July 20, 2018 • 45 mins
Dan Beyer and Jonas Knox fill in for Doug. They talk about the Raptors doing the right thing by trading DeMar DeRozan for Kawhi Leonard why they don't have anything to apologize for. They also discuss the latest from the NFL and their on going process of handling National Anthem protests. Plus Michael Lee from Yahoo Sports joins the show to tell them if the Rockets should sign Carmelo Anthony.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the best of the Done Dot Lea show
on sports radio. Okay, I'm not I'm not too sure.
Oh yeah, there he is. John Robinson is here as well.
There he is. It's a Friday on this weekend. I think, Jonas,
I think, I really think this has got to be
the end of of the drama and the NBA. We finally,
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we finally, maybe when Carmelo signs with the Houston Rockets
or whoever. But Lebron has made his decision, Kauai has
been traded, Mellow has been dealt. I think everything is
pretty much been sorted out, so we can kind of
put a bowl on the movement in the NBA off season.
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Isn't it about July twenties seems to be a a
long date. I know, with free agency the last few years,
but these situations haven't seemed to drag out, and even
the Kyrie Irving trade in August almost felt like it
was the start of the next season where I just
now feel like, Okay, now we're gonna we're find the
things of the NBA are going to get a breather
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because everything that we thought could happen really already has happened. Um,
but I think that you're sort of you're underestimating NBA
players because it feels like we're always just a small
minor transaction away from an NBA player going on social
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media with huh loyalty question mark s m A. We
got that this week from one derision man. Maybe maybe
his refusal or Kawai's refusal to go to Toronto or
de Mars to San Antonio would be a story that continues.
But now that we've now that all these things have happened,
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I just don't know the domino that could naturally happen.
I don't know. Maybe I don't know if that's organically,
if if some if some player is unhappy. I just
think that everything is settled. And and on Toronto side
of things, we finally heard why the Raptors ended up
making a deal to acquire Kawai Leonard. Not that you
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or I needed an explanation, not that the fan base
in Toronto needed an explanation, but maybe the likes of
I don't know, DeMar de Rosen needed an exclamation for
that point that you just made from his Instagram post
that he made earlier this week when he was dealt
to the San Antonio Spurs. I just got a text
that says, oh, okay, let's see um right now. NBA offseason. Yeah, yes,
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it is about to end. Just got the update. So hopefully,
hopefully this is the end of what we've got. Let
me Okay, if you were to ask an NFL player,
all right, listen, here's the deal. You're going to get
NBA guaranteed contracts. But there's a downside. Yeah, what is it?
They might trade you when you don't want to be traded. Okay,
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where do I sign? All right, I'll take that, go ahead.
I mean, guaranteed contracts, guaranteed money. I mean, come on, man,
it's like even Isaiah Thomas Mr. Pitty Party himself such
a cry baby with his s m h Man, no
loyalty anymore in the n B A shut up your
five eight. You've made thirty two million dollars stop all right,
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A guy got traded. Big deal. I know that they
want to apologize and say, well, you know, there was
just some misinformation. We we we talked to Damar, I
get all that, but let's it's not the end of
the world. He's still making a ton of money. He's
playing for a great coach in a great system in
San Antonio. Everything is fine here. Let's not be over dramatic.
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You know what's amazing is when you said the s MH.
I thought it was the Khi Leonard post, and I
even said as much, But it was the Isaiah Thomas post.
I post was this be told one thing and the
outcome another. Can't trust them, ain't no loyalty of this game.
Sell you a quick for a little bit of nothing.
Soon you'll understand. Don't disturb. That's that was the Kahi
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Leonard So I wanted to be factor accurate. But there
are many I guess ways for NBA players, So maybe
I am wrong. Maybe I shouldn't put it past them
to send something like this out if something happens to
the office. You know who you can't trust. You can't
trust your wife when you come home early from work
and she's in your bedroom with the Direct TV guy
and they're doing more than one installation. You know what
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I mean? Like, that's who you can't trust. Enough. Man,
you're getting your money, You're in a better situation. Stop. Yeah,
the the WiFi just won't work. They're gonna have to
come over again today. That's why have anybody seen my remote.
I just can't seem to find it. The Toronto Raptors
spoken while they pulled this deal off with the San
Antonio Spurs, specifically their general manager, Missau Jerry. It's been
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an interesting offseason, to say the least for the Toronto Raptors,
who said goodbye to their head coach and goodbye to
their then star player. These were the reasons why, according
to the GM, we've given a chance to this team. UM,
we've tried to build it as much as we can.
UM at this point, we got to this level where
this up triunity came in front of us and we
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have to we have to jump on it, preach absolutely.
This is and this is what's difficult to understand. If
you're an NBA player, in your ego is fairly large.
This is what is difficult for you to comprehend, is
that there may be someone in the NBA better than you,
and there may be someone in the NBA that your
current team values more than you. And that is what
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Massia hu Jury is saying, specifically in my mind about
Tamar DeRozan, and we've talked about this, jonas would the
Raptors actually made the move with Dwayne Casey, knowing that
Kawhi Leonard would have been available to them via a
trade later in the off season. But Massi Hujeri has
pulled off one of the greatest I don't want to
say heists in sports, but usually it goes coach GM
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player of who you let go players. Usually usually the
last one. Coach is easy to get rid of. You
can't get rid of the whole team. Things aren't well
get rid of the coach. Next up usually would have
been the general manager, especially if you've signed that player
to a con tract that basim seven million dollars a year.
Zer He's like, all right, we'll get rid of the
player and the coach and I'm still here. If you
were dating somebody and they treated you like crap, and
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you found somebody that you thought was going to treat
you better, could you imagine if your X came up
to you and said, what the hell do you think
you're doing breaking up with me? I don't know. I
don't like being physically assaulted and cheated on all the time.
What do you think I'm doing? The idea that there
you just have to hold like you improved, you got better.
That's how it works. To mar de Rozen. They had
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an opportunity to get better and they took the opportunity.
They did nothing wrong here. You shouldn't be apologizing there.
Like the the idea that you feel people feel bad
for these players is crazy to me. That's exactly the
message Missile Jeri sent today. And while they got Kawhi Leonard.
That's why we play, That's why we play sports, is
to win, to compage for a championship. So you are
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really excited about this, bringing a top five player in
the NBA and to a fold and hopefully this kind
of elevate us as much as we want a simple
as that it is. Really it is plain as day
and it's laid out there, and I just don't understand
how other people can't understand what the Toronto Raptors did.
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Compete for a championship. That team was swept by a
one man show. And even though Lebron James wasn't in
the Eastern Conference, what had to take him six games
to get through Washington in the first round. I mean,
for for a team that we thought was the best
of the regular season, then there was yell, Lebron's gone.
But there's no guarantee that you're gonna beat the Boston
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team that's better or an improving Philadelphia team. They took
the chance. It's it's simple math to me. It all
adds up if like you imagine if our boss said, hey, listen, guys,
so we know you're filling in from Doug. Uh, it's
from twelve to three Pacific three to six Eastern time. Um, yeah,
we're gonna move that. It's gonna be from three to
six Pacific time, six to nine Eastern time. There's no
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loyalty anymore, Dan f you Shapiro, there's no loyalty anymore. Man,
You're still in employed, you still have a job. You're
still making millions and millions of dollars. All you did
was move a little bit. It's not that big of
a deal. You didn't get cut. This is in the
NFL where you sign a contract and all of a sudden,
a year later they say bye bye, And all you
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made was was four million dollars guaranteed. You're still getting paid. Like,
why why all of a sudden the NBA players they've
they've got the guaranteed contracts, they've got all the marketing
potentials in the world. Uh, there are some of the
biggest celebrity superstar athletes in the world. But they have
to have this as well too. We would like saying
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where we end up, you already get enough saying where
you end up. There was an opportunity to get better,
and they took it, period, and they should have. You
used our radio profession as an example of how things
are maybe how people shouldn't take things and and blow
them out of proportion. And in our business in radio,
the ugly side of radio is when somebody does this
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show on Friday and the boss is, once you come
up to my office after your show, Yeah, that's that's
not a good that's not a good thing. And it
would be whether you work in a metals factory, whether
you work at an insurance agency, whether you work at
a supermarket. They aren't going to say to you, you
know what, we are thinking about moving on from you.
(09:19):
Um after your shift today, So go ahead and do
your show, do your shift at the medals factory. Afterwards,
come on in and we're gonna probably have to make
a decision about your future. Could you could you imagine
if that was the case, because the reason I bring
that up is that's what Tomarja rosen is so mad
about is saying that that he was told that he's
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going to be a part of this team and then
they went and traded him. And it may not be right, Jonas,
but that's what businesses. Could you imagine if Messiah Jerry said,
we do have you on the shopping block, We do
have you. We are looking to trade you for a
better player. We don't know if we can do it,
but we just wanted to let you know. Like there's
there's no way that they could do that, just like
is no way you would tell a radio host you're
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gonna lose your job in three hours. But go ahead,
crack them ike and say whatever you want. Look, things change, man,
That's just life. That's how it works. It's why people
get divorced. When you're when you're spending thousands and thousands
of dollars on your wedding day and you're saying your
ID is and you're having a dance and your smearing
cake on each other's face, and all your buddies are
getting rip roaring drunk, and one of them such a
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toolbox that he puts his his tie around his head
like he's like it's a bandana and he's just a
knob and everybody thinks he's so cool, and then two
years later you're getting divorced. That wasn't the plan on
the wedding day, but things change. People change. You've got
an opportunity many times over to try and accomplish something
in Toronto and you didn't get it done. They needed
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to make a change. And if I'm a Raptors fan,
if there are Raptors fans, if I'm a Raptors fan,
I'm like, you know what good for our organization. They
saw an opportunity to get better. They're willing to take
a chance. He's probably not going to sign here long term,
so we're really risking at all. But at least we know,
at the very least, we're going to be better than
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we were a year ago. We only heard dear Dear
Rosen side of things from his Instagram post. Now we
hear Massa Yuzeri side of things, as he addressed the
situation with DeMar, dear Rosen earlier in my position, you know, um,
you you always have to be opening what you can do.
Both of us had a conversation and mean, DeMar know
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what that conversation was, And maybe I should have handled it. Um,
you know that better. Um, that's that's what I'm apologizing for. Well,
there you go. Hey, sorry, I'm sorry. We got a
top five, top ten player in the NBA and a
very good veteran defender who can shoot the three. Sorry
about that. Adamar Listen man, terrible news. Got a got
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a really bad news for you. We're gonna we're trading
you back to the US and uh, you're gonna play
for a coach is more like four of your titles
and they're always good. Oh, by the way, you're gonna
keep your twenty seven billion dollars. I'm so sorry, Like,
oh my god. You know I said yesterday that the
the Raptors Kauai situation because there's some question about Kauai
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and him wanting to fit in Toronto. It's both sides
getting over a bad breakup. That's what it is. Use
each other for whatever it's worth, take the year, use
that as your rebound for each other, and then move on.
That's all the Toronto Raptors have to do. They've got
nothing to be concerned about. Just move on. Maybe try
to separate yourself from this Eastern Conference regular season champs
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era and falling flat in the playoffs and try to
turn a new page. I give kudos to the Toronto Raptors,
and that's why, that's why. To Dan's point, to sum
it up, moral of the story, if you get an
opportunity cheat that is that is not what I'm saying. Sorry,
not what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, you don't want to
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want to cheat? Upgrade? Sure you know? Yeah yeah, why not?
You know, trade in the old model for a new one. Yeah,
go go right ahead and see how that one works.
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The Miami Dolphins, they're not in the news because of
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training camp. They are in the news because of a
report yesterday that surfaced that a team policy would have
them suspending players as a potential punishment for kneeling during
the national anthem. And they got a lot of heat
and there was a lot of pushback, and then they
came back afterwards a few hours later and said, listen, uh,
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we haven't really decided on anything. We have not we
have not made any decisions on anything, and then the
NFL and the n f L p A came out
and said, well, we're still you know, we're gonna go
ahead and pause any talk of punishment and we're going
to try and work through this. And now the Dolphins
have released another statement. The Dolphins have said this today.
This released via their Twitter page, courtesy of owner Stephen Ross. Quote.
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We were asked to submit a form to the NFL
on our overall discipline policy prior to the start of
the rookie report date. The one line sentence related to
the national anthem. It was a placeholder, as we haven't
made a decision on what we would do, if anything,
at that point. I'm pleased at the NFL and NFL
p A are taking a pause to figure out a
resolution on this issue. I am passionate about social justice
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and through the Miami Dolphins and creation of Rise, we
will continue to use the unifying power of sports to
improve race relations and drive social progress. That from the
Miami Dolphins today. Placeholder. What he meant to say was
heat check. Hey, how much heat are we gonna get
if we go ahead and drop this right now? Let's
just go ahead and see what the feedback is. Oh God,
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that was a little too hot. Yeah, listen, we didn't look. Look,
nothing has been decided here. Don't worry about it. It's
like it reminds me when Les Miles a couple of
years ago, there was that issue that popped up towards
the year before he actually got fired at L s U,
where there was a game left in the season and
a report came out from from somewhere that less Miles
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was going to be out of a job, that they
were going to fire him on Monday, and then less
Miles goes and does his Coaches show from some pool
hall in Baton Rouge somewhere, and people are crying and
people are upset about it, and less Miles is responding
to the rumors and all that stuff, and then the
a d for L s who comes out and says, oh,
we love less so we're not getting rid of less
Miles because they got such negative pushback, and then ultimately
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they ended up firing him a year later, four games
into the season. Like teams and organizations do this when
they're not really sure how something's going to sound or
how it's going to be perceived from the public or
the fan base or anybody else. Out there, so they'll
drop hints or they'll use the media to leak something
just to see what kind of pushback they get. And
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that's exactly what the Dolphins did here. It made it
made no sense for the Dolphins to drop that, to
just drop it out of nowhere and say, oh, yeah,
well suspension if you violate the anthem policy, and then
a couple of hours later come back can say no,
we haven't decided on an you think. I don't know
where that came from. Yeah, I don't know how you
quantify it. I don't know how Like you sit down here, like, okay,
five's too much. With three is definitely not enough. Let's
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do up to four. That should be good. That's That's
one of the issues that I have with this. And
and you're gonna see tweets and for some reason, and
this may be a bit of a tangent Jonas, someone
is going to tweet kneeling for the national anthem suspension
versus drug suspension versus domestic abuse suspension, and then someone's
gonna get ten thousand retweets because it's like, what in
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the what that is the NFL doing. This all started
when the NFL wanted to set a punishment policy for
the national anthem, and that's where Jonas I thought it
was going away. I mean I really I hoped it was.
It was it was. It was starting to die down.
I think even the players realized that the message was
getting so skewed that there were other ways that maybe
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they needed to make their message. Not that it was
right or wrong that they were kneeling, but it started.
I thought this offseason was going to be about the message,
about the dialogue, about the communication, and what changes that
they could make, because the kneeling obviously brought attention in
positive and negative ways for the National Football League. But
I would say that I don't know if we were
going to go into the season and focus on the
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kneeling anymore. I think that there would have been a
few players that we're going to do it. And once
the NFL said there's going to be punishments for players
who don't abide by our national anthem policy, then the
players are like, wait, what, that's why. Gerald Casey is like, well,
I'm just gonna protest. Remember the Jets ownership at the time,
I had to come out and say we'll cover any
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fine that our players have for this that just to
me was the start of just a bad idea. It
was going to go away by itself. It may not
have clearly been eradicated, but it was not going to
be the issue that dominated the season like it did.
You ever burned the roof of your mouth on a
piece of pizza out of the oven? Yes, Tuesday, still healing,
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But I'll guess I will be willing to bet that
the next time you cook pizza in the oven, you're
a little bit more careful, right, because you don't want
to burn your mouth again. Nobody wants that. It feels terrible.
The NFL burned the roof of their mouth when they
started interjecting themselves into punishments and it didn't go too well.
And then they said, well, let's go ahead and take
another bite out of this the anthem policy, and they
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burn the roof of their mouth again. They can't stop.
Every time the NFL has an issue over the past
two or three years, and it turns into a big
hot button topic and people are fed up with the
NFL and the way they handle this stuff. It's always
them trying to interject themselves into stuff that's not between
the lines. Stop every like just look at your history,
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look at when you've when you've made mistakes, or when
you've gotten bad press or bad pr when you've tried
to jump into different discussions and and enter into conversations
about punishment or the anthem policy, stay out of it.
I I was hoping it was done with. I was
hoping this didn't happen. Uh. The fact that training camp
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is already upon us and for two teams, and coming
up next week for other teams, or this weekend, whenever
the specific dames are that you want to report, the
fact that this is still a conversation is crazy. And
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Radio app. We think that the NBA's offseason, at least
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free agency and the trades pretty much over. With what
we've been wrong before, Maybe here to correct us and
help us out with what is going on in the
association and where Carmelo Anthony may finally land. Michael Lee,
whose sports covering the NBA, joining us on this Friday.
Hey Michael, how are you? I'm doing great, wonderful? How
are you? We are doing well? Let's start out with Camelo.
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Is that the Rockets or bust where he is going
to head next after being traded yesterday? He appears that way.
I mean, that's where he's been one to play since
last summer. Um. You know, that's where he was first
one you know, wave his no trade clause because he
wanted to team up with Chris Paul. You gotta remember, um,
back in two thousand and ten when you get married. Uh,
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Chris Paul had that famous toast where he's like, you know,
to the Knicks and he he was gonna go play
with Carmelo. They were gonna team up together and former
super team to counter with Miami. Uh, with Wade and
Lebron had done in Miami. So this is something that's
been in the works for a long time. Uh. They've
played together on the Olympics. And you know, you look
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at Carmelo's career the areas where you know, the tip
the times when he's had the most success as women,
he's played with a really quality point guard yet Johnson
Phillips in Denver and they went to the conference finals.
He adjacent Kidd with the Knicks. They want up winning
the division and win in a playoff series. That's the
only post success he's ever had. Chris Paul is is,
you know, right up there in the kid category and
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one of the great greatest point guards of all time.
And he just has the ability to hit the Paul
right where he needs it to get good shots, you know,
and if anybody can make it easier for him, that's
what's gonna help. You Know. You might say, well, why
didn't it work from Oklahoma City? Russell Westbrook's not Chris
Paul when it comes to playmaking. You know, he gets
the assistant, but it's not like he's setting up guys
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to get them really in a rhythm, in a good groove.
That's one of the reasons why guys tend to struggle
when they play with him. But Chris Paul, he makes
it so much easier. And I think that's where he
winds up playing because it just makes the most sense
for him. There's an opening there with Trevor Reads are
gone and Lupamute gone as well, so they happen needed
it small forward. He is a liability defensively. He is
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getting older, um and he's not gonna be able to
carry a team. But he's not gonna have to with
James Harden the m v P. They're gonna do most
of the heavy lifting. He is Michael Lee. It covers
the NBA for Y'allhoo Sports with Us here on Fox
Sports Radio, Dan Buyer Jonas knocks him for Doug Gottlieb.
Michael just for me because I feel like Carmelo Anthony
is kind of easy to pick on that A lot
of fans, a lot of people in the media, pilon
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Carmelo Anthony. I mean, first career, he's averaging twenty four
points a game. He's a first ballot Hall of Fame,
as a media member, as somebody who has covered the
NBA for a long time, what does he like to
deal with He's been great, Um, you know throughout his career.
I mean you think about a guy that was in
New York and spoke to him every book, to reporters
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there every day. You know, I was able to communicate
his message and get it across every single day and
shoot around after the game. He never ducked um, even
when the situations got hot, Even when Phil Jackson will
make kind of ridiculous comments about him publicly, he fessed
he was there to face the music. If the team failed,
he fessed up and took responsibility. So, Um, he's been
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great with the media. I think just one of the
reasons why, you know, Um, he doesn't generally get ripped
in the in the press. A lot of fans are
angry with him because they want to see more success
from him. But he's always been cordial, he's always been accommodating,
and he's always been willing to talk and make his case. Um.
So yeah, I don't know many guys in the press
would have a problem with Carmello Anthony because the one
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thing about him too is that he's usually pretty force right.
He's not gonna b issue. Michael Lee joining us here
on Fox Sports Radio. He's Jonas Knox. I'm Dan Buyer
in for Doug Gottlieb today. Of course, Michael senior writer
for y'all Who's Sports. We talked earlier about and we
heard from Massi U Jerry other Toronto Raptors coming out
today talking about the trade that brings them Kawhi Leonard,
Jonas and I both had a tough time figuring out
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a way that Messiah Jerry could have handled things differently.
He did apologize to DeMar de Rosen today, did he
have a reason to really apologize to his former star
player if if he definitely made a promise to him
or made it seemed that he was going to be
a part of their long term future. I think he
did all the public of policy, because dMar definitely did
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call him out publicly and say, you know, you say
one thing and then go on to another. Um, he
was called out publicly, So if that was actually the case,
and I think he definitely owed him apology. But with
this there was nothing that he could have done. It
would make the bar feel better because he never wanted
to leave. So it's just the really the nature of business.
If you have an opportunity to get better, to get
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one of the top five players in the game, a
guy who can actually elevate you to a championship, to
that caliber status, then you kind of have to go
for it. You know, UM, you know, you have loyalty,
you have connections, emotional connections, and I think he mentioned
that they've known each other for the last five years,
They've worked together closely. They've elevated Left, lifted the Raptors
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to the highest levels they had gone. But if you
want to go higher. You saw the last postseason the unfortunately,
as great as he's been, the mars just not good
enough to carry you any further than what he has.
Kauai has the potential to go that go that far.
He's the finals MVP. He's a guy that's lit a
team to seven wins into the conference finals multiple times.
So he is a truly elite player, Defensive Player of
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the Year, you know, UM, a guy that players of that
that caliber are available very often, so UM when he
became when the opportunity came up, it it would be
really hard to say, no, we can't make this move
because we really like to Mark that much. UM. You
kind of have to do what you have to do.
And his his obligations to his owners and to the UH,
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to all the people that support the Raptors that want
to win, they want to win a championship. That's who
he's responsible to first and foremost, and anything else in
terms of emotions and loyalty and hurt and and everything else.
You can address that later. But his number one objective
is to try to help Raptors win games. And his
Kauai is there and he's going to be able to
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do that. Then you've got to roll the dice and
see what you can get. Michael leave y'all, who's sports
with us here on Fox Sports Radio, covers the NBA
Damn Buyer, Jonas knocks and for Doug Gottlieb And what's
what's funny about this whole deal is DeMar de Rosen
is not happy about it. Uh, Kawhi Leonard seemingly isn't
happy about it. But can't you argue that both of
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these guys are in better situations now than they were
before the trade? I don't. I mean, I guess in
the sense that Kawai's in the East, he's in a
better situation. But I don't know if there's any situations
much better than the Saxon Spurs. Um if they've they've
already proven that they can win a championship there and
that you can become an elite player there. So um,
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there's still a lot of questions about what can be
done in Toronto with a with a rookie coach and
uh with a lot of young guys who are a
lot of young improving guys outside of Kyle Larry. So yeah,
I think dMar maybe going to a better situation I
think he's going to uh proving Hall of Fame coach
guy who's known to maximize the talents of his guys
and to also, um, you know, any flaws that you have,
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he can hide those, you know he can he can
make sure that your strength are the ones that shine
through you. You've seen it with players like Boars Dial.
You've seen role players become stars. You've seen stars become superstars,
and you've seen the superstars become Hall of famers playing
in that Spur system. So you're gonna be raised to
that next level just about being in that system. Um,
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that's one of the things that I think Damar actually
get to upgrade with Kauaia. There's so many questions because,
for one, we still don't know if he's healthy. We
also don't know where it's heads at in terms of
whether he's going to give his all to you know,
this franchise, or if he just feels like I'm just
going to play out my contract and didn't go to
l A next year. Summer League is wrapped up in
the NBA putting a boat on that Trailblazers when we
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all laugh. Josh hartwins the m v P and We're like, Wow,
he's gonna be something to the Lakers. I mean, is
that is that fair? Is that something to take from
from a summer league? Is it? Is it more about
what we're finding out about individuals? How do you view
summer league? And can we really take like a performance
by Josh Hard and think that it is going to
translate to help the Los Angeles Lakers. Who was m
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VP last year Summer League? Isn't it Alonzo? Yeah? And
what did he do? I'm just saying, like it means nothing,
Just a to opportunity, rap with that a court and
try not to get hurt. You know. It's just a
way to to prove that you're not a scrub. Essentially.
That's how I look at it. Um, if you go
out there and you play well, then that's that's cool.
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If you are like a second or third year player
and you look awful them, I'm starting to worry about
if you're ever gonna become something special in the NBA.
So for a rookie or whatever, Um, if he goes
there and doesn't play well or play as well, I'm
not going to overreact, but I'm more concerned about, like
to say, a second or third year guy that's that's
still out there, and it's like a Dragon Binder or
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somebody who hadn't made shown any progress um a while
he's still playing summer league. So I don't put too
much value in it. It's just for me. It just
basically confirms who's the sprogum? Who is it? Is this
a Lakers thing? And the only reason I bring this
up is because Josh out of the Lakers, you mentioned
a Lonzo Ball and there was a lot of hype
when the Lakers won this summer league last year. And
I also think back to the years of when Jordan
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Clarkson kind of emerged on the scene when the Lakers
were awful, and we're like, hey, Jordan Clarkson could really
be a piece of this Lakers team. So yeah, well
they want twenty games. That's why he's averaging sixteen points
per contest. This is Is this just like a Lakers
thing that we've got going where we want to blow meaningless,
you know, games out of proportion. I don't know. I
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don't know if it is. Don't worry Michael it is.
I'll take people invest I don't think people invest as
much that much into summer League as as as we
some people think, uh you know, like I said, GM,
they don't. They don't put too much value. They just
want to make sure these guys stay in shape and
and and look like they can they can contribute. But
when it comes to the Lakers, everything's gonna be out
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of proportion because of the Lakers is one of the
most story franchises in the history. Uh. You know, when
you add a guy like Lebron to the mix, you know,
that's just like throwing um you know, mentals in the
in the diet coke. You know that thing's gonna blow
up now like people whatever it is. You know, the
Lakers are a big deal. So um it's it's gonna
be blown out of proportion no matter what. Um. So
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that's that, just as that comes from being a relevant franchise,
even if you're bad, if you're relevant, people are gonna
overreact to everything. Michael, I'm not asking you to air
anybody out here, all right, unless you want to, unless
you want to give some names or at least some
initials as to some names. But we know this about
the NFL combine at the NFL Combine in Indianapolis. Basically, yeah,
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you're there to watch players and scout players. But most
of those coaches are sitting in the stands timing a
forty yard dash and they're hungover out of their mind.
Because it's basically where coaches get together. I've heard stories
coaches on on tables and restaurants bombed out of their mind.
It's sort of a social gathering, a place where you
kind of mess around and to and talk shop and
all that. What is Summer League really like for executives?
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We know it's important that the guys trying to make
the team, the assistant coaches that are getting a chance
to run a team by themselves for the first time,
But what's it really like for insiders and executives there?
Um well, I mean it's it's Vegas. I mean, so
you know, let's stay there, you know, okay, half there,
so to stay there. But for the most part, it
is an opportunity to to meet to um to network.
(30:50):
Uh you know, you guys that are out of work,
you know, try to give jobs. You know, because everybody's there,
do you have access to the the time spend time to
have a conversation. Um, So you might be a co
that just got fired, you have actually go down there
and try to get a new job. So it's really
it's really about networking. It's about you know, going out
maybe maybe having a couple of drinks somewhere and discussing
UH with an agent, you know, getting a contract done. Um,
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you know, going there working out, having having an agent
invite a GM to a workout, and then in Vegas
they'll come there and watch the player, they'll have further
negotiations from there. Um. So it's a lot. It's a
lot that goes on beyond just what happens the summer league. Um.
And I'm sure that you know, some guys like to
get it in and I have a good time play poker,
gamble a little bit. Um. I know that there was
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a stretch where like Rich cho U, former GM of
the UH the Charlotte M. Harnets, he was really big
in the ping pong and there was a huge ping
pong UH tournament that went on that Rich show would
usually dominate because he was a great ping pong player. So, um,
that's not as a scandalous to say, like maybe a
hangover type movie situation, but uh, that's the kind of
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stuff that goes on in Vegas. He's Michael Lee covering
the NBA for y'all whose sports. Find him on Twitter
at Mr Michael Lee. We appreciate it, Michael, have a
good summer. Hey, thank you guys for having to appreciate it.
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to talk about the NFL and maybe so much more.
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Are good buddy from Sirius sex m NFL Radio A
long time NFL reporter Alex Marvez joining us. Hey, Alex,
how are you? Dan Jonas doing absolutely fabuous. We've gotta
get the Jonas knocks a blue cheddar, a blue Twitter check.
By the way, we need to get this one done.
You know, I know Dan, you have and I have it.
You know, we just I feel like we'll be an
exclusionary here. I'm not trying to be more like an
(32:39):
elitist or something, but let's let's get Jonas is check.
I like being uh, I like remembering where I came from.
You know, I'm good with the no blue check mark.
I'm good with it being really impostors come out. That's
the problem. You have Jonas. I did have a fake
Twitter account and they sent out better tweets than I did,
so that, yeah, they happened once. That did happen along
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a long time ago. What about the Miami Dolphins apparently
sent to the NFL and and I guess their response today, Alex,
we did read this statement by Stephen Ross saying that
that there is still open dialogue going in there proposed
four game suspension. I guess wasn't a final decision. What
are your thoughts on what happened? And I don't want
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to say to the Miami Dolphins in this because it
seems like a bigger situation. Well, what happened to the
Miami Dolphins in the NFL with all this? Well, I
mean the Miami Dolphins got put in a tough spot, right,
I mean, listen, they're asked. You know, let first off,
this was a leaked document, Okay, so somebody wanted this
message out there about what the Dolphins had put in
their nine page proposal to the players outlining team rules.
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And I do believe Stephen Ross when he says that
this was a placeholder policy, because do you know what
the policy is? Do? I don't know what the policy is.
Nobody knows what the policy is. For example, what if
we all lock arms and sway back and forth like
teams did in the NFL, is that proper anthem protocol?
Are you required to stand with your hand on your
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on your chest, you know when you when you do
the national anthem? What is it that that the NFL
is requiring from its players? Nobody knows. Oh and by
the way, the NFL finally remembering that the NFL Players
Association is actually you know, like the union is somewhat
of an important part of the league, you know, the
players themselves, because they've been acting, you know, arbitrarily on
their own behalf to try to get their own anthem
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policy and not really including the players when it comes
to anthem discussions as to how they're going to handle it.
So now you know, you see what happens. A few
hours later, after the news on the Dolphins comes out
that the NFL and nfl PA have agreed to a
standstill right now of any enforcement of rules. And of course,
the NFL p A had filed a grievance against the
NFL saying it was illegal under the labor pack that
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they had agreed to for them to enforce these types
of rules. It wasn't something that was collectively bargained between
the two sides. So long story short, we're basically back
right where we were two years ago with Colin Kaepernick,
and no, it doesn't seem to be any imminent change
of forthcoming. Serious x M NFL insider Alex Marvez with
us here on Fox Sports Radio. Alex, what are the
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chances we see a trade a deal involving a veteran
player on the move this training camp season? I think
there's a pretty good chance of Earl Thomas, you know,
picking up stakes if the Seahawks lower their price tag
and the Cowboys are unhappy with what they have at safety.
You know, I think there's concerned, you know, how much
you know good football does Earl Thomas have left? Do
you want to be you know, paying down the road
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for a player He's twenty nine years old and he's
played in the NFL I think since two thousand and eleven.
I believe it's a year that he entered the league,
and you know, look, so that the Cowboys don't want
to be stuck paying having to pay a player or
take a cap hit for someone who's in their thirties
who's not productive? So I think there needs to They
need to be convinced that Earl Thomas is that guy.
I think they're going to give all the members of
their secondary a chance to prove that they can be
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difference makers. Remember, too, if you pay Earl Thomas with
a big money contract, that's money you're taking away from
potentially resigning to Marcus Lawrence and some other contract issues
that this team has. But Earl Thomas is a guy
to watch. If it's not the Dallas Cowboys, is there
a team out there that believes Earl is the answer
and would Earle be willing to resign with that team
down the road. I think teams don't want to have
to use a franchise tag on Earle or even a
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transition tag if they don't have to. He obviously says,
you know, we told the Seahawks on Instagram this week,
extend me or trade me. The Seahawks ain't extending him.
I don't know if they're going to trade him either,
but that is the big name for to me to
watch during the preseason. I know we're playing hypothetical, but
if that scene doesn't play out that we saw at
the end of that game last year between the Seahawks
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and Cowboys, and with Earl Thomas, do the Cowboys have
as much leverage? I mean, it seems like with with
Earl Thomas saying, you know, come and get me, and
him seemingly only want to play for Dallas. Is as
you said, with the long term deal if that doesn't
play out, are are we in this situation? Is Earl
Thomas on another teams Dallas give it a second round pick?
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Can can we even guess that way? Alex? We'll see.
Here's the thing. The Seahawks wanted like a third round
pick for the guy, from what I understand, and nobody
was willing to do that because of all the all
the contract ramifications that come with it, and maybe there's
concerns that are all. You know, does he lose a
step as he gets a little bit older. You know,
there's an injury history whether all when you think about
that time that he missed with that leg injury at
the end of the season. I'm just saying that, no,
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he muddied the waters for sure, because he has made
it very clear he wants to go to the Dallas Cowboys.
But you know, and the Seahawks know this, and in
fact it, to be quite honest with you, maybe Earl
Thomas destroyed his leverage right. Maybe this would have been
done very quietly behind the scenes and not put the
ball in the Cowboys court, and then you could have
that discussion, you know, between John Schneider and Jerry Jones,
or you'd want to make that deal for Earl Thomas.
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I think though, if the if the price drops into
a lower pick, like your sixth round pick, fifth round
pick maybe or something. Even if it was something where
if Earl Thomas hit certain incentives and then you know,
it goes from a six round pick to a fifth
round pick something like that, Yeah, I think that there
could potentially be a deal struck. But again, the Cowboys,
if this was a team that had better salary cap
management through the years, it's one thing to bring on
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Earl Thomas. Guess what Cowboys haven't had that? Alex Marvez
serious x m NFL Insider with us here on Fox
Sports Radio, Dan Buyer, Jonas Knox in for Doug Gottlieb.
What happens next with Julio Jones. Julio shows up in plays,
I believe, and you know there's still there's that outside possibility.
Do you throw Julio Jones and incentive clause and not
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likely to be earned incentive clause? Now here's Jonas. This
is hard to believe, considering Julio Jones caught more than
fourteen hundred yards worth of football's last year. The guys
scored three touchdowns three touchdowns in Steve sarkisian first year
as offensive coordinator. So let's say you put in and
not likely to be earned incentive that you could do
that he would be that he would score more than
(38:39):
three touchdowns, and that's how you would categorize it. And
then as Julio starts to score, he's able to collect
some extra bonus money. But the problem with the Falcon's
faith here is that if you do this for Julio Jones,
you have said a precedent for other star players who
may be unhappy with their deal. I do believe that
they would consider reapproaching Julio at the age of thirty,
see where he is at, and try to give him
(39:00):
a new contract. I'll know what the Stillers did with
Antonio Brown. They would they would they were willing to
go back and and and re up him and give
him some extra cash if he added a year onto
his contract. You know the thing with Julio though, also
you you gotta wonder a guy that's had as many
leg injuries as him, how much good football does he
have left? I mean, you know, because you don't want
to be throwing good money after bad If you understand
what I'm saying, They've already given him a huge amount
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of money. It's not like this is the guy who's
never cashed in like a Levy on Bell. I get it,
and that he wasn't a first round pick. He was
a second round pick. He's trying to make up cash.
But but in the case of Julio Jones, not only
did he get first round money, the guy signed a
mega deal with the Atlanta Falcons just three years ago. Yeah,
I guess what the market has changed. There are better
players out there, not better, but there are guys who
are making more money than you right now, specifically Brandon
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Cooks and Sammy Watkins. At sixteen million dollars a year.
Odell Beckham Jr. Is gonna raise that bar as well.
But guess what, maybe you should have known that when
you agreed to this long term contract extension that you
wanted another bite at the apple two years later and
told the Falcons, no, I'm only going to play under
a two year contract. Then you would have had a
chance to hit free agency or under the franchise hag
and make more money than what you're making right now.
Alex Andrew Luck is not heading to the Populist surprised
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at all? Or is this a part of the plan
that we always hear with the Indianapolis Calds. Is this
business as usual as he tries to come back. You know,
one thing, I think you're going to see that that
that you wouldn't if he were you know, if it
weren't for all the shoulder damage that he had suffered,
I think you would see him probably throwing in camp
every day. I mean, he's not like you're trying to
save his arm like Peyton Manning or something that you know,
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you're going to give him a veterans day off. He's
going to start getting some of those veterans day off,
you know, during training camp. So you know, but that again,
as long as the guy shows up, plays on Sunday
and he's in sync with his wide receivers, you know,
he doesn't have to throw a zillion, you know, times
during practice to still be Andrew luck. But it's positive.
But you know, you look at the depth on this team,
You look at questions at the wide receiver position outside
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of t Y Hilton and Ryan Grant, you know, there's
really not very much there very little depth, you know,
you look. I mean, I think the offensive line will
be better, in fact, they made such a huge investment
in it. But how good do you feel about Marlon
Mack being your leader running back? Especially with Robert and
even when Robert Turbin returns from a four game suspension,
how good you're feeling with Robert Turbot as your lead
running back? And listen on the defensive side of the football,
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Razor Thin at some spots, especially the linebacking corps looks
pretty shaky. So there's still a ways to go for
the Coals to become legitimate contenders once again. But I
do believe the franchise is headed in the right direction
and has moved beyond the Josh McDaniels debacle. Getting Andrew
look back on the field has gone a long way
toward doing that as well. Alex, you surprised that Brandon
Cooks was signed to an extension before Aaron Donald in
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l A Well, yes and no. I mean I think
that in the case of Cooks, this was a different
type of deal because it doesn't affect two thousand and eighteen.
You know, it basically added five years on his on
to the you know, after the final year of his
rookie contract, so he's going to play out his fifth
year and then he starts getting those big pay days
coming up in two thousand and nineteen, you know. And listen,
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I think the ramp for me one. Shame on you
with Sammy Watkins, right, they make that trade thinking that
they're gonna get you know, Sammy Watkins signed to a
long term contracts extension, and but I don't know if
they really truly gauge the market in the right way.
Did they know that the Kansas City Chiefs are gonna
be willing to pay Sammy sixteen million dollars a year plus?
They decided that LaMarcus Joiner was a cheaper option in
terms of the safety position. You could for the franchise
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tag on him, and then they would be active in
the trade market trying to get a top flight wide receiver.
They did just that. When it came to Brandon Cook,
so great deal there. Another big question is will Aaron
Donald get his deal done and it's going to hit
that twenty million dollar mark. I really think we're playing
a game of chicken here between Khalil Max agents and
Aaron Donald's agents. Who's going to be the one that
signs that twenty million dollar a year first? You know
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what I mean that type of deal first, because everyone's
looking to become the first twenty million dollar a year
defensive player. Then once one guy signs, the other guy
can sign maybe for a dollar more. When it comes
to the game of chicken, I've been on rend McCormick.
That's a foot loose reference for everyone out there, Alex Alex,
what's the training camp tour? When does it start? Where
are you going? How long does it last? What have
(42:55):
you got on tapp? Three straight weeks that will be
on the road for serious X of NFL Radio beginned
Dallas Cowboys camp next Friday. Gil Brand and I will
be out there and we're looking forward to seeing the
Fox Sports radio crew in fact heading out to beautiful
ox Nord to check out the Cowboys and broadcasting. After that.
We got that, we got the Arizona Cardinals. We have
the Los Angeles or the San Diego Chargers. Take that back,
(43:17):
nickol in the Square Jar. We have the Los Angeles Charger.
We have the Los Angeles Rams. I've got four days
in camat the Pro Football Hall of Fame. We got
the Carolina Panthers, we got the Atlanta Falcons, the Denver Broncos,
the Jacksonville Jaguars, the Kansas City Chiefs, and we wrapped
things up with the Detroit Lions on August fift So
on the go from head to toe with Gil Brandon. Listen,
he's only eighty five years old. He's much faster than
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I am. Still to this very day, happy to be
with the godfather of Series X of NFL Radio. Gonna
have some great shows and hopefully, though in between those shows,
I'll be making more appearances on Fox Sports. I am
stunned right now that Alex Marvez is not going to
be making an appearance in NAPA this season. Yeah, that
one's a little bit sticky and it just didn't work
out for the for the schedule that we had. Very
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a pointing. I know that some of the locals, some
of the listen, it's an economic impact on those folks.
You realize how much money they lose and not selling
wine when I'm out there restaurant, when I'm not out there.
I mean, this is this is a big financial blow
for these folks. In fact, I think some folks would
petition the Raiders just to get going eye out there,
just because of the type of impact we would make
(44:20):
on that local economy. And NAPA so disappointing. Not gonna
be there, you know what, They'll They'll be in Vegas
soon enough. I think I'll find ways to get out
there and see him at that point. Other enough, I
think writer fans are gonna need a lot of wine
this season. And John, I'm with you on that. I'm
not buying this team. In fact, on Tuesday Night, maybe
just maybe on a serious sex m show, they will
be the annual They would be the winner of my
annual paper, Michee Lombardi Troup. Yes, given to the team
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that that wins the offseason. Of course it dissipates when
it gets wet and then becomes goes back to just
paste a newspaper, but nonetheless we give out this trophy
every year. I think the Raiders may be the one
that wins it. We'll see on Tuesday night. Alex Marvez,
Sirius sex m NFL RADYO fin him on Twitter at
al to my ves. Appreciate it, Alex. Safe travels because
thanks so much. Begain
This is the best of the Done Dot Lea show
on sports radio. Okay, I'm not I'm not too sure.
Oh yeah, there he is. John Robinson is here as well.
There he is. It's a Friday on this weekend. I think, Jonas,
I think, I really think this has got to be
the end of of the drama and the NBA. We finally,
(00:21):
we finally, maybe when Carmelo signs with the Houston Rockets
or whoever. But Lebron has made his decision, Kauai has
been traded, Mellow has been dealt. I think everything is
pretty much been sorted out, so we can kind of
put a bowl on the movement in the NBA off season.
(00:42):
Isn't it about July twenties seems to be a a
long date. I know, with free agency the last few years,
but these situations haven't seemed to drag out, and even
the Kyrie Irving trade in August almost felt like it
was the start of the next season where I just
now feel like, Okay, now we're gonna we're find the
things of the NBA are going to get a breather
(01:03):
because everything that we thought could happen really already has happened. Um,
but I think that you're sort of you're underestimating NBA
players because it feels like we're always just a small
minor transaction away from an NBA player going on social
(01:23):
media with huh loyalty question mark s m A. We
got that this week from one derision man. Maybe maybe
his refusal or Kawai's refusal to go to Toronto or
de Mars to San Antonio would be a story that continues.
But now that we've now that all these things have happened,
(01:46):
I just don't know the domino that could naturally happen.
I don't know. Maybe I don't know if that's organically,
if if some if some player is unhappy. I just
think that everything is settled. And and on Toronto side
of things, we finally heard why the Raptors ended up
making a deal to acquire Kawai Leonard. Not that you
(02:08):
or I needed an explanation, not that the fan base
in Toronto needed an explanation, but maybe the likes of
I don't know, DeMar de Rosen needed an exclamation for
that point that you just made from his Instagram post
that he made earlier this week when he was dealt
to the San Antonio Spurs. I just got a text
that says, oh, okay, let's see um right now. NBA offseason. Yeah, yes,
(02:32):
it is about to end. Just got the update. So hopefully,
hopefully this is the end of what we've got. Let
me Okay, if you were to ask an NFL player,
all right, listen, here's the deal. You're going to get
NBA guaranteed contracts. But there's a downside. Yeah, what is it?
They might trade you when you don't want to be traded. Okay,
(02:53):
where do I sign? All right, I'll take that, go ahead.
I mean, guaranteed contracts, guaranteed money. I mean, come on, man,
it's like even Isaiah Thomas Mr. Pitty Party himself such
a cry baby with his s m h Man, no
loyalty anymore in the n B A shut up your
five eight. You've made thirty two million dollars stop all right,
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A guy got traded. Big deal. I know that they
want to apologize and say, well, you know, there was
just some misinformation. We we we talked to Damar, I
get all that, but let's it's not the end of
the world. He's still making a ton of money. He's
playing for a great coach in a great system in
San Antonio. Everything is fine here. Let's not be over dramatic.
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You know what's amazing is when you said the s MH.
I thought it was the Khi Leonard post, and I
even said as much, But it was the Isaiah Thomas post.
I post was this be told one thing and the
outcome another. Can't trust them, ain't no loyalty of this game.
Sell you a quick for a little bit of nothing.
Soon you'll understand. Don't disturb. That's that was the Kahi
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Leonard So I wanted to be factor accurate. But there
are many I guess ways for NBA players, So maybe
I am wrong. Maybe I shouldn't put it past them
to send something like this out if something happens to
the office. You know who you can't trust. You can't
trust your wife when you come home early from work
and she's in your bedroom with the Direct TV guy
and they're doing more than one installation. You know what
(04:18):
I mean? Like, that's who you can't trust. Enough. Man,
you're getting your money, You're in a better situation. Stop. Yeah,
the the WiFi just won't work. They're gonna have to
come over again today. That's why have anybody seen my remote.
I just can't seem to find it. The Toronto Raptors
spoken while they pulled this deal off with the San
Antonio Spurs, specifically their general manager, Missau Jerry. It's been
(04:40):
an interesting offseason, to say the least for the Toronto Raptors,
who said goodbye to their head coach and goodbye to
their then star player. These were the reasons why, according
to the GM, we've given a chance to this team. UM,
we've tried to build it as much as we can.
UM at this point, we got to this level where
this up triunity came in front of us and we
(05:02):
have to we have to jump on it, preach absolutely.
This is and this is what's difficult to understand. If
you're an NBA player, in your ego is fairly large.
This is what is difficult for you to comprehend, is
that there may be someone in the NBA better than you,
and there may be someone in the NBA that your
current team values more than you. And that is what
(05:23):
Massia hu Jury is saying, specifically in my mind about
Tamar DeRozan, and we've talked about this, jonas would the
Raptors actually made the move with Dwayne Casey, knowing that
Kawhi Leonard would have been available to them via a
trade later in the off season. But Massi Hujeri has
pulled off one of the greatest I don't want to
say heists in sports, but usually it goes coach GM
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player of who you let go players. Usually usually the
last one. Coach is easy to get rid of. You
can't get rid of the whole team. Things aren't well
get rid of the coach. Next up usually would have
been the general manager, especially if you've signed that player
to a con tract that basim seven million dollars a year.
Zer He's like, all right, we'll get rid of the
player and the coach and I'm still here. If you
were dating somebody and they treated you like crap, and
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you found somebody that you thought was going to treat
you better, could you imagine if your X came up
to you and said, what the hell do you think
you're doing breaking up with me? I don't know. I
don't like being physically assaulted and cheated on all the time.
What do you think I'm doing? The idea that there
you just have to hold like you improved, you got better.
That's how it works. To mar de Rozen. They had
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an opportunity to get better and they took the opportunity.
They did nothing wrong here. You shouldn't be apologizing there.
Like the the idea that you feel people feel bad
for these players is crazy to me. That's exactly the
message Missile Jeri sent today. And while they got Kawhi Leonard.
That's why we play, That's why we play sports, is
to win, to compage for a championship. So you are
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really excited about this, bringing a top five player in
the NBA and to a fold and hopefully this kind
of elevate us as much as we want a simple
as that it is. Really it is plain as day
and it's laid out there, and I just don't understand
how other people can't understand what the Toronto Raptors did.
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Compete for a championship. That team was swept by a
one man show. And even though Lebron James wasn't in
the Eastern Conference, what had to take him six games
to get through Washington in the first round. I mean,
for for a team that we thought was the best
of the regular season, then there was yell, Lebron's gone.
But there's no guarantee that you're gonna beat the Boston
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team that's better or an improving Philadelphia team. They took
the chance. It's it's simple math to me. It all
adds up if like you imagine if our boss said, hey, listen, guys,
so we know you're filling in from Doug. Uh, it's
from twelve to three Pacific three to six Eastern time. Um, yeah,
we're gonna move that. It's gonna be from three to
six Pacific time, six to nine Eastern time. There's no
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loyalty anymore, Dan f you Shapiro, there's no loyalty anymore. Man,
You're still in employed, you still have a job. You're
still making millions and millions of dollars. All you did
was move a little bit. It's not that big of
a deal. You didn't get cut. This is in the
NFL where you sign a contract and all of a sudden,
a year later they say bye bye, And all you
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made was was four million dollars guaranteed. You're still getting paid. Like,
why why all of a sudden the NBA players they've
they've got the guaranteed contracts, they've got all the marketing
potentials in the world. Uh, there are some of the
biggest celebrity superstar athletes in the world. But they have
to have this as well too. We would like saying
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where we end up, you already get enough saying where
you end up. There was an opportunity to get better,
and they took it, period, and they should have. You
used our radio profession as an example of how things
are maybe how people shouldn't take things and and blow
them out of proportion. And in our business in radio,
the ugly side of radio is when somebody does this
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show on Friday and the boss is, once you come
up to my office after your show, Yeah, that's that's
not a good that's not a good thing. And it
would be whether you work in a metals factory, whether
you work at an insurance agency, whether you work at
a supermarket. They aren't going to say to you, you
know what, we are thinking about moving on from you.
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Um after your shift today, So go ahead and do
your show, do your shift at the medals factory. Afterwards,
come on in and we're gonna probably have to make
a decision about your future. Could you could you imagine
if that was the case, because the reason I bring
that up is that's what Tomarja rosen is so mad
about is saying that that he was told that he's
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going to be a part of this team and then
they went and traded him. And it may not be right, Jonas,
but that's what businesses. Could you imagine if Messiah Jerry said,
we do have you on the shopping block, We do
have you. We are looking to trade you for a
better player. We don't know if we can do it,
but we just wanted to let you know. Like there's
there's no way that they could do that, just like
is no way you would tell a radio host you're
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gonna lose your job in three hours. But go ahead,
crack them ike and say whatever you want. Look, things change, man,
That's just life. That's how it works. It's why people
get divorced. When you're when you're spending thousands and thousands
of dollars on your wedding day and you're saying your
ID is and you're having a dance and your smearing
cake on each other's face, and all your buddies are
getting rip roaring drunk, and one of them such a
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toolbox that he puts his his tie around his head
like he's like it's a bandana and he's just a
knob and everybody thinks he's so cool, and then two
years later you're getting divorced. That wasn't the plan on
the wedding day, but things change. People change. You've got
an opportunity many times over to try and accomplish something
in Toronto and you didn't get it done. They needed
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to make a change. And if I'm a Raptors fan,
if there are Raptors fans, if I'm a Raptors fan,
I'm like, you know what good for our organization. They
saw an opportunity to get better. They're willing to take
a chance. He's probably not going to sign here long term,
so we're really risking at all. But at least we know,
at the very least, we're going to be better than
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we were a year ago. We only heard dear Dear
Rosen side of things from his Instagram post. Now we
hear Massa Yuzeri side of things, as he addressed the
situation with DeMar, dear Rosen earlier in my position, you know, um,
you you always have to be opening what you can do.
Both of us had a conversation and mean, DeMar know
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what that conversation was, And maybe I should have handled it. Um,
you know that better. Um, that's that's what I'm apologizing for. Well,
there you go. Hey, sorry, I'm sorry. We got a
top five, top ten player in the NBA and a
very good veteran defender who can shoot the three. Sorry
about that. Adamar Listen man, terrible news. Got a got
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a really bad news for you. We're gonna we're trading
you back to the US and uh, you're gonna play
for a coach is more like four of your titles
and they're always good. Oh, by the way, you're gonna
keep your twenty seven billion dollars. I'm so sorry, Like,
oh my god. You know I said yesterday that the
the Raptors Kauai situation because there's some question about Kauai
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and him wanting to fit in Toronto. It's both sides
getting over a bad breakup. That's what it is. Use
each other for whatever it's worth, take the year, use
that as your rebound for each other, and then move on.
That's all the Toronto Raptors have to do. They've got
nothing to be concerned about. Just move on. Maybe try
to separate yourself from this Eastern Conference regular season champs
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era and falling flat in the playoffs and try to
turn a new page. I give kudos to the Toronto Raptors,
and that's why, that's why. To Dan's point, to sum
it up, moral of the story, if you get an
opportunity cheat that is that is not what I'm saying. Sorry,
not what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, you don't want to
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want to cheat? Upgrade? Sure you know? Yeah yeah, why not?
You know, trade in the old model for a new one. Yeah,
go go right ahead and see how that one works.
Be sure to catch live editions of the Doug gott
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The Miami Dolphins, they're not in the news because of
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training camp. They are in the news because of a
report yesterday that surfaced that a team policy would have
them suspending players as a potential punishment for kneeling during
the national anthem. And they got a lot of heat
and there was a lot of pushback, and then they
came back afterwards a few hours later and said, listen, uh,
(13:35):
we haven't really decided on anything. We have not we
have not made any decisions on anything, and then the
NFL and the n f L p A came out
and said, well, we're still you know, we're gonna go
ahead and pause any talk of punishment and we're going
to try and work through this. And now the Dolphins
have released another statement. The Dolphins have said this today.
This released via their Twitter page, courtesy of owner Stephen Ross. Quote.
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We were asked to submit a form to the NFL
on our overall discipline policy prior to the start of
the rookie report date. The one line sentence related to
the national anthem. It was a placeholder, as we haven't
made a decision on what we would do, if anything,
at that point. I'm pleased at the NFL and NFL
p A are taking a pause to figure out a
resolution on this issue. I am passionate about social justice
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and through the Miami Dolphins and creation of Rise, we
will continue to use the unifying power of sports to
improve race relations and drive social progress. That from the
Miami Dolphins today. Placeholder. What he meant to say was
heat check. Hey, how much heat are we gonna get
if we go ahead and drop this right now? Let's
just go ahead and see what the feedback is. Oh God,
(14:42):
that was a little too hot. Yeah, listen, we didn't look. Look,
nothing has been decided here. Don't worry about it. It's
like it reminds me when Les Miles a couple of
years ago, there was that issue that popped up towards
the year before he actually got fired at L s U,
where there was a game left in the season and
a report came out from from somewhere that less Miles
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was going to be out of a job, that they
were going to fire him on Monday, and then less
Miles goes and does his Coaches show from some pool
hall in Baton Rouge somewhere, and people are crying and
people are upset about it, and less Miles is responding
to the rumors and all that stuff, and then the
a d for L s who comes out and says, oh,
we love less so we're not getting rid of less
Miles because they got such negative pushback, and then ultimately
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they ended up firing him a year later, four games
into the season. Like teams and organizations do this when
they're not really sure how something's going to sound or
how it's going to be perceived from the public or
the fan base or anybody else. Out there, so they'll
drop hints or they'll use the media to leak something
just to see what kind of pushback they get. And
(15:47):
that's exactly what the Dolphins did here. It made it
made no sense for the Dolphins to drop that, to
just drop it out of nowhere and say, oh, yeah,
well suspension if you violate the anthem policy, and then
a couple of hours later come back can say no,
we haven't decided on an you think. I don't know
where that came from. Yeah, I don't know how you
quantify it. I don't know how Like you sit down here, like, okay,
five's too much. With three is definitely not enough. Let's
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do up to four. That should be good. That's That's
one of the issues that I have with this. And
and you're gonna see tweets and for some reason, and
this may be a bit of a tangent Jonas, someone
is going to tweet kneeling for the national anthem suspension
versus drug suspension versus domestic abuse suspension, and then someone's
gonna get ten thousand retweets because it's like, what in
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the what that is the NFL doing. This all started
when the NFL wanted to set a punishment policy for
the national anthem, and that's where Jonas I thought it
was going away. I mean I really I hoped it was.
It was it was. It was starting to die down.
I think even the players realized that the message was
getting so skewed that there were other ways that maybe
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they needed to make their message. Not that it was
right or wrong that they were kneeling, but it started.
I thought this offseason was going to be about the message,
about the dialogue, about the communication, and what changes that
they could make, because the kneeling obviously brought attention in
positive and negative ways for the National Football League. But
I would say that I don't know if we were
going to go into the season and focus on the
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kneeling anymore. I think that there would have been a
few players that we're going to do it. And once
the NFL said there's going to be punishments for players
who don't abide by our national anthem policy, then the
players are like, wait, what, that's why. Gerald Casey is like, well,
I'm just gonna protest. Remember the Jets ownership at the time,
I had to come out and say we'll cover any
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fine that our players have for this that just to
me was the start of just a bad idea. It
was going to go away by itself. It may not
have clearly been eradicated, but it was not going to
be the issue that dominated the season like it did.
You ever burned the roof of your mouth on a
piece of pizza out of the oven? Yes, Tuesday, still healing,
(18:00):
But I'll guess I will be willing to bet that
the next time you cook pizza in the oven, you're
a little bit more careful, right, because you don't want
to burn your mouth again. Nobody wants that. It feels terrible.
The NFL burned the roof of their mouth when they
started interjecting themselves into punishments and it didn't go too well.
And then they said, well, let's go ahead and take
another bite out of this the anthem policy, and they
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burn the roof of their mouth again. They can't stop.
Every time the NFL has an issue over the past
two or three years, and it turns into a big
hot button topic and people are fed up with the
NFL and the way they handle this stuff. It's always
them trying to interject themselves into stuff that's not between
the lines. Stop every like just look at your history,
(18:44):
look at when you've when you've made mistakes, or when
you've gotten bad press or bad pr when you've tried
to jump into different discussions and and enter into conversations
about punishment or the anthem policy, stay out of it.
I I was hoping it was done with. I was
hoping this didn't happen. Uh. The fact that training camp
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is already upon us and for two teams, and coming
up next week for other teams, or this weekend, whenever
the specific dames are that you want to report, the
fact that this is still a conversation is crazy. And
we have Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk
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Radio app. We think that the NBA's offseason, at least
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free agency and the trades pretty much over. With what
we've been wrong before, Maybe here to correct us and
help us out with what is going on in the
association and where Carmelo Anthony may finally land. Michael Lee,
whose sports covering the NBA, joining us on this Friday.
Hey Michael, how are you? I'm doing great, wonderful? How
are you? We are doing well? Let's start out with Camelo.
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Is that the Rockets or bust where he is going
to head next after being traded yesterday? He appears that way.
I mean, that's where he's been one to play since
last summer. Um. You know, that's where he was first
one you know, wave his no trade clause because he
wanted to team up with Chris Paul. You gotta remember, um,
back in two thousand and ten when you get married. Uh,
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Chris Paul had that famous toast where he's like, you know,
to the Knicks and he he was gonna go play
with Carmelo. They were gonna team up together and former
super team to counter with Miami. Uh, with Wade and
Lebron had done in Miami. So this is something that's
been in the works for a long time. Uh. They've
played together on the Olympics. And you know, you look
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at Carmelo's career the areas where you know, the tip
the times when he's had the most success as women,
he's played with a really quality point guard yet Johnson
Phillips in Denver and they went to the conference finals.
He adjacent Kidd with the Knicks. They want up winning
the division and win in a playoff series. That's the
only post success he's ever had. Chris Paul is is,
you know, right up there in the kid category and
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one of the great greatest point guards of all time.
And he just has the ability to hit the Paul
right where he needs it to get good shots, you know,
and if anybody can make it easier for him, that's
what's gonna help. You Know. You might say, well, why
didn't it work from Oklahoma City? Russell Westbrook's not Chris
Paul when it comes to playmaking. You know, he gets
the assistant, but it's not like he's setting up guys
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to get them really in a rhythm, in a good groove.
That's one of the reasons why guys tend to struggle
when they play with him. But Chris Paul, he makes
it so much easier. And I think that's where he
winds up playing because it just makes the most sense
for him. There's an opening there with Trevor Reads are
gone and Lupamute gone as well, so they happen needed
it small forward. He is a liability defensively. He is
(21:32):
getting older, um and he's not gonna be able to
carry a team. But he's not gonna have to with
James Harden the m v P. They're gonna do most
of the heavy lifting. He is Michael Lee. It covers
the NBA for Y'allhoo Sports with Us here on Fox
Sports Radio, Dan Buyer Jonas knocks him for Doug Gottlieb.
Michael just for me because I feel like Carmelo Anthony
is kind of easy to pick on that A lot
of fans, a lot of people in the media, pilon
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Carmelo Anthony. I mean, first career, he's averaging twenty four
points a game. He's a first ballot Hall of Fame,
as a media member, as somebody who has covered the
NBA for a long time, what does he like to
deal with He's been great, Um, you know throughout his career.
I mean you think about a guy that was in
New York and spoke to him every book, to reporters
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there every day. You know, I was able to communicate
his message and get it across every single day and
shoot around after the game. He never ducked um, even
when the situations got hot, Even when Phil Jackson will
make kind of ridiculous comments about him publicly, he fessed
he was there to face the music. If the team failed,
he fessed up and took responsibility. So, Um, he's been
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great with the media. I think just one of the
reasons why, you know, Um, he doesn't generally get ripped
in the in the press. A lot of fans are
angry with him because they want to see more success
from him. But he's always been cordial, he's always been accommodating,
and he's always been willing to talk and make his case. Um.
So yeah, I don't know many guys in the press
would have a problem with Carmello Anthony because the one
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thing about him too is that he's usually pretty force right.
He's not gonna b issue. Michael Lee joining us here
on Fox Sports Radio. He's Jonas Knox. I'm Dan Buyer
in for Doug Gottlieb today. Of course, Michael senior writer
for y'all Who's Sports. We talked earlier about and we
heard from Massi U Jerry other Toronto Raptors coming out
today talking about the trade that brings them Kawhi Leonard,
Jonas and I both had a tough time figuring out
(23:19):
a way that Messiah Jerry could have handled things differently.
He did apologize to DeMar de Rosen today, did he
have a reason to really apologize to his former star
player if if he definitely made a promise to him
or made it seemed that he was going to be
a part of their long term future. I think he
did all the public of policy, because dMar definitely did
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call him out publicly and say, you know, you say
one thing and then go on to another. Um, he
was called out publicly, So if that was actually the case,
and I think he definitely owed him apology. But with
this there was nothing that he could have done. It
would make the bar feel better because he never wanted
to leave. So it's just the really the nature of business.
If you have an opportunity to get better, to get
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one of the top five players in the game, a
guy who can actually elevate you to a championship, to
that caliber status, then you kind of have to go
for it. You know, UM, you know, you have loyalty,
you have connections, emotional connections, and I think he mentioned
that they've known each other for the last five years,
They've worked together closely. They've elevated Left, lifted the Raptors
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to the highest levels they had gone. But if you
want to go higher. You saw the last postseason the unfortunately,
as great as he's been, the mars just not good
enough to carry you any further than what he has.
Kauai has the potential to go that go that far.
He's the finals MVP. He's a guy that's lit a
team to seven wins into the conference finals multiple times.
So he is a truly elite player, Defensive Player of
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the Year, you know, UM, a guy that players of that
that caliber are available very often, so UM when he
became when the opportunity came up, it it would be
really hard to say, no, we can't make this move
because we really like to Mark that much. UM. You
kind of have to do what you have to do.
And his his obligations to his owners and to the UH,
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to all the people that support the Raptors that want
to win, they want to win a championship. That's who
he's responsible to first and foremost, and anything else in
terms of emotions and loyalty and hurt and and everything else.
You can address that later. But his number one objective
is to try to help Raptors win games. And his
Kauai is there and he's going to be able to
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do that. Then you've got to roll the dice and
see what you can get. Michael leave y'all, who's sports
with us here on Fox Sports Radio, covers the NBA
Damn Buyer, Jonas knocks and for Doug Gottlieb And what's
what's funny about this whole deal is DeMar de Rosen
is not happy about it. Uh, Kawhi Leonard seemingly isn't
happy about it. But can't you argue that both of
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these guys are in better situations now than they were
before the trade? I don't. I mean, I guess in
the sense that Kawai's in the East, he's in a
better situation. But I don't know if there's any situations
much better than the Saxon Spurs. Um if they've they've
already proven that they can win a championship there and
that you can become an elite player there. So um,
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there's still a lot of questions about what can be
done in Toronto with a with a rookie coach and
uh with a lot of young guys who are a
lot of young improving guys outside of Kyle Larry. So yeah,
I think dMar maybe going to a better situation I
think he's going to uh proving Hall of Fame coach
guy who's known to maximize the talents of his guys
and to also, um, you know, any flaws that you have,
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he can hide those, you know he can he can
make sure that your strength are the ones that shine
through you. You've seen it with players like Boars Dial.
You've seen role players become stars. You've seen stars become superstars,
and you've seen the superstars become Hall of famers playing
in that Spur system. So you're gonna be raised to
that next level just about being in that system. Um,
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that's one of the things that I think Damar actually
get to upgrade with Kauaia. There's so many questions because,
for one, we still don't know if he's healthy. We
also don't know where it's heads at in terms of
whether he's going to give his all to you know,
this franchise, or if he just feels like I'm just
going to play out my contract and didn't go to
l A next year. Summer League is wrapped up in
the NBA putting a boat on that Trailblazers when we
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all laugh. Josh hartwins the m v P and We're like, Wow,
he's gonna be something to the Lakers. I mean, is
that is that fair? Is that something to take from
from a summer league? Is it? Is it more about
what we're finding out about individuals? How do you view
summer league? And can we really take like a performance
by Josh Hard and think that it is going to
translate to help the Los Angeles Lakers. Who was m
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VP last year Summer League? Isn't it Alonzo? Yeah? And
what did he do? I'm just saying, like it means nothing,
Just a to opportunity, rap with that a court and
try not to get hurt. You know. It's just a
way to to prove that you're not a scrub. Essentially.
That's how I look at it. Um, if you go
out there and you play well, then that's that's cool.
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If you are like a second or third year player
and you look awful them, I'm starting to worry about
if you're ever gonna become something special in the NBA.
So for a rookie or whatever, Um, if he goes
there and doesn't play well or play as well, I'm
not going to overreact, but I'm more concerned about, like
to say, a second or third year guy that's that's
still out there, and it's like a Dragon Binder or
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somebody who hadn't made shown any progress um a while
he's still playing summer league. So I don't put too
much value in it. It's just for me. It just
basically confirms who's the sprogum? Who is it? Is this
a Lakers thing? And the only reason I bring this
up is because Josh out of the Lakers, you mentioned
a Lonzo Ball and there was a lot of hype
when the Lakers won this summer league last year. And
I also think back to the years of when Jordan
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Clarkson kind of emerged on the scene when the Lakers
were awful, and we're like, hey, Jordan Clarkson could really
be a piece of this Lakers team. So yeah, well
they want twenty games. That's why he's averaging sixteen points
per contest. This is Is this just like a Lakers
thing that we've got going where we want to blow meaningless,
you know, games out of proportion. I don't know. I
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don't know if it is. Don't worry Michael it is.
I'll take people invest I don't think people invest as
much that much into summer League as as as we
some people think, uh you know, like I said, GM,
they don't. They don't put too much value. They just
want to make sure these guys stay in shape and
and and look like they can they can contribute. But
when it comes to the Lakers, everything's gonna be out
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of proportion because of the Lakers is one of the
most story franchises in the history. Uh. You know, when
you add a guy like Lebron to the mix, you know,
that's just like throwing um you know, mentals in the
in the diet coke. You know that thing's gonna blow
up now like people whatever it is. You know, the
Lakers are a big deal. So um it's it's gonna
be blown out of proportion no matter what. Um. So
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that's that, just as that comes from being a relevant franchise,
even if you're bad, if you're relevant, people are gonna
overreact to everything. Michael, I'm not asking you to air
anybody out here, all right, unless you want to, unless
you want to give some names or at least some
initials as to some names. But we know this about
the NFL combine at the NFL Combine in Indianapolis. Basically, yeah,
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you're there to watch players and scout players. But most
of those coaches are sitting in the stands timing a
forty yard dash and they're hungover out of their mind.
Because it's basically where coaches get together. I've heard stories
coaches on on tables and restaurants bombed out of their mind.
It's sort of a social gathering, a place where you
kind of mess around and to and talk shop and
all that. What is Summer League really like for executives?
(30:27):
We know it's important that the guys trying to make
the team, the assistant coaches that are getting a chance
to run a team by themselves for the first time,
But what's it really like for insiders and executives there?
Um well, I mean it's it's Vegas. I mean, so
you know, let's stay there, you know, okay, half there,
so to stay there. But for the most part, it
is an opportunity to to meet to um to network.
(30:50):
Uh you know, you guys that are out of work,
you know, try to give jobs. You know, because everybody's there,
do you have access to the the time spend time to
have a conversation. Um, So you might be a co
that just got fired, you have actually go down there
and try to get a new job. So it's really
it's really about networking. It's about you know, going out
maybe maybe having a couple of drinks somewhere and discussing
UH with an agent, you know, getting a contract done. Um,
(31:13):
you know, going there working out, having having an agent
invite a GM to a workout, and then in Vegas
they'll come there and watch the player, they'll have further
negotiations from there. Um. So it's a lot. It's a
lot that goes on beyond just what happens the summer league. Um.
And I'm sure that you know, some guys like to
get it in and I have a good time play poker,
gamble a little bit. Um. I know that there was
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a stretch where like Rich cho U, former GM of
the UH the Charlotte M. Harnets, he was really big
in the ping pong and there was a huge ping
pong UH tournament that went on that Rich show would
usually dominate because he was a great ping pong player. So, um,
that's not as a scandalous to say, like maybe a
hangover type movie situation, but uh, that's the kind of
(31:56):
stuff that goes on in Vegas. He's Michael Lee covering
the NBA for y'all whose sports. Find him on Twitter
at Mr Michael Lee. We appreciate it, Michael, have a
good summer. Hey, thank you guys for having to appreciate it.
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(32:18):
Are good buddy from Sirius sex m NFL Radio A
long time NFL reporter Alex Marvez joining us. Hey, Alex,
how are you? Dan Jonas doing absolutely fabuous. We've gotta
get the Jonas knocks a blue cheddar, a blue Twitter check.
By the way, we need to get this one done.
You know, I know Dan, you have and I have it.
You know, we just I feel like we'll be an
exclusionary here. I'm not trying to be more like an
(32:39):
elitist or something, but let's let's get Jonas is check.
I like being uh, I like remembering where I came from.
You know, I'm good with the no blue check mark.
I'm good with it being really impostors come out. That's
the problem. You have Jonas. I did have a fake
Twitter account and they sent out better tweets than I did,
so that, yeah, they happened once. That did happen along
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a long time ago. What about the Miami Dolphins apparently
sent to the NFL and and I guess their response today, Alex,
we did read this statement by Stephen Ross saying that
that there is still open dialogue going in there proposed
four game suspension. I guess wasn't a final decision. What
are your thoughts on what happened? And I don't want
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to say to the Miami Dolphins in this because it
seems like a bigger situation. Well, what happened to the
Miami Dolphins in the NFL with all this? Well, I
mean the Miami Dolphins got put in a tough spot, right,
I mean, listen, they're asked. You know, let first off,
this was a leaked document, Okay, so somebody wanted this
message out there about what the Dolphins had put in
their nine page proposal to the players outlining team rules.
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And I do believe Stephen Ross when he says that
this was a placeholder policy, because do you know what
the policy is? Do? I don't know what the policy is.
Nobody knows what the policy is. For example, what if
we all lock arms and sway back and forth like
teams did in the NFL, is that proper anthem protocol?
Are you required to stand with your hand on your
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on your chest, you know when you when you do
the national anthem? What is it that that the NFL
is requiring from its players? Nobody knows. Oh and by
the way, the NFL finally remembering that the NFL Players
Association is actually you know, like the union is somewhat
of an important part of the league, you know, the
players themselves, because they've been acting, you know, arbitrarily on
their own behalf to try to get their own anthem
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policy and not really including the players when it comes
to anthem discussions as to how they're going to handle it.
So now you know, you see what happens. A few
hours later, after the news on the Dolphins comes out
that the NFL and nfl PA have agreed to a
standstill right now of any enforcement of rules. And of course,
the NFL p A had filed a grievance against the
NFL saying it was illegal under the labor pack that
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they had agreed to for them to enforce these types
of rules. It wasn't something that was collectively bargained between
the two sides. So long story short, we're basically back
right where we were two years ago with Colin Kaepernick,
and no, it doesn't seem to be any imminent change
of forthcoming. Serious x M NFL insider Alex Marvez with
us here on Fox Sports Radio. Alex, what are the
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chances we see a trade a deal involving a veteran
player on the move this training camp season? I think
there's a pretty good chance of Earl Thomas, you know,
picking up stakes if the Seahawks lower their price tag
and the Cowboys are unhappy with what they have at safety.
You know, I think there's concerned, you know, how much
you know good football does Earl Thomas have left? Do
you want to be you know, paying down the road
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for a player He's twenty nine years old and he's
played in the NFL I think since two thousand and eleven.
I believe it's a year that he entered the league,
and you know, look, so that the Cowboys don't want
to be stuck paying having to pay a player or
take a cap hit for someone who's in their thirties
who's not productive? So I think there needs to They
need to be convinced that Earl Thomas is that guy.
I think they're going to give all the members of
their secondary a chance to prove that they can be
(35:49):
difference makers. Remember, too, if you pay Earl Thomas with
a big money contract, that's money you're taking away from
potentially resigning to Marcus Lawrence and some other contract issues
that this team has. But Earl Thomas is a guy
to watch. If it's not the Dallas Cowboys, is there
a team out there that believes Earl is the answer
and would Earle be willing to resign with that team
down the road. I think teams don't want to have
to use a franchise tag on Earle or even a
(36:10):
transition tag if they don't have to. He obviously says,
you know, we told the Seahawks on Instagram this week,
extend me or trade me. The Seahawks ain't extending him.
I don't know if they're going to trade him either,
but that is the big name for to me to
watch during the preseason. I know we're playing hypothetical, but
if that scene doesn't play out that we saw at
the end of that game last year between the Seahawks
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and Cowboys, and with Earl Thomas, do the Cowboys have
as much leverage? I mean, it seems like with with
Earl Thomas saying, you know, come and get me, and
him seemingly only want to play for Dallas. Is as
you said, with the long term deal if that doesn't
play out, are are we in this situation? Is Earl
Thomas on another teams Dallas give it a second round pick?
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Can can we even guess that way? Alex? We'll see.
Here's the thing. The Seahawks wanted like a third round
pick for the guy, from what I understand, and nobody
was willing to do that because of all the all
the contract ramifications that come with it, and maybe there's
concerns that are all. You know, does he lose a
step as he gets a little bit older. You know,
there's an injury history whether all when you think about
that time that he missed with that leg injury at
the end of the season. I'm just saying that, no,
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he muddied the waters for sure, because he has made
it very clear he wants to go to the Dallas Cowboys.
But you know, and the Seahawks know this, and in
fact it, to be quite honest with you, maybe Earl
Thomas destroyed his leverage right. Maybe this would have been
done very quietly behind the scenes and not put the
ball in the Cowboys court, and then you could have
that discussion, you know, between John Schneider and Jerry Jones,
or you'd want to make that deal for Earl Thomas.
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I think though, if the if the price drops into
a lower pick, like your sixth round pick, fifth round
pick maybe or something. Even if it was something where
if Earl Thomas hit certain incentives and then you know,
it goes from a six round pick to a fifth
round pick something like that, Yeah, I think that there
could potentially be a deal struck. But again, the Cowboys,
if this was a team that had better salary cap
management through the years, it's one thing to bring on
(37:58):
Earl Thomas. Guess what Cowboys haven't had that? Alex Marvez
serious x m NFL Insider with us here on Fox
Sports Radio, Dan Buyer, Jonas Knox in for Doug Gottlieb.
What happens next with Julio Jones. Julio shows up in plays,
I believe, and you know there's still there's that outside possibility.
Do you throw Julio Jones and incentive clause and not
(38:19):
likely to be earned incentive clause? Now here's Jonas. This
is hard to believe, considering Julio Jones caught more than
fourteen hundred yards worth of football's last year. The guys
scored three touchdowns three touchdowns in Steve sarkisian first year
as offensive coordinator. So let's say you put in and
not likely to be earned incentive that you could do
that he would be that he would score more than
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three touchdowns, and that's how you would categorize it. And
then as Julio starts to score, he's able to collect
some extra bonus money. But the problem with the Falcon's
faith here is that if you do this for Julio Jones,
you have said a precedent for other star players who
may be unhappy with their deal. I do believe that
they would consider reapproaching Julio at the age of thirty,
see where he is at, and try to give him
(39:00):
a new contract. I'll know what the Stillers did with
Antonio Brown. They would they would they were willing to
go back and and and re up him and give
him some extra cash if he added a year onto
his contract. You know the thing with Julio though, also
you you gotta wonder a guy that's had as many
leg injuries as him, how much good football does he
have left? I mean, you know, because you don't want
to be throwing good money after bad If you understand
what I'm saying, They've already given him a huge amount
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of money. It's not like this is the guy who's
never cashed in like a Levy on Bell. I get it,
and that he wasn't a first round pick. He was
a second round pick. He's trying to make up cash.
But but in the case of Julio Jones, not only
did he get first round money, the guy signed a
mega deal with the Atlanta Falcons just three years ago. Yeah,
I guess what the market has changed. There are better
players out there, not better, but there are guys who
are making more money than you right now, specifically Brandon
(39:43):
Cooks and Sammy Watkins. At sixteen million dollars a year.
Odell Beckham Jr. Is gonna raise that bar as well.
But guess what, maybe you should have known that when
you agreed to this long term contract extension that you
wanted another bite at the apple two years later and
told the Falcons, no, I'm only going to play under
a two year contract. Then you would have had a
chance to hit free agency or under the franchise hag
and make more money than what you're making right now.
Alex Andrew Luck is not heading to the Populist surprised
(40:05):
at all? Or is this a part of the plan
that we always hear with the Indianapolis Calds. Is this
business as usual as he tries to come back. You know,
one thing, I think you're going to see that that
that you wouldn't if he were you know, if it
weren't for all the shoulder damage that he had suffered,
I think you would see him probably throwing in camp
every day. I mean, he's not like you're trying to
save his arm like Peyton Manning or something that you know,
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you're going to give him a veterans day off. He's
going to start getting some of those veterans day off,
you know, during training camp. So you know, but that again,
as long as the guy shows up, plays on Sunday
and he's in sync with his wide receivers, you know,
he doesn't have to throw a zillion, you know, times
during practice to still be Andrew luck. But it's positive.
But you know, you look at the depth on this team,
You look at questions at the wide receiver position outside
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of t Y Hilton and Ryan Grant, you know, there's
really not very much there very little depth, you know,
you look. I mean, I think the offensive line will
be better, in fact, they made such a huge investment
in it. But how good do you feel about Marlon
Mack being your leader running back? Especially with Robert and
even when Robert Turbin returns from a four game suspension,
how good you're feeling with Robert Turbot as your lead
running back? And listen on the defensive side of the football,
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Razor Thin at some spots, especially the linebacking corps looks
pretty shaky. So there's still a ways to go for
the Coals to become legitimate contenders once again. But I
do believe the franchise is headed in the right direction
and has moved beyond the Josh McDaniels debacle. Getting Andrew
look back on the field has gone a long way
toward doing that as well. Alex, you surprised that Brandon
Cooks was signed to an extension before Aaron Donald in
(41:29):
l A Well, yes and no. I mean I think
that in the case of Cooks, this was a different
type of deal because it doesn't affect two thousand and eighteen.
You know, it basically added five years on his on
to the you know, after the final year of his
rookie contract, so he's going to play out his fifth
year and then he starts getting those big pay days
coming up in two thousand and nineteen, you know. And listen,
(41:51):
I think the ramp for me one. Shame on you
with Sammy Watkins, right, they make that trade thinking that
they're gonna get you know, Sammy Watkins signed to a
long term contracts extension, and but I don't know if
they really truly gauge the market in the right way.
Did they know that the Kansas City Chiefs are gonna
be willing to pay Sammy sixteen million dollars a year plus?
They decided that LaMarcus Joiner was a cheaper option in
terms of the safety position. You could for the franchise
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tag on him, and then they would be active in
the trade market trying to get a top flight wide receiver.
They did just that. When it came to Brandon Cook,
so great deal there. Another big question is will Aaron
Donald get his deal done and it's going to hit
that twenty million dollar mark. I really think we're playing
a game of chicken here between Khalil Max agents and
Aaron Donald's agents. Who's going to be the one that
signs that twenty million dollar a year first? You know
(42:34):
what I mean that type of deal first, because everyone's
looking to become the first twenty million dollar a year
defensive player. Then once one guy signs, the other guy
can sign maybe for a dollar more. When it comes
to the game of chicken, I've been on rend McCormick.
That's a foot loose reference for everyone out there, Alex Alex,
what's the training camp tour? When does it start? Where
are you going? How long does it last? What have
(42:55):
you got on tapp? Three straight weeks that will be
on the road for serious X of NFL Radio beginned
Dallas Cowboys camp next Friday. Gil Brand and I will
be out there and we're looking forward to seeing the
Fox Sports radio crew in fact heading out to beautiful
ox Nord to check out the Cowboys and broadcasting. After that.
We got that, we got the Arizona Cardinals. We have
the Los Angeles or the San Diego Chargers. Take that back,
(43:17):
nickol in the Square Jar. We have the Los Angeles Charger.
We have the Los Angeles Rams. I've got four days
in camat the Pro Football Hall of Fame. We got
the Carolina Panthers, we got the Atlanta Falcons, the Denver Broncos,
the Jacksonville Jaguars, the Kansas City Chiefs, and we wrapped
things up with the Detroit Lions on August fift So
on the go from head to toe with Gil Brandon. Listen,
he's only eighty five years old. He's much faster than
(43:39):
I am. Still to this very day, happy to be
with the godfather of Series X of NFL Radio. Gonna
have some great shows and hopefully, though in between those shows,
I'll be making more appearances on Fox Sports. I am
stunned right now that Alex Marvez is not going to
be making an appearance in NAPA this season. Yeah, that
one's a little bit sticky and it just didn't work
out for the for the schedule that we had. Very
(44:00):
a pointing. I know that some of the locals, some
of the listen, it's an economic impact on those folks.
You realize how much money they lose and not selling
wine when I'm out there restaurant, when I'm not out there.
I mean, this is this is a big financial blow
for these folks. In fact, I think some folks would
petition the Raiders just to get going eye out there,
just because of the type of impact we would make
(44:20):
on that local economy. And NAPA so disappointing. Not gonna
be there, you know what, They'll They'll be in Vegas
soon enough. I think I'll find ways to get out
there and see him at that point. Other enough, I
think writer fans are gonna need a lot of wine
this season. And John, I'm with you on that. I'm
not buying this team. In fact, on Tuesday Night, maybe
just maybe on a serious sex m show, they will
be the annual They would be the winner of my
annual paper, Michee Lombardi Troup. Yes, given to the team
(44:44):
that that wins the offseason. Of course it dissipates when
it gets wet and then becomes goes back to just
paste a newspaper, but nonetheless we give out this trophy
every year. I think the Raiders may be the one
that wins it. We'll see on Tuesday night. Alex Marvez,
Sirius sex m NFL RADYO fin him on Twitter at
al to my ves. Appreciate it, Alex. Safe travels because
thanks so much. Begain
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