July 23, 2018 • 41 mins
Doug tells you why Tiger Woods is in the 3rd stage of his comeback to professional golf. He also lays out a plan for the Lakers and how they can beat the Warriors. Plus he talks to CBS Sports NFL Insider Jason La Canfora about the recent Josh Gordon news and if the Ravens are having a QB competition.
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the we got subtraction. By addition in the NBA, we
have a weird story in the NFL with Josh Gordon.
I want to get to and um we have the
the Lebron Mural which everybody is making these bombastic statements
about graffiti being graffitied. Just my head wants to explode.
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We'll get to that upcoming in the show. Plus, Brian
Scalabrina join us, my man Ryan Burt from the Golf Channel,
Ryan Leaf will join us, and Jason Lack Camphora in
oh fifteen minutes or so, we'll try and figure out
what's what in regards to this Josh Cordon situation. I
want to start with what dominated most of your mind yesterday,
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the sports world yesterday, and leaves us with a little
bit of an empty feeling. Eldrick tiger Woods. Now, look,
if you thought he was going to be back back, Um, okay,
I think that's unrealistic for anybody to be where he
was a decade ago. But for forty two years old,
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having a couple of back surgeries, having Achilles tenant surgery,
having a knee surgery, being a divorcee, having been declared
legally dead by many in the Gulf community, Tiger Woods
is well as close to being back as he may
ever be. Well, maybe not as close, but he's one
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step away. Um, there are stages two things this we
know right. There's was as a twelve step program. And
that's when you're an alcoholic or an addict. You gotta
admit that you're powerless over the drug. You've got to
come to believe in the power greater than yourself could
restore that the sanity. There's twelve step twelve step programs.
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There's also different stages of grief. There's seven stages of grief, shock, denial, anger, bargaining, depression,
in testing, and acceptance. Once you get to acceptance, you
understand you can you can finally move past it. Seven
stages of grief. By our estimation, there are four stages
of the Tiger Woods come back, and he is in
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stage three. Stage one is a return to playing. Stage
two was being healthy for an entire four days. Stage
three is top ten contention at a major, and stage
four is winning, winning, And it is hard to move
from stage three to stage four. And as much as
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as much as we want to sit there and tell
you that, uh, that other guys are over him, because
Francisco Monnori end up winning the Open championship, the fact
is that Tiger being a top the leaderboard changes everything
everything in the sport. It makes it more watchable and
all those dudes that called out Tiger Woods previously and
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said they're not scared of him, many of them seem
to be scared of him at the time. Here's Tiger
when the whole golf world and Twitter world and sports
world shook, shook because he took the lead at nine.
Tiger rolls his forward and in in. There's a great
certainty about him today. He'll remember the days in the
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past when he almost willed puts into the whole. Well,
that seems to be what he's doing today. Race how
he stays after his front nine seven and the boy's
picked up two shots today and he's at the top
of the lead aboard along the chaff from a I
mean incredible. And then of course the flop out of
the out of the bunker at ten, here was when
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it came apart. At eleven, Potter goes back the balls
on his way. Has it jumped a little bit? And
it did? I feel that pot jumped a little bit unforced.
The Tiger Woods will make a double bogie on eleven
and he'll move back to five under part of the championship.
So Eger Woods ends up finish sixth. And you can
sit here and tell me all you want, uh that
he'll never be back. Of course, he's not going to
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be what he was at thirty. No man at forty
two is going to be what they were at thirty,
especially when you've had this many surgeries. He's never going
to be as dominant as he was in his prime.
But for Tiger Woods, who less than a year ago
wasn't walking, let alone swinging a golf club, I think
we need to have some perspective. In fact, Tiger himself
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seemed to have some perspective that so many of us lack.
That's what's crazy about it. We're reacting. We're holding Tiger too,
uh to this kind of ridiculously crazy notion that he's
supposed to win multiple majors every year because that's what
he asked us to hold him to back in his prime.
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Judge me by my majors. But that's not where he
is now in his career. It's just not. In fact
he said it himself. It's gonna sting for a little
bit here, But from where I was to where I am,
I'm blessed. Tiger Woods has something that you can only
have if you've seen the bottom, and that's perspective. It's perspective.
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You don't want to believe it. You don't want to
think it's true. You don't want to think that the
new Tiger is the real Tiger. You want to think
he's hopping from Perkins to Perkins looking for a waitress
to stoop. But the fact is that here's a dude
that's seen the bottom. Here's a dude that thought it
was over because people told him it was over. And
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to take the lead on the ninth hole in a
major on a Sunday is as close to being back
as he has been to this point. And it's stage
three and four. Stages have come back. Stage one, just
hit a golf ball, just in a golf ball. Stage two,
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make it through a weekend, Stage three, getting to legit
contention at a major, Stage four, complete the task. It's
interesting that we have this thing we do in society.
We love the rise, we cheer for the fall, and
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we're infatuated with a comeback. That's what this guy is doing.
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He's Jason lock Camp four. He joins us here on
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the Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. Let's start
with the Josh Gordon story, as he's gonna go seek
treatment for his mental health. Mental healthcare part of his
treatment plan, he says, um and the Browns are saying,
the NFL is saying, Others just saying he didn't fail
a test. But it does seem like timing. Tell me
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what you hear is going on in Baltimore, I mean
in Cleveland. Sorry, yeah, I mean it's it's an unusual situation,
to say the least. But he's someone who at this
point is going to know himself better than ever and
better than anyone else. And he's obviously been dealing with
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various stages of recovery and rehab for a long time.
And he and from what I've gathered, those close to
him who are advising him and and those who are
trying to keep him on the straight and narrow, feel
as if right now, maybe going to an NFL training
camp isn't the best thing, uh possible for him. And
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and remember because of the way the NFL's I would
say somewhat draconian policies work. He has been doing the
bulk of his recovery away from his teammates. He's been
barred from that facility, you know, for you add it
all up, probably literally for years if you go out
go through the totality of his suspensions and whatnot. So, um,
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maybe there's something about that setting that that he or
others feel like wouldn't be best for him right now. UM.
I don't know a lot of this. I'm sure is
privilege between he and the medical professionals he's working with.
But again, the Browns and I've reached out, they seem
okay with this. They seem to think this is probably
the best thing for him short and long term. Um.
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I don't know of any timetable that exists. It is
certainly odd, and at various times I've been surprised that
the Browns haven't just said, you know what, we've we've
kind of gone down this road far enough and we're
ready to move on. But from what I hear, they're not. Um.
But but I think anybody trying to wager, guess or
handicap what the future looks like for Josh Gordon. Um,
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I don't know how you would do it, because nothing
really to this point has been the normal or anything
close to a normal NFL NFL A path. So I
don't know, Doug. I i'd be lying if I said
I know exactly what this means. But he's not he's
not in jeopardy of being cut. He's not on the
precipice or or you know, from what I'm told, in
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jeopardy of being suspended. But apparently at least right now
needs more time continuing to do what he's doing away
from the facility. Yeah, it strikes me. It's not only
in that I would have thought. And again I don't
know enough about about his addiction and about how he's
being treated, and about his anxiety. I am sensitive to that.
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But I would have thought that being around a team
would have been a good thing, right like to you
that I just I would have thought being around training
camp and having other things in your life, you know,
to participate in, to motivate you, I would have thought
that was a really good thing. Even if he knows
himself and he feels the urges coming on, I almost
felt like that would have been a better path than
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removing yourself from the facility. Yeah, it's difficult to say.
I don't know if something about a locker room right
now he feels would trigger the worst in him. You know, now,
I'm really going down the road of pretending to be
you know, armchair Zekie Freud. But the fact that the
you know, at least for now, the Browns are supporting him,
I'm gonna take, as you know, I'm gonna take every
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sort of everybody at their word, and we'll see, you know,
now three weeks from now, who knows, you know what
I mean, things may have changed with him, with them,
with the overall situation. Um at a certain point, he's
missed so much time playing football. If you're truly going
to be able to count on him and and start
banking on him and making him a part of which
you hope will be, you know, arguably the much most
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needed rebound season in the history professional sports, given what
the last two years have been like for them, then
you know, you're you're you may have to reach a
cut bait point or what have you. But yeah, I
I I don't know. Could it could be something about
that locker room, you know, setting or that group of
individuals that maybe isn't great for him right now. It
obviously league is gonna lead, and it's so open ended,
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right and there's so few details here that people will
will probably speculating and pontificate in a bunch of different
ways about this. I'm not gonna pretend that I know
enough about it to really do it. You know, as
of now, it's not a problem for the league, it's
not a problem for the Browns. And I would just say,
you know, we'll see how long that's the case. Would
they would they add somebody like a Dez Bryant to
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fill his roster spot. I don't think there would be
an an immediate need. I mean, the reality is, as
much as you know he was around there in the
spring and he did some stuff, you know, and and
and seemed to be on the right path. I don't
think anyone could truly right in in pen here's our four,
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you know, barring injury. Here here's where our best projections
for our fifty three and our game day forty five,
and have him entrenched as you know, wide receiver one.
I I think John Dorsey has been around the block
long enough to know um even though he just got there.
It's well chronicled, what you know, what Josh Gordon's career
has been. I don't think that that he and Hugh
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Jackson are sitting down there and planning out their season saying, Okay,
this we're definitely gonna get sixteen weeks and Josh Gordon
and he's gonna be at an elite level. There's too
much unpredictability there and too many variables with him in particular,
So I don't think it's like we gotta go out
and get another veteran receiver right now. And the reality
is this is still very much going to be a
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rebuilding season for the Cleveland Browns, and especially someone like
Dez with with such little upside, I don't know how
much he would really make sense for them. I think
if anything else, it's just it's it's more time for
the Corey Coleman's of the world. Some of these guys
are gonna have to develop to see the ball. That's
the voice of Jason Lockham for from CBS Sports. He
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joins us here on The Doug Gotlip Show on Fox
Sports Radio. Some interesting quotes out of Baltimore over the
last week or so. Joe Flacco was commented. It was
quoted as saying, you know, he didn't think there would
be any sort of quarterback countries quarterback tuck because he
thought they would win and talk from his offensive quarter.
You're saying, look, man, he really is moving around. Well. Um,
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sometimes when when people put out statements to try and
take us away from something we think might happen, it
it almost makes me feel the opposite. What do you
think Bruin in Baltimore, that's an organization you know a
ton about. I was there all day Thursday, all day Friday,
and Friday was when Joe talked to the med s.
I was there for the entirety of that press briefing
and if you saw the whole thing. And he's been
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asked a ton of Lamar Jackson questions since the moment
of trade happened, and I think overwhelmingly he's handled it
with grace and a plump. But you know, he had
been asked three or you know, two or three questions
and then someone you know, I won't say totally ingest,
but you know it was kind of like, hey, man,
when are you gonna get sick of answering questions about
Lamar Jackson, and that's when he's like, you know, hey,
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I don't I don't think we're gonna reach that point
because I think I'm gonna play really well. We're gonna
win a lot of games, and essentially it's gonna be
a move point. And and just where the room was
right there, and how he said it, it wasn't tongue
in cheek. I mean he meant it, but there was
no malice or ill will in it. And um, he
is in better shape than I've seen him in years,
and he is fully healthy for the first time in years,
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and he's his football mortality at least in Baltimore staring
him straight in the face. And he need only look
over to Kansas City a year ago and call up
Alex Smith, who's right down the road in Washington now,
to see that no matter what he does this year,
he may be elsewhere. So I think he he's kind
of turning over a bit of a of a new leaf.
And not that things have ever really got to him.
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He's always been Joe cool, but I think there's almost
a certain um, a certain new air about him where
you know, he's accomplished a lot and he understands the
end might be near here no matter what, and he's
gonna go about things his way and and try to
leave a positive impression one way or the other. I
think he'll play very well. I also think Lamar Jackson's
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gonna be on the field as soon as Week one,
because there he is such an overingly freakish athlete that
if you can't find a few plays for him every
week to help you win a football game, then you're
not really trying. And they are already trying, and there
are they are installing a lot of r p O
s that yeah, Joe can run them too, but by Galli,
the backup can probably run them better. Yeah. I My
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thing is like, look, I talked to a lot of
NFL people and they're like, he is a freak athlete.
You should get him on the field, But he's not
a quarterback. He's not close to being a quarterback yet
in the NFL. Like, there's a reason that that that
though they love they love, they love him and love
what he could be. Like, isn't he better off being
a slash for a while while he while he refines
the other parts of his game? Well, I think in
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these packages where he's on the field. Sometimes he'll be
on the field with Joe Flacco, and there's certainly parts
in their scheme where he won't and he will just
be the best quarterback on their roster to win this
particular down and distance against this particular defense, with this
particular score on the board. UM. I don't think anybody's
going to be rushing to develop him. They're not gonna
be throwing um throwing him into the deep end or
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anything like that. But I do think they will be
meeting him in the middle and and finding out what
he does best and making that a part of their offense.
Because look at Flack. I mean, we can sit here
and talk about all this till we're blue in the face.
Joe Flacco wasn't supposed to play his rookie year, right,
He had three other quarterbacks on the roster, and they
were still feeling alt cole Bowler, you know, and then
he got hurt, and then Troy Smith had like an
appendectomy or whatever, and Joe Flacco started a week one.
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You know, Carson Wentz was never supposed to play. He
was gonna sit, and they had Sam Bradford, who were
paying eighteen million dollars to win him some games. So
things are gonna have a way of shaking out, and
he may have to play sooner, or he may not
start a game at all this year, But he's being
groomed to be their next quarterback, and I suspect the
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starting part of it happens in earnest by next year,
because as well, however well Flacco plays, I have a
hard time thinking he's gonna count, you know, another twenty
six million against the cap next year. Um, all right,
let's the a couple of kind of little house cleaning
issues as we get ready for camp. Uh, David Johnson
to the contract hold out, But I mean did he
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really hold out? This is just mean he skipped a
mini camp. I mean that's you know, I don't even
know if he can really dumb it all. I mean
it's to hold out in so much as he missed
three days of UM mandatory stop. So there's some fines
there and he's been Look, he's been hurt the last
two years. I love David Johnson. Anybody who plays fantasy
football understands what an incredible freak, all around athlete he
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all around running back is. But I mean it's hard
to give a guy new money. When you haven't seen
him playing so long. Yeah, I mean, you gotta look
at what this injury was though, you know what I mean,
it's not It wasn't a a knee, it wasn't a neck.
You know, everybody broke his arm, right, I mean, it
was risk or whatever that's you. You know, it sucks
in the timing of it sucks, But it's not like
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you have to worry about his explosiveness and quick twitch
or anything like that. It didn't involve muscles ligaments. But
I hear you. The problem for David Johnson was, you know,
I get it. It It was a calculated gamble that they made, saying, well,
let's just not let's not open ourselves up to any risk.
And we're gonna find out on July fifteenth whether Levian
Bell gets his sixteen seventeen million a year, and if
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he does, then we're gonna negotiate off of that and
we'll have a little bit of a well i'll say
a bully pulp it, but we may come into camp
with a little bit of leverage. Now, obviously, leon Bell
got offered you know, sixteen million over two and fifteen
million a year over three, but he didn't sign it,
so it's hard to negotiate off an offer that you
know what I mean, No one's actually seen an in
writing and you know, are all those numbers correct and
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it and to your point, he's coming in hurt. So
then it's a matter of well, do we do something
like just for ten million now and and sell low
on ourselves, or do we show up ball out? We
know Bell is gonna get paid next year, they can't
franchise and three times and you know bank on by
next March, the running back market has drastically shifted and
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somebody gave Levian Bell, you know, seventeen a year, including
north of thirty five million guaranteed. Yeah, I guess, I guess.
One of the things that's interesting is Levian Bell, who's
a tremendo us all around back, but he's trying to
sell the world on his overall versatility and that's why
he should be paid at a level commensurate with, you know,
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higher than and running back. My point is twofold one.
I think they're arguing the merits of the franchise tag
being position position based, and that's something that needs to
be discussed with the union, not with teams. But this
idea that he's the only all around back. We mentioned
David Johnson when he's healthy, he catched out of the backfield.
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Todd Gurley, he had I think it was sixty four
catches last year. Like look, they they all the really
good ones can catch it out of the backfield, can
run it out of the backfield, and can block. Otherwise
they wouldn't be every down running backs. And he's getting
top five of that money. He's trying to say that
he's more than just running back, but the truth is
that's what the best running backs do. Yeah, and and look,
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all he has to do is eventually get one team
to buy that argument. And we've got a new precedent,
whether the rest of the league likes it or not.
I mean, we just through this with Kirk Cousins and
the guaranteed money. Do I think thirty two teams cap
jumps again next year because it's going to and people
have more money than they spend that somebody gives him
the numbers I just talked about that. Somebody gives him
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thirty five million over the first two years, fifty two
over three, and they guarantee thirty eight million of it.
It only takes one team to do it, So I
think it's possible. And then once it happens, the Girlies
and the Johnson's fall in line. And I'm with you
that that's the big three. I don't know how many
other guys are are you know, anywhere close to jumping
into that stratosphere. It just takes one person to buy
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your argument um, and I hear the merits of it also, though,
if you go and break down some of Levian bell numbers,
their win loss record with him and without them would
be surprising to a lot of people. So would their
overall gross offensive yards per play with him and without him.
But he clearly is is special and and look he
almost got it with Pittsburgh and he wasn't able to
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negotiate with anybody else. Man, I'm telling you, you know,
forty five million over the first three years. Now, not
as much of it guaranteed as you would like, but
still that's not chump change. And that was there at
a time when they were the only team he could try.
So that's Jason. It's a great point you make up.
And like Julio Jones, they never bring this up, like
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guys get frontloaded contracts and the the per year salary
is low at the back end of it, and then
they get upset and they make the argument and look
at a little unpaid and could be like, look, dude,
you got overpaid in the first couple of years and
we didn't cut you on the back end of that deal,
like the the idea that I do. Look, I I
respect that NFL players put themselves out there, understand their
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their careers are not as long as as others. But
but some of the it's outright lies that they tell
in terms of, hey, we don't get any guaranteed money. Yes,
you do, it's just not as much as you'd like,
and using the what we're making this year and completely
forgetting being overpaid in the early stage of the contract.
To me, it's so disingenuous that it's hard. Were some
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fans that pay attention to really get behind the argument, well,
and I think that's where you you have to delineate
the difference between and Aaron Donald and Odell Beckham, who
I was putting to the left side of the ledger,
and you brought up Julio to the right. Julio made
a calculated decision a few years back that you know
what these guys could make me play through a fifth
year option, and then I gotta worry about franchise tag
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two straight years and they could squat on me. And
that's gonna be a long time before I truly get
to hit the open market. So let me get some
big time money in my pocket. Now. Let me take
that second bite at the apple right now and give
them a few years of my free agency at a
rate that I might I might not love four years
from now, but let me get some Let me get
that bite at the apple now. Odell Beckham has never
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been able to negotiate a contract in his life. Aaron
Donald has never been able to negotiate A guy come
in on the rookie wags. You know, it is what
it is. You're slotted and they haven't had a chance
to get paid. And I think people have to be
cognizant of that when they start comparing all these different situations.
Because Julio Jones already made a business decision, these guys
haven't had an opportunity to make one yet, you know,
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they've just been functions of the system. At this point.
It's a It's an incredible, incredible point that you make
Jason look forward to UH camps getting underway, lots of
interesting discussion. Thanks much for joining us and we'll catch
up soon. Is my pleasure, pleasures absolutely mine, Jason lack
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I Heart Radio app. I love Steph Curry's game. It's
not perfect, but who doesn't love Steph Curry? Does anyone
consider Steph Curry in the same realm as Lebron James.
I must be missing that part of it right now.
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If you want to say Steph Curry has three rings
and he has two m vps, that's accurate. It would
also be accurate to say he wasn't even the best
player in the NBA when he won the m v PS,
even the even when he was unanimous m v P,
he was unanimously the most valuable, but that doesn't mean
best player. And when they won the last two championships,
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he wasn't the best player on his own team. So
I sit there and I go hold on, now, wait
a second, now, take a breath, now, shack the idea
that Lebron is sitting there going how many does Steph
Curry have? I love stuff. Gonna go down as one
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of the if not the greatest shooter shooter in the
history of the NBA. On the other hand, and this
is really really important, no one's ever put him in
the conversation of Michael Jordan's all time greats, and in
in all honesty, even though he probably should be, He's
not even in the Kobe Bryant conversation of all time greats,
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the Larry Bird, the Magic Johnson. I can't tell you why.
I guess I could tell you why. It's obvious. It's
not just deep ends. It's it's maybe a lack of
respect for the three point shot. We all understand it's
worth the point more, but should it be where at
the point? More So? I look at this and I say,
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I don't really understand what Shacks doing other than putting
him into a conversation to which he may have thought
he's in. And it does feel like shocks going like,
look it was about me, and Kobe is about me
and and Tim Duncan. Those are guys that I competed
with one position wise and two on my own team
for championships. That would be fair. But I don't think
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Lebron looks up in Oakland and says Stephen Curry. Yeah, look,
there's a chance Lebron does think of I could go
out and try and win a fourth one, or I
could try and win a fourth, a fifth and a
sixth one. What's the best way to beat the Warriors? Well,
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so far, the Houston Rockets probably came came the closest
last year with great length, defense, intensity, athleticism, And of
course they attacked whoever filled in for Andre Goodala, and
they attacked Steph Curry. But it's at the defensive end.
It's with physicality, with athleticism. And I'm sure that Lebron
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James sat there and said, yes, could I find a
way to put together more parts and get there again?
Here's what Jack's missing. Could Lebron have stayed and tried
to make it work in Cleveland? He could have. He
could have, But the East is not was not theirs
to be had anymore. Anyone could see the writing on
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the wall saying the Boston Celtics were going to be better.
So when you combine Boston being better Philadelphia coming on strong,
and Cleveland having to completely work, work, rework things in
cap Hell and the place he wanted. The idea of
staying staying sounded good in the short term, but the
long term play is just write it out, write it out.
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Eventually greed will take over. It always does. Eventually an
injury will happen. It almost always does. It almost derailed
the Warriors this year. They lost Andrew Goodala, the fifth
best of the Hampton five, and they nearly lost because
of it, even though they were far superior talent wise
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to Cleveland Cavaliers. When they didn't have Andrew Goodal. In
Game one, we all know what happened. Imagine if Steph
goes down, or k D goes down, or Draymond goes down,
or Clay Thompson goes down. Secondly, and maybe most importantly,
three of those guys are up next season. We don't
know how they'll react to Boogie Custins. Everybody thinks it's
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addition by addition, but they could be subtraction by addition.
Clay Thompson's up. His dad's been a Laker broadcasting former
Laker for most of his life. Southern California's home, and
he'd get to play opposite Lebron James, who's a willing
passer to one of the great shooters, if not the
best catching shoot shooter in the history of the game.
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Jimmy Butler's up, and of course Kawhi Leonard is up,
as is half of the NBA seemingly next year, like
Kevin Durant, like DeMarcus Cousins, like Draymond Green, like Clay Thompson.
What's the best way to beat the Golden State Warriors
To not do it this year, to build for the
following year and the year after that and the year
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after that. That's what Magic said. That's a reasonable timeline.
That seems to be reasonable considering where they are with
their own contracts and with young players need a year
to figure out if they have it to play with
Lebron James. And so with so many people talking about
Land Stevenson a backup, Michael Beasley a backup, Gen Rondo
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a backup, they're missing what Lebron's plan is, which is
ultimately to take down the Warriors, but not a full frontal,
not to run down the hill. You know, the the
old adage or the old story, there's two bulls, young
bull and old bull on top of the hill. There's
a bunch of cows down the pasture. Do we run
down or do we walk down? Lebron's walking down? Long
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term play versus short term play. Be sure to catch
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the I Heart Radio app. A man Ryan burrowerks for
the Golf Channel. He came on this show last year
and said, Tiger will win market down. I think came
of my CBS show two years ago, Tiger win, mark
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it down and look, I have never sold my Tiger
with stock, but but I I thought it was a
penny stock for a while. Now it feels better, although
he still has not closed Ryan burg Golf Channel joinings
Doug Gotlip Show Fox Sports Radio. Did you after nine
he ties for the lead seven under or maybe after
ten after that incredible bunker shot, do you think he
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had it? Well, he took the lead there, Doug, and
it was a one shot lead and and more than
anything else, the guys that he had to catch were
crumbling speech and shotly shot forty on the front and
speech was a disaster. So I knew it was a
I knew it was a two man race. I knew
it was Woods and molin Ur right now. McElroy made
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a bit of a run, but no one ultimately. Hey listen,
Uh yeah, I thought I thought Tiger was gonna be
in it to the end. He doubled the next hole
and then bogied after that. He hit two bad shots
in the entire day. There was no Tiger magic. But
I've never been more sure that Woods wins again than
I am now. Uh, he is the best player in
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the world. I mean that he's the best player in
the world right now. He's hitting it better than everyone else.
In golf, as we all know, is the toughest sport,
and then need to win because in every other sport
you have to face an individual team. Uh you know,
the Pittsburgh Pirates are two games over five hundred. If
they had to play the Yankees every game, they'd be
what twenty games under five hundred. So in golf, you've
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got to beat everybody, and there's always somebody that's hot.
Every week, there's somebody that's hot. So the best player
rarely wins just a couple of times a years. How
that sport works out the Tiger right now has complete
control of his game. He's all the way back. And
I do agree with you that there is a last hurdle,
and that last hurdle is closing. And when that happens again,
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while it will never return to the Tiger mania of old,
he will tick off one to three in a six
seven month span, of course, all based on him staying healthy. Alright,
let's let's let's circle back to Tiger in a second.
Let's start with Speed. Who you you would have felt
like at some point and maybe even you go back
to the Masters like you would have felt And I
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know that you and I discussed before the Masters how
he'd struggled with his putting then but then you you
watch him and I mean, what what the heck is
going on with him on a Sunday? I'll tell you what,
And I know you know you could revise history for
a lot of people. But let's just put it this way.
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Jordan's Speed one his first major the Masters, and he
didn't in record fashion. He then went to the US Open,
where Dustin Johnson three putted from twelve feet at Chambers
Bay after Speed had choked like a dog at seventeen
with a double bogeye. Uh. If if Dustin Johnson makes
a four foot or or lags the putt, better speed
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doesn't win the US Open. We all know what he
did at the Masters the next year. It was an
all time gag job where he put a couple in
the water with a six shot. He hit the Masters
and lost. Uh. I'm concerned with Jordan's speed, real concerned.
He's a great player, he'll figure it out. He's twenty
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five years old, but where he's at right now, what
once was the best putter on the planet is no
longer in the top one fifty. It is a mental
deal with him. It's a problem, a real problem. Every
single week he's missing puts that your son would make, Doug,
I'm not exaggerating their two three footers that he's missing
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every single week. I'm I'm concerned for Jordan's speed in
the immediate future, not long term. You'll be a great champion,
but in the rest of this season until we figure
something out with him, which I'm not sure anyone knows
what's going on, and that would include him. Uh, this
is problematic. Yeah, he was muttering to himself earlier. Knew
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it was gonna be a long day. What about Rory?
He did make that kind of he made that late charge,
but Micael Roy should have won by twelve to fifteen shot.
I was there. I just got off the plane, literally
just got off the plane, went through immigration. But I
will tell you when you're there and you see everything.
Macil Roy is so much better than everyone else. Him
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the tea to the green, it's scary. Should have won
by twelve shots. Seriously, he hit it that much further
and better than everyone else. It's just his short game
is I mean, it's really bad right now, and the
fact that he can be in the mix as poor
as it is is a testament to just how awesome
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the other part of his game is when he has
good weeks with his short game. That's why has won
multiple majors by eight shots or more. He just blows
everyone away because he's the best hitter of the golf ball.
It's just the the little stuff that kind of gets
in the way. But uh, he's fun to watch. It's
he's mind boggling. You shake your head so much because
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you just can't believe how good he is at times
and how bad he is at times. But that's the
roller coaster, the drawing. Yeah, I guess what about what
about Ricky? We're all we're waiting for the Ricky after.
You know, he had the Player's Championship a couple of
years ago where he was incredible. Uh, he is remarkably
popular and he just he carries a fun air about him. Um.
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He took personally on Twitter. I think, wasn't it? Yeah,
one of the golf writers writing about another disappointing outing
why why can't why can't he figure out a major? Well? One,
they're really tough to win. There's only four a year,
and you've got to beat everybody, and like I said,
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there's always someone some week that's hot. Um. Two, he
he's putting a lot of every single major that ticks by.
And that that Twitter comeback that you're referencing gives you
an idea of just how on edge he is about
the whole major thing. That it's starting to get to him, right.
I mean, that's that's pretty obvious when you're when you're
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you know, you're Ricky Fowler and you're responding to a
kind and then you're beating me while I'm down. I
mean it, that was a I was surprised to see that.
I really was, because he is so cool and fresh
and he does come across that it doesn't bother him,
but clearly it does. Ah, he's getting older and older.
All of his friends have a major. Now everyone that
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he hangs out with has a major, and he's older
than all of them. So kill kill get one. I mean,
like I said, everyone has a week when they're When
when you're that good, you're one of the best players
in the world, eventually you get one of the Sergio
eventually got one, film, Nicholson eventually got one, and then
he picked off five. Ricky will get one. It's just
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right now, it's in an he's in a I think
the p G A will be the best chance for him,
which is the the two weeks from now in St.
Louis not that p g A. But I think that
kind of set up sets up best for him. Uh.
You know, he finished second at the Masters. He was
one shot back of Patrick Read. That's kind of what
I mean. You know, you gotta beat everyone in golf.
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It's different than everything else. Tennis obviously the team sports,
but you have to beat everybody and that's really tough
to do. His name is Ryan Berry Works for the
Golf Channel. He has kind of have to spend some
time with this year on the Doug Gottlieb Show. All Right,
so now we now we had to eventually to St.
Louis and the p g A. It's more kind of
traditional tree lined golf course. Is that the course that
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sets up well for Tiger Woods? No, this the open
set up really good for Tiger Woods because he didn't
have to hit driver. Uh, it'll be interesting to see
his game plan, Doug. And and that's gonna be a
lot dependent on weather and what we what we get
when we get there. Uh. If you if you have
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to hit driver a lot, then it's probably not gonna
be Tiger's week because that's that's the worst club in
his bag. And that would obviously open up the door
for the Rory's and the brooks Keptives and the Ricky Fowlers,
the world guys that really are good at driving, driving
the ball. That's not Tiger strength is that he's the
best player in the world because he does if you
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add everything together, I think hitting it the best right now,
but the driver is still a little bit shaky. Um.
With that said, I wouldn't be surprised if Tiger wanted.
He's up to fifty in the world now, so he's
on the rise. He's gonna get to play bridge Stone,
which is a tune up. It's a w GC event
that he's won seven times. It's the last time it's
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played there, so that might be where the wind comes,
to be honest with you. Um uh. The the other
thing with the rankings and the possibility of winning at
bridge Stone, does he play in the Ryder Cup team?
Block done already on the team? Ryan Burg breaking news.
I know that's not breaking news, but it's it's you're
saying it's it seems like a formality. Oh no, it's not.
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Doesn't seem like a formality. It is a formality barring injury.
Tiger Woods and Phil Mickelson are two captains picks of
Jim Furk, and they're both on the Ryder Cup team.
And some people are gonna have a problem with it
because Tiger is going to be jump over a bunch
of guys. But let me just put it through this way. Uh, Doug,
you're the captain of the Ryder Cup team and it
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comes down to Sunday and everything's tied, and in your
last match you can send out oh, I don't know, uh,
Zander Schoffley to play Rory McElroy. Or you can send
out Kevin Kissner to play Sergio Garcia, or you can
throw out Tiger Woods. Who who who would you put
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in that spot? Honestly, no, Actually, I think the Phil
thing actually surprised me more because last time Phil had
such a problem with uh, you know, with the captain
that and and was and was so vocal about it.
I think that one would be the one that would
actually surprise me a little bit more. Well, that all changed.
That was in Scotland four years ago, and that is
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when Michelson actually he and Tiger, who obviously weren't very close,
didn't have really any relationship. It's kind of interesting after
that debacle in Scotland. Now, yeah, four years ago, those
two came together and they started this Ryder Cup task force.
And then at Hazel Team in Minnesota two years ago,
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that really was Phil's team because of everything that had
happened two years earlier, and Tiger was a vice captain
because he was coming off of the back surgery and
those two were riding in cards together and you know,
best friends, and the US went on to win in
in great fashion in Minnesota. And that's why this is
Phil and Tiger's team, and that you know, Jim Peerick's
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the captain, but Phil Mickelson and Tiger Woods have a
lot of influence and they'll both be on the team.
I promise you they'll both be on the team. All Right.
That's Ryan Burr. Ryan, thanks so much for joining us. Dude,
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the we got subtraction. By addition in the NBA, we
have a weird story in the NFL with Josh Gordon.
I want to get to and um we have the
the Lebron Mural which everybody is making these bombastic statements
about graffiti being graffitied. Just my head wants to explode.
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We'll get to that upcoming in the show. Plus, Brian
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Ryan Leaf will join us, and Jason Lack Camphora in
oh fifteen minutes or so, we'll try and figure out
what's what in regards to this Josh Cordon situation. I
want to start with what dominated most of your mind yesterday,
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the sports world yesterday, and leaves us with a little
bit of an empty feeling. Eldrick tiger Woods. Now, look,
if you thought he was going to be back back, Um, okay,
I think that's unrealistic for anybody to be where he
was a decade ago. But for forty two years old,
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having a couple of back surgeries, having Achilles tenant surgery,
having a knee surgery, being a divorcee, having been declared
legally dead by many in the Gulf community, Tiger Woods
is well as close to being back as he may
ever be. Well, maybe not as close, but he's one
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step away. Um, there are stages two things this we
know right. There's was as a twelve step program. And
that's when you're an alcoholic or an addict. You gotta
admit that you're powerless over the drug. You've got to
come to believe in the power greater than yourself could
restore that the sanity. There's twelve step twelve step programs.
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There's also different stages of grief. There's seven stages of grief, shock, denial, anger, bargaining, depression,
in testing, and acceptance. Once you get to acceptance, you
understand you can you can finally move past it. Seven
stages of grief. By our estimation, there are four stages
of the Tiger Woods come back, and he is in
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stage three. Stage one is a return to playing. Stage
two was being healthy for an entire four days. Stage
three is top ten contention at a major, and stage
four is winning, winning, And it is hard to move
from stage three to stage four. And as much as
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as much as we want to sit there and tell
you that, uh, that other guys are over him, because
Francisco Monnori end up winning the Open championship, the fact
is that Tiger being a top the leaderboard changes everything
everything in the sport. It makes it more watchable and
all those dudes that called out Tiger Woods previously and
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said they're not scared of him, many of them seem
to be scared of him at the time. Here's Tiger
when the whole golf world and Twitter world and sports
world shook, shook because he took the lead at nine.
Tiger rolls his forward and in in. There's a great
certainty about him today. He'll remember the days in the
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past when he almost willed puts into the whole. Well,
that seems to be what he's doing today. Race how
he stays after his front nine seven and the boy's
picked up two shots today and he's at the top
of the lead aboard along the chaff from a I
mean incredible. And then of course the flop out of
the out of the bunker at ten, here was when
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it came apart. At eleven, Potter goes back the balls
on his way. Has it jumped a little bit? And
it did? I feel that pot jumped a little bit unforced.
The Tiger Woods will make a double bogie on eleven
and he'll move back to five under part of the championship.
So Eger Woods ends up finish sixth. And you can
sit here and tell me all you want, uh that
he'll never be back. Of course, he's not going to
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be what he was at thirty. No man at forty
two is going to be what they were at thirty,
especially when you've had this many surgeries. He's never going
to be as dominant as he was in his prime.
But for Tiger Woods, who less than a year ago
wasn't walking, let alone swinging a golf club, I think
we need to have some perspective. In fact, Tiger himself
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seemed to have some perspective that so many of us lack.
That's what's crazy about it. We're reacting. We're holding Tiger too,
uh to this kind of ridiculously crazy notion that he's
supposed to win multiple majors every year because that's what
he asked us to hold him to back in his prime.
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Judge me by my majors. But that's not where he
is now in his career. It's just not. In fact
he said it himself. It's gonna sting for a little
bit here, But from where I was to where I am,
I'm blessed. Tiger Woods has something that you can only
have if you've seen the bottom, and that's perspective. It's perspective.
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You don't want to believe it. You don't want to
think it's true. You don't want to think that the
new Tiger is the real Tiger. You want to think
he's hopping from Perkins to Perkins looking for a waitress
to stoop. But the fact is that here's a dude
that's seen the bottom. Here's a dude that thought it
was over because people told him it was over. And
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to take the lead on the ninth hole in a
major on a Sunday is as close to being back
as he has been to this point. And it's stage
three and four. Stages have come back. Stage one, just
hit a golf ball, just in a golf ball. Stage two,
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make it through a weekend, Stage three, getting to legit
contention at a major, Stage four, complete the task. It's
interesting that we have this thing we do in society.
We love the rise, we cheer for the fall, and
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we're infatuated with a comeback. That's what this guy is doing.
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the Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. Let's start
with the Josh Gordon story, as he's gonna go seek
treatment for his mental health. Mental healthcare part of his
treatment plan, he says, um and the Browns are saying,
the NFL is saying, Others just saying he didn't fail
a test. But it does seem like timing. Tell me
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what you hear is going on in Baltimore, I mean
in Cleveland. Sorry, yeah, I mean it's it's an unusual situation,
to say the least. But he's someone who at this
point is going to know himself better than ever and
better than anyone else. And he's obviously been dealing with
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various stages of recovery and rehab for a long time.
And he and from what I've gathered, those close to
him who are advising him and and those who are
trying to keep him on the straight and narrow, feel
as if right now, maybe going to an NFL training
camp isn't the best thing, uh possible for him. And
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and remember because of the way the NFL's I would
say somewhat draconian policies work. He has been doing the
bulk of his recovery away from his teammates. He's been
barred from that facility, you know, for you add it
all up, probably literally for years if you go out
go through the totality of his suspensions and whatnot. So, um,
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maybe there's something about that setting that that he or
others feel like wouldn't be best for him right now. UM.
I don't know a lot of this. I'm sure is
privilege between he and the medical professionals he's working with.
But again, the Browns and I've reached out, they seem
okay with this. They seem to think this is probably
the best thing for him short and long term. Um.
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I don't know of any timetable that exists. It is
certainly odd, and at various times I've been surprised that
the Browns haven't just said, you know what, we've we've
kind of gone down this road far enough and we're
ready to move on. But from what I hear, they're not. Um.
But but I think anybody trying to wager, guess or
handicap what the future looks like for Josh Gordon. Um,
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I don't know how you would do it, because nothing
really to this point has been the normal or anything
close to a normal NFL NFL A path. So I
don't know, Doug. I i'd be lying if I said
I know exactly what this means. But he's not he's
not in jeopardy of being cut. He's not on the
precipice or or you know, from what I'm told, in
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jeopardy of being suspended. But apparently at least right now
needs more time continuing to do what he's doing away
from the facility. Yeah, it strikes me. It's not only
in that I would have thought. And again I don't
know enough about about his addiction and about how he's
being treated, and about his anxiety. I am sensitive to that.
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But I would have thought that being around a team
would have been a good thing, right like to you
that I just I would have thought being around training
camp and having other things in your life, you know,
to participate in, to motivate you, I would have thought
that was a really good thing. Even if he knows
himself and he feels the urges coming on, I almost
felt like that would have been a better path than
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removing yourself from the facility. Yeah, it's difficult to say.
I don't know if something about a locker room right
now he feels would trigger the worst in him. You know, now,
I'm really going down the road of pretending to be
you know, armchair Zekie Freud. But the fact that the
you know, at least for now, the Browns are supporting him,
I'm gonna take, as you know, I'm gonna take every
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sort of everybody at their word, and we'll see, you know,
now three weeks from now, who knows, you know what
I mean, things may have changed with him, with them,
with the overall situation. Um at a certain point, he's
missed so much time playing football. If you're truly going
to be able to count on him and and start
banking on him and making him a part of which
you hope will be, you know, arguably the much most
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needed rebound season in the history professional sports, given what
the last two years have been like for them, then
you know, you're you're you may have to reach a
cut bait point or what have you. But yeah, I
I I don't know. Could it could be something about
that locker room, you know, setting or that group of
individuals that maybe isn't great for him right now. It
obviously league is gonna lead, and it's so open ended,
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right and there's so few details here that people will
will probably speculating and pontificate in a bunch of different
ways about this. I'm not gonna pretend that I know
enough about it to really do it. You know, as
of now, it's not a problem for the league, it's
not a problem for the Browns. And I would just say,
you know, we'll see how long that's the case. Would
they would they add somebody like a Dez Bryant to
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fill his roster spot. I don't think there would be
an an immediate need. I mean, the reality is, as
much as you know he was around there in the
spring and he did some stuff, you know, and and
and seemed to be on the right path. I don't
think anyone could truly right in in pen here's our four,
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you know, barring injury. Here here's where our best projections
for our fifty three and our game day forty five,
and have him entrenched as you know, wide receiver one.
I I think John Dorsey has been around the block
long enough to know um even though he just got there.
It's well chronicled, what you know, what Josh Gordon's career
has been. I don't think that that he and Hugh
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Jackson are sitting down there and planning out their season saying, Okay,
this we're definitely gonna get sixteen weeks and Josh Gordon
and he's gonna be at an elite level. There's too
much unpredictability there and too many variables with him in particular,
So I don't think it's like we gotta go out
and get another veteran receiver right now. And the reality
is this is still very much going to be a
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rebuilding season for the Cleveland Browns, and especially someone like
Dez with with such little upside, I don't know how
much he would really make sense for them. I think
if anything else, it's just it's it's more time for
the Corey Coleman's of the world. Some of these guys
are gonna have to develop to see the ball. That's
the voice of Jason Lockham for from CBS Sports. He
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joins us here on The Doug Gotlip Show on Fox
Sports Radio. Some interesting quotes out of Baltimore over the
last week or so. Joe Flacco was commented. It was
quoted as saying, you know, he didn't think there would
be any sort of quarterback countries quarterback tuck because he
thought they would win and talk from his offensive quarter.
You're saying, look, man, he really is moving around. Well. Um,
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sometimes when when people put out statements to try and
take us away from something we think might happen, it
it almost makes me feel the opposite. What do you
think Bruin in Baltimore, that's an organization you know a
ton about. I was there all day Thursday, all day Friday,
and Friday was when Joe talked to the med s.
I was there for the entirety of that press briefing
and if you saw the whole thing. And he's been
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asked a ton of Lamar Jackson questions since the moment
of trade happened, and I think overwhelmingly he's handled it
with grace and a plump. But you know, he had
been asked three or you know, two or three questions
and then someone you know, I won't say totally ingest,
but you know it was kind of like, hey, man,
when are you gonna get sick of answering questions about
Lamar Jackson, and that's when he's like, you know, hey,
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I don't I don't think we're gonna reach that point
because I think I'm gonna play really well. We're gonna
win a lot of games, and essentially it's gonna be
a move point. And and just where the room was
right there, and how he said it, it wasn't tongue
in cheek. I mean he meant it, but there was
no malice or ill will in it. And um, he
is in better shape than I've seen him in years,
and he is fully healthy for the first time in years,
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and he's his football mortality at least in Baltimore staring
him straight in the face. And he need only look
over to Kansas City a year ago and call up
Alex Smith, who's right down the road in Washington now,
to see that no matter what he does this year,
he may be elsewhere. So I think he he's kind
of turning over a bit of a of a new leaf.
And not that things have ever really got to him.
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He's always been Joe cool, but I think there's almost
a certain um, a certain new air about him where
you know, he's accomplished a lot and he understands the
end might be near here no matter what, and he's
gonna go about things his way and and try to
leave a positive impression one way or the other. I
think he'll play very well. I also think Lamar Jackson's
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gonna be on the field as soon as Week one,
because there he is such an overingly freakish athlete that
if you can't find a few plays for him every
week to help you win a football game, then you're
not really trying. And they are already trying, and there
are they are installing a lot of r p O
s that yeah, Joe can run them too, but by Galli,
the backup can probably run them better. Yeah. I My
(16:16):
thing is like, look, I talked to a lot of
NFL people and they're like, he is a freak athlete.
You should get him on the field, But he's not
a quarterback. He's not close to being a quarterback yet
in the NFL. Like, there's a reason that that that
though they love they love, they love him and love
what he could be. Like, isn't he better off being
a slash for a while while he while he refines
the other parts of his game? Well, I think in
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these packages where he's on the field. Sometimes he'll be
on the field with Joe Flacco, and there's certainly parts
in their scheme where he won't and he will just
be the best quarterback on their roster to win this
particular down and distance against this particular defense, with this
particular score on the board. UM. I don't think anybody's
going to be rushing to develop him. They're not gonna
be throwing um throwing him into the deep end or
(16:59):
anything like that. But I do think they will be
meeting him in the middle and and finding out what
he does best and making that a part of their offense.
Because look at Flack. I mean, we can sit here
and talk about all this till we're blue in the face.
Joe Flacco wasn't supposed to play his rookie year, right,
He had three other quarterbacks on the roster, and they
were still feeling alt cole Bowler, you know, and then
he got hurt, and then Troy Smith had like an
appendectomy or whatever, and Joe Flacco started a week one.
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You know, Carson Wentz was never supposed to play. He
was gonna sit, and they had Sam Bradford, who were
paying eighteen million dollars to win him some games. So
things are gonna have a way of shaking out, and
he may have to play sooner, or he may not
start a game at all this year, But he's being
groomed to be their next quarterback, and I suspect the
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starting part of it happens in earnest by next year,
because as well, however well Flacco plays, I have a
hard time thinking he's gonna count, you know, another twenty
six million against the cap next year. Um, all right,
let's the a couple of kind of little house cleaning
issues as we get ready for camp. Uh, David Johnson
to the contract hold out, But I mean did he
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really hold out? This is just mean he skipped a
mini camp. I mean that's you know, I don't even
know if he can really dumb it all. I mean
it's to hold out in so much as he missed
three days of UM mandatory stop. So there's some fines
there and he's been Look, he's been hurt the last
two years. I love David Johnson. Anybody who plays fantasy
football understands what an incredible freak, all around athlete he
(18:22):
all around running back is. But I mean it's hard
to give a guy new money. When you haven't seen
him playing so long. Yeah, I mean, you gotta look
at what this injury was though, you know what I mean,
it's not It wasn't a a knee, it wasn't a neck.
You know, everybody broke his arm, right, I mean, it
was risk or whatever that's you. You know, it sucks
in the timing of it sucks, But it's not like
(18:44):
you have to worry about his explosiveness and quick twitch
or anything like that. It didn't involve muscles ligaments. But
I hear you. The problem for David Johnson was, you know,
I get it. It It was a calculated gamble that they made, saying, well,
let's just not let's not open ourselves up to any risk.
And we're gonna find out on July fifteenth whether Levian
Bell gets his sixteen seventeen million a year, and if
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he does, then we're gonna negotiate off of that and
we'll have a little bit of a well i'll say
a bully pulp it, but we may come into camp
with a little bit of leverage. Now, obviously, leon Bell
got offered you know, sixteen million over two and fifteen
million a year over three, but he didn't sign it,
so it's hard to negotiate off an offer that you
know what I mean, No one's actually seen an in
writing and you know, are all those numbers correct and
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it and to your point, he's coming in hurt. So
then it's a matter of well, do we do something
like just for ten million now and and sell low
on ourselves, or do we show up ball out? We
know Bell is gonna get paid next year, they can't
franchise and three times and you know bank on by
next March, the running back market has drastically shifted and
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somebody gave Levian Bell, you know, seventeen a year, including
north of thirty five million guaranteed. Yeah, I guess, I guess.
One of the things that's interesting is Levian Bell, who's
a tremendo us all around back, but he's trying to
sell the world on his overall versatility and that's why
he should be paid at a level commensurate with, you know,
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higher than and running back. My point is twofold one.
I think they're arguing the merits of the franchise tag
being position position based, and that's something that needs to
be discussed with the union, not with teams. But this
idea that he's the only all around back. We mentioned
David Johnson when he's healthy, he catched out of the backfield.
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Todd Gurley, he had I think it was sixty four
catches last year. Like look, they they all the really
good ones can catch it out of the backfield, can
run it out of the backfield, and can block. Otherwise
they wouldn't be every down running backs. And he's getting
top five of that money. He's trying to say that
he's more than just running back, but the truth is
that's what the best running backs do. Yeah, and and look,
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all he has to do is eventually get one team
to buy that argument. And we've got a new precedent,
whether the rest of the league likes it or not.
I mean, we just through this with Kirk Cousins and
the guaranteed money. Do I think thirty two teams cap
jumps again next year because it's going to and people
have more money than they spend that somebody gives him
the numbers I just talked about that. Somebody gives him
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thirty five million over the first two years, fifty two
over three, and they guarantee thirty eight million of it.
It only takes one team to do it, So I
think it's possible. And then once it happens, the Girlies
and the Johnson's fall in line. And I'm with you
that that's the big three. I don't know how many
other guys are are you know, anywhere close to jumping
into that stratosphere. It just takes one person to buy
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your argument um, and I hear the merits of it also, though,
if you go and break down some of Levian bell numbers,
their win loss record with him and without them would
be surprising to a lot of people. So would their
overall gross offensive yards per play with him and without him.
But he clearly is is special and and look he
almost got it with Pittsburgh and he wasn't able to
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negotiate with anybody else. Man, I'm telling you, you know,
forty five million over the first three years. Now, not
as much of it guaranteed as you would like, but
still that's not chump change. And that was there at
a time when they were the only team he could try.
So that's Jason. It's a great point you make up.
And like Julio Jones, they never bring this up, like
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guys get frontloaded contracts and the the per year salary
is low at the back end of it, and then
they get upset and they make the argument and look
at a little unpaid and could be like, look, dude,
you got overpaid in the first couple of years and
we didn't cut you on the back end of that deal,
like the the idea that I do. Look, I I
respect that NFL players put themselves out there, understand their
(22:39):
their careers are not as long as as others. But
but some of the it's outright lies that they tell
in terms of, hey, we don't get any guaranteed money. Yes,
you do, it's just not as much as you'd like,
and using the what we're making this year and completely
forgetting being overpaid in the early stage of the contract.
To me, it's so disingenuous that it's hard. Were some
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fans that pay attention to really get behind the argument, well,
and I think that's where you you have to delineate
the difference between and Aaron Donald and Odell Beckham, who
I was putting to the left side of the ledger,
and you brought up Julio to the right. Julio made
a calculated decision a few years back that you know
what these guys could make me play through a fifth
year option, and then I gotta worry about franchise tag
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two straight years and they could squat on me. And
that's gonna be a long time before I truly get
to hit the open market. So let me get some
big time money in my pocket. Now. Let me take
that second bite at the apple right now and give
them a few years of my free agency at a
rate that I might I might not love four years
from now, but let me get some Let me get
that bite at the apple now. Odell Beckham has never
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been able to negotiate a contract in his life. Aaron
Donald has never been able to negotiate A guy come
in on the rookie wags. You know, it is what
it is. You're slotted and they haven't had a chance
to get paid. And I think people have to be
cognizant of that when they start comparing all these different situations.
Because Julio Jones already made a business decision, these guys
haven't had an opportunity to make one yet, you know,
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they've just been functions of the system. At this point.
It's a It's an incredible, incredible point that you make
Jason look forward to UH camps getting underway, lots of
interesting discussion. Thanks much for joining us and we'll catch
up soon. Is my pleasure, pleasures absolutely mine, Jason lack
camp Ford joining us on the Doug Gottlib Show here
on Fox Sports Radio. Fox Sports Radio has the best
(24:25):
sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our
shows at Fox sports radio dot com and within the
I Heart Radio app. I love Steph Curry's game. It's
not perfect, but who doesn't love Steph Curry? Does anyone
consider Steph Curry in the same realm as Lebron James.
I must be missing that part of it right now.
(24:47):
If you want to say Steph Curry has three rings
and he has two m vps, that's accurate. It would
also be accurate to say he wasn't even the best
player in the NBA when he won the m v PS,
even the even when he was unanimous m v P,
he was unanimously the most valuable, but that doesn't mean
best player. And when they won the last two championships,
(25:08):
he wasn't the best player on his own team. So
I sit there and I go hold on, now, wait
a second, now, take a breath, now, shack the idea
that Lebron is sitting there going how many does Steph
Curry have? I love stuff. Gonna go down as one
(25:30):
of the if not the greatest shooter shooter in the
history of the NBA. On the other hand, and this
is really really important, no one's ever put him in
the conversation of Michael Jordan's all time greats, and in
in all honesty, even though he probably should be, He's
not even in the Kobe Bryant conversation of all time greats,
(25:52):
the Larry Bird, the Magic Johnson. I can't tell you why.
I guess I could tell you why. It's obvious. It's
not just deep ends. It's it's maybe a lack of
respect for the three point shot. We all understand it's
worth the point more, but should it be where at
the point? More So? I look at this and I say,
(26:14):
I don't really understand what Shacks doing other than putting
him into a conversation to which he may have thought
he's in. And it does feel like shocks going like,
look it was about me, and Kobe is about me
and and Tim Duncan. Those are guys that I competed
with one position wise and two on my own team
for championships. That would be fair. But I don't think
(26:36):
Lebron looks up in Oakland and says Stephen Curry. Yeah, look,
there's a chance Lebron does think of I could go
out and try and win a fourth one, or I
could try and win a fourth, a fifth and a
sixth one. What's the best way to beat the Warriors? Well,
(26:57):
so far, the Houston Rockets probably came came the closest
last year with great length, defense, intensity, athleticism, And of
course they attacked whoever filled in for Andre Goodala, and
they attacked Steph Curry. But it's at the defensive end.
It's with physicality, with athleticism. And I'm sure that Lebron
(27:20):
James sat there and said, yes, could I find a
way to put together more parts and get there again?
Here's what Jack's missing. Could Lebron have stayed and tried
to make it work in Cleveland? He could have. He
could have, But the East is not was not theirs
to be had anymore. Anyone could see the writing on
(27:42):
the wall saying the Boston Celtics were going to be better.
So when you combine Boston being better Philadelphia coming on strong,
and Cleveland having to completely work, work, rework things in
cap Hell and the place he wanted. The idea of
staying staying sounded good in the short term, but the
long term play is just write it out, write it out.
(28:09):
Eventually greed will take over. It always does. Eventually an
injury will happen. It almost always does. It almost derailed
the Warriors this year. They lost Andrew Goodala, the fifth
best of the Hampton five, and they nearly lost because
of it, even though they were far superior talent wise
(28:29):
to Cleveland Cavaliers. When they didn't have Andrew Goodal. In
Game one, we all know what happened. Imagine if Steph
goes down, or k D goes down, or Draymond goes down,
or Clay Thompson goes down. Secondly, and maybe most importantly,
three of those guys are up next season. We don't
know how they'll react to Boogie Custins. Everybody thinks it's
(28:50):
addition by addition, but they could be subtraction by addition.
Clay Thompson's up. His dad's been a Laker broadcasting former
Laker for most of his life. Southern California's home, and
he'd get to play opposite Lebron James, who's a willing
passer to one of the great shooters, if not the
best catching shoot shooter in the history of the game.
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Jimmy Butler's up, and of course Kawhi Leonard is up,
as is half of the NBA seemingly next year, like
Kevin Durant, like DeMarcus Cousins, like Draymond Green, like Clay Thompson.
What's the best way to beat the Golden State Warriors
To not do it this year, to build for the
following year and the year after that and the year
(29:33):
after that. That's what Magic said. That's a reasonable timeline.
That seems to be reasonable considering where they are with
their own contracts and with young players need a year
to figure out if they have it to play with
Lebron James. And so with so many people talking about
Land Stevenson a backup, Michael Beasley a backup, Gen Rondo
(29:53):
a backup, they're missing what Lebron's plan is, which is
ultimately to take down the Warriors, but not a full frontal,
not to run down the hill. You know, the the
old adage or the old story, there's two bulls, young
bull and old bull on top of the hill. There's
a bunch of cows down the pasture. Do we run
down or do we walk down? Lebron's walking down? Long
(30:16):
term play versus short term play. Be sure to catch
live editions of the Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at
three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and
the I Heart Radio app. A man Ryan burrowerks for
the Golf Channel. He came on this show last year
and said, Tiger will win market down. I think came
of my CBS show two years ago, Tiger win, mark
(30:37):
it down and look, I have never sold my Tiger
with stock, but but I I thought it was a
penny stock for a while. Now it feels better, although
he still has not closed Ryan burg Golf Channel joinings
Doug Gotlip Show Fox Sports Radio. Did you after nine
he ties for the lead seven under or maybe after
ten after that incredible bunker shot, do you think he
(30:58):
had it? Well, he took the lead there, Doug, and
it was a one shot lead and and more than
anything else, the guys that he had to catch were
crumbling speech and shotly shot forty on the front and
speech was a disaster. So I knew it was a
I knew it was a two man race. I knew
it was Woods and molin Ur right now. McElroy made
(31:23):
a bit of a run, but no one ultimately. Hey listen,
Uh yeah, I thought I thought Tiger was gonna be
in it to the end. He doubled the next hole
and then bogied after that. He hit two bad shots
in the entire day. There was no Tiger magic. But
I've never been more sure that Woods wins again than
I am now. Uh, he is the best player in
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the world. I mean that he's the best player in
the world right now. He's hitting it better than everyone else.
In golf, as we all know, is the toughest sport,
and then need to win because in every other sport
you have to face an individual team. Uh you know,
the Pittsburgh Pirates are two games over five hundred. If
they had to play the Yankees every game, they'd be
what twenty games under five hundred. So in golf, you've
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got to beat everybody, and there's always somebody that's hot.
Every week, there's somebody that's hot. So the best player
rarely wins just a couple of times a years. How
that sport works out the Tiger right now has complete
control of his game. He's all the way back. And
I do agree with you that there is a last hurdle,
and that last hurdle is closing. And when that happens again,
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while it will never return to the Tiger mania of old,
he will tick off one to three in a six
seven month span, of course, all based on him staying healthy. Alright,
let's let's let's circle back to Tiger in a second.
Let's start with Speed. Who you you would have felt
like at some point and maybe even you go back
to the Masters like you would have felt And I
(32:49):
know that you and I discussed before the Masters how
he'd struggled with his putting then but then you you
watch him and I mean, what what the heck is
going on with him on a Sunday? I'll tell you what,
And I know you know you could revise history for
a lot of people. But let's just put it this way.
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Jordan's Speed one his first major the Masters, and he
didn't in record fashion. He then went to the US Open,
where Dustin Johnson three putted from twelve feet at Chambers
Bay after Speed had choked like a dog at seventeen
with a double bogeye. Uh. If if Dustin Johnson makes
a four foot or or lags the putt, better speed
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doesn't win the US Open. We all know what he
did at the Masters the next year. It was an
all time gag job where he put a couple in
the water with a six shot. He hit the Masters
and lost. Uh. I'm concerned with Jordan's speed, real concerned.
He's a great player, he'll figure it out. He's twenty
(33:54):
five years old, but where he's at right now, what
once was the best putter on the planet is no
longer in the top one fifty. It is a mental
deal with him. It's a problem, a real problem. Every
single week he's missing puts that your son would make, Doug,
I'm not exaggerating their two three footers that he's missing
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every single week. I'm I'm concerned for Jordan's speed in
the immediate future, not long term. You'll be a great champion,
but in the rest of this season until we figure
something out with him, which I'm not sure anyone knows
what's going on, and that would include him. Uh, this
is problematic. Yeah, he was muttering to himself earlier. Knew
(34:38):
it was gonna be a long day. What about Rory?
He did make that kind of he made that late charge,
but Micael Roy should have won by twelve to fifteen shot.
I was there. I just got off the plane, literally
just got off the plane, went through immigration. But I
will tell you when you're there and you see everything.
Macil Roy is so much better than everyone else. Him
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the tea to the green, it's scary. Should have won
by twelve shots. Seriously, he hit it that much further
and better than everyone else. It's just his short game
is I mean, it's really bad right now, and the
fact that he can be in the mix as poor
as it is is a testament to just how awesome
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the other part of his game is when he has
good weeks with his short game. That's why has won
multiple majors by eight shots or more. He just blows
everyone away because he's the best hitter of the golf ball.
It's just the the little stuff that kind of gets
in the way. But uh, he's fun to watch. It's
he's mind boggling. You shake your head so much because
(35:44):
you just can't believe how good he is at times
and how bad he is at times. But that's the
roller coaster, the drawing. Yeah, I guess what about what
about Ricky? We're all we're waiting for the Ricky after.
You know, he had the Player's Championship a couple of
years ago where he was incredible. Uh, he is remarkably
popular and he just he carries a fun air about him. Um.
(36:07):
He took personally on Twitter. I think, wasn't it? Yeah,
one of the golf writers writing about another disappointing outing
why why can't why can't he figure out a major? Well? One,
they're really tough to win. There's only four a year,
and you've got to beat everybody, and like I said,
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there's always someone some week that's hot. Um. Two, he
he's putting a lot of every single major that ticks by.
And that that Twitter comeback that you're referencing gives you
an idea of just how on edge he is about
the whole major thing. That it's starting to get to him, right.
I mean, that's that's pretty obvious when you're when you're
(36:50):
you know, you're Ricky Fowler and you're responding to a
kind and then you're beating me while I'm down. I
mean it, that was a I was surprised to see that.
I really was, because he is so cool and fresh
and he does come across that it doesn't bother him,
but clearly it does. Ah, he's getting older and older.
All of his friends have a major. Now everyone that
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he hangs out with has a major, and he's older
than all of them. So kill kill get one. I mean,
like I said, everyone has a week when they're When
when you're that good, you're one of the best players
in the world, eventually you get one of the Sergio
eventually got one, film, Nicholson eventually got one, and then
he picked off five. Ricky will get one. It's just
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right now, it's in an he's in a I think
the p G A will be the best chance for him,
which is the the two weeks from now in St.
Louis not that p g A. But I think that
kind of set up sets up best for him. Uh.
You know, he finished second at the Masters. He was
one shot back of Patrick Read. That's kind of what
I mean. You know, you gotta beat everyone in golf.
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It's different than everything else. Tennis obviously the team sports,
but you have to beat everybody and that's really tough
to do. His name is Ryan Berry Works for the
Golf Channel. He has kind of have to spend some
time with this year on the Doug Gottlieb Show. All Right,
so now we now we had to eventually to St.
Louis and the p g A. It's more kind of
traditional tree lined golf course. Is that the course that
(38:16):
sets up well for Tiger Woods? No, this the open
set up really good for Tiger Woods because he didn't
have to hit driver. Uh, it'll be interesting to see
his game plan, Doug. And and that's gonna be a
lot dependent on weather and what we what we get
when we get there. Uh. If you if you have
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to hit driver a lot, then it's probably not gonna
be Tiger's week because that's that's the worst club in
his bag. And that would obviously open up the door
for the Rory's and the brooks Keptives and the Ricky Fowlers,
the world guys that really are good at driving, driving
the ball. That's not Tiger strength is that he's the
best player in the world because he does if you
(38:58):
add everything together, I think hitting it the best right now,
but the driver is still a little bit shaky. Um.
With that said, I wouldn't be surprised if Tiger wanted.
He's up to fifty in the world now, so he's
on the rise. He's gonna get to play bridge Stone,
which is a tune up. It's a w GC event
that he's won seven times. It's the last time it's
(39:18):
played there, so that might be where the wind comes,
to be honest with you. Um uh. The the other
thing with the rankings and the possibility of winning at
bridge Stone, does he play in the Ryder Cup team?
Block done already on the team? Ryan Burg breaking news.
I know that's not breaking news, but it's it's you're
saying it's it seems like a formality. Oh no, it's not.
(39:41):
Doesn't seem like a formality. It is a formality barring injury.
Tiger Woods and Phil Mickelson are two captains picks of
Jim Furk, and they're both on the Ryder Cup team.
And some people are gonna have a problem with it
because Tiger is going to be jump over a bunch
of guys. But let me just put it through this way. Uh, Doug,
you're the captain of the Ryder Cup team and it
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comes down to Sunday and everything's tied, and in your
last match you can send out oh, I don't know, uh,
Zander Schoffley to play Rory McElroy. Or you can send
out Kevin Kissner to play Sergio Garcia, or you can
throw out Tiger Woods. Who who who would you put
(40:25):
in that spot? Honestly, no, Actually, I think the Phil
thing actually surprised me more because last time Phil had
such a problem with uh, you know, with the captain
that and and was and was so vocal about it.
I think that one would be the one that would
actually surprise me a little bit more. Well, that all changed.
That was in Scotland four years ago, and that is
(40:46):
when Michelson actually he and Tiger, who obviously weren't very close,
didn't have really any relationship. It's kind of interesting after
that debacle in Scotland. Now, yeah, four years ago, those
two came together and they started this Ryder Cup task force.
And then at Hazel Team in Minnesota two years ago,
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that really was Phil's team because of everything that had
happened two years earlier, and Tiger was a vice captain
because he was coming off of the back surgery and
those two were riding in cards together and you know,
best friends, and the US went on to win in
in great fashion in Minnesota. And that's why this is
Phil and Tiger's team, and that you know, Jim Peerick's
(41:29):
the captain, but Phil Mickelson and Tiger Woods have a
lot of influence and they'll both be on the team.
I promise you they'll both be on the team. All Right.
That's Ryan Burr. Ryan, thanks so much for joining us. Dude,
really appreciate your time. Welcome back to the States. You
got a brother season
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