August 22, 2018 • 29 mins
It’s the Best of the Doug Gottlieb Show. Doug explains why Dez Bryant’s attire during his interview with the Cleveland Browns proves he’s not all that serious about getting a new job anytime soon, and why Channing Frye is absolutely correct when he says that playing alongside LeBron James is different than anything else you might experience in the NBA. Plus, former NFL VP of Officating and FOX Sports rules analyst Dean Blandino stops by to explain why he thinks the NFL pushed the new helmet rule too quickly.
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let's dig right in on what we saw last night.
If you if you get HBO, if you watch Hard Knocks,
you probably have either watched it or what did the
HBO go thing? And watch some of it, But that's
not everybody. To those who didn't. Um, there are two
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or three things that took place with the Cleveland Browns.
It was Dez Bryant's visit and an unknown are previously
unknown assistant coach um and their offensive line coach. Actually,
and I'm making his, uh, his presence known in in
somewhat comedic fashion. The guy's name is Bob Wiley. Bob
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Wiley is sixties seven years old. Uh. He's originally from Warwick, Massachusetts.
He went to Roger Williams College, and he has a
He is one of those classic football lifers. Don't believe me,
Bob Wiley got into got into coaching. I got into
college coaching in nineteen eighty right in so he had
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been bouncing around and coaching I think high school football
coaches at Brown on their offensive line coach Holy Cross, Ohio,
you Colorado State, with the New York Jets, Tampa Buccaneers,
Cincinnati Bengals, um the Chicago Bears, the Arizona Cardinals, Syracuse
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in the Canadian Football League with Winnipeg Saskatchewan, the Denver Broncos,
the Oakland Raiders, back to Winnipeg, and now with the
Cleveland Browns. He's also an amateur musician and an amateur magician.
He's got a daughter and a grandson, and he's a
licensed pilot. And if you had to go to Central
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Casting and find and say what does the sixties seven
year old lifer in the NFL offensive line coach look
like and sound like, it would be this guy. Here's
Bob Wiley watching the Cleveland Browns stretch and warm up
one day and uh and and longing for the days
gone past. World War One, World War two, all those
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guys they're fouring at war, right, they did push ups,
jumping Jack's sit ups to climb the up and ran.
But none of this fancy, okay, right? And they want
two world wars, two world wars, but doing jumping Jack's
push ups and sit ups two world wars. You think
they were worried when they're running acrosse, Normandy about stretching.
How kidding me? Well, let me see, give me my
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rubber bands so I could struct the run course. I mean,
you want to be kidding me. It is funny, right
that it's It's a lot like coaches get paralysis by analysis.
Players get paralysis, you know, by by technology. You know,
I can't coach. I can't go yet. I'm not stretched yet.
I haven't been stretched yet, all right, will so so
just go ahead and run and warm up and stretch.
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I need my bands. I need my my te band rollers.
That's what I need. I need my bands and my
te band rollers. Coach, it was amazing, amazing television. So look,
did he know he was miked up? Probably? But I
think there's a certain realness to it. And real is
is what Dez Bryant searched for. Dez Bryant came down
an escalator, headphones on spiritual gangster shirt shorts, but that
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was the same gear he wore when he got to
the Cleveland Browns facility. He walked around and said, what's good,
what's good? Shape? Tapping everybody, giving every everybody shugs, trying
to be friendly. Dak does excuse me saying how to
dudes playing video games? By the way, you don't ever
disturb me when I'm playing a video game, going into
the equipment room, walking around, and then he walked in
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and met with Hugh Jackson. Here's a little bit of
the back and forth. What are you looking for death,
I'm looking for I'm just looking for realness. That's how
just this new to me. Just being honest. I don't listen.
Just being honest, the way you expressing yourself. Are you
talking to me? Throwing each other? I feel comfortable, you know,
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it's like, what that's what these players want. I want
to just be honest with you. I just want that realness. Yeah,
I think he blew the interview. Look, I I do
like the idea that he said there's still more to learn.
Who doesn't like that from an older veteran employee? Somebody
comes in to me with our radio bosses, who's been
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around in a couple of tours, and everyone does think
they know stuff because they travel, they've done it. No
one wants to hear it, know it all. But when
you're surrounded by a team, especially one that has a
lot of burgeoning young talent like the Browns do, especially
at wide receiver, they also want a mentor not necessarily
a mentee. I don't know whether it's this is just
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too soon, right, it's too soon for days to be
on a job interview. He's still hurt by the Dallas Cowboys.
Uh sending him on his way. Don't believe me? Go
look at his his Twitter page going back just two
or three weeks ago. But the idea that any human
being who's been around professional sports would walk into a
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job interview, or to get off a plane for a
job interview. Look, you get off a plane, you got
headphones on, you're watching a movie on your iPod, on
your iPad. I get it. You got a nice bag,
Put the headphones in the bag. You don't have to
have a suit in a tie, you don't have to
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look like Cam Newton post game. But you mean to
tell me. You couldn't throw on a polo. You couldn't
throw on some slacks. It's a job interview. I mean,
I just you know, dressed for the job that you want. Look,
I work in I work in the greatest industry ever, right,
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it just really is. It's not always the best paying
industry in comparison to others. You know, Like I got
finance guys just kill it. Finance guys now, or what
doctors and lawyers were when we grew up. We grew up,
if your dad was a doctoral lawyer, you usually had
a three car garage house. You know. Now it's like
finance guys are all the world, or commercial real estate
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and dudes that own stuff or finance stuff or stocks
and bonds for the most part, like that, those are
the guys that are killing it. But I do work
in an industry to which I don't I know what.
Like if I go to midtown Manhattan, everybody midtown man
in the middle of winter, where's a coat and a tie,
and you're like, and in the heat of summer they
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wear slacks and a button down. And in the radio, like, look,
man in radio, you show up if you're not on TV,
shorts and a T shirt. Sometimes I even more shorts.
But if I'm going to meet with my bosses, even
in a even in an industry as casual as radio,
I'm gonna throw on a collared shirt. And if I'm
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gonna go for a job interview, damn, I'm gonna do
a little bit better than that. This to me was
was nothing more than I look. I think that Dez
didn't want doesn't want to go to the Browns because
having been a cowboy his entire career, they always look
down on the team. Like the Browns. It's a lot
like Dukies looked down on the state schools in Carolina
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and and Kentucky. You look down on but at some
point you gotta swallow your pride and just go do it.
Just go talk to the I about the job. But
between still being kind of caught in the picking out
the shrapnel of the relationship gone bad to Dallas all
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the way to uh To to not really answering the
questions and understanding what to ask and how to be,
how to be seen, but just down to how you
address I'm sure you guys have seen this right where
or heard this where women make a determination if they're
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going to you know, and like the first thirty seconds
they meet you. It's the same thing with with when
you're gonna be hired. You walk into a room and
there's just an aura about guys like I want to
hire that guy. I don't know what Adrian Peterson wore
when he went to meet the Washington Redskins. I'm guessing
it wasn't a spiritual gangster cut off T shirt and headphones.
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And I do know the spiritual gangster. It's like a
workout shirt. You wear it when you do you know,
do soul cycle or you do hot yoga. And look,
if I had arms like Dez Bryant, I would never
wear a shirt with sleeves either. But you couldn't even
take off the headphones. Really really, Joe Klaud's gonna join
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us up coming in a little bit here on the show.
Joe Cloud of course, uh, lead college football analyst for
Fox Sports. Um, I am gonna ask him about about
hard knocks. I'm gonna ask him about who's the Jim
Wyatt that he played for in college. During his travel
everybody's got a coach that was a lot like Coach
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Wyatt who had some bizarre story, some funny way of
doing it. But um man, I just I watched this
thing and I sit there and go, I really they
really want, I want desperately for des Briant to be
in the National Football League. Man be sure to catch
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live editions so the Doug Dot Leaps Show week days
at noon eastern three pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio
and the I Heart Radio. Channing Fry, of course, who's
a friend of a friend, Like I know, I'm close
with a bunch of Arizona guys who all swear by him.
And then I got friends who are his neighbors in
poor former neighbors in Portland. There's actually something called the
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Lebron Wire on us say today they sat down with
Channing Fry. I'm read you the quote in its entirety
and then kind of decipher it for you. Quote. I
think they they being the Lakers, are gonna come into
and I think a lot of guys are gonna have
to deal with this. There's who you expect to be
and then who you are when you play with Lebron.
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It's two different things. I don't know if they truly
understand what it's like to play with him, because there's
no room for mistakes. Because in all actuality, he could
do it him self. You get to lead a team
to forty wins by himself. I think all of them
they are going to have a reality check, not only
them but the people around them. They're going to say
not a growing period, but a humility. The Lakers last
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year they established how they're going to play, Gonna play
really fast, gonna play together, gonna play defense. But now
you've got Lebron, now you've got Rondo, you've got all
these guys. People are like, yo, we're trying to beat
the s out of you guys. Now everybody is not like, hey,
let's go party in l A. Now, it's let's stay
in and get some sleep. Because think about it, every
team that beats the Lakers is gonna be on ESPN,
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regardless of how good they are. If you have a
good game against the Lakers, you're gonna be on ESPN
the next two days, hottest news every game. So get
ready for that. Get ready for all the attention that
comes with Lebron, all the responsibilities. Get ready to try
and deal with getting popular and getting invited to everything.
You have a million followers, get ready to have two.
If you have to get ready to have four, get
ready to get invited. Literally everything in Lake is You're
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the hottest ticket in l A. In that medium, he
also went on to talk about how Lebron James establishes
what role you are. Let's first start with the first part.
I I I said this when I hosted Colin Coward.
I've said this on this show. I I The idea
that the world occurs in a vacuum, that all NBA
games are the same is laughable. They're not the same.
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Sometimes you get ready to go and these games at
the end of the season, the stats get skewed because
some teams are trying to lose, and maybe they're not trying.
They're not trying to lose, they don't care about winning.
They play younger players. And then there are teams that
they just don't care about winning, and so guys know that.
They go and they get there and they go out
on the road. All right, man, we got the pick
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the team. Lastly, we get the Suns. I'm going to
Scott's Tale night. We got a game tomorrow, Like, yeah,
we got the Suns. We'll be fine, you know, like
I've been, I've been in Milwaukee in my in my
apartment every night I get in. Now we're in Phoenix
is warm. I'm gonna stay out, have some drinks, enjoy myself.
I got the sons. I'll take a nap in the
mid the day tomorrow. Everybody is gutting for you. Duke
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players talk about this all the time, Like guys in
my position, we discuss, hey, Duke doesn't play true road
games in the nonconference. They play these made for TV
nonconference games in place like Cameron Square Guard. The one
thing about Duke, though, that they experienced that other people
do not. Kentucky gets this too, but not as much.
Carolina does as well. Is everybody gives you their best effort.
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It doesn't matter if it's a guarantee game in November
against McNee state or if it's in January against Kansas.
You're Duke. You walk in and Coach k is your coach.
And though though Johnny Dawkins isn't walking through that door,
neither's Grand Hill or Christian Layton or Bobby Hurley or
Jay Williams. That's that's who the other team is imagining themselves.
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They all want to be you. I wanted to be you.
Every game is tougher and the attention that you get
is really really hard sometimes to deal with. Man, I
can't wait to be the number one thing in this town.
Yes you can't. And then there's a reality check to hey,
you were you could do whatever you wanted playing within
the team concept last year. And you have a Lebron
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who has never played really the team. He has been
the team concept. He is the system. So it's gonna
be fascinating to see how the Lebron that James things works.
I actually think that's part of the genius to what
the Lakers are trying to do, but it could end
very poorly. Like the reason you bring in the veterans
is all those guys can be given roles and can
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assume those roles because they know that's their best way
to stay an employed with Lebron James, Inc. And then
those younger players, they're gonna search for what their role
would be playing with Lebron. I mean, I don't think
it's that hard to tell, right, Like, if you're a
Lonzo Ball, he'll play without the basketball, He'll be a
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spot up shooter with the basketball. He's got to be
a shot creator for other people. Josh Hart's gonna be
defender and open shooter. That's it Kuzma. You know, it's
Kuzma off the bench, four man's score and can Brandon
Ingram be a dynamic one on one playmaker? Does he
play without the basketball? Does he play backup point guard?
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There's a lot of different I think that's a guy
who's gonna be searching for a role. But this is
this is a little bit. There's a truth serium when
you play with Lebron James. It also points out that
Lebron James is a good teammate. He's a better teammate
than a Kobe, a better teammate than some of these
other guys in terms of how he treats people around him,
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but doesn't make it easy. Doesn't make it easy. I mean,
it's it's known in the NBA that he's gonna go
to you in the first half, whether it's Chris Bosh
or Kevin Love or whomever as a as a third option,
he'll go. He'll find you when you're open, find your spot,
deliver the ball on time and in rhythm. But you know,
make in the first half he's an't going to you anymore.
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Figure out a way to play without without getting jump
shots because he's not trusting you, he's not giving the ball.
And that's the way he deals with just about everybody.
I'll trust you to the point where I can't trust you.
Once I can't trust you more, it will take a
lot of time for you to earn back my trust.
There's a true series to play with Lebron James, and
it's going to expose which one of these guys can
which one of these guys can't play. But then there's
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the question of canny play within Luke walton system or
does he take over what Luke Walton is doing and
do his own thing. Something that's really occurred for the
most part, and how he's played in the NBA, and
it's been made only worse when he plays in Cleveland,
because he's been Both times he played in Cleveland, he
was completely empowered by their franchises because they wanted to
do everything they could to keep him. It wasn't as
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bad for the most part in Miami because he had
Dwayne Wade, because he had Chris Bosh, and because Spoelstra
was empowered by pat Riley. But it wasn't like he
was playing within some other foreign system. I think it's
A really gonna be an interesting and the idea of
a it's not just they're getting all the attention and
being the talk of the NBA me seem like a
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good thing, and it probably is for business, um, but
there's some parts to it which which let's just be honest,
some parts to it which can make it more difficult
to do business, can make it more difficult to focus.
And oh yeah, by the way, everyone everyone is is
coming at you. Everyone's coming at you, everyone's giving giving
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you their best shot. So that's the All schedules are
not the same, All records are not the same. And
I mean like, look, as we get ready for college football,
we've always you know, the the expressions throughout the record
books when your rival comes to town. We said this.
We had Kirk Farrens on yesterday. Kirk Farrens is the
head coach was of of Iowa. They play Iowa State,
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there's ay throwout the record books when they come to
town and they play Northern Iowa. Whop, that's a one
double a what is it? FCS program? And Northern i
was gonna give them everything they can because every kid
in Northern i Will wish as they were a Hawkeye
they do, and then they play Wisconsin, who's arrival. Those
are back to back to back difficult games. Even if
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in and of itself, Iowa State is not the level
of opponent of Wisconsin and Northern i was not uh
an opponent the level of of Iowa State. Use that
in the micro. The macro is kind of is comparable.
In the same sense, playing with Lebron is just different.
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It's not for everybody, and it will expose you. Fox
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Dino course, former head of officiating with the National Football League.
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Now he basically does that for us here at Fox Sports,
covering both college and NFL officiating. Obviously, Dean, everybody's talking
about the new helmet rule, and for people who haven't
been following, go back what was it about to I
don't know. An hour ago. An hour ago, the NFL
put out a statement in regards to the conference call,
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and basically a statement was, Hey, if you don't like
the rule, tough the rule is staying, but we do
want to put a note in there that inadvertent inadvertent
contact is not a penalty. What's your reaction to the
statement from the NFL today. Yeah, I mean, I think
it it's not surprising. I think the language that has
been in other rules like this, other player's safety rules
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has had, you know, a qualifier that says that that
doesn't prohibit incidental contact, and so I think it makes
sense to add that. I think it was intended, but
but it wasn't written explicitly like that. So I thin's
a good thing, a good step, and then and we'll
see how it's going to be officiated the rest of
the preseason. What do you think of the rule? You know,
I think I think the intent of the rule is good.
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Anytime you try to prohibit contact with the head, I
think that's good. I just I'm not crazy about how
they implemented it. And I think typically a rule like
this you vetted out, you have meetings with the players Association,
you get feedback from a lot of people, and this
rule was really pushed throughout the league meeting, which is
which is not not usual. Um, it's kind of unusual
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for something like this and now I think we're all
playing catch up and trying to figure out how it's
going to be officiated, how how the players and coaches
will adjust. Um is it is it safe to say
that the whole intent of the rules? It's it's it's
kind of like what Bill Belichick said, right, like, it's
not exactly how the rules written. But Bill belizis like, look,
if you see what you hit and you don't lunge forward,
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you're going to be fine. That's how we've always taught it.
And and this is an extreme kind of way of
getting that out of the out of the game. Isn't
that the intent of the rule? I think so. I
think you're you're you're dead on with that. I think
from when if you played football from a from a
young age, you're taught to see what your keep your
head up. And they put tapes out there a head
coaches like Mike rabel And and Todd Bowls and Doug
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Moron put out position specific tapes and and all you
kept hearing if you watch these tapes are these band
pads low head up, And that's what they're trying to
get to. It's not always possible to have your head
up when you're trying to get it across you know,
across the body of the grinner. But if you do
keep like coach PLI exaid, if if you can see
what you hit and keep your head up, you are
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going to be you know, you're gonna be okay as
it pertains to the rule, and it's just a safer
way to tack um. Look, here's where I I do
think that we we lose. We TV creates this kind
of illusion of how easy it is to see a
guy and how he's hitting like it's it's one thing
to put it to implement a new rule, it's another
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thing nammenteral rule, which is generally unpopular with the guys
who you're trying to make those those calls on. It's
all the things in real time. And I guess what
are I think the stake a lot of these guys
are making is they're reacting to a dip of a ahead,
even if that's not how contact is actually made. Is
that is that a fair assessment? I think that's a
fair assessment. I think that's the challenge from an officiating perspective,
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is because you have an official that's looking at it
in real time, getting one shot and so they can
see the head dip, but then they have to figure out, Okay,
did he initiate with the helmet or did he initiate
with a shoulder or a forum and was the helmet
contact just incidental And to be able to do that
in real time and a lot of times these are
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bang bang plays that that's the challenge. And I think
that's what we're saying. All right, So what if you
were if you are an officiating crew and you're getting
getting ready on a Sunday, what are you guys discussing? Well,
I think as it pertains to this rule, and I
would imagine after this conference called, the direction to the
game officials will be to call the clear cut fouls.
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I think up until this point in the preseason it's
been if it's close and think it might be a foul,
throw the flag. And I think as we start to
move toward the regular season, it's more going to be look,
if it's clear cut, throw the flag. If you're not sure,
don't throw the flag, and then they could always look
at it on tape during the week, and if it's
a fine or even a suspension, then the league will
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take care of it after the fact. Yeah, and that's
probably what's going to happen as the season goes on.
But is there a sense that, hey, early in the season,
we may not officiate as stringently as we will like
later in the year, they'll get a little bit more lenient,
allow the fines to take place. Is that um? I mean,
is that just what we imagine happening, because that's kind
of what happens with in college basketball Freedom of Movement
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NBA with the hand checking, where you're trying you're really
really strict early on, and then you just let them
play later on in the year, letting the fines kind
of take the place of it. Yeah, that tends to happen.
It tends to happen anytime you have something that's a
point of emphasis where it's it's strictly enforced initially and
then and then as the season goes on, it it's
not that they're gonna they're gonna ignore it, but you
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just don't see it as strictly enforced. I think that
also has to do with the coaches and players adjusting
and making making the necessary changes. Isn't that so you
just don't have as many fouls to call. So I
think it's a combination of those things. Dean Blandino joining
us in the Doug Galli Show on Fox Sports Trading,
I want to ask you about r p O S
has run pass options. I know that it's a it's
a term that's misused by fans a lot, frankly by
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broadcasters and former players. But but where it look, this
comes from the college game and the reason that the
college game it's so effective is offensive lineman can go
up to three yards downfield without getting without have being
an a legal man downfield, right, So you can't if
you're a defensive you're a linebacker, you can't tell based
upon the blocking scheme anymore because you can get three
yards downfield. In the NFL, it's what a yard, it's
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supposed to be a yard, it's really yard to two yards?
Is that about right? Yeah? In the NFL, the rule
states yard, but typically you don't want to call it
too tight, so you you always tell the officials two
yards is a rough guideline. You know that they're typically
clearly beyond the yard when they get to two yards.
Was that always the case or did it used? Because
because again this is we talked about when we grew
up playing. When we grew up playing, you couldn't offensive
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lineman couldn't you know, grab at all. It was more blocking,
but they also couldn't go past the line of scrimmage
at all. When when did this rule evolve to being
a little bit more like the college one. Well, I
think that that one has been a place for a
long time. I think, as you see, like you said,
in the college game, there are advantages to that three yards.
In the college game, you can block down field if
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the past doesn't cross the line of scrimmage. That's not
the case in the NFL. So there's some built in
advantages to those r PO schemes in college. I think
I think the NFL is starting to evolve and seeing
some of the advantages, although the rules aren't as aren't
as uh, you know, conducive to that. But again I
think it's it's from an officiating standpoint, that's always been
the case. You don't want to call it too tight,
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so you want to give the lineman, you know, there's
a little bit of wiggle room, but once they get
to two, it's it's it's obviously a foul. That's the
one you want to get um. The the other the
other thing that's a company bowl to this current one
is uh, well, I guess what you would call the
Tom Brady rule. There's been other quarterbacks that have been
rolled up on, right, Carson Palmer got rolled up on
by Chemo vent oh often. Um. But when Tom Brady
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towards a c L that's when the NFL chose to
to install the rule candidate guy below the quarterback, below
the knee and above the head. How much take me
back you were doing it at the time. How much
pushback was there on that rule when it was put
in place. Yeah, there was a lot of pushback because
you would hear from defensive players and defensive coaches. Okay,
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if I'm on the ground, what do I do? Well,
you can't lunge and and and drive your shoulder into
the knee of the quarterback, because that's that's a play
that we've seen results and injuries. So you've got to
try to use your arms to grab, you know, wrap
that type of thing. So there's always pushed back when
these rules go going into place, and then the players
they've they've done a great job of adjusting. I've been
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I was with the NFL in when they expanded all
the defenseless air rules and people were like, well, how
are we going to make plays on receivers downfield? And
you just see them make the adjustment. I think that's
what eventually we're gonna see with this helmet rule. They
may they may tweak it here and there, but I
think we'll see the players adjust and the officials adjust
so they can call it consistently. Look, I think there
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are two plays last year which which which pushes I
understand that a lot of people are like, hey, look,
they didn't go through the proper process, the old vetting process,
or figure out this new rule with the competition committee.
I think the Shaesier hit was a big one because
you said he I mean here he is lay emotionless.
Now he's not in the NFL, and and you're like, wow,
that's bad and it could have actually been worse, like
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he could have died. And then and then I think
in terms of the actual play, Marcus Williams whiffing on
on Stefon Diggs. How many times we see young players
come in and just try and dip their head and
not see what they hit. And that leads to an
incredible player for the Minnesota Vikings. Is it fair that
that some of this is a reaction to those two
prominent places from last season. Yeah, I think it is.
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I think you had you had those plays. I think
you had the Travaison hit earlier in the year against
Green Bay. I think that was another one that that
generated some discussions. So I think you take all of that,
but ultimately, what it came down to was the injury information,
and what the Health and Safety group at the NFL
presented at the league meeting was basically, concussions don't happen
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when the contact is with the front of the you know,
the face mask that that you see. You see very
few concussions when the force of the contact is with
the head up. And that's kind of was the last
straw in terms of putting something in that's gonna incentivize
players to keep their head up. Yeah. So it's a
great point. The NFL is like, look, we already been
sued for billion dollars. We're trying to protect you from you.
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It's really and we're not saying it's not hard, but
we've been telling you your whole life to see what
you hit. Now, let's penalize you if you if you
don't because you don't want the ultimate penalty of permanent
brain damage or or being being paralyzed. He's the former
NFL VP of Officiating. Of course, he's our VP of Officiaties.
Deemed Landino Dean. Look forward to seeing you on our
TV sets very very soon. Week zero, week zero in
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the plane before you get on the plane. This is
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of the Doug gottli Show on Fox Sports Radio. But
let's dig right in on what we saw last night.
If you if you get HBO, if you watch Hard Knocks,
you probably have either watched it or what did the
HBO go thing? And watch some of it, But that's
not everybody. To those who didn't. Um, there are two
(00:44):
or three things that took place with the Cleveland Browns.
It was Dez Bryant's visit and an unknown are previously
unknown assistant coach um and their offensive line coach. Actually,
and I'm making his, uh, his presence known in in
somewhat comedic fashion. The guy's name is Bob Wiley. Bob
(01:08):
Wiley is sixties seven years old. Uh. He's originally from Warwick, Massachusetts.
He went to Roger Williams College, and he has a
He is one of those classic football lifers. Don't believe me,
Bob Wiley got into got into coaching. I got into
college coaching in nineteen eighty right in so he had
(01:32):
been bouncing around and coaching I think high school football
coaches at Brown on their offensive line coach Holy Cross, Ohio,
you Colorado State, with the New York Jets, Tampa Buccaneers,
Cincinnati Bengals, um the Chicago Bears, the Arizona Cardinals, Syracuse
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in the Canadian Football League with Winnipeg Saskatchewan, the Denver Broncos,
the Oakland Raiders, back to Winnipeg, and now with the
Cleveland Browns. He's also an amateur musician and an amateur magician.
He's got a daughter and a grandson, and he's a
licensed pilot. And if you had to go to Central
(02:17):
Casting and find and say what does the sixties seven
year old lifer in the NFL offensive line coach look
like and sound like, it would be this guy. Here's
Bob Wiley watching the Cleveland Browns stretch and warm up
one day and uh and and longing for the days
gone past. World War One, World War two, all those
(02:40):
guys they're fouring at war, right, they did push ups,
jumping Jack's sit ups to climb the up and ran.
But none of this fancy, okay, right? And they want
two world wars, two world wars, but doing jumping Jack's
push ups and sit ups two world wars. You think
they were worried when they're running acrosse, Normandy about stretching.
How kidding me? Well, let me see, give me my
(03:03):
rubber bands so I could struct the run course. I mean,
you want to be kidding me. It is funny, right
that it's It's a lot like coaches get paralysis by analysis.
Players get paralysis, you know, by by technology. You know,
I can't coach. I can't go yet. I'm not stretched yet.
I haven't been stretched yet, all right, will so so
just go ahead and run and warm up and stretch.
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I need my bands. I need my my te band rollers.
That's what I need. I need my bands and my
te band rollers. Coach, it was amazing, amazing television. So look,
did he know he was miked up? Probably? But I
think there's a certain realness to it. And real is
is what Dez Bryant searched for. Dez Bryant came down
an escalator, headphones on spiritual gangster shirt shorts, but that
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was the same gear he wore when he got to
the Cleveland Browns facility. He walked around and said, what's good,
what's good? Shape? Tapping everybody, giving every everybody shugs, trying
to be friendly. Dak does excuse me saying how to
dudes playing video games? By the way, you don't ever
disturb me when I'm playing a video game, going into
the equipment room, walking around, and then he walked in
(04:13):
and met with Hugh Jackson. Here's a little bit of
the back and forth. What are you looking for death,
I'm looking for I'm just looking for realness. That's how
just this new to me. Just being honest. I don't listen.
Just being honest, the way you expressing yourself. Are you
talking to me? Throwing each other? I feel comfortable, you know,
(04:34):
it's like, what that's what these players want. I want
to just be honest with you. I just want that realness. Yeah,
I think he blew the interview. Look, I I do
like the idea that he said there's still more to learn.
Who doesn't like that from an older veteran employee? Somebody
comes in to me with our radio bosses, who's been
(04:57):
around in a couple of tours, and everyone does think
they know stuff because they travel, they've done it. No
one wants to hear it, know it all. But when
you're surrounded by a team, especially one that has a
lot of burgeoning young talent like the Browns do, especially
at wide receiver, they also want a mentor not necessarily
a mentee. I don't know whether it's this is just
(05:21):
too soon, right, it's too soon for days to be
on a job interview. He's still hurt by the Dallas Cowboys.
Uh sending him on his way. Don't believe me? Go
look at his his Twitter page going back just two
or three weeks ago. But the idea that any human
being who's been around professional sports would walk into a
(05:42):
job interview, or to get off a plane for a
job interview. Look, you get off a plane, you got
headphones on, you're watching a movie on your iPod, on
your iPad. I get it. You got a nice bag,
Put the headphones in the bag. You don't have to
have a suit in a tie, you don't have to
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look like Cam Newton post game. But you mean to
tell me. You couldn't throw on a polo. You couldn't
throw on some slacks. It's a job interview. I mean,
I just you know, dressed for the job that you want. Look,
I work in I work in the greatest industry ever, right,
(06:25):
it just really is. It's not always the best paying
industry in comparison to others. You know, Like I got
finance guys just kill it. Finance guys now, or what
doctors and lawyers were when we grew up. We grew up,
if your dad was a doctoral lawyer, you usually had
a three car garage house. You know. Now it's like
finance guys are all the world, or commercial real estate
(06:45):
and dudes that own stuff or finance stuff or stocks
and bonds for the most part, like that, those are
the guys that are killing it. But I do work
in an industry to which I don't I know what.
Like if I go to midtown Manhattan, everybody midtown man
in the middle of winter, where's a coat and a tie,
and you're like, and in the heat of summer they
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wear slacks and a button down. And in the radio, like, look,
man in radio, you show up if you're not on TV,
shorts and a T shirt. Sometimes I even more shorts.
But if I'm going to meet with my bosses, even
in a even in an industry as casual as radio,
I'm gonna throw on a collared shirt. And if I'm
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gonna go for a job interview, damn, I'm gonna do
a little bit better than that. This to me was
was nothing more than I look. I think that Dez
didn't want doesn't want to go to the Browns because
having been a cowboy his entire career, they always look
down on the team. Like the Browns. It's a lot
like Dukies looked down on the state schools in Carolina
(07:52):
and and Kentucky. You look down on but at some
point you gotta swallow your pride and just go do it.
Just go talk to the I about the job. But
between still being kind of caught in the picking out
the shrapnel of the relationship gone bad to Dallas all
(08:15):
the way to uh To to not really answering the
questions and understanding what to ask and how to be,
how to be seen, but just down to how you
address I'm sure you guys have seen this right where
or heard this where women make a determination if they're
(08:36):
going to you know, and like the first thirty seconds
they meet you. It's the same thing with with when
you're gonna be hired. You walk into a room and
there's just an aura about guys like I want to
hire that guy. I don't know what Adrian Peterson wore
when he went to meet the Washington Redskins. I'm guessing
it wasn't a spiritual gangster cut off T shirt and headphones.
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And I do know the spiritual gangster. It's like a
workout shirt. You wear it when you do you know,
do soul cycle or you do hot yoga. And look,
if I had arms like Dez Bryant, I would never
wear a shirt with sleeves either. But you couldn't even
take off the headphones. Really really, Joe Klaud's gonna join
(09:24):
us up coming in a little bit here on the show.
Joe Cloud of course, uh, lead college football analyst for
Fox Sports. Um, I am gonna ask him about about
hard knocks. I'm gonna ask him about who's the Jim
Wyatt that he played for in college. During his travel
everybody's got a coach that was a lot like Coach
(09:45):
Wyatt who had some bizarre story, some funny way of
doing it. But um man, I just I watched this
thing and I sit there and go, I really they
really want, I want desperately for des Briant to be
in the National Football League. Man be sure to catch
(10:07):
live editions so the Doug Dot Leaps Show week days
at noon eastern three pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio
and the I Heart Radio. Channing Fry, of course, who's
a friend of a friend, Like I know, I'm close
with a bunch of Arizona guys who all swear by him.
And then I got friends who are his neighbors in
poor former neighbors in Portland. There's actually something called the
(10:30):
Lebron Wire on us say today they sat down with
Channing Fry. I'm read you the quote in its entirety
and then kind of decipher it for you. Quote. I
think they they being the Lakers, are gonna come into
and I think a lot of guys are gonna have
to deal with this. There's who you expect to be
and then who you are when you play with Lebron.
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It's two different things. I don't know if they truly
understand what it's like to play with him, because there's
no room for mistakes. Because in all actuality, he could
do it him self. You get to lead a team
to forty wins by himself. I think all of them
they are going to have a reality check, not only
them but the people around them. They're going to say
not a growing period, but a humility. The Lakers last
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year they established how they're going to play, Gonna play
really fast, gonna play together, gonna play defense. But now
you've got Lebron, now you've got Rondo, you've got all
these guys. People are like, yo, we're trying to beat
the s out of you guys. Now everybody is not like, hey,
let's go party in l A. Now, it's let's stay
in and get some sleep. Because think about it, every
team that beats the Lakers is gonna be on ESPN,
(11:37):
regardless of how good they are. If you have a
good game against the Lakers, you're gonna be on ESPN
the next two days, hottest news every game. So get
ready for that. Get ready for all the attention that
comes with Lebron, all the responsibilities. Get ready to try
and deal with getting popular and getting invited to everything.
You have a million followers, get ready to have two.
If you have to get ready to have four, get
ready to get invited. Literally everything in Lake is You're
(11:58):
the hottest ticket in l A. In that medium, he
also went on to talk about how Lebron James establishes
what role you are. Let's first start with the first part.
I I I said this when I hosted Colin Coward.
I've said this on this show. I I The idea
that the world occurs in a vacuum, that all NBA
games are the same is laughable. They're not the same.
(12:21):
Sometimes you get ready to go and these games at
the end of the season, the stats get skewed because
some teams are trying to lose, and maybe they're not trying.
They're not trying to lose, they don't care about winning.
They play younger players. And then there are teams that
they just don't care about winning, and so guys know that.
They go and they get there and they go out
on the road. All right, man, we got the pick
(12:41):
the team. Lastly, we get the Suns. I'm going to
Scott's Tale night. We got a game tomorrow, Like, yeah,
we got the Suns. We'll be fine, you know, like
I've been, I've been in Milwaukee in my in my
apartment every night I get in. Now we're in Phoenix
is warm. I'm gonna stay out, have some drinks, enjoy myself.
I got the sons. I'll take a nap in the
mid the day tomorrow. Everybody is gutting for you. Duke
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players talk about this all the time, Like guys in
my position, we discuss, hey, Duke doesn't play true road
games in the nonconference. They play these made for TV
nonconference games in place like Cameron Square Guard. The one
thing about Duke, though, that they experienced that other people
do not. Kentucky gets this too, but not as much.
Carolina does as well. Is everybody gives you their best effort.
(13:27):
It doesn't matter if it's a guarantee game in November
against McNee state or if it's in January against Kansas.
You're Duke. You walk in and Coach k is your coach.
And though though Johnny Dawkins isn't walking through that door,
neither's Grand Hill or Christian Layton or Bobby Hurley or
Jay Williams. That's that's who the other team is imagining themselves.
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They all want to be you. I wanted to be you.
Every game is tougher and the attention that you get
is really really hard sometimes to deal with. Man, I
can't wait to be the number one thing in this town.
Yes you can't. And then there's a reality check to hey,
you were you could do whatever you wanted playing within
the team concept last year. And you have a Lebron
(14:12):
who has never played really the team. He has been
the team concept. He is the system. So it's gonna
be fascinating to see how the Lebron that James things works.
I actually think that's part of the genius to what
the Lakers are trying to do, but it could end
very poorly. Like the reason you bring in the veterans
is all those guys can be given roles and can
(14:35):
assume those roles because they know that's their best way
to stay an employed with Lebron James, Inc. And then
those younger players, they're gonna search for what their role
would be playing with Lebron. I mean, I don't think
it's that hard to tell, right, Like, if you're a
Lonzo Ball, he'll play without the basketball, He'll be a
(14:56):
spot up shooter with the basketball. He's got to be
a shot creator for other people. Josh Hart's gonna be
defender and open shooter. That's it Kuzma. You know, it's
Kuzma off the bench, four man's score and can Brandon
Ingram be a dynamic one on one playmaker? Does he
play without the basketball? Does he play backup point guard?
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There's a lot of different I think that's a guy
who's gonna be searching for a role. But this is
this is a little bit. There's a truth serium when
you play with Lebron James. It also points out that
Lebron James is a good teammate. He's a better teammate
than a Kobe, a better teammate than some of these
other guys in terms of how he treats people around him,
(15:39):
but doesn't make it easy. Doesn't make it easy. I mean,
it's it's known in the NBA that he's gonna go
to you in the first half, whether it's Chris Bosh
or Kevin Love or whomever as a as a third option,
he'll go. He'll find you when you're open, find your spot,
deliver the ball on time and in rhythm. But you know,
make in the first half he's an't going to you anymore.
(16:02):
Figure out a way to play without without getting jump
shots because he's not trusting you, he's not giving the ball.
And that's the way he deals with just about everybody.
I'll trust you to the point where I can't trust you.
Once I can't trust you more, it will take a
lot of time for you to earn back my trust.
There's a true series to play with Lebron James, and
it's going to expose which one of these guys can
which one of these guys can't play. But then there's
(16:24):
the question of canny play within Luke walton system or
does he take over what Luke Walton is doing and
do his own thing. Something that's really occurred for the
most part, and how he's played in the NBA, and
it's been made only worse when he plays in Cleveland,
because he's been Both times he played in Cleveland, he
was completely empowered by their franchises because they wanted to
do everything they could to keep him. It wasn't as
(16:45):
bad for the most part in Miami because he had
Dwayne Wade, because he had Chris Bosh, and because Spoelstra
was empowered by pat Riley. But it wasn't like he
was playing within some other foreign system. I think it's
A really gonna be an interesting and the idea of
a it's not just they're getting all the attention and
being the talk of the NBA me seem like a
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good thing, and it probably is for business, um, but
there's some parts to it which which let's just be honest,
some parts to it which can make it more difficult
to do business, can make it more difficult to focus.
And oh yeah, by the way, everyone everyone is is
coming at you. Everyone's coming at you, everyone's giving giving
(17:29):
you their best shot. So that's the All schedules are
not the same, All records are not the same. And
I mean like, look, as we get ready for college football,
we've always you know, the the expressions throughout the record
books when your rival comes to town. We said this.
We had Kirk Farrens on yesterday. Kirk Farrens is the
head coach was of of Iowa. They play Iowa State,
(17:52):
there's ay throwout the record books when they come to
town and they play Northern Iowa. Whop, that's a one
double a what is it? FCS program? And Northern i
was gonna give them everything they can because every kid
in Northern i Will wish as they were a Hawkeye
they do, and then they play Wisconsin, who's arrival. Those
are back to back to back difficult games. Even if
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in and of itself, Iowa State is not the level
of opponent of Wisconsin and Northern i was not uh
an opponent the level of of Iowa State. Use that
in the micro. The macro is kind of is comparable.
In the same sense, playing with Lebron is just different.
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It's not for everybody, and it will expose you. Fox
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Dino course, former head of officiating with the National Football League.
(18:55):
Now he basically does that for us here at Fox Sports,
covering both college and NFL officiating. Obviously, Dean, everybody's talking
about the new helmet rule, and for people who haven't
been following, go back what was it about to I
don't know. An hour ago. An hour ago, the NFL
put out a statement in regards to the conference call,
(19:15):
and basically a statement was, Hey, if you don't like
the rule, tough the rule is staying, but we do
want to put a note in there that inadvertent inadvertent
contact is not a penalty. What's your reaction to the
statement from the NFL today. Yeah, I mean, I think
it it's not surprising. I think the language that has
been in other rules like this, other player's safety rules
(19:37):
has had, you know, a qualifier that says that that
doesn't prohibit incidental contact, and so I think it makes
sense to add that. I think it was intended, but
but it wasn't written explicitly like that. So I thin's
a good thing, a good step, and then and we'll
see how it's going to be officiated the rest of
the preseason. What do you think of the rule? You know,
I think I think the intent of the rule is good.
(19:59):
Anytime you try to prohibit contact with the head, I
think that's good. I just I'm not crazy about how
they implemented it. And I think typically a rule like
this you vetted out, you have meetings with the players Association,
you get feedback from a lot of people, and this
rule was really pushed throughout the league meeting, which is
which is not not usual. Um, it's kind of unusual
(20:21):
for something like this and now I think we're all
playing catch up and trying to figure out how it's
going to be officiated, how how the players and coaches
will adjust. Um is it is it safe to say
that the whole intent of the rules? It's it's it's
kind of like what Bill Belichick said, right, like, it's
not exactly how the rules written. But Bill belizis like, look,
if you see what you hit and you don't lunge forward,
(20:42):
you're going to be fine. That's how we've always taught it.
And and this is an extreme kind of way of
getting that out of the out of the game. Isn't
that the intent of the rule? I think so. I
think you're you're you're dead on with that. I think
from when if you played football from a from a
young age, you're taught to see what your keep your
head up. And they put tapes out there a head
coaches like Mike rabel And and Todd Bowls and Doug
(21:05):
Moron put out position specific tapes and and all you
kept hearing if you watch these tapes are these band
pads low head up, And that's what they're trying to
get to. It's not always possible to have your head
up when you're trying to get it across you know,
across the body of the grinner. But if you do
keep like coach PLI exaid, if if you can see
what you hit and keep your head up, you are
(21:27):
going to be you know, you're gonna be okay as
it pertains to the rule, and it's just a safer
way to tack um. Look, here's where I I do
think that we we lose. We TV creates this kind
of illusion of how easy it is to see a
guy and how he's hitting like it's it's one thing
to put it to implement a new rule, it's another
(21:49):
thing nammenteral rule, which is generally unpopular with the guys
who you're trying to make those those calls on. It's
all the things in real time. And I guess what
are I think the stake a lot of these guys
are making is they're reacting to a dip of a ahead,
even if that's not how contact is actually made. Is
that is that a fair assessment? I think that's a
fair assessment. I think that's the challenge from an officiating perspective,
(22:12):
is because you have an official that's looking at it
in real time, getting one shot and so they can
see the head dip, but then they have to figure out, Okay,
did he initiate with the helmet or did he initiate
with a shoulder or a forum and was the helmet
contact just incidental And to be able to do that
in real time and a lot of times these are
(22:32):
bang bang plays that that's the challenge. And I think
that's what we're saying. All right, So what if you
were if you are an officiating crew and you're getting
getting ready on a Sunday, what are you guys discussing? Well,
I think as it pertains to this rule, and I
would imagine after this conference called, the direction to the
game officials will be to call the clear cut fouls.
(22:55):
I think up until this point in the preseason it's
been if it's close and think it might be a foul,
throw the flag. And I think as we start to
move toward the regular season, it's more going to be look,
if it's clear cut, throw the flag. If you're not sure,
don't throw the flag, and then they could always look
at it on tape during the week, and if it's
a fine or even a suspension, then the league will
(23:16):
take care of it after the fact. Yeah, and that's
probably what's going to happen as the season goes on.
But is there a sense that, hey, early in the season,
we may not officiate as stringently as we will like
later in the year, they'll get a little bit more lenient,
allow the fines to take place. Is that um? I mean,
is that just what we imagine happening, because that's kind
of what happens with in college basketball Freedom of Movement
(23:37):
NBA with the hand checking, where you're trying you're really
really strict early on, and then you just let them
play later on in the year, letting the fines kind
of take the place of it. Yeah, that tends to happen.
It tends to happen anytime you have something that's a
point of emphasis where it's it's strictly enforced initially and
then and then as the season goes on, it it's
not that they're gonna they're gonna ignore it, but you
(23:58):
just don't see it as strictly enforced. I think that
also has to do with the coaches and players adjusting
and making making the necessary changes. Isn't that so you
just don't have as many fouls to call. So I
think it's a combination of those things. Dean Blandino joining
us in the Doug Galli Show on Fox Sports Trading,
I want to ask you about r p O S
has run pass options. I know that it's a it's
a term that's misused by fans a lot, frankly by
(24:22):
broadcasters and former players. But but where it look, this
comes from the college game and the reason that the
college game it's so effective is offensive lineman can go
up to three yards downfield without getting without have being
an a legal man downfield, right, So you can't if
you're a defensive you're a linebacker, you can't tell based
upon the blocking scheme anymore because you can get three
yards downfield. In the NFL, it's what a yard, it's
(24:44):
supposed to be a yard, it's really yard to two yards?
Is that about right? Yeah? In the NFL, the rule
states yard, but typically you don't want to call it
too tight, so you you always tell the officials two
yards is a rough guideline. You know that they're typically
clearly beyond the yard when they get to two yards.
Was that always the case or did it used? Because
because again this is we talked about when we grew
up playing. When we grew up playing, you couldn't offensive
(25:07):
lineman couldn't you know, grab at all. It was more blocking,
but they also couldn't go past the line of scrimmage
at all. When when did this rule evolve to being
a little bit more like the college one. Well, I
think that that one has been a place for a
long time. I think, as you see, like you said,
in the college game, there are advantages to that three yards.
In the college game, you can block down field if
(25:28):
the past doesn't cross the line of scrimmage. That's not
the case in the NFL. So there's some built in
advantages to those r PO schemes in college. I think
I think the NFL is starting to evolve and seeing
some of the advantages, although the rules aren't as aren't
as uh, you know, conducive to that. But again I
think it's it's from an officiating standpoint, that's always been
the case. You don't want to call it too tight,
(25:49):
so you want to give the lineman, you know, there's
a little bit of wiggle room, but once they get
to two, it's it's it's obviously a foul. That's the
one you want to get um. The the other the
other thing that's a company bowl to this current one
is uh, well, I guess what you would call the
Tom Brady rule. There's been other quarterbacks that have been
rolled up on, right, Carson Palmer got rolled up on
by Chemo vent oh often. Um. But when Tom Brady
(26:12):
towards a c L that's when the NFL chose to
to install the rule candidate guy below the quarterback, below
the knee and above the head. How much take me
back you were doing it at the time. How much
pushback was there on that rule when it was put
in place. Yeah, there was a lot of pushback because
you would hear from defensive players and defensive coaches. Okay,
(26:33):
if I'm on the ground, what do I do? Well,
you can't lunge and and and drive your shoulder into
the knee of the quarterback, because that's that's a play
that we've seen results and injuries. So you've got to
try to use your arms to grab, you know, wrap
that type of thing. So there's always pushed back when
these rules go going into place, and then the players
they've they've done a great job of adjusting. I've been
(26:56):
I was with the NFL in when they expanded all
the defenseless air rules and people were like, well, how
are we going to make plays on receivers downfield? And
you just see them make the adjustment. I think that's
what eventually we're gonna see with this helmet rule. They
may they may tweak it here and there, but I
think we'll see the players adjust and the officials adjust
so they can call it consistently. Look, I think there
(27:16):
are two plays last year which which which pushes I
understand that a lot of people are like, hey, look,
they didn't go through the proper process, the old vetting process,
or figure out this new rule with the competition committee.
I think the Shaesier hit was a big one because
you said he I mean here he is lay emotionless.
Now he's not in the NFL, and and you're like, wow,
that's bad and it could have actually been worse, like
(27:36):
he could have died. And then and then I think
in terms of the actual play, Marcus Williams whiffing on
on Stefon Diggs. How many times we see young players
come in and just try and dip their head and
not see what they hit. And that leads to an
incredible player for the Minnesota Vikings. Is it fair that
that some of this is a reaction to those two
prominent places from last season. Yeah, I think it is.
(27:57):
I think you had you had those plays. I think
you had the Travaison hit earlier in the year against
Green Bay. I think that was another one that that
generated some discussions. So I think you take all of that,
but ultimately, what it came down to was the injury information,
and what the Health and Safety group at the NFL
presented at the league meeting was basically, concussions don't happen
(28:20):
when the contact is with the front of the you know,
the face mask that that you see. You see very
few concussions when the force of the contact is with
the head up. And that's kind of was the last
straw in terms of putting something in that's gonna incentivize
players to keep their head up. Yeah. So it's a
great point. The NFL is like, look, we already been
sued for billion dollars. We're trying to protect you from you.
(28:42):
It's really and we're not saying it's not hard, but
we've been telling you your whole life to see what
you hit. Now, let's penalize you if you if you
don't because you don't want the ultimate penalty of permanent
brain damage or or being being paralyzed. He's the former
NFL VP of Officiating. Of course, he's our VP of Officiaties.
Deemed Landino Dean. Look forward to seeing you on our
TV sets very very soon. Week zero, week zero in
(29:05):
college football, so it's like pre boarding. You get on
the plane before you get on the plane. This is
college football before college football starts. All right, Thanks Dukan.
Host
Doug Gottlieb
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