Was it a Homerun or Was it an Out? & Ed Werder

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a Thursday, getting you a scept for Week seven of
the National Football League. A huge debut in the Purple
and Gold tonight in PORTLANDA. But we start off with controversy,
Bucky controversy in Major League Baseball. Red Sox up three
one on the Houston Astros, and they aren't happy in
Texas today. No, they aren't happy, and they shouldn't be

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happy because they had a rule they kind of went
against him. And I can't imagine. I can imagine being
Astros fans today and trying to figure out how my team,
my favorite team lost a game that seemed like it
was trending their way. The Houston Astros last night, and
the bottom of the first inning had a runner on
base when Jose L Two came to the plate, down

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to nothing, I would love to play the highlight for you,
but here's the fact of the matter. The whole situation
took five minutes to sort out, like it was a
long five minutes. L two bas home run goes into
the stands. Mookie Bets of the Boston Red Sox jumps
up from his right field position, puts his glove up
into the stand. The ball is ricochet's off of his glove.

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After fans closed, Mookie bets his glove in short umpire
Joe West calls interference, calling Jose l two b out.
But the rule in Major League Baseball states that if
the ball has crossed the yellow line and is into
the stands, then there was no interference. Interference can only

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happen if a fan reaches over that yellow line or
onto the field of play. And that's not what happened
last night by Key. And the interpretation of what the
rule was, as you said, was not delivered last night.
You may believe it. Many Astro's fans believe it. Heck
Astro's manager A. J. Hinch, believes they got the call

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wrong last night. A J. What did you think of
the call on Jose two bays? Do you think I thought?
What did what did I see? I saw fan interference.
I've had this a couple of times or we have
as a team, and they deemed the fan reached over
into the field of play and interfered with debts. And
Jose pays the biggest price because the trajectory of the
ball looked like it was going to leave the ballpark.

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But we assume, and you can assume a lot with
Mookie because he's an incredible athlete. We assume he's going
to make this spectacular catch, jumping as high as he
can into the into the crowd. I asked for a review,
and obviously they're gonna give it to us. They reviewed
it and came back with the same outcome. So once
the fan reaches in, you know, past that line of
the fence there, I mean, we're gonna penalize hitters. And

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last night the question was did the fan actually crossed
that yellow line? Thanks to MLB Network as well for
the the A J. Hinch sound we've got there. But
that's that's the question, Bucky. And this is this is
where I sit on it, because it was so easy
last night to yell at Joe West for making the
call for Joe West being Joe West has been umpiring

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games in Major League Baseball for forty years. He was
on the field when Nolan Ryan threw his fifth no hitter. Okay,
that's the true story. He was. He was one of
the umpires in that game. But it's easy to pile on.
And the rule wasn't interpreted last night the way that
it should have been in the rule book. But I'm
fine with that. I actually think Mookie Betts makes that
play and jose L Tuba is out. The only thing

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that would have been affected is if the runner on
first advances to second base. I actually the rule was
was not interpreted last night, and I'm actually fine with
it today. I have no problems with it. No, well,
I really do have problems with it because it happened
so early in the game that I don't know how
big a real impact it had on the outcome. Yes,
you can say you take to two runs off the board.

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Um energy, maybe the energy that was in the stadium. However,
there were so many other players that happened within the
course of the game that we really don't know. I
do understand the managers concerned because it didn't look like
the fan was necessarily reaching over the line, and all
of that is subject to interpretation, but I think at

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some point you want to keep the fans away from
the game. You want to keep them out of the mix.
You don't want them to have an impact, particularly in
a championship series when everything is tightly contested. You would
like to be able to remove the fans and their
interactions with the game and with the players to prevent
this kind of stuff from happening. I understand that it
didn't follow with the rule, but to your to your point,

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think about this, the baseball rules are stating that it's
okay for a fan to close a player's glove to
allow them to not catch a fly ball, Like that's
what the rule isn't saying that, but that's what it's saying.
And that's what's so amazing to me and why the
rule is so awful. Listen, Joe West isn't awful. He

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maybe for other reasons, but last night, he wasn't awful.
The call wasn't awful, the replay wasn't awful. I'm sorry
it wasn't. The rule stinks and Mookie Betts was going
to make that catch, he was going to I'm sorry
it would have been a magnificent catch and you can say, well,
it would have been difficult. No, he was on his
way to making the catch until the fan closed his
glove and then it Rickores Jet off of his glove.

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By the way, another story, if you have if there
weren't fans there, Bucky, and you reached over the fence
and brought it back and threw it in, it's still
a live ball, like like the ball needs to go
over the fence and land. So this actually Ricky Jay
is off his hand or his glove and another fan's
hand and that makes an interference. But it fell back
into the field to play. It's not like it fell
into the stands. The point is is the rule is

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so bad that I just I can't overlook that portion
of it. I'm glad they didn't follow the rule last night.
I'm glad that they held up the replay because to me,
it's idiotic to have fans have any sort of play
in it. And to your point, moving back five feet,
you're the Houston Astros. You're playing that ballpark anyone times
a year. You're the one who's likely to get screwed
by it the most, and they were last night they

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were screwed by the rule. And you're right, moving back,
moving back away from the field to play. And I
understand where the time where everyone wants to have more access,
it's all about fans having more access, bringing him closer
to the game, letting get a sense of what players
are able to experience and feel when they're on the
field of play. However, we've seen time and time again

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when you bring them closer, things occur. We we've seen
this happen a couple of different times when we talk
about fans in interaction and fan interference. But in a
game that might have been the biggest game of the
Houston Astros season, we saw a fan impact the outcome
of the game because they were a little over zealous
in reaching for a home and and and I don't

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when you're sitting in those seats in the bleacher, it's
difficult to turn away. And if you have a ball
coming at you, you're going for it. Right. You see
four guys standing there trying to catch the ball. The
one guy closes his eyes, I probably would turn it
away and duck, I don't want to break my hand
trying to catch a fly ball. But that's the reaction

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is to try to catch the ball. So I don't
even I don't even blame them. I I don't blame
I think that we would all have that sort of reaction.
We even saw a couple of nights ago on a
follow a ball in the Brewers Dodger series where Christian
Yellows went to trying to make a sliding catch and
it was just one fan who reached over. There was
no fan interference called at that time. But all of
a sudden, you've got an arm that's leaning over and

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followed territory while running at a wall. It can be
somewhat distracting. I just look at it like this. It's
it's a bad, bad rule. Don't be mad at at
the umpires last night for getting it right, because that's
how it should have been. It it infuriates me to
sit there and say, well, they didn't follow the rule
when it's a bad rule. I look at it in
the NBA, and we were talking before the show. If

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a guy goes to the basket, is driving to the
basket and just gets hammered on the arm and the
ball flies out of bounds and they don't know who
it was off of I am totally fine with saying
we missed the call, we missed, we missed the foul.
We're just gonna give it to the team when you
double down and say, not only did we miss the call,
but because we missed the foul that went off of
you other teams possession. Two wrongs don't make a right.

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And I think that last night Joe West, well he
didn't have the best angle, and while replay couldn't overturn it,
which replays a whole another aspect and all of this,
I just think it's an awful rule from Major League
Baseball to have. And the Boston Red Sox for everybody
who's saying, yes, the baseball failed by not getting the
rule right, good because this would have been for the
good of baseball. I just there's so many instances, Bucky,

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where we shouldn't follow what the rules are because they're
so ridiculous, and I think it I think it was
a good move last night of Major League Baseball. Well yeah,
I mean I think it was a good move because
you have to have these kind of things happened to
make people have these hardline discussions, and so maybe out
of all of this we have a discussion and maybe
to what your suggestion was, maybe they will move the
flans back a little bit five ft just so they're

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not able to impact the game, particularly went us on
line and something that is a high stakes invent. Put
a royal flowers there. Put put something there to at
least Yeah, I just I love gardening. I love gardening.
Uh those weeds that they've got growing, Yeah, it would
give some greenery. I think it would spice it up.

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He remember, Houston is also the team that had the
little hill in center field with the flagpole there. They
took it out. It was gimmicky, but you do have
fans sitting there, and they're not the only park to
have fans right over the field. But these things come
with it, and if your team is going to be
disadvantaged more because of it, maybe maybe they're that close

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because they're like, heck, if we just put it in there,
they'll call that, they won't be able to call interference
and then will benefit by it. Major League Baseball got
the rule right last night, and even though the rule
was wrong, they got it right. Highlan, Joel West, you
want they made the right move. Mookie Bats catches that
ball and it should have been an out. Sorry, Houston.
That's the way it is, by the way, Houston. In

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an awful night last night, the Rockets rocket, the Pelicans
took them to the ship. Wow. They did rough the
rough night and the the span of a couple of blocks
in the great city of Houston. He's Bucky Brooks. I'm
Dan Buyer. This is the Doug Gotlap Show here on
Fox Sports Radio. You can always tweet his Bucky. They
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Coming up next, there's a showdown in the Desert tonight.

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But as John Elway left, the Brocos hung out to dry.
We'll talk about that next year on The Doug Gotleap Show.
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Brooks Broncos Cardinals tonight. I know it's two and four
against one in five, but there's just there's some intrigue here,
maybe the first real look at Josh Rosen for for
some people you've got Denver just gave the Rams a
bit of a bit of a game, but a little

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bit of intrigue tonight on Fox. Yeah, I think so.
I think a lot of intrigue. I think there's intrigue
about what's going to happen in Denver if they don't
play up to the standard tonight. And then when you
have a young quarterback and Josh Rose and a guy
who really has been kind of under the radar in
terms of all the rookies, you get an opportunity to
see him on a national game, prime time stage. Though
excitement about that. He's a longtime NFL insider. Check him

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out on the Doomsday Podcast and follow him on Twitter
at Edward r f a Edward or joins us here
on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Hey, ed how you doing today? Um? Well,
how are you guys? We are we are doing well.
If you had to give John Elway an overall grade
as the quarterback, yeah no, that would be way too easy.
That would be way too easy. We're gonna We're gonna
crank it up a notch as the president of the

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Denver Broncos. What kind of grade do you give John Elway?
I'm gonna give him a buh because he went to
a Super Bowl, uh, won a Super Bowl as a
director of football operations for the team he put together.
Uh the year that he went out and got a
new defensive starter at you know, defense on the defensive

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line and linebacker. Uh and in the secondary, and won
a Super Bowl with Peyton Manning, even though Peyton was
sort of at the end of his career and wasn't
a dominant player anymore. So I'm gonna give him that
grade even though his recent drafts have not been very
good and he still hasn't figured out the quarterback situation,
you know, And is that the biggest surprise that Alway,

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great quarterback, all the fame quarterback, hasn't been able to
find a quarterback France as quarterback for the never Broncos. Yeah,
it's it's kind of surprising in in that you know,
he should know what one looks like because he was one.
But sometimes those guys, it seems like, who are so
tremendously gifted um and play a certain way, don't have

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the I for a quarterback who might have a different
build and a different set of you know, a different
skill set than than they did. Um. But yeah, I
mean Elway, I have no qualms at ault heard Elway
works and the priority he would put on the quarterback position.
And you know, he even brought Gary Koupiak back in
uh this year after he had retired as a coach

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for health reasons, brought him back in in a personnel
role so that he could help them evaluate the quarterback position.
And then they obviously went and signed a veteran um
who had played for Kobi act before in case Keenum,
who has not delivered like they expected. You know, he
only had seven interceptions all of last year, or they
admired his uh you know, ball security already has eight

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picks one in every game this year, so he's been
a disappointment, and so it still appears that they don't
have the quarterback position right with I think the possible exception.
I don't know how much you saw Chad Kelly during
training camp in preseason, but I thought he was awfully impressive.
Jim Kelly's nephew, has a great arm uh, seemed to
have a great command, wasn't intimidated in the situations he

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got into games. And if they don't turn this around
pretty soon, I wouldn't be surprised if Chad Kelly at
some point starts getting some some game opportunities. Edward are
dredging us here on Fox Sports Radio. He's Bucky Brooks.
I'm Dan Buyer in for Doug Gottlieb today and the
Doug Gottlieb Show about Chad Kelly. And maybe this is
a bigger picture and not specifically about him, but he
had to come in at the end of the first

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half because case Keenum kind of got his bell rung
and took a knee, and the and and the fans
gave him a standing ovation because he was coming out
on the field. Now, now that that's a that's a
much bigger story that we're talking about now, and and
I guess it made me goes to vance Joseph. How
much in trouble is Vance Joseph in Denver? If fans
are cheering the backup quarterback? Is that a case Keenum thing?

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Is that advanced Joseph thinget? I think that Vance Joseph
is in as much trouble as any head coach could
be in a year and a half into his tenure.
Um for this reason, they've lost four in a row.
Elway was so dissatisfied with what happened last year that
he privately considered making a coaching change even then and
was forbidden to do so by Joe Ellis. I don't

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know if it was because Joe didn't think it was
fair to advance Joseph, he didn't want to pay two
head coaches, or he didn't like whoever was Elway was
going to use as a replacement. But Elway said earlier
this year uh in a in a media interview, that
you know he wishes Gary Kubiak was still the head coach,
which is not something you say or even think if

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you're satisfied with what you're getting from your current head coach.
I mean vance Joseph's team is one and nine on
the road. Uh in the time he's been the head coach,
only the Browns have a worse road record in that time.
And I think the biggest indictment of him is what's
happened to their defense the last two weeks. They've given
up over two yards rushing twitter yards rushing and back
to back games, the first time in NFL history that

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that's happened, and the second game was one in which
he actually took over more of the play calling responsibility
for Joe Wood. So, uh, if if they can't go
on the road and win this game against one of
the worst offensive teams in football, starting a rookie quarterback,
that I wouldn't be surprised if fans Joseph was the
first head coach in the NFL fire. You know, Um,
when you think about what John Elway has been afforded,

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He's been afforded the opportunity to go through a number
of quarterbacks. Um, if you fire as vantaged Joseph, this
would be the fourth a coach that he potents that
he could hire. How long before we started looking at
Elway for what has gone on in Denver, And when
do the fans in Denver began to question his ability
to get a job done even though the Super Bowl

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is still not too far in the distant review. Men, Yeah,
I don't you know. He has He has so much
you know, football credibility built up for what he did
as a player and the success he did have. Uh,
you know, rebuilding the Broncos and getting them back to
the Super Bowl twice and winning one of the games.
So uh, it's hard for me to imagine. And I
lived there, um for a very long time. I covered

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the Broncos on a daily basis, and it's just hard
for me to imagine the fans ever deciding that Elway
was the problem and that Elway had to go. I
think they'll always blame his coach, and they'll always blame
his quarterback. Edward are joining us here on Fox Sports Radio.
Let's take a look around the rest of the NFL
outside of tonight's Thursday night game. This may be story time,

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but it's Redskins Cowboys week, okay, And this this used
to be the rivalry. I I don't I don't think
that it's there anymore. But are there any great Redskins
Cowboys stories from the past. Ed if you've had of
covering covering that team and covering that rivalry, well, I
mean there used to be, like you said, it used
to be the game of a year every every you know,

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twice a year in the in the division. But given
the movement of players and the absence of you know,
personalities like you know, George Allen and uh Tom Landry
and uh, you know they're they're a famous story about
Dirynd Talbert throwing the funeral reef in the Cowboys locker room,
um after after they beat Dallas, So that that kind

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of thing just doesn't really happen anymore. There's not sort
of a natural hate anymore. The best we've done recently,
uh is you know Jack Norman and and Dez Bryant
talking bad about each other, uh in the lead up
to games and then the victor proclaiming himself that and
in the locker room afterwards, and even then they wound
up doing a TV commercial together. So uh no, it's
it's not the same. Uh. That being said, it it

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has a very it's a practical importance at the very least,
and that the Redskins lead the division by a half
game over over the Cowboys and Eagles at this point.
And the Cowboys are a team that's still trying to
you know, get his first road win of the year,
which I guess makes them one of ten teams that
are in that predicament. So this is a big game
for them just because they haven't been able to win
back to back games. They haven't been able to win

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on the road. Um and and the Redskins seem like
a team that they should be capable of handling if
they're as good as they think they are. Do you
think that's something that's missing in the NFL? Not that
it would come back. I know Bengal Steelers don't like
each other, and I think we saw that last week,
But is that missing at all in the NFL? That
rivalry aspect of I hates a strong word, but of

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of strong dislike if you will, Yeah, yeah, I think so.
I mean, how many how many rivalries are You're the
one you cited is really the only one that comes
to mind right off the bat. Me. I guess a
few years ago, when when the forty Niners and and
Seahawks were both good, you know and going to the
Super Bowl, out of that division. Uh, there was some
rivalry between you know, at least Crabtree and Richard Sherman

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that that seemed to engulf the entire teams. But yeah,
I mean the Bears, Packers, Bears, Vikings. Does does any
of that really get anybody all that excited anymore? Um,
I think we're more fascinated by now the uh intramural
dynamics and rivalries. It seemed to have help between within teams.

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I mean, I think it's funny. But I can't let
you go without talking about the Dallas Cowboys. A lot
of the people that were catching heat and Dallas have
been Dak Prescott once, Scott Lenihan too. But last week
against the Jacksonville Jaguars, they appeared to find a formula
that could lead to success. It was all execue, Elliott,
Cole Beasley, and Dak Prescott touching the ball as many

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times as possible. Do you think the Cowboys have found
a winning recipe on offense? Well, they kind of did
the same thing against the Giants, with the exception that
Cole Beasley was far more involved this past week against Jacksonville. Uh.
Just talking to one of the coaches after that game,
the thing that they said they recognized now is that
they have to have enough shots down the field built

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into the passing game UH to prevent the defense from
shrinking the field on them. UM And and they do
feel like, despite the criticism that Dak Prescott has taken
as a passor that if they protect him, and they
did against Jacksonville, then he generally produces well with his
arms and his mobility, and that you know, they think
Cole Beasley is a tough matchup for a lot of

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a lot of defenses and probably one of the few
matchup players that they have that they can use to
advantage UH. And that the rookie Michael Gallup if they
can get him involved in a big player too early on,
it seems to create an enthusiasm and UM a sense
of aggression that they have at times lacked. And I
think one of the reasons for the big disparity between
the way this offense performs on the road and how

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it performs at home, which is they scored almost twenty
nine points a game at home and average three and
sixty three yards and at at on the road they
average twelve point three points and two hundred and seventy
five yards. I think that Jason Garrett by nature is
a very conservative guy, and he clings to the fact

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that when Dak Prescott does not throw an interception, the
Cowboys are twenty and one, and so he goes into
games believing that the primary goal has to be protecting
the football at all costs, and I think they tend
to get too conservative in those situations. It's also worth
noting that the front office didn't do a great job
in filling the wide receiver and tight end positions for

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the passing game after you know, the retirement of Jason
Witten and the release of Dez Bryant. That was a
failure of the front office. But yeah, I think I
think they they did create the right offensive game plan
and the play calling was was very good and it
was all centered around Dak Prescott. He ran eleven times
career high ran for eighty four yards, the most by

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a Cowboys quarterback since Roger Staubach in uh and I
think they have to be willing to risk the quarterback
like that. Now. The fact that they're not convinced that
this is the right way to win, to me, is
reflected in the fact that they don't have a backup
quarterback who plays anything like Dak Prescott. Dak Prescott is
not the d of quarterback that Jason Garrett and the
Cowboys have ever had before. You know, He's kind of

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a modern option type player who throws best on the move,
not really a pocket guy. And that's the way Garrett's won.
Garrett wants to play offense like the Cowboys did in
their Super Bowl dynasty years of the early nineties. And
yet they have this quarterback who's more of the revolution
of quarterbacks that we've seen, a guy who can run
uh and throw at his best when he's able to

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do both. Would they have any interest in to Marii
Cooper if Cooper is available, I think for the right price,
they would have to have because he would be the
number one receiver on this team by a large margin. Um.
And if you look at at one of the things, um,
the Cowboys have failed to do was, like I mentioned,
they didn't replace Dez Bryant when they decided to release

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him because he his performance didn't justify his contract anymore. Uh.
And then they didn't have the next guy in place
when Jason wenton retired after fifteen years. UM. So, if
if you believe that Deak Prescott is a franchise quarterback
like Jerry Jones and Steve ben Jones continued to insist.
Then you have to do with the Rams did for
Jared Goff, and you have to do what the Bears

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did for Mitch Tropiski and what the Eagles have done
for Carson Wentz. And you have to go all in
and get the quarterback the kind of weapons necessary to
sustain his success. And so yeah, I think Marie Cooper
would be a great fit uh in the Cowboys system.
Uh if he were available at a reasonable price from
the Raiders, which to me is a two or three. Uh.
You know, he's gonna cost you a fourteen million dollars

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under his contract next year, and the Cowboys were paying
approximately that to Dez Bryant before and they they shouldn't
have big cap issues after this season. But um, yeah,
I think he's a player who would have to appeal
to them at the right price. And I think one
of the underrated stories coming out of Dallas has been
the uh, I guess the solid play of their defense
and a new defense. Well, he's not defense coordinator, he's

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the passing game coordinator. But for all in tents of purses.
He's kind of a de coordinator Chris for short. Can
you talk about his impact on the defense? Yeah, you know,
he came in he was fired by by Pete ca
All as a defensive coordinator up there. And as we know,
the previous two defensive coordinators had both gone on to
become head coaches, Gus Bradley and Dan quinn um and

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christ Ra Shardon did not obviously have that opportunity, and
he came here to to kind of run the passing game,
uh and coach the secondary, which was the role that
Matt eber Flews had before he left here to go
to Indianapolis as a defensive coordinator after last offseason. And
you know, Richard has been uh so impressive that Rod
Marinelli has effectively allowed him to begin calling the defenses, uh,

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not just on third down, but on a more regular basis.
And so I think that's why you see more Amanda
man in the secondary um uh, more aggression at the
line of scrimmaged by the cornerbacks for blitzing uh in general. Uh.
The thing they haven't really done until the last two
games has created a lot of turnovers them at two
in each of the last two games that were the

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last team in the NFL to get an interception. Um.
But that's sort of the direction it seems like Chris
Rochard wants to take this defense. Uh and he's been
really impressive in that regard. And for all the people
who would criticize Dallas for not drafting a wide receiver
in the first round when they could have had Calvin
Ridley or anybody else, because no receiver had been drafted,
they took Layton Vanderesh, who has played well as a rookie,

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leaves the team in tackles, which has never happened in
Dallas that uh and he probably won't finish the season
that way because Sean Lee has been out and should
return soon. But vanderest has earned playing time even when
Sean Lee's healthy. Uh. And they've got a good three
man rotation there at a position that you know, they
really couldn't win at anymore if they didn't have Shawn Lee.
So I think the defense is really the strength of

(26:37):
this team. And it wasn't a surprise to me going
into the season that for maybe the first time in
twenty years, Dallas was in a position where they were
going to have to be able to win games on
defense because their offense was going to be a work
in progress. Ed Ward or a long time NFL in sider.
Check out the Doomsday Podcast and find him on Twitter
at Edward or r f A. We appreciate it. Ed
in Joy week seven. Thanks you guys, take him a

(26:57):
good day. The the the info of the Cowboy as
we know about the history, but just as oppressive was
the knowledge of what went on in Denver and the
and the Broncos and how that organization runs as well. Uh. Yeah,
we hit the double ds Denver and Dallas. We we
we hit a lot, but there's a lot on there.
I would be interested because now we have seen more
deals in the NFL lock or if the Cowboys would

(27:18):
make a push for a Mary Cooper. Yeah, I think
it is all about the right price. Um. I would
not give up a number one for him. I will
be hesitant to maybe give up a two. Uh, just
based on the amount of money that you have to
pay and the way that he's played of late. I
know he has a couple of one thousand yards seasons,
but he also has been one of the league leaders
and drops uh each and every season. Uh. It is

(27:42):
just kind of hard to figure out exactly who a
Mariy Cooper is because he hasn't consistently played at a
high level enough where you can say, all right, he's
absolutely a number one. We'll pay whatever it takes to
get him, and he will automatically upgrade the team. He
would be an upgrade for the Dallas Boys. But I
still think you have to tread lightly when it comes

(28:02):
to how much money you would pay him and how
much you draft capital you would give up to bring him.
I'm in the ballpark with that price as well. He's
Bucky Brooks. I'm Dan Buyer. We are in for Doug
here on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio,
and coming up next we'll tell you why Laker fans
need to be careful for what they wish for. But
now Steve the Sager fills us in on the latest
and a a big game Pope tonight in Houston aside

(28:24):
for the NFL and what we've got in the NBA.
Hello Steve. Hello, Boston at Houston Alcs Game five, eight
pm Eastern Time, David Price against Justin Verlander. Red Sox
up three games to one in this series and Fox
TV with NFL coverage tonight carrying Denver at Arizona eight
twenty p m. Eastern Time. Falcon's defensive tackle Grady Jarrett
returned to practice he had an ankle injury. Atlanta hosts

(28:46):
the Giants on Monday night. Kicker Matt Bryant is out
for that one, officially with his bad hamstring. The Dolphins
say they are not looking at surgery for quarterback Ryan
Tannehill's shoulder injury. They're also not resting his shoulder, although
he could miss at least the next two games. Miami
hosts the Lions this week, and Brockoswiler will start at
quarterback again for the Dolphins. Jacksonville running back Leonard four

(29:06):
Nett could miss a third straight game with his hand
string injury. Was not due to practice again today. The
Chargers say defensive end Joey bos is on schedule to
potentially debut this season in Week nine after his bruise foot.
The Chargers play Tennessee in London Sunday. L A kicker
Caleb Sturgis with limited in practice again with a groin injury.
The Raiders were fine twenty tho dollars for an injury

(29:27):
report violation failing to downgrade alignment two out when he
actually didn't travel with the team to the game. The
bearsay linebacker Khalil Mack is still day to day with
an ankle injury. There is a college football game of
note tonight, Stanford at Arizona State, nine pm Eastern. Three
NBA games, the late contest Lakers at Portland's ten thirty
Eastern so Lebron James official Lakers debut nine NHL games tonight.

(29:49):
Back to you, Thank you very much, Steve. What do
you want to see from Lebron? You're a guy that's
followed the Lakers for for a long time. I want
to see a cohesive five on the court, which is
what we didn't see for quite some time. When it's
Miami team debut with all those stars. So I'm assuming
it will take a while that that that is good
to be unique. Thank you very much. Stevie's Bucky Brooks.
I'm Dan Buyer. Lakers make their season debut tonight against Portland.

(30:13):
We're in Los Angeles. There's tons of Laker fans and
I find it interesting testing the waters of what people
want to see from Lebron as he makes his Lakers
debut tonight, because there are a lot of different ways
that it can go. Steve's option is one of those
of seeing um, the five players on the court actually
playing as one. There's a lot of different ways this

(30:33):
can go, though. In Lebron's debut, Yeah, I think I
think it'll be interesting to see how Lebron elects to
start the game. We've seen some games where he imposed
his will on the defense early and allows his guys
to settle in. But will he feel compelled to show
the basketball world they know I got a good squad
around me. I'm gonna trust him to do their job,

(30:54):
and I'll kind of insert myself where I see fit.
I think, based on how he's typically, I think this
has to be game where he starts fast, he gets going,
he starts to cook, and then that allows everyone else
to kind of eat off his place. See that's what
That's what I'm curious about, is he says how this
plays out. We were talking before the show. Ryan Music,
our executive producer, is a Laker fan. I said, do

(31:14):
you want to see Lebron get fifty? Ryan? You said, uh,
that that's not you kind of wanted what Steve wanted
as well. Right, yeah, because the thing with Lebron is
we've seen what he can do in the finals. He
can go for fifty five with a team that's totally outmatched,
and as long as you don't forget what the score
is with ten seconds left, he can probably lead you
to a win. What I want to see is him

(31:35):
try and lift up the players like Lonzo, Kyle Kuzma,
Brandon Ingram so that way they can grow and be
comfortable playing alongside Lebron. Like, we know what Lebron can do,
it's time to see what he can do with the
young players around him. I think he recognizes what tonight
is about because it is about him. There, there's there.
There's a reason that Lebron in the Lakers did not

(31:58):
debut on Tuesday. Because you want to give at night
to the Golden State Warriors. That's there, the defending champs.
They're gonna get their rings. That's how you're going to
do it. There's a reason the Lakers weren't debuting last
night when there were fourteen other games in the NBA,
or I'm gonna there were. It could get lost in
the shuffle. There's a reason it's a Thursday and I

(32:18):
think Lebron recognizes the moment. I think that what Lebron
is going to do, it's gonna be a hybrid of
what you guys said. I think it's early on distribute.
Brandon ingram Kuz might get those guys in, but then
he knows second half, third quarter is what people came
to see, and he's going to give you a glimpse
of what he could do in a Lakers uniform. And
I think that if you vary from that, if you

(32:39):
go I'm gonna score twenty five in the first half
or I'm gonna score zero in the first half, You're
gonna lead a lot of people unhappy, being like, Okay,
well what about the other guys or why is it
Lebron scoring. I think he recognizes the moment and it's
going to be a gradual distribution and then he'll take
over in the second half. Yeah. I mean, that's typically
his MO, his EMO. He's more of a passage and
a playmaker who does a good job of hitting the

(32:59):
open man. Uh went down to the first preseason game
down in San Diego. My son and I went and
get a chance to watch him and to think about
the Lakers when they are going up and down and
playing fast, and they're transitioning uh, three on two, two
on one breaks. They look like the best team in basketball. However,
if teams able to slow the breakdown make them have
to execute, I just don't know if they can get

(33:21):
it done. What does your son want to see tonight? Oh,
he will see Lebron go crazy. He will see Lebron
go crazy. Lebron's got The thing is, he is not
a Laker fan. He is a Lebron fan. So when
Lebron's in Miami, he's down with Miami, and Lebron's in Cleveland,
he's rolling with the Calves. He is now a Laker.
It is all purple and golden out. The one thing

(33:43):
that has surprised me about Lebron's move to l a
I'm still not used to the look in the jersey.
There was a much easier transition to a Heat jersey,
maybe because the Calves colors were a bit similar with
the red in the maroon. The purple and gold just
still completely throws me off. It throws everybody off because
they also I went back to their old school showtime
uniform from the eighties, so the gold is a little different. Uh,

(34:05):
there's purple in the numbers. They used to be white
during the Kobe years. Short shorts are a little shorter
now they kind of bringing that back. But I am excited.
I can't say from afar I'm excited. I'm not a
Laker fan, but I'm excited to kind of see how
it all plays out. Lebron has done so many things
in basketball. If he is able to kind of lift
the l A Lakers back to prominence, that would be

(34:28):
I would say a big feather in his cap as
he kind of can submits his legacy is one of
the best players ever. He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Dan Buyer.
This is the Doug got Leap Show on Fox Sports Radio.
Of course, Lebron James went from high school straight to
the NBA, but there's now another reason on why high
schoolers may want to go pro a bit earlier than usual.
We'll tell you about it next year on Fox Sports Radio.

(34:48):
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(35:09):
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(35:54):
Hello Steve, Hello, good afternoon again, gentlemen and John Ramos
on the board. Starting this segment a minute ago with
we are family. That was excellent. I expected you to
take the mic and say, now batting for the nineteen
seventy nine Pittsburgh Pirates anyway, game that we're playing today,
it's guess who. And it's gonna be a tough one
to start out with, guys, because guess who can now
skip playing college hoops and get paid and profit on

(36:18):
their life. I'm going to reveal because I I had
heard this earlier and that's why I kind of put
it in the tease. Elite prospects in the high school basket.
Remember the nineteen year old to enter age limit the
NBA has is unlikely to change until the two draft,
but they've been calls to give alternative options for those

(36:41):
one and done level prospects. So the G League is
set to offer so called select contracts of a hundred
twenty five thousand dollars that paycheck, by the way, nearly
four times the average G League contract two players who
are you know, not eligible for NBA but can go pro. Now. Now,
these elite prospects likely would be in the NBA and
get some sort of NBA contract anyway. But if you

(37:03):
were to say, as you said, Steve, if they were
to get what the G League contract was, which is
what doing the math. If it's that's not enough, I'd
rather I'd rather go to North Carolina. Yeah, I mean
you won't get that much money in North Carolina, hopefully
anymore anymore. Some good shop. Yeah, you can go to

(37:24):
make up made up classes though, right, that's right, independent studies.
You can get a FOE degree. But I love the
comment from Condoleeza Rice, who was chair of this recent
commission on college basketball this year's public reports. She said
elite high school basketball players with NBA prospects and no
interest in a college degree should not be forced to
attend college. And it's off in less than a year anyway,

(37:46):
and the one and done has to go. So this
is a way to get around thousand plus what they
could make. Yeah, I think I think you will see
elite process and marketing exactly so they can can go
in many directions for them and as they go pro
but not NBA pro yet idem number two for guess who.
Guess who Paul George thinks he would be playing for

(38:07):
if he never got traded from the Pacers. I mean
to see, but this this is a bad one because
I've looked at all the stuff on TV today, I
would have I would have the answer. But it's a
good one. It's an obvious one. Go for it. It
is an obvious one that he would be with the Lakers.
Do you believe he's talking to the Undefeated saying if

(38:27):
he'd never been dealt from the Pacers, But you see,
they did deal him to Oklahoma City last year and
he fell in love with his new team and playing
with Russell Westbrook and then got the big four year
extension this past off season. Do you think it's because
he didn't have to sit in traffic an hour? And
I'm Glama City. I haven't been Oklahoma City in ten years,
but I'm guessing worse. But I showed up. I've only

(38:50):
been Oklahoma City once, and I showed up when the
thunder we're just starting, and I was like, all right,
I can't wait's gonna go get some thunder gear because
it was new. I went down to the arena there
were still building the team store like it wasn't yet
I had. I had to buy it at the Okay
se Airport. Still have the T shirt doesn't really fit anymore.
Paul George, Southern California native going to be playing the

(39:10):
l A Clippers on Friday, not the Lakers. But you
know this will be continuing as a storyline through the
season because they'll be playing the Lakers a couple of
times this year. I had a number three guests who
in the NFL isn't worried about proving he's worth his
high draft position. It's a top ten selection from this year,
who isn't worried. Gosh, there's a lot of because his

(39:34):
team may have you know, I had an option for
somebody else was going to say, how about that? All right,
He's done a lot on the field, but the team
certainly hasn't overall, And it was the Giants co owner
earlier this week. They said he had no second thoughts
about the path they took in taking Barkley running back,
and that it's not weighing on his mind that always

(39:55):
should have done something else, like maybe a quarterback that
he could say all he wants. This storyline is going
to be in New York for the next I don't
know until something changes, yeaheah, I mean, like seriously, it's
definitely for the next five If Donald's a success, the
next fifteen and if he's awesome the next thirty and finally,
guess who in the NFL at Arizona was reportedly on

(40:16):
the trading block until the team owner today said it's
not true. It's not happening. We're in perfect game. This
is you to close it out. Arizona hosting the NFL
Box by the way tonight, Like, I feel so bad
because all this stuff came across. If you know it,
you know it. There we go p to Patrick Peterson, Yes,

(40:37):
yes it is. In fact, his coach had called it
a ludicrous idea, and now the owner has doubled down
saying the same. I will sit you won't say anything.
I'm waiting. I'm waiting. I will say this. We of course, Steve,
we have to get the imaging in. That's it's an
overproduced segment of tonight case Keenum and Patrick Peterson in

(41:00):
my top five of nicest guys in the NFL? What
would you would you argue with that list? Super nice guy?
They're really really nice guys, but nice guys sometimes finished last,
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seven tonight, you'll see it on Fox. A bunch of
intriguing matchups. You got the Patriots going to Chicago taking
on the Bears. We talked some Redskins Cowboys rivalry with
ed Ward or a little bit a little while ago.
You've got that. You've got a Sunday Night. How about

(41:44):
Kansas City getting two straight Sunday night affairs with that
flex their home to the Cincinnati Bengals. That so much more.
The London games continue. Getting y'all set for Week seven,
Chargers and Titans. I think the last place I'd want
to go is an overseas trip after getting blanked at
home by the Baltimore Ravens. But that's what the Tennessee
Titans have to deal with, and now they've gotta deal

(42:05):
with Philip Rivers and the Chargers. It's one of the
storylines you got Week seven. Yeah, that's a tough one.
That's a tough one with Tennessee Titans. Uh didn't play
very well. I think back to back they haven't played
very very well, but to get beat up like they
were beaten up by the Baltimore Ravens. Uh then to
face a very very good LA Charges team in London.
Time change. A lot of factors were what's worse and

(42:27):
we're trust me, We're not gonna spend a lot of
time on the Titans losing on the road at Buffalo
or losing by one, losing twenty one to nothing at
him against the Ravens, losing the Buffalo's because there's no hesitation.
There's zero hesitation. That should have been one that you
chalk up. I know, you're not supposed to count up victories,

(42:48):
you're not supposed to tali him up before you play them,
but you have to think Buffalo has been struggling. They
had a rookie quarterback at the time. You didn't think
they would be able to score a lot of points.
And to lose the Buffalo I think they lost thirteen twelve. Yeah,
I mean that's an indictment on your defense, but really
your offense to your offense couldn't put up any points
um And no one has said this, but at some
point with both of those quarterbacks from the same class,

(43:10):
we're gonna have to have to Jamis Winston Marcus Mariota discussion.
Uh do we miss on both of those gods in
terms of what we thought they would be when they
were taking one in two respective. Well, let's let's let's uh,
let's mark that that later in the show, because I'm
curious about Jamis Winston because I actually have gone one
eighty about Jamis Winston and his future, because I thought

(43:30):
that there was quite a decision Tampa Bay had to make,
and I'm not sure that there's much of a decision
to be made. Let's let's do that later on in
the show, because I do think it's an interesting discussion.
And you know, Mariot has been dinged up, and he's
been dinged up a lot. Let's just be honest. Now,
it's an elbow issue that he's dealing with, Uh, something
the Titans are gonna have to try to overcome if
they take on the Chargers Thursday Night football. We mentioned

(43:51):
at Broncos and Cardinals tonight, two teams dealing with their
own issues. And sure it's not the the marquee matchup
you would hope for on a Thursday night. There's still
a lot of meat on the bone. You gotta rookie
quarterback and Josh Rosen starting tonight against a Denver team,
then I'm not sure I know which way they're going.
I don't know if they're going up. I don't know
if they're going down. They'd beat a Seahawks team on

(44:11):
opening week in a game maybe they shouldn't have won.
They gave the Rams a little bit of a of
a of a tough time this past weekend. Score was
closer than maybe the game indicated it was, but the
game maybe wasn't as close as the score indicated it was.
That's the way to say. It gave the Chiefs a
run for their money when they came in. But it's

(44:32):
a Denver team that that Bucky, in my mind, just
doesn't have a lot of upside that there there. There
isn't something to point to. And if you had to
guess which way this franchise is going, I would say
the arrow is probably pointing down more so than pointing up. Well,
I think it absolutely is pointing down. Um. The championship
defense that they continue to talk about is only a

(44:53):
championship defense in name and in reputation only. They don't
play like that. When you watch the tape. Uh, they're
not a dis play bunch. On defense, they don't feel
the gaps correctly. That's why they've been gassed for over
two hundred rushing yards and back to back games. Uh.
And then on defense they missed keep to leap even
though a keep to leap was a declining player. We're
seeing there that Bradley Roby isn't up to the task

(45:15):
of being the guy that can play the starting quarterback
opposite Chris Harris Jr. Chris Harris Jr. Has gotten older,
he's gotten slower. So all of the things that we
think about when we talk about the Denver Broncos, those
things are myths. They're not that team um that can
get it done on the strength of their defense, and
because their offense is so inconsistent. That's why you're seeing

(45:36):
this team really really struggle each and every week. Von
Miller's production has been inconsistent as well. Is he in
that group of of the Chris Harris is of the
guys who have maybe lost a stamp. Well, I think
here here's the problem. When you're von Miller, you're a
pass rusher. To be able to unleash the pass rush
you have to win on first and second down. And
because teams have been able to run the ball, they've

(45:59):
been able to throw on favorable situations, meaning to throw
off play action. They haven't been backed up. And so
for the Broncos, before you can even get von Miller going,
you have to show up to run defense so you
can win on first and second. Now get into some
thirdain longs where he can then be a factor as
a speed rush off the edge. Von Miller is has

(46:19):
got five and a half shacks this year, put them
in the top ten in the NFL. But there are
three games where you go without a sack, you know,
you know, and get a bunch against the Rams, maybe
get a bunch against the Seahawks, and then Bradley Chubby.
Bradley Chubb just had a big game where he had
three or four sacks. You saw his worth. But the
thing about the Broncos and when you look at their defense,
so many of us want to measure their defense based

(46:40):
on the sacks and the turnovers, but right now, the
fact that they have just been pummeled, been obliterated in
terms of in the run game, they can't stop the run.
That is the biggest thing in a past happy league,
the teams that are able to kind of pound it
out have been able to have success. We saw the
Jets have success against him running the football. We just
saw t Girley go over to in the yards rushing

(47:02):
to ball until they figured it out. They're gonna have
a tough time. And tonight they go against David Johnson.
We could see another guy go big against him on
the ring game. A lot of fingers pointing at Van's
Joseph in the Mile High City, very few in Denver
pointing at John Elway. And there's a reason. Edward or
longtime NFL insider, host of the Doomsday podcast you know

(47:24):
ed from his years and years in the NFL, joined
us earlier buck He asked him about John Elway, the
Vance Joseph dynamic and really how things play out in
the city of Denver. Edwarders answered to this question very
intriguing and how those in Broncos country look at the
top of the organization. He has so much, you know,
football credibility built up for what he did as a

(47:45):
player and the success he did have, uh, you know,
rebuilding the Broncos and getting them back to the Super
Bowl twice and winning one of the games. So it's
just hard for me to imagine the fans ever deciding
that Elway was the problem and that Elway had to go.
I think they'll always because coach and will always playing
his quarterback. And the coach right now is Vance Joseph
in the quarterback is case Keenum. And I look at

(48:07):
it like this, Bucky and and it goes back to
John Elway. But you don't, you know, you don't see
the Bronco fans maybe saying this. But the Broncos when
they hired Vance Joseph, if I remember, we're one of
the first teams to hire a head coach that offseason
last year with the quarterback they were, they were the
first team to sign a quarterback in free agency because

(48:28):
they had gotten word that Kirk Cousins wasn't gonna come
to Denver. So then they immediately acted and went after
case Keenum. Two decisions there that end up pointing right
to John Elway. In addition to the issues that we
talked about personnel on the field, talk about their aging players,
about the gaps that that didn't feel. All of this,
in my mind just goes back to John Elway, who

(48:51):
seems to be in a way treating the Broncos as
as a player instead of a GM, because you want
to win every game. You want to make sure that
you have a competitive team. You want to be in
and every week. But the Broncos aren't in it every week.
But it seems like John always playing for that sort
of sort of field. Yeah, you know, I think it's
really important. Uh. And offering officer is that you have

(49:12):
a checks and balances system and that you're able to
open openly to communicate with one another. Uh. Typically the
way that it goes in the structure, head coaches think
about the here and now. The general manager is supposed
to think about the long term interests of the team.
And ideally what you do is you make the decisions
with a bit of a yang and yang. Some of
it is for right now. Let's make sure we are

(49:33):
the best that we can be in eighteen while also
protecting our interests in twenty nineteen and beyond. With John Elway,
what they've done is they may committed some big dollars
to some players and thinking this team was still a
right now contender. And what we're seeing when you make
that kind of money, you have to be more exact
and more precise on the draft picks. And we honestly
can look at their drafts and say they haven't really

(49:56):
drafted an impact player high in a long time. I
mean maybe is far ago as von miller um. They
haven't had those kind of players. And when you think
about the draft, a lot of people focus on outside
the first round. You gotta get your value picks, but
really it's the first in the second round league. If
you just hit doubles in the first round, you'll be fine.

(50:17):
You don't have to hit home runs to put together
successful roster, but you can't completely with Paxton Lynch is
a complete with If you get nothing out of Paxston Lynch, Uh,
you can say Garrett Bowls hasn't been a great player
for him, but we can move on. Um. When you
miss at the top of the draft, it just sets
your franchise back and they haven't been able to do it,

(50:37):
especially when you're throwing. Shane Ray has been pretty much
a non contributor. Can't have that many first round is
not be contributing facts because those guys should be your nucleus. Well,
and that's that's another a point to lway here and
I know you said that Bradley Chubb at a at
a good game last week against Denver. Did they did
they need Bradley Chubb. This is when they were picking
at number five in the draft. And if or a team,

(51:00):
and if you're John Elway, you have to say to yourself, Okay,
I don't believe we're gonna be this high up in
the draft again, because I believe in our team. But
when you have a Josh Rosen still available, when you
have a Josh Allen still available, and then you draft
and I'm all four drafting defensive ends, quarterbacks, and and
tackles at the top of the draft. That's I think
the three positions you should have. But to to continually

(51:22):
miss on the quarterback position. This is the fourth year
and I'm including Peyton Manning super Bowl run where they
don't have a quarterback, and and and I just look
at the Bradley chubbicks. Bradley Chubb maybe great, but it
doesn't fix the problems that you now have as an organization. No,
and this delicate balance and it's it's it's kind of
an extended debate. The the debate would be Bradley Chubb

(51:42):
and say Kuan Barkley, in my mind, were two of
the best players in the draft. And I know we
spent a lot of time focusing on the quarterbacks and
Sam Donald, Baker Mayfield, Josh Allen, Josh Rosen. But I
do believe some guys viewed those quarterbacks with question marks.
And if you have question marks about the quarterback and
you feel like you have a sure thing and Bradley Chubb,

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you typically opt for the sure thing. The issue comes
when you see Sam Donald seemingly have success immediately with
the New York Jets. You see Baker Mayfield flash at
times for the Cleveland Browns. You wonder what would those
guys do in a situation in Denver where it appeared
that you have some weapons around them, you appear to

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have a B B plus defense in place. You would
think that a young quarterback would win. But whatever they
were looking for at the quarterback position wasn't available. And
some of that may have been due to the fact
that they tried to swing for defenses on Paston Lynz
and missed. That's why they may have been a little
more confident that they could get it right in free
agency with Case Kingdom. I think that they get something

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right with Courtland Sutton. I will I will say that
he seems like a pretty good player and could be
the guy to take over from da Marius Thomas and
an Emmanuel Sanders when when they end up moving on.
But yeah, it's been few and far between, because you
meant you mentioned the mrs of Shane Ray and maybe
of Gara Bowls and and those are the ones that
you have to worry about. Look, if someone misses on
the third and fourth round uh and and scouting uh parlance,

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like a fourth round pick is supposed to be a
developmental guy. If he becomes anything more than that, becomes
a start or whatever, that's gravy third round picks to
like your first and second round picks. Your first round
pick is supposed to be a starter and immediate impact
player contributor. Second round guy should be a starter, but
it's not as um you're not counting on him as
much as the first round guy. But you can't keep

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missing on your first round picks. Really, say you're a
former scout, former front office guy on the first round pick.
I know that they you lean heavy on guys, but
I would think that you're leaning a lot on your
scouting department in rounds five, six, and seven. How much
do you put on Lway for round one? I mean
you have to put all of Ultimately, he's the guy

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who told the draft, but round one that definitely falls
on him because he's in charge. He knows this guy
is supposed to be a Foundation player. So yeah, it's
all about John Elway. He has to kind of give
the thumbs up at thombs down on their pit. Lucky
for John Elway. He's feeling heat everywhere except in Denver,
so it doesn't seem like there's going to be any
move whatsoever. He's Buckey Brooks. I'm Dan Buyer. They weren't

(54:14):
feeling the heat in Denver last weekend with the snow flurries.
Uh that that gave us our first taste of fall.
We are in for Doug Gottlieb here on The Doug
Gottlieb Show. You can always tweet at us get Bucky
on Twitter at Bucky Brooks. I am at Dan Buyer
on Fox. Coming up next, how in the world to
the astros bounce back from last night's drama affair. We'll
get an answer next year on Fox Sports Radio. Be

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sure to catch live editions of the Doug Dot Leap
Show week days in noon eastern three pm Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. He's
Bucky Brooks. I'm Dan Buyer. Glad to have you with us.
N LCS taking a night off on their way to
Milwaukee for Game six tomorrow, but the a LCS continues
with the Red Sox and Astros from Houston. Boston is

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up three one in the best of seven series, joining
us now to talk about not only would happened in
the NLCS, but what happened last night in Houston. Fox
Sports and MLB Network Baseball in Center. John Morrossi joins
us here on Fox Sports Radio. Hey, John, get to
talk to you again. How you doing. I'm doing great.
Please Please excuse the noise of kids toys in the background.
It's kind of part of the commotion around here. But

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but all's well, my friends. How about you guys? Things are?
Things are great here, and and hey for hungry hippos
or whatever they want to play, We're all for it.
We are we are all for I want to I
want to Obviously, We're gonna start with with last night's
play and the review in Houston on the Mookie beats,
attempted catch and the out now by jose L Tove
that wasn't a home run. My here's here's my thought.

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I don't the rule wasn't applied last night, But John,
I think that was a good thing. I think it's
an awful rule. Do you think it's a good rule
or a bad rule in Major League Baseball? The way
that it's worded. Uh, I would like a little more
precise wording on this. And here's how I I think that,
And in practice it's probably actually been done this way

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a lot of the time. That that you've got the
top of the fence, I'll back up a little bit.
There's there are two axis here that we're talking about.
There's the up and down, and then the top of
the fence right the top of the fence moving laterally
parallel to the ground and parallel to the fence. Uh.
To me, if if the activity is happening above the
top of the fence, that that, to me is is

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the purview of the fans. And and and to expect
fans to not have the very human instinct to grab
for the baseball is I think it's unrealistic. And and
ballparks nowadays, had the fans closer to the action than
ever before, and to expect they're going to basically sit
there on their hands and not and back away is

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is I just think not realistic and frankly not really
all that fair that everybody involved there. So for me,
I'd like to see it be a clearer distinction of
if horizontally it is up above where the wall isn't
and certainly with than reading, you're not gonna deliberately trying
to take the ball out of the outfielder's hand or
or or interfere with them in a in a really
in a really negative way. I think that what all

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all that happened last night was very accidental, and in
my judgment, I think that there should have been a
little more legally given to the fans in that case.
And and and this is what Bucky and I talked
about and I argued this earlier, is that I just
I don't see it in any other sport where a
fan can have so much effect on a play, let
alone any effect on a play. And that's that's my

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problem with it. I just think I think the rule stinks.
I think move the fans back five ft do something different.
I just think Molkie Betts was going to make that catch.
Spectacular catchy was going to be he was going to
make that catch. And I just don't get why fans
are so mad just because the rule wasn't applied, because yeah,

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Houston may have gotten screwed last night, but Boston was
going to get screwed by having a fan touch someone's glove.
That's why I hate the rule. I just think it's
it's awful. Well, it's a fair question to to point
out all the different issues at play here and here
we have it in a high profile game at a
tense time of year, a seminal moment if you will,

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in the series, and and this rule is is helping
to decide it. I think that moving the fans back,
You've got a structure of the stadiums for so long
now where where the movement for twenty plus years has
been intricate designs, uniqueness, um and having and having the
fans as close as they can be. To back those

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fans up when involve a lot of money in in
renovations in many cases, and also a lot of lost
money and tickets because those are tickets that people want
so it's I I'm always hesitant to change too much
about the structure of things as a result of one play,
or even just one one poorly a written rule. I
suppose I'll say that I think it's it's a difficult

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ask um of of the umpires to have them make
that call when even if Joe West is perfectly positioned,
he is many many feet away and behind the looking
at the play against the plane of what actually he
needs to look at to make that judgment. You're asking
him to make a three D judgment in like a
two D position. And it's almost it's it's a guest,

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is what it is. It's a guest because you cannot
really tell depth perception wise, was his hand over the
over the imaginary yellow line or not. I mean, it's
it's literally impossible to tell. We had Slobo replays on
that and looking at it for a long time. I
personally think that Mookie had reached into the crowd at
that last moment when when the when when all the
contacts occurred, But I don't know that. And and that's

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and of course, ironically enough, it was an Astro's employee
positioned in an unideal way that blocked the definitive camera angle,
and of course it was an Astro's employee stationed where
he was not supposed to be earlier in the series.
That became a big topic earlier in the day. So everything,
as you see, comes full circle. One of the things

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that I noticed in the Milwaukee Brewers Elie Dodgers series,
correct council had a little bit of gaysmanship. He started
Wade molly be pulled him after five pitches, tried to
kind of induce the Dodges and going more of a
right handed lineup. What do you think about the gamesmanship
the council displayed during that moment, Well, Bucky, to me
a couple of I mean, number one, there's no hard

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and fast rule and in baseball about at what point
in time do you need to let your opposition know
what your lineup is going to be until you actually
have the exchange of lineup cards at home plate. So
there is a bit of a discussion now among the
league officials about maybe changing that system a little bit
and finding a way to, uh may make more of
a standardized time in which you you declare your starting picture.

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That being said, Bucky, there's no rule that says you
can't make a change one batter into the game, and
in fact, the Dodgers had made uh their lineup. I believe,
in accordance with that general idea that they were going
to probably have a quick hook on Wade Miley. To me,
the Brewers are are operating at a disadvantage here. They've
got their payrolls half of what the Dodgers is, uh,

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And so when you're in that situation, I've got no
problem whatsoever with having to manage things a little bit uniquely.
The broups have done that, and I think they're they're
managing this pitching staff in a way that suggests they
are they know they are somewhat outman in this particular series.
John Morossi joining us here on Fox Sports Radio on
the Doug Gottlip Show. He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Dan Buyer
in for Doug. Did Milwaukee miss their chance in the series? Uh?

(01:01:31):
Maybe I think that in In in general, I think
the Brewers they probably had a pretty good chance to
really seize command of this series, whether it was yesterday
or even in get in Game four. To me, the
more talented team here, Dan is is the Dodgers. I
think that they've they've shown that over a period of time.
And and I would say that the Brewers missed their

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best opportunity, but they still got ab a shot. They're
still going home, and and they've got Wade Mindy, the
guy they thought they was gonna start five, starting game six.
So that I think that all days consider, they're probably
feeling pretty good bout their chances going back. We'll see that.
I just I look at it like and you could
say Milwaukee maybe should have won three of the first
four games or four, whatever the case is. The Dodgers

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weren't the Dodgers in those four I mean atrocious at
the plate. Another bullpen came through. That's where I just wondered.
I thought last last night, with the whole Miley stuff,
the Miley decision wasn't even a big part of it.
Um not walking Austin Burns with Puig, maybe pinchting for
Clayton Kershawn Deck. There's a lot with Milwaukee that I
thought maybe maybe yesterday just kind of caught up to them,

(01:02:36):
and that maybe the Dodgers finally caught up to them. Yeah,
And and I also think too, I mean, let's be
clear too that it's not as though the Dodgers have
aren't hit all that well in this series. They've been okay,
and I think it's been a matter of just string
it hit together at the right time for them. Meanwhile,
the Brewers, I think we're seeing one of those classic
cases Dan of you sweep a series, you're feeling really
good about yourself, and then you sit for about four

(01:02:58):
days and and Yellows hasn't been himself really and even
Kane hasn't met himself. That even goes back to the
first round. And so if you're gonna look at those
those two guys and say if, if, if you're the
play against the Dodgers, um And and Yellis and Kane
aren't really hitting, and you're relying on Orlando Arcia for
your offense, it's gonna be a tough series in my opinion,

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to win it. If it's their season or if it's
the playoffs as well. Game six of the NLCS tomorrow
you'll see it on Fox Sports one, Brewers and Dodgers
in Milwaukee. Of course, at Game five tonight, um this
Houston bounce back just with tonight, you or your child
can answer, John doesn't matter. Yeah, but that's my ten
months old Lulu has got the opinion. I would say

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Lulu believes and I tend to concur that that Verlander
finds a way to win this game. I've seen it
before with him. H This even goes back to similar
situation actually in goodness seven years ago. I feel old now,
uh two thousand eleven, the Tigers facing a three one
series deficit at home, LA with a masterpiece to force
the game back, the force series back to Texas for
game six. So I think a similar situation that Berliner

(01:04:03):
finds a way to get it done against his former
teammate Detroit David Price. And then I think Lulu probably
thinks that the Boston finds a way to win there
in six or yeah, I think Lulu and I agree
that it's not a bad thing that Chris Sale isn't
pitching tonight and should be available in Boston. Thanks John,
do your thing, Do your thing. By the way, Lulu
apparently a Brewer fan after watching the last two games,

(01:04:25):
because I sounded the exact same way in that thirteen
inning affair and what happened last night. He's Bucky Brooks,
I'm Dan Buyer, that's John Morossi and Lulu Morossi, who's
just having a having a bad day on this Thursday.
That's all right. I find us on Twitter and get
Bucky on Twitter at Bucky Brooks. I met Dan Buyer
on Fox. Yes, maybe Lulu laid some cash down on

(01:04:48):
the old Houston Astros and they got Mookie Bett last
night by one Joe West. This is Fox Sports Radio
coming up next replay Should it be here to stay?
That question answered after Steve de Seger fills us in
on the latest Hello Steve Hello. Game five a LCS
at Houston tonight with Justin Verlander against Boston and David Price.

(01:05:11):
For Lander did win at Boston earlier in the series
when he went six innings with six strikeouts. Red Socks
are up in this series three games to one. Thirteen teams,
by the way, have come back from three games to
one deficits to win a series, including the Cubs in
the World Series a couple of years ago. A third baseman,
Matt Chapman at thumb surgery today hit twenty four homers
this year with great defense. The NFL game at Arizona

(01:05:32):
tonight is on Fox TV eight twenty pm Eastern Time,
the Cardinals hosting a Denver team that has lost four
in a row. The Cardinals have cut veteran wide receiver
Kendall Wright. The Dolphins say they are not looking at
surgery for quarterback Ryan Tannehill's shoulder injury. Miami hosts the
Lions this week, and Brock Gostwiler will start at QB
again for the Dolphins. Detroit running back Theoretick miss practice

(01:05:53):
again with a bad need. Jacksonville running back Leonard four
Nette could miss a third straight game with his hamstring injury.
He was expected to miss practice again today. Houston's at
Jacksonville this weekend. Texans wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins did not
practice due to a bad foot. Philadelphia quarterback Carson Wentz
returned to full practice after a minor back injury. This week.
The Eagles are home to Carolina on Sunday. Philadelphia tackle

(01:06:14):
Jason Peters did practice fully. Colts wide receiver t Y
Hilton was limited in practice today due to a hamstring.
Falcon's defensive tackle Grady Jarrett returned to practice after an
ankle injury. Three NBA games, The Lake Contest Lakers at
Portland ten thirty Eastern time. Lebron James official Lakers debut
back to you. Thank you very much, Steve. This is
the Doug Gotlips Show at Fox Sports Radio. He's Bucky Brooks.

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I'm Dan Buyer. We are in for Doug today. You
can hear Bucky every Saturday at four o'clock Eastern time,
one o'clock Pacific with Mark Willard right here on Fox
Sports Radio. And you can see him all the time
on the NFL network. Yeah. You're everywhere. You're there and
everywhere everywhere, trying to stay busy. Yeah, and you got
some high school football after a little practice today is
little Notre Dame High School Sherman Oaks to be trying

(01:06:57):
to bounce back. Got a big game this weekend. Well,
there's no replaying in high school football. Is replaying college football?
Is replaying pro football? We know there's replaying baseball and
replaying basketball. You're a fan of replay, I mean, it's
so much in the news from what we saw last night.
I'm a fan of getting the call right. Um. I
have my own issues with replaying how they show it
on TV because they always slow it down. I just

(01:07:19):
believe in replay sometimes let it run it at game
speed so then we can see how hard it is
for officials to have to navigate through some of these
calls that are asked to make. Isn't that part of
the the issue? Like I look at replay, the replay
isn't the end all in my mind, Like replay is
there to to aid I don't think it is there

(01:07:39):
to get every incorrect uh call correct. I think that
there is some human error with it, and that's why
you get this blur of wasn't conclusive call still stands
sort of thing. I think that there's there's there's a
way that it can it can really be used. And
you see last night of them not overturning the call,
or you see last year with the Calvin Benjamin overturned

(01:08:02):
touchdown on a replay where it was it was a
detriment and not a benefit because the replay actually made
the wrong call. But I'm I'm a fan of it.
I'm I'm with you that I like where it is.
I just think that it's as you said, you don't
like the slow mo and the speed of it. I
just think I think it could get misused in places

(01:08:22):
where we're looking at things like I look at the
the NFL and pass interference was was a topic of
it should be reviewed, Absolutely not, but a face mask
if you you there. How many times have we talked
about this earlier this week on the show. How many
times you see a guy's head turn but no official
is looking at a play because they're looking at the lineman,
or they're looking at what the quarterback has done, or

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this and that. Like, there are things that can be used,
and I think that's how replay should end up being beneficial.
Last night, I know what wasn't the greatest night, but
I'm a fan of it. I like it. I think
it could be used in other beneficial ways. You just
can't look at it as the end all be all.
Now I can't be the end all be all, um,
it has to be look at where we are with technology.
You should give officials every opportunity to get the call right. Uh.

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You have to be able to do it quickly so
it doesn't bog the game down. Because it is entertainment.
People don't want to kind of have these games on
pause for an extended period of time. But you want
to get it right. You want to make an enjoyable experience,
and you want to make sure that the game is
being played the right way. I am fine with it.
I just want to make sure that when we look
at it sometimes I want to getting in real speed,

(01:09:30):
not always super slow motion. Is it Is it like
I'm targeting on hits? Is that an issue? Is does that?
I think the thing about the targeting rule, I think
you have to have replay in that because the game
happens so fast that we're asking officials to make these
snap decisions on these bang bang plays that just happened.

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I think replay helps an official kind of sort out
what he really saw um as opposed to what he
thinks what he thinks he's seeing in the moment. So
I'm a fan of it. I'm a fan of it,
particularly when it comes to the head to hits. I'm
amazed at how many times we think a guy led
with his helmet and he didn't, like like in those
cases you're talking about, and when we were saying, oh,

(01:10:13):
he actually lad with his shoulder and didn't have any
contact at all with his helmet, Like that's good for that,
that that's a good use of replay. It is a
good use of replay. And I think with the helmet
of helmet stuff, you have to because there's so many
things that change in the moment. If a receiver flinches,
if he ducks, if he turns his head trying to
get down and he goes lower while you're trying to
go lower, and you either inavertently hit him with your

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show to pad to his helmet. I believe you have
to have replay, but I think the guy who is
into replay, um booth must know and understand what he's
looking at so they can get that called in particular right.
And I just I look at last night and can
I know it's just it's I hate the role. I
just that's as simple as it is. I don't think
a fan should be able to touch the glove. I'm

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so glad that they got it right. I'm so glad
that the replay was considered inconclusive, if you will, or
that the call stood. And I feel that same way
as I mentioned about basketball. If there's a play where
a guy gets hacked and the ball goes out of
bounds and you see that you missed the foul, well
it's doubly wrong to the team if you're saying, well,
it was off of him too, and now the other

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team gets it. I don't think those two wrongs make
a right. I think that things can even themselves out.
I'm not saying look at every single penalty, but you know,
if you're looking at it, whether a guy's got a
foot in bounds or not on on a certain catch
and you see him blatantly push off of someone, Hey,
I'm all, I'm all for that being called to offensive
passing interference. Why not back it up if it gives

(01:11:39):
you another look at something that is that has missed
because with it, Bucky, I understood that there are also
that there are errors that are going to be made
with replay and and on the field, and if you
can correct some of them, then great. I just don't
think it should be this whole black and white thing.
If you get the call right or or how it
should be, that's all that matters. You just want to
get the call right. We want the game to be

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legislated and kind of evaluated fairly. We want officials to
not necessarily be in the forefront of the game, being
the shadows, and so if they can make a call,
to get the call right, to make sure that the
playing field is level for both teams perfect. But I
don't want the officials to be the start of game.
I don't want to have to talk about what was
a great game last night, umpires or whatever. Let's let's

(01:12:22):
make them be secondary players, not primary players. It's it's
funny because it was a controversial call and it was
on a home run. But this is being talked about
a hundred times more than ben attendees catch. And you
could sit there and spend like if if you're with
your buddies, what do you do in that situation? Bases loaded,
two out. If you let it drop, it's a tie

(01:12:45):
ball game. If you let it get past you, it's
game over. But if you dive to catch it, it's
game over and you win. And and so there's there
was so much in that one play that is so
completely overshadowed by the call that happened eight innings in
about four hours earlier. It's it's it's amazing. It is amazing.

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It is amazing. Like I mean, obviously on our side,
we love narratives, we love stories, um, but you would
like to see replay in the background and not at
the forefront. He's Bucky Brooks, I'm Dan Buyer. This is
the Doug got Leap Show on Fox Sports Radio coming
up next. If you thought last night was bad for
the Houston Astros, oh, it was even worse for another

(01:13:30):
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(01:13:51):
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(01:14:15):
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started their season now, the Lakers, of course, making their
debut tonight. That will be a musty. It was also
a musty TV event for those in Houston last night,
only if you're a Pelicans fan. That's because the Pelicans
took it to the Rockets one to one twelve in
what you could say was Carmelo Anthony's debut in a
Rockets uniform. Earlier today on The Herd with Colin Cowherd,

(01:14:59):
Colin and broke down the Mellow era. The Rockets were
terrible and gave up a hundred and thirty one points,
the most points they've given up in the regular season
since Mike D'Antoni got there. That's the most. Not so coincidentally,
um Carmelo Anthony is now a member of the Rockets.

(01:15:20):
Mellow arrives, Chemistry, goes into the toilet, and he doesn't
play defense. Here's what's amazing about this. Houston does two
or three things. Well, they shoot threes. Well, it's the
one thing Carmelo can't do. Last year we gave him
credit because they started really finally playing defense. He's crappy

(01:15:41):
at that. We just stopped trying to convince me in
Carmelo Anthony is a great player. He's not. I would
agree with Carmelo Anthony not being the Carmelo Anthony of old.
But we're one game in, Bucky, one game in two
before for a Rockets team that lost a lot of

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personnel in the off season and also lost the guy
who basically ran their defense Jeff Bezdelic retired from coaching
a month ago. So there's there's a lot to get
used to in Houston. And while it's easy to point
the fingers at Carmelo Anthony after one game, I'm just
not ready to do it yet. With the Rockets made
some points, I'm not sure if they were all valid

(01:16:24):
or not, but one game in is just way too
soon to say that the Carmelo Anthony earral was a bust. Yeah,
I think so. You have to give us some time.
It takes some time for these teams to jail when
you had a mass exodus of free agents, um kind
of leaving the team. You have to find a way
to get new guys in and put them in the

(01:16:44):
right roles. Carmelo, Anthony is being asked to occupy a role,
a role that's different than his normal role. He's going
to play as a six man, and that's new for him.
He talked about it being a challenging mentality that you
have to have in terms of coming off the bench,
being and riddy to play. But I do believe by
men way this team will hit this stride, they will

(01:17:04):
still be one of the top teams in the West,
and they will eventually emerge and emerge as a viable
contender for as a player, I'm I haven't been a
Carmelo fan and and as of late, I haven't been
a fan at all. I don't think that the value
of what he thinks he is is to what he
is in reality to a team. And so I see

(01:17:25):
last night's game and you see them lose by twenty points,
and you see Anthony Davis play at an m v
P level, and you say a lot of the Pelicans
play at an m v P level, but with that performance,
it doesn't go on Carmelo shoulders. I don't think that
in Collins right, in the fact of Carmelo is not
a great three point shooter, Carmelo is not there to

(01:17:46):
play defense. Carmelo is going to be Carmelo. Then blame
that on the Houston Rockets and Daryl Morey in the
front office, right. I mean, if if you want to
bring in Carmelo and you know what the stakes are,
if it's even if it's just one game, man, if
we want to take that sample size, Carmelo is just
being Carmelo. Carmelo lost. That was three of ten from

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the floor, one of five from three, it's plus minus
and not it's deceiving, but was minus twenty. Chris Paul's
and James Hardens were very similar as well. But that
doesn't all go on Carmelo Anthony. Just because Trevor a
reason left for Phoenix and then you put Carmelo Anthony in.
Isn't the reason that lost by by twenty points. So
there's some validity to everything that is being said with
the type of player that Carmelo Anthony is. But maybe

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in the end, don't blame Carmelo Anthony, who wants to
extend his career, blamed the team that brought him in.
You blamed the team, blamed a construction of the team,
Blamed Darryl Moore because he put it all together. Signing
Carmelo was supposed to give him some firepower, some needed firepower. Um,
when they face to go and stay Warriors, they're going
to need someone off the bands that can fill it up,
that can kind of neutralize some of the spurts that

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the Warriors are making. I think Carmelo can do that.
The thing the problem with the Rockets, the Rockets don't
play great enough. They don't play good enough on defense. Um.
I'm not saying that have to be a lockdown nineteen
eighties or nineties Detroit Piston um bad boys team, but
they have to be able to get some stops to
help their offense because right now they're they're one dimensional.

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They're leaning heavy on their offense. They don't get anything
from New Bucky. I hated that Trevor Reason left that
team last year for the simple fact of what he
can do on defense, how he can stretch the floor,
how he can and Trevor Reason had a really good
debut with the with the Sons last night, and there
went over the Mavericks. The the team that they put

(01:19:31):
together to beat Golden State last year, was that Chris
Paul hamstring strain away from beating that Warriors team. And
and so when you look at it that way, you
could say, hey, I'm just gonna add Carmelo Anthony. Well,
there's other pieces that ended up being taken away. We
mentioned Trevor Ariza, We mentioned Jeff besdelic of not being
on the bench, and that's the Houston was better defensively

(01:19:54):
last year. But this new Rockets team, and maybe it's
the old Rockets team that crept in it is going
to be different than what we saw from a year ago.
I'm not ready to sit there and say this team
is is done for after losing by twenty points. It's
just not fair to put it all on Camelo's shoulders
last night, and and and I look at at that
Rockets Heck, it was a James Harden m v P

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because now the m v m v P night, Now
the m v P Award is given after the season.
Last night, beforehand they had to give James Harden is
his trophy. It's one of eighty two. It's nothing to
panic about. I will say, I'm not sure how much
more you're gonna get from Carmelo Anthony than what he
gave you last night. But it's just not all Melos faults. No,
necessarily not all Melos faults. I think um everyone to

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find their way. I think with new teams it takes
a while for the identity of the team to kind
of emerge. And with Chris Paul and James Harden and
a bunch of new pieces around, I'd take a while
for him to find the group. But they're too many
talented shooters on their squad, too many talented scores for
this team to kind of lay in a Dulgium. By
the way, if I'm a Rockets fan as well, I'd

(01:20:58):
rather have this team stinking now and then take four
months to maybe get your footing and then turn things
on on the Western Conference. Remember, they were the number
one seed last year and ended up having that home
court where they ended up losing the game seven at home.
But the point is, who wants to peak right now?
On auguste which yesterday was So don't worry Rockets fans.

(01:21:19):
Thinks you're gonna be okay, even if Mellow isn't good anymore.
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(01:22:00):
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search f s R to listen live. Glad Heavy with
Us is tonight on Fox. It's the Cardinals and Francos
in the Desert getting Week seven started in the National
Football League and of course in Game five in the
ALCS tonight justin Verlander against David Price. David Price almost
had appear in Game four last night, but the Red
Sox were able to hold on and be at the

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Houston Astros to go up three one in the best
of seven championship series. It's not the Andrew been attendee
catch that we're talking about. It was the non catch
by Mookie Bets that was ruled fan interference and then
ruled in out the bad of Jose l To in
the first stinning of last night's game. It's it's amazing,

(01:23:04):
bucket because there's so many different angles to this, whether
it be Joe West to his head. There have been
umpire polls for years where he's ranked at the bottom.
He's also one of the guys. When you know the
umpire's name, it's usually not a good thing. But with
Joe West, you know who Joe West is. You had
that you had replay you had the fans. You had

(01:23:25):
a home run not turned into a ground rule double,
or where a player can advance just two bases, a
home run that turned into an out in a championship
series game. So much to the play last night that
has everyone talking today. So I mean, so many things
to unravel and unfortunate like that play was a significant play,
but man, there were so many great plays at the

(01:23:47):
end of the game. Uh to do it is compelling?
Is playoff? Baseball is everything that you want in the
month of October. And yeah, we can debate this rule
and how silly to rule is and whether it's a
good rule or bad rule, but last night the rule
overshadowed what was a terrific game to watch. Do you
like the rule where it states and it was not

(01:24:07):
applied last that do you like that rule in Major
League Baseball fan could have in effect on a play.
I mean, I want to take the fans out of
it because look, I mean it goes all the way
back to the Bartman situation in a way with most
Moses Alu trying to go to the ball and Bartman

(01:24:27):
trying to stick his hand out and he arkily can't
catch it. In it and potentially it cost the Cubs
a game in a series. You would like to see
the fans not in the mix. But then look, we've
all gone to baseball games. We've taken kids to baseball games.
Kids are excited, and I know these are grown adults, uh,
trying to get a souvenir baseball, But it's hard to
resist the urge of the baseball coming at you and

(01:24:50):
that reaching for it and not ducking for cover either.
I mean, I mean it kind of plays. It plays
on our our like our childhood because we've all played baseball.
We've all played catch with our dads or with somebody
of significance, and so it kind of takes you back
to their moment. And so when you see the ball flying,
because I've said in the bleachers and Dodger Stadium and
I've done and I've seen it. Oh you have you

(01:25:12):
ever caught them all? You know, it hasn't been close,
But I act like I'm a catting when I see
it go. I'm like, oh yeah, yeah. I really don't
know how people catch them, to be honest, because when
you're sitting there for away and it's kind of coming,
and if you don't have a glove. I do not
know how people are bear handing those balls. I I
don't know either. It would be a countdown to breaking

(01:25:33):
my left hand, that's what it would be. Up and
break my break my nose like that. I completely miss judged.
And yeah, there there's I'm with you. I am not
taking the chance. And last night, if you see the replay,
there's the one fan. Yeah, he turns away. That would
totally be me. He seems to be the one that's

(01:25:53):
the problem though with all of this, because he's the
one to close Mookie batch in the way. He has
no idea that I think about that guy's life throughout
his life. Now he's gonna be the guy that closed
his eyes and cost the two run home run. That too,
You're going to be and people are gonna be like, oh,
that was you. Oh that's amazing. Guess who we sat

(01:26:15):
next to at dinner. There was that guy in the
stands in game four of the a l S. Yes,
that's what that guy is gonna be known for. I
would have probably have done the same thing. Now, if
a fly ball is flying at you and there's nowhere
to go, like those fans had, maybe you end up
trying to catch it. But that ends up being the
problem that I have with all of this. And I'll
just say it again, the rule stinks. Don't blame Joe West.

(01:26:38):
Joe West did us all a favor. Major League Baseball
did us all a favor. They took a rule that
was idiotic and dumb and actually made the right call.
Mookie Betts was going to catch that baseball. That's what
was going to happen. And whether the Houston Astros and
their fans want to deal with it or not, he
was going to And what happened last night was, Yeah,

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it wasn't of the rules, but it was the right call.
Now the rule is a whole different matter. John Morossi,
a Fox Sports and Major League Baseball Network MLB network
joined us earlier today. We asked him if he would
make any alteration or if he could change the rule
that is in place now for Major League Baseball on
a play like that. Would he hears John Morossi earlier,

(01:27:19):
I would like a little more precise wording on this.
If the activity is happening above the top of the fence,
that that, to me is is the purview of the
fans and and and to expect fans to not add
the very human instinct to grab for the baseball. It's
unrealistic for me. I'd like to see it be a
clearer distinction of if horizontally it is above where the

(01:27:44):
wall isn't and certainly within reason, you're not gonna deliberately
trying to take the ball out of the outfielder's hand
or or or interfew with them in in a very
in a really negative way. I think that what all
all that happened last night was very accidental, and in
my judgment, I think that I should have been given
to the fans in that case. And that was John
Morossi earlier. And again it's it's about what the rule is,

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and I just that's not my biggest takeaway from last night.
The biggest takeaway from me last night wasn't that Major
League Baseball didn't apply the rule correctly. It's that Major
League Baseball just has a stupid rule. It is a
a dumb rule that affects play and can affect play.
I mean, we're talking about a guy who paid a
ticket is now having a role in how Game four

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of the ALCS is playing out. You don't see that,
Bucky in any other sport. You don't. You don't see
a fan hanging over the edge being able to knock
a field goal away on a game winning kick and saying, well,
all right, well it wasn't it like, you don't have
that another basketball. Maybe it's the better because fans are
so close to the court, but you don't. You don't
see if a ball is flying out of bounds and

(01:28:51):
a fan being able to knock the ball away or
knocked the ball out of someone's hands. It's absurd to
think that because a fan is close that they have
the right to affect the ball game. That's not how
it should happen. No, it shouldn't happen. You shouldn't. I mean,
you want to keep you want fans, You want to
bring fans closer. You want them to have the fan experience,
even the behind the scenes experience where they can really

(01:29:12):
feel what it's like to be on the field, but
you don't want them to impact the game. It is
something that is going to have to be discussed because
you can't have these situations happened where it overshadows what
was a terrific game. You know, when we asked Jamrosi
as well, he said, you know, those those are prime seats.
That the cost of those seats is, you know, something
that the team would would have to deal with. And

(01:29:32):
I get that, but we're talking about a row of seats,
and we're talking about we're talking about thousands of dollars
in in a sport that's dealing with millions and billions
of dollars. I mean millions and millions of dollars, and
most of the money is coming off of TV stuff,
not necessarily ticket sales. And I mean I've been to
the Dodging game. I've sat back out there, and that's

(01:29:53):
that's like the Coca Cola all you can eat pavilion.
Those seat those seas are like thirty dollars. We're not
talking about We're not talking about like those. Yeah, I
mean we out there. I mean back in the day
it was the six dollar was the six dollar take
as you go sitt in the bleachers? Oh yeah, yeah, yes,
absolutely absolutely. John Ramos was there quite a bit and

(01:30:15):
the bleachers and back in the day and dogs And
I'll tell you what, Dodger Stadium at least has a
gap in a majority. Now in the corners, it's different
because it's the lowest fence with fans, you can get
a cheap home run because the fence is slow and
it's wrapped around around the foul ball. But in the
in the in the gaps and right center and left center,

(01:30:37):
there's a you're not gonna have a fan reach over.
That's that's not going to be the case. And and
I just look at it like if if you're Major
League Baseball, you have got to figure out a way
to not have a fan impact the ballgame like it
happened last night. Again, Joe s no one else is
giving him an applause. I'm going to time good jobs, job,

(01:31:00):
don't call it. Listen, all of these TV shows, these
new TV shows these days, are guys who don't play
by the rules. I'm a doctor. I don't care about
your rules. I'm here to save people. That every single
show is about some guy, whether it be in the
law office, a cop, a doctor, New Amsterdam. You know
a guy, You're all fired because all you care about

(01:31:21):
us the bottom line, I care about the patients. Joe
West last night cared about what's right for baseball, didn't
follow the rules. Joe West should get his own drama
on NBC for what happened last night because he did
the right thing. He didn't play by the rules. They
shouldn't play by the rules if the rules are so stupid.
That's what you get with TV shows. Nowaday Joe West
should have his own TV show. Oh man, you watch

(01:31:43):
a lot of TV. I can't, you know, I can't
really say I'm freaking sports, Jenkis. I'm always watching games
and stuff like that. If I do watch some TV,
is some mindless reality TV. Yeah, that's that's right that
I watched. And a lot of times what I do
is I'll put it on my daughter and say that
you made me what like Housewives? Are you talking about,
like Team Mom, the Bachelorette? Yeah, there you go, I'll

(01:32:07):
put it. I'll put it on. I put it on
my daughter and say that, oh, we're having a bonding moment.
Of the dramas out there now in scripted television are
about someone who's just not gonna take it anymore, and
they're gonna they're they're not gonna they're not gonna deal
with the man, They're not gonna deal with the rules.
They're gonna do it their own way, and they're gonna
make a difference in someone's life, whether it be at

(01:32:29):
a hospital, a courthouse, on the street, in a firehouse.
That's that's all you've got now in TV, someone says,
I don't play by the rules anymore. I play by
the rules of humanity. Yeah, it's garbage, it is. It's
it's the same TV show just on Fordifferent. You don't
like a lot of by the Way, by the Way,
wind not last night that the the doctor on This

(01:32:51):
is Us now is on a million little things as
a dad. Yeah. So so if you want to talk
about a show that's trying to copycat now, you've got
Gerald mcgraany, I think is the longtime actor who's on
a bunch of different TV shows. It's on both shows.
I know. We took quite a left turn. I I know, left, yeah, left,
and he's Bucky Brooks. I'm Dan buy our good job,
Joe West. That's what I mean to say. This is

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(01:33:36):
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(01:34:18):
but some hoops is Lebron James makes his Lakers debut
tonight in Portland, writing for The Athletic and covering the Lakers.
Bill Orum joins us here on Fox Sports Radio Hey, Bill,
how you doing? Thanks so much for coming on. Hey,
my pleasure. How are you guys today? We are doing well.
Pulled unofficial poll, but pulled some Laker fans around the
building and on the show here a little bit earlier
on this show, said what do you want? What do

(01:34:39):
you want from Lebron James tonight? What do you expect?
What do you want to see from Lebron? Got a
bunch of various answers, but it kind of all generally generally,
Bill settled on distributing and then being Lebron. Is that
what we're going to see tonight is Lebron takes the
the court for the first time in the Lakers uniform.
What do we expect from King James tonight? Yeah, I

(01:35:00):
think I think this is gonna be a pretty um
uh typical sort of Lebron kind of night. He's gonna
come out there and kind of look to make make
kind of his his initial statement that he is here
and he's a Los Angeles Lakers. So I think you're
gonna see, um, you know, you're gonna see him trying to,
you know, push the ball in transition, try to try
to have some of those highlight dunks. Um, you know,

(01:35:21):
some some some fancy passes. I mean, this is obviously
a very big stage. It's the national TV game season opener.
Uh that people have been thirsting for this, I mean,
and I mean this the third night of NBA Action,
And and we haven't seen Lebron yet, so um, I
think he's gonna be looking to put on a show.
And and yes, he's gonna be distributing. That's gonna be

(01:35:41):
a big part of what he's doing, of what he does.
But the Lakers have so many ball handlers, it's going
to be interesting to see how all of these pieces
actually fit together. So it's gonna be from a Lakers standpoint,
it's going to be interesting just to see, um, what
they actually have and if this team can be as
good as a lot of people think. I mean just
just meaning, you know, fifth seat in the West. Not
to say that this is a team that is a

(01:36:01):
finished product by by any stretch of the imagination, but
you know, the Blazers are a team that the Lakers
are going to be buying for playoff positioning with um,
you know, a team that you know maybe needs to
be out of the playoff pictures for the Lakers to
get in I mean something like that. So, um, it's
going to be a very telling first month or two

(01:36:21):
of the season and start tonight. I think there's a
lot of excitement about it. There's a lot of excitement
about the Lakers near, a lot of excitement about the
young players that they have, Kyle Kuzler, brandon ingram Alonzo
ball Um. But these guys have never really played on
the big stage that Lebron typically brings. How do you
feel the young players for the Lakers will respond to
now being on the big stage on the under the

(01:36:44):
bright lights in l A. Yeah, so it's it's um,
it's probably gonna take some time, truly for them to
get comfortable playing with a player like Lebron, who, um
really changes the game. I mean the way defenses flocked
to him. I mean they're these are guys two are
gonna have never been so open for threes. Unfortunately they're
not especially good three point shooters yet, but there is um,

(01:37:04):
this is going to change what the game looks like
for them and just the pressure of every moment because uh,
you know of the attention that comes from being with Lebron.
But one thing it's been interesting about these young guys.
They have never once I speaking of a Lonzo Ball
brandon Ingram Kyle's Kusma Josh Hart. They have never let
on that this is um intimidating or even exciting. They

(01:37:25):
have they have remained very focused and very business like,
which has been impressive. Who considering you're dealing with year
old kids. Who I mean, Alonzo Ball grew up with
Lebron's posters in his room. He was you know, he
he modeled parts of his game after Lebron James since
he was six years old. And all of a sudden,
their teammates and Alonzo though recognizes you can't come in

(01:37:48):
here and be a fan. You know, they are partners.
They are part of They are part of a solution
for this Lakers franchise. And so as as much as
you think these guys might be giddy on the inside, um,
they aren't showing that. Bill or I'm joining us here
on five Sports Radio, he's Bucky Brooks. I'm Dan buyer
in for Doug Gottlieb on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Bill,
of course, writes for the Athletic covering the Lakers. How
different is it with Lebron James now a member of

(01:38:10):
the Lakers, compared to I guess what the circus would
be with the Lakers in the previous years without him. Well,
I mean if the last two years there was there
was no superstar on the roster to speak of, I
mean you had kind of this two year gap from
the end of Kobe Bryant's tenure to the arrival of
of of Lebron, And you know, those were two years
that were marked by anticipation and a lot of hope

(01:38:32):
that the Lakers had a star in the making on
the roster, whether it was brandon ingram Alonzo Ball, Kyle Kuzma,
but really nothing, nothing that said this is a team
that is ready to take the next step. And Lebron
coming in not only is he a great player, but
he is you know, a megastar who brings all kinds
of expectations. So from a media standpoint, um, you know,

(01:38:54):
there's global media at everything the Lakers do. Uh, the
local TV stations in l A all all send um
sent their sports reporters up up here. I mean that's
not something that happens typically on the road. I mean
it has the feel of, you know, a playoff game
like a playoff opener um and it's and here we are.
We don't even know if this is gonna be a
playoff team the Lakers have, but it really does kind

(01:39:17):
of change the the excitement and the pressure. It changes
the pressure for everyone. I wrote today about about Luke Walton,
who two years ago was the face of this franchise
and was viewed as as kind of the savior of
the Lakers, and that the Lakers were going to build
a team around Luke Walton. Well things have changed. They
front office was replaced by a global icon and Magic Johnson.
They brought in all these young players who have kind

(01:39:39):
of collectively become, you know, cornerstones in their own right,
and then you bring in, you know, the most the
most dominant player in the modern game in Lebron James.
All of a sudden, Luke Walton is feeling pressure like
he's never felt before. He he was, you know, kind
of um had this charmed, this charmed existence for the
first year or two, and now he's just subject to
other the more routine pressure of life in the NBA.

(01:40:02):
You know, I think about the pressure because you talked
about Luke Walton, but I want to expand on that discussion. Um,
Luke Watan has never really had to coach a superstar. Um,
how do you think he navigates every relationship with Lebron
when Lebron has been a guy who's been known to
kind of chew up coaches and spit them out. So
Lucas coach superstars. I mean when you look at what

(01:40:23):
he did in Golden State where he had you know,
three superstars on the floor and went thirty nine and
three or thirty nine four or whatever it was. But
those are very different kinds of superstars. Steph Curry, Clay
Thompson from Lebron, James. Lebron challenges coaches, He pushes coaches,
he calls out his coaches. UM, you know, I've talked
to Mike Brown and and uh and others who who

(01:40:46):
who've who've managed him, and they all say, like, in
the end, you're happy you've coached him. It's a great relationship,
but man, he pushes you and makes it makes life
very difficult will while you're in the heat of it,
And Luke Walton is going to have that. Um. I
think Luke is gonna lean a lot on his experiences
playing with Kobe Bryant. I think he saw how Kobe
operated in a lot of ways. UM, Kobe and Lebron

(01:41:07):
are similar in terms of their their their intelligence when
it comes to the game of basketball, and and kind
of they're um larger than life uh footprint within an organization.
But Luke is a very even keeled guy. He doesn't
let things bother him. He's he's kind of known for
seeing the big picture. So I don't think he's a
coach who's necessarily going to get bogged down in in

(01:41:29):
kind of the dynamic between himself and Lebron James. He's
also a very um cerebral basketball person, and I think
he and Lebron are going to connect on those on
those things. And you know, one one thing that um
I wrote today is if you look at the last
coach and really the only coach in fifteen years who's
gotten fired as a result of Lebron James, and you
have to go all the way back uh Paul Stilists

(01:41:51):
uh to get to David platt Um, who was a
more tactical coach, who was a tactician, and Lebron did
not not really jive with with that. Luke is not
that same kind of tactician. He's a much more of
a free flowing um guy whose real strength is building
a culture, building an environment, like empowering players. And so

(01:42:13):
I do think there's going to potentially be a nice
match between Luke and Lebron where Lebron helps compensate for
some of Luke Walton's less refined coaching attributes and UH
and also fits really nicely into the culture that Luke
has built. So that is the scenario where I could
see things going really well for them. But to your point,
if as the Lakers struggle and they have a brutal

(01:42:33):
stretch to start the season, UM against against you know,
some of the best teams in the Western Conference, UH,
tonight in Portland, than Houston on Saturday, followed by game
against the Spurs, UM and then then Minnesota. It's going
to UM. It could snowball. And when you're looking for
your scapegoat in the NBA, that's almost always the coach.
Bill or Um joining us here on Fox Sports Radio

(01:42:54):
covers the Lakers for the Athletic hus Buckey Brooks. I'm
Dan Buyer in for Doug Gottlieb today. Is it more?
And I'm guessing by your answer it doesn't seem there's
a lot to do about x As and Nose than
with Luke Walton and Lebron's relationship, right. I mean, it's
just it's making sure that things work out. Is is
that fair to say? Bill? Yeah, I think I think

(01:43:16):
that's I think that's fair. I mean, it's not to
say that there isn't an excess in those component to
the relationship. But but what Luke has done is kind
of come in and if you were around the Lakers
towards the end of the Byron Scott era, when Kobe
Bryant kind of had the the organization hit pause on
everything to to to to usher Kobe Bryant out into
you know, into his new life, and there was a
farewell tour and Mitch cup Check even said, um, you know,

(01:43:37):
this season is about Kobe forsaking the the development of
DeAngelo Russell, Larry Nance, Jordan Clarks and Julius randall these
guys who were going to be around post Kobe. Um.
The culture was not good within the Lakers organization. It
was very dour and they wouldn't got Luke Walton, who
comes from the spur excuse me, from the from the
Steve Kerr tree and has the Phil Jackson tie and

(01:43:58):
he comes in and all the stuff and those music
blasting and practice and it's a very relaxed environment and
and players are are encouraged to speak up. Um. That
is what Luke's real strength and what his um imprint
on the Lakers has been so far. But but believe me,
Lebron is also looking for a coach who is going
he's going to um align with on the floor in

(01:44:20):
terms of style of play and the way the Lakers play,
I think is gonna fit well with Lebron because they're
gonna get out and run, They're gonna try to defend.
They're gonna run and and push the ball and get
easy buckets in transition. Now, Lebron James, not a guy
you think of is playing in a super up tempo offense.
But that's one way the Lakers can actually um reduce
his workload a little bit. It's not by resting him
for entire games or getting you know, or or cutting

(01:44:42):
his minutes. But if Brandon Ingram and Lonzo Ball and
Kyle Kuzman are getting out and running, Lebron can actually
be the trailer sometimes like that has never been a
luxury he's enjoyed. He's always had to be the guy
who's who's who's pushing the pace if they're if his
teams are gonna run, who's getting out and kind of
leading the charge, and he'll be able to to catch
his breath. I think a little bit playing with these
young guys who are gonna be able to get out

(01:45:03):
and run, uh time and again, time and time again.
Uh this season, you know, thinking about uh young guys
one one dynamic that I'm curious to see. You don't
want to get your perspective on Rajon Rondo and Alonzo Ball.
Rajan Rondo is a guy who is a leader. Lebron
is raved about his basketball like you. But the team

(01:45:24):
was kind of expecting to have Alonzo Ball be the
point guard of the future. How does that relationship? How
does that play out as we get into games? Does
Rondo start, does Rondo's finish? What kind of role will
Alonzo Ball have for the squad? I think it's I
think it's kind of all up Alonzo. I think it's
going to be. I think the default is that Rondo
is the starter and probably the closer, and then Alonzo

(01:45:46):
has a lot of questions to answer is he um?
Is he offensively more um, more confident? Is his is
his three pointer more of a threat? I mean, he
can't be going out there and shooting one for twelve
from three like he did last year in a couple
of games. He's not going to have that leash like
he did a year ago. Um, Rondo is more ready
for the job right now, But the Lakers need Alonzo

(01:46:07):
to be to be the guy by the end of
the year so they can move forward with him as
as the point guard of the future. Otherwise they're gonna
have problems. Uh So, I think I think the Rondo
dynamic is interesting because last year the Lakers didn't have
a veteran point guard presence for Alonzo to um to
study or learn from in any way. Now he has that,

(01:46:28):
and I think, um, it's a bit of a test
for Alonzo. But it's also a security blanket. So you
have Rondo who can come in and do the job
until Alonzo forcibly takes it from him, which is the
challenge the Lakers have made, Like come gets his job,
but if for some reason a Lonzo doesn't, I get there,
his year is uneven like a year ago. And look,
Alonzo was very good as a rookie ten point seven rebounds,

(01:46:49):
seven as this a game, but from three, we had
historically bad shooting numbers through the first half of the season.
And it's tons of time with with with with knee injuries.
There's a lot of question marks about him, and and
it's and you can't go into a season with the
best player of the world in the world, and you
can't waste a year of the best player in the
world's career with with with that big of a question

(01:47:12):
market point guard. And so that's why Rondo's here, that
the Lakers fully expect a Lonzo to Um to come
get that job at some point this season, and that
first year of the Lebron James era in l A
starts tonight in Portland. He'll be sitting courtside or maybe
because there's so many press seats. I don't even know
if they have auxiliary seating. I don't know where they're
gonna put all the all the press bill. But but

(01:47:33):
it's it's amazing, it's it's it's gonna be a full house.
They I heard they had to turn away more media
in Portland than they have in years. It's gonna be
a it's gonna be it's gonna be quite a show.
Bill or Rise for the athletic covering the Lakers will
be there tonight to take it all in. We appreciate it, Bill,
and uh yeah, enjoy it tonight. Hey, thank you very much.
Thank you soon find Bill on Twitter at simple enough
at bill or Um. Should be a spectacle tonight. Again,

(01:47:55):
the NBA knows what they're doing. The schedule was set
out kind of to have Lebron Lebron Zone night tonight,
even though it's on the road. Yeah, but then you
come back with a primetime game on Saturday. Yeah, that's
what That's what you do. You're gonna see a lot
of Lakers this year at the NBA. He's Bucky Brooks,
I'm Dan Buyer. Will you see a lot of Marcus

(01:48:16):
Mariotta in the Tennessee Titans future? And what about Jamis Winston?
That question and a whole lot more. Do we get
set for a Week seven coming up next? But first,
Steve the Sabers here to give us the latest. Hello Steve, Hello.
There are three NBA games tonight, including that late contest
of the Lakers at Portland. The g League will offer
a hundred twenty five thousand dollar contract to elite eighteen
year old prospects who aren't eligible for the NBA yet.

(01:48:39):
Nine NHL games this evening, Goalie Corey Crawford finally returns
for Chicago from a concussion. Game five of the a
L Championship Series is tonight at eight pm Eastern Time,
Boston at defending champions Houston. David Price against Justin Verlander,
who won at Boston earlier in this series, six inning,
six strikeouts. Then Red Sox do lead this at three

(01:49:00):
games to one. Chris Sale would start a game six
for Boston if needed. In the NFL tonight on Fox TV,
it's Denver at Arizona. Jacksonville running back Leonard Fournette could
miss a third straight game with a hamstring injury. He
was expected to miss practice again today. Houston's at Jacksonville
this weekend. Texans wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins did not practice
due to a bad foot. Coltswide receiver t Y Hilton

(01:49:22):
was limited in practice today due to his hamstring. The
Giants signed wide receiver Corey Coleman to the practice squad,
his fourth team in three months. Giants tight end Evan
Engram practice fully today he's been out for a month
with his bad knee. Tampa Bay defensive tackle Gerald McCoy,
with a calf injury, miss practice again. The Buck's host
Cleveland Sunday. Browns linebacker Joe Schobert did not practice again

(01:49:42):
due to his hamstring, and the Bear say linebacker Khalil
Mack is still day to day with his ankle. He
did not practice today, Thank you very much. Steve, Bears
and Patriots coming up on Sunday from Chicago. This is
the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. He's
Bucky Brooks, I'm Dan Buyer. Tonight, Week seven starts with
a Roccos and Cardinals in Arizona. The Buccaneers take on

(01:50:04):
the Browns and Jamis Winston goes up against Baker Mayfield Titans.
We mentioned them a little bit earlier on Marcus Mariota
go to London to take on the Chargers. And this
when you have these two quarterbacks drafted one too, It's
gonna be the same thing with Goffin wins although it
hasn't been as much is I thought we would get.
Maybe it's because of Wentz's injury, maybe because it was

(01:50:27):
golf slow start, there hasn't been as much comparison with that,
but with Winston and Mariota, you will always have comparisons.
And the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, I guess have a decision
to make the same thing as you look at the
future with Marcus Mariota in Tennessee. But I mean, are
these two guys the future for their current teams? Are

(01:50:48):
they the future quarterbacks in Tampa and in Tennessee? With
Mariota and Winston, well, I mean I think both guys
have had their fifth year options picked up, so the
team is obviously invested enough to want to retain their services, uh,
pending an injury. But I do think you have to
wonder when you pick guys at the first and the
second pick, respectfully, you would think that they're going to

(01:51:08):
be changers, franchise changers, saviors. Uh. In Tennessee, we have
seen Marcus Mariota and his team get to the playoffs.
They want to playoff game a season ago. But he
played bad last year and he hasn't played great this year.
With Jamis Winston Dion, field play has improved, However, the
off field decision making continues to be a thing that

(01:51:29):
we always have to talk about suspended for three games,
uh at the start of this season, and so you
just don't know. And the reality of it is this
Dirk Cutter is probably going to be fired at the
end of the season if this team doesn't turn it around.
You could have a new general manager in place. Typically,
when you have a new general manager a new head coach,

(01:51:50):
they prefer to have their own quarterback. So Jamison is
own notice and what he does the remainder of the
season really, to me, would determine whether he has a
long term future in Tampa back. Has his play done
enough to warrant like if there if there were no
off field stuff, would Jamis Winston be around for a

(01:52:12):
long term deal. I think the answer and I'll just
tell you I think it's a resounding yes. I think
he's He's played well, He's he's improved. If you go
back and you look at how you played last year,
he improved in every category off in completion percentage, passing yards, touchdowns,
an interception rate was down. So on the field he
has done some things. However, when you bring in the

(01:52:33):
off field stuff, um, the suspension, UH, some of the
things where you just worry about his leadership ability and
his maturity UM A lot of times, as we like
to think of the quarterback, the quarterback is a regal position.
The quarterback. The standard of play at quarterback, the standard
of um expectation at quarterback is different than any other
position in football. And so you want to make sure

(01:52:55):
that the guy you're hitting your wagon to as someone
that's dependable, reliable, productive in all the other things. And
so for jamis a lot of it has to be
done on the field, but more importantly, he has to
play well while also conduct himself in a manner that
we say is regal royalty at a position. The three
games suspension, and it's not in defense of anything. It
did happen a couple of years ago, and there was

(01:53:17):
also the reporting of it and the failure to do so.
But the the sideline antics that you had with Marshawn
Lattimore a year ago, the running on the field, yelling
at the ref in the game. Believe it was the
Patriots last year when when right? But but but those
are the things as well that that point up. But

(01:53:39):
when you look at just on the field and what
the weapons around it, Bucky I said at the start
of the year, we could go back and forth, but
I think pass catching, why is the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
have the best core in the National Football League, are
the best group when you talk about wide receivers and
tight ends. I think it's yeah, very difficult to rival
in Jamis in and more times than not has lived

(01:54:01):
up to that. Their defense is atrocious, and they made
the move this week that fire Mike Smith Mark Duffner
gets promoted to be their defensive coordinator. But offensively, at
least on the field and when the ball is snapped.
I think that Jamis has done about as much as
you could ask. He certainly has played better um and
he's put up numbers and I think you have to
cast aside like fantasy football numbers versus real numbers that

(01:54:23):
can lead to victories. And as I stated, like last
year he was kind of coming into his own. Uh,
everything was on the upswing. But then you have the suspension.
So now it has put him in a situation where
everyone is on notice. Look, all the jobs in Tampa
are up for sale, and so they have to win games,
and for Jamie's I think the best way for jamis
to secure his spot. They have to win. They have

(01:54:45):
to win at a high level. He has to perform well.
Obviously his defense isn't good enough to kind of mask
his flaws. He's going to have to play like an
all star to get them there. And so if he
does that, I think he'd be around boring that. I
think it's debatable whether he'd be the quarterback for a
long term Mariota is see I think the thing. The
thing with Marcus Mariota is this, like Marcus Mariota is

(01:55:06):
everything that you want off the field, characters, high leadership ability, teammate,
the way he gets along with his guys, But he
still has some limitations as a quarterback in terms of
his ability to thrive and perform in the pocket. And
then when you have a guy that is a dual
threat playmaker, um, if he's going to be that, he
needs to be that, meaning he needs to run, he's
to flee the pocket. I believe Marcus kind of gets

(01:55:28):
caught up in what um a lot of the outside noises,
Like we always get these dual three quarterbacks to come
into the league, and the first thing we talked about
is can they perform from the pocket. At the end
of the day, you have to play the game the
way that you've been blessed to play at the style
that you're blessed to play with, and for him, he
has to move and get outside of the pocket. The
thing that crushes him is he seemingly always hurt, always

(01:55:52):
banged up, not necessarily and so what are you getting?
The availability has to be there and he's fighting through
a tough end re right now, but at some point
he has to play better than he's played the last
year and a half. He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Dan Buyer.
This is the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
As we are sitting in for Doug today, we will
get you set for a Thursday night game and the

(01:56:13):
Jacksonville Jaguars have a big divisional showdown against the Houston
Texans in week seven. Will dive into that and more
because Jalen Ramsey is at it again. We'll explain next
year on Fox Sports Radio. Be sure to catch live
editions of The Doug got Leap Show week days at
noon Eastern three pm Pacific. Thanks for hanging out today.
There was no dog, but you had Bucky Brooks and

(01:56:33):
myself Dan Buyer. Doug will be back tomorrow to gets
you set. He'll have his five for five for the
PIX in college football and the NFL. Will also take
a stab at what's happening in the NFL tonight with
the Broncos and Cardinals. But first, let's get an update
of what's happening around the world of sports with one
Stephen Say the Press. Hello, Steve Hello. Normally loquacious, Jalen

(01:56:56):
Ramsey didn't have much to say to the media again
today and meet the session. It lasted a minute ten seconds.
Of course, if you've seen the Jags defense last week's
maybe you have an indication why. Normally very talkative, but
he was asked, for example about, uh, the impending matchup
with DeAndre Hopkins. Perhaps same as it always been, he said,
my past two years, you all ask me the same question. Well,

(01:57:17):
your thoughts on Deshaun Watson really good. So Jalen Ramsey
not much with the media to wow. Jalen Ramsey as uh,
I love the I love the honesty. I love that.
I know that he got some some brushback from it, Bucky,
but I loved the the honesty and I don't like
to hear this Jalen Ramsey. I'd rather hear the one

(01:57:40):
that talks all the time. Yeah, I want to hear
a real Jalen Ramsey. I think, what do you have
a couple of different things? You have a couple of
different things. You play. Everyone beat him up for having
real on his takes, and then the team hasn't been
as good. His defense hasn't been stellar. So it's kind
of hard to bark and talk when your team hasn't
played like I thought it would play. He should talk more.

(01:58:00):
And I'm truly saying this, This isn't a joke. So
you're talking about him instead of Blake Bortles like like truly,
like like take some pressure off of your quarterback of saying, like,
why are you doing? That's what two true teammates do.
He probably needs to start jawing. So we're not saying, yeah,
Blake Bortles wasn't the answer. The Cowboys quarterback talk today

(01:58:21):
Dak Prescott saying there was an offensive meeting about how
they've done on third down conversions in their first three
road games nine for thirty eight combined. He said, we
addressed the elephant in the room as an offense. I
think it was great, great meeting. We had the whole
offense in there, just talking among the coaches and players
about the thing that maybe we need to do better
on the road, just communication. It was a third and

(01:58:42):
long meeting. You're half right, yeah, you know, Sean Sean.
Shaun Lee's getting healthier, isn't he Sean Lee? Yes, yeah,
but the young kid is playing better. I was I
was gonna say, if they ever retire Shawn Lee's number,
They're just gonna hang a polo shirt up kind because
that's number five. Really Anyway, a great item this afternoon

(01:59:13):
for Mike Florio Pro Football talk about the silliness of
people saying, hey, you know what if the Chargers aren't
getting attendants, they might move back, might move somewhat. No,
they have a twenty yearly signed with the Rams owner
to move into that new place he's currently building in Inglewood, California,
near l a X Airport, And as Florio put it,
everything currently being sold at that big new venue is

(01:59:37):
based on their being twenty NFL games per year at
the site, not just ten from the Rams every year years.
The the the Chargers and this is the dilemma, guys,
and Steve can weigh in on this. It's would San
Diego have shown up if they had a new stadium
at any point during the last fifteen years, because in attendance,

(02:00:00):
you mean yes, because let's be honest, half of that
stadium in San Diego is filled with opposing fans for
the last ten or fifteen years. Well, in all sports
in California, there's a financial incentive to sell your tickets
to the opposing fans. They really will pay a premium
and it's really exacerbating when you have a small venue
like but this, this wasn't like the Browns leaving Cleveland,

(02:00:24):
Like I just I don't think they were the same.
I just don't. Sorry, San Diego just it wasn't the same.
Which gets me to the fact that they're gonna have
to do something with that monstrosity of a Qualcom stadium
hopefully imploded in the next couple of years. But that
means what happens to San Diego State football? I assume
that means no more Holiday Bowl game every December. But
there is, guys, a minimum for n c A attendance

(02:00:47):
to be a Division one football program or FBS is
it's known now Northern Illinois has had the problem of
attendance because they said for last season, total home attendance
was sixty eight thousand total for the season. The student
newspaper obtained an audit that said, actually it was under
forty eight thousand, and so the n c A has

(02:01:08):
now made Northern Illinois by nearly two seventy five thousand
dollars worth of tickets in order to go up and
get the minimum of fifteen thousand per game. That's remember
remember you and I excuse me, and I un Northern
Iowa and I in a BCS Bowl game and way
to go Student Newspapers. The TV ratings for sports out

(02:01:34):
actually all TV ratings for last night led by Chicago Mad,
Chicago Fire, and Chicago p D. You know Chicago Met
has been a doctor who placed by his own rules. Anyway, Well,
that was getting about seven mill very impressive. The Red
Sox game at Houston last night for TBS six point

(02:01:55):
two million. Baseball dominated over all the NBA last night.
In fact, the NBA double header on ESPN got roughly
one and a half million, so Red Sox about six million.
Even the Dodger Day game got more than the NBA.
The post game show of the Dodger Day game one
FS one got more than the NBA on ESPs that

(02:02:16):
that is amazing. Not as amazing as a firefighter who
doesn't play by the rules of his chief sets down
all right. Hard to believe that the Broncos are actually
a favorite on a road game. Bucky Denver in Arizona
tonight in Phoenix, Broncos a one point favorite. What are
we going to see in twenty seconds or so. We're

(02:02:38):
gonna see Josh Rosen throw the ball all over the yard.
It is his national premier. I think he's gonna have
a big game. I am going to go with the Cardinals.
I think the Corners get a double. I I did too.
Christian Kirk is really starting to to to be a favorite.
David Johnson has played a lot better and again when
it comes to Thursday night games, a road team like Denver,

(02:03:01):
as long as they're not playing the Giants, everything should
be well. I like the Cardinals as well. He's Bucky Brooks.
I'm Dan Buyer sitting in for Doug. Doug will be
back tomorrow. Enjoy the football tonight and the baseball. We'll
talk to you soon.

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