You Can Lie To The Media But Not To Your Boss!

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hope you're doing well. Getting ready for a great sports weekend?

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Oh yeah, tonight there is football on TV, Real football
on TV, Real Football on TV. Doug Gotlip Show, Fox
Sports Radio. Uh, this is uh, this is gonna be
amazing that we're gonna watch Slamar Jackson. People are gonna
freak out because he's a freak athlete. He is um

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and there's gonna be this is what usually happens, some
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Decker does on Decker does make the list Christian McCaffrey,

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I believe is the next one up. I have thoughts
on Tiger versus Phil, which is set for Thanksgiving Day
weekend one on one, but only if that one on
one was fifteen years ago. Oh, we got so much
stuff to get to. But let's start with urban Meyer,
who has been placed on leave. It happened, I don't
know about thirty minutes after our show concluded yesterday, I

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turned it off. I'm walking to New York City. Were
broadcasting live from New York City all week. You can
see me on First Things First, that's Fox Sports one's
morning show, normally occupied by Chris Carter and our good
friend Nick Right, as well as General Wolf. All three
are off this week, so me, Chris Broussard, and Sarah
cru Stock are are filling in anyway. So I'm walking
around in New York and there it is suspended. Uh

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he's put, you know, put on leave as they're going
to start an investigation. What I said yesterday still holds true.
What did you know? When did you know? And what
did you do about it? I don't know if Urban Meyer,
if Urban Meyer um really didn't know about the two

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thou fifteen incidents, and neither do you you know who
does his bosses, And so whether or not he was
honest and forthcoming with the media at Big ten Media Day,
honest to goodness really doesn't matter. It just doesn't matter.
What does matter is if he was honest with his
his his bosses, because if he ran it up the flagpole,

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or if his wife ran it up the flagpole, if
they reported to the proper authorities and they didn't violate
Title nine, then he's good. But if it really was
the first he had heard about it, and his wife
really didn't run up the flagpole, and no one at
Ohio at Ohio State was aware of these accusations. Even
if unfounded were made against an employee of Ohio State

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University to another employee because his wife's an employee, well
then you feel like his goose is cooked. Here's Bruce
Feldman earlier today, Fox College Football Insider on the odds
that urban Meyer remains as head coach. Yesterday morning, around
this time, I was like, oh, there's probably a twenty
chance he may not survive this at Ohio State. By
the time I left here yesterday afternoon, I thought it

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was around fifty fifty and this morning, I think it's
even further and maybe you know a seventy five chance,
seventy five chance that he persent, chance that he doesn't
survive it, doesn't survive it. Play that for me one
more time. Round was just so you understand, because uh,
there's a little you have to truly listen to what
Bruce was saying, go ahead, rama's Yesterday morning around this time,

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I was like, oh, there's probably a chance he may
not survive this at Ohio State. By the time I
left here yesterday afternoon, I thought it was around fifty
fifty and this morning, I think it's even further and
maybe you know a seventy chance. This is what I
said yesterday a little bit, and I said it today
on TV, and I'll say it to you. Whether or
not abuse took place between Zack Smith and his ex

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wife Shelley honestly is not is not totally pertinent to it.
You know. The fact is that she made and it
was like seven calls to police. His attorney said, like, look,
our story is corroborated. But the fact is that she
reached out to urban Meyer's wife, and by reaching out

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to urban Meyer's wife, who does collect a check from
Ohio State. That starts the process of you out of report.
You got a report and Urban Meyer, we would assume
it's his it's his assistant coach. He had to know
that some of this was going on, and so look
he can act like he didn't know at Big ten

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media day. That's fine. You can. You can, in fact
lie to the media. I don't think it's I don't
think it behooves you to lie, especially in that situation,
because when you do lie, now a sudden we start
digging more. Guys like Brett mcburfy see it as Okay, wait,
the information I have is completely false. Let's keep digging.

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But you can't lie to your bosses. You just can't.
You know, everyone's making a huge deal over the treat
women with respect as part of there's a there's a sign,
a painted sign when you walk into the Ohio State
football locker room that says decisions treat women with respect.

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But above that is honesty. And the story of all
of these things is if you're honest with your boss,
if you do what the school lawyers and your athletic
director and your president tell you to do during times
of crisis, if you report thoroughly, then you will. Then
you have a much greater chance to survive even if

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somebody who is under your purview commits an awful crime.
That's that's the way it goes. So I do think
that some of this stuff has spun a little bit
out of control. We don't need know exactly what happened.
We can assume. And it does sound like it sounds
like Zack smiths a bad guy, like I'm willing to
I don't have any time for men who lay hands

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on women, but I do believe in due process. And
that's what his attorney at least is screaming for. But
I don't even think that part matters. Like that part
matters for Zach Smith, that part matters for his wife.
That part matters for what you know, what they're what
his future is or whatever. But the point is that

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she was She claimed that she was abused. She claimed
that this was a psycho a pattern, and that he
was a serial abuser. By his own accounts. Urban Meyer
knew of accusations in two thousand nine. The idea that
you knew of a problem and then six years later

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something happens and you have no idea when the guys
on your staff and it's in your town, come on, man.
So I don't want to offer up a percentage. But
when Bruce Feldman goes Hey, it's working closer towards se
chance he doesn't return. They've already named an interim coach.
You start to think in this day and age, In

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this day and age, schools have a tendency to not
want to fight, even for guys that are worth fighting.
Four So I wish, I I wish I knew what
the answer was. But I will tell you that if
he knew, and I'm using you knew, and he did
nothing about it. He didn't report it, he didn't he

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didn't counsel, he simply allowed it to play out, then yeah,
you know, I don't care if he's Bruce's grandson. These
are the types of things that gets you fired. These
are the types of things that gets you fired. Stug
Otlive Show here on Fox Sports Radio. I mean, just

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it really is amazing. I mean, the perfect example of
how well regarded his program is is there ranked third
in the country. And I know that that doesn't matter,
but look here, there is one thing about this story
which I do think is a good one. I really
do you know. Fans Oftentimes they asked the question, why

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did these college coaches make so much money? I mean,
it is the football coaches. What they make is ridiculous
at the highest level. And my answer to them is
here us exactly why. Two reasons. The first reason coaches
make a ton of what The first reason is because
the really really good ones are worth it when you

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win there they you win because of their ability to organize,
to gather a staff, to recruit, and to leave an
entire program. You represent the school, You represent the student body.
How your football team does really sets kind of the
entire stage for university. Additionally, yes, football makes a ton

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of money, but the reality is the real money with
schools is made with donations and endowments. And the way
you get donations and endowments is you get those big
boosters to come to the big football games and then
you hit them up for additional You don't like the
the fifty million dollars that big ten schools make off
of their TV rights, That money is spent on all

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of the other sports. That's not the real money. The
real money is made in donations and endowments, and that
is collected at big time college football games. That's the
wouldn't reason one, those guys are worth that money. The
second reason they ask they make so much money is
because it that way. It makes them so they're unfire
able during a bad season or two. I'm gonna move

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my family. I'm gonna completely invest everything I am is
going to be about the school. And one reason they
put together these ridiculous salaries is because if I have
a bad year, I can withstand it. It's it's people
ask all the time, why would Iowa? Why would Iowa
give Kirk Farrens this like ten year contract because it
takes the pressure off of Kirk Farrens to ever have

(10:38):
to take a gray area kid. You know what, if
we don't win a national championship at Iowa will live
with it. But Kirk Farrens eight times in ten is
going to have a really good season. And because he
has that long term contract, he won't cut steps. He
doesn't have to cheat, he doesn't have to take kids
that you don't want to date your own daughter. That's

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what that's that's why guys make long term huge money.
And the last reason is because they're responsible. Responsibility has
its cost. You're responsible for your players, You're responsible for
your coaches, you're responsible for everything around that program. And

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saying you didn't know and acting like it was out
of your purview that you're just now become aware, that's
that's lacking responsibility, to which that goes counter to everything
that we think of when we think of a guy
like Erwan Meyer. So do I I do think he's
probably going to lose his job. I just do. I

(11:40):
think that's the way these things have a tendency to go.
Whether or not it's fair, I don't know. I don't
know what he knew, But if he really didn't know,
then boys, it's it's on somebody else that should have
told him. I believe that he knew something was up.
I believe he knew it was a toxic relationship. He
may not have known the level of toxicity. But I
also and Key thought it's gone away. This is two fifteen.

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That thing is gone and we we we've completely moved on.
But there is no statute limitations on this stuff. That's
the other thing we've learned with the Me Too movement.
There's no statute limitations on bad behavior. We've all had
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take on Tiger Thanksgiving weekend. Tiger currently is playing at Firestone,

(12:47):
a place he's won eight times. But Phil versus Tiger
made me think what if we had Phil versus Tiger
fifteen years ago? And maybe more importantly, what else we
would love to have in terms of matchups, if we
could go back to last fifteen years that's upcoming next.
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Doug gottliv Show, Fox Sports Radio. M m m m
m m m m m. Really bothered by Tennessee fans

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and uh, they're there's they're they're not all this way,
but there's a percentage of losers out there who who
seemed to be taking great delight in the fact that
Greg Shiano was not named interim head coach at at
Ohio State, Greg Shann of course, former Tampa Bay Buccaneer
head coach, former Rutgers head coach, and uh he was
said to be the Tennessee head coach this past offseason

(13:57):
before vol Nation, led by Clay Tray of Us did
something which I find to be completely and totally embarrassing.
They revolted, and they did so based upon um. They
did so based upon the fact that he was on
staff for a period of time at Penn State when
Jerry Sandusky was on staff. That's embarrassing. I like Clay.

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I had Clay on yesterday in regards to this story.
He loves college football, but it was wrong. Using the
power and the influence that we have as national radio hosts.
When when you have when you offer up no proof,
zero of any sort of connection to Jerry Sanduski is wrong.
Clay was wrong, He was will and forever be wrong.

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He ruined a man's career, and so did the Vols fans.
And so what happens is the confirmation bias. Uh, Well,
see we didn't hire him, and now State knows they
did some background research. Now, you dummies, they couldn't mainten

(15:06):
him interim head coach because you put a scarlet letter
on him. Look, I don't know Greg Schiano from Adam.
I don't I know that. Anybody with the brain, anybody
that actually knows anything about football at all, knows what
he did at Rutgers was remarkable. Remarkable. Rutgers is uh

(15:30):
the oldest football They played in the first football game
ever in eighteen sixty nine. You wear that most people
want to wear that. I wasn't until, uh, until I
watched Greg Shiano, who took over a program that was

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in the four years, five years previous, five years previous,
guy named Terry Sheha was the head coach. Two wins
in ninety six, no wins in ninety seven, five wins,
one win, three wins. That's what he inherited when he
first entered the Big East. That's when Virginia Tech and

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Miami were both in the Big East. First year they
won two, then one, then five, then four, then seven
and eleven and eight and eight and nine, four and
then nine Before he left for the NFL. He built
a consistent winner, A program that hadn't been to a

(16:34):
bowl game since nineteen seventy eight went to bowl games
four consecutive years and five out of his last six years.
I mean, if you want to challenge, challenge somebody who
knows anything about football, Like I didn't say he's a

(16:55):
cheery dude. I didn't say he's a fun guy. Bill
Belichick squears by him. Didn't do a great job when
he was in Tampa, and there are stories galore about
the fact that he was a control freaking micro manager.
He wanted every room at sixty eight degrees in Tampa, which,
by the way, sounds lovely right about now, right, like

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I would go with sixty five, Like I like to
see my own breath, especially in a hotel room. Last night,
my my air conditioner went out in Manhattan. It was
hot and muggy and sticky and gross and whatever. But
a complete misrepresentation over what he did at Rutger's, considering
the program that he inherited and the ceiling that was
what was always built in there in Piscataway, combined with

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uh the very very loose tie to the Sandusky era,
led to a revolt because Tennessee fans didn't like him,
didn't like the higher. You cannot like the higher nobody
says you have to you can revolt the insta higher.
But I felt like they made up some tie like
he somehow is inca hoots with Jerry Sandusky, and that

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was gross. That was disgusting. Do do do do? Do? Do? Do? Do? Do? Do? So?
I I watched today on Twitter and vole fans sits
there and go say like, hey, if you're really dumb
enough to not understand the context of first, you tainted

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a man, you put a scarlet letter on his chest,
regardless of the fact that there there have been no
ties made ever to him and T and Jerry sand Sandusky.
Matter of fact, he's making one point five million dollars
to be the defensive coordinator House State widely regarded as
an outstanding defensive coach, outstanding head coach, good organizer, and

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leader of men. In addition to that, you're also going
right now, you wouldn't name an interim head coach that
has any sort of baggage or mock against them which
you created. Right. This is this is in many ways

(19:14):
similar to it relates to the urban meyer Tim Tebow
getting credit for comebacks back during Tebow time, Like, yeah, dude,
you were behind because you were terrible the first three
quarters putting out a fire you started then going look
at me. That doesn't mean you're free and clear of arson.

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So I personally think it's embarrassing, embarrassing, taking delight in
the fact that you ruined a man's career, not knowing him,
not knowing what he stands for, not knowing what he's accomplished.
I think it's embarrassing. I think it's one of the
worst things I've seen in social media. And yeah, I
hope Clay responsible home responsible, Uh, Tiger is gonna take

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on Phil Right. So Tiger Woods, Isaac and Crown is
gonna join us in a second as we'll get you
an update and then I believe we'll take you to
Columbus um In in mere moments. Bruce Juley, who who
who has his own morning show in SeaBus, is gonna
join us in about five or six minutes get an
update on Urban Meyer. So right now they're playing out
at at at at the W g C. Bridge Stone,

(20:20):
which is played at um at Firestone Country Club, the
South Course in Akron, Ohio. It's supposedly the home of
Lebron James, but it's really the home of Tiger Woods.
Tiger shot four under for the day a sixty six.
This is a place in which he's won eight times.
And Rory's in this tournament. He's actually five under. Bruce Keepka,

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Ricky Fowler, Jason Day, Justin Thomas, John rom there's a
very Tommy Fleetwood, Kevin Nah, there's a really Phills in this.
DJ is in it, Louis oust Hazen, There's there is
some swinging you know what's on those swinging clubs. I mean,
this is very, very good lineup of golfers. But the

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big news is that Tiger and Phil are gonna go
one on one Monoi mono at Shadow Creek in Las Vegas,
one on one golf around Thanksgiving weekend ten million dollars.
My first thing is, look, I like that they're gonna
play for ten million dollars, But shouldn't they be playing
for ten million of their own? It should also be
winner take all. And it's like ten years at least,

(21:25):
maybe fifteen years too late. This is this is like
if we could use the Back to the Future time machine.
Don't you wish we could go back and somehow manipulated
so that we had far versus Brady or Rogers versus Brady.
We've never gotten. Don't you wish we could? We could
go back in time and and get Kobe versus Lebron.

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We never got that in the NBA Finals. Heck, you
go back to last year. Don't you wish she had
Yankees versus Dodgers in the World Series. So I do
you think that Tiger is doing a little bit of
the Floyd Mayweather where he kind of bled out Manny
Pacia many Pakia, He waited him outlay Mayweather hasn't fought

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a fight in six years that he could not that
that he could lose. And by the time he had
fought Manny Paci out, Mannipacia was over the hill and
Manipacia had to shoulder problem. You know. Only he goes
and and fights a mixed martial artist who had never
been in a boxing ring, in a in a real

(22:31):
sanction fight ever before. Like, this guy is a genius.
But the biggest thing is with the biggest fight, the
biggest pay day was against Manny Pacial and he was
three or four years too late. Philvers this Tiger, we
wish we had on a Sunday at Augusta, on a
Sunday at a US Open, on a Sunday at the

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p g A. Instead, we'll get some one on one
at Shadow Creek and both are at least ten years
past their prime. Let's get to Isaac Lohan Crown find
out what else is going on in sports that afternoon.
Doug Ohio State announced today that players and coaches will
not be available to reporters and that all practices will
be closed until further notice due to the ongoing investigation

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into head coach Urban Meyer. The Buckeyes will begin training
camp tomorrow. Meanwhile, in the bad timing department, on Monday,
Bob Evans Restaurants announced a new endorsement deal that named
Urban Meyer as its new head breakfast coach. Well, today
they announced that they are suspending their partnership with Meyer

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pending the results of the investigation. So while Meyer is
no longer on the menu, fortunately the Buckeye Farmer's Choice
breakfast featuring three chocolate peanut butter hotcakes still is on
the menu with a choice of grits to boot. The
preseason coaches poll was released today. Almanac chocolate peanut butter pancakes,

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three of them, chocolate peanut butter hotcakes, and don't forget
the choice of grits that's key. Waiting for the calorie
count on that one. By the way, it should be
well above three thousand. Preseason coaches poll released today Alabama
number one, Clemson is number two, Ohio State third, followed
by Georgia and Oklahoma. The Tennessee Titans announced today that

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they're starting strong safety Jonathan Cyprian will be out for
the season after tearing his a c L yesterday in practice.
The Patriots signing receiver Eric Decker to a one year deal. Finally,
in Gulf Tiger Woods, four under sixty six today around
one of the Bridge Stone, currently three shots behind leader
Kyle Stanley, who shot a seven under sixty three today. Doug,
I'm gonna go have myself a Buckeye Farmer's Choice breakfast.

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Back to you, Uh, do you like grits? Have you
had you? Do you enjoy grits? I mean that that
sounds like one of the worst things for a human
being ever. Sounds delicious from the good folks with Bob
Evans right. Chocolate peanut butter pancakes. I love chocolate, I
love peanut butter. I love chocolate and peanut butter together.
They go together quite well, and I do, in fact,
like grits. But that sounds awful, especially because most people

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put butter on their grits. Right, So you put but
real butter on your grits with chocolate peanut butter pancakes
and maple syrup, and your your caloric intake is going
through the roof. But do you like grits, Isaac cron.
You know what, under the circumstances, I'll have it just
as a once in a lifetime meal and just not
eat for the rest of the week. But it's worth

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a try at least once if I do survive. So wait, no,
I mean grits aren't aren't terrible for you, It's it's
the things you add to the grits to make Yeah,
you know what, I don't mind it in in moderation.
You don't get a lot of restaurants with grits as
a side choice for breakfast on the West Coast, but
in other reasons other regions of the country. If you're there,

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you gotta go for the grits, baby. Yeah. Grits is
made of of maze of corn meal, if you will.
It's ground into course meal and then and then boiled. Hominy.
Grits is made from homony, which is uh, uh it's
treated and uh it's kind of blitzed a little bit
with some other stuff. But it's a breakfast dish and
it's good. The thing usually you know, you have cheese grits,

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or you can get uh, you know, shrimp and grits
as well, and sometimes that can have you know, butter
and polenta and other things added to it. But it's
a thick bord. It's not actually bad. It's not actually
bad for you. I'm jealous because out here in California,
you know, are our side choices for breakfast like kale spinach.
You you got the good stuff. Though in the rest
of the country with gritz man. Let me well, that's

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that's really below the Mason Dixon line. You get the grits.
Although um, although Ohio is not below, it's Midwestern. You
get a lot of meat for uh for for breakfast. UM.
Let's uh, let's welcome in Bruce Hooley, who of course,
UM if you know anything, if you know anything about
about local radio in uh in Columbus, Uh, Bruce has

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been doing it for a long time. UM. You can
also you can hear him with UM with Chris Bell,
Chris Spielman Spielman Hooley Monday through Friday, six am to
nine a m. On one of five seven the Zone
in Columbus. He's done afternoon Drive, He's done everything. He
knows as much about Buckeye sports as anyone I know
in the country, and he strongly opinionated, both positively and niggily,

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kind of the voice of reason. Bruce joins us on
the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Let
me start, Bruce with your reaction going back to last
week when when all this came out and they they
fired Zack Smith and and Urban had that press conference
to which he said he didn't know anything about it
at the time and was kind of terseeding his response.

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What was your reaction at the time, Well, I just
finished my show and I was on my way to
the golf course and I heard him go all in
on the incident never happened, and he said essentially that
it was details of it was fabricated. And I just
shook my head in a double take, and I instantly
texted a guy in the room and at the Big
Tent kickoff lunch and in Chicago, and I said, he

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just boxed himself into an unescapable corner. Why would he
do that? Because and I told my boss the next day,
I said, if they find text messages that proved that
he did, know, I'm not sure he'll survive this. And
my boss kind of rolled his eyes at me, and
he's like, YEA, out of your mind. He's Urban Meyer.
And I said, well, I remember a press conference in
December when Jim Trestle sat there while five players admitted

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to trading tattoos for memorabilia, and nobody thought if you
pulled on that thread, it would lead to Jim Trustle
being fired in on Memorial Day. But they pulled on
the thread and it did. And so I at the
time just thought Urban really attacked that in the exact
wrong way. And here we are a little while later
and he's on administrative leave. Okay. So then you fast
forward to yesterday when those those text messages that were

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not directly linked to him, and you're like, let's let's
be fair. Those text messages came out. Are those enough
of a smoking gun to prove he was lying? I
don't know that they're alone enough to prove that he
was lying. The ones from Courtney Smith to Shelley Meyer,
but also one that Brett McMurphy detail and his report

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go from Courtney Smith to Lindsay Voltalini. And you won't
find Brian Voltalini's name on Ohio State's football website. But
this is a guy who I've likened to um Winston
Wolf in pulp fiction. Every head coach needs a fixer,
a guy who takes things off his plate that he
doesn't want to deal with but have to be dealt
with nonetheless. And Mark Voltalini is a very loyal lieutenant

(29:29):
of urban Meyer. He was that with him at Bowling Green,
He's with him at Utah, he's with him at Gainesville,
He's with him in Columbus. I don't know about you, Doug,
but if I'm the wife of that guy, and my
existence and my family has moved four times to keep
up with a head coach, and I know something about
one of the other coaches committing domestic violence, I'm the wife.
I'm telling my guy because he's supposed to keep urban

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Meyer insulated from details like this. So nobody's seizing upon
the name Lindsay Voltalini and her text message that says
Urban as you know, Zack, This and that. But for me,
if you're just trying to prove he knew, that's more
damaging because of who it came from than you're a
hundred percent certain Shelley told Urban, although I think it's

(30:12):
absolute fantasy to think that she didn't tell him and
she kept it a secret for three years. Is it
possible that he that that this was whether it was
Shelley or Urban, did running up the chain of command
and simply lied to the media but didn't lie to
his bosses. Great question. I think that's the only escape
route I see here is if he, just like many coaches,

(30:36):
felt like, you know, I don't like you guys nosing
around in my business. I want to be as loyal
as I can to Zach Smith. So I'm gonna claim
to you I didn't know anything about it. But if
Ohio State has a you know, a form filled out
where Urban reported all this to his title nine coordinator
as athletic director, that is the one escape route I

(30:58):
see that Ohio State could position to plausibly keep him
as head coach. We don't know if that happened, but
I think that's their best chance, and and and and
how how will we know? I mean, wouldn't we already
know if he had reported to one of his superiors, Like,
wouldn't that? Isn't that that? That's that? That's like the
somebody asked you are you cheating on your wife? I

(31:20):
get back to you, right, Um, But wouldn't we already
know if he had in fact reported I was sure
of thinking that long ponderous afternoon yesterday, somebody at all
say would have said, hey, wait a minute, there's our
get out of jail free card. But like you said,
that didn't happen. They put him on administrative leave, which
I think, Um, I'm sure somewhere out there, if I

(31:42):
searched the ninth tenth eleventh page on a Google search,
I could probably find a coach who was put on
administrative leave and was brought back. But typically this is
a precursor to a party of the ways it is.
And then, uh, kind of interestingly, they chose not to
a point Greg Sianu as the interim head coach. Uh

(32:04):
you know, look, instead instead appointing an offensive coordinator who nationally,
nationally is a relative no name. Um, how much what
I said to start the show is like, look, I
Tennessee fans are taking great delight in this like see,
But isn't this because of the revolt at Tennessee over

(32:24):
the Ciano hiring in combination with the fact that here's
another scandal that they're trying to figure out what's what
and he's still he's still toxic at this point in
terms of leading a program. Yes, I think that. I
think you're on the money there. I also think they're
Ohio State would never admit that. First of all, what
they would say was, well, Greg Ciano is you know,
Urban Meyer's close one of his closest friends. It's probably

(32:47):
been referred to by Urban as his right hand man.
We can't have a guy taken over in that situation.
And oh, by the way, Doug greg Shanno, very successful
coach at Rutgers, who was his most successful player at Rutgers. Great, Yeah,
I don't think that helped Greg Ciano there. And Kevin
Wilson they couldn't have because he was so walked away
from Indiana under very suspicious circumstances with allegations of mistreating players. Right,

(33:10):
They're they're just both too toxic for this situation. Situation. Um, okay,
So if you were to judge, if you were to
go percentages that urban Meyer loses his job over this thing.
What would you say? It is? Um, I gotta I
really think that this is just there's the other thing

(33:31):
we haven't talked about. We're in a climate, ohiouse state
right now where they have had two other class action
lawsuits filed against them recently, big news in Columbus not nationally,
a diving the rest of the wrestling doctor right and
the wrestling thing. So you add this on and we're
in also in the confluence of the me too movement
where powerful men who commit or enabled domestic violence or

(33:54):
sexual violence are in the crosshairs and rightly so I
think it's the long climate to try to be marching
into a press conference defending things that look really bad.
Crazy crazy? How how fast these things turn? Right? I mean,
I'll tell you what's crazy. The two most successful coaches

(34:17):
they've had in terms of beating their arch rival Michigan,
Jim Trestle and urban Meyer could very well both be
um you know, leave the school under very uh strange
circumstances because Jim Tressel aligned himself with Terrell Prior and
urban Meyer aligned himself with Zach Smith. Amazing amazing stuff,

(34:38):
Bruce said, Unfortunately, it gives your radio show a ton
to talk about instead of talking about the Buckeyes opener
against Ohio against Oregon State. Really appreciate you join us.
Thanks for giving us a ton of context. You're on
Fox Sports Radio. My pleasure, go have some grits does
that's Bruce Hooley, who's a super talented long time UH

(34:59):
sports radio host in Columbus. Of course, has written for
the Cleveland Plain Dealer as well. This is the Doug
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(35:50):
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(36:12):
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welcome hearing some acapella Gottlieb. With that in mind, what
do we have today? Guess guess which former New York

(36:54):
Jet is expected to sign with the defending a f
C champion Patriots. Wasn't asking you, coach, I was asking
Doug uh Eric Decker correct one day after they released
Jordan Matthews. Are gonna bring in Eric Decker, who last
season played for the Titans, catching fifty four balls for

(37:14):
five D sixty three yards. He'said at a Foxboro He
is head to Foxborough course. They've had George Matthews is hurt.
He placed on I are really bad. Hamstring pull probably
hamstring tear. Uh. They're waiting on Julian Edelman and so look,
we'll see if Eric Decker. The thing with Eric Decker was,
remember he's paid like a number one, but he's really
a number two or number three. Those are the type

(37:35):
of guys that actually fit in really well with the Patriots.
It's more about knowing where you're supposed to be than
it is about pure athletic prowess. They have Cordarod Patterson.
If they want to have somebody just run long, they
don't need that from Eric Decker. I'm fascinating to see
if this works. Guess which former Heisman Trophy winner is

(37:55):
a little worried about starting at quarterback for his new team.
M mm hmm. Former Heisman Trumph equal quarterback worried about
starting at quarterback for his new team new team? Did
Sam Bradford. I'll give you a hint, think a little

(38:18):
more north than that. In fact, perhaps a lot more
north than that, a lot more north, a lot more north.
A few years ago, he might have been at a
club or in Vegas the night before a game. Johnny Manzel,
here you go, one of the newest members of the

(38:41):
Montreal Alouettes, will be starting for the CFL team this
Friday against the Mighty Hamilton's Tiger Cats. His agent called
it insane that they're starting Manzel just two weeks after
signing him. Way to advocate for your client, their agent.
Uh yeah, Look, I think it's gonna be fascinating to

(39:01):
see if he's really ready for this. But we'll find out.
It is tomorrow night on ESPN two, and I think
the whole world will be watching, indeed, particularly in Canada.
Back to the NFL. Guess which Pro Bowl safety is
expected to be traded in the coming weeks. Earl Thomas
correct NFL executives expect his hold out to end with

(39:25):
a trade from the Seahawks. He actually posted about the situation,
and of course the Players Tribune earlier today post and quote,
if you're risking your body to deliver all of this
value to an organization, then you deserve some sort of
assurance that the organization will take care of you if
you get hurt. It's the reason I'm holding out unquote.
But bye, you know, like, look, dude, you're playing football.

(39:47):
You're playing football. We've just seen to Seattle Seahawks have
to retire in their prime because of because of head
and neck injuries. You know, So, I mean you can,
you can your well, I'm not gonna argue with you
that you are putting your audi online. This is football.
You signed up for football. That's the only thing you're
capable of doing. And I'm sorry that you don't like

(40:07):
the deal that you got. Sorry, but that's the that's
the sport in which you play. Finally, in the NBA,
guess which world champion dismissed rumors of getting sucker punched
us Draymond Green, correct posting on Instagram of his reputed
tete a tete with Tristan Thompson. Quote, I've enjoyed y'all

(40:29):
stories and talk shows over the last couple of days.
Them joints inaccurate, do g I'd carry on my good
people unquote. I have no idea what any of that
means this is game time on the Duck gottli Show.
I love ear Old Thomas, but I tire of the

(40:51):
narrative of that. You know, um that you know WHOA
we we we don't get paid they did. You got
a front loaded contract. Now you don't like the contract
you signed. We'll get to that. Read his piece next
in the Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. M M
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(41:11):
steamy New York City, I mean steamy New York City.
Man is it hot? Man? Is it steamy? I hope
you're having a great, great week getting ready for the weekend.
You can check me out on First Things First Tomorrow,
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(41:33):
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(41:57):
One of my favorite comedic bits is by a guy
named Bill Burr. Ramos. You you're familiar with Bill Burr.
You know the name is familiar, but I can't tell
you I've seen a stand up act of his lately, Gavin,
what about you? Are you? Are you a? Do you
like stand up comedy? Do you know who Bill Burr?
I love Bill Burr. Also, the Monday Morning podcast is great. Yes,

(42:20):
Bill Burr has his Monday Morning Cup podcast. Um, he's
you know, look not Everything he's done is is hilarious
and it's funny. Uh he was in he had cameos
and Daddy's Home and Daddy's Home too. But he has
a he has a stand up comic and a podcaster,
and he has some really really funny bits. His second

(42:43):
funniest bit, the second funniest bit is the one about
getting married, right He'll say, he says something along the
lines of like, uh, I get to see where do I?
Where I? Where I get in line to lose half
my stuff? Is this the line lose half my stuff?
It's very, very funny. The funniest bit I've ever seen
him do. And maybe it's because I'm a sports guy.

(43:06):
It's Doug Golip Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Bill
Bird did a piece. I did a bit after the
Malice at the Palace. You guys, remember the Malice of
the Palace's weird. It's been a long long time. It's
been over a decade since the Malice of the Palace.
Of course. That was the Detroit Pistons taking on the
Indiana Pacers, Ben Wallace and the Pists of the Bad Boy,

(43:30):
you know, the second incarnation of the Bad Boy Pistons,
Tayshaun Prince, et cetera, going against the Indiana Pacers and
run our Test was at his peak, run our tests
before he was met a world peace. Of course, there
was a kerfuffle, little scuffle on the floor. Run our
Test was laying down somebody through a cup. Run our
Test lost his mind, goes goes into the stands and

(43:54):
they just start wiping people out. We was a brawl
on the floor, became a brawl in the stands, and
it was I had to be a really scary moment
in the moment. And and the beauty to comedians, Beauty
to comedians, they can make us laugh over almost anything. Well,
Bill Burr's bit is basically the idea is, hey, for

(44:15):
fifty years, you go to a ball game and and
some idiot and stands is yelling down at guys in
a football field and a baseball field and a basketball court, going,
how are you so tough? Why don't you come up here?
They did, you know, just taking out rows of guys
with a punch and run our test, just punching the

(44:37):
wrong dude, not even knowing, just because he'd lost his mind.
The idea behind it is, you know what fans have
had it coming to him. I've been the stands and
I'm I'm sickened by some of the things that I hear.
Maybe I'm not a good enough fan, but I just
don't dislike anybody, even the players. I really dislike enough

(45:00):
to even bring myself to boom, let alone yell some
of the things I hear yelled at players or officials.
So I I take that and I start I understand
what Kevin Durant is doing. Kevin Durant tweeted at tweeted
at some woman who's an Oklahoma City Thunder fan. What

(45:23):
happened was yesterday where on first things First, Chris bruss
are you can hear in the odd couple weekends here
on Fox Sports Radio, Chris Brussard said, Hey, um um,
I got a d M or he said a text.
I got a text from Kevin Durant. This is going
back over a year ago about how he's acting differently,

(45:47):
and k D said, this is who I really am,
not who I was in Oklahoma City. So our digital team,
the social team at First Things First tweeted that out.
And there's a there's a I guess it's a woman
names uh At. My name is underscore Kaylee. She has

(46:13):
followers including Dwight Howard and my boy Mark Rogers and uh,
Kayley said. Kayley said that that he's a he's a
clown now And so of course Kevin Durant could have
let it go. It popped up in his mentions, but

(46:34):
instead he tweeted it out and said, here's now you
get the clout that you wanted. I guess it means
the tout that you wanted, or by retweeting it, everyone
can see it in his timeline. People tweet at you,
they don't know one goes through your timeline to find
out every different comment made about you. Only you can
do that. But if you retweet it now everyone can

(46:56):
see it. Kevin Durant has over seventeen and followers on
Twitter seventeen million. This is after they had the bot purge.
This is a real seventeen seventeen million accounts, It's a lot.
So look, he basically echoed. It became an echo chamber
of negativity, and Katie allowed it to happen by simply

(47:19):
pushing one click on his phone. And I guess what
Katy is doing by clapping back at people are exposing
them and some of the nasty things they say about him.
I guess what he's doing is, Hey, you know what
for all this time you said come up here, come
up here, I'm coming up there. All this time people

(47:40):
tweet at you. I got people who tweet at me
all the time, you know, two times in my life. Uh,
probably more than that. I remember when when this is
before before Twitter ever took place, for it never took place.
I was at ESPN and I was doing a chat room.
Do you guys married chat rooms? So I was doing

(48:01):
a chat room and I was engaging in regards to
college basketball, and a couple of guys, UH asked some
questions that weren't really questions. There were statements about my past,
and I just let him have it. I was I
did the whole Uh, I didn't curse But what I
did do was I went at them and what I
thought was a really sarcastic, funny, slightly caustic way. One guy,

(48:25):
I asked him to ask his mom where my shoes,
my Jordan's were. I think I left left them under
her bed. The other guy, I said, hey, man, when
you say thirty minutes or less with my pizza, make
sure it's thirty minutes or less. I just kind of
tried to clown some guys. It wasn't as well received
from my bosses at ESPN as I thought it should

(48:47):
have been. Their point was these are the these are
the fans of ESPN, and you making fun of them
doesn't make it doesn't help our business. But I kind
of just had it. Frankly, I had a long time
ago of social media, so um, I understand what Kevin Durant.

(49:07):
I understand the Hey, these people have had to come
for a long time. So if I go back at them,
if this is who I really am in real life,
if you talk trash to me, I'll talk trash back
to you. But just like the Malice of the Palace,
ends up creating a narrative that follows around. He's like, look,
it's it's obviously words for the rad artests of the world,

(49:29):
the other guys that that went into the stands, I
don't understand on August one and August two, what's to
win for Kevin Durant like proving to people you're not
gonna take it anymore, and you're gonna tweet at them
every time you do. They're like ants, and the best
thing you can do is to just pretend like they

(49:50):
don't exist. Don't tweet at them, mute um or pretend
like they don't exist, because the second you try and
kill one ant of the fingers smush him, now of
a sudden, there's five more ants, and not necessarily because
they don't even like you, but because they think you're
gonna retweet and tweet at them, which somehow gives them

(50:12):
some Twitter credit. I understand the joke of Bill Burr.
I get it. Hey, hey, come up here, come up here.
They went up there, They wiped out a row of dudes,
even punching the wrong guy. It's hilarious. It wasn't the
right play. The same is true for Kevin Durant. Just

(50:34):
because people are tweaking you left and right and trolling
you and calling you soft. I I understand the emotion
of I mean, who doesn't who doesn't do that? When
I was that's that's something that's indelible in in my brain.
First place I worked with ESPN. I was there for

(50:55):
ten years nine as a very happy employee, very happy.
I got offered a five year contract to remain. I
chose to go elsewhere. When I left, all of my
bosses to a man said, man, you're leaving in good stead. Here.
We loved having you here. You're trying something new. Congratulations,

(51:16):
we wish you the best. It was an incredibly gracious
and classy gesture of them to give me an extra
little bit of time to get myself together. They were great.
I felt great. I was sad about leaving the place,
but I want to try something new. A couple of
years later, I had a couple of people, not everybody,
but a couple of people say some negative things uh

(51:39):
to me about when I was there, which weren't true.
But what happens is when you leave a place, there's
gonna be some bitterness because other people wish they got
the opportunity that you got with you when you're there
or elsewhere. I learned a really hard lesson. It's never
gonna be the same. You try and go back, it's
not you're not gonna be able to recreate it. But

(51:59):
more than anything, you leave a school, you leave a job,
you leave a relationship, and people are gonna make themselves
feel better about you leaving by sometimes taking shots after
you're gone. That's what's happened to Kevin Durant. Instead, he's
got to have the ability to process and go like, hey,

(52:19):
that's what's going on there. Meanwhile, I've won two NBA titles,
two NBA Finals, m v P s. I just had
some new shoes come out. I got all the money
in the world. I'm living in a great play living
in San Francisco. Teams moving to San Francisco. I got
a chance I'll be the favorite to win another championship.
Life is good, but I get that it's hard and

(52:42):
sometimes people do have it coming to them. S Doug
Olive show here on Fox Sports Radio. Three time NBA
Slam Dunk champion Nate Robinson will join us. We'll get
his thoughts on athletes clapping back on social media, and
we'll find out We'll find doubt If Tristan Thompson mushed

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m m m mmm. Uh. Rick Pettino says he's gonna

(53:46):
tell say where the bodies are buried. Huh. That's uh,
that's that's fascinating, absolutely fascinating. By the way, Lead Cork
documents former Louisville basketball coach Rick Pattino intentionally failed to
notify University of officials that former agent Adidas executive were
involved in the Cardinals problematic recruiting of Brian Bowen. According

(54:06):
to court records filed by the university's Athletic association's attorney.
Bowen's family allegedly received a hundred thousand dollars from Adidas
for him to sign with the Cardinals in two thousand seventeen.
The school said Patino also ignored red flags after hearing
that DePaul had offered two hundred thousand dollars for him
to play basketball there. In the university's response to Patino's

(54:27):
July eleventh moment motion for partial summary judgment in his
lawsuit against the schools, its attorneys argued that Patino quote
engaged in miss contact where he intentionally ignored red flags
relating to Bowen's recruitment. So look, all this this stuff
is gonna come out. It's gonna look really bad for
Rick Patino. According to text messages that were attached the

(54:49):
university's motion, Patino texted Dawkins. That's the guy who outed
everybody at least a dozen times about Bowen. Between April
two thousand fifteen and September two thousand seventeen, Dawkins texted
Patino about Louisville's interest in Bowen. Coach. This is Christian Dawkins.
I've dealt with you on Jalen Johnson, Would you have

(55:10):
an interest in Brian Bowen or are you done recruiting?
Pettino said, we'd love to have him. Then they talked
on the telephone. There's enough text trail, there's enough money
trail here, There's there's enough smoke to which Rick Pettino,
uh was was rightfully fired. I'm fascinating to see what

(55:31):
happens when he releases his memoir. Fascinating to see if
he'll bring others down, or if we even sell himself out,
or if it's simply will be, Hey, I'm gonna vindicate
myself of everything. Ever, but Rick Pettino has got some
tales to tell. Man tales to tell at Providence College.
I when first he was at Boston Youth and he said,

(55:53):
Providence College. Uh, he took them to the final four,
you know. Then he goes, he goes to New York Knicks, Kentucky,
Boston Celtics, Louisville and now fighting for his credibility Conna.
Be interesting to see what happens there. We've got a
lot to catch up with in regards to the NBA.

(56:14):
Let's welcome in a three time Slam dunk champion you
can see him on The Big Three on Fox. Nate
Robinson joins us on the Doug Gottlm Show here on
Fox Sports Radio. Nate Big Three is so physical, I
mean so so physical. Do you do you like it
or do you wish there's a little bit more freedom
of movement, a little bit more ability to to show
your freak athleticism and you still have Oh no, I

(56:37):
mean it's cool, it is, hope. I mean that's how
it is in the summertime when you play and pick up.
You know, nothing's easy. So it's just it's just how
I'm supposed to be. What's what's what's the most difficult
thing for for a guy who has played at the
absolute highest level in the adjustment to playing in the
half court game. Uh, pretty much guys just posting up

(56:58):
the whole time. That's the biggest. Uh, that's the biggest
thing right now. That's Uh. I wouldn't say it hardest
to just too, just because every every night I see
the same thing every every Friday, and just the guy's
posting up. And I don't think there's no skill involved
in that really, because yeah, I I agree with you.
It's like when you play your big brother in the
driveway and they just back you down like that doesn't

(57:19):
prove your basketball shot over you year. So there's really
no skill involved, was there. But I mean, for me defensively,
I just want to show that I can play in
the post. And god, are just not you know, getting
easy buckets. You may you may score it once or twice,
you know, and maybe getting lucky three times, but throughout
the course of the time, you know, you have more
misses than makes against me for sure, of course. And
and that's why what's interesting is more teams don't go

(57:40):
for the four point play, right like the wouldn't wouldn't
the numbers tell you that if you can score a
bucket that's worth two points more than a post up,
you do it all the time. Oh well, it's it's
not as easy like you guys will playing defense way
out there, so you gotta kind of like walk into it.
If you're not. It's a guy that is a nonshooter,
then you'll give him that shot because you don't you
don't think you're gonna make you But I wouldn't dare

(58:02):
me to shoot that for I'm gonna shoot it though
it's pretty far thoughts on Lebron to the Lakers. I mean,
it's cool. I mean, it's what everybody's doing now. So
if you know he's playing for one of them, you know,
the most you know, popular franchises in basketball history. So uh,

(58:22):
you know, he's one of the probably if not the great,
is one of the greatest players to ever played the game.
And you know he's in l a and it's it's
gonna be fun. I can't wait to see, you know,
see him play. How how likely are they to be
a contender this year? Like in terms of the makeup
of that team that got those young guys, he's gonna
we're gonna see that. You know, they're gonna get better,

(58:43):
but they're still young. And then you've got some of
those old heads, which I would assume would come off
the bench, um, you know, the Rondo's of the world
Lance Lance for example, How likely do you think that
roster becomes competitive at the top of the West. I
just think that everybody just needs to play their role,
and I think that's how they're gonna they're gonna win.
They just can continue just to build each day and

(59:06):
and knowing what the who's the first unit and what
shots are supposed to be you know, taken by like
specific guys, and I think that they have a chance.
But if not, they can't figure it out and get
it rolling. And but you know, maybe they might not
have the season they want. And the Robinson joining us
on the Doug Gottlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio.

(59:26):
Kau I wanted out of San Antonio. They send him
to Toronto. Do you think they can get him to stay?
Who knows? I mean, uh, you know, guy, like you said,
guys want to team up and play with you know,
with other guys, and I don't know it's gonna be
you know, Kaad. You know he's he's having his his

(59:47):
his media and how he's you know, halving his going
to different teams his way. So we're just gonna wait
and see. Um, you're playing do you playing Bay Route
this year? You're playing next year in Beyrout? What's that
for overseas? Yeah? Well, I haven't signs anything yet if
the Sun official yet, but uh, that team has been,
you know, been every targeting me for I probably because
this year for sure, if I you know, if I

(01:00:09):
can't get invite to camp. But I just want to
play some more basketball. So I got a lot of
basketball to be played, and uh that that most likely
as the next stop. All right, you played, you played
in Venezuela, right, I know you played Maccabi television in
Israel playing venezel I've heard, I've heard awesome things like
I've heard Venezuela super competitive. They pay a bunch of
money for a shortened season that's in the spring. What

(01:00:30):
was it like to play basketball in Venezuela. It was fun,
It was physical, many, it was a lot of family
going on. I know that for the well, I know
for they were foul, you know, the crap out of
me a lot every game. So it was but it
was fun. Man. It was the fans. It was like
two fans every game at home games. It was crazy.
It was fun. Man. They they the countries like, you know,

(01:00:53):
they're a great They're great collectively as a as a,
as a as a whole you know, as family. The
whole country is crazy, all rocked together. And I love that.
What do you what do you eat? Down? There? A
lot of mangoes. I climb on. I climbed the mango
tree for the first time of my life. I've never
seen a mango tree so that was pretty cool. My
teammates took me to that this big, ginormous mango tree

(01:01:15):
and we climbed the tree and got a lot of
big old main they called the mangas because they're so big.
That's that's that's wild. What about I played in Israel?
You played my copy Tel Aviv, that's the number one
team in Israel. Did you like that experience? Yeah, that's
where it's pretty cool. It was uh, sunny every day,
you know, beautiful beaches. Uh uh. The basketball play was awesome.

(01:01:38):
You know, you know, their league was fun. Their fans
are amazing. I played for Harpo and I enjoyed my
time there. I end up scoring like forty six points
one game against Jerusalem, So that was that was pretty cool.
Nate Robinson joining us in the Doug Gotlip Show. Big
Three is in Boston tomorrow night. Uh TD Bank Garden,
going back kind of kind of home, right, Like you're

(01:02:00):
a you're a former Celtic. What's it gonna be like
to be back in that parquet floor. It's gonna be
like magic man, It's gonna be fun. I metrifying. The
fans have always showed me love here in Boston so
I'm excited to you know, to play tomorrow TV Gardens.
I know Big Baby as as well. Uh, And I'm just, uh,
I can't wait, Like you know, I got that that
a little nervous jitter is ready to go. And you know,

(01:02:23):
just to see the fans and all the kids that
and that come to show in love and support to
the Big Three into into basketball everywhere or something. I'm
just I'm really excited. Who is the funniest dude? Like
big Babies a funny dude? Obviously you got scal another
another former another former Celtic. Uh, you've got some other
funny dude. Who's the funniest due in the Big Three? Drew?

(01:02:44):
Drew Gooden is pretty funny. Yeah, he has that that
that yet that that Bay Area swag. So he's you know,
he's always a good time somebody you know to be
around because he he he's pretty funny. Baron Davis is
pretty funny? How often How often is Drew? How often
is russay the word hella does heat? Because every everything

(01:03:04):
he do, man, that was hella funny. I got hella jumpers.
He says that he says hella after everything. I know,
I know it's a. It's a. It's a like a
real crutch for duds in the Bay Area, they can't
say a sentence without saying hella. Much like dudes to
the Northeast, like from Boston, they say wicked. It's wicked awesome,
Like it's guys from Seattle. You guys don't have you

(01:03:26):
guys don't have like a crutch word like that. Yeah,
we got hella. We say hemlen. And we say when
something is filthy, like when something is dope or fresh,
we say filthy. All right, well, listen, when you dunk
and you dunk on people, it is filthy. Take a shower.
We'll see you tomorrow night in the Big Three. Nate Robinson, Nate,
thanks so much for joining us. Thanks for having peop
appreciate it. Nate Robinson joining us in the Doug gotlip

(01:03:46):
Shaw on Fox Sports Traders. Get to your Isaac Glowing Crown.
That's so funny about the Venezuela thing Isaac is that
he hasn't signed yet to play in Lebanon. I want
to ask him about it, but somebody already put it
up on his I was looking in a bunch of
articles on him. It's already up on his wiki page.
There's other articles that he's already signed there. He's like
a silent signed there yet. But Uh, I kind of

(01:04:08):
live in my dream like that was my that was
my plan when I came out of school. I wanted
to coach. I want to play as long as I
can play than either coach or do broadcasting. And I thought,
will play in a different country every year and I'll
learn a different language, a different culture. I played in
three different countries. Uh tour traveled and played road games
in ten other countries. But he's already been to Venezuela,

(01:04:29):
which is more of a spring league that guys guys
playing the G League or the D League, then they
go play in Venezuelas. You can make up some of
the money. You can make fifteen to twenty grand a month,
make up for the fact you don't make a bunch
of money in the G League anyway. Um, starting to
live that kind of that that life, keep yourself in
shape and just playing tour of the world. Yeah, great
cultural experience and for people of the age where they're

(01:04:49):
now becoming parents and having families, a great cultural experience
for their children as well. We begin done with College
Football and Ohio State, announcing today that players and co
is will not be made available to reporters and then
all practices will be closed until further notice due to
the ongoing investigation into head coach Urban Meyer. Training camp

(01:05:10):
with the Buckeyes begins tomorrow. In a related story, Bob
Evans Restaurants today announced that it has suspended its new
endorsement deal with Urban Meyer, who was unveiled as the
chain's new head breakfast coach just this past Monday. Myer's
three day stint as head breakfast coaches believed to be

(01:05:32):
the shortest head coaching tenure since Josh McDaniels with the Colts.
The preseason coaches Paul in College Football released today Alabama
number one, Clemson number two, Ohio State number three, followed
by Georgia and Oklahoma NFL. The Tennessee Titans announced today
that starting strong safety Jonathan Cyprian will be out for
the season after tearing his a c L yesterday in practice.

(01:05:54):
Among potential replacements, Titans head coach Mike Vrabel said today
that the Titans will contact the agent for free agent
safety Eric Read for a potential try out. The Patriots
signing receiver Eric Decker to a one year deal. Finally
dug in golf Tiger Woods of four under sixty six
today around one of the Bridstone currently three shots buying
co leaders Kyle Stanley and Ian Poulter. All yours appreciate,

(01:06:20):
Doug got Lee Show, Fox Sports Radio, h thank you
so much, Isaac. Okay, so I read this, Isaac. Did
you read the Earl Thomas letter on the players Tribune? Yes?
What's what? What's your takeaway on the Earl Thomas letter.
I understand where he's coming from because I've always been
such a big fan of his. But that's one thing

(01:06:41):
that I've never understood about the NFL. Not only did
the players sign these individual contracts, but the collective bargaining
agreement was signed by their players Association, who I think
should try to steal Michelle Roberts away from the NBA
Players Association. But that's a different issue. What why would
they try and steal Michelle? I mean, the contracts the

(01:07:02):
NBA players have had, they're they've been good back before
Michelle Roberts. I mean, just if we're so um yeah, look,
we're like we're just like kidding ourselves about the sport
you know, the thing about the NBA is the thing
about the NBA is your Your body can hold up.
Everybody can hold up to the pounding of the NBA.

(01:07:22):
It just can't. So here here's what he wrote. Um
right away, right away. I want to make something clear.
I don't like doing this kind of stuff. This from
Earl Thomas. It's like an openly pen letter. Um. He
goes on, If you know anything about me, this is
not who I am. But I I can't do any
of that right now. I'm in a situation where I
feel like I really have to say something. A lot

(01:07:44):
of people talk about how short the average NFL career is.
They're right. Over the years, I've seen a lot of
talented players come and go. What you discover pretty quickly
is that in order to survive football, football demands everything
of you, not just physically mentally, but emotionally as well.
My feeling is if you managed to survive, especially managed
to thrive in this league, then that's something that should

(01:08:06):
be acknowledged, something that should be respected. He goes on
to talk about your body being at risk and the
reason why I'm asking the Seattle Seahawks to do so
to you know, to give me a new contract, offer
me an extension or trade mew team that wants me
to be part of their future. I wish I was
in camp right now. I'm and I'm talking right now.

(01:08:27):
I'm ready. I'm preparing my body all offseason to be
in an NFL camp. But I have something I'd like
to say. And I'm the player. Uh, I'm the same
player that am. I the same player came in this league. No,
I'm a lot better part of what comes from the
work that I put in, but also comes to the
thing I've learned. Basically, he goes through all the different

(01:08:53):
things that he's learned and how this is a business,
and he wants to the last contract I signed in Seattle,
I did it with the legion of Boom in mind.
I think our unit will be remembered as the great,
as one of the greatest in history. And all I
wanted was to be able to keep us together. But
one by one, pretty much all of our guys left,
and a lot of time not not on great terms.

(01:09:13):
Of course, we all know we're risking everything we take
every time we take the field. But that Thursday night
game really cemented it in my mind, which is your
entire life can change on one play, and when it does,
no matter what you've accomplished, you still can get cut,
even without as much as a negotiation. That's what happened
to Richard Sherman to tours Achilles tendon, one of the

(01:09:36):
all time greats, and I knew it could happen to
me too. Like the idea that Earl Thomas goes, like, Hey,
Richard Sherman tours Achilles tendon and he got cut because
of it, and that's why I want a new contract.
That that is, Those are just non sequiturs. You're twenty
nine years old. You signed a contract that was front loaded.
You signed it. If he didn't want a long term deal,

(01:10:00):
don't sign a long term deal. But you're under contract
for a year. Oh yeah. By the way, Earl Thomas
went into the Cowboys locker room after they played the
Dallas Cowboys in Dallas and told the coach of the
Dallas Cowboys, when I'm available, come get me. Like this
idea that he's some loyal guy and the Seattle Seahawks
would show him some loyalty and give him a long

(01:10:21):
term contract. Like, dude, are we all blind? You play
a sport which is super violent. You play on a
team to which Richard Sherman uh towards Achilles ten and
two other players had neck injuries so that they'll never
play football ever again. And you want us, you want
teams to double down and give you more money that
we don't know what your future looks like. Dude, you
have a job getting the camp and at the end

(01:10:44):
of the year, if you're still able, you can either
beat franchise tag and make an average of the top
five hours of your position, or go on your merry
way and sign as a free agent. But the idea
that you're owed something because you play a sport to
which one play can end it like that, that doesn't
make any sense. How does this make any sense to you?

(01:11:05):
You know, I play a really hard and demanding sport.
Let me let me explain something to to to athletes
that all of us who and I'm a former athlete
who's now a broadcaster. But if you're in sales, if
you're this idea, well, it requires so much mental and
physical So does any really hard job? Tell me the

(01:11:26):
job that's the layup? Let me find that one out
and doesn't exist. Now are you putting your body in danger. YEP.
That's why you get paid as much as you do.
That's why you get paid as much as you do.
I think Earl Thomas is a great player. I think
he's probably worth more than his contract. But he got

(01:11:48):
paid more than he was worth at the start of
this contract. And this idea of trade me or give
me a contract extension or I won't play. I think
he's gonna be traded. He'll probably get another deal. Seattle's
reworking their their defense because guys get old and they

(01:12:09):
get gone. That's what happens. Richard Sherman was a cancer
at times within the locker room, calling out the offense,
making the offense uh kind of defensive about his comments
towards Russell Wilson towards the play calling. And then he
got hurt, which allowed him to get cut, and he

(01:12:30):
signed with the San Francisco forty niners. And he'll get
two chances a year at least to prove the Seahawks wrong.
But that has nothing to do with Earl Thomas. Nothing.
Earl Thomas is a really good player, a tremendous player,
and in his size, at his age, he's had way

(01:12:50):
more longevity than anyone could have thought m but but
this argument that he's making makes zero sense. None. None
are Jon Gruden's old school ways holding his new team back.
We'll dive in next. Be sure to catch live editions

(01:13:14):
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(01:13:35):
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(01:13:57):
Gruden holding onto the path won't work for the Raiders.
What worries me about John Gruden is the other stuff,
not the schematics, not the rule changes. The world has
changed in ten years. Ten years ago, a coach, an
old white male coach, could walk into a locker room
that's diverse and say no politics, and it was understood

(01:14:19):
if the old ball coach walks into an NFL locker
room and says that today he's racially insensitive or worse.
There was no Twitter, there was no Instagram, there was
no Snapchat. The players weren't empowered the players today, and
rightfully so have an opinion John Gruden will figure out
all the football stuff. I don't think you'll figure it

(01:14:39):
out immediately. But the world's changing now. And that's what
worries me about the Khalil Max situation. The best defensive
player arguably in the NFL, and John Gruden hasn't talked
to him since February. That's not a schematic thing. That's
the way it used to be thing. So I worry
when I read this story, and I gotta be honest,
I laughed at the headline. Jared Cook says, John Gruden

(01:15:02):
is showing the Raiders quote old grainy film from like
nineteen seventy six. I just don't think this thing is
gonna work long term. I don't know about long term.
I think short term. He whatever message he's trying to relay,
it seems to be uh, it sometimes can come up short.

(01:15:22):
It's a very It's a very um kind of slippery
slope there, right. Like you you want to educate players
on the past. If you don't know history, you're deemed
repeat it. On the other hand, when you throw in
old footage, when you when people look at offense and
the wide receivers are in a three point stands, that's

(01:15:42):
just really hard to relate it relay to guys. It
just is no matter, no matter. But we also don't
know the messages that he's trying to relate. He may
try and say, hey, look let's go back, let's go
back to the old John Madden raiders. Look at this, this,
this exact same thing is what we're doing today. History does,
in fact repeat itself. These blocking techniques still work, these roots,

(01:16:04):
this rude combinations, route combination still works. I don't know
what he's trying to tell people. I do know that
if if Gruden, if Gruden was honest with himself, or
if I was going to give Gruden some advice because
he was a very good coach. You know, people pick
apart not making the playoffs to the last five years
in Tampa. Dude, he did a great job in Tampa.

(01:16:26):
He's an awesome coach. Anyone who said otherwise, that's just
not not accurate. He was a really good coach and
the Raiders fell off, Like one year after he left.
He left Bill Callahana a super Bowl team, should have
made the super Bowl with the tuck rule, didn't. Then
he leaves, gets traded for and they make the Super
Bowl and lose two. By the way, John Gruden in Tampa,
he was good. But when you're coming back and you've

(01:16:49):
been out for a decade, you gotta hire people that
know what you don't know. I don't, I don't. You
don't necessarily have to be a hands off as like
Herm Edwards is with Arizona State. But I do think
there's part of it, part of it, part of it

(01:17:10):
that leads you to think instead of being inquisitive and
trying to learn what he didn't know. Jon Gruden believes
that his time studying football, his time going from team
to team to team, his time watching tape, his time
calling games made him smarter than everybody else. And that's

(01:17:31):
a really dangerous path to walk down. Doug golip Show
here on Fox Sports Radio te Um. I look at
a couple other things going on in the world of
sports and I'm kind of fascinated by it, absolutely fascinated
by it. I don't mean Bob Evans pulling the Urban

(01:17:56):
Meyer deal man. You want to talk about a dramatic turnaround,
you go back two weeks ago before Brett McMurphy uncovered, uh,
the past of Zack Smith, Ohio State like right now
ranked number three in the preseason poll in college football.
And now we had Bruce Jolly on local radio hosts
in Columbus said, shot Urban Meyer gets fired. That's a

(01:18:20):
crazy I mean, but he was the breakfast coach for
Bob Evans restaurant against Urban freaking Meyer. Amazing, truly, truly amazing.
A couple of things kind of quickly. Tigger Woods shot
a first round four hunder sixty six at bridge Stone.
That shouldn't be a surprise. This is a This is

(01:18:43):
a place in which he has won eight times, eight times. Uh.
The only problem is that Rory's Rory, Dustin Johnson and
plenty of others Jason Day are all playing at the
w g C at Bridgestone, But this is a place
to which he dominates. The bigger news is that the

(01:19:05):
one on one matchup with Phil Mickelson is gonna take
place Thanksgiving weekend. I guess the two takeaways I have
from Phil and Tiger playing is it's kind of like
one on one in basketball, right, It's kind of like,
are we gonna Magic and Bird or somebody? There's the
video game of one on one with Michael Jordan's The

(01:19:28):
beauty to basketball is not just one on one, but
can you play one on one and beat your guy
in the context of a five on five game. That's
one of the reasons I like the Big Three. I
don't like that they we're gonna have three on three
at the Olympics because basketball was designed to be played
by ten people on by fifty. That's the floor length, now,

(01:19:51):
that's the width. Now. All that stuff kind of works together.
The same. Same is true with a golf tournament. Do
I want Phil and Tiger to play againstach other? Well?
Sure I wanted it like ten fifteen years ago, But
I also wanted on Sunday at the Masters. You need
some other guys in chase. In many ways, you don't

(01:20:12):
have to have me even pair together. Sometimes it's better
when they're not and their score watching and their roar listening.
So will it be cool, Yeah, it'll be cool. But
but this is like, you know, Kobe Bryant and Tracy
McGrady now playing one on one, or or Lebron James saying, hey,

(01:20:35):
lets me and Kobe are gonna play for ten million
dollars one on one. That's what this is. More like
Phil Mickelson has he's not over the hill, but he's
on the downside of his career more so than Tiger Woods.
Appears to be mostly because of age. But it's just

(01:20:57):
it's a little bit late for me, a little bit
late for me. Um Sunny Gray who got lit up
by the Orioles, this actually should happen. He gets moved
to the bullpen. We told you yesterday Baltimore traded everybody,
everybody and uh then they of course lit up Sonny Gray.

(01:21:18):
So we thought, was that's baseball, that's just Sunny Gray.
Be interesting to see what happens with with the Yankees
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(01:21:46):
having a great day, better day than they're having, or
better couple of days than they're having in Columbus, Ohio.
We'll get the Stewart Mandel is gonna join us in
a second covering college football. Um, let's let's uh, let's
let's lay out for you here the the third and
final hour of the show. Stewart Mandel will join us.

(01:22:08):
Um momentarily. Um. Look, I think as of in the
last twenty four hours, in the last twenty four hours,
the the Ohio State University has decided to uh temperate
to it to suspend I guess suspended the word I'm

(01:22:29):
looking for. Yeah, urban Meyer, as they're going to investigate
exactly what he knew when he knew what they did
about is now former assistant Zack Smith, and um, there's
a lot to dig into. I mean a lot. Stewart
Bendel writes for The Athletic. He's an outstanding journalist who's

(01:22:54):
covered sports for as long as I can remember. He
joins us now on the Doug Gottlips Show on Fox
Sports Radio. Uh Stewart, Let's let's let's start when, as
editor in chief of the Athletics College Football side, what
was your reaction when Brett McMurphy kind of first broke
open this story shortly before Big ten media Day. Well, obviously,

(01:23:20):
even though Brett is not officially affiliated with anybody right now,
he has an impactable reputation as a reporter, and so
if he reports that, I'm going to take it seriously,
and I'm going to tell our staff to take it seriously.
I happened to be in Chicago for Big TENDDA days.
Obviously this was the story, and I paid very close
attention to everything were and said that day, And that
was when I started to realize something was off because

(01:23:42):
the minute he was so dismissive of breath report, even
using the phrase who would create a story like this?
In terms in regards to that two thousand fifteen incident.
You know, this wasn't this thing comes from a message?
For the thing comes from some week on it with Brett.
He would not have reported it if he didn't know
it to be true. And sure enough, you know, before

(01:24:04):
we even watched Chicago the police reports are out there,
and then obviously Bret Paul is back up with this
bombshell yesterday. So you know, obviously there are deeper issues
that need to be investigated here in terms of what
Ermyer knew and when he did it. But certainly the
comments he made a big to media days. If this
does end up resulting him not coming back, that was
where he began to unravel for him. What what's what's is?

(01:24:27):
I guess the only out I can find and everybody
we've had on can find, uh, is that he lied
to the media at Big Time Media Day, but he
knew about it and did running up the flagpole when
he found out about it. Is that is that the
only out you can think of? As well? I mean
that if that is the out, it's uh, it's a

(01:24:47):
very unsatisfactory one. Because you're representative the university. You're not
really supposed to go out and blatantly lied to people. Um,
and if you do that, you have to know that's
going to come back. So I don't know what the
ultimate explanation is going to be here. You know, some
people have speculated and I've certainly entertainment possibility that they'll
come out as investigation and say, yeah, a lot of

(01:25:09):
people in Urban virus orbans had a good reason to
think something bad was going on, but nobody actually bother
to tell Urban, including his own life, and nobody's gonna
believe that. Um. But then I actually talked to Brett
about this this morning on our podcast. They didn't come
out yet. What we know today is just baby, just
be the tip of the iceberg. You know, we don't

(01:25:29):
know who's doing this investigation. They've given us a new
details what the scope of the investigation is. But if
it's a serious investigation and they start going through people's
phone records and text messages, you know, over a certain
amount of time, who knows what they're going to find
out about what was being communicated. Um, amongst Urban and
his coaching staff from other people, there isn't an amazing

(01:25:50):
that Ohio State a school with an unbelievable reputation with
in football, one that you know, to the two most
reputable coaches and like guys that presented themselves in terms
of being about the right things. Like I know Urban
took a lot of chances at Florida. But supposedly the

(01:26:11):
move away from the SEC was so that he didn't
have to take those chances at Ohio State, Right, this
was more home And then you look at like Jim
Trestle was supposed to be about the right things. Isn't
an amazing how both of these men may may end
up being undone by themselves being dishonest or in some
ways disconnected, uh with with things going on in the

(01:26:33):
program which are work to elicit. Yeah, and obviously now
what Jim Trustle, what did engine Trustle seems to claim.
You know, it's hard to go back into our head stage.
And I contend that all of the color sports and
all of our um the way we've use scandals change
forever when the Penn States scandal happened. So this was

(01:26:54):
before that, I think maybe six months before that, and
we thought Tattoos for Remabilio was just the biggest deal
on the world. Jim Trestle line to the n c A,
and it seems very point now. But in Irby Meyer's case, yeah,
I mean, giving kids second third chances really tarnished his
legacy at Florida. But he didn't get fired for that,
or he left on his own court. But certainly they

(01:27:14):
don't know the stories, I will say, and maybe I
was just being naive. It's short teamed like he had
turned the corner at Ohio State. That has been a
very controversy free program for the last five years. If
you've been around that team, you were on the national
title team, it really struck you what a great group
of kids that was. And it may be that he
stopped taking in that kids, that he stopped giving kids
take the chances. But he certainly gave this assistant coach,

(01:27:37):
whether it was out of loyalty to Earl Bruce's mentor
or whatnot. Uh, way too many, way too much benefits.
A doubt given everything we know, now, what do you
think the chance sorry keeps his job. I think they're
pretty low. I've gone back and forth on it since yesterday.
You know, there was a there was a point yesterday
when Ohio State went to silent. I wasn't didn't get

(01:27:58):
fired yesterday. Um, like I said before, it's it's we
don't they haven't told us anything about what this investigation
was actually trying to uncover it. It's just about him.
Is about the whole schools handling of this. Um. There
is a scenario where he could stay. But like I said,
it seems unlikely. First of all, I will not believe

(01:28:19):
for a second that Shelley Meyer, who said in a
text message to scared of his accident and clearly knew
at least some extent of the abuse that he was
inflicting on his ext life, would never have said a
word about that to our husband. Mayor extremely closed. Shelley
is one of visible coaches live in America. Regardless of that, Um,

(01:28:40):
you know, there's just gonna be there's a serious investigation
and they really do, like actually try to talk to
everybody involved to go through everything. There's gonna be something
in there, um that would incriminate her. So you know,
I wonder if it's just this investigation of a formality
that they have to go through to end up buying
him or reaching from or start about for a contact. Um.

(01:29:02):
And maybe that's just we'll see, we'll see how serious
about actually getting answered. Uh, it's gonna be fascinating. I
I this is the this is the it's the least
fun part about my job. You know, my my job
is not I'm journalists, right like I there's some journalists
journal there's a there's a part of journalistic integrity you

(01:29:24):
have to have, but I'm not a journalist like you are. Uh,
Stewart Mandel joining us. He's the editor in chief of
the Athletics College Football Site, which, by the way, I
get a chance to write for the college basketball site.
It's an awesome place for you to spend a very
small amount of money and you can get the absolute
best writers in in sports that you can read every
day and updated throughout the day. He joins us here

(01:29:46):
in the Doug Otlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. Um So,
I'm not a journalist like you are. But the hardest
thing about being an opinion giver is, whether it's radio
or on TV, is sometimes, as you gotta say, like
a guy's gotta go, and knowing that if he gets fired,
that's all their families have to move, Like there's massive change,

(01:30:08):
Like having a brother that's a coach. I'm highly sympathetic
to it. But let's just for a second, offer up
that it's a possibility and maybe even a likelihood that
he has coached his last game at Ohio State. Who's
the guy you come in to fix this thing? Yeah,
that's a great question. And somebody asked me that yesterday.

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I realized I had to get it thought yet, but
now I have. UM, there's a guy who's coaching it
Iowa State right now. Campbell, who is from Ohio, has
strong ties there, and I think he's not a rising
coaches in America. Now we'll see how he does in
Iowa State this year. If they were actually going to
hire a football coach and in December wherever it is,
and he just went for I would think that's not

(01:30:51):
gonna happen. But if I if he does what I
think it's going to happen once with that program to
continue to get better. That would be a that's just
the first name that a plane to somebody that you
could bring it from the outside who would excite fans
and get people excited. I mean, clearly, like you said. Unfortunately,
if Ermier despired, said, all of the people on his staff,
whether they had anything you just or not. And so

(01:31:13):
if he gets fired, I can't see them astially promoting
Rand or anybody from the staff. So you have to
start from scratch. And unlike last time when er Meyer
was sitting there unavailable, UM when the interesting got fired,
As of this moment, there's no obvious home run national
championship caliber coach that will be sitting there ready for

(01:31:34):
the taking because the last year H Kelly would be
the coach of Ohio State. But wait, wait, wait, wa wait,
Stuart Stewart, there is a guy from Ohio who's a
national championship coach who is sitting on the sidelines. Now.
I don't know if he wants to come back and coach.
And I've heard people say he loves his life. Now
Bob Stoops is out there, Yeah, you're like, he is

(01:31:58):
a guy, which, um, I don't see it. And if
he was going to come back into coaching, I don't
think it would be a very high pressure, high profile
a job like that. Also, Bob is probably one is
closest and not closest friend in the coaching business. I

(01:32:18):
have heard believe he would do that. But I could
totally see why people would speculate that. Is there anybody else?
I mean, I'm I'm with you on and and the
Matt Campbell thing, like, look, everyone swears by him, and
he could have left, and he didn't leave. He did
an amazing job. I mean, hecky, he went and got
a linebacker to play quarterback last year and damn if

(01:32:39):
it didn't didn't work. Um, but I think it's I
think it's fascinating for a for a program like you
know so much of this about timing. Here's the other thing,
and this is the this is the crazy part. Uh.
Michigan State obviously has their scandal. Uh, Penn State loses
se Kwon Barkley, Ohio State may well lose Urban Meyer.

(01:33:00):
This doesn't feel like now or never for Michigan. Yeah,
you're absolutely right. Um, this was a I'd been saying
for months. Is they no excuse of season for John
Harborne from Michigan. They've got the quarterback now to go
with everything else. But you would sit there and look
at the rest of that division and go, well, how
are they gonna get past Ohio State? Well, and Ohio
State really does end up playing a scene on the

(01:33:21):
interm coach. I mean, you've seen a recent history of
internal coaches. It does not go well. They may well
be a national champion of playoff caliber roster in terms
of talent, but this is just this wouldn't They're not
gonna do it with that, So then you look, Okay,
who else tim State had to replace a lot Michigan
State I think will be really good. But yeah, I

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mean it would open up the door for Michigan to
at least win that division. That was constant to me
as of this exact moment, as of twenty four hours ago.
He's say, in the favorite to win the Big ten Um,
but obviously they'd come up short the last two years.
And I think can yeah. I think The other thing
is you remember Wisconsin has to Michigan. Schedule is ridiculously difficult,

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right they they play, they don't dodge anybody. The one
thing they have going for him is they get Wisconsin
at home. Uh. Wisconsin also has to go to Penn
State this year as opposed to some and they have
to go to Iowa, a very difficult place to play,
but going they and they don't have Ohio State in
the schedule. This the one year where you might actually
want Ohio State on your schedule later on the year, Stewart,
it's gonna be an unbelievable college football season. Can't wait

(01:34:25):
to see all the things the athletic has unfortunately hate
when to see this is like college basketball? Right, Can
we just start one college season without a scandal? Would
that be okay? Can we next basket? Next basketball season?
Can we start with no scandal because we've had scandals
before the last couple of seasons. Yeah, and actually talking quiet,
quiet offseason. Also, of course, this huge shower hits, you know,

(01:34:47):
two days before teams for four birgames. Stewart, thanks for
johinning us. I appreciate it. Thanks. Doug gotlib Show Fox
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football with him, but I also got to talk some
Ohio State football with him. Welcome in the Doug Gotlieb
Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Thanks so much for
tuning in. If you listen to us on Serious sex M,
you can also us into our next guest. He's a
j Hawk. He was a star at the Ohio State. Hell,
he was a star and uh in high school growing
up in this great state of Ohio. Now he's after
his NFL career has ended. He's a star on Sirius

(01:36:11):
XM Radio. UM. He joins us on the Doug Gotlip
Show on Fox Sports Radio. I hate it when like
my alma maters involved in something, but you're a great
football player at Ohio State. Jim Trestle got fired for uh,
different issues, but still it was not being totally forthcoming
about what he knew, when he knew, and what he

(01:36:33):
did about it. What's your what's your assessment of what's
going on in Ohio State? Well, yeah, I think that's
the issue right there is seeing urban Meyer line about
knowing about um. Most importantly, the two thousand and fifteen
incident with wide receivers coach Dak Smith and it all
kind of came to light right before media days at

(01:36:54):
Big Time Network last week, and I was there, actually
talked to Urban on Tuesday after the Brett mcmurh off
you peace had come out, and that was certainly after
the dress. The median said that there was nothing there
from the two fifteen incident and he didn't know about it.
And as far as we know right now, he's sticking
with that and saying that he did not know. And

(01:37:14):
and that's the whole thing. The question is, I think
if he would have gone to that media day and
didn't really comment on the situation and she just said
something that he is a personal matter between a husband
and wife, we had to let him go. But that's
all I'm saying. Then. I think we may be having
a different conversation today. But I think that now there's
a question of whether he knew or not and how

(01:37:34):
much he may have known, and that's why he's on
leave right now. Okay, So how how believable do you
think it is, especially considering we have text messages from
Zack Smith's wife to to Shelly to to Shelly Myers
to his wife uh in regards to some of these accusations.
How believed was it that he wouldn't know? Well, I mean,

(01:37:55):
Urban is very publicly stated how much of Rock his
wife's Shelly is now. He leans on her for a
lot of different things. So it's something that does seem like,
over the course of how many incidents there were over
the years, that you would think Shelley would have said
something to him. But as of now, there's no I guess,

(01:38:16):
direct evidence directly linking Urban to anyone that we know
of yet of saying yes, he knew about this. Yeah,
indirectly there is through coaches wives and threw Shelly and
and Courtney Smith's text, but it's it's pretty Uh. I
can't imagine there'd be a way that she wouldn't have
said something to Urban about it. But also I don't

(01:38:38):
want to speculate, but I mean, Shelley Myers been in
the coaching game for a long time with her husband Urban,
and she knows how it goes, and maybe she felt
like she'd be protecting the university or protecting Urban while
trying to help Courtney Smith out of a bad situation.
M it's gonna be gonna be fascinating to see. Uh,
how do you think they proceed. I mean, like, look,
there's a really talented team ranked third in the country.

(01:39:00):
Now you put the offensive coordinator who uh in charge?
The good thing is you do have a couple other uh,
a really talented coach Greg Shiano over there on the
defensive side of the ball, and of course, um you
know there are other Look, the staff is littered with
with talented coaches. Uh. How do you think the team fares.
Let's say Urban remains away from the team in the

(01:39:22):
early part of the season. How do you play through that? Honestly,
I think the product on the field isn't gonna change
a whole lot. Obviously, it'll be a little bit different
now they start camp. I guess today or tomorrow. With
Ryan Day stepping in as the the interim head coach,
it's gonna be Uh, it's gonna be a different, no question.
Without believe, man Urban Meyer out there running the show.
But I don't think the product changes a whole lot

(01:39:44):
on the field. I think they no matter what, you
didn't take away the talent that they have, that talented
defensive line, the running backs. They have a new quarterback,
Dwayne Haskins. They still have all that talent there and
uh coordinator co offensive coordinator Ryan Days still there as well,
so a whole lot shouldn't change now. I don't know

(01:40:04):
how the culture is gonna be. I don't know if
he's gonna be able to get all the players to
buy in like Urban Meyer did, but I I don't
think there's gonna be an issue with a whole lot
of hiccups on the field to be fast to a
jack joining us in the Doug Gotlip Show on Fox
Sports Tradio, I want to ask you, We're gonna see
our first preseason football tonight. Uh, Lamar Jackson is gonna
get some run. What what's your assessment? Here's a guy

(01:40:27):
who is a freak athlete, has you know, has a
strong arm in terms of how far he can throw
a football, but bat has had some spouts of of
inaccuracy at times in college and he's not big. What's
your thoughts on what we're likely to see early on
from Lamar Jackson. Well, it's gonna be interesting tonight to

(01:40:47):
see how they use him. But for Joe Flacco, if
you think about it, he has to play out of
his mind. It seems like too kind of finned off.
What Lamar Jackson is doing and the path that he
is on and all of the excitement that's coming out
of the Ravens training camp on what Lamar can do
and head coaching. He's gonna be on the field for
sure at times, and maybe I'm sure they'll maybe start

(01:41:08):
with some kind of packets for him, maybe a red
zone packing it. Who knows. Maybe he's gonna run a
little zone read, make some easy passes, cut off the field,
cut it in half, and and not make him have
to go through too many progressions. But the thing is,
if you're Joe Flacco, just think about their first regular
season game of Joe Flacco starting his first three and out.
They're gonna be calling for Lamar Jackson, no question, They're

(01:41:30):
gonna want him in there. So I think you've seen
Joe Flacco. They said he's looked great in camp as well.
But it's not a position I end because I think
as a as a starting quarterback in the NFL, which
is the toughest position in all of pro sports to play,
your confidence has to be sky high to be operating
at a high level, and I just don't know how
your confidence can stay uh at the elite level when

(01:41:53):
you have a guy like Lamar Jackson. You hear everything
around you and all the great talent he is, and
you you see the futures right there behind you. Uh,
it's really I mean, it's got to be incredibly difficult.
A J. Hawk joining us on the Doug Gotlip Show.
He uh covers football for Serious x M. Also does
a college football as well. Uh you can you can

(01:42:15):
check out hawk cast uh and follow him on Twitter
at official a J. Hawk. You've got a chance to
play with Aaron Rodgers, and Uh, look, my whole thing
has been I get that Tom Brady is more accomplished,
you know, in my my relatively uneducated eyes, he Aaron
Rodgers checks every box, even some boxes that Tom Brady

(01:42:37):
doesn't doesn't check. What am I? What? Am my? What?
What's what's missing there? Has it been the defense? Has
it been the running game? What's missing there? That hasn't allowed?
And I know there was some luck a couple of
years ago when they had to lead in Seattle. He
had the polled calf and he had the onside kick
and Russell Wilson throwing up the two point conversion in
the end zone. What what's been missing there? In Green Bay?
That hasn't allowed a rod to get back to the

(01:42:59):
Super Bowl. Well, I mean, you're right with Aaron definitely
checks every single box you could possibly check when it
comes to what you want in the quarterback. But yeah,
that's a combination of everything. The running game has has
struggled as of late. They don't They're gonna be running
back by committee this year. Um, I think largely his
offensive line has actually been pretty good. Uh, he's had

(01:43:19):
decent weapons to throw too. But yeah, I mean I
was a part of a lot of those defenses that
we kind of fell short. We definitely did not live
up to what we should have when we knew we
had one of the greatest players of all time as
a quarterback on the other side, and he can cover
up for a lot of mistakes. That's the thing. And
you feel like, if Aaron Rodgers is your quarterback, you
should be contending for the Super Bowl every single year.

(01:43:40):
So definitely some missed opportunities. For my nine years spent
in Green Bay, we feel like we should have got
more than one ring, no question. But it's a combination
of everything, and if they can find a way to
put it all together and be peeking at the right
time and keep that healthy. They've had a lot of
injury concerns on the defensive side of the ball as well.
If they can peek at the right time, they can
have another run like we did in two thousand and

(01:44:01):
ten and go win a Super Bowl. Uh. You've run
out there like a wild dog in two of the
most historic venues in the sport, you know, at the
Horse Shoe and of course at lambeau Field. Compare contrast
what it's like the first that that first time you're
on the field for Ohio State the first time you're
on the field of the Green Bay Packers. I think

(01:44:22):
both times, my freshman year of High State running out
of the tunnel and running down that first kickoff compared
to my rookie year running out of the tunnel at
lambeau Field. Both of them were overwhelming. You didn't really
know where to look, what's to do? Uh, pregame you're
you're not. I wasn't really looking around in awe, but
I was just it felt weird being there, Like it's

(01:44:42):
almost like a little dream that you've had as your
whole life as a kid, and then all of a
sudden you're living it. But then the good thing is
the first time they blow the whistle and you cracked
skulls with another guy. Then you snap right back into
reality and realize it's football, just like even playing since
I was in the second grade. But the two just
historic venues, obviously Ohio Stadium, lambeau Field, and I definitely
there's not a day that goes by that I don't

(01:45:04):
recognize how lucky I was to to go to Ohio
State and win a national championship and then get drafted
by the Packers and play with Brett Farve, Aaron Rodgers,
a ton of other great players and coaches, so it's
they're both very special places. Rodgers take one. I mean,
Aaron was how he's been doing. I played two years
with Brett, Brett was, Brett was the man. He was amazing.

(01:45:25):
But the level Aaron has been playing at for a
while now, you can't diss like everything he does. The
one thing that sets Aaron apart from everybody. There's a
lot of things, but the main thing that sets him
apart from the other elite quarterbacks is how he's such
a deceptively great athlete. How he can move with his
feet and absolutely break your back. As a defense, when

(01:45:48):
he scrambles around for it will be third and eleven
and Aaron will get swells on you and then he'll
run out of bounds and do the championship belt. It
just I've watched it just takes the soul right from
the defensive coordinator, all the guys out there. It's gonna
be fast and I listen, I can't wait to see
him this year. I do think their defense is better.
I actually think they did the right thing. I know
that Georgy is, you know, like a lifeer, packer and

(01:46:09):
an incredible dude, but he just he wasn't the same.
I don't know if you could have found a different
role for him. Does that one guy you can find
a different role for it would be Geordy. But I
like what they've done with the roster. I hope it's
good enough because obviously he has he has the the
god given town and the wherewithal uh to take the
Green Bay package back to the Super Bowl. A J.

(01:46:30):
Thanks so much for joining us. Enjoy listening to your
show as well and appreciating our guest on Fox Sports Radio.
All right, Hey, thanks for having me. A J Hawk,
Ohio State Packers also Bengals and Falcons, but you can
hear him on Series x M NFL Radio. Kind of
to spend some time with this year on the Doug
Gottlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. Let's get to Isaac
Loewen Crown. Who joins us? Now? Isaac, what do you got? Doug?

(01:46:53):
Ohio State announced today the Buckeyes players and coaches will
not be made available to reporters when reigning camp omens tomorrow,
and that all practices will be closed until further notice
due to the ongoing investigation into head coach Urban Meyer.
The College Football preseason Coaches Poll was released today. Alabama
is number one, with Clemson number two. Ohio State is third,

(01:47:16):
followed by Georgia and Oklahoma. Engulf Tiger Wood shot a
four under sixty six today in round one of the
bridge Stone Invitational. Kind of fought out of s court today,
which was good and didn't really kind of haven't today
with my ball starking, but just hung in there and
missed the ball on a proper spots too much all
day and then and made a couple of thoughts. Woods
currently three shots byd co leaders Kyle Stanley and Ian Poulter. NFL.

(01:47:39):
The Tennessee Titans announced today that starting strong safety Jonathan
Cyprian will be out for this season after tearing his
a c L in practice yesterday. Titans head coach Mike
Brabel said today that free agent safety Eric Reid is
among the potential replacements for Cyprian. The Patriots are signing
receiver Eric Decker to a one year deal, and finally,
the preseason itself kicks off tonight at eight pm. MA

(01:48:00):
Stron with the Hall of Fame game between the Bears
and Ravens in Canton. Doug back to you, Isaac, did
your dad give you any advice about marriage, kids, family?
I'm trying to think, not particularly, nothing that comes to mind. Really,

(01:48:21):
I'm afraid, how about you what my late father, Uh,
he didn't. I'm not sure if it always came together
the way he wanted to come together. But um, one
of the conversations I had with him, which you know, like, look,
it's it's one of those deals to where I wish
he was alive day because I would send him this

(01:48:42):
story and I would go like, hey, old man, you're right,
you know you're they are generally they're they're not right
about everything. My dad would do a lot of things
which were uh, I found to be kind of funny
at the time. As as I got in this profession.
In two thousand two and two thousand three, I moved

(01:49:03):
up to Bristol, Connecticut, and it became all all that
I did. And um, I was in Connecticut, he was
in California and my my first national radio gig was
a show called Game Night, and it was with a
guy named Chuck Wilson. Chuck was just incredible human being,
I thought, an outstanding radio host and a guy who
really kind of showed me the way work with me,

(01:49:25):
how to research how and he used to bring in
something called the Chuck Wagon. And what he would do
is he would all day he would just print out story, story, story, story, stories, stats,
everything you needed and he'd have it was like a
movable file cabinet that he would bring into the studio
for four background stuff because we did six hours of
radio seven pm to one am, and we would interview

(01:49:49):
guys right when they come out of the field. And look,
it wasn't this isn't dial up internet days, but internet
wasn't as fast, and uh, you know, he had done
this for twenty years even before that, So it was
a great research. But because he taught me kind of
how to research, and because I was working at ESPN,
I had a good sense of most of the things
going on in the world of sports. So my dad

(01:50:11):
would do a lot of things that were interesting. One
of the things was I would drive home to be
one in the morning and like, look, it was like
twenty five minutes, so it's a good excuse to call
my dad because it was ten o'clock. He didn't, He
went bed late and I could catch up. I probably
call him a couple of times a week, and he
would always um. He would always tell me, uh stories
that I already knew right Like he would he would

(01:50:32):
say something like did you did you hear what happened
to Urban Meyer? Like yeah, I I just talked about
it for four four hours, Like can you believe did
you hear the Nationals aren't trading Bryce Harper? Like yeah,
I just right. So it's you wanted to engage in
a conversation. But he was telling me stories that I
an't even knew about. But there was there was one,

(01:50:55):
only really one about getting married. I got married right
out of college, and I remember telling my dad that
we were getting married, and he said, well, what about kids,
And I was like, well, obviously we want to have him.
He's like, go right away. I was like, I don't know,
like we haven't really discussed, like right away. I think
we want to travel, want to play basketball. And he said,

(01:51:16):
he said, listen, you know what you want. You know
you're getting married. We love Angie, but uh, kids are expensive.
I remember, like, it wasn't it wasn't the he didn't say.
And I look, my dad did everything he possibly could
for me to be a success in sports, in life,

(01:51:38):
in school, right, and my dad was in fact a
loving parent. But he didn't when he talked. He talked
him the first time he ever brought up kids with uh,
my fiance, I think she and then maybe it was
at the time she was my wife and we were
getting ready to travel overseas to play basketball. He didn't say,
like what kids provide you. It's just it's unbelievable. It was.

(01:52:00):
There wasn't a hey, here's all the good things and
here's maybe one downside. It was times are expensive, like
their expensive. And by the way, he's right. I saw
this story and I knew he was right. Um. It
also reminds me of something I learned the hard way

(01:52:21):
with speeding tickets, which is many ways, many times you're
just better off paying the damn thing than going to court.
And where where's the fees? Maybe a lot of times
you go right away and plead guilty, you'll pay half
as much. So. Radar Online reports that Blake Griffin has
been ordered by l A superior court to pay two

(01:52:42):
hundred and fifty eight thousand dollars a month in child support.
You're like, wow, Um, his ex fiance is Brent Cameron.
She played basketball usc beautiful woman. Um uh, you know,
obviously I don't know why their relationship went bad, but
apparently Brent Cameron's gonna get over three million dollars each

(01:53:06):
year for the two children that they have together, and
this is two kids. The three million dollars equates to
nine of the thirty five million dollars that the court
declared to be Griffin's annual income after investments and endorsements,
so the amount that comes out of his paycheck won't
necessarily be that massive in relation to what he makes,

(01:53:26):
only nine. According to the documents. Both sides were ordered
in July to mutually agree on school expenses, but the
Piston star would be responsible for extracurricular activities. They have
joined custody of their children. Bryn Cameron reportedly filed a
suit in February after Griffin did not provide promised financial support.

(01:53:49):
They were they went, they went back to court in February.
So the point is that whatever they agreed to, he
thought probably two months he went to court and now
he's gotta pay three million dollars a year. Now, look,
you make thirty five million dollars per year, three million

(01:54:09):
dollars a year for your kids to live great, you know,
to to have everything they possibly could want. Like, it
doesn't seem crazy. On the other hand, wow, that's a
lot of money. Kids are as my dad would tell
you expensive. Um, So it tells me a couple of

(01:54:30):
a couple of things. It's always better to be married
than to get divorced or to break up. That's and
usually the first even when the first offer sounds crazy,
the court's gonna make you pay more. Remember, if you're
you're paying this nine percent, he probably still has lawyer
fees as well. Like, none of this stuff came free.

(01:54:53):
But that's a lot of that's a lot of coin.
That is a lot of cheesy poofs. That's a lot.
I think what I think, what you I would have
if you're Blake Griffin, like and this is what you
would have done, is like, hey, look I'll pay for
all expenses and we'll do if you want to be
three million dollars, that's fine. We'll put a million dollars

(01:55:13):
away each year for for the kids. Uh, for some
sort of you know, college plan. I mean, honestly, put
a million dollars away. Isn't that enough? That's a lot
of money. Damn. It's not that they're not worth it,
but it's that they're not not they don't need it.

(01:55:33):
They just don't. They don't you would think they don't
need it. But again, I who am I to speak?
That's a lot anyway, that's a wow moment. I just poo.
It's a big check. That's one of those like you
want your kids to have everything, and they're like, yeah,
we're gonna give them three million dollars. Like, wow, that's
a big bill. E A Sports is scrubbed an NFL

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The game will be officially released next Friday, but is

(01:57:42):
currently available to members of the e A Access subscription service.
TMZ just reporting that the move blindsided y G and
his team who want the lyric reinstated and want to
know who is responsible for editing Kaepernick's name out. M
m um, that's interesting. That's super, super super interesting. I

(01:58:06):
would I would say, I mean, like, look, if the league,
if it belongs to the league, the league has the
right to edit that that thing out. I don't know.
I don't know how it works with y G. When
you pay to use somebody's song, if you can edit
their song, I have no I have no idea, But like, look,
I have friends that work for the NFL network. At
the end of the day, the NFL network doesn't want

(01:58:28):
you to talk about something you work for the NFL.
That's the way it goes. I got friends of work
for the Big ten network, and the big tend to
network doesn't want you to talk about certain things you
don't like. We all have bosses, so I would guess
that this is an edict, This is a disconnect. Somebody said,
we need to pay for the rights for this song.
It's a cool song, it plays well with the kids,
and then when they listen to lyrics like that's say Kaepernick, dude,

(01:58:48):
we're gonna get that thing out, it's it's bizarre, but
it I don't know. And that's a great point because
somewhere there's got to be some sort of legal ease
about the nights for the NFL and e A Sports
about the content and if it's licensed from y G,
can e A Sports do anything to it? Because not

(01:59:08):
to get too technical, but you could hear that the
voice track was removed but the music track stayed, so
that had to be supplied by y G and the
record company. Can you just picture, though, Roger Goodell sitting
at his desk in Manhattan personally reviewing all the songs
on the Madden soundtrack just to make sure I don't

(01:59:31):
I I don't, I honestly don't like like. Look if
you think that goes up to I think sometimes this
is what happens. Sometimes people um uh, Sometimes people believe
that they want to believe that they that Roger Goodell
would do this. Oftentimes it's people, the underlings that they're

(01:59:52):
just they're trying to do the right thing. They're trying
to go like Mr Goodell. You know I I we
took that Kaepernick out of the song, trying to cur
favor if you will. I actually think that's very, very normal.
I don't think that this has anything to do with
Goodell himself trying to be a two proactive and you
got the tone, the vocal tone of faceless anonymous NFL

(02:00:12):
employee at headquarters right on. In a somewhat related story,
we mentioned that Tennessee Titans starting strong safety Jonathan Cyprian
out for the season after tearing his a c L
in practice yesterday, while Titan's head coach Mike Vrabel said
today that, among others, they'll be contacting for potential workouts
free agent safety Eric Read, which is notable because Read,

(02:00:35):
along with Kaepernett, currently of course unemployed by the NFL,
but Read last October is one of the guys who
filed a grievance alleging that the NFL colluded to prevent
his employment. Didn't get a shot with the Bengals as well,
but now perhaps getting a shot with the Titans. M Yeah, look,
I sometimes sometimes we think there's collusion and sometimes it's
just players. Colin Kaepernick was hard to employ before he

(02:00:58):
before he took me. Do I think that the kneeling
thing kept him out of the leag Sure, but also
the fact that he was always dodgy about going up
and seeing people. He didn't want to be a backup quarterback,
and uh, he didn't have a great reputation as leader.
Eric Read's another guy who good football player. Gotta find
the right fit and gotta find a salary that you
can fit in with. You missed it. Finally. In baseball,

(02:01:20):
Yankees GM Brian Cashman said today that started Sonny Gray
starter no more, being moved to the bullpen. Lance Lynn
will take a spot in the rotation after Gray against
the Orioles yesterday allowed seven runs and eight hits in
just two and two thirds innings to five point five six. Yeah. No,

(02:01:41):
I mean Sonny Grady was bad last year in the
playoffs as well, So uh it appears that Oakland got
over a little bit on the New York Yankees last year.
We'll see if lance Lynn has what Sonny Gray did
not bag it out there and pressed. That was the press. Fine, Look,
we'll keep an eye on Tiger and see what happens

(02:02:02):
at at Firestone. That's the place he's won eight times.
He's can play. You know, if Tiger is really back,
he should be playing well. There. Keep an eye on
Ohio State. Doesn't feel like there'll be any closure, but
but we don't know. More than anything, we'll react to
football being played tonight tomorrow on The Doug Gotlip Show,
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