BKR: Unwritten Rules, Baker Mayfield on the bench & Mark Schlereth

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well pretty much everywhere. Who would have thought showed us
we would be talking about Marlin's Braves in the August
leading into an NFL preseason week, in the middle of
training camps, that Marlin's Braves would grab our attention. But
there's a reason that it grabs our attention because last
night in Atlanta, as Ronald Kuna Jr. Was stepping to

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the plate trying to homer for the fourth straight game
in the leadoff spot, actually would be a sixth straight
game with a home run if he was able to connect.
Last night, he stepped in the box and well, this
is how it played out. The first pitch hit him.
Oh drilled him in the left elbow, walking in the

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direction of Irania, and now he stops. He's in a
lot of pain, and the Braves are coming out onto
the field, and the Marlins are coming out onto the field.
Brian snickers right in the middle of it, barking in
Josean Urania that on the Braves Radio Network last night
is then Ronald Kuna had to leave the game. By
the way, the update day to day with that elbow contusion,

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but plunked after home ring in five straight games, three
straight games where they lead off home run for Kuna
plunk last night against the Marlins. Many people, including the
Atlanta Braves, were not too happy with what we saw
last evening. Yeah, and I can understand why they took
it as a cheap shot. A guy was red hot
and so they thought, Okay, well, let's let's cool this
guy down now. It should be said. I don't know

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if this is an indictment on the Marlins or just
um Urania for beating him, because it seems like it
was just one guy out for to try and cool
down a guy who's been red hot over the past
several games. But I mean, it's not like this is
a first in major League baseball. It's not like we
we haven't seen these bean ball wars before. This is

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part of what comes with major league baseball. I wasn't
so outraged by it as everybody else. And that doesn't
mean that my opinion is right or that I'm in
the right with this. Maybe I'm just used to seeing
things like this playout in baseball, and so I wasn't
that surprised by it. I don't think that this is
part of the unwritten rules though. This is this is
my issue with it. I get if a guy's hot

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and you can say what you want with a bat flip,
that is a whole another conversation that that will dive into.
But Jonas pitching inside is one thing to plump the
guy on the first at bat for the reason that
so many of us are watching. To me, is is ridiculous.
I think it's reckless on the account of the Miami
Marlins and Jose Urania, but the simple fact of the

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Braves are actually playing for something. So you may not
like that a player is hit a home run in
five straight games that has let off the last three
games with a home run. You may not like the
way that he bat flips, but guess what. The Braves
are actually playing for a division title, and this guy
is a big, big part of why they are near
the top and at the top of the NL East.

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This is why it is so ridiculous, because the Marlins
aren't even close to making the playoffs. They are irrelevant.
They are just there. This is all about the Braves,
and to do this because you have hurt feelings, to
direct the possible chance that the Braves could make it
into the postseason by injuring one of their top players.
To me, that's ridiculous. That that's that's absurd about it.

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And when we talk about the unwritten rules in Major
League Baseball, there may be home runs in a game
where somebody is his hits. Some maybe there was a
previous previous instance like Hunter Strickland and Bryce Harper had
with the Giants and Nationals. This didn't seem to be
the case. This was right off the bat of just
plunking him mad because he hit home runs. That to me,

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is not in the unwritten rules of baseball. Um, it's
it's it's the difference between old old school and new
school mentality. But it's not like this is just exclude
the baseball. You hear commentators talk in the NBA, like
if you're watching NBA on t NT Thursday night games
and a guy is red hot and there's no defense
downlow or whatnot, you'll hear Charles Barkley or Shaquille O'Neal

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or Kenny Smith say, listen, next time that guy gets
in the lane, you gotta knock him on his ass.
That's not exactly the way you're supposed to play basketball,
but it's the old school mentality and it is part
of the game. You've seen guys in the NFL talk
about the new rules as far as a defenseless receiver
or lowering the helmet or whatnot, and you'll hear old

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school players say, well, I mean back when I played,
that was a legal hit, so I don't know what
they expect anymore. And so now you're hearing a lot
of people and some old time baseball players and people
around the game saying, look, that's part of the game.
So it turns into this new school versus old school mentality.
I'm not saying that that. I again that I am

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right in this. I just wasn't that outrage or surprised
by it because I grew up watching baseball and that's
kind of what I grew up watching. I think that
the bat flip was mild. I don't think that it
was showing anybody up. I have seen worse. I think
that what we have seen with the Kunya is actually
great for baseball. And one of the themes that we've
heard in Major League baseball all season long. It's really

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been centered around Mike Trot of the Angels and why
Mike Trout isn't a bigger star. And we have even
the commissioner jumping out in weighing in, Gee, I wonder
why we don't have stars if they're getting plunked because
they are hitting home runs in a great rate over
a certain team like this is this to me is
a bigger part of a problem in baseball. We hear,
we hear the act like you've been there before. I

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remember Jeffrey Leonard back in the in the eighties playing
for the San Francisco Giants. I have no idea on
how many home runs Jeffrey Leonard hit in his career,
but I can tell you when he rounded the basis
he had one flat down. And that was one of
the things that you knew that Jeffrey Leonard in his
home run trot, would bring some excitement to baseball. It
was a part of what he was doing. Now we
can't even find out if a guy can homer in

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four straight leadoff at bats of a game and do
it in six straight games because the other team has
hurt feelings. We are limiting stars from doing what they
were made to do just because the other team feels
showed up or as hurt feelings. And that's ridiculous. What
if what if Ronald Lacuna broke his elbow last night
from that pitch and missed two months. Now, not only

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are the Braves shorthanded going into a pennant race, but
they are also without a big star, young star that
could help grow Major League Baseball, all because some Miami
Marlins didn't like what he did the night before. And
that is, I think is a huge issue, is why
are we Why are we so sensitive that we have
to be but hurt over something that's is so minor. Yeah,

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and it's and and I agree with you on the
point of you don't allow these guys to celebrate pictures
get a red ass if a guy flips his bat.
Jose Batista flipping his bat got all sorts of reaction
in the postseason several years ago. People get get piste
off of some of the Latin players and the way
they they celebrator, they taunt, or they run the bases
or they make a play. I have no issue with

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any of that stuff that I do agree that major
League Baseball could do something with and and could could
try and help these guys build their brand, not just
Major League Baseball, with their own personal brands by showcasing
some of the talent like Hobby Bias is another one.
A lot of people don't like Hobby Bias because of
the antics. Wilson Contreras of the Cubs is another one.

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There's other Latin players around the league who's celebrating show
boat and it's like major League Baseball, and some of
the old people, like the people in Major League Baseball,
some of the guys that have been around for years
and years don't like that sort of behavior. My whole
point being, this has been a part of the game
for so long. It doesn't make it right, but it's

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just part of the game. And the fact that that
people are tuning in and now saying, well, the well,
that's the problem with major League Baseball. That's why your
sport is dying. That's why nobody cares about your sport
anymore for me and you. Like we've seen in bean
ball wars before, right, we've seen people get hit with
pitches before and and and a player shows off, shows
up somebody else and and a picture goes up. The

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next bat and hits him. I've seen it my whole life.
For us growing up watching baseball, this isn't going to
make us not want to watch baseball. But for the
new breed, for people out there that are trying to
get into baseball and they see this sort of thing,
they think, what the hell is this? Like, I think
it would limit your growth moving forward, But I don't
think it dampens the opinions of people that are watching

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the game currently. See I just look at it is.
I know we've seen this in baseball, but I don't
think we've seen this. I know that we've seen beanings,
and I know that we've seen retaliations, and we've seen
benches be warned in pictures, be warned because of history
between teams. This guy was add a roll. That's what
it was. That this guy was hot, and the Marlins
and Jose Urina for some reason felt offended or they

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felt that the only way to stop him. You know
what you do. If you don't like how Akunia has
been hitting, or you can't figure a way to get
him out, you know what you do. You walk him.
You don't plunk him, You walk him. You let him
go to first base If you don't want to face him,
that's what you do. I don't think that this was
I don't know why the Marlins would get so hurt
about this, or why Jose Urania would feel so hurt.

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And that's the problem that I have. And I I
know the unwritten rules, I just don't think that they
apply in this situation. I know what they did previously,
that's not this situation. Nothing happened in the midst of
a game. Nothing happened previously between these two teams. This
kid is just hitting the the snotting of the ball
and doing it at an impressive rate that robbed all
of us of more action because the Marlins couldn't take it.

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I don't think it falls under the unwritten rules of
baseball because this situation doesn't call for the team that's
out of the pennant race plunking one of the top
stars for a team that's going for a pennant. That's
not a part of unwritten rules of baseball. That's just stupid.
And I also thought that a couple of things to
so none of the Braves really made an aggressive attempt
to try and get at him, like I think they
were trying to figure out what the hell was going on,

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because they didn't expect it, and I don't think anybody
on the Marlins expected it either, because this this felt
like a guy going rogue and a guy who just
sort of ignored and and forgot about there. They're going
to play again, I guess next week or within the
next couple of weeks, they're going to meet up again,
and I'm curious to see what happens if he gets
in a bat, if he's not still suspended. I'm curious

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see how it's handled from there, because if the Braves
go out and they tag a Marlin hitter, that goes
to show you that the Braves feel like that was
a team plan, like the plan was in place as
a team. We're gonna send this guy a message. But
if the Braves go out and there is no retaliation,
they're gonna wait until they get their next shot at Urania.

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I mean that's gonna happen. It's it's you know, uh,
I for an eye. Uh, two rights don't make it
wrong or two wrongs don't make it right, and whatever,
they are going to get some sort of justice. I'm
curious see when it happens. Don maddingly. The skipper of
the Marlins has the tied the major league record for
most home runs and executive games with eight. So I
don't think that, as you said, like this seems to
be maybe be Urania going off on his own. Like,

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it doesn't seem to me that Don Manningly, who never
got plunked in those eight games where he was heating
home runs and was allowed to do so, would do that.
I mean, could you imagine the look of that, Like
it would be like, I don't want him to tie
or break my record. Ken Junior also hit at eight
straight games. That's why you know, your point about him
doing it by himself, I think is of Urena doing
it on his own. Is is very legitimate because it

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would be an awful look for Manningly, the skipper of
the Marlins. You know, I mean to be hecky holds
the Major League Baseball record for how pissed do you
think the Braves were that he got thrown out of
the game so that he couldn't get in a bat?
Oh yeah, because look and and we can we can
talk about well, you know it was wrong what they did,
But if you're the Braves, you were just hoping he

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was going to get one turn at bat because he
was getting going to get one in the ribs guaranteed
and it was gonna happen. So yeah, you just gotta
wait until next time. But a congratulations in Major League
Baseball popping up on the national stage in August, good
for you, Go League Baseball. You guys aren't talking about us. Well,
you can talk about us now. And why you aren't

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talking about us, that's the reason why Major League Baseball
shows again. Why people aren't talking about it's ridiculous. I
would have watched you would have break ins on MLB
Network of whenever a Kuna went to bat. Remember that,
Like with hitting streaks, you would have that. Or with
Mark McGuire and Sammy Sosa, that is something that you
could have got with the cuney Ifee Homer's last night.
Now it's six straight games and he leads off the

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four straight games with leadoff home runs, you would have
break ins with that. You would have something else to find.
I have always felt Jonas that a hitting streak, like
a forty game hitting streaking major League Baseball would do
wonders for the sport to get us all really in.
And this could have been something, and it's all wasted
because of a team that's out of the playoff. Picture
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as we are in for Doug today, getting set for
week two of the NFL season and a whole lot more.
I'm not sure, Jonas, if there's a lot to get
ready for Week two, but it at least gets as
closer to NFL regular season, you know, once you start
checking off those weeks. I love the NFL preseason so
much fun. Man training camps, wrapping up you you love.
What's what's your favorite week of NFL preseason? Um? Six? Yeah, okay,

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I was gonna say week six. I'll go all one
up you, Dan, I'll go week six and a half. Okay,
big six and a half. We'll have to ask our
next guest what his favorite week of the NFL preseason is.
He's a three time Super Bowl champ, co host The
Stink and Evans, and of course you can see him
on the NFL on Fox Is. He's an analyst there.
Mark Slareth Stink joins us year on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Hey, Mark,
thanks so much for coming on. It's my pleasure man,

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gonna be on with you guys. Yeah, so what is
what is your favorite week of the NFL preseason? The
week it's over, Yes, weeks six? There it is, week six. Absolutely, absolutely. Hey,
there's some news in your city of Denver. John Elway
coming out today, and he made moments earlier this week
of saying, hey, they may not be they might not
be set at quarterback. Maybe they'll look elsewhere for a

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number two behind case Keenum. And he was asked today
about Colin Kaepernick, and we know that Denver went down
that road two years ago, and Elway brought up that conversation.
He brought up the point of being we offered him
a contract two years ago, it didn't work out, we
moved on. Is that a fair statement from John Elway
in in assessing the possibility of of bringing in someone

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like Colin Kaepernick. Yeah, I mean they're said at the
starting quarterback position. So I think the one thing that
you have to look at from Denver is, yeah, they
did go down that road. They did try to give
him an opportunity to come in and start. And you
know at least compete for a starting job, and he
didn't want to negotiate with him. He had a figure
in his head. They had a figure in their head.

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Um they couldn't come to you know, they can come
to an agreement. And one thing I know about John
is once you say no to John, he's done with you.
You know, I'm like, I'm moving on the of the
thing is here and never They finally have some stability
with case Keenum, or at least they feel like they
have stability. It has been the last two years an
absolute gong show here with Paxton Lynch and the fact

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that Paxiston Lynch was a first round draft choice and
now for three straight years he's been beat out in
the competition by a seventh round or twice by Trevor Simeon,
now by Chad Kelly. And they're through with all those
questions everybody has to ask about the backup quarterback, the
backup quarterback, the backup quarterback. They are through with that.
So they don't want to bring any of that in here.

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And like I said, Kaepernick was given an opportunity to
come here two years ago and he turned them down.
So they're just done with that. Mark what happened to
Paxton Lynch, Well, I mean Paxton Lynch just Paston Lynch
just can't process it, can't process information quickly enough. And
you know, oftentimes you say that and then people think
and miscomes through that is, oh, the guy's dumb. That's

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not the case. There's a lot of really smart people
that don't process information quickly. Just like you have an
elite level forty times you have an elite level ability
to process. Some guys have it, some guys don't. And
I would argue that the reason you see these collegian
players that are phenomenal and get to the NFL and
can't play is because their physical freak shows and they

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can dominate a college football game, you know, two or
three times a year, or four or five times a
year when they're not faced like competition. You know, you
go to a big school and there's two times a
year or three times a year, or you're facing somebody
who's at your level athletically. So those guys just beat
up on the smaller conference guys and this and the
lesser players. But they get to the NFL and everybody's

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physically gifted. Then it comes down to how quickly do
you process information. And just like there's an elite level athleticism,
there's guys that have elite level processing skills. And it
doesn't mean that you're intelligent, it doesn't mean that you
articulate well. It just means that you can see things
on a football field and have instant reaction. That's why
sometimes a guy like they drafted here in Denver, Josie Jewel,

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you know, everybody said, well, he just didn't he just
didn't run very fast, he didn't have a great forty
times combine. And I'm like, yeah, but he made every play.
Every time you turn on the film. He's just at
the point of attack making the tackle for a one
yard game Like there's something to that. And and that's
what I think ends up costing guys opportunities and costing
guys careers. And for whatever reason, Paxson Lynch just couldn't

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process uh an NFL defense, the speed in NFL defense,
and the variation of an NFL defense. Mark Slayir, three
time Super Bowl champion, Fox Sports One, Fox Sports Radio
NFL analysts with us here on FSR, Dan Buyer, Jonas
Knox him for Doug Gottlieb, how fair is the criticism
that John Elway has gotten from some people in not
being able to find that next great quarterback. I would say,

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how many of them are there? Like three four in
the league. Like, it's not like they're just growing on
trees and you pluck them. I mean, I think part
of I think part of if you want to be critical,
and I think this comes with John and and positions
you play. You know, when I'm analyzing the game on
Fox and I'm watching this game, it's really easy for

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me to watch the game through a straw hole, you know,
just to go whoop right to my position, you know,
right to what I'm used to, right to that line
of scrimmage, right to that front seven and not seeing
anything else. And you've got to look at the totality
of the picture. But that's what I'm comfortable with. So
I think a lot of times when you've played and
you're so as good as you are, I think John
has done a phenomenal job of scouting defensive players. A

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guy like Malik Jackson, who went to a Pro Bowl,
was drafted in the fifth round and then got a
big money contract with Jacksonville. You know, a guy like
Von Miller, you know, guy like Chris Harris Jr. Guys
that and maybe he wasn't here when they when they
drafted Chris Harris Junior. But the point being is he
played quarterback. You're used to seeing what a good defensive
player looks like on film. You're used to seeing the band,

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the reaction time, all that stuff. I think sometimes, you know,
you get cloud by that's what you've seen your whole career,
and then you get enamored by talent from a quarterback position,
but maybe you lose some of the intangible stuff that
you've got to have to play the position. Well, Um,
I would just say one, you know, I think you're
so used to looking at defensive players to the college

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game doesn't prepare uh, college quarterbacks for the most part,
and it's not their job to do it, but it
doesn't prepare them to play in the NFL. And I
think that's an issue that you have as well. But
I think it's just hard to evaluate quarterbacks. And you know,
we're gonna see a whole draft class full of them
in the top ten picks this year, and let's face it, uh,
maybe one of those top ten guys is going to

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go on to have a You know a stellar NFL career.
NFL on Fox analyst Mark Schlereth joining us here on
the Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. He's Jonas Knocks.
I'm Dan Buyer in for Doug one more on Denver
and in the quarterback situation, did what was there a
point where they thought Kirk Cousins was maybe a foregone conclusion?
Because the only reason I asked think is because it
seemed like before he went to Minnesota, all we talked

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about was Denver and the Jets. The Jets in Denver
as possibilities for Cousins, and then Denver dropped the first
domino when they signed case Keenum And I'm wondering if
Cousins let them know. Was there at any point where
they thought they were really in on the Cousins race.
I think they were in on it, and I think
Cousins basically said, no, thanks, he's putting the roster. I

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think one thing you have to understand is Kirk Cousins
was represented by the same agent that Trevor Simeon was
represented by. Trevor Simeons started fourteen games, played hurt, played tough. Yeah,
you know what he lacks pure NFL skill at the quarterback.
But he's as smart as anybody's you've ever met. He'll
make the right decision. Sometimes he won't deliver the ball

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on time, or he wants to deliver the ball accurately,
but like he's not gonna hurt you, you know, from
the standpoint of not knowing what to do. And he's
represented by the same Asian as Kirk Cousins, and he
did all these things and he comes in um in
the training camp, not as the incumbent after starting fourteen
games and literally playing with his shoulder having to be

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like duct taped to his body, and he plays the
whole season that way. And then they opened up the
competition and they try to give it to Paxton Lynch,
who is the last guy in the in the facility,
the first guy out of the facility, doesn't study. They
can't find him for meetings. You know, I mean, how
would you feel if you're Trevor Seemi. Go wait a minute,
I played, I mean I played injured for you guys.

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I shouldn't even played last year. I played injured for
you guys. And I walk into training camp and you're
giving this, you know, you've given this, dude an opportunity,
You're like, an opportunity hasn't earned. I mean, if you
don't think that travels through the agent over to Kirk
Cousins and says, hey, listen, we're not a very talented
team or offensive line is not very good, we can't
run the ball, and oh, by the way, this is
how I got treated over there. Like I think Kirk

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Cousins just basically told told them thank you, but no
thank you. I'm moving to a different organization. Um, last
one for me for Mark Slayer at the three time
Super Bowl champion NFL on Fox analyst here on Fox
Sports Radio, Dan Buyer Jonas knocks him for Doug Godley.
There's so it's looking more and more like Sam Donald
is is getting more rests with the starters. The talk

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is he's going to make his debut and he's going
to start the season as the starting quarterback for the
New York Jets. How concerned would you be as a
veteran on that team with Sam Donald opening up Monday
night at Detroit against Matt Patrician and the Lions. Yeah,
i'd be. I mean, I would certainly be concerned, But
you know, we all have to get our initial start

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and you start to realize, you know, depending on where
you are and how old you are, like, you get
very few opportunities to actually be good. And so I
think you would have to look at that, like, if
that guy gives us the best opportunity to at least
to at least get ourselves to a position where we're
decent at the end of the season and then have
a chance to really compete, you know, he's in a

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great situation in New York because McCown is one of
those guys that loves to mentor young players. He understands
the value of that. Not that he does doesn't want
to start, he doesn't want to play, But he's the
one guy that's not looking to say, hey, man, I
need to be in the mix, and if you guys don't,
you know, if you guys don't start me, I'm gonna
be a sour apple. He's the guy that will say,
let me mentor a young kid. He's just he's wired

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that way, he's built that way. He loves that. It's
kind of like the John Titna of today's era of football.
So I think those are great things, and I think
you would look at it if the kid is talented,
if he's working hard, if he's making them, if he's
if he's jumped into the mental aspect of this game,
then I think there's no question that guys will support
the heck out of that in hopes that, hey, maybe

(25:34):
by the end of the season, we're racing for eight
and eight, or maybe we're racing for you know, for
for respectability, and we're gonna be really good the next
couple of years. Two quick ones before we let you
go stink Number one? How long would you wait to
play Baker Mayfield if you're Hugh Jackson in Cleveland, Um,
I'd probably go for Like, like, they're in a unique
situation because let's face it, Um, he wasn't the pick

(25:58):
of that general manager, you know. I mean that's like
they just retained him. So if you want to retain
that job, you're gonna have to You're gonna have to win.
I mean, that's what it comes down to. So the
best chance to win is playing a veteran quarterback in
Tyrod Taylor who took a Buffalo team to the playoffs,
even even um, even while you know they were they

(26:20):
were benching him for Peterman, you know, because of the
front office. So, I mean he went through some controversy
last year, still took a team to the playoffs. Now,
they didn't perform well in the playoffs, but they got there.
So I look at that and would would say probably
six weeks and then if we're out of it, they're
probably gonna make a change anyhow. But I gotta do
the best thing I can do for my guys to win.

(26:42):
There's no question that Cleveland Browns are four more talented
team than they've been. Um, you just look at their
roster construction. So if I don't, if I don't play
the veterans, We're not gonna win and I'm gonna be
out of a job after week three. So I think
at least six weeks before you make that move as
an organization and as Royce Freeman real deal in Denver,

(27:03):
you know what I think. So, but they are I
don't understand. Like today on my radio show, I called
the Von Booker. Um, I look at him and I
was like, he Sir Mix a lot. He just loves
to run on the big butt of his offensive lineman.
He's sold down. Like, like, I don't understand why you

(27:24):
continue to give Sir Mix a lot opportunity after opportunity.
They have been in a constant rotation of the running
back position and and very much like last year with
the rotation of the quarterback position, at some point, pick
a guy and let that guy be the man, and
I think it will be Royce Freeman. Um. I just
think he's a more talented guy. But he needs some mesh,

(27:45):
and he needs some carries and more than Hey, you
get one carry here, and then the next guy gets one,
and then you get a pass pro, the next guy
gets passed pro, and then we're mixing the third back
in there, Like, he needs to be in there for
three drives straight and get some attempts and get some
past protection opportunities. He needs that. Um, But they like,

(28:05):
I don't understand. There's not one play that Devon Booker
has ever made or whatever his name is. Yeah, DeVante
book See, I can't. That's how innocuous he used to me. Um,
I've never one time we won, he's had two cars,
he's never broken a twenty yard run in two fifty attempts.

(28:26):
I've never one time rewind the film while I was
watching him, going whoa, whoa, what was that? Let me
see that again? Like like, there's no rewindable moments in
his career. So I don't know if he's got pictures
or what, but um, we'll just keep rotating them here.
And I'm at camp every day, so I don't get it.
Don't rewind you fast forward, that's what you do. He's

(28:47):
Mark Slareth the NFL and Fox analysts three times Super
Bowl champ stink. We appreciate it and U Yeah, enjoy
the rest of your summer. My pleasure you guys to
take care of. Aha. He's I'm telling you, man, he's
the best because he will not sugarcoat anything, and it
doesn't matter if it's Broncos or not. And he lives
there and works there, He's gonna open up on somebody.
It doesn't it does not matter. That stuff we gotta

(29:09):
bring at some point during the show. That stuff on
Simeon and Cousins. I think it's pretty revealing because I
don't think anybody else has talked about that, just the
agent relationship and how they treated Simeon and why it
didn't end up working and pacts. The lynch being the
last one there and the first one is another issue. Yeah,
he's that's been brutal alright, Dan Buyer. Jonas Knox in
for Doug Gottlieb here on Fox Sports Radio. We've got

(29:29):
more news out of the NFL coming up next year
on fs ARE. But for all the latest, let's turn
it over to the great and powerful Stephen ser Pay
no attention to the man behind the curtain. We're gonna
lead with NFL news. Three exhibitions tonight, including Pittsburgh at
Green Bay and Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger is out of
concussion protocol. He's not playing this evening, but should play

(29:50):
next week. According to The Post Gazette Philadelphia, New England,
both Nick Foles and Tom Brady are due to play,
Jet said Washington tonight. Dez Bryant is in Cleveland talking
with Brown's. Cleveland dot Com says the visit could go
into the evening. They posted someone's photo of Tess Bryant
signing Cleveland Brown's gear. He's not exactly signed an offer

(30:10):
from the Browns yet, but maybe that is coming up later.
Back in April, o Brian had turned down a three
year offer from the Ravens because he wanted a one
year contract and a chance to hit the market again
after one supposedly good season coming up. Titans tight end
to Laney Walker is being evaluated after an apparent toe
injury at practice today. Giants rookie running back Sae Kwon
Barkley did not practice again mild hamstring strained the problem.

(30:33):
He did some light running on the side. Brandt Snedeker
shot a first round fifty nine at the p g
A event in Greensboro. His round was the tenth under
sixty in the history of the tour, and he started
the day with a bogey and two pars. Casey Kane
says this will be his last full time season in NASCAR.
In baseball, the Rays now leads three nothing over the
Yankees in New York in the top of the eighth

(30:55):
starter All star Blake Snell went the first five scoreless
sittings with six strike outs for the race, starting up
at the top of the hour, first of a day
night doubleheader with the Mets at Philadelphia and Guys. An
update on Ronald Cuno of Atlanta as the Braves host
Colorado tonight. He was called day today after being hit
by a pitch on the elbow. He will start tonight
leading off again for Atlanta. His CT scan was normal.

(31:18):
All these base brawls going on recently, everybody just needs
to calm down a bit, no worries, Acuna matata everybody. Yeah,
that's Jason Smith is trying to move aside Bob Sagen
and st Do you guys you know Steven was mentioning

(31:39):
Dez Bryant signing that Brown's helmet. Do you remember, And
I don't think that they still do it, but do
you remember back in the day those a late night
shopping shows where they would sell baseball cards and memorabili Yeah,
and the guy would be like, you're not gonna believe
what are we doing here? Is this price? Right? We
have got a one o one des Briant art of

(32:02):
Rep Brown's helmet. Like the other guy was just in
awe of what they had. Did. I tell you what
a buddy of mine and I did one time we
got ripped at my parents house. I mean ripped. We're
just drinking beers. We're not on the air, so I
can tell this part. And we were calling up QVC
because they were doing one of those things to where
they were selling stuff, and we were pranked, calling from
my parents house and and throwing down bids because what

(32:27):
happens if you would through throw down a bid and
they would send you over to an operator, but it
would change on the screen to keep the bids. So
we kept calling in fake bids just to see the
numbers rise on the screen. Like we were such losers.
We had nothing to do, and so we did. It
was like during one of those baseball cards or like
many football helmet segments. I will never forget in college,

(32:47):
and I guarantee one of my roommates will remember this.
We were watching it and it was baseball cards and
baseball memorabilia, and all of a sudden, the guys like,
oh my goodness, this this may be the rarest thing
that I've ever seen. Scene and he brings out this
framed maybe I don't know, thirty six by poster. He
goes autographed Reagan and gorbat Chaff, Like, all of a sudden,

(33:11):
we're getting into like political and world history autograph Memorabilia's
I've never been done. Reagan got off autograph poster, It's
yours for nineteen thousand dollars. It was amazing. I still
remember it to this day. How much do you think
if we wanted to sell like an autograph picture of ourselves.
How much do you think we could get for it
like we did? Like like what would would there have

(33:33):
to be? First of all, First of all, you have
a headshot from work? I still don't have one. What
golf trip? Were you at the Uspen? We've also had
photographers here like four other times, but they're just like,
don't even get Dan, He'll break the camera. But so
you could sign it, and then if you just had
my name on the bottom, I could sign it as well.
I don't know, five bucks, a little peeling of the

(33:54):
curtain here. We had a photo day here at work.
Everybody came in and we all took turn and stakeing
our photos. There was one problem, Um, Dan, where were
you at oak Bond? It was it was at Aaron
Hills at the US Open. Yes, yet John Ramos got
his picture taking. So yeah, so John, you could get
a Jonas and John picture and John war was nice that.

(34:15):
I actually think John would get more money than anybody
on the show made for a picture. Maybe it'll be
auctioned off in a in a John Ramo show. That's
what I believe. By the way, it is still b
K R. Buyer Knox and Ryan Ryan Smith. Yes, yes
with this and Ryan Music music. It's like a baker
like Roger Federer, b k rs um. All right, so

(34:37):
Dan looking at us, Dan Buyer, Jonas knocks him for
Doug gott Leave here on Fox Sports Radio. Coming up
next here on FSR, one of the best players in
the NFL had some thoughts on Jalen Ramsey's comments. You
don't want to miss this that's coming up next here
on Fox Sports Radio. Be sure to catch of editions

(35:00):
of the Doug got Leap Show weekdays at noon eastern
three pm Pacific. This is the Doug Gottlab Show on
Fox Sports Radio. He's Jonas Knocks. I'm Dan Buyer. We
are in for Doug today. Amazing stuff from Mark Slaret
if you missed it, not only not only yeah, not
only went after Davante Booker of the Broncos, Paxton Lynch

(35:21):
of the Broncos, and uh yeah others as well. Just
great stuff with stink. Will bring it back a little
bit later on. But right now we bring in Jonas,
our good buddy Steve to say to play a game bag.
This is Game time side on the Doug Gottlab Show.

(35:41):
Hello Steve, Good evening, Slash afternoon once again depending on
your time zone. And let's see how overproduced this is
without I'll say this, I'll say this. Okay, game time
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(36:03):
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to enjoy a more confident car buying. See, we could
have had the deep voice guy that does the movie
trailers do that. That's all right, I could have had
that sitting around. Uh, what what game do we have today? Steve?
Oh yeah, love it. It's for some reasons we have

(36:23):
to have somebody else is Steve I appolo? This is
so rude of me to do on the air, but
my for some reason, our headsets keep going out in
the STO. What does the game we're playing again? Here? Please?
Apparently I've got some items for you from the world
oh sports, and just just end up because Ryan Smith,
you know, is in and out for Johnny may not
have done guests. Who is the control by Ryan. Every

(36:45):
time that Steve on his next one. You just gotta
play guests who's no, that's okay. By the way, I
guaranteed John Romis is listening to the show right now.
He's not doing picking up his kids because they're still
maybe he's in that parking line for the next two
hours are still. That's why I had to take the
whole day off. It's just a small street people. Number One,

(37:07):
Guess who thought Jalen Ramsey's comments about several NFL qbs
were quote funny? This guy in NFL Star running Back
who heard the quotes in the magazine. I'm do you
want to take a guess? Jonas? Okay, um, you go first,
because I'm gonna guess Levan Bell. And the only reason
I'm going to guess that is because there's in a

(37:27):
box in front of me that says Levian Bell thought
Jalen Ramsey's comments were funny, Yes, all right, there it
was there, it was Yeah. You would have beaten me
to it, I would have said, I following Mark Schlaris
breakdown of the running back depth chart in Denver, I
would have said DeVante Booker because Steve said star, he
said Star running back the way he spoke glowingly about
Davontae Booker, I thought for sure it would have been him. Yeah,

(37:48):
not outside of the state. He's not bell and tweeted, Hey, hey,
I mean he's entitled to his own opinion. It was
just funny, he says to me, because he didn't hold
anything back, said exactly how he felt. Did that great
comments for Ben Roethlisberger called them decent. It says that
it's basically the receivers that end up making that team.
So that's a little interesting there from Levy on Valor

(38:08):
remains a holdout, making all those matchups much more interesting
for us this season. Story to guess who from the Okay,
guess who from the NFL doesn't understand how you pull
a hamstring as a rookie. A teammate was kidding, quote,
I don't know how you pull your hamstring as a rookie.
That's unreal. Who would say something like that, Well, somebody,

(38:29):
you've got to think about. Somebody who God, who would
let me think, do you have a position? Can you
give us a hint like a position? Somebody who missed
his first four games as a rookie because of pulling
a hamstring teammate. Okay, I will go with Colin Kaepernick. No, no,

(38:51):
wh wow, Well come on, what's what's the problem that
might go down as the worst guest today? Okay, sorry, jeezy,
he said. I mean I just was trying to picture
like a guy who has it's been a while since
he played. It's always thinking like Colin Kaepernick. Dan Um,
I am going to say, gosh, that's a lot of
good guesses, Leroy Horde. Oh yeah, Okay, now we have

(39:15):
a winner for It's Odell Beckham Julian Man kidding, referring
to his own history with a hamstring and story. Three guests. Who, okay,
guess who out of the rookie quarterbacks in the NFL
is expected to start? Expected to start Week one of
this regular season? Who out of this class? Oh? Out
of the rookie quarterbacks in the NFL. Um, I would say, gosh,

(39:40):
that took it, Dan, Dan, you you because I let
me think about this. This is really something it is not,
Leroy Horde. Okay, I mean, could you imagine if it
was though it's got it's gonna be Donald right, you know,
I'm gonna go, oh it is Damn. I was gonna
say Logan Woodside out of Tledo going New York Daily

(40:01):
News saying that he's earning first team reps. Of course,
he had a decent preseason debuty, not last week, and
quote barring deer in the headlights moments over the next
couple of weeks would be an upset if Sam Donald
is not the Week one starter. Manshe made a reporting.
The brain trust is happier with this kid with each
passing day, according to people familiar with the organization's giddiness level.

(40:24):
Anybody else think this is a horrible idea. I mean
not for us, because it'll be Monday Night football, but
you're going against the Lions. It's Matt Patricia's debut. He's
been playing against the Jets as a decordinator for the
Patriots for a long time. This just seems like a
terrible idea for the I will say this, Jonas, remember
a couple of months ago and we talked about Week

(40:44):
one picks that I may have already made. Jets plus seven, Okay,
all right, I love the Jets in this game. I'm
not worried at all about the lines. Hey, throw Sam
Donald in there. It's gonna be a j Ets Jets
Jets Jets season. That's interesting, Donald McCown, Richard Todd whoever?
Richard who? Who is Sam Donald throwing too? Is al

(41:07):
tune back? Ut? They actually have good receivers, they do.
I mean Terrelle Pryor was brought in Quincy and Nonwa
should be healthy, Robbie Anderson, Javon curse. They got a
lot of Jets. What game was that again? I don't
remember Jets Lions, Jets Lions. That's the old Monday night

(41:31):
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(41:53):
Three games and if it was a regular season, Jonas,
this would be an amazing schedule. Jets, Redskins, Steelers, Packers,
and a Super Bowl rematch between the Eagles and Patriots
where Tom Brady reportedly could play the entire first half
for New England tonight. Yeah. Now this is and I'm
looking at it now and I see two of at
least two of the teams are playing tonight, the Eagles

(42:16):
and the Steelers, the other being the Saints, but two
of the three teams that Tampa Bay will be playing
to start out their year with Ryan Fitzpatrick. So hello,
oh and three dirt cutter and let's get the moving
vans out immediately. The NFL schedule will roll on a
bunch of Saturday games this week. The Cleveland Browns are
gonna be taking on the Buffalo Bills, I believe on Friday.

(42:36):
Those those teams play in Cleveland, and the Browns in
the news again. And it's not just because Dez Bryant
is visiting with the team today as the free as
wide receiver looks for work. It's more news about what
do you know the quarterback situation in Cleveland surrounding Tyrod Taylor,
Baker Mayfield, and I guess you could say Drew Stanton

(42:58):
Jonas from the comments that Hugh Jackson made earlier at
training camp, I've said from the beginning, you know again,
I think experience is important. So right now Drew still
has that experience and we'll see how that all unfolds
as we go. I know what you're asking. I haven't
made that that choice just yet, but I think his
veteran presence says a lot. You know, he's playing a

(43:20):
lot of games. I guess a lot of teams were
gonna start off against and play again. So I think
that's important to definitely consider that from Hugh Jackson. So
Baker Mayfield may not be the starting quarterback and heck
may not be the second string quarterback to start the
NFL regular season. Now I can appreciate what Hugh Jackson
did there, a little little gift to the radio god
say that here's a segment for you guys toy around

(43:42):
with this Baker Mayfield not being uh not being second string.
It's really not that big of a deal. Um, And
it's not a big of a deal. And it actually
kind of makes sense when you think about it in
terms of responsibility of a backup quarterback to if he's
brought into a game. Now, if Baker Mayfield lays his
ass off the rest of the preseason, who knows, maybe

(44:03):
he beats out Tyrod Taylor for the job period. But
what he's saying is not that Drew Stanton is a
better quarterback than Baker Mayfield right now, because I still
think Baker Mayfield is the second best quarterback right now
on the roster. But in an emergency situation, do you
really want to usher in Baker Mayfield into into a
starting spot in the middle of a game or would

(44:26):
you rather turn it over to Drew Stanton. And it
makes all the sense in the world, Like I actually
get why Baker Mayfield is number three on the depth
chart right now. The fact of when you look at
how the Browns are approaching this season, and we're gonna
bring back some of what Mark slairat NFL on Fox
Analysts told us about what he thinks of the brown
situation and I completely agree with him. But when you

(44:48):
look at the situation, there's a short term aspect, Jonas,
and there's a long term aspect. And while Sting is
gonna deal with the short term when we hear from him,
the long term aspect is this as well. If Baker
Mayfield isn't ready, you know, as you say, there's there's
you don't want to put him in, and you if
you put him in, you can't turn back. That is

(45:08):
the thing. If if you were to be down twenty
eight points and Tyrod Taylor pulled a quad just a
minor injury, or tweaked an ankle. You're gonna need a
quarterback to finish that game. And guess what the defense
is in a in a prevent defense. Baker Mayfield takes
the team down, goes down and let's say scores a touchdown,
and all of a sudden, now you're heading into Week
two and you have a quarterback controversy. You can't turn

(45:28):
back from Baker Mayfield if he is your second string quarterback.
I think that there's going to be a time when
Baker Mayfield takes over the controls. But when that time comes,
he is not going to lose the reins of that team.
It is going to be his team. And by making
Drew Stanton the second string quarterback behind Tyrod Taylor, it
allows them that lead way in case Tyrod Taylor gets injured,

(45:51):
that they don't have to turn over the team to
Baker Mayfield kind of to the point of before he's ready.
But it also means that they can't go back to
Tyrod Taylor if Baker may feel had any sort of
success on the football field. UM, I know that that
is the thought, and you know that's something we've always heard,
is that if you turn over the starting job to
a rookie quarterback and they struggle, you can't go back.

(46:11):
You can't bench him and then put the veteran back in.
It would just it would hurt his confidence. But like,
just if we could talk about just that mentality for
a second, isn't that kind of alarming that if a
guy gets punished because he isn't playing well, that you
that hurts his confidence to the point to where you

(46:33):
scar the rest of his career, like like and and
so like, say Baker Mayfield goes in and he struggles
and he's punished because he didn't play well, and they
bench him. The idea that, well, no, you're not allowed
to bench him because that would hurt his confidence. You
can't once you, you know, give him the job, you
can't turn back. And I know, and it's not just

(46:55):
you thinking that. We've all known this as NFL fans,
We've heard this from coaches, organizations. But the idea of
that a guy would be so fragile that benching him
for poor play would would somehow hurt his confidence moving forward,
as opposed to guy plays the best, keeps his job.
I just I don't understand that mentality. I can see

(47:17):
why I think it's that way at pretty much every
position in the NFL except quarterback. It's the and it's
not saying that Baker Mayfield is. It's not saying that
he's fragile. It's just that you don't want to go
back and forth because you've got to find a leader
of the team, and the leader of the team, in
more times than not, is the quarterback. So you can't

(47:37):
toggle between the two once it's given to Once the
job is given to Baker Mayfield, not only is he
the starting quarterback, he's the leader of that team. And
I think that has an effect on the other guys
that if you're going back and forth between Tyrod Taylor
and Baker Mayfield, you don't know who the leader is.
And so that's in that position is so unique. So

(47:58):
I don't know if it's I don't think it's even
as is Baker being fragile. I think it's the the
weight of that position that causes you to do that,
To have that, because you're right at any other it
seems odd to think that somebody would be so fragile,
because if they're still fragile, why would they be in
that position anyway? How are they going to succeed. I
think it's the quarterback position that the reason that occurs

(48:19):
is because you need someone to be a leader. Because
I wonder what the message is to the rest of
the team to how many guys on that team, should
Baker Mayfield go in there and struggle a little bit
but still keep his job. How many guys on the
team if they struggle and lose their job, would not
point a Baker Mayfield and say, wait, so he can
play like crap and he still keeps his gig, but
I struggle a little bit, and you guys don't stand

(48:39):
by me. It's always been something I found interesting. And
it's not not to to pick on your point at all,
because your point is valid. That's the way the thought
process has been in the NFL for a long time.
I also wonder because and it all kind of comes
full circle because the Bills did that exact thing to
Nathan Peterman last year. They gave Nathan Peterman one half

(49:00):
of football at the Chargers one of the better defenses
in the league, and it was embarrassing. And I am
That's why I've been curious to see how Nathan Peterson
meet Peterman recovers from that because he played one half
through five interceptions and they could not bench him fast enough.
And then if you're Hugh Jackson, didn't he bench to

(49:21):
Shaun Kaiser at one point and then put him back
in the game at one point? There's Houston And that
was the game that you could argue that the Browns
passed on to Shaun Watson because they ended up making
the trade and allowed the Texans to get him. And
I felt at the time that you Jackson was like,
all Right, we don't want to Shaun against de Shaun
because there Sean is gonna be a lot better than hours.
But yeah, bench them for Kevin Hogan. It's it's always

(49:44):
been an interesting thought process when it comes to rookie
quarterbacks and now you handle them. Um, that is just
to your point, different than any other position on the field.
Because if you're a running back and you're averaging two
point to a clip and and the veterans playing better
than you, sorry, pal, you're not You're not getting on
the feet. Yeah, well, there's there's another point of that
when you talk about the the veterans and other guys performing. Realistically,

(50:05):
if you're the Cleveland Browns and I know that Baker
Mayfield and his future is the biggest issue for Cleveland
success or the biggest factor of Cleveland's success going forward.
But who do you get a real judge of amongst
the other players on that offense with your quarterback being
either Tyrod Taylor or Baker Mayfield. I think that you

(50:26):
can find out a lot more about David and Joeku.
You can find out a lot more about who your
running backs are when you actually have stability at quarterback.
If you put Baker Mayfield in there, maybe you don't
get a read on some of these other guys that
you want to know. Maybe you don't get a read
on Antonio Callaway, and if he's ready for that spot,
maybe maybe you do and and and maybe that's a

(50:46):
risk that you take. But I also wonder, Jonas, if
you're the Cleveland Browns and you're trying to analyze all
these new pieces that you have on offense, or pieces
that you want to see developed, maybe the best way
that those pieces develop is with Tyrod Taylor and not
worrying of Baker Mayfield's development. And and mixed in with
this whole dynamic is the fact that you've got a
head coach he's gotta win games. There is no like

(51:09):
it is year three. You have to win games. You've
got one win at a thirty two games. He's in
a bad spot. And that was the point that Mark Slaret,
the NFL on Fox analysts made for us earlier on
the show when he joined us talking Cleveland Browns and
Hugh Jackson. Let's face it, he wasn't the pick of
that general manager. So if you want to retain that job,
you're gonna have to win. The best chance to win

(51:31):
is playing a veteran quarterback in Tyrod Taylor who took
a Buffalo team to the playoffs. There's no question that
Cleveland Browns are four more talented team than they've been. Um,
you just look at their roster construction. So if I
don't play the veteran, We're not gonna win and I'm
gonna be out of a job after week three. So
I think at least six weeks before you make that
move as an organization. That was Mark Slareth on when

(51:54):
he would put Baker Mayfield into the starting lineup for
the Cleveland Browns and at least stick with Tyrod Taylor
early just for as you mentioned, Hugh Jackson's job security. Yeah,
I mean, look, what was Hugh Jackson's big issue last
year at quarterback with the Cleveland Browns turnovers. Deshaun Kaiser
couldn't stop turning the ball over. At least you get
at least that much from Tyrod Taylor. You know, it's

(52:14):
one less thing to worry about. It's like if you've
got a bunch of debts and you finally pay off
one of them, or you pay off one credit Card's like, Okay, look,
I'm not wealthy by any means, but at least I
have that not to worry about anymore. So at least
he knows with Tyrod Taylor, he's not going to turn
the ball over. That's the strength of Tyrod Taylor historically
is one of the best ever as far as a
touchdown to interception ratio and turning the ball over. And

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so it just becomes this weird sort of dynamic in
Cleveland where at some point, like you've got to see
what you got in Baker Mayfield, but your head coach
wants to keep his job, Like and and John Dorsey.
He's cool because he's got job security. He just got there,

(52:58):
and he's trying to build a win, and that wasn't
the coach to the hired. So that's why I just
I wonder how many of those players in that locker
room are sitting around looking at Hugh Jackson going yeah, no,
we hear you you, but uh yeah, we're gonna be
here next year, are you? Because I really it's it's
a it's a strange dynamic there in Cleveland, which is
why it's it's been fascinating to see inside the coaches room,

(53:22):
inside the locker room, what it's like there. You know,
whether it's Todd Haley or Hugh Jackson or whoever handing
down the controls to to some of these players on
Hard Knocks and we get to see how it plays
out every single Tuesday of what's going on at Brown's camp.
And maybe we'll see Dez Bryant in the next episode
is again he's visiting with the Browns Today. Dan Buyer
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Three NFL preseason games tonight. We are gonna get you
set for those in about twelve minutes or so. It's

(55:13):
something that you do not want to miss if you
missed Mark Slare, if the Slare at the NFL on
Fox analyst three times Super Bowl champ joined us earlier. Jonas,
this was an amazing conversation. We were just talking football,
but it branched out into so many different areas and
places that I wasn't sure that we were going, but

(55:34):
we went there, whether it be involving the Denver Broncos,
what it means with their quarterback situation, and a whole
lot of different places. A very very revealing conversation with
one stink. Yeah, No, it was fantastic. Um. He Look.
The reason why I like Mark Slaire is he's based
in Denver, um, but he's not one of these apologists
for the Denver Broncos, and he's gonna be honest about

(55:56):
how he evaluates the team. He's gonna call it as
he sees it, and if he sees a guy struggling,
if you follow him on Twitter, he's going to let
him know. And let's be honest about the Denver Broncos.
Since they've won the Super Bowl, a Super Bowl which
was won by their defense, and not much else as
far as offense goes, it's been kind of ho hum.
It's why I've always wondered what the real reason was

(56:19):
that Gary Kubiak walked away. I know, we know about
the health reasons and all that. I just wonder whether
or not Gary Kubiak saw the riding on the wall.
And so Mark Schlareth has been brutally honest about this roster,
about their struggles, about the quarterback position, and about why
they haven't been able to lore free agents. And that
was one of the topics that Yeah Stink talked about
when he joined us, specifically Jonas kirk Cousins, because this

(56:42):
was a conversation that Heck, I remember you and I
having a lot when we were looking at where kirk
Cousins was maybe going to go in free agency in
the month of February. It was such a huge topic
of conversation because it seemed like there were two spots.
And remember this was before the NFL Draft. We thought
that the Jets would be a possibility to go after Cousins,
and that the Denver Broncos would go after Cousins. The

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Jets because they had all the money in the world,
and we're looking for a quarterback. The Broncos because it
was John always track record. Heck, he brought in Peyton
Manning was able to go and bring in a veteran.
But then the first domino ended up falling when case
Keenum signed a deal with the Denver Broncos, and that
told us that the Broncos were obviously out of the
equation for Kirk Cousins. And apparently when we spoke with Stink,

(57:27):
we're never really in the conversation four Cousins or in
that equation. This from Mark Slayrath earlier. Trevor Simmons started
four teen games, played hurt, play tough, and he's represented
by the same Asian as Kirk Cousins, and he did
all these things and he comes in and then they
opened up the competition and they try to give it
to Paxton Lynch, who is the last guy in the

(57:48):
in the facility. The first guy out of the facility
doesn't study, they can't find him for meetings. I mean,
if you don't think that travels through the agent over
to kirk Cousins and says, hey, listen, we're not a
very talented team, or offensive line is not very good,
we can't run the ball. And oh, by the way,
this is how I got treated over there, Like I
think kirk Cousins just basically told told them thank you,
but no thank you. I'm moving to a different organization. Look, man,

(58:12):
agents talk, and and if you burn somebody, you're gonna
have an issue down the road. It's one of the
points that's been made with ro Kwan Smith. And now
the Bears handled his signing in Chicago is all right, yeah,
we finally got the deal done. But if you think
those agents aren't going to remember this negotiation with the
Chicago Bears moving forward, and if they represent another client

(58:33):
down the road, they're gonna tell him, hey, listen, man,
we know you like the city, but they are a
pain in the asked to deal with the negotiations or
the organization didn't handle this the right way, and it's
a bad look. And and that's a guy who's in Denver,
who's being brutally honest about how the organization handled that
situation and it wasn't a good one. I also think
it sheds light on what we think we know and

(58:54):
what really is happening in in the NFL, because it is,
as you said, it comes down to agents, and we thought,
I mean Broncos and Jets were the two teams, right,
That's what we thought most likely for Kirk Cousins, I
was going to break down that way. It also shows you,
as we've talked so much about hard knocks and what
goes on with the Cleveland Browns, when you see that
Hugh Jackson conversation that he had with Baker Mayfield about

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when do you show up, when do you go home?
When you get on the field, what is your routine?
All of that in that conversation that translates there because
he was saying, look, in Denver, they were giving Paxton
Lynch an opportunity because they felt they had to because
he was the first round pick. You didn't didn't put
in any of the work, didn't know the plays, didn't
know where he was first one to leave, the last one.

(59:38):
They're all of that mess that that it shows a
lot when you're looking at other teams that just maybe
how bad it was for the Denver Broncos in dealing
with Paxton Lynch and why he's had so much trouble
and why he's now being passed on the depth chart
today or this week by Mr Irrelevant Chad Kelly from
Ole Miss Yeah, Um, you mean Mr A K forty

(59:59):
seven himself Kelly roll roll a blunt up on video
or threatened to shoot up a bar with an A
K for then to be like, all right, we'd rather
go this rough. Um, here's and and the other part
about this as well too. So there's been criticism of
John Elway, and I've defended John Elway in this. People

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talk about um not being able to find the next
franchise quarterback. Well, you know, he's an all time great quarterback,
but he can't seem to find one. Okay, Uh, if
you're a great chef, but you but every chef that
you hire to work in your kitchen ends up being
a coke dealer? Is that your fault? Or is it
just that you can't recognize what you did so well

(01:00:41):
and try and find that in somebody else. Magic Johnson
talked about when he tried to coach the l A
Lakers that it was frustrating because what he saw and
what he was able to do as a player was
built within him and he learned it along the way,
but he wasn't able to pass that down to other players.
Michael Jorge hasn't been the greatest executive. Like sometimes just

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because you were great doesn't mean it will translate into
being a great teacher or coach or whatever. And so
for everybody that criticizes John Elway for not being able
to find a quarterback, well he's also found some gems
later in the draft defensively, whether be Derek Wolfe or
Travathan Um or drafting Von Miller or whatnot. He's done
a pretty good job acquiring talent via free agency and

(01:01:27):
he got them a Super Bowl. How different is the
conversation if they don't win that Super Bowl though, Because
if you don't have a Super Bowl and you had
Peyton Manning and with that offense, you couldn't put it
together and you had all that talent on defense, had
Carolina also won that Super Bowl, which if you just
look talent wise offensively, the way Peyton Manning was playing,

(01:01:48):
the way his body was falling apart. I just think that,
like winning that Super Bowl saved him from so much
more criticism than he's already getting now that the conversations completely. Also,
you bring up Magic Johnson, and there's been a debate,
and I know you and I have talked about it,
and I think we differ on on what Magic's role
was in bringing in Lebron. I think people look at

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John Elway and think that the Peyton Manning decision was easy,
that he doesn't that it was almost an easy no
brainer for Peyton that like to to to just be like, Okay,
he's not gonna get credit because of course Peyton Manning
is gonna want to go play for John Elway. Like,
I don't think that he gets Eddie credit for that
because we all think, well, yeah, I mean look at

(01:02:33):
the look at the places that Peyton was looking at.
The Dolphins, the Cardinals, the Titans. Denver was the most ready,
you know, made place. He doesn't get the I don't
think he gets the credit for that because people feel
that Peyton was going to go there anyway. Well, Peyton
Manning was very close to go into Tennessee. I mean
like that was like the Titans thought too, have had
a really good shot at him, like his what Elway

(01:02:55):
has done in free agency, Look, he added a lot
of talent and free agency defensively, Um, he's he's drafted
well on that side of the ball. But because you
identify him as a quarterback, you just assume that it's
going to be a home run there. It just it
doesn't work that way. It's not that easy. Like whatever
you are the best at in your life, just because
you're really good at it doesn't mean you're able to

(01:03:17):
teach people how you do it. Sometimes it's just your
god given ability or whatever you believe in that that
creates who you are as a player. It doesn't mean
you're going to be fantastic all the time. Like, um, look,
Don Mattingly was a great baseball player, didn't go too
well in l A. Um, they basically chased him out
of l A. Now he's with the Marlins. Uh And now, um,

(01:03:39):
you know guys are beaming players at their first first
pitch of the game. Like it just it doesn't always translate.
So to be fair, I don't think some of the
criticism of John Elway has been has been appropriate. But
had he not won that Super Bowl. How much different
is the conversation. Yeah, I do think it. I think
you're right. I think it is a bigger, bigger conversation

(01:04:01):
because you would also be like, oh, empty handed with
an offensive team, empty handed with a defensive team. Um,
Dan Buyer, Jonas Knox in for Doug Gottlieb here on
Fox Sports Radio. Um, you can get Dan on Twitter
at Dan Buyer on Fox. You can get me at
the Jonas Knocks. All right, coming up next, we have
a two time All Star who's going to tell you
the truth about a major topic in the world of sports.

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That is coming up next. But for all the latest,
it's Steve to Seger. A couple of daytime ballgames to
update you on. In New York, the Yankees are hosting
Tampa Bay. Now the Razor up three one in the
bottom of the ninth, but the Yankees have bases loaded
and one out. Rookie Glabar Torus of New York just
ended an over seventeen slump with a late single first
of a day night doubleheader. In Philadelphia, the Mets are
on the road and tied one one with the Phill's

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bottom of the second, a solo homer for each side.
Reese Hoskins is twenty four for Philly at home. The
Phillies this year are thirty nine and nineteen. The Braves
Tonight will be hosting Colorado. Ronald Acuna of Atlanta was
called day to day hit by pitch on the elbow.
He will start tonight leading off CT scan was normal.
Three NFL exhibitions tonight, including Pittsburgh at green Bay. Steelers

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quarterback Ben Roethlisberger is out of concussion protocol. L A
Chargers quarterback Philip Rivers will play Saturday night against Seattle,
but defensive end Joey Bosa is still out with a
foot injury. France Snedeker shot a first round fifty nine
at the p g A event in Greensboro. This is
a golfer who was bothered by a rib injury for
much of last year. This season, he's finished in the

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top ten just three times in twenty two events. Casey
Kane says this will be his last full time season
in NASCAR. He's thirty eight years old. Yesterday, Elliott Sadler
said he's also done as a full time driver after
this year. There's a Truck Series race on Fox TV
tonight from Bristol, eight thirty pm Eastern Time. Baseball update,
It's now two outs, bottom of the ninth Yankees with

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basses loaded but trailing three one against Tampa Bay Back.
Do you thank you very much, Steve. This is the
Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. He's Jonas Knocks,
I'm Dan Buyers. We are in for Doug Tomorrow nights
on Fox. It's the Big Three in Big d Yes,
the Big Three Playoffs will be getting going and you
will see it on Fox starting at eight o'clock Eastern time.

(01:06:07):
A bunch of matchups that will then settle what is
going to happen a week from Friday, and that is
the Championship match or the Championship Games taking place at
the Barclay Center in Brooklyn, New York. So the Big
Three Playoffs gonna talk with Baron Davis of Three's Company
coming up in just a moment. But the second year
of the Big Three and even getting more momentum than

(01:06:29):
the first year that they had. Jonah, something that just
keeps on getting bigger and bigger with better and better talent.
Yeah no, it's I mean the players and look if
you get guys that are going to use this as
an opportunity to to to keep playing. The worst case scenario,
you're just having fun. Best case, somebody in the NBA,
a scout or an executive, sees that you can still
play a little bit and he wants to bring you

(01:06:50):
in for a tryout. So I this is seems like
a win, win the league, the idea all the way around.
Baron Davis now joins us on the Doug Gottlieb Show
here on Fox Sports Radio. Baron, thanks so much for
the time, nks a lot man, thanks for having Is
there a different feel heading into this weekend because of
the playoffs coming up tomorrow? Uh? You know, I say,
I mean, it's a lot of a lot of hype.

(01:07:11):
I think guys have you know, a lot of anxiety.
Is just a good time to be playing, you know,
and what better place to play in Dallas? Uh? You know,
the Big Three has been you know, just collecting fans
and collecting people along the tour, so you know, this
is definitely Uh now we're playing for some real stakes,
so you know it should be fun. What's been the

(01:07:34):
most enjoyable part of the Big Three experience? But I
think the camaraderie, Man being around the guys and seeing
a different side. Um. You know, usually you're on the team,
so you just with teammates, and so the whole league
is really like a team, and you know, the ability
to just get out there and the fans to you know,
see you and appreciate you, you know, to show that

(01:07:55):
you can still you know, you can get out and
play the game at a high level. There. Guy is
getting just as mad in the locker rooms now as
they did when you played with him in the NBA.
You know our locker are we easily dancing and playing music?
Fair enough? Fair enough? Baron Davis joining us here on
Fox Sports Radio. Big Three playoffs coming up tomorrow night
on Fox Live from Dallas. I want to ask you, Baron,

(01:08:17):
first of all, about what we've seen in college basketball
and some changes that are going to take place. You
are a top guy going into to u c l A.
You obviously went onto a great NBA career. The new
rules in the n c double A are saying that
elite prospects should be able to or would be able
to have contact with agents, would be able to deal
with agents. Looking back on your career, was that something

(01:08:39):
that would have been a positive or a negative as
you were entering u c l A. I think it
could have been uh probably negative, you know, because I
mean it could have been positive. Who knows. I mean,
you know, for I think four high school kids right
coming out and going everybody needs some guidance and the jorship, right,

(01:09:04):
I think a lot of guys would have chosen different schools.
Right based on that, Um, you could have potentially seen
an earlier example of college super teams, right. Um. So,
you know, I think back in our days it was
just like you know, it was basically like a free

(01:09:24):
for all. There was a lot of you know, people
trying to help, but we're handicapped by the n A.
A lot of times the n c A rules handicapped
to frum dealing with the family member who was highly successful,
right for a family friend. Uh So I think, you know,
now the n c A has realized, like how many

(01:09:44):
lives that they runt, you know, by uh not being
able to be a little lay it towards the rules
or understand the rules because the rules have always been vague.
And so now I think that you know, as the
game of basketball involving you know, the n c a
A is pretty much the dinosaur, uh, in this evolution.

(01:10:05):
And so when you look at you know, all the
things that you know, all of their rules and their
baseline and their money structure in the way that their structure,
you know, they have to change and they have to
change immediately because they've been the ones that have been,
you know, the most profitable of the whole basketball you
know economic system. Right with anybody having real real results,

(01:10:30):
are any um returned to you know, the people who
have helped build this space for the n c A.
Baron Davis with us here on Fox Sports Radio, Dan Buyer,
Jonas Knox and for Doug gottlieb Um. Sometimes I'll think
about where I was at when I was seventeen eighteen
years old and I was working at Chuck E. Cheese.
I couldn't fathom playing in the NBA. It just it
would never seem possible or reasonable to me at that time.

(01:10:53):
You being seventeen eighteen years old, if you could go
back in time, how do you think you would fare
at the NBA level had you come straight out of
high school? So I've been fine, Uh, you know, I
think that I probably would have been a later pick.
Was looking like I could have potentially ended up in
San Antonio, you know, our a team like that. So
I would probably went to a veteran team where you know,

(01:11:15):
I could have learned from a lot of you know,
great smart veteran players, um, you know who. And that's
what you go to the league for it to learn.
You learn from the best. So you know, at seventeen,
I would have been completely fine. Right, it's um, you know,
I was willing to enable and I was listening. But
you know, you your seventeen working at check e cheese, right,

(01:11:36):
and I don't think about it that you're making one
a thousand dollars a month if I wish, right, yeah,
I say, making eight hundred dollars a month. You got
four roommates, you know what I mean. You're paying your
hundred dollars a month like you working, you learning, and
poor an NBA guy right, a rookie, he may make
a million dollars, but what the hell does he mean? Uh,

(01:11:56):
you know, a big house for so you know those
four p for in that two dollar apartment is now
the one NBA guy right a seventeen eight he was
his own apartment, you know. So it's just like the
way I looked at it for myself was you know,
I have my own apartment when I was in college,
and so now it's time to kind of own my
own apartment, as you know, a nineteen year old rookie.

(01:12:19):
And when I hear these stories about um young athletes
who get in trouble because they get a lot of
money and maybe they didn't come from money, I I
didn't come for money either. So if if all of
a sudden at eighteen years old or even twenty three
years old, and I've got a million plus dollars in
the bank, baron, I don't know what kind of trouble
I'd get in, But I guaranteed I get into some
kind of trouble because I wouldn't know how to handle it.

(01:12:40):
I never had money. What was the biggest adjustment for
you when you started getting paychecks? How much? Let me
ask you this question. How much trouble was you getting
in too when you were working at Chuck E Cheese
with the pens you were making I mean not a lot. Well,
but but but I but I could have but I
could have gotten into more had I had more money.

(01:13:00):
So to your point, when when you talk about players
coming in like like younger players. When people are critical
of younger players who maybe have an issue with the money,
or they go broke early on or whatnot. I've always
thought of And I came from a poor family, so
I know what it's like to come from that. And
if had I had all this access to all this

(01:13:20):
extra money all of a sudden, I wouldn't know how
to handle it. How did you handle it coming into
the n b A, having all of the fame and
the fortune that came with it, And was it a
struggle for you? I would say it was a struggle.
I mean, I only thank you. The only thing you
struggle with is really understanding what you need and what
you what you want to do to help people. For me,

(01:13:44):
I I just like taking my paychecks and deposit him
in the bank. Right. And when I had my first
financial advisor, I looked at the budgets that they had
me on and I was like, you know what, I
probably don't need about nine of this money, right because

(01:14:05):
my apartment in Charlotte was cheaper than my apartment in Westwood.
When in Westwood, I had two roommates, you know, just
for clarity, just for Clark. But my apartment in Westwood
was just as much as my apartment in Charlotte. And
so now even though I got all this money, why
shouldn't spend it? Happens go up when I only go

(01:14:27):
to the music store, the movies, you know, and I'm
not old enough to get in the club yet, and
I'll buy clothes. So it's really I just doubled, you know,
what I was living off of in college and put
the rest in the bank because those numbers that were
that were hitting the bank was looking way nice and

(01:14:48):
what I could be spending, right, So I taught myself
how to be frugal. You did save money at didd
rees though, that is that is the case, I mean
that's been invested in d d Re Barren Davis joining
us here on Fox Sports Radio. He's Jonas Knocks. I'm
Dan Buyer. Is going to be a part of the
Big Three Playoffs live on Fox tomorrow night at eight
o'clock Eastern Time as a part of Three's Company. UM

(01:15:10):
one more on this topic that we're talking about, what
was the worst purchase that you've seen a rookie in
your career? Make man worst purchased where everybody laughed or
clowned or just shook their heads scratched their head, and
he stand out in your NBA career. I always say
that the suits when they first bought a first suit,
when they first like outfit to go out, that's always

(01:15:32):
like a bad purchase because this is bad fashion because
they try to make it, tries to be flashy, or
they try to go over the top or and you're
probably not done growing. But you know what it is
because I got the same thing when I was a rookie.
You're younger than everybody, and so when you come with
the new fashion and the new look, the veteran guys

(01:15:55):
are like, yo, what's that? And you know it's it's
it becomes the job, you know, the joke of the debt,
like wearing shorts to oppressor. Um, last one, we got
to get your thoughts on this for let you go
Baron Darryl Moorey of the Houston Rockets using analytics. He's
a big into analytics, says uh Lebron James is the
greatest player of all time and it's and it's by

(01:16:16):
a pretty wide margin at this point. Um, your thoughts
on those comments. That's his opinion, what is your opinion?
That's my opinion is everybody the opinion. You know, I
love Lebron. I think he's right up there with all

(01:16:38):
the greats. But you know, I don't need to be
rebutting Darryl Morre because he has all the stats and
the data to back it up. The night is tomorrow
in Big D American Airline Center. It's the Big Three Playoffs.
Catch him on Fox eight o'clock Eastern time. He's an

(01:17:00):
umber of three company. Baron Davis, we appreciate it, and hey,
good luck this weekend. All right, thanks for a good day,
Baron Davis. When we're NBA All Star U c L
A guard and smart guy with his money. Yeah, good
for him, like Rob Gronkowski. Same thing we talked about
Gronk yesterday, Marshawn lynch Um. It's some of those stories
I don't think get talked about enough. People just talk

(01:17:21):
about the players struggle financially. Are the ones that are
really smart with their dollar should be discussed probably more? Well? Yeah,
and I will say this. I know like when I
was in college, I got financial aid and immediately upon
getting my check, I set aside the amount that I
needed for spring break. So that's yeah, that's what you
gotta do the second semester. You get it mid January.

(01:17:43):
You want to make sure that you're set from mid
March wherever you may go. Well look prostitutes back then, Dan,
where it is expensive. So I mean we've got a
oh my god, that we were a break. Sorry about that,
all right, Dan Buyer, Jonas knocks in for Doug gottliep
here on fs ARE. You can get Dan on Twitter
at Dan Buyer. On Fox you can get me at
DJ onus knocks. Coming up next, uh and NFL quarterback
has a response to the criticism of Jalen Ramsey and

(01:18:07):
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Rest in peace to the Great Aretha Franklin. Yesterday, Jalen
Ramsey made headlines everywhere for his article in g Q
critiquing a majority of the quarterbacks in the National Football League.

(01:18:51):
As for one Matt Ryan, well, he said, quote, I
think Matt Ryan's overrated. You can't tell me you win
the m v P two years ago and then last
year you're a complete bust and still have Julio Jones.
There's no way that should ever happen. You went on
Jonas to say that Kyle Shanahan may have been more
of the reason why Matt Ryan had great success and
not just the quarterback himself. So some interesting comments from

(01:19:13):
one Jalen Ramsey on Matt Ryan. Well, good for Kyle Shannon.
At least that's complimented him. Kyle Shanahan was able to
get the the bump up. Jalen Ramsey, you have to
be so negative all the time. Be good for Kyle Shannon. Now.
Jalen Ramsey was critical of Eli Manning, and Elim Manning
responded with who met Ryan got his chance to respond,

(01:19:34):
as we like to play a segment called and now.
It's where we take some interesting content from other Fox
Sports Radio or Fox Sports one and relay it back
to you. And today Matt Ryan on the Dan Patrick
Show here on Fox Sports Radio was able to respond
to the criticisms of his play by one. Jalen Ramsey

(01:19:56):
played for eleven years and so you know, I've heard
my fair share of trash talking from a lot of
different people. And if this stuff kept me up at night,
I probably wouldn't be doing what I'm doing, So I don't.
I don't pay too much mind to it. I'm about
winning games and I'm about being the absolute best player
to that activity. So uh that that's kind of my
thoughts on it. I mean, think about what Jalen Ramsey

(01:20:18):
has done. He has created content for like twenty five
different cities. I'm serious, because what else she talking about?
Training camp is over in a lot of spots. Nobody
gives a rip joint practices, preseason games, um, you know,
outside of Atlanta and Miami and and and a couple
of hits on National radio that the bean ball incident

(01:20:41):
between the Braves, Like I mean, Daryl Morey talking about
Lebron like he has provided content for different cities and
different organizations around the NFL. Every reporter is gonna ask
all the quarterbacks that were ripped by him about this conversation.
Well and in Matt Ryan and not to be in
his defense. When you look at Matt Ryan's track record

(01:21:04):
prior to the m v P season, there was a
lot of talk of saying how long should Matt Ryan
be the quarterback of the Atlanta Falcons and then he
ends up having that great year and you even brought
it up this week with some of the talent that
was around him in Atlanta when they had the two
headed monster of him and Roddy White and then you
brought in Tony Gonzalez. They were a game shy of

(01:21:25):
going to the Super Bowl where they lost to the
forty Niners in that Super Bowl forty seventh season. But yeah,
there was some questions and so when Jalen Ramsey says
that Matt Ryan is overrated, I think that we've probably
had Matt Ryan rated about where he should be. I'm
not sure how many people are still putting him in
the top, you know, the top elite echelon of the NFL,

(01:21:46):
because I'm not sure he was ever there aside from
that one season. I talked with somebody who was in
scouting and they said, when it comes to quarterbacks, nobody
turns on tape of Matt Ryan to see how it's done.
Nobody does like he is not He's not thought of
as a guy you turned to for the right formatics
on a throw and this, this is the the right

(01:22:07):
fundamentals for the quarterback position. They'll turn on Aaron Rodgers. Um,
they'll turn on Tom Brady like nobody turns on a
Matt Ryan game film to learn how to play quarterback.
They just don't do it. So it's not like Jalen
Ramsey's comments were just so off the wall. Um. I
I just I find it funny that this this story

(01:22:29):
has now turned into a situation in twenty five differences.
I just I think it's I think it's comical. Let's
back end that Matt Ryan will have his opportunity to
try to prove Jalen Ramsey wrong something that you see
said that could happen at least at some point, Dan,
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(01:22:49):
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(01:23:11):
something that you do not want to miss. Colin Kaepernick
missed his chance to get back in the National Football League.
It was a topic brought up today, Jonas. Just when
you thought that the we have moved on from Colin
Kaepernick playing in the National Football League, it was brought
up again at one specific NFL training camp. Here we

(01:23:31):
go again. Here we go again, little Colin Kaepernick conversation, Dano.
That's why we need something epic to happen in the
NFL preseason tonight, so this story doesn't carry on too long.
It was brought up today in the Mile High City
and this is where it was brewing again. And it
all started really earlier in the week. Chad Kelly, the

(01:23:51):
Broncos rookie quarterback, ends up being the Mr. Irrelevant. Essentially,
Chad Kelly was ends up being now promoted to second
team quarterback for the Denver Broncos, and John Elway also
said that the team may look outside the organization to
find a backup to case Keenum. So today at Broncos camp,

(01:24:14):
John Elway, team's general manager, was asked about the possibility
of one Colin Kaepernick. Colin had his chance to be here.
We offered him a contract. You didn't take it, you know.
And as I said at my deposition, and I don't
know if I'm legally able to say this, but yeah,

(01:24:34):
he's had his chance to be here. He passed it.
That was John Elway referring to when in sixteen the
Broncos tried to acquire Colin Kaepernick in a trade with
the San Francisco forty Niners that would have had Kaepernick
taking a pay cut, you would have had a restructured
deal of about seven million dollars for that next season.
He declined to be dealt and ended up I believe

(01:24:56):
it was it um eleven million dollars that was going
to your twelve million dollars that was on his contract.
Ended up turning down that deal that would have sent
him to Denver. John Elway still remembers that, Um, that
sounded like a guy who's very frustrated at the quarterback
situation going on in Denver and he doesn't want the
last thing he wants to hear about his Colin Kaepernick.
That that's just his tone. He seemed like he's very irritated.

(01:25:18):
He hears all the whispers people think, and he can't
figure out the quarterback spot there. And look what the
conversations between Colin Kaepernick, Uh, whether or not he turned
down an offer or whatnot. That's a whole another discussion altogether.
And some people may look at this and turn this
into a race thing if they want, and that's fine,
you could have that discussion. Here's what I do know.

(01:25:39):
Did anybody outside of Chad Kelly look good at quarterback
for the Broncos in that game? Because case he and
him look bad, and uh, Paxson Lynch looked atrocious and
Chad Kelly looked pretty good. If Elway lands on Mr
Irrelevant and he ends up being the starting quarterback in
Denver and he has a pretty decent career and this
is all just look at him. Is that a bigger

(01:26:01):
get than all the whiffs that he's had on the
other quarterbacks. I think it is. I think it is
like if that one actually hits, and Trevor Simeon, a
seventh round pick who actually started and played decent at times,
Like we're forgetting about all those We're just looking at
all the first round failures or the free agent failures,

(01:26:22):
or the case Kingdom signing that may have not worked
out after one game. I just like it's it's fascinating
because it's Elway, but it seems like he's irritated and
frustrated with this, and and and and I wilso listen.
I want to correct myself. Jed Kelly's second year quarterback
now a rookie quarterback draf injured all of last year.
Was some a wrist injury? Yeah, yeah, holding an. I

(01:26:43):
remember his time at Old Miss and things just you know,
say Paterson obviously was there last year at the point
being second year quarterback. What about the time when he
ran on to a high school football field because he
thought the other team was trying to fight his brother Kelly.
I love the guy. I think he's wonderful. Well he
may end who knows, depending on things going, Denver could
end up being their studying quarterback and as he said, Hey,

(01:27:04):
how crazy would it be if all of us and
he ends up being their quarterback of the future. But
the Elway comment is intriguing for this is because jonas
I look at things like this with the Colin Kaepernick
situation of of just tryouts, That's what I've always felt
is that did Colin kaepernick stance keep him out of
the NFL and where teams are afraid of it? Yes,

(01:27:26):
that's a that's not the argument here because I just
he never even got a tryout at least John Elway,
and at least in Seattle, and I guess and at
least in Baltimore they would have a response to Colin Kaepernick,
and John Elway's response was whether you like it or not,
they did try to bring Colin Kaepernick in and even

(01:27:49):
though Colin Kaepernick didn't make there, wouldn't have made more money,
would have taken a pay cut. At least the Denver
Broncos were willing to try to acquire the player for
seven million dollars this season, which isn't I don't think
it's a low ball offer. I think it's what they
felt that they wanted to pay a quarterback at a
quarterback that played at the caliber of Colin Kaepernick. The
other twenty nine teams in the National Football League don't

(01:28:13):
have the ability to give the answer that John Elway gave.
What do you think he's he's got his way to
work around it, or whether you think that he is
uh that he isn't true to his feelings and isn't
giving him a chance. He gave him an opportunity to
come to that team and Colin Kaepernick said no, Just
like when he went up to the Seahawks and he
heard Pete Carroll say, well, he's a starter. I always

(01:28:34):
felt Pete Carroll meant that Colin Colin Kaepernick wanted starter
money at that time. And at least John Elway and
the Denver Broncos tried to bring him in and he
at least has an answer. I don't think twenty nine
teams in the NFL do. And you know, if Colin
Kaepernick thinks he's good enough to be a starter, look,
I I defended Carmelo Anthony. When people ripped Carmelo Anthony
and said, oh, he doesn't want to come off the bench,

(01:28:55):
he only wants to be a starter. I get it.
I mean, if you you know, if if we were
not just weekend host, if we were doing a show
during the week, and all of a sudden they said, yes, sorry,
you're gonna get one day a week, or you're you're
gonna be moved to just a filling guy whenever we
need you and you and I felt like, no, no,
we're good enough to do this job. I could understand

(01:29:17):
why some of these guys would want to be a starter.
So I defended Carmelo Anthony when he made those comments.
I didn't think it was being so much selfish as
a guy who still wants to compete to be a starter.
And if Kaepernick's the same way, credit to him. If
he thinks he's good enough to be a starting quarterback
in the NFL, that's fine. I felt like the situation
with the Seahawks was bad timing because if you remember

(01:29:37):
when Colin Kaepernick showed up to visit Seattle, it was
after the seth Wickersham piece came out right after, and
it was talking about how players there didn't maybe get
along all that well with Russell Wilson, and I thought
it would have been a bad look for the organization.
Pete Carroll was already trying to rain everybody in because
it had gotten so out of control. And I thought

(01:29:59):
it was bad time me because if that, if, if
that article comes out and you've got players talking about
how unhappy they are with the coaching staff and the
play calling, and players feeling like the coaching staff is
siding with Russell Wilson, and then the coaching staff goes
out and signs Colin Kaepernick, that would have created a
whole another conversation in the room because maybe some players
might have wanted Kaepernick to be the starter. Uh it

(01:30:21):
would so to me that was also bad timing because
Kaepernick showed up right afterwards when that article came out.
I said, there's no shoddy signs in Seattle now, not
even not a chance. And now well there's And you
hear John Ewaite talk to reporters about the deposition as
he's part of that lawsuit. What would be interesting for
John Elway to answer, though, is the Denver Broncos have

(01:30:44):
in the past signed a quarterback that turned their back
on them, and that would be Brock Osweiler in just
recent history of you thought that bridge was burned when
Ossweiler ended up going to the Houston Texans, So that
maybe something that John Elway would have to answer to
in the future, but he at least has an answer

(01:31:05):
to respond, where I don't think that the other twenty
nine teams in the NFL that didn't reach out to
at least try to bring him in for a training
camp workout, they can't answer it. But John Elway would
have to say, Okay, well, if if you're saying Colin
Kaepernick had his opportunity to be here to take less money,
which I don't think anybody else would do either, but
at least he had an answer for it of trying

(01:31:25):
to bring him in. Now you just have to follow
up with John Elway and say, okay, well, what's the
difference of Brock Oswiler then coming back to Denver Because
didn't he have an opportunity to also be back with
the team but chose to leave and go somewhere else.
That's something that John Elway would have to have to
answer to. Yeah, and and Elway, I mean, look if
he with if case Keenum looks really bad, um, Paxton

(01:31:49):
Lynch has already looked awful, Um, and now the Kaepernick
stuff comes up. This is going to turn into a big,
big conversation. This is gonna be a big topic of discussion.
What if it is? I mean, because I think he
even caught himself there. If we play that audio again
of John Elway, I think he even catches himself where
he talks about you know, I don't know if I
can even legally talk about this. I think he sounds

(01:32:11):
like a frustrated guy who just popped off at the
mouth without really thinking and then realize, whatever, I'm already
this far down the road. Let's just go with it.
Colin had his chance to be here. We offered him
a contract. You didn't take it, you know. And as
I said at my deposition, and I don't know if
I'm legally able to say this, but you yeah, he's

(01:32:33):
had his chance to be here. He passed it. Yeah.
It's like he realized, like, oh, I'm already halfway out
the store and I forgot to pay keep going on
to the car, nobody saw that there's a candy bar
and like it. Yeah, I I think this is going
to turn into a two initie. But the outrage afterwards
is what I'm waiting. When do you think the Caepernick

(01:32:55):
questions stop about him? Getting a job in the NFL
because now he's hopefully see, you know, old out of
the NFL. Hopefully soon I can hope. Geez, I just
wanna can we talk? I just preseason? I mean, look,
we've got preseason football here. Everybody. Football is back. We

(01:33:16):
don't need to fill time anymore. Like this is a
gift from God. The NFL preseason is back, everybody. What
would you rather? Let me ask you this. I'm gonna
I'm gonna throw three topics at you. See which one
you'd rather discuss? Right? We can? Right? Would you rather
discuss Colin Kaepernick and when he gets an opportunity in

(01:33:38):
the NFL again? Would you rather discuss what the griffeeding
of Lebron James's mural really meant? Or would you rather
discuss Tiger Woods and what his legacy truly is and
whether or not he played against wheat competition You're discussed jeez? Well,

(01:34:00):
you know, and golf. So I'm always a golf guy,
and and I know we have you know, I think
we have different thoughts on Kaepernick. I don't care about murals.
I guess golf would probably be my answer. I just
nothing's changed with my opinion of Kaepernick like of not
of Like I didn't think he was good enough when
when he played, but I also think that he was

(01:34:23):
good enough, like good enough to be a starter. I
should clarify. I think he was definitely good enough to
be brought into a training camp. I think that if
he really wanted to play, he'd be playing. That's what
I think. Somehow, some way, And to be quite honest,
there's nothing that has happened from then until now that
a thing would have changed either one of our mounts.
Like when, um, who was it they got a third

(01:34:43):
string gig, Like somebody got a third string job with
the charge. It might have been like Billy Joe Tolliver
somebody like that. And somebody's sent out a quote retweet
of this guy can get a job, but Kaepernick can't. Yeah,
I'm sure Kaepernick's really really wants to be a third
string quarterback for the Chargers for four nine dollars. I mean,
come on, man, like like be be realistic about the situation.

(01:35:07):
Didn't want to take a pay cut in Denver. Yeah,
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right now talking baseball with our good friend from the

(01:36:32):
MLB Network and check out the Morning Lineup podcast and
MLB dot Com correspondent covering baseball, Richard Justice, joins us
here on Fox Sports Radio. Hey Richard, thanks so much
of the time. Yeah, thank you for having me. That's
uh start out with Ronald Lacuna. When you saw the
beating last night, your first impressions or initial reaction on
what you saw between the Marlins and Braves. I was

(01:36:54):
in rage, and me's no no question that it was intentional.
And my second thought was, okay, oldest kid to do this.
I knew it wasn't Don Mattingly. He was just a
young guy hyped up and he did something that could
have had a terrible outcome. I think Kuna is in
the lineup tonight, so you look at what I felt
so terrible about is the Braves has been maybe the

(01:37:15):
best story in baseball this year. And this guy, how
often does a guy that gets super hyped, how often
is he as good as we as advertising? Then some
that's what this kid has been homed in his second
game and he has just you know, he was he
took off in spring training and twenty years old, and
you think he can't be this good. He's that good.
And there are two young guys, two of the three

(01:37:37):
youngest players in baseball. They're second baseman Azzi Albis of
what had made the race, part of what had made
the bravest is a great story this year. So yeah,
I didn't like it, and I would I would imagine
that Don Mattingly and the Marlins are going to punish
the kid. Uh, And I know they're going to be
playing each other again coming up actually next week, if
my math is correct here. So if if that's the case,

(01:37:59):
and and and say they meet up again, do you
expect any sort of retribution or is this just a
one off scenario and it's one player basically against an
entire team. Yeah, I think that's exactly it. I think
it was one player against fifty and it's just like
we're getting away from that. You know. I covered the
Orioles in the eighties and nineties, and their philosophy was,

(01:38:22):
why don't we just get the next hit around? You know,
let's just let's just do our job. And I think
more and more that's the way teams are approaching if
there's not a lot of that stuff. He used to
see when Tony Lewis and Dusty Baker would play Cardinals
Cardinals Cubs games, when it looked like the ato take
it out on the street and let the player, let
the managers fight, and the players play. Richard Justice joining

(01:38:43):
us here on Fox Sports Radio. He's Jonas Knocks. I'm
Dan Buyer in for Doug Gottlieb on The Doug Gottlieb Show.
There was a lot that bothered me about it, Richard,
one of which was, the Braves are in the thick
of it. They're leading the division. This is one of
their young guys in the Marlins weren't out of it.
Is that something in the what we were talking about,
the unwritten rules of baseball or things that come up.

(01:39:05):
That was one of the things that that bothers me.
Is that rare for for for you to see something
like this with a with a team that has a
lot on the line, losing it because one team was
not even in It was reckless. I know. I think
you're just overthinking it. It was young, one young guy
that thought he was going to make a statement for
his team on a guy that had torched against the
guy that had tortured them. His manager didn't like it,

(01:39:27):
you know, his teammates didn't like it, and the Braves
obviously went bananas about it, as they should have. I
think the only upshot is that that Akuna wasn't hurt worse.
I mean, it looked like it was gonna be bad,
So yeah, I don't I think it was one guy
doing something, and I don't think he paid was paying
any attention to the standings or anything else. He just

(01:39:48):
didn't want the guy to hit a home run off him.
Richard Justice with us here on Fox Sports Radio, Dan
Byer Jonas knocks in for Doug gottlieb Um. Is there
any team in the National League who you give a
realistic shot in the World Series against what looks to
be most likely to Boston Red Sox Yo? You mean,
which team has the best chance? You know, I I

(01:40:10):
think it I think the way the Philippias pitching has
held up, and the way their bullpen is held up,
and the postseason is a bullpen game, I think they're
in the mix. I think Arizona's in the mix. Um.
I don't see the Dodgers doing it unless they get
Kenley Jansen back. You know, it's fine. All those other
arms behind him, Scott Asander Values and all those guys

(01:40:31):
are are really good. But there's a difference in pitching
the seventh inning and pitching the ninth, and you've got
to have a particular mentality to pitch to the ninth.
Think Kenny Jansen was the best in baseball. I still
like the Cubs. I think they've got a shot, you
know it. Jim Leland always said, don't tell me who's
the best scene in the regular season, tell me who
gets to the postseason. And they're healthy, their pictures aren't exhausted,

(01:40:54):
and they've got a good vibe about them, so you know,
I mean, Houston won the World Series last year, but
look how they did it. They had. If Alex Bregman
does at home of Chris Sailing game for the Division Series,
they're headed back to Houston for a Game five. The
Astros had to win two elimination games at home against
the Yankees to go to the World Series, and then
you know, the World Series went seven games, and Games
two and five were as crazy as I'll ever see.

(01:41:14):
It's it's like a thousand little pieces of confetti up
to fall into play. Richard Justice joining us here on
Fox Sports Radio. You can see him on the MLB Network.
Read him I'm mlbat. Read him on MLB dot com,
and also check out the Morning Lineup podcast. Is Mike
Matheny's firing the reason for this Cardinals resurgence? Um, yeah,
you don't discount it, you know you it clearly changed

(01:41:36):
the environment. I'm not you know, Matt Carpenter was asked
that question the other day, and what Matt said was, look,
we're winning now, and so there were it's gonna look
like we're having more fun. It's gonna look like the
environment is lighter and there's more energy and all that. Basically,
John lose like turned over his team. He turned the
pitching staff over. I think half the pitching staff is

(01:41:56):
twenty five or younger. Young guys like Harrison Bader are
playing every day. And Matt Carpenter got insanely hot, But
I do think the environment is part of it. Sometimes
you just have to change the voice, and it's never
just one thing, but it's It showed you that the
Cardinals believe in their team and they were going to
keep changing the mix, so they tried to get it right.

(01:42:18):
Richard Justice of MLB dot Com with us here on
the Fox Sports Radio Dan Buyer Jonas knocks in for
Doug Gottlieb. Is there a team that's in the hunt
for a playoff spot that you just don't buy? You
think it's a little smoke in mirrors at this point,
and if they get to the postseason, you don't take
them as a serious threat. Uh No. I mean, like

(01:42:40):
we talked earlier about about the Dodgers of that Kenney Jansen,
they can't win a championship, But no, I think all
the teams that have a chance to go, you know,
especially in the American League. I know you guys agree
with that because Cleveland is hurt without Trevor Bauer, but
they have a big time bullpen and they have a
couple of guys at the front of the rotation that

(01:43:01):
are capable of winning. You know, until the Yankees get
their pitching straightened out. They're not going to win a championship.
And I don't know how you do that. You know,
out of you know, Severino has suddenly looked human and
say Sabbathia knaka pitch well today, Sabathia has hurt all
of that. I mean, it's kind of a worst case
scenario for those guys. Richard Justice here on Fox Sports Radio,

(01:43:22):
he's Jonas knocks. I'm Dan buyer. What about the Mariners?
Another only two and a half out, but now you've
got injuries to the pitching staff as well. I mean,
is this it's just two and a half games, but
it seems a lot bigger in that a LS at
least for the second wild card behind Oakland. Well, Oakland
looks like the best team in baseball, right yeah, I
mean they look they can they can play with the
Red Sox right now. Um um. And you said, well,

(01:43:45):
I'm not buying the pitching. I'm not buying the pitching either.
But Brett Anderson pitched as good a game as you
will see this year, uh, yesterday against Seattle. And then
look what they're getting out of Trevor k Hill and
Chris Bassett and Edwin Jackson. Now they added Mike fires.
I don't quite It's not what we expected, but that's
part of the fun of it. And Houston finally is
going to be whole again, almost whole. They have. You know,

(01:44:06):
they had their three pillars, Springer, grand Al two, they
all out. Two of them are back. We'll be back
tomorrow when they play at Oakland now too, they maybe
a few days away. I think he's going to be
back at some point soon. Yeah, um, but you know Oakland,
I mean, Seattle now has Cano back, and they need
to They just have to hold their breath that that

(01:44:26):
Paxton is not gone for for for a long time
and that King Felix can replace him. It would be
a crime that the Mariners break the seventeen year drought
and King Felix, who has been so great for the franchise,
the city and just one of the great people that
ever put on the uniform, that he can't play a
more prominent role than he has so far being used.

(01:44:46):
Somebody who's covered baseball for so long, and you talk
to so many people who are in the sport, and
and I watched these teams and know the minor league systems,
and now they developed did anybody see this happening with
Oakland this year? And if so, when did it start?
When was the building When did the building block start
for this this organization in the second half of last
year when they put the two mats at the corner

(01:45:07):
mfield spot. I mean it changed match happmen and metals
and it changed everything. Matt Chapman, He's going to get
votes for American League MVP. He's the best defensive player
in the game. He's an impact player. Those two guys
just it was all of a sudden. You could see it.
Bob Melvin would tell you, I, I, you know, we
all had a different spring in our step and Chris,
you know, we knew Piscotty getting him that was a

(01:45:28):
good addition. I think we knew they would score enough runs.
I don't think anybody saw Blake trying and the Lou
Trevino becoming these dominant guys in the eighth and ninth inning.
But the biggest thing, and the thing that no one's
will come in was how good that rotation has been
among you know, guys that you would not expect. Brett
Anderson has started opening to day for the for the
A's in the past he's been around and around, he's

(01:45:50):
been hurt a lot. I think he was just a
matter of him staying healthy. But the other guys, you
just know you didn't see it coming. I mean I
think that with the no No earlier this year, I thought, oh,
that'll be the age headline the season. Far from it.
Richard Justice again, see him on MLB Network, check out
the Morning Line of podcast, rid him on MLB dot
com and find him on Twitter or simple enough at
Richard Justice. We appreciate it, Richard, Enjoe the rest of

(01:46:12):
your Thursday. Thank you for having me. Dan Buyer Jonas
knocks in for Doug Gottlieb here on Fox Sports Radio.
Get Dan on Twitter at Dan Buyer on Fox. You
can give me at the Jonas Knocks coming up next.
This is I don't know this has ever been done
in the history of sports stock radio, Dan, or at
least not on this show. All right, so we have
a first in sports radio history. If you want to

(01:46:32):
be a part of it, don't go anywhere it is
NFL related. As we get you set for a huge,
huge calendar and a huge slate of games coming up
later on, believe it or not. That is next year
on fs are for all the latest from around the
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(01:46:53):
And if that doesn't work the first time, the second
time you have to tell them, you tell them to
shut their damn mouse. The latest. We have plenty of
baseball to get doing, including this hour's breaking news that
the Dodgers Yasiel Puig has been suspended two games. He
says he will appeal. According to The l A Times,
the problem the fight with Giants catcher Nick Hundley this week.
Hunley was only fined. Tampa Bay beat the Yankees in

(01:47:15):
New York three to one. Today, All star pitcher Blake's
now now fourteen and five for the raise. The Yankees
had bases loaded with no outs bottom of the ninth,
thing could not score. The Mets in the first of
a doubleheader, are winning seven four at Philadelphia top of
the fifth, even though the Phillies have hit four solo
home runs here the Mets Brandon Nemo, who went five
for five last night, left the game with a finger injury.

(01:47:36):
Matt Carpenter of St. Louis will start the home game
against Washington tonight he'd been hit by pitch on the hand.
The Cards have one eight in a row. The Braves
have won five straight. They're hosting Colorado tonight. Atlanta his
first place in the n L East, two games over
Philadelphia right now, and Ronald Lacuna is called day today,
but we'll start tonight. He's leading off after being hit
by a pitch on the elbow last night. His CT

(01:47:57):
scan was normal. Texas will be hosting the Tools. The
Rangers activated outfielder Nomar Mazzara. Three NFL exhibitions tonight, including
Pittsburgh at green Bay. Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger is out
of concussion protocol and should play next week. According to
the Post Gazette, l A Chargers quarterback Philip Rivers will
play Saturday night against Seattle, but defensive end Joey Bosa

(01:48:18):
is still out with a foot injury. Brand Snedeker shot
a first round fifty nine at the p g A
event in Greensboro. He's currently up four strokes over American
Ryan Moore and Casey Kane says this will be his
last full time season in NASCAR. Back to you, Thank
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(01:48:39):
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car buying experience. NFL not a triple header because it's
not back to back, Jonas, But we've got three games
in the National Football League tonight, starting Week two of
the NFL preseason. How about that? And let's get you
set for Eagles, Patriots, Packers, Steelers and Jets Redskins with

(01:49:01):
the only way that we know how. Of course, I
host a fantasy football show with Mike harmon Sunday mornings
during the National Football League regular season where we get
you set weekend and week out from the fantasy perspective.
So I tonight will give you a fantasy perspective from
the three preseason games. What have you got on tap? Jonas? Oh,

(01:49:22):
I've got myself. The profet monster has returned, everybody, Yeah,
the profet Monster has returned. Pro Bets that you must
pay attention to if you can watch the game or
you can check a box score afterwards. I make up
my own prop bets and we see how you do. Well.
I'm interested to see what you've gotten. Store. Let's start
with the first game, seven thirty Eastern time. It's a

(01:49:43):
Super Bowl fifty two rematch. The Eagles take on the
New England Patriots in Foxboro at Gillette Stadium. Dan, here's
the profet who will finish with more passing yards? All right,
you have one of five options you can choose. All right?
Will it be Tom Brady, Nick Foles, O Brian Hoyer,

(01:50:08):
Nate Sudfeld or the Eagles fan who ate horsecrap off
the streets. Oh boy, let's see. I mean it's a
tough one. Yeah, that's that's a you know, a Philly
steak sandwich that I want a Philly horse apple. That
is a gosh, that's a quite a prop bat. I'll
answer that with the must play of the fantasy night

(01:50:31):
in quarterbacks. Tom Brady is going to play maybe the
entire first half tonight. Well, if you're a degenerate fantasy
football player, don't start him tonight. No. Start Nate Sudfeld
off of a forty yard performance worry through not one
but two touchdowns in that opener against the Pittsburgh Steelers.

(01:50:54):
Nate Sudfeld is your starter tonight in fantasy football NFL preseason.
So I like Sudfeld with the most passing yards, you
gotta get him in your lineup. Yes, the Jets and
Redskins will play Monday Night Football crew on ESPN making
their debut. I know that they're the competitor, but we

(01:51:15):
want to see how much of a train wreck or
not it would be with the new crew. I'm sure
they're gonna do a great job. But the Jets and
Redskins have been fighting all week long. We know about
the injury to Darius Guys with the Washington Redskins, your
must start in fantasy NFL preseason at running back. One
could pre Bibbs Washington Redskins. Yeah, let's put on those

(01:51:38):
Bibbs and enjoy some preseason football. After forty eight yard
nights in the opener, Bibbs gonna have a big night
tonight for the Washington Redskins. It's gonna get in the
end zone. And Jonas had a couple of targets in
Week one. Expect some receiving yards as well. All right, Dan,
who's gonna look more nervous in this game? This is

(01:51:59):
your prop? Here at eight Eastern time kickoff on ESPN.
Jets at Redskins. Who looks more nervous? Okay, Terrell Prior
Sam Donald or Jason Witten. Who's gonna look the most nervous?
Between those three, You've got one guy who flinched at

(01:52:19):
a DJ Swearinger left hand attempt earlier this week. You
got another guy who's gonna be making just his second
NFL in game action. He's gonna get his second a
piece of action for the New York Jets. And then
you've got Jason Witten making his broadcasting debut. Who looks
I'm gonna say Jason Witten. But it's not going to
be deer in the headlights. I've never really understood that term,

(01:52:42):
because when I've driven in the country, deer have only
darted right in front of me, like they haven't frozen.
So I think it's gonna be Jason Witten. I think
you may hear a little, you know, a little opening
night nerves later on. And the toughest part about it is,
what the heck do you say in the entire second
half when you don't know any of the players and
nobody really cares about what's happening. Through. Yeah, that's a

(01:53:03):
difficult spot to put him in. Yeah, I would save it.
I would save it up for the regular season when
he actually knows some of these guys. But by the way,
when you have a Super Bowl rematch where Tom Brady
is playing and you have Steelers Packers, how do you say,
you know what we're gonna air Jets Redskins. I guess
the worst game of the three tonight that you would
at least if you're gonna watch the ones of the
first series, wouldn't it be from one of these other

(01:53:24):
two games? All right, guys, let's go ahead and uh welcome.
We're gonna go over the just decision making here, guys,
we have first pick here. Uh so, here are options.
We can either go uh Nick Foles versus Tom Brady
Super Bowl rematch. We could go Ben Roethlisberger versus Aaron
Rodgers another Super Bowl rematch, or or we can go

(01:53:46):
uh Josh McCown and Alex smian anybody in on on
red to Yeah, let's go option three there, g M,
I you got it, sir, unbelievable man. Yeah, yeah, crazy Steelers,
Steelers and Packers are playing in Aaron Rodgers is gonna
lay at night. But yeah, I I don't know. I
don't know. That's when somebody takes Barry Sanders in your
fantasy draft, will be retired. That's what you get. Wait,

(01:54:08):
did somebody do that in here? They held him over
and we had a deadline and two days later he
retired and we did not give him any leading. Yeah,
it was a holdover situation we did at July one
and he retired like July three. Brutal. All right, dan
So Steelers Packers, this is the other one fantasy advice

(01:54:32):
for Steelers Packers. Yeah. Sure, you know you're gonna see
a lot of targets. Aaron Rodgers expected to play tonight.
We know how great the Packers quarterback is and he's
got a lot of different weapons to throw too, but
he won't be throwing to one Marquees Valdez Scantling tonight. No,
that will be left up to Deshan Kaiser and Brett Huntley.
Look for Marquis Marcus Valdez Scantling to go back to

(01:54:57):
back one yard receiving nights. Following up his five catch,
one and six yard touchdown effort against the Titans. He
does it against tonight against the Steelers. A little story
about Marquez Valdez Scantling. The only reason I know who
the hell that guy is is because I did my
bottom ten mock draft. So I picked the last ten
picks of the draft. Everybody does the first ten. I

(01:55:19):
did the last ten. Marquez Valdez Scantling was in my
bottom ten mock draft. This is how good I am
at that bottom ten mock draft. One of the players
I picked got taken in the first round, and Marcus
Valdes Scantling got taken three rounds earlier. Got taken in
the first. It was Um Edmonds. I have no idea why.

(01:55:41):
I thought he was gonna last all the way to
the seventh, but apparently because of my projections, they caught
whim of where he was going to go and they decided,
we don't want to pass on this guy. Let's take
him six rounds early. Marquez Valdez Scantling your must play
tonight at wide receiver in pre season fantasy South Florida
right or Central Florida, Florida. After a stop at NC

(01:56:02):
States scouting one on one, baby, All right, Dan, here's
my prop bet for the Steelers and the Packers. When
will Aaron Rodgers be shown on the sidelines with his
shoulder pads off over under halftime. Ah, that would be gosh,
I don't know it is over in the second half,
so I would say over because I think you'll still

(01:56:23):
have them out in the second quarter. But he does
seem like one of those guys who who is not
really into shoulder pads. So the earliest he can take
those off you want, tom all, Yeah, it'd be a halftime.
You'd be like, hey, I'm in halftime. I'm not gonna
go out there. Give me the ball pack. I'm a
ball cap. I'm good. All right. They were good. All right,
there you are. You're set for tonight's preseason action. And
I'll tell you what, that was better than the John

(01:56:44):
Ramo Show. Absolutely better ratings. That just getting John just kidding. Oh,
by the way, I think he's gotta pick up Lucas
and Sarah in about twenty minutes. John's not listening. That's
how you throw out a heat check. John's not listening.
He's probably drinking again, That's all John does. His drink
every day day he's been on the show. He's been
hammered the last six months. That's a heat check. You
just see that actually would explain yesterday. That actually would

(01:57:06):
have explained what happened yesterday. Um. By the way, if
you are expecting us to do what we just did
fantasy picks and prop bets for the games over the weekend, uh,
tough balls. I don't know be happening all right. Coming
up next year on FS are Dan Buyer, Jonas Knox
in for Doug Gottlieb. But we have some stories from
around the world of sports we've got to get to.
There is one man who is capable of that. That's

(01:57:29):
next year on Fox Sports Radio. Be sure to catch
live editions of The Doug got Leave Show weekdays at
noon Eastern three pm Pacific. This is the Doug gott
Leave Show on Fox Sports Radio. I'm Dan Buyer, That's
Jonas Knox. Thanks to Richard Justice, Baron Davis and Mark
Slareth for hanging out with us today here as we
are in for Doug, who is in for Colin Coward

(01:57:49):
on the Herd of Big Thanks to Ryan Music and
Ryan Smith taking care of things. John Romins will be
back tomorrow as well. One Steve the Sagger's he gets
us caught up to what's happening in the day in sports,
it's time for the press. Hello Steve, Hey, and a
good afternoon to you once again. Let's see yeah you're

(01:58:12):
too free. Hent wide receiver Dez Bryant is in Cleveland
for a visit with his future team, maybe the Cleveland Browns.
He stopped by the team radio station as well, sounded
optimistics that we're just trying to work things out. Of course,
we mentioned earlier in the show there is that Twitter
picture of him signing a Cleveland Brown's helmet at the airport,
So I don't know if that's an indication maybe good

(01:58:32):
things to come. He's been released by the Cowboys in April.
The call letters to the Bronze radio station is w
L L L Come on, hey, if that would be
the first four games, that'd be an improvement over last year,
geez dan maybe one w And by the way, a
guy corrected me on Twitter yesterday because I said maybe

(01:58:55):
the key when we watched Hard Knocks and um Antonio
Bello Halloway played the whole game because he has punishment
for them finding a roach in his car, which is
a term for weed. Everybody, for all you kids out
there for finding weed in his car. We were joking
and saying, well, maybe that's the trick to to getting
on the field more in Cleveland. Just blow through a

(01:59:15):
stoplight and have your buddy leave weed in your car.
Blow through a stoplight and get pulled over in Brea.
And some guy wrote me on Twitter and said, uh,
actually got pulled over in another city. It wasn't Burrella, Okay, man,
We were being serious. Keep weed in your car so
you can get a starting Why do you think they
call it dope? I like when John Dorsey gave him
raid to kill the roaches in his car. I thought

(01:59:36):
that that was a great move by the general manager.
Does his old team Dallas in the news because they
have kind of a new core of receivers. Dak Presca
was telling the fort Ward Star Telegram. We really click.
We're starting to get it. We've had changeovers, a bunch
of different guys. It's all been good. We're starting to
hit the deep ball a lot more. Yeah, when they
throw four times a game, it'll be really awesome. Man,

(01:59:58):
at this negativity, I do can't handle it anything. Look
at that. I want I want to positive out that boom.
There is gonna be college football at Yankee Stadium in
November as part of the Shamrocks series of Notre Dame.
They this morning unveiled new uniforms with pin stripes behind
the logo on the helmet sticker and some Yankee pin

(02:00:21):
stripes on part of the sleeves at the shoulder for
this a little pin stripes. They look they look ridiculous,
but I like the creativity of it. There's something too.
There's something the pin stripe pants as well, which the
Charlotte Hornets are gonna be wearing throwbacks this year, and
I never understood why they're throwback. Shorts never had pin stripes.

(02:00:41):
When you see pictures of Larry Johnson and Alonso Morning
and Muggsy Bogues and Rex Chapman, they have the pin
stripes on the jerseys, but not on the shorts. These
Notre Dame football pants actually have pin stripes, and I
think are are unique. I don't think it's a great look,
but I do think it's unique. Yeah, this is uh,
Steve Mark this down. Let's get talked about on Sunday.

(02:01:04):
I'm switching with Gas on Sunday, so talk to him.
All right, Well, I don't want to talk um. You'll
still have a show with Brady Quinn. This is not
a good look, man. And if you're here, here's the
other thing, Brady Quinn ext of Notre Dame you're co
hosting with Dan. You like this, like the pinstripes on
the side. Did you hear what I said? I said,

(02:01:25):
I like the creativity of it. It doesn't look good,
but I like them thinking like, let's make a Yankee tribute.
It didn't translate, it didn't work out, but I like
the creativity of like, let's incorporate some of the Yankee
aspects into the uniform. And this is all for to
sell these corrects at one time, only sell them. Uh,

(02:01:45):
this is all, this is all this is about. Yeah,
because of course Notre Dame has no money. Did did
you see did you see Oregon's the uniforms? Yeah? Only
four this year? Yah? Well what's going on? Here's the deal.
Their numbers are like font seventy two. They are enormous.
Look on the it is they are. So that's one

(02:02:09):
of the new things on the Oregon jerseyl it's the
overcorrection from one of those uniforms where you can't see
the numbers at all. Yes, that was always difficult for
the media. Is that to help the people in the
press box. So basically, what they've done, it's like when
they installed the UH self checkout at the supermarkets, they
made they made a lot of cashiers and checkers obsolete.

(02:02:30):
So what they're doing is they're making spotters obsolete. Steve,
this is a personal shot at you from the Oregon
football program. Why did you take it up with them?
We do have an NBA item to pass along. As
the Minnesota Timberwolves one year two thousand nine did have
the opportunity to draft Steph Curry. They instead took Ricky
Rubio and Johnny Flynn back to back at number five

(02:02:52):
and six. In that draft. There was legend that David Khan,
then president of basketball operations of the Timberwolves, was hes
attempt to draft Curry because of his love for golf.
The players love for golf. At least that's how Curry
heard it. He was on the Bill Simmons podcast. He said,
I don't know if this ever came out or up,
but there's a story. Curry says, everybody knows how much

(02:03:14):
I love golf. Word on the street was he didn't
draft me because Minnesota is cold, and I wouldn't be
able to play as much golf, so I'd be miserable.
The interview says, is that true, and Curry says, I
hope it's true because that's hilarious. Wow. Well, it's true
because usually Halloween and the Upper Midwest is the cut
off day. That's when the pins come out of the

(02:03:34):
greens and the winter starts, and it isn't until late
March early April that you can see it up. Come on, dad,
that early. They just say you can't play golf in
the Midwest anymore. I mean, as somebody who's golfed recently
in the Midwest, and I mean I could totally speak
on this. That is very, very true that the press
I didn't realize that STEPHF. Curry loved golf as much

(02:03:56):
back then. I know that he was a big golfer.
Now is he? Is he the best athlete, non golfer
athlete out right now? Steph Curry? Who's better than him? Um?
Steff's pretty good. I'm trying to think. Heck, Joe Pavelski
almost won the tournament in Tahoe, but you know, the
top five at least you know it's good. Dan Buyer

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