July 25, 2018 • 40 mins
Doug argues the Patriots are still in a much better position than most of the NFL teams even if they're still dealing with the Malcolm Butler fallout. He tells you why DeMar DeRozan is asking for the truth even though that's what he really wants to hear. Plus Ole Miss head coach Matt Luke stops by to discuss they're tough schedule and losing QB Shea Patterson to Michigan.
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Matt Luke is the new head coach at ole Miss.
Of course, Ole Miss had a historic run of success
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great stuff yesterday. Uh and as Cancer joined us in
the studio for about twenty minutes. I thought he was great,
so so to it A J. Hinch, who of course
manager for the first place in the A L West
Houston Astros. We talked a lot of baseball yesterday that
I thought was fascinating with a J hints really kind
of an open book was great. So, uh, there's the
ways in which you are can listen. We appreciate you
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being part of the show. It's so funny on how
we are so caught up in what happened leading up
to the Super Bowl. There is this there is this
continued discussion and I look, I think there's some we
do we want answers, you know, we I want the truth.
And it's there's almost a back and forth between Bill
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Belichick earlier today which got kind of felt a little
like a few good men, right. But the fact is
that maybe we in the media, maybe some of the
New England Patriots, maybe some of the former Newinghand Patriots
ex Patriots, maybe people in the NFL they want to know,
like why did Malcolm Butler play in the Super Bowl?
And and and some of this comes from the Seattle Seahawks, right,
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the Seahawks. What what began the process of the collapse
of what felt like it could be a dynasty was
on second down, not giving the ball, not giving the
ball to a running back who I think most people
marsha and Marshawn Lynch. Most people would have thought Patriots
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defense was taken on water could have scored and because
the answer wasn't ever good enough for the defense for
other players on that team. Many believe that the Seahawks
never got over that loss to the Newland Patriots ever,
which is fascinating to me, be because um, I don't
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know if the Green Bay Packers ever got off got
got over their loss to the Seattle Seahawks two weeks
before in Seattle when Aaron Rodgers playing with a pulled
cap and they still should have won the game. They
gagged all over themselves. Remember that that's what led to
the Seahawks be in the Super Bowl. But if you
think that the Patriots are in a bad spot because
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everyone wants answers that they're not going to get from Belichick,
you should think again. Take a listen. First, this is
Dan Shawnessy, who's a tremendous calumnist for the Boston Globe.
All right, Dan Shaughnessy back and forth with Bill Belichick.
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What about the fact that everywhere we go, folks want
to ask about Malcolm Butler, I mean sports coaches, players, university.
You're a sports fan and we've talked about that. That's
multiple months ago. Is there gonna be any more explanation
about why he didn't play? Focused on training camp? Would
you do it any differently training camp? Well, we're getting started.
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We're working on that right now. We'll do the best
we can. And it doesn't matter to you. Do you
care that the fans wanted them more about this? I'm
focused on doing the best that I can for the
two thousand and eighteen New England Patriots. That's my job.
That's what I'm gonna do, and that's what I've always
done in the past. You know, every day that I've
coached here, I've done the best that I could for
this football team. And I'll continue to do that. And
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right now, my focus is on the two thousand and
eighteen season, not two thousand and seventeen or two thousand
and fourteen, not two thousand and seven, not two thousand
and four, not two thousand and one, not two thousand
not focused on any of those seasons. They're done for
this season. For this season's team. Is important for you
to address the mouth and Botle thing with your team.
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It's important for me to have a good season in
two thousand and eighteen. I'm gonna do everything I can't
do that now. Look, my personal perspective of the Malcolm
Butler thing is this, if you read some of the comments,
you know, things that have leaked out, I actually think
more of Belichick, more of the Patriots than before the
Malcolm Butler thing. Let me give you my quick perspective.
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Have you had heard any leaks from the sources close
to the New England Patriots say that Malcolm Butler was
out drinking, that Malcolm Butler was playing poorly. Have you
heard any of that? The only comments that we have
heard were from a couple of named Patriot players who
wondered aloud, and from Malcolm Butler himself, who admitted he
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wasn't playing up to his normal level and he checked
himself into the hospital the week of the Super Bowl
before the team left. And then the reports where he
missed the team flight. That that's all we heard. The
Patriots haven't thrown Malcolm Butler under the bus. Bill Belichick
had an opportunity to throw him under the bus, and
he has not. Additionally, that what Bill Belichick is saying.
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You listen, if you parse his words, all he's saying
is everything that I did on Super Bowl Sunday was
to give us the best opportunity to win. If you don't,
if you don't agree that, that's fine. I've been to
eight Super Bowls, eight since Tom Brady became the starting
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quarterback in two thousand one. We have never had a
season in which we won fewer than ten games. That's
this is how we roll here. And if you don't
roll with us, that's fine. We move on to the next.
In spite of the fact that they have had seven
months of opportunities to crush Malcolm Butler, they didn't say
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a word. He walked out the door. They wished him well.
But if you think that this is um if you
think that this is going to affect the Patriots because
fans want to know, and there's the assumption at players
want to know. If this is the worst thing, if
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this is the one question. I don't actually think it's
the one question. But do you think this is the
one question for the Patriots? Well, I ain't that bad, right,
I Mean, look, the Miami Dolphins, their quarterbacks coming off
an a C L injury. Plus they've had a complete
change in their style of personnel. They've gotten rid of
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their big name players. Does that that may improve their culture? It?
Are they actually good enough? The Buffalo Bills, Tyrod Taylor
led them to the playoffs for the first time in
over a decade long at playoff drought in the National
Football League, and Tyrod Taylor's no longer there. They drafted
a quarterback that everybody thinks needs some time, and they
have a j McCarron who I guess could be a starter.
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I mean, they got a lot, they got a lot
more questions than they do answers. Remember we're talking their
own division. Sam Donald gonna play this year? Or is
he gonna be a backup for a Jets team that
everyone thought would be the worst in the league and
surprise people to win six games, but would surprise people
even more if they won more than six this year?
Like if the if, the if? The biggest question heading
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into the Patriots season is something that happened last season.
Well they're gonna laugh their way to eleven or twelve wins, right,
I mean, look at the elite teams in the National
Football because Doug out the show, Fox Sports Radio. The
Rams were they a flash in the pan because they
played a soft schedule and got exposed in the playoffs
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beating at home? And they go out and they add
a bunch of dudes on one year deals, Like, how
does that work out? Other players getting Todd Gurley gets
a long term deal, they signed a they trade for
a wide receiver gets a long term deal before he
takes a snap. Meanwhile, Aaron Donald their best player, um,
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their best player doesn't have a new contract that he
desires and he's a no show at camp, Like those
are at Jared Goff year two? Your three? Is he
as good as he wasn't your two? Is he back
in your one? Like those are bigger questions? Then, hey,
why don't you play Malcolm Butler's not on the team anymore? Right?
The Vikings. The Vikings had three good quarterbacks last year.
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All three are gone. Kirk Cousins, who's solid, steady, but
only been one playoff game to which he lost. Like,
is Kirk Cousins really as good as the money that
he's making? The Steelers No Ryan Chase here, that's a
huge question. Who replaces him in the middle defensively? And
you know they change offenses, but Levian still wants to
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be paid more. Antonio Brown helicoptering into camp like they
got a lot more questions than the Patriots. And why
don't you play Malcolm Butler? Eagles? When does Carson Wentz play?
How does that affect? Do they have a Super Bowl hangover?
How does it affect the fact that Wentz could have
been the m d P last year and he's not
gotten hurt, but he's replacing a guy who played really well. Hell,
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the New York Giants don't know if Eli Manning can
still play. The Ravens. No one believes in Joe Flacco
except for Joe Flacco, and I think their offensive staff right,
You've got the Panthers and Cam Newton coming off a
wild wild up and down season. The Seahawks Russell Wilson play.
He was the whole team last year. It's not like
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they rebuilt their offensive line. Dallas Cowboys, truthfully, do they
know of Dak Prescott? Is that good? Especially now that
you've lost Jason Witten, that you've lost as Bryant, Like,
are they better without those two big names? Even if
those big names aren't as good as the reputation would
lead you to believe like those are legit questions. And
I'm not criticizing Shaughnessy as much as if that's the
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biggest question heading into the season for the Patriots, then
we're good. Right, you're getting caught up in the little stuff.
We're good. The Patriots are in a much better spot.
They're not only most teams in the NFL, then most
of the really good teams in the NFL. Hell, the
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Atlanta Falcons at Steve Sarkisian last year, first year is
their offensive coordinator, and that thing didn't work for about
ten or eleven weeks and they kind of started getting
to going and play much better in the playoffs. Plus
Julio Jones wants a new contract. Like, that's all this
year's stuff. It's all this year's stuff. If the biggest
question is why don't you play Malcolm Butler, that's the
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best you can come up with, and it is a
question that people want answered. Tales of the demise of
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I Heart Radio app. I have a boss that I
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I admire a great deal. So, um, one of my
bosses and Fox Sports Traders to do, Dame Scott Shapiro.
I've known Scottie for He's probably gonna text me because
I'm gonna get it wrong. I'm gonna say for ten years.
Um we worked together. He used to, he started, he
was he came in and uh he was a producer
for Mike and Mike and it was the number one
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show in sports radio at the time. And um, you know,
the one thing that I've always liked about our relationship
is he doesn't always give you, you know, positive feedback.
It's always honest feedback. And the thing that I've always
kind of challenged myself to have is the ability to
take that honest feedback. And it's really hard because in
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our businesses not know what your business is like. But
in our business, everyone says, man, you're great, it was
really good, it was good. You've done doing a TV
show that you butchered at least ten lines on And
people go, oh, no, it's great. I don't even know,
no big deal. It's off the some oftentimes they'll say
it's off the Pluto, meaning hey, that show is done.
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Even a screwed hum who's gonna know right who's watching anyway?
The truth is that all it takes is some dude
from old old takes exposed to record it, put it
out on on Twitter, and now your goose is cooked
because you you misspoke. You said something really dumb. I've
said really dumb things before. Uh, but so so Scott,
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Like when we talk about the show, it's not always
like that was great, Oh it was great, because I've
had bosses before like that was great. It was awesome, great,
Oh it was great. Everything's great, great, great, great, great great.
You know, knowing that the reality is if you do
in sports trading, you do two hundred and twenty two
thirty shows a year, that they're not always gonna be great.
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There's gonna be shows aren't great. There's gonna be segments
and aren't great. There's gonna be questions that aren't great.
There's gonna be rants that don't make any sense. You're
gonna lose your train of thought because I kind of
think in order to be any good you almost have
to have a little bit of a d D. You
just do. But I you gotta challenge your elf two
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because I always said this where people say, in my
business they want feedback, man, I I just I'd love
some good feedback. And then the second that somebody goes like, hey,
you know, um, that wasn't very good and here's why
X y Z, and they give you quality feedback, but
it's of the more negative variety, dudes will lose their mind.
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So I've invented kind of a saying, which is guys
don't really want feedback. What they want is somebody really
important to say they're awesome. That's that's sports market, sports broadcasting,
one on one, radio, TV, print, digital doesn't matter. Most
guys don't really want feedback. They want somebody who's really
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important that can write them a bigger check next contract
to go, hey, dude, you're pretty much the greatest thing ever.
That's what they really want. And I think the same
as in probably in your business, it's the same in
DeMar de Rosen's business. DeMar de Rosen is an All Star.
You average three game this year, twenty seven a game
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the year before for the Toronto Raptors. He gave his
first one on one interview since being traded to the
San Antonio Spurs yesterday. He attended uh my girl, Nicky
Colin of course record All Ball with Me. The Atlanta
Dream took down the l A Sparks at Staples Center
last night. He recorded one on one interview with Chris
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Hayes Haynes excuse me, and had and had this to
say in regards to being traded. I felt like I
wasn't treated with what I sacrificed for nine years, with
the respect that I thought I deserve, by just giving
me to say so of letting me know something's going on,
or I said, chance, that's all I wanted. I'm not
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saying you don't have to train me, are you just
let me know something going on? Because I sacrifice everything.
Just let me know. That's all I ask. It's all ask,
Just let me know. But you have to also consider
the alternative here, like he was disrespected because we didn't say, hey,
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heads up, you might be getting traded. What's the reality
to that? The reality is that there's lots of deals
to which you are probably part of the discussion that
weren't made that we didn't give your heads up about.
Once that thing gets leaked. If you're the Toronto Raptors,
and I do think they did well in the deal,
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I think they upgraded. I do. I think they upgraded.
Yaka Portal is younger, but I mean Danny Green is
super experienced and knows his role, can defend, can make shots,
even if he's a little long in the tooth, and
Kawhi Leonard is a better player than Danny Green. So
if you think you're gonna get a good deal, you
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can't tip off. You can't tip off to Martin Rosen
because you tell Devarne Rosen, Hey, dude, sums up might
get traded. Just would love your respect. You please don't
say anything. Oh, everybody keeps a secret in this business,
right What if Demart Rosen didn't want to go to
San Antonio and he lets it be known because he's
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got inside information, or he doesn't want to go to
San Antonio so they leak it to drive up the
price for Kauai Leonard. Oh look, Toronto is willing to
come off of an All Star. The reality is, reality
is everybody says they want the truth, But do you
really want the truth? Do you think to Martin Rosen
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had been really cool with the AGAC. You know we're
taking trade offers. What happens if you don't trade to
Martin Rosen. If you're in a relationship with your wife,
right and you said, like, listen, I don't know if
we're gonna get divorced. I just want to talk to
a divorce attorney. How do you And then you come
back go, you know what, We're all good here, We're good,
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not gonna get divorced. How do you think your relationship goes?
And think about that, Like this this idea that DeMar
derozen wants all this great information wants to be just
treated honestly on the same levels. Like that's just not
the reality to it. Everybody wants the truth until they
get it, until they get it. Once they get the truth,
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now they start freaking out. Fox Sports Radio has the
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things kind of predetermined to a story actually coming out.
He decided you like a guy if you don't like
a guy? Right, Um, And some of this is is earned.
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Equity has earned. I've said this before. He's like, I
have people are friends in this business who get onto
Steph Curry. Well, if anybody else dance when they made
a three you'd make a big deal like yeah, but
it's it's not it. It's not like he's given the
finger to the guy he made the three over. He's
playing with joy and dancing like I don't think that's
But there are people like, look, you like Steph Curry.
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That's why Steph Curry's antics don't bother you. Like, Okay,
I don't think of Steph Curry as a flopper. I
don't think of Steph Curry as somebody who uh is
though he may be a show there's a difference in
a show men and a show boat. I think more
showmen than show boat. But I do think it's fair
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to say part of our reason for not overreacting to
Steph Curry throwing a mouthpieces, he's got a lot of
positive equity. I know people with USA Basketball, and I
had a friend told me this. They said that, Look,
they've worked with all of the all you name an
NBA star since nineteen was it ninety two when the
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Dream Team first came to be, so you're talking about
twenty six years. Twenty six years they've worked with everybody,
Shack Kobe, Lebron, Jordan's bird magic, you name it. And
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they said to a man, if you ask people of
the guys that have played for Team USA, who's the
best person person, and they'll go probably Steph Curry. Yeah,
that he's like a legit great dude, thoughtful, respectful, um
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and courteous and so yeah, I think it's fair. I
honestly think it's fair that sometimes we give Steph Curry,
I guess, a pass when he threw his mouthpiece. What
would be a tantrum to somebody else, If somebody else,
if Draymond Green through his mouth piece, Draymond Green gets suspended.
If Steph Curry throws his mouthpiece, we're like, don't do
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that again. So some of it's earned. But this is
a weird thing with Kawhi Leonard because Kawhi Leonard has
literally not said anything to anybody. We we haven't overreacted
to what he's done, which is he's accused the Spurs
or his people have accused the Spurs doctors basically of malpractice.
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He has avoided being around his team during their most
trying times. He has forced a trade, and now after
forcing a trade, which is all we thought he asked
for with Gregg Popovich, you're not showing up to USA's
camp because he's getting ready to make a transition to Toronto.
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I there's so much about Kawahi Leonard I I honestly
like my brother recruited him when he was at cal
Berkeley and thought they should have taken him. There was
a discussion within the staff as he was a center
when he was in high school, and the thought was, man,
at six ft six, could you play center, You'd have
to develop. I'm not really sure they passed. Sandy State
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did not, and after two years he became a lottery pick,
and several years after that he became arguably the best
two way player in the NBA, probably the third best
player in the league when he's healthy. Like it's a
great story. There's been no baggage in terms of women, kids,
drugs abuse, none of that. But in in sports he
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did when he had he had a year between the
end of this last season and his contract being up,
and so you have the power to force your hand
to force the team to trade you. But being passing
a physical and then no showing to Team USA when
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it's coached by Greg Popovich, who did right by you,
not just trading you, but traded you to a good team, right.
They didn't send him to a team incent of the
Brooklyn Nets for a year. They didn't send him to
any sort of nondescriptive team that couldn't compete in the East.
They sent him to the team and the best record
in the East. They gave him an opportunity to compete
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for whatever he wants to compete for. I mean, if
he wants to go to l A and go to
l A. They did right by him. They did right
by themselves. But they did right by him, right by him,
and and the reward to Gregg Popovitch is no show
to Teamsa's camp, which I would give a pass. And again,
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like some of this, I'll give pass to Lebron. Why
Lebron playing the finals? Lebron played all eighty two games.
Lebron doesn't want to come to us as camp or
whoever some of these guys that played this season on fine,
But Kawhi Leonard, you played nine games. You can't show
up for a workout. I just if it was anybody else,
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we'd be slaughtering him. So why aren't we slaughtering Kauai?
Is it because other guys that Paul George got hurt
in t Musa's workouts. Maybe is it because we have
no there's no bad feelings about Kauai because he hasn't
said and he literally hadn't said anything. You can't have
positive or negative. The only positive you can have is man,
he's a really really good player. Maybe, um, but all
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of this stuff that he's done would not be getting.
He would not be treated with kid gloves if he
was almost anybody else. Go to any other star in
the NBA, and if they forced a trade and then
no show to t m USA's workouts after playing nine
games and being deemed by their new team to be
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fully healthy, he'd be like, man, that guy sucks. I
hate that guy. I don't like that guy. Quiet let
me like, yeah, okay, he didn't really want to play
for Pop. I don't know. That's a that's an amazing pass.
We are giving him an amazing pass. Be sure to
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and the I Heart Radio app. Tom Berduccio courses and
Emmy Award winner. His latest piece in Sports Illustrated is
The Star that still won't shine the incredible, unprecedented but
unseen greatness of Mike Try. Don't want to get to
that in a moment, but let's react to the most
recent news in Major League Baseball. Um to me, Tom,
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this is the Yankees going all in. Uh. It's the
opposite of what they did two years ago when they
smartly moved away some of their older pieces, tax retired,
they forced a Rod into retirement, and they played their
younger players only to get them back get competitive, far
quicker than they ever could have thought. What does this
do in terms of the pecking order in the American
League when they add an arm like Zach Britten in
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the back end of that bullpen. Well, listen, in the
perfect world, Doug, the Yankees would go out and get
this year's Usin Verlander and fortify that rotation. But there
is no Justin Verlander this year. So I know that
bullpen is historically good in terms of strikeouts, keeping the
ball out of play E r. A Is fantastic. Right. Uh.
They're making a strength even stronger with Britain, and you
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know it gives them a lefty in front of Chapman.
Not that it matters too much. I mean to me,
they're right handers are so good to get lefty out anyway,
but it's another Look, it's another guy who can close games,
that experience of pitching in big spots. So listened also
that you know, this is not why the Yankees did it.
They love Britain, obviously, that's why they got them. But
keeps them, keep keeps him out of Boston, keep Houston, right, Yeah,
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and listen, you're gonna have to go through at some
point one or both of those teams if you're the Yankees.
So it makes a lot of sense, you know. No,
I mean, like, look, Houston has everything except a defined
closer that you are scared of, right, I mean, the
arms are unbelievable. They're throwing out the rotation. But playoffs
so oftentimes have been decided by who closes things out
and not who's now who starts things and this is
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a will in for him? Right? Did they get another
arm to have the best bullpen in baseball, especially even
the postseason when bullpens matter. But maybe more than anything,
it's it's like the Broncos when they got West Welker
away from the Patriots. Sure, they only got one year
away from buddy got him away from New England and
kept him from anybody else in the a f C.
It does. What do they give up in terms of
all the pictures? Was anybody good that was given up
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in return? Yeah, Dylan Tate was a guy they actually
they picked up from Texas and Carlos Beltron deal a
couple of years ago. He was a long time ago.
He was the fourth overall pick in the draft. Big arms,
slowly developed, but put his putting together a really good year.
The thing with the Yankees jug is is they're in
a forty man roster crunch that's gonna come this winter,
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and Tate was one of those guys. You can say,
Clint Fraser is another one of those guys, Wade Taylor.
They have basically too many good players for a forty
man roster. So they with this deal, and I think
they still have another deal coming or that Jay Half
or something else. They'll continue to move these guys who
are major league quality players who just don't have, you know,
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the bandwidth on the Yankee used to find a place
on the roster. Fascinating stuff. What about starting arms? Who's
the best starting arm that would be available to a
team like the Yankees. I think it's Jay hap. I
know he hasn't been great the last four or five starts,
but you know, he's a guy who doesn't give up
many home runs. He's pitched well against the Red Sox,
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He's pitched well in New York. He's an older guy,
He's been durable. There's not a lot of questions with
Jay Happ in terms of, you know, like with Sonny
Gray last year, how is he gonna fit in New York,
how is he gonna fit into a pennant race? Uh.
A pretty solid guy, not a difference maker. But you
have to remember this, Doug. There is basically a two
month playoff going on right now. I know we all
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like to look at these teams and how they look
in October and the deals they make now, but the
Yankees are in a playoff right now with Boston to
stay out of that wild Card game. And they have
ten more games with Boston, starting with the series next
week and ending with the last three of the year.
They have to win games between now and Octo over
and I think, you know, with her mom kind of
hitting a wall there and and some of the problems
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that's Gray as heads and I could pitch great last night,
but he's been up and down. I think fortifying that
rotation makes a lot of sense for them, whether it's
a guy like Lance Lynn or whether it's um, you know,
Kevin Gosman from Baltimore. If they could doing Bundy from Baltimore.
But Jay have to me, I think you'll see him
get moving the next couple of days. And maybe it's
the Yankees. Okay, what about Houston and their bullpen? A
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j Hints joined us. We talked yesterday about the I
mean the numbers. The batting average against is like two eleven.
In comparison, I think the next coast is like Boston
with two thirty six. I mean, their starters are amazing,
but you know who's going to close that door that
the Giles thing doesn't not appear to be working. Um,
there's some other options back there. They spent a lot
of money in the bullpen in the off season. Is
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there somebody that they can go that they can go do? Yeah?
I think both those guys are gone now and it's
Brad Hand and Zach Britton. It's funny when you look
at the overall umbers of the Houston bullpen, they're really,
really good actually, but you know, having that one trusted
guy at the back end they don't have. It's not
gonna be Giles. It's not gonna be the answer. You know.
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Maybe that guy's mccullars. You know, I personally wouldn't have
any issue with that. I mean, the guy's got ice
in his veins, He's got that curveball that people just
don't hit. I think he could be a closer. They
certainly can match it like they did last year. Morton
and Peacock both closed games when they had to last year.
Is it a need? I think it's a need. Is
an urgent need? I would say no, based on the
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fact that you're not going to use all five starters
in the postseason, and there's a way you can. You
can map this thing out with one of your starters
in the pen, and I think it could be mccullar's. Uh.
Tom Ferducci, Emmy Award winning broadcaster for Fox Sports joining
us also Emill be Network joins Doug Gotlam show Fox
Sports Radio. Let's go to the National League where Justin
Turner hurt again, but the good news is they have
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Manny Machado. What are your thoughts on the Dodgers as
we had closer and closer to the trade deadline. Man,
this this was a fit. As soon as Corey segro
went down, you know, I was calling Machado to the Dodgers.
It's just too good of a fit. It was all
along just as a rental property. Uh, he's not going
to resign with the Dodgers. But you know the Dodgers,
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as you know, they have to win the World Series.
Getting there was great. They've been in the postseason here,
but it's been the longest en franchise history since they
actually won the darn thing. And to me watching Houston
last year, and as great as the starting pitching was,
I saw a lot of guys in that line up,
starting with Jose Alto, they who could hit good pitching.
I'll never forget there was a game against the Yankees
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in that series where Al two they got hits on
high fastballs on both Chad Green and enrolled as Chapman,
and I can tell you the Yankees went, WHOA. Not
that they didn't know that guy was good, but nobody
could hit the high fastballs of those guys. That's what
you need, not just bullpens. We talked so much about
that guys who hit good pitching, that's Manny Machado. These days,
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I measure guys by how they hit relief pitching, because
relief pitching is just so darned good. You don't get
the platoon matchup in your favor. When you're a hitter,
you're gonna see a guy right on right, left on left,
with just nasty stuff. Machado hits relief pitching. He's one
of the top ten in all of baseball. I think
the impact he's going to make, Yeah, he's gonna make
it now. I think it's gonna be really big in October.
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I do. I do too. Are they done? Are they
done shopping? Here's the issue the Dodgers, I think, in
a perfect world, would love one of those right handed
power pitching strikeout relief guys right but they're kind of
up against it in terms of the competitive balance tax,
so it would have to be And they're great at
doing this, finding an under the radar big arm that
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plays up. You know. It worked out great for them
last year as Brandon Morrow came in on a on
a minor league deal. Uh. This year, Scotty Alexander has
done a great job for them from the left side.
I think one more arm like that in a perfect
world for the Dodgers. Yeah, they're like and I think
the find one. Uh. It may not be a big
name everybody knows about, but they've been so good at
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finding guys who are a little it under the radar,
maybe just with one particular pitch that doesn't expose too
much um and they're catching and pitching staff does a
great job with game planning. I think they'll come up
with another arm. Tune into Yankees Red Sox next week
Thursday and Friday on MLB Network. I believe that's the
fifty three and fifty fourth time that they'll meet this season,
or at least seems that way down Ducci Verrnucci joins
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us in the Doug Gottlieb Show. All Right, so your
piece on on Mike Trout. The title is the star
that won't that still won't shine the incredible, unprecedented, unseen
greatness of Mike Trout. Uh. This is a fascinating discussion
I want to have with you, maybe because we haven't
had it with the commissioner. How the league react you
talked to you're in clubhouses. One of the reasons that
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you've become great at What you do is you don't
just call games, don't just write about games. You go
to places, you talk to people within the game. What
was their reaction to what the Commissioner of Baseball said, essentially,
Colin Mike Trout out for not really trying to promote
his and Baseball's brand. Well, the Angels were ticked off
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because listen, the commissioner was replying to a question. But
I think he went someplace. Maybe he didn't intend to,
but certainly the way the Angels didn't want him to.
And that's basically talking about what Mike Trout does with
his free time. And you got the impression from Rob
Manford that he thinks that Mike Trout should be doing
more to sell the game in his free time. I mean,
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you know, Mike Trout, He's not that kind of a guy.
He's not a self promoter. You know, he's everything. I
call him Baseball's best asset because as a role model
and as a just a performer, I think it's unbelievable.
I mean, as a star player, Mike is out there
literally before every game, signing for kids, especially kids, but anybody,
but especially kids. He's always got a smile on his face.
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He plays the game hard, he plays it better than
anybody else. He's the undisputed best player in baseball. That
should be something, and they'll be ken market. Now. What
they're saying is, hey, we need Mike's help to make
this thing. To Mike, Mike Trout's brand, so to speak,
bigger Doug. I don't think Mike Trout is interested in
his so called brand, right. I don't think he's a
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brand builder. I think he's a baseball player. And the
reason that he's not more popular so to speak, or
known is the fact that the Angels have never won
a playoff game since he put the uniform on. Four
teams have won a playoff games since Mike trout debut.
The Angels are not one of those twenty four and
would be truly a big star in baseball. Where you're
in commercial is not wearing a uniform like David Ortiz
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or Derek Jeter or Buster Posey. You have to get
to the World Series, and most likely when the World Series.
That's just the way baseball operates. It's incredibly strong regionally,
but to be a national start, you have to be
on the national stage and win the darn championships and unfortunately,
the Angels haven't gotten close with Mike Trout. That's but
I don't I don't even I don't even know. Look
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do I think do I think that part of it
is they haven't won in the playoffs? You've gotten they
got the playoffs once with him. I think that's part
of it. I also think part of it is part
of his baseball right, like who is a transcendent star
in baseball? Now, Look, the Yankees are a little bit
different and Aaron Judge, but you know, and Aaron Judge
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in win a World Series, and Aaron Judge is a
huge name, but he's a hugely because he's Yankee. Some
of this comes from the fact he's he's an angel,
some because the fact that they have Angels haven't won
in the playoffs. Some of it comes from the fact
that it's baseball, and some of it comes from the
fact that he's just not an angel. Like Mookie Bets
is a great player having an incredible season, Mookie Bets
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a household name. I think the answer is no. Now, obviously,
the differences you got like seven years of incredible success
for Trout and he's widely regarded as the best player
in baseball, maybe by a mile. But I I some
of this to me should be baseball looking itself in
the mirror. Like he does social media. He does good work,
he has great energy when he comes to the ballpark
as you as you pointed out, like the rest isn't
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really his job to build a brand. I'm not sure
who's brand in baseball is all that strong to begin with. Yeah,
I mean the way I look at it again is
take the uniform off somebody. Is he recognizable by casual fan?
And if you dropped that list for baseball players, I'll
probably give you Bryce Harper, right he I say, he's
a national brand that's known even if you're not a
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hardcore baseball fan. Beyond that, who you got a bunch
of retired players. But in terms of active players, it
is hard to build. You know, the game is such
a team game, as you know, and in a lot
of ways, the individual style of players that actually has
been tamped down over the years. That's just the way
baseball has been. I think that's starting to loose it up.
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I think we're getting past the age where if you
you know, it's a sacrilege to flip your bat Thankfully,
we're getting beyond that. So I think players are starting
to show a little more style. We saw some of
that in the All Star Game, or we actually heard
from some of those guys, which is great, but we
need more of that, and I think it's starting to change,
but it's changing slowly as things doing. Baseball. Um is there.
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I'm like, obviously you mentioned the Angels were ticked. They
put out a press release the type of which baseball
teams never any sports franchise never puts out, actually ever
puts out. Um, they're paying him thirty three million, they
got him under contract till two thousand twenty. But I
mean and the Angels they have Otani, although we don't
know what his status would be when they figure out
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his elbow in the off season, Like, there has to
be a ton a ton of fear in our Morino's
office over the fact that at some point he throws
up his arms and says, fellas, I love you. I've
gotten made a lot of money here, but I'm gonna
have to go east for baseball matters. Yeah. I think
it would scare them because listen, who knows what's going
to happen with Otani? If eventually he does need the
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surgery on his elbow. Um, you know that's gonna put
him out all of next year. That means really only
one full year where Otani and Trout can play together. Um.
Albert Bools is under contract of the Angels right now
for a longer period of time than Mike Trout. You
don't think about that, Lisen. They tried this year and
they were incredible, really unlucky with injuries. I mean, unlike
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I guess anybody other than the Mets. It's been just
a disaster pitching wise with injuries for the Angels. Um.
But over these eight years, they definitely haven't really surrounded.
They haven't made the most an opportunity to have essentially
the Mickey Mantle of our generation in the postseason. And
that's on the Angels, not on Mike Trout. But yes,
I think you have to fear if you're the Angels
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that if you don't show Mike Trout you are ready,
I mean seriously ready to win, not just you know,
hope and prayer we get into the postseason for the
first round of the playoffs. I'm talking about winning a championship. Yeah,
it's it's got to scare the pants off him, that
he would head back home somewhere. Great stuff. Tom Emmy
Award winner, Tom Verducci, Yankees, Red Sox upcoming next Thursday
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and Friday on the MLB Network. Thanks so much, Tom,
always fun. Thanks Doug,
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Matt Luke is the new head coach at ole Miss.
Of course, Ole Miss had a historic run of success
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sec country and the thoughts and hopes that some of
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to that. And oh yeah, by the way, the most
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(02:13):
great stuff yesterday. Uh and as Cancer joined us in
the studio for about twenty minutes. I thought he was great,
so so to it A J. Hinch, who of course
manager for the first place in the A L West
Houston Astros. We talked a lot of baseball yesterday that
I thought was fascinating with a J hints really kind
of an open book was great. So, uh, there's the
ways in which you are can listen. We appreciate you
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being part of the show. It's so funny on how
we are so caught up in what happened leading up
to the Super Bowl. There is this there is this
continued discussion and I look, I think there's some we
do we want answers, you know, we I want the truth.
And it's there's almost a back and forth between Bill
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Belichick earlier today which got kind of felt a little
like a few good men, right. But the fact is
that maybe we in the media, maybe some of the
New England Patriots, maybe some of the former Newinghand Patriots
ex Patriots, maybe people in the NFL they want to know,
like why did Malcolm Butler play in the Super Bowl?
And and and some of this comes from the Seattle Seahawks, right,
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the Seahawks. What what began the process of the collapse
of what felt like it could be a dynasty was
on second down, not giving the ball, not giving the
ball to a running back who I think most people
marsha and Marshawn Lynch. Most people would have thought Patriots
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defense was taken on water could have scored and because
the answer wasn't ever good enough for the defense for
other players on that team. Many believe that the Seahawks
never got over that loss to the Newland Patriots ever,
which is fascinating to me, be because um, I don't
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know if the Green Bay Packers ever got off got
got over their loss to the Seattle Seahawks two weeks
before in Seattle when Aaron Rodgers playing with a pulled
cap and they still should have won the game. They
gagged all over themselves. Remember that that's what led to
the Seahawks be in the Super Bowl. But if you
think that the Patriots are in a bad spot because
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everyone wants answers that they're not going to get from Belichick,
you should think again. Take a listen. First, this is
Dan Shawnessy, who's a tremendous calumnist for the Boston Globe.
All right, Dan Shaughnessy back and forth with Bill Belichick.
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What about the fact that everywhere we go, folks want
to ask about Malcolm Butler, I mean sports coaches, players, university.
You're a sports fan and we've talked about that. That's
multiple months ago. Is there gonna be any more explanation
about why he didn't play? Focused on training camp? Would
you do it any differently training camp? Well, we're getting started.
(05:07):
We're working on that right now. We'll do the best
we can. And it doesn't matter to you. Do you
care that the fans wanted them more about this? I'm
focused on doing the best that I can for the
two thousand and eighteen New England Patriots. That's my job.
That's what I'm gonna do, and that's what I've always
done in the past. You know, every day that I've
coached here, I've done the best that I could for
this football team. And I'll continue to do that. And
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right now, my focus is on the two thousand and
eighteen season, not two thousand and seventeen or two thousand
and fourteen, not two thousand and seven, not two thousand
and four, not two thousand and one, not two thousand
not focused on any of those seasons. They're done for
this season. For this season's team. Is important for you
to address the mouth and Botle thing with your team.
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It's important for me to have a good season in
two thousand and eighteen. I'm gonna do everything I can't
do that now. Look, my personal perspective of the Malcolm
Butler thing is this, if you read some of the comments,
you know, things that have leaked out, I actually think
more of Belichick, more of the Patriots than before the
Malcolm Butler thing. Let me give you my quick perspective.
(06:10):
Have you had heard any leaks from the sources close
to the New England Patriots say that Malcolm Butler was
out drinking, that Malcolm Butler was playing poorly. Have you
heard any of that? The only comments that we have
heard were from a couple of named Patriot players who
wondered aloud, and from Malcolm Butler himself, who admitted he
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wasn't playing up to his normal level and he checked
himself into the hospital the week of the Super Bowl
before the team left. And then the reports where he
missed the team flight. That that's all we heard. The
Patriots haven't thrown Malcolm Butler under the bus. Bill Belichick
had an opportunity to throw him under the bus, and
he has not. Additionally, that what Bill Belichick is saying.
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You listen, if you parse his words, all he's saying
is everything that I did on Super Bowl Sunday was
to give us the best opportunity to win. If you don't,
if you don't agree that, that's fine. I've been to
eight Super Bowls, eight since Tom Brady became the starting
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quarterback in two thousand one. We have never had a
season in which we won fewer than ten games. That's
this is how we roll here. And if you don't
roll with us, that's fine. We move on to the next.
In spite of the fact that they have had seven
months of opportunities to crush Malcolm Butler, they didn't say
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a word. He walked out the door. They wished him well.
But if you think that this is um if you
think that this is going to affect the Patriots because
fans want to know, and there's the assumption at players
want to know. If this is the worst thing, if
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this is the one question. I don't actually think it's
the one question. But do you think this is the
one question for the Patriots? Well, I ain't that bad, right,
I Mean, look, the Miami Dolphins, their quarterbacks coming off
an a C L injury. Plus they've had a complete
change in their style of personnel. They've gotten rid of
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their big name players. Does that that may improve their culture? It?
Are they actually good enough? The Buffalo Bills, Tyrod Taylor
led them to the playoffs for the first time in
over a decade long at playoff drought in the National
Football League, and Tyrod Taylor's no longer there. They drafted
a quarterback that everybody thinks needs some time, and they
have a j McCarron who I guess could be a starter.
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I mean, they got a lot, they got a lot
more questions than they do answers. Remember we're talking their
own division. Sam Donald gonna play this year? Or is
he gonna be a backup for a Jets team that
everyone thought would be the worst in the league and
surprise people to win six games, but would surprise people
even more if they won more than six this year?
Like if the if, the if? The biggest question heading
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into the Patriots season is something that happened last season.
Well they're gonna laugh their way to eleven or twelve wins, right,
I mean, look at the elite teams in the National
Football because Doug out the show, Fox Sports Radio. The
Rams were they a flash in the pan because they
played a soft schedule and got exposed in the playoffs
(09:30):
beating at home? And they go out and they add
a bunch of dudes on one year deals, Like, how
does that work out? Other players getting Todd Gurley gets
a long term deal, they signed a they trade for
a wide receiver gets a long term deal before he
takes a snap. Meanwhile, Aaron Donald their best player, um,
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their best player doesn't have a new contract that he
desires and he's a no show at camp, Like those
are at Jared Goff year two? Your three? Is he
as good as he wasn't your two? Is he back
in your one? Like those are bigger questions? Then, hey,
why don't you play Malcolm Butler's not on the team anymore? Right?
The Vikings. The Vikings had three good quarterbacks last year.
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All three are gone. Kirk Cousins, who's solid, steady, but
only been one playoff game to which he lost. Like,
is Kirk Cousins really as good as the money that
he's making? The Steelers No Ryan Chase here, that's a
huge question. Who replaces him in the middle defensively? And
you know they change offenses, but Levian still wants to
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be paid more. Antonio Brown helicoptering into camp like they
got a lot more questions than the Patriots. And why
don't you play Malcolm Butler? Eagles? When does Carson Wentz play?
How does that affect? Do they have a Super Bowl hangover?
How does it affect the fact that Wentz could have
been the m d P last year and he's not
gotten hurt, but he's replacing a guy who played really well. Hell,
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the New York Giants don't know if Eli Manning can
still play. The Ravens. No one believes in Joe Flacco
except for Joe Flacco, and I think their offensive staff right,
You've got the Panthers and Cam Newton coming off a
wild wild up and down season. The Seahawks Russell Wilson play.
He was the whole team last year. It's not like
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they rebuilt their offensive line. Dallas Cowboys, truthfully, do they
know of Dak Prescott? Is that good? Especially now that
you've lost Jason Witten, that you've lost as Bryant, Like,
are they better without those two big names? Even if
those big names aren't as good as the reputation would
lead you to believe like those are legit questions. And
I'm not criticizing Shaughnessy as much as if that's the
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biggest question heading into the season for the Patriots, then
we're good. Right, you're getting caught up in the little stuff.
We're good. The Patriots are in a much better spot.
They're not only most teams in the NFL, then most
of the really good teams in the NFL. Hell, the
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Atlanta Falcons at Steve Sarkisian last year, first year is
their offensive coordinator, and that thing didn't work for about
ten or eleven weeks and they kind of started getting
to going and play much better in the playoffs. Plus
Julio Jones wants a new contract. Like, that's all this
year's stuff. It's all this year's stuff. If the biggest
question is why don't you play Malcolm Butler, that's the
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best you can come up with, and it is a
question that people want answered. Tales of the demise of
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I Heart Radio app. I have a boss that I
(12:48):
I admire a great deal. So, um, one of my
bosses and Fox Sports Traders to do, Dame Scott Shapiro.
I've known Scottie for He's probably gonna text me because
I'm gonna get it wrong. I'm gonna say for ten years.
Um we worked together. He used to, he started, he
was he came in and uh he was a producer
for Mike and Mike and it was the number one
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show in sports radio at the time. And um, you know,
the one thing that I've always liked about our relationship
is he doesn't always give you, you know, positive feedback.
It's always honest feedback. And the thing that I've always
kind of challenged myself to have is the ability to
take that honest feedback. And it's really hard because in
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our businesses not know what your business is like. But
in our business, everyone says, man, you're great, it was
really good, it was good. You've done doing a TV
show that you butchered at least ten lines on And
people go, oh, no, it's great. I don't even know,
no big deal. It's off the some oftentimes they'll say
it's off the Pluto, meaning hey, that show is done.
(13:55):
Even a screwed hum who's gonna know right who's watching anyway?
The truth is that all it takes is some dude
from old old takes exposed to record it, put it
out on on Twitter, and now your goose is cooked
because you you misspoke. You said something really dumb. I've
said really dumb things before. Uh, but so so Scott,
(14:17):
Like when we talk about the show, it's not always
like that was great, Oh it was great, because I've
had bosses before like that was great. It was awesome, great,
Oh it was great. Everything's great, great, great, great, great great.
You know, knowing that the reality is if you do
in sports trading, you do two hundred and twenty two
thirty shows a year, that they're not always gonna be great.
(14:40):
There's gonna be shows aren't great. There's gonna be segments
and aren't great. There's gonna be questions that aren't great.
There's gonna be rants that don't make any sense. You're
gonna lose your train of thought because I kind of
think in order to be any good you almost have
to have a little bit of a d D. You
just do. But I you gotta challenge your elf two
(15:00):
because I always said this where people say, in my
business they want feedback, man, I I just I'd love
some good feedback. And then the second that somebody goes like, hey,
you know, um, that wasn't very good and here's why
X y Z, and they give you quality feedback, but
it's of the more negative variety, dudes will lose their mind.
(15:22):
So I've invented kind of a saying, which is guys
don't really want feedback. What they want is somebody really
important to say they're awesome. That's that's sports market, sports broadcasting,
one on one, radio, TV, print, digital doesn't matter. Most
guys don't really want feedback. They want somebody who's really
(15:45):
important that can write them a bigger check next contract
to go, hey, dude, you're pretty much the greatest thing ever.
That's what they really want. And I think the same
as in probably in your business, it's the same in
DeMar de Rosen's business. DeMar de Rosen is an All Star.
You average three game this year, twenty seven a game
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the year before for the Toronto Raptors. He gave his
first one on one interview since being traded to the
San Antonio Spurs yesterday. He attended uh my girl, Nicky
Colin of course record All Ball with Me. The Atlanta
Dream took down the l A Sparks at Staples Center
last night. He recorded one on one interview with Chris
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Hayes Haynes excuse me, and had and had this to
say in regards to being traded. I felt like I
wasn't treated with what I sacrificed for nine years, with
the respect that I thought I deserve, by just giving
me to say so of letting me know something's going on,
or I said, chance, that's all I wanted. I'm not
(16:49):
saying you don't have to train me, are you just
let me know something going on? Because I sacrifice everything.
Just let me know. That's all I ask. It's all ask,
Just let me know. But you have to also consider
the alternative here, like he was disrespected because we didn't say, hey,
(17:10):
heads up, you might be getting traded. What's the reality
to that? The reality is that there's lots of deals
to which you are probably part of the discussion that
weren't made that we didn't give your heads up about.
Once that thing gets leaked. If you're the Toronto Raptors,
and I do think they did well in the deal,
(17:32):
I think they upgraded. I do. I think they upgraded.
Yaka Portal is younger, but I mean Danny Green is
super experienced and knows his role, can defend, can make shots,
even if he's a little long in the tooth, and
Kawhi Leonard is a better player than Danny Green. So
if you think you're gonna get a good deal, you
(17:54):
can't tip off. You can't tip off to Martin Rosen
because you tell Devarne Rosen, Hey, dude, sums up might
get traded. Just would love your respect. You please don't
say anything. Oh, everybody keeps a secret in this business,
right What if Demart Rosen didn't want to go to
San Antonio and he lets it be known because he's
(18:15):
got inside information, or he doesn't want to go to
San Antonio so they leak it to drive up the
price for Kauai Leonard. Oh look, Toronto is willing to
come off of an All Star. The reality is, reality
is everybody says they want the truth, But do you
really want the truth? Do you think to Martin Rosen
(18:38):
had been really cool with the AGAC. You know we're
taking trade offers. What happens if you don't trade to
Martin Rosen. If you're in a relationship with your wife,
right and you said, like, listen, I don't know if
we're gonna get divorced. I just want to talk to
a divorce attorney. How do you And then you come
back go, you know what, We're all good here, We're good,
(18:59):
not gonna get divorced. How do you think your relationship goes?
And think about that, Like this this idea that DeMar
derozen wants all this great information wants to be just
treated honestly on the same levels. Like that's just not
the reality to it. Everybody wants the truth until they
get it, until they get it. Once they get the truth,
(19:24):
now they start freaking out. Fox Sports Radio has the
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things kind of predetermined to a story actually coming out.
He decided you like a guy if you don't like
a guy? Right, Um, And some of this is is earned.
(19:47):
Equity has earned. I've said this before. He's like, I
have people are friends in this business who get onto
Steph Curry. Well, if anybody else dance when they made
a three you'd make a big deal like yeah, but
it's it's not it. It's not like he's given the
finger to the guy he made the three over. He's
playing with joy and dancing like I don't think that's
But there are people like, look, you like Steph Curry.
(20:09):
That's why Steph Curry's antics don't bother you. Like, Okay,
I don't think of Steph Curry as a flopper. I
don't think of Steph Curry as somebody who uh is
though he may be a show there's a difference in
a show men and a show boat. I think more
showmen than show boat. But I do think it's fair
(20:30):
to say part of our reason for not overreacting to
Steph Curry throwing a mouthpieces, he's got a lot of
positive equity. I know people with USA Basketball, and I
had a friend told me this. They said that, Look,
they've worked with all of the all you name an
NBA star since nineteen was it ninety two when the
(20:52):
Dream Team first came to be, so you're talking about
twenty six years. Twenty six years they've worked with everybody,
Shack Kobe, Lebron, Jordan's bird magic, you name it. And
(21:14):
they said to a man, if you ask people of
the guys that have played for Team USA, who's the
best person person, and they'll go probably Steph Curry. Yeah,
that he's like a legit great dude, thoughtful, respectful, um
(21:37):
and courteous and so yeah, I think it's fair. I
honestly think it's fair that sometimes we give Steph Curry,
I guess, a pass when he threw his mouthpiece. What
would be a tantrum to somebody else, If somebody else,
if Draymond Green through his mouth piece, Draymond Green gets suspended.
If Steph Curry throws his mouthpiece, we're like, don't do
(21:58):
that again. So some of it's earned. But this is
a weird thing with Kawhi Leonard because Kawhi Leonard has
literally not said anything to anybody. We we haven't overreacted
to what he's done, which is he's accused the Spurs
or his people have accused the Spurs doctors basically of malpractice.
(22:24):
He has avoided being around his team during their most
trying times. He has forced a trade, and now after
forcing a trade, which is all we thought he asked
for with Gregg Popovich, you're not showing up to USA's
camp because he's getting ready to make a transition to Toronto.
(22:49):
I there's so much about Kawahi Leonard I I honestly
like my brother recruited him when he was at cal
Berkeley and thought they should have taken him. There was
a discussion within the staff as he was a center
when he was in high school, and the thought was, man,
at six ft six, could you play center, You'd have
to develop. I'm not really sure they passed. Sandy State
(23:10):
did not, and after two years he became a lottery pick,
and several years after that he became arguably the best
two way player in the NBA, probably the third best
player in the league when he's healthy. Like it's a
great story. There's been no baggage in terms of women, kids,
drugs abuse, none of that. But in in sports he
(23:37):
did when he had he had a year between the
end of this last season and his contract being up,
and so you have the power to force your hand
to force the team to trade you. But being passing
a physical and then no showing to Team USA when
(24:01):
it's coached by Greg Popovich, who did right by you,
not just trading you, but traded you to a good team, right.
They didn't send him to a team incent of the
Brooklyn Nets for a year. They didn't send him to
any sort of nondescriptive team that couldn't compete in the East.
They sent him to the team and the best record
in the East. They gave him an opportunity to compete
(24:21):
for whatever he wants to compete for. I mean, if
he wants to go to l A and go to
l A. They did right by him. They did right
by themselves. But they did right by him, right by him,
and and the reward to Gregg Popovitch is no show
to Teamsa's camp, which I would give a pass. And again,
(24:44):
like some of this, I'll give pass to Lebron. Why
Lebron playing the finals? Lebron played all eighty two games.
Lebron doesn't want to come to us as camp or
whoever some of these guys that played this season on fine,
But Kawhi Leonard, you played nine games. You can't show
up for a workout. I just if it was anybody else,
(25:05):
we'd be slaughtering him. So why aren't we slaughtering Kauai?
Is it because other guys that Paul George got hurt
in t Musa's workouts. Maybe is it because we have
no there's no bad feelings about Kauai because he hasn't
said and he literally hadn't said anything. You can't have
positive or negative. The only positive you can have is man,
he's a really really good player. Maybe, um, but all
(25:31):
of this stuff that he's done would not be getting.
He would not be treated with kid gloves if he
was almost anybody else. Go to any other star in
the NBA, and if they forced a trade and then
no show to t m USA's workouts after playing nine
games and being deemed by their new team to be
(25:53):
fully healthy, he'd be like, man, that guy sucks. I
hate that guy. I don't like that guy. Quiet let
me like, yeah, okay, he didn't really want to play
for Pop. I don't know. That's a that's an amazing pass.
We are giving him an amazing pass. Be sure to
catch live editions of The Doug gott Leaps Show weekdays
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(26:13):
and the I Heart Radio app. Tom Berduccio courses and
Emmy Award winner. His latest piece in Sports Illustrated is
The Star that still won't shine the incredible, unprecedented but
unseen greatness of Mike Try. Don't want to get to
that in a moment, but let's react to the most
recent news in Major League Baseball. Um to me, Tom,
(26:33):
this is the Yankees going all in. Uh. It's the
opposite of what they did two years ago when they
smartly moved away some of their older pieces, tax retired,
they forced a Rod into retirement, and they played their
younger players only to get them back get competitive, far
quicker than they ever could have thought. What does this
do in terms of the pecking order in the American
League when they add an arm like Zach Britten in
(26:54):
the back end of that bullpen. Well, listen, in the
perfect world, Doug, the Yankees would go out and get
this year's Usin Verlander and fortify that rotation. But there
is no Justin Verlander this year. So I know that
bullpen is historically good in terms of strikeouts, keeping the
ball out of play E r. A Is fantastic. Right. Uh.
They're making a strength even stronger with Britain, and you
(27:15):
know it gives them a lefty in front of Chapman.
Not that it matters too much. I mean to me,
they're right handers are so good to get lefty out anyway,
but it's another Look, it's another guy who can close games,
that experience of pitching in big spots. So listened also
that you know, this is not why the Yankees did it.
They love Britain, obviously, that's why they got them. But
keeps them, keep keeps him out of Boston, keep Houston, right, Yeah,
(27:39):
and listen, you're gonna have to go through at some
point one or both of those teams if you're the Yankees.
So it makes a lot of sense, you know. No,
I mean, like, look, Houston has everything except a defined
closer that you are scared of, right, I mean, the
arms are unbelievable. They're throwing out the rotation. But playoffs
so oftentimes have been decided by who closes things out
and not who's now who starts things and this is
(27:59):
a will in for him? Right? Did they get another
arm to have the best bullpen in baseball, especially even
the postseason when bullpens matter. But maybe more than anything,
it's it's like the Broncos when they got West Welker
away from the Patriots. Sure, they only got one year
away from buddy got him away from New England and
kept him from anybody else in the a f C.
It does. What do they give up in terms of
all the pictures? Was anybody good that was given up
(28:20):
in return? Yeah, Dylan Tate was a guy they actually
they picked up from Texas and Carlos Beltron deal a
couple of years ago. He was a long time ago.
He was the fourth overall pick in the draft. Big arms,
slowly developed, but put his putting together a really good year.
The thing with the Yankees jug is is they're in
a forty man roster crunch that's gonna come this winter,
(28:42):
and Tate was one of those guys. You can say,
Clint Fraser is another one of those guys, Wade Taylor.
They have basically too many good players for a forty
man roster. So they with this deal, and I think
they still have another deal coming or that Jay Half
or something else. They'll continue to move these guys who
are major league quality players who just don't have, you know,
(29:02):
the bandwidth on the Yankee used to find a place
on the roster. Fascinating stuff. What about starting arms? Who's
the best starting arm that would be available to a
team like the Yankees. I think it's Jay hap. I
know he hasn't been great the last four or five starts,
but you know, he's a guy who doesn't give up
many home runs. He's pitched well against the Red Sox,
(29:23):
He's pitched well in New York. He's an older guy,
He's been durable. There's not a lot of questions with
Jay Happ in terms of, you know, like with Sonny
Gray last year, how is he gonna fit in New York,
how is he gonna fit into a pennant race? Uh.
A pretty solid guy, not a difference maker. But you
have to remember this, Doug. There is basically a two
month playoff going on right now. I know we all
(29:44):
like to look at these teams and how they look
in October and the deals they make now, but the
Yankees are in a playoff right now with Boston to
stay out of that wild Card game. And they have
ten more games with Boston, starting with the series next
week and ending with the last three of the year.
They have to win games between now and Octo over
and I think, you know, with her mom kind of
hitting a wall there and and some of the problems
(30:05):
that's Gray as heads and I could pitch great last night,
but he's been up and down. I think fortifying that
rotation makes a lot of sense for them, whether it's
a guy like Lance Lynn or whether it's um, you know,
Kevin Gosman from Baltimore. If they could doing Bundy from Baltimore.
But Jay have to me, I think you'll see him
get moving the next couple of days. And maybe it's
the Yankees. Okay, what about Houston and their bullpen? A
(30:27):
j Hints joined us. We talked yesterday about the I
mean the numbers. The batting average against is like two eleven.
In comparison, I think the next coast is like Boston
with two thirty six. I mean, their starters are amazing,
but you know who's going to close that door that
the Giles thing doesn't not appear to be working. Um,
there's some other options back there. They spent a lot
of money in the bullpen in the off season. Is
(30:48):
there somebody that they can go that they can go do? Yeah?
I think both those guys are gone now and it's
Brad Hand and Zach Britton. It's funny when you look
at the overall umbers of the Houston bullpen, they're really,
really good actually, but you know, having that one trusted
guy at the back end they don't have. It's not
gonna be Giles. It's not gonna be the answer. You know.
(31:10):
Maybe that guy's mccullars. You know, I personally wouldn't have
any issue with that. I mean, the guy's got ice
in his veins, He's got that curveball that people just
don't hit. I think he could be a closer. They
certainly can match it like they did last year. Morton
and Peacock both closed games when they had to last year.
Is it a need? I think it's a need. Is
an urgent need? I would say no, based on the
(31:32):
fact that you're not going to use all five starters
in the postseason, and there's a way you can. You
can map this thing out with one of your starters
in the pen, and I think it could be mccullar's. Uh.
Tom Ferducci, Emmy Award winning broadcaster for Fox Sports joining
us also Emill be Network joins Doug Gotlam show Fox
Sports Radio. Let's go to the National League where Justin
Turner hurt again, but the good news is they have
(31:54):
Manny Machado. What are your thoughts on the Dodgers as
we had closer and closer to the trade deadline. Man,
this this was a fit. As soon as Corey segro
went down, you know, I was calling Machado to the Dodgers.
It's just too good of a fit. It was all
along just as a rental property. Uh, he's not going
to resign with the Dodgers. But you know the Dodgers,
(32:14):
as you know, they have to win the World Series.
Getting there was great. They've been in the postseason here,
but it's been the longest en franchise history since they
actually won the darn thing. And to me watching Houston
last year, and as great as the starting pitching was,
I saw a lot of guys in that line up,
starting with Jose Alto, they who could hit good pitching.
I'll never forget there was a game against the Yankees
(32:35):
in that series where Al two they got hits on
high fastballs on both Chad Green and enrolled as Chapman,
and I can tell you the Yankees went, WHOA. Not
that they didn't know that guy was good, but nobody
could hit the high fastballs of those guys. That's what
you need, not just bullpens. We talked so much about
that guys who hit good pitching, that's Manny Machado. These days,
(32:56):
I measure guys by how they hit relief pitching, because
relief pitching is just so darned good. You don't get
the platoon matchup in your favor. When you're a hitter,
you're gonna see a guy right on right, left on left,
with just nasty stuff. Machado hits relief pitching. He's one
of the top ten in all of baseball. I think
the impact he's going to make, Yeah, he's gonna make
it now. I think it's gonna be really big in October.
(33:16):
I do. I do too. Are they done? Are they
done shopping? Here's the issue the Dodgers, I think, in
a perfect world, would love one of those right handed
power pitching strikeout relief guys right but they're kind of
up against it in terms of the competitive balance tax,
so it would have to be And they're great at
doing this, finding an under the radar big arm that
(33:38):
plays up. You know. It worked out great for them
last year as Brandon Morrow came in on a on
a minor league deal. Uh. This year, Scotty Alexander has
done a great job for them from the left side.
I think one more arm like that in a perfect
world for the Dodgers. Yeah, they're like and I think
the find one. Uh. It may not be a big
name everybody knows about, but they've been so good at
(33:58):
finding guys who are a little it under the radar,
maybe just with one particular pitch that doesn't expose too
much um and they're catching and pitching staff does a
great job with game planning. I think they'll come up
with another arm. Tune into Yankees Red Sox next week
Thursday and Friday on MLB Network. I believe that's the
fifty three and fifty fourth time that they'll meet this season,
or at least seems that way down Ducci Verrnucci joins
(34:22):
us in the Doug Gottlieb Show. All Right, so your
piece on on Mike Trout. The title is the star
that won't that still won't shine the incredible, unprecedented, unseen
greatness of Mike Trout. Uh. This is a fascinating discussion
I want to have with you, maybe because we haven't
had it with the commissioner. How the league react you
talked to you're in clubhouses. One of the reasons that
(34:43):
you've become great at What you do is you don't
just call games, don't just write about games. You go
to places, you talk to people within the game. What
was their reaction to what the Commissioner of Baseball said, essentially,
Colin Mike Trout out for not really trying to promote
his and Baseball's brand. Well, the Angels were ticked off
(35:04):
because listen, the commissioner was replying to a question. But
I think he went someplace. Maybe he didn't intend to,
but certainly the way the Angels didn't want him to.
And that's basically talking about what Mike Trout does with
his free time. And you got the impression from Rob
Manford that he thinks that Mike Trout should be doing
more to sell the game in his free time. I mean,
(35:24):
you know, Mike Trout, He's not that kind of a guy.
He's not a self promoter. You know, he's everything. I
call him Baseball's best asset because as a role model
and as a just a performer, I think it's unbelievable.
I mean, as a star player, Mike is out there
literally before every game, signing for kids, especially kids, but anybody,
but especially kids. He's always got a smile on his face.
(35:45):
He plays the game hard, he plays it better than
anybody else. He's the undisputed best player in baseball. That
should be something, and they'll be ken market. Now. What
they're saying is, hey, we need Mike's help to make
this thing. To Mike, Mike Trout's brand, so to speak,
bigger Doug. I don't think Mike Trout is interested in
his so called brand, right. I don't think he's a
(36:07):
brand builder. I think he's a baseball player. And the
reason that he's not more popular so to speak, or
known is the fact that the Angels have never won
a playoff game since he put the uniform on. Four
teams have won a playoff games since Mike trout debut.
The Angels are not one of those twenty four and
would be truly a big star in baseball. Where you're
in commercial is not wearing a uniform like David Ortiz
(36:30):
or Derek Jeter or Buster Posey. You have to get
to the World Series, and most likely when the World Series.
That's just the way baseball operates. It's incredibly strong regionally,
but to be a national start, you have to be
on the national stage and win the darn championships and unfortunately,
the Angels haven't gotten close with Mike Trout. That's but
I don't I don't even I don't even know. Look
(36:51):
do I think do I think that part of it
is they haven't won in the playoffs? You've gotten they
got the playoffs once with him. I think that's part
of it. I also think part of it is part
of his baseball right, like who is a transcendent star
in baseball? Now, Look, the Yankees are a little bit
different and Aaron Judge, but you know, and Aaron Judge
(37:12):
in win a World Series, and Aaron Judge is a
huge name, but he's a hugely because he's Yankee. Some
of this comes from the fact he's he's an angel,
some because the fact that they have Angels haven't won
in the playoffs. Some of it comes from the fact
that it's baseball, and some of it comes from the
fact that he's just not an angel. Like Mookie Bets
is a great player having an incredible season, Mookie Bets
(37:32):
a household name. I think the answer is no. Now, obviously,
the differences you got like seven years of incredible success
for Trout and he's widely regarded as the best player
in baseball, maybe by a mile. But I I some
of this to me should be baseball looking itself in
the mirror. Like he does social media. He does good work,
he has great energy when he comes to the ballpark
as you as you pointed out, like the rest isn't
(37:54):
really his job to build a brand. I'm not sure
who's brand in baseball is all that strong to begin with. Yeah,
I mean the way I look at it again is
take the uniform off somebody. Is he recognizable by casual fan?
And if you dropped that list for baseball players, I'll
probably give you Bryce Harper, right he I say, he's
a national brand that's known even if you're not a
(38:16):
hardcore baseball fan. Beyond that, who you got a bunch
of retired players. But in terms of active players, it
is hard to build. You know, the game is such
a team game, as you know, and in a lot
of ways, the individual style of players that actually has
been tamped down over the years. That's just the way
baseball has been. I think that's starting to loose it up.
(38:36):
I think we're getting past the age where if you
you know, it's a sacrilege to flip your bat Thankfully,
we're getting beyond that. So I think players are starting
to show a little more style. We saw some of
that in the All Star Game, or we actually heard
from some of those guys, which is great, but we
need more of that, and I think it's starting to change,
but it's changing slowly as things doing. Baseball. Um is there.
(38:58):
I'm like, obviously you mentioned the Angels were ticked. They
put out a press release the type of which baseball
teams never any sports franchise never puts out, actually ever
puts out. Um, they're paying him thirty three million, they
got him under contract till two thousand twenty. But I
mean and the Angels they have Otani, although we don't
know what his status would be when they figure out
(39:20):
his elbow in the off season, Like, there has to
be a ton a ton of fear in our Morino's
office over the fact that at some point he throws
up his arms and says, fellas, I love you. I've
gotten made a lot of money here, but I'm gonna
have to go east for baseball matters. Yeah. I think
it would scare them because listen, who knows what's going
to happen with Otani? If eventually he does need the
(39:41):
surgery on his elbow. Um, you know that's gonna put
him out all of next year. That means really only
one full year where Otani and Trout can play together. Um.
Albert Bools is under contract of the Angels right now
for a longer period of time than Mike Trout. You
don't think about that, Lisen. They tried this year and
they were incredible, really unlucky with injuries. I mean, unlike
(40:02):
I guess anybody other than the Mets. It's been just
a disaster pitching wise with injuries for the Angels. Um.
But over these eight years, they definitely haven't really surrounded.
They haven't made the most an opportunity to have essentially
the Mickey Mantle of our generation in the postseason. And
that's on the Angels, not on Mike Trout. But yes,
I think you have to fear if you're the Angels
(40:24):
that if you don't show Mike Trout you are ready,
I mean seriously ready to win, not just you know,
hope and prayer we get into the postseason for the
first round of the playoffs. I'm talking about winning a championship. Yeah,
it's it's got to scare the pants off him, that
he would head back home somewhere. Great stuff. Tom Emmy
Award winner, Tom Verducci, Yankees, Red Sox upcoming next Thursday
(40:48):
and Friday on the MLB Network. Thanks so much, Tom,
always fun. Thanks Doug,
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