October 16, 2018 • 46 mins
Doug tells you why the Packers are able to pull off wins even though they don’t have a ton of talent on their roster. He also calls out Giants owner John Mara for enabling Odell Beckham Jr. Falcons TE Austin Hooper joins the show to discuss their win over the Buccaneers and how the rules favor offensive players in the NFL
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of the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Boom,
What Up America, Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Man,
do we have a lot of sports to get to?
John Marras saying, whos Jodell Beckham Jr. Would do a
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lot more playing instead of talking after I game a
bunch of money before he'd ever played to show he
wouldn't talk. Huh huh Um. I'm gonna get to my
thoughts on Monday night football, which was a very close game. Hey,
real quick, just real quick, um, Ramos, who do you
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have in last night's game? Football? I took the Ryan Music.
Who do you have in last night's game? That would
be the Packers? So who did I have in last
night's game? You took the forty Niners who lost. Um,
did I take them to win or did they take
them to cover them? You know, I don't quite remember.
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All I know is you said forty niners and they lost,
And I said Packers and they won. No, no, no,
no scoreboard, Doug, the scoreboard was. I thought the Niners
would keep it close and they did. Uh. There's a
There are a bunch of takeaways. Let me just start
here with Odell Beckham Jr. All Right, this is kind
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of the parenting one oh one thing, the parenting one
oh one thing. I cannot believe how my child is acting,
even though this is the way they've always acted. Right,
my kids asked for two things before bed all the time.
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Oh they're hungry, They're starved, they are famished. They are
so unbelievably hungry. I'm so hungry you don't feed me,
and they're thirsty for water. Now they're like, look, they're
tugging into your heartstrings. Right, You're like, man, I don't
want my kid to go to bed hungry. Like. The
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saddest thing in the world are those commercials where charity
has the face of these actual kids who actually go
to bed hungry. Those are not my children. My children
are well nourished, well cared for. They all have their
own uh a bedroom and the three of them have
two bathrooms. Right, so they're doing well for themselves. So
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here's the deal, all right, they all they still ask
for us to bring them water or can they have
a stack. And the rule is this, don't do once
which you aren't willing to do one thousand times. That's
the rule that's for parenting one oh one Ryan Music
when you eventually get married somewhere in NAPA, hopefully on
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her parents bill. That you guys have been looking at
all these places of coming in like two years, don't
do once which you aren't willing to do a thousand times.
And John Marrow is learning that the hard way in
that players who act like children have to be treated
as such. Yeah, and if you give in to his demands,
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if you allow him to behave like an immature imp,
and you allow him to to be a show and
to yell at various pieces of inanimate equipment on the sidelines,
and then you you get your little Johnny still gets
his allowance. A matter of fact, he didn't just get
his allowance. He gotta raise that allowance. You can't actup
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eyes when he's still acting for water. My sister, by
the way, has the ultimate in this will end them
asking for a snack at bedtime. Are you ready for it?
You guys gonna have broccoli or cauliflower or carrots. Suddenly, remarkably,
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they're not that hungry. No, no, no, I don't want broccoli.
No no, no, I don't want carrots. No no, no,
I don't want cauliflower. Well, that apparently you're not hungry.
Go to bed. And as far as the water, they
are at getting to day himself age, get it, Joe
Day himself. All right, more on that to come. Let's
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get to last night Monday Night football, which was exciting
and there was a controversial call. But after watching the
Miami Dolphins beat the Chicago Bears, and before we act
like the air's got blown out by brock Oswiler and
the Dolphins, even though they were coming off by week,
they're playing in the heat, they're standing in the sun.
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Jordan Howard drops the ball at the one ft line
in the first half and Cody Parkey misses a game
winning field goal in overtime. Otherwise, the Bears are sitting
there at four and one and sitting pretty but the
fact is that, with the exception of one or two plays,
Khalil Mack was rendered relatively ineffective against the Miami Dolphins.
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They chipped him some, but not a ton. They got
rid of it quick, they ran the ball on first down,
they got it to third and manageable. Adam Gates did
a magnificent job of preparing for a terrific pass rush,
and between that and the fact that it was hot,
and the fact that when he got matched up with
Larrymie Tunsil, Larmy Tounsils an outstanding job. So the other side,
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the Miami Dolphins managed to deal and beat Khalil Mack.
And then you watched last night. If you wanted to
tell me that a running back or a wide receiver
or a defensive end has the value anywhere near a quarterback,
that's cool, but I'm gonna cease to listen to you.
In in terms of understanding values, have the real estate
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discussion with a friend if they try and talk about, no,
you don't understand, man, this is an up and coming neighborhood. Like,
that's cool, but you know what, it's not worth as
much as this neighborhood. You know why, because it's about location. Location, location.
Here's the better analogy. Here's why you invest in a quarterback,
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the same reason you invest in the kitchen. Kitchen makes
the house right. Kitchens the first place everybody looks. Kitchens
the place where people gather. If you're going to redo
a house or if you're going to buy a house, obviously,
first it's about location. But second it's about the kitchen.
Redo the kitchen you can redo. Bathrooms. You spend at
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least five minutes of your day in a bathroom. Oh
the television. Oh look they have a theater room. You know,
it's the worst purchase you can ever make when you
buy a house. Jet tub. How many times in the
last five years have you taken a bath? And when
you've taken a bath, have you even thought about the
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jets like, oh, I'll take it all the time. Trust me,
I've had the jet tubs. They're really cool, but you
end up using them like twice a year. You know
what you used every day, three times a day. The
centerpiece of your house, your kitchen. That's what a quarterback is.
And that's why, though the Green Bay Packers are a
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bit of a mess. Though C. J. Bethord marched up
and down the field against them and put thirty points
on them in a loss in Green Bay. They have
Aaron Rodgers. They spent and maybe overspent on the ultimate
sheet code. They're like, you know what, we don't really
need that double thick grant it, but hell it's in
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the kitchen. We don't really need custom cabinets, but hell
it's in the kitchen. Iran Rogers, whom I've told you
time and again, is the best I've ever seen play
the position. No, he's not the most successful. That's Tom Brady,
who also is terrific. But the juctaposition of watching Rogers
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and watching Brady over the past two nights, and yes,
Brady got to win against Kansas City and Rogers got
to win against San Francisco. Kansas City far more game
than San Francisco, but Brady is surrounded by a much
better allotment of talent and much better coaching of the
defensive side of the ball. There's a reason quarterbacks are
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worth more. There's a reason that the NFL wants them
to remain upright. There's a reason that they're calling every
penalty they can on the defense when possible, because the
games are more watchable, they're more fun, and the teams
are just better. And oh yeah, by the way, we've
all spent all that money on the kitchen. You might
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as well go out and go to the good steak
place instead of going down the street and getting something
that still has marks with the jockey was hitting it.
I look around the NFC, which has been wildly disappointed.
We walked into the season thinking, oh man, look it
out loaded. The NFC is Eagles looking like a dynasty, right,
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the Eagles Rams. Oh, the NFC East also had the
the Giants and the Cowboys, the NFC South, the Atlanta
Falcons and the Saints and the Carolina Panthers. And here's
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all you have to know about how good Aaron Rodgers is.
They're playing any of those teams I mentioned outside in
the Vikings. They're playing in those teams outside of the
Rams who I mentioned, And are you picking against Aaron Rodgers.
That's how good he is. That's how important the quarterback is.
That's how much the game skews to that position. The
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only thing missing from last night after that scramble was
Aaron Rodgers dropping the football at mid midfield and going
gladiator on us and saying, are you not entertained? Are
you not entertained? So you can tell me about Brady
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and the jewelry. He's terrific and he's playing now into
NFL Senior citizen range. And I'm not trying to try
and take anything away from Brady. I grew up watching
Joe Montana thinking they would never be anything like it.
You can pick your guy that has more rings, but
nothing spoke to the ineptitude around him, the dysfunction within
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the coaching staff, and yet the utter eliteness of number
twelve in a packer Jersey. That's why Green Bay, though
they screwed a lot of things up. You know, some
of the layout of the house, the yard just not right.
They got the kitchen right, and against any of those
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other NFC teams, you're probably gonna take rogers. Be sure
to catch live editions of The Doug dot Leap Show
weekdays in noon eastern three pm Pacific on Fox Sports
Radio and the I Heart Radio app. John Era is
the owner of the New York Giants. The quote is
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that Odell needs to play more and tuck less. Quote.
I wish he would create headlines by his play on
the field, as opposed to what he says and what
he does off the field. I think he needs to
do a lot a little more playing, a little less talking.
Mara said, I'm still embarrassed to being one in five.
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I can't stand up here and make excuse it to you.
You are what your record says you are. As a
wise man once said, there's nothing I can say to
make people feel better about that. I'm suffering just as
much as our fans are, probably more. Um Pat Shermer
was asked about Mara's comments and says, I don't like
it either. I'm disappointed where one in five were working
to correct that. I've said it before when we lose games,
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I'm disappointed for our players, are coaches, are fans, and
administration that includes John. I know the feeling, but what
did we really expect? Like I can't when when you're
a parent, the one thing I want you want your
kids to do is behave when they're not under your watch.
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Like my my kid goes to today he has tennis.
We say, you know, like, how did you did you
do with the coach? Ask you yes or no, sir?
And did you say thank you when you're done? Be
respectful and if they're not, it's like mortifying just is
like you don't want to be the dad who Yeah,
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I had to tell your son to go sit down
in the corner because he was being a jerk. Like
that just doesn't reflect good upon you as a parent.
And John Merrison there going like, ah Holdell Beckham Jr.
I wish she would do like this was he's under
your watch. You allowed him to act the way he acted,
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and it doesn't matter what you said to Odell by
rewarding him with a huge contract, the biggest contract at
his position in the league before it even played a game.
It wasn't like, well, you know, we went six seven
weeks of playing in the season and he can he
need to act like a leader, He needed to act
like a mench We rewarded him and then things started
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to go bad, Like they didn't play a game. They
gave him a contract before the season began and they
didn't have to so the only people the Giants had
to blame is themselves. That's what his response should be.
You know, I should be surprised about O'Dell and the
way he's acted, the way he's behaved, But this honestly
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falls right on me falls on me. I thought he
had changed, and I gave him money before we saw
some adversity. This, by the way, it was exactly what
I said, what happened, and when I knew would know
whether Odell Beckham Juna would change. It's really easy to say.
It's even easy to do when things are good, but
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it's hard when it's when things are not good. Right.
Remember what when Johnny Men's got drafted by the Browns
and he was interviewed afterwards, and they asked himout Johnny football,
and he goes, hey, I'm just John Menzel from Curvell, Texas.
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You're like, wow, all right, right. He used to combine interviews.
Do you remember what what Johnny Manzel did after he
got drafted that night when I'm Manhattan, sprayed people with champagne, right,
sprayed people with champagne, got on a plane hungover and
flew to Cleveland and winged it. And we were told, no,
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he's different, he's changed. And then I remember a report
very early in the season there was video of players
walking in and Johnny Menzel was walking in with some
of the last guys in. And when the last last guys,
not quarterbacks, last players into the building, and I said
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to myself then, and I think I tweeted it and
said it later on my radio show, like I ain't
buying the men's el thing. I'm not. I think Brian
Hoyer started ahead of him a right, whereas Hoyer was
out on the field while Johnny Menzel was just walking
into the stadium. One guy's a pro, the other guy's
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Johnny Menzel. That's basically we have with Odell Beckham Jr.
It doesn't mean that he's not preparing himself, but here
his issues are separate, distinct from from Menzel's. Right. He's
never been accused of coke or of partying too hard,
with exception when he's with the chick in the bedroom.
But even that people didn't say, well, oh b J
is on coke. It it doesn't look good. And he
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did like to go out around himself people. It's more
about the flamboyant way he acts, the arguments that he
has with teammates, with other teams, and with UH immobiles,
sideline objects, kicking nets and fans. He tried to convinced
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the Giants he changed, maybe I change, Maybe I change,
Maybe I change. He ain't change, same dude. How you
are through adversity. Adverse adversity exposes right, you want to
know what kind of do do you? Dude you are?
Let's find out how you act when you guys get
blown out. That's how you find out what kind of
team you have, what kind of leadership you have, what
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kind of player you are, what kind of person you are.
That's why we should have wins and losses with little kids.
Maybe not when they're six or seven. They get to
eight nine, Like my son was a he's a damn
good baseball player. He played with a different team, got
asked to play, and he didn't play well. He struck out.
Two kids comes in, he starts to hit a kid walking.
Some guys start melting down the mound, struck out. Looking
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next time at bat on a three to count, it's like, hey,
it's like it wasn't fun. I was like, yeah, but
you learn a lot more about yourself, about your team,
about personal growth when you strike out when you lose.
And if the Giants haven't figured this out now, maybe
somebody needs to explain to him the idea of Odell
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Beckham Jr. Saying he's changed and not seeing anything substantive
other than his words. You can't even prove it until
you play a football game. John Marra has no one
to be critical of outside of himself. He's the one
who agreed to terms in the contract. And I'm sure
the other part is he knew it. Remember he was
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ticked last summer when that video came out. Throw up
their hands. Maybe we can need to move on from him.
Then they got talked into it. Now he's changed. Be
sure to catch live editions of The Doug Dot Leap
Show week days in noon eastern three pm Pacific. Here's
what I wonder about Austin Hooper, right, former Stanford guy
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talker Delasal, which is, um, you know anything about California
high school football? You know about conquer Dala Sole. Right
in the North, you got Conquered Dalasal. In the South,
he got Modern Day uh, and then in Vegas you
got Bishop Gorman. Like those are the powerhouses. Gorman's New
Dallas all has been good basketball and football for for years.
I'm I'm fascinating about what he did last weekend in
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their thirty four twenty nine win over the Tampa Ay Buccaneers.
So good, they were so good that they got the
defense according for the Buccaneers. Mike Smith, former Falcon's head coach,
fired all right, um, but I want to know if
that was that the game plan coming in? He got
ten targets, caught nine balls for for seventy one yards
in the touchdown. Are you ready? He's there? Cool? Austin
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Hooper joins us from the Atlanta Falcons on The Doug
out Lip Show on Fox Sports Radio. Did you knew
no going into the game that you were going to
be a huge focal point for the offense? I mean,
you you always have the mindset right that that you're
gonna make plays on game day. If I mean, there
wasn't a set amount of things scripted for me, you know,
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if that makes sense. It kind of just you know,
having in the flow of the game and just work
with the cause. Meant went through his progressions and saw
me and hit me and foundaries. So just try to
take advantage of all those ops I got. Okay, So
I'm just I was just wondering if, like, on Friday night,
you guys get the game plan and you like text
all your buddies who have you on fantasy be like, dude,
you guys need to pick me up because I'm about
to get fed until I burped, no doubt, no doubt,
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no doubt that. Yeah. But the funny part is, like,
like I said, there weren't too many like crazy scripted
plays for me, like some certain ones that you know,
I'm not gonna say on the show or not, but
that I'll text my buddies to play fantasy, like hey
around like around the middle of the game, if you
see it's third and long, some cool should be happening.
But yeah, there wasn't anything too crazy for me in
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the base game planning the sweetie just you know, sometimes
that's just kind of how it shakes out, just on
the run. Okay, So how has this changed? Because, um, look,
I know your rookie year. You you you were catching balls,
and I know when when Jacob Tammy retires you became
a bigger focal point. But it feels like from a
couple of weeks ago when you guys played Pittsburgh, now
all of a sudden, it's like you you are the
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safety blanket. You are the guy he is looking for
outside of Julio, Like, you're the guy. Would you have
twelve targets two weeks ago ten targets this week? Was
it a discussion you guys had. Was it something Sark said,
like it feels like there's a distinct change and how
much Matt's looking for you. Yeah, I mean it's it's
funny on me. I'll remember distinct you know, conversation I
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had with Matt or anything like that. But in this
off season, said going back home and whatnot. I stayed
in Atlanta to work with Matt, and then when he
went out to California UM to continue to work out
prior of the season, I followed him out there. So
I mean we just got thousands of reps together during
the off season, so you know, during certain game plans shifts,
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we want to attack a different part of the opposing defense,
like in Pittsburgh. So I mean that's just kind of starting,
you know, me allowing to get some more targets. And
then how it shook out on Sunday against the Bucks,
it was kind of a similar situation where you just
a final any more. So answer your question, It wasn't
like a specific conversation we had. I feel like that's
just kind of in products of the work we put
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int the offseason, and I would I would guess and
Austin hoop for joining us in the doug Out Live
show if people haven't followed the Falcons. In addition to
Davante Freeman today being placed on I R. You guys
have had just a ridiculous amount of injuries, right Keian O'Neil, Dion, James,
Andy levitre obviously hurting you guys with you know, losing
that type of guard Ricardo Allen. You guys have just
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been crushed by injuries. Um, how much does that change
how you guys play and who you guys are? I mean,
I think you know it's tough. I always losing you know,
your your brothers to injuries like I mean, especially the
once you don't you uh, you don't want to hear about.
But I mean at the end of the day, what
do you do. I mean, it's the next man out
of mentality. I mean with those those a lot of
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guys and we'll support them the fullest. But you know
as well as I do. I mean just a partless game.
I mean that's just so you got to deal with
when you go to work every day and the profession.
But our mindset who we are hasn't changed. I mean,
dan Quinn does a tremendous job of keeping the focus
on the task at hand. And we're all, you know, well,
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we all have the same idea on game day what
we want to do. But I mean, injuries are just
part of the game. All kids that have the you know,
next man, you know, do his job as well, if
not better. It's it's weird that you guys lost those
the couples. You lost the Bengals in the shootout, right,
you lost the Saints in a shootout. You lost a
close game to the Eagles, you know where you couldn't
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couldn't punch it in right in the red zone. So
it's like you're two and four, but but it feels
like you're a lot better than the record. What's it
like around the facility when the old expression, the old
Bill Parsonsels expression is you are what your record says
you are. You guys are two and four, but doesn't
feel like you're two and four? Team? What's it like
going to work? I mean, he's gonna have the same mentality.
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I mean, you already know that most of the games
are excited by three points or less. I mean that's
the NFL. That's what makes the viewership the way it is.
It's incredibly competitive. So yeah, when you lose those heartbreakers
going down the final drive and like over time or
you know, going down to the final kick something like that.
I mean I'd rather I'd rather take and I believe
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I mean you you rather just take a win however
you can get out. I mean, if you lose your louse,
all you can do is just keep having the same
mentality'll be ready to come back to work and give
it your best. Yeah, that's that's really all you can do. Better,
better to win ugly than lose pretty. That's exactly that's
the old Austin Hooper joining us in the Doug Gotlip
Show on Fox Portrait you should be pointing out that
the Stanford guy needed the Oklahoma State guy to to
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share within the old adages that just you know, I
know you got in the Stanford, but it was a
lot a lot of us because your incredible looks and
athletic ability. Austin Hooper joining us on the Doug Gotlip Show. Um, Julio, Julio,
the best catch you've ever seen Julio pull off? Is
it the Super Bowl catch? Yeah? I mean the private
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and I've been his teammate for three years now, so
I mean he'll do some crazy stuff in practice too,
So I mean I've seen him do such so many
freak things that you almost become kind of desensitized to it,
you know what I mean. But that Super Bowl catch
was unlike anything I've ever seen because I was in
the backfield doing pass protection and I see this ball
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get thrown, like, oh man, there's no way. I see
Julio jump up over the back of this guy, grab
it and toe tap it right on the sideline. I
was like, that was the greatest catch I've ever seen.
What's amazing about our and this is like this is
more to me a public and a sports media guy.
Um issue I have is that would have been considered
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the greatest catch in Super Bowl history. But because you
guys didn't win the game, I don't know if it
will get it to do, you know what I mean,
Whereas they'll probably unfortunately be lost and you know, the
greatest place the Super Bowl history because I mean, you
know it did end the way it ended, because I mean,
up until you know Edelmen made that catch and kind
of swung the momentum. I mean, the best catch of
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the game was coolly on the side on the sideline.
He made another one in the game too. I mean,
is what it is. It goes down like that sometimes
in NFL history. How long did it really take to
get over it? Um? I mean, I'm not gonna lie
to you. It stacks to go ball, go to distance
like that and come up short. Um. But I mean
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the best thing that helped me out was just remembering,
you know, the sun's got all them all. I mean,
to take a deep breath and move on. I mean,
there's nothing else you can do. All you can do
for a minute is like to laugh. Like anything else,
no matter how much you know the fans of the
media want to build it up. At the end of
the day, it isn't And I mean it's obviously the
one that you've been dreaming about since you're a five
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year old kid in the backyard playing catch with your dad.
But the end of the day, what are you gonna do.
You didn't dwell on it, You're gonna move on and
prove So that's kind of way you know, I viewed it.
But you know it is tough. There's no way to slice.
Last year, you guys were three and three. You guys
lost in New England seven, and then all of a sudden,
you you know, you got a close win over a
bad Jets team on the road, and things things kind
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of start to look up. And where you know, look
in the playoffs. Um, I mean obviously you you're very
You're right there. You could you had a ball in
the air to Julio, you could have beaten the Eagles
who end up winning the thing. Uh, what can you
take from last year's turnaround and bring it to this
year to start winning those close games that you so
far lost. I mean there's really no sequel sauce or
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anything like that. I mean, all comes down. It was
just work, camaraderiemy and more time we've spent around each other,
more time where in these you know, very tough situations.
I mean that's where you really get characters. So I mean,
even though we haven't found success earlier, I mean the
battle scars that we've had anonymous season, they're playing it
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over times, playing late in the games, things like that
with a lot of guys. You know, this is there.
This was we going to week seven. I mean they
only had you know, three or four or five starts
under their belt through the injuries, So I mean, these
guys are getting better and you can see it every
single game. So I mean, I have a lot of
faith in my team and the guys. We have Austin
Hooper joining us in the Doug Gottlip Show on Fox
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Sports Radio. You get the Giants, Um, they are a
team that kind of is struggling. I'm I'm wondering this
about and you've only been the league a couple of years.
But with with all, with the with the kind of
adjustment in the rules, and continue to protect the quarterback
and protect especially the wide receivers, a lot of defensive holds,
a lot of past interference. Does it feel like a
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different game during the game or is it just a
different game to the you know, final score watching to
those of us watching at home and then of that
entirely about it. But yeah, it does change the game
for sure. I mean, talking to some of the defensive
linemen we have on arches, like things you out there
is just clarity right like what is permissible what is not?
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And if there is a hard you know, black and white,
it would make the understanding so much easier for all
players across the board. But I feel like everything is
justice gray area limbo type where we just don't really
know exactly what is okay and what is not. So
I mean, if there's a little more clarity, I feel
like everybody, um will be a lot better off. Nonetheless,
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though it's given us you know, three or four year
games have been exciting as anything. Last night's Monday night
football game incredibly exciting. Sunday Night football was incredibly exciting.
So it's like like, yeah, it's during it. It's got
to be really hard, especially defensively, too hard to play
to know how to do your job. But to the
viewer at home, like, we don't care because between fantasy
and regular you know, gambling and just watching football, that
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the shootouts are a lot better watch, no doubt. I
mean people want to watch point to watch you know,
game go, you know nine a set if you want
to watch that, watching Sea, But people want to watch
the NFL. You can hold on, dude, you went to Stanford.
Don't act like you guys were running oop to you,
you know, going five why you guys were putting up
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some boy. But but when you but when you played
in the Rose Bowl, I distinctly remember like a fourth
and fourth and one to which you guys line up
with like fifteen offensive linemen on the field and just
try to run it into Michigan State in the line.
So we've been doing so good. Why you gotta bring
that up, Austin? Listen, congrats on the huge week. Make
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sure you put us on that text chain when you
know you're gonna get the rock like ten eleven times
so we can send it out to all our buddies.
Continued health and success. I know you got that bye
week and and the first half of the season on
to win. Appreciate you joining us. Thanks for having Doug.
All right, that's Austin Hooper joining us in the Doug
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name is Daniel Jeremiah. He joins us the top of
the third final hour of the Doug Gottlieb Show. DJ.
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Why didn't you watch Bears Dolphins? You know what I
actually put in. I said, I think, you know, Matt
money Smith could handle this thing solo. I've got Doug
working the sidelines, and I just think it'd be a
better use of my time if I could just kind
of take that and get out the pen and paper
and take some notes and see if I can't learn something. Yeah, listen,
I can give you some stuff if you like. I mean,
we can. I'll see some texts on on on some
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of the things that the Dolphins did getting rid of
the ball really really quickly. So so Brock was comfortable.
I thought they ran some quick game um and they
ran the ball. They ran. They ran the ball on
first down a bunch with Frank Gore and usually for
plus yardage, and if they didn't get plus yardage on
first down, they'd run it again on second down. So
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it was this is a team that came into the
game thirty one times they had been third and seven
or more, and I think they were only third or
seven or more like two times the entire game. So
they did a really good job of third and manageable
for Rock. It's pretty it's pretty incredible to me when
you look at this Dolphins team and you look around
the league. Uh, for my money, you know, I can
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make a case that the Dolphins that the collection is
far out performing the talent right now. Um, they're playing
above their heads. I guess I should say the record
is better than the roster. Well, well, you know the opposite. Yeah. Look,
they did the culture change thing, and I would tell
you that the two names that you know, um, Jarvis
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LANDI wasn't beloved, but he was. He was talented, he
was productive. But the two guys that they parted with
that they were least sad to see go Jay Cutler
and Dominican Sue bad culture guys and that guy that
that was a really good culture as were the Chicago Bears.
I thought two teams are pretty close knit. And I
actually bought what they're selling us. Yeah. No, I look
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that they know the building. That's why it's hard when
you're always asked on the outside you know why, you know,
why would they do this? It doesn't make any sense
from the outside. It's like, well, when you're when you're
inside the building and you know all the thinner workings there,
and it's it can be it really can be additioned
by a subtraction and you can't argue with the results
right now where they sit. All right, let's get to
some of the stories of the day, the games at
the moment um. What's your takeaway last night Aaron Rodgers
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leading the Green Bay Packers to another win. Well, I mean,
my biggest takeaway is how good Kyle Shanahan is. As
weird as that sounds, Um, you know, for them to
be competitive in that game when you look at what
they're working with, Um, that was the biggest takeaway from me.
And then Aaron is to you know, still, there's other
guys that can make as good a throw on occasion,
but there's no more gifted consistent thrower than Aaron Rodgers.
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He's just what he can do with the football is
ridiculous from a consistency standpoint, with the with the velocity
and everything else to go along with it. It's it's
pretty incredible in Kansas City win a super Bowl with
that defense. Um, I would say five years ago, no,
but this is a different league right now. Um, And
they've just got to find a way that this is
a college formula right now. You've got to find a
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way generate a couple of turnovers and uh, and play
really really good red zone defense. So that's where I'd
be placing my focus if I were there, if I
were them, and get in Houston back and get him
and uh and Deft hot. It's almost like a picture.
If you can get those pass rushers to get hot
in the postseason, you know, you don't need to be
dominant for a sixteen game stretch. You need to be
dominant for a three game stretch. Doug otliv show Fox
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Sports Trader. That's the voice of Daniel Jeremiah Um the
The New England Patriots always seem to figure out what
they have. Is it that they figured out, Hey, you
know what, we can run the football? We can we
can really run the football. Set things up with the
run first, and that really, in addition to getting um
Edelman back, has really changed things. Know what's weird with
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them though, Dougs, when you watch them a lot of
these teams, you know when you're watching the tape every
week and you kind of see, Okay, this is this
is what they do, this is what they major in,
and they're gonna build off this, that or the other.
And it really is with the Patriots. You can watch
him one week and they're under center the whole game.
The next week they're in the shotgun in the whole game.
One week, there's a fullback, next week the fullback disappears. Um,
they just continue to amaze me with how they just
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kind of tinkering toy and depending on who they're playing,
determines what they're gonna do. And I thought it was
clear to see they thought in that game, you know, hey,
ball control a little bit more than usual, run the football,
established the line, instagramage, keep Kansas City off the field.
I thought they alway, it's amazing they always find the
right strategy to win that particular football game. Look, I
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know he's hurt, but do we all miss Undershaun Watson?
Is he just is he another one of these guys
that look, he's a running quarterback and he's gonna get
banged up and in the pocket, he's just not accurate enough. Well,
you know, I'm always look, let's let's just let it breathe.
It's the same thing I caution to people that, you know,
with all these risk quarterbacks want to say this is
this was the right move, this was the wrong move. Um,
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let's just let's let it breathe. Let's give it some
time here, and you know, I am gonna give him
a little bit of gracious because the injury and say
there's still some rust to knock off. I did think
he made some big plays inside the pocket last year.
We haven't seen as much of it this year. But
to me, yeah, let's let's just hold off and wait
and give it a little bit more time there. But
you're not loving what you're seeing right now. And it's
it's easy. It's easy to feel that way when you
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watch um what he's doing. He doesn't look comfortable. Daniel
Jeremiah joining us in the Doug Gottlieb Show here on
Fox Sports Radio. If you don't know DJ, move the sticks.
As the podcast downloaded, put it in your queue. Watch
him in the NFL network. He also calls the games
as an analyst for the Chargers radio network. Let me
ask you about the Chargers. I thought they had a
great game plan. Really the offensive line dominated, and then
they just kind of built a wall so that Baker
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couldn't see down the middle of the field inside the
hashes where he's most effective. Did they expose Baker or
is just this just a really good team that outmanned
the Cleveland Browns. You know, its interesting. Haven't been there
in the stadium. And I told us to some folks
at halftime, They're asked, like, what's going on? What do
you think the deals with Baker and so well? You know,
he rolled his ankle early in that game off to
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the off the sideline, and because of that, the mobility
thing was it was a major issue. Not because he
couldn't get outside the pocket extend plays or take off
and run or throw on the move, because he couldn't
be sudden with his movement within the pocket. And I honestly, Doug,
I don't think he could see. You talk about, you know,
the wall being in front of you if you aren't
sudden and quick to be able to slide and climb
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and move around and find those open windows when you're
underside's quarterback. There were times he's patting the ball, patting
the ball, patting the ball, and I'm like, I don't
think he can see. I don't think you see where
you know where guys are? Um. You know that being said,
they had some drops. You know, you add in a
couple of those drops, turned those into catches, the stat
line will look a little bit better what had at
least another touchdown or maybe even two on his sheet.
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But no, they did. They collapsed him. It wasn't like
it was immediate pressure that was getting him. It was
just kind of a steady push and he didn't get
rid of the ball. Considering they don't have Joey Bosa
and granted, you know, they didn't show up against Chiefs
early and you know, they couldn't cover Tyreek Hill, although
a lot of people can't cover Tyreek Hill, and they
weren't good enough to beat the Rams. Um, it feels
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like it's a team that's playing well and Chargers that
still has not come anywhere near their peak. Is that crazy?
It's not crazy at all. And I think they, you know,
talking to him every week, they kind of enjoyed laying
in the week a little bit and and playing the
you know, two of the best three teams in the
NFL early on in the season without your best player
and Joey Bosa. Um, you know, losing to them, there's
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no shame and you can go back. We can revisit
that Kansas City game and they give up a you know,
kick return to Tyreek Hill, drop four touchdowns, Tyro Tyroe
and and Travis Benjamin both dropped touchdowns in that game. Um,
so I thought that game was pretty competitive. In the
Rams game, you know, the same same type of thing.
They moved the ball up and down the field. They
just couldn't finish drives when they got down there. So
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I didn't leave that stadium either one of them either
one of those times. Think, Man, the Charges don't belong
with the class of the NFL, but they do need
to at some point in time get some some quality
victories against really good teams. They're doing what they need
to do, beating teams that they're clearly better than. Uh,
the big challenge is going to be now as you
step up in competition in the in the towards the
end of the season, when they're gonna see some good
teams like the Ravens, like the Chiefs again, Uh, find
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a way to win some of those. Um feels like
Gruten's gutting this team. I mean he should, especially last
week he told us, Look, it just wasn't very good
football team. But does that god job include Derek Carr.
It wouldn't shock me. Um, you know, I know he's
I just think John Gruens is kind of all over
the place. Depends on on the day you catch him,
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whether he's in love with his quarterback, he's concerned about
his quarterback. You know, the same with Amari Cooper, same
with a lot of their personnel. It's just kind of
a roller coaster ride. Um from what you hear, So
nothing would surprise me at this point in time. I
made a comment the other day. I know he said
today he took offense to uh, the insinuation that they
were tanking. Um, I would just say, look, that's one
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thing I think you could make a chase that the
NBA got right. I mean, that's the worst thing you
can do is be a six seven, eight win team
and in that world. So if if it's me and
you've already treated Khalil mac, you've signaled you're not winning
anything right now. So don't go half in, jump all
the way in. You're gonna have a top pick next year,
and then and go get your your quarterback in the future.
If you don't believe there are cars the guy and
and get as many other pictures you can to totally
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revamped this roster. I completely agree. Like, look, baseball does it.
Astro is one of World Series last year. If you
go back two thousand thirteen, they tanked. Now everybody in
baseball is tanking. I completely agree. Uh, he just has
done it maybe on the I don't know if this
was was Plan A or Plan B or play and C,
but it does feel like that's that's what they're doing.
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Stug Gotlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Um, what
do you make of the candle Carolina Panthers, another team
kind of all over the map, could have lost to
the the Giants at home, then did lose to the
Washington Redskins on the road. I don't know. I mean
that's the there's they're a team. Uh that When I
watch him, I just think, man, anybody that bets on
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NFL football is certifiably nuts because the Carolina Panthers are
a great example. You do not know what you're gonna
get from them on a weekly basis. And when Cam
you see it when you go back and watch it,
when Cam's kept clean and he's got some room, uh
some room around his legs to be able to put
his feet in the ground, Uh, he can play winning football.
He throws obviously with plenty of velocity. You can drive
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the ball and accurately and all that stuff. But then
when the Redskins got around his legs and he's falling off, grows,
the ball goes all over the place. So that's one
of the issues that's been there in the past, continues
to be there. Um. The good news for the Panthers,
I think when you just you see and you see
a guy, a big time receiver, uh in greg Olson
getting him back in the mix, and he got his
feet wet a little bit here, we're gonna see him
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get more comfortable. That'll be a big addition for them,
getting a big tight end back. What do you do
if you're Jacksonville with Blake Portles, considering he's got another
he's he signed a new contract, what do you do?
You know it there is a belief, there's a strong
belief in the in the personnel department in Blake Portals
and it's been unwavering. Um. I just I just would
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hate to waste of what could be. You know, if
you keep him this year and you keep them in
the next year, you could have a three year period
where you had a championship caliber football team. Um, that's
your quarterback just isn't good enough. Um, So I hope
they're not in that situation, I'd be at least making
calls to see what's what's out there at Jacoby Brissette.
And I probably wouldn't do it inside the division. I'm
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guessing what the colts, but I'd inquire and see what
was out there. I call on the I call on
Teddy Bridgewater. Probably can't pull that off either, but I'm
at least I'm at least doing some homework and trying. Yeah,
I mean, it's it's it's crazy because they're they're screwed.
They can't they can't go get anybody makes money, right,
they have to get somebody who's who's making backup money.
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And to me though, it was you know the you know,
with all the money they had, they have a lot
of room. They still have a lot of young players
are gonna have happen to pay. But they never were really.
They never really got in on the Kirk Cousins thing.
They committed to Blake and and that was their deal.
And I think that might come down being one of
the big mistakes because I would imagine Kirk went to
Minnesota because he thought it was the best chance for
him to win. That was what his decision was about.
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The money you just had to meet the threshold um.
And I think that Jacksonville, I mean, if they if
they meet that threshold, who knows. I think he might
have gone to Jacksonville over Minnesota. Yeah, they got they
got better personnel though in Minnesota. In Minnesota in terms
of what in terms of wide receivers um. All right,
Levyan Bell doesn't make it back till week ten, make
I don't know what four million dollars or so your
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Pittsburgh you play him right like you're not gonna sit
him when you're playing him all that money and he's
that talented. Yeah, I mean maybe you give him a
little bit of a pitch count initially just to make
sure you don't have any soft tissue injuries. But even
when you watch that game and Connor had, you know,
a very productive game, but there's some of those runs.
You know that the eights that tends the twelves with
Levian Bell, you know rolling those are twenties and thirties
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and forties, you know, so he is an upgrade and uh,
if you're like you're trying to hunt down a championship,
you get your best guys on the field. Just gotta
make sure you don't overuse him early on those injuries.
Last thing I and this this does go to the
Bears deal. Um I thought out of a time out
they hit on a touchdown. But uh, but he he
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left some He left some throws out there that you know,
I don't know. I like Mitch a lot. They love
him in terms of his personality and what he ultimately
will be. And he's very athletic. Get a huge run
to start the second half, which kind of triggered their
their first try to put points on the board. But
he he can get inaccurate, he can get He does
make only pre snap reads. It feels like, but I
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have this hypothesis I want to throw out at you. Okay,
So they run that Kansa City stuff where there's all
kinds of motion, all kind of movement, and they're only
really running a cup. They're not running a ton of plays,
but they give you a bunch of different looks. You know.
It's kind of a sleight of hand thing, right. One
of the reason I think they're not as good latent games,
and this is Kansas City sometimes and and with Chicago
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is when you're running two minutes drill, you can't do
all that stuff. You just gotta kind of line up,
call the play and go. Is that is that a
viable hypotheses over maybe why it doesn't work as much
in the playoffs are in second half some big games,
is that you can't do with so much slight of hand.
You know, I'd be totally honestly that I've never thought
about that, but it actually is a great point. Um.
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They're able to use motions and shifts and formations to
manipulate defenses to get the matchups that they want. And
it is you know, you can't do they get a
line up, snapp the ball and go. When you're in
a two minute situation, then it becomes more about players
than plays. You know, can you win one on one
and can you make the throw? Um? So, I'll be
honestly that's that's actually a great point. And uh, and
what I want to think about and talk to some
coaches about because it is pretty interesting, alright. Cool. And
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then the other thing is they they love Anthony Miller.
I don't know you like him as a wide receiver.
I need a great route runners, tough, toughest nails to
man Mark helforts could not have been more fused in
his prey. He's like, look, I've only been in the
NFL for says, you know, seven months or six seven
months or so. He's like, so, I don't know what
a pro bowler looks like, but I'm just telling you
that's what a Pro Bowl looks like. To me. He's like,
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he's gonna be big time, and they really like, all right, listen,
thanks so much for joining us. Great work on the
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of the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Boom,
What Up America, Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Man,
do we have a lot of sports to get to?
John Marras saying, whos Jodell Beckham Jr. Would do a
(00:43):
lot more playing instead of talking after I game a
bunch of money before he'd ever played to show he
wouldn't talk. Huh huh Um. I'm gonna get to my
thoughts on Monday night football, which was a very close game. Hey,
real quick, just real quick, um, Ramos, who do you
(01:06):
have in last night's game? Football? I took the Ryan Music.
Who do you have in last night's game? That would
be the Packers? So who did I have in last
night's game? You took the forty Niners who lost. Um,
did I take them to win or did they take
them to cover them? You know, I don't quite remember.
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All I know is you said forty niners and they lost,
And I said Packers and they won. No, no, no,
no scoreboard, Doug, the scoreboard was. I thought the Niners
would keep it close and they did. Uh. There's a
There are a bunch of takeaways. Let me just start
here with Odell Beckham Jr. All Right, this is kind
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of the parenting one oh one thing, the parenting one
oh one thing. I cannot believe how my child is acting,
even though this is the way they've always acted. Right,
my kids asked for two things before bed all the time.
(02:07):
Oh they're hungry, They're starved, they are famished. They are
so unbelievably hungry. I'm so hungry you don't feed me,
and they're thirsty for water. Now they're like, look, they're
tugging into your heartstrings. Right, You're like, man, I don't
want my kid to go to bed hungry. Like. The
(02:28):
saddest thing in the world are those commercials where charity
has the face of these actual kids who actually go
to bed hungry. Those are not my children. My children
are well nourished, well cared for. They all have their
own uh a bedroom and the three of them have
two bathrooms. Right, so they're doing well for themselves. So
(02:55):
here's the deal, all right, they all they still ask
for us to bring them water or can they have
a stack. And the rule is this, don't do once
which you aren't willing to do one thousand times. That's
the rule that's for parenting one oh one Ryan Music
when you eventually get married somewhere in NAPA, hopefully on
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her parents bill. That you guys have been looking at
all these places of coming in like two years, don't
do once which you aren't willing to do a thousand times.
And John Marrow is learning that the hard way in
that players who act like children have to be treated
as such. Yeah, and if you give in to his demands,
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if you allow him to behave like an immature imp,
and you allow him to to be a show and
to yell at various pieces of inanimate equipment on the sidelines,
and then you you get your little Johnny still gets
his allowance. A matter of fact, he didn't just get
his allowance. He gotta raise that allowance. You can't actup
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eyes when he's still acting for water. My sister, by
the way, has the ultimate in this will end them
asking for a snack at bedtime. Are you ready for it?
You guys gonna have broccoli or cauliflower or carrots. Suddenly, remarkably,
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they're not that hungry. No, no, no, I don't want broccoli.
No no, no, I don't want carrots. No no, no,
I don't want cauliflower. Well, that apparently you're not hungry.
Go to bed. And as far as the water, they
are at getting to day himself age, get it, Joe
Day himself. All right, more on that to come. Let's
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get to last night Monday Night football, which was exciting
and there was a controversial call. But after watching the
Miami Dolphins beat the Chicago Bears, and before we act
like the air's got blown out by brock Oswiler and
the Dolphins, even though they were coming off by week,
they're playing in the heat, they're standing in the sun.
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Jordan Howard drops the ball at the one ft line
in the first half and Cody Parkey misses a game
winning field goal in overtime. Otherwise, the Bears are sitting
there at four and one and sitting pretty but the
fact is that, with the exception of one or two plays,
Khalil Mack was rendered relatively ineffective against the Miami Dolphins.
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They chipped him some, but not a ton. They got
rid of it quick, they ran the ball on first down,
they got it to third and manageable. Adam Gates did
a magnificent job of preparing for a terrific pass rush,
and between that and the fact that it was hot,
and the fact that when he got matched up with
Larrymie Tunsil, Larmy Tounsils an outstanding job. So the other side,
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the Miami Dolphins managed to deal and beat Khalil Mack.
And then you watched last night. If you wanted to
tell me that a running back or a wide receiver
or a defensive end has the value anywhere near a quarterback,
that's cool, but I'm gonna cease to listen to you.
In in terms of understanding values, have the real estate
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discussion with a friend if they try and talk about, no,
you don't understand, man, this is an up and coming neighborhood. Like,
that's cool, but you know what, it's not worth as
much as this neighborhood. You know why, because it's about location. Location, location.
Here's the better analogy. Here's why you invest in a quarterback,
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the same reason you invest in the kitchen. Kitchen makes
the house right. Kitchens the first place everybody looks. Kitchens
the place where people gather. If you're going to redo
a house or if you're going to buy a house, obviously,
first it's about location. But second it's about the kitchen.
Redo the kitchen you can redo. Bathrooms. You spend at
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least five minutes of your day in a bathroom. Oh
the television. Oh look they have a theater room. You know,
it's the worst purchase you can ever make when you
buy a house. Jet tub. How many times in the
last five years have you taken a bath? And when
you've taken a bath, have you even thought about the
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jets like, oh, I'll take it all the time. Trust me,
I've had the jet tubs. They're really cool, but you
end up using them like twice a year. You know
what you used every day, three times a day. The
centerpiece of your house, your kitchen. That's what a quarterback is.
And that's why, though the Green Bay Packers are a
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bit of a mess. Though C. J. Bethord marched up
and down the field against them and put thirty points
on them in a loss in Green Bay. They have
Aaron Rodgers. They spent and maybe overspent on the ultimate
sheet code. They're like, you know what, we don't really
need that double thick grant it, but hell it's in
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the kitchen. We don't really need custom cabinets, but hell
it's in the kitchen. Iran Rogers, whom I've told you
time and again, is the best I've ever seen play
the position. No, he's not the most successful. That's Tom Brady,
who also is terrific. But the juctaposition of watching Rogers
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and watching Brady over the past two nights, and yes,
Brady got to win against Kansas City and Rogers got
to win against San Francisco. Kansas City far more game
than San Francisco, but Brady is surrounded by a much
better allotment of talent and much better coaching of the
defensive side of the ball. There's a reason quarterbacks are
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worth more. There's a reason that the NFL wants them
to remain upright. There's a reason that they're calling every
penalty they can on the defense when possible, because the
games are more watchable, they're more fun, and the teams
are just better. And oh yeah, by the way, we've
all spent all that money on the kitchen. You might
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as well go out and go to the good steak
place instead of going down the street and getting something
that still has marks with the jockey was hitting it.
I look around the NFC, which has been wildly disappointed.
We walked into the season thinking, oh man, look it
out loaded. The NFC is Eagles looking like a dynasty, right,
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the Eagles Rams. Oh, the NFC East also had the
the Giants and the Cowboys, the NFC South, the Atlanta
Falcons and the Saints and the Carolina Panthers. And here's
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all you have to know about how good Aaron Rodgers is.
They're playing any of those teams I mentioned outside in
the Vikings. They're playing in those teams outside of the
Rams who I mentioned, And are you picking against Aaron Rodgers.
That's how good he is. That's how important the quarterback is.
That's how much the game skews to that position. The
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only thing missing from last night after that scramble was
Aaron Rodgers dropping the football at mid midfield and going
gladiator on us and saying, are you not entertained? Are
you not entertained? So you can tell me about Brady
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and the jewelry. He's terrific and he's playing now into
NFL Senior citizen range. And I'm not trying to try
and take anything away from Brady. I grew up watching
Joe Montana thinking they would never be anything like it.
You can pick your guy that has more rings, but
nothing spoke to the ineptitude around him, the dysfunction within
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the coaching staff, and yet the utter eliteness of number
twelve in a packer Jersey. That's why Green Bay, though
they screwed a lot of things up. You know, some
of the layout of the house, the yard just not right.
They got the kitchen right, and against any of those
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other NFC teams, you're probably gonna take rogers. Be sure
to catch live editions of The Doug dot Leap Show
weekdays in noon eastern three pm Pacific on Fox Sports
Radio and the I Heart Radio app. John Era is
the owner of the New York Giants. The quote is
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that Odell needs to play more and tuck less. Quote.
I wish he would create headlines by his play on
the field, as opposed to what he says and what
he does off the field. I think he needs to
do a lot a little more playing, a little less talking.
Mara said, I'm still embarrassed to being one in five.
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I can't stand up here and make excuse it to you.
You are what your record says you are. As a
wise man once said, there's nothing I can say to
make people feel better about that. I'm suffering just as
much as our fans are, probably more. Um Pat Shermer
was asked about Mara's comments and says, I don't like
it either. I'm disappointed where one in five were working
to correct that. I've said it before when we lose games,
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I'm disappointed for our players, are coaches, are fans, and
administration that includes John. I know the feeling, but what
did we really expect? Like I can't when when you're
a parent, the one thing I want you want your
kids to do is behave when they're not under your watch.
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Like my my kid goes to today he has tennis.
We say, you know, like, how did you did you
do with the coach? Ask you yes or no, sir?
And did you say thank you when you're done? Be
respectful and if they're not, it's like mortifying just is
like you don't want to be the dad who Yeah,
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I had to tell your son to go sit down
in the corner because he was being a jerk. Like
that just doesn't reflect good upon you as a parent.
And John Merrison there going like, ah Holdell Beckham Jr.
I wish she would do like this was he's under
your watch. You allowed him to act the way he acted,
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and it doesn't matter what you said to Odell by
rewarding him with a huge contract, the biggest contract at
his position in the league before it even played a game.
It wasn't like, well, you know, we went six seven
weeks of playing in the season and he can he
need to act like a leader, He needed to act
like a mench We rewarded him and then things started
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to go bad, Like they didn't play a game. They
gave him a contract before the season began and they
didn't have to so the only people the Giants had
to blame is themselves. That's what his response should be.
You know, I should be surprised about O'Dell and the
way he's acted, the way he's behaved, But this honestly
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falls right on me falls on me. I thought he
had changed, and I gave him money before we saw
some adversity. This, by the way, it was exactly what
I said, what happened, and when I knew would know
whether Odell Beckham Juna would change. It's really easy to say.
It's even easy to do when things are good, but
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it's hard when it's when things are not good. Right.
Remember what when Johnny Men's got drafted by the Browns
and he was interviewed afterwards, and they asked himout Johnny football,
and he goes, hey, I'm just John Menzel from Curvell, Texas.
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You're like, wow, all right, right. He used to combine interviews.
Do you remember what what Johnny Manzel did after he
got drafted that night when I'm Manhattan, sprayed people with champagne, right,
sprayed people with champagne, got on a plane hungover and
flew to Cleveland and winged it. And we were told, no,
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he's different, he's changed. And then I remember a report
very early in the season there was video of players
walking in and Johnny Menzel was walking in with some
of the last guys in. And when the last last guys,
not quarterbacks, last players into the building, and I said
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to myself then, and I think I tweeted it and
said it later on my radio show, like I ain't
buying the men's el thing. I'm not. I think Brian
Hoyer started ahead of him a right, whereas Hoyer was
out on the field while Johnny Menzel was just walking
into the stadium. One guy's a pro, the other guy's
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Johnny Menzel. That's basically we have with Odell Beckham Jr.
It doesn't mean that he's not preparing himself, but here
his issues are separate, distinct from from Menzel's. Right. He's
never been accused of coke or of partying too hard,
with exception when he's with the chick in the bedroom.
But even that people didn't say, well, oh b J
is on coke. It it doesn't look good. And he
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did like to go out around himself people. It's more
about the flamboyant way he acts, the arguments that he
has with teammates, with other teams, and with UH immobiles,
sideline objects, kicking nets and fans. He tried to convinced
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the Giants he changed, maybe I change, Maybe I change,
Maybe I change. He ain't change, same dude. How you
are through adversity. Adverse adversity exposes right, you want to
know what kind of do do you? Dude you are?
Let's find out how you act when you guys get
blown out. That's how you find out what kind of
team you have, what kind of leadership you have, what
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kind of player you are, what kind of person you are.
That's why we should have wins and losses with little kids.
Maybe not when they're six or seven. They get to
eight nine, Like my son was a he's a damn
good baseball player. He played with a different team, got
asked to play, and he didn't play well. He struck out.
Two kids comes in, he starts to hit a kid walking.
Some guys start melting down the mound, struck out. Looking
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next time at bat on a three to count, it's like, hey,
it's like it wasn't fun. I was like, yeah, but
you learn a lot more about yourself, about your team,
about personal growth when you strike out when you lose.
And if the Giants haven't figured this out now, maybe
somebody needs to explain to him the idea of Odell
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Beckham Jr. Saying he's changed and not seeing anything substantive
other than his words. You can't even prove it until
you play a football game. John Marra has no one
to be critical of outside of himself. He's the one
who agreed to terms in the contract. And I'm sure
the other part is he knew it. Remember he was
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ticked last summer when that video came out. Throw up
their hands. Maybe we can need to move on from him.
Then they got talked into it. Now he's changed. Be
sure to catch live editions of The Doug Dot Leap
Show week days in noon eastern three pm Pacific. Here's
what I wonder about Austin Hooper, right, former Stanford guy
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talker Delasal, which is, um, you know anything about California
high school football? You know about conquer Dala Sole. Right
in the North, you got Conquered Dalasal. In the South,
he got Modern Day uh, and then in Vegas you
got Bishop Gorman. Like those are the powerhouses. Gorman's New
Dallas all has been good basketball and football for for years.
I'm I'm fascinating about what he did last weekend in
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their thirty four twenty nine win over the Tampa Ay Buccaneers.
So good, they were so good that they got the
defense according for the Buccaneers. Mike Smith, former Falcon's head coach,
fired all right, um, but I want to know if
that was that the game plan coming in? He got
ten targets, caught nine balls for for seventy one yards
in the touchdown. Are you ready? He's there? Cool? Austin
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Hooper joins us from the Atlanta Falcons on The Doug
out Lip Show on Fox Sports Radio. Did you knew
no going into the game that you were going to
be a huge focal point for the offense? I mean,
you you always have the mindset right that that you're
gonna make plays on game day. If I mean, there
wasn't a set amount of things scripted for me, you know,
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if that makes sense. It kind of just you know,
having in the flow of the game and just work
with the cause. Meant went through his progressions and saw
me and hit me and foundaries. So just try to
take advantage of all those ops I got. Okay, So
I'm just I was just wondering if, like, on Friday night,
you guys get the game plan and you like text
all your buddies who have you on fantasy be like, dude,
you guys need to pick me up because I'm about
to get fed until I burped, no doubt, no doubt,
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no doubt that. Yeah. But the funny part is, like,
like I said, there weren't too many like crazy scripted
plays for me, like some certain ones that you know,
I'm not gonna say on the show or not, but
that I'll text my buddies to play fantasy, like hey
around like around the middle of the game, if you
see it's third and long, some cool should be happening.
But yeah, there wasn't anything too crazy for me in
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the base game planning the sweetie just you know, sometimes
that's just kind of how it shakes out, just on
the run. Okay, So how has this changed? Because, um, look,
I know your rookie year. You you you were catching balls,
and I know when when Jacob Tammy retires you became
a bigger focal point. But it feels like from a
couple of weeks ago when you guys played Pittsburgh, now
all of a sudden, it's like you you are the
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safety blanket. You are the guy he is looking for
outside of Julio, Like, you're the guy. Would you have
twelve targets two weeks ago ten targets this week? Was
it a discussion you guys had. Was it something Sark said,
like it feels like there's a distinct change and how
much Matt's looking for you. Yeah, I mean it's it's
funny on me. I'll remember distinct you know, conversation I
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had with Matt or anything like that. But in this
off season, said going back home and whatnot. I stayed
in Atlanta to work with Matt, and then when he
went out to California UM to continue to work out
prior of the season, I followed him out there. So
I mean we just got thousands of reps together during
the off season, so you know, during certain game plans shifts,
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we want to attack a different part of the opposing defense,
like in Pittsburgh. So I mean that's just kind of starting,
you know, me allowing to get some more targets. And
then how it shook out on Sunday against the Bucks,
it was kind of a similar situation where you just
a final any more. So answer your question, It wasn't
like a specific conversation we had. I feel like that's
just kind of in products of the work we put
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int the offseason, and I would I would guess and
Austin hoop for joining us in the doug Out Live
show if people haven't followed the Falcons. In addition to
Davante Freeman today being placed on I R. You guys
have had just a ridiculous amount of injuries, right Keian O'Neil, Dion, James,
Andy levitre obviously hurting you guys with you know, losing
that type of guard Ricardo Allen. You guys have just
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been crushed by injuries. Um, how much does that change
how you guys play and who you guys are? I mean,
I think you know it's tough. I always losing you know,
your your brothers to injuries like I mean, especially the
once you don't you uh, you don't want to hear about.
But I mean at the end of the day, what
do you do. I mean, it's the next man out
of mentality. I mean with those those a lot of
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guys and we'll support them the fullest. But you know
as well as I do. I mean just a partless game.
I mean that's just so you got to deal with
when you go to work every day and the profession.
But our mindset who we are hasn't changed. I mean,
dan Quinn does a tremendous job of keeping the focus
on the task at hand. And we're all, you know, well,
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we all have the same idea on game day what
we want to do. But I mean, injuries are just
part of the game. All kids that have the you know,
next man, you know, do his job as well, if
not better. It's it's weird that you guys lost those
the couples. You lost the Bengals in the shootout, right,
you lost the Saints in a shootout. You lost a
close game to the Eagles, you know where you couldn't
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couldn't punch it in right in the red zone. So
it's like you're two and four, but but it feels
like you're a lot better than the record. What's it
like around the facility when the old expression, the old
Bill Parsonsels expression is you are what your record says
you are. You guys are two and four, but doesn't
feel like you're two and four? Team? What's it like
going to work? I mean, he's gonna have the same mentality.
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I mean, you already know that most of the games
are excited by three points or less. I mean that's
the NFL. That's what makes the viewership the way it is.
It's incredibly competitive. So yeah, when you lose those heartbreakers
going down the final drive and like over time or
you know, going down to the final kick something like that.
I mean I'd rather I'd rather take and I believe
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I mean you you rather just take a win however
you can get out. I mean, if you lose your louse,
all you can do is just keep having the same
mentality'll be ready to come back to work and give
it your best. Yeah, that's that's really all you can do. Better,
better to win ugly than lose pretty. That's exactly that's
the old Austin Hooper joining us in the Doug Gotlip
Show on Fox Portrait you should be pointing out that
the Stanford guy needed the Oklahoma State guy to to
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share within the old adages that just you know, I
know you got in the Stanford, but it was a
lot a lot of us because your incredible looks and
athletic ability. Austin Hooper joining us on the Doug Gotlip Show. Um, Julio, Julio,
the best catch you've ever seen Julio pull off? Is
it the Super Bowl catch? Yeah? I mean the private
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and I've been his teammate for three years now, so
I mean he'll do some crazy stuff in practice too,
So I mean I've seen him do such so many
freak things that you almost become kind of desensitized to it,
you know what I mean. But that Super Bowl catch
was unlike anything I've ever seen because I was in
the backfield doing pass protection and I see this ball
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get thrown, like, oh man, there's no way. I see
Julio jump up over the back of this guy, grab
it and toe tap it right on the sideline. I
was like, that was the greatest catch I've ever seen.
What's amazing about our and this is like this is
more to me a public and a sports media guy.
Um issue I have is that would have been considered
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the greatest catch in Super Bowl history. But because you
guys didn't win the game, I don't know if it
will get it to do, you know what I mean,
Whereas they'll probably unfortunately be lost and you know, the
greatest place the Super Bowl history because I mean, you
know it did end the way it ended, because I mean,
up until you know Edelmen made that catch and kind
of swung the momentum. I mean, the best catch of
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the game was coolly on the side on the sideline.
He made another one in the game too. I mean,
is what it is. It goes down like that sometimes
in NFL history. How long did it really take to
get over it? Um? I mean, I'm not gonna lie
to you. It stacks to go ball, go to distance
like that and come up short. Um. But I mean
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the best thing that helped me out was just remembering,
you know, the sun's got all them all. I mean,
to take a deep breath and move on. I mean,
there's nothing else you can do. All you can do
for a minute is like to laugh. Like anything else,
no matter how much you know the fans of the
media want to build it up. At the end of
the day, it isn't And I mean it's obviously the
one that you've been dreaming about since you're a five
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year old kid in the backyard playing catch with your dad.
But the end of the day, what are you gonna do.
You didn't dwell on it, You're gonna move on and
prove So that's kind of way you know, I viewed it.
But you know it is tough. There's no way to slice.
Last year, you guys were three and three. You guys
lost in New England seven, and then all of a sudden,
you you know, you got a close win over a
bad Jets team on the road, and things things kind
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of start to look up. And where you know, look
in the playoffs. Um, I mean obviously you you're very
You're right there. You could you had a ball in
the air to Julio, you could have beaten the Eagles
who end up winning the thing. Uh, what can you
take from last year's turnaround and bring it to this
year to start winning those close games that you so
far lost. I mean there's really no sequel sauce or
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anything like that. I mean, all comes down. It was
just work, camaraderiemy and more time we've spent around each other,
more time where in these you know, very tough situations.
I mean that's where you really get characters. So I mean,
even though we haven't found success earlier, I mean the
battle scars that we've had anonymous season, they're playing it
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over times, playing late in the games, things like that
with a lot of guys. You know, this is there.
This was we going to week seven. I mean they
only had you know, three or four or five starts
under their belt through the injuries, So I mean, these
guys are getting better and you can see it every
single game. So I mean, I have a lot of
faith in my team and the guys. We have Austin
Hooper joining us in the Doug Gottlip Show on Fox
(28:18):
Sports Radio. You get the Giants, Um, they are a
team that kind of is struggling. I'm I'm wondering this
about and you've only been the league a couple of years.
But with with all, with the with the kind of
adjustment in the rules, and continue to protect the quarterback
and protect especially the wide receivers, a lot of defensive holds,
a lot of past interference. Does it feel like a
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different game during the game or is it just a
different game to the you know, final score watching to
those of us watching at home and then of that
entirely about it. But yeah, it does change the game
for sure. I mean, talking to some of the defensive
linemen we have on arches, like things you out there
is just clarity right like what is permissible what is not?
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And if there is a hard you know, black and white,
it would make the understanding so much easier for all
players across the board. But I feel like everything is
justice gray area limbo type where we just don't really
know exactly what is okay and what is not. So
I mean, if there's a little more clarity, I feel
like everybody, um will be a lot better off. Nonetheless,
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though it's given us you know, three or four year
games have been exciting as anything. Last night's Monday night
football game incredibly exciting. Sunday Night football was incredibly exciting.
So it's like like, yeah, it's during it. It's got
to be really hard, especially defensively, too hard to play
to know how to do your job. But to the
viewer at home, like, we don't care because between fantasy
and regular you know, gambling and just watching football, that
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the shootouts are a lot better watch, no doubt. I
mean people want to watch point to watch you know,
game go, you know nine a set if you want
to watch that, watching Sea, But people want to watch
the NFL. You can hold on, dude, you went to Stanford.
Don't act like you guys were running oop to you,
you know, going five why you guys were putting up
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some boy. But but when you but when you played
in the Rose Bowl, I distinctly remember like a fourth
and fourth and one to which you guys line up
with like fifteen offensive linemen on the field and just
try to run it into Michigan State in the line.
So we've been doing so good. Why you gotta bring
that up, Austin? Listen, congrats on the huge week. Make
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sure you put us on that text chain when you
know you're gonna get the rock like ten eleven times
so we can send it out to all our buddies.
Continued health and success. I know you got that bye
week and and the first half of the season on
to win. Appreciate you joining us. Thanks for having Doug.
All right, that's Austin Hooper joining us in the Doug
Gottlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. Fox Sports Radio has
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(30:59):
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game except for mine work for the NFL network. His
name is Daniel Jeremiah. He joins us the top of
the third final hour of the Doug Gottlieb Show. DJ.
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Why didn't you watch Bears Dolphins? You know what I
actually put in. I said, I think, you know, Matt
money Smith could handle this thing solo. I've got Doug
working the sidelines, and I just think it'd be a
better use of my time if I could just kind
of take that and get out the pen and paper
and take some notes and see if I can't learn something. Yeah, listen,
I can give you some stuff if you like. I mean,
we can. I'll see some texts on on on some
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of the things that the Dolphins did getting rid of
the ball really really quickly. So so Brock was comfortable.
I thought they ran some quick game um and they
ran the ball. They ran. They ran the ball on
first down a bunch with Frank Gore and usually for
plus yardage, and if they didn't get plus yardage on
first down, they'd run it again on second down. So
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it was this is a team that came into the
game thirty one times they had been third and seven
or more, and I think they were only third or
seven or more like two times the entire game. So
they did a really good job of third and manageable
for Rock. It's pretty it's pretty incredible to me when
you look at this Dolphins team and you look around
the league. Uh, for my money, you know, I can
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make a case that the Dolphins that the collection is
far out performing the talent right now. Um, they're playing
above their heads. I guess I should say the record
is better than the roster. Well, well, you know the opposite. Yeah. Look,
they did the culture change thing, and I would tell
you that the two names that you know, um, Jarvis
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LANDI wasn't beloved, but he was. He was talented, he
was productive. But the two guys that they parted with
that they were least sad to see go Jay Cutler
and Dominican Sue bad culture guys and that guy that
that was a really good culture as were the Chicago Bears.
I thought two teams are pretty close knit. And I
actually bought what they're selling us. Yeah. No, I look
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that they know the building. That's why it's hard when
you're always asked on the outside you know why, you know,
why would they do this? It doesn't make any sense
from the outside. It's like, well, when you're when you're
inside the building and you know all the thinner workings there,
and it's it can be it really can be additioned
by a subtraction and you can't argue with the results
right now where they sit. All right, let's get to
some of the stories of the day, the games at
the moment um. What's your takeaway last night Aaron Rodgers
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leading the Green Bay Packers to another win. Well, I mean,
my biggest takeaway is how good Kyle Shanahan is. As
weird as that sounds, Um, you know, for them to
be competitive in that game when you look at what
they're working with, Um, that was the biggest takeaway from me.
And then Aaron is to you know, still, there's other
guys that can make as good a throw on occasion,
but there's no more gifted consistent thrower than Aaron Rodgers.
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He's just what he can do with the football is
ridiculous from a consistency standpoint, with the with the velocity
and everything else to go along with it. It's it's
pretty incredible in Kansas City win a super Bowl with
that defense. Um, I would say five years ago, no,
but this is a different league right now. Um, And
they've just got to find a way that this is
a college formula right now. You've got to find a
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way generate a couple of turnovers and uh, and play
really really good red zone defense. So that's where I'd
be placing my focus if I were there, if I
were them, and get in Houston back and get him
and uh and Deft hot. It's almost like a picture.
If you can get those pass rushers to get hot
in the postseason, you know, you don't need to be
dominant for a sixteen game stretch. You need to be
dominant for a three game stretch. Doug otliv show Fox
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Sports Trader. That's the voice of Daniel Jeremiah Um the
The New England Patriots always seem to figure out what
they have. Is it that they figured out, Hey, you
know what, we can run the football? We can we
can really run the football. Set things up with the
run first, and that really, in addition to getting um
Edelman back, has really changed things. Know what's weird with
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them though, Dougs, when you watch them a lot of
these teams, you know when you're watching the tape every
week and you kind of see, Okay, this is this
is what they do, this is what they major in,
and they're gonna build off this, that or the other.
And it really is with the Patriots. You can watch
him one week and they're under center the whole game.
The next week they're in the shotgun in the whole game.
One week, there's a fullback, next week the fullback disappears. Um,
they just continue to amaze me with how they just
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kind of tinkering toy and depending on who they're playing,
determines what they're gonna do. And I thought it was
clear to see they thought in that game, you know, hey,
ball control a little bit more than usual, run the football,
established the line, instagramage, keep Kansas City off the field.
I thought they alway, it's amazing they always find the
right strategy to win that particular football game. Look, I
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know he's hurt, but do we all miss Undershaun Watson?
Is he just is he another one of these guys
that look, he's a running quarterback and he's gonna get
banged up and in the pocket, he's just not accurate enough. Well,
you know, I'm always look, let's let's just let it breathe.
It's the same thing I caution to people that, you know,
with all these risk quarterbacks want to say this is
this was the right move, this was the wrong move. Um,
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let's just let's let it breathe. Let's give it some
time here, and you know, I am gonna give him
a little bit of gracious because the injury and say
there's still some rust to knock off. I did think
he made some big plays inside the pocket last year.
We haven't seen as much of it this year. But
to me, yeah, let's let's just hold off and wait
and give it a little bit more time there. But
you're not loving what you're seeing right now. And it's
it's easy. It's easy to feel that way when you
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watch um what he's doing. He doesn't look comfortable. Daniel
Jeremiah joining us in the Doug Gottlieb Show here on
Fox Sports Radio. If you don't know DJ, move the sticks.
As the podcast downloaded, put it in your queue. Watch
him in the NFL network. He also calls the games
as an analyst for the Chargers radio network. Let me
ask you about the Chargers. I thought they had a
great game plan. Really the offensive line dominated, and then
they just kind of built a wall so that Baker
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couldn't see down the middle of the field inside the
hashes where he's most effective. Did they expose Baker or
is just this just a really good team that outmanned
the Cleveland Browns. You know, its interesting. Haven't been there
in the stadium. And I told us to some folks
at halftime, They're asked, like, what's going on? What do
you think the deals with Baker and so well? You know,
he rolled his ankle early in that game off to
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the off the sideline, and because of that, the mobility
thing was it was a major issue. Not because he
couldn't get outside the pocket extend plays or take off
and run or throw on the move, because he couldn't
be sudden with his movement within the pocket. And I honestly, Doug,
I don't think he could see. You talk about, you know,
the wall being in front of you if you aren't
sudden and quick to be able to slide and climb
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and move around and find those open windows when you're
underside's quarterback. There were times he's patting the ball, patting
the ball, patting the ball, and I'm like, I don't
think he can see. I don't think you see where
you know where guys are? Um. You know that being said,
they had some drops. You know, you add in a
couple of those drops, turned those into catches, the stat
line will look a little bit better what had at
least another touchdown or maybe even two on his sheet.
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But no, they did. They collapsed him. It wasn't like
it was immediate pressure that was getting him. It was
just kind of a steady push and he didn't get
rid of the ball. Considering they don't have Joey Bosa
and granted, you know, they didn't show up against Chiefs
early and you know, they couldn't cover Tyreek Hill, although
a lot of people can't cover Tyreek Hill, and they
weren't good enough to beat the Rams. Um, it feels
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like it's a team that's playing well and Chargers that
still has not come anywhere near their peak. Is that crazy?
It's not crazy at all. And I think they, you know,
talking to him every week, they kind of enjoyed laying
in the week a little bit and and playing the
you know, two of the best three teams in the
NFL early on in the season without your best player
and Joey Bosa. Um, you know, losing to them, there's
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no shame and you can go back. We can revisit
that Kansas City game and they give up a you know,
kick return to Tyreek Hill, drop four touchdowns, Tyro Tyroe
and and Travis Benjamin both dropped touchdowns in that game. Um,
so I thought that game was pretty competitive. In the
Rams game, you know, the same same type of thing.
They moved the ball up and down the field. They
just couldn't finish drives when they got down there. So
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I didn't leave that stadium either one of them either
one of those times. Think, Man, the Charges don't belong
with the class of the NFL, but they do need
to at some point in time get some some quality
victories against really good teams. They're doing what they need
to do, beating teams that they're clearly better than. Uh,
the big challenge is going to be now as you
step up in competition in the in the towards the
end of the season, when they're gonna see some good
teams like the Ravens, like the Chiefs again, Uh, find
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a way to win some of those. Um feels like
Gruten's gutting this team. I mean he should, especially last
week he told us, Look, it just wasn't very good
football team. But does that god job include Derek Carr.
It wouldn't shock me. Um, you know, I know he's
I just think John Gruens is kind of all over
the place. Depends on on the day you catch him,
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whether he's in love with his quarterback, he's concerned about
his quarterback. You know, the same with Amari Cooper, same
with a lot of their personnel. It's just kind of
a roller coaster ride. Um from what you hear, So
nothing would surprise me at this point in time. I
made a comment the other day. I know he said
today he took offense to uh, the insinuation that they
were tanking. Um, I would just say, look, that's one
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thing I think you could make a chase that the
NBA got right. I mean, that's the worst thing you
can do is be a six seven, eight win team
and in that world. So if if it's me and
you've already treated Khalil mac, you've signaled you're not winning
anything right now. So don't go half in, jump all
the way in. You're gonna have a top pick next year,
and then and go get your your quarterback in the future.
If you don't believe there are cars the guy and
and get as many other pictures you can to totally
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revamped this roster. I completely agree. Like, look, baseball does it.
Astro is one of World Series last year. If you
go back two thousand thirteen, they tanked. Now everybody in
baseball is tanking. I completely agree. Uh, he just has
done it maybe on the I don't know if this
was was Plan A or Plan B or play and C,
but it does feel like that's that's what they're doing.
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Stug Gotlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Um, what
do you make of the candle Carolina Panthers, another team
kind of all over the map, could have lost to
the the Giants at home, then did lose to the
Washington Redskins on the road. I don't know. I mean
that's the there's they're a team. Uh that When I
watch him, I just think, man, anybody that bets on
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NFL football is certifiably nuts because the Carolina Panthers are
a great example. You do not know what you're gonna
get from them on a weekly basis. And when Cam
you see it when you go back and watch it,
when Cam's kept clean and he's got some room, uh
some room around his legs to be able to put
his feet in the ground, Uh, he can play winning football.
He throws obviously with plenty of velocity. You can drive
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the ball and accurately and all that stuff. But then
when the Redskins got around his legs and he's falling off, grows,
the ball goes all over the place. So that's one
of the issues that's been there in the past, continues
to be there. Um. The good news for the Panthers,
I think when you just you see and you see
a guy, a big time receiver, uh in greg Olson
getting him back in the mix, and he got his
feet wet a little bit here, we're gonna see him
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get more comfortable. That'll be a big addition for them,
getting a big tight end back. What do you do
if you're Jacksonville with Blake Portles, considering he's got another
he's he signed a new contract, what do you do?
You know it there is a belief, there's a strong
belief in the in the personnel department in Blake Portals
and it's been unwavering. Um. I just I just would
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hate to waste of what could be. You know, if
you keep him this year and you keep them in
the next year, you could have a three year period
where you had a championship caliber football team. Um, that's
your quarterback just isn't good enough. Um, So I hope
they're not in that situation, I'd be at least making
calls to see what's what's out there at Jacoby Brissette.
And I probably wouldn't do it inside the division. I'm
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guessing what the colts, but I'd inquire and see what
was out there. I call on the I call on
Teddy Bridgewater. Probably can't pull that off either, but I'm
at least I'm at least doing some homework and trying. Yeah,
I mean, it's it's it's crazy because they're they're screwed.
They can't they can't go get anybody makes money, right,
they have to get somebody who's who's making backup money.
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And to me though, it was you know the you know,
with all the money they had, they have a lot
of room. They still have a lot of young players
are gonna have happen to pay. But they never were really.
They never really got in on the Kirk Cousins thing.
They committed to Blake and and that was their deal.
And I think that might come down being one of
the big mistakes because I would imagine Kirk went to
Minnesota because he thought it was the best chance for
him to win. That was what his decision was about.
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The money you just had to meet the threshold um.
And I think that Jacksonville, I mean, if they if
they meet that threshold, who knows. I think he might
have gone to Jacksonville over Minnesota. Yeah, they got they
got better personnel though in Minnesota. In Minnesota in terms
of what in terms of wide receivers um. All right,
Levyan Bell doesn't make it back till week ten, make
I don't know what four million dollars or so your
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Pittsburgh you play him right like you're not gonna sit
him when you're playing him all that money and he's
that talented. Yeah, I mean maybe you give him a
little bit of a pitch count initially just to make
sure you don't have any soft tissue injuries. But even
when you watch that game and Connor had, you know,
a very productive game, but there's some of those runs.
You know that the eights that tends the twelves with
Levian Bell, you know rolling those are twenties and thirties
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and forties, you know, so he is an upgrade and uh,
if you're like you're trying to hunt down a championship,
you get your best guys on the field. Just gotta
make sure you don't overuse him early on those injuries.
Last thing I and this this does go to the
Bears deal. Um I thought out of a time out
they hit on a touchdown. But uh, but he he
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left some He left some throws out there that you know,
I don't know. I like Mitch a lot. They love
him in terms of his personality and what he ultimately
will be. And he's very athletic. Get a huge run
to start the second half, which kind of triggered their
their first try to put points on the board. But
he he can get inaccurate, he can get He does
make only pre snap reads. It feels like, but I
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have this hypothesis I want to throw out at you. Okay,
So they run that Kansa City stuff where there's all
kinds of motion, all kind of movement, and they're only
really running a cup. They're not running a ton of plays,
but they give you a bunch of different looks. You know.
It's kind of a sleight of hand thing, right. One
of the reason I think they're not as good latent games,
and this is Kansas City sometimes and and with Chicago
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is when you're running two minutes drill, you can't do
all that stuff. You just gotta kind of line up,
call the play and go. Is that is that a
viable hypotheses over maybe why it doesn't work as much
in the playoffs are in second half some big games,
is that you can't do with so much slight of hand.
You know, I'd be totally honestly that I've never thought
about that, but it actually is a great point. Um.
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They're able to use motions and shifts and formations to
manipulate defenses to get the matchups that they want. And
it is you know, you can't do they get a
line up, snapp the ball and go. When you're in
a two minute situation, then it becomes more about players
than plays. You know, can you win one on one
and can you make the throw? Um? So, I'll be
honestly that's that's actually a great point. And uh, and
what I want to think about and talk to some
coaches about because it is pretty interesting, alright. Cool. And
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then the other thing is they they love Anthony Miller.
I don't know you like him as a wide receiver.
I need a great route runners, tough, toughest nails to
man Mark helforts could not have been more fused in
his prey. He's like, look, I've only been in the
NFL for says, you know, seven months or six seven
months or so. He's like, so, I don't know what
a pro bowler looks like, but I'm just telling you
that's what a Pro Bowl looks like. To me. He's like,
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he's gonna be big time, and they really like, all right, listen,
thanks so much for joining us. Great work on the
radio and the TV. We'll check out the pod this
week and appreciate being our guest on Fox Sports Radio
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