BONUS: Urban Meyer Controversy, Hard Knocks & Dan Orlovsky

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(00:28):
so yesterday during the show, we're talking about your promo
that runs on Fox Sports Radio. You know, you're calling
the other radio shows. Now you're calling other businesses in
southern California, and you run your a chiropractor is not
a doctor line. So yesterday we're doing the show and
I run that line with you. You You know, we're just
kind of joking around, and I say, a chiropractor is
not a doctor. Well, apparently a bunch of doctors were
listening at that time, and they texted me, Oh should

(00:50):
they put me on Twitter? Oh? Should I not be
called a doctor by my patients? Now you know you're
a tool. I got doctors calling me tools because I
ran a line that was your line that we were
having fun with it from a promo. So now I
got doctors mad at me. Uh, and which, which, of
course was when I was listening to Dan Patrick show
and they were talking about whether or not a chiropractice
a doctor. Listen, it doesn't diminish your importance, right, Like

(01:13):
I took a tennis lesson yesterday and I did kind
of tweak my back. I might have a rib out.
I'd love to see a chiropractor. But guy is grasping
for air on a plane and the flight attendant no
longer allowed to say Stewart as the flight attendant says,
is there a doctor here? A chiropractor does not pop up.

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A podiatrist is more. Is is in the pecking order?
Like did you have to go to medical school? The
answer is no. I also look, I'm also worn down
by people they call themselves doctor that are a doctor
of of English or Grahamar or literature or whatever. It
doesn't mean you didn't earn your doctorate. It's just different
than a PhD. At what what's the Seinfeld line? When Uh,
she's one step up from the woman who works at

(01:54):
the clinique counter, Right, that man, we got a lot
to get to. Like, Listen, one of the things about
football season is where this is week zero in in college.
It's it's there. It's the pre boarding to the boarding
of next week, where we have an incredible litany of
college games. We do have games that count. But one
of the things that you run into, as you and

(02:16):
I have our own radio shows here on Fox Sports
Radio is MANU waiting for stories, Manu waiting for and
you think the games give us stories. We got a
bunch of stories today, a bunch of stuff like we
got hard like we gotta react to hard knocks right
that like the day after, although it's like a week
later in which the news is delivered on hard knocks, Like,
I do think there was some interesting stuff from that.

(02:37):
We have to talk about Bob Wiley. We have to
talk about how the United States has been able to
win wars because of jumping Jackson, push ups and set ups. Yes,
and his is incredible gut muscles. Oh awesome. That like,
like there's a bunch of dudes with with big guts, Like, man,
can I do that with my gut? All right? So
we got and Dez Bryant's visit that did not land
him a gig, his attire to the visit that did

(02:59):
not end him a gig on hard docks we have
the Yankees as they are going through a different problem
every single day. Late last night, Orroldis Chapman left the
game after six pitches due to a knee injury. So
now is another Yankee who's hurt, could wind up on
the deal. Gonna have an m R. I And the
Yankees are just free fun they have. They're in a
death spiral of injuries right now. It's like every day,

(03:21):
I feel like it's gonna be somebody else. Naron Boone
is gonna say the same thing. Well, we'll get it
looked at and then we'll we'll go on from there.
Hold on, we're gonna talk baseball. All of a sudden
that the Nationals are like, you know what, fire sale.
After all, we were gonna keep all of our things,
and now we'll sell all of our things. Does anybody
want Bryce Harper? And apparently the Dodgers claimed Bryce Harper,
and yet they couldn't get a deal done. But to

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you know, two others are gone and then you got
then you got the dot. Stop me if you've heard
this before. But the St. Louis Cardinals win again at
Chevez Ravine. Happens the Dodgers go down five to two
and suddenly they're not even mentioned. When you see here's
your West Coast results. Arizona stays in first place the
game and a half up on Colorado, and it's, oh boy,

(04:04):
they're not we we don't even get you know, Dodgers
or neck and neck. Do they need they need a
full bullpen transfusion. They need to call teams eke, our
entire bullpen sucks, will trade our entire bullpen for your
entire bullpen. It could be just as bad, but at
least it's different. Guys, you can complain about. Let's do that,
let's make that happen. Then you got to the Washington
Redskins have their running back with Adrian Peterson in camp

(04:27):
and they call him a physical freak. Can Adrian Peterson
kind of recapture the glory of years gone past? I
like this part of that story where the Redskins, Oh,
he's a freak, he does all of this. He's no
lock to make the opening day roster, but oh we
love him. He's so great. Look he shows up and
we put him through this forty minute workout and he
impressed everybody. His lateral movement is burst through the hall off.

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He's got a lot left in the tank. But so
he's gonna be your opening day starter. Well, we're gonna
evaluate how things go the rest of camp, and he's
gonna be in the mix with other guys, with Kelly
and Thompson and Peter Ryan when he gets back off.
So so I like how they're playing both sides of
the coin with Adrian Peterson. Yeah, and then there's, uh,
there's Jimmy Smith who gets suspended for four games for
for uh what what's being termed domestic you know, domestic

(05:12):
in inappropriate domestic interaction with the mother of his of
his kids. And this, this suspension that could have been
six and apparently is four games, has that effect the
Ravens like, are we going down kind of the right
path in Jimmy Smith's behavior? Albeit I don't believe he
was accused of doing anything physical towards the mother of

(05:33):
his kids. So there's a bunch of does it actually
remember these are your Ravens to talk about it on
a football field, you really like the Ravens. We talked
about it, Yet I am not really like four and
two home field advantage, Flack goes the m v P.
I mean that what you said and then there's also
the Jimmy Smith. Remember he fell in the draft because
of because of arrest, because of other off the field nonsense.

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But this is like six years later. Do we still
hold a passed against him? And we get that confirmation
ah bias. But we'll start today with something from last
night that just continues to be a story. And you know,
we talked about The Wire a little bit yesterday, and
you know how how big of a fans you and
I both are at the show in the different seasons.
The reason The Wire was so good is because it

(06:18):
basically said this is who we are for different parts,
for politics and for UH education and for law enforcement.
And sometimes it worked out good, sometimes it didn't, but
this was life. This is where we're at. I say
this because this is where we're at right now with
the national anthem situation on the news a couple of
days ago that ESPN says they're not going to cover

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the national anthem before Monday night games. They haven't done
it in the past, they're not going to do so.
Now there's a twofold conversation to have here. But let's
start with what happened last night on what is arguably
the worst day of of Donald Trump's presidency. I think,
regardless of party lines, you'd agree that that's the case.
He had a rally last night in West Virginia, and
one of the first thing he talked about was, guess

(07:02):
what about that anthem thing? At ESPN. You're proud of
our country, You're proud of our history, and unlike the NFL,
you always honor and cherish our great American flag. It
was just announced by ESPN that rather than defending our anthem,

(07:22):
our beautiful, beautiful national anthem, and defending our flag, they've
decided that they just won't broadcast when they play. We
don't like that because while the players are kneeling, some
of them, not all of them at all, you're all
proudly standing for our national anthem. Thank you. It's like

(07:48):
at w w E crowd the way they booed when
he when he mentioned ESPN. Boom on, here comes Kane
coming in from the back. Look, this is the reason
I talked about. This is where we're at. There's not
going to be a solution with the national anthem because
the NFL made the huge mistake. The worst thing they
did was allowed the president to have a say in

(08:09):
what players do or don't do during the anthem. They're
protesting because they don't like the way black men are
handled at the in the hands of police. This is
why the players protest, and this message is getting lost
in what's thrown out there on for people who are
pro uh pro standing for the anthem, and people who
are pro choice whether you can stand or not stand
for the national anthem. What the NFL needed to do

(08:31):
was say we'll take this. We have We're a private entity,
we're a private corporation, and we're fine. But as we
found out during the Colin kaepern A collusion trial, Jerry
Jones said, you know, I talked to President Trump and
he said, you can't win this. This lifts me and
it appeals to his base that people want to see
players stand for the national anthem. So once the NFL
made the rule saying yeah, players have to stand or

(08:52):
they can go in the locker room, that was it.
Because when something wins politically for somebody, instead i'd be
political conversation, It's just this is just app this is
just truth. You go something wins political, you never go
away from it. And it's a big win for him,
as he sees it because hey, I got the NFL
to to count out to my police people should stand
for the anthem. So now that he's involved, he's never

(09:13):
going to let it go. Whether players are in the
locker room or not, He's gonna say something. If the
ESPN is okay, we're covering the national anthem and players
are still in the in the locker room, he's gonna say,
why are players still in the locker room? They're protesting
the anthem. We're This is gonna be something we're going
to have to live with for, you know, until further notice,
as long as President Trump as president. Look again, this

(09:34):
is like every day there's a lot to dig into.
We should get jomp Al Morossy on you if you well,
first off, you just go back to when Colin Kaepernick first, Neil.
One one of the big flaws is, yes, I I
do agree that the the initial protest and most of
the protest was over police brutality. But when you had

(09:57):
a guy who was flawed um in his own an approach,
you know, wearing the pig socks and then wearing the
Fidel Castro shirt like and Colin Kaepernick has never necessarily
verbally owned he's he's lived up to what he said
he would do off the football field, but he never
he didn't keep backing it up, continued to make points

(10:18):
as to he didn't. He didn't stay on message. Is
the it is the political line. He didn't stay on
message as to why, and so it allowed other people
to jump in and say, well, this is why you're protesting,
and this is what it's about, and they lost control.
They lost control of what the protest was about. But
the idea that the NFL simply implementing the NBA's rules,

(10:39):
same rule the NBA has, there's no difference in it
at all. That that allowed President Trump to hop big
back in on this argument. I completely disagree with. Look Trump,
there's there's a little idiot savant there right like he
he found a winner. Yeah, he found he found a
winning argument there, and he was the one. It was
quite at least slowly going away that broadcast companies were stopped,

(11:05):
they dad stopped showing the anthem. It wasn't that big
a thing. And then he called they didn't call players
s O b s. But he said the word s
O B S in combination with with what he would
do if it was his player that was kneeling on
a football field, by the way, a league that he
couldn't get into. Right, the NFL tried to do the

(11:26):
they go low and we go high like wrong. They
have approached this wrong, wrong the whole way. If their
message was, hey, listen, Donald Trump is simply trying to
trying to dictate terms in a private in a in
a private business that he couldn't buy into. We wouldn't
let him buy into the Buffalo Bills. And crazy part
about it was, and he bought the Buffalo Bills. They

(11:47):
let him buy the Buffalo Bills. He wouldn't be president
states right, the old butterfly um had they done that,
they didn't. Instead, then there was a Then there's a
substantial portion of the protests late in the season in
involving entire teams that weren't it wasn't about the flag
like players and they well, it's about it's it wasn't
about the police brutality. There's a good portion of the

(12:08):
protest late in the season last year that was about
Donald Trump's comments like let's be honest, like that thing
was going away and then Donald Trump said s lbs
and they're like no, now we're all united against Trump.
So the idea he found a winner. Um, he rattled
the cage a little bit, he got them to react,
and then it became even more of a winning one.

(12:29):
And then ESPN announced, hey, we're stepping away from politics
and sports. This is not good for business, and that
allowed allowed him to get up on what you're calling
the worst day of his presidency. I find hard to
disagree with and and and go back to a winning topic.
It's it is really fascinating that you almost feel like

(12:51):
the best thing to say is nothing. Right Like CVS
is broadcasting NFL games, they ain't saying nothing like I
I'm not saying nothing. Uh. Fox is broadcasting NFL games,
and I'm guessing I think tomorrow they got a big
shin dig in New York where all of our spectacular
talent covering the nation Folloball League. I'm guessing they canna
say nothing. Esp in an effort too hey step away

(13:14):
from politics, they actually brought politics back into it. It's
the as the opposite of the intended effects, because I
look at it this way. Jason Smith Doug Gottlieb in
for Dan Patrick here on Fox Sports Radio. I can't
believe ESPN can actually say, as a news organization, we're
not going to cover the national anthem. It's become such
a big deal the last year or so now that
when Trump brought it back up right before the season,

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You're right, we were going away from it, but now
it's become a story. Now the anthem has become such
a big story, not just for sports fans. I know
there's a lot of sports were like, oh my god,
it's another anthem controversy. But trust me, this is something
that is you'd you get outside of sports. It's one
of the biggest things that people weigh in on. And
this is a story. Whether you like it or not,
it's a story. And ESPNS a news organization, so they
are basically choosing to say we're not going to cover

(13:58):
something that is news. Right, But that's that's where that's
where their message is off. Okay, instead of saying we
won't cover it, and instead of saying we will cover it,
they just should have said Jimmy Pittaro's in charge there now.
And I again, I think his intentions are good. I
don't think he has bad intentions here. He just he
wants to move on. He wants like, listen, we're just

(14:19):
broadcasting sports, right, And I understand what he's He's reacting
to UH people saying that they've gotten too political by
saying we're gonna be a political now. But to me,
the message should have been and we'll cover stories as
news dictates and saying nothing says something. But instead he

(14:39):
said we ain't covering it, which allowed the President to
use it to go back to one of his winning topics.
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(15:00):
set on Hard Knocks last night. I don't think it
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(15:22):
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(15:43):
Quarterbacks for us. We're gonna wait word we think we'll
get today on Urban Meyer and his fate at Ohio State.
There's a lot of a lot of sports stuff to
talk about. Yeah, that Ohio State thing can break at
any time, because they are meeting this morning. Now, we're
gonna get a leak before they go in. Are We're
gonna get it right after Hey, here's the recommendation, so
as we as soon as we find out, we'll bring

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it to you right here at Fox Sports Radio, because
certainly we are waiting with bated breath for the other
shoe to drop on that. That's something that earlier in
the week Bruce Feldman told us on on the show
we had him on. He said, listen, Wednesday is gonna
be the day what everbody thought it was Sunday? And
then it was money said, listen, it's gonna happen on Wednesday.
Tuesday night is the night to which the new Hard
Knocks drops. And I assumed you watched it. Yes, I
like how you say it drops like it's an album.

(16:25):
You know, the new album drops on another. What does
I mean? Is it drop drops? Fair? Fair? Fair point?
Get the new band of horses, and it does. The
new one does drop every Tuesday, and so then those
of us who can't get enough of it, like we're
drinking it up like soup. It is fair if you,

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if you, if you talk to sports guys, like real
hardcore sports guys, we wouldn't miss an episode. But not
everybody watched the episode. Uh, this one had Des Bryant
making a visit. It had some more Baker Mayfield. Um,
but I I think an unnamed or unknown previously unknown
assistant coach stole stole the episode. Yes. I love when

(17:08):
stories like this happen, when people become accidental stars or
in the case of the Browns, hey the cameras on me.
I want to say something. Bob Wiley is the offensive
line coach for the Cleveland Browns and maybe you look
to Twitter last night you saw Why is this guy
Bob Wiley trending? Who is this? And you look at
me and say, was he in a band in the sixties?
Is he doing something now? No, he's the offensive line
coach for the Cleveland Browns, and last night he owned

(17:29):
the episode of Hard Knocks many reasons, but mainly for
this one talking to someone else about the dedication of
players and how stretching and doing many things to get
ready for games and practices is very important. Push ups
are important, sit ups are important? How important is this
to football? Well? As Bob Wiley said last night, and

(17:51):
this is what's going viral, I don't know that we
would have won a single world war without them, World
War one, World War two. All those guys they're four
in at war, right, they did push ups, jumping Jack's
sit ups to climb the up and ran. But none
of this fancy, okay? Right? And they won two world wars,

(18:12):
two World wars. But doing jumping Jack's push ups and
sit ups two world wars, you think they were worried
when they're running across Normandy about stretching. Are you kidding me? Well,
let me see, give me my rubber bands so I
construct the run across dot. You gotta be kidding with
give me your rubber so I can do it, or
give me a bow flex so like, you know, unless

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I'm not riding, I need what what he's saying, Like, look,
we have gotten guys have become paralyzed by the I
had of to do my active stretching and activate my glutes. Um,
but like you're active stretching, and like guys have a
whole kind of routine and like, yeah, you're an NFL coach.
Like look, I came out here. I got a limited

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time that I'm allowed to work with guys. You can't
go two days anymore, and I gotta wait for guys.
Let me get my bands out, Let me get my
my rollers out, get my T bands, uh T bands
all loosened up. So I there is the old but
it's actually a great point, right Like I watched Saving
Private Ryan, I've watched all of those different you know,
storming the beach at Normandy, and no one pulled a hand. Remarkably,

(19:12):
no one did pull a hammy. I didn't see them
do push ups or sit ups or or jumping jack's
before they got off. I didn't see that. I don't
think that's how we actually won the wars. I think
if we had. That's what burpie actually is like. A
burpee is simply a push up slash jumping jack at
the same time, right, and now what that is like
there's a certain genius to the what's always been good

(19:32):
is in fact good. Yeah. I I just you know,
I see we won not one but two World two
World Wars because the other apparently the other countries weren't stretching. Yeah,
I'm not sure what happened. I'm not sure what happened
in Vietnam and Vietnam. Did we get too caught up
in in our in our stretching routine. Is that? Is
that why the Vietcong really gave us trouble? I I
don't understand. It was all as I mean, I was.
I was thoroughly entertained. I actually thought that the most

(19:55):
interesting thing that came from that episode was for view
didn't watch it was the Dez Bryant visits with the
Cleveland Browns and uh, you know, does shows up and
many people have seen him coming down the escalator with
the headphones on, with the spiritual gangster um tank top on.
But that's how he visited the Browns. That's how he

(20:18):
It's a job interview, and you can say whatever you want.
I don't you don't have to throw on a suit
in a tie. Hey, you don't have to throw on
some cotton dockers, you know, some lay flat pants. But
the idea that you would go into a place of
business hat in hand, trying to show that as a veteran,
you're mature, you're relatable to both uh upstairs meaning the

(20:41):
front office and to downstairs meaning the players, and you'd
show up like even if you wear a tank top.
He never took his headphones off. He's walking around the
facility headphones on, dapping dudes up, shaking guy's hands, which
again like you have people like why is he doing that?
He's acting like he's on. That's how people say hello.
They even guys. You don't know what up? Man? What up? Dude?

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I like that he went into the the to the
to the um the equipment room, right, that's a that's
a me move. By the way, I always go to
the equipment room because the equipment guys they hold the
keys to the gear kingdom. If you're a gear guy,
you want to get some gear, you gotta make friends
with those guys. Those are grinders. Those are day laborers
from NFL. They make nothing. Always be nice to those guys.
Those guys will get you the good shorts, all the

(21:25):
good stuff. They'll take care of you. That's smart. But
when you're going to meet with a potential head coach
and he had nothing prepared, he had nothing to say,
he doesn't take his headphones off, didn't dress appropriately. You
you seem you still seem like a des Bryant that
you think the idea of des Brian is he gets
it and he clearly doesn't get it. Well, I'm glad

(21:46):
to bring it up because I'll tell you exactly why
he did this. When did he say, Hey, I'm going
to Cleveland. After the first couple episodes of Hard Knocks,
I'm gonna start my visits next week. Nobody's clamoring for
as Bryant to visit. If people wanted des Bryant, they
would have offered my contract by now, but they haven't.
But he saw the publicity that Hard Knox was getting,

(22:07):
that the Browns were getting, so he said, Okay, I
need to jumpstart things. So I'm going to go visit
Cleveland and I'm gonna make it a show, and I'm
gonna show up and just be me, and I'm gonna
do some things that people are gonna see and go
look at does as you said, go to the equipment
room and see the guys at that. Hey, i can
be a good teammate, but I'm still gonna be me.
Because he doesn't want to sign with the Browns, he

(22:27):
just wanted the visual of him going to Brown's camp
and being on TV and that being something that has
talked about in NFL circles. I guarantee it was him
in his aid saying, Okay, you know what, if you
showed up there this, could you know, spark a little
something maybe a little bit of interest. I get a
phone call or something. Because there's nothing right now, de
because there's absolutely nothing for Dez Bryant. His teams have
gotten into camp. Now we're two weeks in. Nobody wants

(22:48):
to sign Dez Briant. He's a jag. He's been a
jag for a while. But this was by the way
for people, Jag is just just a guy, just a guy. Yeah,
I got Mike Mayock. I gotta always thank for that
that line. So this is why he came to Brown's
camp because he wanted the high profile of being on
Hard Knocks because he saw it work for Jarvis Landry.
Jervis Landry does this big profanity lace tirade after like

(23:09):
two practices wide receivers. We gotta do this. This doesn't dude,
we haven't played the game yet. And he saw the
attention that got and he knew that, Okay, this is
a different Hard Knocks than the other ones. There's a
lot going on around here. There's an entertainment aspect to it.
So I'm gonna show up there and this is It
was all about just getting my name out there. Let
people talk about des Brian again. Yes, but I I

(23:30):
kind of I feel like it backfired. Like I understand
that if you're Dez Bryant, you're smart to sit and
wait because right now they're running through the numbers and
they're trying to figure out what young guys are really
good enough. And even though Dez is not what he
used to be, you still know that jump ball. You
know he can make a play when you need it.

(23:51):
I think NFL people have a good sense of him,
but you do wonder about um how he will purport
himself in the locker room in the front office, you know,
in front of the cameras, and the idea that did
you show up for a job interview in a spiritual
gangster shirt, some shorts and headphones and you don't take

(24:11):
the headphones off Like I'm not again, I'm not saying
you need suit and tie, but there's a way to
do it and a way to not do it. And
if des Bryan wanted to use that to promote himself
to the rest of the league that I'm here, I'm
ready to play. There was no hat in hand, there
was no leveling off of the ego. There was no
understanding of the role of being a veteran is to

(24:32):
be completely buttoned up. I feel like he failed in
in appearance and in substance or lack thereof when he
showed up on hard Docks last night Fox Sports Radio
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Drive one Today Mercedes Benz the Best or Nothing. Joining
us now on the hotline for more in Hard Knox
and General Waterback Fund in the NFL. Dan Orloski, twelve
year NFL VET ESPN football analyst, all right, Dan, we
talked about the Bob Wiley statement. A few minutes ago.
We talked about winning World Wars thanks to jumping Jackson
push ups and sit up some big viral sensation from

(25:14):
Hard Knocks last night. Do you ever a coach like that?
They would just say things like that to make you go, man,
what is this guy talking about? Yeah? Often, you know,
I I've got a couple of decent little stories. I
played under a guy neared Rob Miranelly in Detroit when
he was our head coach. Now, Rod is one of
the kind of the most respected defensive minds and really
defensive line coaches in the league, and he's down in

(25:36):
Dallas now, But when he was the head coach, he
would end every single team meeting with this video montage
essentially of like national geographic videos of just animals hunting
each other. And he would kind of in a Steve
Irwin typeway like narrate the video with this coach this

(25:57):
coach voice, where he'd be like, you men ought to understand,
you've gotta hunt, and talking about look at these animals,
don't stretch. They don't worry about if they're warm where
they are, and if it's a football field or if
it's a parking lot, they gotta go hunt and eat.
And he would and every day with this different kind
of video and at some point, listen, I love Rod,

(26:19):
but at some point it was like, we've got to
be getting we gotta run football games. I get the
whole animal thing, but we're not. We're oh inten so um.
But I've had, Yeah, I've had my fair share of coaches.
Greg Shanna was another one where and I I have
a lot of respect for him as a football coach
and whatnot. But he would talk about like optimal learning
temperature for meeting rooms, yeah, the amount of hydration we

(26:44):
would have to have in a practice and whatnot. And
I'd be like, but we can't execute simple plays right now.
And that stuff is and I know it plays its part,
but we've got bigger fish to fry. So I've had
some coaches yet, Yeah, I know. I had John mcclouden's
my head coach Notre Dame, and he called all the
freshmen in before our first day of school at Notre
Dame and he's like, men noture Dame this year. We're

(27:08):
really in the big fish. We're really in the big fish.
We cast it out and we're really in the big fish.
And I remember my boy an Tony Wise like coach,
we're going fishing. We're like, it's a metaphor and tone,
it's a metaphor. Dan Orlovski joining us here on the
Dan Patrick Show. Um, am, I am I overreacting to

(27:29):
say that Dez Bryant, in an effort to show the
rest of the league that he was he's ready to
he's ready to go on job interviews, failed in appearance
and in substance in his job interview in Cleveland. No,
I don't think it's overreaction because you've got to kind
of take the whole big picture in and you know,
Does is obviously looking for a job. And my point

(27:50):
that I've been trying to make is why did Jordy
Nelson get picked up so quickly? And does did it?
And Jordy Nelson didn't have half the stat last year
that does did, Yet he was looked up and given
some money and does whether he's waiting or doesn't have
a ton of opportunities, we all don't know the exact details.
But if you understand that the narrative around des or
maybe something that might be hoping him back from being

(28:12):
signed yet as some of the emotional stuff or outbursts
or temper that is tied to him, you would imagine
that if he truly was taking this seriously and had
multiple opportunities, he was going to present himself with the
you know, somewhat of a serious tones and coach, Listen,
I want to be me, but I'm here to work
and I'm here to be a part of this football
team and get back to playing football and doing what

(28:34):
I love to do. And so I just didn't get
that feel from him, whether it was this his personality
or walking around and saying hello to everybody around the
locker room and almost looked like he was expecting it
was already a done deal, that he was already going
to be part of that team and walking out with
the deal signed. And that was the vibe that I

(28:55):
got it, just if and Dez, I want to make
sure that everyone knows, Listen, I'm here for there, I'm
here for the as the show The Bachelor with Sam,
I'm here for the right reason, right Yeah, yeah, no, no,
he was he was the guy who broke out the
guitar on the second episode of The Batcheler, Like, Oh,
he's trying to He's trying to he's trying to become
a country singer instead of instead of trying to win

(29:15):
the bachelotte's hand. You couldn't couldn't have nailed it any better. Yeah,
I just I would. I would have loved to seeing
a little bit more. Okay, even when when he's talking
with Hugh Jackson and he's like, you know, I just
want realness, it's almost like he hasn't still moved on
from the Dallas situation, and I want to hear him go,
I want to play football. I want to be part
of a good football team where I have an impact.

(29:36):
I want to play with players that are explosive and
this and that, rather than I just want you to
be honest. They're real with me outside of hard Knocked.
I know. As you're getting ready for the season, we've
seen a lot of attention spent on the rookie quarterbacks.
Josh Allen looks like he could start in Buffalo. Sam
Donald's still getting the majority of the reps with the Jets,
which are the rookie quarterbacks, so far as impressed you
the most, definitely Sam Donald. You know, Sam's been kind

(29:58):
of what I expected of him him. He's complete control
of the ability to kind of be improvisational, makes and
throws on the run, which is something he did really
well coming out of us USC. It's been interesting to
hear how how advanced he is mentally and grasping their
playbook and how unflappable he is. I expected that because
that's kind of his personality. So he's been really encouraging

(30:20):
to watch. I liked what I've seen out of Baker Mayfield.
Baker has shown progress. Now I continue to say it's
not time yet. There's no need to russ Baker into
the to the line up, but it's not time yet.
But you can see some improvements with his eyes, decision making,
how he's getting through his progressions. Josh Allen has probably
been the one that's been really surprising to me. Um

(30:42):
he's he looks like he's belonged. Now. There's still some
throws that I go huh, but and there's still some
protection stuff where someone's coming unblocked and and it's a
big blow up in the backfield, and I don't know,
scheme wise, if it's on the running back or the
offensive line or Josh Allen. And I was critical on
him coming out, but he's been impressive. Rosen has been
really nice. Lamar Jackson is a struggle that has expected.

(31:04):
I don't think that's a too dread flag. We everyone
should have understood he was a year or two away
from actually being able to play that position at a
super high level. But they've all had some moments when
you go, Okay, maybe this class is gonna be a
little unique. Um what but but you mentioned the Lamar
Jackson thing. There are still people convinced that he can
play quarterback this year in the NFL. Why why do

(31:27):
Why are people watching the film thinking that's that's the case.
Oh I don't know who those people are, but they
just I can't. I can't. There's no way, there's no
way that you can justify to me that Lamar Jackson
can play for any team right now in the NFL.
And that's not it's a yet thing. It's just yet
because you're only gonna last so long running around. And

(31:52):
if that is your and this is what I said
about him, that's his greatest strength. That's just go to
weapons that will only get you so far. And here's
the thing. If you watch the tape, Yes, he's had
some night scrambles, but he's and I've been surprised by this.
He's always also been kind of walked down a little
bit on the sideline, doesn't out run a ton of
defenders side by the sidelines. That's the difference between the

(32:12):
NFL and college. It's it's crazy. I we said this yesterday,
like I was surprised. Like I know that in the
NFL they say you don't get faster, everybody else does.
But you know, I thought he was more of a
freak athletically than maybe he is. Of of the things
that I'm actually disappointed by. It said he doesn't run
away from linebackers and the way I I thought he would. Um,

(32:34):
let me ask you about Andrew Luck. Look, it's a process.
It hasn't been two months that he's been throwing the
duke right, and so I'm I'm well, we should be
realistic and just be thankful that he's back on a
football field. But when you watched him two nights ago
on Monday Night football, do you believe he can get
back to where he was a couple of years ago? Unequivocally, unequivocally,

(32:58):
And there's a play in the game team where it's
a little bit of a quick flash play action pass,
kind of a five step drop. He puts his foot
in the ground, no hit. She puts his foot in
the ground and drives the ball down the scene inside
of a zone and the ball stepped on and driven
about twenty yards and so one, I wanted to see him,
like we didn't see it in week one, but I

(33:18):
wanted to see him after drive a football into a
narrow window and he did downfield and he did that,
So that was encouraging. And just that rhythm and timing
and trusting his eyes and seeing it was encouraging to me.
I think that the Colts are are in this situation.
So he was really good Week one, Okay, Week two
not so great. The reality is no won game plans
for the preseason, certainly not coaches who know what they're doing,

(33:40):
and Frank Riik is one of them. The Colts talent wise,
like t Y Hilton is a good receiver, yes, and
Ryan Grant you're hopeful is Is has some good moments
and Doyle and whatnot, but they don't have a super
talented team around him. When you don't have a super
talented team, game planning becomes even more important. It becomes
a much bigger deal that you can scheme stuff up

(34:02):
to get guys to get open or get them in
space or whatnot. Well, when you're not doing that in
the preseason, you're you're gonna be a little hindered. You
don't have guys that you can just go outside and
wear people out in coverage. And so I'm not gonna
jump off the ship or get too concerned right now,
because game planning is going to be such a big
part of the success that they do have moving forward.

(34:22):
I really want to see once we get into the
into the regular season and Frank Reich is allowed to
put his fingerprints all over that offense, truly what he
looks like. And I still think it's gonna take a
month or so for Andrew to really really settle in
last thing. Pat Mahomes obviously has ridiculous arm talent. We
saw the seventy yard connection with Tyreek Hill, and if
you look kind of on paper, this is a ridiculously

(34:44):
explosive offense with a young quarterback who can make every throw.
But it's a it's a departure from what the Chiefs
have been under Andy Reid to this point, which is
super safe, fairly conservative, never turn the football over, even
though I think everyone would agree he has better armed
talent and an incredible cast to work with. Are they

(35:05):
the better because of it? M Um, here's the thing.
It's so there's gonna turn the ball over more. Yeah,
he's gonna turn it more over than Alex Smith. The
real thing is what happens with those turnovers, and so
the pressure becomes a little bit more in their defense. So,
which is not going to be a strength of theirs.

(35:26):
So are they better? Not in September and not in October? No,
they're not. Because Alex is one of the better guys
in the NFL. Are they going to be better maybe
at the back end of this season and certainly in
absolutely and so at some point that decision had to
be made to move on. So it's really interesting because,
like you referenced, Andy hasn't won a ton of games

(35:49):
in this fashion. It's almost similar to what's going on
with Alabama and that whole thing with Jalen Hurts and
Tuah because they've won a ton of games the way
Jalen hurts plays and two is a little bit more
dynamic and exciting. And so it would be really important
that when Patrick Mahomes is aggressive with the football and
maybe make some turnovers because of lack of experience or

(36:11):
too aggressive, that their defense is able to buckle down
and flip flip a turnover back with a three and
out of whatnot. That's going to be the most important thing.
When he turns the ball over. What does the defense
do in response to it? You can fall on Twitter
at dan Orlovsky seven. That is at dan Orlovski seven,
twelve years in the NFL, ESPN analysts Dan, there's always

(36:33):
but I appreciated man. We'll talk to you soon. Thanks
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straight ahead, one of Lebron James's former longtime teammates talks

(36:56):
about the struggles of what it's gonna mean to play
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(37:20):
seems like there's Lebron James news, and there's some Lebron
James news where you go, okay, is it's really news?
And there's other times where it's like, wow, this is
really interesting and this falls under the category of boy,
this is really interesting with Lebron James. Got more NFL
get back into that coming up in about ten minutes.
But Channing Fry, who has played with Lebron James the
past few years in Cleveland long time teammate, was asked

(37:42):
about playing with Lebron in an interview he did with
USA Today and to tell you what is in store
for the Lakers and the NBA this season. This is
what Channing Fry said about playing with Lebron. Quote, when
you play with Lebron, he does so much, whether he
likes it, or not. It's just him. Everyone else fits

(38:02):
into a role. You're a scorer, you're a passer, you're
a defender, you're a shooter, you're a rebounder, implying that
everybody around Lebron needs to adjust his game become more
one dimensional. And this is who you are, and this
is how he sees you because he does so many things.
How's that gonna play? I think it's fascinating to see

(38:23):
and and I that's I mean, it's it's one, it's
accurate because he's lived it, he understands it um. And
two it's it's how he processes things. And this is
this is gonna be an issue. I don't think there's
any questions gonna be because that's not the way the
Lakers want to play, or believe that they want to play.
Right Like you have, you have conflicting I don't know

(38:46):
narratives or perspectives on how it's actually going to work. Remember,
Luke Walton comes from two different or maybe even three
different systems. One, he was an Arizona guy, which was
you know, under Ludols once it was very free flowing. Um.
He sees himself as a Phil Jackson guy, which was
triangle and then and of course his his success as

(39:07):
a coach as an interim coach with the Golden State Warriors.
And the Warriors though they have a ball stopper and
a great one on one guy, maybe the best in
the league. I believe the best in league in Kevin Durant,
but I think they were in isolation plays, dead last
in pick and role plays. Right, they want the ball
to move and that's not the way that Lebron plays.

(39:29):
Lebron plays in that. Hey, everybody knows their role and
and look, that's what happens with older players. You you learn,
you evolve into Okay, well I'm a shooter, that's what
that's what I'm gonna do, and he's going to make
me look better at Kyle Corver couldn't have started or
played major minutes for any other playoff team, But with
Lebron James, because you can't leave Kyle Corver, He's He's

(39:50):
almost invaluable to what he was doing. I'm fascinated by
it because young players have yet to maybe grow into
or accept a role that that's the hard part about
young players. It's like Branding was like, well what am I? Well,
I kind of do a little bit of everything. Yeah,
but that's not how it works with Lebron Lonzo Ball
like I'm I'm a pastor of my facilitator, like what

(40:10):
am I? And so it works more with the Rondo's,
with the Land Stevenson's, with JaVale mcgees. But the core
of what the Lakers want to build around is those
young players to go around, and they have and even
Channing Fry said this interview, Lakers have good young players,
but there's a there's a very contrasting ideas from Luke
from the youth of this team to Lebron James and

(40:31):
how that plays out. It could it's gonna be bumpy
very early in the season. Well, and that's the thing
is I look at it from the perspective of look,
Lebron is still Lebron, and he's still the best player
in the game for how much longer we don't know.
But when Jordan's came back out of our time with
the Wizards, he was not the player Lebron is now.
But it was bumpy, you know. Rip Hamilton's was like, yeah,
you know, I'm not just gonna sit here and do

(40:51):
whatever he wants me to do. And the young guys
on the Wizards that were supposedly the future. They clashed
a lot, and that's something that that I don't think
Jordan's thought he had to deal with, but he had to,
and now Lebron may have to deal with this. There's
a lot of things with l A. I don't I
don't know that he's ready for. I think he thinks,
all right, I know exactly how things are gonna go,
and there's gonna be some things to crop up. They're
gonna surprise him a little bit. The point about l

(41:12):
A is also a good one. Everyone thinks that can
be a mogul come to l A's already. I've already
had done TV shows and movies in Cleveland. What could
be that hard. It's different when you factor in traffic,
kids going to new schools, and so many people pulling
at you. But I think the biggest thing is how
it works out in the basketball court. It's a little
bit more difficult than most would just assume you plug

(41:32):
Lebron in and everybody's better because of it. We have
two big stories from the NFL and also could a
future Hall of Famer be coming back to play in
the Big Three that's coming up next, Jason Smith Doug
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(41:53):
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The Day Patrick Show. Jason Smith, Doug gottlieb In for Dan.
You can hear our shows on Fox Sports Radio My
show nights eight to eleven p m. Pacific, Doug twelve
to three doing his show all week as well as
doing this. And we got a morning where we're still

(42:15):
waiting on the final word on Urban Meyer. The big
Ohio State Board of Investigators meeting this morning, so hopefully
we'll find out the answer to what happens with Urban
Meyers sometime in the next hour or two hours. I
mean they're meeting now, so we gotta think at some
point soon we're gonna find out. I want to I
wanna point this out. And there's a bunch of stories

(42:35):
you want to get to Rallis Chapman, the status of
Rallis Chapman and the status of of the New York Yankees.
Interesting that stop me if you heard this for but
the Cardinals won again again like remarkable, or the Dodgers
lost again. This is there's baseball talk about, there's NFL
football to talk about. We react to the hard knocks. Um.

(42:55):
But yesterday I just you said that you think this
story would be completely different if it wasn't in Columbus.
And and maybe you're maybe you're maybe you're right. Maybe
it's a small caution. I will always tell you this.
Clark Kellogg is a member of the Board of Trustees. Okay,
And of the five human beings that I've worked with
that are just better human beings than I am, right,

(43:18):
I can't Clark Kellogg is among those people. He was
obviously an All American at Ohio State. He works for CBS.
We worked together. I can only he he he. He
has this one expression which I used on a day
when you ask Howard Howard things, um uh, he has
a he has an incredible way. He said, Look, all
the important things are great. Right. That's it's a great

(43:40):
way of looking at life, right, all the important things
are great. Um. I I don't believe in a lot
of things that happened at colleges. And yes, I do
think that football does rule the day. If if rben
Meyer keeps his job, I think Clark Kellogg. If Clark
Kellogg signs off on it, then I'm okay with it. Whatever.

(44:02):
I actually believe he didn't that much as a human
being that I how how he handles things is the
way in which things I would handle him if I
cut away money and fame and all this other stuff.
He usually does things because he always does things because
they're the right thing. I look at it from the
angle of if they wanted to fire him, they would
have done it already, they would. I disagree that you

(44:24):
had You had the fire was the hottest coming off
of of of the news that came out, and at
the very least you had urban Meyer for institutional control.
He kept a domestic abuser on staff for a couple
of times, something Mark Cubans still runs the Dallas Mavericks,
which blows my mind when he admitted to keeping a
domestic abuser on staff and still that happens. But that

(44:45):
is where I feel like, if well, well, it also abusive.
There was there's video, there's pictures of of her, of
his former girlfriend with a lot of bruises on her face,
and he decided to keep him on because why I
can keep an eye on him. No, no, no, that
you create an unsafe work environment for females or work

(45:05):
for you. And yet still Adam Silver said, yeah, yeah, sure,
he runs in africs. But that's when the pressure was
the hottest. The pressure is not hot to fire. That's
not that's not accurate that it's not that the pressure
is not hot, it's that. Look, you have to do
when you're the highest paid member of not just a school,
but of the state of Ohio. You have to have
due process. You have to have an official investigation. You

(45:29):
have to have it done the right way. I I
completely if you're going to fire him, you can only
fire him after the investigation is complete. You can't just
react to You just can't react to, oh my god,
this looks terrible and we have to fire him to
save face. Like. That's not the way it otherwise than
then that that's what's happened in other places where every
then everybody sues you. Then you're gonna lose forty million

(45:51):
dollars and you're never gonna get another head coach. No, no, no, no, dude.
The only way to do it, and do it the
right way is to have due process and allow out
investigation to run its course, and then to meet with
the board of trustees and hear out exactly what he knew,
when he knew, what he did about it, not conjecture,
not what we think happened, what actually happened. Read through

(46:12):
all the emails, all the digital, all the digital, all
the digital messaging, all of that, all the interviews, and
then and only then can he be fired. I don't
think that takes two and a half three weeks. It
absolutely takes two. We already had all the information from
we didn't We didn't have all the information from the
digital messaging. We didn't have like no one even knew

(46:33):
that Zex Smith had a d u I going back
to two thousand thirteen until last week. It didn't because
because of the way things are buried. When if you're
smart and you have money, you can bury things that
you get a ready you can, there's ways in which
they don't. They don't run up the chain to your boss.
I completely disagree that you have things take time. People
eight people on this who also probably had a team

(46:53):
of people working for that person. That's this investigation where
a lot of the facts of what's going on has
been out there, have been out there. We they know, Yes,
they had to do a decent amount. I'm not saying
he needed to happen right away and go, oh my god,
Zack Smith said this, and they have the text. Now
we have to fire him. But you know, when you're
getting into three weeks, okay, all this time, I mean
what really it comes down to this. Did Irban Meyer

(47:15):
report up that Zach Smith that he knew Zack Smith
was accused domestic violence? He lied a big ten media day.
Who did he talk to that? That's it? That's the
smoking gun. Did he know? Did he lie that? Of
all of the arrest of the things, that's we need
to know. And I don't think that takes three weeks
to figure out who did he talk to? Urban? Who
did you talk to? Well? I told Jean Smith, I
told somebody else or something else. Okay, and now you

(47:37):
talk to Jeane Smith. Do you have any evidence of this? No?
You any documentation this? No? If they do, we have
it right here. I told Jean Smith. Okay, you're keeping
your job or you're not keeping your job. And that's
really it's the game. Yeah, but yes, but you're you're
acting like all of these things can happen in a
day that they don't happen in a not a day,
but not three weeks. Like I actually think a fourteen
day process is a pretty sped up process for a

(48:00):
complete due for for due process, like I I you
have to pull all the digital messaging that that doesn't
happen in five seconds. You gotta pull all the emails,
all of the emails. You have to talk with different
you have to talk with the officers who showed up
at the scene. Hey, you have to interview uh, you
have to interview Zack Smith. You have to interview his wife.
You gotta interview all the coaches wives. You gotta interview

(48:21):
the head coach, the assistant coaches. You got to interview
your athletic director, your associo athlectric or all the different
people that you talked to, the HR representative at the school. Like,
these things just don't happen in a moment, Jason. And
when you're talking about a guy who's who's owed I
believe like forty three million dollars, you gotta have everything
buttoned up if you're going to fire. You can't just

(48:41):
go like, hey, this looks bad, this smells bad. Or
this looks good, this smells good, You better be button up,
you better get it right. This is no different than
our disagreement yesterday when we used to work at the
other place, which is you get a story, your run
with a story because you saw somebody reputable doing it
like you gotta take a breath and make sure you
get it right, not get it first. And especially especially

(49:03):
when you're talking about something as serious says domestic violence,
and as serious as lying potentially lying to your boss
about it. This is one of those instances where you know,
again a conversation we had yesterday about working hard, you
work hard at this. This is where you work twelve
hour days to figure this out as fast as you
can too, and to do a good job on it.
And really, when when one crux of it is the

(49:25):
entire ball of wax, it's not that difficult. I think
it could have been just a few days. Didn't need
to be here to two and a half week stretching
into three weeks. We're moving it and maybe we get
it today. Hopefully we get it today. And I know
they're they're up against the first game of the regular
season is practice underweigh in Columbus and they're getting ready
where there's gonna be a suspension or not. But really
I feel if they wanted to fire him, if they

(49:46):
were really saying, okay, this is it, then we would
have known. If they were working on a buy out,
we would have known. Somebody would have leaked. Hey, you
know what, urbans out. They're working on a buyout right now.
They're working on it for the last game, and we
have not gotten that. So that that that's a that's
a big thing. That's a big red flag to me
that it's been so silent for this and we've not
gotten to push if he was gonna be out, that's
something that gets out. I'm just I'm just I'm telling

(50:08):
you the process of which it takes. By the way.
Pete Damil, who writes for Sports Illustrated, tweeted this out
and assumeing Yahoo, Uh sorry, Pete used to right for
sports shows straight now right for Yahoo. We all we
all kind of move around in that chall game the
same company. Pete Damil tweets out an unexpected twist, Urban
Meyer has shown up at the meeting. That's the bot
the board of trustees meeting. This is really surprising. Rodney

(50:31):
Dunning Dunningham, who worked for w S y X six
in Columbus. Urban Meyer spotted by our crew on campus.
Right now, university trustees are discussing outcome of investigation, the
decision on the future we made by the presidency. Again,
I again, I think you're reading this all wrong. I

(50:52):
think that in order to fire him, in order to
fire him, um, you better make sure you got all
your ducks in a row. You gotta make sure you
got all your duction row, because the last thing you
want is to fire urban Meyer and have a lawsuit
to which I mean, like, you're gonna lose all that money,
You're gonna lose all a football season, but you're also
gonna lose You're gonna then then do you de fire

(51:13):
athletic director as well? Like Jane Smith is one of
the most respected UM athletic directors in the country, Like
you fire him as well? Like where does it? Where
does it stop? The president has to worry about his
own job as well with the board of trustees. Like
there's a bunch of different stuff to get to and
you can't just hey, what you know when you know? Okay, fine,
you have to go through digital, you have to go
through email, you have to have you have to have

(51:35):
face to face all these people, and these things take
time to do the right way. And I actually think
this has been a sped up, a far more sped
up process as opposed to what Maryland's doing where the
kid died. Going back into June, I think, and their
investigation is not going to be complete until September. These again,
it takes a lot of time to make sure you
had all the video evidence right, anything, anything that's done

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inside those offices, their video everywhere of it. You can
pull it. You can get video for apparently not because
we would have got the Zack Smith video a lot sooner.
What what do you mean Zach Smith the sex video
Zach Smith sex in the office again. But but but
that's what I found, guys, Look what I found, No question,
Like again, you have to go through hours and hours
and hours. And I understand that in any conversation that

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they have that's had inside os US office buildings, it's
probably there's there's a again a video record of it,
But then you have to go through it. That takes time. Jason, No,
I understand that. And if this was a this was
an investigation where we opened up this huge can of
worms and they were seventeen different angles on it. I
would agree, But it's on urban Meyer to prove that
in he knew about these allegations from Courtney Smith, and

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he told the right people that that's what this is
all about. The burden of proof is on myer to say, hey,
I reported, and what do we what do we get
after me today? Yeah? I I I passed it up
or I reported it and and you know, I dealt
with the allegations. Okay, what did you do? And this
is Erman Meyer and you're talking to him saying what
did you do? Who did you talk to? Do you
have proof? Fund? And that's that's where your focus is

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the rest of the other stuff, did you know? Did
you lie? Did you keep a guy who was accused
twice now of domestic violence on staff? And that is
really what comes Okay, we can't keep you, we can't
keep you. That is in control. But then there's then
there's the then there's the other part to it. Even
if he did send those things up the flagpole, even
if he did report them to Jeane Smith, he still
kept him on staff with all kind of with with

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with just this sense of a level of toxicity surrounding him. Right,
So even if even if you come to a conclusion
that yes, he did reported to Jeane Smith, but even
is that good enough? I mean really, because that's the
paternal thing, right, The paternal thing was like, hey, I
reported it. I didn't not be like yeah, but he
was still He might have had him off staff, but
he's still on campus. He was still around the football team,

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he was still with the with the uh with the
kids and bringing them around Penn State. Like, you still
did it. Again. I know this is different, but it's
still the idea of hey, uh, I reported. He's still
lied to the media and did so in a fashion
to which almost demean the meaning like how dare you
ask me about these things that I have told you about?
So even if he did it, does does the board

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of trustees say, you know what, we still don't want
him around. We don't want ourselves. I said it would
be that easy, and okay, it's not that again, It's
not that easy. You can't just fire a guy in
five minutes because you think I don't like the fact
that he lied to the media. You cannot like him.
You can want, but you have to get all of
those people to be convinced do a thorough investigation so
that you can fire him with cause. Firing with cause

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is a huge, huge issue there because there's a lot
of money at stake, and even if the money, you
take the money out of it, you want to make
sure you get it right, and to get it right
sometimes it takes time. You know, I disagree with you,
but you brought up a really good point a couple
of seconds ago about Lyne to the media. He never
had to do that. All he had to do. You're
asked about to say, guys, this is a legal investigation

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and I can't say any thing about it. And people
would have moved on. Brett McMurphy even said if he
blew us off, we're not going to continue on with us. Okay,
it's a legal investigation. They're looking into things, and okay.
But he decided to be combative with with Brett McMurphy
and with with the media that was there. He brought
this on himself. All he had to do with because
so many guys, there were so many coaches. They know
they don't say, oh, I can't tell that's a legal situation. Okay,

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what are you gonna say? Yeah, but can you tell
me this I can't illegally it's it's it's it's I
just can't talk about it. Okay, and it's done. He
brought he brought this on himself, this whole thing. Would
not even talking about it if he didn't do that.
Uh potentially, yes, you're you're yes, he made the cover
up becomes worse than the crime. And this reminds me
of do you remember, um Clear and Present Danger was

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because I think it was. I think it was Clear
and Present Danger. It was a movie, yes, um where
at the very beginning of the movie Clear in Present
Dangers a book by Tom Clancy and Jack Ryan. In
this Jack Ryan is his lead character CIA. Now he
worked for the CIA, not it's Harrison payed by Harrison Ford.
And at the start of the movie, one of the

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President's close friends is killed by by drug lords, right
and and his yacht and it turns out that it
was killed by drug because he was laundering money for
uh for for drug kingpins. And so they're sitting around
the Oval office and all of these other advisers to
the President as saying, this sends yourself. You barely knew
each other. You happen to be in school at the

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same time, but you weren't friends, And Harrison Ford says, no,
hold on, don't say you were friends, say you were
lifelong friends. Because the second you get defensive, that's when
the media is like, now, that's when we catch you lying.
And once we catch you lying about how clear's pictures
of you at all these different events, pictures of you
vacation together. If you lie about it, it's gonna make
it worse. And that's the mistake, the one of the

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mistakes that urban Meyer made. Had he simply not gotten
defensive about it and said, like, look, Earl Bruce is
one of my mentors, Zack's grandson. Uh, this is awful,
awful information. But I cannot speak to personnel matters or
to two matters of you know, two legal situations. At
the appropriate time, I'd be happy to sit down with

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you and discuss what I knew, when I knew, and
and what I did about it. But but this is
not the time, this is not the place, and I'm
not able to do so without a lawyer. President, it
just you run the case to run the risk of litigation.
Had he done that, You're right, it wouldn't It still
wouldn't look good, but it wouldn't be as bad as
it looks right now at Ohio State Jason Smith Doug
Gottlieben for Dan Patrick. Again the new news that's come

(57:33):
in by Pete Thamil from Yahoo. Unexpected twist. Urban Meyer
shown up at the meeting the board of trustees having
a meeting to decide what his fate is going to be.
In the words of Pete Tamil quote, this is really surprising.
The decision on his future will be made by Ohio
States President. Will keep you updated on this as the
story continues to evolve, and if we have any more

(57:54):
urban Meyer sightings on Ohio State's campus. But coming up next,
a huge injury from last night, we gotta break it
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we told you a few minutes ago, a little bit
of new news on the Urban Meyer front. Pete Famil,
who covers college football for Yahoo Sports. As an unexpected twist,
Urban Meyer has shown up at today's meeting that is
deciding his fate in Columbus. This is really surprising. Also
Ronnie Dunnagan, who covers Ohio State for w s y
X six TV in Columbus, saying that trustees are discussing

(58:57):
the outcome of the investigation and a decision on his
future will be made by the president of Ohio State University.
Look again, this is just me hypothesizing. I do feel
like that's a that's a big dog that's a that's
a big dogging move, if you will. That's a that's
kind of like a big boy move by Urban Meyer.
And when I mean big boy, I don't mean like

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that's that's solid of him to show up. That feels
like a are you gonna suspend me? Are you gonna
fire me. Let's just say I'll walk in and do it.
When I'm around here. You'll understand how big a thing
my sort of presence is. It's a little bit different,
don't He's not hiding out in his house waiting for
the phone call to understand, to wait for his fate.

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It's easier to do that way than it is to
do it to somebody's face. I actually believe that that
would be my my guest. Again, this is totally a
guess as to why a guy like that shows up,
because the rumors have been some sort of suspension, But
again those are just rumors, completely unsus unsubstantiated. Now here's
here's another angle on it. Did he show up because

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he got wind of he knows what his fate is
going to be? Did he know because if you're gonna
stay on, if you know you're staying on without anything
happening to you, you don't need to show up. Okay,
I'm here, I did it. Now. Is he getting some
kind of discipline? Is he getting a longer suspension than
he expected? Is he actually getting fired? And he heard
he says, all right, you know you want to do this,
I'm gonna walk in and either let them know how

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difficult it's going to be, or let, as you said,
let them see how big a deal I am. I mean,
I don't know if he's walking across campus waving to
people like it's a presidential thing and people he's shaking
hands and taking pictures going look, Irban Meyers doing the
stroll across the quad. I mean, I don't know if
that's the reason, But I look at it as is
this really going on so behind closed doors and he
shows up just out of the blue, or did he
get an inkling as to what could possibly happen and hey, yeah,

(01:00:44):
if you want to go there, I'm gonna go there.
There is something interesting that I don't know if it's
been discussed, is Look, I think we would all agree
that the n c A stepped out of their purview
in punishing Penn State on the football field for the
Jerry Sandusky matter. Right, that technically is not within the
purview of the n c A. Right we and and

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that's one of the reasons they had to dial back
uh some of those penalties. On the other hand, the
reason they did it was not only the disgust that
they had and anybody had with what took place, but
also just the idea that kind of what you uttered,
which is football is bigger than everything, right, Football bigger
than anything. And I think one of the things um

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that people don't understand about about a college campuses. It's
not always the case. Sometimes football is really powerful, but
it's also sometimes it's hard to be an athlete on
campus because you get that one teacher that's like, I
don't like football. I don't like you know, no matter
how much you come in and you prepare, or I
don't like basketball. You basketball guys think you run things

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like I'll show you. It's it's a very difficult. I
take cal Berkeley is the perfect example of this. You're
gonna tell me. I had a professor at Cloma State.
I did that. You would have it's about it was
about it was about split right you'd have you'd have, Yes,
you would have a basketball friendly professor or two. I
had a professor he's actually retiring at Oklahoma State. One
of the best teachers I ever had, uh Lee Manser,

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Dr Lee Manser, and he did marketing and he'd go
take his class and he actually kept kept the book
and every one of my basketball games at GALAGRAI arena,
and so the thought would be to anyone outside of store,
like dude, Lee Manser, his son played basketball there, Um,
his daughter went there. He's a professor, he keeps the
book like that's a layup, A A or B. Right,

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couldn't be further from the case. Because he held you
to He actually didn't held you to a higher standard.
He held it to the exact same standard as everybody else.
But he made you feel like, hey, dude, everybody thinks
that I'm in the bag for you, and I'm gonna
make it harder for you. I'm gonna challenge you more
just to prove It's like being the coach's son, just
to prove that I'm trying to be fair. He was
almost unfair in the way in which he handled you,

(01:02:57):
which I totally respect. He was a great teacher, and
it'll be missed. You said he was a doctor, like
was he a doctor? Doctor? Was? Doctor? Wasn't? And you
wouldn't walk around go with Dr Leeman's like what do
you marketing? Right? You know? But like my my brother,
my brother was us an assistant for six years at
cal Berkeley and and cal Berkeley. Obviously outside of you
see Santa Cruz. You might not find a more liberal university,

(01:03:20):
but you get a lot of professor It's the the
the there's a dichotomy between CAL and Stanford, Right, Like
Stanford harder to get into. Nobody flunks out at Stanford, right,
Nobody ever flungs out of Stanford. Cal easier to get
into because they make exceptions for here, for there or whatever.
We want to even the playing field. But then you
get a lot of professors that are like, oh, you

(01:03:40):
think football like because it was easier to get in, Like,
we're gonna make it harder for you. So I think
that one of the things that people think. The board
of trustees, you're gonna have all these people like, hey, listen,
we got a four field of football team. When I
think a lot of the a lot of the academics
on the board of Trustees and the president they're scared
of the n c A coming in and being head
be handed. Hey we did this Penn State, We'll do

(01:04:02):
it with Ohio State. We don't care that this looks
terrible for us to employ a domestic alleged domestic abuser
for several years after he's been accused multiple times of
the same thing. So, and I also think there's the
academics fighting back for control over the university. That they're like, look,
this university was based upon academics and research, and that's

(01:04:24):
that's what we do. Football is Football is simply to
promote all the other things we do. So there is
a there is a fundamental breakdown in those boardrooms of
of trustees and it happens in every campus across the country.
We're also getting in right now Jason Smith Doug Gottlieb
in for Dan Patrick that uh a door is being
guarded that just opened. This is an Ohio State university

(01:04:46):
behind our chairs and the Ohio State backdrop, which seems
to be a very strong evidence that a press conference
is occurring here today, uh ariy Wasserman, who is Ohio
State beat writer for the athletics. So it looks like
we are going to get a decision on urban Meyer
coming up at some point, I would say in the
next couple of hours. If you're setting things up and
urban Meyer is on campus, likely they're telling him what

(01:05:09):
his fate is going to be before they wind up
telling everybody else. Uh So, again, as soon as we
know more, and this will have updates on this coming
up throughout the rest of the show today. But late
last night we saw another situation that could completely impact
the Pennant race in Major League Baseball or all just Chatman.
Yankees closer left last night's game against the Marlins in

(01:05:31):
the twelfth inning with pain in his left knee. Threw
six pitches and he left the game. Aaron Boone said
after the game, Yankee manager, Well, we're gonna take a
look at things and see and see where he's at.
He set for an m r I on his knee.
This is where the Yankees are gonna find out if
Aaron Boone can actually manage because so far in the

(01:05:52):
regular season he has had a very charmed life. He's
put out a lineup and every guy that they've brought
up from the miners has turned into an all star.
But Landu Har great player, collaboratorius great player did hit
the skids, uh most recently. But you know, the guy
was an all story. He had three thirty the first
half of the season. Everything he has done has worked
because he has guys. I'm putting in Aaron Judge in

(01:06:12):
the lineup. I'm putting in Giancarlos Stanton in the lineup
and everything has worked, and now the Yankees are in
a crisis. They got Ellsbury out all season. Gregorious is
on the d L that they hope to get him
back soon. Clint Fraser has been out for almost a month.
Aaron Judge no timetable for him coming back. They lost
Montgomery Sabbathia. That's two fifths of their starting rotation right there.
Of course, Gary Sanchez still probably a couple of weeks

(01:06:33):
away from returning. You're talking about half of your starters
and and almost half of your starting rotation who has
been injured hurt as you have fallen now out of
contention for the American League East at some point, Aaron
Boone's gotta do something. And everything from Aaron Boone is
the same, Well, we're gonna look at this, We're gonna
move forward. I know he wants to be the consistency,

(01:06:55):
uh touchstone for the Yankees, but this is a guy that,
even by his own admission, he's not been very involved
with the team. He talked to the team a big
meeting in spring training, had a big meeting with the
team at the All Star break. Sometimes he pops into
hitting meetings or will pop into pitching meetings to say
hi to all. But by and large, he has done nothing.
He has had zero impact. It's basically been we're putting

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this team out here and we're letting things go. Yeah.
That that that's unfair. I mean, like, listen, there's there's
still the job of a manager. There's there's two or
three different jobs of a manager during different times of
this season. Are we gonna find out if he can
manage during times of crisis? Sure? I actually don't know
if this is the time of crisis. Remember this is
the Yankees to tell you, well, this is why we
got Zach Britten. Now, Britain hasn't been as good as

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he has as he was with Baltimore, or as he
was deemed to be, and some of it was a
blocker so that Boston couldn't get him or or the
Astros couldn't get him. Uh for the playoffs. But remember
the Yankees have they won four in a row, They
have a soft schedule right now, and they're going to
be would anybody would you? You wouldn't dispute they're gonna

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be in the playoffs. They'll be They'll be in the
card games. Okay, So, um, all that said, yeah, it
doesn't look good for starting pitching and rotation and going
into the playoffs, and there's gonna be a POSTI Vinus.
But like, look, they play Miami, who stinks they've uh,
they've won four in a row. Then they got four
against Baltimore, who's who's fielding a minor league club out there.

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Then they got the White Sox, you know, so it's like, look,
they're they're kind of good for a while. Like I
hate to say it is on cruise control. But this
is also what the Yankees wanted. They wanted a manager
who would manage based upon relationships and analytics. That's what
they wanted management and not feel right. Girardi was, Hey,
I want to do it by feel. I was a catcher.
I know what it's like. I've been doing this a while.

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I was manager of the places, and I do think
that his inexperience will be challenged on the fly once
he gets into the wild card game or potentially once
they get into the playoffs. But I would disagree with
the idea that would now we're going to know he
done a good job. Has he done the perfect job? Honestly,
considering all of the injuries, they've had and their lack

(01:09:02):
of stuff even when they are healthy in the rotation
and in a good rate, that in a good rotation
in comparison to what the Red Sox are thrown out there.
I've done a good job, um but managing during crisis.
I think you could. You're pointing out points of crisis.
But the fact is that they play Miami Baltimore and
the White Sox right now. I think they're good and
I think they'll be able to get healthy before they

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get back to the before they put in the wild
card game. Yeah, but I think the big point of
crisis has passed for him in that they've they've lost
the division. They were neck and neck with the Red
Sox for the longest time. When when they fell in
a lot of trouble, it was it was danger Will Robinson.
Danger is there? You know that that that Yankee plane
was losing altitude and it was nothing from him? Nothing, no, no,
no jump start. No. Hey, I'm gonna, you know, change

(01:09:45):
up to swap up the batting order a little bit.
I'm going to move this guy up here, I'm gonna
start this guy, gonna do something different with the bulp.
And now there's many subtle things a manager can do.
Doesn't always need to be I have a closed door meeting,
doesn't There needs to be things that a manager can
impact the game and say you know what, I'm coming
by defense. Maybe it's during a game where a guy
gets called out and he's out, but clearly because Aaron

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Boone is piste off, he goes out and yells and
gets thrown out of a game. There's many things that
a manager can do to to try to rally the
team a little bit, because sometimes you do get caught
in the don't look, the Yankees had had a level
of excellence for most of the season. But now but
unfortunately the Red Sox are having historically one of the
greatest seasons in baseball history. So now, but you're still
good enough. You stayed with them for the longest time

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and now basically you've just fallen out and you're happy
to just be in a one game and in the playoffs,
and they're not. They're not happy. But again, like you,
you act like like throwing bats and dudes and calling
them lollygaggers. Remember, like, look, Aaron Boone, his dad was
a manager. Okay, he played, he got he's managed by
a bunch of different guys. He's been around the sport.
I think he knows a little bit about how to

(01:10:49):
massage these egos. And oh yeah, by the way, he
has to massage the ego of Brian Cashman like George
Joe Girardi had done, had done an outstanding job with
young up and up and coming players. I mean, like, look,
this is people people seem to misremember Joe Girardi. You
go back two years ago, like I know, somehow Alex

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Rodriguez has become elevated to where now he's a saint.
Like you go back two seasons ago right around this time,
or maybe two years and a couple of weeks ago
mark to share retirement season. They told, they told the world,
hey on a Thursday, Hey Alex Rodriguez. Last game is
a Sunday. They couldn't wait to get Alex Rodriguez. They traded,
they traded away all of their weapons in the bullpen,

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and they just decided to play the young guys right now.
From that point, Gary Sanchez gets called up and hits
like nineteen home runs, like forty games or something. Aaron
Judge stunk, by the way when he got called up,
but the Yankees almost got into the playoffs that year.
Then he managed the kind of growing egos and you
know he had to to welcome back uh C C.

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Sabathia who went to rehab. He never really had a
very good rotation, like Joe Girardi did a really good job,
I thought. But what he was fighting was he was
fighting that Brian Cashman brought fourteen guys when they went
to the playoffs last year. Fourteen guys in their analytics
department traveled with the team. If you want to manage
this club, hey, you gotta be solid, steady, good with relationships.
But you also have to understand this is how we

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wanted to be managed. He's doing what his boss wants
him to do, combined with all the things he's learned
as a player. Like, look, dude, he grew up. He
grew up. I know because he grew up ten minutes
for me. He grew up on the baseball diamond in
Anaheim Stadium or in Kansas City, like he this is
how he how he wants to report himself. And the
idea that throwing bats are changing the lineup is somehow
gonna fix something when by the way, they wont eleven

(01:12:38):
of their last fifteen games. You can we can say
they're playing a softer part of their schedule, which is accurate,
But they want eleven out of fifteen after that disastrous
series when they're swept by the Yankees. So you may
Red Sox sorry, you may not like the way the
lack of energy or perceived enthusiasm or involved in the
day to day based upon your but the team seems

(01:13:00):
to be reacting okay to it. Well, it's nice that
they want to leven out of fifteen. It's too late
to save the American League East. And now you're gonna
play a one game playoff, maybe against the A's. Maybe
the pitching matchup favors you, maybe it doesn't. Maybe have
Aaron Judge back, Maybe it doesn't. That part of it's over,
Like it's nice to be all concerned and playing well now,
but the part when you needed to play the best
you have lost. What you you have lost a big

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thing of what you were trying to accomplish, that is
winning the American League East. Because that's now out out
the window. Now. Maybe they gotta piste off about it
and and they've bounced back, But there are playing teams
aren't very good. But that part of it's over. I
mean it's like, oh, it's it's so I understand what
this what this discussion? I mean I don't understand. So
what's he supposed to do. He's supposed to find a

(01:13:41):
way to bring the Yankees out when crisis happens. And
now we're at another crisis point because now here's a
Roldis Chapman out, here's a lot of guys who are
on the d L And yeah, you're winning games against
the Marlins? How many games a you're gonna win when
it comes into September? If you're missing these guys, how
are you going to manage around this? How you got
to know the guys we're gonna put in? And how
many times have you seen a guy who executes the
front office plan and is basically a de facto guy

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for the front of That doesn't work on teams, that
doesn't work, I guarantee Yankee players right now. What do
you feel about Aaron Boone? Yeah, he's fine, He's like
he's a non presence, you know, around them. But he
enables Gary Sanchez to loaf, enables him to loaf, and
does doesn't know no repercussions for not running down the
first place? What do you mean no repercussions? Like, look,

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he was whether he was hurt or suspended, he was
not on the field the next day, right, is that fair?
But he said I could have run harder. He actually
said I could have or he could have gone. There
was also a ball that got away from him that
he didn't get at. It also couldn't get at that
that he couldn't get after. And I'm sure Aaron Boone
probably knew his his groin was hurting. But it's like again,

(01:14:48):
like you can lose a guy, you gotta be very
careful about losing a locker room over how you handle things.
The fact is that after that loafing incident, it never
happened out in public, but in private, what's to say
that he didn't can front confront him. Let's just say
that that's not how it's handled. Like the idea that
he's gonna tear into Gary Sanchez when Gary Sanchez might
be heard. I didn't think it looked good. Remember Gary

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we got hard knocks to get to coming up in
a few minutes because we saw, Look, urban Meyer is
not the only headline coming out of Ohio State. We're
likely going to get a press conference at some point
in the next few hours in which urban Meyer's fate
will be known. This all the information we've been getting
over the course of the past forty five minutes here
on the show. But uh, what do you hear? How
he won the first two World Wars. Yeah, that was

(01:16:13):
a topic on Hard Knocks last night. I trust me,
you gotta hear that. But elsewhere in the NFL, the
Washington Redskins are absolutely gushing over Adrian Peterson. You know,
we talked about this yesterday. It looked like that the
Redskins were moving towards Peterson. They had brought in Peterson
and Jamal Charles and Orleans darkwa and they decided to
go with Adrian Peterson. And after his first practice they

(01:16:36):
signed him. Yesterday went through a practice and the team
is saying many glowing things about him. He looks game ready.
Redskins head coach J Gruden said, he's a physical freak.
He's in great shape. He was standing straight up. He
could have gone on working out for another two hours
or other guys were huffing and puffing, keeling over. So
here's Adrian Peterson wearing out number twenty six, not wearing

(01:16:58):
twenty eight with the Redskins, because is that's Hall of
Famer Darryl Green and the reds can say all great
things about him, but the flip side is he's no
lock to make the opening day roster right now. He's
in the mix with Chris Thompson, Rob Kelly. I just
I disagree that he would to sign their FI if
he wasn't making the roster. I don't know the end

(01:17:19):
of choice. I mean, who else was calling? Adrian Peterson
can have the running back injury? No, but you you right,
they have two running backs injured and their top two
running backs are hurt. He wouldn't have signed there unless
he was guaranteed a spot. That's that's the way it works.
You sit there and go like, look, I'll come meet
with you, but I'm not. I'm not signing unless I'm
absolutely on the because if you get cut before opening day,
then there is no additional call. So um do do

(01:17:42):
I do? We know how his because the thing is
not the thing with an older running back. And by
the way, there is an irony too, the idea that
he can't play well into his thirties and he can't
wear Darryl Green's number. Remember Dale Green was the guy
that ran like a four or four. When he's forty
years old, right, he could still he could still un
way older than he ever should have been able to run. Um.

(01:18:05):
But uh, the look the thing about when you get older,
he is not There's a Toby Keith song. Right, it
goes like this big solo cup. I ain't No, I
ain't as good as I once was, but I'm as
good once as I ever was. So the idea with
Adrian Peterson coming in in shape, signing being ready to
go and being an incredible tip top physical condition is awesome.

(01:18:27):
But the harder part when you get in your thirties
as opposed to your twenties is your recovery. How do
you look the second day when the lack of the
acidic builds up and all of a sudden you're sore? Right?
How do you It's not week one, it's week two.
It's not weak too, it's week three. Remember these dudes
have been going through camp. They're sore, they're beating up.
They played full contact, they've done eleven on eleven, they've
done some of the scrimmages, they've done some of the

(01:18:48):
preseason games. Whatever. Like they're they're not the best, but
they can They can still come back and be of
what they are at at optimal. Whereas he's pent to
that yesterday, what is he today? And maybe more importantly,
once they get into the season, can he maintain the speed,
quickness of looseness his body once he starts to take
a beating, and that we just don't know. I think

(01:19:10):
we've already seen it. We saw last year it didn't
work out with the Saints, and what happened when the
Saints let him go their offense blossom because we saw
the guys to give the ball to re Marking or
when Alvin Camarraa. Why because they were younger, they had
better bursts and they were they were guys that were
just better than Adrian Peterson's. Okay, so maybe you know
he's got younger guys on him. Now he goes to
Arizona where David johnsons out they need somebody, and he

(01:19:31):
has a couple of decent games and four or five
games that are just yeah. So we've seen him now
on two different teams it not work out. Why is
a year later and uh, you know, now thirty three
and coming in late in camp, how is this going
to be any different? Um? I don't necessarily think it
could be different, But like, look, in fairness, I agree,
it's it's not I'm not agree with you. It's obvious

(01:19:53):
New Orleans got better once he left. Because just like
in basketball, there's only so many shots, there's only so
many carries, and you know, they just needed they needed
one guy between the tackles that was Ingram, and then
needed one guy to where they could use him as
a hybrid or Reggie Bush type, and they found up
kind of the perfect mix, and he was you know,
he's got a guy who's used to being a thirty

(01:20:13):
carrier game guy. It's really hard. I think in this
particular case it could work because Washington has had a
running game the past couple of years anyway, um especially
going back to kind of last year, but they had
two good running backs that both got hurt. And I'm
sure he's thinking, look, I at this point in my career,
if I'm first down and second down, he just give
me the ball and it's three yards in the cloud

(01:20:36):
of dust, and I get fifteen to twenty carries, I
can still be solid. I think with reasonable expectations you
can get reasonable output. My question is what happens obviously
when pet Ryan comes back, but what happens once you
get to the third, fourth, and fifth week of the season.
Do I think he'll ever be Adrian Peterson m VP?
Like No, And I think he's Adrian Peterson yards. No,

(01:20:57):
But could he be workhorse Frank Gore type. There's no
reason he can't, no reason he can't. But he's not
one of those guys though. That's a three yards in
the cloud of dusk guy. What was What was the
deal about Peterson Is he would get carries a game
and he would be stuffed. And he's almost like Barry Sanders,
where Barry Sanders could have like fifteen carries in a
row for negative three yards and then one run for
eighty five yards and suddenly he's having a great day.

(01:21:18):
That's who Peterson is. Not quite to that extent, but
it's bottled up, bottled up. Hey, I break this off
here for fifteen I break this off for twenty five
or something. Look, he's having a great day. He's not
going to get those carries. He's not going to get
that volume. Look he's this is Carmelo Anthony in Houston. Oh,
he's a run, he's a he's a ball stopper. Know
he's he's Carmelo Anthony in Houston. Um, theoretically, should Carmelo

(01:21:42):
Anthony work in Houston? Theoretically, Yeah, at this point in
his career, if you bring him off the bench or
if you play him with the second team, where you
get all get a bunch of shots. A guy who's
used to twenty five shots a game gets ten shots
a game against inferior competition. Should be great because he
has plays playing against your competition. He can still get buckets.
He can still be himself. But the mental aspect of hey,

(01:22:05):
I've always been a guy gets introduced. I've always been
a guy that gets gets gets the gets the big shot.
I've always been a guy you get the ball to
when the game's on the line. For Adrian Peterson, he's
still average over three and a half yards to carry. Theoretically, theoretically,
he gave him ten twelve carries a game, and you're fine,
and his production should be better because he doesn't have

(01:22:25):
to expend as much energy into his thirties. That's theoretically.
The problem is in sports, Adrian Peterson hasn't been a
backup ever since he started playing football, right, He's always
been the guy, And much like Carmeno Anthony, the league
has moved away from mid range and post up, especially
Houston Rockets, the league has moved away from these type
of facts. They get it thirty five times a game

(01:22:46):
and just mash you, mash you, mash you until they
break one. So on paper it should work. But games
don't occur on occur on paper. They incur. They occur
inside television sets. If he wound up being someone that
could catch the ball to the back, soul I would say, okay,
but if you're gonna have a guy that's gonna give
you three yards, While you could have Rob Kelly give
you that, you could have Chris Thompson give you three yards,
these guys can give you three yards on a carry,
can they? Surely? Ken We've seen that. We said that

(01:23:08):
they give you three of that. That's that's their career average.
But but this is a guy who's done it in
the NFL for the last ten years. Knows how to
read a team, knows how to read a defense, knows
where what hole to put the ball into. Jason Smith
Doug Gottlieb in for Dan Patrick Twitter at how about
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Ohio State and coming up next way, doll you hear
what happened last night on Hard Knocks, Des Bryant and

(01:23:30):
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and the Beatboxing Doug Gottlieb, you're kind of kind of

(01:23:51):
human beatboxing. Human beatboxing is not just a it's any
kind of noises. Don't you watching It's Perfect movies. Yeah,
human beatboxes. It's called human beat But you can do
many different beatboxing, you know. But I thought that was
more humming along to the background of the no no no,
no no no no no no no no no no. Well,

(01:24:14):
it was very good that you can do it. I
had no idea. In the old days, human beatbox was
just right right, was right right. But now it's evolved.
Like I said, watched the Pitch Perfect movies, and I'll
tell you it's an entirely new world you're open up to.
My daughter likes to beat box because she likes the
music from Pitch Perfect. Who doesn't like Perfect? It's like
that was like the first PG third team my kids

(01:24:35):
have ever got to watch. Now, they watched The Mega Dead.
Their grandma wasn't Toad lest week She took us to
see the meg It was awesome. Great, you want to
go to the beach and they know it's a mega
down any nightmares, everything, okay because my daughter just saw
it to Love Love I think it was. I think

(01:24:56):
it's it's such a suspension of disbelief that it's like,
you know, plus he was, he was. It's it's interesting,
like what they learned, you know, you learned little things
from it. What's the Marian's Trench or something like that,
Mariana Trench, Mariana Trench, right, He's like, Dad, it's not
really real. But they went down to Mario below Marianna's
Trench and that's where the Megalodon was. Like, how did

(01:25:17):
you know that Marianna's Trench was, Yes, the deepest part
of the of the ocean. Like it becomes a fact.
Just you know, Hollywood, if you make a movie, you
better make sure you get your facts straight. Well, it is,
Marianna Trench is a real thing. No, I noticed. Make
sure you know you get every little I'm not I'm
using His kids are going to that's that's a history.
Listen for children. That's how I've learned stuff. Yeah, well

(01:25:38):
I got, I got just real quick, can I give
you one fealty this. I should put this on red
and see where it goes. The Avengers who disappeared and
died at the end of Infinity War right for anybody
who hasn't seen the New Avengers. I didn't say which
ones died, but the ones who died, right, the ones
who died turned into what about this? They're the ones

(01:26:00):
that are alive. And the ones who are left alive
that we think are alive are really dead and they're
living in an alternate reality that the ones who disappeared
that turned into acts like oh my god, they're the
ones that are really alive. It's great. I do not
know how that pertains the sports, but it's a really
throw that out and put that out on redd it.
If you know, if twitters, I always say twitters like

(01:26:20):
the Wild Wild West Reddit is like through the looking glass.
It's like it's like you go, yeah, and suddenly the
mad Hatter is next to me and we're having a
tea party. That's what redd it can be. Uh, we're chasing.
As soon as we find out more information on the
Urban Meyer situation, we will bring it to you. The
headline this morning, the board of Trustees at Ohio State
have deliberated the findings of a two week plus investigation

(01:26:43):
into urban Meyer and how others may have mishandled domestic
assault accusations made against former assistant coach Zax Smith. The
meeting began shortly after nine am Eastern time, and a
vehicle registered registered to urban Meyer was park Wednesday morning
outside the building where the trustees were meeting. Now, this
could be urban Meyer getting fired, It could be him

(01:27:05):
getting suspended if he him getting zero discipline, But in
the words of board Chairman Michael J. Gasser, the board
was gathered to discuss personal matters and the employment, compensation
and discipline of a public official. So that could, like
I said, it could mean anything. We also got reports
a little bit ago from Ery Wasserman, who covers Ohio

(01:27:27):
State for the athletics, said there is a door being
guarded that behind it our chairs and the Ohio State backdrop,
which is strong evidence. A press conference will occur later
on today. And you know we've talked about this last
hour in the show. As soon as we know more,
we will bring it up and and give you the
latest on it and the feeling. Tomorrow's entire show is
going to be all about the fallout from whatever happens

(01:27:48):
with Urban Meyer today. But elsewhere in Ohio, it's like
Ohio is the center of the sports universe today. Last
night we had the newest episode of Hard Knocks, and
there's a couple of big things to get into from
the episode us night that's following the Cleveland Browns and
chronicling their adventures in the preseason. And surprisingly, the star
last night wasn't Baker Mayfield. It wasn't Jarvis Landry. One

(01:28:11):
of the big stars that we met for the first
time was Bob Wiley. Bob Wiley, who is the offensive
line coach for the Browns, and he's a guy you
look at him and you would say, if you say,
what does this guy do for a living, He's He's
a line coaching in the National Football League. He's straight
out of Central that's what he does. Yeah, that's what
you want. Uh, there's a big name of him. When
he's calling hout hut, you see his belly moves to
the to the exact same time as him saying hut hut.

(01:28:33):
But he saved his best analogy for when he tried
to talk about why players don't need to stretch fancy
with bands and all kinds of crazy stuff, because we
won two world wars without all that kind of crazy technology.
Take a listen, World War one, World War two. All
those guys are four in at war. Right, they didn't

(01:28:54):
push ups, jumping Jack's sit up to climb, go up
and ran, but none of his fancy okay, right, and
they won two world wars, two world wars, but doing
jumping jack's, push ups and sit ups two world wars.
You think they were worried when they're running across Normandy
about stretching. Are you kidding me? Well, let me see,

(01:29:15):
give me my rubber band so I construct the run across?
Do I mean? You gotta be kidding me? You think
that's what Truman said? Hey, Mr President, you think we
can win this one? Yeah, we got guys doing jumping
Jack's and they're doing push ups and up. We're gonna
exist destroy these guys and send them back up. I
don't know that that's exactly the conversation that was going there.
There is it is? It is though funny though right,
like he actually does in a Neandrewthal way. He does

(01:29:38):
make a great point, which is like, really, do you
really need to make sure your t bands are loose
before you get out and play football. When when you know,
like look, you can do push ups and sit ups
and you know, and and lunges with no weight and
be perfectly fine. I look, it's it's funny and it

(01:29:59):
there's there's a lot to a place. He got the
gut that moves every time he yells high. Yeah, that
amazed on a lot of push ups and said up lately,
that's it's really amazing. Um. I always always loved like
the fat coach that yells at other guys for being
out of shape too. That's always that's always amazing to me.
I was waiting for a Rocky four reference. You think Rocky, Well,
look at Rocky beat dress. Sorry spoiler alert, you Rocky

(01:30:19):
beat Dragon. You saw Rocky he was like Lee was
lifting stuff up. He's running through the snow. You are.
Dragon was taking needles and compu boxing and training on
all this exotic stuff. And what happens. Beat doesn't make
a good Rockle pulls this one out right, I don't know. Um,
he does make a good point though, I don't remember
anybody and saving private private Ryan going oh oh, hammy, hammy,

(01:30:40):
hey me, I'm at two to four. I'm at I'm
at two to four with a with a hammy. I thought,
my my big takeaway was des Bryant being, you know,
parading himself around. And I don't even mind the you know,
the shugging everybody in, the half handshake, half hug dapping
everybody up walking in. You know, Hey, I'm I'm I
just I want to just kind of fit in act

(01:31:01):
like I know everybody. I thought he looked like a
guy who so doesn't get it right, so doesn't get it.
He looked like a guy who it's too soon for
him to be on a date, right. He was in
a long relationship, sure, and it's it's just too soon
because he's still talking about even without talking about the X,

(01:31:22):
he's talking about the X. He shows up and des
Brian has a spiritual Gangster uh cut off T shirt
and you could say, like, look if you if I
had arms like that, I would never wear sleeves. That's great,
but you're also not on a job interview. And even
if you want to wear the spiritual gangster shirt and
some shorts, like you can't take your headphones off when
you come in for a meeting and when when he

(01:31:45):
was asked um by Hugh Jackson, like what he's looking for,
he said this, just did this no to me? Just
being honest, just being on a the way you expressing yourself.
What are you talking to me? I barely know each other.
I feel comfortable, you know. It's like that's what that's

(01:32:09):
what these players want. Just I'm just I want to
just be honest with you. I just want that real
illness because I'm gonna give you who I am. I
feel like I'm an easy person to talk to. I
love I love learning. I want to know things, you know,
if it's something I'm not doing right, I want to
know those things because I feel like, you know, we
all deserve that, we all deserving an opportunity, right, Like

(01:32:31):
listening he he wants and it's a it's something that
somebody clearly told him that he has. People perceived him
as being uncoachable. But I don't think you're coming for
a job interview dressed for the job that you want, right,
You're the veteran, You're supposed to come in and you
want to be real. What you're still saying to us
is you can't go over the fact that you feel

(01:32:52):
like the cowboys lied to you. Um, and you think
that the reason that you're out on the street is
because the percept and is that you're uncoachable. Look, you're
trying to get a new job. You're trying to be
the vet. I want to learn, but I also want
to teach. I got these younger players. He should sit
there and go like, look, Jarvis Landry wants to get

(01:33:12):
to the heights that I've been to. You got Josh
Gordon who knows more about overcoming off the field stuff
than I do, but he doesn't look the part. Like again,
you want to be real, Like it's great to be
real and have your headphones. But you take him off
and you put on it's you not to put on
a suit and tie, you know, I put a collared shirt,
but just put on a shirt and put on some

(01:33:34):
pants or or were nice, you know, nice shorts and
a nice shirt and walk in and look everybody in
the eye and understand ask questions, but also have the
answers prepared. He just kind of came in and winged it,
and that's what he did. And it looked like a
guy who winged it. He looked like a guy who
wasn't ready to be on that first date. That steel

(01:33:54):
in his back of his mind was trying to I
just I needed something to be honest with me, because
the last place was an honest with me. I need
you to tell me that you're into me if you
order for me to want to date you. I just
thought it was either too soon for him to be
on a date, or it may be the fact that
he can never get over the relationship which was lost
with the Dallas Cowboys. See, I don't think this is

(01:34:14):
about the Browns at all. What happened to have Dez
Bryant end up in Brown's camp. First couple of weeks
of hard knocks come on, Jarvis Landry becomes a big sensation,
giving that big, fiery meeting to the other wide receivers.
After a couple of days of practices, and he realizes, Okay,
there's something going on with the Browns. They're getting a
lot of attentions. As you said this week, if you're
gonna stink, at least be entertaining. The Browns are definitely entertaining,

(01:34:38):
and there's something that cuts through. Des Bryant says, Hey,
I'm gonna start my visits next week. No one was
waiting for him to come visit their team. Nobody was
I'm gonna start in Cleveland. Why is he going to Cleveland?
Because it's a PR move And I guarantee you him
and his agent got together. I talked to you know what,
go see the Browns and let them see who you are,
and get out there and we'll get your Your name

(01:35:00):
will be relevant again. It'll be talked around NFL circles. Hey,
Des is there, and and that's what he wanted to do.
He wanted to go to Cleveland. He wanted to accomplish that.
He got the meeting with Hugh Jackson. Here, I'm telling you,
I'm gonna be real. I want to do all these things.
He went into the equipment room and tout of the
equipment guys. He tried to do the best as he
thought he could to try to rehabilitate that image and
get people talking about Des Brian again. I don't think

(01:35:21):
he wants anything to do with the Browns at all.
I think he's hoping that this was going to be okay.
So they go. People got to see it because people
all around the league see it. You know, look, I
I all the PR thing for him great and the
but the I don't think the PR is good coming
out of it because I do think that it's transparent,
but more than transparent. If he if you're bringing Dez

(01:35:42):
Bryant in, he has to come in understanding, Hey, dude,
you're not the guy anymore. You're the vet now right,
You're not. You're not in your twenties, you're in your thirties.
You gotta come in completely buttoned up, completely accepting of
your role and of your responsibility on and off the football,
teach our younger players what to do and maybe more importantly,

(01:36:03):
what not to do. And it wasn't just a job
interview with the with the Browns. He's a job interview
with the league. And this is what so many people
don't understand about their own place of business and athletes.
It takes until you're out of sports to really understand.
Is they all talk and yes, they all watched that show.
But a lot of guys in league offices don't have

(01:36:24):
time to watch what's going on with the Browns. They
just don't. They're worried about their own ninety cutting down
to fifty three. But you go into Clifland, how is
deaz he was des what's that mean? He kind of
came in with like Daz, he has headphones on and
George sleeve. He didn't really have much to say. He
said kind of all the right things, which you didn't
feel like he really meant it. Like they all talk
and I would agree with you. It wasn't just a

(01:36:44):
job interview for the Browns. The job interview for thirty
two teams, and I'm sure plenty of them were like
hard pass hard pass. Well, certainly walking in he'd have
one strike against me because you can't wear your headphones
come in until I mean you come on, I mean
come in like you're doing. But that's what that's part
of it. He thought, I got this and I'm gonna
be me and I can do my own thing, which

(01:37:05):
is what he's thought from the beginning. Oh, three years
twenty one million with the Ravens and I want something
more than that. Dude, latrelle Spree will remember what he
did three years twenty one million. I got a family defeat.
Yeah you're going you're the guy down that same path.
He did not play in the NFL again because he thought,
oh I need more than that. I need more than this,
because this is who I am as a player. No,
you're a diminished player just because you think you are

(01:37:27):
still the same player you were. Everybody knows. Boy, the
last three years you have not been very good. So
that's why no one is trying to sign you. So
he need no, he doesn't just need an agent to
tell Okay, go and do this pr thing, but go
and do it the right way. But he has not
had people telling truth to power in quite a long time,
because his career path would have been a hell of
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(01:39:35):
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and you know, outside of all the big NFL stuff
we talked about today, baseball, we'll get to a big

(01:39:56):
baseball story coming up in a couple of minutes. Kobe Bryant,
it name resurface the last couple of days, heavy in
rotation because it's been implied that he will come out
of retirement to play in the Big Three. They're not
this year, but next year. This is something that's kind
of game momentum until it was squashed by one of
his advisors who said yesterday, look, Kobe is not coming

(01:40:17):
out to play in the Big Three. Forget about it.
He's not gonna come He's not gonna show up he's
done playing basketball. This is the reality for Kobe Bryant.
And I can't say I'm surprised because this is Kobe
Bryant has moved on in his life. He has moved
on to things that he sees just as big an
act as basketball in a different world. He is a

(01:40:38):
venture capitalist. He is funding things. He is a money guy.
He's an Oscar Award winner. You know, once in a
while he comes down and does something involving basketball, which
is like, hey, now I'm gonna come back and help
a little bit. So he always keeps his toe in
the game because he knows, Look, this is what's made
him who he is. But he has moved on from
basketball in his life. Now. Listen, well, in terms of

(01:40:58):
him playing basket, he has his daughter's team which he coaches,
uh Mamba Inc. And then of course other some NBA
players like very well funded MoMA which um and you
have Jason Jason Tatum of course came out and he's
worked with other players. He advises some players in the
in the NBA, and he does so kind of privately
and doesn't doesn't do the show. But the idea of

(01:41:20):
him playing in three on three where it does fit
into who Kobe is and just I'll play anytime anywhere.
The problem with is his last game was sixty points
and while it's not Michael Jordan's hitting the game winning
shot against the bull against the Jazz, which should have
been Michael Jordan's last shot, it shouldn't have come out

(01:41:40):
of retirement for the Wizards and try and fix things
for the Wizards, which he kind of screwed it up
as um as a front office executive. I think that
that that's his Derek Jeter moment. Derek Jeter five for
five in his last game, dropped the mic. He had
the mamba out. He can't go mamba out and then
oh yeah, mamba back in. Look, I've been told he's
been off that momba out mamba he I mean like

(01:42:02):
President Obama copied the mamba out right, When when the
President United States copies your end of speech like you've
officially made it, if you hadn't been crossed over, if
you hadn't made it before. He was offered a crazy
amount of money to play in China, turn it down.
I'm sure the Big Three has offered him a crazy
amount of money. I agree with you, he doesn't play

(01:42:22):
basketball anymore. He's no longer a basketball player. And in
addition to what he was able to do with your
basketball and win an Academy award, he also now we
read what is it last week that the six million
dollar investment or whether the six million dollar equity stake
that he took in a sports drink is not worth
but two hundred value to two hundred million dollars once

(01:42:44):
it's been linked to Coca Cola worked with a cross
promotion with it. So I I think it's one of
those things which, look, the Big Three has become a thing.
You have a legitimate quality, former All Star NBA players
playing in it. I don't think it will get to
the point where Superstar ever playing three on three because
when they're done, they're done. Well. Two things with with Kobe,

(01:43:05):
you know you talk about the imprint of his final game,
is that yesterday was one of the craziest days that
this country has had in quite a long time, with huge,
incredible news items dropping one after another, and you look
at Twitter and you look at what's trending, and you
saw a Manapoor trending and you see six seventy five
thousand tweets Okay, then you saw you know, Cohen treating

(01:43:27):
trending and it was, you know, four seventy five thousand
tweets and it was six hundred thousand tweets. Kobe Bryant
has sixty and his final game ends, and in those
final few minutes, you get to the top of Twitter
and it was Kobe Bryant two m You're talking about
two million people. I've never seen more people tweeting about
one topic on Twitter at a time. Then we see

(01:43:48):
two million people on his last game. That's how big
that sixty point that last game was. Is that you know, look,
maybe it would have been this way and in the past,
you know, Jordan hitting the jumper over, you know over
and Russell to win. You know, maybe it would have been,
but that too, that tells you that moment, it's really
hard to come back and then go, I just walked
out absolutely on top. I just I just want I

(01:44:10):
can and everybody knew it was my retirement game, you know,
to come back out and play. You know, what's the win,
what what's the what? What's a win for him to
come unless it's oh, I'll come out and play and
here's whatever money you're gonna give me. It's gonna go
to this charity. It's gonna go here, It's gonna go there.
You know that's the only win. But really is that
going to be a win, because if he comes out
and he plays, boy looks like Kobe hasn't played in
a while. You know that that's a loss for him,

(01:44:32):
right I. I just he had to push his body
just to get it to finish. Member he had a
terrible last season. He will even tell you I was
terrible that last season. So he had to push his
body to limits. And you run the risk of getting hurt.
You run the risk of hurt your name. If he
needed the money or if he wanted to donate the
money to charity. I just I think it goes counter
to the I've always been a play for the love

(01:44:54):
of the game. Guy. I'm you know, I'm now I
make money other places. It's it's not going to happen.
It's a great pipe dream for ice Cube to have.
And I think it's one of those things which you're flattered,
right Like it's one of those things I take it
as flattering when somebody asks, be basically begs a guy
to play, even though a league is being very, very successful,
but it's it's not gonna happen. How do they not

(01:45:16):
called the ball family LaVar, le Angelo, and LaMelo? How
they not called them to come play? Well, um, I
know you need more than three guys, but I mean,
first of all, Alonzo can't play because he plays. No
LaVar would play, and then you would have LaMelo shooting again.
That's when you that's when you like it doesn't become
a legitimate league right there. There have been Ice Cuba

(01:45:38):
said this before, like he's like, dude, I got plenty
of like rappers and entertainers that want to play, but
we want to make this legit thing about legit basketball players.
And I do think that becomes once there's once there's fights,
and once they're like legit fist fights, and once you
put entertainers on it, that's you know, it's jumped the shark.
That's the that's when Fonzi's officially jumping jump into the

(01:45:59):
shark with a three. Once you see the game out
there playing in a in a three on three on
Fox Sports one or on Big Fox, then you then
the big threes officially jumped the shark because the players
actually a lot better and like, look do you have
Baron Davis. You got some of these dudes. They are good,
They got good players. Um, you you play basketball with
a lot of other guys that played in the NBA

(01:46:20):
have been college best. I could not play in the
three and you guys couldn't play. You and Miles Simon,
those guys that's gonna be playing, You couldn't do it. Miles, No,
I don't think I don't. You'd have to ask him.
He probably he he probably like, look, if I trained,
I got in shape, I could play. But he would
probably say no, I mean I don't think he could.
He could probably do it, uh, he trains. He obviously

(01:46:42):
as a coach assistant coach of the Lakers. He could
probably do it and do it pretty well. But I
know I couldn't go up. It's only half court. Don't
to worry about run. It's not about going up. And
like first, they're they're just better because guys are really
really good. Like those guys were all legit NBA players,
And yeah they're longer in the tooth and they don't
of us quickly. But it's not a game about speeding
quickness anymore. First of my game is better in the

(01:47:04):
open court than it is in the half court. I
wouldn't be strong enough to play in the low post
against those guys. Am not a good enough shooter to
stretch them out like I don't. I'd have to be
happy to coach because my team would shoot all threes
and all fours. But I I couldn't play that. What
I tell you about going to the basket, you stay
back out behind the ark and shoot, no question, do
the math, do the math, take those four point shots,

(01:47:26):
do the absolute out. Fox Sports Radio, The Dan Patrick Show,
Jason Smith, Doug Gottlieb in for Dan. Meanwhile, another big
story out of l A Today we saw a big
trade in Major League Baseball. Yesterday we saw the National
a couple of trades. They waved goodbye to Matt Adams
and more importantly, Daniel Murphy, who they trade away to
the Chicago Cubs. The Cubs have not been hitting well lately.
Murphy has been raking ever since uh the All Star breaking.

(01:47:49):
Look the guys, one of the best hitters in Major
League Baseball's hitting three hundreds, like three fifty since the
All Star Break. But what's kind of got lost in
the story. Okay, Daniel Murphy got traded and Matt Adams
and Nationals are waving the white leg. Bryce Harper nearly left.
They tried to trade Bryce Harper ahead of the deadline
the end of this month, and one team claimed him

(01:48:09):
on waivers, but according to the Nationals, we couldn't figure
out to deal with this team, so they pulled Bryce
Harper back. According to reports, that team is the Los
Angeles Dodgers, and they couldn't work on a trade to
get Bryce Harper for the last six weeks of the
regular season. Now, this really shocks me that the Dodgers
make this move. Okay, and maybe you get Bryce Harper

(01:48:31):
and you have a big run and you can convince him,
hey he stays and suddenly you didn't think you're getting him,
you get him or he helps you win. But you know,
I feel like the Dodgers gonna look after their bullpen.
You know. It's like it's one thing said, Okay, it's
great to have Bryce Harper, but you see where you're
Probably your problem has not been hitting the baseball. Your
problem has been you know, the six, seventh and eighth
innings have been just absolutely crushing you. But but like
look if if if you get him on the cheap.

(01:48:52):
You take him on the cheap, of course you would, right, So, like,
I understand that you want to bullpen help. But if
somebody says, like, hey, you don't have to give up
much to get Bryce Harper, and I actually I don't
think this is a big It's not a big departure
for the Nationals to put them out there on waivers.
It's not you know, getting rid of two other very
good players. Um, actually, I think would help the Nationals

(01:49:15):
in what they're doing. This is nothing more than what
the Yankees accomplished two years ago. Right, This is what
the Yankees did is the Yankees knew they were going nowhere,
so they got to share to retire, and then they
told Alex Rodriguez to get lost, and then they trade
away as many pieces that they could, all while telling you, like,
are all this Chapman like, look, we want you back
next season, but we we know we have to turn

(01:49:37):
over the roster in order to be competitive. They didn't
get rid of the best picture in or one of
the two or three best pitchers in the National League. Uh,
they didn't, you know, they didn't didn't change any of
their starting pitch and they didn't really get any of
their younger players, and the idea that this means they're
bidding a dude to Bryce Harper. It doesn't. They put
him on. He could have been traded at the trade deadline.

(01:49:58):
Nothing about that they felt like was a approved value
and they couldn't work out a deal with the Dodgers.
Bryce Harper is going to stay based upon one the
bottom line and then two, does he think they can
get back to the playoffs somewhere they've been for the
last six years. Yeah, I don't know the Washington Nationals
really know what they're doing or what they want to
do with Bryce Harper because he's a guy they want
to keep. Now, I can't keep Price Harper. I can't

(01:50:18):
give a guy four hundred million dollars or three hundred
million dollars because you've had the best of Bryce Harper
and you've not gotten the World Series. So now if
you're investing that much money in him, you need to
invest more money around him to get better. You've had him,
and you've had Max Scherzer, and still you've not been
able together. You had an all star team two years
ago and you still couldn't get to the World series.
The season goes on, and I'm figuring, okay, they're they're

(01:50:39):
gonna try to resign him and keep him. He's there star,
they gonna keep in DC. And then the night before
the trade deadline, the National's announced, Hey, we're taking phone
calls on him. You want to call for Bryce Harper. Okay,
it's a bit of a mixed message, but okay, but no,
no now. Then suddenly Mike Rizzo says, oh, I didn't
get any offers. We want to keep Bryce Harper, not
trading him. Then why did you tell other teams that
you're taking offers. You want to say, do dilla gents, Okay,

(01:51:00):
that's fine, but now you're trying to pass him through
waivers so you could potentially trade him. And if I'm
Bryce Harper or or I read the teles and this said, okay,
they tried to trade him, they tried to let him,
try to let him go here. This is not Hey,
we're helping Bryce Harper out by allowing him to go
to a Pennant race. Because we would have known that already.
That would have been something the Naturals would have gotten
in front of. They would have said, hey, we want
to help him out, but obviously we want him to

(01:51:21):
be a big part of our team in the off season.
He's leaving. He's going to leave. His celebration winning the
home run derby at home was like you would give
if you hit a walk off home run in the
World Series to win the World Series. He won the
home run Derby and and and he's running around and
the fans are going crazy. His jersey's coming off. There
champagne all over him, and dude, you won the home
run derby. I get it. It's home and it's the

(01:51:43):
biggest thing you've had to really celebrate at home. But
that was his goodbye. Hey, that was this moment to
say thank you for everything. This has been great. Here's
the biggest spotlight on me because he's going to move on.
If he was going to stay, the Nationals wouldn't even
consider trading him. I just I tell really disagree with you,
and I'll tell you why you have to all right,

(01:52:03):
what is his value? What can we get? Can we
get a legit top quality prospect or two or three
for him that's going back to trade deadline? Can we
get something for him because we're gonna or can the
pitch to Bryce Harper be like, look, dude, our offer
is still the same because we don't know what his
value is. There are a lot of people that believe, hey,
Bryce Harper should sign a one year, a short term deal,

(01:52:25):
million dollars, stay in d C. Because he hasn't had
a great year. You know, Um, he he hasn't had
a hasn't had a great year. He's on base three
eight one. I know, he's hit thirty thirty home runs,
so he's on pace to hit forty. But has he
has he put up the type of numbers to which
he can command three hundred or four hundred billion dollars?

(01:52:47):
Or is there the space with the Yankees? Is there?
The space with the Cubs? Is there? The space with
the teams that can pay right, Like, of the teams
that can pay how how many teams can pay that
that sort of salary? Right, Nats can, Cubs, maybe, White Sox,
um Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, Dodgers, anybody else. No, And

(01:53:08):
if those teams he wants to go higher profile, he
would just stay in Washington. If that was a case, Okay,
he's gonna go to the White Sox, a team that's
gonna be well, I'm not going to the number two
team in the market, right, So okay, so sorry, that
means the Angels are probably out. Maybe maybe, But but
what happens if in the year between now and next
year or in the off season they buy out Albert
Poolholes and they're like, look, we got Shohyo Tani, we

(01:53:29):
have Mike Trout, we got we got you, and all
of our fifteen pitchers are on d the d L
come back and you pick your manager Mike Socialists Mike
Socialist finally out at the end of the year. Like,
there's a lot of unknown there, And so I understand
that it feels like, well, you think about trading and guy,
that means he's gone. But the raldis Chapman thing leads
you to believe otherwise. And if there wasn't a conversation

(01:53:52):
between Rizzo and Scott Boris or Rizzo and Bryce Harper,
that's something else. But if they talked to like, look,
we're still gonna offer your contract, we still want you back.
We're just trying to get the best pieces in place
this season. As a wash, we need to try and
continue to get young players. And while these guys have
some sort of value, get rid of them. Look, the
reason you hold on to some of these name players

(01:54:12):
a little bit longer is to get people to one
go to the stadium and to sell season tickets for
next year. That's why the Yankees waited so long two
years ago, before they got rid of Alex Rodriguez, before
they got rid of Mark to Share, because their fear was, Hey,
no one's ever gonna re up for Yankee season tickets
with all these young guys. And what happened was they
waited and Gary Sanchez hit so many home runs. They're like,

(01:54:34):
Gary Sanchez is our next star, and they sold tickets
based upon his name. They could have traded Harper at
the deadline. They had had big conversations with the Indians
and it came down, we're getting three prospects that were
really good. Yep. They wanted Shane Bieber, who was one
of the top two prospects in the Indians organization. The
Indians said, yeah, that's a little bit too much for us.
But if you're the Nationals and you're really set settled
on this, okay, well, all right, we tried this season.

(01:54:55):
We're not going anywhere, but we'll make this trade. We'll
get three good players that are gonna be part of
our future and we'll bring Bryce Harper back to the
end of the season. And still they backed off of it.
The their message is not one where you can tell
this is what their strategy is. I don't know do
they want to keep him? Do they want it? My mind,
Bryce Harper has moved on. He knows I'm not going
to be here. I'm gonna be someplace else. Somebody else
is gonna give me money. Scott Boris has told him, listen,

(01:55:17):
the Yankees want you. They're gonna do this, this, this,
that dot somebody else wants you this. But the Nationals
really had no message to say, Okay, this is so
if one Bryce Harper, why would I really even consider him?
Like you were gonna trade me and then you're not.
And then we heard some names or even being thrown
back and forth, and then you pulled me back and okay,
he gave us a chance to make or run at things.
We haven't really made a run. We're a game under
five hundred and now you may be trying to trade

(01:55:39):
me again. You try to trade me to the Dodgers.
It didn't work out me. What kind of messages that
let's send to you look that they're obviously with chasing
the market, right people. People do this all the time
in real estate, where hey, real estate markets hot. Well,
let's let's start. Let's list our house, our houses instead
of we always thought we could get four hundred thousand
dollars for our house, Let's listen for five. Right, guy
down the streets sold for four or seventy five. They

(01:56:01):
got an angel buyer. So you listed for five, and
no sense sets it sits, it sits on the market.
You lower your price, you lower your price, you lower price,
but you already you already put down money on another house,
set of contingency. By that if you sell your house,
you've already kind of mentally moved on to selling that house.
Now you end up giving away your house for like
three seventy five below kind of market value because you
chase the market. So like, I like the fact that,

(01:56:23):
like you didn't get him away and you have you
have you can use between now and the end of
the season to show Bryce Harper you still have a
couple of great pictures. We still know you will work
for as far as contract do. I think it's a
great plan what they've been able to execute. No um
but I also understand that just because you offer up

(01:56:44):
somebody in trade and you're not willing to make that
trade doesn't mean you don't value the guy you have,
or you haven't had conversations that you still don't want
to retain him. I think the big unknown is you
can tell me that that Scott Boris says there's somebody
out there that's gonna pay four hundred million dollars. Want
to see it. I want to see it. Bring me
the show me the offer, Scott, don't tell me it's

(01:57:04):
the unnamed team. If I'm the Nationals. Everybody thinks they know.
No one knows what the market's gonna be, even though
he's far younger than the guys last year. Thinking how
many players in Major League Baseball aren't in Major League
Baseball this year because because they moved on from older
players they low balled them all. That was the story
of last season, and nobody knows the market for this
upcoming off season. Twitter at how about a Fresca Doug

(01:57:26):
at Gottlieb Show, The Dan Patrick Show, Jason Smith, Doug
Gottlieb in for Dan Today. Coming up next, we got
the latest on the Urban Meyer situation at Ohio State.
Everything we know up until this moment in time is
likely a decision could be coming at any minute. That's
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(01:57:47):
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(01:58:09):
in the paper. It's like, you know, thening the morning,
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That he was good in that movie. When I tell
you three diet cokes before you tell me something like this,
three diet cokes, I need? All right, listen. Dan always
says what we have learned, but but let's kind of
just kind of fire through a couple of things. We
just talked Nats, we talked some Yankees. Stop if you

(01:58:30):
heard of this. Four Dodgers lose again. But that that
ship be sinking. But the Cardinals win again. How amazing
is this Cardinals turn around? They're five hundred before, like
eighteen games over five d All of a sudden, the
Cardinals look like a playoff team in the National League. Um,
the old House State things should be coming down today.
Most people think that Iran Meyer is gonna keep his job,

(01:58:51):
some sort of suspension, But we don't know. You think
they should have known or should have announced it a
long time ago, right or you said if they were
gonna fire, and they would say, I think if they
had fired, they would have We would have known this
by now, and and and and look before you get
into here's here's the latest news involving urban Meyer. This
first brought to us by Pete Thamil, who covers college
basketball for Yahoo, that an unexpected twist, urban Meyer showed

(01:59:12):
up at today's meeting of the board of trustees. It
was really surprising. Rodney Dunagan, who covers the House date
Buck Eyes for w s y X six TV in Columbus,
said that urban Meyer was spotted by CRUs on campus
and the decision on his future will be made by
the president of Ohio State University the board that started
meeting after six am today going through deliberations. Michael J. Gasser,

(01:59:35):
who is the chairman of the board trying to figure
out what's going to happen with urban Meyer, said the
board was gathered to discuss personal matters and the employment,
compensation and discipline of a public official. This, of course
the board of trustees that are deliberating the findings of
a two plus week investigation into allegations that urban Meyer
and others mishandled domestic assault accusations made against former assistant

(01:59:56):
coach Zack Smith. It's been two and a half. We're
getting into close to three weeks of the story. And
had they known they were going to fire him, they
would have known by now. Not that it would have
been immediate, but after the worst comes out and you
have the the Courtney Smith text to urban Meyer's wife,
you had the press conference, or he had the interview
by Zack Smith, and then you had urban Meyer say well,

(02:00:19):
I knew about the allegations in and I passed them up.
I went up the chain of command. If there was
a huge, long ranging investigation where we needed to find
out many different things, I would agree and say yeah,
you know this is going on and we're going to
find out whatever the the outcome is. But if they
wanted to fire him, it really boils down to one thing.
Did he lie to the press on Big ten media

(02:00:41):
day when he said he didn't know anything about the
violations in two thousand fifteen? As he said previous? Lay
said post that, yes, I knew I misspoke at Big
ten Medihi, you knew was gonna happen, using and say
I just misspoke and I passed it up the right channels.
That's pretty easy to figure out. You have an eight
person panel that had people working for them. Okay, you

(02:01:01):
said you pass it up. Where's the proof? Where's the evidence?
Did you talk to Jean Smith? Did you talk to
somebody else? Did they have any documentation? There are meetings.
That's something that you would have needed just a few
days to figure out. But the further we get away
from it, the more likely it is he keeps his job,
especially since there's a large faction in Columbus that want
to see him stay and want to keep him on.
Firing him as a huge black eye for the university.

(02:01:22):
Uh yeah, I mean keeping him could be a huge
black eye for the University. Look, I don't think fourteen
days is too long too. We want to know everything
now now, now, now, now, collect all the digital data,
collect all the emails, all the phone calls, talk to
all the people, and then talk to people and pull
the video get a true sense of what's going on.

(02:01:45):
I look, I think if Ohio State really did their
due diligence and they find out that all he did
was lied to the media and he did everything else
the right way, then I still think he should be suspended.
I still think there should be a punishment because that's
that shouldn't be presentative of being a head coach, being
the highest paid member of the state of highest paid
worker in the state of Ohio for the state of Ohio. UM.

(02:02:09):
But I look, I I don't think that. I don't
think we should take anything into how many days it took.
They said, we're gonna give it two weeks. We're gonna
do a thorough investigation. Then they're gonna find the meetings,
then they're gonna meet, they're gonna vote, and that's the
process by which they set forth in place. They should
think otherwise. But I do think it's gonna be interesting
as there is some there there, there's nuanced to stories.

(02:02:31):
And one of the things that we have made mistakes
about in the past, in our in our effort and
which is a good effort and comes from the right spirit,
whether it's me too or whether it's getting rid of
domestic violence, is sometimes there's an entire story, entire picture
that needs to be painted. And I would agree that
doesn't necessarily matter in regards to urban Meyer, right, did

(02:02:53):
you know, if you know what you do about it.
But I do think there's a whole story there that
we have to have the paint the picture, pay it
before we just knee jerk react. Every domestic violence accusation
or every series of domestic violence accusation is not the same.
You take each one for what they are. You collect
the information and and you try and figure out who

(02:03:13):
did what and what happened. I do think regardless of
let's say he survives, it's gonna be a staying on
urban Meyer, right, because we're going to believe he Look,
here's the guy who had Aaron hernandez At and all
of those other knuckleheads that he and Tim Tebow supposedly
tried to save at Florida. Meanwhile, they were winning a
couple of national championships, and then he gets out of

(02:03:36):
the swamp of the SEC to go to Ohio State,
and this is one of the guys that he brings
with him. Like, Okay, this is how Urban rules. Whether
it's real or whether it's it's it's imaginary. The the
way in which it will be portrayed is Urban Meyer
does whatever it takes to win football games. I just
don't understand why you employed the guy, right, Like, nobody

(02:03:57):
was going to a house state because of Zack Smith.
And no matter what you think of his grandpa and
how big a mentor he was, you can the second
he does something wrong, you're like, hey, look, I'll find
him a job at Bowling Green. I'll find him a
job elsewhere. This is ohiost don't hire idiots is a
great way to start your day. If you're a boss
and you're hiring people, I don't hire family. Don't hire idiots.

(02:04:21):
And family is the grandson of a mentor. And if
you're gonna hire a grandson of mentor, he better be
completely buttoned up in a guy that could be a
future head coach. And that's not this guy. Yeah, but
Urban Meyers got that god complex that he can do it.
And we see this not just in a situation involving football,
but in many walks of life. Why is SO and
so spending so much time trying to shepherd this young man,

(02:04:43):
this young person on. Obviously he feels a sense of
responsibility or Hey, I can help turn this guy's life around.
I I can. I can do this, so I'm gonna
keep so That's why he stays around. That's the only
reason that would strike me as why was Zack Smith
around two thousand nine, two thousand fifteen up to two
eighteen Because he feels I can, I can do it.

(02:05:03):
I can be the guy to turn this guy. But
he's done all these horrible things you have, But I
can do it. I can be This guy's got things
going against him, he's got issue, has got this, but
I can do it. That's why uh Matt tweets the show.
What does it matter if urban lied to the media,
If you don't know the answer to that, that that's
the problem. Honestly, it's become acceptable to lie to the
media even when the media in this case Brettman Murphy

(02:05:26):
had the facts to prove that you were lying at
the time. In which you were lying. So when you're
the representative of the universe, you don't even have to
tell the truth. He didn't have That's the whole crazy thing.
He didn't have to tell the truth. Now, he didn't
have to tell what he knew. What all he could
have said is, hey, this is not the appropriate time
and places a legal matter. I'd be happy to deal
with it later. But he didn't. He lied and for
some reason, I actually know a big reason. It's become

(02:05:48):
okay to lie to the media, and that's not okay
because the media has a bunch of different jobs. Could
be a big suspension for urban Meyer, could be no suspension,
could be loses his job. Maybe Doug has it. Later
on on far Sports Radio, Jason and Doug are in
tomorrow

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