Best of the Doug Gottlieb Show: 08/08/2018

Doug gives his thoughts on the changes in College Basketball and who might be able to take advantage of the new rules. He also thinks Hue Jackson is doing the right thing by putting his foot down on the 1st episode of Hard Knocks. Oklahoma State Head Coach Mike Gundy joins the show to talk about the upcoming season and how they will rebuilding after losing players to the draft. 

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(00:22):
of the Doug Gottli Show on Fox Sports Radio. What
Up Stuck Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Come into you
from beautiful sunny southern California. Man, what a great day,
What a great day, What a great show for you.

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We have an unbelievable, unbelievable show for you. Jason lock
Camphora from CBS Sports is gonna join us in fifteen minutes.
Mike Gundey, head coach of Oklahoma State, will join us.
Next hour, Matt Olson of The Cardiac Kid, the Oakland
A's of Major League Baseball will join us. And uh

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Michael Bennet's gonna join us, author Super Bowl champion and
I believe currently out of work football player. Uh so, look,
we we gotta we just got a metric ton to
get to I'm gonna talk about Aaron Rodgers comments, not
just about his team, but about the franchise tag. Yesterday,
we got I believe a game of real news and

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fake news which will be played. Oh man, I'm looking
at the list of stuff we have and this is
this is this is incredible metric ton metric ton of
of things. All right, let's uh, let's get after it.
The n c A has come down and they have
decided to make changes to college basketball, drastic changes. Um.

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First thing is you can actually visit fifteen times on
official visits. Fifteen that's up from five starting your junior season.
Of course, you've got to be academically eligible. Agents can
represent high school students, pending a decision by the NBA
and the NBA p A. High school players can be
represented by an agent beginning July one before their senior year,

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provided they have been identified as an elite senior prospect
by USA Basketball. Agents can represent college students. College basketball
players can re represented by an agent beginning after any
college basketball season if they request an evaluation from the
NBA Undergraduate Advisory Committee. That rule is effective immediately. Agents

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can pay for expenses. Huh. Agents can pay for meals
transportation for players and their families if the expenses are
related to the agent selection process. Also, the students cannot
miss class and the money must be spent where the
student lives or attends school. Additionally, high school and college
student athletes and their families can have meal, transportation lodging

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paid for them by an agent if those expenses are
associated with the meeting with an agent or with a
pro team. These these changes are subject to revisions under
the Uniform Athlete Agents Act Revised Uniform Athletes Agent Act,
relevant state laws YadA, YadA, YadA. All agreements between agents

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and high school or college players must be in writing,
terminated when the student enrolls, uh in or returns to college,
and disclosed to the n c A or to schools.
This change effective immediately. Agents must be certified. College basketball
athletes who are interested in going pro have been able

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to declare for the draft and attend the NBA Combine,
but have been required to withdraw no more than ten
days after the Combine stay eligible. Now, students who wish
to enter the draft also must request an evaluation from
the NBA Undergraduate Advisory Committee, which will provide them valuable
information to assist them on whether that they returned or
go p oh again starts immediately. Also, college basketball players

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who request an Undergraduate Advisory Committee evaluation, participate in the
NBA Combine, and aren't drafted can return to school as
long as they notify their athletic director of their intent
by five pm the Monday after the draft. Of course,
this has to be an NBA and n B a
p A expected to make a rule change which in
which the NBA would make undrafted student athletes who returned

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to college after their draft ineligible for the NBA until
after the next season. It's the Vashon Leonard rule. Also,
Division one student Division one schools will be required to
pay tuition fees books for basketball players who leave school
return to school later to the same school to earn
their degree. Former student athletes will be eligible for financial

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assistance to compete complete their first degree if they were
on scholarship and fewer than ten years have passed before
they left school. Additionally, students must have been in school
for two years before leaving. Former student athletes also must
meet all schools admissions and financial aid requirements and must
exhausted all of their funding options to be eligible as well.

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As meet all n c A academic requirements that one
starts next August, and the n c A will fund
degree completion. That's what they've decided to do. That's it,
and that's all. And you know what my first thing is,
that's good. It's good because I am somebody who is

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a proponent of more players getting an opportunity to play
in college and the idea of let's not shoot guys
out the door because they think they want to go pro.
I like the idea in theory of being able to
return to your school. In practice, it's a little bit
harder because hacked, the NBA draft is not until June.

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Do we hold a scholarship for you. This is gonna
push back whether or not star high school seniors decide
to sign to sign with the school. Also, it should
be pointed out it is curious that agents will represent
high school players. Feels like it feels like the n

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c A knows something that we all suspect, which is
that the NBA is gonna change their drafting rules in
which you'll be able to be drafted straight at a
high school. That's what it feels like in reading this,
which I believe is a mistake, and so does college basketball,
and honestly so do most NBA teams. That's the truth

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to it, that's the absolute truth to it. The younger
the player, the more likely that they're going to not
be ready to compete in the NBA. Go back and
look at all these guys that came straight into high
school and in the first year most of them where
we're non competitive. Lebron James is the exception to every

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other rule, every other rule. But I think that dope
one thing that is is lost here. Instead of discussing
whether or not the n c A did anything that
did enough, they did something. They identified the problem. They're
trying to get, basically the black market out of the sport.

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That's what they're trying to do, trying to get the
black market out of the sport. And to someone who says, well,
it won't completely eliminate the black market, you're probably accurate.
I mean, think of why we legalized marijuana in this country.
I love it now. Look, there's different types of legalized marijuana,

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but in the state I live in, you can go
and buy down the street. You see a green cross
sign that means they sell weed here, weed products here,
and some of it is we've changed in our view
of the drug. Some of it is A good portion
of it is, hey, we can make a bunch of
money as a state through the through the massive taxation

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of the of the drug. And a good portion of
it is, hey, you know what, this eliminates the black
market for it. That's what does. It eliminates the black market.
It's more expensive to buy it there, but you know
exactly what you're getting. It's gone through a testing process.

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Matter of fact, and I'm telling you after the fact
that the nords from sale was last ended last weekend.
The weed sailing California was like two weekends ago. They
had to get rid of the old stuff because the
new stuff that was certified was coming in and so
they had deals all over the state. This is a
true story. That's not any different from what the n
c A is doing. The only difference is they're not

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profiting off this. There's no taxation of it. So is
it does it correct all of the all of the
errors of the past. No? Does it create some new problems?
Of course, there's a law of unintended consequences. There's do
you really need fifteen official visits? And my God, make
a decision already fifteen visits does it fix that? What

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if you're not an elite prospect, but like Zaire Smith
of Texas Tech, who was a first round pick of
the Philadelphia seventies six ers, what if you come from
nowhere to somewhere and now you don't have representation, like
there are issues there. But please stop saying they didn't
do anything. They did something, whether they fix the problem

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or not. Here's the irony to it. Many of the people,
many of the people who are saying the n C
A screwed it up. Ah, they didn't do anything. Those
are some of the same people that said the n
C needs to stay out of it, not do anything right.

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They're trying to streamline the process. They're trying to make it.
Their trying to create more access to college for more players. Hey, dude,
you don't get drafted, you can come back. We don't care. Hey,
we don't need clandestine meetings with agents. Matter of fact,
agents can pick up the tab, fine, no problem. We're
not gonna track you down or trace you down. And

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they all have to be reputable agents. They all have
to be certified, much like your weed. Does that perfect
the system? No, but you know you're meeting with somebody legit.
If you meet with the agent, you know what the
rules are. You know that if all things go bad
and you don't get draft, you come back to school,

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and if you stay in school for two years, by rule,
they have to have to put you back on scholarship
within the next two ten years anytime you come back.
Where is the downside to that? We get so fixated
on negativity instead of, hey, you know what, a couple
of these things are kind of cool. Now here's the

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Here's the most important part college basketball schools. That college
basketball programs that understand the changing marketplace and are able
to benefit from that changing marketplace will be the most
successful because of it. Right, managing your scholarship limitations so

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that you know, you always have a couple of scholarships
so if guys declare for the pros and have to
come back, you can still have them. That's valuable. I mean,
the truth is that if you look around sport, teams
that have taken advantage of rule changes are the ones
that have been most successful. I mean, the fact is
that Villanova has won two national titles in the last

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three years, and all of this comes after the freedom
of movement was put back into college basketball. You can't
grab a guy, you can't hold a guy. Ever watched
Villanova play basketball? Crazy physical, you know, they're not physical
with their hands. They adjusted to the rules more quickly
than anybody else. They're still physical. Everything they do is

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from the waist down. Additionally, Jay Wright, and some of
this is uh, some of this is because of where
his program has been. They weren't recruiting the one and
done type, the top ten, top fifteen high school american.
They just weren't. Jalen Brunson was incredibly highly touted and
well regarded, but no one thought he would come in

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and be a one and done. Dante di Vincenzo, Come on.
He red shirted his first year there because he broke
his foot. Amari Spellman ends up getting drafted after just
one year, but he had to red shirt because he
wasn't academically eligible, and during that time off he lost
a bunch of weight, and playing well in the you
know in the Final four truly helped him. Just because

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they had four guys draft in the first round of
the NBA Draft, they actually recruited guys that were just
that one notch below. Why Because, whether out of luck
or out of knowledge, they understood it's really hard to
have one. And Kentucky has killed it in in recruiting
over the last five years, I have won a national title.

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Why because hard to win with kids versus men. Adjusting
to the rules first. Adjusting to the rules first will
propel you in business more quickly than just having really
good players and really good coaches. Think about what the

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Dodgers did right. The Dodgers have understood that the more players,
young players, you have under club control, the more successful
you're going to be. Load up your farm system. Load
up with the arms now they had. They took on
a bunch of bad salaries, initially in the Adrian Gonzalez trade,

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but meanwhile they were also loading up their farm system.
The Yankees did the exact same thing. Meanwhile, they kept
their international money open so that they could go and
get ya c l quick. Look what the Yankees just
did because the best way, I mean, the Angels lucked
out and to get in show. Hey Otani, But the
idea is the only proven guys that you're gonna get

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that are really gonna help your franchise because free agents
are too too expensive, and once you get into your
mid thirties now in baseball, with steroids and H G
H out of the game, you're not gonna have the
same success as in the in the early two thousand's,
young players win, depth of arms win, and if you're
gonna go and get somebody who's a little bit more developed,

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you're better off spending your money on a Cuban player
or on a Japanese player. Then you are loading up
and overpaying for a free agent. Somebody who understands the
changing marketplace is usually more successful. Be sure to catch
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the I Heart Radio app. So let me get back
to what Aaron Rodgers said, Uh, we have a tough situation.
I think one thing you could definitely do is look
at the influence the way contracts are done, the hard
cap versus the non hardcap, like the NBA with his
A cap. Then there's a luxury tax. I would allow
teams to go over the cap, knowing if they do,

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since there's not a hard cap, they're going to be
faced with some sort of luxury tax issues. And they're
going to change change their strategy. It's not like we're
hurting just like the NBA. We're not hurting for revenue.
We're doing excellent in the NFL, and the NBA is
doing fantastic as well. I think this would be a disaster.
One of the things that allows the NFL to be

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successful is that there isn't player movement, is that there
isn't think about it for a second, remember a second, Ramos,
how deep do you think you're intricate knowledge of the
NFL is? I would say it's not very deep. It's
it's okay, it's okay, right, Like, you're not gonna sit

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here and say, like I know every position from every right.
Who's the quarterback for the Houston Texans Kaiser? Huh, Watson,
you're thinking to Sean though, got it? Got it? You
got the right, You got the right first name, second dame.
Who's the quarterback for Dallas Cowboys? That would be Dak Prescott.

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Who's a quarterback for your rams. Who's a quarterback for
the Oakland Raiders, Derek Carr? Yes. The point is that
we can go through and you're going to get like
if I say Bills, you're like, oh boy, I'm not
sure Tyrod is not there anymore. Maybe a J. McCarn,
maybe Josh Allen. I don't know who else. There's somebody

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else is still in. Oh, Nathan Peterman, the guy that
sucked that one day they started against the Chargers last year. Right,
it's a little bit harder that. The player movement thing
sounds like a good idea until you realize it would
be a disaster. What has brought down college sports, especially
college basketball, the transferring in guys going to the NBA.

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Why because you can't identify, You don't know who's what
and where anything. We make fun of guys to stay
at one school for four or five years. We don't
champion them. Though the NBA has had these super teams.
It's not good for business. Anybody who says it is
isn't looking at the raw data. The data would tell you.

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Even if the numbers are down for the NFL, they
quinn tuple the number of most NBA games national NBA games.
And we can sit there and and it's real to say, hey,
there's more games, more games ont that's fine, But go
ahead and pick out a Sunday NBA game number of
a huge matchup, go ahead, pick it out, Warriors versus

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Rockets on ABC. It's gonna get like a five or
a six on Sunday. In the NFL, a huge game
is gonna get a rating the twenties and maybe even thirties.
Why because we because we established who plays for who,

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and if you really want to be traded, you can
do the Kauhi Leonard. But Cam Newton is the quarterback
of the Carolina Panthers. Aaron Rodgers the quarterback for the
Green Bay Packers. Like these things work and we have
By the way, does it hurt player mobility a little bit?
Doesn't hurt their a bildy to make money? Hell no
it doesn't. It doesn't. Kirk Cousins was under franchise tag

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for the last two years with Washington Redskins. You know
which money he made guaranteed About fifty million guaranteed, and
then he signed a huge deal with the Minnesota Vikings
to get like eighty million more guaranteed. A complete misconception
and complete misrepresentation of the facts. Sure, NBA's business is

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good relative to the NBA, it's not as good as
the NFL. So I love Aaron Rodgers. He may well
come on this show. He makes some smart talking points,
but he's doing that thing that great politicians do where
he tells you one real side to which you're like,
you know what, Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, that's

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a good point. Why not luxury tax? Well, look, if
we're gonna really compare ratings, major League Baseball's local ratings
are better than NBA's ratings. The sports are different. But
the more you have a guy, the longer you have
a player stay with one franchise. I know. Yeah, by

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the way, like Kevin Durant, Kevin Durant left, he was
in one franchise for nine years. It's just a difference
in the length of careers. A lot of differences. But
the more you have consistency with your star players being
aligned with a franchise, the more likely your league to
be successful. Because we identify players with teams, stars with

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their logo. That's good for business, and it sounds great
in front of a microphone to say, hey, let's do
their way with the franchise tech. That's fine. What are
you willing to give up? You're gonna give something up.
What do you want to give up? Be sure to
catch live editions of the Doug dot Leap Show weekdays
in noon eastern three pm Pacific. They've done some weird

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things and given players vet days. Even Miles Garrett got
a vet day the second day of camp. They've periodically
rested some of their players throughout camp in an effort
to make sure nobody comes up lame during camp. And
there was like a healthy back and forth to which
has everybody's ears perked up. Remember you have offensive cordiners.

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Todd Haley, he got run out of Pittsburgh. He's been
a head coach. Uh. He is a let's just say,
a vivid personality. Then you also have Greg Williams and
the defensive side of the ball, who claimed last night
that he had seven other offers that he turned to.
Seven other teams offered him. Pustmar the only ten defensivecording
your jobs. One team fired him last year, one team
hired him. It's nine so by his estimation, only one

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team didn't offer him a contract. He didn't all say defensivecording,
but only one team. Um. Greg Williams a fiery personess,
so he's got fiery personalities on both sides. You got
Hugh Jackson, who's I think incredibly likable. Take a listen
to this discussion between offensive coorting to Todd Haley and
head coach Hugh Jackson. We need to get so much done.

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Our team has to get mentally tougher and be able
to fight through that that we got to fight through.
We gotta change this drastically. And if we got guys
that haven't done sitting around doing nothing, you know, I
just don't know how we're gonna do it. Well. I
respect you saying that. I mean, I used to sit
in the same let me finish. I used to set

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in the same chair as you guys said it. The
chair I said that a little different to chair you
guys said. I get to watch from a different lens.
I'll taught me a long time ago. You know what,
what is it? I'll give it to me, your team
and do whatever the hell what's your team doing the
hell you want? Okay, So this one's mine. So that's
just the way it's gonna be. Um, I'm gonna tell
a story here right now, which uh uh. The program

(22:13):
director in our San Diego Phillis then got him Adam
Kluge Ryan Music. You've met him, Ramos, I don't know
if you met him we were long time. We worked
together for six or seven years before I came over
to Fox Sports Radio, and we've we both obviously, uh
had We had a great run together. We're great friends.
But every once in a while, every once in a while,

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we would have a bitter dispute over what we were
going to start and talk about during the show. Music
and I haven't had that. Music is a different sort
not a lot less confrontational personality. Um, but the the
every once in a while I would break out the hey, um,

(22:56):
I was wondering, what is the name of this show called?
And he would grumble underneath his presence and don't go
what what was? I couldn't remember. It's the It's the
Doug Godlip Show. You're right, it is. And look it
sounds like a dB move. Don't get me wrong. It's
not something I enjoy doing. It's not. But when it

(23:19):
is your name on the show, you can't talk about
something somebody else wants. You can't like you just can't
do it. Now. It was his job, at is Ryan
Music's job to energize me on a topic that I
might not be energized on, to push me to it.
But there are times in which like, look, I just
don't think that, or I just don't want to talk
about that. I'm just not comfortable there. And every once

(23:39):
in a while you gotta push back and go no,
which is what Hugh Jackson's doing. If you read Twitter,
there's a lot of dudes on Twitter that have never
been inside a locker room. They're sitting there going like,
I can't believe, or they've never been inside a coach's office.
I thought what I saw was incredibly healthy. You've got

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coaches like, look, we don't we don't have two days
like we used to have in football. We don't have
a ton of practice time. We we have a culture
here when you've won one game in two years, one
one game in two years, and you want us to
make lemonade out of lemons with less time because you're
worried about the fact they might get hurt. You know

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when Hugh Jackson said yes, because no matter how much
we change in terms of the culture, if you ain't
got the dogs, it doesn't matter, all right, it doesn't matter.
It does not matter. It's the same reason that even
though I love the competitiveness of people, Heck, you look

(24:44):
at the Oakland Raiders, two years ago. Why they why
were they non competitive in the playoffs? They lost their quarterback? Yeah,
I think a nineteen point lead. They had Derek carr in.
He ends up getting hurt out for the season. Nine.
Go up to the they show up to the box
and there's Mark Davis and he's going crazy. Why was

(25:05):
he in the game? And I'm sure he was in
the game because he's a competitor, because they're trying to
win a game, because they're trying to get a better seed,
because they're trying like, no, it doesn't matter if he's
not healthy, not if it matters. And so yeah, look,
I they can both be right, they can have that discussion.

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And you know what, Hugh Jackson, I hear you. I
hear you. I hear you. We're still gonna do it
my way. You know why, because it's my football team.
Because if this radio show is bad, it doesn't go
down as you know what, as bad as Ryan Music
was bad that day, nobody cares. They don't. You don't.

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You don't listen. You don't get the credit you deserve
when it we're good. But you also don't get the
blame that you deserve when we're bad. That's just not
the way it works, right. And Hugh Jackson, who knows
could be his last shot. He had one year with
the Raiders, he's had now this is his third year
with the Browns, and I guarantee sitting there going like, dude,

(26:09):
I gotta win some games. All that culture stuff is great,
It's true. We do have to get tougher. We have
to learn how to win. We have to learn to
push through things, get more mentally tough. But we can't
do it with backups. We don't have enough talent with
our starters, let alone with our backups. You ain't got

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the dudes, you ain't got a chance. Fox Sports Radio
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longest tenured and winning his coach in uh in Oklahoma
State history. He's one fourteen and fifty three. That sounds good,

(26:55):
but considering the long history with long disappointing his we
of Oklahoma State football, with the exception when he was
there as a player in a couple other years, it's
been unbelievable. What he's done unbelievable. Mike Gundey, head coach
Oklahoma State, joined us on the Doug gott Leave Show. Coach,
how are you. I'm doing good, Doug, Thanks for having me. Um. Okay,
So this is a when when we say it's a

(27:16):
new year, oftentimes it sounds good, but you bring back
same coordinate. But Dators, you bring back the same stars.
I know you have Justice Hill back as a star
running back, but new quarterback, new wide receiver, new defensive coordinator.
How different is How different will this Oklahoma State team
look to the one we saw last year? Defensibly quite

(27:37):
a bit. Offensively, Um, we're gonna do a lot of
the things we've done in the past. But you know,
we we had the luxury of having Mason here for
three years and James Washington and Aton and all the
guys that you're referring to, and so over a certain
period of time, those practices and games kind of all
look the same based on having that maturity and that experience. Um,

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but with Jim Knowles coming in defensively, we have a
we have a different look. You know, we're in the
four to five scheme now and gives us a lot
of different ways that we can attack an offense. And
I really like where he's at. I'm sure you've read
up that he's an Ivy League guy, and I love
his ability to teach and get into the minds of

(28:21):
the young man that we're coaching today. Um, and I
think he's doing really well. We'll find out a lot.
We'll know a lot more. I guess I should say,
Doug in two months, we'll see how it works. You know,
what's interesting is he's he's kind of a hyper aggressive
guy in terms of how his team's play right by reputation.
But you know, if you've done this as long as
you and I have, every defensive cordner who comes in

(28:43):
coach says, you know, we're going to be more aggressive.
If that were the case, by the time we get
to two thousand eighteen, they would be blitzing on every play.
So so give me, give me a sense of the realistically,
how much more aggressive is his style as opposed to
coach Glenn Spend your style, your former defensive coordineer. Well,
what you said is is exactly right, and that's why

(29:06):
I said, you know, we'll find out in a couple
of months. Just just how good we are there. It's
it's a little different approach and I think the the
the illustration you gave, the example of the hyper aggressive
personality wise that really fits him. Um. He's Um, He's
he's willing to take more chances, I think than than

(29:28):
Glenn was Um based on competing against UH no huddle
aggressive teams like we will see in this league. And
the reason that we vent hole on the state play.
The sole of offense we do is to put defensive
coordinators on their heels and we want to scare them

(29:48):
and and that's why we play the style we do.
I'm guessing that the other coaches in this league are
doing the same, and I think Jim Um coach Knowles
will challenge them more than what we have in the past.
Um on the other hand, though that when you when
you do attack, you run the risk of of giving

(30:09):
up that big play. Is that something that you like?
It's it sounds good in theory, right, but until it
actually happens. Um. Look it it took you, I don't know,
maybe maybe even two or three years before Mike You're
chich your your offensive coordinator. He took came in and
took over dues until it felt like you two were
symbiotically working together. Now it's a really good partnership. Um

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is it is? Do you think it's gonna be a
smooth less smooth like? How do you think that will
actually end up working out? I think it'll be a
little more smooth. When when Mike came in here as
an offensive coordinator, we were not very good up front.
In fact, we were poor up front. We had missed
on some young men and we were really struggling. We

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were young in the experience and and we didn't have
the type of running back that we had had here
in the ask that made it more difficult to a transition.
We're more talented defensively from an athletic standpoint that with
with Jim taken over UM, and there there is some
risks there. The head coach has to be willing to
take that risk, and I think you you do it

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in a smart way. You say, if if these are
things that we want to do to UM to increase
the bad plays the offense has against us, we can
have a plan to do it, but we also have
to have a way that if it's not working, we've
got to get back to plan base and not being
so aggressive. And that's all based on how good the

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quarterbacks are on the other team. Because when you play
good quarterbacks now in these in these high um or
in these spread offenses, whether they throw the ball down
the field a lot, uh, they can hurt you really fast.
If if their quarterbacks is inexperienced and might not be
as quality as what we've seen here in the past

(31:59):
over the last three of four seasons, then you can
be in attack mode more often during the game. See here,
here's my kind of working fan philosophy. My Gundy head
coach Oaklahoma State. UM, you've taught me so much and
listen to you and interviewing you. You talked about years
ago how you switched. You put forty four scholarships on
the defensive side of the ball. You understand that this
is an offensive league, but you've got to have the
numbers defensively. I look at the makeup of your team,

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and you've got Justice Hill, who I talked to an
NFL scout was like that that's a that's a first
round caliber, starting caliber running back. But you also have J. D.
King and L. D. Brown, Like you're really good in
that backfield. I kind of feel like, you know what
you're kind of putting together, which is, yeah, you're gonna
give up a player too, but meanwhile, we're gonna wear
you down with our offense with longer drives and that

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like any like any league, but especially the Big Twelve,
it becomes about conditioning. And even though you may have
given up points, you're not giving up as long as
drives because you're gonna generate some turnovers and give up
some big plays as opposed to offensively, their defense is
gonna be on the field longer. Is that a working
of philosophy and a dream situation now works out? And

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it really is. And when you look at it from
a business standpoint. From our point of view, let's say
that that Tyler Consum continues to play well as doing
a good job. We really like what he's done at quarterback.
He's been really good in the last week and a half.
Drew Brown, the young man that transferred in from Bay,
has proven that he's played at this level and he

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knows what he's doing. He's a he's a shortstop, Jim
Rat point guard type of player. But we're really good
at running back. So we've got we might have three
guys on this team at the running back position that
would be potentially playing in the NFL something. So you know,
as well as I view, we need that many guys
I could talk to the potentially play in the NFL.

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We have to use them in the right way. And
that also allows us to brank the other guys at
that position and slowly get them acclimated to the water
temperature to where they can play their game. And I
think we're going to be better in the offensive line
by the first of October. Then we've been around here
in five years. So when you put that formula together

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and then you tie in your special teams and see
how you want to bring that into the game. Let's
force her hand a little bit. Let's let's see what
people can do to make some plays. If we get
some up. Okay, we're gonna get the ball, um, let's
pound on him a little bit. Let's let these backs
make some plays and then as soon as they do that, well,
then the gives us a chance to throw the ball

(34:28):
over the top, which is what we're gonna do anyway.
And let's see how that formula works, um, and try
to keep guys healthy. And that's really where we're sitting
right now based on the new team that we have.
You mentioned Taylor corne all this that those big shoes
to fill. But he's a big old dude. What was
now he's he's six six, two thirty two. But you
go back five years ago, I think when you you

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first said is was he pounds? Is that true? Yeah?
I want eighty two, I think is what he was?
Um and n s Doug. He can really run. He'll
run a He's probably a pretty legitimate for seven kids,
but because he's so tall, he takes really big strides
and so I'm kind of excited about the ability to
have him keep the ball and make a play, you know,

(35:11):
six seven times a game, just enough to keep people honest.
And I think that's gonna be a really good part
of our game. On offenses fall the I think the
one question that I would have, and that I think
a legit football question would be Drew Brown transfers in
from Hawaii. He's seen live bullets. Do you know, how
do you how do you create a situation. I understand

(35:32):
that every day is a competition, he's fighting for his job,
but is there a way to create way to create
the type of atmosphere that he's going to see when
he's in the Big twelve. So, you know, because some
guys are gamers and some guys are practice guys that
you know how Taylor Cornelys is gonna gonna play when
the lights are on the popcorns popping. What one thing

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we do, Doug, And you know, I was just thinking,
we've got to get you out here some for some
of our practices. But we go at eleven on eleven
in a thud mode, which means we don't go to
the ground. But we we go eleven on eleven a lot,
which is we play the game, We put the ball
out there, we get both sides, office and defense off
the field, the clocks running, the twenty five second clocks running, um,

(36:16):
the sounds on loud, and we play the game like
thirty six plays a day, and so um the substitutions.
We don't never stop it. We don't ever stop blow
whistle or and say hey, let's do this in that
quarter if if they're lying up wrong or well there's
a mistake, the quarterbacks got to fix it himself. And
I may we make them do that every day. And

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Taylor's been in those situations for for three years here
and um, Drew has been in him just a week
and a half. But you can already tell by watching
that Drew knows how to get himself out of the
jam because he's played in twenty five games at this level.
Despite what we're putting through here. So is it like
is it like in the game? Close? But it's not

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because there's not sixty five thousand people are streaming at you.
But it's the best we can do, um to get
these guys ready and get an idea of can the
handle the pressure? And as you know, it's not the
same as Santa and shooting the free throw with two
seconds left of me and down by one's still not
the same. But it's the best we can do. No, No,
it's it's yeah. If everybody, every coach in basketball does
the alrighty make two free throws and you guys go

(37:19):
home and not everybody runs, and hell, I can make
up in practice, and all of a sudden, you know,
you get, you get, you get ten thousands on the
road and and you start turning cold cole in coal
into two diamonds. Um okay, so what look last year,
I don't know how you felt I'm sure you were
privately a little bit disappointed, like ten wins, but ten
wins with the three year starter, a quarterback, of stud

(37:41):
at wide receiver. You guys had a good team and
you probably felt like you left a win or two
out on the on the field. What signifies a season
that you're that you're proud of this year? Well, I
I felt that way UM And you know, it's like
what you talked about in that UM. To win thirty
games and three years is fantastic, but it was it

(38:04):
was hard on men off seasons because we were really good.
We we lost to a great o U team. Doug
in Mayfield was fantastic as a college football quarterback. UM,
but we we didn't play as well as we could
have in the other games. And I'm not taking anything
away from the teams that beat us, because they beat us,
But I felt like that we underachieved UM as coaches

(38:29):
and there was times ment to achieve as players UM and.
But but that's the way it goes, um and and
of course that's why you rally back each year. But
we're building numbers up around here like we have never before,
and so I don't see the turnaround being as long
at times to get to a point where you could
have potentially compete on national level because if we just

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make a few plays last year, we could have very
well been in the playoffs, you know. And and you
know when you and any any of that was the
year before, you probably should have been the plaoff, right,
So I mean it's that's correct. I mean, so you're
you're not that far away. And you know, when you
get into a one game playoff, you you mess around
and winning, you get into the finals, and then it's
there's no talent that will happen. So, um, we're very

(39:16):
proud of what we have. But you know, last year
is kind of in the off season war on me
a little bit, just based on there's not that that
many times when you have that many guys. So but
but we're we're getting there. Yeah. Um, you guys have
a massive new scoreboard in the end zone. Um, I
just wonder if that's if you feel like that's gonna
be distracting when you're headed that way right when you're

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when you're going to what is at the east end zone?
That is it? It's so big, I mean it takes
up and then there's all this to the two other
video boards. You've got three video boards, but the one
is just massive, right, is that if you take I
think there's maybe six video boards bigger than college football.

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But if you take and I'm not smart enough to
do this, but if you take how close it is
to the field and the size and get some kind
of a per capital of the middle of the row
measurement off that it's by far the largest in the country.
It's like sitting in your living room in a man
cave watching the TV. And here's what we're going to do, Doug.

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We're in a practice six times in the next three
weeks on the field at different times in the day
with the video board running, just to try to figure
out what kind of a distraction it is, if any
at all, and get adjusted to it. Yeah, it's it's crazy. Um.
This is an aside. You mentioned how much you respect
Baker Mayfield as a college quarterback. You've seen him come

(40:38):
and you've seen him go. Generally, the big twelve quarterbacks
have not None of them have done much in the pros.
I've told people, for like one of the one of
the signs, I thought that r G three wasn't who
he purported himself to be. Was how he handled himself.
When you guys kicked their tail on your field, who's
been the most Who's the guy who's the big twelve
quarterback that didn't six eating the pros that you you

(41:01):
you would swear they're a quarterback. No one knows it
better than you. You would have sworn he was going
to be a good pro. Well, he's still announcing around.
But Brandon Wheaton was just to me a guy that
was a a sure fit based on a pure pat
pocket passer, had an uncanny ability to make a throw,
and he was intelligent, he was older, and you know,
he went to Cleveland and we don't know what's happened

(41:22):
to guys that went there. And then when he was
in Dallas at for a while, you know, I actually
think he played pretty good at times. Um, you know,
when he was in there days was heard all the
time and they don't they didn't le him throw the
ball downfield at all. He was just thinking dunk, which
is not what he does best. But and but and
I still think that he could do it. But obviously,
you know, there's not teams that have had just gone

(41:43):
to him. But he's a guy but I'll tell you
the guy that I really like does Pat Mahomes. He's
from day one when I saw him a Texas taking
the true freshman and washed him mature. He can do
like Lebronish style stuff in football. He can run one
way and just turn and flip the ball from his
hips and throw it forty yards down the field and

(42:03):
hit somebody on stride. He's frequously strong and fast, and uh,
I think you're going to see him really really take
off once he gets to custom And and they let
him take over there in Kansas City. All right, everybody
wants the mullet update. I've seen it. It looks thicker,
it looks well groomed, it looks trimmed. What's what's the
plan for the hair of the season. Well, that's exactly

(42:24):
what it is. Now. We we put a little trended
up a little bit and and put a little moose
in it. Give us, give it a little body. But
I I've actually trend to some in the summer. But
I'll get to working too much now, won't mess with
it for a while. So uh it could it could
get to the grizzly Adam stage at any time over
the next six eight weeks. College basketball has changed their
recruiting rules. There's been some adjustment to college football. If

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I put my Gundi, who's a former player, a former
quarterback coach, former offensive coordinator, head coach in position, you
can you can change any two rules you want for
college football recruiting. What would you change? Who I would?
I would minimize the amount of time that UM coaches
can be on the road looking at underclassmen. I just

(43:08):
don't like to try and to evaluate sixteen year old
kids and try to see if they can play college football.
We're a year ahead further than we should be. But
how but how do you But how do you do that?
Because you know now you get them to commit early,
they get on campus early, so they play in the spring.
The whole process has been sped up well. But but

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but we we don't have to there's so much technology
now done. We don't have to do this. We we've
got every video of every kid in the country sitting
right here, and we're it's at our finger fingertips, So
we we don't necessarily have to UM spend the time
to go in and evaluate and have discussions with kids

(43:55):
that are sophomores in sixteen years old. Um, it's okay
to see them, look at them, but they're you know,
they're leaning towards potential contact at school with young men
that are sophomores of their spring year prior to their
junior year and coaches coming in and talking to them
and having you know, ten fifteen minute conversations with him

(44:17):
at school, And I just don't think that's good. Uh,
you know, it just just image a really good player.
How many coaches are gonna want to talk to that kid,
And he's sixteen years old, and he's in the spring
prior to his junior year, and he's in school during
the day, and so I don't think that's good. Um.
But but football has done a better job than basketball.

(44:39):
Basketball's way out of control in my opinion, with what
they do in their calendar and it's year round and
all that. But we we just have to be careful
that we don't let um other people influence what we're
doing in football based on what's happened in the basketball
recruiting because the day just open up and making a
free fall, and that goes all the time. You can't

(45:01):
really govern in police and and then that's when it's
not really a good thing for the scort coach. I
can't wait to see on Fox Sports one on the
thirtie it's gonna be hot and that that that that
video board is gonna be spectacular. I will come out
and see one of those practices in person. And thanks
for bring our guest on on the Doug got Leap Show.
He appreciate you and look forward to getting you out
here sometimes spend a couple of days with us. All right,

(45:21):
take care every body, All right, let's do it, my
Gundy head coach Koma States. Be sure to catch live
editions of The Doug Dot Leaps Show weekdays in noon
eastern three pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the
I Heart Radio app. Let's catch up with Martellis Bennett.
Of course we were, Martellis. We're pointing out all the
quarterbacks you play with, right, Cutler, Romo, Eli, a Rod

(45:42):
and Tom Brady. Who's the best quarterback you play with?
You're listening a lot of them? Huh, you're listening a
lot of guys. All right, who'd I miss? Brett Hunley,
John Kittinger, Brad Johnson, David Carr. I pick the good ones.

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I picked the really good ones. Who's the best quarterback
you play with? Bollinger, who's the best quarterback you play with?
I said, good ones. I mean, I don't know. It's
all to each his own. I was fortunate to play
with all the really good quarterbacks. There's not one. Gut
Brady and Rogers. Are they that much better than everybody else?

(46:25):
I think that um, no one has more armed talent
than Aaron. Aaron could do pretty much anything with the ball. Uh.
I feel like Tom is really Tom is precise easier
to play with. I would say it's easier to play

(46:46):
with Tom than anybody else. What why? What? What? What
is it? What is about that makes it easy to
play with? He just makes the game easy, like what
he expects and where he wants you to be and
where he's putting the ball, And it's just repetition. He
does so many reps with you and repetition, whether his
mental reps or uh physical reps or walk through like
he's always like letting you know. He communicates the best

(47:09):
of like what he expects in the new community. I
think like the communication between him and receiver, it's probably
like on the highest level of like what you like
to do what he likes to throw and he see something.
If you asked him to do something, he'll try and
he's like, oh yeah, let's go at it. So I
think he was probably the easiest to work with. You
had one of your biggest bounce back season was with

(47:30):
Eli and the Giants. That kind of propelled you to
kind of a second stage of your career. What was
it like? I don't think I would't thut of the
bounce back season. Okay, well, I mean maybe it's because
maybe it's because you maybe it's because you did in
New York. Maybe it's because he did in New York
that it felt bigger, right, I mean, you know because
in New York is my first year as a starter.

(47:51):
I was a backup four years and Dallas of me,
I don't know what people would expected me to do
behind Jason, So that I mean going to New York
was my first it to be a four time starter.
I wouldn't call it a bounce a bounce back year.
It was just a year to be in position to
make plays. What was it What was it like to
play with Eli? I love Elo. Elove is a great guy.

(48:12):
I mean, he's a good quarterback that we'll play with.
He taught me a lot like the same thing. He
had that same type of communication level as um as Brady,
as far as like let you know what to do
with the spect Like there's some different routes, like a
basic route if it's a gift Tampa two. You know,
he would like for you to run in a knife
underneath the salm and just sit in that soft spide
and that hole. You know, so it almost turns into

(48:35):
a deeper a TV. But you know, instead of running
and trying to run around the salm and get in
the second window by the first one that he just
wants you to run right to the first one down
and sit down. And he likes to get it to
like little things like that, like just a communication level
of just being out there and playing with him. Statistically,
you had your best year with the Bears. Obviously the
team wasn't that good that year. But you've got a
ton of balls, got ninny balls that you're you're you're

(48:56):
a pro bowler. But Jay was a guy to which
no matter how how much town he had, no matter
how deep took the Bears in the playoffs, people just
didn't love him like he Now he's probably bigger as
a reality show guy now than and more likable now
is a reality show guy than he was as a quarterback.
What was your J Cutler experience? Like, Well, it's because
as a quarterback you have certain parameters and as expectations

(49:17):
for a guy to be Like so I think if
you just have set people for who they are, then
you weren't. You won't have that with Jay Cutler, you
know what I'm saying. Like J on TV, he just
gets to be who he is and people like that
because it's just they don't have these parameters of what
they think he should be like. Right, and then but
what J I mean? We I love playing with J.
J total Jacob Toto ball very I mean, nobody's will

(49:40):
get you the ball the way Jay gets you the ball.
Martella's Bennett joining us in the Doug Gotlip Show on
Fox Sports Radio March. You announced your retirement. Now we're
into August. Uh, there's already been one preseason game, bunch
of preseason games tomorrow night. You miss it? I think
preseason is ridiculous. Well, but but do you miss it? Yeah? No, no,

(50:07):
tomb not even a little bit. No. Huh. Good with
it done. Just do you want to do these animated
You want to do animated stuff instead? Like that's you're
onto the next thing and no looking back. Yeah, pretty much,
I've moved on. Like It's like, I hate when people
be like, oh, he retired. I didn't retire. I just
work for another at another company. Now, it was like's no,

(50:29):
if you left you know your radio station after you know,
however many years you've been doing it, and go work
somewhere else. You didn't retire from where you were. You
just want to go do something else. No, but I
was doing Look, I worked at the ESPN, then I
worked at CBS. Don't work to Fox. I've essentially had
the same radio show in the same hours and done
TV as well. If I if I started doing the
Fantastical Adventures of a j which is your new animated show,

(50:52):
that is a complete career change, and people would say, hey,
do you miss getting on the radio every day and
saying what you think about sports in life? Right? I
think that's a reasonable question to ask what I'm saying.
But I'm saying like, I wouldn't say that you retired.
I retired from radio because you can't the differences in football,
you can't go The assumption is you can't go back,
Like you stopped playing, you can't go back. Then we

(51:13):
see that with CEO. But why do you think to
wants to still play? I think he just loved the
game so much. I think it's more out of a
love for something. Like imagine loving something your entire life
and no longer being able to do that, not because
of like just because physically you're not the people don't

(51:34):
think that you can't do it physically and use like
this physical specimen you feel like you still can. So
like when you love something and someone like it is
taken away from you for different reasons, then being realizing
that it's not you that can't do it anymore. I
think it's totally different. It's like it's like if they
kicked you off, that they told you that you couldn't
do radio no more, would be totally different, you know

(51:54):
what I'm saying, Like, like it would be totally different.
Would be like if you lost your voice, you know,
like like you literally literally lost your voice. You lost
your voice. Well it knows like like like your voice
changing and people say you can't do radio normal because
your voice not the same you know you can still
do it because you can still talk, you can still run.
You didn't lose like your ability to talk. It just
sounds different. Now Martellis Bennett joining us on the Doug

(52:18):
Otlip Show here on Fox Sports Traders. So could you
still do it? We'll play football? Yeah? Yeah, So why not?
Don't love it? Not? You just done done with that
phase of your life because like Chargers lose Hunter Henry,
that's a that's a potential playoff team, maybe even super
Bowl team. They call you like, hey, dude, we want
to take a look. No interesting, you sound like John

(52:40):
Kittner right now. I'm asking you a question. No, I mean,
I mean I don't know. I mean I could probably
play a good four or five more years if I
wanted to physically, So why not do it? Because I
don't want to do it anymore. I want to go
do something else with with myself, my life. I feel
like I seen years of I mean I did it

(53:02):
for teen years. You know it was just like I
just have all these other dreams I want to do.
I want to do before I die. It's fair point
what people say New England playing in New England's not fun?
Is that fair. I don't think it's fair. Some people
don't think Disneyland is fun. Who doesn't think Disneyland is fun?
I mean like, if you're waiting the lines the whole time, okay, maybe,

(53:24):
but riding the rides Disneyland is fun? What levels of
fun it is? You know? Like if you're a roller
coaster guy, you're like, well, six flags, I'd like a
little bit better, and then go ahead. You can say
the same thing about if you one of the people's
like what they say, oh, practice is not fun, but
when if the games is fun, it's no different waiting
in line and then get into the ride. It's the
same thing. Okay. But um, in comparison to the other places,

(53:46):
like looking with the Cowboys, with the Bears, you with
the Packers, um you're with the Giants? Was it was
it less fun to go to work with the Patriots
that it was elsewhere? Now, some in some regards that
was more fun because they just didn't worry about anything
else but football. In some of the other workplaces they

(54:07):
worry about like who you are, like how you dress,
what you look like, all this other stuff, Like I mean,
you come to work to play football only thing. Coaches
should be talking to you about his football, like, don't
like everything else we didulous, I had my most fun
in my NFL career plan for the Patriots. Martell Us
Bennett joining us the Fantastical Adventures of a j first

(54:27):
animated series. My question is is this is this c
G I or did you draw? Like? Did you draw
all these things? Or is it? I usually draw original characters, catches,
and then my company and we do animation like we
do animation like well, like I don't have animators in house,
so like you outsource the animation. But I wrote it,
directed it. Um, I scored it. I did school with

(54:50):
my friend. Um we did the score. I did a casting,
I did a voice over in it. I produced it.
I mean I pretty much did everything you could possibly
do it except for that actual animation. I take take
take it, take a j your your character. You've written
books and the adventures of the Imagine Imagination Agencies. Hey

(55:11):
AJ series, take that out. Your favorite cartoon ever is
what Tom and Jerry? Yeah? I like the bulldogs and
Tom and Jerry? What's the what's the butcher? What's the
what's the bulldogs name? In Tom? Yeah? You know, last
last week I was in New York. I was staying
at the Parker but Parker Meridian, and when you're in
the elevators, they play Tom and Jerry on the UH

(55:33):
on the on the TV, and I'm like, man, I
feel like they feel like Saturday Morning Cartoons is not
as a kid, you know, they don't watch Saturday Morning
Cartoons anymore. Yeah, because you could get you could get
content anywhere anytime now, so like to have something that
tops up. That's the whole thing. That's the whole thing
wrong with cable t television right now. Like why wait
weekly to watch an episode of your show when you
could just go bench watch it all at one time.

(55:54):
So like it's like, do you really want to wait
a week to be to see what happens? And the show?
They good? So it's like the whole thing now, Like
Saturday Morning Cartoons was great because you waited all there's
no other cartoons during the week, and then Saturday you
came up. You know, all your favorite shows will be
on there, from from Static Shock to Duck Tells the
Tale Spen to Rescue Rangers to all the the animanti acts.

(56:16):
All the shows that come on depend on showing you
watch you know, Saturday morning, that was the place to be.
You got up early, you got your bowl of cereal,
and you said there and you watched the cartoons. But
now with the consumption of media happened at all times anytime,
you don't have to wait too to get a show.
So with the being so much population out there to consume,
everyone compete and no one wants to take the time

(56:38):
to kind of craft something that's just like a boutique
type uh atmosphere to watch the show. A couple of things.
First of all, it's all all genius. You catch it,
catch the Hey a, it's bedtime or hey a, j
it's Saturday books. Go to Barnes and Noble dot com
or the Imagination Agency dot com. Martellus Bennett joining us. Okay,
you talked about Saturday morning on the couch bowl of cereal. Hey,

(57:00):
here's the question. A couple of questions. The best cereal
for for that setup is what Captain Crunch with the
Captain Country with the berries. Okay, you get done eating
the Captain Crunch. You got a bowl and it's got
milk in it. The milk is pink, right, do you
drink that? Do you drink the milk? Or do you
put do you fill it up with more Captain Crunch
until there is no more milk? Fill it up with

(57:21):
more Captain crush. There there's a little bit milk left.
Do you drink it with the spoon or do you
tip it up sideways and just slip it up. I
don't need a straw, I'll just tip the bowl of
I'm still a savage. All these are All of these
are great answers. All these are great answers. The proper answer, though,
should have been just so you know, uh, you don't
have that that you didn't have the test syllabus or whatever.

(57:42):
But it should have been um road Runner, especially with
Wildly Coyote. That's the best cartoon. I'm personally a Golden
Graham's guy, and I like, Oh, Golden Grams are big time,
but the Golden Grams are Golden Grams are big time
this year. Captain Crunch is great. You'll win the popular
vote with Golden Grahams, but I win the sensible vote
with Golden Grams. I'll go Raisin Brand before I go

(58:07):
I like. I like Raisin Brand tears me up a
little bit, a little bit too much personal information. I
just I just Martellus, let's do this again sometime really
really soon. Love having you on, Thanks for joining us,
Thank you. All right, that's Martellis Bennett joining us in
the dug Outlip Show