October 11, 2018 • 38 mins
Doug reacts to the Jimmy Butler situation with the Timberwolves and explains why ego is ok in pro sports, but Butler's may have grown too large. He talks to long time NFL Insider Ed Werder about Jason Garrett's future as head coach of the Cowboys. Plus lead play by play announcer for FOX Sports Joe Buck stops by to discuss Eagles v Giants on Thursday Night Football.
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Up America. Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Part two
of the must win Game in the National Football League.
Last week we told you Falcons Steelers felt that way.
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Tell you what tonight's game means, uh to a team
that I don't think people are discussing of the two.
We'll get to that upcoming Thursday Night Football. By the way,
he should be pointed out that Thursday Football, I believe
is a stunning success for Fox. But what the NFL
has done is what the NBA did to Saturday night hoops.
They have squashed it for college hoops and for college football,
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like you have to and I understand some of this
is because of conference alignment, but if you go back
to when I was in school, and it wasn't that
long ago. I was for a lot of long ago.
But you go back to nineties, early two thousand's Thursday
night football, you would have the old beat, you'd have
the Big East, you'd have Miami at Virginia Tech. Right,
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remember those days. Beamer Ball in in the nineties was
made Thursday night football. Great games, great games. They're still
Thursday night games, just no one watches them because if
you watch football, you're gonna watch the National Football League anyway.
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Everyone still talking not
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just about Thursday night football. We're a day away from
the nl LCS getting on the way on Fox, but
we're also uh waiting for Tuesday night's NBA tip off.
And instead of freaking out over how the Warriors looked
or Trey Young hitting at thirty five foot at all
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win a preseason game, and making over making paralysis by
analysis on preseason games, let's talk about the latest drama.
Jimmy Butler in this story broke in show yesterday Jimmy
Butler and shamp Sharani, who works for Stadium Now, recently
tweeted out that there was a player's only meeting led
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by Jimmy Butler, and he committed to wanting to compete
with the player. With the current group of Timberwolves. Other
players spoke up, and that appears to be the way
in which the Timberwolves are leaning that he's gonna play
with these guys. You go back, and he had an
interview yesterday just so happened to have interview set up
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with Rachel Nichols right after the practice in which he
led the Scrubs to a victory in a scrimmage. He
was Jimmy Butler sitting down with Rachel Nichols, and that's
raw me, me, at my finest me, And I'm curious.
That's what you're gonna get inside the lines. It could be.
It could be, but uh do I think so? No,
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because you gotta be honest. I'm being honest. Do I
think so? No, I'm being honest with you. But it
is everybody gonna be honest. No, No, everybody's not gonna
be honest. Like if you go and say, which one
are y'all told what Jimmy said today in practice? Everybody, Oh,
I don't I don't know, be honest, I don't care.
It ain't nothing we can do about it now, let
be honest. So Jimmy Butler hurt by the dishonesty within
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the locker room, the leaks in the locker room. It
is ironic. It is ironic that Jimmy Butler wants honesty,
and yet it just so happens to have an interview
with Rachel Nichols set up when this incident just so
happens to have happened. Right. But among the things that
people don't react well to remember, we talked about Odell
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Beckham Jr. Essentially calling out his team is having no
heart and um he said that he felt like he
was being schemed out. So he's talking about the coaching
staff and he said, we gotta play with great effort,
meaning he's saying guys don't play hard. That that attacks coaching.
Coaches have to get their guys to play as hard
as possible. Calling somebody a liar is not is not
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a way to endear yourself as a leader. I I
understand what Jimmy Butler. Jimmy Butler is trying to execute
a hostile takeover of the Minnesota Timberwolves. Hey look, I'll
stay here, I'll play here. We're gonna do it my way.
And I'm going to be the leader. And this some
of this goes back to articles written when he was
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in Chicago in we all have egos, right there's there
isn't a human being that's successful that doesn't have an ego.
Text Winner passed away last night at the age of nineties.
Of course, most of you know text Winner because of
the triangle offense, something that unless you understand basketball, and
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even guys that understand basketball don't understand what the triangle
offense is, how it's executed, and how it allowed uh
Phil Jackson to win eleven titles in Chicago and in
Los Angeles. But Phil ja but but text Winner, in
spite of the fact that he was ultimately awarded as
a Basketball Hall of Famer, he may have had an ego.
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He just hit it quite nicely. He did so with
self deprecating humor. And I'm not saying it's wrong for
an NBA player to have an ego, especially a star
player to have an ego. I believe Jimmy Butler is
a star player. I don't believe he's a superstar, but
I believe he's a star player. But Butler's ego outside
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out is is too large. For his actual game and
too large to work with others right like. And I
find this actually with my own son. So my son's
nine years old and we're trying to figure out what
he's going to be best at because he loves just
about everything. He plays basketball, he's okay, but he really
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likes playing with the team. He plays baseball, he's good. Um,
he's very good. He's a lefty who hits right. He
We're gonna have to we gotta turn around here this offseason.
He plays tennis, he's pretty good. He actually plays right handed,
even though he's left handed in life. He plays football.
He's very very good as a as a wide receiver.
But do we want him playing football? And ultimately is
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that the way he wants to go? And when sitting
down with my wife and trying to decide, hey, what
what sport? You know he used to play soccer, thinks
about wanting to go back out for soccer, at some
point you do have to whittle down the number of sports.
And the reason that even though he loves tennis, I
don't think he's a tennis player is because he feeds
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off the energy of others and loves winning and even losing.
As a team. He is a team guy. You have
to be able to function within the locker room. Now,
each sport is different in terms of the team right.
In baseball, you gotta get along with people socially, and
you do need to to work together. You know, yah
cel Peig not hitting the cutoff man early in his
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career and some of the things he didn't do to
endear himself hurt him with the team. But the truth
is in baseball, if you're a pitcher, um, if you're
a catcher. If you're a pitcher, you're a relief pitcher,
you're a pinch hitter, you're unless you're a catcher, you
don't really have to have great relationships with everybody on
your team. In football, it's more about your position group
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and your side of the ball. In basketball, you do
it's it's a very much. It's I think the most
team event because you both play offense, you both play
defense together, and when you're on the court, you need
all five guys functioning together as one. Jimmy Butler is
almost he's more like a baseball player, more like a
tennis player. Then he is like a basketball player. I
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I understand he has a sizeable ego and that he
feels like his competitive spirit is greater than some of
the other younger players on the team, like a Karl
Anthony Towns. I get that, But in addition to not
understanding his own place within the lineage of star players
in the NBA, I'm not sure he understands other people's egos.
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When he says I'm being honest and the way in
which he says it, he's calling out the lack of
honesty of others. I don't think there's any doubt in
my mind he believes Karl Anthony Towns is a one
who runs to the media because Karl Anthony town is
the media darling, and Karl Anthony Towns when he gets
done playing, couldn't be in the media. Nobody likes being
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called a liar. Ever watched the Western What gets the
guys to stand up and go out and have a
have a draw? You call me a liar? Right, it's
not just his ego. We all have him, and you're
not going to be homeless growing up to becoming a
star in college and a I mean a star in
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college and then a second round pick and uh, all
NBA guy and all star in the pros unless you
believe in yourself, but believing in yourself to the detriment
of others. When your ego not only outside of your talent,
but but uh, but questions the ego, confidence and legitimacy
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of others, you run the risk of alienating yourself off
and you may end up leading this ship. But if
if two teams are tired of the way in which
you want hostile takeovers to take place, it becomes really
hard to find a third team that's gonna buy in
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and and go all in. The Butler thing is fascinating.
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Doug got Leap Show on Fox Sports Radio. UM and
one of the teams that I mean, like all the teams.
You have a ton of knowledge about what's going on
inside their front offices. But one of the teams that
you know, maybe better than anybody on earth, is the
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Dallas Cowboys. What's what's the sense of Jason Garrett's job
status is many have come out and said he could
be the first one to go if things don't change
in Big d I don't see him getting fired during
the season. Jerry Jones has excused every coach the Cowboys
have ever had, from Tom Landry to Jimmy Johnson to
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Bill Parcelves. But he's only once replaced the coach during
the season, and that was Wade Phillips when the Cowboys
at a Sunday night nationally televised game lost to the
Packers to seven, and it became quite obvious that the
team had quit on on Wade Phillips, and he had
Jason Garrett to give the job to. So Garrett somebody
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that you know, Jerry Jones has always coveted, and so
I do think that he came into this season having
to win to remain the Cowboys coach, and I think
he put himself in some jeopardy with his decision the
other night to punt him the on the first possession.
Uh in in the of overtime against Houston on the road,
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Jerry Jones himself said that they were being outplayed and
that was a situation where taking a risk might have
been necessary. And this is the league where you know,
Doug Peterson won a Super Bowl with bold decisions, and
even earlier in the day last Sunday, Sean McVeigh went
for it on fourth down on his own side of
the field with the lead to close out the Seahawks. So, uh,
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there's a lot of criticism in the building, even of Garrett.
I talked to a source over there who said, quote,
You've got to play to win on the road. I
don't know about us being the lesser team, but if
your mantra is fight, as Garrett's is, then you go
into a fight swinging, not running around the ring in
the final uh round of the match with the judges
having even on the scorecards. So I think he's placed
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himself in some jeopardy, But I don't think I think
he's gonna get the full season before his fate is
ultimately determined. Yeah, it's it's fascinating. The the interesting thing
about McVeigh, who's being championed. McVeigh was gonna punt. He
was gonna punt, and then Pete and then Pete Carroll
called time out and the players like, hey, we don't,
we don't, we don't want to punt, we want to
go for let's end the game. And it end up
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working out. It is really um, it is very interesting.
And then you know, look the juxtaposition of that decision
with last week in Indie on the other side of
the field, the forty three yard line, the Colts go
for it, don't get it, and lose the game to
the exact same team. The Texans like, there's a lot,
there's there's a lot kind of going on there. Um,
what what about the blame for the offensive? Um, the
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offensive inadequacies? Does that on him? Shot? I mean Scott Line.
I know they changed position coaches, but the kept Linahan
and the thought was, hey, we'll go with an ensemble
cast and to this point it hasn't worked with those
wide receivers. Kind of one of the odd decisions that
Jerry Jones made that should almost never see anywhere else
in the league. After last season seven and nine disappointment, UH,
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there was some pressure to fire UH Jason Garrett at
that time. Instead Jerry Jones comes up this concept where
he keeps the head coach and the two coordinators and
and basically replaces most of the position coaches and believe
that that could make significant difference. They're in a situation
now where, you know, coming into this season, it was
believed that Dak Prescott, uh you know, would have another
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good year. The Cowboys would then be allowed to renegotiate
his contract for the first time going into his fourth year,
and that they would pay him franchise quarterback tight money.
I'm not so sure that's going to happen now. A
lot of concern despite all the rules changes and the
record number of points being scored to this point, record
number of touchdowns being scored to this point, you know,
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the Cowboys are in scoring ahead of only two teams
starting rookie quarterbacks, the Bills and the Cardinals. They're averaging
sixteen points a game. There's all kinds of questions about
Dak Prescott's accuracy, which has fallen every year from to current.
His yards of per game passing have gone from toe
to two oh nine to currently one uh and, and
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he just doesn't seem to be able to elevate this
average group of receivers that the Cowboys have put around him,
And I think that's a noteworthy point, Doug. You know
they they claim that they think he's a franchise quarterback. Well,
I think if you really believe that, then you do
with the Eagles and the Rams and the Bears have
done for their young quarterbacks. You know, Carson Wentz and
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Jared Goff and Mr Tropisk you out and you assemble
as strong as supporting cast for them to have success
as you can. And that's certainly not what the Cowboys
have done and staid they let um. You know, Jason
Witten retired after fifteen years. They didn't have an adequate
replacement for him, has become obvious. And then Dez Bryant
was released in the Cowboys shouldn't have done that if
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they didn't have somebody better, and clearly they don't. Yeah,
the Dez Bryant thing is interesting, Like I get that
he had he wasn't a number one wide receiver, but
you didn't you didn't have a plan beat or any
of the guys they signed to replace it, and they
didn't do that. And you know it's interesting now that
you know Dez has been trolling them on Twitter every
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time they play. And at the same time, he's made
it very clear that that he's opened coming back and
forgiving everything that happened. And obviously we talked about last
week about all the criticism he levied at certain people
in the organization, including key players and the head coach
and the offensive coordinator. So maybe it's not a situation
that can be repaired, Um, but it's interesting that he's
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willing to do it. Yeah, it's very interesting. Doug out
the show here on Fox Sports Radio, Edward Or is
our guest. Um, tonight, you have the Giants taken on
the Philadelphia Eagles, and a lot of people are focused
on the Giants, rightfully so, because of the decisions they
made in the draft, disian decisions they made in free agency.
But what about the Philadelphia Eagles. Here's a team that
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had their chest puffed out after when the Super Bowl.
We took chances, we went for we have fun. You know,
you lose your quarterback, coach and your offensive coordinator. That's
what happens when you're successful. Um, you didn't have your
quarterback first couple of games, also didn't have all Sean
Jeffrey now got a running now you got an issue
at at at running back with injury. Um, how how
stable is that team? As look, they're one and a
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half point favorite, but they lose night there, two and
four right now, coming off a dominant year in a
Super Bowl championship year. Yeah, since Carson Wentz returned UM
in Week three, they're just one and two. Uh. They've
obviously been forced into a position where they're playing from
behind a lot more often, uh this season so far
than they did a year ago. Uh. Wentz has not
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been particularly good in that Um. You know, he really
took advantages of third down, of defenses on third down
last year had the highest completion percentage in the league. Land,
he's got the lowest completion percentage in the league when
he's pressured. Uh, He's he's only completed like of his passes.
All of his success has come when he's not been pressured.
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In the offensive line. You know, Lane Johnson, the right guard,
the right tackle, went on the injury report today with
an ankle injury. The interesting to see if he plays. Uh.
You men in the running back situation, they lost J
I E. So there's a real expectation, I think, given
that they cleared some cap space by redoing Fletcher Cox's
contract and creating six and a half million dollars worth
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of cap space, that they're going to make a move
I at the running back position like they did last
year when they acquired a jot E in a trade
with the Dolphins right at the deadline. They've got till
the end of the month. I asked about Levian Bell
with a source there who said that Bell uh is
too expensive currently in their mind, but a player who
may not be Uh certainly is not as expensive in
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terms of payroll. Is Lashawn McCoy on a rebuilding team
in Buffalo. And you know, Sean McDermott, the head coach,
didn't exactly come out and say no to the reports
that have surfaced that there might be a potential trade
between the two organizations. And Howie Roseman is a guy
we know as a general manager, is one of the
most aggressive gms in the league. And I think that
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that kind of move might send the right message to
his team, just like the move for a jot you
did last year. That's the voice of Edwarder. He's joining
us in the Doug Gotlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
I did mention that the Giants. Um, the g men
came out and played a hard fought, spirited game, which
they lost on the sixty three yard field goal. But
they're also dealing with during the given before the game
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and then after the game the interview with that Odell
Beckham Junior had with Josina Anderson, which Little Wayne made
an appearance. You look, before the season, they signed him
to a contract contract extension, and my thought was like,
what is the rush? You know, you go back three
months before the contract and he was in a room
with a woman and there was coke in the room
and there was talk of them being done with him
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with the franchise. Now like three months of good behavior,
like okay, And I wanted to see how he handled adversity.
And this is how he handles adversity. Calls out teammates,
he calls out his coaching staff, he calls out their
heart Like, Um, how's how's Odell Beckham Junior view viewed
right now with the Giants? Well, I'm sure that um
with Dave Gettleman, the general manager, uh the ownership and
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uh Pat Shermer That yeah, Pat Shermer, that there's you know,
a real sense of betrayal here. Because they they did
give him big money. Uh, they felt like he earned
it by the way he interacted with them during the
off season, and then as soon as he gets the
money a month later, he's you know, he's not showing
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confidence in Eli Manning as a quarterback. He's not even
saying that that this is where he wants to spend
the rest of his career. He's talking about going to
Los Angeles. But then he goes out and has a
relatively brilliant performance on the field. Was certainly adventurous. He
fumbled a punt and and was tackled and and the
Panther score touchdown on that play. He threw for a touchdown,
he caught a touchdown pass. Uh, So that's I'm sure
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they're not thrilled with the maturity level of the guy,
but they recognize his value as one of the real
playmakers in the game. And obviously they committed in the
draft to another season with Eli mann at thirty seven
by taking shake Chakawan. Barkley has been terrific, So that
remains to be seen. But I'm sure there's misgivings about
what they did. Uh. He certainly didn't reinforce the decision
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is a good one for the Giants with his behavior
in front of the television cameras last week, Doug Olive show,
Fox Portraito, that's the voice of Edward or he joins us.
You know, it's interesting, it's kind of quietly what's happened
during the last week. Jameis Winston now back as a
starting quarterback, and they're using him um in their ad
campaigns and their marketing campaigns building up for for this weekend.
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Coming off that three game suspension. Obviously fits played really
well up until you know, obviously fits Magic ran off,
Rent ran out. Um. How solid is the footing Jamis
Winston's on in Tampa. Well, you know, Dirk Cutter said,
even when when he made the change as inevitable as
we all knew, it was from Fitzpatrick back to Jameis
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Winston that you know, he said, Winston is gonna be
here longer than I am. So that's a recognition that
he is. He was after to be their franchise quarterback
when they spent the number one overall pick. The reason
Dirt Cutters the head coach at the expense of Love
Smith is because the organization viewed him as his offense
and his coaching as an important component in Jamis Winston's
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early success. So, uh, let's see if he's changed by
this bad experience that he's had. I think most people
would question whether that's likely to change behavior that's existed
for a very long time with this particular player. I'm
not surprised necessarily to see the Fox go out and
use him as a centerpiece of their marketing campaign. I
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think they want to reinforce their relationship with him. Uh.
You know, it's gonna cost him twenty one million dollars
to have him on the roster next year. They've already
committed to that, So I don't really think it's a surprise.
I think it'll be interesting to see if he can
pacify uh and use Mike Evans and DeShawn Jackson as
well as Ryan Fitzpatrick did the first three games of
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the year. Yeah, you know, it's it's It's definitely fascinating
and interesting stuff. Last thing game of the week is
Monday Night Football. Assume Sunday Night Football Kansas City taken
on New England. Um, you go back up weeks ago,
and I think all of us we didn't want to
hit that panic button. We're but we were tempted to
do so, especially watching them in Jacksonville after losing to
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the Lions as well, Like, um, have they fixed everything
or is it simply a matter of who they played well?
I think New England's own an up swing just because
you know now little have had. But this is Josh
Gordon's third third week with the team, Rob Gronkowski's again.
They got Julian Edelman back last week, so I think
there's an expectation that offensively they should improve from this
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point forward, barring any more injuries. But this this is
a huge game for them because their model for getting
to the Super Bowl has been to dominate the a
f C East. Uh, you know, have the best record
in in the a f C, get a home division
round game, and then host the championship game and go
to the Super Bowl. Uh. That's the way they've always
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done it. While if they lose to Kansas City this week,
then they'll effectively be four games behind the Chiefs in
the race for the number one seed long time you
know in the future though it is and you know,
Patrick Mahomes will uh present a different, different player for
them to defend themselves against. But Bill Belichick's had great success.
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He's only making his seventh NFL start. Belichick's ten and
oh against quarterbacks who have started fewer than ten games
against him. So uh, it's a real interesting matchup uh
and and real pivotal in terms of how ultimately uh
you know the playoffs, where they might be, where those
games might be played, whether it's in New England or
Kansas City. At the end of yep, Edward or is
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the NFL Insider. Fallm on Twitter at edward or r
f A and check out his Doomsday podcast. Add great
stuff enjoyed. Thursday Night Football will catch up next week.
Sounds great, Doug, I look forward to it. Thanks. Be
sure to catch live editions, So the Doug dot Leaps
show week days at noon eastern three pm Pacific. We
had Major League Baseball's playoffs getting ready for the World Series.
A L d S gets on the way tomorrow night.
Tonight you got Thursday Night Football Giants against Eagles. Of course,
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America's game of the week on Sundays, the World Series
upcoming college football in the Big Ten. It's amazing. And
the guy who um has to call every one of
these events, he's contractually obligated to do so is Joe Buck,
and he's kind of to join us here on the
Doug Gotlip Show. Joe, how are you? How? How are you?
More importantly, how's the voice holding up? It's okay, It's okay. Thanks.
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I don't know. We'll see at the end of October
and the beginning of November when I'm back to football
full time. But so far, so good. And you know,
I think people make a bigger deal out of doing
all these different games, uh, back to back and multiple
games in a week and all that. You just you
kind of do your work. You you show up and
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you see what happens, and you talk about it. It's
it's not really uh, it's not really rocket science. Um.
Or otherwise there'll be rocket science to send the booth, right,
I mean that's that's the otherwise. Yes, the First Man
movie with Ryan Gosling would be about announcers and not
Neil Armstrong. Um. That's the voice of Joe Buck, who
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joins us tonight down Thursday Night Football Giant's host the Eagles.
The great thing about this, which, of course seven thirty
Eastern Time, four thirty on Fox, is you just saw
the Eagles on Sunday. Right, you guys just called that
the game in Philadelphia, so there's not a ton of
It's not like I gotta go back and watch tape.
You prepped for that one, you prepped for this one.
Have you been able to put your finger on why? Um,
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they're not hitting on all cylinders. I just think they start,
you know, when when your quarterback tears his a c
L among other ligaments and doesn't play at the preseason,
and the first stirring offense, even with Bulls during the preseason,
didn't score any points, and they they look like they
were struggling to get some timing, and then they bring
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the quarterback at back after a couple of weeks wins.
I still think they're searching for some kind of rhythm
that doesn't absolve the offensive line from all the sacks
or the quarterback hits. And once has been sacked twelve
times in three games. That's too much secondary. It looks
a little bit more suspect than it did a year ago.
But I think by the end of the year, when
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you look around at the NFC East, I don't know
how at least as we sit here in week six,
h you don't say Philadelphia is still the best team
in the NFC East. I think that will prove to
be true by the end. It may not be even tonight,
but I think they'll I think they'll win this division
again this year. Joe Buck, who's joining us from MetLife Stadium.
I know because I have a friend who's standing behind
you taking a picture showing showing you in the booth
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getting ready, getting you're doing some prep for tonight's game.
That's seven last week's I'm looking at last week's forward
and basically just transcribing everything that was on last week's
thing to this week's thing. So it's it's like the
greatest copycat experience of a lifetime. Yeah, but look, this
is not like when you're in a fret in college.
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We can go back in last year's tests, right, Like,
that's your own work that you're checking. It's not somebody
else's work. This is not like the work of Tom
Brennaman or Jim I'm not taking Jim Dance's notes from
last week's Fightings Eagles game and taking it from my own.
This is my own work. I'm doing my first NFL
sideline this weekend. I need some advice. Oh my God,
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who are you telling um Bears Dolphins? Well, hello, it's
a good game. I know you got eighty five. I
feel like I want to do flashbacks to eighty five
Bears Dolphins, but like nobody in the field even knows
that game existed. All right, Yeah, it just makes you
feel old, you know. When I started looking at head
coaches now and you go to their age, I was
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just looking at Craig Council getting ready for the Brewers
and the Dodgers tomorrow night, and uh, he's a year
and a half younger than I am. Uh and and
I look at it like a big league manager. Since
I was doing this since I was twenty one, everybody
feels older to me. But I'm basically older than everybody
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I cover now, including the head coach and his assistance.
So it's it's been a nice life change for me
over the last few years. How do you do that?
I mean, like, listen, obviously, we've talked about this before
on air. I know everybody talks about with you off air,
and you've had your book, You've had shows about it
in that people. You know, anything you say is dissected
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and dissected again. How do you but baseball especially, so
much of it is based not just historically, and obviously
you have an encyclopedia brain growing up around the game,
but like, look, you're calling Thursday and Sunday and now
you're thrust into the n L d S and there's
only so much you can prep for it. Like do
you go back and watch every game? How do you
do that level of prep because baseball, especially, the one
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time you say, hey, he's doing well and he's been
doing poorly, people will jump all over you. How do
you prep for two different sports, especially at that level.
You know, at some point you figure out what you
need to know and maybe more importantly, what you don't
need to know, and you find the shortcuts and you
can do it in a way that you know you
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are well versed. I'll know something on everybody in the
lineup tomorrow night for the Dodgers and for the Brewers,
and you know it's Clayton Kershaw's pitching for God's sake
against Geo Gonzalez, who have done in the postseason before,
so it's not like I haven't seen these guys before,
and then you just do the game. I don't know,
I mean, I don't watch a lot of tape. I'll
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watch a game when I come across it. I got
it into a lot of trouble years back when I
said on on a show, you know, I don't watch
all the West Coast speeds of baseball games every night.
I'm a dad, I'm a husband. I'm trying to live
my life. I don't you know why. I see just
about as much as everybody else, and then I read
I think more than anybody else, But then you just
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go do the game. I don't understand why everybody freaks
out about two games in a week. I grew up
doing five, six games in a week, sometimes seven, doing
baseball every day, and you get conditioned for that, and
you know, two games a week is really not that
big of a deal. People work a hell of a
lot harder than I do, and the rest of the world,
no question. It's like when people say, well, I I
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flew so much like you didn't actually fly the plane.
You just sat there and road and people and I
leaped and drank and read and watched uh Netflix whatever
you downloaded. So I I don't know. I'm just not
I'm not a big fan of trying to do the Hey,
I work so hard thing, because everybody works hard. And
I grew up, you know, trailing around after my dad
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with all these games. I mean, he worked ten times
harder than I work and and made probably a tenth
of what I make. And I I saw that as
a boy. That's why I'm doing what I do because
I loved being around him. But he whistled into the
booth and whistled on out and loved every minute of it.
And if he wasn't complaining, my god, I should be
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the last person and the bitch and moan about it. Um.
You know. It's what's interesting is a couple of years ago,
I actually more than a couple of years ago, as
we both talked about how old we've got now, I
told you you nailed it on the I you know,
the the ability to to use your dad's call when
the Cardinals twice were down there last pitch and come
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back in Game six of the World Series against the Rangers,
and of course your call was we'll see you tomorrow night,
which is exactly what your dad said, which is amazing.
I still think it, you know, my favorite call of his.
And again I'm a West Coast guy, sat here him
every night with the Cardinals was Kirk Gibson's home run. Um,
how how much do you do you feel his energy
when you're calling the World Series all the time? Um,
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you know, he wasn't one. I'm just proud to follow
him into this business because there's not anybody I have
ever met in the thirty years I've done it now
that a sentence hasn't started with, Hey, you know, I
worked with your dad back in the eighties. I don't
have to duck and worry about what's what's the second
part of that sentence, you know? And that's none of
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a bitch you know, owes me eight grand or something,
and it's it's none of that. People enjoyed being around him,
And and when I hear those calls like the Kirk
Gibson home runner in my hometown of St. Louis, Yazzi
Smith go crazy, folks go crazy. It was just a
raw emotion that he had and a love of the
game and a love of those players. I mean, he
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he got around these guys, got to know him, consider
them friends. And when I go back and listen to
a Bob Gibson no hitter, he's making the call in
the ninth inning and his voice cracks because he's crying
because he that's the beauty of of sport to him,
and and he loved Bob Gibson. And when I listen
to that, that to me is my favorite call of
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his because he was choked up calling a no hitter.
That's how much he loved it. And uh so I
feel that all the time. There's no way I ever
walked into a booth and there's not some piece of
my dad that I'm carrying in there with me. Yeah,
it's it's interesting, and I don't mean to bore you,
and I'm sure people do still all time. But Gibson's
home run. I was my best friend growing up. Still
my closest friend now is Miles Simon. He's now an
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assistant with the Lakers. Uh he was. We were both
Mets fans because of our He was a Mets fan.
I was messing because my dad was a New Yorker.
And so we're just watching Gibson's and he turns to me.
He's like, Gibson's gonna hit home run. And I was like,
kid ad. He was like, wat, She's gonna home run,
and he your dad perfectly described it. Then he hits it.
And he says, I don't I don't believe what I
just saw. I don't believe what I just saw. And
that's it was the And then he laid out, which
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of course is what what broadcasters all taught to do
and no one ever does, and just let the ambiance
and the crowd noise, and it was amazing. I remember
exactly where I was during that moment. That's the power
of baseball. Baseball moment. All right, let's let's get back
to it tonight. In college, I was in college, and
I was the one dork that was sitting back in
my dorm room watching watching the World Series. Everybody else
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was was out doing something and I was. I was
watching it, So I didn't hear my dad's call because
I was watching it. And I heard Scullies call, which
is just as good and just as poignant and and brilliant.
And he says, you know, in the years he's rounding
the bases and pumping his arms. He staid, in the
year of the improbable, the impossible has happened, which is, like,
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I mean, just so poetic and perfect. Uh, you know,
those are two great calls. That night, the Giants played
at night and um, Uh, it's a hard transition. But
whatever O b J. He has that interview with Josina
Anderson and Little Wayne's there. I know, usually Little Wayne
rolls with Troy, but instead he rolled with with O.
B J. I spent a lot of time together in
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the off suits and not during the year. Um, when
you when you sat down with the Giants before this game,
how how much how much trapnel is there to pick out?
How much is that still an issue within that those
front offices? None. I don't think anybody cares to be
honest with you. I talking to Pat Shermer, and I
think it's because of the way Pat Shermer handled it.
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And if there was any you know, O'Dell said after
the game, you know, hey, that brought this team together,
then I'll do that every time. I to me, it
was more the reaction by the head coach. And that's
for as upset as the Maras and the ownership of
the Giants should have been at Odell Beckham if nothing else,
kind of not really answering the question are you happy
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in New York? The answer should have been the hell yes,
if they've put their money behind me, and I'm gonna
do But but if that wasn't the answers we know.
For as disappointed as they, I'm sure word of that,
they should have been thrilled with the way their first
year had coach handled it. And so I think he
came off and showed exactly what he's all about. And
I don't think anybody cares one lick about that interview
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with the Giants. I think they're worried about the Eagles,
and I don't think it's just you know, bs athletes speaker.
I don't think they care. I I think the media,
it's a It's another example of how the media, and
I'm part of it, and I'm sure we'll talk about
it tonight, the media cares more about it than the
players are the people involved. What about Eli, not in
terms of the criticism, but in in the closing window
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here right, Like they've change coaches, they change coaches, they
change coordinators, they change lines, they get a new running back,
they got the wide receivers back, and yet he's still
kind of getting real quick hot pitating that football and
they're still not as productive as they should be. Um,
what's your sense of of Eli Manning and the idea
that maybe father time is is announcing his presence. Well,
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I think I think it's a convergence of all that stuff. Yeah,
they change the offensive line. That doesn't mean the offensive
line is good. Uh, it doesn't mean that you know,
they've they've solved the riddle. Uh, they're better than they were,
But I don't know that they're opening gaping holes for Parkley,
who's impressive a guy on the field as he is
off the field. Uh, what a good kid he is.
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And you know, we'll see if they can squeeze another
year out of Eli Manning, another two years out of
Eli Manning. Fine, they obviously didn't view those other quarterbacks
as franchise guys. They viewed the running back as a
generational running back, and he may very well be. But
it doesn't mean they have to buy into the hype
on darn Old or any of the other guys. And
they're gonna have to hope that they can squeeze two
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years out of Eli Manning and and that backham and
in this offensive line you know, continues to gell and
get better. But if it doesn't, then they're not gonna win.
If it does, then they got a shot in a
really bad division. Well, listen, I have a great call tonight.
Can't wait to hear you Troy and um And and
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Aaron on the game with the defending champions taken on
the Giants and then safe travels to Milwaukee. Can't wait
to hear that call of Kershaw versus Jo Gonzalez game
one of the n LDS. Big time for you. Thanks
so much for joining us, Joe, Always a pleasure, alright, Doug, anytime,
Thanks all right man, Joe Buck joining us on The
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We'll get to that upcoming Thursday Night Football. By the way,
he should be pointed out that Thursday Football, I believe
is a stunning success for Fox. But what the NFL
has done is what the NBA did to Saturday night hoops.
They have squashed it for college hoops and for college football,
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like you have to and I understand some of this
is because of conference alignment, but if you go back
to when I was in school, and it wasn't that
long ago. I was for a lot of long ago.
But you go back to nineties, early two thousand's Thursday
night football, you would have the old beat, you'd have
the Big East, you'd have Miami at Virginia Tech. Right,
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remember those days. Beamer Ball in in the nineties was
made Thursday night football. Great games, great games. They're still
Thursday night games, just no one watches them because if
you watch football, you're gonna watch the National Football League anyway.
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Everyone still talking not
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just about Thursday night football. We're a day away from
the nl LCS getting on the way on Fox, but
we're also uh waiting for Tuesday night's NBA tip off.
And instead of freaking out over how the Warriors looked
or Trey Young hitting at thirty five foot at all
(02:16):
win a preseason game, and making over making paralysis by
analysis on preseason games, let's talk about the latest drama.
Jimmy Butler in this story broke in show yesterday Jimmy
Butler and shamp Sharani, who works for Stadium Now, recently
tweeted out that there was a player's only meeting led
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by Jimmy Butler, and he committed to wanting to compete
with the player. With the current group of Timberwolves. Other
players spoke up, and that appears to be the way
in which the Timberwolves are leaning that he's gonna play
with these guys. You go back, and he had an
interview yesterday just so happened to have interview set up
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with Rachel Nichols right after the practice in which he
led the Scrubs to a victory in a scrimmage. He
was Jimmy Butler sitting down with Rachel Nichols, and that's
raw me, me, at my finest me, And I'm curious.
That's what you're gonna get inside the lines. It could be.
It could be, but uh do I think so? No,
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because you gotta be honest. I'm being honest. Do I
think so? No, I'm being honest with you. But it
is everybody gonna be honest. No, No, everybody's not gonna
be honest. Like if you go and say, which one
are y'all told what Jimmy said today in practice? Everybody, Oh,
I don't I don't know, be honest, I don't care.
It ain't nothing we can do about it now, let
be honest. So Jimmy Butler hurt by the dishonesty within
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the locker room, the leaks in the locker room. It
is ironic. It is ironic that Jimmy Butler wants honesty,
and yet it just so happens to have an interview
with Rachel Nichols set up when this incident just so
happens to have happened. Right. But among the things that
people don't react well to remember, we talked about Odell
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Beckham Jr. Essentially calling out his team is having no
heart and um he said that he felt like he
was being schemed out. So he's talking about the coaching
staff and he said, we gotta play with great effort,
meaning he's saying guys don't play hard. That that attacks coaching.
Coaches have to get their guys to play as hard
as possible. Calling somebody a liar is not is not
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a way to endear yourself as a leader. I I
understand what Jimmy Butler. Jimmy Butler is trying to execute
a hostile takeover of the Minnesota Timberwolves. Hey look, I'll
stay here, I'll play here. We're gonna do it my way.
And I'm going to be the leader. And this some
of this goes back to articles written when he was
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in Chicago in we all have egos, right there's there
isn't a human being that's successful that doesn't have an ego.
Text Winner passed away last night at the age of nineties.
Of course, most of you know text Winner because of
the triangle offense, something that unless you understand basketball, and
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even guys that understand basketball don't understand what the triangle
offense is, how it's executed, and how it allowed uh
Phil Jackson to win eleven titles in Chicago and in
Los Angeles. But Phil ja but but text Winner, in
spite of the fact that he was ultimately awarded as
a Basketball Hall of Famer, he may have had an ego.
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He just hit it quite nicely. He did so with
self deprecating humor. And I'm not saying it's wrong for
an NBA player to have an ego, especially a star
player to have an ego. I believe Jimmy Butler is
a star player. I don't believe he's a superstar, but
I believe he's a star player. But Butler's ego outside
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out is is too large. For his actual game and
too large to work with others right like. And I
find this actually with my own son. So my son's
nine years old and we're trying to figure out what
he's going to be best at because he loves just
about everything. He plays basketball, he's okay, but he really
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likes playing with the team. He plays baseball, he's good. Um,
he's very good. He's a lefty who hits right. He
We're gonna have to we gotta turn around here this offseason.
He plays tennis, he's pretty good. He actually plays right handed,
even though he's left handed in life. He plays football.
He's very very good as a as a wide receiver.
But do we want him playing football? And ultimately is
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that the way he wants to go? And when sitting
down with my wife and trying to decide, hey, what
what sport? You know he used to play soccer, thinks
about wanting to go back out for soccer, at some
point you do have to whittle down the number of sports.
And the reason that even though he loves tennis, I
don't think he's a tennis player is because he feeds
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off the energy of others and loves winning and even losing.
As a team. He is a team guy. You have
to be able to function within the locker room. Now,
each sport is different in terms of the team right.
In baseball, you gotta get along with people socially, and
you do need to to work together. You know, yah
cel Peig not hitting the cutoff man early in his
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career and some of the things he didn't do to
endear himself hurt him with the team. But the truth
is in baseball, if you're a pitcher, um, if you're
a catcher. If you're a pitcher, you're a relief pitcher,
you're a pinch hitter, you're unless you're a catcher, you
don't really have to have great relationships with everybody on
your team. In football, it's more about your position group
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and your side of the ball. In basketball, you do
it's it's a very much. It's I think the most
team event because you both play offense, you both play
defense together, and when you're on the court, you need
all five guys functioning together as one. Jimmy Butler is
almost he's more like a baseball player, more like a
tennis player. Then he is like a basketball player. I
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I understand he has a sizeable ego and that he
feels like his competitive spirit is greater than some of
the other younger players on the team, like a Karl
Anthony Towns. I get that, But in addition to not
understanding his own place within the lineage of star players
in the NBA, I'm not sure he understands other people's egos.
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When he says I'm being honest and the way in
which he says it, he's calling out the lack of
honesty of others. I don't think there's any doubt in
my mind he believes Karl Anthony Towns is a one
who runs to the media because Karl Anthony town is
the media darling, and Karl Anthony Towns when he gets
done playing, couldn't be in the media. Nobody likes being
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called a liar. Ever watched the Western What gets the
guys to stand up and go out and have a
have a draw? You call me a liar? Right, it's
not just his ego. We all have him, and you're
not going to be homeless growing up to becoming a
star in college and a I mean a star in
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college and then a second round pick and uh, all
NBA guy and all star in the pros unless you
believe in yourself, but believing in yourself to the detriment
of others. When your ego not only outside of your talent,
but but uh, but questions the ego, confidence and legitimacy
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of others, you run the risk of alienating yourself off
and you may end up leading this ship. But if
if two teams are tired of the way in which
you want hostile takeovers to take place, it becomes really
hard to find a third team that's gonna buy in
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and and go all in. The Butler thing is fascinating.
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one of the teams that I mean, like all the teams.
You have a ton of knowledge about what's going on
inside their front offices. But one of the teams that
you know, maybe better than anybody on earth, is the
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Dallas Cowboys. What's what's the sense of Jason Garrett's job
status is many have come out and said he could
be the first one to go if things don't change
in Big d I don't see him getting fired during
the season. Jerry Jones has excused every coach the Cowboys
have ever had, from Tom Landry to Jimmy Johnson to
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Bill Parcelves. But he's only once replaced the coach during
the season, and that was Wade Phillips when the Cowboys
at a Sunday night nationally televised game lost to the
Packers to seven, and it became quite obvious that the
team had quit on on Wade Phillips, and he had
Jason Garrett to give the job to. So Garrett somebody
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that you know, Jerry Jones has always coveted, and so
I do think that he came into this season having
to win to remain the Cowboys coach, and I think
he put himself in some jeopardy with his decision the
other night to punt him the on the first possession.
Uh in in the of overtime against Houston on the road,
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Jerry Jones himself said that they were being outplayed and
that was a situation where taking a risk might have
been necessary. And this is the league where you know,
Doug Peterson won a Super Bowl with bold decisions, and
even earlier in the day last Sunday, Sean McVeigh went
for it on fourth down on his own side of
the field with the lead to close out the Seahawks. So, uh,
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there's a lot of criticism in the building, even of Garrett.
I talked to a source over there who said, quote,
You've got to play to win on the road. I
don't know about us being the lesser team, but if
your mantra is fight, as Garrett's is, then you go
into a fight swinging, not running around the ring in
the final uh round of the match with the judges
having even on the scorecards. So I think he's placed
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himself in some jeopardy, But I don't think I think
he's gonna get the full season before his fate is
ultimately determined. Yeah, it's it's fascinating. The the interesting thing
about McVeigh, who's being championed. McVeigh was gonna punt. He
was gonna punt, and then Pete and then Pete Carroll
called time out and the players like, hey, we don't,
we don't, we don't want to punt, we want to
go for let's end the game. And it end up
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working out. It is really um, it is very interesting.
And then you know, look the juxtaposition of that decision
with last week in Indie on the other side of
the field, the forty three yard line, the Colts go
for it, don't get it, and lose the game to
the exact same team. The Texans like, there's a lot,
there's there's a lot kind of going on there. Um,
what what about the blame for the offensive? Um, the
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offensive inadequacies? Does that on him? Shot? I mean Scott Line.
I know they changed position coaches, but the kept Linahan
and the thought was, hey, we'll go with an ensemble
cast and to this point it hasn't worked with those
wide receivers. Kind of one of the odd decisions that
Jerry Jones made that should almost never see anywhere else
in the league. After last season seven and nine disappointment, UH,
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there was some pressure to fire UH Jason Garrett at
that time. Instead Jerry Jones comes up this concept where
he keeps the head coach and the two coordinators and
and basically replaces most of the position coaches and believe
that that could make significant difference. They're in a situation
now where, you know, coming into this season, it was
believed that Dak Prescott, uh you know, would have another
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good year. The Cowboys would then be allowed to renegotiate
his contract for the first time going into his fourth year,
and that they would pay him franchise quarterback tight money.
I'm not so sure that's going to happen now. A
lot of concern despite all the rules changes and the
record number of points being scored to this point, record
number of touchdowns being scored to this point, you know,
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the Cowboys are in scoring ahead of only two teams
starting rookie quarterbacks, the Bills and the Cardinals. They're averaging
sixteen points a game. There's all kinds of questions about
Dak Prescott's accuracy, which has fallen every year from to current.
His yards of per game passing have gone from toe
to two oh nine to currently one uh and, and
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he just doesn't seem to be able to elevate this
average group of receivers that the Cowboys have put around him,
And I think that's a noteworthy point, Doug. You know
they they claim that they think he's a franchise quarterback. Well,
I think if you really believe that, then you do
with the Eagles and the Rams and the Bears have
done for their young quarterbacks. You know, Carson Wentz and
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Jared Goff and Mr Tropisk you out and you assemble
as strong as supporting cast for them to have success
as you can. And that's certainly not what the Cowboys
have done and staid they let um. You know, Jason
Witten retired after fifteen years. They didn't have an adequate
replacement for him, has become obvious. And then Dez Bryant
was released in the Cowboys shouldn't have done that if
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they didn't have somebody better, and clearly they don't. Yeah,
the Dez Bryant thing is interesting, Like I get that
he had he wasn't a number one wide receiver, but
you didn't you didn't have a plan beat or any
of the guys they signed to replace it, and they
didn't do that. And you know it's interesting now that
you know Dez has been trolling them on Twitter every
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time they play. And at the same time, he's made
it very clear that that he's opened coming back and
forgiving everything that happened. And obviously we talked about last
week about all the criticism he levied at certain people
in the organization, including key players and the head coach
and the offensive coordinator. So maybe it's not a situation
that can be repaired, Um, but it's interesting that he's
(16:24):
willing to do it. Yeah, it's very interesting. Doug out
the show here on Fox Sports Radio, Edward Or is
our guest. Um, tonight, you have the Giants taken on
the Philadelphia Eagles, and a lot of people are focused
on the Giants, rightfully so, because of the decisions they
made in the draft, disian decisions they made in free agency.
But what about the Philadelphia Eagles. Here's a team that
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had their chest puffed out after when the Super Bowl.
We took chances, we went for we have fun. You know,
you lose your quarterback, coach and your offensive coordinator. That's
what happens when you're successful. Um, you didn't have your
quarterback first couple of games, also didn't have all Sean
Jeffrey now got a running now you got an issue
at at at running back with injury. Um, how how
stable is that team? As look, they're one and a
(17:08):
half point favorite, but they lose night there, two and
four right now, coming off a dominant year in a
Super Bowl championship year. Yeah, since Carson Wentz returned UM
in Week three, they're just one and two. Uh. They've
obviously been forced into a position where they're playing from
behind a lot more often, uh this season so far
than they did a year ago. Uh. Wentz has not
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been particularly good in that Um. You know, he really
took advantages of third down, of defenses on third down
last year had the highest completion percentage in the league. Land,
he's got the lowest completion percentage in the league when
he's pressured. Uh, He's he's only completed like of his passes.
All of his success has come when he's not been pressured.
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In the offensive line. You know, Lane Johnson, the right guard,
the right tackle, went on the injury report today with
an ankle injury. The interesting to see if he plays. Uh.
You men in the running back situation, they lost J
I E. So there's a real expectation, I think, given
that they cleared some cap space by redoing Fletcher Cox's
contract and creating six and a half million dollars worth
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of cap space, that they're going to make a move
I at the running back position like they did last
year when they acquired a jot E in a trade
with the Dolphins right at the deadline. They've got till
the end of the month. I asked about Levian Bell
with a source there who said that Bell uh is
too expensive currently in their mind, but a player who
may not be Uh certainly is not as expensive in
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terms of payroll. Is Lashawn McCoy on a rebuilding team
in Buffalo. And you know, Sean McDermott, the head coach,
didn't exactly come out and say no to the reports
that have surfaced that there might be a potential trade
between the two organizations. And Howie Roseman is a guy
we know as a general manager, is one of the
most aggressive gms in the league. And I think that
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that kind of move might send the right message to
his team, just like the move for a jot you
did last year. That's the voice of Edwarder. He's joining
us in the Doug Gotlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
I did mention that the Giants. Um, the g men
came out and played a hard fought, spirited game, which
they lost on the sixty three yard field goal. But
they're also dealing with during the given before the game
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and then after the game the interview with that Odell
Beckham Junior had with Josina Anderson, which Little Wayne made
an appearance. You look, before the season, they signed him
to a contract contract extension, and my thought was like,
what is the rush? You know, you go back three
months before the contract and he was in a room
with a woman and there was coke in the room
and there was talk of them being done with him
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with the franchise. Now like three months of good behavior,
like okay, And I wanted to see how he handled adversity.
And this is how he handles adversity. Calls out teammates,
he calls out his coaching staff, he calls out their
heart Like, Um, how's how's Odell Beckham Junior view viewed
right now with the Giants? Well, I'm sure that um
with Dave Gettleman, the general manager, uh the ownership and
(20:03):
uh Pat Shermer That yeah, Pat Shermer, that there's you know,
a real sense of betrayal here. Because they they did
give him big money. Uh, they felt like he earned
it by the way he interacted with them during the
off season, and then as soon as he gets the
money a month later, he's you know, he's not showing
(20:24):
confidence in Eli Manning as a quarterback. He's not even
saying that that this is where he wants to spend
the rest of his career. He's talking about going to
Los Angeles. But then he goes out and has a
relatively brilliant performance on the field. Was certainly adventurous. He
fumbled a punt and and was tackled and and the
Panther score touchdown on that play. He threw for a touchdown,
he caught a touchdown pass. Uh, So that's I'm sure
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they're not thrilled with the maturity level of the guy,
but they recognize his value as one of the real
playmakers in the game. And obviously they committed in the
draft to another season with Eli mann at thirty seven
by taking shake Chakawan. Barkley has been terrific, So that
remains to be seen. But I'm sure there's misgivings about
what they did. Uh. He certainly didn't reinforce the decision
(21:10):
is a good one for the Giants with his behavior
in front of the television cameras last week, Doug Olive show,
Fox Portraito, that's the voice of Edward or he joins us.
You know, it's interesting, it's kind of quietly what's happened
during the last week. Jameis Winston now back as a
starting quarterback, and they're using him um in their ad
campaigns and their marketing campaigns building up for for this weekend.
(21:32):
Coming off that three game suspension. Obviously fits played really
well up until you know, obviously fits Magic ran off,
Rent ran out. Um. How solid is the footing Jamis
Winston's on in Tampa. Well, you know, Dirk Cutter said,
even when when he made the change as inevitable as
we all knew, it was from Fitzpatrick back to Jameis
(21:53):
Winston that you know, he said, Winston is gonna be
here longer than I am. So that's a recognition that
he is. He was after to be their franchise quarterback
when they spent the number one overall pick. The reason
Dirt Cutters the head coach at the expense of Love
Smith is because the organization viewed him as his offense
and his coaching as an important component in Jamis Winston's
(22:14):
early success. So, uh, let's see if he's changed by
this bad experience that he's had. I think most people
would question whether that's likely to change behavior that's existed
for a very long time with this particular player. I'm
not surprised necessarily to see the Fox go out and
use him as a centerpiece of their marketing campaign. I
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think they want to reinforce their relationship with him. Uh.
You know, it's gonna cost him twenty one million dollars
to have him on the roster next year. They've already
committed to that, So I don't really think it's a surprise.
I think it'll be interesting to see if he can
pacify uh and use Mike Evans and DeShawn Jackson as
well as Ryan Fitzpatrick did the first three games of
(22:56):
the year. Yeah, you know, it's it's It's definitely fascinating
and interesting stuff. Last thing game of the week is
Monday Night Football. Assume Sunday Night Football Kansas City taken
on New England. Um, you go back up weeks ago,
and I think all of us we didn't want to
hit that panic button. We're but we were tempted to
do so, especially watching them in Jacksonville after losing to
(23:17):
the Lions as well, Like, um, have they fixed everything
or is it simply a matter of who they played well?
I think New England's own an up swing just because
you know now little have had. But this is Josh
Gordon's third third week with the team, Rob Gronkowski's again.
They got Julian Edelman back last week, so I think
there's an expectation that offensively they should improve from this
(23:40):
point forward, barring any more injuries. But this this is
a huge game for them because their model for getting
to the Super Bowl has been to dominate the a
f C East. Uh, you know, have the best record
in in the a f C, get a home division
round game, and then host the championship game and go
to the Super Bowl. Uh. That's the way they've always
(24:00):
done it. While if they lose to Kansas City this week,
then they'll effectively be four games behind the Chiefs in
the race for the number one seed long time you
know in the future though it is and you know,
Patrick Mahomes will uh present a different, different player for
them to defend themselves against. But Bill Belichick's had great success.
(24:23):
He's only making his seventh NFL start. Belichick's ten and
oh against quarterbacks who have started fewer than ten games
against him. So uh, it's a real interesting matchup uh
and and real pivotal in terms of how ultimately uh
you know the playoffs, where they might be, where those
games might be played, whether it's in New England or
Kansas City. At the end of yep, Edward or is
(24:44):
the NFL Insider. Fallm on Twitter at edward or r
f A and check out his Doomsday podcast. Add great
stuff enjoyed. Thursday Night Football will catch up next week.
Sounds great, Doug, I look forward to it. Thanks. Be
sure to catch live editions, So the Doug dot Leaps
show week days at noon eastern three pm Pacific. We
had Major League Baseball's playoffs getting ready for the World Series.
A L d S gets on the way tomorrow night.
Tonight you got Thursday Night Football Giants against Eagles. Of course,
(25:09):
America's game of the week on Sundays, the World Series
upcoming college football in the Big Ten. It's amazing. And
the guy who um has to call every one of
these events, he's contractually obligated to do so is Joe Buck,
and he's kind of to join us here on the
Doug Gotlip Show. Joe, how are you? How? How are you?
More importantly, how's the voice holding up? It's okay, It's okay. Thanks.
(25:32):
I don't know. We'll see at the end of October
and the beginning of November when I'm back to football
full time. But so far, so good. And you know,
I think people make a bigger deal out of doing
all these different games, uh, back to back and multiple
games in a week and all that. You just you
kind of do your work. You you show up and
(25:52):
you see what happens, and you talk about it. It's
it's not really uh, it's not really rocket science. Um.
Or otherwise there'll be rocket science to send the booth, right,
I mean that's that's the otherwise. Yes, the First Man
movie with Ryan Gosling would be about announcers and not
Neil Armstrong. Um. That's the voice of Joe Buck, who
(26:12):
joins us tonight down Thursday Night Football Giant's host the Eagles.
The great thing about this, which, of course seven thirty
Eastern Time, four thirty on Fox, is you just saw
the Eagles on Sunday. Right, you guys just called that
the game in Philadelphia, so there's not a ton of
It's not like I gotta go back and watch tape.
You prepped for that one, you prepped for this one.
Have you been able to put your finger on why? Um,
(26:34):
they're not hitting on all cylinders. I just think they start,
you know, when when your quarterback tears his a c
L among other ligaments and doesn't play at the preseason,
and the first stirring offense, even with Bulls during the preseason,
didn't score any points, and they they look like they
were struggling to get some timing, and then they bring
(26:54):
the quarterback at back after a couple of weeks wins.
I still think they're searching for some kind of rhythm
that doesn't absolve the offensive line from all the sacks
or the quarterback hits. And once has been sacked twelve
times in three games. That's too much secondary. It looks
a little bit more suspect than it did a year ago.
But I think by the end of the year, when
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you look around at the NFC East, I don't know
how at least as we sit here in week six,
h you don't say Philadelphia is still the best team
in the NFC East. I think that will prove to
be true by the end. It may not be even tonight,
but I think they'll I think they'll win this division
again this year. Joe Buck, who's joining us from MetLife Stadium.
I know because I have a friend who's standing behind
you taking a picture showing showing you in the booth
(27:39):
getting ready, getting you're doing some prep for tonight's game.
That's seven last week's I'm looking at last week's forward
and basically just transcribing everything that was on last week's
thing to this week's thing. So it's it's like the
greatest copycat experience of a lifetime. Yeah, but look, this
is not like when you're in a fret in college.
(28:00):
We can go back in last year's tests, right, Like,
that's your own work that you're checking. It's not somebody
else's work. This is not like the work of Tom
Brennaman or Jim I'm not taking Jim Dance's notes from
last week's Fightings Eagles game and taking it from my own.
This is my own work. I'm doing my first NFL
sideline this weekend. I need some advice. Oh my God,
(28:21):
who are you telling um Bears Dolphins? Well, hello, it's
a good game. I know you got eighty five. I
feel like I want to do flashbacks to eighty five
Bears Dolphins, but like nobody in the field even knows
that game existed. All right, Yeah, it just makes you
feel old, you know. When I started looking at head
coaches now and you go to their age, I was
(28:44):
just looking at Craig Council getting ready for the Brewers
and the Dodgers tomorrow night, and uh, he's a year
and a half younger than I am. Uh and and
I look at it like a big league manager. Since
I was doing this since I was twenty one, everybody
feels older to me. But I'm basically older than everybody
(29:05):
I cover now, including the head coach and his assistance.
So it's it's been a nice life change for me
over the last few years. How do you do that?
I mean, like, listen, obviously, we've talked about this before
on air. I know everybody talks about with you off air,
and you've had your book, You've had shows about it
in that people. You know, anything you say is dissected
(29:27):
and dissected again. How do you but baseball especially, so
much of it is based not just historically, and obviously
you have an encyclopedia brain growing up around the game,
but like, look, you're calling Thursday and Sunday and now
you're thrust into the n L d S and there's
only so much you can prep for it. Like do
you go back and watch every game? How do you
do that level of prep because baseball, especially, the one
(29:50):
time you say, hey, he's doing well and he's been
doing poorly, people will jump all over you. How do
you prep for two different sports, especially at that level.
You know, at some point you figure out what you
need to know and maybe more importantly, what you don't
need to know, and you find the shortcuts and you
can do it in a way that you know you
(30:11):
are well versed. I'll know something on everybody in the
lineup tomorrow night for the Dodgers and for the Brewers,
and you know it's Clayton Kershaw's pitching for God's sake
against Geo Gonzalez, who have done in the postseason before,
so it's not like I haven't seen these guys before,
and then you just do the game. I don't know,
I mean, I don't watch a lot of tape. I'll
(30:32):
watch a game when I come across it. I got
it into a lot of trouble years back when I
said on on a show, you know, I don't watch
all the West Coast speeds of baseball games every night.
I'm a dad, I'm a husband. I'm trying to live
my life. I don't you know why. I see just
about as much as everybody else, and then I read
I think more than anybody else, But then you just
(30:52):
go do the game. I don't understand why everybody freaks
out about two games in a week. I grew up
doing five, six games in a week, sometimes seven, doing
baseball every day, and you get conditioned for that, and
you know, two games a week is really not that
big of a deal. People work a hell of a
lot harder than I do, and the rest of the world,
no question. It's like when people say, well, I I
(31:14):
flew so much like you didn't actually fly the plane.
You just sat there and road and people and I
leaped and drank and read and watched uh Netflix whatever
you downloaded. So I I don't know. I'm just not
I'm not a big fan of trying to do the Hey,
I work so hard thing, because everybody works hard. And
I grew up, you know, trailing around after my dad
(31:37):
with all these games. I mean, he worked ten times
harder than I work and and made probably a tenth
of what I make. And I I saw that as
a boy. That's why I'm doing what I do because
I loved being around him. But he whistled into the
booth and whistled on out and loved every minute of it.
And if he wasn't complaining, my god, I should be
(31:59):
the last person and the bitch and moan about it. Um.
You know. It's what's interesting is a couple of years ago,
I actually more than a couple of years ago, as
we both talked about how old we've got now, I
told you you nailed it on the I you know,
the the ability to to use your dad's call when
the Cardinals twice were down there last pitch and come
(32:19):
back in Game six of the World Series against the Rangers,
and of course your call was we'll see you tomorrow night,
which is exactly what your dad said, which is amazing.
I still think it, you know, my favorite call of his.
And again I'm a West Coast guy, sat here him
every night with the Cardinals was Kirk Gibson's home run. Um,
how how much do you do you feel his energy
when you're calling the World Series all the time? Um,
(32:43):
you know, he wasn't one. I'm just proud to follow
him into this business because there's not anybody I have
ever met in the thirty years I've done it now
that a sentence hasn't started with, Hey, you know, I
worked with your dad back in the eighties. I don't
have to duck and worry about what's what's the second
part of that sentence, you know? And that's none of
(33:03):
a bitch you know, owes me eight grand or something,
and it's it's none of that. People enjoyed being around him,
And and when I hear those calls like the Kirk
Gibson home runner in my hometown of St. Louis, Yazzi
Smith go crazy, folks go crazy. It was just a
raw emotion that he had and a love of the
game and a love of those players. I mean, he
(33:23):
he got around these guys, got to know him, consider
them friends. And when I go back and listen to
a Bob Gibson no hitter, he's making the call in
the ninth inning and his voice cracks because he's crying
because he that's the beauty of of sport to him,
and and he loved Bob Gibson. And when I listen
to that, that to me is my favorite call of
(33:43):
his because he was choked up calling a no hitter.
That's how much he loved it. And uh so I
feel that all the time. There's no way I ever
walked into a booth and there's not some piece of
my dad that I'm carrying in there with me. Yeah,
it's it's interesting, and I don't mean to bore you,
and I'm sure people do still all time. But Gibson's
home run. I was my best friend growing up. Still
my closest friend now is Miles Simon. He's now an
(34:05):
assistant with the Lakers. Uh he was. We were both
Mets fans because of our He was a Mets fan.
I was messing because my dad was a New Yorker.
And so we're just watching Gibson's and he turns to me.
He's like, Gibson's gonna hit home run. And I was like,
kid ad. He was like, wat, She's gonna home run,
and he your dad perfectly described it. Then he hits it.
And he says, I don't I don't believe what I
just saw. I don't believe what I just saw. And
that's it was the And then he laid out, which
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of course is what what broadcasters all taught to do
and no one ever does, and just let the ambiance
and the crowd noise, and it was amazing. I remember
exactly where I was during that moment. That's the power
of baseball. Baseball moment. All right, let's let's get back
to it tonight. In college, I was in college, and
I was the one dork that was sitting back in
my dorm room watching watching the World Series. Everybody else
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was was out doing something and I was. I was
watching it, So I didn't hear my dad's call because
I was watching it. And I heard Scullies call, which
is just as good and just as poignant and and brilliant.
And he says, you know, in the years he's rounding
the bases and pumping his arms. He staid, in the
year of the improbable, the impossible has happened, which is, like,
(35:09):
I mean, just so poetic and perfect. Uh, you know,
those are two great calls. That night, the Giants played
at night and um, Uh, it's a hard transition. But
whatever O b J. He has that interview with Josina
Anderson and Little Wayne's there. I know, usually Little Wayne
rolls with Troy, but instead he rolled with with O.
B J. I spent a lot of time together in
(35:32):
the off suits and not during the year. Um, when
you when you sat down with the Giants before this game,
how how much how much trapnel is there to pick out?
How much is that still an issue within that those
front offices? None. I don't think anybody cares to be
honest with you. I talking to Pat Shermer, and I
think it's because of the way Pat Shermer handled it.
(35:54):
And if there was any you know, O'Dell said after
the game, you know, hey, that brought this team together,
then I'll do that every time. I to me, it
was more the reaction by the head coach. And that's
for as upset as the Maras and the ownership of
the Giants should have been at Odell Beckham if nothing else,
kind of not really answering the question are you happy
(36:17):
in New York? The answer should have been the hell yes,
if they've put their money behind me, and I'm gonna
do But but if that wasn't the answers we know.
For as disappointed as they, I'm sure word of that,
they should have been thrilled with the way their first
year had coach handled it. And so I think he
came off and showed exactly what he's all about. And
I don't think anybody cares one lick about that interview
(36:40):
with the Giants. I think they're worried about the Eagles,
and I don't think it's just you know, bs athletes speaker.
I don't think they care. I I think the media,
it's a It's another example of how the media, and
I'm part of it, and I'm sure we'll talk about
it tonight, the media cares more about it than the
players are the people involved. What about Eli, not in
terms of the criticism, but in in the closing window
(37:02):
here right, Like they've change coaches, they change coaches, they
change coordinators, they change lines, they get a new running back,
they got the wide receivers back, and yet he's still
kind of getting real quick hot pitating that football and
they're still not as productive as they should be. Um,
what's your sense of of Eli Manning and the idea
that maybe father time is is announcing his presence. Well,
(37:24):
I think I think it's a convergence of all that stuff. Yeah,
they change the offensive line. That doesn't mean the offensive
line is good. Uh, it doesn't mean that you know,
they've they've solved the riddle. Uh, they're better than they were,
But I don't know that they're opening gaping holes for Parkley,
who's impressive a guy on the field as he is
off the field. Uh, what a good kid he is.
(37:45):
And you know, we'll see if they can squeeze another
year out of Eli Manning, another two years out of
Eli Manning. Fine, they obviously didn't view those other quarterbacks
as franchise guys. They viewed the running back as a
generational running back, and he may very well be. But
it doesn't mean they have to buy into the hype
on darn Old or any of the other guys. And
they're gonna have to hope that they can squeeze two
(38:07):
years out of Eli Manning and and that backham and
in this offensive line you know, continues to gell and
get better. But if it doesn't, then they're not gonna win.
If it does, then they got a shot in a
really bad division. Well, listen, I have a great call tonight.
Can't wait to hear you Troy and um And and
(38:28):
Aaron on the game with the defending champions taken on
the Giants and then safe travels to Milwaukee. Can't wait
to hear that call of Kershaw versus Jo Gonzalez game
one of the n LDS. Big time for you. Thanks
so much for joining us, Joe, Always a pleasure, alright, Doug, anytime,
Thanks all right man, Joe Buck joining us on The
Doug Otlip Show Live from MetLife. Getting you ready for
Thursday Night Football, which is on Fox
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