
Speaker 8 (42:40):
Now go ahead, Jesse too, I do want to talk
about the Daniel Jones's teammate. I don't know how many
people around the country know this person, so I'm going
to introduce you to rigo Berto Sanchez. Rigo Berto Sanchez
has been a punter in the NFL for I think
eight or nine years. He went to college at Hawaii.
(43:04):
He grew up kind of near where Aaron Rodgers grew
up in northern California. He's the punter for the Colts.
He's also the first punter in the history of the
NFL well since the Murderer what have you, that has
gone the first two games without punting once. That is
how effective Shane Steigen's offense under Daniel Jones has been.
(43:26):
They have not had to use their punter once in
two games. There, two and zero. And I will say
this Rendon Anthony Rendon of the Angels, he sent Rigaberto
a text with the thumbs up for getting paid for
not working. He also got a text from Deshaun Watson,
So Rigoberto's getting love from a lot of people who
(43:50):
get paid to do nothing. Congratulations to Rigaberto Sanchez and
the Colts. For being two and oh.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
I'm gonna I want to talk about a game that
became crazy exciting and zero people have talked about a
national radio Did you guys watch any of the Panthers
Cardinals game?
Speaker 4 (44:12):
Yeah, we were on the air during it.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
It was I mean it was I think twenty to
three at the half, and I again wasn't paying attention
and Bryce Young kind of caught a heater. I mean
he he really, I mean he threw the about fifty
five times complete thirty five of them, but caught a heater,
started getting his rhythm. They were down twenty seven to
twenty two. Recovered an on sidekick with one fifty five
(44:36):
to go right. It wasn't like there they recovered onside
kick and there's like ten seconds and they had to
chuck it deep like literally recovered it and had a
chance to win the game outright on the road and
couldn't really move the football. There was there was a
big penalty on Arizona on like the third play. I mean,
(44:59):
they had opportunity. But I'm trying to figure out is
Arizona any good? Calvary's been just okay. And last year,
remember Bryce Young got pulled and then got the job
back late in the year, and kind of no one's
talked about Bryce Young this year, just because I think
we'd all come to conclusion that he's too little and
not good enough. All that may be true, but he
(45:21):
looked really good in the second half. Granted, you know
your second half, you're behind, you're throwing every down, but
he's really really good. And the Panthers we were competitive.
Now they return home. They got the Falcons and the
Patriots on the road, then the Dolphins at home and
Cowboys at home, than the Jets and road. These are
games in which they can win two of these. But again,
(45:43):
Bryce Young, who we thought was a complete bust and
too small to play the position, at least in the
second half. When I was watching it, did not watch
the whole game. I watched when it got exciting, when
he started to catch a heater. It looked really good.
On Sunday.
Speaker 8 (45:54):
As one of the millions of people in this country
that had Arizona as their survive I ever picked on Sunday.
I watched painfully closely to that final five to eight minutes.
I don't know if it was Bryce Young or if
it was the stupidity of the Cardinals defense. There was
(46:15):
one penalty after another, well, one sloppy play after another,
including the on side kick where the idiot on onside
kick protection didn't quite understand that you can't touch the
ball before you go and block somebody.
Speaker 4 (46:32):
There's also the fact that Kyler Murray threw an interception
up twenty seven to nine and a third and three
where if you kick a field goal you may get
a twenty one point lead, but for all intents and purposes, yeah,
the game is over. So he turns it over with
ten minutes to go, allows then Bryce Young to kind
of start this comeback. Also in that game, Jason talks
about the flags and the stupidity of Arizona, and there
(46:56):
were lapses, no doubt, but there was also a personal
foul rough the passer call that kept the drive alive
on a fourth and fifteen that was just atrocious.
Speaker 5 (47:06):
And it was a flag fest in this game.
Speaker 4 (47:09):
And it was it was a tough watch because of
all of the stoppages, of all of the changes, of
all of these things.
Speaker 5 (47:18):
It was just completely frustrating.
Speaker 4 (47:20):
But some of that what happened on Sunday does fall
on the shoulders of Kyler Murray because it all started
with his red zone interception to allow that comeback.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
I'll give you one more guy who I know you
hadn't forgotten because you have a fantasy football podcast. I
drafted in fantasy football. I've been rewarded by it, but
we had forgotten how dynamic Jonathan Taylor is. Like again,
you guys are right in regards to Danny Dimes and
what it means for Brian dabol But the real story
(47:48):
of Danny Dimes is he was good with the Giants
when they had Saquon Barkley, and they didn't have Saquon Barkley,
they didn't have anything right, we got hurt. It was
bad when he was with the Eagles. He's bad with
the Colts. Jonathan Taylor can run it, can catch it.
You know, he had one hundred and sixty five yards
the other day. But he can also catch out of
the backfield. Like He's unbelievable. How good he is again,
(48:13):
I don't know. Got to stay healthy, obviously, but in
a division which I think Dan you mentioned can be had.
We're talking about Jacksonville. Here's India two and zero, and
all we're focusing on is the owner. We're in the
headset and taking notes about, you know, about what the
coaches are doing and the story should be. Jonathan Taylor
(48:34):
is making everybody around him look, especially Danny Diames, look
really really good. All right, Yeah, give us short thoughts again.
We try and cover everything in the NFL, and some
stuff is left on the cutting room floor. That's what
we call Tuesday Morning Quarterback
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