October 11, 2025 • 51 mins
On this edition of The Best Of The Week Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug reacts to the news that the Browns traded Joe Flacco to the Bengals.
On this installment of The Midway, Doug and the crew mention their favorite signature moments by great baseball players.
Doug and the crew break down what happened at the end of the Dodgers game Thursday night as Phillies reliever Orion Kerkering made a catastrophic mistake.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
MM.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Welcome in What a day and sport a night in sports? Huh?
Was that good? Or was that good? Man? That's amazing? Yeah,
you got Jason Stewart proved wrong but right, and you
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try and run a play but it involves a bunt
and anti bunt. Guy had a had a great night.
Not last night with with the Dodgers hanging out to
beat the Phillies, plus the Brewers took a commanding two
games done lead on the Cubs. We got to get
to that. We had Thursday Night football where the Jaguars, Yes,
(01:09):
I said, the Jaguars moved to four and one. Was
that Monday Night Football? Sorry, I said, Thursday Football My mistake.
Just all the days crammed together. Monday Night football where
the Jaguars take down the Chiefs. More issues with the Chiefs,
But I think we got to start with the story
of the day, which is breaking news. You've heard it
from Dan Byer, You've heard it here on Fox Sports Radio.
(01:32):
Joe Flaco is now a Bengal and in division trade
in division trade from a guy who was the starter
for the Browns. Then the Browns pulled him. They started
Dylan Gabriel and now it's Dylan Gabriel and the backup
is Shoudure Sanders. Wow.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
The trade has not been confirmed yet, but Adam Shefter
did report it. Oh, I'm sorry it should or being
two is not confirmed yet. I'm sure they'll bring in
an old head, you know, to be part of that
that room. But man, is that crazy?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Right?
Speaker 1 (02:16):
It's not crazy? It's the Browns. I actually think that
should be their slogo, slogan. What do you guys think
about that? Right? Like the Raiders is just win baby, huh.
For a long time, the Patriots and then the Saints
(02:36):
were do your job. What if the Browns said, it's
that crazy? It's the Browns? Like, yeah, that that tracks,
that really tracks. So Joe Flacco to the Bengals because
the Bengals are they have to win. You'll only go
get Jay Flaco if you feel like anything's better than
what we're throwing out there. Cameron Wolf of the NFL
(03:00):
Media is reporting that Shadoor is going to be number two.
My guess is they go and get out in the
street and they find a guy, either practice squad or
a number three. But that is like, there's never a
dull moment with the Browns, a team that there's no
reason we should pay attention to, except for they had
four quarterbacks. Now they have two, and the two that
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had experienced as starters, one who won a Super Bowl,
is now playing for their arch rival, and they're left
with Dylan Gabriel and Shadoor Sanders, who I can't tell
you what he's done at practice, but you know, up
until recently he wasn't even their scout team quarterback. Then
of course last week he was doing the miming, you know,
speaking silently when asked questions after Dylan Gabriel's name starter.
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Now he's the Backup's that's Lane Kiffen early in his
career failing up from Shador Sanders. That's remarkable, that's crazy.
It's not crazy, Sam, It's not crazy.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
It's Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
It's the Browns.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
The Browns, it's the Browns.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
I don't remember an Indivision trade of a starting quarterback
since Donovan McNabb. McNabb remember, was traded from the Eagles
where he had taken them to the super Bowl to
the then Washington Redskins. And like, wow, that's an interesting
trade you trade Indivision, Like, oh, he's washed up. Everybody
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knows what Flacco is. I don't think he's washed out,
but he's obviously not the player he used to be.
But the Bengals are in such desperate need of somebody
who can get rid of the football, and they do
have some talent there. Think about if your Joe Flacco,
you went from having to worry about a rookie third
string quarterback who's a fifth round draft pick and what
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he was going to say to the media to where
now you have Jamar Chase to throw the football too.
That's failing up as well. That's not that's not bad.
It's not bad. Does make sense, but also really interesting.
Kirk Cousins hasn't been moved now. Part of it is
kirk Cousins makes a lot more money than Flaco is
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Placo does, but Kirk Cousins just sitting there as a backup,
not doing anything, whereas Joe Flacco is on the move
yet again, and this going to the Cincinnati Bengals. All right,
we'll circle back to that one in a moment. But oh,
you had something. I'm sorry there, buyer, go.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Ahead, Yeah, this is This is the interesting thing that
I think about this is you have the Cincinnati Bengals
who just don't want Jake Browning to throw interceptions.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Like the numbers are there.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Jamar Chase actually had a good game, maybe a fantasy
football perspective, but Chase was at least a factor against
the Lions in a game where Cincinnati was playing catchup
ball game. The problem is Jake Browning just keeps on
turning over the football. Did it against the Vikings, did
it against the Lions this past weekend. So you bring
in Joe fla who, by the way, at times is
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known to turn over the football. And now you have
a forty year old quarterback who moves even less than
Jake Browning and Joe Burrow behind them. And it's one
of those deals where you say you do an indivision trade.
Why in the world would the Browns want to do
this for us? Like, why would they want to do
this sort of deal, because it doesn't make a lot
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of sense. I do think Cincinnati had to make a move.
I didn't think the Kirk Cousin scenario was realistic because
of the amount of money that Cousins has on his contract,
something that you pointed out. But I just don't know
if Joe Flacco is the solution to the problem for
Cincinnati at this time. You just need somebody to maybe
have a little bit more mobility as well. And I
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just I find it so intriguing because they're sitting there
at two and three and the division is still up
for grabs. We don't believe in Pittsburgh as much as
we do, and they felt that this was the route
to go, and if the Browns were willing to do it,
you'd have to wonder why were the Browns willing to
do it? And I also don't think that Shador Sanders
is the guarantee to be the backup quarterback, and it
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has nothing to do with Sanders. It would just be
surprising to me that the Browns would have two rookie
quarterbacks be there one and two. At this point, Bailey's
appy is actually on the team's practice squad. To me,
that makes a lot more sense if if she.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
If he's the number, if he's the number two. Yes, yeah,
but here's the thing. To have two rookie quarterbacks is crazy.
But as I started by some, it's not crazy.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
It's the Brons, it's the Browns.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
But what the.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Browns are also saying at this point is a week ago,
Shadoor wasn't good enough to be the backup quarterback to
Dylan Gabriel, right because they said that Joe Flacca was
going to be the backup. So after one game, so
in seven days in London, mind you, they've now made
the decision that Shador is ready for that backup role.
(08:06):
I don't necessarily think that that's the case. I think
we'll find out officially tomorrow on what they're going to do.
But some of the talk about Shadors you pointed out
wasn't even doing scout team stuff for them. So now
they're going to, you know, have him be a snap
away from starting.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
I just I don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
I don't think that he's the guaranteed backup at this point.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Again, I don't think so either, but it's the Browns,
and yes, trading and division generally means you think a
guy's washed up. And Flacco is a guy that he
didn't hold it as much as Roethlisberger in his prime,
but has held the ball previously, and you feel like
the Bengals you got to get rid of it quick.
But I'm guessing that their thought is, Hey, we just
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need somebody who's done it, who's been there, done that
can be a veteran, you know, can take a leadership role.
We have enough talent to be decent.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
We just.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
We just had, you know, without Burrow, We're just not
that team. Like what are I guess your options are
your Kirk cousins and then who else? Who else is
a viable veteran backup who you feel like can plug
and play and you stick them in there and can
play within that offense.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
I mean, let's let's just say, like you called Arizona
and said Jacoby Brissett, But what do you want for
Jacoby Brissette.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Hasn't he been in Cleveland or since that? He's been
in one of them? So you know, is Jacoby Brissett
better than Joe Flacco?
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Right now? I don't.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
I don't know, but I do know that Joe Flacco
threw six interceptions in four games so far this season
for the Browns.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
And that's what you don't want to do if you're
Cincinnati and behind that offensive line you get someone who's
less mobile. I yeah, it shocked me when I saw
that for so many reasons. And I also good on
the Bengals for trying to make a move. I just
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don't know if this was the move that they needed
to make.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. So let's
turn to baseball here real quick, because it deserves it.
It was such a good night. The Dodgers up for nothing,
give up a couple runs in the eighth right, and
then in the ninth it got Harry as well. It
gets to four to three, and Dave Roberts did something
(10:32):
that So Jay, Dude, take me through the Sasaki Rookie
Sazaki and the decision that Dave Roberts made and why
it was such a big decision from a guy who's
followed every game of the Dodgers this year.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
Rookie Sasaki is not a closer. There's a different process
for getting ready as a reliever than there was a starter.
Roki Sasaki takes I guess abnormally long periods of time
to get ready as a starter. Dave Roberts obviously didn't
want to use him Last night. They had a four
to nothing lead, so he was thinking, I'm pretty good.
(11:06):
But then our bullpen blew up, like they do almost
every single night leading leading Last night, the blow up
was Blake Trinan, who I don't even think should be
on the postseason roster. He was so bad this year.
Three hits, two runs, no outs for Blake Tryning, Thanks
for coming, and then Dave is forced to warm up
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Sasaki and bring him in for the final out of
the game. He was obviously not excited to do so.
Tommy Edmon feels a ground ball with a tyn run
at third base and he throws it into the dirt,
saved by Freddie Freeman. Dodgers move on but barely, and
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we go to LA two.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Zero crazy crazy night. Are are you guys a never
butt guy?
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Like?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Remember if we go back before they change the rules
in baseball, it was like bunting had completely gone away,
and then all of a sudden, now you know you're
seeing people lay down bunds even more. And in that particular, what,
by the way, what an incredible defensive play. Incredible defensive play,
But never bunt guy is still mumbling today, what are
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Speaker 6 (12:39):
Sosaki honkers down on the mound, kicks in fires, turner swings,
crown balled, a second scooped up by him, and he
throws first dug out by Freddie Freeman.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
He picks it and saves the game.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
That's a win for LA.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Hmmm, yeah, I mean what a great pick by Freddy Freeman.
Now you said he's Steve sacksed it. I think that's
a dated reference. When you saw the throw to second
base buyer from second base, uh to win the game.
(13:18):
Who is the player that you thought of in terms of.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
I think everybody thinks na Block Chuck nab Block.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Would be a more recent than Steve Sacks. And then
there's also John.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Well, then we don't remember it.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
John Lester, Yes, well, John Lester was with the Cubs
when he couldn't throw the first base. So there's actually
times where he would throw. He would do underhand, but
then he would throw one couple times he threw with
the glove. He threw the glove with the ball still
in it. Right. Steve Sacks had that problem as well.
Is anybody recently had that problem where they couldn't do
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the first base, couldn't throw to the first base before.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Last night, that problem in my head.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Can you imagine if the Dodgers lost on that throw,
what Jason would be like today? And they nearly did?
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got four baseball games today, then tomorrow we got more baseball,
NFL football, college football. We're in the middle of it.
October is awesome and today's a perfect example why we
get you ready for tonight's baseball games. We just had
(14:58):
Dougie Glanville on. That was great. Good get bye by
Jason Stewart. R. J Young is going to join us
in like twenty five minutes. We'll also talk about this
Jonathan Gannon fine, which I think I think people's take
on it is so far off, but again that's my opinion.
(15:18):
What do I know. I'm just a coach. Anyway, We'll
get to that, but first let's get to the midway.
He's not getting the middle with you.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
It's time for he stuck in the middle.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
The midway.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Okay, the midway. Every week, this is the middle of
the week, the middle of the day, the middle of
our show because we have a one hour podcast after
that goes live after this show, so we come up
with a topic. Sometimes it's sports, sometimes it's not. It's
something to get you through those middle of the week
Blue Jay stew what's topic today?
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Thank you, Doug. I'll take it from here.
Speaker 7 (15:56):
Thank you, Doug.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
I'll take it from here.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
So I do want to do some what is it
called house cleaning Because of the nature of this program,
we basically did the content I had scheduled for right now.
We did it to open the show, and I want
to do some house cleaning on that. First the top
of the show was Doug basically coming out saying that
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Aaron Judge's moment was spectacular, not to be diminished, and
it was an impossible pitch to hit out and we
should appreciate it more. I came out on the side
of if this is the signature moment for Aaron Judge,
it's an indictment on the Yankees. I think Dan's opinion
was somewhere close to mine, but probably much more articulately
(16:43):
put from Brant Oliver. Seems like I'm leaning more towards
Doug's side of this argument. However, I've yet to hear
anyone bring up Judge was a triple away from hitting
for the cycle and was thrown out at third trying
to get it. That would have been his moment. Hey, Brent,
thanks for listening. You're wrong. Nobody would have remembered the
(17:05):
triple as a cycle making his moment, but I appreciate
you listening. This one from Happy for Life seven. Happy
for Life seven says one thousand percent agree with Jason.
The call moment itself was cringey and so forced. This
is the LEDs. They're down two following zero other big
(17:27):
moments in the past, about two or three moments from
this one is his true one, especially if tonight is
a dud.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
So to catch the listeners up here who missed that
first hour and you could always podcast it on the
iHeartRadio app, Aaron Judge had an amazing moment last night
hitting a ball off the foul pole fair pole as
Mike Lingard keeps screaming at us fair pole, and it
was a really cool moment. I loved it. It's it's
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not his signature moment, and everyone on Twitter seemingly wanted
to give that to him. In fact, Colin cowhert let
off the show by saying this today, you need a moment.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
Last night, Aaron Judge, Yeah, finally had his moment.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
I disagree. I hope that's not his moment. For the
sake of his career and the future of the Yankees,
I hope it's not his moment. But I thought to
think about, like, what are some great signature moments in
baseball's postseason history by great players where you're like, oh,
of course, like when you mentioned his accolades, you're like, oh,
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and he did. This example, Joe Carter amazing, had a
great career. It fell short of the Hall of Fame,
but if you'll get Joe Carter's numbers, they're very comparable.
It was pre steroid era, Joe Carner's Joe Carter will
always be remembered for hitting that World Series is winning
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home run off Mitch Williams and the ninth minute, right
signature moment, hands down, without a question. So that's my
contribution to today's Midway, Joe Carter hitting a World Series
home run the last time the Jay has won the
World Series.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
By the way, I mean, I think I'll give you one.
And I don't know how we view him in terms
of his clutchness, but it's it's eerily comparable on some
level to the Aaron Judge home run. Bayer, you can
help me out with this. Poolholes hit a home run
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off of against the Houston Astros and at the time
I think it was in the DS. Now it was
a walk off home run, right.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
It was a walk off home run.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
I thought it was in the the NLCS.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
It may have been, Yeah, it may have been. But
he hit home run against the Astros. I'm trying to
think because the closure was later. He bounced round. He like,
he didn't recover for several years. Then he ultimately won
the series. It was Brad Lidge, right. Brad Lidge at
the time was I don't know if his best closure
in baseball. He's in the conversation and Brad Osmis was
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his catcher. And I remember the story that the next
day they were flying to Saint Louis for the series
and Ausmus grabbed the microphone. Is like, you're looking outside
the window, you can see the home run that Albert
pool Holes, right, And it was he was trying to
bring levity to it and it kind of backfired, and
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Lydge was a mess for like a good year and
a half. He got it together and I think wasn't
with the Phillies. Wasn't it either closure when they won the.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
World Yes, he did not blow a save that year.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Right, he was so, but it took him a while.
That's my that's the biggest album pool hoolest moment I
can think of in the World Series or I think of,
and he not in the World Series, but that was
an I mean the fact that he hit the ball
out of the building. Yes, it was incredible.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Astros go on to win the series.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
They lose to the White Sox in the World Series
that year, but yeah, that that moment stands out. Brad
Lidge was the guest that I was able to track
down because he got the final out of the eight
World Series and I was able to track him down
for Fox Sports Radio as they beat the Rays in
a in a rain delayed game that they had to
resume in the sixth inning. I'll give you another name
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because I think that it was a name that we
all loved growing up, most people loved, and it was
Kirby Puckett of the Minnesota Twins Game six, nineteen ninety
one World Series and just too yeah for the game.
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The the home run is that Jack buck with the
with the call, So yeah, Kirby Bucket.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
That's a great one. Hall of Famer by the way,
So he had an abridged career because he got hit
in the eye. Right, goes to the Hall of Fame,
and then I remember him. This is his signature moment
with me. That scathing article written about him and.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Like he's just like the worst human being everone.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
Oh my gosh. So it's hard to look past those
details at that amazing home run and a great career.
He was fun to watch. What was he like? Five
foot two?
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Yeah, I'm going to get the official measurements.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
I mean he could take AL two in the post. Right,
he's bigger than OL two bay.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
If who's AL two B and Kyler Murray had a baby,
it would be Kirby Pucket.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Clayton Kershaw's signature moment.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Is what now do you have one?
Speaker 1 (22:55):
I'm asking, I'm asking, I'm asking Jay stew He's seen
every every game, every inning he's pitched.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
I think for the purpose of this exercise, if one
doesn't readily come to mind, that means he's disqualified. He
is going to go his career unless he unless he
has one this this October, he's going to go to
his career with that, that one signature moment, and I
think so that kind of adds to the conversation about
his postseason legacy.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Was five eights according to Baseball Reference.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
Okay, so it's five to five.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
He was three inches.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Yeah, you always have to take three inches off of
the internet. Ask any woman that's been on tender pause.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Uh, Jeter, it's the it's the what is it the scoop.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
That of the dive headfirst, the.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Dive, the dive into the stands.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
But the scoop was postseason, right? Was the dive postseason?
Speaker 8 (23:53):
No?
Speaker 5 (23:53):
That was a regular season game? Which was the dive
into the stands? Was a regular season game?
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Really?
Speaker 5 (24:03):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (24:03):
But the scoop was playoff game right against the A's.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Yeah, that one I remember again specifically against the A's.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
So Gibson is maybe the top of the Mount Rushmore here.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
It's literally the greatest baseball moment in my life.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
It's like one of those things. I think, guys that
if Gibson ever made the Hall of Fame and they're
letting everybody in nowadays post humus, whatever the word is,
if I think on his plaque will be a reference
to the home runoff Eckers. But I mean, how many
Hall of Famers could have an actual moment in the
paragraph that sums up their career. You know, like Willie
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Mays is in the Hall of Fame. His signature moment
is the nineteen fifty four catch running away from home
plate four hundred and twenty five feet from home plate.
But that catch is not in the summary of his
Hall of Fame career. It's not It is not on
the plaque.
Speaker 9 (24:59):
No oh, in on the plaque in the play, I
was actually on TikTok within the last twenty four hours
and came upon this Goose Gossage sound bite how the
Padres are facing the Tigers in the eighty four World Series,
and Gossage is about to be pulled and.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
Says, no, I've been really really good against this guy.
I've really really good. At first pitch, Gibson homers and
seals the deal for the Tigers. They win in nineteen
eighty four. So for Gibson to have two World Series
home runs is even more spectacular. But to start, contrast
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of how we look at Gibson to what Joe Carter
did in winning the World Series, Gibson set the tone
Eckersley Game one. Yes, the injury, the dramatics of it,
but in the moment, I think it's difficult to top
what Joe Carter did into hitting the walk off to
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win it all.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
That's absolutely true. So I've always had my theory about this.
It's the Hollywood thing because it happened in Hollywood. It's
a Hollywood story. It is more magnified. What happened in
Philadelphia or Toronto is less significant in the grand scheme
of things narrative wise. But you're right, Joe Carter's was
the winning home run in a World Series. Kirk Gibson
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just started the series one h But if you factor
in everything, if you like explained it to your grandkids,
Eckersley had not walked one batter the entire season, and
he walked about it in front of Kirk Gibson. Eckersley's
era and his whip were almost zero the entire season.
It was a true David and Goliath. The A's had
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won like one hundred and ten games. The Dodgers were
not that great. I think Bob Cossis famously said it's
the worst lineup to ever play in a World Series.
So when you take that those storylines. It kind of
makes sense why Gibson's has kind of tested.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
The h oh he gonna Hey, do you guys want
to hear Mike Trout's greatest postseason moment?
Speaker 5 (27:04):
Please?
Speaker 1 (27:10):
I want to hear it again. And I'm an Angel fan.
There is one other part of this that we should
probably bring up. It's that the reason there's a reason
that so many of these guys that were great players,
that are Hall of famers don't have these moments because
I think those moments actually don't represent who the best
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players are. Like David Freese had two home runs for
the Cardinals in Game six, Game six of the World Series,
and they're both down to the last strike. I mean, David
Freese his career flamed out afterwards. Like oftentimes, the hitting
hero is not the superstar, it's somebody around the superstar.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
That's the one thing that that's unique about baseball.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
Well, the other side of that coin is is that
most Hall of famers never even get postseason chances. I mean,
how many.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Like Croud he got three chances against Kanctate Chiefs, the
kans City Worlds, and that's.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
It correct, And it's like it's a long list of
people in the Hall of Fame that never even got
a chance for a moment. That's why it's so unique
that we're talking about this today. To have a Hall
of Fame player have a amazing moment in the postseason,
everything has to come together. I mean Reggie Jackson's three
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home runs in seventy seven and that the game against
the Dodgers. Not one moment, but everyone associates Reggie with
those three home runs against the Dodgers in Game six
of the World Series.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
I would also say that there's interesting there's names that
pop up so like like Indie Chavez on the Mets,
Like you think of, you know, robbing the home run
in the NLCS, a game that they lost, Okay, like
the Cardinals went on to win the World Series, but
like that play is one that is still fondly remembered
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by by many, even Mets fans. Luis Gonzalez, I don't
think you think anything but Game seven, two thousand and one,
right like uh Edgar Rinteria ninety seven and winning it
for the Marlins. There's just names that I think that
that pop up and you immediately think of those individual
(29:35):
single moments.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Fin like Pedro Martinez is probably the best picture of
my lifetime.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
That's what I think.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Like I think, I think Pedro Martinez the best picture
I've ever seen. I've seen throw baseball. Again, I don't
I don't think that means he was and I don't study,
but like in terms of dominance of a picture, because
he had all the different things. He was a pitcher
who also had overwhelming stuff, right, whereas like Maddox was
more about pitching as opposed to arm talent. I think
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Randy Johnson was unbelievably dominant, but a lot of that
was just the power size. You know, he could reach
halfway to home plate when he's throwing a baseball. Pedro
had all of it right, unbelievable movement, multiple pitches, and
then great power, great stuff. But his signature moment is
probably when he got lit up by the Yankees in
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three Isn't it? Like he had other moments, but that's
He had moments with the Indians when he was in
the playoffs where he was the best pitcher in baseball
and it was freaky stuff. The Indians just weren't that good,
so when he pitched, they won, and when he didn't
pitch they didn't. Yeah, does Pedro have another signature moment?
Speaker 5 (30:53):
No? No, No, Again, you're proving kind of the point of
the exercise here. If you can't think of one, he
doesn't have.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
No, I can think of the one I can think
of as a negative. That's the thing that Petron I
just going back out there in the seventh inning. Grady
Little shakes his hand, then tells him he's going back in,
goes back in and gets lit up.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Yeah, and that's his moment, just like Aaron Judge's signature,
A moment I think is an Aaron center field but
pitched for the Indians, right pro No, he pitched against
him a lot.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Go ahead, No, I was.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
I was just gonna say, I think that there's one
name and io was. Sam brought it up in the
break twenty ten that we stand out we lost them
too early. But Sam, you mentioned a guy like Roy
Halliday who had the uh the no no.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
Yeah, his sons just throw out the first pitch in
Game two. Ryan Berschinger actually helped me.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Uh, he came up with that, so I should give
him credit for that.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Yeah, No, that was but he had a perfect game
that year and then throws the no hitter. I mean,
and you think of all of that. I mean, they
have a postseason no hitter only him.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
And and at Wainwright game, he pitched incredible. He gave
up one run I don't even know if it's earned
and lost that game. Well that's the thing, to give
up one run to the Cardinals lose, and like nobody
even mentioned somebody cares.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
Well. You talk about starting pitchers, You've mentioned two in
this segment, Kershaw and Pedro Martinez. Like, how hard is
it to have a signature moment? If you're a starting pitcher,
you literally have to do what Roy Halliday did and
pitch the entire game. Otherwise, who's gonna remember you striking
out the side in the fourth inning of a big game?
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I mean, Don Larson's perfect game is a perfect example.
Larson wasn't a Hall of Famer, but he threw a
perfect game in the World Series. It's never happened.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
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Speaker 3 (34:25):
Through the room.
Speaker 5 (34:27):
The O one pitch PA has grounds it back to Kirkery.
Speaker 6 (34:29):
He can't find it, he tells home.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
It's why ten stores and the Dodgers are going.
Speaker 5 (34:36):
To the Championship Series.
Speaker 9 (34:39):
Fire Works golf in center field.
Speaker 8 (34:42):
The Dodgers celebrate your first base on a ground.
Speaker 6 (34:45):
Ballpet to the pitcher.
Speaker 8 (34:47):
Andy pos somehow gets the job done.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Paz gets the somehow gets the job done. We'll get
to the play in a second. First, that's the that's
AM five seven the LA Sports the Dodgers radio network
with the call. Here's the Phillies Radio network with the
exact same call.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
The one swinging a broken back comebacker Kirkering knocks it down, picks.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
It up, throws why they home to the back stop.
Speaker 5 (35:16):
And the season is over.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
The Dodgers rushing out pasted O'rian Kirkering, who stands with
his hands on his knees bent over.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
So I'll get to what our our group text was,
because we probably should have hopped on a call because
it was weird. First, here's here's a Ryan Kirkering, who
made the this season ending error, had this exchange with reporters.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
How much do you think you.
Speaker 8 (35:47):
Can use this kind of in the offseason so you
know for good for sure, Yeah the wall with the
test wall for sure.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
But yeah, just kind of keep going with it. Hopefully
it started a long career. Just keep the back of
my head. It's really ups right now, but hopefully keep
pushing on to get over this.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
If you watch the game, you saw Rob Thompson, who's
the manager of the Phillies, grab kirk Kring before he
left the field. Here's what he said or he said
he said to kirk Kring after the game.
Speaker 10 (36:22):
Rob, obviously heartbreaking way to lose to get a long
conversation with O Ryan coming off the field, Do you
want to share little what you told him? Or just
to keep his head up. You know, he just got
caught up in the moment a little bit coming down
the stretcher. He pitched so well for us, and I
feel I feel for him because he's he's putting it
all on his shoulders. But we went as a team
and we lose as the teams.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Here's Dave Roberts when he was asked about the final play, what.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
Are your feelings when it comes to Ryan Kirkering right
now seeing that happen on the other side.
Speaker 11 (36:51):
Oh, it's it's brutal. Obviously they played great defense tonight.
And you know, it's one of those things, is that
it's it's a it's a PfP, a pictures fielding practice
and he's done it a thousand times, and you know,
just right there he was so focused, I'm sure, on
just getting the hitter and you know, just sort of forgot,
you know, the outs in the situation. So you know,
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Kirkering is a stud.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
And do we do we think he forgot the outs
on the play. I've heard that. I heard Joe Davis
say that. I've heard it mentioned by people, but even Kirkering,
in his honesty, he didn't say that. And if you
watch the play, his body was clearly in position to
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throw the ball at the first he just misplayed it
and that's when panic set in and he decided to
go home with a wild throw that it actually wouldn't
have mattered if it was a good throw, even though
the runner was would have been safe. He'd missed the plate? Right,
was that key k a Hernanez missed the plate?
Speaker 5 (37:54):
It was Kim?
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Oh, it was Kim missed the plate. Apologize. So my
question is, again this is based upon our group text
and what you've heard from several people. They believe he
missed He didn't know there was two outs, even though
he came in with two outs. I haven't heard him
say I forgot how many outs there were.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
No.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
We have sound of that running it through edit. Right now.
He explains that it was indeed not that he knew
it was two outs, that he just under the pressure,
looked home and thought that was the next best play.
After it kicked off his shoe. We had the explanation
it's forthcoming. The Kim missed home plate because nobody in
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the stadium thought that throw was coming home, including Real Muto,
the both dugouts and everybody in the stadium. The last
thing anyone thought was that there was going to be
throw home. Kim didn't even think to slot.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
If we are talking about shouldn't you have had the slide?
Speaker 5 (38:55):
Yeah, no, no, not have to you should you should
slide just to be safe. But that's how remote a
chance he thought the ball was coming home. Nobody in
the world would have thrown that ball home. It was
so unordinary. Jeff Francoor in the moment on the live
broadcast said, first and foremost, he must have lost track
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of outs, because if anybody who knows baseball is watching
that play, he got it's the only explanation.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
No, I thought the explanation was he bobbled the ball
and then he then he panicked and went to the
first available base that he saw.
Speaker 5 (39:32):
That's his explanation. Yeah, that's correct.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
I think that's a reasonable buyer. You're you're neutral in this.
What do you think?
Speaker 4 (39:41):
I thought that he thought that there was one out
or no outs at the immediate point until I heard
his comments of what he said, because it it doesn't
make any sense, like if you if you knew that
there was two outs, and why I believe what he said.
(40:02):
It's just wrong on so many levels to think that
a guy at third would be the better option after
having a head start after it just it doesn't make
any sense. But I thought when the play happened, he
thought that there were less than two outs.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
I even said that, here's the here's the full Oriyan
Kirkland sound you guys, tell me what you think if I.
Speaker 12 (40:22):
Thought, I just kind of once the pressure got to me,
I just thought it was a faster throw the JT,
a little quicker throw than trying to cross body of
the price, So just throw.
Speaker 5 (40:34):
Yeah, did you did you hear them calling telling you
to go to first at all? Or were you just
in the moment that it wasn't even just in a moment? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (40:42):
Can you can you see JT pointing in that moment
or is it just kind of looking up, just kind
of looking up, just be ready again finding me a
lot of guys at RGE and on the first ones there,
one of the guys say, you even know, keep.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Your head up.
Speaker 7 (40:55):
It's lost mistake. Just baseball happens, and Grad'll been good
for a long time. In the comment, it's not my fault,
just that opportunity to score had a converination.
Speaker 5 (41:08):
Rob to put the same footing that.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
I mean, you know about those.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Guys picking you up so quick means a lot, shows
they care a lot, means everythings for sure.
Speaker 8 (41:19):
I'm sure a lot of guys in here I've had
moments earlier in their career here that you know, I
think kind of remember very good.
Speaker 10 (41:26):
The the.
Speaker 8 (41:28):
You know, how much do you think you can use
this kind of in the offseason something too? You know
for good for sure? Yeah, the wall with the test
wall for sure.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
But uh yeah, just kind of keep going with it.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sport. Traye, that's all.
Ryan kirklands that that was his explanation. Again, I I'm
going to respectfully just disagree with you guys. I agree
you don't go home there. Everybody knows you go home there.
But we are sort of diminishing the fact that he
misplayed the ball. And then that's when Panic said it.
Speaker 5 (42:04):
Yeah, I don't think you're disagreeing with anything. You asked
what we thought in the moment before the explanation.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
But now, but now what do you think now? You
think he didn't he lost track outs?
Speaker 5 (42:15):
Of course that's his that's what he said. That's his explanation.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
No, we didn't.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
He just said I lost track outs. He said, no, No,
I didn't.
Speaker 5 (42:24):
The pressure. He just said that the pressure got to
me and I threw home. So I believe him, Yes.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
But he didn't say that he didn't know how many
outs there were.
Speaker 5 (42:34):
Never he never said that. That was what we speculated
in the moment. That's what Jeff said in the moment.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
But you still believe that I didn't know the outs. Okay,
my bad. Okay, well then I missed. I completely misunderstood completely. Okay,
we're all good. I don't know. I just that's the
magic of sports. This is where I understand. I actually had.
I had a great conversation with Don Yeger. I have
a new podcast out. I think it drops today. Jay
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s du knows more about that when it actually drops
than I do. And Don Jaeger wrote a book called
The Science of Momentum. And one of the questions I
asked is, you know, their analytics is such a strong
part of every business now, every sports franchise, college sports
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as well. We use the analytics company all of these things.
But what the data people will tell you is there's
no such thing as momentum. Okay, it always, you know,
regresses to the mean. And that's just those are well,
you feel like momentum, those are human That the stats,
the data doesn't lie. It doesn't take in human emotions.
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It just says, hey, based upon all the data we have,
this is how many times this is successful and this
is not successful? And the greater the data set, the
more exact the stats are. And I'm going to tell
you that last night is the Perfec's an example of
I'm respectful towards the data. I'm respectful towards analytics. It
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plays a huge factor in how you try and build,
like a basketball program, a basketball team, how you run offense,
how you run defense. But at the end of the day,
there's still human beings out there. And the perfect example
is he, no matter how young he is, he's played
a lot of baseball. He's taken he's he's taken the field,
he knows the play, he's ready to go. He gets
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a albeit a broken bat, single right back at him,
that should be field the ball, throw it first, go
to the next inning, and because of the pressure of
the moment, he was likely why he bobbled the ball initially.
And then the additional pressure and chaos of having the
bases loaded and a broken bat lay in there and
the crowd going crazy and the game being on the
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line and him just I just throw it home and
he freaked out and it looked like little league baseball.
This is not me telling you that analytics nerds don't
have a huge place sports and maybe Jason, you and
I discussed Dave Roberts the decisions they make and how
much of it is him, how much of it is
the front office, how much of it is the analytics
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department that doesn't have feel data is important, but there's
always going to be the human element. And a young
guy had a chance to extend the series or extend
the game fielding the ball cleanly throw it the first
he misplays it, and then Butcher's where he should go
with the ball, and then Butcher the throw and the
(45:31):
whole thing ends up costing his team the end of
a game.
Speaker 5 (45:35):
Credit to him, by the way, credit to him for
admitting that it's pressure right. Well, first of all, he
took questions and most of the time you just hear
no excuse, and then you're unfulfilled by like, well why
did you do it? And he actually said the pressure
got to me. How often do you hear pro athletes.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
They know that they won't, they won't, and you know
they'll never say the pressure got to me, and they'll
never say. I think Chris Bosh was the last one.
He talked about his first playoff series with Lebron. I
remember he played poorly, and he was like, look, I'd
just be honest with you. I wasn't ready for that
kind of pressure. You know, go ahead, Dan.
Speaker 4 (46:12):
There's a different type of pressure with this though, because
I do think that kirkering like you can maybe try
to plan like, isn't the pressure that he's facing is
to get Pahz out, to strike him out.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
I just walked.
Speaker 4 (46:27):
I think you walk to Key k Hernanez prior to that.
So the goal is to get him out and then
if you don't strike him out, make sure that you
can make a play or get him to hit a
ball that can be fielded. And so even in that
situation of getting the pressure, he succeeded. He got him
to hit a ball that could be fielded, and then
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he didn't field it. And that's the part that to
me is just it's so unpredictable because if he feels
it cleanly in that scenario, I don't think that but
there's any issue. I just think it's the panic that
happened in that millisecond of what he was saying. But
because he felt that he bobbled it and that the
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runner was coming home, that everything then went into chaos
because how many times had a slow dribbler just come
back to the mound, and if he knew that there
were two outs, he would know that he would have
all the time in the world. But that millisecond of
just watching the ground ball and him throwing it is
where the pressure got to him. I don't think it
got to him on the initial part that we normally
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think of, let's just get this guy out.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
I agree with you, Doug.
Speaker 5 (47:37):
Remember one we had Matt Holiday on it on Tuesday.
You guys specifically talked about this, that it's really tough
to have short touch throws when that's not your position.
Pictures for years have struggled with these touch throws. So
even the throw to first he would have been pressured
to make. But that throw is so unnatural. You're used
(47:59):
to throwing nine five miles an hour home, and now
you have to have some kind of a touch throw
because if he throws it on time, he's out, and
then we're blaming Kim for not sliding right. It's so
Matt Holliday said it. He's like, when you're used to
throwing things at a certain angle for a certain speed,
that touch throw is really tough. So then you add
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the pressure of the moment to that touch throw and
it was just chaos and doug in your sport. How
many times do we see maybe in a late second situation,
someone misses shot, get their own rebound and put back
an even worse putback because they weren't necessarily ready for that.
I think we see it in basketball at times too,
Like you miss a shot, Okay, that's pressure, but all
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of a sudden you get another chance.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
I'm like, what do I do? You know, so you
just throw it up.
Speaker 1 (48:46):
All the time you miss it to the timing in
your head goes so much quicker. Yes, we do this
all the time. We talk about with players, Hey man,
every you have a you can dribble with every second,
like five seconds left. You can take four dribbles and
get all the way from rim to rim, lay the
ball in. You're fine, and they're like, and then when
you get the ball, your your clock just gets sped up.
(49:07):
And look, a lot of that is experience, And with baseball,
outside of maybe playing in the college World Series, there's
just no ability to replicate that that energy, that moment, Like,
no matter how crazy the environment is att Citizens Bank Ballpark,
still is that what it is still in Philly. Yeah,
(49:28):
I think so, no matter how crazy that environment is
for a regular season game or even a postseason game,
whatever series, season on the line, bases loaded, two outs,
bottom of the eleventh inning, Like, you can't replicate that
till next.
Speaker 3 (49:43):
Year Dodger Stadium. Yeah, nothing you can do.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
And so guys can be the coolest there is. I mean,
we're playing an exhibition game tomorrow night, right, Why Look,
we can't replicate We're playing Kansas No. Umber three, fourteen
thousand people, if not the best coach in the country,
is any conversation unbelievable athletes. The number one draft pick
this year is going to be Darren Peterson. Like, it's crazy.
So we're just trying to replicate on some level what
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the bodies and physicality are. But we can't replicate fourteen
thousand people streaming whatever I feel bad for We've talked
about this. Baseball has two completely different seasons, and Philadelphia
is great fans, they'll have great energy, they'll be series
in the year when they play the Mets and it'll
be a zoo. But there's you can't replicate last night,
and the kid does it has until next year to
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figure out if he can make that same play next year,
and even then we don't know until it happens. But yeah,
I completely agree with Dan, Like, that's the that's the
amazing thing about pitching is all you're thinking about, right,
And I'm sure part of it is. He's like, he
just walked key k here nann. He's like, fuck, that's
still you gotta like process, okay to wrote out, Okay,
(50:52):
now what's my approach? And all of a sudden, this
ball comes back at you and you bobble it and oh, fudge,
only you didn't say fudge. Gosh. I love Fall baseball.
I love October baseball.
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
Welcome in What a day and sport a night in sports? Huh?
Was that good? Or was that good? Man? That's amazing? Yeah,
you got Jason Stewart proved wrong but right, and you
(00:49):
try and run a play but it involves a bunt
and anti bunt. Guy had a had a great night.
Not last night with with the Dodgers hanging out to
beat the Phillies, plus the Brewers took a commanding two
games done lead on the Cubs. We got to get
to that. We had Thursday Night football where the Jaguars, Yes,
(01:09):
I said, the Jaguars moved to four and one. Was
that Monday Night Football? Sorry, I said, Thursday Football My mistake.
Just all the days crammed together. Monday Night football where
the Jaguars take down the Chiefs. More issues with the Chiefs,
But I think we got to start with the story
of the day, which is breaking news. You've heard it
from Dan Byer, You've heard it here on Fox Sports Radio.
(01:32):
Joe Flaco is now a Bengal and in division trade
in division trade from a guy who was the starter
for the Browns. Then the Browns pulled him. They started
Dylan Gabriel and now it's Dylan Gabriel and the backup
is Shoudure Sanders. Wow.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
The trade has not been confirmed yet, but Adam Shefter
did report it. Oh, I'm sorry it should or being
two is not confirmed yet. I'm sure they'll bring in
an old head, you know, to be part of that
that room. But man, is that crazy?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Right?
Speaker 1 (02:16):
It's not crazy? It's the Browns. I actually think that
should be their slogo, slogan. What do you guys think
about that? Right? Like the Raiders is just win baby, huh.
For a long time, the Patriots and then the Saints
(02:36):
were do your job. What if the Browns said, it's
that crazy? It's the Browns? Like, yeah, that that tracks,
that really tracks. So Joe Flacco to the Bengals because
the Bengals are they have to win. You'll only go
get Jay Flaco if you feel like anything's better than
what we're throwing out there. Cameron Wolf of the NFL
(03:00):
Media is reporting that Shadoor is going to be number two.
My guess is they go and get out in the
street and they find a guy, either practice squad or
a number three. But that is like, there's never a
dull moment with the Browns, a team that there's no
reason we should pay attention to, except for they had
four quarterbacks. Now they have two, and the two that
(03:22):
had experienced as starters, one who won a Super Bowl,
is now playing for their arch rival, and they're left
with Dylan Gabriel and Shadoor Sanders, who I can't tell
you what he's done at practice, but you know, up
until recently he wasn't even their scout team quarterback. Then
of course last week he was doing the miming, you know,
speaking silently when asked questions after Dylan Gabriel's name starter.
(03:46):
Now he's the Backup's that's Lane Kiffen early in his
career failing up from Shador Sanders. That's remarkable, that's crazy.
It's not crazy, Sam, It's not crazy.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
It's Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
It's the Browns.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
The Browns, it's the Browns.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
I don't remember an Indivision trade of a starting quarterback
since Donovan McNabb. McNabb remember, was traded from the Eagles
where he had taken them to the super Bowl to
the then Washington Redskins. And like, wow, that's an interesting
trade you trade Indivision, Like, oh, he's washed up. Everybody
(04:32):
knows what Flacco is. I don't think he's washed out,
but he's obviously not the player he used to be.
But the Bengals are in such desperate need of somebody
who can get rid of the football, and they do
have some talent there. Think about if your Joe Flacco,
you went from having to worry about a rookie third
string quarterback who's a fifth round draft pick and what
(04:52):
he was going to say to the media to where
now you have Jamar Chase to throw the football too.
That's failing up as well. That's not that's not bad.
It's not bad. Does make sense, but also really interesting.
Kirk Cousins hasn't been moved now. Part of it is
kirk Cousins makes a lot more money than Flaco is
(05:14):
Placo does, but Kirk Cousins just sitting there as a backup,
not doing anything, whereas Joe Flacco is on the move
yet again, and this going to the Cincinnati Bengals. All right,
we'll circle back to that one in a moment. But oh,
you had something. I'm sorry there, buyer, go.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Ahead, Yeah, this is This is the interesting thing that
I think about this is you have the Cincinnati Bengals
who just don't want Jake Browning to throw interceptions.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Like the numbers are there.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Jamar Chase actually had a good game, maybe a fantasy
football perspective, but Chase was at least a factor against
the Lions in a game where Cincinnati was playing catchup
ball game. The problem is Jake Browning just keeps on
turning over the football. Did it against the Vikings, did
it against the Lions this past weekend. So you bring
in Joe fla who, by the way, at times is
(06:02):
known to turn over the football. And now you have
a forty year old quarterback who moves even less than
Jake Browning and Joe Burrow behind them. And it's one
of those deals where you say you do an indivision trade.
Why in the world would the Browns want to do
this for us? Like, why would they want to do
this sort of deal, because it doesn't make a lot
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of sense. I do think Cincinnati had to make a move.
I didn't think the Kirk Cousin scenario was realistic because
of the amount of money that Cousins has on his contract,
something that you pointed out. But I just don't know
if Joe Flacco is the solution to the problem for
Cincinnati at this time. You just need somebody to maybe
have a little bit more mobility as well. And I
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just I find it so intriguing because they're sitting there
at two and three and the division is still up
for grabs. We don't believe in Pittsburgh as much as
we do, and they felt that this was the route
to go, and if the Browns were willing to do it,
you'd have to wonder why were the Browns willing to
do it? And I also don't think that Shador Sanders
is the guarantee to be the backup quarterback, and it
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has nothing to do with Sanders. It would just be
surprising to me that the Browns would have two rookie
quarterbacks be there one and two. At this point, Bailey's
appy is actually on the team's practice squad. To me,
that makes a lot more sense if if she.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
If he's the number, if he's the number two. Yes, yeah,
but here's the thing. To have two rookie quarterbacks is crazy.
But as I started by some, it's not crazy.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
It's the Brons, it's the Browns.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
But what the.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Browns are also saying at this point is a week ago,
Shadoor wasn't good enough to be the backup quarterback to
Dylan Gabriel, right because they said that Joe Flacca was
going to be the backup. So after one game, so
in seven days in London, mind you, they've now made
the decision that Shador is ready for that backup role.
(08:06):
I don't necessarily think that that's the case. I think
we'll find out officially tomorrow on what they're going to do.
But some of the talk about Shadors you pointed out
wasn't even doing scout team stuff for them. So now
they're going to, you know, have him be a snap
away from starting.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
I just I don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
I don't think that he's the guaranteed backup at this point.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Again, I don't think so either, but it's the Browns,
and yes, trading and division generally means you think a
guy's washed up. And Flacco is a guy that he
didn't hold it as much as Roethlisberger in his prime,
but has held the ball previously, and you feel like
the Bengals you got to get rid of it quick.
But I'm guessing that their thought is, Hey, we just
(08:54):
need somebody who's done it, who's been there, done that
can be a veteran, you know, can take a leadership role.
We have enough talent to be decent.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
We just.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
We just had, you know, without Burrow, We're just not
that team. Like what are I guess your options are
your Kirk cousins and then who else? Who else is
a viable veteran backup who you feel like can plug
and play and you stick them in there and can
play within that offense.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
I mean, let's let's just say, like you called Arizona
and said Jacoby Brissett, But what do you want for
Jacoby Brissette.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Hasn't he been in Cleveland or since that? He's been
in one of them? So you know, is Jacoby Brissett
better than Joe Flacco?
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Right now? I don't.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
I don't know, but I do know that Joe Flacco
threw six interceptions in four games so far this season
for the Browns.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
And that's what you don't want to do if you're
Cincinnati and behind that offensive line you get someone who's
less mobile. I yeah, it shocked me when I saw
that for so many reasons. And I also good on
the Bengals for trying to make a move. I just
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don't know if this was the move that they needed
to make.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. So let's
turn to baseball here real quick, because it deserves it.
It was such a good night. The Dodgers up for nothing,
give up a couple runs in the eighth right, and
then in the ninth it got Harry as well. It
gets to four to three, and Dave Roberts did something
(10:32):
that So Jay, Dude, take me through the Sasaki Rookie
Sazaki and the decision that Dave Roberts made and why
it was such a big decision from a guy who's
followed every game of the Dodgers this year.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
Rookie Sasaki is not a closer. There's a different process
for getting ready as a reliever than there was a starter.
Roki Sasaki takes I guess abnormally long periods of time
to get ready as a starter. Dave Roberts obviously didn't
want to use him Last night. They had a four
to nothing lead, so he was thinking, I'm pretty good.
(11:06):
But then our bullpen blew up, like they do almost
every single night leading leading Last night, the blow up
was Blake Trinan, who I don't even think should be
on the postseason roster. He was so bad this year.
Three hits, two runs, no outs for Blake Tryning, Thanks
for coming, and then Dave is forced to warm up
(11:29):
Sasaki and bring him in for the final out of
the game. He was obviously not excited to do so.
Tommy Edmon feels a ground ball with a tyn run
at third base and he throws it into the dirt,
saved by Freddie Freeman. Dodgers move on but barely, and
(11:50):
we go to LA two.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Zero crazy crazy night. Are are you guys a never
butt guy?
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Like?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Remember if we go back before they change the rules
in baseball, it was like bunting had completely gone away,
and then all of a sudden, now you know you're
seeing people lay down bunds even more. And in that particular, what,
by the way, what an incredible defensive play. Incredible defensive play,
But never bunt guy is still mumbling today, what are
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Sosaki honkers down on the mound, kicks in fires, turner swings,
crown balled, a second scooped up by him, and he
throws first dug out by Freddie Freeman.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
He picks it and saves the game.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
That's a win for LA.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Hmmm, yeah, I mean what a great pick by Freddy Freeman.
Now you said he's Steve sacksed it. I think that's
a dated reference. When you saw the throw to second
base buyer from second base, uh to win the game.
(13:18):
Who is the player that you thought of in terms of.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
I think everybody thinks na Block Chuck nab Block.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Would be a more recent than Steve Sacks. And then
there's also John.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Well, then we don't remember it.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
John Lester, Yes, well, John Lester was with the Cubs
when he couldn't throw the first base. So there's actually
times where he would throw. He would do underhand, but
then he would throw one couple times he threw with
the glove. He threw the glove with the ball still
in it. Right. Steve Sacks had that problem as well.
Is anybody recently had that problem where they couldn't do
(13:53):
the first base, couldn't throw to the first base before.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Last night, that problem in my head.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Can you imagine if the Dodgers lost on that throw,
what Jason would be like today? And they nearly did?
Freddy save the day.
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got four baseball games today, then tomorrow we got more baseball,
NFL football, college football. We're in the middle of it.
October is awesome and today's a perfect example why we
get you ready for tonight's baseball games. We just had
(14:58):
Dougie Glanville on. That was great. Good get bye by
Jason Stewart. R. J Young is going to join us
in like twenty five minutes. We'll also talk about this
Jonathan Gannon fine, which I think I think people's take
on it is so far off, but again that's my opinion.
(15:18):
What do I know. I'm just a coach. Anyway, We'll
get to that, but first let's get to the midway.
He's not getting the middle with you.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
It's time for he stuck in the middle.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
The midway.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Okay, the midway. Every week, this is the middle of
the week, the middle of the day, the middle of
our show because we have a one hour podcast after
that goes live after this show, so we come up
with a topic. Sometimes it's sports, sometimes it's not. It's
something to get you through those middle of the week
Blue Jay stew what's topic today?
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Thank you, Doug. I'll take it from here.
Speaker 7 (15:56):
Thank you, Doug.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
I'll take it from here.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
So I do want to do some what is it
called house cleaning Because of the nature of this program,
we basically did the content I had scheduled for right now.
We did it to open the show, and I want
to do some house cleaning on that. First the top
of the show was Doug basically coming out saying that
(16:22):
Aaron Judge's moment was spectacular, not to be diminished, and
it was an impossible pitch to hit out and we
should appreciate it more. I came out on the side
of if this is the signature moment for Aaron Judge,
it's an indictment on the Yankees. I think Dan's opinion
was somewhere close to mine, but probably much more articulately
(16:43):
put from Brant Oliver. Seems like I'm leaning more towards
Doug's side of this argument. However, I've yet to hear
anyone bring up Judge was a triple away from hitting
for the cycle and was thrown out at third trying
to get it. That would have been his moment. Hey, Brent,
thanks for listening. You're wrong. Nobody would have remembered the
(17:05):
triple as a cycle making his moment, but I appreciate
you listening. This one from Happy for Life seven. Happy
for Life seven says one thousand percent agree with Jason.
The call moment itself was cringey and so forced. This
is the LEDs. They're down two following zero other big
(17:27):
moments in the past, about two or three moments from
this one is his true one, especially if tonight is
a dud.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
So to catch the listeners up here who missed that
first hour and you could always podcast it on the
iHeartRadio app, Aaron Judge had an amazing moment last night
hitting a ball off the foul pole fair pole as
Mike Lingard keeps screaming at us fair pole, and it
was a really cool moment. I loved it. It's it's
(17:58):
not his signature moment, and everyone on Twitter seemingly wanted
to give that to him. In fact, Colin cowhert let
off the show by saying this today, you need a moment.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
Last night, Aaron Judge, Yeah, finally had his moment.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
I disagree. I hope that's not his moment. For the
sake of his career and the future of the Yankees,
I hope it's not his moment. But I thought to
think about, like, what are some great signature moments in
baseball's postseason history by great players where you're like, oh,
of course, like when you mentioned his accolades, you're like, oh,
(18:39):
and he did. This example, Joe Carter amazing, had a
great career. It fell short of the Hall of Fame,
but if you'll get Joe Carter's numbers, they're very comparable.
It was pre steroid era, Joe Carner's Joe Carter will
always be remembered for hitting that World Series is winning
(19:00):
home run off Mitch Williams and the ninth minute, right
signature moment, hands down, without a question. So that's my
contribution to today's Midway, Joe Carter hitting a World Series
home run the last time the Jay has won the
World Series.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
By the way, I mean, I think I'll give you one.
And I don't know how we view him in terms
of his clutchness, but it's it's eerily comparable on some
level to the Aaron Judge home run. Bayer, you can
help me out with this. Poolholes hit a home run
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off of against the Houston Astros and at the time
I think it was in the DS. Now it was
a walk off home run, right.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
It was a walk off home run.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
I thought it was in the the NLCS.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
It may have been, Yeah, it may have been. But
he hit home run against the Astros. I'm trying to
think because the closure was later. He bounced round. He like,
he didn't recover for several years. Then he ultimately won
the series. It was Brad Lidge, right. Brad Lidge at
the time was I don't know if his best closure
in baseball. He's in the conversation and Brad Osmis was
(20:19):
his catcher. And I remember the story that the next
day they were flying to Saint Louis for the series
and Ausmus grabbed the microphone. Is like, you're looking outside
the window, you can see the home run that Albert
pool Holes, right, And it was he was trying to
bring levity to it and it kind of backfired, and
(20:40):
Lydge was a mess for like a good year and
a half. He got it together and I think wasn't
with the Phillies. Wasn't it either closure when they won the.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
World Yes, he did not blow a save that year.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Right, he was so, but it took him a while.
That's my that's the biggest album pool hoolest moment I
can think of in the World Series or I think of,
and he not in the World Series, but that was
an I mean the fact that he hit the ball
out of the building. Yes, it was incredible.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Astros go on to win the series.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
They lose to the White Sox in the World Series
that year, but yeah, that that moment stands out. Brad
Lidge was the guest that I was able to track
down because he got the final out of the eight
World Series and I was able to track him down
for Fox Sports Radio as they beat the Rays in
a in a rain delayed game that they had to
resume in the sixth inning. I'll give you another name
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because I think that it was a name that we
all loved growing up, most people loved, and it was
Kirby Puckett of the Minnesota Twins Game six, nineteen ninety
one World Series and just too yeah for the game.
(21:52):
The the home run is that Jack buck with the
with the call, So yeah, Kirby Bucket.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
That's a great one. Hall of Famer by the way,
So he had an abridged career because he got hit
in the eye. Right, goes to the Hall of Fame,
and then I remember him. This is his signature moment
with me. That scathing article written about him and.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Like he's just like the worst human being everone.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
Oh my gosh. So it's hard to look past those
details at that amazing home run and a great career.
He was fun to watch. What was he like? Five
foot two?
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Yeah, I'm going to get the official measurements.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
I mean he could take AL two in the post. Right,
he's bigger than OL two bay.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
If who's AL two B and Kyler Murray had a baby,
it would be Kirby Pucket.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Clayton Kershaw's signature moment.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Is what now do you have one?
Speaker 1 (22:55):
I'm asking, I'm asking, I'm asking Jay stew He's seen
every every game, every inning he's pitched.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
I think for the purpose of this exercise, if one
doesn't readily come to mind, that means he's disqualified. He
is going to go his career unless he unless he
has one this this October, he's going to go to
his career with that, that one signature moment, and I
think so that kind of adds to the conversation about
his postseason legacy.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Was five eights according to Baseball Reference.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
Okay, so it's five to five.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
He was three inches.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Yeah, you always have to take three inches off of
the internet. Ask any woman that's been on tender pause.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Uh, Jeter, it's the it's the what is it the scoop.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
That of the dive headfirst, the.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Dive, the dive into the stands.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
But the scoop was postseason, right? Was the dive postseason?
Speaker 8 (23:53):
No?
Speaker 5 (23:53):
That was a regular season game? Which was the dive
into the stands? Was a regular season game?
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Really?
Speaker 5 (24:03):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (24:03):
But the scoop was playoff game right against the A's.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Yeah, that one I remember again specifically against the A's.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
So Gibson is maybe the top of the Mount Rushmore here.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
It's literally the greatest baseball moment in my life.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
It's like one of those things. I think, guys that
if Gibson ever made the Hall of Fame and they're
letting everybody in nowadays post humus, whatever the word is,
if I think on his plaque will be a reference
to the home runoff Eckers. But I mean, how many
Hall of Famers could have an actual moment in the
paragraph that sums up their career. You know, like Willie
(24:41):
Mays is in the Hall of Fame. His signature moment
is the nineteen fifty four catch running away from home
plate four hundred and twenty five feet from home plate.
But that catch is not in the summary of his
Hall of Fame career. It's not It is not on
the plaque.
Speaker 9 (24:59):
No oh, in on the plaque in the play, I
was actually on TikTok within the last twenty four hours
and came upon this Goose Gossage sound bite how the
Padres are facing the Tigers in the eighty four World Series,
and Gossage is about to be pulled and.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
Says, no, I've been really really good against this guy.
I've really really good. At first pitch, Gibson homers and
seals the deal for the Tigers. They win in nineteen
eighty four. So for Gibson to have two World Series
home runs is even more spectacular. But to start, contrast
(25:35):
of how we look at Gibson to what Joe Carter
did in winning the World Series, Gibson set the tone
Eckersley Game one. Yes, the injury, the dramatics of it,
but in the moment, I think it's difficult to top
what Joe Carter did into hitting the walk off to
(25:57):
win it all.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
That's absolutely true. So I've always had my theory about this.
It's the Hollywood thing because it happened in Hollywood. It's
a Hollywood story. It is more magnified. What happened in
Philadelphia or Toronto is less significant in the grand scheme
of things narrative wise. But you're right, Joe Carter's was
the winning home run in a World Series. Kirk Gibson
(26:21):
just started the series one h But if you factor
in everything, if you like explained it to your grandkids,
Eckersley had not walked one batter the entire season, and
he walked about it in front of Kirk Gibson. Eckersley's
era and his whip were almost zero the entire season.
It was a true David and Goliath. The A's had
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won like one hundred and ten games. The Dodgers were
not that great. I think Bob Cossis famously said it's
the worst lineup to ever play in a World Series.
So when you take that those storylines. It kind of
makes sense why Gibson's has kind of tested.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
The h oh he gonna Hey, do you guys want
to hear Mike Trout's greatest postseason moment?
Speaker 5 (27:04):
Please?
Speaker 1 (27:10):
I want to hear it again. And I'm an Angel fan.
There is one other part of this that we should
probably bring up. It's that the reason there's a reason
that so many of these guys that were great players,
that are Hall of famers don't have these moments because
I think those moments actually don't represent who the best
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players are. Like David Freese had two home runs for
the Cardinals in Game six, Game six of the World Series,
and they're both down to the last strike. I mean, David
Freese his career flamed out afterwards. Like oftentimes, the hitting
hero is not the superstar, it's somebody around the superstar.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
That's the one thing that that's unique about baseball.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
Well, the other side of that coin is is that
most Hall of famers never even get postseason chances. I mean,
how many.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Like Croud he got three chances against Kanctate Chiefs, the
kans City Worlds, and that's.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
It correct, And it's like it's a long list of
people in the Hall of Fame that never even got
a chance for a moment. That's why it's so unique
that we're talking about this today. To have a Hall
of Fame player have a amazing moment in the postseason,
everything has to come together. I mean Reggie Jackson's three
(28:35):
home runs in seventy seven and that the game against
the Dodgers. Not one moment, but everyone associates Reggie with
those three home runs against the Dodgers in Game six
of the World Series.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
I would also say that there's interesting there's names that
pop up so like like Indie Chavez on the Mets,
Like you think of, you know, robbing the home run
in the NLCS, a game that they lost, Okay, like
the Cardinals went on to win the World Series, but
like that play is one that is still fondly remembered
(29:10):
by by many, even Mets fans. Luis Gonzalez, I don't
think you think anything but Game seven, two thousand and one,
right like uh Edgar Rinteria ninety seven and winning it
for the Marlins. There's just names that I think that
that pop up and you immediately think of those individual
(29:35):
single moments.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Fin like Pedro Martinez is probably the best picture of
my lifetime.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
That's what I think.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Like I think, I think Pedro Martinez the best picture
I've ever seen. I've seen throw baseball. Again, I don't
I don't think that means he was and I don't study,
but like in terms of dominance of a picture, because
he had all the different things. He was a pitcher
who also had overwhelming stuff, right, whereas like Maddox was
more about pitching as opposed to arm talent. I think
(30:06):
Randy Johnson was unbelievably dominant, but a lot of that
was just the power size. You know, he could reach
halfway to home plate when he's throwing a baseball. Pedro
had all of it right, unbelievable movement, multiple pitches, and
then great power, great stuff. But his signature moment is
probably when he got lit up by the Yankees in
(30:29):
three Isn't it? Like he had other moments, but that's
He had moments with the Indians when he was in
the playoffs where he was the best pitcher in baseball
and it was freaky stuff. The Indians just weren't that good,
so when he pitched, they won, and when he didn't
pitch they didn't. Yeah, does Pedro have another signature moment?
Speaker 5 (30:53):
No? No, No, Again, you're proving kind of the point of
the exercise here. If you can't think of one, he
doesn't have.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
No, I can think of the one I can think
of as a negative. That's the thing that Petron I
just going back out there in the seventh inning. Grady
Little shakes his hand, then tells him he's going back in,
goes back in and gets lit up.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Yeah, and that's his moment, just like Aaron Judge's signature,
A moment I think is an Aaron center field but
pitched for the Indians, right pro No, he pitched against
him a lot.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Go ahead, No, I was.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
I was just gonna say, I think that there's one
name and io was. Sam brought it up in the
break twenty ten that we stand out we lost them
too early. But Sam, you mentioned a guy like Roy
Halliday who had the uh the no no.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
Yeah, his sons just throw out the first pitch in
Game two. Ryan Berschinger actually helped me.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Uh, he came up with that, so I should give
him credit for that.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Yeah, No, that was but he had a perfect game
that year and then throws the no hitter. I mean,
and you think of all of that. I mean, they
have a postseason no hitter only him.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
And and at Wainwright game, he pitched incredible. He gave
up one run I don't even know if it's earned
and lost that game. Well that's the thing, to give
up one run to the Cardinals lose, and like nobody
even mentioned somebody cares.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
Well. You talk about starting pitchers, You've mentioned two in
this segment, Kershaw and Pedro Martinez. Like, how hard is
it to have a signature moment? If you're a starting pitcher,
you literally have to do what Roy Halliday did and
pitch the entire game. Otherwise, who's gonna remember you striking
out the side in the fourth inning of a big game?
(32:37):
I mean, Don Larson's perfect game is a perfect example.
Larson wasn't a Hall of Famer, but he threw a
perfect game in the World Series. It's never happened.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
And that is the Midway, the Midway.
Speaker 6 (32:52):
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got a lot to get to, a lot to get to.
Here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna actually work backwards.
Jaycee's like, wait, what, That's not what we planned on.
Hold on, give me a second, Jason. So the play
of the day actually is gonna trigger the conversation that
we want to have to start the show, which is
the end of the Dodgers and Phillies series. As we
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Speaker 3 (34:25):
Through the room.
Speaker 5 (34:27):
The O one pitch PA has grounds it back to Kirkery.
Speaker 6 (34:29):
He can't find it, he tells home.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
It's why ten stores and the Dodgers are going.
Speaker 5 (34:36):
To the Championship Series.
Speaker 9 (34:39):
Fire Works golf in center field.
Speaker 8 (34:42):
The Dodgers celebrate your first base on a ground.
Speaker 6 (34:45):
Ballpet to the pitcher.
Speaker 8 (34:47):
Andy pos somehow gets the job done.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Paz gets the somehow gets the job done. We'll get
to the play in a second. First, that's the that's
AM five seven the LA Sports the Dodgers radio network
with the call. Here's the Phillies Radio network with the
exact same call.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
The one swinging a broken back comebacker Kirkering knocks it down, picks.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
It up, throws why they home to the back stop.
Speaker 5 (35:16):
And the season is over.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
The Dodgers rushing out pasted O'rian Kirkering, who stands with
his hands on his knees bent over.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
So I'll get to what our our group text was,
because we probably should have hopped on a call because
it was weird. First, here's here's a Ryan Kirkering, who
made the this season ending error, had this exchange with reporters.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
How much do you think you.
Speaker 8 (35:47):
Can use this kind of in the offseason so you
know for good for sure, Yeah the wall with the
test wall for sure.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
But yeah, just kind of keep going with it. Hopefully
it started a long career. Just keep the back of
my head. It's really ups right now, but hopefully keep
pushing on to get over this.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
If you watch the game, you saw Rob Thompson, who's
the manager of the Phillies, grab kirk Kring before he
left the field. Here's what he said or he said
he said to kirk Kring after the game.
Speaker 10 (36:22):
Rob, obviously heartbreaking way to lose to get a long
conversation with O Ryan coming off the field, Do you
want to share little what you told him? Or just
to keep his head up. You know, he just got
caught up in the moment a little bit coming down
the stretcher. He pitched so well for us, and I
feel I feel for him because he's he's putting it
all on his shoulders. But we went as a team
and we lose as the teams.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Here's Dave Roberts when he was asked about the final play, what.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
Are your feelings when it comes to Ryan Kirkering right
now seeing that happen on the other side.
Speaker 11 (36:51):
Oh, it's it's brutal. Obviously they played great defense tonight.
And you know, it's one of those things, is that
it's it's a it's a PfP, a pictures fielding practice
and he's done it a thousand times, and you know,
just right there he was so focused, I'm sure, on
just getting the hitter and you know, just sort of forgot,
you know, the outs in the situation. So you know,
(37:13):
Kirkering is a stud.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
And do we do we think he forgot the outs
on the play. I've heard that. I heard Joe Davis
say that. I've heard it mentioned by people, but even Kirkering,
in his honesty, he didn't say that. And if you
watch the play, his body was clearly in position to
(37:36):
throw the ball at the first he just misplayed it
and that's when panic set in and he decided to
go home with a wild throw that it actually wouldn't
have mattered if it was a good throw, even though
the runner was would have been safe. He'd missed the plate? Right,
was that key k a Hernanez missed the plate?
Speaker 5 (37:54):
It was Kim?
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Oh, it was Kim missed the plate. Apologize. So my
question is, again this is based upon our group text
and what you've heard from several people. They believe he
missed He didn't know there was two outs, even though
he came in with two outs. I haven't heard him
say I forgot how many outs there were.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
No.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
We have sound of that running it through edit. Right now.
He explains that it was indeed not that he knew
it was two outs, that he just under the pressure,
looked home and thought that was the next best play.
After it kicked off his shoe. We had the explanation
it's forthcoming. The Kim missed home plate because nobody in
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the stadium thought that throw was coming home, including Real Muto,
the both dugouts and everybody in the stadium. The last
thing anyone thought was that there was going to be
throw home. Kim didn't even think to slot.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
If we are talking about shouldn't you have had the slide?
Speaker 5 (38:55):
Yeah, no, no, not have to you should you should
slide just to be safe. But that's how remote a
chance he thought the ball was coming home. Nobody in
the world would have thrown that ball home. It was
so unordinary. Jeff Francoor in the moment on the live
broadcast said, first and foremost, he must have lost track
(39:18):
of outs, because if anybody who knows baseball is watching
that play, he got it's the only explanation.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
No, I thought the explanation was he bobbled the ball
and then he then he panicked and went to the
first available base that he saw.
Speaker 5 (39:32):
That's his explanation. Yeah, that's correct.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
I think that's a reasonable buyer. You're you're neutral in this.
What do you think?
Speaker 4 (39:41):
I thought that he thought that there was one out
or no outs at the immediate point until I heard
his comments of what he said, because it it doesn't
make any sense, like if you if you knew that
there was two outs, and why I believe what he said.
(40:02):
It's just wrong on so many levels to think that
a guy at third would be the better option after
having a head start after it just it doesn't make
any sense. But I thought when the play happened, he
thought that there were less than two outs.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
I even said that, here's the here's the full Oriyan
Kirkland sound you guys, tell me what you think if I.
Speaker 12 (40:22):
Thought, I just kind of once the pressure got to me,
I just thought it was a faster throw the JT,
a little quicker throw than trying to cross body of
the price, So just throw.
Speaker 5 (40:34):
Yeah, did you did you hear them calling telling you
to go to first at all? Or were you just
in the moment that it wasn't even just in a moment? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (40:42):
Can you can you see JT pointing in that moment
or is it just kind of looking up, just kind
of looking up, just be ready again finding me a
lot of guys at RGE and on the first ones there,
one of the guys say, you even know, keep.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Your head up.
Speaker 7 (40:55):
It's lost mistake. Just baseball happens, and Grad'll been good
for a long time. In the comment, it's not my fault,
just that opportunity to score had a converination.
Speaker 5 (41:08):
Rob to put the same footing that.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
I mean, you know about those.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Guys picking you up so quick means a lot, shows
they care a lot, means everythings for sure.
Speaker 8 (41:19):
I'm sure a lot of guys in here I've had
moments earlier in their career here that you know, I
think kind of remember very good.
Speaker 10 (41:26):
The the.
Speaker 8 (41:28):
You know, how much do you think you can use
this kind of in the offseason something too? You know
for good for sure? Yeah, the wall with the test
wall for sure.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
But uh yeah, just kind of keep going with it.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sport. Traye, that's all.
Ryan kirklands that that was his explanation. Again, I I'm
going to respectfully just disagree with you guys. I agree
you don't go home there. Everybody knows you go home there.
But we are sort of diminishing the fact that he
misplayed the ball. And then that's when Panic said it.
Speaker 5 (42:04):
Yeah, I don't think you're disagreeing with anything. You asked
what we thought in the moment before the explanation.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
But now, but now what do you think now? You
think he didn't he lost track outs?
Speaker 5 (42:15):
Of course that's his that's what he said. That's his explanation.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
No, we didn't.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
He just said I lost track outs. He said, no, No,
I didn't.
Speaker 5 (42:24):
The pressure. He just said that the pressure got to
me and I threw home. So I believe him, Yes.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
But he didn't say that he didn't know how many
outs there were.
Speaker 5 (42:34):
Never he never said that. That was what we speculated
in the moment. That's what Jeff said in the moment.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
But you still believe that I didn't know the outs. Okay,
my bad. Okay, well then I missed. I completely misunderstood completely. Okay,
we're all good. I don't know. I just that's the
magic of sports. This is where I understand. I actually had.
I had a great conversation with Don Yeger. I have
a new podcast out. I think it drops today. Jay
(43:01):
s du knows more about that when it actually drops
than I do. And Don Jaeger wrote a book called
The Science of Momentum. And one of the questions I
asked is, you know, their analytics is such a strong
part of every business now, every sports franchise, college sports
(43:22):
as well. We use the analytics company all of these things.
But what the data people will tell you is there's
no such thing as momentum. Okay, it always, you know,
regresses to the mean. And that's just those are well,
you feel like momentum, those are human That the stats,
the data doesn't lie. It doesn't take in human emotions.
(43:44):
It just says, hey, based upon all the data we have,
this is how many times this is successful and this
is not successful? And the greater the data set, the
more exact the stats are. And I'm going to tell
you that last night is the Perfec's an example of
I'm respectful towards the data. I'm respectful towards analytics. It
(44:05):
plays a huge factor in how you try and build,
like a basketball program, a basketball team, how you run offense,
how you run defense. But at the end of the day,
there's still human beings out there. And the perfect example
is he, no matter how young he is, he's played
a lot of baseball. He's taken he's he's taken the field,
he knows the play, he's ready to go. He gets
(44:27):
a albeit a broken bat, single right back at him,
that should be field the ball, throw it first, go
to the next inning, and because of the pressure of
the moment, he was likely why he bobbled the ball initially.
And then the additional pressure and chaos of having the
bases loaded and a broken bat lay in there and
the crowd going crazy and the game being on the
(44:48):
line and him just I just throw it home and
he freaked out and it looked like little league baseball.
This is not me telling you that analytics nerds don't
have a huge place sports and maybe Jason, you and
I discussed Dave Roberts the decisions they make and how
much of it is him, how much of it is
the front office, how much of it is the analytics
(45:09):
department that doesn't have feel data is important, but there's
always going to be the human element. And a young
guy had a chance to extend the series or extend
the game fielding the ball cleanly throw it the first
he misplays it, and then Butcher's where he should go
with the ball, and then Butcher the throw and the
(45:31):
whole thing ends up costing his team the end of
a game.
Speaker 5 (45:35):
Credit to him, by the way, credit to him for
admitting that it's pressure right. Well, first of all, he
took questions and most of the time you just hear
no excuse, and then you're unfulfilled by like, well why
did you do it? And he actually said the pressure
got to me. How often do you hear pro athletes.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
They know that they won't, they won't, and you know
they'll never say the pressure got to me, and they'll
never say. I think Chris Bosh was the last one.
He talked about his first playoff series with Lebron. I
remember he played poorly, and he was like, look, I'd
just be honest with you. I wasn't ready for that
kind of pressure. You know, go ahead, Dan.
Speaker 4 (46:12):
There's a different type of pressure with this though, because
I do think that kirkering like you can maybe try
to plan like, isn't the pressure that he's facing is
to get Pahz out, to strike him out.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
I just walked.
Speaker 4 (46:27):
I think you walk to Key k Hernanez prior to that.
So the goal is to get him out and then
if you don't strike him out, make sure that you
can make a play or get him to hit a
ball that can be fielded. And so even in that
situation of getting the pressure, he succeeded. He got him
to hit a ball that could be fielded, and then
(46:48):
he didn't field it. And that's the part that to
me is just it's so unpredictable because if he feels
it cleanly in that scenario, I don't think that but
there's any issue. I just think it's the panic that
happened in that millisecond of what he was saying. But
because he felt that he bobbled it and that the
(47:10):
runner was coming home, that everything then went into chaos
because how many times had a slow dribbler just come
back to the mound, and if he knew that there
were two outs, he would know that he would have
all the time in the world. But that millisecond of
just watching the ground ball and him throwing it is
where the pressure got to him. I don't think it
got to him on the initial part that we normally
(47:33):
think of, let's just get this guy out.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
I agree with you, Doug.
Speaker 5 (47:37):
Remember one we had Matt Holiday on it on Tuesday.
You guys specifically talked about this, that it's really tough
to have short touch throws when that's not your position.
Pictures for years have struggled with these touch throws. So
even the throw to first he would have been pressured
to make. But that throw is so unnatural. You're used
(47:59):
to throwing nine five miles an hour home, and now
you have to have some kind of a touch throw
because if he throws it on time, he's out, and
then we're blaming Kim for not sliding right. It's so
Matt Holliday said it. He's like, when you're used to
throwing things at a certain angle for a certain speed,
that touch throw is really tough. So then you add
(48:21):
the pressure of the moment to that touch throw and
it was just chaos and doug in your sport. How
many times do we see maybe in a late second situation,
someone misses shot, get their own rebound and put back
an even worse putback because they weren't necessarily ready for that.
I think we see it in basketball at times too,
Like you miss a shot, Okay, that's pressure, but all
(48:43):
of a sudden you get another chance.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
I'm like, what do I do? You know, so you
just throw it up.
Speaker 1 (48:46):
All the time you miss it to the timing in
your head goes so much quicker. Yes, we do this
all the time. We talk about with players, Hey man,
every you have a you can dribble with every second,
like five seconds left. You can take four dribbles and
get all the way from rim to rim, lay the
ball in. You're fine, and they're like, and then when
you get the ball, your your clock just gets sped up.
(49:07):
And look, a lot of that is experience, And with baseball,
outside of maybe playing in the college World Series, there's
just no ability to replicate that that energy, that moment, Like,
no matter how crazy the environment is att Citizens Bank Ballpark,
still is that what it is still in Philly. Yeah,
(49:28):
I think so, no matter how crazy that environment is
for a regular season game or even a postseason game,
whatever series, season on the line, bases loaded, two outs,
bottom of the eleventh inning, Like, you can't replicate that
till next.
Speaker 3 (49:43):
Year Dodger Stadium. Yeah, nothing you can do.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
And so guys can be the coolest there is. I mean,
we're playing an exhibition game tomorrow night, right, Why Look,
we can't replicate We're playing Kansas No. Umber three, fourteen
thousand people, if not the best coach in the country,
is any conversation unbelievable athletes. The number one draft pick
this year is going to be Darren Peterson. Like, it's crazy.
So we're just trying to replicate on some level what
(50:08):
the bodies and physicality are. But we can't replicate fourteen
thousand people streaming whatever I feel bad for We've talked
about this. Baseball has two completely different seasons, and Philadelphia
is great fans, they'll have great energy, they'll be series
in the year when they play the Mets and it'll
be a zoo. But there's you can't replicate last night,
and the kid does it has until next year to
(50:31):
figure out if he can make that same play next year,
and even then we don't know until it happens. But yeah,
I completely agree with Dan, Like, that's the that's the
amazing thing about pitching is all you're thinking about, right,
And I'm sure part of it is. He's like, he
just walked key k here nann. He's like, fuck, that's
still you gotta like process, okay to wrote out, Okay,
(50:52):
now what's my approach? And all of a sudden, this
ball comes back at you and you bobble it and oh, fudge,
only you didn't say fudge. Gosh. I love Fall baseball.
I love October baseball.
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Doug Gottlieb
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