October 2, 2018 • 37 mins
Doug acknowledges the greatness of Patrick Mahomes but points out some other important takeaways from the Chiefs' come from behind win over the Broncos on Monday Night Football. He also thinks Le'Veon Bell is trying to change the narrative behind his contract hold-out. And He talks to FOX Sports lead college football analyst Joel Klatt about Penn State's head scratching play call at the end of the game against Ohio State.
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We got a lot of football talk, Amando. I love
postseason baseball. I should point out postseason baseball to me
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in comparison to the regular season. I think NBA is
probably second because NBA does have games what I call
Cologne games. Right, can't put cologne on every day or
every night, but when you do put it on, you
know it's a special night. There are regular season games
that are played at a high level. There. It doesn't
mean there's not competitive regular season baseball games, but the
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comparison of every pitch meaning something in the postseason to
what it does in the regular season a ridiculous spike
in the intensity. The spike in intensity in baseball from
regular season to the postseason is the greatest spike in
all of sports, all of sports, and of course that
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begins today in Chicago. Doug Gottlib show Fox Sports Rader,
let's react to last night where like the boys all said,
the Kansas City Chiefs would win and cover by a
half point. I was looking like a genius until the
very end, and then I looked like a gonna blade dope.
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And I could sit here and wax poetic about Patrick Mahomes, who,
like Nigo Montoya, is not left handed. That's because I
know something that you do not know. Or I could
discuss the fact that once again the Chiefs are off
to a hot start and people are making, uh the
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bold and inaccurate claim that the Chiefs get off to
a hot start every year. This happens every year. That's inaccurate.
We'll get to that in a second. But I think
we're missing one thing. Are actually two things that happened
last night. Are you familiar with the stat that was
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broken the or the streak that was broken last night?
But the cancer chief the Denver Broncos had won sixty
five consecutive games at home when leading by double digits
in the fourth quarter. Like that's a mouthful, God, it is,
but it's still a great stat. Sixty five consecutive times.
And they had a double digit lead in the fourth quarter.
They had they had at least held on to win
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the game until last night against the guy starting in
just his first year in the Nashville Football League, second
year as a player, first year as a full time starter.
But what's missing in the discussion is not Pat Mahomes
is awesome. He is. That was actually his worst game
as a pro. He was better against the Chargers. He
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was better against the Steelers, and he was better against
the Niners. That was his worst game. People like he's amazing.
I'm not saying he's not. What I'm saying is that's
actually probably the worst he's played so far as a
starter through five games starting in the Nation Football League,
that's how good he's been. But the Chiefs defense has
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been much maligned, and coming into the weekend it was
the worst ranked defense the National Football League. In order
to come from fourteen points down, you do know, you
have to get stopped ten points down, you do know
you have to get stops. They got too, They got
to two stops. A matter of fact, their defense kept
them in their game while their offense scuttled a bit.
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My homes threw a ball in the third quarter, end
of the third quarter with a seven seven point deficit
where he just threw it up as a screen passed
stuffed out, should have been intercepted like he didn't play
great and they won because well it's double edged sword.
The defense got stops and Denver overpaid a backup quarterback
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to be their starting quarterback. Right. The Denver Broncos are
the only team in the league to start with three
of the first four games at home. There too, in
two on the season, two and two and oh yeah,
by the way, this puts them behind the Kansas City Chiefs.
You know, two and a half games behind the Kansas
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City Chiefs. In their own division and they still have
to go to Kansas City. But to me, the story
was case Keenum's inability to hold a lead, the Denver
broncos inability to hold a lead, and there you go.
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That was that is to me, the most stunning thing,
the most stunning because look, I thought that case Keenum
was limited, but I thought, if you give him, if
you make everything right, then he can at least be
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a playoff cow on a really good team like he
was on last year with the Minnesota Vikings. He actually
went to the NFC Championship game where he got exposed
some and look, some of it's not his fault. That
should have given the ball to Royce Freeman. More Royce
Freeman at eight point four yards to carry, but only
got the ball eight times. Instead Philip Lindsay got like
eighteen times. Why I'm not so sure. But with everybody
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salivating rightfully so over the armed talent of Pat Mahomes,
the perfect storm that is Mahomes. I mean, think about
Mahomes in that he's been humbled by losing in college
and sitting for a year. He has quality makeup. Two
parent home dad was a pro all the armed town
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in the world, a good athlete, but not a freak
athlete where he thinks that he can always beat you
with his legs, so he's beaten you with his arm
and with his head. He's been expertly coached, He studied
for just long enough, and was put into a team
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that has made the playoffs consistently and brought in even
more elite level wide receiver talent to showcase his ridiculous
God given and matured with quality coaching and hard work
physical attributes. Like, all of that is perfect storm. You
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combine the league making it more quarterback friendly with all
their new rules, with a team that already likes to
play fast and loose, a team that for the last
five years at a quarterback that didn't want to throw
the ball downfield. I mean, you cannot get a better
perfect storm than Pat Mahomes getting a shot in year
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two with the talent base that's that's young with Kansas
City and a coach like Andy Reid who has not
taken a liking to but has developed less talented quarterbacks
in the past. But but I think that's been stated
on most every radio show. What hasn't is how can
Denver lose that lead? How can you not keep scoring
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and against the Kansas City Chiefs. Give some credit to
the Chiefs defense, give a lot of blame to the
Denver Broncos offense. But the the way in which the
Denver Broncos are built with Von Miller and that pass
rush is to get a lead and get after the quarterback.
And they could barely get to Pat Mahomes. That's the
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story of last night. Be sure to catch live editions
of The Doug Dot Leap Show week days in noon
eastern three pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the
I Heart Radio app. Here's the quote from Levy on
I miss football. When I do get back, I plan
to give it my all. I still want to go
out there and win a Super Bowl for the Steelers. Bell,
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who's sitting out while refusing to sign the franchise tender
say he says he's in prime physical condition, could play
football tomorrow if needed. It's fully committed. It sucks to
have to sit out football. I want to play. I
want to win games and the playoffs. But I've got
to take this stand knowing my worth, knowing I can
tear a ligament or get surgery at any time. I
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knew I couldn't play sixteen games with four hundred or
more touches. Sitting out the entire season was never an option,
but he wants to play for the love of the game.
I gotta show people. I could be naive or hopeful,
but at the end of the day, I feel like
that's what's gonna happen, he said about resigning with the Steelers.
I don't think they really want me gone. That could
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be me being prideful, but I'm still holding out a hope.
It's costing me some fans. A lot of people are
calling me selfish. I'm really not. I'm doing it for
the guys behind me and for guys who don't understand
what's going on the business. The twenty two years I've
been playing football, I've always brought value. I don't think
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the Steelers valued me as much. But it is curious
that here's a guy who said, or his agents said, hey,
week ten, all of a sudden, he's there week seven.
I don't think my body could hold up for four
hundred touches. But I thought you weren't like any other
running back. I thought you were more valuable. I thought
you could. Either you are or you're not. I think
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there's a reason you put up those numbers. There's a
reason you can have. You can't have seventy five catches
in the sixty five game season and have you know,
sixteen hundred yards rushing unless you touch the ball a lot.
But just the way it works, there has to be
a volume of touches. And if you're not willing to
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do that, then we can't pay you that much. The
Steelers don't value me. They're gonna pay you fourteen and
a half million dollars. He would have showed up every
game this year, So I don't fault Levan Bell. I
think he's kidding himself if he thinks he's really in
football shape after working out in Florida. And while he
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may try and make himself out to be some sort
of heroic figure, look I'm doing this for the business
of football. Like, no, you're not. You're doing it so
you get a long term contract. When you're getting this
is your last long term deal. This is it. This
is it. They're cutting you off after this deal once
you get to thirty is like, yeah, we got a
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couple of guys. We got Frank Gore. Maybe Adrian Peterson
keeps it up. We got like three or four guys,
five guys who after thirty have still been really productive
for the most part. You're not that productive for the
most part. But there are guys that have been productive
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until they're thirty. And he knows this is his last.
He is not doing this for anybody other than Levian Bell, right,
That's why everything he's saying here is a lie. I'm
not saying that he doesn't miss football, but that's not
why he's coming back. He said. You know, he says
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he's fully committed. No he's not. If he's fully committed,
he would have shown up to workouts. I want to play,
I want to win games. Never has that been a
part of the discussion. You may the Steelers should ultimately
win more games if they have a healthy levy On Bell,
but that's not what this is about. This has never
been about winning and losing. This has only been about money.
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That's all it's ever been about. I think Levan Bell
would have a would have a better chance, would have
a better chance of winning in the public if he
were simply honest. Look, I held out, I'm trying to
elongate my career role on the dice here and I'm
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gonna show up a little bit earlier so I can
make a little bit more money than if I showed
up in week ten. Be sure to catch live edition
so the Doug dot Leap Show weekdays in neon eastern
three pm Pacific. He is the analyst for the Chargers
Radio Network and of course you see him on the
NFL Network. You download his podcast Moved the Sticks along
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with Bucky Brooks, another one of our friends. He's the
one and only Daniel Jeremiah. He joins us on the
Doug gott Leap Show. Um, I want to talk about
my homes in a second, but I feel like what's
being missed in our love affair with mahomes. He actually
that was his worst game as a starter. They're down
double digits on the road in Denver, and Denver can't
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score against the worst defense in the NFL. Does that
show the limitations of case Keenum or did the Knasie
Chiefs defense change all of a sudden. Knasie Chiefs defense
is not not good. I mean I saw him up
close and personal already this season. I watched all their
games on tape. Um, I don't think it's a good defense,
So I would probably tend to put that more on
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case Keenum kind of having a little bit of a
you know, hard ceiling. Uh, it's not not particularly high,
So I think I put that a little bit more
on them in that in that Denver Broncos offense. But man,
you know, all the attention I think is going to
Mahomes and rightfully so for what he did to to
bring them back and and find a way to win
that football game. What impresses you most, you know, it's
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it's interesting to me is just how much he's grown
from when he was in college to what he's doing
right now. Just fundamentally, Um, you know, we see some
of the wild plays. The left handed throw is gonna
get all the attention, but he's playing when he's playing
under control. I mean, he's playing at a really really
high level. He's getting his feet in the ground, just
even simple things. Just his drop is cleaner. It was
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just it was a free for all at Texas Tech.
He did not he did not have good footwork. He
did not. You and I talked about for the draft
like he had a great arm, but he he just
looked kind of sloppy back there. And how he's good
and how he looked and he just sees something open
and just kind of fleeing the football. Yeah, it was.
We used to joke me and Bucky used to joke
about it. When you watched the offense in college. It
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was all screens and scrambles. It was one or the
other every single time with him drifting falling away. Um wouldn't.
He wasn't taking a crisp drop at all. And you know,
you give Andy Reek credit for identifying the talent and
then being able to be a good teacher and to
uh and get his work where it needs to be.
And now, you know one thing, meeting with him before
the draft. We met with him. He came in maybe
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ten days before the draft, and he had outstanding recall
and just a really really intelligent guy. So you kind
of see now you look back on and say, Okay,
he was He's a really smart kid who's got unbelievably
raw tools and he went to the absolutely perfect spot form.
That's the other part perfect storm right. League continues to
make the quarterback, you know, a guy that you gotta
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be careful how you how you touch him. They go
out and overspend on Sammy Watkins to add to Tyreek
Hill and try this Kelsey and the league's leading rusher
who's not making a bunch of money in just his
second year, so he's still fresh to day. He's like
and Andy Reid and he he got to sit for
a year and learn. I mean, all these things kind
of coming to it together at just the right time.
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It is the perfect storm. Yeah, it's interesting, Doug too.
Just we're seeing all these numbers and everybody keeps posting
all these numbers about the most prolific offensive start to
a season we've ever had in the NFL, and the
numbers and the yards, the points, all that stuff are
sky high. And I was just, you know, maybe thirty
minutes ago, talking to an executive from a team, and
he said, he said, it's it's amazing when you watched
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the league right now, he said, you can't hit you
can't hit receivers, you can't hit the quarterback. Every other
deep ball, there's a flag for passing interference. Now, anything
that was even remotely considered as it catches. It not
a catch. The answer is always it's a catch now
because the update to that role, which I know a
lot of people like, but he's like, man, every single
rule has been updated to just just tilt the scale
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in favor of the offense. Right now, this is just
the beginning. This is get ready. This is what the
NFL is right now. It's exactly what I said on Cowhood.
That's why I said, you you can't compare stats to generation,
more plays, more offense, like everything is just h is
just obscene by comparison. Yeah, well that's what that's that's
what's out there. You know, we see all these these comps.
Is a totally different game. I mean even uh, you
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know in the scouting standpoint we had when when we
had Ed Reid Rouse in Baltimore. Ed was unbelievable ball hawk,
but Ed was also a presence over the middle of it,
floating all over the middle of a tight end. Uh.
It was a massive collision. And so you can discourage
some of those throws. Now there's absolutely nothing to discourage
those throws. So it's a it's a it's a fun
I enjoyed. Look, I enjoyed. It's fun. I'm an offensive guy.
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It's fun to watch. But it's it's different. You've got
to acknowledge that it's apples and orange when you're trying
to compare it to the previous generation. Do you think
it balances out as the season goes on, because it's
always been said like, hey, the most physical team usually
wins in the super Bowl because they don't want a
bunch of flags in the super Bowl. But what about
when we get kind of deeper into the season. Well,
I think, what is the one thing that you don't know?
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I mean, that's the one unknown, you know, that's one
thing with Kansas City, I'm anxious to see now they
have a really good running game when they want to
use it. He saw Cream Hunt get loose a little
bit in that game. I think he'll become a more
more part of everything as he gets a little bit colder.
But no, I don't I really don't see it in
terms of the way the game is going to be
called and what we're gonna see. We saw a Super
Bowl last year with you know what over a thousand
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yards offense. I mean, it's uh, it's what it is
right now. Daniel Jeremiah joining us on the Doug Gotlip
Show here on Fox Sports Radio. My issue with Frank
Wright going forward is this um time score. You know,
we have this thing where ties are bad. Okay, you know,
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the fact is that the Browns shouldn't have tied the Steelers.
Both teams should have made field goals and the thing
would have been over right. The Browns, you know, probably
should have forced over time with the Saints if not
for the field goal kicker. Um, Packers kicker, you know,
miss missed the field goal. Like teams who were playing
for ties, ties just happened. So this idea that a
tie is bad, it's twenty four seconds ago. It is
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just even if you got the first down, you're not
necessarily winning the game. This is not This is the
worst move than than Bill Belichick at his own thirty
against the Colts years ago, going forward on fourth down,
if you just get one yard, you'll win the game.
You had to get four yards, and even then you
probably had to complete two more passes before you kick
a field goal. I feel like it was that they
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saved the Texans season and they have cost themselves ultimately
a shot at the playoffs. Did you like Frank Reich's decision? Well,
I just look at it from this standpoint. You know,
we talked about where they were on the field. Um,
to me, it wasn't about where they were on the field.
It's about where they are as an organization, and I
think it's Frank Reich, it's your one. I think if
you gave some truth serum to that that organization from
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the front office down to the field, they would say
we're not the playoff caliber team right now. Um. So
I think it's year one. It's kind of one of
those statement. It's kind of an identity, it's a culture
or whatever you want to call it, but just of
an aggressive nature. Um, that's what they're trying to trying
to instill their Obviously, everybody's pointed back to his time
in Philadelphia and Doug Peterson be an older aggressive Um.
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I just think it's it's year one. If this was
year two for him and uh and they feel like
they have a playoff caliber team, I think you'd make
probably the more prudent decision, the smart decision, and you
and you punt that football. But I just think this
is a year one early on in in this regime,
and he's just trying to establish that you know, culture.
For lack of a better word, speaking of Philadelphia, what's
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wrong with Eagles, Well, they can't block and they can't cover. Um.
Other than that, there's no issues. Uh, I mean it's
they're they're not playing good up front and they have
a very talented offensive whine of their tackles are not
playing well. Lane Johnson did not play well. There was
some miscommunication even between the backs and the offensive line,
so Carson wentz, he's getting hit way too much. And
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then on the on the on the back end of
the defense, ah man, they had so many long yard
situations that they allowed. They're just not playing well at
the corner position right now. And uh, there is some
ability there. I know Jalen Mills there's some there's some
concern they're just with his lack of deep speed, top speed.
But Darby's not playing up to his his level. And
we're seeing a young kid from Washington coming back off
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that achilles injury. He's not playing at a very high
level right now either. So, uh, they've got issues. They've
got issues up front. I think we'll be solved. I
think they have the right guys on the offensive line
that don't get fixed in time. The secondary, to me,
is a legitimate long term concern. Doug at the show
Fox Sport Treat that's the voice of Daniel Jeremiah from
the NFL Network Cowboys got the ball to Zeke Gilliott
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a bunch of some of the screen games somebody handing
off to them. Have they fixed their issues? I think
they played a bad team. Um, you know, I just
I'm not the Lions team. This is a Lions team
that the Jets torched. Um, so I think there's some
issues on that side of the ball. Now. One thing, Uh,
I mean, a guy like Joe Looney, who I'm sure
many folks don't know about, the center filling in for
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Travis Frederick, played really well in that game. Um, he
did a nice job. The whole offensive front did a
nice job controlling the line of scrimmage. That's kind of
the formula that they have to use when they can
run the ball like that, take some of that pressure
off deck, simplify things and get deep going in the
passing game. Uh. You know, that's that's their formula for
them to win games. But at the end of the day,
I think that was more than likely an eight and
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eight team beating a you know, seven and nine teams.
What that was Dana Jeremiah joining us. What about the Patriots,
They're gonna be fine. They're they're gonna be just fine.
You you know, it was interesting the whole league. We're
talking about this explosion of offense, uh spreading people out,
getting the shotguns, screens, bubbles, shovels, all that stuff. What
the what do the Patriots do? They get under center?
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Sony Michelle ran the ball five times in that game,
all twenty five times, where with Tom Brady under center
nineteen of those twenty five times with a fullback in
front of him. And they got physical upfront at the
line of scrimmage. And then defensively, they did not allow
the ball to sale over their heads. They played discipline
and while they might lack some personnel on the defensive
side of the ball, that's the Bill Belichick way of
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doing business. You're gonna bend, You're not gonna break. You're
gonna be able to to to slow people down once
they get on your side of the fifty and it
don't give up explosives. And that's what they did. And
now they get Edelman back, you know, they'll have him
with Gronk a run game that's improved. Sony Michelle is
going to continue to expand his role and they're gonna
get what four games against Rourkeey quarterbacks inside their division.
They're gonna be just fine. Great stuff, Daniel Jeremiah joining us.
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Last thing yet, the Raiders coming in as you're gonna
call the the the Charger game. Raiders have led at
the you know, let the have against the Rams before
they collapsed lead in the fourth quarter of their next
two games and then a wild game against the Browns.
What are your thoughts on Gruden? Now we've seen in
four games. Well, I think it's a little bit of
a roller coaster. Now we've seen, you know, the explosive
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element in this offense being able to score points, move
the ball up and down the field. They don't have
a closer on the defensive side of the ball, which
you know, I think we all that storyline a little
bit tired. Were we all know where he is now? Um,
so you know, I think you're you're seeing some people
may we wondered had the game passed him by offensively?
I don't think that's the case. They're moving the ball
up and down the field. They just gotta find a
way to finish games and uh and this one maybe
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with a little bit of help, uh from from some
questionable calls, they're able to get that done. Great stuff,
d J Daniel Jeremiah. Download the Move the Sticks podcast
and check them out on the NFL Network. Are on
the Chargers proadcast. DJ. Thanks for joining us. Thanks. Fox
Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation.
Catch all of our shows at Fox Sports Radio dot
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com and within the I Heart Radio app. Search f
s R to listen live. Joel Clatten joins US League
college football analysts for Fox Sports and Fox Sports One.
We want to talk football with your segment. Um, how
close did you come to the bigs? Uh? Good question.
I would say not very, but I mean maybe it
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was closer than than I thought. I played a couple
of Double A games and then for a week and
Triple A. This is actually a good story. Week Uh,
in spring training I played Triple A ball because Sean
Burrow is the normal third baseman got injured who was
playing Triple A. So I went up to take his spot,
played third base, hit second in the lineup for one week.
The next day gets who they signed to a minor
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league deal, Ricky Henderson. So for for one week I
hit to hole behind Ricky Henderson, which was awesome. That
is pretty cool. Did he talk about himself in third person,
referred to himself in first first person and and our
third person. And every time he would go up to
the point Doug, he would always like look back at me,
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and he would tell me a number. He'd be like
two three, Ricky needs three, and I'd be like what, Like,
what in the world is he talking about? I had
no idea what he was talking about, and I'd go
up there and just take my normal at that. So finally,
a couple of games in I go up to our
manager's name was Jeff Gardner, and I was like, skip,
why in the world does Ricky keep telling me a
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number before he goes up to hit? And he's like, oh, hey, Brook,
that's how many pitches he wants you to take so
he can steal second. That's a that's Ricky, Ricky be Ricky.
Um uh, Now what position do you play? Third base man?
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Hot corner pass? Those suckers come down like they're fired
out of a cannon. You ain't lion, You ain't lions.
Did you not make it because you couldn't hit her?
Because you didn't couldn't field? Uh? I was I was
a good fielder, and I was a decent hitter. But
I just you gotta be you gotta understand, you've gotta
be so good, like two percent of the minor leaguers
make it. And I just did not hit off speed
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pitches well enough. I can hit the fastball, it didn't
matter how fast I could catch up to it. But man,
Uncle Charlie would come and I was folding. You were
Serrano basically right. You need a hat for your back
straight ball very much. Joe Joning is on the Doug
Gottlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. Um, I'm not. It's
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not that I didn't like the play called all for
Penn State. It was you called time out and that's
what you came up with. And look, I think James
Franklin has done a really good job. They might well
win a national championship there. They almost want a rose
Bull there. But to the James Franklin is not that
great a coach and really good recruiter and a really
good guy crowd, that last play for Penn State didn't
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help him. It definitely fall flat. It fell flat. And
and the the hard part is is that you had
such a great play caller leave and now he's the
head coach at Mississippi State. And so you've got a
young guy that hasn't had a lot of experience. His
name's Ricky Ronnie the offensive coordinator, and it's really his decision.
James Franklin and Trace mcsortley, by the way, have said
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exactly what they should after a game, after the heat
of the moment and said, hey, it's a it's a
group decision. We all thought it was there. And to
some extent, yes, that's true. James Franklin is is the
buck stops here type of guy. But you know that's
a tough deal for for Ricky and and really his
first large environment the play caller. That's just I've always
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believed and I think you probably would have this sentiment
in basketball. You've got to go down with your best punches.
You've got to You cannot go down given the ball
to somebody that is just is not who got you there?
And Tracey McSorley needed the ball in his hands on
the edge, run passed options in some former fashion because
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he was having an unbelievable game. He was having an
unbelievable game. Um, what does this does this make? You? Like?
I have come out of every college football weekend has
been that many for in fact, but I've come out
of the three previous ones thinking, uh, it's Alabama, Ohio State, Georgia,
and then we'll fight over the whoever the fourth team
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is between Haskins looking um a kind of shell shocked
at the pressure that he was seeing from Penn State.
And Ohio State had two dynamic ass rushes. Now they
don't have Bosa, they still had dynamic pass rush. I'm
not sure that Ohio State is still in that class.
Am I overreacting to one road game? I think so?
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And let me just I'm gonna hearken it back to
something that you'll definitely understand. At times. It's not always
about the overarching can you be dominant all the time,
But it's about winning in a place that's really hard
to win, regardless of how you do it. And I
think that that place, in that environment is one of
those deals. I mean, they needed the the the Bosa
sack a few years ago to win on by the
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walk off sack they needed. They got the kick blocked
and then taken back for them and lost that game.
Um a couple of years ago. Now they're able to
get to play. There are some locations and I'm sure
you have those locations when you're playing at Oklahoma State
that you go there and it almost doesn't matter how
you win, it's just whether you win at all. And
I think Penn State is one of those locations for
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Ohio State. Now you could be right, because yes, everything
you said was true. I think without Bosa they're they're
not nearly as dangerous. But keep in mind they went
into into Penn State where Trace McSorley was undefeated as
a starting quarterback, without their best player on their roster,
and still one that's you could say, even regardless of
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how Haskins looked at times on third down, that's almost
more impressive. So I think both sides of that corn
could could certainly be read. Doug, what if what if
l s U actually has a quarterback? Right? Like? Oh,
that's dangerous. Man. I thought that they couldn't play offense
out of a wet paper bag before last week, and
all of a sudden, Joe Burrows putting up the number
four total offense game in their school's history. It's like,
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what's going on too? Through the year ninety six on
the ground and all of a sudden, that guy looks
like he's the type of player that's going to lead
them to a win against Auburn, lead them to a
win against Mississippi State, and potentially be a real threat
against Alabama. I thought that Alabama was walking with that division,
with the way that Auburn has played offensively, with the
way that LSU had played offensively, and the fact that
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Joe Moore has Mississippi State crew couldn't do anything last week.
I thought this was just gonna be a walk. But
maybe l s U has got something that we don't
know about, and namely a quarterback, because he did not
get there all that you know soon if you will,
so he hadn't had a lot of time in that offense.
And the more that they get rid them, maybe they
can put something together because you know they're talented on defense.
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I guess the same thing for for Notre Dame. Right like,
I never thought wind Bush could really throw the football,
and I think people, uh people didn't pay attention to that. Michigan.
They had no offense at all in the second half,
and even the first half's helped out by a couple
of calls and and a catch. But Ian Book appears
to be a guy that can spin it and it
gives them. It gives them something they haven't had in
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a while. How legitimate is not? I know, like scheduleized
that they can survive Virginia Tech, They'll probably be there,
But how legitimate are they in comparison to the Ohio States,
Clemson's al Bama's Georges of the World. Well, I think
that you can easily say that Notre Dame has been
more impressive than Clemson. Now, whether you think Notre Dame
is better than Clemson or not, that that remains to
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be seen. But wouldn't you agree they've been more impressive? Yeah,
of course, of course they have. Their resume has been
better the Ian book, his inclusion of the lineup has
been outstanding in the last couple of weeks. And you
mentioned it. Their schedule, you know, pointed the game that
they're losing. If they win this weekend in Blacksburg. What
who's beating them outside of an injury. I mean, it's
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going to take an upset and maybe a drastic one
for someone to beat them. USC's not beating that team
if they're pointing a full capacity. I am worried about
the injury to the offensive tackle Alex Bars. They're really
good offensive tackle is out for the season with an injury,
and and that's going to affect him. I wonder how
effective they're going to be on the ground, because remember
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Ian Book has done this with a really effective ground
game as well. Can he do it when the entire
to the offenses on his shoulder. I think that remains
be seen. But I think looking at their schedule, I
just don't know who's beating them. I really don't. Joel
Clatt joining us in the doug Otlips Show on Fox
Sports Radio, Navy Playsman San Diego. I don't like that one. Uh, Syracuse,
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I mean they've they've already had, you know, they nearly
pulled up. Speaking of Syracuse, Trevor Lawrence gets hurt and
obviously last week we talked about Kelly bryant Um. But
what am I what's missing with Clemson? Like, I know,
they came back and won that game with their defense,
and they showed how much talent they have around a quarterback.
But even when Lawrence was playing, they were losing to Syracuse.
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Is what's missing with Clemson? Almost everything they I mean,
they just I gotta tell you, they just they remind
me so much of the two thousand and four team
Florida State team. Remember that team coming off from the
National championship and we all just thought, well, we know
they're good. Yeah, we know they're good. And they went
through a really easy A C C schedule and ended
up being into the playoffs and Oregon ran them of
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the building at the Rose Bowl, if you remember. Feels
like that year. To me, Clemson just doesn't have it.
I don't know what it is. I don't know if
it's chemistry or leadership or whatnot. We know they have
explosive players, we know their defense is really good. But
you cannot make an argument that they've been anywhere as
near nearly as impressive as teams like L. S U
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or Notre Dame or Georgia or even Oklahoma UM, or
certainly a team like Ohio State or or Alabama, you know,
of those teams, and everyone just keeps leaving them up there.
If they make the playoffs, even as an undefeated I
think it's the ultimate confirmation bias pick. Very similar to
four team with Florida State. Yeah, just just aren't that
good right now? Yeah? Texas, uh, Texas kind of before
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the roof, before the roof fell in on mac like
even that Texas team that lost when Colt got hurt
in the championship game, that team wasn't as good as
the previous incarnations of Texas that was all built upon
kind of cult McCoy and then slowly the regressed from there.
West Virginia Joe Clatt Jinius and Doug gotlip show. West
Virginia has two impressive wins on paper right Tennessee to
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start the year, and they just went into Texas Tech,
who had walloped Oklahoma State the week before. Now the
the n C State game and NC State's undefeated, and
they got Ryan Finne, who's up an NFL caliber quarterback. Um,
that's a game we won't see and we're not gonna see,
and they're not gonna play anybody until November. But November
they go to Texas that look Texas looks like they're
figuring out TCU. That's not as bad as their last
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two as as the final scores the last two games,
Oklahoma State in the road and Oklahoma at home. Uh,
you know, obviously Will grews a super talent. They have offense,
but are they good enough to run through that what's
gonna be a five game string because they gotta win
those four and then win the Big Twell Championship. Well,
they got to get there first, and I do believe
they will. I think they're gonna be seven and oh
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probably ranked in the probably four or five in the
playoff poll UH playoff ranking when they go to Texas,
and that's gonna be the first real deal. If they
stay healthy, I think that they're they're primed to go
through that gauntlet and do pretty well. I think their
defense is actually better than people think. You know, headed
into last week, they were actually the number one scoring
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defense in the country. Now they dropped down a bit,
but that's a Texas Tech team that has put has
been putting up massive yards and massive points on everybody,
including Oklahoma State, like you said the previous week. So
I think West Virginia's defense is actually a little better
than you would expect. Their top twenty right now and
scoring defense, and that's an offense that you know is
going to put up points. Will grive is going to
be right in the stick of the Heisman race, and
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they're gonna be probably fourth or fit in the country
traveling to Austin, Texas November three. That's gonna be quite
a story, because this is the best best chance Dana
Holgersson has had as a Big Twelve title in his
tenure there in Morgantown. Joel Clatten joins, where are you
this week? Red River Baby? The fair um so good
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likelihood Texas Pizza. Well, let to put it to you
this way. That defensive coordinator Todd Orlando at Texas is
the same coordinator that when he was at Houston beat
Oklahoma last year, held Oklahoma under thirty points. There's something
about this matchup that is not beneficial to Oklahoma, and
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it has to do with the schematics of that defense.
And so I would not be surprised at all if
this is a lower scoring game than you would expect.
And I won't be surprised at all of Texas is
close or with it, or even leading late in the
ball game. Yeah, And and look, I thought losing Rodney
Anderson hurts you. And I do think you put so
much on Kyler Murray's shoulders that occasionally that can be
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a that can be a gift in a curse, right,
Like he tries to make too many plays in this game.
A kid from Texas never lost a high school game.
I don't know. I'll be I'll be fascinating to see
exactly how this plays out. Well, listen, enjoy Dallas. I
hope hopefully the weather cooperates. We'll talk to you soon.
All right. That's Joel Clatten joining us on the Doug
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We got a lot of football talk, Amando. I love
postseason baseball. I should point out postseason baseball to me
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in comparison to the regular season. I think NBA is
probably second because NBA does have games what I call
Cologne games. Right, can't put cologne on every day or
every night, but when you do put it on, you
know it's a special night. There are regular season games
that are played at a high level. There. It doesn't
mean there's not competitive regular season baseball games, but the
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comparison of every pitch meaning something in the postseason to
what it does in the regular season a ridiculous spike
in the intensity. The spike in intensity in baseball from
regular season to the postseason is the greatest spike in
all of sports, all of sports, and of course that
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begins today in Chicago. Doug Gottlib show Fox Sports Rader,
let's react to last night where like the boys all said,
the Kansas City Chiefs would win and cover by a
half point. I was looking like a genius until the
very end, and then I looked like a gonna blade dope.
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And I could sit here and wax poetic about Patrick Mahomes, who,
like Nigo Montoya, is not left handed. That's because I
know something that you do not know. Or I could
discuss the fact that once again the Chiefs are off
to a hot start and people are making, uh the
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bold and inaccurate claim that the Chiefs get off to
a hot start every year. This happens every year. That's inaccurate.
We'll get to that in a second. But I think
we're missing one thing. Are actually two things that happened
last night. Are you familiar with the stat that was
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broken the or the streak that was broken last night?
But the cancer chief the Denver Broncos had won sixty
five consecutive games at home when leading by double digits
in the fourth quarter. Like that's a mouthful, God, it is,
but it's still a great stat. Sixty five consecutive times.
And they had a double digit lead in the fourth quarter.
They had they had at least held on to win
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the game until last night against the guy starting in
just his first year in the Nashville Football League, second
year as a player, first year as a full time starter.
But what's missing in the discussion is not Pat Mahomes
is awesome. He is. That was actually his worst game
as a pro. He was better against the Chargers. He
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was better against the Steelers, and he was better against
the Niners. That was his worst game. People like he's amazing.
I'm not saying he's not. What I'm saying is that's
actually probably the worst he's played so far as a
starter through five games starting in the Nation Football League,
that's how good he's been. But the Chiefs defense has
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been much maligned, and coming into the weekend it was
the worst ranked defense the National Football League. In order
to come from fourteen points down, you do know, you
have to get stopped ten points down, you do know
you have to get stops. They got too, They got
to two stops. A matter of fact, their defense kept
them in their game while their offense scuttled a bit.
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My homes threw a ball in the third quarter, end
of the third quarter with a seven seven point deficit
where he just threw it up as a screen passed
stuffed out, should have been intercepted like he didn't play
great and they won because well it's double edged sword.
The defense got stops and Denver overpaid a backup quarterback
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to be their starting quarterback. Right. The Denver Broncos are
the only team in the league to start with three
of the first four games at home. There too, in
two on the season, two and two and oh yeah,
by the way, this puts them behind the Kansas City Chiefs.
You know, two and a half games behind the Kansas
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City Chiefs. In their own division and they still have
to go to Kansas City. But to me, the story
was case Keenum's inability to hold a lead, the Denver
broncos inability to hold a lead, and there you go.
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That was that is to me, the most stunning thing,
the most stunning because look, I thought that case Keenum
was limited, but I thought, if you give him, if
you make everything right, then he can at least be
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a playoff cow on a really good team like he
was on last year with the Minnesota Vikings. He actually
went to the NFC Championship game where he got exposed
some and look, some of it's not his fault. That
should have given the ball to Royce Freeman. More Royce
Freeman at eight point four yards to carry, but only
got the ball eight times. Instead Philip Lindsay got like
eighteen times. Why I'm not so sure. But with everybody
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salivating rightfully so over the armed talent of Pat Mahomes,
the perfect storm that is Mahomes. I mean, think about
Mahomes in that he's been humbled by losing in college
and sitting for a year. He has quality makeup. Two
parent home dad was a pro all the armed town
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in the world, a good athlete, but not a freak
athlete where he thinks that he can always beat you
with his legs, so he's beaten you with his arm
and with his head. He's been expertly coached, He studied
for just long enough, and was put into a team
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that has made the playoffs consistently and brought in even
more elite level wide receiver talent to showcase his ridiculous
God given and matured with quality coaching and hard work
physical attributes. Like, all of that is perfect storm. You
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combine the league making it more quarterback friendly with all
their new rules, with a team that already likes to
play fast and loose, a team that for the last
five years at a quarterback that didn't want to throw
the ball downfield. I mean, you cannot get a better
perfect storm than Pat Mahomes getting a shot in year
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two with the talent base that's that's young with Kansas
City and a coach like Andy Reid who has not
taken a liking to but has developed less talented quarterbacks
in the past. But but I think that's been stated
on most every radio show. What hasn't is how can
Denver lose that lead? How can you not keep scoring
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and against the Kansas City Chiefs. Give some credit to
the Chiefs defense, give a lot of blame to the
Denver Broncos offense. But the the way in which the
Denver Broncos are built with Von Miller and that pass
rush is to get a lead and get after the quarterback.
And they could barely get to Pat Mahomes. That's the
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story of last night. Be sure to catch live editions
of The Doug Dot Leap Show week days in noon
eastern three pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the
I Heart Radio app. Here's the quote from Levy on
I miss football. When I do get back, I plan
to give it my all. I still want to go
out there and win a Super Bowl for the Steelers. Bell,
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who's sitting out while refusing to sign the franchise tender
say he says he's in prime physical condition, could play
football tomorrow if needed. It's fully committed. It sucks to
have to sit out football. I want to play. I
want to win games and the playoffs. But I've got
to take this stand knowing my worth, knowing I can
tear a ligament or get surgery at any time. I
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knew I couldn't play sixteen games with four hundred or
more touches. Sitting out the entire season was never an option,
but he wants to play for the love of the game.
I gotta show people. I could be naive or hopeful,
but at the end of the day, I feel like
that's what's gonna happen, he said about resigning with the Steelers.
I don't think they really want me gone. That could
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be me being prideful, but I'm still holding out a hope.
It's costing me some fans. A lot of people are
calling me selfish. I'm really not. I'm doing it for
the guys behind me and for guys who don't understand
what's going on the business. The twenty two years I've
been playing football, I've always brought value. I don't think
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the Steelers valued me as much. But it is curious
that here's a guy who said, or his agents said, hey,
week ten, all of a sudden, he's there week seven.
I don't think my body could hold up for four
hundred touches. But I thought you weren't like any other
running back. I thought you were more valuable. I thought
you could. Either you are or you're not. I think
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there's a reason you put up those numbers. There's a
reason you can have. You can't have seventy five catches
in the sixty five game season and have you know,
sixteen hundred yards rushing unless you touch the ball a lot.
But just the way it works, there has to be
a volume of touches. And if you're not willing to
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do that, then we can't pay you that much. The
Steelers don't value me. They're gonna pay you fourteen and
a half million dollars. He would have showed up every
game this year, So I don't fault Levan Bell. I
think he's kidding himself if he thinks he's really in
football shape after working out in Florida. And while he
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may try and make himself out to be some sort
of heroic figure, look I'm doing this for the business
of football. Like, no, you're not. You're doing it so
you get a long term contract. When you're getting this
is your last long term deal. This is it. This
is it. They're cutting you off after this deal once
you get to thirty is like, yeah, we got a
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couple of guys. We got Frank Gore. Maybe Adrian Peterson
keeps it up. We got like three or four guys,
five guys who after thirty have still been really productive
for the most part. You're not that productive for the
most part. But there are guys that have been productive
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until they're thirty. And he knows this is his last.
He is not doing this for anybody other than Levian Bell, right,
That's why everything he's saying here is a lie. I'm
not saying that he doesn't miss football, but that's not
why he's coming back. He said. You know, he says
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he's fully committed. No he's not. If he's fully committed,
he would have shown up to workouts. I want to play,
I want to win games. Never has that been a
part of the discussion. You may the Steelers should ultimately
win more games if they have a healthy levy On Bell,
but that's not what this is about. This has never
been about winning and losing. This has only been about money.
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That's all it's ever been about. I think Levan Bell
would have a would have a better chance, would have
a better chance of winning in the public if he
were simply honest. Look, I held out, I'm trying to
elongate my career role on the dice here and I'm
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gonna show up a little bit earlier so I can
make a little bit more money than if I showed
up in week ten. Be sure to catch live edition
so the Doug dot Leap Show weekdays in neon eastern
three pm Pacific. He is the analyst for the Chargers
Radio Network and of course you see him on the
NFL Network. You download his podcast Moved the Sticks along
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with Bucky Brooks, another one of our friends. He's the
one and only Daniel Jeremiah. He joins us on the
Doug gott Leap Show. Um, I want to talk about
my homes in a second, but I feel like what's
being missed in our love affair with mahomes. He actually
that was his worst game as a starter. They're down
double digits on the road in Denver, and Denver can't
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score against the worst defense in the NFL. Does that
show the limitations of case Keenum or did the Knasie
Chiefs defense change all of a sudden. Knasie Chiefs defense
is not not good. I mean I saw him up
close and personal already this season. I watched all their
games on tape. Um, I don't think it's a good defense,
So I would probably tend to put that more on
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case Keenum kind of having a little bit of a
you know, hard ceiling. Uh, it's not not particularly high,
So I think I put that a little bit more
on them in that in that Denver Broncos offense. But man,
you know, all the attention I think is going to
Mahomes and rightfully so for what he did to to
bring them back and and find a way to win
that football game. What impresses you most, you know, it's
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it's interesting to me is just how much he's grown
from when he was in college to what he's doing
right now. Just fundamentally, Um, you know, we see some
of the wild plays. The left handed throw is gonna
get all the attention, but he's playing when he's playing
under control. I mean, he's playing at a really really
high level. He's getting his feet in the ground, just
even simple things. Just his drop is cleaner. It was
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just it was a free for all at Texas Tech.
He did not he did not have good footwork. He
did not. You and I talked about for the draft
like he had a great arm, but he he just
looked kind of sloppy back there. And how he's good
and how he looked and he just sees something open
and just kind of fleeing the football. Yeah, it was.
We used to joke me and Bucky used to joke
about it. When you watched the offense in college. It
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was all screens and scrambles. It was one or the
other every single time with him drifting falling away. Um wouldn't.
He wasn't taking a crisp drop at all. And you know,
you give Andy Reek credit for identifying the talent and
then being able to be a good teacher and to
uh and get his work where it needs to be.
And now, you know one thing, meeting with him before
the draft. We met with him. He came in maybe
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ten days before the draft, and he had outstanding recall
and just a really really intelligent guy. So you kind
of see now you look back on and say, Okay,
he was He's a really smart kid who's got unbelievably
raw tools and he went to the absolutely perfect spot form.
That's the other part perfect storm right. League continues to
make the quarterback, you know, a guy that you gotta
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be careful how you how you touch him. They go
out and overspend on Sammy Watkins to add to Tyreek
Hill and try this Kelsey and the league's leading rusher
who's not making a bunch of money in just his
second year, so he's still fresh to day. He's like
and Andy Reid and he he got to sit for
a year and learn. I mean, all these things kind
of coming to it together at just the right time.
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It is the perfect storm. Yeah, it's interesting, Doug too.
Just we're seeing all these numbers and everybody keeps posting
all these numbers about the most prolific offensive start to
a season we've ever had in the NFL, and the
numbers and the yards, the points, all that stuff are
sky high. And I was just, you know, maybe thirty
minutes ago, talking to an executive from a team, and
he said, he said, it's it's amazing when you watched
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the league right now, he said, you can't hit you
can't hit receivers, you can't hit the quarterback. Every other
deep ball, there's a flag for passing interference. Now, anything
that was even remotely considered as it catches. It not
a catch. The answer is always it's a catch now
because the update to that role, which I know a
lot of people like, but he's like, man, every single
rule has been updated to just just tilt the scale
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in favor of the offense. Right now, this is just
the beginning. This is get ready. This is what the
NFL is right now. It's exactly what I said on Cowhood.
That's why I said, you you can't compare stats to generation,
more plays, more offense, like everything is just h is
just obscene by comparison. Yeah, well that's what that's that's
what's out there. You know, we see all these these comps.
Is a totally different game. I mean even uh, you
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know in the scouting standpoint we had when when we
had Ed Reid Rouse in Baltimore. Ed was unbelievable ball hawk,
but Ed was also a presence over the middle of it,
floating all over the middle of a tight end. Uh.
It was a massive collision. And so you can discourage
some of those throws. Now there's absolutely nothing to discourage
those throws. So it's a it's a it's a fun
I enjoyed. Look, I enjoyed. It's fun. I'm an offensive guy.
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It's fun to watch. But it's it's different. You've got
to acknowledge that it's apples and orange when you're trying
to compare it to the previous generation. Do you think
it balances out as the season goes on, because it's
always been said like, hey, the most physical team usually
wins in the super Bowl because they don't want a
bunch of flags in the super Bowl. But what about
when we get kind of deeper into the season. Well,
I think, what is the one thing that you don't know?
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I mean, that's the one unknown, you know, that's one
thing with Kansas City, I'm anxious to see now they
have a really good running game when they want to
use it. He saw Cream Hunt get loose a little
bit in that game. I think he'll become a more
more part of everything as he gets a little bit colder.
But no, I don't I really don't see it in
terms of the way the game is going to be
called and what we're gonna see. We saw a Super
Bowl last year with you know what over a thousand
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yards offense. I mean, it's uh, it's what it is
right now. Daniel Jeremiah joining us on the Doug Gotlip
Show here on Fox Sports Radio. My issue with Frank
Wright going forward is this um time score. You know,
we have this thing where ties are bad. Okay, you know,
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the fact is that the Browns shouldn't have tied the Steelers.
Both teams should have made field goals and the thing
would have been over right. The Browns, you know, probably
should have forced over time with the Saints if not
for the field goal kicker. Um, Packers kicker, you know,
miss missed the field goal. Like teams who were playing
for ties, ties just happened. So this idea that a
tie is bad, it's twenty four seconds ago. It is
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just even if you got the first down, you're not
necessarily winning the game. This is not This is the
worst move than than Bill Belichick at his own thirty
against the Colts years ago, going forward on fourth down,
if you just get one yard, you'll win the game.
You had to get four yards, and even then you
probably had to complete two more passes before you kick
a field goal. I feel like it was that they
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saved the Texans season and they have cost themselves ultimately
a shot at the playoffs. Did you like Frank Reich's decision? Well,
I just look at it from this standpoint. You know,
we talked about where they were on the field. Um,
to me, it wasn't about where they were on the field.
It's about where they are as an organization, and I
think it's Frank Reich, it's your one. I think if
you gave some truth serum to that that organization from
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the front office down to the field, they would say
we're not the playoff caliber team right now. Um. So
I think it's year one. It's kind of one of
those statement. It's kind of an identity, it's a culture
or whatever you want to call it, but just of
an aggressive nature. Um, that's what they're trying to trying
to instill their Obviously, everybody's pointed back to his time
in Philadelphia and Doug Peterson be an older aggressive Um.
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I just think it's it's year one. If this was
year two for him and uh and they feel like
they have a playoff caliber team, I think you'd make
probably the more prudent decision, the smart decision, and you
and you punt that football. But I just think this
is a year one early on in in this regime,
and he's just trying to establish that you know, culture.
For lack of a better word, speaking of Philadelphia, what's
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wrong with Eagles, Well, they can't block and they can't cover. Um.
Other than that, there's no issues. Uh, I mean it's
they're they're not playing good up front and they have
a very talented offensive whine of their tackles are not
playing well. Lane Johnson did not play well. There was
some miscommunication even between the backs and the offensive line,
so Carson wentz, he's getting hit way too much. And
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then on the on the on the back end of
the defense, ah man, they had so many long yard
situations that they allowed. They're just not playing well at
the corner position right now. And uh, there is some
ability there. I know Jalen Mills there's some there's some
concern they're just with his lack of deep speed, top speed.
But Darby's not playing up to his his level. And
we're seeing a young kid from Washington coming back off
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that achilles injury. He's not playing at a very high
level right now either. So, uh, they've got issues. They've
got issues up front. I think we'll be solved. I
think they have the right guys on the offensive line
that don't get fixed in time. The secondary, to me,
is a legitimate long term concern. Doug at the show
Fox Sport Treat that's the voice of Daniel Jeremiah from
the NFL Network Cowboys got the ball to Zeke Gilliott
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a bunch of some of the screen games somebody handing
off to them. Have they fixed their issues? I think
they played a bad team. Um, you know, I just
I'm not the Lions team. This is a Lions team
that the Jets torched. Um, so I think there's some
issues on that side of the ball. Now. One thing, Uh,
I mean, a guy like Joe Looney, who I'm sure
many folks don't know about, the center filling in for
(21:59):
Travis Frederick, played really well in that game. Um, he
did a nice job. The whole offensive front did a
nice job controlling the line of scrimmage. That's kind of
the formula that they have to use when they can
run the ball like that, take some of that pressure
off deck, simplify things and get deep going in the
passing game. Uh. You know, that's that's their formula for
them to win games. But at the end of the day,
I think that was more than likely an eight and
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eight team beating a you know, seven and nine teams.
What that was Dana Jeremiah joining us. What about the Patriots,
They're gonna be fine. They're they're gonna be just fine.
You you know, it was interesting the whole league. We're
talking about this explosion of offense, uh spreading people out,
getting the shotguns, screens, bubbles, shovels, all that stuff. What
the what do the Patriots do? They get under center?
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Sony Michelle ran the ball five times in that game,
all twenty five times, where with Tom Brady under center
nineteen of those twenty five times with a fullback in
front of him. And they got physical upfront at the
line of scrimmage. And then defensively, they did not allow
the ball to sale over their heads. They played discipline
and while they might lack some personnel on the defensive
side of the ball, that's the Bill Belichick way of
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doing business. You're gonna bend, You're not gonna break. You're
gonna be able to to to slow people down once
they get on your side of the fifty and it
don't give up explosives. And that's what they did. And
now they get Edelman back, you know, they'll have him
with Gronk a run game that's improved. Sony Michelle is
going to continue to expand his role and they're gonna
get what four games against Rourkeey quarterbacks inside their division.
They're gonna be just fine. Great stuff, Daniel Jeremiah joining us.
(23:24):
Last thing yet, the Raiders coming in as you're gonna
call the the the Charger game. Raiders have led at
the you know, let the have against the Rams before
they collapsed lead in the fourth quarter of their next
two games and then a wild game against the Browns.
What are your thoughts on Gruden? Now we've seen in
four games. Well, I think it's a little bit of
a roller coaster. Now we've seen, you know, the explosive
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element in this offense being able to score points, move
the ball up and down the field. They don't have
a closer on the defensive side of the ball, which
you know, I think we all that storyline a little
bit tired. Were we all know where he is now? Um,
so you know, I think you're you're seeing some people
may we wondered had the game passed him by offensively?
I don't think that's the case. They're moving the ball
up and down the field. They just gotta find a
way to finish games and uh and this one maybe
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with a little bit of help, uh from from some
questionable calls, they're able to get that done. Great stuff,
d J Daniel Jeremiah. Download the Move the Sticks podcast
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s R to listen live. Joel Clatten joins US League
college football analysts for Fox Sports and Fox Sports One.
We want to talk football with your segment. Um, how
close did you come to the bigs? Uh? Good question.
I would say not very, but I mean maybe it
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was closer than than I thought. I played a couple
of Double A games and then for a week and
Triple A. This is actually a good story. Week Uh,
in spring training I played Triple A ball because Sean
Burrow is the normal third baseman got injured who was
playing Triple A. So I went up to take his spot,
played third base, hit second in the lineup for one week.
The next day gets who they signed to a minor
(25:10):
league deal, Ricky Henderson. So for for one week I
hit to hole behind Ricky Henderson, which was awesome. That
is pretty cool. Did he talk about himself in third person,
referred to himself in first first person and and our
third person. And every time he would go up to
the point Doug, he would always like look back at me,
(25:31):
and he would tell me a number. He'd be like
two three, Ricky needs three, and I'd be like what, Like,
what in the world is he talking about? I had
no idea what he was talking about, and I'd go
up there and just take my normal at that. So finally,
a couple of games in I go up to our
manager's name was Jeff Gardner, and I was like, skip,
why in the world does Ricky keep telling me a
(25:51):
number before he goes up to hit? And he's like, oh, hey, Brook,
that's how many pitches he wants you to take so
he can steal second. That's a that's Ricky, Ricky be Ricky.
Um uh, Now what position do you play? Third base man?
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Hot corner pass? Those suckers come down like they're fired
out of a cannon. You ain't lion, You ain't lions.
Did you not make it because you couldn't hit her?
Because you didn't couldn't field? Uh? I was I was
a good fielder, and I was a decent hitter. But
I just you gotta be you gotta understand, you've gotta
be so good, like two percent of the minor leaguers
make it. And I just did not hit off speed
(26:34):
pitches well enough. I can hit the fastball, it didn't
matter how fast I could catch up to it. But man,
Uncle Charlie would come and I was folding. You were
Serrano basically right. You need a hat for your back
straight ball very much. Joe Joning is on the Doug
Gottlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. Um, I'm not. It's
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not that I didn't like the play called all for
Penn State. It was you called time out and that's
what you came up with. And look, I think James
Franklin has done a really good job. They might well
win a national championship there. They almost want a rose
Bull there. But to the James Franklin is not that
great a coach and really good recruiter and a really
good guy crowd, that last play for Penn State didn't
(27:19):
help him. It definitely fall flat. It fell flat. And
and the the hard part is is that you had
such a great play caller leave and now he's the
head coach at Mississippi State. And so you've got a
young guy that hasn't had a lot of experience. His
name's Ricky Ronnie the offensive coordinator, and it's really his decision.
James Franklin and Trace mcsortley, by the way, have said
(27:41):
exactly what they should after a game, after the heat
of the moment and said, hey, it's a it's a
group decision. We all thought it was there. And to
some extent, yes, that's true. James Franklin is is the
buck stops here type of guy. But you know that's
a tough deal for for Ricky and and really his
first large environment the play caller. That's just I've always
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believed and I think you probably would have this sentiment
in basketball. You've got to go down with your best punches.
You've got to You cannot go down given the ball
to somebody that is just is not who got you there?
And Tracey McSorley needed the ball in his hands on
the edge, run passed options in some former fashion because
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he was having an unbelievable game. He was having an
unbelievable game. Um, what does this does this make? You? Like?
I have come out of every college football weekend has
been that many for in fact, but I've come out
of the three previous ones thinking, uh, it's Alabama, Ohio State, Georgia,
and then we'll fight over the whoever the fourth team
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is between Haskins looking um a kind of shell shocked
at the pressure that he was seeing from Penn State.
And Ohio State had two dynamic ass rushes. Now they
don't have Bosa, they still had dynamic pass rush. I'm
not sure that Ohio State is still in that class.
Am I overreacting to one road game? I think so?
(29:10):
And let me just I'm gonna hearken it back to
something that you'll definitely understand. At times. It's not always
about the overarching can you be dominant all the time,
But it's about winning in a place that's really hard
to win, regardless of how you do it. And I
think that that place, in that environment is one of
those deals. I mean, they needed the the the Bosa
sack a few years ago to win on by the
(29:32):
walk off sack they needed. They got the kick blocked
and then taken back for them and lost that game.
Um a couple of years ago. Now they're able to
get to play. There are some locations and I'm sure
you have those locations when you're playing at Oklahoma State
that you go there and it almost doesn't matter how
you win, it's just whether you win at all. And
I think Penn State is one of those locations for
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Ohio State. Now you could be right, because yes, everything
you said was true. I think without Bosa they're they're
not nearly as dangerous. But keep in mind they went
into into Penn State where Trace McSorley was undefeated as
a starting quarterback, without their best player on their roster,
and still one that's you could say, even regardless of
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how Haskins looked at times on third down, that's almost
more impressive. So I think both sides of that corn
could could certainly be read. Doug, what if what if
l s U actually has a quarterback? Right? Like? Oh,
that's dangerous. Man. I thought that they couldn't play offense
out of a wet paper bag before last week, and
all of a sudden, Joe Burrows putting up the number
four total offense game in their school's history. It's like,
(30:38):
what's going on too? Through the year ninety six on
the ground and all of a sudden, that guy looks
like he's the type of player that's going to lead
them to a win against Auburn, lead them to a
win against Mississippi State, and potentially be a real threat
against Alabama. I thought that Alabama was walking with that division,
with the way that Auburn has played offensively, with the
way that LSU had played offensively, and the fact that
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Joe Moore has Mississippi State crew couldn't do anything last week.
I thought this was just gonna be a walk. But
maybe l s U has got something that we don't
know about, and namely a quarterback, because he did not
get there all that you know soon if you will,
so he hadn't had a lot of time in that offense.
And the more that they get rid them, maybe they
can put something together because you know they're talented on defense.
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I guess the same thing for for Notre Dame. Right like,
I never thought wind Bush could really throw the football,
and I think people, uh people didn't pay attention to that. Michigan.
They had no offense at all in the second half,
and even the first half's helped out by a couple
of calls and and a catch. But Ian Book appears
to be a guy that can spin it and it
gives them. It gives them something they haven't had in
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a while. How legitimate is not? I know, like scheduleized
that they can survive Virginia Tech, They'll probably be there,
But how legitimate are they in comparison to the Ohio States,
Clemson's al Bama's Georges of the World. Well, I think
that you can easily say that Notre Dame has been
more impressive than Clemson. Now, whether you think Notre Dame
is better than Clemson or not, that that remains to
(32:09):
be seen. But wouldn't you agree they've been more impressive? Yeah,
of course, of course they have. Their resume has been
better the Ian book, his inclusion of the lineup has
been outstanding in the last couple of weeks. And you
mentioned it. Their schedule, you know, pointed the game that
they're losing. If they win this weekend in Blacksburg. What
who's beating them outside of an injury. I mean, it's
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going to take an upset and maybe a drastic one
for someone to beat them. USC's not beating that team
if they're pointing a full capacity. I am worried about
the injury to the offensive tackle Alex Bars. They're really
good offensive tackle is out for the season with an injury,
and and that's going to affect him. I wonder how
effective they're going to be on the ground, because remember
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Ian Book has done this with a really effective ground
game as well. Can he do it when the entire
to the offenses on his shoulder. I think that remains
be seen. But I think looking at their schedule, I
just don't know who's beating them. I really don't. Joel
Clatt joining us in the doug Otlips Show on Fox
Sports Radio, Navy Playsman San Diego. I don't like that one. Uh, Syracuse,
(33:15):
I mean they've they've already had, you know, they nearly
pulled up. Speaking of Syracuse, Trevor Lawrence gets hurt and
obviously last week we talked about Kelly bryant Um. But
what am I what's missing with Clemson? Like, I know,
they came back and won that game with their defense,
and they showed how much talent they have around a quarterback.
But even when Lawrence was playing, they were losing to Syracuse.
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Is what's missing with Clemson? Almost everything they I mean,
they just I gotta tell you, they just they remind
me so much of the two thousand and four team
Florida State team. Remember that team coming off from the
National championship and we all just thought, well, we know
they're good. Yeah, we know they're good. And they went
through a really easy A C C schedule and ended
up being into the playoffs and Oregon ran them of
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the building at the Rose Bowl, if you remember. Feels
like that year. To me, Clemson just doesn't have it.
I don't know what it is. I don't know if
it's chemistry or leadership or whatnot. We know they have
explosive players, we know their defense is really good. But
you cannot make an argument that they've been anywhere as
near nearly as impressive as teams like L. S U
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or Notre Dame or Georgia or even Oklahoma UM, or
certainly a team like Ohio State or or Alabama, you know,
of those teams, and everyone just keeps leaving them up there.
If they make the playoffs, even as an undefeated I
think it's the ultimate confirmation bias pick. Very similar to
four team with Florida State. Yeah, just just aren't that
good right now? Yeah? Texas, uh, Texas kind of before
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the roof, before the roof fell in on mac like
even that Texas team that lost when Colt got hurt
in the championship game, that team wasn't as good as
the previous incarnations of Texas that was all built upon
kind of cult McCoy and then slowly the regressed from there.
West Virginia Joe Clatt Jinius and Doug gotlip show. West
Virginia has two impressive wins on paper right Tennessee to
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start the year, and they just went into Texas Tech,
who had walloped Oklahoma State the week before. Now the
the n C State game and NC State's undefeated, and
they got Ryan Finne, who's up an NFL caliber quarterback. Um,
that's a game we won't see and we're not gonna see,
and they're not gonna play anybody until November. But November
they go to Texas that look Texas looks like they're
figuring out TCU. That's not as bad as their last
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two as as the final scores the last two games,
Oklahoma State in the road and Oklahoma at home. Uh,
you know, obviously Will grews a super talent. They have offense,
but are they good enough to run through that what's
gonna be a five game string because they gotta win
those four and then win the Big Twell Championship. Well,
they got to get there first, and I do believe
they will. I think they're gonna be seven and oh
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probably ranked in the probably four or five in the
playoff poll UH playoff ranking when they go to Texas,
and that's gonna be the first real deal. If they
stay healthy, I think that they're they're primed to go
through that gauntlet and do pretty well. I think their
defense is actually better than people think. You know, headed
into last week, they were actually the number one scoring
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defense in the country. Now they dropped down a bit,
but that's a Texas Tech team that has put has
been putting up massive yards and massive points on everybody,
including Oklahoma State, like you said the previous week. So
I think West Virginia's defense is actually a little better
than you would expect. Their top twenty right now and
scoring defense, and that's an offense that you know is
going to put up points. Will grive is going to
be right in the stick of the Heisman race, and
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they're gonna be probably fourth or fit in the country
traveling to Austin, Texas November three. That's gonna be quite
a story, because this is the best best chance Dana
Holgersson has had as a Big Twelve title in his
tenure there in Morgantown. Joel Clatten joins, where are you
this week? Red River Baby? The fair um so good
(36:56):
likelihood Texas Pizza. Well, let to put it to you
this way. That defensive coordinator Todd Orlando at Texas is
the same coordinator that when he was at Houston beat
Oklahoma last year, held Oklahoma under thirty points. There's something
about this matchup that is not beneficial to Oklahoma, and
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it has to do with the schematics of that defense.
And so I would not be surprised at all if
this is a lower scoring game than you would expect.
And I won't be surprised at all of Texas is
close or with it, or even leading late in the
ball game. Yeah, And and look, I thought losing Rodney
Anderson hurts you. And I do think you put so
much on Kyler Murray's shoulders that occasionally that can be
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a that can be a gift in a curse, right,
Like he tries to make too many plays in this game.
A kid from Texas never lost a high school game.
I don't know. I'll be I'll be fascinating to see
exactly how this plays out. Well, listen, enjoy Dallas. I
hope hopefully the weather cooperates. We'll talk to you soon.
All right. That's Joel Clatten joining us on the Doug
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