September 30, 2025 • 50 mins
On a Tuesday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug talks about the Miami Dolphins and their star receiver Tyreek Hill going down with an awful knee injury Monday night.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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we're a cool one today, cool one today. I think
we meet. We may play at trivia with the guys.
Where in the world is your boy? You know that'd
be a good one. Some due named Doug. I don't
think there's any doubt in my mind that Dan Bayer
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would get it, because Dan Byer, he just gets these things,
regardless of which welcome in. I'm intrigued by something, I'm
just intrigued by something. What are you clapping about? What's
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so great? What did you feel when Tyreek Hill went
down with his injury? You know, what did you feel
when Tyreek Hill went down with his injury? I asked
that because I'm not trying to be morbid, I'm not
trying to be insensitive. But he is a guy who
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generates a lot of feelings from people. And you know,
it's like, I didn't get a response from you, Jay Stu.
But I think that's probably because you either wouldn't paying
attention or you didn't want to type the wrong thing.
I don't know if there is the wrong thing. But
last night you're watching the Dolphins take down the Jets
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and Tyreek Hill goes down with an injury which I
think all of us could consider a devastating one. Right
and now we've learned that he tore up his knee,
he disokayed his kneecap, he's done for the year. You know,
I'm not going to do his careers in question, even
though you know, twenty years ago, made thirty years ago,
he was very much in question. It's not as much
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in question now. But whether or not he's a superstar
upon his return, that's a fair question to ask, completely fair.
I'll tell you what I thought one second. Let me
let me play for a little bit of the sound
last night of Mike McDaniel. Mike McDaniel's been under a
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ton of pressure. He's the head coach of the Miami Dolphins,
and he had this to say about Tyreek Hill's injury.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
It was a dislocation. He was probably in the best
spirits of any player that I've ever you know, it's
such a terrible experience, but he was. He immediately had
white eyes and was talking, I'm good. Just make sure
the guys get this win. You know, he's focused on
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the team. So I'm outside of that. I'm sure I'll
be giving more information tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
I would say that some of his reaction was being
in shock. Some of his reaction is one of those
what else can go wrongs?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Right?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
What else can go wrong? Sure? Why not? Of course?
You know, of course, And I would be willing to
say a portion of it is an honest reaction. You know, hey,
go make sure these guys go get one because you
don't know what you're supposed to do when you're laying
there and you're like you think your career could be over,
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because that's an honest feeling to have when you have
that sort of grotesque and injury, you don't have the
time to go like, you know what, They'll they'll straighten
it out, they'll fix it up. It'll be a tough
year and a half of rehab, and I'll be okay.
A guy who is has gone through a period where
he's the most dynamic athlete in the league. We okay
saying that, Like, that's probably how I contextualize it. The
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I saw game when they played the Chargers. He had
two touchdowns in the first half, literally on his own.
You know. One was a fumbley pickback and ran for
a touchdown, picked up run for a touchdown. The other
was a handoff that he ran for a touchdown. Like
he's that sort of freak. And so if you take
away one of those guy's legs or one of his superpowers,
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what is he like when he comes back? I don't know.
You add in the off the field problems with the
on the field issues of getting along with his quarterback
and his head coach, and you have yourself an interesting
scenario that I do wonder if it's coming, which is
are the Dolphins actually gonna be a better team without him?
And I know I've been the guy who's been critical
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of Skip Bayless back when Kevin Durant was hurt and
early on the NBA Finals. Are the Warriors better without
Kevin Durant? They're not. The difference is that though Tyreek
Hill has superhuman powers, and he's an unbelievable athlete. He's
also an unbelievable pain in the arse, and and he
makes everything harder, not easier, despite the fact that he's
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arguably or maybe inarguably the most talented guy on the
offense side of the ball. Definitely on their team, but
maybe in their division and maybe in the entire league.
So I ask when I saw him go down, I thought, gosh,
that's a waste and a waste. I mean, he has
other worldly talent. And whether it was Drew ros Nast's
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agent or his own internal greed, but it took him
away from the Kansaity Chiefs and from multiple Super Bowl
appearances and Super Bowl wins, and he went to Miami.
And he didn't go to Miami to do his own thing.
He went to Miami to make more money. And he thought,
you know, he was so good that he could lead
that team where he thought he had led the Chiefs,
even though he hadn't led the Chiefs. And the perfect
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example of how you can actually be better with inferior
talent is the Chiefs. Chiefs don't have anyone anywhere near
as good as Tyreek Hill. Zero wide receivers nobody who's
anywhere in the in the what's it called when you
have the atmosphere not just you know, there's no one
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in the solar system of Tyreek Hill as a talent.
Yet they keep going to super Bowls and winning some
of them without Tyreek Hill. How is that possible? Because yes,
talent is a lot in professional sports, but so too
all of those other things which we deem to be
in tangibles, getting along with your coach, getting along with
your teamates, doing the things you're supposed to do on
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and off the field, being on time to practice, running
the routes you're supposed to be when you don't get
the football, like, all those things matter. And apparently they've
mattered more to other guys than they did to Tyreek Hill,
and that's why they've been able to survive and thrive
without him. So when I saw him go down, I thought, man,
that's a waste, because he is such a spectacular talent,
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but he's still can't get right. He still hasn't figured
it out in life. And my fear is my hope
is that he used this time and he figures out
all the other stuff in life well at the same time,
maintaining and building some form of athleticism to be close
to what he's been to this point in the league. Bio,
what'd you think when you saw Tyreek Hill go down
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with the injury?
Speaker 4 (07:18):
I had two thoughts. I thought, first of all, that
this was it. That this is probably the last that
we're going to see Tyreek Hill of being Tyreek Hill
on the football field. He doesn't have the same explosiveness
and who he is. It's going to be very difficult
for him, even though I think he possesses a lot
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of the top level skills you need as a wide receiver.
I mean, he does catch with his hands. He can
at times high point footballs despite how how short he is.
I felt that this is going to this is the
end of the Tyreek Hill that we knew on the
football field. I also had a selfish fantasy football reason
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ye there on the final catch, I was beaten by
Tyreek Hill so on the play that he was tackled
and suffered the injury. If he would have dropped the football,
I then would have won the game because he wouldn't
have returned. But there was also the selfish aspect of
it when it comes to fantasy football.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah, I saw that somewhere going around that, Like you
think about if you had Tyreek Hill and Derek Henry,
not Derek Henry, who else? Who are the running backs
that got hurt?
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Braylan Allen got hurt last night? Yeah, for the Jets.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
You're kind of going through all these guys and you're like,
if you had Lamar Jackson, Tyreek Hill, Braylan Allen, like
just kind of go through the list, like think of
how bad your fantasy team is right now.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
I was trying to think of the scenarios prior to
the game, and this is so callous, but this is sorry.
Just when you play fantasy football, you have these thoughts.
You're thinking, all right, what about he just kind of
pulls a hammy? All right, pull something? And then I
saw him on a cart and I'm like ooh, because
I had actually been at the other game of the
Broncos and Bengals when I came back and saw the
Hill injury. But I did think the big picture of
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him of this is it especially for a guy who
was thought to maybe be a trade piece. I don't
know if that was really realistic. I'm not sure how
many teams would have wanted to bring in Tyreek Hill.
I guess we'll never know, but I just don't think
we're ever going to see the same Tyreek Hill because
we had started to see a different version of him.
Those big plays haven't been there. Teams have been able
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to defend that, and now to come back with the
severity of this injury, and now we're hearing that it
could affect twenty twenty six as well. Yeah, I think
that this is this is it for Tyreek Hill as
a top level wide receiver.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Ja sty what'd you think? I know, you've been an
outspoken critic of Tyreek Hill the person off the football field.
What did you think when you saw Tyreek Hill go down?
Speaker 6 (09:42):
So I hated it. You tried to goad me, and
I'm never going to fall for your goating. You know
him a person who doesn't like watching injuries or looking
at injuries. I have yet to see it. I have
created a skill set to somehow not watch sports injuries
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that are bad. It. It's like a sixth sense for me.
I know it's going to be seen. I look away,
you send me screenshots. I look away very good at that.
I hated seeing it. I feel bad for him and
the Dolphins. That said, I also think Tyreek Hill represents
all almost all of the worst qualities of a public
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figure and a professional athlete. I think he's kind of
a despicable person. I think he's His moral compass is
the opposite of what I would want my child to
look up to. When you saw him being carted off
and he was like ear to ear smiles, my first
thought was, he's so excited that now he's got a
little extra time on his hands to impregnate as many
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women as he can.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
He's like he thought I was going to go to him.
I wasn't going you into watching the video. I was
goading you into tweeting, texting some thing about Karma because
you you so despise him as a human being.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Oh okay, I thought that's yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
I actually thought that Doug played dirty pool by taking
a screenshot of what it was, because it's kind of
I'm surprised that Jason was able to avoid it.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
I was.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
I was not all of a sudden, I was like, wait,
what's this? And then I said, I'm like, oh.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Oh, there's his knee that that legs turned the wrong way. Okay,
what about you there? I was Sam.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
I agree with Dan.
Speaker 7 (11:30):
I don't think we're gonna get the twenty twenty three
version of Tyreek Hill ever again, which was his what
first year was it? First year with the Dolphins, he
had like eighteen hundred yards and then last year, of
course the injury to two oh, he was out a lot,
so his predictive he slipped like you know, to like
half and then this year the injury. Yeah, I just
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don't think he's gonna ever have that top line speedback.
How old is Tyrek?
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Do we know?
Speaker 7 (11:56):
Is he mid thirties?
Speaker 5 (11:57):
Early?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Is not mid thirty mid thirties?
Speaker 7 (12:00):
If someone could check on that. My hands are busy
at the moment. Yeah, I think he's only thirty one,
But you know he's.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
I think he'll play.
Speaker 7 (12:10):
But still yeah, I mean, he's not gonna be the
guy we saw at the Chiefs or the twenty twenty
three Miami Dolphin Tyreek Hill probably ever again. But you
do need a competent court. You need a quarterback throw
you the ball too.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
So what did you guys think of the Tua comments
after the game? For people who missed it, tuas like,
you know, I thank God for keeping all of us
safe for the most part like it was. I want
to say that it's like just Tua is so like
that's just so automatic to come out of his mouth
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that he didn't think about it until all of a
sudden was coming out of his mouth. But it did
land strangely right where he's thanking God for keeping them
safe when his most talented wide receiver got carted off
with an obvious major leg injury. I hear the interview
at all.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
I did not.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Okay, he just we have it.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
We have it right here right.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Okay, Yeah, take a listen. This is this is Tua
after the game.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
He belongs to God, my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Speaker 7 (13:13):
Just want to thank him for this victory, for us,
keeping us safe for the most.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Part with except sit my wide receiver's leg on was
falling off. Thanks for everybody else being healthy.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
By the way, he took a shot in the game,
I don't know if you guys saw this, but there
was there was I think he had scrambled or something,
took a really big blow and one of I think
it was Orlovsky, like I think this way to I
don't know if you guys think this will it Every
time he gets out and scrambles. I cringe because all
it takes is one hit and he took a shot,
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and Orlovsky's like, and you forget the fact that he's
got like three or four concussions, And yeah, no, I
never forget that.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
I always watch that. When I watched I was.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
I was at the game with Dan Bayer last Thursday night,
and every time I saw too a scramble in person,
I felt my body tensed up.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
A little bit.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
The viewing experience, by the way, last night with the
staggered start was awful because you had two games that
really weren't competitive, and you're guessing on what what you're
trying to watch and win.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
I had the I had the two box up with
with YouTube and you neither was It was fine, it
was on.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
I think there are more people like me that had
one TV though, and I think that's the well.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
It's one TV. It's one TV on YouTube TV, I.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Mean one screen. Oh yeah, yeah, that's that's where I think.
So last night, so you have a game against with
with the Dolphins and Jets that really isn't competitive, So
maybe a flip over to Broncos Bengels and then you're
watching that for a little while. I missed the injury
to Tyree Kill because I was on Bronze Coast Bengals.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
I think it was, you know, coming right out a halftime.
I think it was.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
And so, yeah, so you missed that portion of it.
Then you're kind of toggling back and forth waiting for
something interesting to happen, not necessarily sure what you're watching.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
Yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
I think that for all the people that complain about
the doubleheaders, the and how late it is, give me
that ten days out of the week than what last
night's stag would start gives you.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Yeah, I don't mind the doubleheaders at all. I just
I just don't. I don't know why the NFL does either.
It's more people watching their games. I guess the only
people that would Matt would would be bothered would be
ESPN because it delays when you guess you at to
Van Pelt with Sports Center. I can't understand it, you know,
because you have plenty of time in that window and
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it becomes a West coast window, and that would have
been a West Coast watch last night.
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Up coming, my boy Matt Holiday will join us. We'll
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and their win today, first game, first win of the
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on today throughout a battery of networks. ABC getting a
baseball game today. That's interesting one. All right, all that upcoming,
plus what's talks Major League Baseball playoffs? We got NFL
to talk about the best way to talk about it
is something that I think Dan Byer came up with
Jase Do put into play. We've been doing it this
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entire season that consists of four weeks. It's a way
of looking back at the weekend but trying to get
to stories that everyone missed yesterday.
Speaker 8 (17:12):
Well, Tuesday, Tokain, this is Tuesday Morning Quarterback in the afternoon.
Mondays can be overwhelming. Tuesdays are getting to whatever we
didn't get.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
To on Monday.
Speaker 8 (17:23):
This is Tuesday morning Quarterback in the afternoon.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Okay, So what we got to? Man? I think we
spend a little time on the Giants and their defense,
and the Chargers and their injuries, a little time on Pittsburgh, Buffalo, good,
New Orleans bad. No one really talked about that one.
Tennessee feels like a dumpster fire. I'm just thinking. I'm
thinking that the things that we got to.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Yeah, I know, but I'd rather sam up the what
the articles are?
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Okay. I wasn't gonna come on. I was trying to say,
this is what everybody talked about. People talk about all right,
So you guys are obviously chopping into bit this one.
I'm excited. Dan, Let's start with you. What's the biggest
story we missed on yesterday that we need to cover today.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Well, there is a play that happened on Sunday that
I don't think people are talking about nearly as much
as they should.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
And it sounded like this on Fox you know what
to do wrong one ready?
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Oh they gonna chick up chicky.
Speaker 8 (18:23):
He walks in touchdown Philadelphia.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Maybe that was wanting to play calls a little bit longer.
Speaker 7 (18:33):
It's like he was getting a few extra words out
of his mouth.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Lining up in the tush push formation, the Philadelphia Eagles
run a play to Saquon Barkley out of that formation,
not just Jalen Hurts diving forward for a yard. They
stored on the six yard touchdown run, and I think it,
in my mind, validated the reason on why you keep
the tush push here now. Sean Payton was on Orange
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and Blue today and the Broncos head coach had this
to say about why he was in favor of the
tush push.
Speaker 9 (19:06):
I was one that stood up in favor of the
reason I stood up in favor of is pretty simple.
If the powers to be don't want it for aesthetic
reasons or competitive reasons, you know, or it's hard to officiate,
et cetera. But I've been involved in those meetings for
a long time, and when all of a sudden health
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and safety was pulled into that, which might be the
safest playing football. My bullet nose kind of went up.
Look at the quarterback sneak. You know, as long as
the line of scrimmage is cleaned, it's a well run
quarterback sneak.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
So a lot of push for the tush push to
stay around, at least in my mind this past weekend.
Speaker 6 (19:46):
Good for Sean Payton. That was amazing that the end
there whereas BS meter went off when people started doing
the injury thing, yes, the player safety thing, like he's
basically calling BS on all of this. It kind of woke, Hey,
we got to protect the player stuff when there was
zero data to support that the play was dangerous.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Good for Sean Payton.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
By the way, head coach of a different team, that's
let me let me let me ask you guys this, Okay,
a play off of the toush push, doesn't it seem
unfair at this structure, Like the defense has probably schemed
all week for a way to marginalize this unstoppable play
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and then you call a play action off of that
that just seems like cruel and unusual.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
It does, It does, But I'm with Dan. I love
it when I saw it. Now, the first time they
ran it, they didn't the toush push, they didn't call
the guard jump, they didn't call it again, which infuriates everybody,
But yes, I would agree with you go ahead.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
There's also there's also just the there's gonna be a time,
I think where this is stopped by the Eagles. But
even if you're one of the thirty one other teams,
doesn't this show you that there is a different way
out of that formation to run the play? Like we
feel like the Eagles have this advantage, and maybe they do,
but why didn't any of the other teams think of
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doing this that couldn't actually get the yard, but tried
to think of a different way to get their player
around it would actually make it, I think now more
likely for them if they were to show that on film.
And now teams are having to worry about, say it's Buffalo,
worry about James Cook running around the end and running
around the edge and scoring a touchdown or getting the
first down. I think it shows the different things that
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you can do with the play now it's not just
a one trick pony.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
If you will, it's amazing it's amazing. I've been team
to push for a long time. I was glad that
it stayed in and I love the fact that Sean
Payton is calling bs on guys like a Doug's buddy,
Mark Murphy. It was disingenuous to go to this player
safety thing from the get go. It's just I can't
stop this play. We need to get it out of
the league now. If there wasn't an undefended or a
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defensive play that people couldn't stop. I think that's why
the Tousch pushes has has gone through it because because
this is such a pro offense league, and the Toush
pushes is an offensive play.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
I think the next play.
Speaker 6 (22:15):
That's gonna get banned, just as just my theory is
the punching fumbles, the intentional pounding of the ball out
of the hand, because that's a defensive play. It limits offense,
and the NFL traditionally has been against plays that take
away from the offense.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Yeah. I don't know if I see it though, I
just don't. I mean, I again, punching the football out
creates a turnover, it creates kind of mayhem. I think
they like it. I don't, I know you think you
put that in the group chat this weekend. I didn't
agree with it.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
I think that that's that's an interesting thought. I like
the thought process on it, especially when the NFL, I
think at one point promoting the because it's the peanut
punch from Charles Tillman. Sure, I think the Seahawks legion
of Boom also did it pretty well. It did it
in Super Bowl forty eight, but their defensive backs were
taught to do the same thing. Now everybody else is
doing it. It does when you do that, you don't
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tackle as well. So like there's this if you're just
trying to punch the football out, the guy can maybe
run five or ten more yards. So it's kind of
anti of what you want to do on defense. But
I think that's how we kind of view defense nowadays,
is get the turnover and that they get five or
ten yards more.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
They do.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Sure, but that would be interesting if the NFL did
a one eighty, because I swear I thought I saw
a promo or a commercial promoting the peanut punch at
one time.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
I think that there's like this, whenever I see a
guy just do a complete roundhouse punch and miss and
hit the player's forearm or bicep. It's like, I think
that's that isn't covered enough. Like if you want to
talk about player safety and not intentionally hurting players, what
about all of the missed fumble punches.
Speaker 7 (24:03):
You miss in something really bad might happen. You might
get hit in somewhere that's pretty sensitive or just get
just get you know, hit smacked there. And uh, but
I talked with Jason about this. I don't know the
enforcement of that because yeah, like you know, it's kind
of like a a jab versus a hook in boxing.
You know, the jab is the peanut punch. And then
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I guess guys could still swing their arm around tackling
and try to hit the ball out the same time,
they're gonna have to really write some pretty uh you
know fine put the fine what do you call it,
the fine print into that rule. If that made any sense?
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Not really it it did? I guess, Okay, what about
you there, Sam, Something we missed.
Speaker 7 (24:48):
I don't know if we missed this so much. I
just you know, we talked about this in first of all,
bad way to start. Uh, it's gotta be.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Something we missed.
Speaker 7 (24:57):
Allow me to uh, I mean to narrate my wax
poetic Tuesday. It's still morning in Hawaii, but afternoon in
the continental United States.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
Quarterback here because.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
This is the truth.
Speaker 7 (25:08):
It's ten to ten in the morning in Hawaii. Still morning, Tuesday, Morning.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Sam, Sam, It's like thirty seconds of wasted time.
Speaker 7 (25:17):
Dude, sounds like the Doug Otlag Show to me, Uh.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Okay, we're moving on. Jau something Jay suh, something that
that you that we missed.
Speaker 6 (25:27):
We got a tweet about this segment just ten minutes
ago saying, oh, it's that segment where Doug overly compliments
Bryce Young every single week.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
I'm not compilating Bryce Young this week. It was two
weeks in a row, and I'd moved on.
Speaker 6 (25:39):
Okay, because Awful Announcing did a headline. Uh, the Doug's
glowing coverage of Bryce Young is getting Bryce old.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
So uh.
Speaker 6 (25:49):
Brian day Ball, Malik Neighbors, and Jackson Dark all are
subjects of My Tuesday Morning Quarterback, And it's pretty simple.
Last week, Jackson Dark got the start, and it was
our theory that this is basically the hail Mary to.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Keep Brian Dayball's job.
Speaker 6 (26:07):
Sure, if the rookie does well, he probably gets an extension.
If he doesn't, we probably say goodbye. I will say
that Malik Neighbors injury helps Brian Daball. How you say
how because the expectations now are lowered even more so
if Jackson Dart shows progress and anything that goes wrong,
(26:27):
you could be like, well, he didn't have his best
offensive player on the field, So Melik Neighbors getting injured
Jackson Dart having a great game against the Chargers, I
would say two great cases for keeping Brian Daball around.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
Okay, I'm going I'm just quick piggyback off of that.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Yesterday the Giants announced that John Marra, the co owners,
battling cancer. I hope everything is okay, says he's going
to work through treatment. But if it's more serious, then
maybe we realize I think that would be another reason
to maybe keep the current regime, depending on because we've
seen how how much Mara is involved with the operation.
(27:10):
I mean his comment on sakuon Barkley. We still talk
about today on how it would be difficult for him
to sleep at night if he was in an Eagles
uniform like he is involved, and if there's any step
back from that, I almost think that it would probably
make the Giants just want to keep what they've got
in place because of his health situation.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
They didn't come back and win, but they did come
back and make it close. Then Tampa Bay Buccaneers lost
to the build up Eagles for their first loss of
the year. But I think I've determined Dan Bayer who
Baker may peel is, all right, he's Russell Wilson two
point zero from this standpoint right, a little bit smaller
(27:55):
right runs around back there. It does feel like every
Buccaneer game come down to Baker mayfield with the ball
driving down the field, a chance to win it, and
most times you feel like he's gonna pull it off.
And you and I have discussed this, like I can't
recall that. I know you have recollection of one individual game,
like I remember when he did this against this team
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that again, But in terms of I'm kind of vague
in my analysis. That's how I remember just about every
Seahawk game that Russell Wilson was ever a part of.
He wouldn't do much most of the game, and then
at the end of the game he'd be running around
back there, and more often than not he'd make a
play and they'd win the game, and I view Baker
as much the same.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
It's kind of like Bizarro Seinfeld right when it was
the opposite, but everybody was the same person, Like there
was an opposite Cramer and offerds that George opposite Elane.
But I think in that way where Russell was a
star and a star early and then faded away, Baker had.
I mean, Baker was a star early, but it just
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didn't last long, like after they made that playoff push
that all of a sudden, the bloom on the row
started to fade for Cleveland. But yeah, I could, I
could see it. I don't hate it at all, And
there is there is a positive aspect of Baker where
I think everybody loves him, and I don't know if
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that's the case with with Russell, Wilson, teammates.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Wies.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Anyone non Sam want to add anything else.
Speaker 6 (29:23):
I think we gotta give Sam one more chance. I'm
about second chances on this show.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
I don't think Doug liked that comment about the Doug
Gottlieb show.
Speaker 7 (29:31):
I think that's what Well, you could you could just
say that, well, it's already out there. I was just
saying that you know I could waite thirty seconds talking
that's me. I'm on your show. I'm just joking, just
a joke, just a just a joke. I was just
gonna say, well, this isn't even from this is not
even from Sunday, so I can't even talk about it.
I was gonna say that Joe Burrow being gone all
the time it hurt.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
How's it?
Speaker 7 (29:51):
His legacy is a mixture of a super Bowl appearance,
number one overall pick national champion, and then we don't
see him a lot of time, and he's that that
that offense. That passing game is a Ferrari with no
gas in it or a Ferrari with no tires, and
it's just unfortunate to see because of all the weapons
they have.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Yeah, but all the weapons they have are a reason
why he also, I mean, yeah, there's no reason for
him to pay Jamar Chase and t Higgins.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
There's just.
Speaker 7 (30:22):
They put everything in the in the passing game, and
you know, I don't know, it's frustrating because.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
See Higgins, they should let it walk. That's that's the big.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
One, Doug.
Speaker 7 (30:31):
Like we said in the off season before the season started,
you know the Rams will go as far as Matt
Stafford can carry him on his sore back, you know.
And then and they just had an amazing comeback win
against the Colts, and he had a three hundred and
seventy five passing yards.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
And so I'm gonna ask you a question that I
know the answer to because I looked it up. So
don't feel bad if you don't know the answer to.
Joe Burrow has been in the league for This is
his sixth year in his last five years, counting this year, right,
So he's missed two games this year. He's obviously out
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for for probably the rest of the season. So the
previous four years, how many games did he miss?
Speaker 5 (31:12):
Well, we have the gosh, the injury is rookie season, yep.
Then the second year, how many games did he miss?
I'm gonna say.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Thirty, Okay, in his last four years, we'll take out
rookie because the rookie season he missed.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Six last last four years, I'll say twelve twelve.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Okay, what will you say, Sam.
Speaker 7 (31:38):
I'll just go thirteen.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
Price is right, by.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
The way logic zero said, But Jase do I don't
know why we're not doing the rookie season.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
But I'm going to say we.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Could do the rookie season if you want. It's fine.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
So twenty twenty games including the rookies.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Okay, So he missed six the rookie year. When we
go to seventeen games, Dan.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
Three, was it three years ago? I think this is
this the third year.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Okay, So he didn't miss a game for two straight
years after his rookie year, and he didn't miss a
game last year either, start every game. It's a little
bit of a misconception that Joe Burrow's always heard he
is always like banged up.
Speaker 7 (32:20):
Yes, during the game last night, they showed the graphic
and they showed, you know, he had injuries in the offseason.
Two he had appendicitis or an appendectomy. I guess that
maybe influenced me a little bit, But I feel like
I have not really seen like Burrow. That was Burrow
last year.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
He was so good.
Speaker 7 (32:35):
You know, the defense was the one that was letting
him down. They lost a lot of close games. So
I think there's truth. I think there's truth on both sides.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
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Speaker 1 (32:58):
App What Up Doug Gottlieb Show. No, Uh, Hueie can't
sing anymore because he can't hear. Right if you listening
to the podcast, we got a little Huey Lewis and
the news. That's a little bumper music, you guys from
(33:18):
you guys aware of that. Like he lives on some
spectacular property I want to say, Montana, but he can't hear.
And so because he can't hear, he can't he can't
hear well, so he can't sing. I think that's what
it is.
Speaker 7 (33:31):
Yes, is called a Mineir's disease, an inner ear disorder.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
That's so sad, so sad. Uh. This isn't just a game,
It's a once in a generation event. The Harlom Globe
Trotters one hundred Year Tour be part of a legacy
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know if it was just a shellacking, a mismatch, or
a bad game, but man, it did feel like the
Bengals looked at looked themselves in the mirror and thought
what we all thought when Joe Burrow went down. When
Joe Burrow went down, I think collective we were all like, yeah,
(34:22):
they're kind of done, and you had people going to
hold on. Jake Browning is one of the most respected
backups in the league. He's athletic, kicking move he's been
with the Bengals. He is do you know what he's not?
He's not Joe Burrow factor in that they've had to
rebuild their defense and they were in a tough spot
against the Broncos team that hadn't played terribly well and
(34:43):
the Broncos at Homer way better and their defense is nasty.
Here's Zach Taylor, their head coach, something off the loss.
Speaker 10 (34:50):
I thought our defense really second half held him scoreless
until really the last drive of the game, and they
did what they could and held him twenty one points.
A good team on the road and offensively were just
not creating enough momentum to put points on the board.
Put pressure on the other team. Get of our defensive
rest pre snap penalties. As a whole, it's not nearly
good enough. We're a team that should not be having
(35:10):
that problem. We have to get it corrected. We can't.
We can't just hand the other team five yards and
put us behind the eight ball, especially dealing with some
of the stuff we gotta deal with on the road.
And so we gotta get it cleaned up.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Yeah, gotta get gotta get cleaned up. That's a classic
coach picker right there. Gotta get cleaned up, gotta get
cleaned up. We're on to Cincinnati. Wait, you guys are Cincinnati?
Oh my bad, my bet. Yeah, Bengals. They get Detroit
at home, then they got the Packers on the road.
Good luck with that, Good luck with that one. Yeah,
let's go ahead. Let's let's welcome in John Middlecoff. Three.
(35:46):
Now it's the podcast, of course, the Volume podcast network.
When Tyreek Hill went down with his knee injury, I want, honestly,
what went on through your mind?
Speaker 11 (35:55):
Well, I had on two TVs, so the audio for
the Denver game was on, so I didn't know because
Wattle kind of looks like that too, and I kind
of looked up last second and I could just see
the small guy there and his leg was pointing the
wrong way. So I didn't know. Which one of the
two guys it was obviously type it into Twitter really quick,
get it fast before they even come back, and you go,
(36:18):
that ain't good. And then once they showed the replay,
I mean I couldn't even look. I mean my first
my first response was one of those guys, one of
the two little star receivers. Their career is probably over
because that that was horrific. I mean it looked I
mean I couldn't rewatch. I don't know if you did,
but it had like an Alex Smith type vibe to it.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
No, it was bad. I watched it. I'm one of
those and I think you and I have discussed this before,
but I tell this, there's three types people in this world.
Type one, I don't want to see it. I won't
look at it, don't show it to me, no, thank you.
Type two, I just want to see it once, maybe
even a still picture, just so I know what everybody's
talking about. And there's type three, where I can't seed enough.
Speaker 11 (37:02):
Where do you fall?
Speaker 1 (37:03):
I'm three? I'm three.
Speaker 11 (37:05):
I think I used to be three, and I still
him three with some stuff. Yeah, but I do think
with injuries, I maybe I've changed. Maybe it's maybe it's maturity.
I don't know, injuries aren't with sports, but well, who
was the dude for Louisville that shattered his leg or
you know, Paula George. I mean that was like my
prime of being a number three. I could watch those
(37:27):
over and over. But now, oh, I mean it's I mean,
are you are we in agreement that this is I
mean it's going to be pretty tough for a guy
that's gettames predicated on being the fastest player like in
the league, Uh, to continue a career.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
One would think that, right, miracles, the medical science, who
knows what happens? Is there any world where the Dolphins
are a better team because of it?
Speaker 11 (37:51):
I actually, once Waller started making plays, I thought, the
way I talk about the Dolphins, you know, to uh listen,
he's kind of a punching bag. But relative to most quarterbacks,
I mean, he's better than fifteen of them. He's just
not anywhere near the top six or seven. But like
on a sunny day or good weather day like they
had last night, if he's got weapons and a good team,
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you can win nineteen games. And I'm watching Waller waddle
until I go, this is this team is not sniffing
the number one overall pick. Now they're not gonna make
the playoffs, but they're gonna be. You're gonna look up
and it's like the Dolphins are drafting thirteenth like that.
They were gonna win like six games with that with
that open. And they played the Jets twice, that's two.
They played the Panthers next week, that's three. Now, I
(38:33):
still think there will be decently. I still like him
against the Panthers, but that probably cost him a win
or two, just because the little easier now with just
the one wide receiver and up to and even a can.
I mean, to me, the story of that game God,
And I would say this about Pete Carroll too. You
go to the Jets and you go to the Raiders.
(38:54):
It's hard, man, it really is. And obviously you know
the Raiders got new people, they got count the Jets
like new people, new energy. It's just it's just something
about I don't know it, like in the air, because
you'd be like, well what about Horrorball and the Chargers, Like,
I don't know. The Charge has been mainly good in
most of my life, so I mean not like Super
Bowl good, but they sure won a lot of games
(39:15):
most years, and even their bad teams win like seven
eight games. You know, you just watch Pete Carroll and
you watch Aaron Glenn. I mean, I thought, what Aaron
Glenn did last year with like me and you playing defense,
that was incredible. I because like one of the greatest
things I've ever seen. They had nobody. Their entire team
was hurt and they were snow playing hard and you
can just see it on his face. It's like same
old Jets.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
What's wrong with the with the Ravens.
Speaker 11 (39:39):
Well, their entire defense is hurt. And you know one
thing that you know because Josh and Lamar are talked about,
you know, synonymously a lot. Right, let's face, the Bill's
defense for the most part has not been good over
the last five or six years relative to the elite defense.
Lamar went to a place that I don't know, it
was like basically Steeler two point zero. They're just known
(40:01):
as a defensive franchise. And now they're basically the Bengals
on defense. So it's like the the margin Ferrera on offense,
Like it's like what the Lions did at the end
of the season. You better be scoring thirty five minimum
every game. You got no shots like that. That's just
that's what you're that's you'll throw. Dealt with that last year,
(40:22):
and that's this team. I mean, Matta Bouque gone, They've
always been hurt. Roquan is out now, Humphrey who last
year was like the catalysts when their defense was fucking
early and then they flipped him, they kind of moved
him on defense and then their defense was good again,
and now he's out. Like I just think that this
(40:43):
might be they got a little forty nine or vibe
of last year. It's like, you know, we're gonna look
up and they're gonna be six and eleven. You just
can't overcome that many injuries. I don't care what the
logo on the side of your helmet is. And even
with Lamar, because they were offense, they blow people out,
but they smother you in the second half, like busting
huge runs. Right, It's not like you know, they're the
(41:06):
twenty eighteen Chiefs throwing bombs. So the way they've blown
a lot of people out in the half, it's a
little different than like some of these other teams. And
I do wonder if it's gonna really just it's it's
clearly throwing them off because they look terrible.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
John Metalcoff's our guest, thronounced the podcast. You can listen
to that podcast in the Volume podcast network. This is
the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
let's let's let's go around the league a little bit.
Have you. I can't figure out who to blame on
that Colts fumble and if he was I feel like
(41:45):
that the Colts fumble and the incomplete pass at the
end of the Florida State game. I don't know if
you saw that game are the same thing which those
guys are taught to always like at the end, just
tuck the ball. I tucked the ball, and they tried
to tuck it, and when they move it, that's when
they lose the ball. Like I'm watching the run in
Indy actually was in LA against the Rams. That was
(42:08):
incredible run, incredible touchdown, but it turned around the entire
game when he fumbled it through the end zone.
Speaker 11 (42:14):
Yeah, I mean, I've never had an issue with that rule.
I thought it was pretty bang bang too. Like watching it,
I'm just actually just pulled it up because I wanted
to watch it again. I thought to play where Jonathan Taylor.
I mean the thing if you're the Colts you feel
good is I think Jonathan Taylor has been through the
first four games like a top five non quarterback in
the league as a skill guy. Dean looks dominant, Yes,
(42:36):
and that run one thing you see And this is
where the you know, the defensive coaches, did you think
it was that egregious of a old No, you know,
and it's like I try to lean the defense, you know,
give him a little bit of grace because it's hard.
It's hard to play defense. It's hard to coach defense
now the rules are against you. And some of these
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penalties and I think it half of a lot ticky
tack on defensive holding. But that was like, I mean,
I thought that negated. I don't know, like one of
the plays of the day. I mean, he's like he
looked like Ashton Genty looked, but even way better, like
spinning through the tackle. I'm still high. Like I liked
the Donnie Mitchell a lot in college. I like, halfway
(43:19):
through that game, I remember I was just kind of
taking notes on the NFL Sunday. One of the things
I wrote is like I think the cults are for real.
I know they ended up losing that game. Obviously, Stafford
isn't playing great. I mean, clearly the Rams are really good,
but a couple of freak things. I'm pretty bullish on
the Colts, like I think they're a twelve thirteen win team.
You know, throughout the season, something weird happens. But I
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think it was more just like those two plays and
more of an outlier thing. I think they're gonna be
fine because I think Dan Jones looks good.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Pittsburgh. Was it that Minnesota's all banged up or are
they getting better? Well?
Speaker 11 (43:55):
I think TJ foot the switch last couple of weeks.
He looks a little bit better, and he's the heartbeat
of the squad. So when he goes, they feel more
physical on defense. Now you get your backup quarterback in there.
Like to me, a backup quarterback wins two games total.
He's underpaid. I think you and I have talked about this.
So every game the backup quarterback goes, and even Carson
(44:17):
Wentz doesn't look terrible, it's just not the same. Now
you can argue, we don't even know if JJ the
starting quarterback is good, but their offensive line they got
injuries again. It's kind of running for his life. It's
why like this week, one of my favorite best of
the week is the Browns to make this very interesting
against Minnesota. How are they going to block Miles Garrett
in that front? Makes a grant Like the Browns defense
(44:38):
is good and their front is good, they could be
a major, major problem. So the Feelers are in pretty
good shape right now. Right you got the Browns we
know are terrible. The Bengals, I mean, just got no shot.
They couldn't block Mi or you. And the Ravens just
have so many injuries and they're one and three that
even if they battle back, like getting the nine wins
(44:59):
feel like a miracle at this point in time. So
I think the Feelers you just got to keep Rogers
up right, and I don't see now when things can change.
He can get hurt. That to me is the big
wild card with him. Like, if you tell me Rogers
played seventeen games, I don't see how they don't win
the division.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, so
I'm reading several reports that the Browns look like they're
going to make a quarterback change and it's going to
be Dylan Gabriel. What do you make of the pace
of this change like to be made?
Speaker 11 (45:35):
Well, I mean, I think we kind of knew when
Flacco was signed to this god awful team that he,
you know what, was the overunder of games who was
gonna start because they weren't going to win many games.
But this is also like going back to that story
a couple of weeks ago. I'm pretty sure me and
you talked about it with Dion saying about like I
didn't get better on the stanch bold. Yeah, Deon, You've
(45:55):
never been on the bench in your entire light. It's
like shador standers. Like I was watching in the Ravens
game and the backup came in to start the fourth quarter.
I mean, he would have got reps in that game,
and they drafted a guy you said you don't want
to go to these teams. You could have been the
backup quarterback. You're not even the backup here. So I
think the coaches like Dylan Gabriel. Here's the thing, if
Dylan Gabriel shows any signs of life, he's gonna get
(46:18):
a very long rope because that's who the head coach
and who's also the play caller and also the quarterback
guy clearly.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
Likes Yeah, I think otherwise they want to draft. They
drafted him.
Speaker 11 (46:31):
Do you know what's gonna be sad though, Like everyone
on social media, like everyone's gonna be rooting. I guess
Dylan Gabriel Like, guys, you might want to google this kid.
He dominated at Oklahoma, then he went to Oregon dominated more.
Like this guy's not coming from UC Davis. Like check
his resume. It's not bad. I know he's small and listen,
I don't I didn't even like him as an NFL prospect,
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but I do think the way we talked about him
was like, yeah, they just found this guy in like
D three. Like, guys, he was a starting quarterback last
year at Oregon, Like that was him, you know, the
guy that we just watched Depenn State more, he was
his backup. You know, there's no like sitout of the rules.
Like if he would have beat him out, they could
have gone with him, but he couldn't. Like Dylan Gabriels,
I mean, there's a reason some of these coaches like him,
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even if I technically don't.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
Really why aren't the Packers better?
Speaker 11 (47:21):
I give you a pass on the Browns game, right,
you're on the road if the defense is good, but
you gotta when I give you a pass, meeting play
a bad game, but you gotta win. You can't lose.
You got to win that thing ten three or thirteen
to ten or whatever. You just get a win. Get out.
Last game's embarrassing. I know they got injuries, but I
do think it's an indictment on by de Parsons. You
(47:43):
trade two first round picks, you give the guy one
hundred and ninety million dollars, Like that's the type game
in their prime, Aaron Donald, Khalil Mack JJ Watt would
have been like, Okay, what am I doing? Four sacks,
a strip, bumble tipped interception. I'm taking this. All the
great players, I mean me and you have been watching
football forever, going back to the nineties. So Reggie White,
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you name it, like, there's a weird game, our defense
not playing well, I'm going to take this thing over.
And it's like he's going up against a player. Who's
this guy back up left hand? Like who's he playing?
And besides the one play that he made at the
end of the game, which is a chase down tackle,
which is great, but it's like that they needed him
in that because the offense was doing their part right.
(48:25):
Offense lighting up the scoreboards. Defense is and shambles, but
they do have one in theory, great player who's definitely
paid forty seven million dollars a year, and it's like,
I just needed more.
Speaker 3 (48:36):
You know.
Speaker 11 (48:37):
The cowboys on defense don't have more to give. But
you get Michael Parsons's like and you'd be like, well,
he heard his back in the middle of the game.
Well he made the play on Dak what was like
in overtime, so he clearly was Okay, I think you're
a little like, hey man, and I can't imagine this
is like a goodah Kin slash lafward thing, like we
(48:57):
need you to take over. And that's the thing. You know,
a lot of wise men have said money doesn't change
who you are, Like he is that point, like this
is who Mike hit. You're not getting Reggie Wider Lawrence
Taylor in your prize. So maybe it's that's just what
he's gonna do. He's gonna have some good games, some
okay games. He's not like, uh, you know, ray Lewis
or something. This isn't you know, I know the media
(49:19):
annointed him, but I don't think very talented player. But
I don't think when it's all said and done, people
it's one of the greatest players of all time.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
Yeah, I don't think he's there, but I do think
he's very talented, plays hard. It just defies logic. Two
Blackfield goals two weeks in a row.
Speaker 11 (49:37):
Uh, the wheel with it threw my premise that they needed,
like that was a game for him to like get
get three sacks.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Something happened, Yes, yes, no question.
Speaker 11 (49:47):
The special teams. I mean, you know, Rich got elevated.
People love Rich Measascia right, Gruden forever, But you just
watch the special team to like that. Does anyone know
what's going on here?
Speaker 1 (49:58):
No? Hey, Johnny, great stuff. Thanks so much for joining us.
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we're a cool one today, cool one today. I think
we meet. We may play at trivia with the guys.
Where in the world is your boy? You know that'd
be a good one. Some due named Doug. I don't
think there's any doubt in my mind that Dan Bayer
(00:49):
would get it, because Dan Byer, he just gets these things,
regardless of which welcome in. I'm intrigued by something, I'm
just intrigued by something. What are you clapping about? What's
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so great? What did you feel when Tyreek Hill went
down with his injury? You know, what did you feel
when Tyreek Hill went down with his injury? I asked
that because I'm not trying to be morbid, I'm not
trying to be insensitive. But he is a guy who
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generates a lot of feelings from people. And you know,
it's like, I didn't get a response from you, Jay Stu.
But I think that's probably because you either wouldn't paying
attention or you didn't want to type the wrong thing.
I don't know if there is the wrong thing. But
last night you're watching the Dolphins take down the Jets
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and Tyreek Hill goes down with an injury which I
think all of us could consider a devastating one. Right
and now we've learned that he tore up his knee,
he disokayed his kneecap, he's done for the year. You know,
I'm not going to do his careers in question, even
though you know, twenty years ago, made thirty years ago,
he was very much in question. It's not as much
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in question now. But whether or not he's a superstar
upon his return, that's a fair question to ask, completely fair.
I'll tell you what I thought one second. Let me
let me play for a little bit of the sound
last night of Mike McDaniel. Mike McDaniel's been under a
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ton of pressure. He's the head coach of the Miami Dolphins,
and he had this to say about Tyreek Hill's injury.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
It was a dislocation. He was probably in the best
spirits of any player that I've ever you know, it's
such a terrible experience, but he was. He immediately had
white eyes and was talking, I'm good. Just make sure
the guys get this win. You know, he's focused on
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the team. So I'm outside of that. I'm sure I'll
be giving more information tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
I would say that some of his reaction was being
in shock. Some of his reaction is one of those
what else can go wrongs?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Right?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
What else can go wrong? Sure? Why not? Of course?
You know, of course, And I would be willing to
say a portion of it is an honest reaction. You know, hey,
go make sure these guys go get one because you
don't know what you're supposed to do when you're laying
there and you're like you think your career could be over,
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because that's an honest feeling to have when you have
that sort of grotesque and injury, you don't have the
time to go like, you know what, They'll they'll straighten
it out, they'll fix it up. It'll be a tough
year and a half of rehab, and I'll be okay.
A guy who is has gone through a period where
he's the most dynamic athlete in the league. We okay
saying that, Like, that's probably how I contextualize it. The
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I saw game when they played the Chargers. He had
two touchdowns in the first half, literally on his own.
You know. One was a fumbley pickback and ran for
a touchdown, picked up run for a touchdown. The other
was a handoff that he ran for a touchdown. Like
he's that sort of freak. And so if you take
away one of those guy's legs or one of his superpowers,
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what is he like when he comes back? I don't know.
You add in the off the field problems with the
on the field issues of getting along with his quarterback
and his head coach, and you have yourself an interesting
scenario that I do wonder if it's coming, which is
are the Dolphins actually gonna be a better team without him?
And I know I've been the guy who's been critical
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of Skip Bayless back when Kevin Durant was hurt and
early on the NBA Finals. Are the Warriors better without
Kevin Durant? They're not. The difference is that though Tyreek
Hill has superhuman powers, and he's an unbelievable athlete. He's
also an unbelievable pain in the arse, and and he
makes everything harder, not easier, despite the fact that he's
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arguably or maybe inarguably the most talented guy on the
offense side of the ball. Definitely on their team, but
maybe in their division and maybe in the entire league.
So I ask when I saw him go down, I thought, gosh,
that's a waste and a waste. I mean, he has
other worldly talent. And whether it was Drew ros Nast's
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agent or his own internal greed, but it took him
away from the Kansaity Chiefs and from multiple Super Bowl
appearances and Super Bowl wins, and he went to Miami.
And he didn't go to Miami to do his own thing.
He went to Miami to make more money. And he thought,
you know, he was so good that he could lead
that team where he thought he had led the Chiefs,
even though he hadn't led the Chiefs. And the perfect
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example of how you can actually be better with inferior
talent is the Chiefs. Chiefs don't have anyone anywhere near
as good as Tyreek Hill. Zero wide receivers nobody who's
anywhere in the in the what's it called when you
have the atmosphere not just you know, there's no one
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in the solar system of Tyreek Hill as a talent.
Yet they keep going to super Bowls and winning some
of them without Tyreek Hill. How is that possible? Because yes,
talent is a lot in professional sports, but so too
all of those other things which we deem to be
in tangibles, getting along with your coach, getting along with
your teamates, doing the things you're supposed to do on
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and off the field, being on time to practice, running
the routes you're supposed to be when you don't get
the football, like, all those things matter. And apparently they've
mattered more to other guys than they did to Tyreek Hill,
and that's why they've been able to survive and thrive
without him. So when I saw him go down, I thought, man,
that's a waste, because he is such a spectacular talent,
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but he's still can't get right. He still hasn't figured
it out in life. And my fear is my hope
is that he used this time and he figures out
all the other stuff in life well at the same time,
maintaining and building some form of athleticism to be close
to what he's been to this point in the league. Bio,
what'd you think when you saw Tyreek Hill go down
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with the injury?
Speaker 4 (07:18):
I had two thoughts. I thought, first of all, that
this was it. That this is probably the last that
we're going to see Tyreek Hill of being Tyreek Hill
on the football field. He doesn't have the same explosiveness
and who he is. It's going to be very difficult
for him, even though I think he possesses a lot
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of the top level skills you need as a wide receiver.
I mean, he does catch with his hands. He can
at times high point footballs despite how how short he is.
I felt that this is going to this is the
end of the Tyreek Hill that we knew on the
football field. I also had a selfish fantasy football reason
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ye there on the final catch, I was beaten by
Tyreek Hill so on the play that he was tackled
and suffered the injury. If he would have dropped the football,
I then would have won the game because he wouldn't
have returned. But there was also the selfish aspect of
it when it comes to fantasy football.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah, I saw that somewhere going around that, Like you
think about if you had Tyreek Hill and Derek Henry,
not Derek Henry, who else? Who are the running backs
that got hurt?
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Braylan Allen got hurt last night? Yeah, for the Jets.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
You're kind of going through all these guys and you're like,
if you had Lamar Jackson, Tyreek Hill, Braylan Allen, like
just kind of go through the list, like think of
how bad your fantasy team is right now.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
I was trying to think of the scenarios prior to
the game, and this is so callous, but this is sorry.
Just when you play fantasy football, you have these thoughts.
You're thinking, all right, what about he just kind of
pulls a hammy? All right, pull something? And then I
saw him on a cart and I'm like ooh, because
I had actually been at the other game of the
Broncos and Bengals when I came back and saw the
Hill injury. But I did think the big picture of
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him of this is it especially for a guy who
was thought to maybe be a trade piece. I don't
know if that was really realistic. I'm not sure how
many teams would have wanted to bring in Tyreek Hill.
I guess we'll never know, but I just don't think
we're ever going to see the same Tyreek Hill because
we had started to see a different version of him.
Those big plays haven't been there. Teams have been able
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to defend that, and now to come back with the
severity of this injury, and now we're hearing that it
could affect twenty twenty six as well. Yeah, I think
that this is this is it for Tyreek Hill as
a top level wide receiver.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Ja sty what'd you think? I know, you've been an
outspoken critic of Tyreek Hill the person off the football field.
What did you think when you saw Tyreek Hill go down?
Speaker 6 (09:42):
So I hated it. You tried to goad me, and
I'm never going to fall for your goating. You know
him a person who doesn't like watching injuries or looking
at injuries. I have yet to see it. I have
created a skill set to somehow not watch sports injuries
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that are bad. It. It's like a sixth sense for me.
I know it's going to be seen. I look away,
you send me screenshots. I look away very good at that.
I hated seeing it. I feel bad for him and
the Dolphins. That said, I also think Tyreek Hill represents
all almost all of the worst qualities of a public
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figure and a professional athlete. I think he's kind of
a despicable person. I think he's His moral compass is
the opposite of what I would want my child to
look up to. When you saw him being carted off
and he was like ear to ear smiles, my first
thought was, he's so excited that now he's got a
little extra time on his hands to impregnate as many
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women as he can.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
He's like he thought I was going to go to him.
I wasn't going you into watching the video. I was
goading you into tweeting, texting some thing about Karma because
you you so despise him as a human being.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Oh okay, I thought that's yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
I actually thought that Doug played dirty pool by taking
a screenshot of what it was, because it's kind of
I'm surprised that Jason was able to avoid it.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
I was.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
I was not all of a sudden, I was like, wait,
what's this? And then I said, I'm like, oh.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Oh, there's his knee that that legs turned the wrong way. Okay,
what about you there? I was Sam.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
I agree with Dan.
Speaker 7 (11:30):
I don't think we're gonna get the twenty twenty three
version of Tyreek Hill ever again, which was his what
first year was it? First year with the Dolphins, he
had like eighteen hundred yards and then last year, of
course the injury to two oh, he was out a lot,
so his predictive he slipped like you know, to like
half and then this year the injury. Yeah, I just
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don't think he's gonna ever have that top line speedback.
How old is Tyrek?
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Do we know?
Speaker 7 (11:56):
Is he mid thirties?
Speaker 5 (11:57):
Early?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Is not mid thirty mid thirties?
Speaker 7 (12:00):
If someone could check on that. My hands are busy
at the moment. Yeah, I think he's only thirty one,
But you know he's.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
I think he'll play.
Speaker 7 (12:10):
But still yeah, I mean, he's not gonna be the
guy we saw at the Chiefs or the twenty twenty
three Miami Dolphin Tyreek Hill probably ever again. But you
do need a competent court. You need a quarterback throw
you the ball too.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
So what did you guys think of the Tua comments
after the game? For people who missed it, tuas like,
you know, I thank God for keeping all of us
safe for the most part like it was. I want
to say that it's like just Tua is so like
that's just so automatic to come out of his mouth
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that he didn't think about it until all of a
sudden was coming out of his mouth. But it did
land strangely right where he's thanking God for keeping them
safe when his most talented wide receiver got carted off
with an obvious major leg injury. I hear the interview
at all.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
I did not.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Okay, he just we have it.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
We have it right here right.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Okay, Yeah, take a listen. This is this is Tua
after the game.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
He belongs to God, my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Speaker 7 (13:13):
Just want to thank him for this victory, for us,
keeping us safe for the most.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Part with except sit my wide receiver's leg on was
falling off. Thanks for everybody else being healthy.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
By the way, he took a shot in the game,
I don't know if you guys saw this, but there
was there was I think he had scrambled or something,
took a really big blow and one of I think
it was Orlovsky, like I think this way to I
don't know if you guys think this will it Every
time he gets out and scrambles. I cringe because all
it takes is one hit and he took a shot,
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and Orlovsky's like, and you forget the fact that he's
got like three or four concussions, And yeah, no, I
never forget that.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
I always watch that. When I watched I was.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
I was at the game with Dan Bayer last Thursday night,
and every time I saw too a scramble in person,
I felt my body tensed up.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
A little bit.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
The viewing experience, by the way, last night with the
staggered start was awful because you had two games that
really weren't competitive, and you're guessing on what what you're
trying to watch and win.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
I had the I had the two box up with
with YouTube and you neither was It was fine, it
was on.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
I think there are more people like me that had
one TV though, and I think that's the well.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
It's one TV. It's one TV on YouTube TV, I.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Mean one screen. Oh yeah, yeah, that's that's where I think.
So last night, so you have a game against with
with the Dolphins and Jets that really isn't competitive, So
maybe a flip over to Broncos Bengels and then you're
watching that for a little while. I missed the injury
to Tyree Kill because I was on Bronze Coast Bengals.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
I think it was, you know, coming right out a halftime.
I think it was.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
And so, yeah, so you missed that portion of it.
Then you're kind of toggling back and forth waiting for
something interesting to happen, not necessarily sure what you're watching.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
Yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
I think that for all the people that complain about
the doubleheaders, the and how late it is, give me
that ten days out of the week than what last
night's stag would start gives you.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Yeah, I don't mind the doubleheaders at all. I just
I just don't. I don't know why the NFL does either.
It's more people watching their games. I guess the only
people that would Matt would would be bothered would be
ESPN because it delays when you guess you at to
Van Pelt with Sports Center. I can't understand it, you know,
because you have plenty of time in that window and
(15:47):
it becomes a West coast window, and that would have
been a West Coast watch last night.
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Up coming, my boy Matt Holiday will join us. We'll
ask him about the Lions of the Lions, the Tigers
and their win today, first game, first win of the
wild card day. Great day in baseball. Four games going
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on today throughout a battery of networks. ABC getting a
baseball game today. That's interesting one. All right, all that upcoming,
plus what's talks Major League Baseball playoffs? We got NFL
to talk about the best way to talk about it
is something that I think Dan Byer came up with
Jase Do put into play. We've been doing it this
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entire season that consists of four weeks. It's a way
of looking back at the weekend but trying to get
to stories that everyone missed yesterday.
Speaker 8 (17:12):
Well, Tuesday, Tokain, this is Tuesday Morning Quarterback in the afternoon.
Mondays can be overwhelming. Tuesdays are getting to whatever we
didn't get.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
To on Monday.
Speaker 8 (17:23):
This is Tuesday morning Quarterback in the afternoon.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Okay, So what we got to? Man? I think we
spend a little time on the Giants and their defense,
and the Chargers and their injuries, a little time on Pittsburgh, Buffalo, good,
New Orleans bad. No one really talked about that one.
Tennessee feels like a dumpster fire. I'm just thinking. I'm
thinking that the things that we got to.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Yeah, I know, but I'd rather sam up the what
the articles are?
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Okay. I wasn't gonna come on. I was trying to say,
this is what everybody talked about. People talk about all right,
So you guys are obviously chopping into bit this one.
I'm excited. Dan, Let's start with you. What's the biggest
story we missed on yesterday that we need to cover today.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Well, there is a play that happened on Sunday that
I don't think people are talking about nearly as much
as they should.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
And it sounded like this on Fox you know what
to do wrong one ready?
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Oh they gonna chick up chicky.
Speaker 8 (18:23):
He walks in touchdown Philadelphia.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Maybe that was wanting to play calls a little bit longer.
Speaker 7 (18:33):
It's like he was getting a few extra words out
of his mouth.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Lining up in the tush push formation, the Philadelphia Eagles
run a play to Saquon Barkley out of that formation,
not just Jalen Hurts diving forward for a yard. They
stored on the six yard touchdown run, and I think it,
in my mind, validated the reason on why you keep
the tush push here now. Sean Payton was on Orange
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and Blue today and the Broncos head coach had this
to say about why he was in favor of the
tush push.
Speaker 9 (19:06):
I was one that stood up in favor of the
reason I stood up in favor of is pretty simple.
If the powers to be don't want it for aesthetic
reasons or competitive reasons, you know, or it's hard to officiate,
et cetera. But I've been involved in those meetings for
a long time, and when all of a sudden health
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and safety was pulled into that, which might be the
safest playing football. My bullet nose kind of went up.
Look at the quarterback sneak. You know, as long as
the line of scrimmage is cleaned, it's a well run
quarterback sneak.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
So a lot of push for the tush push to
stay around, at least in my mind this past weekend.
Speaker 6 (19:46):
Good for Sean Payton. That was amazing that the end
there whereas BS meter went off when people started doing
the injury thing, yes, the player safety thing, like he's
basically calling BS on all of this. It kind of woke, Hey,
we got to protect the player stuff when there was
zero data to support that the play was dangerous.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Good for Sean Payton.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
By the way, head coach of a different team, that's
let me let me let me ask you guys this, Okay,
a play off of the toush push, doesn't it seem
unfair at this structure, Like the defense has probably schemed
all week for a way to marginalize this unstoppable play
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and then you call a play action off of that
that just seems like cruel and unusual.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
It does, It does, But I'm with Dan. I love
it when I saw it. Now, the first time they
ran it, they didn't the toush push, they didn't call
the guard jump, they didn't call it again, which infuriates everybody,
But yes, I would agree with you go ahead.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
There's also there's also just the there's gonna be a time,
I think where this is stopped by the Eagles. But
even if you're one of the thirty one other teams,
doesn't this show you that there is a different way
out of that formation to run the play? Like we
feel like the Eagles have this advantage, and maybe they do,
but why didn't any of the other teams think of
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doing this that couldn't actually get the yard, but tried
to think of a different way to get their player
around it would actually make it, I think now more
likely for them if they were to show that on film.
And now teams are having to worry about, say it's Buffalo,
worry about James Cook running around the end and running
around the edge and scoring a touchdown or getting the
first down. I think it shows the different things that
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you can do with the play now it's not just
a one trick pony.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
If you will, it's amazing it's amazing. I've been team
to push for a long time. I was glad that
it stayed in and I love the fact that Sean
Payton is calling bs on guys like a Doug's buddy,
Mark Murphy. It was disingenuous to go to this player
safety thing from the get go. It's just I can't
stop this play. We need to get it out of
the league now. If there wasn't an undefended or a
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defensive play that people couldn't stop. I think that's why
the Tousch pushes has has gone through it because because
this is such a pro offense league, and the Toush
pushes is an offensive play.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
I think the next play.
Speaker 6 (22:15):
That's gonna get banned, just as just my theory is
the punching fumbles, the intentional pounding of the ball out
of the hand, because that's a defensive play. It limits offense,
and the NFL traditionally has been against plays that take
away from the offense.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Yeah. I don't know if I see it though, I
just don't. I mean, I again, punching the football out
creates a turnover, it creates kind of mayhem. I think
they like it. I don't, I know you think you
put that in the group chat this weekend. I didn't
agree with it.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
I think that that's that's an interesting thought. I like
the thought process on it, especially when the NFL, I
think at one point promoting the because it's the peanut
punch from Charles Tillman. Sure, I think the Seahawks legion
of Boom also did it pretty well. It did it
in Super Bowl forty eight, but their defensive backs were
taught to do the same thing. Now everybody else is
doing it. It does when you do that, you don't
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tackle as well. So like there's this if you're just
trying to punch the football out, the guy can maybe
run five or ten more yards. So it's kind of
anti of what you want to do on defense. But
I think that's how we kind of view defense nowadays,
is get the turnover and that they get five or
ten yards more.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
They do.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Sure, but that would be interesting if the NFL did
a one eighty, because I swear I thought I saw
a promo or a commercial promoting the peanut punch at
one time.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
I think that there's like this, whenever I see a
guy just do a complete roundhouse punch and miss and
hit the player's forearm or bicep. It's like, I think
that's that isn't covered enough. Like if you want to
talk about player safety and not intentionally hurting players, what
about all of the missed fumble punches.
Speaker 7 (24:03):
You miss in something really bad might happen. You might
get hit in somewhere that's pretty sensitive or just get
just get you know, hit smacked there. And uh, but
I talked with Jason about this. I don't know the
enforcement of that because yeah, like you know, it's kind
of like a a jab versus a hook in boxing.
You know, the jab is the peanut punch. And then
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I guess guys could still swing their arm around tackling
and try to hit the ball out the same time,
they're gonna have to really write some pretty uh you
know fine put the fine what do you call it,
the fine print into that rule. If that made any sense?
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Not really it it did? I guess, Okay, what about
you there, Sam, Something we missed.
Speaker 7 (24:48):
I don't know if we missed this so much. I
just you know, we talked about this in first of all,
bad way to start. Uh, it's gotta be.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Something we missed.
Speaker 7 (24:57):
Allow me to uh, I mean to narrate my wax
poetic Tuesday. It's still morning in Hawaii, but afternoon in
the continental United States.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
Quarterback here because.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
This is the truth.
Speaker 7 (25:08):
It's ten to ten in the morning in Hawaii. Still morning, Tuesday, Morning.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Sam, Sam, It's like thirty seconds of wasted time.
Speaker 7 (25:17):
Dude, sounds like the Doug Otlag Show to me, Uh.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Okay, we're moving on. Jau something Jay suh, something that
that you that we missed.
Speaker 6 (25:27):
We got a tweet about this segment just ten minutes
ago saying, oh, it's that segment where Doug overly compliments
Bryce Young every single week.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
I'm not compilating Bryce Young this week. It was two
weeks in a row, and I'd moved on.
Speaker 6 (25:39):
Okay, because Awful Announcing did a headline. Uh, the Doug's
glowing coverage of Bryce Young is getting Bryce old.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
So uh.
Speaker 6 (25:49):
Brian day Ball, Malik Neighbors, and Jackson Dark all are
subjects of My Tuesday Morning Quarterback, And it's pretty simple.
Last week, Jackson Dark got the start, and it was
our theory that this is basically the hail Mary to.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Keep Brian Dayball's job.
Speaker 6 (26:07):
Sure, if the rookie does well, he probably gets an extension.
If he doesn't, we probably say goodbye. I will say
that Malik Neighbors injury helps Brian Daball. How you say
how because the expectations now are lowered even more so
if Jackson Dart shows progress and anything that goes wrong,
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you could be like, well, he didn't have his best
offensive player on the field, So Melik Neighbors getting injured
Jackson Dart having a great game against the Chargers, I
would say two great cases for keeping Brian Daball around.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
Okay, I'm going I'm just quick piggyback off of that.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Yesterday the Giants announced that John Marra, the co owners,
battling cancer. I hope everything is okay, says he's going
to work through treatment. But if it's more serious, then
maybe we realize I think that would be another reason
to maybe keep the current regime, depending on because we've
seen how how much Mara is involved with the operation.
(27:10):
I mean his comment on sakuon Barkley. We still talk
about today on how it would be difficult for him
to sleep at night if he was in an Eagles
uniform like he is involved, and if there's any step
back from that, I almost think that it would probably
make the Giants just want to keep what they've got
in place because of his health situation.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
They didn't come back and win, but they did come
back and make it close. Then Tampa Bay Buccaneers lost
to the build up Eagles for their first loss of
the year. But I think I've determined Dan Bayer who
Baker may peel is, all right, he's Russell Wilson two
point zero from this standpoint right, a little bit smaller
(27:55):
right runs around back there. It does feel like every
Buccaneer game come down to Baker mayfield with the ball
driving down the field, a chance to win it, and
most times you feel like he's gonna pull it off.
And you and I have discussed this, like I can't
recall that. I know you have recollection of one individual game,
like I remember when he did this against this team
(28:17):
that again, But in terms of I'm kind of vague
in my analysis. That's how I remember just about every
Seahawk game that Russell Wilson was ever a part of.
He wouldn't do much most of the game, and then
at the end of the game he'd be running around
back there, and more often than not he'd make a
play and they'd win the game, and I view Baker
as much the same.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
It's kind of like Bizarro Seinfeld right when it was
the opposite, but everybody was the same person, Like there
was an opposite Cramer and offerds that George opposite Elane.
But I think in that way where Russell was a
star and a star early and then faded away, Baker had.
I mean, Baker was a star early, but it just
(28:56):
didn't last long, like after they made that playoff push
that all of a sudden, the bloom on the row
started to fade for Cleveland. But yeah, I could, I
could see it. I don't hate it at all, And
there is there is a positive aspect of Baker where
I think everybody loves him, and I don't know if
(29:16):
that's the case with with Russell, Wilson, teammates.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Wies.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Anyone non Sam want to add anything else.
Speaker 6 (29:23):
I think we gotta give Sam one more chance. I'm
about second chances on this show.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
I don't think Doug liked that comment about the Doug
Gottlieb show.
Speaker 7 (29:31):
I think that's what Well, you could you could just
say that, well, it's already out there. I was just
saying that you know I could waite thirty seconds talking
that's me. I'm on your show. I'm just joking, just
a joke, just a just a joke. I was just
gonna say, well, this isn't even from this is not
even from Sunday, so I can't even talk about it.
I was gonna say that Joe Burrow being gone all
the time it hurt.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
How's it?
Speaker 7 (29:51):
His legacy is a mixture of a super Bowl appearance,
number one overall pick national champion, and then we don't
see him a lot of time, and he's that that
that offense. That passing game is a Ferrari with no
gas in it or a Ferrari with no tires, and
it's just unfortunate to see because of all the weapons
they have.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Yeah, but all the weapons they have are a reason
why he also, I mean, yeah, there's no reason for
him to pay Jamar Chase and t Higgins.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
There's just.
Speaker 7 (30:22):
They put everything in the in the passing game, and
you know, I don't know, it's frustrating because.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
See Higgins, they should let it walk. That's that's the big.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
One, Doug.
Speaker 7 (30:31):
Like we said in the off season before the season started,
you know the Rams will go as far as Matt
Stafford can carry him on his sore back, you know.
And then and they just had an amazing comeback win
against the Colts, and he had a three hundred and
seventy five passing yards.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
And so I'm gonna ask you a question that I
know the answer to because I looked it up. So
don't feel bad if you don't know the answer to.
Joe Burrow has been in the league for This is
his sixth year in his last five years, counting this year, right,
So he's missed two games this year. He's obviously out
(31:05):
for for probably the rest of the season. So the
previous four years, how many games did he miss?
Speaker 5 (31:12):
Well, we have the gosh, the injury is rookie season, yep.
Then the second year, how many games did he miss?
I'm gonna say.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Thirty, Okay, in his last four years, we'll take out
rookie because the rookie season he missed.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Six last last four years, I'll say twelve twelve.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Okay, what will you say, Sam.
Speaker 7 (31:38):
I'll just go thirteen.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
Price is right, by.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
The way logic zero said, But Jase do I don't
know why we're not doing the rookie season.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
But I'm going to say we.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Could do the rookie season if you want. It's fine.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
So twenty twenty games including the rookies.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Okay, So he missed six the rookie year. When we
go to seventeen games, Dan.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
Three, was it three years ago? I think this is
this the third year.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Okay, So he didn't miss a game for two straight
years after his rookie year, and he didn't miss a
game last year either, start every game. It's a little
bit of a misconception that Joe Burrow's always heard he
is always like banged up.
Speaker 7 (32:20):
Yes, during the game last night, they showed the graphic
and they showed, you know, he had injuries in the offseason.
Two he had appendicitis or an appendectomy. I guess that
maybe influenced me a little bit, But I feel like
I have not really seen like Burrow. That was Burrow
last year.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
He was so good.
Speaker 7 (32:35):
You know, the defense was the one that was letting
him down. They lost a lot of close games. So
I think there's truth. I think there's truth on both sides.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
And that is Tuesday Morning Quarterback.
Speaker 8 (32:47):
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Speaker 1 (32:58):
App What Up Doug Gottlieb Show. No, Uh, Hueie can't
sing anymore because he can't hear. Right if you listening
to the podcast, we got a little Huey Lewis and
the news. That's a little bumper music, you guys from
(33:18):
you guys aware of that. Like he lives on some
spectacular property I want to say, Montana, but he can't hear.
And so because he can't hear, he can't he can't
hear well, so he can't sing. I think that's what
it is.
Speaker 7 (33:31):
Yes, is called a Mineir's disease, an inner ear disorder.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
That's so sad, so sad. Uh. This isn't just a game,
It's a once in a generation event. The Harlom Globe
Trotters one hundred Year Tour be part of a legacy
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(34:01):
know if it was just a shellacking, a mismatch, or
a bad game, but man, it did feel like the
Bengals looked at looked themselves in the mirror and thought
what we all thought when Joe Burrow went down. When
Joe Burrow went down, I think collective we were all like, yeah,
(34:22):
they're kind of done, and you had people going to
hold on. Jake Browning is one of the most respected
backups in the league. He's athletic, kicking move he's been
with the Bengals. He is do you know what he's not?
He's not Joe Burrow factor in that they've had to
rebuild their defense and they were in a tough spot
against the Broncos team that hadn't played terribly well and
(34:43):
the Broncos at Homer way better and their defense is nasty.
Here's Zach Taylor, their head coach, something off the loss.
Speaker 10 (34:50):
I thought our defense really second half held him scoreless
until really the last drive of the game, and they
did what they could and held him twenty one points.
A good team on the road and offensively were just
not creating enough momentum to put points on the board.
Put pressure on the other team. Get of our defensive
rest pre snap penalties. As a whole, it's not nearly
good enough. We're a team that should not be having
(35:10):
that problem. We have to get it corrected. We can't.
We can't just hand the other team five yards and
put us behind the eight ball, especially dealing with some
of the stuff we gotta deal with on the road.
And so we gotta get it cleaned up.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Yeah, gotta get gotta get cleaned up. That's a classic
coach picker right there. Gotta get cleaned up, gotta get
cleaned up. We're on to Cincinnati. Wait, you guys are Cincinnati?
Oh my bad, my bet. Yeah, Bengals. They get Detroit
at home, then they got the Packers on the road.
Good luck with that, Good luck with that one. Yeah,
let's go ahead. Let's let's welcome in John Middlecoff. Three.
(35:46):
Now it's the podcast, of course, the Volume podcast network.
When Tyreek Hill went down with his knee injury, I want, honestly,
what went on through your mind?
Speaker 11 (35:55):
Well, I had on two TVs, so the audio for
the Denver game was on, so I didn't know because
Wattle kind of looks like that too, and I kind
of looked up last second and I could just see
the small guy there and his leg was pointing the
wrong way. So I didn't know. Which one of the
two guys it was obviously type it into Twitter really quick,
get it fast before they even come back, and you go,
(36:18):
that ain't good. And then once they showed the replay,
I mean I couldn't even look. I mean my first
my first response was one of those guys, one of
the two little star receivers. Their career is probably over
because that that was horrific. I mean it looked I
mean I couldn't rewatch. I don't know if you did,
but it had like an Alex Smith type vibe to it.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
No, it was bad. I watched it. I'm one of
those and I think you and I have discussed this before,
but I tell this, there's three types people in this world.
Type one, I don't want to see it. I won't
look at it, don't show it to me, no, thank you.
Type two, I just want to see it once, maybe
even a still picture, just so I know what everybody's
talking about. And there's type three, where I can't seed enough.
Speaker 11 (37:02):
Where do you fall?
Speaker 1 (37:03):
I'm three? I'm three.
Speaker 11 (37:05):
I think I used to be three, and I still
him three with some stuff. Yeah, but I do think
with injuries, I maybe I've changed. Maybe it's maybe it's maturity.
I don't know, injuries aren't with sports, but well, who
was the dude for Louisville that shattered his leg or
you know, Paula George. I mean that was like my
prime of being a number three. I could watch those
(37:27):
over and over. But now, oh, I mean it's I mean,
are you are we in agreement that this is I
mean it's going to be pretty tough for a guy
that's gettames predicated on being the fastest player like in
the league, Uh, to continue a career.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
One would think that, right, miracles, the medical science, who
knows what happens? Is there any world where the Dolphins
are a better team because of it?
Speaker 11 (37:51):
I actually, once Waller started making plays, I thought, the
way I talk about the Dolphins, you know, to uh listen,
he's kind of a punching bag. But relative to most quarterbacks,
I mean, he's better than fifteen of them. He's just
not anywhere near the top six or seven. But like
on a sunny day or good weather day like they
had last night, if he's got weapons and a good team,
(38:12):
you can win nineteen games. And I'm watching Waller waddle
until I go, this is this team is not sniffing
the number one overall pick. Now they're not gonna make
the playoffs, but they're gonna be. You're gonna look up
and it's like the Dolphins are drafting thirteenth like that.
They were gonna win like six games with that with
that open. And they played the Jets twice, that's two.
They played the Panthers next week, that's three. Now, I
(38:33):
still think there will be decently. I still like him
against the Panthers, but that probably cost him a win
or two, just because the little easier now with just
the one wide receiver and up to and even a can.
I mean, to me, the story of that game God,
And I would say this about Pete Carroll too. You
go to the Jets and you go to the Raiders.
(38:54):
It's hard, man, it really is. And obviously you know
the Raiders got new people, they got count the Jets
like new people, new energy. It's just it's just something
about I don't know it, like in the air, because
you'd be like, well what about Horrorball and the Chargers, Like,
I don't know. The Charge has been mainly good in
most of my life, so I mean not like Super
Bowl good, but they sure won a lot of games
(39:15):
most years, and even their bad teams win like seven
eight games. You know, you just watch Pete Carroll and
you watch Aaron Glenn. I mean, I thought, what Aaron
Glenn did last year with like me and you playing defense,
that was incredible. I because like one of the greatest
things I've ever seen. They had nobody. Their entire team
was hurt and they were snow playing hard and you
can just see it on his face. It's like same
old Jets.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
What's wrong with the with the Ravens.
Speaker 11 (39:39):
Well, their entire defense is hurt. And you know one
thing that you know because Josh and Lamar are talked about,
you know, synonymously a lot. Right, let's face, the Bill's
defense for the most part has not been good over
the last five or six years relative to the elite defense.
Lamar went to a place that I don't know, it
was like basically Steeler two point zero. They're just known
(40:01):
as a defensive franchise. And now they're basically the Bengals
on defense. So it's like the the margin Ferrera on offense,
Like it's like what the Lions did at the end
of the season. You better be scoring thirty five minimum
every game. You got no shots like that. That's just
that's what you're that's you'll throw. Dealt with that last year,
(40:22):
and that's this team. I mean, Matta Bouque gone, They've
always been hurt. Roquan is out now, Humphrey who last
year was like the catalysts when their defense was fucking
early and then they flipped him, they kind of moved
him on defense and then their defense was good again,
and now he's out. Like I just think that this
(40:43):
might be they got a little forty nine or vibe
of last year. It's like, you know, we're gonna look
up and they're gonna be six and eleven. You just
can't overcome that many injuries. I don't care what the
logo on the side of your helmet is. And even
with Lamar, because they were offense, they blow people out,
but they smother you in the second half, like busting
huge runs. Right, It's not like you know, they're the
(41:06):
twenty eighteen Chiefs throwing bombs. So the way they've blown
a lot of people out in the half, it's a
little different than like some of these other teams. And
I do wonder if it's gonna really just it's it's
clearly throwing them off because they look terrible.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
John Metalcoff's our guest, thronounced the podcast. You can listen
to that podcast in the Volume podcast network. This is
the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
let's let's let's go around the league a little bit.
Have you. I can't figure out who to blame on
that Colts fumble and if he was I feel like
(41:45):
that the Colts fumble and the incomplete pass at the
end of the Florida State game. I don't know if
you saw that game are the same thing which those
guys are taught to always like at the end, just
tuck the ball. I tucked the ball, and they tried
to tuck it, and when they move it, that's when
they lose the ball. Like I'm watching the run in
Indy actually was in LA against the Rams. That was
(42:08):
incredible run, incredible touchdown, but it turned around the entire
game when he fumbled it through the end zone.
Speaker 11 (42:14):
Yeah, I mean, I've never had an issue with that rule.
I thought it was pretty bang bang too. Like watching it,
I'm just actually just pulled it up because I wanted
to watch it again. I thought to play where Jonathan Taylor.
I mean the thing if you're the Colts you feel
good is I think Jonathan Taylor has been through the
first four games like a top five non quarterback in
the league as a skill guy. Dean looks dominant, Yes,
(42:36):
and that run one thing you see And this is
where the you know, the defensive coaches, did you think
it was that egregious of a old No, you know,
and it's like I try to lean the defense, you know,
give him a little bit of grace because it's hard.
It's hard to play defense. It's hard to coach defense
now the rules are against you. And some of these
(42:58):
penalties and I think it half of a lot ticky
tack on defensive holding. But that was like, I mean,
I thought that negated. I don't know, like one of
the plays of the day. I mean, he's like he
looked like Ashton Genty looked, but even way better, like
spinning through the tackle. I'm still high. Like I liked
the Donnie Mitchell a lot in college. I like, halfway
(43:19):
through that game, I remember I was just kind of
taking notes on the NFL Sunday. One of the things
I wrote is like I think the cults are for real.
I know they ended up losing that game. Obviously, Stafford
isn't playing great. I mean, clearly the Rams are really good,
but a couple of freak things. I'm pretty bullish on
the Colts, like I think they're a twelve thirteen win team.
You know, throughout the season, something weird happens. But I
(43:42):
think it was more just like those two plays and
more of an outlier thing. I think they're gonna be
fine because I think Dan Jones looks good.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Pittsburgh. Was it that Minnesota's all banged up or are
they getting better? Well?
Speaker 11 (43:55):
I think TJ foot the switch last couple of weeks.
He looks a little bit better, and he's the heartbeat
of the squad. So when he goes, they feel more
physical on defense. Now you get your backup quarterback in there.
Like to me, a backup quarterback wins two games total.
He's underpaid. I think you and I have talked about this.
So every game the backup quarterback goes, and even Carson
(44:17):
Wentz doesn't look terrible, it's just not the same. Now
you can argue, we don't even know if JJ the
starting quarterback is good, but their offensive line they got
injuries again. It's kind of running for his life. It's
why like this week, one of my favorite best of
the week is the Browns to make this very interesting
against Minnesota. How are they going to block Miles Garrett
in that front? Makes a grant Like the Browns defense
(44:38):
is good and their front is good, they could be
a major, major problem. So the Feelers are in pretty
good shape right now. Right you got the Browns we
know are terrible. The Bengals, I mean, just got no shot.
They couldn't block Mi or you. And the Ravens just
have so many injuries and they're one and three that
even if they battle back, like getting the nine wins
(44:59):
feel like a miracle at this point in time. So
I think the Feelers you just got to keep Rogers
up right, and I don't see now when things can change.
He can get hurt. That to me is the big
wild card with him. Like, if you tell me Rogers
played seventeen games, I don't see how they don't win
the division.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, so
I'm reading several reports that the Browns look like they're
going to make a quarterback change and it's going to
be Dylan Gabriel. What do you make of the pace
of this change like to be made?
Speaker 11 (45:35):
Well, I mean, I think we kind of knew when
Flacco was signed to this god awful team that he,
you know what, was the overunder of games who was
gonna start because they weren't going to win many games.
But this is also like going back to that story
a couple of weeks ago. I'm pretty sure me and
you talked about it with Dion saying about like I
didn't get better on the stanch bold. Yeah, Deon, You've
(45:55):
never been on the bench in your entire light. It's
like shador standers. Like I was watching in the Ravens
game and the backup came in to start the fourth quarter.
I mean, he would have got reps in that game,
and they drafted a guy you said you don't want
to go to these teams. You could have been the
backup quarterback. You're not even the backup here. So I
think the coaches like Dylan Gabriel. Here's the thing, if
Dylan Gabriel shows any signs of life, he's gonna get
(46:18):
a very long rope because that's who the head coach
and who's also the play caller and also the quarterback
guy clearly.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
Likes Yeah, I think otherwise they want to draft. They
drafted him.
Speaker 11 (46:31):
Do you know what's gonna be sad though, Like everyone
on social media, like everyone's gonna be rooting. I guess
Dylan Gabriel Like, guys, you might want to google this kid.
He dominated at Oklahoma, then he went to Oregon dominated more.
Like this guy's not coming from UC Davis. Like check
his resume. It's not bad. I know he's small and listen,
I don't I didn't even like him as an NFL prospect,
(46:52):
but I do think the way we talked about him
was like, yeah, they just found this guy in like
D three. Like, guys, he was a starting quarterback last
year at Oregon, Like that was him, you know, the
guy that we just watched Depenn State more, he was
his backup. You know, there's no like sitout of the rules.
Like if he would have beat him out, they could
have gone with him, but he couldn't. Like Dylan Gabriels,
I mean, there's a reason some of these coaches like him,
(47:13):
even if I technically don't.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
Really why aren't the Packers better?
Speaker 11 (47:21):
I give you a pass on the Browns game, right,
you're on the road if the defense is good, but
you gotta when I give you a pass, meeting play
a bad game, but you gotta win. You can't lose.
You got to win that thing ten three or thirteen
to ten or whatever. You just get a win. Get out.
Last game's embarrassing. I know they got injuries, but I
do think it's an indictment on by de Parsons. You
(47:43):
trade two first round picks, you give the guy one
hundred and ninety million dollars, Like that's the type game
in their prime, Aaron Donald, Khalil Mack JJ Watt would
have been like, Okay, what am I doing? Four sacks,
a strip, bumble tipped interception. I'm taking this. All the
great players, I mean me and you have been watching
football forever, going back to the nineties. So Reggie White,
(48:04):
you name it, like, there's a weird game, our defense
not playing well, I'm going to take this thing over.
And it's like he's going up against a player. Who's
this guy back up left hand? Like who's he playing?
And besides the one play that he made at the
end of the game, which is a chase down tackle,
which is great, but it's like that they needed him
in that because the offense was doing their part right.
(48:25):
Offense lighting up the scoreboards. Defense is and shambles, but
they do have one in theory, great player who's definitely
paid forty seven million dollars a year, and it's like,
I just needed more.
Speaker 3 (48:36):
You know.
Speaker 11 (48:37):
The cowboys on defense don't have more to give. But
you get Michael Parsons's like and you'd be like, well,
he heard his back in the middle of the game.
Well he made the play on Dak what was like
in overtime, so he clearly was Okay, I think you're
a little like, hey man, and I can't imagine this
is like a goodah Kin slash lafward thing, like we
(48:57):
need you to take over. And that's the thing. You know,
a lot of wise men have said money doesn't change
who you are, Like he is that point, like this
is who Mike hit. You're not getting Reggie Wider Lawrence
Taylor in your prize. So maybe it's that's just what
he's gonna do. He's gonna have some good games, some
okay games. He's not like, uh, you know, ray Lewis
or something. This isn't you know, I know the media
(49:19):
annointed him, but I don't think very talented player. But
I don't think when it's all said and done, people
it's one of the greatest players of all time.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
Yeah, I don't think he's there, but I do think
he's very talented, plays hard. It just defies logic. Two
Blackfield goals two weeks in a row.
Speaker 11 (49:37):
Uh, the wheel with it threw my premise that they needed,
like that was a game for him to like get
get three sacks.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Something happened, Yes, yes, no question.
Speaker 11 (49:47):
The special teams. I mean, you know, Rich got elevated.
People love Rich Measascia right, Gruden forever, But you just
watch the special team to like that. Does anyone know
what's going on here?
Speaker 1 (49:58):
No? Hey, Johnny, great stuff. Thanks so much for joining us.
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The heart was always off-limits to surgeons. Cutting into it spelled instant death for the patient. That is, until a ragtag group of doctors scattered across the Midwest and Texas decided to throw out the rule book. Working in makeshift laboratories and home garages, using medical devices made from scavenged machine parts and beer tubes, these men and women invented the field of open heart surgery. Odds are, someone you know is alive because of them. So why has history left them behind? Presented by Chris Pine, CARDIAC COWBOYS tells the gripping true story behind the birth of heart surgery, and the young, Greatest Generation doctors who made it happen. For years, they competed and feuded, racing to be the first, the best, and the most prolific. Some appeared on the cover of Time Magazine, operated on kings and advised presidents. Others ended up disgraced, penniless, and convicted of felonies. Together, they ignited a revolution in medicine, and changed the world.