October 6, 2025 • 56 mins
On a Monday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug weighs in on the Philadelphia Eagles as they lost to Denver on Sunday, losing a considerable half-time lead.
Doug and the crew share what they loved most and hated most about the sports weekend in this installment of "Love AND Hate".
Doug makes a case for the Patriots winning their biggest game since before the pandemic. Doug welcomes former Chargers and Raiders GM Tom Telesco onto the show to talk about the exciting weekend of NFL action.
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
Welcome in. It's the best month of the year. I
won't hear it otherwise. Best month of the year.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
October sport Yeah, yeah, NBA teams preseason, get ready to start.
WNBA still playing and cavetching about officiating. College football, we
told you the weekends. It's like the you know, people
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always say it's the quiet ones you have to watch
out for. Right, It's the same with college football weekends,
Dan Byer, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
It's the quiet ones you have to work look out for.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
And you're like, ah, Florida, they stink, They're not gonna
beat Texas. Yes, Ucla they fired to Sean Foster, Penn
State's way better, doesn't matter. Cincinnati jumps up and beats
Iowa State like you name it. There were upsets galore
this weekend on what was supposed to be a quiet
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college football weekend, and then you have the National Football League,
which gave us upsets. It's not just that Philly lost,
It's not just that Buffalo lost. It's that Buffalo lost
to the Pats, who weren't a playoff team, fired their
coach and haven't looked great to start the season. And
Philly lost to Denver, who playoff team last year with
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super soft schedule and looked like a team that again
can beat the bad teams, can't beat the good teams,
and were down big. But a funny thing happened on
the way to five and zero for the Philadelphia Eagles.
They collapse and the Broncos end up getting a gigantic
road win. Here's Nick Sirianni, head coach of the defending
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Super Bowl champion Eagles, on the loss.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
I think that the guys have worked extremely hard in preparation.
I see the same hunger that is that was there
prior to us winning the Super Bowl. So I don't
think it's it's anything like that. Again, just the name
of this game is always going to come down to,
you know, detail, and you know as far as us
as coaches and players know we weren't detailed enough today
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and they were a little more detailed than us.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Now, Listen, that sounds very coach speaking, right, What really happened? Nick?
Who you're really going to fire? Uh?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
And we'll get to something in a second. Kind of
the obvious aj Brown, elephant in the room, Seguon Barkley
thirty yards rushing. That tells you a lot. I would
also say that I think when when a coach points
out detail, he is talking about the offense, he is
talking about the offensive coordinator. And when you're a new
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play caller, oftentimes and I experienced this, I'm not casting,
I'm not I know, I live in a glass house
and so this is not throwing rocks here, but when
your first time play caller, oftentimes you focus on the
play or the rhythm or something you saw like you
just need experience doing it, and one of the things
that gets left out is oftentimes the detail. Oftentimes the detail.
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You have to coach every detail of every play, and
there has to be a reason that you're trying that
play and has to give outs that the defense guess
is wrong. There's got to be a counter to it.
And all those different things. It feels like there's something missing,
and it's felt like there's something missing with the Eagles.
The reason the Eagles were undefeated to this point and
have won so many games over the last couple of
years in the regular season is they have cracked the
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hardest part of the winning code, which is just how
do you win games late? Just finding a way running
the football. I mean, would they be a defending Super
Bowl champion it wasn't for the tush push. I don't
think so, because the tush push has covered up for
many a stalled drives where they get to fourth and two,
fourth and one and then they just get the first
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go for it on the first down, whereas everybody else
in the NFL has punted. So their offense isn't really
as good as anyone could perceive it to be going
back to previous years, and then this year you lose
your offensive coordinator. Your offense isn't sharp. Jalen Hurts he
is limited as a passer. It doesn't mean that he
can't throw a football. It doesn't mean that he's bad.
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It just means that it's not what he does best.
His intangibles, his toughness, yes, his ability to scramble is
abileit to get first downs and then he can be
a very accurate underneath thrower and be a really good quarterback.
But if you put the ball in his hands and
say we're gonna drop back sixty times and win a game,
somebody does best. I also want to make sure I
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don't diminish the Broncos like it's super important to not
diminish the Broncos. Yes, the offense, and you have a
bow Nicks who's been playing good ball and will play
for you what John Payton said about it, But what
about the defense. This is an Eagles team that is
built is built for this type of game. Get a
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leader early, run the football, put pin your ears back
and rush the passer. And for a team that's built
like that at home to have a big lead to
the loss shows you there's a lot more going on
in Philadelphia than just their offense struggling, Which brings us
to aj Brown when you're true obviously trying to force
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him the football. This is what happened to Dante Culpepper
with the Minnesota Vikings. Who remembers it. Dante Culpepper had
two problems, one fumbling two, forcing the ball to Randy Moss.
Yet forcing the ball to Randy Moss? And yeah, do
you want to keep Randy Moss happy?
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yet?
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Do you want to keep Randy Moss engage? Sure is
mot was Raindy Moss one of the elite wide receivers
in the history of the NFL. Yes, But if you
force it to him, there's just a there's a fine
line there. They'll start picking him off, They'll start playing
for it and intercepting it, and that's eventually what I
thought cost him his career. It feels like that's what
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they're doing in Philly. Aj Brown is such a gigantic
pain in the backside that they're like, fine, let's just
take some of the pressure off Jalen. Get the ball
to AJ Brown, let him make some place. We're paying
to a bunch of money. We can't get rid of him.
And he is really talented, but it's not really who
the Eagles are, And it's throwing everybody out of rhythm
trying to get this one guy some touches, and it
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throws a play colorad of rhythm. Here's Sean Payton talking
about his second year quarterback Bo Nicks.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
You know when you play something like that, You're gonna
get punched and it's not gonna be easy. But we
kept fighting. And that's that's what I was most encouraged about,
just the fight, the grit, you know. And then you
felt that this is a funny thing. That momentum shifted,
and when that happened, it's pretty powerful.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
The momentum did shift. It did shift.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
We had so much stuff to cover. I mean, the
way the Seahawks game ended, Buyer, can I just ask you,
because I know you and Carry I think you were
on the air at that time, right when you're watching,
and Sam Donald had played so well up into that moment.
There's like, what was like fifty two seconds to go
in the game, and the Seahawks have the ball with
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a chance to drive down and kick a field goal
and win the game. And I didn't think anybody was open.
But he did get hit as he released the ball,
which clearly caused the ball and then the ball hit
a defensive lineman's helmet which caused it to ricochet.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
But it also felt like, do we.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Need to be throwing this ball over the middle right
here late when you could just there's nothing there throw
it away. What were your thoughts on the the interception
which ultimately befell your Seahawks.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Yeah, I mean it was a bad decision. Hearing Donald
explain it after the game, he said that there was
a receiver that he missed at that time and shouldn't
have thrown the football and yeah, when you do it
in your own territory when the team just needs to
Then on the turnover, they actually did have an opportunity
to get a stop. But still it's more of the
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team could have been four and one and maybe eluding
all of the things of Sam Donald that maybe they
were worried about entering this season and one popped up
in the worst opportune time yesterday.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Oh, it's crazy. There's so much football this weekend. So
much football this weekend, and a baseball comeback, and we
got baseball tonight as well.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
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the show comes out at the top of what would
be the third hour of the show. But the Sanchez
story Mark Sanchez story continues to evolve into being a
crazy one and a weird one, and there's lots of Hey,
when a story comes down, make sure you take a
take a beat, maybe even just let it breathe before
(09:37):
you send out a tweet over what you think on
a situation you have no idea about. But is that
the weirdest one eighty on stories in recent memory? Like
I woke up Saturday morning, like, holy crap, Mark Sanchez
and you hear a guy get stabbed and he's in
(09:58):
Indian And I was just.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
In Indie last week.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
We had the Horizon League meetings last week and a
media day last week, and like really, like I know
where everybody stays for those games. That's not a tough area.
Has tough areas in every town, not right there. You
know what do you do when you come in to
call a game, a Colts game, Well, you go to practice,
then you go back and you have dinner with the
crew at Saint Elmo's and you have really really spicy
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shrimp cocktail. Couple pops, walk back to the hotel, go
to sleep, wake up the next day. You know, you'll
you'll have production meetings, and then you watch college football
and get ready for your game. That's what you're doing.
And you wake up and he stabbed and you're like,
what what what just happened? And the people that wanted
to score political points try to do that Saturday morning,
the thoughts and prayers, posse did that, and then all
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of a sudden, you know, the police report comes out.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
You're like, wait what.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Then video comes out yesterday, You're like, this is this
is nuts.
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the Bills lost, Eagles lost, Penn State lost, a lot,
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a lot of l's taken this weekend by by your
boys in the studio here at fed Fox Sports Radio.
Didn't hurt us, Sammy that I was State lost, right,
We don't know. Love lost for the clones as they
go in where the loose to the Bearcats.
Speaker 7 (12:05):
Although I did have Iowa State winning as my gambler pick.
So please nobody listen to my gambler pick. Ever home
Dogs getting a big get in the bark. We do
this every Monday.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
It's a great way to uh sprinkle around different thoughts
about different sports because there's a bunch from the weekend.
We do both the positive and the negative. On the
Doug Outleb Show, we call it love and hate.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
What did you love?
Speaker 2 (12:29):
God?
Speaker 6 (12:29):
I love you and what did you hate?
Speaker 8 (12:32):
Need these player haters?
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Love love love love love love Do do do Do Do? Do?
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Do?
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Mhm?
Speaker 1 (12:51):
I love UCLA's win over Penn State. Now I've heard
people say I actually heard one of our hosts say, like, oh,
can you imagine being the ad at you where nobody
shows up? Hey, look again, let's just cut the brass tacks.
UCLA started school last week. First week, full week of
school was last week. They'd already fired their coach. Right,
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you start out zero to four, you've fired your coach,
which means the whole team is not going to be
there next year. It's already an hour from campus. It's
hard enough to get people there anyway. So again, I
USCLA in the Big Ten makes sense and that they'll
fill that stadium.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Just don't fire the head coach three weeks in. But
what I loved about.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
It is.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
I'm sympathetic towards James Franklin because a lot of the
record versus ranked teams was when he was at Vanderbilt,
and when he was at Vanderbilt, it wasn't a fair fight.
Even now, Vanderbilt back to heights that they haven't seen
in my lifetime. Vanderbilt now is pretty well fund it
not to the Alabama level, not to the Georgia level,
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but they got some alums, they got some money. Nashville
is huge. When James Franklin got there, that wasn't the case.
He did a really good job at a time in
which it was very difficult for Vanderbilt to.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Compete in the SEC.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
So I've always been sympathetic, but there's a certain amount
of aloofness to him, which is has has become part
of his persona. There's also like Big ten schools, the
good ones, the Penn States, the Michigan's, the Ohio States,
they have an aloofness to them as well. And I'm
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sure they thought, ah, we'll get in the plane, UCLA rollover,
nobody's gonna be there, we'll get out with a win.
Funny thing happened on the way back into the top ten.
They got popped by the Bruins.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
I love it. It's what sports is about.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
And we saw some of this last year where when
you're the last place team, teams don't always come in prepared.
They may be prepared by their coaching staff, but emotionally prepared.
I think when you factor in James Franklin's newfound confidence,
boardline arrogance to Penn State coming off of a devastating
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loss to Oregon, and just those UCLA kids finding a
way to win a game, I thought it was amazing.
Speaker 9 (15:25):
Help me out here, guys, because you guys follow college
football more than I do, so this was off my radar.
Could you just tell me how a team and a
major conference can somehow get twenty six points at home
to start a game. How does that even? They were
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down as many as twenty right, Penn State, Yes, and
they were giving twenty six at some point in that game.
There was a discrepancy if you added the spread of
fifty points. Yes, Like, how do lines makers make that
big a mistake?
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Well?
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Lines makers are interesting. They only get credit. They never
get blame. Right when a game ends up close and
like one point past the spread either way, we all
do the same thing.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Vegas, how do they know, the sharps, that's Vegas? How
do they know? You know? The truth is, Jase do
They don't?
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Now they get closer on a higher percentage, but they
don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
But that'll only.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
I think reiterates my point, which is everyone thought this
game is going to be non competitive.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Except Ucla.
Speaker 7 (16:40):
Well, yeah, I think that the book makers, the sharps
there in Vegas, thought Penn State would get off, would
go far west and let them have it we're mad, yeah,
and play mad and beat Ucla you know by twenty six.
But the opposite happened. They went west. The time change,
maybe the time zones. They weren't locked in the Oregon
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Ducks were still living rent free in their head. And
if I may seamlessly transition to my love, it was
watching assistant Jerry Neuheisel being carried off, carried off on
guy's shoulders, off of the field. They're at the Rose Bowl.
Jerry Neuhaisel, of course, son of former UCLA coach Rick
new Heisel, who never really got it going there in Westwood.
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He's been on the staff since twenty eighteen in various roles,
and just to see him, he probably, you know, helped
cook up the scheme, the game plan to beat beat
the Penn State Nitni Lions. And you got a quarterback
in Nico Amaliava. I don't even know if I said
that right, but very talented guy. I'm sure he didn't
think that oh to four was going to be in
his future with the Bruins or a coach. Let go,
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so for them to get that win and Jerry Newhisel
carried off the field, that was my love of the weekend.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Dan Byer, Nico just wanted zeros and fours and commas
in his paycheck. You didn't carry necessarily on the the record.
I'm gonna have a little bit about this in my hate.
Actually it's going to be a lot about this, but
I will stay in college football and I will just
say I love how no one is paying attention to
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Ohio State right now. The number one team of the country,
and they won last week at Washington, which was a
solid win. But heard a few people chirping on how
they're not opening it up with Julian Saying as their quarterback,
and why not just let a guy drop back fifty
times in his first ever start on the road. Why
not just do that. No, they're they're bringing him along.
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And I really think like it cannot be understated on
how good Jeremiah Smith is and Carnel Tate went completely
off this past weekend because Minnesota was so obsessed with
trying to stop Jeremiah Smith, by the way, still got
his eighty yards and a touchdown. It is he may
not win the Heisman, but there is no doubt when
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you talk about the best player in college football, it
is him. He affects the game so much. But nobody
is talking about Ohio State at all. Maybe they will.
They're at Illinois coming up this weekend. They got Wisconsin,
then they have Penn State coming to town, so maybe
at that point they'll start talking about him again. But
everything is the current underneath, talking a lot about Miami,
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talking about Penn State and the others. But Buck Guy's
dominated Minnesota on Saturday and they're still number one.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Jason sing you, Doug.
Speaker 9 (19:32):
I'll take it from here. I'm gonna make it four
for four.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Where's the drop? I'll take it from here, thank you.
Speaker 9 (19:39):
None of our loves are going to be about anything
NFL rewayed, because my love is Japanese people. I love
Japanese people. Anything you ever read about Japanese people, and
I'm sorry if I'm giving into stereotypes or tropes is
that they are from clean and filled with a sense
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of duty. Each of those things are extreme positive human conditions,
and if it's a stereotype, then I apologize. I especially
love Japanese people when they are bookend pitchers on a
team that I root for. To win a playoff game,
I was convinced they would lose. Sho Halo Tani struck
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out nine Phillies and six innings to get the win
on Saturday. More importantly, he kept the Phillies one of
the best hitting teams in baseball. They're top four hitters
to for one for thirteen, one hit thirteen at bats,
sho Hao Tani gets a win, Roki Sasaki comes in
and gets the save. I love Japanese people. Let's go Dodgers,
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want to come back for those. Let's get to it.
Speaker 7 (20:57):
Those are all true, even through stereotypes. They're positive ones.
They're true.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Let's get to the other side of the pillow, the
hate side of the pillow. Dan, you felt like you
got something boiling up in there, let it out.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
Well, I just the Penn State Texas conversation. I'm not
trying to give a break to arch Manning and trying
to give one to Sark, but I just think that
they are two completely different conversations. And losing at Florida,
no matter what you think Florida is, is not even
close to losing to an zero to four UCLA team
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that has gone through what they have gone through correct.
And I don't think that Texas was in the position
that Penn State was, where everybody was coming back this
year to right the wrongs of what happened last year
and to have those these two outcomes, to have them
fall like that, we're grouping Texas in with Penn State,
where I think the Penn State situation is completely separate.
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I just I have no idea how you get down
twenty points to Jason's point in that game, like they
had to rally to even be competitive in the contest.
There was a point late in the UCLA game where
I just thought the forces were on Penn State side
where the UCLA kid catches the ball out of the backfield.
Do you remember this third down play? No one's in
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front of him, somehow he loses his footing and falls
down at like the twenty nine and a half or
thirty four and a half yard line and is short
of a first down. And then the UCLA goes for
it out of the shotgun, doesn't get it and turns
the ball over, and you're like, Okay, it's Penn State's day.
But then again it wasn't, and those losses. Jims Franklin
was only at Vanderbilt for three years, so the record
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against the top ten teams it is foreign twenty one
when he's been at Penn State. And now you have
this team that comes in again where we're gonna let's
win a national championship. Drew Aller the first overall pick.
They know anything like it, and I know last week
may have taken something out of him. There's no excuse
to lose to Ucla the way that they did. So
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it's I hate that Texas and Penn State are put
in this group because they were both top ten teams
and lost on the road. But the Penn State situation
is so much further down the road for me on
what is you know, just what has been a disappointing
couple of weeks where Penn State. Not that I'm giving
Texas and out, I just think Penn State's is much
much worse.
Speaker 7 (23:21):
Add one thing on there too, probably not an empty
seat at the Swamp, many empty seats at the Rose Bowl.
So you're going to a place where Texas loses and
it's a very very hard place to play.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
UCLA does a blue out with that's they're going to
try to make the Rose Bowl blue to intimidate Penn
State coming out. And a lot of that blue was tarp, yes,
and the other was probably Navy for the for the
ninty Lions as well.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
But hey, thanks, maybe it worked. Thank you for saying it.
Your heart later that all right? Jay Steele you're kind
of a resident hater. Why don't you go ahead.
Speaker 9 (23:58):
I hate when Survivor picks and fantasy teams lose because
of a decision by one player. His name is Amai
dame Mercado de mercado in uh in Spanish, Oh.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Man, I had a de marcado from Starbucks. It's really good. Yeah.
Speaker 9 (24:18):
I think in Spanish, I means of the market. I
think amare should be in the market, as in on
the waiver market and free agent market of the waiver market.
Uh So, for those that didn't see this, guy took
a uh took a run what sixty plus yards and
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dropped the ball before the end zone, costing the Cardinals
the game, costing a lot of people their Survivor picks,
as the Cardinals were a popular choice yesterday, and it
cost me my Fantasy week. So Amari de Marcado. John
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Jonathan Gannon, the head coach of the Cardinals, was asked
after the game about that play.
Speaker 8 (25:05):
As a coach, what do you say to him? It's
never about one play.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
We have coaching points that I'm not going to tell
you guys now.
Speaker 9 (25:14):
Now that contradicts the video that all of us have seen.
Right Gannon walked up to him and gave him an earful,
which he should have. While he was getting an earful,
he was getting consoled by a teammate. If and Calherd
made this point this morning. If I'm a teammate, I'm
not consoling the guy. I'm a teammate. I'm saying you're
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letting us down. We practice hard, we go to work
every day and your showboting, your need to show off
in that moment just cost us a game. Why would
I console you. I hate Amari day Mercado, I hate
losing Survivor picks, and I hate losing my with my
fantasy football team.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
Jason did lose by less than six points with a
Mario de Mercado on his roster.
Speaker 9 (26:08):
You know what, there's I'm sorry doan real fast so
on the on the podcast that comes up at the
top of the hour, I asked, I ask uh, Doug
and Sam this, I'm gonna ask you. Remember last December
when we went around the room and I said, do
you think these guys are dropping the ball on purpose
to show off or are they doing it accidentally? And
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we were split down the middle. Sam and Doug thinks
that it's an accident thing or something. They're too excited
about carelessness you and I think it's on purpose. Have
you changed your take on that?
Speaker 5 (26:40):
No, not at all, absolutely not. It's and you need
to start developing end zone celebrations with the football involved,
because that means you'll hold on to it into the
end zone. So that's like a baby yeah, like, yeah,
do something like that. I go make a make a
baseball thing. You were We talked about this earlier. You
were you were do it. You were actually working when
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we were just talking, and.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
I said, I think part of it is coaching, though,
is you can talk about it, but you actually have
to do it, and you have to make it every
time we go into the end zone. Guys, you two
hands on the football until you are all the way
and then hand the ball. We're gonna be the team
that hands the ball to the official. Or you can
even do the Australian rules thing, or you can plant
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the ball down on the field, but only in the
back of the end zone, the white of the end zone.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
That way you've cleared, like make it like the finish line.
You go through, run through the finish line.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
But I think it's something you gotta practice like, we
actually practice, and I took this from coach Sutton, we
practice how to save the basketball.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Why does that matter?
Speaker 1 (27:45):
How many times you watch a basketball game, ball goes
going out of bounds underneath somebody's own basket and they
throw it underneath their own basket and you're like, don't
throw it underneath throw a basket. Yeah, but did you
actually practice that? And you're like, well, he's twenty years old,
he should know. But as he ever actually practiced it,
we practice it. So to me, again, I can't be
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critical of coaches when players make these sorts of dumb
ass plays. They're gonna make dumb ass plays. But in
this one, how many times have we seen it already?
Speaker 2 (28:14):
This year? Three or four beeen, College of Pro.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
Well, we've seen it in back to back weeks in
the National Football League, Okay.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
And I've seen it in college at least once or twice.
So we seen it again. Practice it. Everybody's watching practice it. Hey, guys,
we're gonna practice every day we go through the end zone.
We're gonna run over and hand the ball to Because
I think I still think the Florida State catch. I
even think I may have changed, and what was the
guy for the Colts last week, ad Ni Mitchell. Ad
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Ni Mitchell, I do think ad Ni Mitchell, he was
trying to show the ball like I don't think he
was trying to show, but I think he was trying
to show the ball and it slipped out of his hands.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
And I thought that.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
At Florida State, the wide receiver who babbled it, babbled it,
babbled it all ten year yards, finally caught it but
was out of bounds. I thought it was the ball
move because he was trying to secure it. They're taught
to when you get it secured in your strong hand, right.
I thought he's trying to secure it. That's where the
ball movement took place. So I think that actually was coached.
I think these had to be coached.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
I will say something to Jason's point about the video
clip that maybe not everybody has scene of Jonathan Gannon
ripping into De Marcado and the player consoling him, and
I just used Romandre Stevenson as the example. We see
the Patriots last night beat the Bills and some people
were surprised. My teammate on Sunday, Carry Rhods picked it.
A week a ghostas New England's going to go to
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Buffalo and win. Nice They turned the ball over five
times in that loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers. New England
did and Romandre Stevenson had a fumble at the goal line.
In fact, in this game against Buffalo, Romandre Stevenson fumbled
in the first quarter. But Romondre Stevenson wasn't showboating into
the end zone when he fumbled. So if you want
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to go to Romondre Stevenson and say, dude, we're gonna
need you in this game. You're our physical runner, Ye,
get your head in the game, I'm totally cool with that.
And I think that's what the Patriots did because Romandre
Stevenson scores two touchdowns later in the game for New England. Here,
if you're Jonathan Gannon, you said you aren't gonna play anymore.
I don't think anybody would have a problem with that. Like,
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there's physical mistakes, there's mental mistakes, and then there's the
mistakes of show voting. And I think players shouldn't have
gone up to De Marcado like he bleeped up big time.
If you want to do it to Romondre Stevenson, go
right ahead, but that in Arizona last you know, yesterday
cost them a game and may just may cost people
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their jobs because of no question.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
I'm with you, Sammy, send me hated.
Speaker 7 (30:40):
I could go with the boring hate that I was
sort of thinking about of refs letting the play clock
go down to zero and then minus one before calling
a delay of game. And I just see this way
too often, where like they're giving quarterbacks and offenses an
extra beat. But I'm not going to talk about that.
I somehow found a way to wedge it in there.
I'm going to talk about shrink flation. I went to
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the grocery store yesterday and I thought, you know what,
I'd really love to have a stuffed crust pizza. But
I'm not gonna do delivery. I'm gonna do blank. Okay,
So I bought the pizza. It was on sale, but
you know, it still will go back to its normal
price at some point. I opened this baby up and
it's a straight medium.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
It is.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
It is not a large.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
Have you ever tried on a shoe, especially in your kid,
and the shoe is just so much bigger than your
foot and then you go feel your toe and you're
like Oh, look at all that space, and the pizza
was like the toe in there, and then the box
was the shoe. And I'm like, open this thing up,
and I'm like, I paid twelve bucks for this medium,
and I'm like, man, we are still not out of
the woods here with inflation and shrinkflation. And sometimes I'd
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rather just pay more but get the same size pizza,
because that was a bummer. Man, that irritated me. You know,
it's not delivery, it's something else. Yeah, well maybe I
should have gotten pizza. Hudder, Domino's stuff crust on your
first part. I was gonna say this last week when
the Packers Cowboys game. It's why we need tens of
a second on game clocks. Maybe you need them on
the play clock, I'm not sure, but there's there's an
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absolute need for the National Football League. Are you noticing
this too? Did these guys get an extra beat on? Well,
that's the rule, that's what they're allowed to Yes, you
are allowed to get an extra beat, but then when
do you actually call the penalty correct?
Speaker 1 (32:22):
So appreciate Yeah, a lot of times they don't make
calls now because they're worried about the replay. Overturning them
lots of things they're done with NFL officiating.
Speaker 5 (32:30):
I'm seeing zeros though, and I'm like, yes, you can
snap it at zero, they give you that pause.
Speaker 7 (32:36):
But I'm even seeing like I think it was during
the Chargers Commanders game, it just felt like there was
a it should have been a blatant and even talked
about a blatant violation there, and I just don't get
it. It feels a little abstract, but I'd rather I'm a
little bit more steamed over shrinkflation, Okay.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
I I I hate where people went to score political
points on the Mark Sanchez thing. Whether the story came
out as it has been, which is the exact opposite
of what people thought initially, however it came out like
these are news stories. Why do we have to score
political points the moment that something happens, if somebody can
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help me, like and and some of these people are
my friends that I like. But it's when you live
in this world where ooh, I can score, I can
say I was Basically it's like I was right, my
point was right, my side is right, and one you
don't have all the facts.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Two, even when you do have all the facts.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
There's a lot of stuff, there's a lot of nuance
to it, and I just I don't know how we've
gotten to this place where human interest stories, stories of
crimes that are individual based are used to make a
bigger point immediately. And it also causes something that I
(34:00):
learned from Jays two, which is what about ism? Right,
just we can take one story from either side and
use it to make a bigger story. I just not
every story requires you to one hop on board before
the story comes out, too, which we're learning with the
Mark Sanchez story. And two, you don't need to use
every story, or even most stories to make some political stance.
(34:22):
Let the politicians make it. They'll make asses of themselves.
That's their job for you. Wait till the whole story
comes out, and if you want to reference it in
the future, you can always go back to referencing.
Speaker 7 (34:33):
It and using an anecdote to try to prove a
larger point that something generally is happening. It's just not
the good way to go. And it turns out that
that anecdote was If the anecdote was the Mark Sanchez case, ye,
all the details were wrong. This was between two people
and it was seemingly Mark Sanchez.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
And some parking Weston too. Yeah, it's probably like what
did I just walk into?
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah? And that's loving.
Speaker 6 (34:58):
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Speaker 1 (35:09):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio. How long
ago was the pandemic?
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Five years ago?
Speaker 5 (35:16):
Right?
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Five years ago? It was twenty twenty one.
Speaker 7 (35:20):
I was a pandemic well started in March of twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
March twenty twenty.
Speaker 7 (35:25):
Yeah, five and a half years after the fact.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Okay, fair enough, five and a half years.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Can anybody remember a better Patriot win post pandemic than
the win last night in Buffalo?
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Think about this.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
This is previous to the pandemic for twenty years. Honestly,
most of its starting on the first weekend after September eleventh.
That's when Tom Brady first came It became the starting quarterback,
right mo Lewis ends up knocking out Drew Bledsoe. That
was like a week and a half after nine to eleven,
first game back. So subsequently from a terrorist attack tragedy
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into international, international, global pandemic. In between those two, those
bookend the Patriots, the most consistently successful team in the
National Football League post pandemic. It's been a mess, right,
Cam Newton. I thought the year that they had Cam
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Newton was unbelievable coaching, but they weren't any good. They
won seven games with a bad football team because remember
after the pandemic, you had the opt outs, and they
had eight guys opt out, all of whom were starters.
They were in cap heal. They had guys opt out.
They had Cam Newton couldn't throw football, right, He won
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three games not throwing for one hundred yards. The next
year it got not better. You draft a rookie quarterback,
he's not good. It's the end of the Belichick era.
Then last year you hire a brand new coach. It
lasts for exactly seventeen games, and you wipe that clean.
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I'm sure there's other good wins there, because we're not
all hardcore Patriot. Well, they got this one, and this
was goy fine, But in Week five to go into
the undefeated Buffalo Bills stadium, right when the Bills, I mean,
are they perfectly healthy? I know, but I mean it's
Josh Allen healthy. Yeah, Like they're at home last time,
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they're playing New England in that stadium, and it's always
been a house of horse for Buffalo against the Bill
Belichick Patriots, not as much recently.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
To go in and win that game, I can't.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Part of it is I think most of us are
in the bag for their coach and be like that
seems like a guy I'd like to play for. It
hadn't hit until yesterday. Those are the type of wins
that turn around a franchise.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
It doesn't.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
It can be a one off. You can go home
feeling too good about yourself then lose a couple of games,
but you have to have those moments, moments for confidence,
not just for the players, but for the players to
believe in the staff. Some wins matter more. You're like, well,
(38:35):
that's not the way it works, Doug. You know there's
seventeen games and every win andever loss that's not You
go into Buffalo and look, Stefan Diggs had been okay,
hadn't been very good this year, right, But you get
Stefan Diggs to where he wins that game and he's
made it's some sort of triumphant hero like gladiatorial return
to his former home and look, Stefan Diggs was a.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
There's a word starts with the D and it's the K.
It's four letters.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Oftentimes he would he just he pushed him hisself out
of there. Let's not act like the Bills were at fault.
But if you're New England, it gets Stefan Diggs fully
bought in because you can draw on that as a coach.
Hey man, we go up there and beat Buffalo like
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you said you want to do. Yeah, all right, come on,
dig in, buy into what we're doing. More big wins
that come and he's like, yeah, I'm in.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
I'm in.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
And when you have guys that can go either way,
he's a fifty to fifty guy.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
He can help you, he can hurt you. He will
you win that game.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
I think it turns around Stefan Diggs. Maybe not long term,
but for the next four or five games, he's all
in on whatever you want to tell him to do.
You don't throw him the ball, you want him to
block the whole game, he'll do it. Biggest win since
the pandemic. Here's Mark Mike Brabel on what he thinks
after of his team after five weeks, we'll want.
Speaker 10 (39:59):
To start faster, but we finished really well and you
don't settle down. And so again, I'm just really proud
of the whole team for being able to come into
this road environment. You know, we talk about a lot
of other people that had cracks of beating them here.
You know, for fourteen games, they had their opportunity, and
we and those players took advantage of that opportunity and
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beat a really good football team. We're confident coming in here,
so I guess it don't probably help, but we'll have
to start over and uh continue to improve. We talked
about how we have to improve along the way, and
this was the next step that we needed to take.
So we'll pick up the pieces and get back to
work as soon as we get on the plane.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
And see if you can bounce back. You can use
that to buttress you and to you know, kind of
springboard gena more wins. It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here
on Fox Sports Radio, and it's that time to catch
up with our good friend Tom Tellusco, former gentle manager
of the Chargers for eleven years, Raiders last year, and
he's our gentlem manager here on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
(41:04):
Let's start with with last night Buffalo, your hometown by
the way, undefeated coming in and you got the Patriots,
and the Patriots have been just up and down this
year with Rabel in his first year.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
What happened?
Speaker 8 (41:19):
Yeah, you know, going into the year, I was not
probably on the Patriot bandwagon at first. I just thought
they were still a year or two away talent wise.
But I've just been so impressed with the job like
Rabel's doing, just with the culture of the team number one,
And then you combine that the fact with GM is
Elliott Wolf. Elliott knows players really well. So you take
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a GM that knows talent, Mike Rabel knows how to
build a team, and they're much farther along than I
thought they would be. They went out in the off season.
They basically bought a new defense in the off season.
And it's one thing to have a lot of cap
space and be able to spend that money, just like
it's one thing to have a lot of n al
money to spend on portal players, but you have to
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spend on the right players, and the Patriots signed the
right guys and their defense is playing really well, and
now it's not great for long term development, but for
short term it's it's really it's really helping them out.
And then Drake May was outstanding last night. So they're
farther along than I thought. Now Buffalo, it's hard, like
they've been so good for so long and really at
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this point do anything that matters right now it's how
they play in a playoffs, So it's hard to have
a stinger for all seventeen weeks. I'm not overly concerned
about them. The offense is still going to be fine.
In the end. The game really came down to turnovers
because England offense. I mean, I know Drake May played
pretty well, but they didn't. New England didn't run the
ball that well. They didn't play very long third down
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I think they were less than thirty percent. They give
up four sacks, but the turnovers made the difference. But
New England just the way they played, the toughness, the
situational football was impressive.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of Tom Telasco. Ravens are one in four now
beginning of their season. Obviously, the Browns win, but outside
of that, they played three really good teams in the Bills,
the Lions, and the Chiefs. Now they lose to the Texans,
they get blown out, they don't have Lamar Jackson rams
up next. This this reminds me on so many levels
of what college football coaches are going through, right where
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here's a guy in John Harbaugh who's won since he's
been there, right like, literally haven't had a bad year,
and now all of a sudden you catch a couple
of l's where you kind of they didn't overschedule the
NFL kind of overschedule them early. Then your quarterback gets
hurt and now you're in a world of pain and
maybe come out of the bye week he can get
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Lamar back. But until then, you know, if you're staring
down one in five in the face, that's hard, that's
hard to climb climb out of. And now you get
the well, maybe they've topped out under John Harbaugh. What's
that like from a GM's perspective, where you have a
guy who's won for a decade and all of a
sudden you catch a bad mix of schedule, injury, injuries,
and probably not nearly as good defensively as they've been.
Speaker 8 (43:59):
That's John Harbaugh has a body of work that you
can put up against anybody, so he'll be able to
figure out where how they can weather the storm, which
they're going to have to do. I mean, they're the
amount of players they have out due to injury is
just staggering and it's hard to recover from. And it's
not just starters. These are impact players. So he's gonna
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have to put a plan together just to weather the storm.
And that's what they're going to have to do. And
the only issue is on defense. When they were healthy,
they were giving up a lot of points. I mean,
they were giving up almost thirty points a game when
they had most of their starters out there. Now, like
you said, they played some good teams, but it's supposed
to be a really good defense, So that has to change.
That has to get fixed. But they've always had you know,
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the Ravens haven't always just skated through the regular season
in prior years. They've had their roughs, they've had their downs.
But offensively right now they're gonna have to come up
with a plan. It's interesting they signed Cooper Rush as
their back quarterback, and I say that's interesting just because
he's a completely different style than Lamar. So you can
look at it as the opponents now they have to
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prepare a little bit differently depending on who the quarterback
going to be. But also on Baltimore side, you have
to have two different offenses because they're both completely different
skill sets. So what I'd like to see from Baltimore
is just spread the ball out amongst their playmakers more.
It's just kind of the way Buffalo plays. Buffalo doesn't
have a true number one on offense, but they spread
the ball amongst their tight ends and receivers. It just
seems like the Ravens they move into this, it's all
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Derrick Henry as all the flowers, and Bateman doesn't get
a lot of targets their tight end and he's getting
some more. Andrews he's getting some more, but he hasn't
gotten that many. Hopkins only had two targets the other day.
So if we could spread the ball out a little
bit more to make teams defend us, it's going to
help them. But they just have to weather the storm
right now. They're still not out of it.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
You mentioned that you pay attention to that Cowboys game. Obviously,
Dak put up gigantic numbers. And if there's been one
takeaway from the Cowboys decision, it's that he does some
things that leave us scratching our heads. But keeping Brian
Schottenheimer and Dak Prescott together, he's benefited greatly from it.
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When you watch that game, though, what'd you see?
Speaker 8 (46:12):
Well, I think you're absolutely right. And when you pay
Dak Prescott what they pay them, you expect the quarterback
to raise the level of everybody around you, and that's
what Dak has done. And I've been at Dak fan.
I think he's an elite player when he's healthy. He
hasn't been real healthy. He's healthy the last couple of years.
But to see what he's doing right now, they're offensive.
There's a number of teams right now, Minnesota, the Chargers
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and some others that have offensive lines that are really
banged up. Dallas's offensive line is really banged up. But
they're still moving the ball on scoring points. So that's
that's the credit to Dallas and the depth that they have.
But also how Dak is playing now A got t
d lamb out who's their best receiver, but they're spreading
the ball around to Ferguson to to the receivers, so
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they're still moving the ball that way. Javonte Williams, they're
running back. They sign in Pregency was a great signing
their personnel staff. He was an excellent player at North Carolina.
I had a knee injury with the Broncos, Hatt and
Quitton gotten back to Woie was was pre injury. He
may be back now. So it's really nice to see
them with that offense, even though they have some injuries
that the quarterbacks still lead them and he's playing out
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standing football right now.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Was Philly,
Were they just fell asleep at the wheel? Or is
this the sign of things that have been brewing underneath
the surface. They clearly tried to force the ball to
aj Brown to their own detriment.
Speaker 8 (47:36):
Yeah, I totally agree, And look Lizzy Kellen Moore, who's
now the head coach of the Saints. That's a big deal,
and he's one of the best play callers in the NFL.
He's an experienced play caller. So now you move in
Kevin Petulo, who's been on the staff, so they're going
to run a similar offense. But he's a little more inexperienced.
He's learning on the run. Now there's a first time
you know, the first time coordinator. You have to start somewhere.
(47:58):
I get that, but it's going to be different. And
so this is where Nick Sirianni has an offensive background,
and he's to have to probably step in assist clean
up on the details because their identity is a running team.
That's what they are. Last year they were, you know,
a top five in scoring, but didn't throw the ball
very well toward the bomb in the league in passing,
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and it's the same way this year. They're thirty first
in passing, but they're seventh is scoring. So they know
how to score points. But it's gonna come in different ways.
A lot of this is gonna come off the running game.
So I had no problems with them in the first
half yesterday trying to throw the ball just to loose
them off to get the running game going. And that's
trying to you know, the Broncos had some tight boxes
in there, but eventually you have to get back to
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the run game. They have one of the best offensive
lines in the league, even though they're a little bit
tanged up, but still in the best offensive lins that
have Barkley. This is what they do, so you don't
want to change the philosophy that works for them, even
though if it's not pleasing for everybody else. And I
kind of felt like yesterday, like you just said, they're
trying to force the ball to aj Brown and throw
the ball more than they really would want to in
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the past. So this is where the head coach steps
in and gets being straightened out.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
It's the Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's
the voice of Tom te LESCo Tommy Vikings get a
win early early London time. You got to watch that game.
What was your breakdown of the difference in that game?
Speaker 8 (49:22):
Yeah, six thirty star am on the West Coast, but
so you got a full day of football out here.
But it was thought it was an interesting game just
because you know, it was our first chance to see
Dylan Gabriel and he's playing against a really good defense
with the Viking, So you knew it was going to
be tough sweating from the start. But with Dylan Gabriel,
at least he gave them some hope his mobility, his
quick seat. He's got quick guys and the quick release.
(49:45):
And I did didn't think he was panicked by a
really good defense, so that his numbers they weren't great,
and I understand they were probably weren't going to be,
but I was still pretty encouraging. Cleveland just doesn't have
enough around him yet on offense to really get where
they want to go. It's going to take another year
or two. They had a great draft last year, it
was going to take a couple more, just talent wise.
(50:06):
In Minnesota, you know, we talked about offensive lines being
really dined up. I mean, there's no one, no one
more banged up than they are. And they played like
I mean, they gave up a ton of pressure to
the Browns. They didn't run the ball that well, but
the blakings they forced two turnovers. The defense plays really
well and wins did enough to win the game. So
(50:27):
but I thought was really interesting. At least Cleveland showed
some hope on offense, but the talent le just isn't
quite here, quite there yet to win a game like that.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
Arizona loses a game in probably the most the worst
imaginable way. Like there's a lot of ways to lose,
and I know I lost twenty eight of them. Less
you're Tom so this is not this is not me right, Like,
how do we How the frick did we lose that game? Well, coach,
did this happen?
Speaker 2 (50:52):
That happen? But to.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
Have in one half you have a guy going into
the end zone for a touchdown and fumble drive the
ball before he goes in right, that costs you a touchdown,
and then you pick him off at the You pick
off a rookie quarterback at the end of the game
and not just take a knee instead lose the ball
and give up a touchdown. You were the gentlemanager of
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the Chargers, so there was a couple of years there
when you guys found new and inventive ways to lose
a football game. Have you ever seen anything like how
Arizona lost that game?
Speaker 8 (51:25):
Well, I've been a part a couple though, like you said,
so I really appreciate that, and I probably have been
around a couple of them and watching. I didn't see
that whole game that'esterday where I saw how it ended up,
But I want to pull up the TV copy. I
want to watch it all the way out. But that
was one of those situations where as a GM, I'm
sitting back here and you know, thank god I'm not
in that CEA right now, because there's just no worse feeling.
(51:46):
Usually fourth quarter, late in the game at the gym,
you come down to the field, you stand in the
tunnel and watch the end of the game and sometimes
things just snowball, and that's what happened in that game,
where one mistake just leads to three, four or five
more mistakes and that's how you lose the game. So
this is why it's critical Monday morning, when the head
coach walks in the building, when the GM walks in
the building, when the owner walks in the building, you
(52:08):
really got to have the leadership because people are just
devastated and you hate to compare losing a game to
a funeral, but unfortunately that's how it feels on a
Monday morning, and it feels even worse when you lose
a game that you really should have won. So this
is where the head coach and GM you have to
walk in head high and lead and get everybody back.
You know, usually by Wednesday, you know, Tuesday is a
(52:28):
player's day off, Let everybody grieve for a little bit,
gets the drawing board, makes the correction, and leave the
franchise on from there. But it's just no worse feeling
because there's only seventeen games, and when you lose one
that you should have won, you just you'll never forget
that game. You'll never forget that game. For their career.
I've got some of those games that you just never forget,
you know, on this kick you know, shoot, you're you're
(52:50):
a Charger, you are a Chargers fan. You remember them
all and it just hurts you to the core. But
you have to have leaders to get over that.
Speaker 1 (52:57):
Geno Smith's one eight interceptions last week games, of course,
if you take out that Washing game where he was
really good, I mean, he's been atrocious. How much of
it is him, how much of it is they just
don't have the overall talent to protect him, and he's
forcing things.
Speaker 8 (53:14):
You know, it's hard to figure out because you know,
early in Gino's career, when he was with the Jets,
he used to make some of these interceptions, some of
these key big fair plays. But his playing Seattle was
very consistent. He protected the football, he completed the ball
to the high percentage, and he had kind of overcome that.
But it's creeping up again this year and it's been
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really you know, through five games. So the good thing
is he's shown he can play at a high level,
so they need to get back to that. They're running
the ball much better. Jents is the real deal. He's
going to be an outstanding player. Obviously really hurt not
having Brock Bowers block. Bowers is their explosive threat in
the passing game. That's and not having him was a
pretty big deal. But defensively they just kind of felt
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hard against the Colts. But the Cults are good. I mean,
I know they don't have a lot of big name players,
but they're really talented really between quarterback, running back, offensive
line and receiver and tight end. But tough to stop.
I mean, they were eighty percent on third down yesterday,
which is incredibly high. Crazy so and the narrators they
get in the red zone they couldn't score, and it's
(54:16):
been like that for two weeks. The Colts scored six
touchdowns in the red zone. So you don't see that
very often in the NFL. But I think with you know,
he's shown he can do it, he may be pressing
a little bit. You know, you get traded to a
team you know you're the quote unquote savior because they
just haven't had a great quarterback for such a long time.
You get paid big money. Maybe he's taken on a
little bit too much, but he is. I was with
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him with the Chargers for a year. He's incredibly resilient.
He handled at versity extremely well. So I think he'll
pull through.
Speaker 1 (54:45):
This Chiefs tonight against the Jags. Chiefs are favored on
the road in Jacksonville.
Speaker 2 (54:51):
But you know, I don't.
Speaker 1 (54:53):
I don't know your thoughts on Trevor Lawrence on what's
been missing, but it does feel like Liam Cohen's been
good for him. What your take on Lawrence from from
a perspective of like when he was coming out he
was a can't miss guy. It's it's been hard, it's
been up and down. Hasn't been terrible at times, but
sometimes it's been okay. What's your read on where he is.
Speaker 2 (55:15):
With Leiam Cohn?
Speaker 8 (55:16):
Yeah, you know, this would be a fascinating game. I
was really not on their vandwagon going to the season,
and then all of a sudden there're three and one.
I do want to see how they respond against the Chiefs.
I mean, they've been just feasting on turnovers and that's
hard to sustain through a whole year. Trevor Lawrence has
all account in the world, and you're he's just been
up and down. I mean the highs have been really high.
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He can make some big time NFL throws. He's got
side athletic ability. There's just been those those blips here
or there, those those key interceptions that you have to
try and even out. And having a new head coach
who's also an offensive coordinator, I think would be good
for him. Maybe it looks a little bit different change
of scenery without having to move teams. But running back
Trevis etn is having resurgence. I think he's an excellent player.
(56:00):
We're going to see how that goes. But to me,
like the biggest thing tonight is watching Jacksonville's defense, which
is playing really well. They've got two big time pass
rushers with Josh Allen and Tavon Walker. John Walker's questionable
for tonight. I think he should go, and how they
play against the Chiefs tackles, which have just really struggled.
Rookie Josh Simmons is going to be a really good
(56:20):
tackle in the league. He just isn't quite ready for
prime time yet. He will be, but he's just not
there yet, and Juwan Taylor has struggled. So I'm really
curiously how Jacksonville plays. Shoot is the biggest game that
Jacksonville's had in a long time, and it's my national TV.
The Al Trevor Lawrence goes against Magnolo's defense, you know,
my national TV. It's going to be a fun game.
Speaker 1 (56:39):
To watch tonight, awesome stuff. As always, Man, well enjoy
watching football. I know it's a totally different experience for you,
but uh, I just I cannot thank you enough for
joining us on a weekly basis.
Speaker 2 (56:51):
We'll talk to you next week, so good Thanks Doug.
Speaker 1 (56:54):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
Welcome in. It's the best month of the year. I
won't hear it otherwise. Best month of the year.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
October sport Yeah, yeah, NBA teams preseason, get ready to start.
WNBA still playing and cavetching about officiating. College football, we
told you the weekends. It's like the you know, people
(00:52):
always say it's the quiet ones you have to watch
out for. Right, It's the same with college football weekends,
Dan Byer, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
It's the quiet ones you have to work look out for.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
And you're like, ah, Florida, they stink, They're not gonna
beat Texas. Yes, Ucla they fired to Sean Foster, Penn
State's way better, doesn't matter. Cincinnati jumps up and beats
Iowa State like you name it. There were upsets galore
this weekend on what was supposed to be a quiet
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college football weekend, and then you have the National Football League,
which gave us upsets. It's not just that Philly lost,
It's not just that Buffalo lost. It's that Buffalo lost
to the Pats, who weren't a playoff team, fired their
coach and haven't looked great to start the season. And
Philly lost to Denver, who playoff team last year with
(01:45):
super soft schedule and looked like a team that again
can beat the bad teams, can't beat the good teams,
and were down big. But a funny thing happened on
the way to five and zero for the Philadelphia Eagles.
They collapse and the Broncos end up getting a gigantic
road win. Here's Nick Sirianni, head coach of the defending
(02:07):
Super Bowl champion Eagles, on the loss.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
I think that the guys have worked extremely hard in preparation.
I see the same hunger that is that was there
prior to us winning the Super Bowl. So I don't
think it's it's anything like that. Again, just the name
of this game is always going to come down to,
you know, detail, and you know as far as us
as coaches and players know we weren't detailed enough today
(02:32):
and they were a little more detailed than us.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Now, Listen, that sounds very coach speaking, right, What really happened? Nick?
Who you're really going to fire? Uh?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
And we'll get to something in a second. Kind of
the obvious aj Brown, elephant in the room, Seguon Barkley
thirty yards rushing. That tells you a lot. I would
also say that I think when when a coach points
out detail, he is talking about the offense, he is
talking about the offensive coordinator. And when you're a new
(03:03):
play caller, oftentimes and I experienced this, I'm not casting,
I'm not I know, I live in a glass house
and so this is not throwing rocks here, but when
your first time play caller, oftentimes you focus on the
play or the rhythm or something you saw like you
just need experience doing it, and one of the things
that gets left out is oftentimes the detail. Oftentimes the detail.
(03:30):
You have to coach every detail of every play, and
there has to be a reason that you're trying that
play and has to give outs that the defense guess
is wrong. There's got to be a counter to it.
And all those different things. It feels like there's something missing,
and it's felt like there's something missing with the Eagles.
The reason the Eagles were undefeated to this point and
have won so many games over the last couple of
years in the regular season is they have cracked the
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hardest part of the winning code, which is just how
do you win games late? Just finding a way running
the football. I mean, would they be a defending Super
Bowl champion it wasn't for the tush push. I don't
think so, because the tush push has covered up for
many a stalled drives where they get to fourth and two,
fourth and one and then they just get the first
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go for it on the first down, whereas everybody else
in the NFL has punted. So their offense isn't really
as good as anyone could perceive it to be going
back to previous years, and then this year you lose
your offensive coordinator. Your offense isn't sharp. Jalen Hurts he
is limited as a passer. It doesn't mean that he
can't throw a football. It doesn't mean that he's bad.
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It just means that it's not what he does best.
His intangibles, his toughness, yes, his ability to scramble is
abileit to get first downs and then he can be
a very accurate underneath thrower and be a really good quarterback.
But if you put the ball in his hands and
say we're gonna drop back sixty times and win a game,
somebody does best. I also want to make sure I
(05:01):
don't diminish the Broncos like it's super important to not
diminish the Broncos. Yes, the offense, and you have a
bow Nicks who's been playing good ball and will play
for you what John Payton said about it, But what
about the defense. This is an Eagles team that is
built is built for this type of game. Get a
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leader early, run the football, put pin your ears back
and rush the passer. And for a team that's built
like that at home to have a big lead to
the loss shows you there's a lot more going on
in Philadelphia than just their offense struggling, Which brings us
to aj Brown when you're true obviously trying to force
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him the football. This is what happened to Dante Culpepper
with the Minnesota Vikings. Who remembers it. Dante Culpepper had
two problems, one fumbling two, forcing the ball to Randy Moss.
Yet forcing the ball to Randy Moss? And yeah, do
you want to keep Randy Moss happy?
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yet?
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Do you want to keep Randy Moss engage? Sure is
mot was Raindy Moss one of the elite wide receivers
in the history of the NFL. Yes, But if you
force it to him, there's just a there's a fine
line there. They'll start picking him off, They'll start playing
for it and intercepting it, and that's eventually what I
thought cost him his career. It feels like that's what
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they're doing in Philly. Aj Brown is such a gigantic
pain in the backside that they're like, fine, let's just
take some of the pressure off Jalen. Get the ball
to AJ Brown, let him make some place. We're paying
to a bunch of money. We can't get rid of him.
And he is really talented, but it's not really who
the Eagles are, And it's throwing everybody out of rhythm
trying to get this one guy some touches, and it
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throws a play colorad of rhythm. Here's Sean Payton talking
about his second year quarterback Bo Nicks.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
You know when you play something like that, You're gonna
get punched and it's not gonna be easy. But we
kept fighting. And that's that's what I was most encouraged about,
just the fight, the grit, you know. And then you
felt that this is a funny thing. That momentum shifted,
and when that happened, it's pretty powerful.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
The momentum did shift. It did shift.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
We had so much stuff to cover. I mean, the
way the Seahawks game ended, Buyer, can I just ask you,
because I know you and Carry I think you were
on the air at that time, right when you're watching,
and Sam Donald had played so well up into that moment.
There's like, what was like fifty two seconds to go
in the game, and the Seahawks have the ball with
(07:35):
a chance to drive down and kick a field goal
and win the game. And I didn't think anybody was open.
But he did get hit as he released the ball,
which clearly caused the ball and then the ball hit
a defensive lineman's helmet which caused it to ricochet.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
But it also felt like, do we.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Need to be throwing this ball over the middle right
here late when you could just there's nothing there throw
it away. What were your thoughts on the the interception
which ultimately befell your Seahawks.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Yeah, I mean it was a bad decision. Hearing Donald
explain it after the game, he said that there was
a receiver that he missed at that time and shouldn't
have thrown the football and yeah, when you do it
in your own territory when the team just needs to
Then on the turnover, they actually did have an opportunity
to get a stop. But still it's more of the
(08:23):
team could have been four and one and maybe eluding
all of the things of Sam Donald that maybe they
were worried about entering this season and one popped up
in the worst opportune time yesterday.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Oh, it's crazy. There's so much football this weekend. So
much football this weekend, and a baseball comeback, and we
got baseball tonight as well.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Well, what a weekend sports. Welcome October.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
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(09:14):
the show comes out at the top of what would
be the third hour of the show. But the Sanchez
story Mark Sanchez story continues to evolve into being a
crazy one and a weird one, and there's lots of Hey,
when a story comes down, make sure you take a
take a beat, maybe even just let it breathe before
(09:37):
you send out a tweet over what you think on
a situation you have no idea about. But is that
the weirdest one eighty on stories in recent memory? Like
I woke up Saturday morning, like, holy crap, Mark Sanchez
and you hear a guy get stabbed and he's in
(09:58):
Indian And I was just.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
In Indie last week.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
We had the Horizon League meetings last week and a
media day last week, and like really, like I know
where everybody stays for those games. That's not a tough area.
Has tough areas in every town, not right there. You
know what do you do when you come in to
call a game, a Colts game, Well, you go to practice,
then you go back and you have dinner with the
crew at Saint Elmo's and you have really really spicy
(10:23):
shrimp cocktail. Couple pops, walk back to the hotel, go
to sleep, wake up the next day. You know, you'll
you'll have production meetings, and then you watch college football
and get ready for your game. That's what you're doing.
And you wake up and he stabbed and you're like,
what what what just happened? And the people that wanted
to score political points try to do that Saturday morning,
the thoughts and prayers, posse did that, and then all
(10:46):
of a sudden, you know, the police report comes out.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
You're like, wait what.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Then video comes out yesterday, You're like, this is this
is nuts.
Speaker 6 (10:54):
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Speaker 3 (11:00):
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Speaker 2 (11:02):
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Speaker 1 (11:02):
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I hope you're having the spectacular day. It's October, or
as Jase Do likes say, Rocktober October. Hey, it's Roctober
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the Bills lost, Eagles lost, Penn State lost, a lot,
(11:51):
a lot of l's taken this weekend by by your
boys in the studio here at fed Fox Sports Radio.
Didn't hurt us, Sammy that I was State lost, right,
We don't know. Love lost for the clones as they
go in where the loose to the Bearcats.
Speaker 7 (12:05):
Although I did have Iowa State winning as my gambler pick.
So please nobody listen to my gambler pick. Ever home
Dogs getting a big get in the bark. We do
this every Monday.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
It's a great way to uh sprinkle around different thoughts
about different sports because there's a bunch from the weekend.
We do both the positive and the negative. On the
Doug Outleb Show, we call it love and hate.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
What did you love?
Speaker 2 (12:29):
God?
Speaker 6 (12:29):
I love you and what did you hate?
Speaker 8 (12:32):
Need these player haters?
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Love love love love love love Do do do Do Do? Do?
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Do?
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Mhm?
Speaker 1 (12:51):
I love UCLA's win over Penn State. Now I've heard
people say I actually heard one of our hosts say, like, oh,
can you imagine being the ad at you where nobody
shows up? Hey, look again, let's just cut the brass tacks.
UCLA started school last week. First week, full week of
school was last week. They'd already fired their coach. Right,
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you start out zero to four, you've fired your coach,
which means the whole team is not going to be
there next year. It's already an hour from campus. It's
hard enough to get people there anyway. So again, I
USCLA in the Big Ten makes sense and that they'll
fill that stadium.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Just don't fire the head coach three weeks in. But
what I loved about.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
It is.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
I'm sympathetic towards James Franklin because a lot of the
record versus ranked teams was when he was at Vanderbilt,
and when he was at Vanderbilt, it wasn't a fair fight.
Even now, Vanderbilt back to heights that they haven't seen
in my lifetime. Vanderbilt now is pretty well fund it
not to the Alabama level, not to the Georgia level,
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but they got some alums, they got some money. Nashville
is huge. When James Franklin got there, that wasn't the case.
He did a really good job at a time in
which it was very difficult for Vanderbilt to.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Compete in the SEC.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
So I've always been sympathetic, but there's a certain amount
of aloofness to him, which is has has become part
of his persona. There's also like Big ten schools, the
good ones, the Penn States, the Michigan's, the Ohio States,
they have an aloofness to them as well. And I'm
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sure they thought, ah, we'll get in the plane, UCLA rollover,
nobody's gonna be there, we'll get out with a win.
Funny thing happened on the way back into the top ten.
They got popped by the Bruins.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
I love it. It's what sports is about.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
And we saw some of this last year where when
you're the last place team, teams don't always come in prepared.
They may be prepared by their coaching staff, but emotionally prepared.
I think when you factor in James Franklin's newfound confidence,
boardline arrogance to Penn State coming off of a devastating
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loss to Oregon, and just those UCLA kids finding a
way to win a game, I thought it was amazing.
Speaker 9 (15:25):
Help me out here, guys, because you guys follow college
football more than I do, so this was off my radar.
Could you just tell me how a team and a
major conference can somehow get twenty six points at home
to start a game. How does that even? They were
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down as many as twenty right, Penn State, Yes, and
they were giving twenty six at some point in that game.
There was a discrepancy if you added the spread of
fifty points. Yes, Like, how do lines makers make that
big a mistake?
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Well?
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Lines makers are interesting. They only get credit. They never
get blame. Right when a game ends up close and
like one point past the spread either way, we all
do the same thing.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Vegas, how do they know, the sharps, that's Vegas? How
do they know? You know? The truth is, Jase do
They don't?
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Now they get closer on a higher percentage, but they
don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
But that'll only.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
I think reiterates my point, which is everyone thought this
game is going to be non competitive.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Except Ucla.
Speaker 7 (16:40):
Well, yeah, I think that the book makers, the sharps
there in Vegas, thought Penn State would get off, would
go far west and let them have it we're mad, yeah,
and play mad and beat Ucla you know by twenty six.
But the opposite happened. They went west. The time change,
maybe the time zones. They weren't locked in the Oregon
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Ducks were still living rent free in their head. And
if I may seamlessly transition to my love, it was
watching assistant Jerry Neuheisel being carried off, carried off on
guy's shoulders, off of the field. They're at the Rose Bowl.
Jerry Neuhaisel, of course, son of former UCLA coach Rick
new Heisel, who never really got it going there in Westwood.
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He's been on the staff since twenty eighteen in various roles,
and just to see him, he probably, you know, helped
cook up the scheme, the game plan to beat beat
the Penn State Nitni Lions. And you got a quarterback
in Nico Amaliava. I don't even know if I said
that right, but very talented guy. I'm sure he didn't
think that oh to four was going to be in
his future with the Bruins or a coach. Let go,
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so for them to get that win and Jerry Newhisel
carried off the field, that was my love of the weekend.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Dan Byer, Nico just wanted zeros and fours and commas
in his paycheck. You didn't carry necessarily on the the record.
I'm gonna have a little bit about this in my hate.
Actually it's going to be a lot about this, but
I will stay in college football and I will just
say I love how no one is paying attention to
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Ohio State right now. The number one team of the country,
and they won last week at Washington, which was a
solid win. But heard a few people chirping on how
they're not opening it up with Julian Saying as their quarterback,
and why not just let a guy drop back fifty
times in his first ever start on the road. Why
not just do that. No, they're they're bringing him along.
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And I really think like it cannot be understated on
how good Jeremiah Smith is and Carnel Tate went completely
off this past weekend because Minnesota was so obsessed with
trying to stop Jeremiah Smith, by the way, still got
his eighty yards and a touchdown. It is he may
not win the Heisman, but there is no doubt when
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you talk about the best player in college football, it
is him. He affects the game so much. But nobody
is talking about Ohio State at all. Maybe they will.
They're at Illinois coming up this weekend. They got Wisconsin,
then they have Penn State coming to town, so maybe
at that point they'll start talking about him again. But
everything is the current underneath, talking a lot about Miami,
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talking about Penn State and the others. But Buck Guy's
dominated Minnesota on Saturday and they're still number one.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Jason sing you, Doug.
Speaker 9 (19:32):
I'll take it from here. I'm gonna make it four
for four.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Where's the drop? I'll take it from here, thank you.
Speaker 9 (19:39):
None of our loves are going to be about anything
NFL rewayed, because my love is Japanese people. I love
Japanese people. Anything you ever read about Japanese people, and
I'm sorry if I'm giving into stereotypes or tropes is
that they are from clean and filled with a sense
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of duty. Each of those things are extreme positive human conditions,
and if it's a stereotype, then I apologize. I especially
love Japanese people when they are bookend pitchers on a
team that I root for. To win a playoff game,
I was convinced they would lose. Sho Halo Tani struck
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out nine Phillies and six innings to get the win
on Saturday. More importantly, he kept the Phillies one of
the best hitting teams in baseball. They're top four hitters
to for one for thirteen, one hit thirteen at bats,
sho Hao Tani gets a win, Roki Sasaki comes in
and gets the save. I love Japanese people. Let's go Dodgers,
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want to come back for those. Let's get to it.
Speaker 7 (20:57):
Those are all true, even through stereotypes. They're positive ones.
They're true.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Let's get to the other side of the pillow, the
hate side of the pillow. Dan, you felt like you
got something boiling up in there, let it out.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
Well, I just the Penn State Texas conversation. I'm not
trying to give a break to arch Manning and trying
to give one to Sark, but I just think that
they are two completely different conversations. And losing at Florida,
no matter what you think Florida is, is not even
close to losing to an zero to four UCLA team
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that has gone through what they have gone through correct.
And I don't think that Texas was in the position
that Penn State was, where everybody was coming back this
year to right the wrongs of what happened last year
and to have those these two outcomes, to have them
fall like that, we're grouping Texas in with Penn State,
where I think the Penn State situation is completely separate.
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I just I have no idea how you get down
twenty points to Jason's point in that game, like they
had to rally to even be competitive in the contest.
There was a point late in the UCLA game where
I just thought the forces were on Penn State side
where the UCLA kid catches the ball out of the backfield.
Do you remember this third down play? No one's in
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front of him, somehow he loses his footing and falls
down at like the twenty nine and a half or
thirty four and a half yard line and is short
of a first down. And then the UCLA goes for
it out of the shotgun, doesn't get it and turns
the ball over, and you're like, Okay, it's Penn State's day.
But then again it wasn't, and those losses. Jims Franklin
was only at Vanderbilt for three years, so the record
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against the top ten teams it is foreign twenty one
when he's been at Penn State. And now you have
this team that comes in again where we're gonna let's
win a national championship. Drew Aller the first overall pick.
They know anything like it, and I know last week
may have taken something out of him. There's no excuse
to lose to Ucla the way that they did. So
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it's I hate that Texas and Penn State are put
in this group because they were both top ten teams
and lost on the road. But the Penn State situation
is so much further down the road for me on
what is you know, just what has been a disappointing
couple of weeks where Penn State. Not that I'm giving
Texas and out, I just think Penn State's is much
much worse.
Speaker 7 (23:21):
Add one thing on there too, probably not an empty
seat at the Swamp, many empty seats at the Rose Bowl.
So you're going to a place where Texas loses and
it's a very very hard place to play.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
UCLA does a blue out with that's they're going to
try to make the Rose Bowl blue to intimidate Penn
State coming out. And a lot of that blue was tarp, yes,
and the other was probably Navy for the for the
ninty Lions as well.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
But hey, thanks, maybe it worked. Thank you for saying it.
Your heart later that all right? Jay Steele you're kind
of a resident hater. Why don't you go ahead.
Speaker 9 (23:58):
I hate when Survivor picks and fantasy teams lose because
of a decision by one player. His name is Amai
dame Mercado de mercado in uh in Spanish, Oh.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Man, I had a de marcado from Starbucks. It's really good. Yeah.
Speaker 9 (24:18):
I think in Spanish, I means of the market. I
think amare should be in the market, as in on
the waiver market and free agent market of the waiver market.
Uh So, for those that didn't see this, guy took
a uh took a run what sixty plus yards and
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dropped the ball before the end zone, costing the Cardinals
the game, costing a lot of people their Survivor picks,
as the Cardinals were a popular choice yesterday, and it
cost me my Fantasy week. So Amari de Marcado. John
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Jonathan Gannon, the head coach of the Cardinals, was asked
after the game about that play.
Speaker 8 (25:05):
As a coach, what do you say to him? It's
never about one play.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
We have coaching points that I'm not going to tell
you guys now.
Speaker 9 (25:14):
Now that contradicts the video that all of us have seen.
Right Gannon walked up to him and gave him an earful,
which he should have. While he was getting an earful,
he was getting consoled by a teammate. If and Calherd
made this point this morning. If I'm a teammate, I'm
not consoling the guy. I'm a teammate. I'm saying you're
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letting us down. We practice hard, we go to work
every day and your showboting, your need to show off
in that moment just cost us a game. Why would
I console you. I hate Amari day Mercado, I hate
losing Survivor picks, and I hate losing my with my
fantasy football team.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
Jason did lose by less than six points with a
Mario de Mercado on his roster.
Speaker 9 (26:08):
You know what, there's I'm sorry doan real fast so
on the on the podcast that comes up at the
top of the hour, I asked, I ask uh, Doug
and Sam this, I'm gonna ask you. Remember last December
when we went around the room and I said, do
you think these guys are dropping the ball on purpose
to show off or are they doing it accidentally? And
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we were split down the middle. Sam and Doug thinks
that it's an accident thing or something. They're too excited
about carelessness you and I think it's on purpose. Have
you changed your take on that?
Speaker 5 (26:40):
No, not at all, absolutely not. It's and you need
to start developing end zone celebrations with the football involved,
because that means you'll hold on to it into the
end zone. So that's like a baby yeah, like, yeah,
do something like that. I go make a make a
baseball thing. You were We talked about this earlier. You
were you were do it. You were actually working when
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we were just talking, and.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
I said, I think part of it is coaching, though,
is you can talk about it, but you actually have
to do it, and you have to make it every
time we go into the end zone. Guys, you two
hands on the football until you are all the way
and then hand the ball. We're gonna be the team
that hands the ball to the official. Or you can
even do the Australian rules thing, or you can plant
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the ball down on the field, but only in the
back of the end zone, the white of the end zone.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
That way you've cleared, like make it like the finish line.
You go through, run through the finish line.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
But I think it's something you gotta practice like, we
actually practice, and I took this from coach Sutton, we
practice how to save the basketball.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Why does that matter?
Speaker 1 (27:45):
How many times you watch a basketball game, ball goes
going out of bounds underneath somebody's own basket and they
throw it underneath their own basket and you're like, don't
throw it underneath throw a basket. Yeah, but did you
actually practice that? And you're like, well, he's twenty years old,
he should know. But as he ever actually practiced it,
we practice it. So to me, again, I can't be
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critical of coaches when players make these sorts of dumb
ass plays. They're gonna make dumb ass plays. But in
this one, how many times have we seen it already?
Speaker 2 (28:14):
This year? Three or four beeen, College of Pro.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
Well, we've seen it in back to back weeks in
the National Football League, Okay.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
And I've seen it in college at least once or twice.
So we seen it again. Practice it. Everybody's watching practice it. Hey, guys,
we're gonna practice every day we go through the end zone.
We're gonna run over and hand the ball to Because
I think I still think the Florida State catch. I
even think I may have changed, and what was the
guy for the Colts last week, ad Ni Mitchell. Ad
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Ni Mitchell, I do think ad Ni Mitchell, he was
trying to show the ball like I don't think he
was trying to show, but I think he was trying
to show the ball and it slipped out of his hands.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
And I thought that.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
At Florida State, the wide receiver who babbled it, babbled it,
babbled it all ten year yards, finally caught it but
was out of bounds. I thought it was the ball
move because he was trying to secure it. They're taught
to when you get it secured in your strong hand, right.
I thought he's trying to secure it. That's where the
ball movement took place. So I think that actually was coached.
I think these had to be coached.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
I will say something to Jason's point about the video
clip that maybe not everybody has scene of Jonathan Gannon
ripping into De Marcado and the player consoling him, and
I just used Romandre Stevenson as the example. We see
the Patriots last night beat the Bills and some people
were surprised. My teammate on Sunday, Carry Rhods picked it.
A week a ghostas New England's going to go to
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Buffalo and win. Nice They turned the ball over five
times in that loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers. New England
did and Romandre Stevenson had a fumble at the goal line.
In fact, in this game against Buffalo, Romandre Stevenson fumbled
in the first quarter. But Romondre Stevenson wasn't showboating into
the end zone when he fumbled. So if you want
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to go to Romondre Stevenson and say, dude, we're gonna
need you in this game. You're our physical runner, Ye,
get your head in the game, I'm totally cool with that.
And I think that's what the Patriots did because Romandre
Stevenson scores two touchdowns later in the game for New England. Here,
if you're Jonathan Gannon, you said you aren't gonna play anymore.
I don't think anybody would have a problem with that. Like,
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there's physical mistakes, there's mental mistakes, and then there's the
mistakes of show voting. And I think players shouldn't have
gone up to De Marcado like he bleeped up big time.
If you want to do it to Romondre Stevenson, go
right ahead, but that in Arizona last you know, yesterday
cost them a game and may just may cost people
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their jobs because of no question.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
I'm with you, Sammy, send me hated.
Speaker 7 (30:40):
I could go with the boring hate that I was
sort of thinking about of refs letting the play clock
go down to zero and then minus one before calling
a delay of game. And I just see this way
too often, where like they're giving quarterbacks and offenses an
extra beat. But I'm not going to talk about that.
I somehow found a way to wedge it in there.
I'm going to talk about shrink flation. I went to
(31:02):
the grocery store yesterday and I thought, you know what,
I'd really love to have a stuffed crust pizza. But
I'm not gonna do delivery. I'm gonna do blank. Okay,
So I bought the pizza. It was on sale, but
you know, it still will go back to its normal
price at some point. I opened this baby up and
it's a straight medium.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
It is.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
It is not a large.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
Have you ever tried on a shoe, especially in your kid,
and the shoe is just so much bigger than your
foot and then you go feel your toe and you're
like Oh, look at all that space, and the pizza
was like the toe in there, and then the box
was the shoe. And I'm like, open this thing up,
and I'm like, I paid twelve bucks for this medium,
and I'm like, man, we are still not out of
the woods here with inflation and shrinkflation. And sometimes I'd
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rather just pay more but get the same size pizza,
because that was a bummer. Man, that irritated me. You know,
it's not delivery, it's something else. Yeah, well maybe I
should have gotten pizza. Hudder, Domino's stuff crust on your
first part. I was gonna say this last week when
the Packers Cowboys game. It's why we need tens of
a second on game clocks. Maybe you need them on
the play clock, I'm not sure, but there's there's an
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absolute need for the National Football League. Are you noticing
this too? Did these guys get an extra beat on? Well,
that's the rule, that's what they're allowed to Yes, you
are allowed to get an extra beat, but then when
do you actually call the penalty correct?
Speaker 1 (32:22):
So appreciate Yeah, a lot of times they don't make
calls now because they're worried about the replay. Overturning them
lots of things they're done with NFL officiating.
Speaker 5 (32:30):
I'm seeing zeros though, and I'm like, yes, you can
snap it at zero, they give you that pause.
Speaker 7 (32:36):
But I'm even seeing like I think it was during
the Chargers Commanders game, it just felt like there was
a it should have been a blatant and even talked
about a blatant violation there, and I just don't get
it. It feels a little abstract, but I'd rather I'm a
little bit more steamed over shrinkflation, Okay.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
I I I hate where people went to score political
points on the Mark Sanchez thing. Whether the story came
out as it has been, which is the exact opposite
of what people thought initially, however it came out like
these are news stories. Why do we have to score
political points the moment that something happens, if somebody can
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help me, like and and some of these people are
my friends that I like. But it's when you live
in this world where ooh, I can score, I can
say I was Basically it's like I was right, my
point was right, my side is right, and one you
don't have all the facts.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Two, even when you do have all the facts.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
There's a lot of stuff, there's a lot of nuance
to it, and I just I don't know how we've
gotten to this place where human interest stories, stories of
crimes that are individual based are used to make a
bigger point immediately. And it also causes something that I
(34:00):
learned from Jays two, which is what about ism? Right,
just we can take one story from either side and
use it to make a bigger story. I just not
every story requires you to one hop on board before
the story comes out, too, which we're learning with the
Mark Sanchez story. And two, you don't need to use
every story, or even most stories to make some political stance.
(34:22):
Let the politicians make it. They'll make asses of themselves.
That's their job for you. Wait till the whole story
comes out, and if you want to reference it in
the future, you can always go back to referencing.
Speaker 7 (34:33):
It and using an anecdote to try to prove a
larger point that something generally is happening. It's just not
the good way to go. And it turns out that
that anecdote was If the anecdote was the Mark Sanchez case, ye,
all the details were wrong. This was between two people
and it was seemingly Mark Sanchez.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
And some parking Weston too. Yeah, it's probably like what
did I just walk into?
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah? And that's loving.
Speaker 6 (34:58):
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Speaker 1 (35:09):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio. How long
ago was the pandemic?
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Five years ago?
Speaker 5 (35:16):
Right?
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Five years ago? It was twenty twenty one.
Speaker 7 (35:20):
I was a pandemic well started in March of twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
March twenty twenty.
Speaker 7 (35:25):
Yeah, five and a half years after the fact.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Okay, fair enough, five and a half years.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Can anybody remember a better Patriot win post pandemic than
the win last night in Buffalo?
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Think about this.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
This is previous to the pandemic for twenty years. Honestly,
most of its starting on the first weekend after September eleventh.
That's when Tom Brady first came It became the starting quarterback,
right mo Lewis ends up knocking out Drew Bledsoe. That
was like a week and a half after nine to eleven,
first game back. So subsequently from a terrorist attack tragedy
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into international, international, global pandemic. In between those two, those
bookend the Patriots, the most consistently successful team in the
National Football League post pandemic. It's been a mess, right,
Cam Newton. I thought the year that they had Cam
(36:33):
Newton was unbelievable coaching, but they weren't any good. They
won seven games with a bad football team because remember
after the pandemic, you had the opt outs, and they
had eight guys opt out, all of whom were starters.
They were in cap heal. They had guys opt out.
They had Cam Newton couldn't throw football, right, He won
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three games not throwing for one hundred yards. The next
year it got not better. You draft a rookie quarterback,
he's not good. It's the end of the Belichick era.
Then last year you hire a brand new coach. It
lasts for exactly seventeen games, and you wipe that clean.
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I'm sure there's other good wins there, because we're not
all hardcore Patriot. Well, they got this one, and this
was goy fine, But in Week five to go into
the undefeated Buffalo Bills stadium, right when the Bills, I mean,
are they perfectly healthy? I know, but I mean it's
Josh Allen healthy. Yeah, Like they're at home last time,
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they're playing New England in that stadium, and it's always
been a house of horse for Buffalo against the Bill
Belichick Patriots, not as much recently.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
To go in and win that game, I can't.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Part of it is I think most of us are
in the bag for their coach and be like that
seems like a guy I'd like to play for. It
hadn't hit until yesterday. Those are the type of wins
that turn around a franchise.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
It doesn't.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
It can be a one off. You can go home
feeling too good about yourself then lose a couple of games,
but you have to have those moments, moments for confidence,
not just for the players, but for the players to
believe in the staff. Some wins matter more. You're like, well,
(38:35):
that's not the way it works, Doug. You know there's
seventeen games and every win andever loss that's not You
go into Buffalo and look, Stefan Diggs had been okay,
hadn't been very good this year, right, But you get
Stefan Diggs to where he wins that game and he's
made it's some sort of triumphant hero like gladiatorial return
to his former home and look, Stefan Diggs was a.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
There's a word starts with the D and it's the K.
It's four letters.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Oftentimes he would he just he pushed him hisself out
of there. Let's not act like the Bills were at fault.
But if you're New England, it gets Stefan Diggs fully
bought in because you can draw on that as a coach.
Hey man, we go up there and beat Buffalo like
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you said you want to do. Yeah, all right, come on,
dig in, buy into what we're doing. More big wins
that come and he's like, yeah, I'm in.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
I'm in.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
And when you have guys that can go either way,
he's a fifty to fifty guy.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
He can help you, he can hurt you. He will
you win that game.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
I think it turns around Stefan Diggs. Maybe not long term,
but for the next four or five games, he's all
in on whatever you want to tell him to do.
You don't throw him the ball, you want him to
block the whole game, he'll do it. Biggest win since
the pandemic. Here's Mark Mike Brabel on what he thinks
after of his team after five weeks, we'll want.
Speaker 10 (39:59):
To start faster, but we finished really well and you
don't settle down. And so again, I'm just really proud
of the whole team for being able to come into
this road environment. You know, we talk about a lot
of other people that had cracks of beating them here.
You know, for fourteen games, they had their opportunity, and
we and those players took advantage of that opportunity and
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beat a really good football team. We're confident coming in here,
so I guess it don't probably help, but we'll have
to start over and uh continue to improve. We talked
about how we have to improve along the way, and
this was the next step that we needed to take.
So we'll pick up the pieces and get back to
work as soon as we get on the plane.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
And see if you can bounce back. You can use
that to buttress you and to you know, kind of
springboard gena more wins. It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here
on Fox Sports Radio, and it's that time to catch
up with our good friend Tom Tellusco, former gentle manager
of the Chargers for eleven years, Raiders last year, and
he's our gentlem manager here on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
(41:04):
Let's start with with last night Buffalo, your hometown by
the way, undefeated coming in and you got the Patriots,
and the Patriots have been just up and down this
year with Rabel in his first year.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
What happened?
Speaker 8 (41:19):
Yeah, you know, going into the year, I was not
probably on the Patriot bandwagon at first. I just thought
they were still a year or two away talent wise.
But I've just been so impressed with the job like
Rabel's doing, just with the culture of the team number one,
And then you combine that the fact with GM is
Elliott Wolf. Elliott knows players really well. So you take
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a GM that knows talent, Mike Rabel knows how to
build a team, and they're much farther along than I
thought they would be. They went out in the off season.
They basically bought a new defense in the off season.
And it's one thing to have a lot of cap
space and be able to spend that money, just like
it's one thing to have a lot of n al
money to spend on portal players, but you have to
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spend on the right players, and the Patriots signed the
right guys and their defense is playing really well, and
now it's not great for long term development, but for
short term it's it's really it's really helping them out.
And then Drake May was outstanding last night. So they're
farther along than I thought. Now Buffalo, it's hard, like
they've been so good for so long and really at
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this point do anything that matters right now it's how
they play in a playoffs, So it's hard to have
a stinger for all seventeen weeks. I'm not overly concerned
about them. The offense is still going to be fine.
In the end. The game really came down to turnovers
because England offense. I mean, I know Drake May played
pretty well, but they didn't. New England didn't run the
ball that well. They didn't play very long third down
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I think they were less than thirty percent. They give
up four sacks, but the turnovers made the difference. But
New England just the way they played, the toughness, the
situational football was impressive.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of Tom Telasco. Ravens are one in four now
beginning of their season. Obviously, the Browns win, but outside
of that, they played three really good teams in the Bills,
the Lions, and the Chiefs. Now they lose to the Texans,
they get blown out, they don't have Lamar Jackson rams
up next. This this reminds me on so many levels
of what college football coaches are going through, right where
(43:16):
here's a guy in John Harbaugh who's won since he's
been there, right like, literally haven't had a bad year,
and now all of a sudden you catch a couple
of l's where you kind of they didn't overschedule the
NFL kind of overschedule them early. Then your quarterback gets
hurt and now you're in a world of pain and
maybe come out of the bye week he can get
(43:36):
Lamar back. But until then, you know, if you're staring
down one in five in the face, that's hard, that's
hard to climb climb out of. And now you get
the well, maybe they've topped out under John Harbaugh. What's
that like from a GM's perspective, where you have a
guy who's won for a decade and all of a
sudden you catch a bad mix of schedule, injury, injuries,
and probably not nearly as good defensively as they've been.
Speaker 8 (43:59):
That's John Harbaugh has a body of work that you
can put up against anybody, so he'll be able to
figure out where how they can weather the storm, which
they're going to have to do. I mean, they're the
amount of players they have out due to injury is
just staggering and it's hard to recover from. And it's
not just starters. These are impact players. So he's gonna
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have to put a plan together just to weather the storm.
And that's what they're going to have to do. And
the only issue is on defense. When they were healthy,
they were giving up a lot of points. I mean,
they were giving up almost thirty points a game when
they had most of their starters out there. Now, like
you said, they played some good teams, but it's supposed
to be a really good defense, So that has to change.
That has to get fixed. But they've always had you know,
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the Ravens haven't always just skated through the regular season
in prior years. They've had their roughs, they've had their downs.
But offensively right now they're gonna have to come up
with a plan. It's interesting they signed Cooper Rush as
their back quarterback, and I say that's interesting just because
he's a completely different style than Lamar. So you can
look at it as the opponents now they have to
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prepare a little bit differently depending on who the quarterback
going to be. But also on Baltimore side, you have
to have two different offenses because they're both completely different
skill sets. So what I'd like to see from Baltimore
is just spread the ball out amongst their playmakers more.
It's just kind of the way Buffalo plays. Buffalo doesn't
have a true number one on offense, but they spread
the ball amongst their tight ends and receivers. It just
seems like the Ravens they move into this, it's all
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Derrick Henry as all the flowers, and Bateman doesn't get
a lot of targets their tight end and he's getting
some more. Andrews he's getting some more, but he hasn't
gotten that many. Hopkins only had two targets the other day.
So if we could spread the ball out a little
bit more to make teams defend us, it's going to
help them. But they just have to weather the storm
right now. They're still not out of it.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
You mentioned that you pay attention to that Cowboys game. Obviously,
Dak put up gigantic numbers. And if there's been one
takeaway from the Cowboys decision, it's that he does some
things that leave us scratching our heads. But keeping Brian
Schottenheimer and Dak Prescott together, he's benefited greatly from it.
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When you watch that game, though, what'd you see?
Speaker 8 (46:12):
Well, I think you're absolutely right. And when you pay
Dak Prescott what they pay them, you expect the quarterback
to raise the level of everybody around you, and that's
what Dak has done. And I've been at Dak fan.
I think he's an elite player when he's healthy. He
hasn't been real healthy. He's healthy the last couple of years.
But to see what he's doing right now, they're offensive.
There's a number of teams right now, Minnesota, the Chargers
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and some others that have offensive lines that are really
banged up. Dallas's offensive line is really banged up. But
they're still moving the ball on scoring points. So that's
that's the credit to Dallas and the depth that they have.
But also how Dak is playing now A got t
d lamb out who's their best receiver, but they're spreading
the ball around to Ferguson to to the receivers, so
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they're still moving the ball that way. Javonte Williams, they're
running back. They sign in Pregency was a great signing
their personnel staff. He was an excellent player at North Carolina.
I had a knee injury with the Broncos, Hatt and
Quitton gotten back to Woie was was pre injury. He
may be back now. So it's really nice to see
them with that offense, even though they have some injuries
that the quarterbacks still lead them and he's playing out
(47:16):
standing football right now.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Was Philly,
Were they just fell asleep at the wheel? Or is
this the sign of things that have been brewing underneath
the surface. They clearly tried to force the ball to
aj Brown to their own detriment.
Speaker 8 (47:36):
Yeah, I totally agree, And look Lizzy Kellen Moore, who's
now the head coach of the Saints. That's a big deal,
and he's one of the best play callers in the NFL.
He's an experienced play caller. So now you move in
Kevin Petulo, who's been on the staff, so they're going
to run a similar offense. But he's a little more inexperienced.
He's learning on the run. Now there's a first time
you know, the first time coordinator. You have to start somewhere.
(47:58):
I get that, but it's going to be different. And
so this is where Nick Sirianni has an offensive background,
and he's to have to probably step in assist clean
up on the details because their identity is a running team.
That's what they are. Last year they were, you know,
a top five in scoring, but didn't throw the ball
very well toward the bomb in the league in passing,
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and it's the same way this year. They're thirty first
in passing, but they're seventh is scoring. So they know
how to score points. But it's gonna come in different ways.
A lot of this is gonna come off the running game.
So I had no problems with them in the first
half yesterday trying to throw the ball just to loose
them off to get the running game going. And that's
trying to you know, the Broncos had some tight boxes
in there, but eventually you have to get back to
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the run game. They have one of the best offensive
lines in the league, even though they're a little bit
tanged up, but still in the best offensive lins that
have Barkley. This is what they do, so you don't
want to change the philosophy that works for them, even
though if it's not pleasing for everybody else. And I
kind of felt like yesterday, like you just said, they're
trying to force the ball to aj Brown and throw
the ball more than they really would want to in
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the past. So this is where the head coach steps
in and gets being straightened out.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
It's the Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's
the voice of Tom te LESCo Tommy Vikings get a
win early early London time. You got to watch that game.
What was your breakdown of the difference in that game?
Speaker 8 (49:22):
Yeah, six thirty star am on the West Coast, but
so you got a full day of football out here.
But it was thought it was an interesting game just
because you know, it was our first chance to see
Dylan Gabriel and he's playing against a really good defense
with the Viking, So you knew it was going to
be tough sweating from the start. But with Dylan Gabriel,
at least he gave them some hope his mobility, his
quick seat. He's got quick guys and the quick release.
(49:45):
And I did didn't think he was panicked by a
really good defense, so that his numbers they weren't great,
and I understand they were probably weren't going to be,
but I was still pretty encouraging. Cleveland just doesn't have
enough around him yet on offense to really get where
they want to go. It's going to take another year
or two. They had a great draft last year, it
was going to take a couple more, just talent wise.
(50:06):
In Minnesota, you know, we talked about offensive lines being
really dined up. I mean, there's no one, no one
more banged up than they are. And they played like
I mean, they gave up a ton of pressure to
the Browns. They didn't run the ball that well, but
the blakings they forced two turnovers. The defense plays really
well and wins did enough to win the game. So
(50:27):
but I thought was really interesting. At least Cleveland showed
some hope on offense, but the talent le just isn't
quite here, quite there yet to win a game like that.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
Arizona loses a game in probably the most the worst
imaginable way. Like there's a lot of ways to lose,
and I know I lost twenty eight of them. Less
you're Tom so this is not this is not me right, Like,
how do we How the frick did we lose that game? Well, coach,
did this happen?
Speaker 2 (50:52):
That happen? But to.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
Have in one half you have a guy going into
the end zone for a touchdown and fumble drive the
ball before he goes in right, that costs you a touchdown,
and then you pick him off at the You pick
off a rookie quarterback at the end of the game
and not just take a knee instead lose the ball
and give up a touchdown. You were the gentlemanager of
(51:16):
the Chargers, so there was a couple of years there
when you guys found new and inventive ways to lose
a football game. Have you ever seen anything like how
Arizona lost that game?
Speaker 8 (51:25):
Well, I've been a part a couple though, like you said,
so I really appreciate that, and I probably have been
around a couple of them and watching. I didn't see
that whole game that'esterday where I saw how it ended up,
But I want to pull up the TV copy. I
want to watch it all the way out. But that
was one of those situations where as a GM, I'm
sitting back here and you know, thank god I'm not
in that CEA right now, because there's just no worse feeling.
(51:46):
Usually fourth quarter, late in the game at the gym,
you come down to the field, you stand in the
tunnel and watch the end of the game and sometimes
things just snowball, and that's what happened in that game,
where one mistake just leads to three, four or five
more mistakes and that's how you lose the game. So
this is why it's critical Monday morning, when the head
coach walks in the building, when the GM walks in
the building, when the owner walks in the building, you
(52:08):
really got to have the leadership because people are just
devastated and you hate to compare losing a game to
a funeral, but unfortunately that's how it feels on a
Monday morning, and it feels even worse when you lose
a game that you really should have won. So this
is where the head coach and GM you have to
walk in head high and lead and get everybody back.
You know, usually by Wednesday, you know, Tuesday is a
(52:28):
player's day off, Let everybody grieve for a little bit,
gets the drawing board, makes the correction, and leave the
franchise on from there. But it's just no worse feeling
because there's only seventeen games, and when you lose one
that you should have won, you just you'll never forget
that game. You'll never forget that game. For their career.
I've got some of those games that you just never forget,
you know, on this kick you know, shoot, you're you're
(52:50):
a Charger, you are a Chargers fan. You remember them
all and it just hurts you to the core. But
you have to have leaders to get over that.
Speaker 1 (52:57):
Geno Smith's one eight interceptions last week games, of course,
if you take out that Washing game where he was
really good, I mean, he's been atrocious. How much of
it is him, how much of it is they just
don't have the overall talent to protect him, and he's
forcing things.
Speaker 8 (53:14):
You know, it's hard to figure out because you know,
early in Gino's career, when he was with the Jets,
he used to make some of these interceptions, some of
these key big fair plays. But his playing Seattle was
very consistent. He protected the football, he completed the ball
to the high percentage, and he had kind of overcome that.
But it's creeping up again this year and it's been
(53:34):
really you know, through five games. So the good thing
is he's shown he can play at a high level,
so they need to get back to that. They're running
the ball much better. Jents is the real deal. He's
going to be an outstanding player. Obviously really hurt not
having Brock Bowers block. Bowers is their explosive threat in
the passing game. That's and not having him was a
pretty big deal. But defensively they just kind of felt
(53:56):
hard against the Colts. But the Cults are good. I mean,
I know they don't have a lot of big name players,
but they're really talented really between quarterback, running back, offensive
line and receiver and tight end. But tough to stop.
I mean, they were eighty percent on third down yesterday,
which is incredibly high. Crazy so and the narrators they
get in the red zone they couldn't score, and it's
(54:16):
been like that for two weeks. The Colts scored six
touchdowns in the red zone. So you don't see that
very often in the NFL. But I think with you know,
he's shown he can do it, he may be pressing
a little bit. You know, you get traded to a
team you know you're the quote unquote savior because they
just haven't had a great quarterback for such a long time.
You get paid big money. Maybe he's taken on a
little bit too much, but he is. I was with
(54:39):
him with the Chargers for a year. He's incredibly resilient.
He handled at versity extremely well. So I think he'll
pull through.
Speaker 1 (54:45):
This Chiefs tonight against the Jags. Chiefs are favored on
the road in Jacksonville.
Speaker 2 (54:51):
But you know, I don't.
Speaker 1 (54:53):
I don't know your thoughts on Trevor Lawrence on what's
been missing, but it does feel like Liam Cohen's been
good for him. What your take on Lawrence from from
a perspective of like when he was coming out he
was a can't miss guy. It's it's been hard, it's
been up and down. Hasn't been terrible at times, but
sometimes it's been okay. What's your read on where he is.
Speaker 2 (55:15):
With Leiam Cohn?
Speaker 8 (55:16):
Yeah, you know, this would be a fascinating game. I
was really not on their vandwagon going to the season,
and then all of a sudden there're three and one.
I do want to see how they respond against the Chiefs.
I mean, they've been just feasting on turnovers and that's
hard to sustain through a whole year. Trevor Lawrence has
all account in the world, and you're he's just been
up and down. I mean the highs have been really high.
(55:36):
He can make some big time NFL throws. He's got
side athletic ability. There's just been those those blips here
or there, those those key interceptions that you have to
try and even out. And having a new head coach
who's also an offensive coordinator, I think would be good
for him. Maybe it looks a little bit different change
of scenery without having to move teams. But running back
Trevis etn is having resurgence. I think he's an excellent player.
(56:00):
We're going to see how that goes. But to me,
like the biggest thing tonight is watching Jacksonville's defense, which
is playing really well. They've got two big time pass
rushers with Josh Allen and Tavon Walker. John Walker's questionable
for tonight. I think he should go, and how they
play against the Chiefs tackles, which have just really struggled.
Rookie Josh Simmons is going to be a really good
(56:20):
tackle in the league. He just isn't quite ready for
prime time yet. He will be, but he's just not
there yet, and Juwan Taylor has struggled. So I'm really
curiously how Jacksonville plays. Shoot is the biggest game that
Jacksonville's had in a long time, and it's my national TV.
The Al Trevor Lawrence goes against Magnolo's defense, you know,
my national TV. It's going to be a fun game.
Speaker 1 (56:39):
To watch tonight, awesome stuff. As always, Man, well enjoy
watching football. I know it's a totally different experience for you,
but uh, I just I cannot thank you enough for
joining us on a weekly basis.
Speaker 2 (56:51):
We'll talk to you next week, so good Thanks Doug.
Speaker 1 (56:54):
That's our guy, Tom Telesco, former general manager of the
Chargers and last year the Raiders.
Host
Doug Gottlieb
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