What Is Le'Veon Bell Worth? & Greg Cosell

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Rams tomorrow night, Tomorrow afternoon here in Los Angeles. Uh,
that's the first Thursday night football game on Fox. A
lot of things going down. Still no word on whether
I Jamis Winston will be the starter for Tampa, although
with the time ticking away, it feels like Ryan Fitzpatrick

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will maintain his spot as the quarterback. We're also keep
an eye on Jimmy Butler, who you may have heard
from David Gascon in that update, is rumored to be
very close to being on his way to becoming a
member of the Miami Heat. Give my thoughts on the
Miami Heat upcoming. Clay Travis is gonna join us because

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he's got a new book out. He's gonna pitch us
on us. I do think it's funny the title of
his new book and where he went to pitch the
new book. Earlier today, Jordan Palmer is going to join
his quarterback group rule. We'll ask him about the news.
Out of college football, Kelly Bryant from Clemson is going
to transfer. Feels like Jalen Hurts is gonna transfer too
from Alabama at some point in the off season. But

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to Kelly Bryant using that new red shirt rule, because
he hasn't gotten past his fourth game, he can then
go and play next season wherever he decides to transfer.
A lot to get to. But Levian Bell has still
not reported to the Pittsburgh Steelers, which means he has

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not signed his franchise tender. Which also means that Levyan Bell,
though technically a member the Pittsburgh Steelers, could be traded,
could be traded from the Steelers. You know what's fascinating
about the Levy on Bell, the potential to move Levian Bell.
Why anyone would possibly do it? Al right, why anyone

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would possibly do it? What is levy on Bell's true value? Remember,
in order to sign him, in order to trade for him,
you gotta sign him. He's got to sign his franchise
tag and that's what he plays under this year. And
if you rework a deal, it's gonna be a long
term deal. And he wants huge money because otherwise he'd

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come across as a complete hypocrite. But who are the
teams that are interested in Levian Pell? They're not championship
caliber teams. And it shows you the true value to
a running back, you know. So what do you do?
If you're the Steelers, you have a depreciating asset that

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should be on the market at the end of the season.
You obviously don't want to do business with them outside
of the business you've already done in the business that
you're offering him. And in in sports and in business,
we always tell you are you're worth what somebody is
willing to pay you, And in many ways in sports,
you're worth what somebody's willing to trade for you. They

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can't find a trade partner, let alone somebody who's going
to give him a long term, guaranteed deal. The Jets
might be that team, but the Jets know they had
the leverage of being one of the few teams under
the cap that could use him for a long term future.
But they also got to rebuild their offensive line. So
what's really the point. It's gonna be fascinating to see

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what happens with Levan Bell. And if I am a
team that wants to win, why am I even looking
at Levan Bell? The guy with the most trade value
right now, isn't it? Ryan Fitzpatrick makes almost no money,
has shown that he can play, come up to speed
in an offense, and hey, look, hey look, the San

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Francisco forty Diners need a quarterback, which, by the way,
is why I told you that the Jets probably they
they chickened out in the game of chicken. They chickened
out on the Teddy Bridgewater deal. Bridgewater's value before the
season started, probably out of a fourth rounder. They got
a third round from New Orleans. Now a sudden, the

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San Francisco forty Niners have to decide are we gonna
punt on the season because these guys they're bringing in,
they're essentially punting on the season. Are we gonna punt
on the season or are we gonna go for it?
And they could have on for it with a Teddy Bridgewater.
The quarterback has more value. And everything you're reading, everything

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you know, everything you're sensing from the league tells you
as such. You do realize that we've changed all of
these rules to help the pass game, and now we
are practicing what was it on TV earlier today? Safe sacks?
All right, we're practice being safe sacks in the National
Football League. You realize they haven't changed any of the

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rules in regards to running the football none. Between the tackles,
handing the ball off, the tackling is exactly the same.
If anything, it's harder to be a running back because
you could be penalized for lowering your helmet and delivering
a blow. Between the rules, the value the franchise tag,

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the value of of contracts, the fact that offenses are
being built around the past and all the quarterbacks are
setting record numbers. Levian Bell is a depreciating asset as
opposed to Ryan fitz Ryan Fitzpatrick or Teddy Bridgewater. Teddy

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Bridgewater is an appreciating asset. Hadn't played a minute. I'm
guesting New Orleans could turn around flip him for a
second round pick, now why not. The Indianapolis Colts traded
a third round pick for they started last year back up.
Now they could flip that for a second round pick.

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Why couldn't they? Of course they can't. So the story
of the Levy on Bell thing is Levan Bell though
an asset and a really good one, and anyone who's like, well,
Pittsburgh doesn't need him. James Connor was awesome against Cleveland,
and the only reason that he didn't put up numbers
against Kansas City was they were behind. You really think

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they're one one in one if they have Levian Bell?
Of course not, he's really really good. I'm not disputing
that he's good and that he's important, and that he'd
be important to them, But in the grand scheme of things,
between no one willing to trade for him, the changing
of the rules, the changing of the value of having
a star quarterback, and even the teams that would engage

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in a trade and to sign him long term, those
aren't playoff caliber teams. The league is telling you what
his value is. He may think he's more than a
running back, but the fact is he is just a
running back. He's a verse the one. He might be
the best in the league when he's right, But the

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fact that he's not playing football and no one's opening
for them to him to play football in their town
tells you all you need to know. This is the
Dug Olive Show on Fox Sports Radio. Man, the Warriors
are trying to reset the narrative. That's an interesting one.
NBA camps are underway. Gordon Hayward has signed a deal
with I think a Japanese shoemaker. Japanese shoemaker. Jimmy Butler

(08:08):
possibly on the move. Kelly Bryant from Clemson is on
the move and is going to transfer. And we got
Jordan Palmer and Greg cos are gonna join us. But
coming up next, where's Levian Bell ultimately end up? Does
he play in Pittsburgh this year? Do they trade him?
What's his value? What happens in Tampa? It feels like

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Fitzpatrick starts this week, But what about the near future?
Could they trade Ryan Fitzpatrick to get more assets? Could
Teddy Bridgewater Bridgewater beyond the move again? And how are
the Chiefs going to protect against the league catching up?
To them this year like they caught up to them
last year. Oh and uh, New England gonna do anything

(08:49):
other than add Josh Gordon and hope Julian Edelman comes
back better than ever. We got a ton to get
to today. Eight seven seven nine nine one. Fox eight
seven seven nine nine is the phone number at Gottlieb Show.
Is the Twitter handle where will Levan Bell ultimately end up.
We'll catch up with CBS Sports is Jason lock canfora
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(10:39):
going on inside the nash To Football League. Fits magic
heaving his job in Tampa for now. I would be
stunned this dog. I mean everything I heard coming out
of the building last week. UM, even if Lyon's played
a poor game, it was going to be very difficult
to make that switch, given the sort of collateral he's
built up there, given the mating the lock, or given

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the way the offense was coming, and given a very
short week against the big Sandier defense and a guy
coming in who has to practice, you know, over three weeks.
You know, it would have been a lot to ask
under normal circumstance. And there's some of the bus organization.
It's felt like when the schedule came out, but the
league almost kind of you know, kicked him at the
end of that suspension with the way the schedule worked

(11:22):
with the Monday night game, but you know, it wasn't
home Monday a road which which makes it easier and
and eliminates, you know, some of the time lost. But regardless, Yeah,
I can't imagine he's making that change, you know. And
then I think they have to buy And then I
was told it would be a week to week scenario
after that. Um, But this thing is not gonna last
forever with Fitzpatrick. But I didn't get the sense that

(11:44):
anybody in that building was looking to kill it before it,
you know, died a natural dest um. Okay, So how
how long is his rope? Like I'm with you, I
think ultimately Jameis gets his job back. But after three
interceptions and losing at home, but Pittsburgh Steelers, you don't
get it back. What what does signify him getting his
job back? Well, I mean, I don't think. I don't

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know how he graded out there in eternally, but talking
to the people who watched that game and people who
looked at him a little bit of films, did it
looked like, you know, receiver broke a round awful one,
another one was selective, uh, and his second half was
was pretty was pretty sterling. And if they put the
ball back in his hands one more time or they
give him a chair from fourth down and set up funting.

(12:28):
You know, I don't know that he says the reason
they lost that game. And and with the state of
their defense, um, especially when they come up and get
better offense, there's some pretty darn good offenses in their
very divisions. You know, I think they're gonna need to
score points, and they're going to score points quickly, and
they sow the ability to do that with Fitzpatrick even

(12:49):
without a run game. So I mean, Jamis will end
up starting more games than Fitzpatrick. I can't imagine he
tells it. This isn't gonna be, you know, a reverse
at Prescott Tony Romo. But you know, I think it's
going to take a poor outing from Fitzpatrick or you know,
a regression which is going again it's going to happen

(13:10):
for them to turn it over, and then once they do,
it's not gonna be like, oh, well, you know, we're
breathing down Jamie's next. They're gonna give Jamis every opportunity
to show he's somebody on the field and off worthy.
You're paying real quarterback money too, But again, he's going
to have to show that. Jason lochm Flora joining us
in the Doug Galtlic Show on Fox Sports Radio. People

(13:30):
are being very vocal about the about the roughing the
passer rules. What are you hearing from inside NFL circles
about adjustments that officials are gonna make. Um, I don't
think we're going to see any overt tangible changes, Doug.
They're whether to the idea of protecting these players at

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you know, basically all costs and keeping the as many
quarterbacks as possible upright and extall what the injuries did
to the league last year in the quality of play
and everything else. So, um, I don't think we're going
to see a confidence call next week and then all
of a sudden they change a bunch of rules or
they come out and say, we're just gonna interpret this differently. Now,

(14:12):
will there be some stubble messages sent internally to certain
officiating crews that wouldn't shock me? But I don't think
we're in for a sidement change. And there's a hope,
you know Park Avenue that Look, the more the sample
size grows, the less this is going to stand out.
And look, the helmet thing is what everybody was freaking

(14:32):
out about, and now nobody's even talking about it. So
fingers crossed, you know, fingers crossed, squint real hard. Maybe
by week seven, you know this isn't an Achilles feel either.
Jason Lockhamphora joining us in the doug Otlip Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Circling back to Tampa, Niners lose Jimmy Garoppolo.
How come they haven't reached out either to Tampa or

(14:53):
even in New Orleans about Teddy Bridgewater. I mean, I
think look at last year, even when they got Garofolo,
how long he sat right each Kyle's running some intricate
stuff and they want to make sure a guy is
uber ready before they do anything. And I mean, at

(15:15):
what point, you know, do you stop. I don't want
to say throwing money down a pit, but like, let's
be real now, right, they lost their running back, they
lost their quarterback. There's going to be more injuries. Unfortunately,
that's the nature of the Beast. And as much as
there was a lot of hype about this team, I
don't know that this team internally thought they were winning
a Super Bowl this year. So I think at some

(15:36):
point you kind of live to fight another day. You
protect those future assets that you think can really help you.
And they drafted c J besthon for a reason. And
I heard a lot of Kirk Cousins coming out of
that building even before they drafted c J about Besson.
And we saw what Kyle did with Cousins, right, he
made more dat money anybody in the history of the game.

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And nobody saw that coming when he was a fourth
round pick. So I say, there, they're feeling is and
it's fact I know they're feeling is. Okay, let's see
what we have here. If we can cultivate this and
he makes twelve thirteen starts and he looks the part.
Then maybe we found the perfect backup system guy which
has an eight value and quarterbacks makes as much as
they do. Or there's not gonna be five quarterbacks in

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the first round next year. There's not gonna be three.
You know, three playoff quarterbacks aren't gonna be traded or
dumped by their role team. There's not gonna be that carousel.
And if this this kid might be, you know, it
might be him and Tyrod Taylor and not a whole
lot else. So maybe we get more for him than
we thought we could. So I expect them to go
that route. Doug Glip Show, Fox Sports Radio, that's the

(16:39):
voice of Jason lock Camphora. You mentioned Kirk Cousins. The
Minnesota Vikings with an absolute dud at home to the
Buffalo Bills. Short week, they turn around, they're already in
l A. They played tomorrow night, first Thursday night game
on Fox, and they're taking a Rams team. It's not
gonna have their starting corners here, and it's it seems

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it would seem like a golden opportunity to right the ship.
Have they figured out what the hell went wrong against Buffalo?
I just think you know things happened. I mean, like I,
I don't. I don't know that you could explain it.
I never saw it coming, and they got destroyed. It
wasn't a fluke, it wasn't trick plays, it wasn't a
fake punt. They got their butts whipped from the first snap,

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darting near till the last. And to lose by that
marge into a team that seemed incapable of playing competitive
football against bad teams much left the super Bowl favorite.
I don't know what to make of it, and I
don't know that they've figured out what to make of it,
other than we we better shed that skin pretty quickly
and show our best sells on Thursday night. It's a
it's a weird situation. Short week. Um, you know, Rams

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in a primetime spot, which that's still somewhat new to them,
and um, it should be a decent atmosphere for that game.
And the Rams don't have any corners and the Vikings
don't have any offensive lineman. And I don't know, I'm
interested to see how all that plays out in the wash.
I don't. I don't. I'd be lying if I said
I have a great steeling about the team, and if
you look at my picks against the spread, you should
do the opposite of whatever I say. Um the last

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couple of weeks. But it's an intriguing matchup. And my
hunch is as much as we think of these two
teams as defensive teams, that because of the state of
play and the short week and all the injuries, I
wonder if it's a little more back and forth than
you might normally expect. Say, if these two teams are
at full strength and they meet in the playoffs, where

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are we with Lean Bell? I don't ever see him
playing for the Steelers again. I think that ship is sailed.
And um, they're not not hurried to trade him because
he's he can't get hurt when he's not playing, at least,
you know, he can't get football related injuries, and they're
not paying him anything. So you know, we talked about
injuries this time of year as much as anything, and
sadly at the League of Attrition, and you know there's

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gonna be more good teams that lose their running back
and they've gotten until after Week Gate to trade them.
And you know there's been teams nibbling and they expect
that to increase over time. So I don't see a
scenario where the Roody family feels comfortable bringing him back
into that locker room, paying him what the franchise tag
requires them to pay, and then keeping the fingers crossed

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that he stays healthy. You know that that there there
isn't that he doesn't He hasn't done anything down there
in South Beast that comes back to fight him, and
and then just the potential of disrupting that locker room.
I don't see him back there. How did it go
so bad? How did he go from franchise tag offer
him an extension to all of a sudden he's persona
non grata and we don't even want him for however

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long he's he wants to come back. Well, I mean
they look. I think if Mike Tomlin's anything, he's he's
a player's coach, almost to a fault. And when you
had players and multiple players and heart and soul offensive
lineman coming out and ripping the guy publicly, that's that's
highly highly highly unusual in any professional sport. I can't

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remember ever happening in the NFL, can you know? I don't.
I don't recall anything close to it. And where basically
the whole offensive line stood up and said, bleep, this
guy he lied to us. He told us he was
coming back. You know, his now his agents running around
on every medium network doing a promotional tour. You know,
this is this is Bologney, this is publicity stuff. So
when that happened, and then you have more terminal on

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top of it, and he's tweeting out pictures on the
Monday when everybody's in there getting rehab right and they're
beat up from the day before, and he's on the
boat and he's tweeting that out. And management keeps going
to ownership saying, hey, you know, I know that we're
old school and we don't want to reward his behavior,
and I get all that, but we don't even know
that he'd be good for us right now on just
an emotional level. Eventually, you know, the ownership over the

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week then said okay, when people call, you don't have
to tell him that he heat that we're not training
him anymore. You could tell him, you know, hey, we're
open to it at the right Prince, And that was
the sort of the momentum shift, and it was it was,
you know, the rip the players ripping him, and then
a week later what he put on social media and
the timing of when he put a stop on so
from media. It just rubbed people there the wrong way

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to the point where they're like, we're better off without
them than with him. The Patriots, um, no one wants
to call them dead right, No one wants to say
it's over, like, well, we've been here before, but it
has not looked good. Even the wind against the Texans,
like there are one wins against a winless team, it
wasn't terribly impressive. I know it's only September. I know

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they don't have Julian Edelman and Josh Gordon wasn't up
to speed. But there's just seems to be a lot
of issues, mostly just issues of talent surrounding Tom Brady
and Rob gronkowskiin talent on the defensive side. Can it
be fixed? I still think so, because ultimately I think
if if there's one thing that's to find their dynasty,

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it's that sometimes it's better to be smart than to
be good. And Belichick hasn't got any dumber, and mc
daniels hasn't gotten any dumber, and Brady hasn't gotten any dummer.
And I think that they're all their shape shifters, and
they're not stuck in their way, and they're always willing
to reinvent themselves. And I think this is the biggest
challenge they faced yet. But I can't remember a few
years back when Gronk went down early in the year

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and they were like one in three or having a
slow start, and Brady didn't have anybody to throw the
ball to. Um, you know, and then they end up
just throwing like fifty passes the running back every week,
like it's not easy, and your margins are slim, and
and you know what they look at their last two
Super Bowl lasters, it wasn't exactly um murderers row. You know,
they've they've lacked for they haven't had natural pest rushers

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since they traded Chandler Jones. Um, you know the skill stuff.
I mean, look at Tom Brady. Is the ten guys
who caught the most balls for him? Ben Watson still
on that list, And how long has he been going?
You know what I mean? Kevin Falkus still on that list.
How long has he been going? He hasn't had a
whole lot around him. And it's Edelman stays healthy. That's

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huge because what he does in the slot rocks not
beating anybody with any sort of speed or range anymore.
It's just about catch radius and then rumbling through people
after the catch. And if you have to pay a
little less attention to him, that's gonna be enough, I
think to at least get him back in the game plan,
um and make him viable on Sundays. So we'll see. UM.

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I still can't write them off. I probably wouldn't write
him off either, but man, it has not has not
looked good. How safe is Bill O'Bryan. I mean he's
safe now. I mean they just handed him the entire
building that you know, he basically kicked the GM he
won you know, the long war down there where Rick
Smith and he got a big extension. UM. So I

(23:35):
don't see them doing anything right away. But I also
don't see them beating the Colts this week. And you
start getting oh five oh six crazy things happened in
this league, And I guess the one mitigating factor is
it's not like this is a guy at the end
of his career who you know, like a Rex Ryant,
where he okay, he's just gonna go to the booth,

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and you're gonna be paying this guy a lot of
money for a long time. This guy is young, He's
gonna want to win. They don't have college, you know,
opportunities if not pro so they'll be big offset. It's
not like you're going to pay him all that money
to leave. So I don't think it gets to the
point where they fire him in season, but major questions
if this continues. I think about who leads the showing

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Watson into the future and what their brain trust looks
like in if this, If they continue, you know, losing
three out of every four games or whatever it turns
out to be this year, Earl Thomas ends up in Atlanta,
in Kansas City, or they just ride it out in Seattle.
I mean, I think he gets traded. I thought all
along he gets traded. Um it could be a team

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that hasn't suffered that safety injury just yet. Um. You know,
I don't know that Dallas stays stays viable enough in
the standings that they actually take that salary on. I
think that they may be so bad that even Jerry
Jones can't truly Um, the fact that we're in Earl
Thomas away from you know, going somewhere in the postseason.
You know Kansas City's apost ability I think, I mean,

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Pittsburgh has been sniffing around on them forever. They never
thought they could fit them in their pay structure. But
you know what, if you trade the running back to
those guys, all of a sudden, you've got the cap
space and the cash. So you know, that would make
a lot of sense as well, given the state of
Pittsburgh's past defense. Jason Lockham for reda stuff at CBS
sports dot com, fallum on Twitter, and watch him on
CBS Sports. Jason incredible insight. Thanks so much for joining

(25:24):
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so confused by the multiple updates in my years. It's
all right. I've had buyer, that's all good. That's all right. Door,
don't buy what he got. A lot of people would

(25:45):
rather have Dave than me here at the chair. Feelers
are am I in your feelings? No? No, And I
didn't say if I would have said you would have
rather had Dave in this chair, I would have said
you would rather, But I was just you know the
others like, you know, let's get Dan out of there.
He's an idiot, especially when he makes bad fantasy picks

(26:05):
like I sometimes do Sunday mornings. Anyway, I can tell
you this, if you have Leshawn McCoy and your fantasy team,
that's good news. Doug. That's because he's likely to return
from his rib injury and play against the Packers in
Week four. Leonard four na see what he said about
the new um the new roughing rule. No, I did not,
he said, hold on, Shade McCoy, I love the new
roughing rule. Rough in the past rule. Everyone makes a

(26:28):
big deal, but I think it's gonna keep the game safe,
especially on offense. You know you don't play quarterback. Yeah,
right right. Maybe David Gascon heard what Lashawn McCoy said.
You know, no, no, no, I'm good. I'm good. Jaguars
running back Leonard Fournette practice today. He's missed the last
two games with a strain hamstring. Bengals wide receiver A J.
Green is a growing injury. Bengal said coach Marvin Lewis,

(26:50):
though optimistic Green will play against the Falcons on Sunday.
Patriots placed running back Rex Burkhead on injured reserve because
of a neck injury. Raiders did the same with kicker
Mike Knu and the Rams just did so with corner
a keep to leave, who's gonna have surgery tomorrow on
his high angles eight weeks so he's eligible to return.

(27:10):
But if it's eight weeks to h to come back
from it used to be where you had to you
would just be missing the whole season, But now you
could return after eight weeks, So they're not gonna have
him for two months. They go to Seattle next and
to Denver. They have three road gamester, this is a
tough stretch here for the Rams. Rams. You touched the
Niners aren't very good. Yeah, that's true. Thursday tomorrow is

(27:32):
going to be such a dandy though. Uh, it's gonna
be a good one. Clemson quarterback Kelly Bryant, you touched
them this on the top, transferring from the school just
days after being benched in favor of freshman Trevor Lawrence.
Brian a senior taking advantage of the n C double
a redshirt rule that allows him to transfer to another
school and be eligible to play next season because he
played in just four games this season. So interesting situation.

(27:54):
Did you guys hear do you guys hear Dabbo when
he was asked about it, and he goes, good thing.
God isn't a coach. God has no depth chart. I
read some of his comments, but I did that one.
But first team, like, I actually think God has it,
you know, especially you're a strong Christian like you know,
I gotta tell you that Christians believe it. God Head
does have a depth chart. Christians on first team, everybody

(28:18):
else second team. Some guys make, some guys don't make
the team. Is you know this this Bryant transferring and
know there's people on one side and some on another.
I am on the the side. Doug of the NFL
will find you. Do you think he needs to to
play another year to have an NFL future? And would
that make a difference? Because I I just think like quarterbacks,

(28:42):
but another year could could could help him, I think
more than anything. Like, Look, he sat there behind Deshaun
Watson for two years. You wanted to be the guy.
Now he got a chance to be the guy last
year and he got him to a college football playoff.
He played poorly in the Sugar Bowl. But um, I
think this is just about you know, your senior year,
you want to play. Here's the hard part that no

(29:04):
one talks about. No one talks about in these graduate
senior transfers. Um, and this is. I didn't get to
this in the All Ball podcast. I haven't gotten this
on Twitter, but this is it's a really big thing
that that doesn't get discussed. When you play somewhere that
becomes your your sport family. Right now, I played a

(29:26):
year Notre Dame. I'm still very good friends with Fran McCaffrey,
who recruited me, Pat Garrity, who was my closest friend there,
and Ryan Hoover. Those are two of my closest friends,
two starters, one was a senior, one sophomore when I
was there, and a couple of other guys I'm still
sort of friendly with. I have been back to Notre Dame.
I have a letterman jacket. I don't consider myself a domer.
I have a great uh. I have a great admiration

(29:47):
for the school. I think it's a great place. It
just wasn't my which wasn't my place, wasn't great fit
for me personally. I spent three years Okahoma State, and
that is, in fact my basketball family. Everything that I
hold near and dear about my college experience really comes
from my time at Oklahoma State. Those are my closest friends,
my closest allies, my and during my junior year, I

(30:10):
was in the doghouse and I was thinking about transferring again.
And had I had had the rules been as they
are now, I would have graduated the end of my
junior year or in the summer after my junior and
transferred for my senior year and played somewhere else and
just gone somewhere to be a guy, the guy. You know.
The problem with that is like where's your alma mater,

(30:30):
where's your place? There's no real place to go back to.
Everyone says like, hey, I wanted and maybe Jalen hurts
because he won a national championship as a starting quarterback
as a freshman, maybe you could always go back to Alabama.
The truth is he's not going back to Alabama. He won't.
Wherever he goes next that will be his spot. But
you're only there for like a year, like you didn't
go through part of the part of the great part

(30:53):
of colleges. You go through the freshman year when you
don't play as much as you want and you're not
necessarily comfortable. In sophomore year and junior year you feel like, Okay,
now I got a junior you feel like you owned
the school. Senior you're like, Okay, I'm just here until
I get to go and and and go out totally
on my own. Everybody gets senioritis, and I think you
lose that. I think you lose any sort of camaraderie

(31:13):
with the school. So, uh, going back to what Dan
had to say, do I think he needs it? Yeah,
I mean if you want to make the NFL, he's
gonna have to show he's a much better passer and
he'll get a chance. They'll be playing teams that will
go like, hey, we're graduating our quarterback. You know, Oregan
is gonna lose Justin Herbert, the kid who's gonna be
the first pick probably in the NFL draft. If they

(31:34):
don't have one. They probably have highly touted quarterbacks on staff,
but they need a guy who's already played can come
up to speed really quickly. Jalen Hurts will be available,
He'll be There'll be a couple of others that are available,
and if you want to play, it's a hard decision.
Do I want to play and maybe not win anything,
you know, transfer down to level I mean? Or do

(31:56):
I want to sit and watch somebody else win? Now,
in Brian's defense, he's already watched Deshaun Watson win, so
they don't need to do that again. In Clemson's defense, hey,
just because they're making a move and it feels permanent
doesn't mean it is permanent, because quarterbacks are always a

(32:16):
play away, especially in college where you don't have the
protection you have in the NFL. So I think it's
very interesting. But I do completely understand the mentality of
you know what, I want to go play? In college,
guys asked me all the time, where should I go?
Where should I go? Go somewhere? You're gonna play because
you're though most guys. And here here's another thing that

(32:40):
people don't understand. A high percentage of guys that do
play aren't happy, right man, I don't get the ball enough, man,
we don't throw it enough. Man. Like, imagine the percentage
of guys that are happy that don't play. Oh so
I get the ghost somewhere you're going to play. I

(33:00):
just there is a downside to it, And one of
the downsides to it is you become a man without
a home. You don't call a place that you spent
nine six nine months at home when you're done, You
just don't. And then the place that you graduated from
in Clemson that's not home because you bailed on that
before the senior year was up. Jamis Winston believes he

(33:22):
deserves to be He deserves to get a starting quarterback
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Your job is to tackle the quarterback. What is it

(33:44):
like to try and do your job the way the
NFL has officiated so far through weeks in the season.
So just talk about the call that there have been,
the flagrancy of the calls that have been have been happening.
And now you add in, you know, you add in
things like Clay Matthews being called broke from past it
three times in three weeks, really in two weeks because

(34:05):
he got two calls in one game, um, and then
the last one where he had a clean shot on
the quarterback. I don't know how you're supposed to hit
a quarterback if you're coming downhill the way he was. Um,
I mean he kept his head out of it. I
mean so then then you also bring in the what
is the Willie Hayes accident? Now you know he was
trying to do trying to lay off the quarterback and
ends up hurting himself and he's out for a season. Yeah,

(34:27):
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Kelly Bryant decision to transfer. We'll talk about that upcoming
in the show. Jordan Palmer by our guest next hour's

(35:10):
quarterback guru. First, y'll let's get to a game. Okay,
this is game time. Side on the Doug Gottlieb Show,
Dan Byer, what's the game today? The game today, Doug
is real news fake news? Alright, real news are fake news, Doug.

(35:33):
On the eve of the Ryder Cup, US captain Jim
Furis says, you'll see new friends Tiger Woods and Phil
Mickelson team up Friday or Saturday in one of the matches.
That's musty TV. Remember when they are a friend of me?
Is now they're friends? Right? Um? That real news are
fake news. That seems like fake news. Though I did
not see them paired together. Yes, that is correct. Furi

(35:56):
said it's probably not too likely he'd pair the two
four years after their disastrous pairing at the two thousand
four Ryder Cup one and two in the world then,
and uh didn't win a point. I didn't win a point.
Real news or fake news Doug. Buccaneers quarterback Jamis Winston
told reporters he never expected to have his starting job back,

(36:18):
or he never expected not having a starting job back
after returning from suspension, so he expected to have a
starting job back. Is that real news or fake news?
I was so confused by your first two Yeah, I
used to double negative that David Gascon wouldn't have done that.
But on the other hand, always yes, Oh it's not

(36:38):
just regular negative. I am doubly are fake it is
it is. Winston said all the right things today, including
quote this is what I expected. Obviously, it's a tough
situation to say, but it's a win win situation. Baby,
here balling hard, winning. The community is behind us. I'm happy.
Everyone is happy. You as are happy as long as

(37:01):
we happy. Good end quote from Jamis Winston. So he's
taking the high road. He has taken the high road,
and I thought his answers were His answers were great.
The issues with Jamis has never been his answers at
at a podium, right, It's been these these actions or
the accusations off the football field and then on the

(37:22):
field of times and big games in the NFL. I
personally think you should start him. I've said this all along.
I think ultimately history for you on my side, like, well,
eventually they started with eventually the startable one to start him. Now,
what are you waiting for anyway? Getting a football shape?
And Jamis on fits magic and I'm excited as a
whole as a team. We're playing very good and like

(37:43):
I said, man, I'm happy to be back in the
building and we just gotta keep it up there it is.
So there's Jamis Winston. All right, two for two, Doug,
let's go for three for three. Real news are fake news.
Jimmy Garoppolo's former girlfriend isn't too mad about the A
C O or or jeez, I can't even speak today.
Jimmy Garoppolos former girlfriend is very mad, is very mad

(38:05):
about the A C L injury suffered by her former boyfriend.
I'm just gonna give this to you anyway, because I
messed it up. Then Starch is a different one. Is
the girlfriend mad or not? Let's just put it that way.
They're real and they're spectacular. Actually, she's uh she tweeted
out karma, so I guess she kind of is the girlfriend. Yes,

(38:25):
the ex girlfriend. She's happy that he got injured, tweeting
out on Instagram or sending a post on Instagram if
you will karma. A couple of hours afterwards, he had
dated this girl named Alexandra King in February. They were
spotted at Disneyland other places. But then when he was
asked if he had a girlfriend, he didn't say he
had one. Then he moved on to that porn star

(38:47):
and Alexandra King was off in the distance. Now she's
getting her revenge, saying karma when it comes to Jimmy
GE's knee injury. Yeah, she sounds like a winner. That sounds.
She sounds healthy. She sounds like she's handling the break
up well, shreds his knees, professional career hanging in the balance. Karma,

(39:07):
she sounds. She sounds adjusted. Reports out of Real News
are fake news. Doug reports out of New York say
the Mets are hesitant to use David Wright in any
game against the Braves because they don't want to mess
with the integrity of the game as Atlanta is still
playing for home field advantage. They're real and they're spectacle.
That right was activated off the sixty d d L yesterday.

(39:28):
Mets are in a series with the Braves, but the
Mets just don't want to use him because they feel that, Yeah,
I would mess with the integrity. He's gonna play Saturday
in his final game against the Marlins, who are out
of playoff contention. Got it, got it? We listen, We're
gonna say the Dog and Pony show for the dog
and Pony Show, not for the Atlanta Braves. By the way,
the Cardinals now out of the out of the lead

(39:50):
for that second n L wild card spot as they
lost last night, and the Rockies continue to win, Yes,
and the Brewers closing in on those Cubs. Brewers can
clinch a playoff spot tonight at least half game back
of the Cubs. In the Central Real news are fake news.
Reds pitcher Matt Harvey said a return to the Mets
next season is not out of the questions since they
were the team where he started his big league career.
Who's that, Matt Harvey? Real news are fake news. Harvey

(40:15):
told reporters today he would sign with any team this
offseason except one the Mets. Yes, that implying the New
York Mets. Of course. He was traded by the Mets
to the Reds in May. Uh had an e r
A in the mid four's but said he'd go back
to Cincinnati because they they wanted him there. But I
returned to the Mets, not likely. Don't worry. I don't

(40:35):
think the Mets want him back either. I mean, there's
a guy that had had New York by the by
the underpinnings, and he gave it all the way because
dude like the party too much, eat too much. And
even though he wanted the ball Game seven of the
World Series, he could not. He is his egoes right
and checks his body couldn't cast him like, yeah, that's

(40:58):
something else couldn't cash. Real is a fake news? Last one,
John Ramos had to turn down tickets to a media
screening of the new movie Night School last night because
his daughter was sick. That sounds like real news. She
she could be seriously ill. And John's not turning down
tickets to Night School. He went last night, get a sitter,

(41:22):
get a nanny, God show, No kid is too sick?
How old is? How is the movie? John? It was
it was okay. Oh that does not sound good, John.
John is a never negative guy. He's a doubly positive guy.
So John's saying it's okay means it was awful. What
what grade would you give night school? Oh? Okay, but

(41:46):
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(42:09):
player's right. But is it right? We discussed next with
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(42:39):
here's the thing about college sports. I know that a
lot of us I want to believe that it's professional sports,
but it's not. I want to believe people want to
believe it's a job, but it's not. I know, we
want to believe that players have this this, this value
that they're bringing but they don't. It doesn't mean that

(42:59):
it's not an incredible experience. And there are some aspects
to it which are aspects like a job, but it's
not a job, right, can't just be fired. You can't
the steps they have to go through to fire you.
You know, there's no union fighting. But you have way
better benefits than you could. You don't have to pay
taxes on it, Like there's you know, you're not really

(43:23):
qualified for the job that you have to begin with anyway,
so um, you know, there's limitations on on the hours
that you can put in. It's not really a job,
you're not really a professional. But there are there are
decisions you have to make that adults have to make,
Like when you sign a letter of intent, which you

(43:44):
don't actually have to sign. You don't have to sign
a letter of intent. You can sign scholarship papers. You
sign a letter of intent and says I intend to
go to this school, and then if you decide I
don't want to go to that school, you gotta sit
for a year. And they're like whoa, whoa, whoa wait
a second, changed his mind, Like, yeah, I know, But
as an adult, if you make a decision, you know

(44:04):
if you buy a house, once you check all the
boxes right, once you hit you you get your insurance,
once you get your funding. You know you may you won't.
You won't have to buy the house, but you you
can lose your deposit and definitely your down payment at
some point, depending on when those contingencies you're met. Contracts

(44:26):
do matter. Then you go fast forward and you take
a kid like Kelly Bryant who played for Clemson last year,
led them to the College Football Playoff, played poorly in
the Sugar Bowl, and just got benched for a freshman
Trevor Lawrence, who's a budding superstar. And because this new rule,
Kelly Bryant can not play the rest of this year,
red shirt graduate on time transfer and play right away.

(44:50):
It's within his right, but is that the right thing
to do? Let's welcome in Clay Travis, who has his
own show out kicked the coverage, also the author of
a new book, Republicans Buy Sneakers. To the Left is
ruining sports with politics. He joins us on the Doug
Gottlieb Show. What do you think about Kelly Bryant deciding
to take his talents elsewhere? Good for him? Look I mean,

(45:10):
the rules exist as they are written, and if he
believes that Trevor Lawrence is not going to give him
the starting job back, rather than play eight final games
in the regular seven season and whatever might happen after that,
why not go back out, go to a new coaching staff,
find somebody that that believes that you can be a

(45:31):
star for them in a one year graduate transfer scenario,
and do it now. I will say this, I either
graduate transfer idea in general is fantastic in theory other
than like Russell Wilson, almost no one who transfers is
actually that good because if you were that good to
begin with the school, your ad wouldn't let you leave, right.

(45:53):
So I mean this idea that somehow you're gonna get
a first round draft pick who suddenly graduate transfers into
your program, it's an illusion that a lot of fan
bases want to buy into because it's a long off
season and you're like, oh, maybe Malique's a year is
going to be a stud for us. That's like Florida
Gator fans were saying last year, maybe Jeremiah was solely
is gonna come to Old miss and he's gonna be
the one thing we need to win a national championship.

(46:14):
That's what Old Miss people were saying, not saying regular transfers.
Because regular transfers. You can have a Cam Newton situation
where a guy gets kicked out of school and he's
an incredible talent, but he has to work his way
back transfer, Yes, but act actual graduate transfers who were
going for one year because they're deciding to leave. It's rare,

(46:34):
and it typically requires something like what happened at NC
State with Russell Wilson, which is look, the guy who
was backing him up, Mike Glennon was pretty good, so
he ended up in NFL quarterback too. And how often
is the case that there are multiple NFL starting quarterbacks
because Glennon started a lot of games on the same team.
It doesn't happen that often. Yeah, Joe Burrow is a

(46:54):
guy who who right now starting at starting an l
s U. Of course, transferred from Ohio State. I think
it's I think it's gonna be fascinating, saying I think
this new rule and what happens to a jail and
hurts you know two there here's two guys that lead
their teams to college ball playoffs and ultimately get beat
out by more talented throwers. I don't think anybody would
argue that there, that the guys who replace them are

(47:14):
more talented, though both younger and and what do you?
What do you do? The one thing I do think
people are missing on is you invest this much time
into being a Clemson guy. You're forever tied to Clemson,
and you do lose that connection when you leave. You do,
I've transferred. I don't consider myself a domer, a Notre

(47:35):
Dame guy. Now there's a bunch of other but I
can tell you other guys that have transferred place you
never the first place you played, or if some of
these guys in basketball you played three places, the first
two places you played and then the third place. You're
only there for you know, six to nine months. There's
no real tie there. You lose that connection with the university,
which is the true value of the whole thing. Right,
Like everybody thinks, Hey, if if Kelly Bryant was gonna

(47:58):
be an NFL quarterback, he's still with the quarterback and
clem he's not, right, So the most valuable thing he
can do is stay at Clemson, stay tied to that
Clemson name, and for the rest of his career, he'll
be a guy that started for Clemson, was a backup
maybe on two national championship teams. I think his thought
process might also be different if they hadn't already won
a national championship. Maybe I'm wrong, Maybe he still would

(48:21):
want to transfer, But the fact that they have already
won a championship, I don't know that he's like, Hey,
I've been a backup on one championship team already. Do
I really need to be a backup on another national
title team? I agree, it's a it's a it's a
really really hard thing. I'm not I'm not saying this
is an easy decision. I do think that that some
of it is going with the emotion of and the

(48:42):
immediacy of oh I can play, Oh I'm gone, and
everybody says good for you, And then you start to think, like,
all right, what about ten years from now. Ten years
from now, if I start one year at I don't know,
pick the school at LSU next year, Um, is that
going to be worth? Yeah? I get that gonna be
worth not really having a home. Yeah. Doing this because

(49:03):
he thinks that he is going to have an NFL career. Yeah,
I don't think there's any other reason why this would
make sense. So I don't know who's advising him, and
certainly in the quarterback positions, there are a lot of
differing opinions. I haven't, to be fair, heard that many
people saying, Hey, this Kelly Bryant. I think he's a
first day draft pick or even a second day draft picks.
So we'll see. But I don't begrudge him for using

(49:25):
the rules as best he can. Republicans buy Sneakers to
how the left is ruining sports with politics? Is the
left really ruining sports? So there are several things. I've
got the book sitting right in front of me. I
finally got a copy. I wanted the title, the publisher
wanted the subtitle. So Republicans by Sneakers Too is what
I refer to it. I think that the far left

(49:49):
in sports has decided to politicize everything, and so I
think it happens to be good that there are elements
of life where you can escape the serious things in life.
If go watch the latest Spider Man movie, I don't
want Spiderman to come out before the movie starts taking
knee and tell me that you know abortion is murder
because I'm like, dude, I just came in here with

(50:10):
my kids to watch you, you know, catch bad guys
and shoot spider webs. I don't really care about your
personal life now. I think, certainly the actors who play
in a movie have the right to express their own
personal opinions outside of that role. But I think it's
a bad precedent to set the idea that in a
uniform at work you should be able to protest. So
I think we have bought into this idea, and I think, frankly,

(50:32):
my arguments are starting to win. The day I mean,
Bob Iger came out the CEO of Disney and said,
you know what, I think we got to two wrapped
up in the cultural and political associational value of sports
instead of just being like, hey, let's talk about what
Kelly Bryan decided to do. Uh. And you know, the
typical ESPN response would have been like, can you believe
this white coach picked a white quarterback to replace the

(50:54):
black quarterback? Like That's the way that ESPN would talk
about a story like this in several of the years past. Right.
I would also, I would also I would counter to
say this that I don't think it's just the left.
I mean, I think the right has played an equal
part in in the politicizing uh different you know, different
parts of sports. You know, well, for example, just the

(51:15):
national anthem as well. I think that that's a business
decision though. Right if they told you right now on
Fox Sports Radio, hey Doug, instead of playing your bumper music,
if you came back with the national anthem, your ratings
would go up and your overall revenue for your your
brand would increase. You're a businessman, You're the same as me.
You'd be like, all right, we're playing the national anthem
from now and every time we come back from the

(51:35):
bumper music. So I understand people who make decisions would
benefit the business side. Yeah, okay, I mean that's that,
that's that's being a that's being hypocrite. But um, I
don't think I don't think it's being hypocritical at all. Look,
doing something simply because because you can make money of it,
even if you don't believe in it. Well, when in
the business world, you sell to everybody. Right, the NFL,

(51:59):
to their credit, the a they became the biggest brand
in all of sports was they wrapped themselves in Americana.
They wanted to be mom American pie football the military.
That was a strategic decision to a why themselves with
with the military. You think, do you think that's really
why the NFL want. I think Paul Tagliaboo, if you
study Paul Tagliaboo, he actually said that. He said, look,

(52:21):
I understood, but that's not but that's I mean. It
happened because we bet on it, because of fantasy football,
because it was it was frankly because of Eric Shanks,
aar boss who came back from Italy and watching uh
watching soccer over there where they had like a red
zone channel, and they created the Red Zone channel. All
that it became the best show on TV during a

(52:42):
set time to which we could all watch it. It
didn't really have to do. Nobody tuned in to see
the flag and to see Americana and see the military. Baseball, Baseball,
baseball had all that. Baseball has always been traditional and
having the right values. In baseball's popularity, he has has
died nationally in comparison big maybe maybe a little bit,
but if you look at baseball, the business has never

(53:03):
been stronger. But that's there. There's if we want to
study baseball's business. It's because they have the best streaming
stuff that, by the way, is Disney, you know, just
purchased or whatever that they've been able to stream and
make money off of that for years plus um in
you know, regionally it's incredibly popular, but nationally, whether it's

(53:24):
radio or TV, can't talk about it, can't put it
on TV. It's a it's a it's color bars get
a better number until the playoffs actually start. Like, look,
football is popular because it was the easiest to bet on,
the easiest to watch, and and and it's you know,
it was all in big cities, and then you had
your group personalities that were big in the flyover states
that were Americana, like a Peyton Manning or like a

(53:46):
Tom Brady you know, you know, or like a J. J.
Watt Uh, good looking mainstream guys that we could sell
as Americana. But let's not act like because they played
the American flag and saluted the troops. Baseball does all
that same stuff and their popularities lane after stress. I
also would push back on the idea that that is
a political side, right. I don't think that the national

(54:07):
anthem typically is a political side. I mean, I think
it's like, you know, on a military base, you raise
and lower the flag. I think everybody has to have
the same reaction to it on a military base. So
but it's good for business. I mean, I've never I
mean in my book, I talked about it. Look the
reason why the NFL wanted to do the national anthem
and everything else because it's good for business. And I
don't begrudge any business making a decision that is good

(54:29):
for itself. Uh. You know, sometimes they miscalculate, but that's
ultimately the goal of capitalism. Markets end up being right,
and if you make enough right decisions, then you know
there's a huge market that you can sell to. And
I think the NFL, for many years, did a great
job of broadening its scope as best it possibly could.
The last thing, I know, you gotta go for your
TV show. Uh. The NBA has kind of gone the

(54:51):
opposite way of the NFL. Right. They have allowed their
players to speak vociferously about their own uh political sta
And though the NBA's numbers pale in comparison to that
of the NFL, they are seen as on the rise
and the NFL's are seen as falling. Doesn't doesn't that
run counter to the narrative of your book. No, I

(55:13):
don't think so, because the n F the NBA talks
to a tiny fraction of the population. The most watched
NBA game of all time is Michael Jordan's with the
Game six against the Utah Jazz when he pushed back
against Brian Russell and drained that jumper. Every game since
then has had fewer viewers for the NBA by millions
of viewers, even though there are now fifty million more

(55:35):
people living in America today than there were when Michael
Jordan drained that jumper twenty years ago. So the NBA
is speaking to a niche of the population. Every single
big NFL game every week out draws the NBA Finals,
the Super Bowl and the NBA, NFL and a f
C Championship games. The NFC and a f C Championship

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games dwarf every game that ever exists for the NBA.
So the NBA has got a profitable niche. It's a
tiny figment of the overall brand and value that's associated
with the NFL. And also it's a different segment of
the population than the NFL is. The NFL is basically
a snapshot of America. They appeal to everyone across the

(56:18):
political spectrum. The NBA is a much more left leaning brand,
but I will say this, the NBA's national anthem policy
is actually much more strict and much more Derconian than
the NFL's, which is a fascinating little angle that most
people don't talk about stuff. The new book is called
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My bets on the show are not as good as
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on everything. And you know, like everybody, I think, if
they're being honest, like I would bet you're much better

(57:01):
at breaking down college basketball than you are at the NFL. Right,
Like everybody who's in our business is better at knowing
some things about a certain sport. And I'm best about
college football when it comes to gambling when it comes
to gambling on Major League Baseball. So that means I
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(57:25):
don't know what Furman has one week one and week
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Go Go do it. Thanks so much for joining us.
Hey appreciate it. My man. That's ah, that's that's Clay
Travis good look back and forth there on his on
his new book. Yeah, I do think the idea that

(57:46):
that football became popular because it was Americana, Like, dude,
nothing's more Americana than baseball. Now, do I think he's
accurate in I don't know if if the left is
ruining sports but but using sports to open up a
political discussion. Yeah, I do think that wears people out
because you come come to this show to listen about

(58:08):
sports or about stuff more so than you you know
where you can go if you want to listen to politics.
Can Josh Allen maintain what we saw against the Vikings.
We'll ask the man who trained him. Quarterback guru. Jordan
Palmer joins us next. Be sure to catch live editions
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to have on because um China remember correctly how it

(58:53):
how it worked with him in college? Uh. Jordan Palmer
joins the show on The Doug Gotlip Show. You can
check out his QB summit on Twitter and Instagram at
to be Summit. Did you go to you tap right
in high school? I did? Yeah, I moved from South
Orange County to El Paso, Texas. It's gonna talk about change, yeah,

(59:13):
well slightly slightly different. Um do you ever do you
ever sneak out to Warez overnight? Do how many? How
many trips to Warrez? Did you make my first year
three or four nights a week, my second year two
or three nights a week, and then you kind of
grew out of it. Um, But it was I've never
even heard of anybody having an issue, So now you,

(59:34):
I mean, you can't even stare at the border for
more than thirty seconds without something happening. So there was
different times when I was there. Really it's it's it's
it is that bad or is that just that just
has stories like urban legend, urban legend guys, So was there?
Everybody went there all the time, and it wasn't that,
I mean, it was the market. Hang on, that's the
Gulf over there now out there that there's not a

(59:55):
single student athlete at you type who's been to Waters
in the last three years. It's not one. Jordan Palmer
joining us on the Doug Gottlip Show on Fox Sports Radio,
I'm one of your thoughts in the Kelly Bryant situation,
and and frankly Jalen Hurts as well. So there's new
ruined college football. As you know, you play four games
and still red short. Both these guys are gonna graduate
this year. Kelly Bryant got beat out and he's like, look,

(01:00:17):
I'm out, I'm out, And because it's only four games in,
he'll be able to play next year. I understand it
because he sat and watched Shaun Watson. But he did
get a chance to start last year and he got
beat out by guy who everybody thinks is probably better
than him and probably at the end of the season,
gives them a better chance to win a national championship. Um,
I'm torn, Like, do you leave? Because if you leave,

(01:00:39):
you might get a chance to play, but not win
a national championship. And and then you also you don't
really have a home anymore, right, there's no Clemson is
not really your school, and going somewhere for half a
year is not really your school either. What are your
thoughts on what Kelly Bryant decided to do well when
it comes to guys who who worked really hard in
school to put themselves in a position to graduate so

(01:01:00):
that if something happens they can transfer. I'm all for that.
I think you've gotta protect yourself. You know, Thesese universities
do a fantastic job of protecting themselves financially and everything. Um,
but I'm not a fan of the mid season thing. Um.
I think there's so much stuff that happens in your
football career, whether you stopped playing an eighth vide high school,

(01:01:20):
college or the NFL, that um is kind of a
roadmap for what's going to happen to you the rest
of your life. There's so many just metaphors and examples
and the adversity and success and some stuff you go
through as a quarterback then the stuff that you're ever
drawn for the rest of your life. And so I
think quitting on a team and leaving halfway through the season, um,
While it may feel like a sound decision for him

(01:01:42):
right now, personally, I just think it's it's just a bad,
you know, path to go down. Not to mention, I
don't know if I haven't hear anybody there when I
haven't Discrivered Lawrence Good this weekend. Yeah that was I
said that earlier. Yeah, what happens, you get just you
always they tell you as a backup quote, I always
stay ready, and who knows, I may come back around

(01:02:02):
to you anyway. Yes, this is the office because because
this is not a name that a lot of people know,
but Hunter Johnson is a quarterback out of Indianapolis who
was one of the top recruits in the country. He
was also in that three way competition this year at Clemson.
Now he they GABO told him, hey, you're not the
one or the two. You're not competing for the starting job.
So he went ahead and transferred, and he's sitting out.

(01:02:22):
I believe he's going to Northwestern. That's different, right, That's hey,
that's I'm not one and I'm not too and I'm
the same age as some of these guys. So I
need to go do its best for myself. If you're
talking about leaving four games in, I just think it's
a bad presidence to set um. It's gonna be hard
to spend that in a positive way. And teams may
open him, welcome him with open arms, who you know,
wherever Kelly's gonna end up going, but they're also gonna

(01:02:45):
keep that keep him at arms length and understands this
is a guy who's will absolutely turn on us, you know,
and and and choose himself over the team at any point,
and so that they're gonna take him with a grain
of salt. And I just think it's a bad path
to go down as a young man. Great stuff, Jordan
Palmer are joining us in The Doug Show on Fox
Sports Radio. How surprised were you at Josh Allen's brilliance

(01:03:05):
during his play in Minnesota last week? Well, I this
thing it goes to show you is particularly early in
the NFL season, anybody can beat anybody, um, you know
other THI Josh Allen fan. I think he's the main
I did not pretict that guy, which I certainly didn't
call that game. Um. But with that being said, you know,
it just shows you that you know, you you create

(01:03:25):
two turnovers early and your offense gets momentum, um, anything
can happen. And I think it was so good for
Jock to have a game like that because it's gonna
be very easy for everybody go to pile on these
rookies who when they don't have success as if it's
their fault they're playing right. And so when you have
somebody with the talent that Josh has and the upside

(01:03:46):
that Josh has, um, you know, with the first game,
getting who comes in at halftime they've been blown out.
The second game was ugly for him to go on
the road that play is playing that coordinator. I think
Mike Zimber is one of the absolute best UM really
good past us, incredibly loud environment. I mean this kid,
he didn't play in this She didn't play the strong
of a hundred tousand put in Wyoming. Right, They're big

(01:04:08):
games were like Nevada. You know, they did get stomped
at Iowa last year, but yes, I did I take
what they did. But but but still Iowa and Minnesota
dome not comfortable and so and so for johnsh to
go in there and handle that um and block everything
out and play the play ups to his potential is awesome.
And so you know, same thing I'm telling Sam right

(01:04:28):
now too. It's now it's just about stacking them. You're
kind of doing two things as a young quarterback. You're
if things are going well, you're trying to maintain momentum.
And if things aren't going well, you're learning, really early
in your career how to put things behind you and
start over again on Monday. And so they're both and
they're gonna both, all of them. You know, Frozen Banker
always said they're all gonna get your first two years

(01:04:49):
in the league. That's really what it is. If things
are going well, how do you keep momentum? If things aren't,
how do you move on and uh and so it's
great that Sam and Josh have both had a taste
of that. Now Baker, you know, had a bunch of
success on Thursday Night second half. Great if he ends
up land an egg in Oakland, how does he put
it past them? If he ends up rolling over Oakland?
How do you keep the momentum? How different is it

(01:05:10):
for Baker now that the Raiders have time to prepare
for him. I don't know. I think with Baker, as
much as made around preparing for these guys, I only
think that's relevant if somebody has a unique trade, somebody's
really fast, or has an amazing pocket mobility, it has
the strongest arm ever, you know. Basically, I think it's

(01:05:30):
just really good in a lot of categories. That that
the place where Baker is exceptional is as confident and
just the being a gamer and so that you can't
prepare for right somebody who's gonna run around and make
it happen. Um. But with these young quarterbacks, you know,
if I'm playing a young quarterback, I know, hey, these
guys aren't gonna read it out like a veteran, So
how do I keep them in the pocket and make

(01:05:51):
him read it out, how do I prohibit them from
getting outside the pocket and doing what they did in
high school, college and and their whole lives, which is
run around and make and you know, make a a
So Baker was stand with all these guys. I think
that even the quarters trying to keep them in the pocket. Um.
If you if you remember back when Tebow beat um
uh be Pittsburgh and then and it was a huge deal,

(01:06:12):
right that that overtime or whatever it was, the last
play the game. And then he went to New England
and they smelled him. Um, all I do notice what
all New England did was built a wall on the
left side and said, don't let him roll it was left.
So they told me Incovic and these guys do not
sack him. You're not allowed to have any sex. He
do not let him roll left. And so he took
this guy who loves to roll left and they literally

(01:06:33):
built a wall over there and they forced him to
stay in the pocket and they beat him. And so
I think that's the recipe for a lot of young quarterbacks. Um.
But Sam Josh Baker, and I think Rosen, even though
he's only played a minute or two, he's the guy
who can do this as well. These guys can actually
get through their progressions pretty quickly. And uh, and so
I think you kind of got to treat them like veterans.

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I think you gotta prepare for Baker Mayfield the same
way you prepare for for somebody who's been playing a while,
said Jordan Palmer, quarterback guru. Check out the Quarterback Semit
on Twitter and Instagram at QB seventy. Joins us in
the Doug Gotlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Um,
I've been a little disappointed with Deshaun Watson. I know
the overall team hasn't been great. Now, the numbers were
much better this past week against the Giants, But how

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much of it is rust, how much of it is offense,
how much of it is DeShawn just not performing like
he wants to. Yeah, I think it's a little bit
of everything. Um, but regardless of playing quarterback, and they're
they're not protecting the quarterback very well. Um. You know,
they the old line was their weakness this whole entire offseason,
and and it certainly looked that way the first week

(01:07:37):
and then they lost their right tackle and so they're
in a really tough spot from a protection standpoint. Um,
But but that's not that's not the whole story. And
I think that, um, you know, Deshaun has has had
some throws and I know he wants back and some
reads that he wants back. Um, So I think there's
an opportunity for him to take a step um the
guys around him because he's having some drops. He's having
some guys uh having a tough time getting off off

(01:07:58):
of man coverage. Okay, I think the blames is kind
of around around there. Also on the defensive side of
the ball. I mean, I know that they've had some
some big plays, but they haven't been that dominant Houston
defense workout they should be on paper. And so I
just think the Texas as a whole, Um, they're they're
waiting to Colleck. And what happens a lot of times
was rookies when they come in and they light it up.

(01:08:20):
You know, you know Bakers in this situation right now, Sam,
after Week one, it creates a ton of momentum and
everybody feeds off that energy. And last year for Houston,
that's what it was. Shaun came in, started bawling, everybody,
everyone was bringing the playing their their A game. And
I think that team that's not a team who's dealt
with expectations before the Patriots in the off season, they're

(01:08:41):
really good at handling expectations because every single year they
have high expectations and everybody thinks they're gonna win it. Uh,
this is new for Houston, so for this offseason for
everyone to feel themselves and stuff about them. There's still
a lot of young players there, and uh, I think
there's just this is a team that at some point,
I just I'm watching the game, going is it gonna
be this half? Is it gonna be this quarter? When

(01:09:01):
are they going to just click? Um? And so I
think in this next week or two, we're gonna see
Houston get back on board um and then go ahead
and start rolling. But the differences is that an FC South,
that's I mean, that's across the board. That's actually one
of the best divisions. UM. And so this is not
this is not a shoe in. I mean, Houston was
winning this for years without a quarterback. Uh. And now

(01:09:22):
it's gonna be a struggle to to really win the
that division, no question. Jordan Palmer joining us in the
Doug Gotlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio speaking of
that division, Blake Boardles two weeks ago against New England
lights up last week not so much. I'm still kind
of lacking that consistency, isn't he? Yeah? I think so.
Um it was the team that the recipe is, don't

(01:09:43):
let other people score, run the ball, make some big
plays in the passing game, and let Blake go ahead
and uh and if it comes down close, let him
figure it out in the end. When that's the recipe, um,
and you're not clicking in the air on offense, then
you're gonna have a game where you lose nine, six
or whatever. And so I think those those are gonna happen,
you know, every four or five, six, seven weeks. Uh.

(01:10:06):
And if that, and if I'm right, then they're thirteen
and three and they're going to be potentially the number
one or number two stuon in the FC. So I
don't think it's any cause for panic anywhere. And he
was an off day offensively for them. One thing I
know about Blake Bortles is he doesn't care. And he's
already onto the next week and he's totally fine with
everybody ripping him and saying stuff about him. The guy

(01:10:26):
could care less, which is why he's great, which is
why he's made a lot of money, and which is
why one of these years is gonna wins Super Bowl.
Well this, uh, it's it should be in one of
these couple of years. Onuch. Interesting thing is they haven't
had the greatest wide receiving corps even when they lit
up the Patriots, and that was probably when he played
played his but didn't have his running back, didn't have
his number one and number two wide receiver, and that
was when he played his best football. Jordan's last thing.

(01:10:49):
We got a chance to see Oregon play and um, look,
you talk to people, and you know in NFL, people
into like, man, uh, they got quarterback that everybody thinks,
everybody thinks will be the I guess the top prospect.
He is, Herbert the top prospect in college football right
now at the quarterback position. Um, it's early for me

(01:11:13):
to have an opinion on drink where because a lot
of it depends on who's gonna go, who's gonna who's
gonna start. Um, this is this is a quiet, really
good quarterback class. I think Herbert is a stud. I
could see him staring. That's not any personal information. I
just I could see him going, you know what, this
kid grew up a die hard. You grew up in
Union's a die hard Ducks fan. If they lose three
names this year, this is the type of kid who's

(01:11:34):
gonna want to come back. I'm trying to win a championship. UM.
Drew Lock at Missouri, Jared stid Him at Auburn. Um.
These are guys Daniel Jones's and now he's on the radar,
but he was off the radar, Daniel Jones from Duke.
There's some quarterbacks coming out this year that are that
are in a in a have a chance to come
out this year. UM, And I don't know that there's
gonna be a big drop off from last year's guys

(01:11:55):
in terms of their talent level. UM. Now, none of
those guys maybe when they now championship for a Heisman
or have a type of year that that Baker had.
But in terms of the guys that are gonna be
at the top of the draft that will be ready
to play, UM, I think there's a couple of really
good quarterbacks this year. Great stuff that from Jordan Palmer
Fall on Instagram and Twitter at QB Summit. Jordan, thanks

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so much for catching up with this. Thank you Jordan
Palmer joining us. Let's quickly get you to Dan buy
or find out what's going on the world sports. Dan.
When you got you guys talking quarterbacks? Will hear from
a quarterback right now? Is Jamis Winston is back for
the Buccaneers some point things being back in the building.
You know, yesterday it was kind of off day, you know.
I got here about five thirties, so I didn't see
a bunch of Snana faces coming in, you know. But

(01:12:37):
today everybody came back energetic and it felt like home.
So I'm excited to be back. Winston back from his
three game suspension. Buccaneers are two and one with Ryan
Fitzpatrick because they're starting quarterback. It was yesterday that Dirt
Cutter told reporters that he had told both Winston and
Fitzpantrick who's gonna start Week four against the Bears. That decision,
though has not been made public, still hasn't again. Bucks
and Bears coming up this Sunday, Thursday Night Football Tomorrow

(01:12:59):
night on Box Rams home to the Vikings. Rams won't
have corner at keep to leave. He's gonna have surgery
tomorrow on his high ankle sprain is. The Rams placed
him on injured reserve today. The Patriots placed running back
Rex Burkehead on i ARE because of a neck injury. Well,
the Raiders are placing kicker Mike Nugent on injured reserve,
who missed the next eight weeks because of a hip injury.
Jaguars running back Leonard four Nette practice today. He's missed

(01:13:21):
the last two games with a straight and hamstring. College
football news clumps and quarterback Kelly Bryant transferring from the
school just days after being benched in favor of freshman
Trevor Lawrence. New York Times reported today that Jimmy Butler
is still the Timberwolves front office that he prefers to
be traded to the Heat. Timberwolves said coach Tom Thibodeau
told CBS Sports that they plan to honor Butler's trade request. However,

(01:13:42):
wouldn't say to what team he would go to, saying
that they'll honorate, but they have to look out for
their best interest. Doug Thanks, Dan Hall of Famer, is
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Fox Sports Radio. Um, speaking of quarterbacks, that's as always,
we just had Jordan Palmron. You just heard that from

(01:15:29):
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(01:15:52):
say here's Rod Woodson, Hall of Fame cornerback and return man,
former Raiders assistant coach, with his thoughts on a car.
We talked about franchise quarterbacks right all the time. There's
only a handful of franchise quarterbacks in this league, all right.
You got you got Tom Brady, got Aaron Rodgers, Philip rovers,
You've got Breeze alright, and you got Ben. That's the

(01:16:14):
franchise quarterbacks could be my homes over in the Kansas
City if he keeps it up. Who knows, you know,
everybody was talking about, you know, Jimmy g gets hurt.
But there's only a handful of guys who can take
in a franchise quarterback. To me, it's not because the
guy who shoots up for you he's your quarterback. That's
not a frantise quarterback. A franchise quarterback is a quarterback
who can take your team to the next level consistently.

(01:16:36):
And that's what we haven't seen right now from Derek.
And I don't think he's wrong. I think part of
what happened last year with the Raiders were a mess.
Last year. There was a first time play caller who
had a kind of a zone blocking scheme and you
had a mammoth offensive line that that's not what you
don't run his own blocking scheme. Of the mammoth offensive line,

(01:16:56):
you have to have young, You have to have u lighter,
more versatile, uh more athletic lineman to run it. So
that was a bad fit. But you also had a
portion of the Raiders players and coaching staff who didn't
believe in Derek Carr. Derek Carr got that huge contract
and didn't believe that Derek Carr was a franchise caliber quarterback,

(01:17:18):
and most of those guys are gone. Gruden came in,
got rid of all, didn't get rid of Marshawn Lynch,
who I think isn't in love with Derek Carr, but doesn't.
Just because those guys may not have handled it well
and just because of offensive lineman doesn't mean they're wrong
about Derek Carr. If you look at the Raiders having
to lead all three games, leading going into the fourth

(01:17:40):
quarter of the last two games and what ultimately did
them in quarterback plays a huge part of it. Sure
they don't have a pass rush, but the reason that
they had to part ways with one of the best
pass rushers in the NFL was they already had a
quarterback under contract for huge money. Now, I don't think
Derek Carr's franchise quarterback, but I think the franchise can win.

(01:18:03):
Neither is Blake Portles, but you can win Blake Portals.
You know, Nita is Kirk Cousins or neither is Alex Smith,
but you can win a lot of games. And if
he can be slightly better than those guys, which for
the most part through his career he has been, there's
no there's no reason that the Raiders can't get back
to being a consistent competitor for the playoffs. So I

(01:18:26):
guess the summation is that um Rod Woodson's not wrong.
I don't view him in the Breeze and the Rogers
and the Brady or maybe even Rivers category. But I
think this is part of what's kind of undercutting his
and Gruden's authority is there's a lack of buying from
a lot of the Raiders. Even if it's realistic, even

(01:18:48):
if he's not a top five, top ten guy, he's
pretty good, and although he has to get better, it's
really hard to even find what he has to offer.
Now here's Chris Carter Nick right discussing Drew Brees. Drew Brees, though,
is playing at a level that I haven't seen many
quarterbacks play yet. He's so accurate with the football, him

(01:19:09):
and Sean Payton being in sync, and um, the Kamara
Michael Thomas combination coming out of the backfield throwing the
ball down the field. I believe it's a special combination
and the NFL is going to have to get used
to them and try to take them out of the
game that they're gonna have success against the Saints. Breeze
is having the best start to a season he's ever had,

(01:19:30):
and this is one of the greatest quarterbacks ever we're
talking about. Yeah, look, I think the Breeze thing. Look,
they played three games, all three games in a dome.
Even when they play in New York this week, you're
playing good weather New York September, New York. They don't
have potential bad weather until they play in Baltimore in
three weeks. But the Bengals on the road play they

(01:19:53):
play the Buccaneers, the Panthers on the road. That's it.
And think about this for for New Orleans, a team
built to play on turf. For the quarterback built to
play in domes. They play three play the vikings in
the road. That's four they play. Obviously, you start out
with eight games, right, eight games at home. Those are
all on the dome of their road games. Falcons always

(01:20:16):
won vikings too, Cowboys three, so they play eleven of
their sixteen games inside. So it shouldn't surprise you that
Drew Brees is off to a great start. The issue
with Drew Brees has been when he's under arrest and
when he's playing outdoors. But what's amazing about Drew Brees

(01:20:38):
has been from the moment that he got hurt and
he was on his way out of the San Diego
with Santigo Chargers when he tore up his shoulder and
Philip Rivers ultimately replaced him his arm. In many ways,
it's gotten stronger. And you go back to three years
ago and people thought he was done. Clearly he's not done.
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Awards Radio. All right, so let's

(01:21:05):
just do a quick kind of recap on baseball. Just it. Look,
it's you gotta follow on the day by day. Do
you realize what tonight could be? Ramos any guess what
tonight could be? Or today could be it's ongoing right now.
Uh jeez, is it the Astros game? Last game for
Bryce Harper at home in a National's uniform. He got

(01:21:27):
to the park put on his uniform three hours early.
When asked why he was out in his uniform three
hours or, He's like, look, could be the last time
I put on this home uni. I want to soak
it up. What is? What is? What is Bryce Harper
gonna be worth? He's hitting two forty nine. He is
on BaseT nine percent of the time. His wars one

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point to last year four point seven four years ago
is nine point nine thirty four home runs. He's also
also leads the league in walks in one He's also
has a career high in strikeouts. He's become classic two ballplayer.
A lot of strikeouts, a lot of walks, a lot
of home runs. He's good and he's only twenty five

(01:22:15):
years old. But if somebody really gonna give him four
hundred million dollars and three hundred million dollars, like that's
one of those well you know that's what the going
rate is. Like, Okay, tell me how that works out
as a good thing. It just doesn't. It just really

(01:22:36):
doesn't and I think, um, I don't think it has
anything to do with him bidding Ado because the home
run derby. If I'm offering Bryce Harper contract, I do
short term. Hey dude, we'll give you thirty for a year.
We might even give you a fifty five for two,

(01:22:58):
and then you can go back out in the market.
You're still in your prime. But there's no way you
give him three four dollars. What's Levy on Bellworth? We'll
find out next In the Doug Gotlip Show. Fox Sports
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s R to listen live. What uf Doug Gottlieb Show
Fox Sports Radio Do Do Do do? We are twenty
seven hours away, twenty seven hours away for seven and
a half from the Rams and the Vikings at the
Coliseum Thursday night football on Big Fox TV. Ramos You excited, Yes,

(01:23:45):
gonna be a good game, Yes, but five twenty at
the Colosseum a little early seems like a terrible idea.
It's not a good not a good time for Los Angeles.
I don't think Okay, So if you've never been to
Los Angeles, I know everybody thinks the track fig is
always bad in Los Angeles, and generally they're right. Most
big cities, it's pretty bad. And to be completely candid

(01:24:06):
with you, UM, l A no different. L A does
have a subway system, does have a have a rail
system as well. I've I've seen people on it. I
don't know anybody who uses it. Seems quite clean, quite useful.
Um And I actually think they have a real system
that goes from downtown to the Colosseum till right near
the Colosseum. I actually used it. How is it? It

(01:24:28):
was fun? Yeah, I took the gold can I just
say gold Line to the Red Line which was underground.
It came up to they think that another line that
dropped off right by the Colosseum, and it was great.
How how long would it take you to drive from
your house to the Colosseum? From my house to Closseum
probably with no traffic, no traffic, maybe fifteen minutes is

(01:24:51):
it okay? And then when traffic could take an hour? Okay?
And so how long did the gold line take? Gold
Line to the Red line? That's not bad it's not back,
you don't and you don't have to park, and we
hopped back on it when the game was over and
took it right back. You were drunk anyway, so I
mean there was no d u I for you. That
was that was the easy part actually. So anyway, there

(01:25:13):
are other ways to get to get to the coliseum,
and um, it is freeway close, although the freeway that's
close to is the one ten, which bisects south central
Los Angeles, and you know, you go up a couple
more exits and that's when you're in downtown and you've
got Staples Center. Downtown has become a place where people live.

(01:25:35):
It used to be skid row when I was a kid.
Now it's a really expensive place to live. But it's
just it's a that's a tough time spot. I've always said,
like Thursday night games, Monday night games should not be
The Charger shouldn't get them. The Raiders shouldn't get them,
the Ram shouldn't get them, the Seahawks shouldn't get them.
The Niners shouldn't Niners, especially because the Niners the difference

(01:25:57):
of the reason, so bet the Niner Stadium isn't near anything.
It's in Santa Clarita. It's close to San Jose, but
not right in San Jose. And if you're from San Francisco,
like you're really gonna go at that time of day,
an hour away, forty five minutes of no traffic, like nothing.
But it's it is. It's Fox's first Thursday night football game.

(01:26:18):
It is the Rams. The Rams are really good. The
Vikings on paper are really good. They're bad that week,
and so it's once a year, all right. I don't
know what the place will look like at kickoff. It
might be half full. It's going to be beautiful, going
to be I mean in terms of the weather. I mean,
we're it's always nice in Los Angeles, but these next
two days really really nice. I have told you now,

(01:26:41):
my my thought coming into the game a week ago
was the Vikings will be coming off a blowout and
the Rams are coming off a war. And that's why
you take the Vikings now. I when I said Vikings blowout,
I didn't know that the Vikings would be blown out
by the Bills. I thought it would be the other
way around. And the Vikings have suffered, sustained their own

(01:27:04):
injuries and their own offensive line. I still like the
Vikings against The number which opened at seven is now
down to six and a half because the Rams are
without their top two cornerbacks, Marcus Peters and keep to
leave to offseason acquisitions. But we're a now or a
day away and day and change away. Um. We still

(01:27:24):
don't know what to make of Levy on Bell, what
his value is, but it does seem like the Pittsburgh
Steelers are in the process of trying to find a
home for him. Here's Jason la Camphora. He's CBS NFL
insider on on the running back spurg has been sniffing
around on them forever. They never thought they could fit

(01:27:46):
them in their pay structure. But you know what, you
trade the running back to those dives all of a sudden,
you cut the cap space in the cash. What if
Earl Thomas, who's a mal content, becomes a mal content
for the Pittsburgh Steelers, and Levian Bell, who is the
mout content, becomes the out content for the Seattle Seahawks.

(01:28:07):
Actually think Chris Carson is a pretty good player. He's
he was injured a bunch in college. That's why he
didn't start much at Oklahoma State um so I don't
know if that price is too high and Atlanta losing
both of their safeties and the fact that dan Quinn
came from Seattle back when the Legion of Boom was
formed seems too obvious to me. The levy On Bell,

(01:28:29):
blocking forward told us his play his last game as
Pittsburgh Steeler. However he's handled this thing has irritated people
to the point which like, we're better off without him,
and they're on the clock. They got four more weeks
to figure out a home for him, And I don't know,
because you need two things in order to sign Levian Bell.

(01:28:50):
You need first to trade for him, but then you
need the cap space to absorb not just the salary
this year, but the salary in the coming years. The
salary in the coming years. You can find ways that
creatively move it. But he's supposed to make franchise tag
numbers this year. Whatever that is pro rated by the
time you get him Tilly in a year, you better

(01:29:12):
have that cast space you want to do so in
the NFL, your value is not just based upon what
you're paid, what somebody's willing to trade for you, And
think about what the league is doing. The league is saying, hey,
quarterbacks are the most valuable. That that's what all of
this roughing the pastor stuff is about. Quarterbacks are more valuable.

(01:29:32):
They are invaluable in fact, and the Steelers inability to
find a home for levy On does not bode well
for his long term contract future. Yes, Ryan Music isn't.
Part of the issue with this also is in order
to pay levy On, because part of what they're saying
is he won't really agree to whatever trade the Steelers

(01:29:55):
are looking at unless that other team is willing to
sign him to a long term deal, because in order
to trade him, he has to sign the franchise tag.
So but in order for that to happen, isn't aren't
they looking for a team that has a quarterback on
a either discount deal or a rookie deal. Otherwise you're
paying top dollar for a running back and a quarterback,

(01:30:18):
And from what you've said in the past about Khalil
Mack and where the Raiders were at, it doesn't really
make sense to pay that much money for both of
those positions. Like we saw, the Ramps have done it
because they're not paying Jared Goffiet, so they were able
to pay huge money for Todd Gurley, and same thing
for the Cardinals. The Cardinals gave that extension to David Johnson.
Granted they're paying I think twenty million or something to

(01:30:41):
Sam Bradford for just this year, but now we know
that Josh Rosen is going to be their starter going forward.
So it's like there aren't a lot of options out
there that actually even makes sense for Levy on Bell
to get traded to. I mean, it's a problem. You
have a position of declining return, you have a guy

(01:31:02):
who wants to reset the running back market, You have
a limited number of teams that need him or or
want to sign him or can sign him long term,
and then they also have to trade for something of
value in return. Like all of those things are you know,
what you would call problematic? So um, yeah, I think

(01:31:23):
it's an issue. Hey, we'll get back to football in
a second. Greg co Sell is gonna join this from
NFL Films. See what he's saying. Seen from specifically the
Dallas Cowboys, who a lot of people are crushing on
tape over the simplicity and lack of execution within their offense.
But I heard Steve Kerr say something at Media Days
and it really made me think that the Warriors are

(01:31:45):
trying to kind of reset their narrative. Take a listen,
we are playing with some house money, our place, uh,
and the history of the league is pretty secure. I
don't think our guys should feel a ton of pressure,
you know. I think they should feel the importance trying
to do it again because you know, this may be
the last time we have this current iteration of the

(01:32:06):
Warriors just giving all the free agents and the money
crunch and everything else, so we don't we don't know
what's gonna happen, So why not just go go all
out and enjoy every step of the way. It's interesting,
right like it was. That was a tomorrow is never
promised type type of statement from him. There's two ways
to take it. One he thinks Durant or Clay or

(01:32:29):
Draymond were all three will be gone at the end
of this year. Or and what maybe this is in
addition to or in lieu of that, that he believes
that you got to reset the narrative. You gotta make
it fun, you know, just just play for today and
not think about anything, because that's what held this team
back was they were thinking too much last year, just

(01:32:52):
thinking altogether way too much and um, that's fast. It's
fascinating to me because something was amiss with the team,
Like we still haven't heard details of why it wasn't
fun for them last year, but it wasn't fun for
them last year, and he's trying to make it enjoyable.

(01:33:13):
But also he seems to be resigned to the fact
that they may not they may not do it again
next year. Boy, there seems to be a lot of
smoke in the Kevin Durant We'll go elsewhere when doesn't
it seem more obvious that Clay Thompson would come back
to l a right, Clay whose dad's been in a

(01:33:34):
Laker broadcaster, Clay who lives in the off season in
Los Angeles. You know they need more shooting. He's close
with with Luke Walton. Yeah, and it sounds like he's
just trying to tell everybody, Hey, things are gonna go.
We've already cemented ourselves in history, But what have they
cemented themselves? They only did, but what have they cemented

(01:33:58):
themselves in history? Most wins I guess by a team
in the NBA Hittory, but they didn't win a championship there, right,
but then they want two NBA tattles. Well, he's been there,
so maybe that's what he means. But he definitely is
trying to ease the pain of things that might happen
in the next season. Yeah, I guess. I guess, still
not totally convinced that he that there cemented their legacy.

(01:34:23):
They've won three and four years, they haven't repeated. If
they three peat, they put themselves right there with the
Lakers are last repeated, put themselves ahead of the Heat
and frankly ahead of the Lakers because they have three
and four years. But I don't understand what their legacy
is cemented as. And I like the Warriors and I
think they're good, and I think they're gonna be their
favorites to win it again. I think the Celtics are

(01:34:45):
more competitive than anybody's letting on. But I don't know
all about this they are. That feels like trying to
change the narrative. Can the Cowboys fix their offensive issues?
Is a personnel or play design? Is their quarter back?
We'll ask Great co Sell, he joins us. Next, be
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(01:35:28):
He does an incredible job with NFL films, breaking down
and and making it easy for those of us who
don't know what we're looking at and only watching on
Sundays what we should know about, what what really takes
place between the lines Thursday's Sundays and Mondays in the
National Football Like he joins us on the Doug Gotlip
Show on Fox Sports Radio. Hey, let's let's start with

(01:35:50):
the Cowboys. I've seen others at the NFL network. Brian
Baldinger point out on his breakdowns the simplicity and lack
of execution from the Dallas Boys. When you see the
Cowboys struggle again offensively, what do you see? Well? I
think there's a number of factors. As you know, Doug,
there always are. Um. I think that they're passing game

(01:36:14):
is somewhat limited. I think that Prescott at this point
where he is now, he's not a very comfortable player
in the pocket. I think there's too much unnecessary movement.
There are times he creates his own pressure and loses
the opportunity to make throws. I think he's not a
very patient player right now, and rightly or wrongly, he's

(01:36:36):
anticipating a pressure and when you anticipate pressure, it's very
difficult to h to make throws. Uh, and then when
throws are there, his accuracy is is erratic. So uh,
you know, he's he's never been a true anticipatory thrower.
He's never been a turn at loose thrower. He needs
to see it clearly before he delivers the football. And

(01:36:59):
with the receivers they have in the structure of their offense,
those opportunities are not there right now. Yes, it's kind
of kind of kind of messy. Doug Otle Show here
on Fox Sports Radio. Bacon Mayfield was inserted just before
the half because the concussion to Tyrod Taylor. He's going
to get the start now, and uh, that'll be for
for the long term, not just for the short term.

(01:37:21):
And the Raiders are like Look, we didn't mean the seeming.
The Jets said, hey, we didn't have a book on him,
but you don't have a book on him to know
I have to have book on No. He's he is
an anticipatory thrower, right. He does for a young guy.
He does process what he's seeing very well, very well,
doesn't he. I would say that, Uh, there's no hesitation
to him as far as that's concerned. He showed that

(01:37:41):
in college. Uh, he's he's a quick decision maker. He
has a snap, compact delivery with a lot of velocity
on short intermediate throws. And what I like about him.
And it's funny, we were just talking about Dak Prescott
in his third year and this could be in a
quarterbacks d n A doc is not a turn a
loose guy. Mayfield is. And there was a throw late

(01:38:04):
in that game on the winning team touchdown drive that
went to Landry down to about the five yard line
or so, and he stuck it behind and inside the
linebacker and in front of the safety. And that was
great anticipation, precise ball placement. He's willing to turn it
loose and that's a positive trade for an NFL quarterback.
That's the voice of Greg co SUF NFL films. He

(01:38:26):
joins us in the doug Otlip Show here on Fox
Sports Radio. Um, the Dolphins are three and oh, how
much of this is Adam Gayson? How much of this
is their often maligned quarterback Ryan Tanniel Well, I think
it's a combination. You know, keep keep things in mind
when when you call certain plays, particularly plays where the
throw has to go deeper. I'm not talking about necessarily,

(01:38:48):
you know, a sixty yard pass, but will you call
whether it's a deeper intermediate route or a vertical shot
play concept, and you hit those, your offense will look
very good. That happened week one against Tennessee. They called
a shot play to Kenny Stills and Tannehill laid it
out beautifully. Stills had gotten behind Malcolm Butler. Last week
a beautiful play call again to Kenny Stills. This time

(01:39:10):
he was in the inside slot to the three wide
receiver side, and he ran kind of a deep corner
route and and Tannehill just it was a thirty ended
up being a thirty four yard touchdown. You couldn't have
handed it to Stills any better than Tannehill through it.
So when you called these plays and they do get
executed and the quarterback makes a great throw. You you

(01:39:30):
score touchdowns, you score points, and it really looks like
your offense is clicking and that your offensive coordinator is
really calling great plays. What's the matter with the Raiders
in the fourth quarter? Well, why does their offense go
so flat? I mean that's a hard question. I mean,
look the car through the interception in the end zone.
They were marching to score, and that was a very

(01:39:52):
odd play. First of all, I think there was a
problem with the with the route concept because two receivers
were right next to one another, Cooper and Brian. We're
much too close together on their vertical routes. If you
look at that play on tape as I did, Brian
from the outside ran his route as if he was
not part of the play and Card threw it to him,
and so he was not really prepared for the throw.

(01:40:13):
So things like that are always, you know, there's people
always want to sexy overwriting reason. Sometimes it's something as
simple as that great go seal. John Us in the
Doug Gotlips show here on Fox Sports Radio, I'm watching
I'm watching the Atlanta Falcons, and there's been much made
of Matt ryan struggles in the red zone in the past. Now,

(01:40:35):
they did lose to the Saints, but he threw five
touchdowns known or sessions. What are the adjustments that they've
made for Matt Ryan. Well, again, it's another thing where
if you go back over the last two weeks where
they've been good in the red zone both weeks. Sometimes
it's a functional receiver winning I remember two weeks ago
they had really lined up against the corner for the Panthers,

(01:40:57):
the rookie corner from l s U and really ran
a great route and was open immediately and Ryan hit
him and it was it was a pitch and catch
kind of throw because he was wide open beating the corner.
So um, this week they had a five yard touchdown
to Tevin Coleman. It was a beautifully designed three man
route concept to the short side of the field with

(01:41:19):
what we call a double rub. They're essentially picks, but
they were executed so well that they were not penalties.
So play design winning, one on one, play design, quick
timing throws, all these things lead to red zone execution.
They've been doing that better the last two weeks, right
becausell joining us on the Doug Gotlicks show here on
Fox Sports Radio. Um, I've I've watched the rams and

(01:41:42):
and golf has been outstanding good. But but a big
reason seems to be his offensive line has really given
him space. Now the charges on the charges without Bosa,
but whatever the charges, they couldn't get pressure on him. Um,
is golf really this good or is it a product
of you give any good quote back time and give
him good wide receivers, a good route concepts and he's

(01:42:03):
gonna throw that ball round. Well, what you just said,
particularly the last part about the route concept that's not
as easy. It seems easy, But Sean McVeigh maybe as
good as there is in the league in designing route
concepts and combinations in which the primary read is going
to be available. And Goff is at his core a
rhythm player. He's a very natural thrower. He's a rhythm player.

(01:42:26):
Now this year he's become a little more off schedule,
which is good. He's showing the ability to make some
of those plays. But it's a really good mix of
coach and quarterback. The design of that offense is really
really good. How fixable are the Patriots problems? Uh, you know,
it's funny. I've gotten asked that a lot this week.

(01:42:48):
This particular game was a very specific job that Matt
Patricia did uh and and an approach he took on
defense that very few teams will take. He played with
seven defus of backs on third down. He went into
the game with the understanding that Gronkowski and James White
were the players you had to take away on third down,
and he did that with a specifically designed approach that

(01:43:11):
actually came from the Bill Belichick school of defense. Not
every team is going to do that. There may not
be another team that does that. So I'm not ready
to say their problems are long term just yet. This
is obviously a very important week for them, their home
to Miami. Miami is not a difficult defense to figure out.
Scheme wise, There's no mystery to the Dolphins defense. What

(01:43:34):
about the Chiefs? The Chiefs are setting the world on fire,
and you have about play design. They're beautiful, they got
a ton of speed, and they got a guy who
in his young career has seemingly made every right throw.
What can you forecast for is how a team like Denver,
how teams in the future are going to try and
sell them down Well, what's interesting, Doug is the Chiefs
have gotten off two starts like this under Andy Reid before.

(01:43:55):
The numbers are better from Homes than let's say they
were for Alex Smith the year ago. But you might
recall that last year the Chiefs got off to a
terrific start. I think they were five and oh and
Smith was on his on the pace for his best year.
Now the numbers weren't quite as good because Mahomes is
clearly a superior thrower, and Mahomes is a turn it
loose guy. Smith is not. So we've seen this kind

(01:44:18):
of thing before where the Chiefs play designs have been
very successful early in the season. But I would say
that Mahomes fits exactly the way Andy Reid likes to
play spread formations, miss direction concepts, aggressive intermediate and deeper
route concepts, and Mahomes will turn it loose and he's
a terrific thrower. Last thing, Andrew Luck a lot, a

(01:44:39):
lot of a lot of ado about his shoulder. Yeah,
they look, they didn't win last week, but they've been
there right there. Uh, probably outmatched against the Eagles, especially
on that on that line versus a tenacious defensive line.
What have you seen from Andrew Luck and gonna get
your professional prognosis in whether or not he'll get back
to being the old Well, what you don't see is

(01:45:02):
is them calling many deeper, intermediate, and vertical routes. And
I think that's a result of the fact that they
know he's still a work in progress with his shoulder.
He actually missed a throw last week that should have
been a touchdown. It could well have changed the outcome
of that game. He had Ebron wide open in from
the high red zone, meeting between the ten and the
twenty yard line late in the third quarter. He left

(01:45:23):
the ball well short. Now, this wasn't an arm strained throat,
so this is not a function of his shoulder. He
just left the ball well short and it turned out
to be an incompletion. But I assume his arm will
get stronger and stronger as the season progresses, and they'll
probably then start attacking vertically. He was an excellent deep
ball thrower before his shoulder injury. The Great Great co
stuf NFL Films. Greg, thanks so much for stopping by

(01:45:44):
with this. We always appreciate your time. Thanks Do I
really appreciate it? All right? That's Greg co sell. Let's
get you to Dan Byer. We appreciate his time as well.
He's watching everything that's going on in the world of sports.
Could be Bryce Harper's last home game in a Nationals uniform.
What's shaken, well, Doug, Yes day baseball is a part
of that equation as well. They'll get underwigh in about

(01:46:05):
an hour. Actually take that back, sorry, Doug. Check that. Hey,
while we check that, let's check out j D. Martinez.
Here's the pitch and it's wrongs. It drive the left
the law out of Feedway Park completely a free Ron
Hamer at number forty two for j. D. Martinez. He
now has one twenty seven r bies that on the

(01:46:29):
Red Sox Radio network. It's out the Orioles today, nineteen
to three in game one of a doubleheader. The reason
why Doug I had to pause there is because I
wanted to give you an update on what Bryce Harper
is doing. As the Nationals are up on the Marlins
five nothing at the end of four. Harper is in
the lineup over three with a strikeout, so maybe the
mount Nationals won't necessarily miss him. There are reports there
was a uh CBS Sports Jim Bowden, the uh former

(01:46:52):
gm in of the Cincinnati Reds, saying that he has
heard that the Nationals feel that their outfield is going
to be fine without Bryce Harper. So maybe Bryce Harper
knows something that we or maybe others are starting to
know that this will be his last home game in
the National's uniform. Astros and Blue Jays also played some
day baseball today. Of course, the Astros clinched last night,

(01:47:14):
Blue Jay's winning to one in the fifth inning. Blue
Jays skipper John Gibbons won't return next season. How about
some news from the NFL Rama's corner of keep to
Lee placed an I R with a high ankle spraining.
We'll have surgery tomorrow. Patriots placed running back rex Burke
ott on injured reserve because of a neck injury. Well,
the Raiders are placing kicker Mike Nugent on injured reserve.
He's gonna miss the next eight weeks because of a

(01:47:35):
hip injury. Bills running back with Shawn mccoyss. He'll play
Week four against Green Bay after missing their Week three
win against the Vikings with the rib issue. And Clemson
quarterback Kelly Bryant transferring from the school just days after
he was benched in favor of freshman Trevor Lawrence. What
do you think? What do you think about that? Bio?
I'm gonna try I get your opinion. Yeah, I as

(01:47:55):
I mentioned earlier, I thought, if there are dreams of
an NFL career, that the NFL will find you. I
also believe he is just one play away from getting
that starting quarterback job back and I understand that you
want to move on and your feelings are hurt. I
think in his situation of what he would mean to
the team, I'm surprised that he left. And if he

(01:48:18):
does want to play in the NFL, I still think
that he could have done that at Clemson and could
have shown off his stuff in the off season. Well,
he here's here's a look if you if you think
you're close as an NFL player, I would say, go play.
I guess the problem that he'll run into. The problem
that he'll run into is this um. If he makes

(01:48:40):
the NFL, he's gonna have to make it as a backup,
right Like he's not. He's not a franchise quarterback. He's
not a first round, first round draft pick. I don't
believe anybody views him at this correct and for for
him to make it so you know, like, look, if
you're gonna draft a guy like wait, he's and no
one likes being a backup. Nick Foles mac Fols maybe

(01:49:04):
the only guy on earth who says he likes being
a backup. But part of the reason that he's at
peace with being a backup is because he's been a
starter a couple of times over he's gotten several opportunities.
And whether it's not in his chemical makeup or he's
just happy with that group that they have in Philadelphia,
he's got enough money. But for the most part, nobody
really enjoys sitting there watching but too But to shut
it down this and and say I'm out this quickly

(01:49:28):
after being named a backup, well, I don't know how that.
I don't you're a general manager. You're sitting there going like,
is this the guy I really want to be my
backup young quarterback in training? Seeing how it ended at Clemson,
my bigger thing is, yes, he does have he is
one play away. And if you always stay ready, and

(01:49:48):
I think it's in basketball, it's more reasonable to stay longer,
just because in basketball, like if you're a point guard
and you get beat out you can still play like
they'll still that you can play two point guards together,
whereas you can't play two quarterbacks. But I I think
that you lose that special connection you have with the school.

(01:50:10):
And he has a lot of equity there. He has
a lot of positive equity. One of the things that
graduate transfers, several of them have done is they've gone
places and they haven't succeeded immediately, and they've lost their
job at their new school. What was the kid who
was at Notre Dame and he was suspended for a
year for like China and tests came back and was

(01:50:32):
good Notre Dame. Name was Evert Golson, kid from Myrtle Beach, right,
and he transferred to Florida State. Do you remember how
that worked out? No? No, he was ever Goldson was
at Florida State couple of years ago and um, it
didn't work out well. He was I'm gonna say this

(01:50:52):
is two thousand and shoot fifteen, maybe two thousand fifteen. Yeah,
haven't been right before, because right, and I want to
say that ever Golson at at at Florida State might
have started the start of the season and played really
well and then ultimately he got beat out. And one
of the reasons you get beat out is you don't

(01:51:13):
have the equity in the new place, new place where
you are. Nobody knows who you are, so all your quirks.
You haven't been a freshman, you haven't been a back,
if you haven't been on the scout team, you haven't
a guy who's who's wowed people. You lose that equity.
You lose the same equity as an alum when you
come back, Like, look, he'll still be welcomed back at Clemson,
but it won't be the same. Won't be the same

(01:51:33):
if he bails on Clemson four games in the season
and then what man, what if? What if they really
do need him late in the years? And I look
at it, Doug, and the reason I say that the
NFL will will find him, and I mean him by
the NFL is gonna find talent that no matter what,
Like there there are scouts out there that are going
to find talent. The point being, the reason you would

(01:51:54):
leave is to try to enhance your NFL career, and
I'm not sure on how much that is going to
happen with him with the examples that you just made.
With the point that I made of. He's just a
play away. If something happens to Trevor Lawrence, then Kelly
Bryant's back in that spot. I'm not sure he's necessarily.
Maybe he isn't connected. Maybe he is in his nostalgic

(01:52:15):
about his alma mater and staying with that school, so
that's not important to him. I just think in the
situation he is in the player that he is. All
signs pointed to staying at Clemson and not transferring somewhere else.
If his ceiling is somewhat limited, Yeah, how much is
it going to really improve at another school? If you're
good enough, they're gonna find you anyway, you're gonna show

(01:52:37):
it off and on pro days and in workout. So yeah,
that one I'm not gonna I'm not gonna agree with
you on. I mean, why not tell me what? Tell
me the quarterback who was the backup in college that's
in the NFL. But the the the point being is
the Yeah, there isn't any But that's I guess maybe
that's part of my argument as well. I mean is

(01:52:58):
does he does he, you know, really have a chance
as it work. I don't. I don't think. I don't
think he's in an NFL quarterback. But um, I also know, like, look,
Mitch Rabinsky sat for for four years, right and then
finally got it, finally got a shot and became, you know,
the second overall pick in the draft. I I understand,
do you want to play, go, go play? I get
I get it. My issue would be he did get

(01:53:21):
a chance to play. He was a starter. He was
beating out and you know, he didn't play terribly, but
he was beating out by a kid who I think
we'd all think has a better arm and better upside
than him. And it's a hard roll the dice for
for Dabbo, but that's the one he made because I
think he thinks kind of like a jail and hurts.
At some point, they'll get limited by their offense, and
they nearly were when they played to d A and M.

(01:53:42):
But I do understand the whole mentality, like I'm not
having fun when I'm sitting there. I sat there and
watched the SEAN one National Championship and it wasn't fun.
I don't want to which Trevor, watch Trevor win a
nation championship. It's not just not fun. No thanks, I
get that. My issue is and and the NFL will
find you thing like they can't find you. If you
don't throw a pass, you become a backup. So if
you if you can find a place where you can

(01:54:03):
go and play right away and play at a high
level in the system where you can be effective. Okay,
my my issue is more at some point though, you
do have to are you a good teammate? Are you
a good teammate? Does it actually if Trevor Lawrence actually
they believe gives you the best chance to sit there
and be ready, and when you're ready, get in the
game and show people. Tom Brady split some time is

(01:54:25):
his his last senior year in Michigan. People forget about
that one. But for the most part, you do have
to show yourself as a starter in college if you
want to make it in the NFL. He's always gonna
be known at Clemson as not Deshaun Watson and the
guy who was replaced by Trevor Lawrence. H That's that
would maybe be a recent why he doesn't want to

(01:54:46):
stick around Youah right, I mean I think he's I
think he's upset. I think the coaches told him probably
that he was his job, you know, he had to
do something to lose the jobs, his job to lose,
and he's probably sitting there going like, what, I didn't
do anything wrong. You didn't play well in the Sugar Bowl,
but I haven't done anything wrong this year. Like, yeah,
the other kids done more right. That's That's probably the
way he takes it. They probably weren't completely honest with him.

(01:55:10):
But the problem is that they were completely honest with him.
He would have left a long time ago. He's gronkn
happy in New England. Find out next coming up Thursday
in The Dug Gotlip Show. Thursday Night Football Vikings taking
on the Rams. I've been on the Vikings for months now. Man,
they got no offensive line. Good thing. The Rams are
all banged up. We preview Thursday Night Football Plus plus

(01:55:33):
the Jimmy Butler Trade, Where's he Headed? And of course
a huge weekend in college football. All the insight and
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Previously on The Doug got Leap Show, Brian Baldinger he

(01:55:54):
joins us in the Doug Gotlip Show. When you watch
the Dallas Cowboys on tape, what do you think is
wrong with them? Well, I think it's the worst around
the Cats of any quarterback in the league right now,
and that would include Buffalo. Outside of the running back.
I mean, there's not anybody, including Tavon Austin, that scares you. Um,
they can make a play every once in a while

(01:56:14):
to Tavan, but there's just nobody that scares you tight
end at any of the receiver positions. There's just not
much there to work with. And the idea of a
franchise quarterback, if you think that is, is once you
identify that guy, all you do is surround them with talent.
That's what the Eagles are doing with Carson Wentz. That's

(01:56:36):
what the Bills will do with Josh Allen. That's what
Cleveland will do with Baker, that's the plan. That's what
the Rams have done with Jared Dobbs. The Cowboys haven't
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Doug Otlip Show, Fox Sports Radio. Mm hmmm, a lot
of stuff to get to today. I will be off
the next two days. Just point out, Um, I'm going

(01:57:22):
to Kelowna, Canada. Dan Buyer and Kevin Washington gonna be
filling in Dan's awesome. Kevin Washington awesome as well. That
will be a lot of fun getting ready for Thursday
and football. I will send my picks via text or
maybe via voice message so we get our five for
five going. Yeah, I mean Buddy of minds turning forty

(01:57:45):
and the wives got together and said we're doing this
trip and I was like, hey, uh, football season and
just having to pick a huge college football weekend. I
am told that there will be some curling involved, there'll
be a lot of drinking involved, and there will be
a window to watch college and pro football involved. So

(01:58:07):
I'll report back. I'm not sure if we'll need all
that good Canadian healthcare. Let's get to the press the press.
We start off with the New England Patriots in a
radio hit on w e I in Boston, Chris Gronkowski
said his brother, Patriots tendant Rob Gronkowski, is quote super

(01:58:31):
frustrated and quote with dealing with double coverage this season.
Rob Gronkowski responded by saying that he hasn't spoken to
his brother. Chris Gronkowski also added his brother was frustrated
with not being paid like a top tight end in
this game like he should be. Again, Rob Gronkowski saying
that he hasn't spoken with his brother, but maybe some
more drama with the Patriots Tony Tony Romo called in

(01:58:55):
and said he's frustrating with Chris Gronkowski's inability to pick
up a block. That's why he broke his collar. Owned
going back seven or eight years ago. Uh that Rob
tried to say that he was trying to push one
of his products. W e I host came out and said,
we said we would uh pub his podcast if he
would come on the show and talk. Yeah, so some drama,

(01:59:18):
a bit of drama. Earlier this week, Jets safety Jamal
Adams was on CNB on w f A N in
New York. Spoke about their lost last Thursday to Baker
Mayfield and the bronze. He was Jamal Adams earlier. He
didn't see it happening. I'm just paying ones. I didn't
find out that Tyrod, you know, had a concussion until
after the game. You know, I thought he just you know,

(01:59:38):
they took him out, so obviously, you know, injuries occurred
and the next man up, so we you know, again,
we weren't prepared for him. That was from Jamal Adams.
Now Todd Bowls has spoken to the media saying that
Adams misspoke earlier this week, saying that he was a
young player, he knew what he meant, The team knew
what he meant, but apparently he didn't mean that. Huh yeah, okay, okay,

(02:00:07):
he didn't mean that. It's over. That's from Todd Bowles,
saying that he meant something else by saying that they
weren't prepared for Baker Mayfield, it meant something else. Yeah, yeah, okay, whatever.
Not a good look for Todd Bowles. How about some
quick injury news in the NFL. Thanks? Oh, I'm sorry, thanks?

(02:00:31):
Oh No, I meant that the drop. I don't know
if there was another one that we had no Apparently
not Bills running back lashaw McCoy on track from his
rib injury, Jaguars running back Leonard for Nette returning from
his hamstring injury. Well, Giants ten and Evan Ingram out
two to four weeks with a spring knee. Joey Bosa
could be out until week eight or nine for the
Chargers because it's foot injury. Yeah, the Joey Bosa things

(02:00:53):
seems huge for the Chargers in the conversation of best
defensive lineman bus best rushi ends in football, and they're
just they're just not the same without him. Now. Look,
but they get they get the benefit of San Francisco
forty Niners without Jimmy g at home. They get these
so far windless Raiders at home, although that's usually a
road game when they when the Raiders come to Carson,
they beat him there last year. If you can win

(02:01:15):
the next two at home before you get the Browns
on the road, the Titans at home, and the Seahawks
in the road. Like that, they don't have a crazy,
crazy difficult schedule. Raiders in the road, Cardinals at home.
They need to only lose one more game before they
get Joey Boza back. With the With the schedule that
they have in the talent that they have no excuse
to them wint losing more games. To Arizona State's head

(02:01:38):
coach Herman Edwards says the team's turnover barbell won't continue, saying, quote,
not on my watch. Yeah, you have the turnover chain,
you have the turnover thrown turnover backpack. Have you seen
Oregon State? Uh DoD they commit any turnovers turnover chainsaw? Oh, yes,
that's right, that's right to win the gate. Edward said

(02:02:02):
that he noticed Chase Lucas doing curls after their interception
against Washington this past week. Didn't have time to think
about it. I thought it was awesome. He wanted to
find out how they got gut it on the plane,
but said he couldn't deal with it then because they
had just gotten the ball on the turnover and had
to worry about what was happening with the offense. But

(02:02:25):
turnover Barbell maybe a one and done for Arizona, stated, oh, man,
come on, herm, I know they should have a nautilus
on the side and the turnover nautilus. You could do that.
How about an over thrown pretty cool? He should turn
over thrown? Yeah, yes, uh a Boise State, right, Yeah,
that's not bad at all, timber Wolves said coach Tom
Thibodeau told CBS Sports they will honor Jimmy Butler's trade

(02:02:47):
to request, but they have to look for a deal
that's best for them. Butler's agent told the Wolves front
office his client would preferably be want to be traded
to the Miami Heats. He'd like to go to Miami.
You know, you want to tell you about going doing
the Andy Dufrayne going from a winner and winner in
Minnesota too, and winner winner in Chicago and winner in Milwaukee.
That's where he's had his winners since college. Yeah, that's

(02:03:11):
and that's the Andy dufraine of the NBA winner in Miami.
He should say I want to go to Atlanta, Memphis
and Charlotte and then so there's then there will be
no chance. Those teams wouldn't have leverage to to give
up anything, and then you would have to worry about
being traded to any bad team. Uh. Finally, dug the
Red Sox rut of the Orioles nineteen to three in
Game one of a doubleheader. J D. Martinezs home run

(02:03:33):
number forty two. Boston now up sixty one and a
half games on the Orioles for first place in the
A at least, Yeah, sixty one and a half games
separate theos In Red Sox it was Baltimore's one D
and twelve loss today, that's a franchise record. Another new
franchise record back get out there in press. That was
the press wow. Sixty one and a half games, eighteen

(02:03:57):
and sixty two on the road, they've been outscored by
two hundred seventies six runs. The Marlins are the closest
to them with two nineteen run run deferential that's amazing,
and the Red Sox about scored their opponents by two
thirty six runs. Red Sox at one O seven, which
will not set the all time mark that of course
held by two teams, the most recent being at Seattle.
Mariners team that lost to the Yankees. Unhappy Gronks, little

(02:04:22):
brother who missed the block and cost tany Romo a year.
That's who we're down to take the vikings and the
points tomorrow. Stug Gotlip Show, Fox Sports Radio

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