September 25, 2025 • 49 mins
On a Thursday edition of The Best Of Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug previews the Thursday night matchup between the Cardinals and Seahawks.\
Doug plays The Judge as he gives his verdict on the AL MVP debate between Cal Raleigh and Aaron Judge.
Doug welcomes College Football analyst Josh Pate onto the show to talk about the big games on the slate in college this week.
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Bring the boom X Boom down dun dundam. Okay, So oh,
this is a weird one on a Thursday night, right
cause if you were to say, hey, it's Thursday night
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football standalone game, You're like, well, you know, I mean,
baseball's getting sort of exciting, exciting, but not playoffs yet
so still football time, right, because there are there's a
portion of us. I think most of us prefer obviously
playoff baseball to regular season football, not on Sundays. But
baseball does a good job of the most part of
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avoiding that. But there's no real excuse for watching anything else.
I mean, I guess if I was watching Mets Cubs
last night, you know, maybe that's part of it. There's
some other games you can watch, but standalone football is
generally pretty awesome. Thursday night FOOTBA obviously on Amazon tonight
it's the Cardinals who are off to a hot start,
although if you watch them play, you're like, okay against
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the Seahawks, so you have a divisional matchup, and of
course the Seahawks are buyers team, not he doesn't own
the TA, you you know, that's where his fandom goes.
And I do think this is one in which we
are going to peer into and watch and we will
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make a huge mistake, but we're gonna do it anyway,
which is, we're gonna make a determination into if Sam
Darnold can play, or if Kyler Murray can play, or
what everything looks like with the Cardinals or with the
Seahawks based upon this one game, and it's a Thursday
night game, and as we all know, generally, especially as
the season goes on, the quality of play Thursday night
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is not usually great because the bodies aren't really recovered
from the week before, and you know, it doesn't feel
like you have as much time to invest in game
planning and scouting and all that other stuff for whatever reason.
I mean, I'm giving you reasons that quality play not
really great on Thursdays. But we're gonna I'm not saying
byer and I'm not saying and I don't are there
actually Arizona Cardinal fans that don't live in Arizona. I
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don't think the answer is yes. So these are two
teams that the Seahawks, who had the Twelfth Man had
a huge following. Doesn't feel like that's a thing anymore,
as much of a thing as it used to be.
But it was definitely a thing, and that's only because
they were winning for you know, a good six seven
years there, two Super Bowls, one super Bowl win. But
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unless you sustain it, and sustained it at a high level,
it's hard to have those kind of national fan bases
the way that Steelers have the way the Cowboys haven't.
I know, the Cowboys haven't won anything recently but the
three Super Bowls and then the success in the seventies.
But you look at tonight and it's like Arizona doesn't
really have fan base. Seattle does, but they're kind of
lukewarm on the whole idea of this rebuilding what they're doing.
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You have a former number one pick, former number three
pick in the draft one has been on the same team,
and a Kyler Murray, but you know, most people think
he played too many video games for much of his
career and he's just okay. Darnald was seeing ghosts when
he was in with the Jets, lost his job in Carolina,
back up in San Francisco, lit it up in Minnesota,
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but the offensive coordinator in the skill position guys getting
more of the credit wasn't good at the end of
the year. And now all of a sudden he's in Seattle.
He comes off a game which they won, but part
of it was that the competition was inept. Again, I
just think that the takeaway from tonight's game is going
to be one point five to two x of what
it should be because these are two of the teams
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in the NFL that exist in every statistical column but
don't really exist in our minds. I mean outside again,
Buyer is a Seahawks fan, so he watches every snap.
I don't know anybody who claims who claims to be
an Arizona Cardinal fan. Do you guys know anybody who's, like,
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you know what, he's an Arizona Cardinal fan. I'm not
saying they don't exist, but I'm saying they don't really exist.
It's like when we say, like, well, everybody's a I
know Cowboy fans, I know Raider fans, I know Ram fans,
I know Niner fans, I know Dolphin fans, Steeler fans,
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Giant fans. There's a lot of TV guys or Jets fans.
I don't know a single Areazon a Cardinal fan.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
All those weird doug all those teams you mentioned have
won a Super Bowl, So maybe that's the issue.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
It's possible. I mean, the Raiders haven't won a Super
Bowl a long long time, long, long, long long time.
No Chiefs fans, A couple of Texans fans, although they're
a newer franchise. Jase du can you think of anybody
in your orbit. And Jason, you've lived, grown up, been
around southern California, it's the neighboring state. Do you know
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anyone who's an Arizona Cardinal fan?
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Not one?
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Nope, I don't think they actually like again in Arizona.
There's some people now. It used to be a transient market.
It still is. COVID that this phoenix just exploded. It's
like twice the size. It's mass if so, this is
not me crapping on the Cardinals. The Cardinals have been
to a Super Bowl. They were within one play, one
great drive from the Pittsburgh Steers of winning a super Bowl.
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But there I I've not like I would guess that
in terms of deer sold in the last twenty years,
the Cardinals would probably be last. What do you guys think? Like,
I'm I I'm not even googling it. It's just something
that crossed my mind. I will bet if I said
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Sam Google, which I'm saying Sam Google, that you know
teams and Jersey sales or whatever. Have you ever run
into somebody who's like, who's your team? The Arizona Cardinals?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Like what, I personally don't know a single Cardinals fan.
And I'm not trying to be mean.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
I just don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
I'm not I'm not either. I'm just like and and
and again for for people who are listing in whatever.
We're in all these markets all over the country. I
know I was reading one for folks. We're in North Dakota, right,
We're from North Dakota to Wichita, several place in the
East coast, and obviously in Oklahoma. We're here in Appleton
in Wisconsin. W're all these different markets. Have you ever
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been walking down the street or you ever been in
a sports bar? You ever be in a sports bar
and somebody's like, hey, hey, hey, can you tell the
bartender to put on the Cardinals game? That's my team?
But they walk in with a Kyler Murray jersey. I
don't think it's amazing. And what we're saying is this
is the most popular sport in the country, but there
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are certain teams that get just zero love, have zero
attention because they don't have much of a fan base.
And I think the Cardinals are probably right there in
line with I mean, the Panthers had a had a following,
not they went to a Super Bowl, but they also
had Cam Newton who was exceedingly popular. They've had others, right,
you have one of my favorite linebackers of all time.
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They have some you know, Steve Smith became a TV personality.
Obviously he's got some personal stuff that he's gone through.
But you know, Tampa, it wasn't a lot, but Tom
Brady won a Super Bowl. And there's a couple New
Orleans people from New Orleans obviously usually more college fall fans,
but they love them Saints. I don't know anybody whos
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a Cardinals fan. Yes, go ahead, So.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I found her this Ranker article that has found some
celebrity fans of the Arizona Cardinals I could share with you.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
So we got a Frankie Muniz who grew up in Scottsdale, Arizona.
That he was from Malcolm the Middle. Now he's a
race car driver, David Spade, who has a lot of
connections to the state of Arizona. I think he went
to Arizona State. He is also a Cardinals fan. It
says Gwen Stefani and Blake Shelton are Cardinals fans because
Blake Shelton was a fan of the Cardinals and then
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so she's married to him. Now and she's a fan county. Yeah,
well you could you you could adopt a team in
the Southwest. But there's a couple of celebrities for you
that are so called Arizona Cardinals fans.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Do we think that they actually own a jersey that
they paint their face, that they tail get outside, that
they do they watch the random game on the road
against Like you you know you're a fan when like
you're a fan of Iowa football, you watch every Iowa game. Like,
if we want to list you online as a fan
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of said team, then you have to You don't have
to watch every snap, but you got to check in
on their scores every week, fair, Like what's the what's
the cutoff?
Speaker 3 (09:34):
You have to know?
Speaker 2 (09:34):
You have to know, Like if you're a fan of
a team, you got to know like what's going on
with like, yeah, who they lose to, who they win
or who they beat of. You know, you got to
be up to speed on things you call yourself fan.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
So my takeaway for tonight's game, Thursday Night Football, which
is on Amazon, a battle essentially for first place. NFC
West is one especially team that time that the world
doesn't pay attention to, but two quarterbacks who are interesting.
Ones had more consecutive successful seasons on some level than
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the other, but neither are believed to have been anywhere
near the potential that people thought they had when they
started their career. But we're going to make I believe,
we're going to make a statement of who they are
what they are more based upon tonight because nobody pays
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attention on a weekly basis. Dan, When I say nobody,
that doesn't include you, right, but you tell me it's fair.
Doesn't feel like there's the same twelfth band that there
used to be, and people pay a lot less attention
to the Seahawks than they used to.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Well, yeah, they were very popular during the Pete Carrol
Russell Wilson era. However, at the end of the Peak
Carroll era, I think there was a lot of malaise
that came over the Seahawks fan base and even comments
that I saw on social media just stemming from this
past weekends win over the Saints that luman Field felt
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like it did back in the heyday, or started to
feel that way because there was criticism with the Seahawks
fans in Week one with how many forty nine ers
fans were actually in the stadium. So those things happened.
The list of teams that you guys said of the Packers, Steelers,
and Raiders, they do have supreme fan bases and there's
something cool about being a Raiders fan. I'd be curious
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to see on how many new Raiders fans that there are.
But there's no doubt that the Seahawks at one point
were a hot ticket and aren't anymore. And the comparison
that I bring up is not what they did under
their two Super bowls with Pete Carroll, was when they
went to the Super Bowl against the Steelers with Mike
Comngrid and Matt Hasselbeck. They weren't nearly as popular as
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they were under Pete Carroll and they were winning. Then
they went to a Super Bowl. Should have won that
Super Bowl that we all talked about. So there is
this new portion of fans, or specifically with the Seahawks,
where teams become cool, and the Seahawks probably weren't cool
the last couple of years, and I think it's still
gonna take a while for them to be cool again.
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But at least locally in the Pacific Northwest, there seems
to be a renewed energy behind the Seahawks because of
what this team could possibly be.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
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of looking at that. They're trying to win back kind
of their own fan base and there is an energy
about it in the in the pack Northwest. Just the
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Arizona Cardinals are just they're an interesting one, right because
they don't it was it was always always been a
home game for everybody. They were when everyone's accused the
Chargers of and rightfully so, right of being the home
game for the visiting team. It was usually the Cowboy
They used to be in the same division as the Cowboys.
When the Cowboys would come to town, that was their
big game of the year, right, that was their big
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game of the year. And I think, frankly, that's one
of the reasons they signed Emmitt Smith back in the
day right, just because that actually helped their fan base
more than anything, because everybody was a transplant. They're just
in this weird area of they're an NFL team but
not really covered like one.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
I also think that it's a bigger problem in the
NFL than the league would want to.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Say it is.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
Jason and I were at the game last week in Buffalo,
and there was not the problem. There wasn't this huge
contingent of Dolphin fans. Now, did we see Dolphin jerseys. Yes,
But there's also the thought process in some of these places,
specifically like Phoenix, where the viewing option is so good
at home and maybe the cost of going to games
isn't worth it, But if your team is in town
for that one point that season, or for that one
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point within a four year span, you're going to the games.
And I don't know how you fight that if you're
the National Football League. The other thing with tonight, with
I think it's way more about Kyler Murray than it
is about Sam Darnold. And I think that that's a
conversation that we probably have been a year.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Or two removed from.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Why do you think so well?
Speaker 4 (14:10):
I think that last.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
Week is a perfect example of what happened with Marvin
Harrison Junior against the forty nine ers and the awful
drop that he had football.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
What's em When did Marvin Harrison forget to catch football?
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (14:22):
I don't know, and I think everybody's wondering the same thing.
And there was another play in the end zone on
a contested catch that he didn't come down with that
you were surprised. So there's something going on. But also,
the Seahawks front four is one of the best in
the NFL, and maybe at the end of the year
we're going to say that they're the best in the NFL.
We're not there yet, but Seattle's been able to get
pressure on quarterbacks with just their front four. So how
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do you handle this with Kyler Murray? And one of
the things about the Marvin Harrison drop that he had
in the game against the forty nine ers was the
football was unbelievably underthrown. It was not a great pass.
But we aren't talking about that. And it's not to
move the blame off of Marvin Harrison Junior. But to
your point, Doug, in a standalone game, when last week's
Niners Cardinals game was completely covered up by Bears and
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Cowboys for most of the country. This is our opportunity
tonight to see what Kyler Murray can do. And I
think that's where the that's where tonight's verdict comes out, that
tomorrow we're gonna be talking about Kyler Murray a good
or bad when.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
It comes to the Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Okay. And my counterpoint would be, I think the same
thing of Sam Donald because outside of you, I don't
know anybody who's watched Sam Donald outside you red zone.
Couple here, couple there, and the assumption the last time
we saw Sam Donald was the playoffs and he struggled, right,
and it was the assumption was that the only reason
he was good in the Twin Cities was because of
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the surrounding cast and the coach, not because of Sam Donald. Right.
So now again we it's our first chance on a national,
national level to see Sam Donald, you know, play on TV.
We will make the fair or unfair assessment of who
he is based upon how he played.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
He's been fine this year, but this is also a
home game, so I think there's more on your quarterback,
Like if you don't win this game, if if the
Seahawks go on the road and lose.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
They lost. I mean, this is a jammed up division.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
Everybody's two and one except the Niners who are three
and oh so yeah. I think there's more of the
jury out on Kyler Murray tonight than Donald. It's not
to absolve Donald of any responsibility, but I just think
that Murray's more of the conversation.
Speaker 6 (16:31):
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Speaker 1 (16:38):
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Do Do Do Do? Today is a Thursday. I don't
know what it's like in southern California. I'm guessing it's beautiful,
but I can tell you it's cloudy. I can tell
you this. The weather in Green Bay, Wisconsin is nicer
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here then as nice here as it is anywhere in
the country. At eighty degrees no humanity, absolutely spectacular, breezy.
Last night, there's no fog, no smog. Mama cooked the
breakfast with no howg It's a great, great day. Hope
you're having one as well.
Speaker 7 (17:15):
Well.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Gets ready for Thursday football this hour. Chris Filik is
gonna join us from the bear Bets. Get you some
picks for the upcoming college football weekend. I wear a
lot of hats in my life. Right. I'm a head
coach of the Phoenix, I'm a radio host, I'm a dad.
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These are all things that take up parts of my day,
of my time. I don't know if you guys knew,
but I'm also I'm also a judge. Right, I'm also
a judge. And part of being a judge is you
got to hear both sides and then you gotta rule.
So what we thought we would do, Okay, what we
thought we would do? In reference to cal Raley hitting
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his novel one, not two, not three, but his sixtieth
home run last night, I would be the judge as
to who should be the AL MVP. Now here's the
first thing, okay, And before we get into these arguments,
we have to stop with the ah. He's number two
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now on the most home runs in AL history. Does
anyone reference an sat or an at act score from
somebody who cheated on the exam, any sort of cheating
on the exam? No, And since it's already been we've
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already been told. And look, even if you want to
buy the ridiculous story that I had no idea, I
didn't knowingly use steroids. The fact is that Barry Bonds,
Semi Sosa, Mark McGuire admitted to knowingly using it. You
used steroids. In other words, there was some form of cheating, right,
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some form of cheating in order for them to attain
those ridiculous numbers. Let's just stop b yessing about it.
Everybody knows it was tainted, So pretend like it just
didn't happen, just like we all do that with you know,
somebody has cheats on a test, it gets thrown out,
or they get an f they get kicked out, they
get exposed, or maybe you have to retake it, whatever,
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But we don't pretend like the test score is a
valid one if it was achieved through nefarious ways, through
nefarious ways. So I'll play the judge. All right, Ah,
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this is a National Court of Public Radio. Your judge
Doug Gottlieb presiding. The question is on the doc of today,
Who is the rightful al MVP? Okay? Is it Aaron Judge?
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No relation? Or is it Cal Rawley. It is funny
quick aside when I hear somebody's name cal Chase Stu.
We grew up in southern California. Doesn't it make you
think of cal Worthington and Worthington Ford right where he
would have like the tiger on the commercial. God, that
was just such old school nineties stuff. It was so
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awesome back in the day. Go see cow, Go see cow. Anyway,
let's get after it now. Is it just gonna be
Cavino and passing or are you guys gonna take gonna
take a side as well.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
I'll take it from here.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
I'll take it from here.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Thank you, judge, I'll take it from here.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
You need to properly address me as such.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
So Doug told me prior to the show they wanted
to do this, this one idea. I had not executed it,
so I'm going based on how he told me about it,
but I thought it would be best. He's like, I
want you to persent both sides. You make compelling arguments
for both sides, and I'll be the judge to choose
which one I I most agree with or which who's
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going to be the m v P. But I thought
I really only have a compelling argument about one thing,
because unlike you, who loves to straddle defense, I actually
pick aside and I go like vigorously at that side.
That's that's my that's my that's my break pause. So
I'm going to allow Fox Sport Radio superstar Steve Covino,
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who hosts the show right after us with Rich Davis
Coveno and Rich. I'm gonna have Steve Covino, who is
a Yankee Diehard make his case, and then I want
to also add Jeff Passen, MLB insider's case for Aaron Judge.
I want you to listen each of these and.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Then their character, their character witness is so what you're
saying correct.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
So this is Steve Covino of Covino and Rich.
Speaker 7 (22:09):
The dude is incredible, and he leads in every single
category that is a major category. And I'll tell you
except for home runs a RBI, he leads an average
on base percentage, slugging, ops, run scored, war walks, total bases,
extra hits. Raleigh leads in home run and RBI barely,
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and he's.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Played more.
Speaker 7 (22:34):
Almost twenty more. Would have something close if he didn't
miss a game, Judge was hurt. What he's doing is remarkable,
and just because he's been there, done that, you're like, yeah, whatever, dude, whatever.
The Yankees would not be there without Judge and the Mariners. Yeah,
he's doing great for a catcher, but you don'tjudge MVP
based on great for a catcher. Judge leads in every
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major category except for two and Raleigh bare Me.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
I see, so this is.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
This is Jeff Passon's reason why he would likely vote
for Aaron Judge.
Speaker 8 (23:09):
I would go Aaron Judge, and I would feel terrible
about it. And yet one and seventy five points in
OPS is an enormous gap. I was ever someone who
when I voted, got like fatigue on a guy. It's
more I marvel at him even more that he's been
able to do it year over year. And Aaron Judge,
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at his size, with all of the pieces and parts
that he asked to move, turning into the best hitter,
the best home round hitter, the best hitter in Major
League Baseball was not something I had on my Bingo card.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
I'm going to use Bingo.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
He used the Bingo card, He used the Bengo car.
Isn't that an automatic eliminator? I don't you have to?
You have to what's it called when you're the lawyer
and you you dispute something on the judge. Yes, go ahead, object.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Do you have that last part of raised from the record.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
We can have it stricken from the record.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Ultimate ultimate sign of ad is using the phrase I
didn't have that on my bingo card. But knowing Jeff, I.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Was today years old. Also I was today years old.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
That no, no, no bingo cards worse. I will say
this knowing Jeff a little bit, knowing passing a little bit.
He's he's the guy who uses bingo card. That's all
I'm gonna say so, Jeff. Jeff addressed the two major
things going in Aaron judges favor the discrepancy in the OPS.
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That's a big, big stat with the nerds. And he
fights against voter fatigue. He doesn't want, you know, he
doesn't want the Charles Barkley or the Karl Malone. He
wants you to vote from Michael Jordan every year because
he's the greatest UH player in the league and the
most valuable. I will make a case for cal Rawley
right now, Judge, if you may.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Yes, uh, well, here a statements opening statement from the
lawyer representing the site for cal Raley, Chaston Stewart.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Go ahead, please, we have never seen a season like
this from a player that plays catcher predominantly. I think
he's spent like twenty games as a DH, but he
has hit like over fifty fifty plus home runs as
a catcher, which is just remarkable when you think about
the taxing, the taxing of what it's like to be
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a catcher. Why we always see catcher's numbers decline in
the second half of the season, Why we always see
catcher's careers and late they're doing upwards of one hundred
and fifty squats per game. They need to also the
mental fatigue of knowing the strengths and weaknesses of every
hitter on the other team and the strengths and weaknesses
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of the pitchers on the other team. When you hit,
there is a mental fatigue combined with a physical fatigue,
which is why you never get these numbers from a catcher.
Sixty home runs is the third most home runs ever
hit by anybody in the history of baseball. And again
to judges, to Doug's first point, i completely dismiss McGuire, Sosa,
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and Bonds. I'm not putting them in this category. Cal
Rawley deserves the award because of the position he plays,
and it very much needs to be considered in this argument.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
It's a very compelling case, very very compelling case. I
was I'm intrigued by the fact that the lawyer representing
the cal Raley side did not list park rankings as
part of it.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Right.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
In terms of hitters ballparks, the Mariners Park is t
mobile Park is the considered, if not the worst, one
of the worst in Major League Baseball. I'm actually looking
at baseballsavant MLB dot com. It's listed as the twenty
seventh best park in baseball. Twenty seventh. That is that is,
(27:05):
excuse me, twenty eighth. I don't know why there's not
every team listed, but there's twenty eight on this and
they are park factor. It is the hardest park to
hit in in Major League Baseball, fewer hits, fewer home runs,
basically a dead baseball as opposed to the New Yankee Stadium,
which is a home run hitters park. Uh it's actually uh,
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the has the third most homer's hit in it, the
Reds Great American Ballpark and Dodger Stadium. At part of
the Dodgers Stadium is that they have, you know, the
best player in baseball. But Mariners Park is a dead
ball park. That hasn't been presented as part of the info.
I just I find it find it to be interesting.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
I want to I wanted to make sure that my
point that he is a catcher needs to be the focus.
That's the most powerful point of this. So yeah, I
could have I could have kind of deluded it with
numbers that you just pointed out, judge, but I wanted
to make a powerful case to the jury that you
should only focus on one thing. He puts a catcher's
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mask on, and he has the physical and the mental
fatigue of playing catcher for one hundred and sixty games.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Okay, just I'm checking through my notes here as a judge,
I do believe you said he was DH for twenty games,
so the numbers a little bit lower, correct, I just
wanted then one hundred sixty games They doesn't play, He
doesn't play catch one hundred and sixty games. I want
just but did you know that cal Ray is also
considered one of the best defensive catchers in baseball? Did
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you guys know that.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
By what? Metruck I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
This is just baseball dot Com I was looking at earlier.
I think that's actually considering his offense too.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
I haven't. I've never heard that about his defense.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
I heard that either, but I hear that either when
I when I I googled before the show, that's what
I came up.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
I've never seen on TV or in my uh, in
my suspense novels, I've never seen the judge argue with
the prosecutor over points that they didn't make.
Speaker 6 (29:18):
I just this is this is uh.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
You approached the bench and I discussed it, Bayer.
Speaker 7 (29:24):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
You are the bailiff or do you want to do
you want to present any side of this argument?
Speaker 5 (29:31):
I think on the bailiff is a is a good role.
I have an opinion, but you guys had good arguments.
I'll just sit there and listen.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Nobody will nobody, nobody just it's just.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
Me and you Buyer. What do you think I think
it should be? Cal Raley?
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Is that the heartstrings thing? Is that your mariners.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Absolutely the heart like, no that I don't care about
the mariners.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
But no, yeah, I actually think that's the bigger point.
Nobody cares about the mariners.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Judge, as a random observer in the gallery, I'd like
to just point out your excellent point about the difficulty
of homering out of Seattle's ballpark and all the other
things you presented, but the difficulty of homering in Seattle
is a point that must not be lost on this court.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Thank you, sir.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
We'll take this into my chambers. Okay, I've decided to
make a ruling in the case of Aaron Judge versus
cal Raleigh for the AL MVP in the Court of
Sports National Sports Radio Doug Gottlieb opinion. I rule in
the favor of Calvin Raleigh. I award him with the
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American League MVP, and the court offers no with with
no prejudice. This is my final ruling. There will be
no appeal, and I want to hear nothing from Cavino
and Rich until it's their turn to have a Nasha
Radio shows. Yeah, I get I'm with you, Jase Stuart.
(31:11):
It's one of those I you know, there'll be people
who say, well, like, okay, so then should you take
into account that Lebron James is forty years old for
the MVP. No, this is a positional thing and we
have not seen and you talked about it at mid season, right,
we'll get to the All Star break. You're like, what
do you guys think is gonna happen the second half
the season. We all thought there would be a decline,
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didn't know how much, and there hasn't. And then you
factor in he's in Seattle, and then you factor in
there they're in a pennant chase or a playoff, wild
card chase, whatever. So it's not like he's playing meaningful
games where guys are just serving up taters. So he
can hit sixty and I think it's phenomenal. And yes,
Aaron Judge does have overall a better hitting resume, but
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he stands out there in the outfield, and every thought
through his mind is, h this is boring out here
in the outfield, And what do I do the next
time I'm at batner?
Speaker 9 (32:05):
You're out of.
Speaker 6 (32:10):
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App Stuck Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio. So I think
I know why people don't like Russell Wilson. And when
I say people, I mean a lot of people, especially
in sports. And I think there was a time in
which most fans, okay most people who aren't in the
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know gravitated towards Russell because he was drafted what in
the third round. The perception, whether it's real or not,
is that he was run out of n C State
and he went to Wisconsin won a Rose Bowl.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
He was a a.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
They didn't win the.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Rose Ball, No, they lost the Oregon I believe it
was the Rose bull with that team.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
I know it was.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
They had an incredible running game and Russe was incredible,
but they lost to I think a Chip Kelly Oregon
team right in a really good game.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Yeah, my bad, go ahead, Dan.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
They lost three straight Rose Bulls.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
I had that, but that was the one Rose Bull
like that was that backfield was.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Ridiculous Monte ball and didn't they have James White at
the same time. And then I remember they put like
eighty three points up on Indiana Uh and just kept
just plow plowed, plowed fields for days.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Couldn't beat Organ. My bad anyway, if you look on
paper and you and you took snapshots of who he
was and things he said at times like Russell Wilson
should be among the most popular NFL players ever, right
too small. Uh went to Wisconsin after leaving NC State
(34:03):
because he wanted to play baseball right, and then he
goes to Wisconsin. They go to a Rose Bowl. Okay,
they didn't win the Rose Bowl, but comes into the NFL,
you know, and beats out Matt Flynn, takes the job
two super bowls, wins the Super Bowl, even with the
interception in the loss to the Patriots. People don't put
(34:23):
the blame on Russell Wilson to this day. It's all
about offensive coordinator, Repeat Carroll, and the narrative was, now, look,
some of the players of the Seahawks will be like, well,
you did that to help Russell Wilson, but no one is.
I've yet to hear anyone else that matters to me, right,
And opinions go, you know, blew that Super Bowl, Russell
(34:44):
Wilson because that throw is low where you know, Malcolm
Butler can't pick it off. But regardless of it, okay,
he is not. And I think a lot of it
is how it's ended these last four the end of
the end of the Seahawks run. The two years in
Denver didn't work, the year in Pittsburgh didn't work, and
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now it's not working with the New York Giants. I think, again,
I could be wrong, it's that he is yet to
show us that, like you're a human being, a human being,
because when you're programmed, you go Broncos Country, Let's ride
or I'm unlimited. It just found it sounds feels cheesy,
(35:30):
feels inorganic. And again, like we don't always see through
artificial things. Matter of fact, some things which appear to
be too good to be true and really are, people
will have conspiracy theories about why they actually exist. But
I want you to listen to Russell Wilson. Remember he
essentially got demoted and he'll probably never be a team's
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number one again. He may start because maybe Jackson darts, thinks,
or gets hurt or whatever. He may go somewhere else
next to year and is a placeholder until a draft
picked plays. But the likelhood of him being QB one
for entire season is over. So when asked about it,
there's a way I would react. You would react if
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we're being honest. Here's Russell Wilson's reaction.
Speaker 10 (36:14):
Now, I'm focused on helping this team win. You know
I'm focused on helping Jackson. I'm focused on me getting
ready to be the best version of me today on Wednesday,
and so you know I want to be here. You know,
I love this organization, I love the process of it all.
Just love the guys in the locker room. I'm not
giving up on this, on us in this season.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
It's great that you're not giving up. Okay, it's great
that you want to support Jackson, but I love everybody.
When you've played three games, two games ago, you had
an unbelievable football game. What he threw four hundred and
fifty yards right? Whatever he did at the end. Again,
like he had an unbelievable game. They pull him a
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week later. A real human being says, I'm devastated. I just,
I just I don't know what happened. I understand, but
I'm personally devastated. Like I'm mentally and emotionally all in,
still all in, but this one hurts. He just can't
(37:12):
do it. He just can't do it. He's so busy
being at Tony Robbins, you know, mental health help book.
He just can't let us in and be vulnerable. That's
the Dog Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. You
want to talk college football, then you got to go
get to Josh Pate, coach the Josh pat College Football Show.
(37:33):
You see him on ESPN and on three Sports and
Yahoo's Sports, and he lives in your head, Rent Free,
Let's just be honest with it. Big SEC weekend. Well
we'll get to in a second. But James Franklin, you know,
going back to his time in the SEC, granted it
was a Vanderbilt, but started to build up the reputation
of he can beat anybody but ranked teams. Now you're
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at Penn State, very different calculus. Still struggle to beat
ranked teams. Oregon comes in, they've looked like world beaters.
They didn't play great, but beat north beat THEWLLA in
Northwestern essentially got my Gundy fired as well. Penn State
has Drew Aller, who you know, without doing much is
is jumping up draft bards.
Speaker 9 (38:14):
What do you think, Josh, that's a great way to
describe Drew Aller so far this year, buddy, He hadn't
done anything. They haven't done anything. No one in this
matchup has played anyone. So you know that thing that
happened sometimes It happened in the Illinois Indiana game last
week where you have a point spread underdog, and yet
the entire country is betting the underdog to win. Outright,
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that did not fare well for people back in Illinois.
Last week, everyone's on Oregon. Man. I did a poll
on Twitter the other day. I had like fifteen thousand votes,
So that's really scientific. Like seventy five percent of people
took Oregon to win outright, there were three and a
half point dogs. So my thinking on this is, what's
the reason. Let's not just talk about what Penn State
and James Franklin haven't done. That's very obvious. Four against
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ranked teams or top ten teams or whatever, like, why
haven't they been able to win? Well, the answer is
they've never been dynamic at receiver. They have not been
able to push the ball down the field. All right.
So then we arrive in spring, they go to the portal,
they get some difference makers there. I go there and
watch them in fall camp when they're going good on good,
they look great. They're winning fifty to fifty balls, they're
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pushing the ball down the field. Then we arrived. For
three weeks of the season, they play inferior opponents. They've
done nothing. They're passing games, anemic accuracies off for alur
But we got one of two things in play here,
and I'm going to take Penn State because I think
it's the latter. But it's either that just really is
who they are, or they've bobbled some stuff up and
they're going to give a lot of looks to Oregon
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that we haven't really seen so far this year. I
just dug its classic situation of one team wants to
win it. It'd be really great for Orgon to win this.
Everything about Penn State's identity this year is riding on
winning this game. They could go to Columbus and lose,
that's okay. They cannot sit here at home, rev roster
by week to prep for it. Oregon, young team, flying
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cross country, new quarterback and still lose. That cannot happen.
So somehow, some way, I think dust settles Saturday night
and they sort of do the whole bear crawl over
broken glass to a win thing.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Hmm, that should be fascinating. Okay, let's do Bama Georgia
same thing. George doesn't lose at home? Everybody think you know,
people were selling every bit of Bama stock after losing
to Florida State. What if Florida State's actually good and
what if Bama's starting to figure it out? Can Bama
go down to Athens and get a win.
Speaker 9 (40:34):
Yeah, well, I mean, so let's just go to what
what if all of what you said there is true?
What if Florida State is really good? What if Bama
has gotten their act together. They just had a little
wobbly tire on the car early in the season, they
pulled over, they tightened the lug nuts, They're good. All
that can be true, and then still lose here. Georgie
is very good. Do you realize they have not lost
their home game since before COVID It was Will muss
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Champ in South Carolina in a three and nine season,
no less, by the way, for sept Landa that beat
them at home last So my stance on this is
kind of like when I talk to you about the
Georgia Tennessee game. I could paint you a pass for
Tennessee to win that game, just like I could paint
you a really clear path for not only Bama to
win here, but dominate. There is a world if ty
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Simpson has given time to throw, if that O line
stands up against frankly a Georgia front that hasn't produced
a lot of pressure so far this year, they will
rip Georgia secondary George is very vulnerable. This is not
a ventage. Georgia's secondary. Bama has got thorough breads in
that wide receiver room. So if that's the case, it's
a Bama knight and they'll quiet that crowd. I am
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going to have to see that to believe it. They
are penalty ridden on the road. They are a different
team on the road under the bors so far aside
from the LSU game last year. So if I'm going
to be proven wrong, sir, I'm going to be proven
wrong by Georgia doing something at home they hadn't done
since twenty eighteen. I'm going to be proven wrong by
Bama doing something it's uncharacteristic to their road nature. And
if it happens, it happens. I just got to see
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it to believe it.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
I happen to be on TikTok saw your real right,
and and you talked about Auburn's lack of exposive plays
and how everything's dinking dunk around the line of scrimmage
and Jack Narold's more of a runner than a thrower.
That said, you know a trick play, which is an
illegal play, and then a couple of other questionable calls
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going against them. They lose a heartbreaker to Oaklhoman. Now
they get to go to A and M. And A
and M's on the opposite side, you know, with a
call that goes their way in order to beat Notre Dame.
We do have a history there though, of A and
M losing big home games. Is this one of them? Yeah?
Speaker 9 (42:41):
So I got a head heart conflict here. My head
is just telling me, don't overthink the room man like Auburn,
just because they lost the game doesn't mean they automatically
bounced back. This is a very cool sport. And A
and M is arrested. This is a double road stretch
for Auburn. That's why I that Oklahoma game was so critical. Well,
if you lose it, you got to go right back
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on the road against the rested team in a very
tough environment. All right, that's what my head says. My
heart says. My heart's where all of the logic is,
and my body it's inverted. My heart says. You know,
your entire life, you've watched teams lose, especially ones who
can run the ball like Auburn. Can they lose and
then they're in wounded animal mode. Total desperation mode, and
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you find yourself watching them defying conventional wisdom, and they
just win a tough game the next week. And it's
tough to kill these teams. It's trying to like nail
a jello to the wall sometimes to really get them.
Here's what I wonder, I really wonder if that explosivity
we saw out of that A and M passing game
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is just here to stay because it was against Notre Dame.
Is it just here to stay? If it is, and
you're making Auburn trade points with you to keep up
Jackson Arnold's not going to do that, and they'll end
up turning the ball over and it will be A
and M's day. I think if Auburn wins this game,
that box scores really crooked. It's like seventeen passes fifty
two runs. It's way way warped. That is Auburn's game.
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That's their path here. It's the game I'm most conflicted on.
I picked A and M. I'm very very conflicted on it.
There is absolutely nothing in that game that would shock
me either way.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Okay, sc Illinois, Illinois gets stomped last week at Indiana,
I don't help me explain explain this one to me?
Speaker 4 (44:31):
Right?
Speaker 1 (44:32):
They beat Duke Western Illinois Western Michigan that he beat
sixty three to ten, granted on the road. I don't
really know why Illinois is still ranked other than we
just couldn't like I guess you couldn't find twenty five
teams to rank it was. That bigger question is sc
fresh off of road win against Purdue. They're a six
and a half point favorite, so not a touchdown favorite,
but almost at Illinois.
Speaker 9 (44:53):
Who do you like? That one doesn't look like it
makes a whole lot of sense, does it, Especially if
you stayed up late and you watched Southern out a
car of Michigan State up last week, and then most
people had already seen what Indiana did. Man, they splattered Illinois.
I'm going to this game, By the way, I've never
been to an Illinois game. I have got to do
what I did with A and m Auburn. I got
to see it to believe it. It may be the
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most square side in the world. I don't know how
you don't lay the points with USC here. I also
think I think I talked to you about this a
couple of weeks ago too. If you start to watch
usc Nohen Lincoln had Caleb Williams a couple of years ago.
You're thinking, Man, Caleb Williams, supreme talent, top overall draft pick,
blah blah blah. I am telling you I feel even
stronger about it. Two weeks later. I think he's got
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a better quarterback for a system right now, Jadon Mayava,
I don't want to compare talent profiles.
Speaker 4 (45:42):
I just want to talk.
Speaker 9 (45:43):
About the job of a quarterback within a system. Jad
and Mayava a stud man, and you look at the
smiles on that coaching staff's faces. That dude's playing within
that system better than Caleb Williams ever played within Lincoln
Riley system. And you can coach that. I mean, just
talking from a coach's perspective. If you got a guy
who's got adequate to really high level skill, which may
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Aava does, and he's doing what you ask him to do,
but he's also got that improvisation, he's got that X factor,
that intangible stuff you can't coach, ability to make you
look like a genius three or four times a game,
and he's ascending like he's just now really figuring it out.
They're a very dangerous team. They've got stud wide receivers.
They lost Branch that is George's number one receiver right now,
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and they've still got two studs out there. So I
know it's it's desperation time for Illinois. I know all that.
I'm going to the game for that reason, but man,
it's going to take a fight to stay in that
game with USC. You're going to the game, I'm going
up there, and then I'm going down to Athens later
that night. How can you just go to one game
on a Saturday like this?
Speaker 1 (46:47):
I mean, that sounds like a PJ deal. If you
need somebody to hopp in in the PJ and fill
it up, you let me know. LSU ole Miss this
is This would be a pretty good pregame battle right
pregame at the Grover pregame at LSU under Lights after
dud game in Oxford, ReBs a point a half favorite.
Speaker 9 (47:08):
Yeah, that one cross zero earlier this week. Honestly, I
think ole Miss is going to take this game. I'm
concerned about LSU. They're undefeated, and a lot of times
when teams are undefeated, people are just blatantly ignoring warning signs.
They have warning signs all over the place right now.
But they're a really good defense, so it's masked them.
But once again, they're not running the ball like they should.
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Once again, they're in the what I think upper thirties
to upper twenties, low thirties passing and in the hundreds rushing.
And it's just inexplicable that you could never be able
to run the ball at LSU, but they can't. I
don't like the offensive staff versus defensive staff matchup here
for LSU at all. Now. One of the best matchups
all weekend will be Kissing versus Blake Baker. That's phenomenal,
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that's pay per view quality stuff. But I'm telling you
they have not faced a team. LSU has not faced
a team yet that force them to trade points. Clemson
didn't credit to LSU. Florida didn't. They turn them over
five times. Credit to LSUS. This team right here, you're
not holding under twenty I don't think. And so this
is where nuth Meyer has to make some plays. He's
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had an abdominal issue all year. It has not cost
them yet, but I don't know if they're put in
a position where they need thirty or they need thirty
four to win this game if it's there without taking
the kind of risk that forces turnovers. So I think
Ole miss wins this game, and afterwards we're asking a
lot of questions about LSU we already should have been asking.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
Josh is the best man. By the way, you can
go check out Josh Pate Okay, the Josh Pate College
Football Show. You see him on ESPN, on three Sports,
and Yahoo's Sports. Check them out on YouTube. You can
get Josh Pate everywhere, but you can only get him
answering my questions on my show.
Speaker 4 (48:52):
That's my sale. That's my sale.
Speaker 1 (48:54):
Save travels in that private jet. I'm a little sad
I didn't get the invite, but somehow I'll get over it.
Speaker 9 (49:00):
Thanks Josh, I appreciate it, brother,
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Bring the boom X Boom down dun dundam. Okay, So oh,
this is a weird one on a Thursday night, right
cause if you were to say, hey, it's Thursday night
(01:09):
football standalone game, You're like, well, you know, I mean,
baseball's getting sort of exciting, exciting, but not playoffs yet
so still football time, right, because there are there's a
portion of us. I think most of us prefer obviously
playoff baseball to regular season football, not on Sundays. But
baseball does a good job of the most part of
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avoiding that. But there's no real excuse for watching anything else.
I mean, I guess if I was watching Mets Cubs
last night, you know, maybe that's part of it. There's
some other games you can watch, but standalone football is
generally pretty awesome. Thursday night FOOTBA obviously on Amazon tonight
it's the Cardinals who are off to a hot start,
although if you watch them play, you're like, okay against
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the Seahawks, so you have a divisional matchup, and of
course the Seahawks are buyers team, not he doesn't own
the TA, you you know, that's where his fandom goes.
And I do think this is one in which we
are going to peer into and watch and we will
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make a huge mistake, but we're gonna do it anyway,
which is, we're gonna make a determination into if Sam
Darnold can play, or if Kyler Murray can play, or
what everything looks like with the Cardinals or with the
Seahawks based upon this one game, and it's a Thursday
night game, and as we all know, generally, especially as
the season goes on, the quality of play Thursday night
(02:34):
is not usually great because the bodies aren't really recovered
from the week before, and you know, it doesn't feel
like you have as much time to invest in game
planning and scouting and all that other stuff for whatever reason.
I mean, I'm giving you reasons that quality play not
really great on Thursdays. But we're gonna I'm not saying
byer and I'm not saying and I don't are there
actually Arizona Cardinal fans that don't live in Arizona. I
(02:56):
don't think the answer is yes. So these are two
teams that the Seahawks, who had the Twelfth Man had
a huge following. Doesn't feel like that's a thing anymore,
as much of a thing as it used to be.
But it was definitely a thing, and that's only because
they were winning for you know, a good six seven
years there, two Super Bowls, one super Bowl win. But
(03:17):
unless you sustain it, and sustained it at a high level,
it's hard to have those kind of national fan bases
the way that Steelers have the way the Cowboys haven't.
I know, the Cowboys haven't won anything recently but the
three Super Bowls and then the success in the seventies.
But you look at tonight and it's like Arizona doesn't
really have fan base. Seattle does, but they're kind of
lukewarm on the whole idea of this rebuilding what they're doing.
(03:40):
You have a former number one pick, former number three
pick in the draft one has been on the same team,
and a Kyler Murray, but you know, most people think
he played too many video games for much of his
career and he's just okay. Darnald was seeing ghosts when
he was in with the Jets, lost his job in Carolina,
back up in San Francisco, lit it up in Minnesota,
(04:02):
but the offensive coordinator in the skill position guys getting
more of the credit wasn't good at the end of
the year. And now all of a sudden he's in Seattle.
He comes off a game which they won, but part
of it was that the competition was inept. Again, I
just think that the takeaway from tonight's game is going
to be one point five to two x of what
it should be because these are two of the teams
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in the NFL that exist in every statistical column but
don't really exist in our minds. I mean outside again,
Buyer is a Seahawks fan, so he watches every snap.
I don't know anybody who claims who claims to be
an Arizona Cardinal fan. Do you guys know anybody who's, like,
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you know what, he's an Arizona Cardinal fan. I'm not
saying they don't exist, but I'm saying they don't really exist.
It's like when we say, like, well, everybody's a I
know Cowboy fans, I know Raider fans, I know Ram fans,
I know Niner fans, I know Dolphin fans, Steeler fans,
(05:08):
Giant fans. There's a lot of TV guys or Jets fans.
I don't know a single Areazon a Cardinal fan.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
All those weird doug all those teams you mentioned have
won a Super Bowl, So maybe that's the issue.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
It's possible. I mean, the Raiders haven't won a Super
Bowl a long long time, long, long, long long time.
No Chiefs fans, A couple of Texans fans, although they're
a newer franchise. Jase du can you think of anybody
in your orbit. And Jason, you've lived, grown up, been
around southern California, it's the neighboring state. Do you know
(05:45):
anyone who's an Arizona Cardinal fan?
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Not one?
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Nope, I don't think they actually like again in Arizona.
There's some people now. It used to be a transient market.
It still is. COVID that this phoenix just exploded. It's
like twice the size. It's mass if so, this is
not me crapping on the Cardinals. The Cardinals have been
to a Super Bowl. They were within one play, one
great drive from the Pittsburgh Steers of winning a super Bowl.
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But there I I've not like I would guess that
in terms of deer sold in the last twenty years,
the Cardinals would probably be last. What do you guys think? Like,
I'm I I'm not even googling it. It's just something
that crossed my mind. I will bet if I said
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Sam Google, which I'm saying Sam Google, that you know
teams and Jersey sales or whatever. Have you ever run
into somebody who's like, who's your team? The Arizona Cardinals?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Like what, I personally don't know a single Cardinals fan.
And I'm not trying to be mean.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
I just don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
I'm not I'm not either. I'm just like and and
and again for for people who are listing in whatever.
We're in all these markets all over the country. I
know I was reading one for folks. We're in North Dakota, right,
We're from North Dakota to Wichita, several place in the
East coast, and obviously in Oklahoma. We're here in Appleton
in Wisconsin. W're all these different markets. Have you ever
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been walking down the street or you ever been in
a sports bar? You ever be in a sports bar
and somebody's like, hey, hey, hey, can you tell the
bartender to put on the Cardinals game? That's my team?
But they walk in with a Kyler Murray jersey. I
don't think it's amazing. And what we're saying is this
is the most popular sport in the country, but there
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are certain teams that get just zero love, have zero
attention because they don't have much of a fan base.
And I think the Cardinals are probably right there in
line with I mean, the Panthers had a had a following,
not they went to a Super Bowl, but they also
had Cam Newton who was exceedingly popular. They've had others, right,
you have one of my favorite linebackers of all time.
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They have some you know, Steve Smith became a TV personality.
Obviously he's got some personal stuff that he's gone through.
But you know, Tampa, it wasn't a lot, but Tom
Brady won a Super Bowl. And there's a couple New
Orleans people from New Orleans obviously usually more college fall fans,
but they love them Saints. I don't know anybody whos
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a Cardinals fan. Yes, go ahead, So.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I found her this Ranker article that has found some
celebrity fans of the Arizona Cardinals I could share with you.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
So we got a Frankie Muniz who grew up in Scottsdale, Arizona.
That he was from Malcolm the Middle. Now he's a
race car driver, David Spade, who has a lot of
connections to the state of Arizona. I think he went
to Arizona State. He is also a Cardinals fan. It
says Gwen Stefani and Blake Shelton are Cardinals fans because
Blake Shelton was a fan of the Cardinals and then
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so she's married to him. Now and she's a fan county. Yeah,
well you could you you could adopt a team in
the Southwest. But there's a couple of celebrities for you
that are so called Arizona Cardinals fans.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Do we think that they actually own a jersey that
they paint their face, that they tail get outside, that
they do they watch the random game on the road
against Like you you know you're a fan when like
you're a fan of Iowa football, you watch every Iowa game. Like,
if we want to list you online as a fan
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of said team, then you have to You don't have
to watch every snap, but you got to check in
on their scores every week, fair, Like what's the what's
the cutoff?
Speaker 3 (09:34):
You have to know?
Speaker 2 (09:34):
You have to know, Like if you're a fan of
a team, you got to know like what's going on
with like, yeah, who they lose to, who they win
or who they beat of. You know, you got to
be up to speed on things you call yourself fan.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
So my takeaway for tonight's game, Thursday Night Football, which
is on Amazon, a battle essentially for first place. NFC
West is one especially team that time that the world
doesn't pay attention to, but two quarterbacks who are interesting.
Ones had more consecutive successful seasons on some level than
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the other, but neither are believed to have been anywhere
near the potential that people thought they had when they
started their career. But we're going to make I believe,
we're going to make a statement of who they are
what they are more based upon tonight because nobody pays
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attention on a weekly basis. Dan, When I say nobody,
that doesn't include you, right, but you tell me it's fair.
Doesn't feel like there's the same twelfth band that there
used to be, and people pay a lot less attention
to the Seahawks than they used to.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Well, yeah, they were very popular during the Pete Carrol
Russell Wilson era. However, at the end of the Peak
Carroll era, I think there was a lot of malaise
that came over the Seahawks fan base and even comments
that I saw on social media just stemming from this
past weekends win over the Saints that luman Field felt
(11:06):
like it did back in the heyday, or started to
feel that way because there was criticism with the Seahawks
fans in Week one with how many forty nine ers
fans were actually in the stadium. So those things happened.
The list of teams that you guys said of the Packers, Steelers,
and Raiders, they do have supreme fan bases and there's
something cool about being a Raiders fan. I'd be curious
(11:29):
to see on how many new Raiders fans that there are.
But there's no doubt that the Seahawks at one point
were a hot ticket and aren't anymore. And the comparison
that I bring up is not what they did under
their two Super bowls with Pete Carroll, was when they
went to the Super Bowl against the Steelers with Mike
Comngrid and Matt Hasselbeck. They weren't nearly as popular as
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they were under Pete Carroll and they were winning. Then
they went to a Super Bowl. Should have won that
Super Bowl that we all talked about. So there is
this new portion of fans, or specifically with the Seahawks,
where teams become cool, and the Seahawks probably weren't cool
the last couple of years, and I think it's still
gonna take a while for them to be cool again.
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But at least locally in the Pacific Northwest, there seems
to be a renewed energy behind the Seahawks because of
what this team could possibly be.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
I will get more on that to come. This is
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of looking at that. They're trying to win back kind
of their own fan base and there is an energy
about it in the in the pack Northwest. Just the
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Arizona Cardinals are just they're an interesting one, right because
they don't it was it was always always been a
home game for everybody. They were when everyone's accused the
Chargers of and rightfully so, right of being the home
game for the visiting team. It was usually the Cowboy
They used to be in the same division as the Cowboys.
When the Cowboys would come to town, that was their
big game of the year, right, that was their big
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game of the year. And I think, frankly, that's one
of the reasons they signed Emmitt Smith back in the
day right, just because that actually helped their fan base
more than anything, because everybody was a transplant. They're just
in this weird area of they're an NFL team but
not really covered like one.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
I also think that it's a bigger problem in the
NFL than the league would want to.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Say it is.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
Jason and I were at the game last week in Buffalo,
and there was not the problem. There wasn't this huge
contingent of Dolphin fans. Now, did we see Dolphin jerseys. Yes,
But there's also the thought process in some of these places,
specifically like Phoenix, where the viewing option is so good
at home and maybe the cost of going to games
isn't worth it, But if your team is in town
for that one point that season, or for that one
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point within a four year span, you're going to the games.
And I don't know how you fight that if you're
the National Football League. The other thing with tonight, with
I think it's way more about Kyler Murray than it
is about Sam Darnold. And I think that that's a
conversation that we probably have been a year.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Or two removed from.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Why do you think so well?
Speaker 4 (14:10):
I think that last.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
Week is a perfect example of what happened with Marvin
Harrison Junior against the forty nine ers and the awful
drop that he had football.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
What's em When did Marvin Harrison forget to catch football?
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (14:22):
I don't know, and I think everybody's wondering the same thing.
And there was another play in the end zone on
a contested catch that he didn't come down with that
you were surprised. So there's something going on. But also,
the Seahawks front four is one of the best in
the NFL, and maybe at the end of the year
we're going to say that they're the best in the NFL.
We're not there yet, but Seattle's been able to get
pressure on quarterbacks with just their front four. So how
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do you handle this with Kyler Murray? And one of
the things about the Marvin Harrison drop that he had
in the game against the forty nine ers was the
football was unbelievably underthrown. It was not a great pass.
But we aren't talking about that. And it's not to
move the blame off of Marvin Harrison Junior. But to
your point, Doug, in a standalone game, when last week's
Niners Cardinals game was completely covered up by Bears and
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Cowboys for most of the country. This is our opportunity
tonight to see what Kyler Murray can do. And I
think that's where the that's where tonight's verdict comes out, that
tomorrow we're gonna be talking about Kyler Murray a good
or bad when.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
It comes to the Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Okay. And my counterpoint would be, I think the same
thing of Sam Donald because outside of you, I don't
know anybody who's watched Sam Donald outside you red zone.
Couple here, couple there, and the assumption the last time
we saw Sam Donald was the playoffs and he struggled, right,
and it was the assumption was that the only reason
he was good in the Twin Cities was because of
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the surrounding cast and the coach, not because of Sam Donald. Right.
So now again we it's our first chance on a national,
national level to see Sam Donald, you know, play on TV.
We will make the fair or unfair assessment of who
he is based upon how he played.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
He's been fine this year, but this is also a
home game, so I think there's more on your quarterback,
Like if you don't win this game, if if the
Seahawks go on the road and lose.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
They lost. I mean, this is a jammed up division.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
Everybody's two and one except the Niners who are three
and oh so yeah. I think there's more of the
jury out on Kyler Murray tonight than Donald. It's not
to absolve Donald of any responsibility, but I just think
that Murray's more of the conversation.
Speaker 6 (16:31):
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Speaker 1 (16:38):
Hey, what up with you? Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio?
Do Do Do Do? Today is a Thursday. I don't
know what it's like in southern California. I'm guessing it's beautiful,
but I can tell you it's cloudy. I can tell
you this. The weather in Green Bay, Wisconsin is nicer
(17:00):
here then as nice here as it is anywhere in
the country. At eighty degrees no humanity, absolutely spectacular, breezy.
Last night, there's no fog, no smog. Mama cooked the
breakfast with no howg It's a great, great day. Hope
you're having one as well.
Speaker 7 (17:15):
Well.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Gets ready for Thursday football this hour. Chris Filik is
gonna join us from the bear Bets. Get you some
picks for the upcoming college football weekend. I wear a
lot of hats in my life. Right. I'm a head
coach of the Phoenix, I'm a radio host, I'm a dad.
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These are all things that take up parts of my day,
of my time. I don't know if you guys knew,
but I'm also I'm also a judge. Right, I'm also
a judge. And part of being a judge is you
got to hear both sides and then you gotta rule.
So what we thought we would do, Okay, what we
thought we would do? In reference to cal Raley hitting
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his novel one, not two, not three, but his sixtieth
home run last night, I would be the judge as
to who should be the AL MVP. Now here's the
first thing, okay, And before we get into these arguments,
we have to stop with the ah. He's number two
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now on the most home runs in AL history. Does
anyone reference an sat or an at act score from
somebody who cheated on the exam, any sort of cheating
on the exam? No, And since it's already been we've
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already been told. And look, even if you want to
buy the ridiculous story that I had no idea, I
didn't knowingly use steroids. The fact is that Barry Bonds,
Semi Sosa, Mark McGuire admitted to knowingly using it. You
used steroids. In other words, there was some form of cheating, right,
(19:05):
some form of cheating in order for them to attain
those ridiculous numbers. Let's just stop b yessing about it.
Everybody knows it was tainted, So pretend like it just
didn't happen, just like we all do that with you know,
somebody has cheats on a test, it gets thrown out,
or they get an f they get kicked out, they
get exposed, or maybe you have to retake it, whatever,
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But we don't pretend like the test score is a
valid one if it was achieved through nefarious ways, through
nefarious ways. So I'll play the judge. All right, Ah,
(19:52):
this is a National Court of Public Radio. Your judge
Doug Gottlieb presiding. The question is on the doc of today,
Who is the rightful al MVP? Okay? Is it Aaron Judge?
(20:13):
No relation? Or is it Cal Rawley. It is funny
quick aside when I hear somebody's name cal Chase Stu.
We grew up in southern California. Doesn't it make you
think of cal Worthington and Worthington Ford right where he
would have like the tiger on the commercial. God, that
was just such old school nineties stuff. It was so
(20:33):
awesome back in the day. Go see cow, Go see cow. Anyway,
let's get after it now. Is it just gonna be
Cavino and passing or are you guys gonna take gonna
take a side as well.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
I'll take it from here.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
I'll take it from here.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Thank you, judge, I'll take it from here.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
You need to properly address me as such.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
So Doug told me prior to the show they wanted
to do this, this one idea. I had not executed it,
so I'm going based on how he told me about it,
but I thought it would be best. He's like, I
want you to persent both sides. You make compelling arguments
for both sides, and I'll be the judge to choose
which one I I most agree with or which who's
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going to be the m v P. But I thought
I really only have a compelling argument about one thing,
because unlike you, who loves to straddle defense, I actually
pick aside and I go like vigorously at that side.
That's that's my that's my that's my break pause. So
I'm going to allow Fox Sport Radio superstar Steve Covino,
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who hosts the show right after us with Rich Davis
Coveno and Rich. I'm gonna have Steve Covino, who is
a Yankee Diehard make his case, and then I want
to also add Jeff Passen, MLB insider's case for Aaron Judge.
I want you to listen each of these and.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Then their character, their character witness is so what you're
saying correct.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
So this is Steve Covino of Covino and Rich.
Speaker 7 (22:09):
The dude is incredible, and he leads in every single
category that is a major category. And I'll tell you
except for home runs a RBI, he leads an average
on base percentage, slugging, ops, run scored, war walks, total bases,
extra hits. Raleigh leads in home run and RBI barely,
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and he's.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Played more.
Speaker 7 (22:34):
Almost twenty more. Would have something close if he didn't
miss a game, Judge was hurt. What he's doing is remarkable,
and just because he's been there, done that, you're like, yeah, whatever, dude, whatever.
The Yankees would not be there without Judge and the Mariners. Yeah,
he's doing great for a catcher, but you don'tjudge MVP
based on great for a catcher. Judge leads in every
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major category except for two and Raleigh bare Me.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
I see, so this is.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
This is Jeff Passon's reason why he would likely vote
for Aaron Judge.
Speaker 8 (23:09):
I would go Aaron Judge, and I would feel terrible
about it. And yet one and seventy five points in
OPS is an enormous gap. I was ever someone who
when I voted, got like fatigue on a guy. It's
more I marvel at him even more that he's been
able to do it year over year. And Aaron Judge,
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at his size, with all of the pieces and parts
that he asked to move, turning into the best hitter,
the best home round hitter, the best hitter in Major
League Baseball was not something I had on my Bingo card.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
I'm going to use Bingo.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
He used the Bingo card, He used the Bengo car.
Isn't that an automatic eliminator? I don't you have to?
You have to what's it called when you're the lawyer
and you you dispute something on the judge. Yes, go ahead, object.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Do you have that last part of raised from the record.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
We can have it stricken from the record.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Ultimate ultimate sign of ad is using the phrase I
didn't have that on my bingo card. But knowing Jeff, I.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Was today years old. Also I was today years old.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
That no, no, no bingo cards worse. I will say
this knowing Jeff a little bit, knowing passing a little bit.
He's he's the guy who uses bingo card. That's all
I'm gonna say so, Jeff. Jeff addressed the two major
things going in Aaron judges favor the discrepancy in the OPS.
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That's a big, big stat with the nerds. And he
fights against voter fatigue. He doesn't want, you know, he
doesn't want the Charles Barkley or the Karl Malone. He
wants you to vote from Michael Jordan every year because
he's the greatest UH player in the league and the
most valuable. I will make a case for cal Rawley
right now, Judge, if you may.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Yes, uh, well, here a statements opening statement from the
lawyer representing the site for cal Raley, Chaston Stewart.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Go ahead, please, we have never seen a season like
this from a player that plays catcher predominantly. I think
he's spent like twenty games as a DH, but he
has hit like over fifty fifty plus home runs as
a catcher, which is just remarkable when you think about
the taxing, the taxing of what it's like to be
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a catcher. Why we always see catcher's numbers decline in
the second half of the season, Why we always see
catcher's careers and late they're doing upwards of one hundred
and fifty squats per game. They need to also the
mental fatigue of knowing the strengths and weaknesses of every
hitter on the other team and the strengths and weaknesses
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of the pitchers on the other team. When you hit,
there is a mental fatigue combined with a physical fatigue,
which is why you never get these numbers from a catcher.
Sixty home runs is the third most home runs ever
hit by anybody in the history of baseball. And again
to judges, to Doug's first point, i completely dismiss McGuire, Sosa,
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and Bonds. I'm not putting them in this category. Cal
Rawley deserves the award because of the position he plays,
and it very much needs to be considered in this argument.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
It's a very compelling case, very very compelling case. I
was I'm intrigued by the fact that the lawyer representing
the cal Raley side did not list park rankings as
part of it.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Right.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
In terms of hitters ballparks, the Mariners Park is t
mobile Park is the considered, if not the worst, one
of the worst in Major League Baseball. I'm actually looking
at baseballsavant MLB dot com. It's listed as the twenty
seventh best park in baseball. Twenty seventh. That is that is,
(27:05):
excuse me, twenty eighth. I don't know why there's not
every team listed, but there's twenty eight on this and
they are park factor. It is the hardest park to
hit in in Major League Baseball, fewer hits, fewer home runs,
basically a dead baseball as opposed to the New Yankee Stadium,
which is a home run hitters park. Uh it's actually uh,
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the has the third most homer's hit in it, the
Reds Great American Ballpark and Dodger Stadium. At part of
the Dodgers Stadium is that they have, you know, the
best player in baseball. But Mariners Park is a dead
ball park. That hasn't been presented as part of the info.
I just I find it find it to be interesting.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
I want to I wanted to make sure that my
point that he is a catcher needs to be the focus.
That's the most powerful point of this. So yeah, I
could have I could have kind of deluded it with
numbers that you just pointed out, judge, but I wanted
to make a powerful case to the jury that you
should only focus on one thing. He puts a catcher's
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mask on, and he has the physical and the mental
fatigue of playing catcher for one hundred and sixty games.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Okay, just I'm checking through my notes here as a judge,
I do believe you said he was DH for twenty games,
so the numbers a little bit lower, correct, I just
wanted then one hundred sixty games They doesn't play, He
doesn't play catch one hundred and sixty games. I want
just but did you know that cal Ray is also
considered one of the best defensive catchers in baseball? Did
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you guys know that.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
By what? Metruck I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
This is just baseball dot Com I was looking at earlier.
I think that's actually considering his offense too.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
I haven't. I've never heard that about his defense.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
I heard that either, but I hear that either when
I when I I googled before the show, that's what
I came up.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
I've never seen on TV or in my uh, in
my suspense novels, I've never seen the judge argue with
the prosecutor over points that they didn't make.
Speaker 6 (29:18):
I just this is this is uh.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
You approached the bench and I discussed it, Bayer.
Speaker 7 (29:24):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
You are the bailiff or do you want to do
you want to present any side of this argument?
Speaker 5 (29:31):
I think on the bailiff is a is a good role.
I have an opinion, but you guys had good arguments.
I'll just sit there and listen.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Nobody will nobody, nobody just it's just.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
Me and you Buyer. What do you think I think
it should be? Cal Raley?
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Is that the heartstrings thing? Is that your mariners.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Absolutely the heart like, no that I don't care about
the mariners.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
But no, yeah, I actually think that's the bigger point.
Nobody cares about the mariners.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Judge, as a random observer in the gallery, I'd like
to just point out your excellent point about the difficulty
of homering out of Seattle's ballpark and all the other
things you presented, but the difficulty of homering in Seattle
is a point that must not be lost on this court.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Thank you, sir.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
We'll take this into my chambers. Okay, I've decided to
make a ruling in the case of Aaron Judge versus
cal Raleigh for the AL MVP in the Court of
Sports National Sports Radio Doug Gottlieb opinion. I rule in
the favor of Calvin Raleigh. I award him with the
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American League MVP, and the court offers no with with
no prejudice. This is my final ruling. There will be
no appeal, and I want to hear nothing from Cavino
and Rich until it's their turn to have a Nasha
Radio shows. Yeah, I get I'm with you, Jase Stuart.
(31:11):
It's one of those I you know, there'll be people
who say, well, like, okay, so then should you take
into account that Lebron James is forty years old for
the MVP. No, this is a positional thing and we
have not seen and you talked about it at mid season, right,
we'll get to the All Star break. You're like, what
do you guys think is gonna happen the second half
the season. We all thought there would be a decline,
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didn't know how much, and there hasn't. And then you
factor in he's in Seattle, and then you factor in
there they're in a pennant chase or a playoff, wild
card chase, whatever. So it's not like he's playing meaningful
games where guys are just serving up taters. So he
can hit sixty and I think it's phenomenal. And yes,
Aaron Judge does have overall a better hitting resume, but
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he stands out there in the outfield, and every thought
through his mind is, h this is boring out here
in the outfield, And what do I do the next
time I'm at batner?
Speaker 9 (32:05):
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App Stuck Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio. So I think
I know why people don't like Russell Wilson. And when
I say people, I mean a lot of people, especially
in sports. And I think there was a time in
which most fans, okay most people who aren't in the
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know gravitated towards Russell because he was drafted what in
the third round. The perception, whether it's real or not,
is that he was run out of n C State
and he went to Wisconsin won a Rose Bowl.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
He was a a.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
They didn't win the.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Rose Ball, No, they lost the Oregon I believe it
was the Rose bull with that team.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
I know it was.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
They had an incredible running game and Russe was incredible,
but they lost to I think a Chip Kelly Oregon
team right in a really good game.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Yeah, my bad, go ahead, Dan.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
They lost three straight Rose Bulls.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
I had that, but that was the one Rose Bull
like that was that backfield was.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Ridiculous Monte ball and didn't they have James White at
the same time. And then I remember they put like
eighty three points up on Indiana Uh and just kept
just plow plowed, plowed fields for days.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Couldn't beat Organ. My bad anyway, if you look on
paper and you and you took snapshots of who he
was and things he said at times like Russell Wilson
should be among the most popular NFL players ever, right
too small. Uh went to Wisconsin after leaving NC State
(34:03):
because he wanted to play baseball right, and then he
goes to Wisconsin. They go to a Rose Bowl. Okay,
they didn't win the Rose Bowl, but comes into the NFL,
you know, and beats out Matt Flynn, takes the job
two super bowls, wins the Super Bowl, even with the
interception in the loss to the Patriots. People don't put
(34:23):
the blame on Russell Wilson to this day. It's all
about offensive coordinator, Repeat Carroll, and the narrative was, now, look,
some of the players of the Seahawks will be like, well,
you did that to help Russell Wilson, but no one is.
I've yet to hear anyone else that matters to me, right,
And opinions go, you know, blew that Super Bowl, Russell
(34:44):
Wilson because that throw is low where you know, Malcolm
Butler can't pick it off. But regardless of it, okay,
he is not. And I think a lot of it
is how it's ended these last four the end of
the end of the Seahawks run. The two years in
Denver didn't work, the year in Pittsburgh didn't work, and
(35:06):
now it's not working with the New York Giants. I think, again,
I could be wrong, it's that he is yet to
show us that, like you're a human being, a human being,
because when you're programmed, you go Broncos Country, Let's ride
or I'm unlimited. It just found it sounds feels cheesy,
(35:30):
feels inorganic. And again, like we don't always see through
artificial things. Matter of fact, some things which appear to
be too good to be true and really are, people
will have conspiracy theories about why they actually exist. But
I want you to listen to Russell Wilson. Remember he
essentially got demoted and he'll probably never be a team's
(35:51):
number one again. He may start because maybe Jackson darts, thinks,
or gets hurt or whatever. He may go somewhere else
next to year and is a placeholder until a draft
picked plays. But the likelhood of him being QB one
for entire season is over. So when asked about it,
there's a way I would react. You would react if
(36:12):
we're being honest. Here's Russell Wilson's reaction.
Speaker 10 (36:14):
Now, I'm focused on helping this team win. You know
I'm focused on helping Jackson. I'm focused on me getting
ready to be the best version of me today on Wednesday,
and so you know I want to be here. You know,
I love this organization, I love the process of it all.
Just love the guys in the locker room. I'm not
giving up on this, on us in this season.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
It's great that you're not giving up. Okay, it's great
that you want to support Jackson, but I love everybody.
When you've played three games, two games ago, you had
an unbelievable football game. What he threw four hundred and
fifty yards right? Whatever he did at the end. Again,
like he had an unbelievable game. They pull him a
(36:52):
week later. A real human being says, I'm devastated. I just,
I just I don't know what happened. I understand, but
I'm personally devastated. Like I'm mentally and emotionally all in,
still all in, but this one hurts. He just can't
(37:12):
do it. He just can't do it. He's so busy
being at Tony Robbins, you know, mental health help book.
He just can't let us in and be vulnerable. That's
the Dog Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. You
want to talk college football, then you got to go
get to Josh Pate, coach the Josh pat College Football Show.
(37:33):
You see him on ESPN and on three Sports and
Yahoo's Sports, and he lives in your head, Rent Free,
Let's just be honest with it. Big SEC weekend. Well
we'll get to in a second. But James Franklin, you know,
going back to his time in the SEC, granted it
was a Vanderbilt, but started to build up the reputation
of he can beat anybody but ranked teams. Now you're
(37:53):
at Penn State, very different calculus. Still struggle to beat
ranked teams. Oregon comes in, they've looked like world beaters.
They didn't play great, but beat north beat THEWLLA in
Northwestern essentially got my Gundy fired as well. Penn State
has Drew Aller, who you know, without doing much is
is jumping up draft bards.
Speaker 9 (38:14):
What do you think, Josh, that's a great way to
describe Drew Aller so far this year, buddy, He hadn't
done anything. They haven't done anything. No one in this
matchup has played anyone. So you know that thing that
happened sometimes It happened in the Illinois Indiana game last
week where you have a point spread underdog, and yet
the entire country is betting the underdog to win. Outright,
(38:37):
that did not fare well for people back in Illinois.
Last week, everyone's on Oregon. Man. I did a poll
on Twitter the other day. I had like fifteen thousand votes,
So that's really scientific. Like seventy five percent of people
took Oregon to win outright, there were three and a
half point dogs. So my thinking on this is, what's
the reason. Let's not just talk about what Penn State
and James Franklin haven't done. That's very obvious. Four against
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ranked teams or top ten teams or whatever, like, why
haven't they been able to win? Well, the answer is
they've never been dynamic at receiver. They have not been
able to push the ball down the field. All right.
So then we arrive in spring, they go to the portal,
they get some difference makers there. I go there and
watch them in fall camp when they're going good on good,
they look great. They're winning fifty to fifty balls, they're
(39:21):
pushing the ball down the field. Then we arrived. For
three weeks of the season, they play inferior opponents. They've
done nothing. They're passing games, anemic accuracies off for alur
But we got one of two things in play here,
and I'm going to take Penn State because I think
it's the latter. But it's either that just really is
who they are, or they've bobbled some stuff up and
they're going to give a lot of looks to Oregon
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that we haven't really seen so far this year. I
just dug its classic situation of one team wants to
win it. It'd be really great for Orgon to win this.
Everything about Penn State's identity this year is riding on
winning this game. They could go to Columbus and lose,
that's okay. They cannot sit here at home, rev roster
by week to prep for it. Oregon, young team, flying
(40:04):
cross country, new quarterback and still lose. That cannot happen.
So somehow, some way, I think dust settles Saturday night
and they sort of do the whole bear crawl over
broken glass to a win thing.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Hmm, that should be fascinating. Okay, let's do Bama Georgia
same thing. George doesn't lose at home? Everybody think you know,
people were selling every bit of Bama stock after losing
to Florida State. What if Florida State's actually good and
what if Bama's starting to figure it out? Can Bama
go down to Athens and get a win.
Speaker 9 (40:34):
Yeah, well, I mean, so let's just go to what
what if all of what you said there is true?
What if Florida State is really good? What if Bama
has gotten their act together. They just had a little
wobbly tire on the car early in the season, they
pulled over, they tightened the lug nuts, They're good. All
that can be true, and then still lose here. Georgie
is very good. Do you realize they have not lost
their home game since before COVID It was Will muss
(40:55):
Champ in South Carolina in a three and nine season,
no less, by the way, for sept Landa that beat
them at home last So my stance on this is
kind of like when I talk to you about the
Georgia Tennessee game. I could paint you a pass for
Tennessee to win that game, just like I could paint
you a really clear path for not only Bama to
win here, but dominate. There is a world if ty
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Simpson has given time to throw, if that O line
stands up against frankly a Georgia front that hasn't produced
a lot of pressure so far this year, they will
rip Georgia secondary George is very vulnerable. This is not
a ventage. Georgia's secondary. Bama has got thorough breads in
that wide receiver room. So if that's the case, it's
a Bama knight and they'll quiet that crowd. I am
(41:37):
going to have to see that to believe it. They
are penalty ridden on the road. They are a different
team on the road under the bors so far aside
from the LSU game last year. So if I'm going
to be proven wrong, sir, I'm going to be proven
wrong by Georgia doing something at home they hadn't done
since twenty eighteen. I'm going to be proven wrong by
Bama doing something it's uncharacteristic to their road nature. And
if it happens, it happens. I just got to see
(41:58):
it to believe it.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
I happen to be on TikTok saw your real right,
and and you talked about Auburn's lack of exposive plays
and how everything's dinking dunk around the line of scrimmage
and Jack Narold's more of a runner than a thrower.
That said, you know a trick play, which is an
illegal play, and then a couple of other questionable calls
(42:21):
going against them. They lose a heartbreaker to Oaklhoman. Now
they get to go to A and M. And A
and M's on the opposite side, you know, with a
call that goes their way in order to beat Notre Dame.
We do have a history there though, of A and
M losing big home games. Is this one of them? Yeah?
Speaker 9 (42:41):
So I got a head heart conflict here. My head
is just telling me, don't overthink the room man like Auburn,
just because they lost the game doesn't mean they automatically
bounced back. This is a very cool sport. And A
and M is arrested. This is a double road stretch
for Auburn. That's why I that Oklahoma game was so critical. Well,
if you lose it, you got to go right back
(43:02):
on the road against the rested team in a very
tough environment. All right, that's what my head says. My
heart says. My heart's where all of the logic is,
and my body it's inverted. My heart says. You know,
your entire life, you've watched teams lose, especially ones who
can run the ball like Auburn. Can they lose and
then they're in wounded animal mode. Total desperation mode, and
(43:25):
you find yourself watching them defying conventional wisdom, and they
just win a tough game the next week. And it's
tough to kill these teams. It's trying to like nail
a jello to the wall sometimes to really get them.
Here's what I wonder, I really wonder if that explosivity
we saw out of that A and M passing game
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is just here to stay because it was against Notre Dame.
Is it just here to stay? If it is, and
you're making Auburn trade points with you to keep up
Jackson Arnold's not going to do that, and they'll end
up turning the ball over and it will be A
and M's day. I think if Auburn wins this game,
that box scores really crooked. It's like seventeen passes fifty
two runs. It's way way warped. That is Auburn's game.
(44:09):
That's their path here. It's the game I'm most conflicted on.
I picked A and M. I'm very very conflicted on it.
There is absolutely nothing in that game that would shock
me either way.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Okay, sc Illinois, Illinois gets stomped last week at Indiana,
I don't help me explain explain this one to me?
Speaker 4 (44:31):
Right?
Speaker 1 (44:32):
They beat Duke Western Illinois Western Michigan that he beat
sixty three to ten, granted on the road. I don't
really know why Illinois is still ranked other than we
just couldn't like I guess you couldn't find twenty five
teams to rank it was. That bigger question is sc
fresh off of road win against Purdue. They're a six
and a half point favorite, so not a touchdown favorite,
but almost at Illinois.
Speaker 9 (44:53):
Who do you like? That one doesn't look like it
makes a whole lot of sense, does it, Especially if
you stayed up late and you watched Southern out a
car of Michigan State up last week, and then most
people had already seen what Indiana did. Man, they splattered Illinois.
I'm going to this game, By the way, I've never
been to an Illinois game. I have got to do
what I did with A and m Auburn. I got
to see it to believe it. It may be the
(45:13):
most square side in the world. I don't know how
you don't lay the points with USC here. I also
think I think I talked to you about this a
couple of weeks ago too. If you start to watch
usc Nohen Lincoln had Caleb Williams a couple of years ago.
You're thinking, Man, Caleb Williams, supreme talent, top overall draft pick,
blah blah blah. I am telling you I feel even
stronger about it. Two weeks later. I think he's got
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a better quarterback for a system right now, Jadon Mayava,
I don't want to compare talent profiles.
Speaker 4 (45:42):
I just want to talk.
Speaker 9 (45:43):
About the job of a quarterback within a system. Jad
and Mayava a stud man, and you look at the
smiles on that coaching staff's faces. That dude's playing within
that system better than Caleb Williams ever played within Lincoln
Riley system. And you can coach that. I mean, just
talking from a coach's perspective. If you got a guy
who's got adequate to really high level skill, which may
(46:05):
Aava does, and he's doing what you ask him to do,
but he's also got that improvisation, he's got that X factor,
that intangible stuff you can't coach, ability to make you
look like a genius three or four times a game,
and he's ascending like he's just now really figuring it out.
They're a very dangerous team. They've got stud wide receivers.
They lost Branch that is George's number one receiver right now,
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and they've still got two studs out there. So I
know it's it's desperation time for Illinois. I know all that.
I'm going to the game for that reason, but man,
it's going to take a fight to stay in that
game with USC. You're going to the game, I'm going
up there, and then I'm going down to Athens later
that night. How can you just go to one game
on a Saturday like this?
Speaker 1 (46:47):
I mean, that sounds like a PJ deal. If you
need somebody to hopp in in the PJ and fill
it up, you let me know. LSU ole Miss this
is This would be a pretty good pregame battle right
pregame at the Grover pregame at LSU under Lights after
dud game in Oxford, ReBs a point a half favorite.
Speaker 9 (47:08):
Yeah, that one cross zero earlier this week. Honestly, I
think ole Miss is going to take this game. I'm
concerned about LSU. They're undefeated, and a lot of times
when teams are undefeated, people are just blatantly ignoring warning signs.
They have warning signs all over the place right now.
But they're a really good defense, so it's masked them.
But once again, they're not running the ball like they should.
(47:30):
Once again, they're in the what I think upper thirties
to upper twenties, low thirties passing and in the hundreds rushing.
And it's just inexplicable that you could never be able
to run the ball at LSU, but they can't. I
don't like the offensive staff versus defensive staff matchup here
for LSU at all. Now. One of the best matchups
all weekend will be Kissing versus Blake Baker. That's phenomenal,
(47:52):
that's pay per view quality stuff. But I'm telling you
they have not faced a team. LSU has not faced
a team yet that force them to trade points. Clemson
didn't credit to LSU. Florida didn't. They turn them over
five times. Credit to LSUS. This team right here, you're
not holding under twenty I don't think. And so this
is where nuth Meyer has to make some plays. He's
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had an abdominal issue all year. It has not cost
them yet, but I don't know if they're put in
a position where they need thirty or they need thirty
four to win this game if it's there without taking
the kind of risk that forces turnovers. So I think
Ole miss wins this game, and afterwards we're asking a
lot of questions about LSU we already should have been asking.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
Josh is the best man. By the way, you can
go check out Josh Pate Okay, the Josh Pate College
Football Show. You see him on ESPN, on three Sports,
and Yahoo's Sports. Check them out on YouTube. You can
get Josh Pate everywhere, but you can only get him
answering my questions on my show.
Speaker 4 (48:52):
That's my sale. That's my sale.
Speaker 1 (48:54):
Save travels in that private jet. I'm a little sad
I didn't get the invite, but somehow I'll get over it.
Speaker 9 (49:00):
Thanks Josh, I appreciate it, brother,
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