Lakers-Spurs, LeBron James, Paul George, and Jameis Winston

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What up. Welcome in. This is the Herd wherever you
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three or maybe no NBA stars come plus all all right,
welcome in. If you're just joining us, that's good because
we just started. The Lakers and the Celtics have engaged
the Spurs in trade talks. It reopened some trade talks

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between those two teams and the San Antonio Spurs for
Kawuahi Leonard, which of course comes on the back of
the news overnight which is not surprising that Paul George
is going to opt out of his contract with the
Oklahoma City Thunder, making him a free agent, which is
of course financially wise to do. Why would you take

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and even we're gonna stay in Oklahoma City, why would
you take you know, more than ten million dollars less
just to stay in a place where you can sign
a long term deal. So the the news isn't surprising
in regards to Paul George it's not terribly surprising in
regards to Kawaid Leonard, this whole idea of no, really,

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we could keep a player who only played nine games
for us and said he was hurt. We don't know
if he really is injured. We could keep a player
for an entire year only to lose him because we
kept him out of spite. Oh, we could keep and
we can hold onto him. That relationship is done. They

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are moving on. They will move him, and the team
with the best assets is the Celtics. But why would
they use their best assets to trade were a guy
who has apparently told everyone around him he wants to
end up on the other side of the country. Which
brings us to the most important free agent in this

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entire thing. It's not Chris Paul who could be a
free agent. It's not Kawai Leonard is not a free agent.
It's not even Lebron James. The fact is that Paul
George has suddenly been thrust into this most important free
agent in recent history of the NBA, and not just

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because of his own talents. There's two parts to it. First,
there's the idea of getting Paul George. If you're the Lakers,
or getting Paul George if you're the Thunder. If you're
the Lakers, you get Paul George the senses that probably
cements that you'll get Lebron James. And if you can

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get those two, do you have to move mountains to
get Kawhi Leonard. You could keep your young core intact
and then have Kawhi Leonard potentially signed as a free
agent next year. It's a double win for the Lakers.
If Paul George remains in Oklahoma City, it's a win

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not just for this Thunder team, but for any team
that chooses to take on a player who has one
year left in their deal and has told people he
wants to end up somewhere else. The Paul George thing
is big because he told everybody I want to be
a Laker. The season went okay with Oklahoma City, and
now he still may stay with Oklahoma City again. It's

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not just about these two teams, or about landing Lebron James,
or about how it affects the landscape of the West.
This could completely and totally change how we look at
guys who say I don't want to be there. Remember
Chris Weber famously said didn't want to be in Sacramento,

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and that ended up being probably the best spot of
his entire career. Other players have held teams hostage and
they've gotten their way. In this particular case, Paul George,
who by some reports could have been a Cleveland Cavalier
for Lebron James and simply said he was staying. Paul George,
who some people believe the Indiana Pacers should have traded

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to the Boston Celtics instead out of spite, they traded
to the Oklahoma City thunder Paul George, who, let's just
be honest, Indiana seemed to win that trade. He didn't
want to be there. It was a declining asset. They
got a Victor Oladipo, the league's most improved player, and
they got Domas Sabonis as well. Two starters are starter
and a half for a guy who was going to

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leave at the end of this season anyway. But we've
gotten to this weird place to where the best player
is not the most important free agent. The best free
agent is the best player, but it's not the one
that changes, or at least temporarily changes much of the

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landscape of the sport. I mean, think of it in
kind of all that in levels of importance. I don't
know which ranks where, but I would say for the Lakers,
any sort of confidence or even arrogance about getting Kawhi

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Leonard next year suddenly becomes tension and pressure because well,
now you're not gonna get Paul George. Here's ESPN s
agent war Zanowski on what's changed with Paul George. Potentially
stay in Oklahoma City. He's become comfortable in Oklahoma City.
He liked playing for that organization. He liked he really
likes Sam Presty, the g M, Billy Donovan, the coach.

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He's really gotten along and enjoyed playing with Russell Westbrook.
It takes a while to adjust playing with russ And
while they were disappointed to get knocked out early in
the playoffs against Utah, Um, you know, he can run
it back there, make more money in the short term. Um,
you know, do a short deal, a long deal in
Oklahoma City, and then get back out on the free

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agent market here again during the prime of his career.
And there are other situations. Philadelphia is going to recruit
Paul George hard. They have a max slot available. Um,
so he's got a lot of options a year ago,
this time he thought he was going to the Lakers.
His thinking has changed. His mind is much more open. Yeah,
I mean, like listen, his mind is open. Asrielznowski just

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tweeted out, Boston's extremely cautious on Leonard front. There's so
much uncertainly with Leonard's future, health, free agent desires, et cetera.
Will Leonard be the same players hard to tell. Celtics
don't have to make risky trades, have no intention of
doing so. It's an interesting dance. Like so much of
this is about leverage for the Spurs. They don't really

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have any right. The best leverage they can have is, well,
just give him away, or we'll sit on him for
a year and we'll offer him more money that he
can make elsewhere. But when a guy doesn't want to
work at a place and no one wants to pick
up the tab for a guy to to, you know,
to get his services because of health, future, personality, all

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those different quirky, quirky things to him, all Boston is
doing is dumpster diving, dude, this is what they did
last year. They're sitting there going like, let's find something
that's of great value and pay as little forward as possible.
That's what they did with Kyrie Irving. That's what they're
gonna try and do with Kawhi Leonard. But it feels

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like the re engagement tells you all you need to know.
The Spurs are trying to drive up the price, knowing
ultimately the one who can pay, the who is willing
to pay and has the reason to pay the highest price,
is this is the Lakers. That feels like a deal
that's gonna get done, which brings us all the way

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back to Paul George. If Paul George stays in Oklahoma City,
and I don't think he does the short term deal
for a guy who broke his leg in half on
national TV, I'm just guessing he's gonna take the long term,
long term contract. That's a guess. But if he stays,

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it hurts the validity of of Magic Johnson's ability to
say he's a closer, a great recruiter. It changes the
thought of any of star players wanting to play with
Lebron James. But maybe most importantly, it could potentially change
this whole idea of hey, don't take a guy with

(08:46):
one year left in his contract because he's gonna want
out anyway. Because if Paul George from southern California wants
to be a the Laker, and the Lakers want him,
and he spends nine months or eight months in Oklahoma
City and suddenly he's like, hey, you know what, that's fine,
but I'm going to stay in the Sooner state. Doesn't

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that change how we look at pending free agents. I
didn't say he was the best free agent. He's the
most important because he has the lynchpin to the ultimate
plan as well as potentially a changer of narratives about
players controlling where they want to be fascinating fascinating times

(09:32):
in the NBA. The problem with chasing the Paul George
stuff is really simple. It's a lot like steroid guy
in baseball or steroid guy in football. You know, this
is the Julian Edelman and Julian Edelman saying I don't
know what I tested positive for and oh yeah, by

(09:53):
the way, they screwed it up in a chain of
custody like chain of custody that that sounds like Ryan Brown,
who ultimately did it and I don't know what I took,
just rings cold. Why do we not believe any guy
who tests positive for p E d S because so
many other guys have tested positive for d E p DS,
denied it and then proven to be liars ultimately right.

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The same could be said for Paul George. No matter
what he says, or how comfortable he appears to be,
or the things that are leaked out from his camp.
Kevin durant Ley led everyone to believe that he was
coming back, including Russell Westbrook, and yet the entire time,
in the back of his mind was the Warriors, and

(10:39):
ultimately he chose to go with the Hampton Five. No
matter what we hear from Paul George's camp, were still
left with the thought of he's going to end up
a Laker because that's what he's always wanted, and he's
just trying to make a nice exit from town, saying
all the right things, but ultimately saying he wants to
go home. It isn't a knock on Paul George to

(11:00):
call him a liar because we assume that everybody's lying
to us. What's what's the reward for telling us the truth?
Do the Lakers need a star player to land Lebron
James or can they just get Lebron James and assume
ultimately they're going to get other star players. We'll find

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out next. Doug Gottlieban for Colin, this is the Herd
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This is the Herd. Colin will be back Monday, and
we think we think we'll have at least some answers
July one free agency banana U, But oftentimes we know
before we know. Sehn Devny covers the NBA for Sporting News.

(12:08):
He authored a piece yesterday which I found to be
really really interesting, and it talks about if Lebron James
needs another star player before he decides to leave Cleveland
and head to l A. The conventional wisdom is, Hey,
Lebron's going, but he ain't going alone. Let's bring in
Shawan Devny, who joins us now in the herd. Is

(12:30):
conventional wisdom accurate that Lebron ain't going by himself, you know,
not necessarily and and I say that with the knowledge
that whatever Lebron decides to do uh in the next
week to ten days, UH, it's going to wind up
being uh what he wants. It's going to wind up

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with him and at least one other star going to
l A. That that that's not going to UH. That
that that that that plan is still and much in place.
The question is who what what what is the timing
and and and who goes first? Uh. It doesn't have
to be that that the Kauhi Leonard trade to to
l A has to go through, or that Paul George
has to say I'm going to l A. Uh. Lebron

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could could could jump on this quickly uh and and
and would be willing to jump on it quickly knowing
that the Lakers, that Magic Johnson and Rob Polinka have
a plan in place to bring in at least somebody else.
If we go back to the two thousand and fourteen
when he left Miami and and and went to the Calves, UH,
he did much the same thing. You know, that was
a team that they had Kyrie Irving, but he was

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only twenty two and uh and and was still sort
of unproven in terms of his ability to be a winner.
Uh they had the number one pick Andrew Wiggins. Uh
that they didn't have a whole lot else, but Lebron
was willing to go there knowing that there was going
to be, uh you know, some plan to bring in
some other players eventually. The course they made the Kevin
Love trade, so uh you know that's that that could

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sort of be the pattern here, uh for for the
Ron to go to l a where he cane be
willing to go there first, uh, and then and then
watch them bringing the other players after Seawan Devny Sporting
News join us. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is the Herd
on Fox Sports Radio. It's interesting because I started the
show with this thought that obviously Lebron James a transcendent player,

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the better player, but in many ways Paul George may
be the more important player. And here's why. One, if
he goes to the Lakers, it feels like a foregune conclusion.
Why wouldn't Lebron go Two, if he goes to Lakers,
they don't have to move out in to get Kauai
Leonard and trade trade some of their young talent in
order to get Kauai, because you'd already have at least
two players. He still might do it anyway, but you'd

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have at least two, but three, And maybe this is
the most important part. We all operator on this assumption
that Paul George was going to l a come come
hell or high water, and just you know, eight or
nine months with Oklahoma City where they lose in the
first round to the Utah jazz Um. Suddenly now he
changed his mind, decides, you know what, I liked it all.

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Wouldn't this change how teams would look at renting a
player and if they can get him to resign long term? Yeah,
and and and and you wonder what effect that would
have on teams interested in Kawhi Leonard. Uh. You know
where he's he's doing much the same things as Paul
George did at this time last year, where he's saying
I'm going to go to l A. His his agents

(15:22):
are telling people he's going to sign with the Lakers. Uh,
you know, the Celtics want to get involved, the Sixers
want to get involved. Don't do it. He's going to
sign with the Lakers next summer. Well, you know, if
you're if you're Philadelphia, for instance, and and you know
you've got a talented team, a fifty game winner from
last year, and and and a team that that Kauai
would fit pretty well on. Uh, you know, all of

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a sudden, you're thinking, well, look, we've we've got Brett Brown,
who spent a long time as a as a Spurs
assistant when Kauai was there. We've got a chance to
win a championship, at least get to the finals with
this team. We've got some good young players and and
and and eyes that that a guy like Kawai Leonard
would like to play with. Maybe it's worth the risk,
and and and if they find that they're not able

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to get anybody else and in free agency, which is
entirely possible, they've got plenty of cap space, but it
might be tough for them to to sign one of
the big time guys because there aren't that many out there. Uh.
Then then all of a sudden, you know, maybe that
does change the the six is thinking. And and certainly
the Paul George pattern if he stays in Oklahoma City. Now, now, maybe, uh,

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if you're Philadelphia, say okay, we'll take that chance. I
will point out that when I hear the Lakers h
and yes, the Celtics are re engaging in talks with
the Spurs. I like, I don't know if it's pessimism
or optimism. It depends on where you sit on it.
But it feels it feels like that's ultimately where he's

(16:48):
gonna end up, doesn't it. I just like they will
they can get the most they can get in return
for a trade is to trade him to the Lakers,
and the Lakers UH need him in order to make
this kind of dream become a reality. It feels whether
it's a marriage of convenience or whatever, it feels like
the most likely thing to happen once they start talking,

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and everybody gets a little bit of pressure because deadlines
bring deals. Do you get the same thing? Or am
I overreacting to this news? Yeah? And I think you're
you're right in that. And I think people might say, well, wait,
the Celtics could give could give the Spurs more. Uh,
but why would they Why would they? Exactly right that
the Lakers would be willing to to to give up

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the farm here because they're taking less of a risk.
They know that they can resign this guy, whereas the Celtics.
You know now you're talking about Uh, you know, they've
got two potential lottery picks next year. If you give
up both of those, Uh, and you're gonna give up
what Jandon Brown as well for a guy that you
might only have for a here that you know that.
I'm not sure that the Celtics who want to do that,
so so they're gonna be much you know, they're there

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are much less of a of a motivated buyer than
the Lakers are. And and and so I do think
that that in yeah, and you have the Lakers can
can give them the best package. Uh. And it's uh,
it's hard to see why the Spurs in the end. Uh.
You know, you'd have to be really stubborn and you'd
have to really really dislike the Lakers to hurt your
own team just to not send it to the Lakers,

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you know. And I don't think that that they're going
to be that petty. Yeah, I think the big question
for the Lakers is do you do you and if
you have to include you're you know, one of your
best young players? Uh, do they want Lonzo Balls as
part of it? And I would think the answer is yes,
even though they like their young point guard is all
defensive team. But do they Kyle Kuzma or Brandon Ingram.

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If you can hold onto one, who do you hold
on too? I think you hold on to Kuzma. He
makes less money and he appears to be a he's
gonna be a better blend guy with other star players. Um,
that would be. That would be my that would be
if I was in that media, I would say, let's
let's stick with Kuzma, even though Ingram might average more points.

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The fact is, you don't need more scoring. You don't
need what Ingram brings the table if you're bringing the
others in. Yeah, and and and I think the fact
that that Kuzma right now is is that to believe
he's twenty three uh and and uh Ingram is not
even twenty one yet. I think that's a factor as well,
is that, you know, look, we need we need guys

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who are ready to uh to contribute right now. And
and Ingram as good as he was last year and
as much upside as he has, you know, I don't
know that the Lakers are going to want to wait
a couple of years to see what his ceiling is.
I think they'd be willing to uh to give him
up obviously, uh uh It's tough because you know, you
could see that what his development was over the course

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of last year. But I think you want to try
to win now and and and if you're bringing in, uh,
you know, at least two star players, and uh that
I think Kuzma is this guy that you want to
keep because uh, you know, you're, you're, you're probably gonna
be throwing him into the playoff fire within a few
months here. And you want a guy who's who's who's
a little more mature, a little more uh consistent, a
little more what you would hope would be ready for

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that kind of pressure. Yeah, more refined. Check out his
work and Sporting News followhim on Twitter. John Devony sean
great stuff. Obviously, this is ah a not surprisingly busy
time of the year. Appreciate you joining us here in
the herd. All right, thanks John Devony joining us on
in the Herd on Fox Sports Radio. Let's bring in
star newsman John Goulay. Turn this is the herd line.

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What do you got who likes? According to Mark Sign
of the New York Times, by the way, Stein has
been killing it. Yes, I just I want to point
this out. I feel like I missed him and now
I'm so happy he's back doing stuff. Yeah. Obviously we
both worked with stein over at the other place and
stein Um, I don't know how it went down that
he left. What I was told was, look, Woad came in,
and Woad brought all his guys that he could from Yahoo.

(20:52):
He couldn't bring Mannix because I think Mannix has other
stuff where he makes a much funny doing other other things.
But all the rest of those guys he came in,
and that you served all the former ESPN guys who
went elsewhere. And sty now writes for the New York
Times and has been doing a really really good job. Yes,
and uh not surprisingly he is reporting that the Dallas
Mavericks have engaged in trade talks with the Clippers for

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center DeAndre Jordan's. I'm not sure why the MAVs are
so obsessed with getting DeAndre Jordan's. Uh. Now, the Clippers
had told him him and his agent he could seek
out of trade, and now if they can't work one out,
he could just opt out and become a free agent
and sign elsewhere. Remember the MAVs try to sign Jordan
three years ago and he agreed and then backed out

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and Cuban got upset. I guess Cuban is over it.
Do you understand this fascination with Jordan's that the MAVs have,
especially considering he's a center in a in a you know,
perimeter oriented league. Now, yeah, well, look, he's a he's
an incredible rim protective, yes, okay, an incredible finisher around
the bread sure. Um So, I mean like he's not

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as athletic on the perimeter as Clint Capella. Um, and
he's probably not as good as shot blockers count Capella,
but he's bigger, a better rebounder, and probably a better
finisher than Capella. And so it's a similar role. That's
the only type of big guy you really need these
days in the NBA. You know, he's not a post
up guy. Um So that would be part of it.

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I think. Also, isn't this the last year of his contract? Right?
If he's traded his last year and the last year
he has a player, so he can opt in and
basically he would opt in and be traded immediately. That's
kind of the plan, which I don't understand from the
MAVs perspective. Why not just tell him, hey, opt out
and we'll sign you I don't. I doubt the MAVs
have that much caps face tied up with people. I

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think that's the actually the issue. It's it's it's always
a cap issue. And how you it is interesting though
they're like three years later this could get done right,
but that that's what happened with this, what happened with
the MAVs with Darren Williams. Remember, um, there was a
time which Mark Cuban want to Darren Williams and Light Howard.
That was his his dream too. That was the Nets

(23:03):
plan as well. Right, Oh, they're gonna get Dwight Howard
and Darren Williams. And remember Darren Williams got himself traded
out of Utah to the Nets, but they never got
Dwight Howard. Dwight Howard broke down, Darren Williams broke down.
But a couple of years later Darren Williams did end
up in a Dallas Mavericks uniform. What's their fascination with him?

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I guess that he's the great Rim protector. Lebron likes
him as well, so even though he can't make a
free throw, it's a little bit better than he used
to be. And I do think that he's just a
massive skyscraper body that if you're gonna play dirt Navitski,
who can't guard anybody, takes him like two hours of
physical therapy a day just to get him to play.
You gotta have somebody behind him who can protect the

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rim when guys are going by. Hi left for him.
The Lakers have made a qualifying offer to forward Julius Randall,
which officially makes him a restricted free agents, which means
the Lakers will have the opportunity to match any contract
that is offered to him. The Lakers are hoping they
will have to renounce him in a way because that
would imply that they have signed some big name free

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agents and therefore would not have to pay Julius Randall.
It's coming off the best season of his career. He
was a sixteen and eight guy. It's kind of a
weird situation for the Lakers, but he's also it's also
one of those best player in a bad team. Right. Sure,
he played better, but he played better on a team
that was a non playoff team. It feels like the
Lakers like him and they would love to keep him,
but keeping him means they didn't accomplish their ultimate goal.

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And with the crop of free agents next offseason, don't
they likely just end up renouncing him anyway, because you
can't sign with what they what they'd like to do,
what they'd really like to do, if if again, if
they strike out on the other guys, or if they
had the Cats bases fill up some of the cap
space with a short term deal for him, like they
did with K. C. P this year, like the Sixers

(24:51):
did with J. J. Reddick, that's not likely to happen
now at his age. That's tough to do. Yeah, look,
he's he's a he's a he's a backup small ball five.
That what he is. And and the layman fans like
sixteen a game, he should be a starter. Okay, where
he didn't shoot it well enough to stretch the floor,
he didn't defend the rim like he's become a good player.
He's not a great player, and he's one that he's

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got to be your fourth or fifth or sixth best
player if you really want to be good. But that's
the news, stuck John Goulay with the news. Well that's
the news, herdine. So basically, we have a game with
chicken right now. The game of chicken. You've seen it

(25:35):
in movies before, where you know, the ultimate game of
chicken is standing on a railroad track and you know
who's the last one to jump off for the train
comes with the two cars heading each other's way. Like
that just sounds like the dumbest thing ever. Yeah, I can,
I can. My My two choices are I can almost

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die or I can die. Oh that sounds like a
fun game. But this is this is the proverbial game
of chicken. What are the other games that we always use?
Game of telephone? You guys know what the game of
telephone is? Game of telephone used to sit line people
up in a circle or straight line whatever, and the

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teacher or the leader would say something in somebody's ear
and they would turn and in in in kind, say
it in somebody else's ear, and it would pass down
through I don't know, two, three, five, ten people, and
by the time it gets to the end of the
game of telephone, the message is usually completely different than
it was previously. And we know this to be a

(26:41):
great parallel to life because, for example, Ryan Music, who
produces my show The Doug Gotlip Show, which follows this
show daily on Fox Sports, tradio. I can tell Ryan something.
Who can tell John Goulay something, Who can tell Greg
Twoey something. We could tell Colin Coward something, would tell
Greg you know, Scott Shapiro's it comes back to me
and it's something totally different. There's the game of telephone.

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It's a little bit like um. Stephen A Today, stephen
A today went on ESPN and said that he was
woken up by two calls in the middle of the night,
that guys who were trying to that that said Lebron
James had reached out to Kevin Durant to see if

(27:26):
he wanted a team up. It's possible. This is a
game of telephone. It's it's it's possible that Lebron James
did reach out to Kevin Durant, did ask him about
Los Angeles. It's also possible that he just asked him,
are you sure you're resigning? Any chance you have any
any desire to team up? We like, we just don't

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know how a And we don't know if it was
Lebron James himself reaching out or through Rich Paul or
through somebody else, or just texting KD what you're gonna do?
But the game. We know games of chicken, which is
what the Lakers and the Spurs we know. The game
of telephone. Um, I'd say twister is another game. There's

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also chess, you know, like you just describe something against
chess where there's some sacrificial pieces for more important parts,
which is kind of what happens in the NBA with
your salary cap. Like, look, we really like Alonzo Ball,
but if we have to sacrifice Alonzo Ball, who's like
a is Alonzo Ball rook or a night? Like he's

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not a pawn, but he's also not a queen or
a king. He's more in the rook or night sort
of category. Like if you have to sacrifice rooks and
knights and all of your pawds to get to to
save your queen and save your king, well, then damn
you do it. But the game at nick and is

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very simple. The Lakers are a little bit up against
it because if they can get Kauai before free agency hits,
they can almost assuredly get Lebron James and maybe get
Paul George as well. On the other hand, time is
on their side because if Kauai truly wants to be

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a Laker, the smart thing is for him to play
wherever else for one more year and then come aboard
rushing the process of leaving a year early. We've seen it,
even leaving months early. That was the downfall of the Knicks.
The Knicks had a good young roster. They had they
done a post Isaiah Thomas. They've done a nice job

(29:43):
of turning over their roster and what they do. Carmelo
Anthony wanted to become a Nick. He told everybody, including
Denver Um that he wanted to become a Nick. And
because the c b A was set to expire, because

(30:03):
there was going to be a work stoppage, he freaked
out and pushed them to make a deal early. And
remember they made a huge deal with the Denver Nuggets.
The next year, the Nuggets made the playoffs and the
Nicks never recovered. That's the challenge for the Lakers. The
Lakers are in good shape. No, Brandon Ingram is not

(30:24):
a superstar. He might not be a star. Is a
good player. If he's your third best player, you got
a pretty good team. If he's your fourth best player,
you got a damn good team. Kyle Kuzum, if he's
your fifth or sixth best player. If a Lonzo Ball
is your fourth or fifth best player, like you're in
good shape. And so the question becomes for the Spurs, like, look,

(30:47):
the Lakers really need Kauai Leonard, but they don't have
to offer a full dollar for dollar, face for face,
guy for guy value because you're not gonna get it
elsewhere in the open market. The Spurs can hold on
to Quiet, but he doesn't want to be there. He
might not play, and if he does play doesn't matter.
He could leave and you don't get anything in return.

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On the other hand, they know the Lakers need him
and could really use him right now. Because they get
him right now, it locks him up to get Lebron
James and they might get Paul George as well. I
don't think the Spurs holding on to Kawhi Leonard has
anything to do with Kauai, you know, whether or not
Kauai plays in the West against them, Like that's one

(31:31):
of those will pretend like we really care and like
we don't want to trade him to the Lakers, But
that's not what this is about. Smart people make the
best possible move they can make like that. This happens
in our industry all the time. Guys going to leave
an organization, and whether it's here or CBS or NBC

(31:58):
or ESPN or ABC, are they gonna leave? And now
they're not really up for another six months. Look at
here's what we'll do. We'll let him out of his contract. Now,
we'll stop paying him now knowing he's gonna leave. But hey,
can you help us out with this one college football game?
You know, we all have the picking order that happens.

(32:20):
Remember when al Michael's left Monday Night Football to go
to NBC. They traded for some cartoons. Right, does what happened?
He wand out he was gonna leave, no longer wanted
to work for the mouse, so he was going to
work for NBC. And what happened, Uh, I believe ESPN
got some rights back to some old cartoons. So this

(32:43):
is the classic game of chicken, where at some point
the clip of the Spurs or the Lakers will blink,
we'll freak out, we'll jump off the track. They'll both
declare themselves winners. But I do think there's a parallel

(33:05):
there between what happened to the Knicks when they traded
for Carmelo Anthony a year early. It's a cautionary tale.
If you're the Lakers and you think hey will trade.
I've heard people on on radio and on television say
we'll move just we'll move mountains. Here's a piece of
paper right down. Who you want. You can have any anybody.
That's what the Knicks did to the Nuggets. It's an

(33:31):
uneducated statement to say that's a smart strategy just so
you can get Quiet Leonard, who I think is the
third best player in the NBA. And everyone's worried about
super teams in the NBA, But have we ever thought
that the that by locking players into their current teams,

(33:52):
we might actually make super teams stronger. I'll explain next.
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store and online, subject to credit approval. US only Doug
gottlieb in for Colin and uh. If if Lebron goes
to l A, it will be something he will be
doing something in his career that he has never done.
And it's it strikes I don't know, it strikes all

(34:35):
of us as odd. If you really stop and look
at the potential ramifications for his remarkable career if he
ends up in l A. I'll explain that at the
top of the hour. We got a great show for you.
Chris brusarg is gonna join us next hour. Eddie House
will join us in the third hour of the show.

(34:55):
Not sure if you watch. Do you guys watch College
World Series? My brother coaches up in Oregon State, so
of course I was watching last night. Down to the
last strike, a foul ball that three Arkansas Razorbacks. One
guy always do is catch it. You got all these
Razorback fans with their cell phones filming it because nobody
actually watches things with their eyes anymore. Right, Instead of

(35:19):
watching it there, people are filming it thinking that's the
final out of the College World Series and Arkansas would
win it. Instead, the ball falls to the ground, Oregan
State comes back. Now they play for a title tonight
in Omaha. Are we get that? A little bit later,
I thought this was really interesting though, um Chris Mannox

(35:43):
was He was on with Clay Travis earlier this morning. Right,
Clay Travis has the show out kicked the coverage early
mornings here on the West Coast Mornings on the East coast,
it's three to six Eastern time, West coast six to
nine East Coast time. Here's what Chris Mannix Yahoo NBA Insider,
also you can hear on weekends on Fox Sports Radio,

(36:06):
had to say about small market teams getting gutted because
of player movement. Now, let's say everything comes together with
the Lakers. They're able to acquire Kauai and they get
Paul George and Lebron to go there. That's three big
time A List stars that go from small market teams
to the big market team, and that would go against

(36:28):
everything that Adam Silver has been trying to accomplish over
the last few years. So if that happens, you know,
be prepared for a you know, a firestorm you know
from these small market teams. But finding new ways to
fix the system. That's Chris Mannox earlier today. Yeah, they're
gonna try and fix the system. The problem is if
you fix the system to make it harder for players

(36:50):
to move, if you've gotten in under the wire, you're good, right,
Like that's that'd be actually good news for the yours
and good news for the Lakers, and good news for
the Boston Celtics. For example, who might have their own
homegrown talent. But there's a way in which guy, it's

(37:10):
harder and harder and harder for players to leave financially
or simply impossible. A hard cap, because look, this is
a hard ish cap. You know what this is. This
is like, um, Google, you probably know what's that stuff
called that. We used to have it when I was
a kid on top of ice cream and it creates

(37:33):
a shell. It's like chocolate syrup, and then it creates
a shell on top. Yeah, once it gets something cold,
it hardens. Yes, Yes, any idea what that is? Ryan Music,
you have no idea what that is. You've you've heard
of it, but you don't know it, so that means
you don't know, right, you know it's okay? I mean, like, listen,

(37:54):
this is kind of an old school type of thing, man.
Somebody tweet me at Godlie show. I forget what it
was called or is a It's basically like chocolate syrup
you put on the top of an ice cream cone
or on top of a bowl of ice cream, and
then it hardens and becomes like a crust. The magic
shell is one kind of it. There's several different kinds

(38:15):
to the point is this, that's what that's what the
luxury tax is right now in the NBA. Like, it's
not a hard cap, but it's a hard ish cap.
The Oklahoma City Thunder, if they resigned Paul George to
a Supermax extension and assuming they have Jeremy Grant on

(38:36):
the roster, their roster because of not just luxury tax,
but because of repeater tax, will be in the neighborhood
of three hundred million dollars. It's a hundred and something
like a hundred eleven million dollar cap. All the rest
will be paid in Texas. So that's not a hard cap.

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It doesn't mean you can't do it. It just means
it makes it really, really really painful and really expensive
to do it. It's like a magic shell. It's kind
of it's like magic said. You're like, oh no, that's hard. No,
No it's not. You can still break through it, right,
you still get goole. When you get an ice cream cone,

(39:18):
do you have a do you have a way in
which do you bite the ice cream? Do you do
the lick all around in the circle thing? Do you
what do you do with the bottom? Like do you
do the napkin on the bottom like these are all
things that everyone does individually. You don't have a pattern
for this. I would say I'm more of a biter.
Biting is uh, it goes fast. You also get a

(39:40):
little brain for a little more likely for brain freeze.
But I do feel like you really bite into the
ice cream, you really get a sense of the ice cream,
whereas if you're licking and you're just making sure it
doesn't drip like you don't you don't like drips anywhere
you're licking. You get the taste, but you don't get
the overall feel of ice cream going into your mouth.
I I understand why you're a biter. By the way,

(40:01):
this just in John Goulas a fighter, Doug as a liquor.
I'm a liquor. John Glaza Fighter Andrew said there's a
Hershey's shell, same type of deal, but magic shell, I
think is the proper answer. My thing is this, if
you get in under the wire before they put in
a hard cap, if they can get a hard cap,

(40:21):
think about what the Lakers, or the Celtics or the
Warriors could look like, all right, up coming next? What
if Lebron's did something too conventional? It's the hurt what
I'm welcome in. This is the herd wherever you may be,

(40:43):
however you may be making as part of your day.
Thanks so much. I'm jug Gottlieb live in Los Angeles.
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So back on TV Monday, A town will be back
and we may have clarity as to who's going where

(41:04):
in the NBA. But I was thinking about Lebron James
to Los Angeles. Do you know why it makes sense?
It makes sense because we've seen this before, right. We
saw Wilt Chamberlain forced his way out of Philadelphia and

(41:25):
make his way to the Lakers and ultimately, though it
took a long time and it was it was not
pretty for a long time, ultimately he won one NBA
title with the Lakers. We saw it via um. We
saw via trade with the Milwaukee Bucks. Prime Abdul Jabbar

(41:48):
won a championship in Milwaukee and then was moved to
the l A Lakers, where he was part of four
NBA title teams. We saw it with Shaquille O'Neil, who
began his career with the Orlando Magic and he won
three NBA titles with the Lakers. We've even seen Karl
Malone and Gary Payton, though they came up short, title chasing,

(42:11):
ring chasing late in their careers. We've seen players Metal
World Peace one one NBA title finally making it to
the Laker Blue and Gold. Because we've seen it before
makes me think it's a really weird ending for Lebron
James's career. Think about it. The reason it makes most

(42:33):
sense to us is because it is it is in
reality a Hollywood ending, especially if he wins an NBA title.
Now you can almost play that that's seen from Pretty Woman,
What's your Dream? What's your Dream? You know it's Hollywood,

(42:55):
What's your dream? Hollywood endings are kind of clear shay right.
Hollywood endings are ah, it's it's almost too good to
be true. And if you think of Lebron James's career,
He's going to leave or at least to this point,
the most unlikely of desk of of legacies for a

(43:21):
guy who has look Lebron's a guy who comes from
single parent home, didn't know his dad, and yet has
a has a remarkable value for education and for family.
I think all the kids he's putting through school in
spite of the fact that he came from uh An

(43:43):
upbringing where he only had his mom raising him. He's
never got into even a hint of trouble, right, Like,
look every different marker for when you're more likely to
get into trouble and not. Value education comes down to
what your background is, one year level of education, your
parents lovel education, if they're together or not. He goes

(44:04):
against every trend and then oh yeah, by the way,
after getting close in Cleveland, he leaves for Miami, which
is kind of an unlikely destination, and then he's able
to do in Miami, not exactly what he laid out for,
but in four years, four NBA finals to NBA titles,

(44:24):
mission accomplished. But then will wait. Anyone else could have
retired in South Beach. That's what people do. That's cliche.
You play out your string. You make more money because
there's no state tax. You love the weather, and that's
where you that's where the part two of your life

(44:45):
begins and sometimes ends. I mean that there are parts
of Florida they call Heaven's waiting room. So instead he
turns tail and goes back and goes to Cleveland, where
nobody ends. Who goes to Cleveland, Who moves to Cleveland?
Who says, you know what I'm gonna do, I'm gonna
go back to Cleveland. Mobly does that? W does that

(45:09):
Lebron did? And oh yeah, By the way, he's been
there for four years. He's been to three four NBA
tied NBA Finals, and though he's only won one, he
did so an incredible fashion, coming from three games to
one down to a team that won seventy three games
the regular season. He's had a completely unconventional path to

(45:32):
this point, and it does feel like this is kind
of the cliche, cheesy ending if he goes to Lakers,
doesn't it? Like, aren't the best movies the ones with
the plot twists. M Night Shalman, right, Um Shalamalan. I
didn't know that Bruce Willis was dead until until everybody

(45:57):
knew Bruce Bruce Willis was dead. Now there are other
people in the her and I know there's some of
you that are driving arounds that they're going like I
knew the whole time, the whole time, Um, and most
of you are lying. My wife did so. First time
we watched I remember in the movie theater we watched
and she's like, I think he's dead, Like, what are
you talking about? Didn't make any sense? All time backfires, right,

(46:22):
I'll give you Daddy's right there, he's on screen. Um,
you know Falling that Denzel Washington movie, that one is creepy,
but that one has a plot twist. What's the one
with Edward Norton where he's accused of being a serial killer?
And I think it's like the Corridord Psychologists down there

(46:45):
and you're like, no way, no way, and then at
the very end of the movie you're like, oh, he's
he's a sociopath. He's a psychopath, primal fear. I believe
the movie. There's no thing better than the plot twist
at the end. Usual Suspects, Right, Oh oh Kaiser's sosay,

(47:08):
oh oh oh, did not see that one coming? Wait,
he's walking normal. He was gimpy a minute ago. What
did happened to Kevin Spacey? Anyway, The point is that's

(47:31):
kind of been Lebron James's career. Now ending his career
in l A with the Lakers playing for a Magic
Johnson led team that's as cliche as the end of
Mighty Ducks. That's you know what that is. That's like
double O seven. How many different Double O sevens have
there been? Seven? Seven? Double O seven seven James Bonds

(47:54):
and no matter who it is, all my personal favorite
is Sean Cornery, right, that's what people away say. I mean,
Daniel um uh, Daniel Craig is probably the best one. Right.
He actually looks because he's all shredded up, and I'm
not sure if he's doing that fasting diet whatever he's doing,
because he's all shredded up. He actually looks like he

(48:16):
could be like he could pull off some of those stunts.
No disrespect to Connery. Connery looks like he could have
pulled all the ladies right, like that one I get.
But Daniel Craig actually looks like he could do some
of the stunts that they have. But the fact is
that Double O seven never dies hail of gunfire. Somehow

(48:38):
he always makes it. He always pulls It's like Rocky,
he always pulls it out in the end, and we
always it's always Double O seven with a beautiful woman.
Fade to black in a scene which clearly goes n
S seventeen as soon as the credits start rolling, right
that's every double O seven we ever created, and we

(49:01):
sign up knowing it, sign up knowing it. But that's
not when Lebron has been. Lebron hasn't been double O seven.
Lebron has been plot twist after Lebron has been a
little bit of like pulp fiction, right where you're putting
together kind of all these stories and they're kind of
all going together like oh, oh, oh, oh, who's choppers this?

(49:30):
So I'm not saying that the cliche ending is bad, right,
but it's a lot less interesting. And here's a really
interesting fella, the Lebron James could hear you want interesting?
He may well go down as the greatest score in
the history of the NBA. It's out there for him

(49:52):
to score more points than anybody who's ever played in
the NBA. And yet reputation wise, Lebron James isn't really
seen as a scorer. He'd even tell you I'd much
rather I I like when when I like setting my
teammates up. That's his favorite thing to do. And yet

(50:13):
he could go down as the leading score in the
history of the NBA. That's interesting. He he could never
play for a Hall of Fame coach and yet everywhere
he goes when from Cleveland to Miami to Cleveland to

(50:33):
l A like the l A thing. I guess building
a new team in l A would be interesting, But
we've kind of seen it before. We've seen Lebron James
Lee before, we've seen l A and Super teams before,
and we've seen players go to Los Angeles to end
their career before. It would be a fairly conventional end

(50:57):
to an unconventional career. Maybe that's what makes it more interesting.
Maybe that's what makes it more interesting. So I mean, look,
I'm just as intrigued as all you are, and I
love the person's like, well, you know there's a lot

(51:19):
of Lebron you're talking. Have you been on the streets.
This is not just in Los Angeles, but I can
tell you that in Collins on vacation where in Utah
this week? I guarantee when he goes to where rich
people hang out because Colins rich, and he's hanging out
with rich people are hanging out, right, They're all they
they they all ask him Colin, where's it going? Colin?

(51:41):
Tell you when I go get coffee coffee bean, Like, hey, Hurd,
saw you on the herd where's he going? Is he coming?
They're not coming. It's so different the East Coast. Really
amazing thing, you know. Um, Speaking of how Hollywood endings,

(52:01):
here's one that I never understood. You know the movie
The Natural Robert Redford. Yes, okay, So what happens at
the end of the movie. He hits a he hits
a home run, It hits the light pole right, or
hits the lights and all the lights shatter. It's like
the perfect Hollywood ending. Did you know that the book
has the opposite ending. That's true, the book has an

(52:25):
opposite I know this because I had to. I read
the book in high school. He now he's struck out,
but he threw the game and gets thrown out of baseball.
It's a way better ending. It's a plot twist that
does not happen. Sounds like a huge bummer ending. It
is a huge but but that's that's the difference in
a Hollywood ending, in a real ending, right, in real endings,

(52:46):
sometimes the guy throws the game. It is it is
a huge I know this because I read the book
and in high school, one of my best friends, getting
raphil La las Arean, we were getting ready to turn
in our paper. You can write an anything you want,
any topic you know, and any any topic at all

(53:07):
about the book. And he wrote about the ending and
he's like describing it and this. It was a beautifully
written piece. And I was like, hey, dude, you gotta
go home. I was like, why, It's like I said, English,
this third period, you have two periods to completely rewrite
your paper. Because he strikes out and throws the game
in the book like, no way. I was like, I'm

(53:30):
just telling you. Yes, Bernard Malamud wrote the wrote the text.
It is an ultimate plot twist. Will the Spurs give
in and trade Kauai Leonard to the Lakers. I'll discuss
it with our NBA. Inside of CRISP Brussar joins us,

(53:52):
we're not having Christmas. Sorry, oh well, don't do the
throat slash thing. I'm like, Christmas, are you like throw
it slash? Like wait, what are you celebrating a touchdown?
Or are we not having Christomers start? We are having
Chris Broussard. He will join us next in the heart

(54:14):
any sports fans, the sun is shining, the attempts are rising.
Summer's officially here. Grab your friends. Blass and Tunes ignite
those coals because the weather like this waits for no
one thinks ford charcoal start something, all right. They have restarted,
restarted the the trade discussions between the Spurs and the Lakers,

(54:35):
and apparently this is via Adrian ward Zanowski. The Celtics
have engaged on some level as well. It's bringing Chris
Broussard and be a insider, longtime NBA scribe, analyst, radio
host everything for us here at Fox Sports one, Fox
Sports Radio. Chris, what are you hearing in regards to
uh Kawhi Leonard? Well, just I mean what you said. Um,

(54:58):
the Lakers are obviously try going to get this thing
done as soon as they can. Uh. They want to
get Kauai because they believe in getting Kauai. It's not
only getting Kauai, as great as he is, it's getting
Lebron James. Um. They don't, you know, they don't want
to take the risk of trying to see if Lebron

(55:20):
will go there by himself. Um, you know, so they
want to go ahead and get that free agent locked in,
especially with the talk that Paul George may stay in
Oklahoma City. So they're trying to get it done. The
question is will San Antonio play ball with them. We
know that their stance has been they don't want to

(55:42):
trade him to the Lakers. They don't want to trade
him in the Western Conference. And I think at the
end of the day, though, you have to make the
best move for your team, what makes your team the best,
And the Lakers, obviously, I think, can put together a
really nice package that it will be tough for another
team the top, especially if that other team thinks they

(56:04):
might be a one year rental for Kauai. Here's the thing, though,
if you're the Spurs, you can take that deal later
in the summer, or you can take that deal during
the season or at the trade deadline in February. Um.
Their goal is not just to keep Kauai Leonard from
the Lakers. It's also to keep Lebron James from the Lakers,

(56:26):
at least as long as they can. You know, so,
I if I'm the Spurs, I'm not in a rush
to trade Kauai Leonard. And uh, they got plenty of time.
He certainly got leveraged ultimately, but they got plenty of
time right now before they have to pull the church
you have do they actually? Because like, look, if your Lakers.

(56:48):
You're super motivated to get it done. Now if it
doesn't get done, now you just sit there and go like,
all right, we'll just you're gonna be like that. We'll
wait and we'll get him as a free agent, which
takes your primary bitter away. Well they did that, they
did that with Paul George, and now they may not
might not get which is which which it's interesting because
I said this to start the show. Christopers start joining
us Fox Sports NBA Insider and of course has its

(57:11):
own radio show on the weekends as well. Um I
said to start of the show, he's not the best
free agent, but he's maybe the most interesting and impactful
free agent in Paul George, because uh, if he goes
to the Lakers, you would think that Lebron will join him.
And they don't actually have to move heaven and Earth
to get Kauhai, although they still may they may want

(57:34):
all three, it may not matter, but they don't have to.
But it also has to change how we look at
guys with when you're remaining saying they want to go
elsewhere where, you take that chance, and you may be
overpaid because you can convince him to stay. I mean
it's an Oklahoma City team that didn't gel well. They
get bounced in the first round of the playoffs. It
didn't even go seven games. Mellow doesn't want to accept

(57:57):
any sort of different role there. They'd be in complete,
pale and unable really to fill out the buck of
the ride. Like. It's not a great situation. Billy Donovan
got re upped, but it wasn't It wasn't met with
great fanfare, and that's all it took to resign Paul
George that. I think that would be huge. That's why
he's so impactful, even more so, maybe even than Lebron

(58:17):
Well the one. I mean, you said a mouthful there,
and I agree with most of it. Um So I'm
still not convinced he staying. I mean, I know that thought.
We'll see what happens. If he stays. I would be impressed,
because you know, I'm not critical of the guys that
want a super team and the guys that you know,
want to join the best possible players they can k

(58:39):
d Lebron's I'm not critical of that, but there is
something I admire about the guy that just grits his
teeth and say, you know what we can get it
done here. And if George feels like he and rest
Brooks and that crew and okay see can get it done,
then I'm impressed. I'll applaud him. However, I don't there

(59:00):
staying why he would stay. Other than that, I don't
understand why in the world he would say Los Angeles
is a better city, it's your hometown. If you play
with Lebron, you got a chance, a better chance to
win the championship. Then you'd have playing with Westbrook which
you probably don't have any chance of winning this championship. Um,
I don't know why he'd do it. I mean, if

(59:21):
you want to say money, you know that fifth year
he can get five years from okay See, four years
from the Lakers. The major difference in the money is
that just that. Okay, so he can give him an
extra year when he's thirty two or thirty three. At
the end of the deal with the Lakers, he probably
probably not for certain, but he probably will be starting

(59:43):
another max contract or at least a two or three
year MAX contract at thirty two thirty three years of age.
So I don't understand why he would stay, But if
he does, I'd be I'd have to applaud him and
being pressed Yeah, but then then you'd have ask yourself,
why do you leave Indie? Right? If you're gonna you know,
totally agree, well, let's and let's go here. If if

(01:00:07):
it's not just about going home to l A, then
I'm if I'm Paul George, I got to look at Philadelphia.
I mean, if it's just now about basketball where you
think you can win and look, I don't know this,
but if he you know, if you play with Lebron,
you're a distant second, right, You're not You're not a

(01:00:29):
close second like he is in in Oklahoma City. You're
a distant second star. You win a title is gonna
be all about Lebron? Does does George think about that?
I don't know. But if you if you just want
to uh play in a great basketball situation there, then
look at Philadelphia. You stay in the East, you go

(01:00:50):
to the Eastern Conference, You're gonna make the All Star
team without question. There's a big question whether or not
you'll make him. In the West. You have a chair
to go to the championship multiple time. You would be
the second scorer, if not the leading score in Philadelphia
with Joe l m V you gotta pass first point

(01:01:11):
guard in Ben Simmons, and he would fit in seamlessly
to that situation in Philadelphia. As far as his game,
I think he has to look at that if Now
it's not just about going home in l A. That's
the voice of Chris Broussard, who joins us here uh
in the herd. I'm Doug Gottlie filling in for Colin.
All right, what about Lebron? Where are we on Lebron Watch? Well?

(01:01:35):
I think it's all about you know where who who
would go to l A with him? Now? Where'd he
go to l A by himself? I don't think you
take that off the table, but I think it'd be
a wasted year to go there by himself because you'd
have no chance to win the West. Um, you know,
does he think maybe I go there by myself and
then at the deadline the Lakers trade for Kauai? You know,

(01:01:58):
I don't know, But I just think even though that
team in Cleveland would not be the favorite in my opinion,
in the East, they would still have a pretty good
chance to win the East just because of Lebron. You
gotta figure they make a couple of moves to improve
the team and they have a shot. And look, once
you get to the finals, you take your chances. That's

(01:02:19):
a better chance of winning it than you have in
l A, just because you're in a different conference. So
I would think if nobody else goes the l A
with him, stay one year in Cleveland, one more year,
and then you can go to l A. You know,
see what this landscape is like in you go there
with Kauai or at Clay Thompson or Jimmy Butler, you know,

(01:02:41):
and then you also get another year to see what
these other Lakers can do lines O ingram Um Kuzmok.
Are they really good players? You know, see how they improve.
So I think that makes a lot of sense for him.
And even on a family level, his son, his oldest son,
is going in the eighth A this upcoming fall, so

(01:03:02):
you know, if you want to make a move, I
doubt he wants to move his son from the different
high schools so you can still go to l A
and enroll him in a new high school for you know,
for all four years. So I think that's a factor
to stephen A reported or actually it was he did
something weird, he didn't report it okay, But what he

(01:03:22):
said was he got two calls in the middle of
the night that said Lebron reached out to Kevin Durant
try to get him to join him in l A. Um.
I've been I've been told that's not true from somebody
close to the situation on Lebron's side. In fairness to

(01:03:44):
stephen A, he's been told the same thing from Lebron's
side that it's not true, But stephen A still believes it,
So you know, I don't know. Look, it would make sense.
I mean, that's the real power move for Lebron if
he could go to l A with Kevin Durant. I mean,
now you're really talking about a team that could win

(01:04:06):
it next year with those two. But you know, I
think Durant's going to sign with a Golden State on
a short deal. I think if you're Kevin Durant, and
you know there have been rumblings that he's not the
happiest camper in Golden State, he should be. I'm worried
about him if he's not. But if he isn't, and

(01:04:28):
it's and if it has something to do with the
fact that, look, it's never gonna be your team because
it's Steph's team or people think you got it easy
and you bought these rings. Going to play with Lebron
doesn't off any of that. It's gonna be Lebron's team.
And if and if you play with him, the best
player in the world, and you're the second best player

(01:04:48):
in the world, then it's gonna you know, people are
gonna say you took the easy route out. Again. So
if I'm Kevin Durant, I want to win more rings
than Lebron. I don't want to help him win more
and so I wouldn't do it if I were him.
That's the voice of Chris Berus. Sorry, Okay, as of
right now, As of right now, if you had to guess,

(01:05:10):
uh where who ends up where? Again, this is just
as of Thursday at ten thirty on the West coast,
one third in the East coast, go I would say
Kauai remains in San Antonio, just you know, for the
time being, because I don't think they'll take make a move. Um,
And I'm gonna say I'm not saying with a ton

(01:05:33):
of certainty, but I'm gonna say that Paul George and
Lebron go to l A. Chris Brus sorry, check them
out weekends here on Fox Sports Radio and see him
on all our Fox Sports one shows. Bru, have a
great weekend. Thanks for joining us, Christopers Starry. I'm sure
he'll join us again. By the way, if some of
this news changes will get his reaction or he may

(01:05:54):
break it himself, fully capable of doing so, Let's bring
in noted newsman John good Turn. This is the herd
line news. I went from talented down to note am.
I just by the end it will be unrespected newsman,
so you'd be on your toe. Remember when forever for

(01:06:16):
the playoffs to Calve signed Kendrick Perkins and he had
I mean he hadn't played basketball in like a year
or two. Okay, it's kind of a locker room presence.
They just want him around. Remember you gave the double
bird to Durant during a press conference. It was kind
of funny. Well, they're not done with Perkins. Reportedly, the
Calves are picking up his two and a half million
dollar option for next season, which, obviously, at first glance,
makes no sense. He doesn't play basketball anymore, so why

(01:06:38):
would you pay him two and a half million Retired
from the G League? Right, But here's why they did it. Yeah,
it's one of those how do I get this job?
Go ahead? No, Well, it's by paying him to by
picking up his option. It allows them another two and
a half million in trade. Remember you have to match
sallers with the trade, so they could put him along
with another player and get something in return. So is

(01:07:02):
there something the Calves can do? They could. Clearly they're
trying to entice Lebron somewhat one way or another, try
and trade for Kemba Walker. Is that with this same No?
I think I look, I just think this is a
smart move. It's a non guaranteed deal. No, they can
they can basically get rid of so they can trade
him and they would have to pay that, or they

(01:07:22):
can if they can just say no and they don't
pay him anything. Right, So it's it's just basically a
little little trade incentive for them, and it's just smart
to do, know in the cap. So it is one
of those things like how do I get one of
these jobs? Somebody? You keep pan Horne for years after
he got done playing in the NBA got paid because
his conscious salary was still good and so he would

(01:07:44):
still get money every time he was traded. To different
places like you still get your money. It's a crazy deal. Um, Look,
whether it's Kemba Walker or if they lose Lebron James
and they try and gut the thing, having that extra
value never hurt from pulling off the deal. But I
think that's if there's if there's a guard who can
create his own shot that doesn't make a ton of
money that's out there available on the market and be

(01:08:06):
Kimba Walk. I mean, in a weird way, you could.
I mean they could. Kimba only makes twelve millions, so
he's a very easy contract to trade for, but they'd
have to take on probably some bad contractor to get him.
The Hornets also do have a few of those. They
have a bunch of them. Uh. The Spurs announced Wednesday
that they have promoted assistant coach at Becky Hammond. Obviously,
she's the only female assistant coach in the league. This

(01:08:28):
now means she will be front row with Pop. Yes,
you know she's in now she's in the back row,
behind the front row of coaches. But they had an
assistant go take the head coaching job with the Hornets,
so she is now front row with Pop. She's been
with the coaching staff since, well, she just makes her
more viable as a head coaching can. Sure, it's not

(01:08:48):
a good look when she's in the back row. It
just it makes it really hard to hire somebody who's
not really a front row coach. Now it's like all
right now, it like the league is pushing the teams
to hire her as a coach. They want to, they
want a female head coach. They just do. Um. I
think it only works at a place like San Antonio

(01:09:11):
or where there's other San Antonio people running the front office.
Did you have to have complete trust because there are
gonna be guys that I don't want to have a
woman yelling at them. Sure, they just don't look. Guys
challenge all NBA coaches, even the most established. Can you
imagine how they would challenge her? Well? Is the Warriors,
I mean said they were tuning out Steve Kerr, right,

(01:09:32):
So how would they handle So? I do think some
of her challenges would be the same challenges you you
see with any NBA coach, especially because she didn't play
in the NBA. But she does have a slight level
of respect above some dudes that didn't play. On the
other hand, like you know, they they had a bunch
of other talented assistants that were getting looks as well

(01:09:54):
as her, and the only one anybody was talking about
was Becky Hammond's. That wasn't sitting well with a lot
of assistance in the NBA. Now it makes it more
understandable when you get to look for another team. And
finally some football news. As you know, Jags cornerback Jalen
Ramsey a little bit of a trash talker, uh, and
on NFL Network this week, he was they were giving

(01:10:14):
he was kind of giving his reaction to that NFL
Top one hundred lists and Jimmy Garoppolo being one of
the top one hundred players in the league. Take a listen,
he came in at nineties Jim Garroccolo. Yea, yet he
when he played five games, started five games. Um, you know,
he has good potential. I think he'll be, you know,
a good player. But you know, my experience and playing them, Um,

(01:10:36):
it was a lot of schemes. So it wasn't like
he was just dicing us up. Now, if you're trying
to remember, like, wait, didn't the Niners like crush the Jaguars? Yes? Uh,
the Niners forty four points on the Jags. Did you
go Jaguars? What what is that supposed to say? Jaguars? Okay, Jaguars.
That doesn't sound right to me. I can't do it.
You know you can do the you can do the

(01:10:57):
British pronunciation. Can I just go jazz? Good? Okay? Uh?
The forty Niners scored forty four on them. Jimmy G
completed se his throws. You are a big, big Jimmy
G supporter. I am Jimmy Jesus. I believe it's a
little take any issue with Jalen Ramsey's comments. Uh, he's

(01:11:17):
not wrong in that you have to go through the
league a second time before you truly prove it to us.
But I mean, look at that list. Carson Wentz has
played a year, about a year and a half in
the NFL coming off an a c L injury, and
they have him as number three, number three, ahead of
Aaron Rodgers. So dude, it's just a list. He lit
you up. Of their five wins at the end of

(01:11:39):
the season, three were over playoff teams Jags Titan Rams,
although the Rams didn't play all their guys in the
entire game, So I think he's not wrong, but he
is wrong because he did light you up last year.
Well that's the news and the third line news. It's uh.
If Lebron James is doing this, it only shows he

(01:12:02):
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here on the Herd earlier today. Um I did it, Yeah, listen,
I don't feel good about it. I don't feel great
about it. Yep, I did it. I I watched a

(01:12:43):
little first take. I did I and it's one of
those here's honestly why I watched it. Okay, I saw
it on screen on the graphic the Lebron James called
Kevin Durant try and get to go to Los Angeles,
and I was like, well, stephen A is up there
and it's stephen A says, but it didn't have stephen A.

(01:13:06):
Smith reporting right, so I wanted to hear exactly what
he said I did. I'm sorry, Okay, I'm sorry. This
is like when you're at dinner and you're with your
wife and a woman walks by, and you know, listen,
those are not genuine GM parts, but you're supposed to

(01:13:29):
not make He's supposed to make eye contact, right, and
all of a sudden you look. You're like, what are
you looking at? What do you think I was looking at? Right? Like,
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to, but like just it was.
It was on here's what he said. Well, Lebron James
reached out to Kevin Durant via text from what I'm

(01:13:50):
told about coming to Los Angeles. Um, I don't know
what Kevin Durant's response to him was. That is not
the information that I got. But I will tell you
what I did here is that behind the scenes, Kevin
Durant was like, why would I do that? You know what?
As far as I'm concerned, Lebron James is a big
time player what have you? But the way I look
at it, I should be perceived as the best in
the world. I'm not ranning two Tom Champion, I'm been

(01:14:13):
ranning two time NBA Finals MVP. Why would I think
about doing something like that? All right, there was some medatorialization,
editorializing in them there. Uh. Meanwhile, he said he did
doesn't know what Kevin Durant said back in return, but
then basically said, here's what Kevin Durant said back in
return to other people. It's confusing. Christoer Saris joined us

(01:14:36):
and said that ain't fro He even said that Lebron's
people told Kevin told stephen A it ain't true. It
didn't happen. Well, I guess my question would be why not?
What's the laws in it? If nothing else, it shows
a tremendous amount of respect for Kevin Durant and shows

(01:15:00):
that you want to go out and recruit and actually,
if you really want to get down to it. If
this is true, why didn't he do it last summer
when Kyrie Irving let everyone know you know what I've
I've just I've had enough of the circus. I'd like
to have my own team. I'd like to just be
out of here. Here's five teams, find me one of them.

(01:15:20):
And they found a different team, and he's like, all right,
find him good? Why not? Then why weren't there the
text messages? Then fire up the G five. Then you're
Lebron James. You're the heavy. So you mean to tell
me that last summer, when Kyrie was going to leave,
you called the owner and the general manager. This summer,

(01:15:43):
when you haven't yet committed to playing for the Lakers,
you reach out to a guy and try and recruit him. Look,
I guess it's a good thing. Maybe you could sell
me on. I've learned from the past that I need
to you know, I need to work to to getting
more guys on my team and not just let it
organically happen by itself. But I did it. I'm sorry

(01:16:07):
I watched it. I don't feel great about it. I
just I feel a little feel a little icky. I
feel icky. It's it's there's some news shows that you
feel like that as well. Right, you turn them on,
like I'm gonna watch this. I used to feel it
with O'Reilly, Right, you'd turn it on, you'd watch like, oh,

(01:16:29):
it's hard to watch, but I couldn't. You know, You'd
have a big interview and I couldn't keep my eyes
off it, and I wanted I just I feel bad.
I feel bad about it. Who let you forgive me?
I'm okay, yeah, okay, it wasn't We didn't watch it
for long, honey. It was just it was just I
just watched fair. We were in a room with sports.

(01:16:50):
We didn't put it on. It was already on when
we watched, right, Honey. I I that that those adult movies,
they were just on on my computer. You know that
somebody else had clicked on that site. I don't know
how that happened. I don't know how it happened. That's
what That's really what happened. It just it just makes

(01:17:13):
you wonder why he didn't reach out to Kyrie directly,
because had he had he reached out to Kyrie Irving,
you would have heard about it. This is the perfect example.
We don't even know if he actually reached out to
Kevin Durant and his people called Christoper sort and say
it's not true. The fact that it might have happened,
and here we are a year removed from Kyrie Irving

(01:17:35):
saying he wants out. We would have heard if he
had he did. Had he done so, that absolutely would
have been part of the sale from his camp. Hey man, Look,
he tried, he tried to get him to stay, but
Kyrie wanted no part of it. The fact that we
haven't heard that tells you he didn't do it, and

(01:17:55):
either he's learning from his mistakes or he just doesn't
under stand how he could have there. There was a
possible repair to the situation. Last year. Lebron James calls you.
You pick up the phone. This you know, this reminds
me of um back at the other place, Goole. I

(01:18:18):
was working one spring morning with with my Greenberg and
at the time the DePaul job was open and Isaiah
Thomas had gotten somebody in a Chicago paper to write
that Isaiah Thomas should be the next head coach to Paul.
And he was the head coach at Florida International, I

(01:18:39):
think at the time. And so Greeny says, I think
that'd be you know, green course Chicago roots with with college. Says,
I think there'd be a great idea. You know, he
speaks to Chicago through and through. They need a name
to get players, and I was like, yeah, it's stepped.

(01:19:00):
There was a ten million dollar lawsuit when he was
in charge of the New York Knicks for sexual harrassment. Yeah,
and his Indiana Pacers team never got out of the
first round of the playoffs and then went to the
Eastern Conference Finals the second that he got fired. Yeah,
he ran the Toronto Raptors and the c b A
into the ground. And yeah, Florida International was actually never

(01:19:21):
good when he was there. Outside of that, I guess
he's a big name. So that was like on a Friday.
The next day is a Saturday. It's like a Saturday.
I think it was in April, or it was it
was in April. And you know, in Connecticut, April can
go either way. It can be fifty degrees and Rainy

(01:19:43):
Gooley knows he's Nutmegs State through and through could be
fifty degrees forty. You can get little snow in April,
or you could have a beautiful seventy five degree day.
In this case was seventy five degree day. I'm outside,
I got three little kids I'm playing with in the backyard,
and my wife calls me into the house and she says,
Isaiah Thomas is on the phone. Really, I thought it

(01:20:04):
was somebody, you know, busting my chops because I killed
Isaiah Thomas on the radio, just the day before. Turns
out it was Isaiah Thomas, and we talked, or he talked.
I listened for like an hour as to I asked
him about the freezing out Jordan, the All Star Game,
not getting selected to the Dream Team, you know, walking

(01:20:26):
off the court when Chicago ultimately beat them in the playoffs.
I asked him, like, all these questions, you know. I
asked him a little bit about New York. I didn't
really ask him a ton about New York, but I
asked him all these questions about things that people have
said about him. And if you heard Isaiah Thomas tell it,
you'd be like, wow, everybody's got him one wrong. Now,

(01:20:48):
I still wouldn't hire and be the head coach to Paul,
I still know that when this many people say that
many things about you, you're probably close to that than
the person that you can make yourself be in one conversation.
But I do I last commend him with at least
he picked up the phone and said, Hey man, that's
not me. This is who I really am. So the

(01:21:08):
thing about Braun is like, look, if you text Kevin Randt,
hey M you and me with the Lakers this year,
KD text back who dis it's Braun and you're like, no,
I'm good. Think about how much more invested he should
have been in keeping Kyrie Irving on his team. True

(01:21:31):
or not true? This is absolutely what he should do,
what he should do and should have done a long
time ago. Lebron's the most decorated and best basketball player
that's available on the free agent market as soon as
he opts out. But he's not the most important one.

(01:21:52):
He's just not the most important one. The lynchpin to
this entire thing is actually not Lebron James. I'll discuss
who and why up coming next in for Colin. I'm
Doug Gottlieb. This is the Hurt what up? Welcome in?
This is the Herd. Wherever you are listening, however you

(01:22:16):
making this part of your day. Thanks so much, Life
from Los Angeles. I'm Doug Gottlieb, going in for Colin Cowherd.
Got a great third and final hour of the show. Eddie,
how is gonna join us in about fifteen minutes? Let
me get to your breaking news before we get back
to what is it? The lebron Zometer? Is that what

(01:22:37):
it is? Kol That's what That's what Cowherd calls it
and not Lebron's coming to Los Angeles. Uh, and I
don't think Lebron James is actually even the most important
free agent. Discuss why in a second. So um, yeah,
Jameis Winston appears to done it by dewey it. It's

(01:23:01):
the whatever he whatever he did that made the Uber
driver so uncomfortable they got him banned from Uber. Jamis
Winston has released an apology letter and he's going to
accept this suspension. This is probably all part of the deal. Um.
He apologized to the Uber driver for the situation he

(01:23:22):
put her in the Buccaneers organization, and he announces that
he is he is eliminated alcohol from his life. Booze
made me do it right. There's two ways to look
at it for Jamis Winston, because I think one of
the ways in which many of us would look at

(01:23:43):
is like, hey, dude, but some of that stuff that
happened in college you skated by. You gotta live an
extra clean life in the pros because even if there
is no uh, you know, true strike against you, there's
a strike against you. So uh, that's how most of

(01:24:06):
us would look the other way to look at it
is Hey, he said he didn't do anything wrong in college,
and so we can we can sit here and act
like what he was accused of in college he did.
But if he didn't, well, then this is something at
least fairly minor. There there is there is a looked

(01:24:28):
no woman deserves to get grabbed or brushed up against
or anything sort of creepy like that's just creepy, old school,
old guy behavior. That's disgusting. On the other hand, we
should be very very careful in what we do. You
know how we use the term like sexual assault like
it just it doesn't feel like it was a It

(01:24:49):
was a violent sort of act. Doesn't make it okay
or wanted or desired. But this is not that does
now amount up nearly to what he was accused of
doing college. The problem is he was accused of doing
in college, right and saying, hey, I cut have booze
from my life and now I'm good. Yeah, I'm not

(01:25:11):
not sure that will be received the way you want. Nonetheless,
Jamis Winston, this is this is one of those alright, dude,
we're at last straw type of town. We're last straw
type of material. He had the highest pass rating of
his career, but he was not great. Some key games
he was disappointing in. Obviously their defense was disappointing. Football aside, though,

(01:25:33):
though this is the first kind of sign of trouble,
he also had the weird speech to the the little
kids and then he had to eat in the w thing.
I don't know. Jameis Winston just strikes me as a
weird dude, like I like him and the stuff that
I see on TV in terms of football, but he
is a can't get right off the football field. So

(01:25:57):
Jameis Winson is gonna miss the first three games. Ryan
Patrick rides in on his white horse. Lebron's the most.
Lebron is the best free agent, right. No One's gonna
argue there that Lebron James is a transcendent player. And
whether you think he's the best or second best player
in the NBA, whether you think he should have won
the m v P or shouldn't have won the m

(01:26:18):
v P this year, however, you would turn demon Lebron
James being on the open market. As long as he
opts out, which he's going to opt out, he's the
best player. And if he goes to l A, you
would think that will change the West. But if he

(01:26:39):
goes to l A, it doesn't automatically mean that Kauai
goes there, although it may take an extra year, And
it doesn't mean that Paul George would go there, nor
that Chris Paul would go there. It's it's not that
Lebron is not going to recruit and can't recruit, and
they don't want to play with him. But it's not
a locked since that you leave behind more money and

(01:27:03):
you move just because Lebron goes. I think that's what
Paul George does, but I don't know. I do know
that if Paul George signs with the Lakers, Lebron is going.
If Paul George doesn't sign with the Lakers and resigns
with Oklahoma City, boy, that's interesting, isn't it. It's interesting,

(01:27:24):
isn't it. Take a listen Agtion ward Zanowski and what
he says about the growing bond between the Oklahoma City
Thunders organization and Paul George. He's become comfortable in Oklahoma City.
He liked playing for that organization. He liked he really
likes Sam Presty, the GM, Billy Donovan, the coach. He's
really gotten along and enjoyed playing with Russell Westbrook. It

(01:27:45):
takes a while to adjust playing with Russ And while
they were disappointed to get knocked out early in the
playoffs against Utah, Um, you know he can run it
back there, make more money in the short term. Um,
you know, do a short deal, a law deal in
Oklahoma City, and then get back out on the free
agent market here again during the prime of his career.

(01:28:07):
And there are other situations. Philadelphia is going to recruit
Paul George hard. They have a max slot available. Um,
so he's got a lot of options. A year ago
this time he thought he was going to the Lakers.
His thinking has changed. His mind is much more open.
So that's fascinating to me because if Paul George turns
down the Lakers to remain in Oklahoma City, it has

(01:28:30):
to forever, or at least temporarily change how we look
at players who say, Hey, I want to go to
New York. Hey I want to go to l A.
Hey I want to go to Chicago. Hey I want
to go here. Hey I want to go there, because
oftentime and look at you to change. Remember Kevin Garnett
didn't necessarily want to go to Boston. You guys remember
that when Kevin Garnett was in Minnesota, didn't want to
go to Boston because he had heard Boston was a

(01:28:51):
racist city. So he's not, and then they he ends
up going to Bostonetting traded to Boston, wins the championship,
and he's bluff of as a Celtic beloved, and I
think his opinion changed. And that's what Paul George maybe
maybe feeling, Hey, you know what, I kind of like
it here, you know what kind of like Billy d Ye,

(01:29:14):
know what, kind of like Russ. You know, it's a
little bit of it's a little bit of chaos, but
it's controlled chaos. It's the devil, I know, versus the devil.
I don't. So I don't know what's going to happen.
I don't you know. I operated under the assumption that
he was going to join the Lakers, and I do

(01:29:37):
think that some of this, you know, you could make
the argument this is setting him up to stay in
Oklahoma City and make it about something other than the
money when the truth is it's about the money. Or
I could see it where he's just setting them up
to say, look, I really liked it here, but I
do want to play in l A. I've said I
want to play in l A and this is something
I want to see all the way through. It wasn't

(01:29:59):
because I didn't enjoy my experience. And Paul George strikes
me as somebody who wants to be liked. Take his
quote that we played for you yesterday where he said,
you know more when when I kind of my decision,
most of the people will hopefully be happy. Why do
you care? Because that's who is he cares. So Lebron
is the better free agent, the bigger free agent, worth

(01:30:22):
more money. Free agent could change the landscape of the
NBA from I mean, even though the Celtics should be
a better team on paper, even though I think the
Wizards are gonna get better, even though I think you
look around the East and the Sixers could potentially get better.
If he leaves the East to go to the West,
that feels like a complete change in the level of

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dominance in the West verst the East. That said, Paul
George the most more important free agent, not just because
he absolutely gets you Lebron James, but he also if
he doesn't go, changes how we look at guys. When
year left and their deal. Who say they want to
go to their hometown or say they want to go
to a big market, do you trade for him? It

(01:31:07):
would lead you to believe you you do. You make
a move anyway. Celtics and Lakers support apparently have re
engaged in trade discussions for Kauahi Leonard. I still think
that gets done. My big question for the Lakers is
before baby statement is be very careful about what you
throw in. The Nicks through in everything but the kitchen

(01:31:29):
sink to get Karmelo Anthony, and they were never the
same ever the same. They had a good young team.
Had you added Carmelo Anthony to it, they could have
been a very good young team, but instead they then
had to rebuild again. If I'm the Lakers, you've got
a good low core, You've got a good core. You
don't have all stars, but you've got good players. Be

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cautious about giving away too many pieces. Eddie House joins
the show up coming next. What would he give up
for Kawhi Leonard? And does he know where Lebron's going
or if Lebron staying? Find out next Doug got even

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for Colin. This is the herd, So what's the story
with this England Belarus game where they're better off losing,
like they both want to lose this game. Um I
did I say Belarus Belgium? Sorry, But what's what I
don't understand is it because of who they face in
the next round? That's the idea I would assume. So, yes,

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so you want to stay away from Brazil, I believe,
like right, like the winner gets Japan but would be
in Brazil's bracket, and so you want to stay away
from Brazil. I think that's the thought, which is smart.
We we have that in American sports all the time.
I still contend that teams in the NBA, you know,
for example, I think the Calves like the fact that

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they've avoided the Wizards, right, that those two guards for
the Wizards would have would be a problem for the
Cleveland Cavaliers over the past couple of years, and they've
smartly avoided them. They're just smart. So the winner of
this England and Belgium game gets top spot top the

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top spot in Group G, but the top spot in
Group G plays Japan, and the winner would likely play Brazil.
Whereas I think you're you're pretty far away from trouble otherwise,
So I don't know. That kind of fascinates me. That's
really the only thing fascinating about it is they're both

(01:33:39):
trying to lose this game and their zero zero, Like
can you not? You couldn't do an own goal thing,
that would just be too obvious. The ball just happened
to slip through the through the goalies hands, just happens
to go right through it. All right. We'll continue to
track it as we get ready for really the final

(01:34:00):
sixteen team tournament in the World Cup, which we'll have
the whole field after today. Meanwhile, Sunday is the first
of July. That's when free agency begins. Kevin Durant and
the Hampton Five that was on fourth of July. I'll
be with you all week next week hosting coasting The
Dan Patrick Show as well as hosting my own show.

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Colin will be back as well. I guess the question
is will this stuff be decided by the time to
Colin is back on Monday. There's now new trade discussions
between the Celtics and the Spurs. The Lakers and the Spurs,
although some reports out of Boston say the Celtics aren't
offering even Jayalen Brown Celtics and basically like, look, we'll

(01:34:41):
give you anything outside of one of our starters. If
you want to trade its for Kawhi Leonard, we'll take
We'll give you pennies on the dollar if you gotta
get rid of them. I'm the Lakers. I'm sure no
this and are offering a better overall trade package. But
is it's so much better that the Spurs want to
make this deal now they we're waiting on Paul George
continues to be some buzz that hey, maybe he stays

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in Oaklhoma City and then we're zero dark thirty with
Lebron James. No one seems to know, although Vegas believes
that Cleveland is becoming more of a possibility. Let's welcome
in Eddie House. He played with Lebron, he knows the league.
So well, what do you think as of right now? Man? Uh,
I think you kind of hit it on the head.
I think Paul George right now is it is probably

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gonna be the guy that everybody's looking at. Um where
what is he gonna do? Is he gonna stay? Okay? See?
Is he gonna go to l A And I think
if if that decision is made before if his decision
is made first, I think all the dominoes will start falling,
uh falling after that, UM, I think then you'll probably
see Lebron try to come and you know, if you
heard this talked about Lebron and k D maybe the

(01:35:48):
l a uh. I don't know how how true that is,
but that'll be something. I think this is one of
the most interesting free agents free agent seasons that has
been in a while. I mean, with with the with
the big names that are there and all the options.
Most of the times when we look at these the creators,
we look at and say, Okay, they're either gonna go here.

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They're either restarted with their team, or they're gonna go
to this place is likely likely spot for him. Right
now we have there's so many different scenarios that could
play out for Paul George, that could play out for
Kauai by getting traded, that could play out for Lebron,
James and Kevin Durant. So it is super is intriguing,
It's interesting and and exciting all at the same time. Okay,

(01:36:30):
but what are your guys saying, all your boys, all
you guys that played in the league, guys are all
texting each other. What do you guys, what's the general
thought of Like Paul George stain Oklaoma City, they got
bounced in the first round and even get the game seven,
they lose in Utah, Like all of a sudden, we're
all gonna come back and do it again and try
and change the role of Carmelo Anthony and that's gonna

(01:36:51):
fix things. No, I don't think you have to fix things.
But I think it's more of a security blanket for
Paul George knowing that if he signs back with Okay see,
at least he has this team and he has Russ
and if Mellow can just somehow be a little bit
better Mellow than he was this year, they might have
a better chance of, you know, moving forward in the playoffs.
But the uncertainty of l A. You know, if he's

(01:37:12):
the only star that goes there, and then what happens.
You know, if Lebron says I'm staying in Cleveland, he
makes the decision to go to l A, he stays
in Cleveland. Kevin Durants not coming to l A. U
Kauai doesn't get traded to l A, and Paul George
there by itself, I think so. I think everything hinges
on on on. Really what Paul George's decision is gonna

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be in the reason why he makes the decision. I
don't think he's just gonna up and go to l
A without without knowing for sure that he's gonna have
another story he could play with. But but if he goes,
Lebron goes, right, I mean, they just like Cleveland. He
could have said he was staying in Cleveland long time ago.
Hey it sounds like that, but you know, you know
what Lebron Man, he's so he's so cryptic and I

(01:37:56):
don't want to say sneaky because that's not the right word.
He's just calculated. Everything he does is calculated. He takes
his time, he doesn't he doesn't give off any hints.
He doesn't he doesn't lead anybody on and say, oh yeah,
he kind of leaning towards this way. He waits to
the last man. He does what he does. So, I
mean that's the unknown right here, that's the question mark.
The big element in the room is what we don't

(01:38:16):
know where Leron's going and what is he where is
he going to end up? So again, I think Paul
George is in a in a trick bag of some source,
because unless he's talking directly to Lebron James, he's not
sure who's gonna be in l A. If he if
he's the first one to sign, what might play out
for a week or a week and some change, just

(01:38:38):
people trying to figure out where they were where they
really want to go. Okay, um, maybe this is maybe
this is the part which gets uh super interesting to
me as Eddie houses our guest and be you know
former NBA star Doug got Levin for Colin. This is
the herd. If you're l A and you've got to
give up uh some draft pick and he got to

(01:39:00):
give up Josh Hart everybody likes as a bench player.
If you got to give up Kyle Kuzma or brandon Ingram,
you can only hold onto one. Who do you hold
on it? But who who are we getting? Oh? For that? Okay,
that's what we're talking from Kai Leonard. I think you

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I think you could get away with giving up brandon
Ingram because I think that there would be like similar positions.
I don't think brandon Ingram is that great of a defender.
I like the toughness that Kuzma brains, coul showed that
he could think, could stress the floor. He's tough, he
gets tough rebounds, and then Kauai is that defender. So
I think that's probably more I would. And I think
that san Antonio likes the guy. Like brandon Ingram, he's

(01:39:44):
more of a quiet guy. He seems like he fits
the san Antonio Spurs mold. So I think that I
don't think Kuzma does. I think Kuzma is a little
bit more um outspoken, a little bit more gangster, if
you will, as a as opposed to a brandon Ingram.
I agreed, But the quiet ones, you never know what
the quiet ones with Kauie Leonard, we thought fitting there

(01:40:04):
until he apparently now says, I want to be out
out in out in Los Angeles. What about Christi ub
ub though the whole time, the whole time he was there,
there was never any question about his integrity, never a
question about his character. All this came about after the
quad injury, and and I understand him, and I also
understand I see both sides of the coin. He has

(01:40:26):
an injury and he's not feeling right. Everybody's different, everybody
Hell's different. Everybody body is different. If somebody, if your
body is telling you one thing, you have to listen
to it. And if he's relaying that message to the trainers,
they're like, nah, Tony Parker had this this thing, you
should be ready. You could be ready. And he goes
back out there listening to him, and then he kind
of aggravated again. I wouldn't trust him either, Like, hold up, man,

(01:40:48):
you should trust me because this is my body. So
now all the sudden people are saying you can't. They
can't have it both ways. Now he's a bad guy.
Well before he was a picture perfect and he was
a perfect model, perfect per look. To be fair, I'm not,
I'm not. I completely agree with you, Like I think
the Spurs massively mishandled this because once Tony Parker gets

(01:41:08):
in front of camera says my injury was a hundred
times worse, you're essentially called him soft and you're calling
him a liar. You know you're saying, you're you're having
your players say that he was healthy enough to play,
that he decided not to and even if you feel that,
you can't say that. So I agree with like you,
you don't tell anybody when they're healthy when they're not right.
You don't tell people how to spend their money. You
don't tell people to mourn, you know, people to pray

(01:41:30):
like These are things you just don't do. You don't
get up into somebody's business like that. But the Spurs did,
and they got the opposite of whatever reaction they thought
they would get to, which he's he's turned out. My
only point was you said that quiet guys seemed to
fit in in San Antonio, which I normally agree with.
Just this is the one quiet guy in kawaiet letter,
which it hasn't worked out that way, but it did,

(01:41:51):
so that's the whole thing what I'm saying. It worked
out until this quiet thing. Everything was he was the
model model Spur. I can't believe he's gonna the future
of the franchise. Everybody, Oh, I can't. This is gonna
be the next superstar. He might be the envy, all
the great talks, until this injury happened. Then all of
a sudden they're like, hey, he's not such a great
guy after all. I know we were saying that at

(01:42:11):
the beginning. Now he's more you know, he's he's getting bad.
He getting bad advice. His uncle's giving him bad advice.
He's not talking to anybody. He feels that, you know
what I mean. It's like they they're playing they're playing
the they're playing the media, and they're playing everybody else,
the public because one minute, well last year, at this time,
Kauai was there guy, and if he didn't get hurt,

(01:42:33):
they would have beat the lawyers. Now they're saying, hey, man,
we gotta get rid of this guy. He's just a problem.
And so you can't have it both ways. So I
tend to leave more towards Kauai and understand where he's going.
You think really reached out to k D try to
get him go to l A. I wouldn't put it
past me. Why not? I agree for some reason this

(01:42:54):
is viewed as a negative thing. I don't know. My
thing is, I don't understand why Lebron didn't reach out
to Kyrie last year and try and fix that, fix
that relationship. Well. Well, I heard some reports that he
actually did not want to have him. Boy, we've seen
that in that interview we had with Rachel Nick. He
didn't want I know he didn't. I know he didn't
want it. But if you don't want to do to leave.

(01:43:14):
You don't call your gentlemanager, your your owner. You call
the guy you're Lebron James. Where where can we meet,
Let's meet, let's talk, let's let's you know, let's talk
it out. I'm not sure if they were really that close.
I mean, if you look a lot of clips that
they always show it, you know, you're they're just taking
the ones that look like that, you know when they
show him. But it's almost like he's big brother, little brother.

(01:43:36):
You know when your little brother you're like, man, you
like you don't know what you're doing. Man, get all
you know what I mean, get over here, like that
type of stuff. And I don't think I read pretty
much liked that. I think he was like, man, I'm
a I'm a grown man over here. You ain't gonna
treat me like a little brother. And I can go
and I'm one of the best in the world, so
you know what I mean, I gotta go on by
my business. So I don't think that. I think it

(01:43:56):
was kind of unreparable, you know what I mean. No, listen,
even if it's unreparable, you'd still like, look, even if
she's gonna go right she's gonna go, She's gonna walk
out that door. She's already you know, she's already gotten
gotten a new place to look like you still, baby, baby, baby,
please you know, don't get right like you still at all?
It all look at it all depends on on what

(01:44:17):
the situation is. Sometimes you have a baby. Please let
me help you with this door and then back so
you can get out of your as fast as possible. Sation.
Eddie House joining us. Best guess where do they all go?
Just just a guess, best guess? Oh? Oh, Lebron just

(01:44:39):
dusted his cell phone. That's that's what happens. Maybe he
has all the great information and then all of a
sudden he's he he knows, he knows too much. And
somebody's like, hey, shut him down. We got Eddie back.
Where is he going? We're trying to get him back
for you. That's what Goolay does when they try. Let

(01:45:00):
they try to walk out the door using speaking of Google,
let's get in with the news. Turns this is the
herd line news. Okay, So two reports from very respected
NBA people about a Kawhi Leonard deal. Okay, So same
aim from USA at a tweeted this morning. We had

(01:45:22):
him on earlier this week that rumblings of a Godfather
Lakers offer for San Antonio's Kawai Leonard have rival teams
wondering if any anyone else can compete here, So which listen,
we kind of knew, right Boston has the most to offer,
but they're not going to offer too much, knowing that
Kauai might leave. This is according to Woods, though the

(01:45:44):
Lakers are willing to include former number two overall pick
Brandon Ingram and a future first round pick and a
package for Leonard, but the Spurs are seeking far more
complete hall of Lakers young players and future picks. So
this goes the way you talked about they're not gonna
They're not gonna put Kuzman there. I would I would

(01:46:04):
guess that that. I would guess they they were like,
we want all of them. They probably said we want
to first KU's my and Ingram and the Lakers are
going you can have half that, yeah, yeah, and somewhere
and and here's here's the deal. That tells me a
deal will be made, yes, but that tells me a
deal will be there, because if the Lakers are willing

(01:46:24):
to include Ingram in the first round pick. Clearly they're
willing to include a lot. There has to be some
middle ground run. There's gonna be a middle grounds where
deals get done, and it'll it'll get done probably sometimes
this week. I just it just feels that way in
Boston to this point. Not want to include Jalen Brown. Um. Yeah,
it just feels that there was a report kicking around

(01:46:45):
that the Celtics have gotten no assurances Kauai would be
interested in staying. So there's right now, what do you
point out that Kawhi Leonard does work out with Gordon
Hayward in the summer, but where do they work out? Diego? Okay,
So there's there's a bunch of rumors circling around the
internet there's a big trade coming involving the Phoenix Suns today.

(01:47:07):
It's kind of weird. Um. A lot of speculating since
the Suns have said publicly they want to add some
veterans that this could be a potential Kevin Love deal
they're trying to work out. They've been linked to him before. Um, now,
this could be a from the Calves per second, this
could be a let's rebuild without Lebron, or it could
be a Hey, let's let's try to put something new

(01:47:29):
around Lebron to entice him to stay. But there's been
enough buzz about this that it's it seems like something
might happen with the Suns today. To be fair, I
feel like the Suns have been involved in a lot
of potential trades and are very rarely involved in actual trades. Well,
there's they've been rumored with Kauai to that they're the
third team that would be involved if the Lakers and
Spurs wanted to do a deal. Um, do you think

(01:47:53):
anything happens with them? Or do you think there's like
the Calves are still trying to make moves in order
to make Lebron happy. Well, like, again, what are you gonna?
What are you gonna? Are you gonna get Devin Booker?
You know, can can you get Devin Booker? Which the
answer is no, you can't get Devin. Look outside of that,
who on that roster appeals to you? If you're Lebron, James,

(01:48:15):
the most Kentucky players they do they have. If you know,
if Kentucky alumni game would be amazing. It's like t J.
Warren Okay is a bucket getter, you know, but they
were awful less if you're not necessarily Devin Booker is
the guy who I believe. He's like, he's he's only
twenty years old or something crazy like that. Den book

(01:48:36):
are super super young. His fourth year in the NBA
and he's years old, but he's almost a veteran at
this point. He is a veteran's played two years in
the NBA or three years in the it's crazy, insane
three years in the NBA. He's only twenty one years old,
twenty two this fall? Um, do I think there's a
move with the Sun? Yes? Absolutely do I think unless

(01:49:00):
it includes Devin Booker. I don't know how that affects
Lebron James. Mine probably doesn't. And finally, a little baseball news.
So the Mets are terrible, so everything's right with the world. Uh.
And because of that, they are apparent reportedly starting to
become open to the idea of trading one of their
two young stud pitchers, Jacob Degram or Noah synder Guard. Uh.

(01:49:22):
Synderguard hurt but was pitching well. The gram has been
amazing this year. Grams a little older, he's thirty. Syndergard
is five. What's interesting is the amount of great teams
that are in the market to get a huge name pitcher.
The Yankees have a bunch of prospects and need an ace.
The Astros have a bunch of prospects. The Dodgers could
use somebody. Do you think one of these guys finally

(01:49:45):
gets dealt. This has been talked about for a long time,
but it never seems to happen. Yes, the Mets are terrible, right,
I mean, they're absolutely awful. And this is how you
get better in baseball, as you get bad and you
trade away your assets. Look, it's what happened with the Mets.
With with the Yankees. By the way, you go back
a year and a half ago. Year, only year and
a half ago. For two years. Two years ago, they

(01:50:06):
traded all their relievers. Well, first they forced to Share
to retire, and then they forced a Rod to retire.
It was Rods like walked in on a Thursday, like, hey,
you're retiring Saturday, right, Yeah, You're you're done Saturday. And
then they trade away the two best relievers and they
got great prospects in return. They traded Chapman to the
Cubs and they got a labor Torres and then resigned Chapman, right,

(01:50:29):
but then they also traded um Andrew Miller. Andrew Miller
the Indians, who was dominant that year. Of course it
has fallen off ever since. And they get and it
for a top prospects who honestly likely would be involved
in any kind of deal for an ace pitcher this year.
He's good, but they don't have a place to play.
And then they called up you know, Gary Sanchez had
like nineteen home runs in like forty some odd games,
but that was before I Aaron Gudgeon and all of
a sudden, Yeah, Aaron Judge, who was a fringe Major

(01:50:51):
League or becomes an All Star. Yes, So in other words,
what I would I do it if I'm the Mets. Yes,
and you have all these teams with deep farm systems
and deep pockets, I wouldn't trade one. I would trade
them both. To start over. You just started hit refresh,
you know, like we've all done this when when it's
not going your way on Xbox, you press reset, you

(01:51:11):
bump into it. You're like, oh, sorry about that. That's
with the news. Well that's the news, and thank the
thirdline news. It was. It was It's kind of a
little brother thing to do right back when he had
Sega Genesis, or well, your first Nintendo and S you're
just getting stomped and you either do it just really quickly.

(01:51:34):
You just hit reset, or you turn the power off
and on, or you accidentally bump into it. Oh my bad,
that happened the Supernintendo. It was just the reset was
just that little piece that slid, so all you had
to do was kind of touched the unit in general
and it would slide that reset button. Favorite Super Nintendo
game was what Donkey Kong Country? M hmm. You didn't

(01:51:57):
go Contra either, which which also would have been number two,
would have been Super Mario World. I think mine mine
was was Blades of Steel. Blades Steel was great, So
too was RBI Baseball, And uh was the was the
basketball one? The basketball was? Now it's an NBAJM. This
is we're talking the first ever any S system, right

(01:52:18):
talking the first ever Nintendo. I was talking Super Nintendo.
I'm talking talking Nintendo. I don't know if I had Superintendo.
I'm sure I did. Um, what was the what was
the basketball game? Are not? Not? Our Travels? Our Travels
was a was a better arcade video game, but man,

(01:52:39):
I used to dominate the basketball game, and now I
can't remember what it was back when. Remember when they
had the gym Rome show on on ESPN back with
Romans Burning. He used in the little studio in Westminster, California.
They used to film that in They had an old school,
first gen Nintendo, and I would dominate everybody in the
basketball like, oh yeah, I played this a couple times

(01:53:02):
back when I was a kid. I played and just dominant.
That's all used to do, literally all I do. You know,
there's something interesting about I brought this up before about
Lebron James and the idea that he would end his
career in l A. It it is kind of the
perfect ending, right, It is kind of the perfect ending.

(01:53:26):
But is it too perfect in ending? That's really the question,
because too perfect ending, we deem to be a Hollywood ending.
You know, they like Major League? You remember Major League now,
The way in which the Indians end up winning that
game against Clue Haywood and the Yankees was unique. You know,

(01:53:51):
you're setting, you're you're your your catcher who can't move
bad knees ends up dropping a bunt and not only
does it become an infield hit, but then the runner
wheels around second basic comes all the way to home.
What's what's interesting about Major League two is apparently the
Indians get smashed in the playoffs, but that's not part

(01:54:12):
of the movie. You know by the White Sox, but
that's not part of the movie. Why because movies by
and large have to have Hollywood endings, which is what
it would be for Lebron. Lebron riding off in the
sunset and the place with the prettiest sunsets in the world.
The small causes great sunsets, right, But it does so

(01:54:35):
and and we've seen it before. This is a it's
like a storyline we've seen before. Kareem finished in l A,
will't finish in l A, shocked in finished in l A.
But he forced his way out of got out of Orlando,
and he became, you know, the biggest thing on earth
playing in l A. Became movie starting rapper as well.
We've seen it before. So because it is a a

(01:54:59):
re you storyline, it's almost cliche. Oh, let me guess
Lebron wants to end his career and do it not
just for basketball, right, because when he went back to Cleveland,
it was about more than basketball. This would also be
about more than basketball, but to be about the business
of Lebron James. But it's it's it's interesting to me

(01:55:24):
because you know, his career has had such a winding path.
His career isn't a book that's previously been written. A
guy that big has never been this kind of ball handler,
A guy with his background, single parent home, product of

(01:55:45):
the Au generation. Those guys usually have off the court issues,
don't they None for Lebron James, not one fifteen years. Yeah,
a parking ticket, he's had, an unconvention. He leaves Cleveland
and goes to Miami. That's weird. And then he leaves

(01:56:08):
Miami to go to Cleveland. Like these are all weird
plot twists, and so you almost think it's too cheeseball,
too catcher dropping a bunt to score the runner from second,
too much of a Hollywood ending, not necessarily for anybody,
but for Lebron James to end his career. All right,

(01:56:33):
come on next, the best for last. You know, it's
it's always fascinating what happens to the team the day
after or the the period after the crushing loss of
a win. I'll explain next time. Doug Gottlieb. This is
the hurt Doug Gottlieban for Colins the Herd on Fox

(01:57:03):
Sports Radio. Colin makes his return Monday on Fox Sports One, where,
based upon some meter reports, he will be leaving hundred
dollar bills in his wake. Uh word is the Herd
is received some sort of contract extension. Good to be

(01:57:24):
the Herd. Every day of this time, Colin likes to
bring back a story you might have missed, an opinion
that's worth listening to. We call it after almost three hours,
Colin apparently hasn't gotten to the point yet quit holding
out on us Cowherd. It's the best for last. We

(01:57:45):
go to college baseball. That's right, college baseball, the College
World Series last night in Omaha, Nebraska, and what And
it's like, look, it depends on what side of this
thing you sit on. If you're an Oregan State fan,
what a magical ninth inning, magical ninthning. But if you're

(01:58:11):
Arkansas fan, quite the opposite. The game was not effectively
it was essentially over. I mean here you have uh,
here you have Arkansas get a a foul ball up
three to two with two outs in the in the

(01:58:33):
top of the ninth inning, two, and because they can't
catch and they don't communicate in that moment, Oregan State
puts three on the board and ends up winning the
game five to three. And it's interesting the you look
at this through a snapshot of well baseball. When the

(01:58:53):
ball went through Bill Buckner's legs, that was in game six,
Game seven, the Red Sox actually had a lead, but
still comes to the New York Mets the same was it?
Alex Gonzalez? Right, Alex Gonzalez from the Cubs booted the
ball in the playoffs? That was in Game six. In
Game seven, even though Moises Alou and a couple other

(01:59:14):
Cubs already had tickets home. The Cubs had a lead
in Game seven. Hey, you go back to when the
Rangers were twice in one game one strike away from
taking down the St. Louis Cardinals. And remember freeze hit
had all those hits was the World Series MVP. That

(01:59:35):
was Game six, Game seven, Game seven, the uh, the
Rangers still had a lead. But what seems to happen
when you have these type of collapses? Even use basketball
and j R. Smith remember yes, yes, the Warriors forced

(01:59:57):
overtime and JR. Did not oh time and score and
George Hill shouldn't be let off the hook because he
missed the free throw, and of course everybody froze up
and didn't call time out. Lebron tried, but it was
too late and he didn't really know if they had
a time out, and Jr. Of course is the is
the biggest culprit of not knowing time and score. All

(02:00:19):
I said, it was still over time a chance to
continue to compete, but they collectively lost their cool. They
lost their cool and you kind of lost lose this
will you lose the an an improving. It doesn't mean
that the series is over. I mean, tonight won't be
a h a challenging game for Oregon State. But but

(02:00:44):
once you've seen death and found a way to escape it,
or maybe once you thought you had I thought you
had the other size killed. Once you thought they were done,
they're finished and they come back. Even when you have
a lead again, it seems surmountable. Becaus the most they'll
will ever talk ever talk about college baseball on My

(02:01:06):
show or on Cowherd Show. But last night was kind
of here's the cliche. It's what sports is about. Every
out does matter, and when two outs in the top
of the ninth inning, a chance to clinch a College
World Series. I couldn't get a pop up. I count
get a pop all right, here's what we know as

(02:01:28):
of right now in regards to the NBA. The Lakers
and the Celtics have both been in contact with the
Spurs about Kauai Leonard. The Lakers have a ton of assets,
and they're willing to move more of their assets than
the Celtics are because the Celtics have received no word
as to whether or not Kauai wants to come back.

(02:01:48):
Seems like the Lakers and the Spurs are far apart,
but doesn't mean they're so far apart that you hang
up the phone. And if you're gonna continue to talk.
I feel like a deal ultimately gets done. Kauai will
get what they want, and the only question is it
will the Lakers be willing to include Lonzo Ball or
Kyle Kuzma brandon ingram I do think is the most

(02:02:09):
likely to go one. He's only twenty years old and
he can score. But they know that they're already bringing
in scores. If you bring in Kauai, you bring in Lebron,
you bring in Paul George. We don't need scores. We
need glue guys, and they want to hang on to
those young blue guys that don't cost him a lot
of money. I think a deal gets done, and when
a deal gets done, that brings into the conversation whether

(02:02:31):
or not they go and get Paul George. I mean,
people haven't discussed the possibility, the possibility that Lebron comes
with Kauai, but Paul George doesn't come, and then what
did they do with the roster? And then the other

(02:02:51):
news is that Jamis Winston admitted on some level to
groping an uber driver. So he'll be suspended for the
first three games. To see reason if you think this
is a guy something we haven't seen before, I give
you Ben Roethlisberger. Big Ben had the motorcycle accident early
in his career. He had two different incidents with women,

(02:03:13):
one in like Tahoe, the other one in Georgia. He
got suspended I think six games to start one season.
And and Ben Roethlisberger is likely going to be a
Hall of Famer that two super Bowl rings, So it
doesn't mean that this is the end for Jamis Winston.
But considering all the nonsense and stories, out of college,

(02:03:35):
a really, really bad look, and it feels like, dude,
you got one more shot, You got one more shot
back Tomorrow we'll see what happens with lebron Kauai and
Paul George. I'm Doug Gottlie. This the Herd

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