July 26, 2018 • 50 mins
Doug tells you why the CJ McCollum and Kevin Durant feud might not be real but there could be real consequences because of it. He also thinks it's time for Carmelo Anthony to start taking responsibility for what went wrong with the Thunder. Plus former NFL RB DeMarco Murray joins the show to talk about retiring from the NFL, where his former teammate Dez Bryant might end up, and how his former QB Marcus Mariota can improve.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the best of the Doug Gottlieb Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Boom Up America. Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox
Sports Radio, coming to you from the beautiful sunny city
of Los Angeles. Keeping an eye on the Cubs, sticking
on the Diamondbacks as the Cubs are getting closer and
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closer to making a massive trade to possibly land Cole Hamiles.
Talk some baseball upcoming in the show. We've already had
an acquisition by the Astros in division trade Astros and Angels,
and we're getting closer and close to trade deadline. This
stuff is getting interesting, super interesting. Um NFL news about
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Julio Jones is in camp, got a little bit of money.
Is that good news or bad news for Atlanta Falcons
will discuss. Plus Carson Wentz with one of the all
time lines, which everybody laughs at. Everybody giggles that, and
then you're like, mm okay, we got the Tampa Bay
News to discuss in which not a surprise, Ryan Fitzpatrick
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once a kids got that. I mean you, if you're
a starting quarterback and Ryan Fitzpatrick is your backup, something
bad is going to happen at some point in time.
My go look at his career, whether it was Buffalo
or Cincinnati or Houston or the Jets or like he
has just gotten it's it's amazing some guys, some of
these guys are in the league as backups forever and
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you're like, man, I totally forgot that was that human
being still existed. Not Fitzpatrick. He always seems to find
a way to start a game or two. Um, but
I want to start with beef. In the NBA, nothing
is better than NBA Basketball Twitter Beef. So here's what
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happened yesterday. Cege McCollum has come on this show before.
It's one of the young stars for the Portland Trailblazers.
When he came on, it was great. Um. A friend
of mine, a former team in of mine. Antony Weish
was his assistant coach at Lehigh. I've known c J
for a long time. I know him to be a
great dude and a guy who eventually wants to get
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into the media and like as as you have. There
are other NBA players who have their own j. J.
Reddick has a really good podcast. There are others as well.
Guys like to kind of do their own thing. He
wanted to promote his own podcast, and he did so
coming on our show. His podcast is called Pull Up.
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He had Kevin Durant on it. Now here's what we're
gonna do. We're gonna play for you part of the discussion,
and then we'll take you through the twitter beef that
followed last night that everybody's talking about. Here's c J
McCullum and Kevin Durant and here's a warning for you.
They have both appeared to be eating while recording this podcast.
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Have I occasionally eaten or drank something on the air, Yes,
but in the story behind the beef all share we you.
But one of the things I should also share is,
like c J k D when you recorded podcast, can't
be eating during it. Take a listen. So what do
you suggest? Suggest you just just keep playing, man and
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don't worry about what goes on at the top of things.
Were right there at the top of things the third
last year, but we just right there were just slightly
below one and two. How did you play unfortunate situations
happened in the first round? Did you play my unfortunate
circumstances like a seed in the Western Conference? I gotta
play you all the time. Anyway, as it is over
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and over again. We didn't got eliminated by y'all a
few times in the first round. So I'm gonna I mean,
you know, you know, you know, you guys aren't going
in the championship. Bro. We have the team, we have
anything that's possible. We can't win a championship. Having listened
to the entire conversation, it wasn't as much about Kevin
Durant leaving Oklahoma City and going to the Warriors as
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it was about DeMarcus Cousins signing as a free agent.
And I thought Kevin Durant made a great point. He
made a great points, like, look, he's a free agent.
You guys could have signed him, but you don't want
to sign him because you got Nurkics. Mccullums said, well,
you know we could have for five point three million dollars,
we could add both of them. And he's like, now
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you couldn't have. Like there's this, there's this widespread panic
around the NBA over DeMarcus Cousins, who's a former All Star,
the reality of which he probably is not ready to February,
maybe not till March. It eliminates half the teams in
the West I don't want to have him because they've
either had him before or they're trying to be bad,
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and the teams are trying to be good many of
them need him to play during the regular season, and
other teams that don't need him, or other teams that
do need him and wouldn't need him during the October, November, December, January,
and February. They already have a big guy like the
Nuggets don't need him. The Pelicans had him, didn't want
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him back back. DeAndre Jordan's is with the Dallas Mavericks.
The Houston Rockets could have signed him, but they want
Clint Cappella. They're just negotiating with Clint Cappella like other teams.
How does this idea that DeMarcus Cousins somehow tips it
so far in the scales of the Warriors. If he
was so incredible one, why didn't somebody run blocker right?
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That's what the Yankees did acquiring Zach Britton. Do they
need Zach Britton? No? Could they use him? Sure, but
getting Zach Britton kept the Astros from getting him and
the Red Socks from getting him. It's smart. No one
did that in the West, keeping DeMarcus Cousins from additionally,
though other teams just don't need him. So what happened
was the podcast drops and uh suddenly C J. McCullum
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gets questioned about the move by Kevin Durant to go
from Oklahoma City to the Warriors, and he uses an
analogy to Its analogous to a gang fight where a
guy and his brother get jumped, lose the fight, and
instead of getting tougher and getting better and beating up
the guys who beat him up, he joins the gang
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that beat him up. Kevin Durant reads this, sends out
his own tweet and says, wait, so in this analogy,
I I'm in two months with my brother and then
I leave my brother only to beat up my brother
calls a misnake in the grass, and then of course
has has a smile about it all on Twitter. This
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becomes Twitter beef. But I I think people are missing,
really missing what's at the heart of this. You want
to know what it is. One of the hardest things
you're gonna do. If you're gonna host a podcast, you
can host a radio show. You know it's the TV show.
He's not only give your opinion, but sometimes you're gonna
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have to give a negative opinion. And when you give
that negative opinion, occasionally that person you gave a negative
opinion about, you're gonna have to cover or you're gonna
have to interview. And if you don't have that stuff
in you, if you're not willing to step foot in
the locker room or to have that conversation, then you
might not be cut out for the opinion business. It's okay,
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it's not for everybody. Think about this for a second.
On Twitter, c J McCollums said, I thought the move
was kind of soft, right. That's Kevin Durant leaving the
leaving the thunder to go to the Wars. That's a
word that has been used by Stephen A. Smith, been
used by others. It's obviously kind of part of the
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narrative in the NBA because NBA guys are a lot
like you and me in that. Have you ever noticed
everyone who grows up No one grew up with money.
Everyone grew up poor, and it becomes top or to
just how poor and how bad their life was when
they were younger. It's not that some people didn't grow
up poor, but everybody grew up poor. That seems merely,
that seems impossible. Oh you think you had it bad.
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We had no shoes, you had no shoes. We had
to walk on our hands, hands, had to walk in
our elbows. Right, that's how it is in the NBA.
Everybody wants to be tough. Everybody wants to have started
with nothing. You know, it's the old Drake started from
the bottom. Now we're here, we got You want to
start with nothing and then somehow build organically within and
that's the only way to show real toughness. It's not
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that c. J. McCollum can't have the opinion that Kevin
Durance move from Oklahoma City to Oakland and the Golden
State Warriors would want a championship, then won seventy three
games and lost in the NBA finals. Isn't soft he is,
especially as an NBA player and a really good one,
he has the right to have that opinion. The problem
with it is he didn't have that opinion when Kevin
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Durant was recording a podcast with him. Right, that is
twitter tough guy, one oh one. That is That is
the hardest part about the opinion business in broadcasting is Hey, dude,
you can call whoever you want out, but when you
interview him, you gotta have to find a way to
work that in the conversation because you damn well better
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be or that they know what you said. And in
this case, it's even worse because he said it after
the point I'm not just on Kevin Durant's team, because
if you listen to Kevin Durant, there's a matter of
fact way in which he said, you guys like you
didn't really have a chance to win a championship. You
know that, And he said, like, why would you let
any of our acquisitions, our team bother you? Why does
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that affect you? He actually made some really good points,
and he did point out that you guys could have
had to Marcus Cousins, you didn't offer him, and you
probably don't need him because you have Nurkics. But the
best point that was made is, I just did your podcast.
You never brought up the fact that you thought I
was soft for leaving the Thunder, and now you're gonna
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bring it up on Twitter right after we record a podcast.
That is the softest, weakest of the broadcasting genre. It
just is so rich. Kleiman through Jordan's Schultz, who covers
the NBA for Yahoo Sports, said there's no beef. They
are friends. I do think they're friends, but I also
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think I don't think I know that. If there is
a beef, it's just this with Kevin Durant. Hey, look,
we're friends. I agree to come on your podcast. We
can talk about anything. But talking about anything means if
you think my move from from Oakland to from Oklahoma
City to Oakland was soft, you gotta say that when
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we're face to face. You gotta give me a chance
to have a rightful retort, not too big cat on Twitter.
That ain't fair, that ain't right, That's not how anybody
would like to roll. Be sure to catch live editions
of the Doug gott Leaps Show weekdays at three p m.
Eastern noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I
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Heart Radio app. Chris Simms, former NFL quarterback starting quarterback
with the Tampay Buccaneers, kind of joined us here. As
training camps are underway, holdouts are continuing on for guys
like Aaron Donald, for guys like Julio Jones, the lasted
just one day. Let me ask you, Chris, thanks so
much for joining US football seasons back. I know yours
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geeked up as I am, and you do incredible work
throughout the fall and the winner covering it. Um alright,
So Julio Jones, it's it's all one day, and I
don't think anyone would dispute he's an awesome player. His
contract would be actually look at it, like, look, it
was a front loaded deal, a long term deal to
which he was probably overpaid, overcompensated early on and then
and then you knew a dip. But it's not like
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it's not like he's making two million making like ten
or something. They moved two million dollars from next year
round to this year to give him a little bit
bigger guarantee, a little bit bigger bump, and all's right
with the world. What's the pressing like in an NFL
locker room? Is now every guy who has a good run,
that's got a couple of years left in their deal,
does everybody go in and ask for a new deal?
Or is it different because it's Julio. Yeah, and you
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right at the end, it's different because it's Julio. There's
a set a different set of rules and hierarchy in
an NFL locker room, and players realize that they realized
that juli O Jones, Matt Ryan, DeVante Freeman, those type
of players they're gonna get away with things within the
organization that some of the other guys who are trying
to make their way into the team or roster are
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not going to get away with. And also, listen, Doug,
you just said it. I know it. Everybody and their
mother knows it. Julio Jones is one of the best
three best receivers in football. That's not a discussion. And
he's outplayed his contract and I have no problem with
him asking for more money to get compensated fairly. You
know why, you know I what I pushed back is
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I don't understand the backlash sometimes about NFL players asking
for more money when guys like Kevin Love and Basketball
just then a four year, hundred and thirty million dollar
deal and he's not one of the thirty best players
in the NBA. But here we got a football players
in the top ten in the NFL, and we want
to get mad that he wants a little bit more money.
And that drives me crazy. Yeah, I look, but you're
you're comparing different businesses right, I know, I am, I know,
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I mean so so like, look, Albert fool has placed
for the Angels. He's wildly overpaid and he's actually under
contract longer and for more money than Mike trout Is.
But again, it's a it's a different business, is a
different scale. It's it's doctors complaining about lawyers and how
much lawyers make per hour as opposed to doctors haven't fight,
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you know, the insurance company for their pay. Right, So
it is it is a little bit different. Um, what
what about the Falcons um this year? Like they were
a team that seemed to struggle with Stark's offense in
comparison to what they had previously. But at the end
of the year it did start to click some which
Falcons are they? Are they end of the year Falcons
or are they really going to be up and down
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because sark style just doesn't fit with what they have.
I think it's gonna be a little bit more towards
what we saw at the end of the year. I mean, listen,
it's not it's never easy to lose a guy like
Kyle Shanahan, who's one of the best offensive game plan
designers in football for the last eight to ten years,
so your team is going to take a hit. Sarkesian,
I think had to make an adjustment to the NFL life. Uh,
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you know, it's a different game than college football. But
I think that team is still extremely talented. They're in
their prime. And yes, I do think Steve Sarkisian showed
me enough towards the end of the year that he
is smart enough to mix things up, change things up,
and keep deep at the coordinators on edge with week
to week game plans. I don't want to ask you, Uh,
ESPN folks, they had they have their their quarterback tiers.
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I don't know if you saw they had Cam Newton
second tier, but they hadn't like is the eleventh rated quarterback?
What what's your what's your eval of Cam Newton? Who?
There's another guy? He started really slow last year, you know,
coming off surgery and uh had some great moments, but
had a lot of inaccurate moments. As Par has been
the carse for his career. What's your thoughts on the
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level of eliteness if you will, I don't even know
if that's a word with Cam Newton. Yeah, I think
you know, I look at it and go I think
eleven is a little low. I really do. Now. Yes,
I understand that Cam Newton didn't start the year off
great last year, but yes, he was recovering from shoulder surgery,
uh in dealing with that, and you know he missed
them throws early on that you know, we haven't even
seen him miss or or a normal NFL quarterback would
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would miss. But I think what's all said and done
once he got completely healthy and comfortable within the flow
of the game again, uh man, Cam Newton is one
of the ten best quarterbacks in football for my money,
I mean and and the thing where I pushed back
against people, Doug is the stats can't quantify what Cam
Newton does for a football team. You know, think about
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how they play games. It's run the ball. It's run
the ball, and then it's oh hey, it's third and fifteen. Cam,
can you sit back there for seven seconds and throw
a thirty yard missile down the field with seven people
around you because our offensive line is that good? Or
it's thart in three and they go, hey, Cam, can
you just smash it up the middle and do something
that no other quarterback in the history of football has done.
So that's the greatness of Cam Newton. Guys like Cam
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Newton and Russell Wilson, with their ability to run to
it changes defenses, it makes them game plan for them specifically,
and that's some of the greatness that can bring to
the table as well. How would you handle the Deshaun
Watson thing? And and by Deshaun Watson thing, it's twofold one.
Obviously he exploded on the scene when he was named
starting quarterback last year, but it was an offense that
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was more kind of college offense, right, and there's the
thought that people will do will catch up to it. Also,
this is his second a c L injury and part
of that offense is moving him around and it puts
him in harm's way. How would you how would you
help him evolve as a quiporate? Will you continue, Hey,
look this the offense that he works in. This is
what we're gonna be and just and just assume the
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NFL is going to become a place to where that
will work long term or do you do you want
him to evolve the way that For example, the Redskins
and I think he's better than r G three, but
the Redskins wanted r G three to evolve as he
grew into the position. Yes, well, this is a different
person in RG three. I mean, you know, without really
being able to tiptoe around this the answer, you know,
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Deshaun Watson's humble. He realizes he doesn't have every answer
in the world. RG three wanted to tell Mike Shanahan
and the Shannon and family how to run the Redskins
along with Dan Snyder. So I do think this is
a guy that uh understands the changes that need to
be made in the you know, for him to survive
in the NFL. But I don't think his game is
gonna change a whole lot. I think that just early
on in the season preseason, the coaches need to be
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careful with him. Saved him for himself. But he'll learn
the way to play and keep himself out of harm's way.
And hopefully he saw what Carson Wentz did last year
and he goes, well, I can't be doing that or
I won't survive either. But I also will say this,
I think that the Shawn Watson could be I would
not be shocked two years from now we're going to
Shawn Watson's the best quarterback in football. I think he
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has that type of potential. And I think now that uh,
they have a full offseason to see what the Shawn
Watson was capable of, you're gonna see a different offense.
You've heard Bill O'Brien's already commented about it that you
know they're tinkering in the lab a little bit this
year because they know they can do things with him
that you can't ask other quarterbacks to do. And and
Bill O'Briant has never had this type of quarterback to
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play with. Really, I think you could say the same
thing for Andy Reid since he's been a head coach, right,
Like he probably had it when he's in Green Bay
with far Pat Mahomes has some crazy arm talent, crazy right,
And and I mean, look we saw in the preseason,
we saw Week seventeen, and I think they overpaid Sammy Watkins,
But I at least get it. Like you got Tyreek
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Hills Burner, you got Travis Kelsey take away the middle
of the field. You got Sammy Watkins, who I think
can can you know, can can be a little bit
more of a possession type of guy. Um. But but
but it's a complete You've done this, it's a completely
different deal. When you are the starter, you're not the
rookie who gets to come in and nobody has a
scattered report on you. What's this year gonna be like
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for Pat Mahomes in Kansas City. I think you'll see
a few dumb you know, dumb mistakes, bumps, bumps in
the road. Certainly, he's young. I have been around this
kid in person a little bit. I mean, he's very impressive.
Everything I've heard from players on that team say he's smart.
He takes coaching. Uh, will it take a little while
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for him to get used to like a Brett Farve
or some of the other strong long quarterbacks we've seen
through through history. Will take him a little while to
realize what windows he can fit it into and which
ones he can Yes, I think there's gonna be some
of those issues. But again, you know, this is a guy.
He threw forty one touchdowns and tenor interceptions at Texas Tech.
He's not as reckless with the football as everybody tries
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to make it to be. He has big time talent.
He's another guy that I look at and go, yeah,
it's Brett Farve. It's Aaron roger ish type of talent.
This guy has and with that offense, like you said,
what do you defend? But Sammy Watkins signing, totally agree
with you. They overpaid him. But man, are they gonna
put people in binds and going, well, who do you
want to double? Or you're gonna leave Tyreek Kill one
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on one, or you're gonna leave Travis Kelsey one on one,
or even Sammy Watkins. And now you have a quarterback
that is phenomenal at throwing the ball down the field.
It's really gonna make them a fun and exciting football team.
There's some talent obviously with the l A Rams, but
some of that is the McVeigh that you point out,
incredible play caller, right, Um, teams adjust because that one
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feels like it could that could be a super Bowl team,
or that could be a team that's a disaster with
so many of those um really interesting personalities that they
brought in, more specifically on the defensive side of the football.
What are your thoughts on how the league adjust to
the Rams. Now they've seen golf and they've seen McVeigh
an entire trip around. I think that the first thing
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I think of is McVeigh. It doesn't matter if you've
got a trip around the block and seen him. He
is ever evolving. He is like a Kyle Shanahan or
a Josh McDaniels up in New England. Sean Payton, You're
never gonna have a beat on them because they're always
gonna bring new things week to week to the game
plan plays. You haven't seen formations, So that's their greatness.
So I don't think that anybody's really gonna catch up
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to the McVeigh system. I think the Rams are still
gonna be a very good football team, uh. And I
think there a playoff team without a doubt. And I
understand the questions about the personalities, but I guess my
take is this, I know Sean McVeigh, you know what
Wade Phillips says, And there are two guys that understand people.
They have great people skills, and they understand how to
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lead uh different personality styles. And I don't think it's
going to be a problem. I would say it's a
problem in most places, but I don't think it will
be a problem because of those two guys right there.
What would your dad have said if during your first
year as a starting quarterback? And by the way, Christim's
joining us from NBC Sports and from Bleacher Report. Happily
married man, a couple of kids. So this isn't you.
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But if it was you, your starting quarterback, and you're
spotted at a restaurant dating a well known porn star,
how would that go over at the Sims house? My dad,
he'd probably be like, well, Christopher, what were you doing?
You know, he'd have fun, he would let me go.
He'd probably go back, you know, to be careful, Christopher,
you know, don't be a distraction to the team. You know,
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you're still the quarterback. You still got to be a
leader out there. That would be the kind of talk
I get. But he tried not to butt into my
personal life too much. Is it a big deal? No,
I do not think it's a big deal at all.
I mean, this is a young guy still, he's twenty
six years old, and uh, he's having a little fun.
I think he's just realizing. He doesn't realize that he's
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under such a microscope at this point, and within the
NFL locker room, nobody's inna care. He's gonna get made
fun of a little this week. And I wouldn't be
surprised if like a you know, a coach puts a
picture of this girl on the board and it's like, hey,
I mean this is what Jimmy ge was doing the
last few weeks. We're not sure if he's focused on football.
They're gonna have fun with that. But I don't think
anybody's gonna go overboard with it. And I could be
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crazy to think this. Does this give him a little
swag with some of the dudes. I do think so, yeah, yeah,
you know, quarterbacks are like they always get Pigeonholed is like, oh,
they like these, you know, all American model type girls.
You know, this is gonna get him some credit in
the in the locker room where they're like, wow, you
like full figured women and all that. That's it's certainly
gonna give him some credit in the street, cred in
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the locker room. Okay, So, so Brady has got the
dad Bob going, but Brady Brady still Brady. On the
other hand, you're not gonna have Edelman. And look, I'm
not concerned it all about there about the a f
C East, but there it seems like they're just throwing
a bunch of numbers, a bunch of guys out there
to see you know who else they can work with.
What do you think about the reformation of that wide
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receiving corps around Gronk? I really I don't have many
issues with it. You know, this is a a coaching staff,
a quarterback that I have so much confidence in, and
they don't do anything without thinking about it thoroughly before
they do it. So there is a game plan up there.
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They knew about this Edelman thing for a long long time.
Uh so they were aware of it. And this is
New England. There the master game planners, there's it's it's
every day is grind away And I'm not concerned with
the overall weapons. And I do think that maybe you know,
within the draft to you go, maybe they're changing the
theme of their team a little bit. They've realized, Okay,
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that's the end of Tom Brady's career. Maybe we need
to be able to run the football a little bit more,
be a little more balanced on the offensive side of
the ball. And that's why they dropped the tackle out
of George Isaiah Win and Sony Michelle at the end
of the first round, because they might want to change
your style a little bit. Um. You've been in New England,
you've worked in that you've worked in that organization. There
there is a narrative out there that players demand answers
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for why Malcolm Butler was bench. Now Malcolm Butler's is elsewhere,
and that's that's forever going to have a lasting kind
of tarnish on the end of of Tom Brady's crew.
That's why Tom Brady didn't show up to O T A. S.
That's why there's this standoff with with Gronk. What's your
opinion on how much carry over there is from the
Malcolm Butler benching into this season. I think there's gonna
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be some guys that are on the team last year
that they're still gonna be annoyed about it and still
want answers. I don't think Bill Belichick is going to
address the situation until he feels like there's enough clamoring
within the locker room and in meeting rooms that people
are still actually angry about it. Then he might address
the football team and let them know what really went
on there. But let's not get it mixed up. There's
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only one man in charge there in New England. It
is Bill Belichick. They don't argue with him a whole lot.
Tom Brady is the only one with real power in
that organization because of his friendship with with Robert Craft.
I do think there was a legitimate riff between Brady
and Belichick, not only with you know, the Malcolm Butler thing.
I think that Jimmy Garoppolo thing. I think there's a
few other things there. But I don't think they're gonna
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miss a bit beat. I still think they're the cream
of the crop in the a f C. And uh,
you know, at the end of the day, I just
have tremendous faith having worked there and knowing those people
that they're gonna stay to the formula that always makes
them successful, which is go to work every day, take
every day one day at the time. All the cliches
I promise you they live by. Do you believe Baker
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Mayfield doesn't see the field that that's what John Dorsey's
selling us. Hey, look, he comes from Kansas City. We
talked about mahomes. We didn't see my homes until weeks seventeen.
They got Tyrod Taylor. He's even trying to sell his
backup and will us We're going to develop Baker Mayfield.
Do you buy that? I do buy it. I think
that's truly what they want to do. They want to
make sure it works for bay Er Mayfield because it's
a huge pick for their own butts, right. I mean,
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John Dorsey drafted a quarterback with the number one pick
in the draft that's six one towns and runs a
four eight five. Those are some of the worst credentials
ever for the first pick of the draft. I'm not
trying to be a jerk. I like Baker Mayfield a
whole lot. I think also, what's what I've been saying
for the start. The problem Cleveland's gonna fall into is
guys are gonna go on the practice field and go,
huh Tyrod, Taylor's the same height as Baker Mayfield. And
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then they go, huh Tyrod, Taylor's faster than Baker Mayfield.
And they go, huh Tyrod, Taylor's arm is stronger than
Baker Mayfields. Why do we dropp Baker Mayfield Number one?
That's the issue they're gonna fall into throughout the year.
The players are and you already hear it. The players.
You can tell they're they're not overly impressed. I think
with Baker Mayfield maybe the person, but all the raving
on the field is about Tyrod Taylor No, and and
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he led the Bills to the playoffs last year even
after being bench. I mean, here's the guy who has
who has fought his way and earned his way to
being a starter. Like I think that that might be
the powder keg that people are are are not discussing enough.
Whereas I feel like that, I feel like the Baltimore
thing people are over discussing. I like the idea of
using Lar Jackson's slash as slowly integrating him using his explosiveness.
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How do you think that plays out? I do. I
think it's gonna play out kind of just the way
they're they're saying. I I know people in Baltimore. I
know that they're ultra impressed by Lamar Jackson and some
of the things he can do. But I know it's
also not perfect. I know there are inconsistent season throwing.
I know he's still not totally perfect of getting the
team in and out of the huddle when he's calling
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the plays as the quarterback. So those are things that
he'll continue to get better at. But I do think
you're gonna see him on the field a handful of
plays every game, and Baltimore is gonna keep everybody on
their peas and cues with creative plays and whatever that
may be. But I do think they're gonna find a
way to get Lamar Jackson on the field in some capacity,
get the ball in his hands. And the big thing, Doug,
I think you and I talked about this in the draft.
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I think getting him on the field, even if it
is a wide receiver, is gonna help him in the
future at the quarterback position. To be in the huddle
here Joe Flacco call the plays, to know what guys
make them hot, and he has to adjust his route.
All those things are gonna play into his development at
the quarterback position too, and I think will only help
him in the future. I totally agree. And I think
what's maybe most interesting is like he doesn't even he
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doesn't want to hear the world wide receivers. So they're like, no,
we're gonna have two quarterbacks on the field, like okay,
but he's out wide like a wide receiven know where
there's two quarterbacks there, just one just happens to not
be playing under center behind and one they'll just like
run by everybody in the NFL if he gets out
in the open so it will be fun. And Baltimore
is one of those teams I say watch out for
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because I do think they're one of the better teams
in the a f C if they stay healthy. And
they absolutely kicked away the playoffs. I should have been
in the playoffs last year and then they kicked it
away last thing. And I didn't prep you on this one. Uh,
Notre Dame Michigan. People are putting a lot of pressure
on Jim Harbaugh for this first game of the season. Um,
is Notre Dame good enough with Shaye Patterson a quarterback Michigan.
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Is Notre Dame good enough to beat Michigan that first
game of the season. I do. I think Notre Dame,
you know, everybody to talk about. First of all, they
lost Quintin Nelson and McGlinchey in the first round. I
can still tell you this, Notre Dame's offensive line is
still going to be one of the best in college football.
They still have good running backs that the Brandon Wooden
win Bushes is scary. The defense does have talent. Now
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they lost their defensive coordinator. But yes, that is gonna
be a tough game from Michigan. And I agree with
the centerment. This is one of the biggest games in
Jim Harbaugh's history. There's no doubt about that. I mean,
this is Michigan. He has yet to beat Ohio State.
He's yet to win a major bowl game. Uh and
they really haven't been in the national title conversation as
of yet. I like Jim Harbaugh, have a lot of
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respect for him. I do think he's a hair overrated.
People put him in the conversation with Urban Meyer and
Nick Saban. I'm gonna go wait, hold on, let's pump
and pump the brakes a little bit. Let's see if
you can win a championship first. So it is intriguing
in Michigan. Of course, this is what Hardbaugh's fifth year.
These are all his players or his fourth year, all
his players, and this defense should be stacked, should be stacked.
And now he's finally got an elite level quarterback. Chris
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great stuff. Can't wait to read some of it and
see some of it on Bleacher Report, Corsi on NBC
Sports and NBC Sports Radio. Appreciate you joined us here
on the Doug Gallup Show. One another one only. Chris Simms.
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Karmeno Anthony is doing the blame thing at the end
of the day talking about Oklahoma City wasn't a good fit.
I think last year. I I haven't talked about this before.
Everything was just so rushed. Going to the team for
media day the day before training camp. Them guys already
had something in place, and I come along at the
o s Only he didn't say, s mellow, just come
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on join us, like you can figure it out since
you've been around the game. So it's such a long time.
That's why it was so inconsistent. At times. I had
to figure out figured out on my own rather than
somebody over there or people over there helping me. I
didn't fit because they didn't help me and we didn't
have time. Now he could have gone the listen that
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one was all on me. Where people are gonna say, no,
you didn't have enough time. He could have given you
the where the reality of it is. The reality is,
was there a lack of time and preparation, probably, But
you did have eighty two games to work it out,
didn't you, Like, It's not like the NBA season, is
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the NFL season even a college football season. Right, it
sounds like it's like a ten game. It's eighty two
games over five six months. You did have training camp
with them, didn't you. So you had training camp, he
had the preseason, he had the regular season to get
you ready for the postseason. And you didn't think you
had enough time. Well, nobody over there helped me. Well,
(31:48):
they suggested you might want to come off the bench.
You wanted nothing to do with that. None of this
is about his ability to change, to evolve, two guard
somebody to move the basketball. To understand not just that
the NBA has evolved, that he has evolved, but he's
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playing in a different team to which there's a different
star structure, like none of that. And oh yeah, by
the way, while there isn't communicating or he thinks that
nobody on that team, try to communicate and help him.
If he's been in the game so long and he's
Karmelo Anthony and he's a future Hall of Famer, which
he is, can he open the lines of communication. H
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Here's a saying that I've I've had for a long time,
which is there's a couple of differences, Ramos, you can
attest to this between children and adults. Do you know
what they are? An adult would never turn down a nap. Ever,
you're tell an adult like, hey man, why don't you
get take a nap for an hour? Is there an
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adult in the world? Be like, no, I don't want
to take a nap. Be like a nap that sounds fantastic.
Now listen, I don't want the nap to be too
long because then I'm really Then I get more tired.
Could you just wake me up in minutes and I'll
feel refreshed? Right? An adult never turns down a nap
an adult. An adult will change the side order two
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vegetables from French fries. A child will never do that, right,
that's in a mature thing to do. And an adult,
I said, from vegetables of French fries. From French fries
to vegetables, I I apologize. An adult would order will
order vegetables, and adult would order a salad. Children don't
order salads. They're not a kid in the world. There's
not even salads on kids menus. They don't say they're
(33:38):
going on, Oh, I know it's pizza and there's chicken
fingers and there's sliders, I'd like a salad. There's no
kid in the world that does that. But you know
what else kids don't do. Kids don't ever point in words.
They don't ever say that's my bad, that's me. They
say Johnny did it, they say the teacher did it,
they say God did it, somebody else did it. They
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never said my bad. And Carmelo Anthony is not point
the finger inward. He's not willing to accept any sort
of blame. You know. However, I viewed my five years
at CBS UM some of the blame I had to have.
I had to adjust to their culture, understand what they wanted,
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ask more questions, be more willing to listen. And I've
done that at this place of work. I don't know
if it was success or failure, but if somebody asked me,
a little bit of both. But a lot of that's
on me. They've been doing what they've done for fifty years.
I came and went in five years. The Oklahoma City
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Thunders game plan mostly is, hey, we liked what we had.
We think we can get better, and the best way
to get better is to get rid of Carmelo Anthony.
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Eastern noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I
Heart Radio App. I fully understand that, um, that professional
sports is not like your work my work, and we
shouldn't try and equated as such. But I also know
human nature, right, It's like, why doesn't communism work? Doesn't
(35:36):
socialism work music? Why do you think socialism doesn't didn't
work for the Russians for example? It inhibits, Uh, innovation.
I don't think it inhibits innovation. Um, I don't know
if I would agree with that, but that's your opinion.
I would say, I like the idea of socialism is, hey,
everybody has a job, everybody's covered, right, everybody gets to
(36:00):
eat the same, and then you just go you go
into a field that you can specialize in. You just
go to work for the state, and you just do
the best you can. And if you just you just
be the best you you can, everybody's gonna eat the same.
What it inhibits is there is really no personal growth, right,
there has to be some sort of leadership, and those
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people who are leaders, they're going to get more than
the common answers inherent jealousy. And then there's the added
jealousy of wait, I'm great at my job. That guy's
crumbing at his job, and yet I'm making the exact
same amount of money. There's a human nature element to it.
You want to be rewarded financially and other in respect
wise for being better than somebody else. Right, a human
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nature to it. Julio Jones sat out all of one day.
They moved around some money, got two million dollars more upfront,
and all is right with the world. In the Atlanta
Falcons have their star wide receiver back under contract in camp.
But but this is a dangerous precedent. It really is
the idea of hey, Julio Joneses has outplayed his contract. Okay,
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he's got three years left on his deal. That deal
was no matter what you're told, that deal was front loaded.
We talked about this all the time on the show.
I don't I don't blame players when they don't want
to sign a contract for not signing a contract. I
don't blame him for holding out when they want to
hold out, But in this particular case, and it's really
important to put a point out in this particular case.
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In this case, he got a huge contract three years
ago that was front loaded with a whole bunch of
money because he had quote unquote outplayed his rookie contract
that he was a star wide receiver, knowing full well
that this year would come. So with the with the
(37:59):
Falcons have done is run the possibility of keeping the
keeping up with the Jones mentality, keeping up with the Joneses. Hey,
Julio Jones got paid. He's got three more years left
in his deal. What happens if Matt Ryan goes out
and has a great year. What happens and Matt Ryan
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goes like, Hey, you know what I've I've I've I've
outplayed my contract. Pick the player on the Atlanta Falcons
like it's a it's a precedent. And if you think
that it's not any different than in my business and
your business. If somebody goes out mid contract and gets
a new deal, players talk. Players aren't stupid. Agents talk.
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Agents aren't stupid. And if somebody finds out that in
the middle of your contract, you can go get paid
more money, and then suddenly that guy's making more. You're like, well, wait, wait,
wait is they hold on? I can get more money.
I'm gonna do it. That's a that's a dangerous path
to walk down, even if it's only two million dollars
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more for a guy who I think everything and you
can say, well, that's Julio Jones. He's one of the
best in the game. He's earned the right, like have
you has he He didn't agree, he agreed to his contract.
Nobody forced him to sign it. He did end up
signing it. I mean, take Matt Ryan and take his contract.
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He signed a five year, one fifty million dollar contract
on May three of this year, a hundred million dollars
guaranteed maybe the first player to average thirty million dollars
a year three years from now. He had a front
loaded contract. How do you think we're gonna handle if
Matt Ryan sits out of not because anybody with the
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brain is gonna like, good, look, dude, you just signed
a three three You just signed a front load of deal.
I just think it becomes a slip breepath when you
have three years left. You have one year left, that's different.
That's different. If there's a massive drop off in pay,
that's different. He was still gonna make ten and change
plus a signing plus a bonus like two million dollars.
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Let's welcome in to Marco Murray. Who I remember I was?
I was? I worked in Oklahoma City sports radio for
a year before starting to work up at the other
played ESPN for nine years, and so I would follow.
I remember when I first started at ESPN, they were like,
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can you talk other sports of the basketball? Like, yeah, football, spring, football, recruiting.
I did you know worked in Oklahoma City? And you
know they for a while they're running back you, running
back you after Adrian Peterson was this guy to Marco Murray.
Remember three time pulled Pro Pro Bowler Offensive Player of
the Year the NAH Football League in two thousand and fourteen.
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Recently announced his retirement. He joins us on the Doug
Gotlip Show here on Fox Sport Radio. Any second thoughts,
like when you announce it, that's kind of finality. You
look now training camp has started. Any second thoughts about
coming back and playing football. Um, after you're bringing up
memories of my college days, I'm starting to think about it.
My glory days those were um but no, you know,
(41:17):
just looking at the videos and pictures of teams reporting
to training camp and definitely makes you makes you think
and reminisce about the hard blood, wet and tears that
you're shedding with your teammates trying to obviously defend and
get the ultimate goal, which is a super Bowl. But
I'm excited. I'm excited for the for my future. Um,
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my planning days are over. I'm happy. I'm at peace
with it, and I'm enjoying my family and enjoying being
on the media side of things and having fun with it. Okay,
so take me back your first training camp. You show
up with Cowboys, your third round pick. They had had
what Felix Jones and they had two shark choice. You're
like third string on the chart. What do you remember
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about your your first your first I know you've done,
you know you're down there with with the team beforehand,
but your first day of training camp with the Dallas Cowboys,
what do you remember how nervous I was. These guys
were huge and passed. I mean looking at Jason Witten.
Tyrns Smith was a rookie as was I. But I
actually was hurt. I had a hamstring, which I'm not
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gonna lie. I was a little excited because I don't know.
I don't know if mentally I was. I was able
and ready to competing as these grown man and we
had we actually had a lockout that year, so we
didn't have any o t s. We didn't have any
rookie mining camp. So as we reported as rookies, it
was training camp, full paths meetings, and we hit the
We hit the ground running, and we didn't know the office,
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We didn't know anything. We just said, oh my goodness,
we gotta get the playbook. We have to practice hard.
And it was in San Antonio and luckily I missed
or I missed two of the first weeks of training camp.
Came back in the third preseason game and it was
two Shard choice philis Stones were ahead of me, and
by the season opener um we lost to the Jets,
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and then by game three I was able to take
advantage of an opportunity that was given to me because
Phelix Jones went down with an injury and they put
me in and ran. I still remember the play was
a forty two is so played to the right up
the middle, and I never looked back since forty two
is so. Is that what they ran against was the
rams RT two so perfectly perfectly blocked. And then I
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was able to use a little juice some speed that
I had back then that I might not have anymore,
but I was still rolling at the time. Yeah, you had,
you had an interesting running style. People forget that you
you play basketball. You're good basketball player at Bishop Gorman
in Vegas, and you also a track star. But you're
you're kind of a uh like a one cut guy.
Like you had great end to end speed and you
had a great kind of one cut potential. Why in
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fourteen didn't work out so well for you? In two
thou fourteen you had an unbelievable year. What what in
your mind was it that came together in the offensive
line obviously was really really good, But what was it
that allowed you to have that dream season? Yeah, two
thousand and four teen was a great year individually and collectively.
It was our last playoff winn by the Cowboys, but
we were all on the same page. You know, we
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were all mature, were old enough, we knew what it
took in order to turn things around it and try
to make a run for the Super Bowl. So running
game was key for us. Obviously. We we had Zack Martin,
we had Travis Freddick, Tyrant Smith, Ron Larry and Doug
Free and these guys worked so hard. They were the
anchor for the team. They played well, We protected the ball,
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defense played well throughout throughout the course of the season,
and special teams played all three phases for the team.
Was just amazing. And offensively, I mean, we were just rolling.
We were just rolling. Obviously DEAs was having a great
year and Witten was having a great year, and it
was just a great cumulative effort by by all three
phases of the Cowboys at that year. What do you
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think happens with Dez. I'm hoping he gets on the team.
I know for him, it's frustrating knowing him and knowing
what he's going through and having having spoke with him.
He's just waiting for the right opportunity. And I'm thinking
for me, I think the Times will be a great fit,
only because it's a similar offense to Dallas. You have
a great Titan and Delaney you have a running game
similar to what we had in Dallas when he was
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at his best years, his peak ears and really good
offensive line. If they could maybe snag him. They have
Sarry Matthews there and Corey Davis if they can snag
him and let him know, Hey, you're not gonna be
the number one receiver and you're not going to be
the priority. But if you come in here and you
work hard, we'll get you. Balls, will get you, you know,
a year just to help our football team and help
us win games. But I'm hoping he signs there soon.
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But that is that is hard. It listen, it's hard.
Like take your situation in Tennessee, right, I mean, they
draft Derrick Henry to ultimately be the guy, so you
have to so you're you're a guy that you get
to a point to which you're used to getting. You know,
thirty carries. There's a volume of it to which you
don't have to try and hit home runs. You just
hit singles, doubles and eventually, you know, you pop one
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in a home run and that's how you get you know,
the big yards per carry. Now you cut that in half.
And then, as you know, and I don't think enough
people understand, if you're the third string running back, oftentimes
you gotta play special teams. And you know, if you're
late in your career, you ain't playing special teams. So
it's really hard for a VET to be a secretar.
Now if you're if you're as a wide receiver and
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you've always been the number one wide receiver, isn't it
similar to where it's hard to kind of devolve. It's
hard to take a a tertiary role or secondary role
even after you've been that number one guy. Oh yeah,
you mentioned it. As a running back, your your second
and third depth chart wise, running backs, you're usually playing
on special teams. So that's why you see a lot
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of younger guys because veterans, we don't want to play
special teams. We're not gonna go in and line up
and run on kick off and part of whatever. We're
just not gonna do that. As opposed to the receiving corps,
you have your first and your second string guys who
won't play at all, and then the third team he'll he'll,
he'll mix it in there every now and then. Speaking
of Dez Bryant. Deserts are gonna run down, They're all
kick off. He's not gonna play part return. He's not
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going to do those situations because he's a Pro Bowl
player and quite quite frankly, he doesn't need to. I mean,
he still can play this game. I know there's some
issues on separation. He just needs to get into the
right system, get himself healthy. I know he had a back,
he had a knee and an ankle of the last
couple of years. But if he needs to get himself
healthy and find the right situation and hopefully that that
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takes place here soon, Yeah, it might be smart actually
to wait, you know, wait, somebody goes down and that
then ends up. Then you end up having somebody who
wants you as supposed to going somewhere where you know
you have to kind of make the team and earn
your way you go. You you know, you still stay
in safe, still stay ready. Somebody loses one of their
top two wide receivers and they kind of come begging
you get a better role with a better team and
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a better quarterback than you could otherwise. Is that is
that a possibility for him? That is I mean, this
is his ninth here, he's heading into his ninth here.
He's had some injury capabilities that that you know, he
hasn't played well in the past couple years because he's
been injured. So for a guy like him who has
been banked up, if he can miss some sort of
training camp, maybe the first quarter or a half of it,
and then get into the second or third week of
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training camp, getting a customed to the offense, letting them
put a package together for him starting off so he's
not just thrown into the fire and let him get
comfortable and by week four or five hit the ground ruling. Um.
All right, So look, you play with Romo, and everybody
I know plays with Romo thinks he was the real
deal and that it was the defense and some untimely
injuries that ultimately kept him from getting as far as
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the Cowboys wanted to get. So you know what a
big time quarterback looks like. Does Mario to have it?
I mean they blamed everything on the offense last year.
Does Mario to have it? Yeah? Speaking of Roman, Romo
was fantastic. He was a guy that I was able
to watch my first four years and learn so much
from looking at Mariota spending the last two years there,
and I have a five year old daughter. When she
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gets older, I would love for her to marry a
guy like Marcus, the greatest, nicest guy that you can
ever meet, saying that he has the ability to do
better footwork, timing, execution, and I think it's going into
his third year. Last year he was he was dealing
with the ankle injury, so some of those things got
got misplaced because he was rehabbing. He wasn't quite healthy.
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But this is his fourth year. He has to turn
the page and this has to be a big year.
He has to be more vocal. If he can be
more vocal because that team is so young, new offense,
and when you have a new offense, there's gonna be
questions from the receivers, from the tight ends, and if
you can communicate that on a daily basis in the
seven h seven rooms instead of letting the coaches running,
Marcus needs to take control, take the the tape and say, hey, guys,
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this is how we're gonna do it. I need you
guys at twelve yards to the ten. Let's be on
the same page. Let's just communicate. If he can become
a better communicator and more vocal. I think he's going
to be a terrific quarterback and he'll be one of
the top quarterbacks in this league to come. Yeah, it's
hard to do, though, teach a guy to be vocal
when he hasn't been vocal his first three years. To Marco,
great stuff. I'm happy that you're happy that you found
happiness in your career. Take about Thanks for joining us.
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We'll talk to you the season rolls on. Thanks for
having appreciate you guys. All right, it's DeMarco Murray warning
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Is that good news or bad news for Atlanta Falcons
will discuss. Plus Carson Wentz with one of the all
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then you're like, mm okay, we got the Tampa Bay
News to discuss in which not a surprise, Ryan Fitzpatrick
(01:06):
once a kids got that. I mean you, if you're
a starting quarterback and Ryan Fitzpatrick is your backup, something
bad is going to happen at some point in time.
My go look at his career, whether it was Buffalo
or Cincinnati or Houston or the Jets or like he
has just gotten it's it's amazing some guys, some of
these guys are in the league as backups forever and
(01:27):
you're like, man, I totally forgot that was that human
being still existed. Not Fitzpatrick. He always seems to find
a way to start a game or two. Um, but
I want to start with beef. In the NBA, nothing
is better than NBA Basketball Twitter Beef. So here's what
(01:49):
happened yesterday. Cege McCollum has come on this show before.
It's one of the young stars for the Portland Trailblazers.
When he came on, it was great. Um. A friend
of mine, a former team in of mine. Antony Weish
was his assistant coach at Lehigh. I've known c J
for a long time. I know him to be a
great dude and a guy who eventually wants to get
(02:10):
into the media and like as as you have. There
are other NBA players who have their own j. J.
Reddick has a really good podcast. There are others as well.
Guys like to kind of do their own thing. He
wanted to promote his own podcast, and he did so
coming on our show. His podcast is called Pull Up.
(02:31):
He had Kevin Durant on it. Now here's what we're
gonna do. We're gonna play for you part of the discussion,
and then we'll take you through the twitter beef that
followed last night that everybody's talking about. Here's c J
McCullum and Kevin Durant and here's a warning for you.
They have both appeared to be eating while recording this podcast.
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Have I occasionally eaten or drank something on the air, Yes,
but in the story behind the beef all share we you.
But one of the things I should also share is,
like c J k D when you recorded podcast, can't
be eating during it. Take a listen. So what do
you suggest? Suggest you just just keep playing, man and
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don't worry about what goes on at the top of things.
Were right there at the top of things the third
last year, but we just right there were just slightly
below one and two. How did you play unfortunate situations
happened in the first round? Did you play my unfortunate
circumstances like a seed in the Western Conference? I gotta
play you all the time. Anyway, as it is over
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and over again. We didn't got eliminated by y'all a
few times in the first round. So I'm gonna I mean,
you know, you know, you know, you guys aren't going
in the championship. Bro. We have the team, we have
anything that's possible. We can't win a championship. Having listened
to the entire conversation, it wasn't as much about Kevin
Durant leaving Oklahoma City and going to the Warriors as
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it was about DeMarcus Cousins signing as a free agent.
And I thought Kevin Durant made a great point. He
made a great points, like, look, he's a free agent.
You guys could have signed him, but you don't want
to sign him because you got Nurkics. Mccullums said, well,
you know we could have for five point three million dollars,
we could add both of them. And he's like, now
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you couldn't have. Like there's this, there's this widespread panic
around the NBA over DeMarcus Cousins, who's a former All Star,
the reality of which he probably is not ready to February,
maybe not till March. It eliminates half the teams in
the West I don't want to have him because they've
either had him before or they're trying to be bad,
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and the teams are trying to be good many of
them need him to play during the regular season, and
other teams that don't need him, or other teams that
do need him and wouldn't need him during the October, November, December, January,
and February. They already have a big guy like the
Nuggets don't need him. The Pelicans had him, didn't want
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him back back. DeAndre Jordan's is with the Dallas Mavericks.
The Houston Rockets could have signed him, but they want
Clint Cappella. They're just negotiating with Clint Cappella like other teams.
How does this idea that DeMarcus Cousins somehow tips it
so far in the scales of the Warriors. If he
was so incredible one, why didn't somebody run blocker right?
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That's what the Yankees did acquiring Zach Britton. Do they
need Zach Britton? No? Could they use him? Sure, but
getting Zach Britton kept the Astros from getting him and
the Red Socks from getting him. It's smart. No one
did that in the West, keeping DeMarcus Cousins from additionally,
though other teams just don't need him. So what happened
was the podcast drops and uh suddenly C J. McCullum
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gets questioned about the move by Kevin Durant to go
from Oklahoma City to the Warriors, and he uses an
analogy to Its analogous to a gang fight where a
guy and his brother get jumped, lose the fight, and
instead of getting tougher and getting better and beating up
the guys who beat him up, he joins the gang
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that beat him up. Kevin Durant reads this, sends out
his own tweet and says, wait, so in this analogy,
I I'm in two months with my brother and then
I leave my brother only to beat up my brother
calls a misnake in the grass, and then of course
has has a smile about it all on Twitter. This
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becomes Twitter beef. But I I think people are missing,
really missing what's at the heart of this. You want
to know what it is. One of the hardest things
you're gonna do. If you're gonna host a podcast, you
can host a radio show. You know it's the TV show.
He's not only give your opinion, but sometimes you're gonna
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have to give a negative opinion. And when you give
that negative opinion, occasionally that person you gave a negative
opinion about, you're gonna have to cover or you're gonna
have to interview. And if you don't have that stuff
in you, if you're not willing to step foot in
the locker room or to have that conversation, then you
might not be cut out for the opinion business. It's okay,
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it's not for everybody. Think about this for a second.
On Twitter, c J McCollums said, I thought the move
was kind of soft, right. That's Kevin Durant leaving the
leaving the thunder to go to the Wars. That's a
word that has been used by Stephen A. Smith, been
used by others. It's obviously kind of part of the
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narrative in the NBA because NBA guys are a lot
like you and me in that. Have you ever noticed
everyone who grows up No one grew up with money.
Everyone grew up poor, and it becomes top or to
just how poor and how bad their life was when
they were younger. It's not that some people didn't grow
up poor, but everybody grew up poor. That seems merely,
that seems impossible. Oh you think you had it bad.
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We had no shoes, you had no shoes. We had
to walk on our hands, hands, had to walk in
our elbows. Right, that's how it is in the NBA.
Everybody wants to be tough. Everybody wants to have started
with nothing. You know, it's the old Drake started from
the bottom. Now we're here, we got You want to
start with nothing and then somehow build organically within and
that's the only way to show real toughness. It's not
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that c. J. McCollum can't have the opinion that Kevin
Durance move from Oklahoma City to Oakland and the Golden
State Warriors would want a championship, then won seventy three
games and lost in the NBA finals. Isn't soft he is,
especially as an NBA player and a really good one,
he has the right to have that opinion. The problem
with it is he didn't have that opinion when Kevin
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Durant was recording a podcast with him. Right, that is
twitter tough guy, one oh one. That is That is
the hardest part about the opinion business in broadcasting is Hey, dude,
you can call whoever you want out, but when you
interview him, you gotta have to find a way to
work that in the conversation because you damn well better
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be or that they know what you said. And in
this case, it's even worse because he said it after
the point I'm not just on Kevin Durant's team, because
if you listen to Kevin Durant, there's a matter of
fact way in which he said, you guys like you
didn't really have a chance to win a championship. You
know that, And he said, like, why would you let
any of our acquisitions, our team bother you? Why does
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that affect you? He actually made some really good points,
and he did point out that you guys could have
had to Marcus Cousins, you didn't offer him, and you
probably don't need him because you have Nurkics. But the
best point that was made is, I just did your podcast.
You never brought up the fact that you thought I
was soft for leaving the Thunder, and now you're gonna
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bring it up on Twitter right after we record a podcast.
That is the softest, weakest of the broadcasting genre. It
just is so rich. Kleiman through Jordan's Schultz, who covers
the NBA for Yahoo Sports, said there's no beef. They
are friends. I do think they're friends, but I also
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think I don't think I know that. If there is
a beef, it's just this with Kevin Durant. Hey, look,
we're friends. I agree to come on your podcast. We
can talk about anything. But talking about anything means if
you think my move from from Oakland to from Oklahoma
City to Oakland was soft, you gotta say that when
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we're face to face. You gotta give me a chance
to have a rightful retort, not too big cat on Twitter.
That ain't fair, that ain't right, That's not how anybody
would like to roll. Be sure to catch live editions
of the Doug gott Leaps Show weekdays at three p m.
Eastern noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I
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Heart Radio app. Chris Simms, former NFL quarterback starting quarterback
with the Tampay Buccaneers, kind of joined us here. As
training camps are underway, holdouts are continuing on for guys
like Aaron Donald, for guys like Julio Jones, the lasted
just one day. Let me ask you, Chris, thanks so
much for joining US football seasons back. I know yours
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geeked up as I am, and you do incredible work
throughout the fall and the winner covering it. Um alright,
So Julio Jones, it's it's all one day, and I
don't think anyone would dispute he's an awesome player. His
contract would be actually look at it, like, look, it
was a front loaded deal, a long term deal to
which he was probably overpaid, overcompensated early on and then
and then you knew a dip. But it's not like
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it's not like he's making two million making like ten
or something. They moved two million dollars from next year
round to this year to give him a little bit
bigger guarantee, a little bit bigger bump, and all's right
with the world. What's the pressing like in an NFL
locker room? Is now every guy who has a good run,
that's got a couple of years left in their deal,
does everybody go in and ask for a new deal?
Or is it different because it's Julio. Yeah, and you
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right at the end, it's different because it's Julio. There's
a set a different set of rules and hierarchy in
an NFL locker room, and players realize that they realized
that juli O Jones, Matt Ryan, DeVante Freeman, those type
of players they're gonna get away with things within the
organization that some of the other guys who are trying
to make their way into the team or roster are
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not going to get away with. And also, listen, Doug,
you just said it. I know it. Everybody and their
mother knows it. Julio Jones is one of the best
three best receivers in football. That's not a discussion. And
he's outplayed his contract and I have no problem with
him asking for more money to get compensated fairly. You
know why, you know I what I pushed back is
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I don't understand the backlash sometimes about NFL players asking
for more money when guys like Kevin Love and Basketball
just then a four year, hundred and thirty million dollar
deal and he's not one of the thirty best players
in the NBA. But here we got a football players
in the top ten in the NFL, and we want
to get mad that he wants a little bit more money.
And that drives me crazy. Yeah, I look, but you're
you're comparing different businesses right, I know, I am, I know,
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I mean so so like, look, Albert fool has placed
for the Angels. He's wildly overpaid and he's actually under
contract longer and for more money than Mike trout Is.
But again, it's a it's a different business, is a
different scale. It's it's doctors complaining about lawyers and how
much lawyers make per hour as opposed to doctors haven't fight,
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you know, the insurance company for their pay. Right, So
it is it is a little bit different. Um, what
what about the Falcons um this year? Like they were
a team that seemed to struggle with Stark's offense in
comparison to what they had previously. But at the end
of the year it did start to click some which
Falcons are they? Are they end of the year Falcons
or are they really going to be up and down
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because sark style just doesn't fit with what they have.
I think it's gonna be a little bit more towards
what we saw at the end of the year. I mean, listen,
it's not it's never easy to lose a guy like
Kyle Shanahan, who's one of the best offensive game plan
designers in football for the last eight to ten years,
so your team is going to take a hit. Sarkesian,
I think had to make an adjustment to the NFL life. Uh,
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you know, it's a different game than college football. But
I think that team is still extremely talented. They're in
their prime. And yes, I do think Steve Sarkisian showed
me enough towards the end of the year that he
is smart enough to mix things up, change things up,
and keep deep at the coordinators on edge with week
to week game plans. I don't want to ask you, Uh,
ESPN folks, they had they have their their quarterback tiers.
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I don't know if you saw they had Cam Newton
second tier, but they hadn't like is the eleventh rated quarterback?
What what's your what's your eval of Cam Newton? Who?
There's another guy? He started really slow last year, you know,
coming off surgery and uh had some great moments, but
had a lot of inaccurate moments. As Par has been
the carse for his career. What's your thoughts on the
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level of eliteness if you will, I don't even know
if that's a word with Cam Newton. Yeah, I think
you know, I look at it and go I think
eleven is a little low. I really do. Now. Yes,
I understand that Cam Newton didn't start the year off
great last year, but yes, he was recovering from shoulder surgery,
uh in dealing with that, and you know he missed
them throws early on that you know, we haven't even
seen him miss or or a normal NFL quarterback would
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would miss. But I think what's all said and done
once he got completely healthy and comfortable within the flow
of the game again, uh man, Cam Newton is one
of the ten best quarterbacks in football for my money,
I mean and and the thing where I pushed back
against people, Doug is the stats can't quantify what Cam
Newton does for a football team. You know, think about
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how they play games. It's run the ball. It's run
the ball, and then it's oh hey, it's third and fifteen. Cam,
can you sit back there for seven seconds and throw
a thirty yard missile down the field with seven people
around you because our offensive line is that good? Or
it's thart in three and they go, hey, Cam, can
you just smash it up the middle and do something
that no other quarterback in the history of football has done.
So that's the greatness of Cam Newton. Guys like Cam
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Newton and Russell Wilson, with their ability to run to
it changes defenses, it makes them game plan for them specifically,
and that's some of the greatness that can bring to
the table as well. How would you handle the Deshaun
Watson thing? And and by Deshaun Watson thing, it's twofold one.
Obviously he exploded on the scene when he was named
starting quarterback last year, but it was an offense that
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was more kind of college offense, right, and there's the
thought that people will do will catch up to it. Also,
this is his second a c L injury and part
of that offense is moving him around and it puts
him in harm's way. How would you how would you
help him evolve as a quiporate? Will you continue, Hey,
look this the offense that he works in. This is
what we're gonna be and just and just assume the
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NFL is going to become a place to where that
will work long term or do you do you want
him to evolve the way that For example, the Redskins
and I think he's better than r G three, but
the Redskins wanted r G three to evolve as he
grew into the position. Yes, well, this is a different
person in RG three. I mean, you know, without really
being able to tiptoe around this the answer, you know,
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Deshaun Watson's humble. He realizes he doesn't have every answer
in the world. RG three wanted to tell Mike Shanahan
and the Shannon and family how to run the Redskins
along with Dan Snyder. So I do think this is
a guy that uh understands the changes that need to
be made in the you know, for him to survive
in the NFL. But I don't think his game is
gonna change a whole lot. I think that just early
on in the season preseason, the coaches need to be
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careful with him. Saved him for himself. But he'll learn
the way to play and keep himself out of harm's way.
And hopefully he saw what Carson Wentz did last year
and he goes, well, I can't be doing that or
I won't survive either. But I also will say this,
I think that the Shawn Watson could be I would
not be shocked two years from now we're going to
Shawn Watson's the best quarterback in football. I think he
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has that type of potential. And I think now that uh,
they have a full offseason to see what the Shawn
Watson was capable of, you're gonna see a different offense.
You've heard Bill O'Brien's already commented about it that you
know they're tinkering in the lab a little bit this
year because they know they can do things with him
that you can't ask other quarterbacks to do. And and
Bill O'Briant has never had this type of quarterback to
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play with. Really, I think you could say the same
thing for Andy Reid since he's been a head coach, right,
Like he probably had it when he's in Green Bay
with far Pat Mahomes has some crazy arm talent, crazy right,
And and I mean, look we saw in the preseason,
we saw Week seventeen, and I think they overpaid Sammy Watkins,
But I at least get it. Like you got Tyreek
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Hills Burner, you got Travis Kelsey take away the middle
of the field. You got Sammy Watkins, who I think
can can you know, can can be a little bit
more of a possession type of guy. Um. But but
but it's a complete You've done this, it's a completely
different deal. When you are the starter, you're not the
rookie who gets to come in and nobody has a
scattered report on you. What's this year gonna be like
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for Pat Mahomes in Kansas City. I think you'll see
a few dumb you know, dumb mistakes, bumps, bumps in
the road. Certainly, he's young. I have been around this
kid in person a little bit. I mean, he's very impressive.
Everything I've heard from players on that team say he's smart.
He takes coaching. Uh, will it take a little while
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for him to get used to like a Brett Farve
or some of the other strong long quarterbacks we've seen
through through history. Will take him a little while to
realize what windows he can fit it into and which
ones he can Yes, I think there's gonna be some
of those issues. But again, you know, this is a guy.
He threw forty one touchdowns and tenor interceptions at Texas Tech.
He's not as reckless with the football as everybody tries
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to make it to be. He has big time talent.
He's another guy that I look at and go, yeah,
it's Brett Farve. It's Aaron roger ish type of talent.
This guy has and with that offense, like you said,
what do you defend? But Sammy Watkins signing, totally agree
with you. They overpaid him. But man, are they gonna
put people in binds and going, well, who do you
want to double? Or you're gonna leave Tyreek Kill one
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on one, or you're gonna leave Travis Kelsey one on one,
or even Sammy Watkins. And now you have a quarterback
that is phenomenal at throwing the ball down the field.
It's really gonna make them a fun and exciting football team.
There's some talent obviously with the l A Rams, but
some of that is the McVeigh that you point out,
incredible play caller, right, Um, teams adjust because that one
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feels like it could that could be a super Bowl team,
or that could be a team that's a disaster with
so many of those um really interesting personalities that they
brought in, more specifically on the defensive side of the football.
What are your thoughts on how the league adjust to
the Rams. Now they've seen golf and they've seen McVeigh
an entire trip around. I think that the first thing
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I think of is McVeigh. It doesn't matter if you've
got a trip around the block and seen him. He
is ever evolving. He is like a Kyle Shanahan or
a Josh McDaniels up in New England. Sean Payton, You're
never gonna have a beat on them because they're always
gonna bring new things week to week to the game
plan plays. You haven't seen formations, So that's their greatness.
So I don't think that anybody's really gonna catch up
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to the McVeigh system. I think the Rams are still
gonna be a very good football team, uh. And I
think there a playoff team without a doubt. And I
understand the questions about the personalities, but I guess my
take is this, I know Sean McVeigh, you know what
Wade Phillips says, And there are two guys that understand people.
They have great people skills, and they understand how to
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lead uh different personality styles. And I don't think it's
going to be a problem. I would say it's a
problem in most places, but I don't think it will
be a problem because of those two guys right there.
What would your dad have said if during your first
year as a starting quarterback? And by the way, Christim's
joining us from NBC Sports and from Bleacher Report. Happily
married man, a couple of kids. So this isn't you.
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But if it was you, your starting quarterback, and you're
spotted at a restaurant dating a well known porn star,
how would that go over at the Sims house? My dad,
he'd probably be like, well, Christopher, what were you doing?
You know, he'd have fun, he would let me go.
He'd probably go back, you know, to be careful, Christopher,
you know, don't be a distraction to the team. You know,
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you're still the quarterback. You still got to be a
leader out there. That would be the kind of talk
I get. But he tried not to butt into my
personal life too much. Is it a big deal? No,
I do not think it's a big deal at all.
I mean, this is a young guy still, he's twenty
six years old, and uh, he's having a little fun.
I think he's just realizing. He doesn't realize that he's
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under such a microscope at this point, and within the
NFL locker room, nobody's inna care. He's gonna get made
fun of a little this week. And I wouldn't be
surprised if like a you know, a coach puts a
picture of this girl on the board and it's like, hey,
I mean this is what Jimmy ge was doing the
last few weeks. We're not sure if he's focused on football.
They're gonna have fun with that. But I don't think
anybody's gonna go overboard with it. And I could be
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crazy to think this. Does this give him a little
swag with some of the dudes. I do think so, yeah, yeah,
you know, quarterbacks are like they always get Pigeonholed is like, oh,
they like these, you know, all American model type girls.
You know, this is gonna get him some credit in
the in the locker room where they're like, wow, you
like full figured women and all that. That's it's certainly
gonna give him some credit in the street, cred in
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the locker room. Okay, So, so Brady has got the
dad Bob going, but Brady Brady still Brady. On the
other hand, you're not gonna have Edelman. And look, I'm
not concerned it all about there about the a f
C East, but there it seems like they're just throwing
a bunch of numbers, a bunch of guys out there
to see you know who else they can work with.
What do you think about the reformation of that wide
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receiving corps around Gronk? I really I don't have many
issues with it. You know, this is a a coaching staff,
a quarterback that I have so much confidence in, and
they don't do anything without thinking about it thoroughly before
they do it. So there is a game plan up there.
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They knew about this Edelman thing for a long long time.
Uh so they were aware of it. And this is
New England. There the master game planners, there's it's it's
every day is grind away And I'm not concerned with
the overall weapons. And I do think that maybe you know,
within the draft to you go, maybe they're changing the
theme of their team a little bit. They've realized, Okay,
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that's the end of Tom Brady's career. Maybe we need
to be able to run the football a little bit more,
be a little more balanced on the offensive side of
the ball. And that's why they dropped the tackle out
of George Isaiah Win and Sony Michelle at the end
of the first round, because they might want to change
your style a little bit. Um. You've been in New England,
you've worked in that you've worked in that organization. There
there is a narrative out there that players demand answers
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for why Malcolm Butler was bench. Now Malcolm Butler's is elsewhere,
and that's that's forever going to have a lasting kind
of tarnish on the end of of Tom Brady's crew.
That's why Tom Brady didn't show up to O T A. S.
That's why there's this standoff with with Gronk. What's your
opinion on how much carry over there is from the
Malcolm Butler benching into this season. I think there's gonna
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be some guys that are on the team last year
that they're still gonna be annoyed about it and still
want answers. I don't think Bill Belichick is going to
address the situation until he feels like there's enough clamoring
within the locker room and in meeting rooms that people
are still actually angry about it. Then he might address
the football team and let them know what really went
on there. But let's not get it mixed up. There's
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only one man in charge there in New England. It
is Bill Belichick. They don't argue with him a whole lot.
Tom Brady is the only one with real power in
that organization because of his friendship with with Robert Craft.
I do think there was a legitimate riff between Brady
and Belichick, not only with you know, the Malcolm Butler thing.
I think that Jimmy Garoppolo thing. I think there's a
few other things there. But I don't think they're gonna
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miss a bit beat. I still think they're the cream
of the crop in the a f C. And uh,
you know, at the end of the day, I just
have tremendous faith having worked there and knowing those people
that they're gonna stay to the formula that always makes
them successful, which is go to work every day, take
every day one day at the time. All the cliches
I promise you they live by. Do you believe Baker
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Mayfield doesn't see the field that that's what John Dorsey's
selling us. Hey, look, he comes from Kansas City. We
talked about mahomes. We didn't see my homes until weeks seventeen.
They got Tyrod Taylor. He's even trying to sell his
backup and will us We're going to develop Baker Mayfield.
Do you buy that? I do buy it. I think
that's truly what they want to do. They want to
make sure it works for bay Er Mayfield because it's
a huge pick for their own butts, right. I mean,
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John Dorsey drafted a quarterback with the number one pick
in the draft that's six one towns and runs a
four eight five. Those are some of the worst credentials
ever for the first pick of the draft. I'm not
trying to be a jerk. I like Baker Mayfield a
whole lot. I think also, what's what I've been saying
for the start. The problem Cleveland's gonna fall into is
guys are gonna go on the practice field and go,
huh Tyrod, Taylor's the same height as Baker Mayfield. And
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then they go, huh Tyrod, Taylor's faster than Baker Mayfield.
And they go, huh Tyrod, Taylor's arm is stronger than
Baker Mayfields. Why do we dropp Baker Mayfield Number one?
That's the issue they're gonna fall into throughout the year.
The players are and you already hear it. The players.
You can tell they're they're not overly impressed. I think
with Baker Mayfield maybe the person, but all the raving
on the field is about Tyrod Taylor No, and and
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he led the Bills to the playoffs last year even
after being bench. I mean, here's the guy who has
who has fought his way and earned his way to
being a starter. Like I think that that might be
the powder keg that people are are are not discussing enough.
Whereas I feel like that, I feel like the Baltimore
thing people are over discussing. I like the idea of
using Lar Jackson's slash as slowly integrating him using his explosiveness.
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How do you think that plays out? I do. I
think it's gonna play out kind of just the way
they're they're saying. I I know people in Baltimore. I
know that they're ultra impressed by Lamar Jackson and some
of the things he can do. But I know it's
also not perfect. I know there are inconsistent season throwing.
I know he's still not totally perfect of getting the
team in and out of the huddle when he's calling
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the plays as the quarterback. So those are things that
he'll continue to get better at. But I do think
you're gonna see him on the field a handful of
plays every game, and Baltimore is gonna keep everybody on
their peas and cues with creative plays and whatever that
may be. But I do think they're gonna find a
way to get Lamar Jackson on the field in some capacity,
get the ball in his hands. And the big thing, Doug,
I think you and I talked about this in the draft.
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I think getting him on the field, even if it
is a wide receiver, is gonna help him in the
future at the quarterback position. To be in the huddle
here Joe Flacco call the plays, to know what guys
make them hot, and he has to adjust his route.
All those things are gonna play into his development at
the quarterback position too, and I think will only help
him in the future. I totally agree. And I think
what's maybe most interesting is like he doesn't even he
(28:13):
doesn't want to hear the world wide receivers. So they're like, no,
we're gonna have two quarterbacks on the field, like okay,
but he's out wide like a wide receiven know where
there's two quarterbacks there, just one just happens to not
be playing under center behind and one they'll just like
run by everybody in the NFL if he gets out
in the open so it will be fun. And Baltimore
is one of those teams I say watch out for
(28:34):
because I do think they're one of the better teams
in the a f C if they stay healthy. And
they absolutely kicked away the playoffs. I should have been
in the playoffs last year and then they kicked it
away last thing. And I didn't prep you on this one. Uh,
Notre Dame Michigan. People are putting a lot of pressure
on Jim Harbaugh for this first game of the season. Um,
is Notre Dame good enough with Shaye Patterson a quarterback Michigan.
(28:54):
Is Notre Dame good enough to beat Michigan that first
game of the season. I do. I think Notre Dame,
you know, everybody to talk about. First of all, they
lost Quintin Nelson and McGlinchey in the first round. I
can still tell you this, Notre Dame's offensive line is
still going to be one of the best in college football.
They still have good running backs that the Brandon Wooden
win Bushes is scary. The defense does have talent. Now
(29:15):
they lost their defensive coordinator. But yes, that is gonna
be a tough game from Michigan. And I agree with
the centerment. This is one of the biggest games in
Jim Harbaugh's history. There's no doubt about that. I mean,
this is Michigan. He has yet to beat Ohio State.
He's yet to win a major bowl game. Uh and
they really haven't been in the national title conversation as
of yet. I like Jim Harbaugh, have a lot of
(29:36):
respect for him. I do think he's a hair overrated.
People put him in the conversation with Urban Meyer and
Nick Saban. I'm gonna go wait, hold on, let's pump
and pump the brakes a little bit. Let's see if
you can win a championship first. So it is intriguing
in Michigan. Of course, this is what Hardbaugh's fifth year.
These are all his players or his fourth year, all
his players, and this defense should be stacked, should be stacked.
And now he's finally got an elite level quarterback. Chris
(29:57):
great stuff. Can't wait to read some of it and
see some of it on Bleacher Report, Corsi on NBC
Sports and NBC Sports Radio. Appreciate you joined us here
on the Doug Gallup Show. One another one only. Chris Simms.
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(30:18):
Karmeno Anthony is doing the blame thing at the end
of the day talking about Oklahoma City wasn't a good fit.
I think last year. I I haven't talked about this before.
Everything was just so rushed. Going to the team for
media day the day before training camp. Them guys already
had something in place, and I come along at the
o s Only he didn't say, s mellow, just come
(30:38):
on join us, like you can figure it out since
you've been around the game. So it's such a long time.
That's why it was so inconsistent. At times. I had
to figure out figured out on my own rather than
somebody over there or people over there helping me. I
didn't fit because they didn't help me and we didn't
have time. Now he could have gone the listen that
(31:01):
one was all on me. Where people are gonna say, no,
you didn't have enough time. He could have given you
the where the reality of it is. The reality is,
was there a lack of time and preparation, probably, But
you did have eighty two games to work it out,
didn't you, Like, It's not like the NBA season, is
(31:24):
the NFL season even a college football season. Right, it
sounds like it's like a ten game. It's eighty two
games over five six months. You did have training camp
with them, didn't you. So you had training camp, he
had the preseason, he had the regular season to get
you ready for the postseason. And you didn't think you
had enough time. Well, nobody over there helped me. Well,
(31:48):
they suggested you might want to come off the bench.
You wanted nothing to do with that. None of this
is about his ability to change, to evolve, two guard
somebody to move the basketball. To understand not just that
the NBA has evolved, that he has evolved, but he's
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playing in a different team to which there's a different
star structure, like none of that. And oh yeah, by
the way, while there isn't communicating or he thinks that
nobody on that team, try to communicate and help him.
If he's been in the game so long and he's
Karmelo Anthony and he's a future Hall of Famer, which
he is, can he open the lines of communication. H
(32:31):
Here's a saying that I've I've had for a long time,
which is there's a couple of differences, Ramos, you can
attest to this between children and adults. Do you know
what they are? An adult would never turn down a nap. Ever,
you're tell an adult like, hey man, why don't you
get take a nap for an hour? Is there an
(32:52):
adult in the world? Be like, no, I don't want
to take a nap. Be like a nap that sounds fantastic.
Now listen, I don't want the nap to be too
long because then I'm really Then I get more tired.
Could you just wake me up in minutes and I'll
feel refreshed? Right? An adult never turns down a nap
an adult. An adult will change the side order two
(33:15):
vegetables from French fries. A child will never do that, right,
that's in a mature thing to do. And an adult,
I said, from vegetables of French fries. From French fries
to vegetables, I I apologize. An adult would order will
order vegetables, and adult would order a salad. Children don't
order salads. They're not a kid in the world. There's
not even salads on kids menus. They don't say they're
(33:38):
going on, Oh, I know it's pizza and there's chicken
fingers and there's sliders, I'd like a salad. There's no
kid in the world that does that. But you know
what else kids don't do. Kids don't ever point in words.
They don't ever say that's my bad, that's me. They
say Johnny did it, they say the teacher did it,
they say God did it, somebody else did it. They
(34:01):
never said my bad. And Carmelo Anthony is not point
the finger inward. He's not willing to accept any sort
of blame. You know. However, I viewed my five years
at CBS UM some of the blame I had to have.
I had to adjust to their culture, understand what they wanted,
(34:25):
ask more questions, be more willing to listen. And I've
done that at this place of work. I don't know
if it was success or failure, but if somebody asked me,
a little bit of both. But a lot of that's
on me. They've been doing what they've done for fifty years.
I came and went in five years. The Oklahoma City
(34:50):
Thunders game plan mostly is, hey, we liked what we had.
We think we can get better, and the best way
to get better is to get rid of Carmelo Anthony.
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(35:11):
Eastern noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I
Heart Radio App. I fully understand that, um, that professional
sports is not like your work my work, and we
shouldn't try and equated as such. But I also know
human nature, right, It's like, why doesn't communism work? Doesn't
(35:36):
socialism work music? Why do you think socialism doesn't didn't
work for the Russians for example? It inhibits, Uh, innovation.
I don't think it inhibits innovation. Um, I don't know
if I would agree with that, but that's your opinion.
I would say, I like the idea of socialism is, hey,
everybody has a job, everybody's covered, right, everybody gets to
(36:00):
eat the same, and then you just go you go
into a field that you can specialize in. You just
go to work for the state, and you just do
the best you can. And if you just you just
be the best you you can, everybody's gonna eat the same.
What it inhibits is there is really no personal growth, right,
there has to be some sort of leadership, and those
(36:21):
people who are leaders, they're going to get more than
the common answers inherent jealousy. And then there's the added
jealousy of wait, I'm great at my job. That guy's
crumbing at his job, and yet I'm making the exact
same amount of money. There's a human nature element to it.
You want to be rewarded financially and other in respect
wise for being better than somebody else. Right, a human
(36:45):
nature to it. Julio Jones sat out all of one day.
They moved around some money, got two million dollars more upfront,
and all is right with the world. In the Atlanta
Falcons have their star wide receiver back under contract in camp.
But but this is a dangerous precedent. It really is
the idea of hey, Julio Joneses has outplayed his contract. Okay,
(37:12):
he's got three years left on his deal. That deal
was no matter what you're told, that deal was front loaded.
We talked about this all the time on the show.
I don't I don't blame players when they don't want
to sign a contract for not signing a contract. I
don't blame him for holding out when they want to
hold out, But in this particular case, and it's really
important to put a point out in this particular case.
(37:39):
In this case, he got a huge contract three years
ago that was front loaded with a whole bunch of
money because he had quote unquote outplayed his rookie contract
that he was a star wide receiver, knowing full well
that this year would come. So with the with the
(37:59):
Falcons have done is run the possibility of keeping the
keeping up with the Jones mentality, keeping up with the Joneses. Hey,
Julio Jones got paid. He's got three more years left
in his deal. What happens if Matt Ryan goes out
and has a great year. What happens and Matt Ryan
(38:22):
goes like, Hey, you know what I've I've I've I've
outplayed my contract. Pick the player on the Atlanta Falcons
like it's a it's a precedent. And if you think
that it's not any different than in my business and
your business. If somebody goes out mid contract and gets
a new deal, players talk. Players aren't stupid. Agents talk.
(38:49):
Agents aren't stupid. And if somebody finds out that in
the middle of your contract, you can go get paid
more money, and then suddenly that guy's making more. You're like, well, wait, wait,
wait is they hold on? I can get more money.
I'm gonna do it. That's a that's a dangerous path
to walk down, even if it's only two million dollars
(39:11):
more for a guy who I think everything and you
can say, well, that's Julio Jones. He's one of the
best in the game. He's earned the right, like have
you has he He didn't agree, he agreed to his contract.
Nobody forced him to sign it. He did end up
signing it. I mean, take Matt Ryan and take his contract.
(39:32):
He signed a five year, one fifty million dollar contract
on May three of this year, a hundred million dollars
guaranteed maybe the first player to average thirty million dollars
a year three years from now. He had a front
loaded contract. How do you think we're gonna handle if
Matt Ryan sits out of not because anybody with the
(39:52):
brain is gonna like, good, look, dude, you just signed
a three three You just signed a front load of deal.
I just think it becomes a slip breepath when you
have three years left. You have one year left, that's different.
That's different. If there's a massive drop off in pay,
that's different. He was still gonna make ten and change
plus a signing plus a bonus like two million dollars.
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Let's welcome in to Marco Murray. Who I remember I was?
I was? I worked in Oklahoma City sports radio for
a year before starting to work up at the other
played ESPN for nine years, and so I would follow.
I remember when I first started at ESPN, they were like,
(40:35):
can you talk other sports of the basketball? Like, yeah, football, spring, football, recruiting.
I did you know worked in Oklahoma City? And you
know they for a while they're running back you, running
back you after Adrian Peterson was this guy to Marco Murray.
Remember three time pulled Pro Pro Bowler Offensive Player of
the Year the NAH Football League in two thousand and fourteen.
(40:55):
Recently announced his retirement. He joins us on the Doug
Gotlip Show here on Fox Sport Radio. Any second thoughts,
like when you announce it, that's kind of finality. You
look now training camp has started. Any second thoughts about
coming back and playing football. Um, after you're bringing up
memories of my college days, I'm starting to think about it.
My glory days those were um but no, you know,
(41:17):
just looking at the videos and pictures of teams reporting
to training camp and definitely makes you makes you think
and reminisce about the hard blood, wet and tears that
you're shedding with your teammates trying to obviously defend and
get the ultimate goal, which is a super Bowl. But
I'm excited. I'm excited for the for my future. Um,
(41:39):
my planning days are over. I'm happy. I'm at peace
with it, and I'm enjoying my family and enjoying being
on the media side of things and having fun with it. Okay,
so take me back your first training camp. You show
up with Cowboys, your third round pick. They had had
what Felix Jones and they had two shark choice. You're
like third string on the chart. What do you remember
(42:01):
about your your first your first I know you've done,
you know you're down there with with the team beforehand,
but your first day of training camp with the Dallas Cowboys,
what do you remember how nervous I was. These guys
were huge and passed. I mean looking at Jason Witten.
Tyrns Smith was a rookie as was I. But I
actually was hurt. I had a hamstring, which I'm not
(42:21):
gonna lie. I was a little excited because I don't know.
I don't know if mentally I was. I was able
and ready to competing as these grown man and we
had we actually had a lockout that year, so we
didn't have any o t s. We didn't have any
rookie mining camp. So as we reported as rookies, it
was training camp, full paths meetings, and we hit the
We hit the ground running, and we didn't know the office,
(42:45):
We didn't know anything. We just said, oh my goodness,
we gotta get the playbook. We have to practice hard.
And it was in San Antonio and luckily I missed
or I missed two of the first weeks of training camp.
Came back in the third preseason game and it was
two Shard choice philis Stones were ahead of me, and
by the season opener um we lost to the Jets,
(43:07):
and then by game three I was able to take
advantage of an opportunity that was given to me because
Phelix Jones went down with an injury and they put
me in and ran. I still remember the play was
a forty two is so played to the right up
the middle, and I never looked back since forty two
is so. Is that what they ran against was the
rams RT two so perfectly perfectly blocked. And then I
(43:30):
was able to use a little juice some speed that
I had back then that I might not have anymore,
but I was still rolling at the time. Yeah, you had,
you had an interesting running style. People forget that you
you play basketball. You're good basketball player at Bishop Gorman
in Vegas, and you also a track star. But you're
you're kind of a uh like a one cut guy.
Like you had great end to end speed and you
had a great kind of one cut potential. Why in
(43:51):
fourteen didn't work out so well for you? In two
thou fourteen you had an unbelievable year. What what in
your mind was it that came together in the offensive
line obviously was really really good, But what was it
that allowed you to have that dream season? Yeah, two
thousand and four teen was a great year individually and collectively.
It was our last playoff winn by the Cowboys, but
we were all on the same page. You know, we
(44:12):
were all mature, were old enough, we knew what it
took in order to turn things around it and try
to make a run for the Super Bowl. So running
game was key for us. Obviously. We we had Zack Martin,
we had Travis Freddick, Tyrant Smith, Ron Larry and Doug
Free and these guys worked so hard. They were the
anchor for the team. They played well, We protected the ball,
(44:33):
defense played well throughout throughout the course of the season,
and special teams played all three phases for the team.
Was just amazing. And offensively, I mean, we were just rolling.
We were just rolling. Obviously DEAs was having a great
year and Witten was having a great year, and it
was just a great cumulative effort by by all three
phases of the Cowboys at that year. What do you
(44:53):
think happens with Dez. I'm hoping he gets on the team.
I know for him, it's frustrating knowing him and knowing
what he's going through and having having spoke with him.
He's just waiting for the right opportunity. And I'm thinking
for me, I think the Times will be a great fit,
only because it's a similar offense to Dallas. You have
a great Titan and Delaney you have a running game
similar to what we had in Dallas when he was
(45:15):
at his best years, his peak ears and really good
offensive line. If they could maybe snag him. They have
Sarry Matthews there and Corey Davis if they can snag
him and let him know, Hey, you're not gonna be
the number one receiver and you're not going to be
the priority. But if you come in here and you
work hard, we'll get you. Balls, will get you, you know,
a year just to help our football team and help
us win games. But I'm hoping he signs there soon.
(45:37):
But that is that is hard. It listen, it's hard.
Like take your situation in Tennessee, right, I mean, they
draft Derrick Henry to ultimately be the guy, so you
have to so you're you're a guy that you get
to a point to which you're used to getting. You know,
thirty carries. There's a volume of it to which you
don't have to try and hit home runs. You just
hit singles, doubles and eventually, you know, you pop one
(45:59):
in a home run and that's how you get you know,
the big yards per carry. Now you cut that in half.
And then, as you know, and I don't think enough
people understand, if you're the third string running back, oftentimes
you gotta play special teams. And you know, if you're
late in your career, you ain't playing special teams. So
it's really hard for a VET to be a secretar.
Now if you're if you're as a wide receiver and
(46:19):
you've always been the number one wide receiver, isn't it
similar to where it's hard to kind of devolve. It's
hard to take a a tertiary role or secondary role
even after you've been that number one guy. Oh yeah,
you mentioned it. As a running back, your your second
and third depth chart wise, running backs, you're usually playing
on special teams. So that's why you see a lot
(46:40):
of younger guys because veterans, we don't want to play
special teams. We're not gonna go in and line up
and run on kick off and part of whatever. We're
just not gonna do that. As opposed to the receiving corps,
you have your first and your second string guys who
won't play at all, and then the third team he'll he'll,
he'll mix it in there every now and then. Speaking
of Dez Bryant. Deserts are gonna run down, They're all
kick off. He's not gonna play part return. He's not
(47:01):
going to do those situations because he's a Pro Bowl
player and quite quite frankly, he doesn't need to. I mean,
he still can play this game. I know there's some
issues on separation. He just needs to get into the
right system, get himself healthy. I know he had a back,
he had a knee and an ankle of the last
couple of years. But if he needs to get himself
healthy and find the right situation and hopefully that that
(47:22):
takes place here soon, Yeah, it might be smart actually
to wait, you know, wait, somebody goes down and that
then ends up. Then you end up having somebody who
wants you as supposed to going somewhere where you know
you have to kind of make the team and earn
your way you go. You you know, you still stay
in safe, still stay ready. Somebody loses one of their
top two wide receivers and they kind of come begging
you get a better role with a better team and
(47:42):
a better quarterback than you could otherwise. Is that is
that a possibility for him? That is I mean, this
is his ninth here, he's heading into his ninth here.
He's had some injury capabilities that that you know, he
hasn't played well in the past couple years because he's
been injured. So for a guy like him who has
been banked up, if he can miss some sort of
training camp, maybe the first quarter or a half of it,
and then get into the second or third week of
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training camp, getting a customed to the offense, letting them
put a package together for him starting off so he's
not just thrown into the fire and let him get
comfortable and by week four or five hit the ground ruling. Um.
All right, So look, you play with Romo, and everybody
I know plays with Romo thinks he was the real
deal and that it was the defense and some untimely
injuries that ultimately kept him from getting as far as
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the Cowboys wanted to get. So you know what a
big time quarterback looks like. Does Mario to have it?
I mean they blamed everything on the offense last year.
Does Mario to have it? Yeah? Speaking of Roman, Romo
was fantastic. He was a guy that I was able
to watch my first four years and learn so much
from looking at Mariota spending the last two years there,
and I have a five year old daughter. When she
(48:48):
gets older, I would love for her to marry a
guy like Marcus, the greatest, nicest guy that you can
ever meet, saying that he has the ability to do
better footwork, timing, execution, and I think it's going into
his third year. Last year he was he was dealing
with the ankle injury, so some of those things got
got misplaced because he was rehabbing. He wasn't quite healthy.
(49:09):
But this is his fourth year. He has to turn
the page and this has to be a big year.
He has to be more vocal. If he can be
more vocal because that team is so young, new offense,
and when you have a new offense, there's gonna be
questions from the receivers, from the tight ends, and if
you can communicate that on a daily basis in the
seven h seven rooms instead of letting the coaches running,
Marcus needs to take control, take the the tape and say, hey, guys,
(49:34):
this is how we're gonna do it. I need you
guys at twelve yards to the ten. Let's be on
the same page. Let's just communicate. If he can become
a better communicator and more vocal. I think he's going
to be a terrific quarterback and he'll be one of
the top quarterbacks in this league to come. Yeah, it's
hard to do, though, teach a guy to be vocal
when he hasn't been vocal his first three years. To Marco,
great stuff. I'm happy that you're happy that you found
happiness in your career. Take about Thanks for joining us.
(49:55):
We'll talk to you the season rolls on. Thanks for
having appreciate you guys. All right, it's DeMarco Murray warning
us on The Doug Gottlieb Show.
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