October 6, 2025 • 36 mins
Doug weighs in on the Philadelphia Eagles as they lost to Denver on Sunday, losing a considerable half-time lead. Doug makes a case for the Patriots winning their biggest game since before the pandemic. Doug welcomes former Chargers and Raiders GM Tom Telesco onto the show to talk about the exciting weekend of NFL action. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "Big Deal, Little Deal or No Deal?".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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month of the year. I won't hear it otherwise. Best
month of the year.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
October sport Yeah yeah, NBA teams preseason, get ready to start,
WNBA still playing and cavetching about officiating.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
College football, we told you the weekends. It's like the
you know, people always say it's the quiet ones you
have to watch out for. Right, It's the same with
college football weekends, Dan Byer, isn't it. It's the quiet
ones you have to work look out for. And you're like, ah, Florida,
they stink they're not gonna beat Texas. Yes, Ucla they
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fired to Sean Foster, Penn State's way better, doesn't matter.
Cincinnati jumps up and beats Iowa State like you name it.
There were upsets galore this weekend on what was supposed
to be a quiet college football weekend, and then you
have the National Football League, which gave us upsets. It's
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not just that Philly lost, It's not just that Buffalo lost.
It's that Buffalo lost to the Pats, who weren't a
playoff team, fired their coach and haven't looked great to
start the season. And Philly lost to Denver, who playoff
team last year with super soft schedule and looked like
a team that again can beat the bad teams, can't
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beat the good teams, and were down big. But a
funny thing happened on the way to five and zero
for the Philadelphia Eagles. They collapse and the Broncos end
up getting a gigantic road win. Here's Nick Sirianni, head
coach of the defending Super Bowl champion Eagles, on the loss.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I think that the guys have worked extremely hard in preparation.
I see the same hunger that is that was there
prior to us winning the Super Bowl. So I don't
think it's it's anything like that. Again, just the name
of this game is always going to come down to,
you know, detail, and you know, as far as us
as coaches and players know we weren't detailed enough today
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and they were a little more detailed than us.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Now, Listen, that sounds very coach speaking, right, What really happened?
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Nick?
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Who you're really going to fire?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (02:39):
And we'll get to something in a second. Kind of
the obvious AJ Brown, elephant in the room, Seguon Barkley
thirty yards rushing. That tells you a lot. I would
also say that I think when when a coach points
out detail, he is talking about the offense, he is
talking about the offensive coordinator. And when you're a new
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play caller, oftentimes and I experienced this, I'm not casting,
I'm not I know I live in a glass house
and so this is not throwing rocks here, but when
your first time play caller, oftentimes you focus on the
play or the rhythm or something you saw like you
just need experience doing it. And one of the things
that gets left out is oftentimes the detail. Oftentimes the detail.
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You have to coach every detail of every play, and
there has to be a reason that you're trying that
play and has to give outs that the defense guess
is wrong. There's got to be a counter to it.
And all those different things. It feels like there's something missing,
and it's felt like there's something missing with the Eagles.
The reason the Eagles were undefeated to this point and
have won so many games over the last couple years
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in the regular season is they have cracked the hardest
part of the winning code, which is just how do
you win games late? Just finding a way running the football.
I mean, would they be a defending Super Bowl champion
it wasn't for the tush push. I don't think so,
because the tush push has covered up for many astalled
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drives where they get to fourth and two, fourth and
one and then they just get the first go for
it on the first down, whereas everybody else in the
NFL has punted. So their offense isn't really as good
as anyone could perceive it to be going back to
previous years, and then this year you lose your offensive coordinator.
Your offense isn't sharp. Jalen Hurts. He is limited as
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a passer. It doesn't mean that he can't throw a football.
It doesn't mean that he's bad. It just means that
it's not what he does best. His intangibles, his toughness, yes,
his ability to Scramble is abile to get first downs
and then he can be a very accurate underneath thrower
and be a really good quarterback. But if you put
the ball in his hands and say we're gonna drop
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back sixty times and win a game, somebody does best.
I also want to to make sure I don't diminish
the Broncos, like it's super important to not diminish the Broncos. Yes,
the offense, and you have a bow Nicks who's been
playing good ball and will play for you what John
Payton said about it, But what about the defense. This
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is an Eagles team that is built is built for
this type of game. Get a leader early, run the football,
put pin your ears back and rush the passer. And
for a team that's built like that at home to
have a big lead to the loss shows you there's
a lot more going on in Philadelphia than just their
offense struggling, Which brings us to aj Brown when you're
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true obviously trying to force him the football. This is
what happened to Dante Culpepper with the Minnesota Vikings. Who
remembers it. Dante Culpepper had two problems, one fumbling, two
forcing the ball to Randy Moss. Yet forcing the ball
to Randy Moss And yeah, do you want to keep
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Randy Moss happy? Yet? Do you want to keep Randy
Moss engage? Sure is mot was Raindny Moss one of
the elite wide receivers in the history of the NFL. Yes,
but if you force it to him, there's just a
there's a fine line there. They'll start picking him off,
They'll start playing for it and intercepting it, and that's
eventually what I thought cost him his career. It feels
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like that's what they're doing in Philly. Aj Brown is
such a gigantic pain in the backside that they're like, fine,
let's just take some of the pressure off Jalen, get
the ball to aj Brown, let him make some place.
We're paying to a bunch of money. We can't get
rid of him. And he is really talented, but it's
not really who the Eagles are. And it's throwing everybody
out of rhythm trying to get this one guy some touches,
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and it throws a play colorad of rhythm. Here's Sean
Payton talking about his second year quarterback bo Nicks.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
You know when you play something like that you're gonna
get punched and it's not gonna be easy. But we
kept fighting. And that's that's what I was most encouraged about,
just the fight, the grit, you know. And then you
felt that this is a funny thing. That momentum shifted,
and when that happened, it's pretty powerful.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
A momentum did shift. It did shift. We had so
much stuff to cover. I mean, the way the Seahawks
game ended, Buyer, can I just ask you, because I
know you and Carry I think you were on the
air at that time, right when you're watching, and Sam
Donald had played so well up into that moment. There's like,
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what was like fifty two seconds to go in the game,
and the Seahawks have the ball with a chance to
drive down and kick a field goal and win the game.
And I didn't think anybody was open. But he did
get hit as he released the ball, which clearly caused
the ball and then the ball hit a defensive lineman's
helmet which caused it to ricochet. But it also felt like,
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do we need to be throwing this ball over the
middle right here late when you could just there's nothing
there throw it away. What were your thoughts on the
interception which ultimately befell your Seahawks.
Speaker 6 (08:01):
Yeah, I mean it was a bad decision. Hearing Donald
explain it after the game, he said that there was
a receiver that he missed at that time and shouldn't
have thrown the football and yeah, when you do it
in your own territory when the team just needs to
Then on the turnover, they actually did have an opportunity
to get a stop. But still it's more of the
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team could have been four and one and maybe eluding
all of the things of Sam Donald that maybe they
were worried about entering this season and one popped up
in the worst opportune time yesterday.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
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this lead, and I said this. The podcast version of
the show comes out at the top of what would
be the third hour of the show. But the Sanchez
(09:20):
story Mark Sanchez story continues to evolve into being a
crazy one and a weird one, and there's lots of Hey,
when a story comes down, make sure you take take
a beat, maybe even just let it breathe before you
send out a tweet over what you think on a
situation you have no idea about. But is that the
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weirdest one eighty on stories in recent memory? Like I
woke up Saturday morning, like, holy crap, Mark Sanchez and
you hear a guy get stabbed and he's in Indian
And I was just in Indie last week. We had
the Horizon League meeting last week and a media day
last week, and like really, like I know where everybody
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stays for those games. That's not a tough area. Has
tough areas in every town, not right there. You know
what do you do when you come in to call
a game, a Colts game, Well, you go to practice,
then you go back and you have dinner with the
crew at Saint Elmo's and you have really really spicy
shrimp cocktail. Couple pops, walk back to the hotel, go
to sleep, wake up the next day, you know, you'll
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you'll have production meetings and then you watch college football
and get ready for your game. That's what you're doing.
And you wake up and he stabbed and you're like,
what what what just happened? And the people that wanted
to score political points try to do that Saturday morning,
the thoughts in prayers, posse did that, and then all
of a sudden, you know, the police report comes out.
You're like, wait what. Then video comes out yesterday, You're like,
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this is this is nuts.
Speaker 7 (10:53):
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Speaker 1 (11:03):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. How long
ago was the pandemic? Five years ago? H five years ago?
It was twenty twenty one. I was a pandemic well
started in March of twenty twenty March twenty twenty. Yeah,
five and a half years after the fact. Okay, fair enough,
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five and a half years. Can anybody remember a better
Patriot win post pandemic than the win last night in Buffalo?
Think about this, This is previous to the pandemic for
twenty years, honestly most of it starting on the first
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weekend after September eleven. That's when Tom Brady first came
it became the starting quarterback, right mo Lewis ends up
knocking out Drew Bledsoe. That was like a week and
a half after nine to eleven. First came back. So
subsequently from a terrorist attack tragedy unto international international global pandemic.
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In between those two, those bookend the Patriots the most
consistently successful team in the National Football League post pandemic.
It's been a mess, right Cam Newton. I thought the
year that they had Cam Newton was unbelievable coaching, but
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they weren't any good. They won seven games with a
bad football team because remember after the pandemic, you had
the opt outs, and they had eight guys opt out,
all of whom were starters. They were in capel, they
had guys opt out. They had Cam Newton couldn't throw
a football, right, He won three games, not thrown for
one hundred yards. The next year it got worse, not better.
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You draft a rookie quarterback, he's not good. It's the
end of the Belichick era. Then last year you hire
a brand new coach, it lasts for exactly seventeen games,
and you wipe that clean. I'm sure there's other good
wins there, because we're not all hardcore Patriot. Well, they
got this one, and this was fine. But in week five,
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to go into the undefeated Buffalo Bills stadium, right when
the Bills, I mean, are they perfectly healthy? I know,
but I mean it's Josh Allen healthy. Yeah, Like they're
at home last time, they're playing New England in that stadium,
and it's always been a house of horse for Buffalo
against the Bill Belichick Patriots, not as much recently. To
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go in and win that game, I can't. Part of
it is I think most of us are in the
bag for their coach. You be like that seems like
a guy I'd like to play for. But again, it
hadn't hit until yesterday. Those of the type of wins
that turn around a franchise. It doesn't. It can be
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a one off. You can go home feeling too good
about yourself and then lose a couple of games. But
you have to have those moments, moments for confidence, not
just for the players, but for the players to believe
in the staff, some wins matter more. They're like, well,
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that's not the way it works, Doug. You know there's
seventeen games and every win and whatever loss, that's not
You go into Buffalo and look, Stefan Diggs had been okay,
hadn't been very good this year, right, but you get
Stefan Diggs to where he wins that game and he's
made it's some sort of triumphant hero like gladiatorial return
to his former home. And look, Stefan Diggs was a
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there's a word starts with a D and it's the K.
It's four letters. Oftentimes he would he he pushed him
hisself out of there. Let's not act like the Bills
were at fault. But if you're New England, it gets
Stefan Diggs fully bought in because you can draw on
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that as a coach. Hey man, we go up there
and beat Buffalo like you said you want to do. Yeah,
all right, come on, dig in, buy into what we're doing.
More big wins that come and he's like, yeah, I'm in.
I'm in. And when you have guys that can go
either way, he's a fifty to fifty guy. He can
help you, he can hurt you, he will you win
that game. I think it turns around Stefan Diggs. Maybe
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not long term, but for the next four or five games,
he's all in on whatever you want to tell him
to do. You don't throw him the ball, you want
him to block the whole game, he'll do it. Biggest
win since the pandemic. Here's Mark Mike Brabel on what
he thinks after of his team after five weeks.
Speaker 8 (15:53):
We'll want to start faster, but we finished really well
and you don't settle down, and so again, I'm just
really proud of the whole team for being able to
come into this road environment. We talk about there's a
lot of other people that had cracks of beating them here.
You know, for fourteen games, they had their opportunity, and
we and those players took advantage of that opportunity and
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beat a really good football team. We're confident coming in here,
so I guess it don't probably help, but we'll have
to start over and continue to improve. We talked about
how we have to improve along the way, and this
was the next step that we needed to take. So
we'll pick up the pieces and get back to work
as soon as we get on.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
The plane and see if you can bounce back. You
can use that to buttress you and to you know,
kind of springboard gena more wins. It's the Doug Gottlieb
Show here on Fox Sports Radio, and it's that time
to catch up with our good friend Tom Tellusca, former
gentle manager of the Chargers for eleven years, Raiders last year,
and he's our gentle manager here on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
(16:59):
Let's start with with last night Buffalo, your hometown, by
the way, undefeated coming in and you got the Patriots,
and the Patriots have been just up and down this
year with Rabel in his first year. What happened?
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Yeah, you know, going into the year, I was not
probably on the Patriot bandwagon at first. I just thought
they were still a year or two away talent wise.
But I've just been so impressed with the job like
Brabel's doing, just with the culture of the team. Number one,
and then you combine that de fact with GM is
Elliott Wolf. Elliott knows players really well. So you take
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a GM that knows talent, Mike Rabel knows how to
build a team, and they're much farther along than I
thought they would be. They went out in the off season.
They basically bought a new defense in the offseason. And
it's one thing to have a lot of cap space
and be able to spend that money, just like it's
one thing to have a lot of NL money to
spend on the portal players, but you have to spend
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on the right players. And the Patriots signed the right guys,
and their defense is playing really well. And now it's
not great for long term development, but for short term
it's really helping them out. And then Drake May was
outstanding last night, so they're farther along. And I thought, now, Buffalo,
it's hard, like they've been so good for so long,
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and really, at this point, anything that matters right now
it's how they play in a playoff, So it's hard
to have a stinger for all seventeen weeks. I'm not
overly concerned about them. The offense is still going to
be fine. In the end, the game really came down
to turnovers because New England's offense. I mean, I know
Drake May played pretty well, but they did New England
didn't run the ball that well, they didn't play very
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long third down. I think they were less than thirty percent.
They give up four sacks, but the turnovers made the difference.
But New England, just the way they played, the toughness,
the situational football was impressive.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of Tom Teleasco. Ravens are one in four now
the beginning of their season. Obviously the Browns win, but
outside of that, they played three really good teams in
the Bills and the Chiefs. Now they lose to the Texans,
they get blown out, they don't have Lamar Jackson rams
up next. This this reminds me on so many levels
of what college football coaches are going through right where
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here's a guy in John Harbaugh who's won since he's
been there, right like literally haven't had a bad year,
and now all of a sudden you catch a couple
of l's where you kind of they didn't overschedule the
NFL kind of overschedule them early. Then your quarterback gets
hurt and now you're in a world of pain and
maybe come out of the bye week he can get
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Lamar back. But until then, you know, if you're staring
down one in five in the face, that's hard. That's
hard to climb climb out of. And now you get
the well, maybe they've topped out under John Harbaugh. What's
that like from a GM's perspective, where you have a
guy who's won for a decade and all of a
sudden you catch a bad mix of schedule, injury, injuries,
and probably not nearly as good defensively as they've been.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
If John Harbaugh has a buy of work that you
can put up against anybody, so he'll be able to
figure out where how they can weather the storm, which
they're going to have to do. I mean, they're the
amount of players they have out due to injury is
just staggering and it's hard to recover from. And it's
not just starters. These are impact players. So he's gonna
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have to put a plan together just to weather the storm.
And that's what they're going to have to do. And
the only issue is on defense. When they were healthy,
they were giving up a lot of points. I mean
they were giving up almost thirty points a game when
they had most their starters out there. Now, like you said,
they played some good teams, but it's supposed to be
a really good defense, so that has to change. That
has to get fixed. But they've always had you know,
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the Ravens haven't always just skated through the regular season
in prior years. They've had the roughs, they've had their downs.
But offensively, right now they're gonna have to come up
with a plan. It's interesting they signed Cooper Rush as
their back quarterback, and I say that's interesting. It's because
he's a completely different style than Lamar. So you can
look at it as the opponents now they have to
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prepare a little bit differently depending on who the quarter
back going to be. But also on Baltimore side, he
would have to have two different offenses because they're both
completely different skill sets. So what I'd like to see
from Baltimore is just spread the ball out amongst their
playmakers more. That's just kind of the way Buffalo plays.
Buffalo doesn't have a true number one on offense, but
they spread the ball amongst their tight ends and receivers.
It just seems like the Ravens they move into this,
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it's all Derrick Henry as all as a Flowers and
Bateman doesn't get a lot of targets their tight end.
He's getting some more, Andrews he's getting some more, but
he hasn't gotten that many. Hopkins only had two targets
the other day. So if we could spread the ball
out a little bit more to make teams defend us,
it's going to help them. But they just have to
weather the storm right now. They're still not out of it.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
You mentioned that you pay attention to that Cowboys game. Obviously,
Dak put up gigantic numbers, and if there's been one
takeaway from the Cowboys decision, it's that Jerry does some
things that leave us scratching our heads, but keeping Brian
Schottenheimer and Dak Prescott together, he's benefited greatly from it.
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When you watch that game, though, what'd you see?
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Well, I think you're absolutely right. And when you pay
Dak Prescott what they pay them, you expect the quarterback
to raise the level of everybody around you. And that's
what Dak has done. And I've been at Dak fan.
I think he's an elite player when he's healthy. He
hasn't been real healthy. He's healthy the last couple of years,
but to see what he's doing right now, they're offensive.
There's a number of teams right now, Minnesota, the Chargers
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and some others that have offensive lines that are really
banged up. Dallas's offensive line is really banged up, but
they're still moving the ball on scoring points. So that's
that's the credit to Dallas and the depth that they have.
But also how dak is playing. La got t d
lamb out who's their best receiver. But they're spreading the
ball around to Ferguson to it to the receivers, so
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they're still moving the ball that way. Javontay Williams, they're
running back. They sign in pregency with a great signing
by their personnel staff. He was an excellent player at
North Carolina. I had a knee injury with the Broncos
hat and Quinton gotten back to Willie was pre injury.
He may be back now. So it's really nice to
see them with that offense even though they have some injuries,
that the quarterbacks still lead them and he's playing out
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standing football right now.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Was Philly
Were they just fell asleep at the wheel or is
this the sign of things that have been brewing underneath
the surface. They clearly tried to force the ball to
aj Brown to their own detriment.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
Yeah, I totally agree, and look Lizy Kellen Moore, who's
now the head coach of the Saints. That's a big deal.
And he's one of the best play callers in the NFL.
He's an experienced play caller. So now you move in
Kevin Patulo, who's been on the staff, so they're gonna
run a similar offense, but he's a little more inexperienced.
He's learning on the run. Now there's a first time
you know, the first time coordinator. You have to start somewhere.
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I get that, but it's going to be different. And
so this is where Nick Sirianni has an offensive background.
He he's have to probably step in assist up on
the details because their identity is a running team. That's
what they are. Last year they were, you know, a
top five in scoring, but didn't throw the ball very
well toward the bomber the league in passing, and it's
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the same way this year. They're thirty first in passing,
but they're seventh is scoring. So they know how to
score points, but it's gonna come in different ways. A
lot of this is gonna come off the running game.
So I had no problems with them in the first
half yesterday, trying to throw the ball just to loose
them off to get the running game going. And that's
trying to you know, the Broncos had some tight boxes
in there, but eventually you have to get back to
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the run game. They have one of the best offensive
lines in the league, even though they're a little bit
banged up, but it's still in the best offensive lins
that have Barkley. This is what they do, so you
don't want to change the philosophy that works for them,
even though if it's not pleasing for everybody else. And
I kind of felt like yesterday, like you just said,
they were trying to force the ball the aj brown
and throw the bomb more than they really would want
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to in the past. So this is where the head
coach steps in and gets being straightened out.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
It's the Gotlib Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's
the voice of Tom Telesco Tommy Vikings. Get a win
early early London time. You got to watch that game.
What was your breakdown of the difference in that game?
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Yeah, six thirty Star AM on the West Coast, but
so you got a full day of football out here.
But it was I thought it was an interesting game,
just because you know, it was our first chance to
see Dylan Gabriel and he's playing against a really good
defense with the Viking, so you knew it was going
to be tough sweating from the start. But with Dylan Gabriel,
at least he gave them some hope. His mobility is
quick seat, he's got quick guys and the quick release,
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and I just didn't think he was panicked by a
really good defense, so that his numbers they weren't great,
and I understand they were probably weren't going to be,
but I thought was still pretty encouraging. Cleveland just doesn't
have enough around him yet on offense to really get
where they want to go. It's going to take another
year or two. And they had a great draft last year.
It was going to take a couple more, just talent wise.
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In Minnesota, you know, we talked about offensive lines being
really dined up. I mean, there's no one, no one
more banged up than they are, and they played like
I mean, they gave up a ton of pressures to
the Browns. They didn't run the ball that well, but
the Vikings they forced two turnovers and the defense plays
really well and wins did enough to win the game. So,
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but I thought it was really interesting. At least Cleveland
showed some hope on offense, but the talent level just
isn't quite here. It's quite there yet to win a
game like that.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Arizona loses a game in probably the most the worst
imaginable way. Like, there's a lot of ways to lose,
and I know I lost twenty eight of umnless. You're
tom so this is not this is not me right, Like,
how'd we How the frick did we lose that game? Well, coach,
did this happen? That happen? But to have in one
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half you have a guy going into the end zone
for a touchdown and fumble drop the ball before he
goes in right, that costs you a touchdown, and then
you pick him off at the You pick off a
rookie quarterback at the end of the game and not
just take a knee instead lose the ball and give
up a touchdown. You were the gentlemanager of the Chargers,
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so there was a couple of years there when you
guys found new and inventive ways to lose a football game.
Have you ever seen anything like how Arizona lost that game?
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Well, I've been a part a couple though, Like you said,
so I really appreciate that, and I probably have been
around a couple of them and watching I didn't see
that whole game necessary where I saw how it ended up.
I want to pull up the TV copy. I want
to watch it all the way out. But that was
one of those situations where as a GM, I'm sitting
back here and you know, thank god, I'm not in
that CEA right now, because there's just no worse feeling.
(27:40):
Usually fourth quarter late in the game. As a GYM,
you come down to the field, you stand in the
tunnel to watch the end of the game, and sometimes
things just snowball. And that's what happened in that game,
where one mistake just leads to three, four or five
more mistakes and that's how you lose the game. So
this is why it's critical Monday morning, when the head
coach walks in the building, when the GM walks in
the building and the owner walks in the building, you
(28:02):
really got to have the leadership because people are just
devastated and you hate to compare losing a game to
a funeral, but unfortunately that's how it feels on a
Monday morning and it feels even worse than you lose
a game that you really should have won. So this
is where the head coach and GM you have to
walk in head high and lead and get everybody back.
You know, usually by Wednesday, you know, Tuesday is a
(28:22):
player's day off. Let everybody grieve for a little bit,
get to the drawing board, makes the correction, and leave
the franchise on from there. But it's just no worse
feeling because there's only seventeen games, and when you lose
one that you should have won, you just you'll never
forget that game. You'll never forget that game for their career.
I've got some of those games that you just never forget,
you know, a miskick, you know, shoot, you're you're a Charger,
(28:44):
you are a Chargers fan. You remember them all and
it just hurts you to the core. But you have
to have leaders to get over that.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Geno Smith's frown eight interceptions last four games. Of course,
if you take out that Washing game where he was
really good, I mean, he's been atrocious. How much of
it is him, how much of it is they just
don't have the overall talent to protect him, and he's
forcing things you.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Know, it's hard to figure out because you know, early
in Gino's career when he was with the Jets, he
used to make some of these interceptions, some of these
key big fair plays. But his playing Seattle was very consistent,
protected the football, he completed the ball to a high percentage,
and he had kind of overcome that. But it's creeping
up again this year and it's been really you know
(29:29):
through five games. So the good thing is he's shown
he can play at a high level, so they need
to get back to that. They're running the ball much better.
Jens is the real deal. He's going to be an
outstanding player. Obviously really hurt not having black Bowers. Black
Bowers is their explosive threat in the passing game. That's
and not having him was a pretty big deal. But
defensively they just kind of felt hard against the Colts.
(29:51):
But the Cults are good. I mean, I know they
don't have a lot of big name players, but they're
really talented. Really between quarterback, running back, offensive line, receiver,
and tight end. The tough to stop. I mean, they
were eighty percent on third down yesterday, which is incredibly high.
Crazy so and the narrators they get in the red zone,
they couldn't score and it's been like that for two weeks.
(30:11):
The Colt scored six touchdowns in the red zone. So
you don't see that very often in the NFL. But
I think with Gino, he's shown he can do it.
He may be pressing a little bit. You know, you
get traded to a team, you're either you're the quote
unquote savior because they just haven't had a great quarterback
for such a long time. You get paid big money.
Maybe it's taken on a little bit too much, but
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he is. I was with him with the Chargers for
a year. He's incredibly resilient. He handled it versty extremely well.
So I think he'll pull through this.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Chiefs tonight against the Jags. Chiefs are favored on the
road in Jacksonville. But you know, I don't I don't
know your thoughts on Trevor Lawrence on what's been missing,
but it does feel like Liam Cohen's been good for him.
What's your take on Lawrence from from a perspective of
like when he was coming out, he was a can
(31:00):
miss guy. It's it's been hard, it's been up and down.
Hasn't been terrible at times, but sometimes it's been Okay,
what's your read on where he is?
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Reliam Cohn, Yeah, you know, this would be a fascinating game.
I was really not on their bandwagon going to the season,
and then all of a sudden, there're three and one.
I do want to see how they respond against the Chiefs.
I mean, they've been just feating our turnovers and that's
hard to sustained through a whole year. Trevor Lawrence has
all account in the world, and he's just been up
and down. I mean the highs have been really high.
(31:30):
He can make some big time NFL throws. He's got
side athletic ability. There's just been those those blips here
or there, those those key interceptions that you have to
try and even out. And having a new head coach
who's also an offensive coordinator, I think he'd be good
for him. Maybe it's a little bit different change of
scenery without having to move teams. But running back Travis
Etn is having a resurgence. I think he's an excellent player.
(31:53):
So we're going to see how that goes. But to me,
like the biggest thing tonight is watching Jack Ofville defense,
which is playing really well. They've got two big time
pass rushers with Josh Allen and Trevon Walker. John Walker's
questionable for tonight, band, I think you should go and
how they play against the Chiefs tackles which have just
really struggled. Rookie Josh Simmons is going to be a
really good tackle in the league. He just isn't quite
(32:16):
ready for prime time yet. He will be, but he's
just not there yet. And Juwan Taylor has struggled. So
I really curious see how Jacksonville plays shoots the biggest
game that Jacksonville's had in a long time, and it's
on National TV. The Al Trebor Lawrence goes against Magnola's defense.
You want National TV. It's gonna be a fun game
to watch tonight.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Awesome stuff. As always, man, well enjoy watching football. I
know it's a totally different experience for you, but uh,
I just I cannot thank you enough for joining us
on a weekly basis. We'll talk to you next week,
so good Thanks.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
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Speaker 7 (33:37):
The game today is big deal, little deal, no deal.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
Big deal, A little deal of no deal that there
are no more unbeaten teams in the NFL after five
weeks of the season, Uh, big deal.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Usually it drags into week twelve or thirteen? Right? What
was the former? Reminded dolphin who he passed away? Right?
He was on the seventy two team Mercury Morris, Mercury Morris.
May we talk about teams are in my neighbor in
my neighborhood but you know where we live. He came
out of the house and nobody even got into the neighborhood.
Speaker 6 (34:09):
This year, not even close. And it's been with the
seventeen game schedule, I think that this is going to
be more than norm I remember a few years ago,
and I think this was prior to the seventeen game schedule,
where Arizona went in like seven to oh eight.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
No.
Speaker 6 (34:24):
But I mean we've seen in the first just month
of the season on how teams can change. All right,
big deal, little dealer, no deal, that there's just one
winless team in the NFL after five weeks. That would
be the Jets. Oh and five.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Winless team.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Kind of same thing, right, because there's been so much,
so much fluctuations. I'm surprised, surprised that we have The
Titans should have lost yesterday, right, they won, They were terrible,
So I'm surprised there's only one.
Speaker 6 (34:56):
All right, big deal, little dealer, no deal, the Chargers
running back of Mario and Hampton so from an ankle injurying,
Yesterday's lost to the Commanders gigantic.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Gigantic. I mean they have already lost other backs. They
have a bunch of injuries and he's been a big
time draft pick. For how they want to play. Teama
wants to run the football. You lose your book ND tackles,
and then you lose your top two running backs. That's
going to hurt.
Speaker 6 (35:17):
This is a note from college football. It came down today,
big deal, little deal or no deal that Miami in
South Carolina canceled a home and home college football series
because their leagues went to nine conference games, so there
will be no Canes and game Cocks in non conference
because of that. Is that a big deal, a little
deal or no deal.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
It's a little deal, it's a little deal. It's just
the reality of it, you know. It's I mean, if
Miami is going to play Florida every year, then that's
ten high level games. They don't need another one. It's
just the reality of it. And South Carolina's going to
play Clemson every year so that they don't need it.
Remember it's not that they want to get out of
playing a tenth Power four team. This is the eleventh
(35:56):
Power four team.
Speaker 6 (35:56):
I think you're seeing a little bit of what could
be sacrificed because of that conference game. Finally, Doug, big deal,
little deal, an old deal that Memphis Grizzlies scared John
Morant spring to his ankle and practice yesterday and is
considered week to week.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
I think it's a big deal. Only from this standpoint
does anybody consider John Morant a star anymore? And yet
if you go back three years ago before the gun stuff,
that guy was a burgeoning star. So that that's the
only place where it's a big deal. Otherwise, preseason basketball
not really that into it.
Speaker 6 (36:28):
He is injured a lot, yes, and that's game time.
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month of the year. I won't hear it otherwise. Best
month of the year.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
October sport Yeah yeah, NBA teams preseason, get ready to start,
WNBA still playing and cavetching about officiating.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
College football, we told you the weekends. It's like the
you know, people always say it's the quiet ones you
have to watch out for. Right, It's the same with
college football weekends, Dan Byer, isn't it. It's the quiet
ones you have to work look out for. And you're like, ah, Florida,
they stink they're not gonna beat Texas. Yes, Ucla they
(01:06):
fired to Sean Foster, Penn State's way better, doesn't matter.
Cincinnati jumps up and beats Iowa State like you name it.
There were upsets galore this weekend on what was supposed
to be a quiet college football weekend, and then you
have the National Football League, which gave us upsets. It's
(01:27):
not just that Philly lost, It's not just that Buffalo lost.
It's that Buffalo lost to the Pats, who weren't a
playoff team, fired their coach and haven't looked great to
start the season. And Philly lost to Denver, who playoff
team last year with super soft schedule and looked like
a team that again can beat the bad teams, can't
(01:48):
beat the good teams, and were down big. But a
funny thing happened on the way to five and zero
for the Philadelphia Eagles. They collapse and the Broncos end
up getting a gigantic road win. Here's Nick Sirianni, head
coach of the defending Super Bowl champion Eagles, on the loss.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I think that the guys have worked extremely hard in preparation.
I see the same hunger that is that was there
prior to us winning the Super Bowl. So I don't
think it's it's anything like that. Again, just the name
of this game is always going to come down to,
you know, detail, and you know, as far as us
as coaches and players know we weren't detailed enough today
(02:31):
and they were a little more detailed than us.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Now, Listen, that sounds very coach speaking, right, What really happened?
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Nick?
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Who you're really going to fire?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (02:39):
And we'll get to something in a second. Kind of
the obvious AJ Brown, elephant in the room, Seguon Barkley
thirty yards rushing. That tells you a lot. I would
also say that I think when when a coach points
out detail, he is talking about the offense, he is
talking about the offensive coordinator. And when you're a new
(03:02):
play caller, oftentimes and I experienced this, I'm not casting,
I'm not I know I live in a glass house
and so this is not throwing rocks here, but when
your first time play caller, oftentimes you focus on the
play or the rhythm or something you saw like you
just need experience doing it. And one of the things
that gets left out is oftentimes the detail. Oftentimes the detail.
(03:29):
You have to coach every detail of every play, and
there has to be a reason that you're trying that
play and has to give outs that the defense guess
is wrong. There's got to be a counter to it.
And all those different things. It feels like there's something missing,
and it's felt like there's something missing with the Eagles.
The reason the Eagles were undefeated to this point and
have won so many games over the last couple years
(03:49):
in the regular season is they have cracked the hardest
part of the winning code, which is just how do
you win games late? Just finding a way running the football.
I mean, would they be a defending Super Bowl champion
it wasn't for the tush push. I don't think so,
because the tush push has covered up for many astalled
(04:09):
drives where they get to fourth and two, fourth and
one and then they just get the first go for
it on the first down, whereas everybody else in the
NFL has punted. So their offense isn't really as good
as anyone could perceive it to be going back to
previous years, and then this year you lose your offensive coordinator.
Your offense isn't sharp. Jalen Hurts. He is limited as
(04:31):
a passer. It doesn't mean that he can't throw a football.
It doesn't mean that he's bad. It just means that
it's not what he does best. His intangibles, his toughness, yes,
his ability to Scramble is abile to get first downs
and then he can be a very accurate underneath thrower
and be a really good quarterback. But if you put
the ball in his hands and say we're gonna drop
(04:53):
back sixty times and win a game, somebody does best.
I also want to to make sure I don't diminish
the Broncos, like it's super important to not diminish the Broncos. Yes,
the offense, and you have a bow Nicks who's been
playing good ball and will play for you what John
Payton said about it, But what about the defense. This
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is an Eagles team that is built is built for
this type of game. Get a leader early, run the football,
put pin your ears back and rush the passer. And
for a team that's built like that at home to
have a big lead to the loss shows you there's
a lot more going on in Philadelphia than just their
offense struggling, Which brings us to aj Brown when you're
(05:40):
true obviously trying to force him the football. This is
what happened to Dante Culpepper with the Minnesota Vikings. Who
remembers it. Dante Culpepper had two problems, one fumbling, two
forcing the ball to Randy Moss. Yet forcing the ball
to Randy Moss And yeah, do you want to keep
(06:01):
Randy Moss happy? Yet? Do you want to keep Randy
Moss engage? Sure is mot was Raindny Moss one of
the elite wide receivers in the history of the NFL. Yes,
but if you force it to him, there's just a
there's a fine line there. They'll start picking him off,
They'll start playing for it and intercepting it, and that's
eventually what I thought cost him his career. It feels
(06:22):
like that's what they're doing in Philly. Aj Brown is
such a gigantic pain in the backside that they're like, fine,
let's just take some of the pressure off Jalen, get
the ball to aj Brown, let him make some place.
We're paying to a bunch of money. We can't get
rid of him. And he is really talented, but it's
not really who the Eagles are. And it's throwing everybody
out of rhythm trying to get this one guy some touches,
(06:43):
and it throws a play colorad of rhythm. Here's Sean
Payton talking about his second year quarterback bo Nicks.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
You know when you play something like that you're gonna
get punched and it's not gonna be easy. But we
kept fighting. And that's that's what I was most encouraged about,
just the fight, the grit, you know. And then you
felt that this is a funny thing. That momentum shifted,
and when that happened, it's pretty powerful.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
A momentum did shift. It did shift. We had so
much stuff to cover. I mean, the way the Seahawks
game ended, Buyer, can I just ask you, because I
know you and Carry I think you were on the
air at that time, right when you're watching, and Sam
Donald had played so well up into that moment. There's like,
(07:29):
what was like fifty two seconds to go in the game,
and the Seahawks have the ball with a chance to
drive down and kick a field goal and win the game.
And I didn't think anybody was open. But he did
get hit as he released the ball, which clearly caused
the ball and then the ball hit a defensive lineman's
helmet which caused it to ricochet. But it also felt like,
(07:52):
do we need to be throwing this ball over the
middle right here late when you could just there's nothing
there throw it away. What were your thoughts on the
interception which ultimately befell your Seahawks.
Speaker 6 (08:01):
Yeah, I mean it was a bad decision. Hearing Donald
explain it after the game, he said that there was
a receiver that he missed at that time and shouldn't
have thrown the football and yeah, when you do it
in your own territory when the team just needs to
Then on the turnover, they actually did have an opportunity
to get a stop. But still it's more of the
(08:22):
team could have been four and one and maybe eluding
all of the things of Sam Donald that maybe they
were worried about entering this season and one popped up
in the worst opportune time yesterday.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
It's crazy. There's so much football this weekend. So much
football this weekend, and a baseball comeback, and we got
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this lead, and I said this. The podcast version of
the show comes out at the top of what would
be the third hour of the show. But the Sanchez
(09:20):
story Mark Sanchez story continues to evolve into being a
crazy one and a weird one, and there's lots of Hey,
when a story comes down, make sure you take take
a beat, maybe even just let it breathe before you
send out a tweet over what you think on a
situation you have no idea about. But is that the
(09:43):
weirdest one eighty on stories in recent memory? Like I
woke up Saturday morning, like, holy crap, Mark Sanchez and
you hear a guy get stabbed and he's in Indian
And I was just in Indie last week. We had
the Horizon League meeting last week and a media day
last week, and like really, like I know where everybody
(10:06):
stays for those games. That's not a tough area. Has
tough areas in every town, not right there. You know
what do you do when you come in to call
a game, a Colts game, Well, you go to practice,
then you go back and you have dinner with the
crew at Saint Elmo's and you have really really spicy
shrimp cocktail. Couple pops, walk back to the hotel, go
to sleep, wake up the next day, you know, you'll
(10:28):
you'll have production meetings and then you watch college football
and get ready for your game. That's what you're doing.
And you wake up and he stabbed and you're like,
what what what just happened? And the people that wanted
to score political points try to do that Saturday morning,
the thoughts in prayers, posse did that, and then all
of a sudden, you know, the police report comes out.
You're like, wait what. Then video comes out yesterday, You're like,
(10:50):
this is this is nuts.
Speaker 7 (10:53):
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Speaker 1 (11:03):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. How long
ago was the pandemic? Five years ago? H five years ago?
It was twenty twenty one. I was a pandemic well
started in March of twenty twenty March twenty twenty. Yeah,
five and a half years after the fact. Okay, fair enough,
(11:25):
five and a half years. Can anybody remember a better
Patriot win post pandemic than the win last night in Buffalo?
Think about this, This is previous to the pandemic for
twenty years, honestly most of it starting on the first
(11:47):
weekend after September eleven. That's when Tom Brady first came
it became the starting quarterback, right mo Lewis ends up
knocking out Drew Bledsoe. That was like a week and
a half after nine to eleven. First came back. So
subsequently from a terrorist attack tragedy unto international international global pandemic.
(12:10):
In between those two, those bookend the Patriots the most
consistently successful team in the National Football League post pandemic.
It's been a mess, right Cam Newton. I thought the
year that they had Cam Newton was unbelievable coaching, but
(12:32):
they weren't any good. They won seven games with a
bad football team because remember after the pandemic, you had
the opt outs, and they had eight guys opt out,
all of whom were starters. They were in capel, they
had guys opt out. They had Cam Newton couldn't throw
a football, right, He won three games, not thrown for
one hundred yards. The next year it got worse, not better.
(12:57):
You draft a rookie quarterback, he's not good. It's the
end of the Belichick era. Then last year you hire
a brand new coach, it lasts for exactly seventeen games,
and you wipe that clean. I'm sure there's other good
wins there, because we're not all hardcore Patriot. Well, they
got this one, and this was fine. But in week five,
(13:18):
to go into the undefeated Buffalo Bills stadium, right when
the Bills, I mean, are they perfectly healthy? I know,
but I mean it's Josh Allen healthy. Yeah, Like they're
at home last time, they're playing New England in that stadium,
and it's always been a house of horse for Buffalo
against the Bill Belichick Patriots, not as much recently. To
(13:41):
go in and win that game, I can't. Part of
it is I think most of us are in the
bag for their coach. You be like that seems like
a guy I'd like to play for. But again, it
hadn't hit until yesterday. Those of the type of wins
that turn around a franchise. It doesn't. It can be
(14:07):
a one off. You can go home feeling too good
about yourself and then lose a couple of games. But
you have to have those moments, moments for confidence, not
just for the players, but for the players to believe
in the staff, some wins matter more. They're like, well,
(14:29):
that's not the way it works, Doug. You know there's
seventeen games and every win and whatever loss, that's not
You go into Buffalo and look, Stefan Diggs had been okay,
hadn't been very good this year, right, but you get
Stefan Diggs to where he wins that game and he's
made it's some sort of triumphant hero like gladiatorial return
to his former home. And look, Stefan Diggs was a
(14:53):
there's a word starts with a D and it's the K.
It's four letters. Oftentimes he would he he pushed him
hisself out of there. Let's not act like the Bills
were at fault. But if you're New England, it gets
Stefan Diggs fully bought in because you can draw on
(15:17):
that as a coach. Hey man, we go up there
and beat Buffalo like you said you want to do. Yeah,
all right, come on, dig in, buy into what we're doing.
More big wins that come and he's like, yeah, I'm in.
I'm in. And when you have guys that can go
either way, he's a fifty to fifty guy. He can
help you, he can hurt you, he will you win
that game. I think it turns around Stefan Diggs. Maybe
(15:38):
not long term, but for the next four or five games,
he's all in on whatever you want to tell him
to do. You don't throw him the ball, you want
him to block the whole game, he'll do it. Biggest
win since the pandemic. Here's Mark Mike Brabel on what
he thinks after of his team after five weeks.
Speaker 8 (15:53):
We'll want to start faster, but we finished really well
and you don't settle down, and so again, I'm just
really proud of the whole team for being able to
come into this road environment. We talk about there's a
lot of other people that had cracks of beating them here.
You know, for fourteen games, they had their opportunity, and
we and those players took advantage of that opportunity and
(16:17):
beat a really good football team. We're confident coming in here,
so I guess it don't probably help, but we'll have
to start over and continue to improve. We talked about
how we have to improve along the way, and this
was the next step that we needed to take. So
we'll pick up the pieces and get back to work
as soon as we get on.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
The plane and see if you can bounce back. You
can use that to buttress you and to you know,
kind of springboard gena more wins. It's the Doug Gottlieb
Show here on Fox Sports Radio, and it's that time
to catch up with our good friend Tom Tellusca, former
gentle manager of the Chargers for eleven years, Raiders last year,
and he's our gentle manager here on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
(16:59):
Let's start with with last night Buffalo, your hometown, by
the way, undefeated coming in and you got the Patriots,
and the Patriots have been just up and down this
year with Rabel in his first year. What happened?
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Yeah, you know, going into the year, I was not
probably on the Patriot bandwagon at first. I just thought
they were still a year or two away talent wise.
But I've just been so impressed with the job like
Brabel's doing, just with the culture of the team. Number one,
and then you combine that de fact with GM is
Elliott Wolf. Elliott knows players really well. So you take
(17:34):
a GM that knows talent, Mike Rabel knows how to
build a team, and they're much farther along than I
thought they would be. They went out in the off season.
They basically bought a new defense in the offseason. And
it's one thing to have a lot of cap space
and be able to spend that money, just like it's
one thing to have a lot of NL money to
spend on the portal players, but you have to spend
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on the right players. And the Patriots signed the right guys,
and their defense is playing really well. And now it's
not great for long term development, but for short term
it's really helping them out. And then Drake May was
outstanding last night, so they're farther along. And I thought, now, Buffalo,
it's hard, like they've been so good for so long,
(18:17):
and really, at this point, anything that matters right now
it's how they play in a playoff, So it's hard
to have a stinger for all seventeen weeks. I'm not
overly concerned about them. The offense is still going to
be fine. In the end, the game really came down
to turnovers because New England's offense. I mean, I know
Drake May played pretty well, but they did New England
didn't run the ball that well, they didn't play very
(18:38):
long third down. I think they were less than thirty percent.
They give up four sacks, but the turnovers made the difference.
But New England, just the way they played, the toughness,
the situational football was impressive.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of Tom Teleasco. Ravens are one in four now
the beginning of their season. Obviously the Browns win, but
outside of that, they played three really good teams in
the Bills and the Chiefs. Now they lose to the Texans,
they get blown out, they don't have Lamar Jackson rams
up next. This this reminds me on so many levels
of what college football coaches are going through right where
(19:10):
here's a guy in John Harbaugh who's won since he's
been there, right like literally haven't had a bad year,
and now all of a sudden you catch a couple
of l's where you kind of they didn't overschedule the
NFL kind of overschedule them early. Then your quarterback gets
hurt and now you're in a world of pain and
maybe come out of the bye week he can get
(19:30):
Lamar back. But until then, you know, if you're staring
down one in five in the face, that's hard. That's
hard to climb climb out of. And now you get
the well, maybe they've topped out under John Harbaugh. What's
that like from a GM's perspective, where you have a
guy who's won for a decade and all of a
sudden you catch a bad mix of schedule, injury, injuries,
and probably not nearly as good defensively as they've been.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
If John Harbaugh has a buy of work that you
can put up against anybody, so he'll be able to
figure out where how they can weather the storm, which
they're going to have to do. I mean, they're the
amount of players they have out due to injury is
just staggering and it's hard to recover from. And it's
not just starters. These are impact players. So he's gonna
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have to put a plan together just to weather the storm.
And that's what they're going to have to do. And
the only issue is on defense. When they were healthy,
they were giving up a lot of points. I mean
they were giving up almost thirty points a game when
they had most their starters out there. Now, like you said,
they played some good teams, but it's supposed to be
a really good defense, so that has to change. That
has to get fixed. But they've always had you know,
(20:37):
the Ravens haven't always just skated through the regular season
in prior years. They've had the roughs, they've had their downs.
But offensively, right now they're gonna have to come up
with a plan. It's interesting they signed Cooper Rush as
their back quarterback, and I say that's interesting. It's because
he's a completely different style than Lamar. So you can
look at it as the opponents now they have to
(20:57):
prepare a little bit differently depending on who the quarter
back going to be. But also on Baltimore side, he
would have to have two different offenses because they're both
completely different skill sets. So what I'd like to see
from Baltimore is just spread the ball out amongst their
playmakers more. That's just kind of the way Buffalo plays.
Buffalo doesn't have a true number one on offense, but
they spread the ball amongst their tight ends and receivers.
It just seems like the Ravens they move into this,
(21:19):
it's all Derrick Henry as all as a Flowers and
Bateman doesn't get a lot of targets their tight end.
He's getting some more, Andrews he's getting some more, but
he hasn't gotten that many. Hopkins only had two targets
the other day. So if we could spread the ball
out a little bit more to make teams defend us,
it's going to help them. But they just have to
weather the storm right now. They're still not out of it.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
You mentioned that you pay attention to that Cowboys game. Obviously,
Dak put up gigantic numbers, and if there's been one
takeaway from the Cowboys decision, it's that Jerry does some
things that leave us scratching our heads, but keeping Brian
Schottenheimer and Dak Prescott together, he's benefited greatly from it.
(22:03):
When you watch that game, though, what'd you see?
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Well, I think you're absolutely right. And when you pay
Dak Prescott what they pay them, you expect the quarterback
to raise the level of everybody around you. And that's
what Dak has done. And I've been at Dak fan.
I think he's an elite player when he's healthy. He
hasn't been real healthy. He's healthy the last couple of years,
but to see what he's doing right now, they're offensive.
There's a number of teams right now, Minnesota, the Chargers
(22:28):
and some others that have offensive lines that are really
banged up. Dallas's offensive line is really banged up, but
they're still moving the ball on scoring points. So that's
that's the credit to Dallas and the depth that they have.
But also how dak is playing. La got t d
lamb out who's their best receiver. But they're spreading the
ball around to Ferguson to it to the receivers, so
(22:48):
they're still moving the ball that way. Javontay Williams, they're
running back. They sign in pregency with a great signing
by their personnel staff. He was an excellent player at
North Carolina. I had a knee injury with the Broncos
hat and Quinton gotten back to Willie was pre injury.
He may be back now. So it's really nice to
see them with that offense even though they have some injuries,
that the quarterbacks still lead them and he's playing out
(23:10):
standing football right now.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Was Philly
Were they just fell asleep at the wheel or is
this the sign of things that have been brewing underneath
the surface. They clearly tried to force the ball to
aj Brown to their own detriment.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
Yeah, I totally agree, and look Lizy Kellen Moore, who's
now the head coach of the Saints. That's a big deal.
And he's one of the best play callers in the NFL.
He's an experienced play caller. So now you move in
Kevin Patulo, who's been on the staff, so they're gonna
run a similar offense, but he's a little more inexperienced.
He's learning on the run. Now there's a first time
you know, the first time coordinator. You have to start somewhere.
(23:52):
I get that, but it's going to be different. And
so this is where Nick Sirianni has an offensive background.
He he's have to probably step in assist up on
the details because their identity is a running team. That's
what they are. Last year they were, you know, a
top five in scoring, but didn't throw the ball very
well toward the bomber the league in passing, and it's
(24:14):
the same way this year. They're thirty first in passing,
but they're seventh is scoring. So they know how to
score points, but it's gonna come in different ways. A
lot of this is gonna come off the running game.
So I had no problems with them in the first
half yesterday, trying to throw the ball just to loose
them off to get the running game going. And that's
trying to you know, the Broncos had some tight boxes
in there, but eventually you have to get back to
(24:34):
the run game. They have one of the best offensive
lines in the league, even though they're a little bit
banged up, but it's still in the best offensive lins
that have Barkley. This is what they do, so you
don't want to change the philosophy that works for them,
even though if it's not pleasing for everybody else. And
I kind of felt like yesterday, like you just said,
they were trying to force the ball the aj brown
and throw the bomb more than they really would want
(24:54):
to in the past. So this is where the head
coach steps in and gets being straightened out.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
It's the Gotlib Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's
the voice of Tom Telesco Tommy Vikings. Get a win
early early London time. You got to watch that game.
What was your breakdown of the difference in that game?
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Yeah, six thirty Star AM on the West Coast, but
so you got a full day of football out here.
But it was I thought it was an interesting game,
just because you know, it was our first chance to
see Dylan Gabriel and he's playing against a really good
defense with the Viking, so you knew it was going
to be tough sweating from the start. But with Dylan Gabriel,
at least he gave them some hope. His mobility is
quick seat, he's got quick guys and the quick release,
(25:39):
and I just didn't think he was panicked by a
really good defense, so that his numbers they weren't great,
and I understand they were probably weren't going to be,
but I thought was still pretty encouraging. Cleveland just doesn't
have enough around him yet on offense to really get
where they want to go. It's going to take another
year or two. And they had a great draft last year.
It was going to take a couple more, just talent wise.
(26:00):
In Minnesota, you know, we talked about offensive lines being
really dined up. I mean, there's no one, no one
more banged up than they are, and they played like
I mean, they gave up a ton of pressures to
the Browns. They didn't run the ball that well, but
the Vikings they forced two turnovers and the defense plays
really well and wins did enough to win the game. So,
(26:21):
but I thought it was really interesting. At least Cleveland
showed some hope on offense, but the talent level just
isn't quite here. It's quite there yet to win a
game like that.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Arizona loses a game in probably the most the worst
imaginable way. Like, there's a lot of ways to lose,
and I know I lost twenty eight of umnless. You're
tom so this is not this is not me right, Like,
how'd we How the frick did we lose that game? Well, coach,
did this happen? That happen? But to have in one
(26:50):
half you have a guy going into the end zone
for a touchdown and fumble drop the ball before he
goes in right, that costs you a touchdown, and then
you pick him off at the You pick off a
rookie quarterback at the end of the game and not
just take a knee instead lose the ball and give
up a touchdown. You were the gentlemanager of the Chargers,
(27:10):
so there was a couple of years there when you
guys found new and inventive ways to lose a football game.
Have you ever seen anything like how Arizona lost that game?
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Well, I've been a part a couple though, Like you said,
so I really appreciate that, and I probably have been
around a couple of them and watching I didn't see
that whole game necessary where I saw how it ended up.
I want to pull up the TV copy. I want
to watch it all the way out. But that was
one of those situations where as a GM, I'm sitting
back here and you know, thank god, I'm not in
that CEA right now, because there's just no worse feeling.
(27:40):
Usually fourth quarter late in the game. As a GYM,
you come down to the field, you stand in the
tunnel to watch the end of the game, and sometimes
things just snowball. And that's what happened in that game,
where one mistake just leads to three, four or five
more mistakes and that's how you lose the game. So
this is why it's critical Monday morning, when the head
coach walks in the building, when the GM walks in
the building and the owner walks in the building, you
(28:02):
really got to have the leadership because people are just
devastated and you hate to compare losing a game to
a funeral, but unfortunately that's how it feels on a
Monday morning and it feels even worse than you lose
a game that you really should have won. So this
is where the head coach and GM you have to
walk in head high and lead and get everybody back.
You know, usually by Wednesday, you know, Tuesday is a
(28:22):
player's day off. Let everybody grieve for a little bit,
get to the drawing board, makes the correction, and leave
the franchise on from there. But it's just no worse
feeling because there's only seventeen games, and when you lose
one that you should have won, you just you'll never
forget that game. You'll never forget that game for their career.
I've got some of those games that you just never forget,
you know, a miskick, you know, shoot, you're you're a Charger,
(28:44):
you are a Chargers fan. You remember them all and
it just hurts you to the core. But you have
to have leaders to get over that.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Geno Smith's frown eight interceptions last four games. Of course,
if you take out that Washing game where he was
really good, I mean, he's been atrocious. How much of
it is him, how much of it is they just
don't have the overall talent to protect him, and he's
forcing things you.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Know, it's hard to figure out because you know, early
in Gino's career when he was with the Jets, he
used to make some of these interceptions, some of these
key big fair plays. But his playing Seattle was very consistent,
protected the football, he completed the ball to a high percentage,
and he had kind of overcome that. But it's creeping
up again this year and it's been really you know
(29:29):
through five games. So the good thing is he's shown
he can play at a high level, so they need
to get back to that. They're running the ball much better.
Jens is the real deal. He's going to be an
outstanding player. Obviously really hurt not having black Bowers. Black
Bowers is their explosive threat in the passing game. That's
and not having him was a pretty big deal. But
defensively they just kind of felt hard against the Colts.
(29:51):
But the Cults are good. I mean, I know they
don't have a lot of big name players, but they're
really talented. Really between quarterback, running back, offensive line, receiver,
and tight end. The tough to stop. I mean, they
were eighty percent on third down yesterday, which is incredibly high.
Crazy so and the narrators they get in the red zone,
they couldn't score and it's been like that for two weeks.
(30:11):
The Colt scored six touchdowns in the red zone. So
you don't see that very often in the NFL. But
I think with Gino, he's shown he can do it.
He may be pressing a little bit. You know, you
get traded to a team, you're either you're the quote
unquote savior because they just haven't had a great quarterback
for such a long time. You get paid big money.
Maybe it's taken on a little bit too much, but
(30:32):
he is. I was with him with the Chargers for
a year. He's incredibly resilient. He handled it versty extremely well.
So I think he'll pull through this.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Chiefs tonight against the Jags. Chiefs are favored on the
road in Jacksonville. But you know, I don't I don't
know your thoughts on Trevor Lawrence on what's been missing,
but it does feel like Liam Cohen's been good for him.
What's your take on Lawrence from from a perspective of
like when he was coming out, he was a can
(31:00):
miss guy. It's it's been hard, it's been up and down.
Hasn't been terrible at times, but sometimes it's been Okay,
what's your read on where he is?
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Reliam Cohn, Yeah, you know, this would be a fascinating game.
I was really not on their bandwagon going to the season,
and then all of a sudden, there're three and one.
I do want to see how they respond against the Chiefs.
I mean, they've been just feating our turnovers and that's
hard to sustained through a whole year. Trevor Lawrence has
all account in the world, and he's just been up
and down. I mean the highs have been really high.
(31:30):
He can make some big time NFL throws. He's got
side athletic ability. There's just been those those blips here
or there, those those key interceptions that you have to
try and even out. And having a new head coach
who's also an offensive coordinator, I think he'd be good
for him. Maybe it's a little bit different change of
scenery without having to move teams. But running back Travis
Etn is having a resurgence. I think he's an excellent player.
(31:53):
So we're going to see how that goes. But to me,
like the biggest thing tonight is watching Jack Ofville defense,
which is playing really well. They've got two big time
pass rushers with Josh Allen and Trevon Walker. John Walker's
questionable for tonight, band, I think you should go and
how they play against the Chiefs tackles which have just
really struggled. Rookie Josh Simmons is going to be a
really good tackle in the league. He just isn't quite
(32:16):
ready for prime time yet. He will be, but he's
just not there yet. And Juwan Taylor has struggled. So
I really curious see how Jacksonville plays shoots the biggest
game that Jacksonville's had in a long time, and it's
on National TV. The Al Trebor Lawrence goes against Magnola's defense.
You want National TV. It's gonna be a fun game
to watch tonight.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Awesome stuff. As always, man, well enjoy watching football. I
know it's a totally different experience for you, but uh,
I just I cannot thank you enough for joining us
on a weekly basis. We'll talk to you next week,
so good Thanks.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Doug.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
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Chargers and last year the Raiders.
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Speaker 1 (33:00):
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Speaker 7 (33:08):
This is game time.
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Speaker 7 (33:37):
The game today is big deal, little deal, no deal.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
Big deal, A little deal of no deal that there
are no more unbeaten teams in the NFL after five
weeks of the season, Uh, big deal.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Usually it drags into week twelve or thirteen? Right? What
was the former? Reminded dolphin who he passed away? Right?
He was on the seventy two team Mercury Morris, Mercury Morris.
May we talk about teams are in my neighbor in
my neighborhood but you know where we live. He came
out of the house and nobody even got into the neighborhood.
Speaker 6 (34:09):
This year, not even close. And it's been with the
seventeen game schedule, I think that this is going to
be more than norm I remember a few years ago,
and I think this was prior to the seventeen game schedule,
where Arizona went in like seven to oh eight.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
No.
Speaker 6 (34:24):
But I mean we've seen in the first just month
of the season on how teams can change. All right,
big deal, little dealer, no deal, that there's just one
winless team in the NFL after five weeks. That would
be the Jets. Oh and five.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Winless team.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Kind of same thing, right, because there's been so much,
so much fluctuations. I'm surprised, surprised that we have The
Titans should have lost yesterday, right, they won, They were terrible,
So I'm surprised there's only one.
Speaker 6 (34:56):
All right, big deal, little dealer, no deal, the Chargers
running back of Mario and Hampton so from an ankle injurying,
Yesterday's lost to the Commanders gigantic.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Gigantic. I mean they have already lost other backs. They
have a bunch of injuries and he's been a big
time draft pick. For how they want to play. Teama
wants to run the football. You lose your book ND tackles,
and then you lose your top two running backs. That's
going to hurt.
Speaker 6 (35:17):
This is a note from college football. It came down today,
big deal, little deal or no deal that Miami in
South Carolina canceled a home and home college football series
because their leagues went to nine conference games, so there
will be no Canes and game Cocks in non conference
because of that. Is that a big deal, a little
deal or no deal.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
It's a little deal, it's a little deal. It's just
the reality of it, you know. It's I mean, if
Miami is going to play Florida every year, then that's
ten high level games. They don't need another one. It's
just the reality of it. And South Carolina's going to
play Clemson every year so that they don't need it.
Remember it's not that they want to get out of
playing a tenth Power four team. This is the eleventh
(35:56):
Power four team.
Speaker 6 (35:56):
I think you're seeing a little bit of what could
be sacrificed because of that conference game. Finally, Doug, big deal,
little deal, an old deal that Memphis Grizzlies scared John
Morant spring to his ankle and practice yesterday and is
considered week to week.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
I think it's a big deal. Only from this standpoint
does anybody consider John Morant a star anymore? And yet
if you go back three years ago before the gun stuff,
that guy was a burgeoning star. So that that's the
only place where it's a big deal. Otherwise, preseason basketball
not really that into it.
Speaker 6 (36:28):
He is injured a lot, yes, and that's game time.
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