October 13, 2025 • 22 mins
Doug riffs about Indiana football. Doug reacts to Lavar Arrington's take on Penn State. Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart deems as most annoying today. Plus, Ja'Marr Chase makes today's installment of "Because We Can".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show years in
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
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This is crazy that Indiana beat Organ at Oregon, right,
And obviously they've had the ability to kind of load
up on these games where they played nobody in the
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non conference, which again as scheduling, I mean, I'm trying
to build a program, I do the exact same thing.
Illinois was ranked at home. I don't know how good
Illinois is. They beat Iowa on the roads, good win
against a always good, solid Iowa team, but nothing spectacular.
But to go and beat Organ at Organ incredible. Now,
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what's weird about Indiana is as of now they don't
play another ranked opponent the rest of the year, and
Michigan State's not gonna be ranked, Ucla is not gonna
be ranked, Maryland is not gonna be ranked, right, Penn
State very very doubtful. They went from top five in
the country. Now they fired their coach. Not likely not
can be ranked.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
No.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Drew Aller Wisconsin probably ends up firing Luke Ficklety in
the year, and Purdue like these they literally play the
bottom of the league. So Indiana has a chance to
go undefeated this season and oh yeah, by the way,
during which they will only have played two ranked teams.
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So what's the true Indiana story. Do you have a coach, yes,
is he outstanding? Yes, But let's also be honest with ourselves.
Part of it is huge financial investment in that team.
And that's where we are with college football college basketball
the same. It still takes outstanding coaching and it takes
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huge financial investment. If you have both of those things,
you're like and you and you do well at the
quarterback position, which they did, you're very likely to be successful,
very likely. Why has it worked so well well? Signetti
comes from what James Madison and I think this is
a big thing. I wouldn't hire a coach that comes
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from the NFL unless he has his whole staff, brings
guys with them, and even then you're coming from different staffs.
If you want to get it going, you have a
you basically buy a program, hire a coach, even at
a lower level, and he brings his twenty best guys
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and his coaches, and that becomes kind of your culture stabilizer.
Otherwise you end up starting all over, and it's really
really difficult. And I don't know of anybody who's started
over who's been able to build it in a new
consistent winner in two or three years. It's just very difficult. Now.
The guy before you, you know, left you a lot
of players. It used to be you could win right away.
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That's what happened with Urban Meyer at Ohio State. That's
to happen with Bob Stoops when he was at Oklahoma.
You know, previous coaching staffs at Oklahoma, they weren't great,
weren't great in terms of quarterback play coaching. Some of
the coaching stuff was just okay, but the players were
really good. You come in, you add a quarterback, and
you coach them up. Now you're great. Nowadays, when you
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change coaches, you lose your whole team. So, by my estimation,
the best way to be successful one of these programs
is to hire somebody who brings their whole staff and
you know, at least a quarter of their players. But
Indiana being right there among college football elite. Sorry, Jason
Stewart know you hate the expression, but I never had
that on my Bengo card.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
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Speaker 2 (03:58):
Let's get through the Foxes and no every day. This
time in the Bonus Podcast to play for you a
previous version of a Fox Sports tradi or Fox Sports
One show. Here's Brady Quinn and LeVar Arrington talking about
the Penn State job.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
For Penn State, I mean, the question was like, if
not now, then when before the season because of all
the talent, They've got a returning quarterback, one of the
best defensive minds they got in the off season, right
like there again, an offensive coordinator that's viewed very well
in the college football community, and Andy Kolniki.
Speaker 6 (04:35):
I just.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
Pretty wild, man. It's pretty wild when you really think
back to how the season started and like where we're
at or not that deep into the season.
Speaker 6 (04:46):
That's the crazy part of it, right, The crazy part
of it is that we're not that deep into the
season and yet we know the season is over. Yes
it is, of uh. It is has to be the
biggest flop ever just because of the way you fell
into the Ucla game. I think the Ucla loss made
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this put that put it in the category of biggest flop.
I mean, if we're just being honest, yeah, you moved
to an unranked team and your top ten team in
this day and age would like you said, with the investment,
there's no way around that.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Oh. I don't know if it's the biggest flop. I
just think this whole thing is ridiculous. It's like we
make this thing about James Franklin not winning games against
ranked teams. He went, they won two games in the
College Foball playoff last year. There's no more pressure in
those games. And you can say, well, the teams they played,
that's fine. And I'm not saying you're not allowed to
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fire a guy, but you canceled the season barely maybe
halfway through, not even halfway through. What did you gain?
Let me tell you the reality of what you did.
You destroyed your program because even though they change rules
where guys can't necessarily leave right away, they're all gonna
fucking leave. And the bigger part is that I think
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they people think, well, we get ahead of it, we
can raise money, and oh yeah, when we raise money,
we can go get the new coach. We're ahead of everybody.
To get the new coach, and I think most people
know where they're gonna go, where they're gonna turn right
when you have a head coach in Nebraska who's wanted,
been a big time college football coach, who's done a
nice job so far in Nebraska. He went to Penn State,
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he's best close friends with the athletic director. But like,
nothing changes between now and then, except for it gives
Nebraska more and more time to figure out, Hey, what
can we do to keep him if we want to
keep him? It is crazy. They were down a point,
Aler goes down and gets hurt, it's fourth and one.
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They still if he doesn't get hurt, and they get
it on fourth to one, they go down, kick a field,
go beat Northwestern. And yeah, the loss to UCLA is embarrassing.
It's not the end of the freaking world. I just
I think so many of these donors boosters are so
overly leveraged and invested in the success of their college
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football program that they lose their minds, and the athletic
directors are only doing this to keep their jobs even
they know it's not the right decision. Here's Dan Byer.
He said this about Dak Prescott surpassing Troy Aikman second
place all the time the Cowboys passing passing yardings list.
Speaker 7 (07:39):
I think Tony Romo has looked at more fondly than
Dak Prescott. Do you think so right now? I think
so by people in or I think in general. I
think that Dak's salary doesn't help him in this case.
And it's all because I think Dak's been very, very good.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (07:55):
And if you go back to the time when Tony
Romo was replaced by Dak, Yeah, and it was so
emotional and Tony broke down and he read a statement
because Dallas decided to go with Dak instead of handing
the job back over to Tony Romo when Romo wasn't
injured anymore. To think at that point that Dak Prescott
would have a better career than Tony Romo maybe not blasphemy,
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but it definitely wasn't something that you would think would happen.
And it did. And Dak's goot many more years to go.
And because of the success of the Cowboys, or maybe
lacked thereof, or the failures that they've had, we look differently.
I just think that Dak is under such an extreme microscope.
And I'm not saying that all of his moments have
been great, but you can't argue the numbers. You can't
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argue what he is at least done for the team
this year when they seem to be shorthanded. And I
just kind of want to give the guy props, even
after a loss today, because I when I saw the
stat pop up that he passed Troy Aikman for second
all time, it was just like, huh, good on you, Dak.
Speaker 8 (09:05):
Hmm.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
I just again, I know they lost yesterday to Carolina.
I do think Dak is probably better than we regard him.
But if the argument for against Romo is what he
do in the postseason, there's not that much of an
argument for Dak. The great thing for Dak is he's
gonna have many more bites at the Apple. But Romo
is kind of the stuff of like folklore legend, and
I think that folklore legends made even bigger because he's
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on TV. Here's Colin Cowhert talking about the Chiefs.
Speaker 9 (09:32):
They can take Hollywood Brown and Jude Juw Smith Schuster
and backup left tackles and okay running backs and get
into the thirties.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Xavier are worthy.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
With any other.
Speaker 9 (09:45):
Team, would he be this good. All they do is
make it work. Andy Reid is the great chef, He's
the Gordon Ramsey. Everything in the kitchen has a role.
Let's just keep tinkering. Let's keep figuring out a way
to make everything work. Put it into our ecosystem, and
let's make it flourish. By the way, this is what
Kansas City does every year when you get into these
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big games. They play differently. No penalties, no turnovers, one
punt whine all you want about the penalties. Well coached teams,
Belichick and.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Brady that this for years.
Speaker 9 (10:21):
They don't turn it over, and they don't get penalized,
and they don't pump much. The NFL seasons are incredibly long.
You can't overreact to zero to two or three and
three again. Get people healthy, make everybody count in the kitchen.
Three weeks ago, when they beat Baltimore, everybody said, well,
Ravens are beat up. Yeah, right now, so is Tampa,
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so is San Francisco. A lot of teams in the
NFL are beat up. Doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
We talked about the Chiefs last week and we approved
right that the offense is starting to figure it out,
the defense is better. I also think think that you know,
people continue to let Detroit dink and dunk and not
throw the ball deep downfield with your quarterback. I don't
think they're as explosive offensively as they were in previous years.
And the reason is not just the coordinator, but the
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coordinator previously would take chances with trick plays, and I
think that did a great job of covering up the
fact that Jared Goff doesn't always like to throw the
ball downfield. That's what the Fox says.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
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Speaker 2 (11:39):
Let's find out who what's annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 10 (11:52):
Doug. I don't know. I haven't heard Dan Bayer give
this detail on the update, but up until the time
that we're recording this podcast, I don't believe that the
NFL has apologized to the city of London and actually
the entire country of Europe. Remember, we have these stupid
games that started at six thirty Pacific time. To grow
(12:16):
the game of the NFL in Europe and all around
the world. If you were a unlucky schmuck who paid
to watch the Jets and Broncos yesterday, I think you
walked out of that stadium with the opposite effect. I'm
guessing people walked out of the stadium thinking, and I'll
stick to the other football, that other thing that we've
been doing over here for much longer than they have.
(12:39):
It was a disgusting game, horrible product. And I would
say that most of it has to do with head
coach Aaron Glent. Remember Aaron Glenn won the press conference.
That was the take of the day. The day after
his Jets press conference, he won the press conference. Look
at this confidence, Look at this Remember you said this,
Doug to any players that.
Speaker 11 (13:00):
Now, put your seat belts on and get ready for
the ride. Put your seat belts on and get ready
for the ride.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Listen.
Speaker 11 (13:05):
There are going to be some challenges, but what challenges
becomes opportunity gets opportunity. But here's what I do know.
We're the freaking New York Jets, so we're built for
this shit.
Speaker 10 (13:13):
I don't know what you're built for. And when you're
saying buckle up because this we're in for a wild ride.
Does it mean that the wild ride of you making
awful head coaching decisions like and not knowing simple things
like math. The end of the first half yesterday had
a broadcaster Kurt Warner say out well that he was speechless.
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He had no idea what the Jets were doing with
their clock management at the end of the first half,
and Aaron Glenn's explanation leaves us even more confounded.
Speaker 11 (13:42):
So I knew we were getting the ball back, and
I think it was like third and seven to third
and eight, and at that point we didn't know we
got the first down or note, because I know one
ref was saying yes, no, it was no. So once
it got the fourth down, guys, I'm not about to
sit there and try to get a playoff and they
will get the ball back, and I think they had
a time out left and give them a chance to
kick a field goal. I don't think that's the smartest
thing to do. So let's just in the half, we
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get the ball back and see what we can get.
Speaker 6 (14:05):
A chance to score.
Speaker 10 (14:06):
There's this thing that teams have been doing for many
years in college and in the pros. You throw a
hail Mary into the end zone. Now, if you were
guarding against the one percent chance it could be intercepted
and taken back the entire way. No, the time could
expire and you could throw a hail mary into the
end zone. That's what most teams do. So then on
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the very last play of the game, he does some weird,
funky math in his press conference answer. He could have
tried a sixty one or sixty two yard field goal
to tie it. I know that's not the I guess
sixty two yards is a long way, but in this
day and age, it doesn't seem to be. He just
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let Justin fields like work the final play of the
game and gave this explanation.
Speaker 11 (14:55):
Well, thirty five for us, Yeah, thirty five fist. I mean,
I know I got he kicked the sixty fifty eight
yard that was his career long, so man, we can
get to thirty five. We felt like we were really
good in that situation with to win and all that,
So I just thought that was tough.
Speaker 10 (15:10):
I don't even know what that means. But he also
was asked about Justin Fields justice.
Speaker 7 (15:17):
Knocking se no got need to be your quarterback next week?
Speaker 6 (15:21):
Or mean, come on, man, what kind of question is
that your games?
Speaker 11 (15:26):
There's a number of guys that you know. I mean
sometimes this league is like this and there are guys
that have bad games. That doesn't mean you just bench them.
Come on, you know better than that.
Speaker 10 (15:36):
So, Aaron Glen, you're annoying for not only kind of
ruining my time as I woke up at six point
thirty to watch that shit. You ruined the entire country
of Europe's time yesterday.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Well I don't know how to tell you this, but
Europe's not a country. But yeah, other than that, it's
it is really interesting. I was trying to get what
he was saying about the end of the game and
what he's telling people without telling people is he does
not trust his quarterback but apparently also doesn't trust his kicker.
None of that makes any sense. We're sorry, We're sorry.
(16:11):
Whose who else is on your list? Who else is
annoying you?
Speaker 10 (16:14):
So we talk about winning press conference and losing press conferences,
I think by all accounts, and it's running to zero
to a tag of Iola lost his press conference after
the game yesterday.
Speaker 12 (16:30):
I think it starts with the leadership in helping articulate
that for the guys and then what we're expecting out
of the guys, right, we're expecting this?
Speaker 7 (16:39):
Are we getting that?
Speaker 12 (16:40):
Are we not getting that? We have guys showing up
to player only meetings late, guys not showing up to
player only meeting Like, There's a lot that goes into that.
Do we have to make this mandatory? Do we not
have to make this mandatory? So so it's it's a
lot of it's a lot of things of that nature
that we got to get clean up. And it starts
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with the little things like that.
Speaker 10 (17:03):
So I think people are confused. Neither of these choices
are great. Either he is self reporting that he's not
a good enough leader to get everyone to report to
us to player only meetings, or he's just basically telling
us how toxic the locker room is and that's a
bad representation of his head coach and his team. But
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I have no idea why he would think that this
would be a He's been in the league a while now,
Why would he think that this would be a reasonable
thing to tell reporters.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
I don't know. I wish I could tell you. I
don't know. I mean, obviously it's that he's frustrated, But
like I don't know. It's the weirdest thing ever. And
you talk about the leadership and what they have to
do like that's you don't I don't get this one,
don't get it all.
Speaker 10 (17:54):
So we saw at the end of last game Brian
Branch caused an altercation. He decided to cold cock Juju
Smith Schuster after having refused a handshake with Pat Mahomes.
A lot of annoying stuff about this, but I will
say some of the reaction on Twitter afterwards that Pat
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Mahomes and the Chiefs somehow deserved it because Mahomes was
talking shit to the guy all game, so he deserved it.
He was talking shit, which kind of goes to a
more macro issue with our society. I don't know if
you remember a keep to Leeb's brother, Keep to Leeve's brother,
I think you serve in prison time now because he
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shot a coach at a rec football game and it
came out that the reason why he shot and murdered
a guy in front of kids and other families was
because he was talking shit. If talking shit is the
standard for violence, we are in trouble, right. We are
in trouble as a society. And on Twitter, if you
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your take was that mahomes and or Juju Smith Schuster
had it coming because they were talking shit, you are
a loser. So that entire situation and the reaction to
it is annoying.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Oh that's really good that I completely agree with you.
The Twitter reaction is just so over the top ridiculous.
Who's the most annoying? I think Tua is the most
annoying though, just because he's this is like, he starts
talking about what the leadership should do and he's the
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highest paid player on the team. Whose quarterback of the team?
Who do you think the leadership should be? To me?
As much as you're right, the twitters fear, Twitter's fear
is always annoying. Tua now a veteran league a quarterback
who's always said the right things to saying this as annoying.
Speaker 12 (19:56):
To a tag O.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 3 (20:01):
I do.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Because we can.
Speaker 10 (20:07):
Hey, Doug, We've been talking a lot on this podcast
over the years about the fact that millennials and gen
z have just changed the meaning of words. They changed
the meaning of the word literally to mean it's opposite,
stuff like that, And now NFL players are kind of
making up like I don't know what you call them?
(20:28):
What's what's the term for slang? They're like making up
slang and they're they're confusing me because I'm fifty three
years old and I can't keep up with this with
the actual meaning of the slang. But if you change
the slang on the fly, you're really fucking with me.
Remember h a'mon ra Saint Brown said this on a
podcast about how the reporters are with Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Bro I'll be on Twitter like I feel like they
be on his dick twenty four to seven. He can't
do shit right, Like, no matter what he does, good
or bad, is all on Twitter like they I saw
he can't breathe like there's one.
Speaker 10 (21:05):
So, uh, you and I talked about this. I always
thought if you're on someone's dick, you're like fucking them
and you're having a good time.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
The term now is glazing them.
Speaker 7 (21:15):
Glazing them.
Speaker 10 (21:16):
So the reporters being on his dick and and being critical, that's.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Yeah, I thought I was being the being on your
ass is when you're when when it's negative.
Speaker 10 (21:27):
So yesterday Jamar Chase was had a nice preview of
the Steelers matchup on Thursday night. They played the Steelers
Thursday night, and Jamar Chase offered some great analysis, but.
Speaker 8 (21:38):
His next game is always the most important game, just
because it's the divisional game also, but uh, just the
rankings that we got going on the standards where we
are right now, we know still's gon't try to come
in and raw dogg us and kill us, but we're
gonna be ready for that challenge and we're gonna be
waiting for it.
Speaker 10 (21:53):
So I always thought raw dogging was having an intercourse
without a condom.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Yeah, that's they move.
Speaker 10 (22:00):
That's changed too. What does it mean now?
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Well, raw dogging is doing anything as difficult, making it
as difficult as possible. Like I think we talked about
this in the pod where if you if you're on
a plane and you don't have your phone and you
don't fall asleep and you just stand there, it's called
raw dogging the plane plane ride. So I think in
this particular case it does mean raw dogging in the
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worst possible sense. But again, raw dogging has has meant,
you know, trying making something unreasonably hard for no reason.
Is the is the new age.
Speaker 10 (22:38):
Term, and that doesn't make any sense. So the word
has migrated to something that I don't even think he
understands what it means. Okay, cool, so that's because we can't.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
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All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show years in
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Doug Gottlieb Show in the Bonus on Fox Sports Radio.
This is crazy that Indiana beat Organ at Oregon, right,
And obviously they've had the ability to kind of load
up on these games where they played nobody in the
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non conference, which again as scheduling, I mean, I'm trying
to build a program, I do the exact same thing.
Illinois was ranked at home. I don't know how good
Illinois is. They beat Iowa on the roads, good win
against a always good, solid Iowa team, but nothing spectacular.
But to go and beat Organ at Organ incredible. Now,
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what's weird about Indiana is as of now they don't
play another ranked opponent the rest of the year, and
Michigan State's not gonna be ranked, Ucla is not gonna
be ranked, Maryland is not gonna be ranked, right, Penn
State very very doubtful. They went from top five in
the country. Now they fired their coach. Not likely not
can be ranked.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
No.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Drew Aller Wisconsin probably ends up firing Luke Ficklety in
the year, and Purdue like these they literally play the
bottom of the league. So Indiana has a chance to
go undefeated this season and oh yeah, by the way,
during which they will only have played two ranked teams.
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So what's the true Indiana story. Do you have a coach, yes,
is he outstanding? Yes, But let's also be honest with ourselves.
Part of it is huge financial investment in that team.
And that's where we are with college football college basketball
the same. It still takes outstanding coaching and it takes
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huge financial investment. If you have both of those things,
you're like and you and you do well at the
quarterback position, which they did, you're very likely to be successful,
very likely. Why has it worked so well well? Signetti
comes from what James Madison and I think this is
a big thing. I wouldn't hire a coach that comes
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from the NFL unless he has his whole staff, brings
guys with them, and even then you're coming from different staffs.
If you want to get it going, you have a
you basically buy a program, hire a coach, even at
a lower level, and he brings his twenty best guys
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and his coaches, and that becomes kind of your culture stabilizer.
Otherwise you end up starting all over, and it's really
really difficult. And I don't know of anybody who's started
over who's been able to build it in a new
consistent winner in two or three years. It's just very difficult. Now.
The guy before you, you know, left you a lot
of players. It used to be you could win right away.
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That's what happened with Urban Meyer at Ohio State. That's
to happen with Bob Stoops when he was at Oklahoma.
You know, previous coaching staffs at Oklahoma, they weren't great,
weren't great in terms of quarterback play coaching. Some of
the coaching stuff was just okay, but the players were
really good. You come in, you add a quarterback, and
you coach them up. Now you're great. Nowadays, when you
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change coaches, you lose your whole team. So, by my estimation,
the best way to be successful one of these programs
is to hire somebody who brings their whole staff and
you know, at least a quarter of their players. But
Indiana being right there among college football elite. Sorry, Jason
Stewart know you hate the expression, but I never had
that on my Bengo card.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Let's get through the Foxes and no every day. This
time in the Bonus Podcast to play for you a
previous version of a Fox Sports tradi or Fox Sports
One show. Here's Brady Quinn and LeVar Arrington talking about
the Penn State job.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
For Penn State, I mean, the question was like, if
not now, then when before the season because of all
the talent, They've got a returning quarterback, one of the
best defensive minds they got in the off season, right
like there again, an offensive coordinator that's viewed very well
in the college football community, and Andy Kolniki.
Speaker 6 (04:35):
I just.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
Pretty wild, man. It's pretty wild when you really think
back to how the season started and like where we're
at or not that deep into the season.
Speaker 6 (04:46):
That's the crazy part of it, right, The crazy part
of it is that we're not that deep into the
season and yet we know the season is over. Yes
it is, of uh. It is has to be the
biggest flop ever just because of the way you fell
into the Ucla game. I think the Ucla loss made
(05:10):
this put that put it in the category of biggest flop.
I mean, if we're just being honest, yeah, you moved
to an unranked team and your top ten team in
this day and age would like you said, with the investment,
there's no way around that.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Oh. I don't know if it's the biggest flop. I
just think this whole thing is ridiculous. It's like we
make this thing about James Franklin not winning games against
ranked teams. He went, they won two games in the
College Foball playoff last year. There's no more pressure in
those games. And you can say, well, the teams they played,
that's fine. And I'm not saying you're not allowed to
(05:50):
fire a guy, but you canceled the season barely maybe
halfway through, not even halfway through. What did you gain?
Let me tell you the reality of what you did.
You destroyed your program because even though they change rules
where guys can't necessarily leave right away, they're all gonna
fucking leave. And the bigger part is that I think
(06:14):
they people think, well, we get ahead of it, we
can raise money, and oh yeah, when we raise money,
we can go get the new coach. We're ahead of everybody.
To get the new coach, and I think most people
know where they're gonna go, where they're gonna turn right
when you have a head coach in Nebraska who's wanted,
been a big time college football coach, who's done a
nice job so far in Nebraska. He went to Penn State,
(06:36):
he's best close friends with the athletic director. But like,
nothing changes between now and then, except for it gives
Nebraska more and more time to figure out, Hey, what
can we do to keep him if we want to
keep him? It is crazy. They were down a point,
Aler goes down and gets hurt, it's fourth and one.
(06:58):
They still if he doesn't get hurt, and they get
it on fourth to one, they go down, kick a field,
go beat Northwestern. And yeah, the loss to UCLA is embarrassing.
It's not the end of the freaking world. I just
I think so many of these donors boosters are so
overly leveraged and invested in the success of their college
(07:21):
football program that they lose their minds, and the athletic
directors are only doing this to keep their jobs even
they know it's not the right decision. Here's Dan Byer.
He said this about Dak Prescott surpassing Troy Aikman second
place all the time the Cowboys passing passing yardings list.
Speaker 7 (07:39):
I think Tony Romo has looked at more fondly than
Dak Prescott. Do you think so right now? I think
so by people in or I think in general. I
think that Dak's salary doesn't help him in this case.
And it's all because I think Dak's been very, very good.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (07:55):
And if you go back to the time when Tony
Romo was replaced by Dak, Yeah, and it was so
emotional and Tony broke down and he read a statement
because Dallas decided to go with Dak instead of handing
the job back over to Tony Romo when Romo wasn't
injured anymore. To think at that point that Dak Prescott
would have a better career than Tony Romo maybe not blasphemy,
(08:19):
but it definitely wasn't something that you would think would happen.
And it did. And Dak's goot many more years to go.
And because of the success of the Cowboys, or maybe
lacked thereof, or the failures that they've had, we look differently.
I just think that Dak is under such an extreme microscope.
And I'm not saying that all of his moments have
been great, but you can't argue the numbers. You can't
(08:42):
argue what he is at least done for the team
this year when they seem to be shorthanded. And I
just kind of want to give the guy props, even
after a loss today, because I when I saw the
stat pop up that he passed Troy Aikman for second
all time, it was just like, huh, good on you, Dak.
Speaker 8 (09:05):
Hmm.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
I just again, I know they lost yesterday to Carolina.
I do think Dak is probably better than we regard him.
But if the argument for against Romo is what he
do in the postseason, there's not that much of an
argument for Dak. The great thing for Dak is he's
gonna have many more bites at the Apple. But Romo
is kind of the stuff of like folklore legend, and
I think that folklore legends made even bigger because he's
(09:28):
on TV. Here's Colin Cowhert talking about the Chiefs.
Speaker 9 (09:32):
They can take Hollywood Brown and Jude Juw Smith Schuster
and backup left tackles and okay running backs and get
into the thirties.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Xavier are worthy.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
With any other.
Speaker 9 (09:45):
Team, would he be this good. All they do is
make it work. Andy Reid is the great chef, He's
the Gordon Ramsey. Everything in the kitchen has a role.
Let's just keep tinkering. Let's keep figuring out a way
to make everything work. Put it into our ecosystem, and
let's make it flourish. By the way, this is what
Kansas City does every year when you get into these
(10:07):
big games. They play differently. No penalties, no turnovers, one
punt whine all you want about the penalties. Well coached teams,
Belichick and.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Brady that this for years.
Speaker 9 (10:21):
They don't turn it over, and they don't get penalized,
and they don't pump much. The NFL seasons are incredibly long.
You can't overreact to zero to two or three and
three again. Get people healthy, make everybody count in the kitchen.
Three weeks ago, when they beat Baltimore, everybody said, well,
Ravens are beat up. Yeah, right now, so is Tampa,
(10:45):
so is San Francisco. A lot of teams in the
NFL are beat up. Doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
We talked about the Chiefs last week and we approved
right that the offense is starting to figure it out,
the defense is better. I also think think that you know,
people continue to let Detroit dink and dunk and not
throw the ball deep downfield with your quarterback. I don't
think they're as explosive offensively as they were in previous years.
And the reason is not just the coordinator, but the
(11:15):
coordinator previously would take chances with trick plays, and I
think that did a great job of covering up the
fact that Jared Goff doesn't always like to throw the
ball downfield. That's what the Fox says.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
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Speaker 2 (11:39):
Let's find out who what's annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 10 (11:52):
Doug. I don't know. I haven't heard Dan Bayer give
this detail on the update, but up until the time
that we're recording this podcast, I don't believe that the
NFL has apologized to the city of London and actually
the entire country of Europe. Remember, we have these stupid
games that started at six thirty Pacific time. To grow
(12:16):
the game of the NFL in Europe and all around
the world. If you were a unlucky schmuck who paid
to watch the Jets and Broncos yesterday, I think you
walked out of that stadium with the opposite effect. I'm
guessing people walked out of the stadium thinking, and I'll
stick to the other football, that other thing that we've
been doing over here for much longer than they have.
(12:39):
It was a disgusting game, horrible product. And I would
say that most of it has to do with head
coach Aaron Glent. Remember Aaron Glenn won the press conference.
That was the take of the day. The day after
his Jets press conference, he won the press conference. Look
at this confidence, Look at this Remember you said this,
Doug to any players that.
Speaker 11 (13:00):
Now, put your seat belts on and get ready for
the ride. Put your seat belts on and get ready
for the ride.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Listen.
Speaker 11 (13:05):
There are going to be some challenges, but what challenges
becomes opportunity gets opportunity. But here's what I do know.
We're the freaking New York Jets, so we're built for
this shit.
Speaker 10 (13:13):
I don't know what you're built for. And when you're
saying buckle up because this we're in for a wild ride.
Does it mean that the wild ride of you making
awful head coaching decisions like and not knowing simple things
like math. The end of the first half yesterday had
a broadcaster Kurt Warner say out well that he was speechless.
(13:34):
He had no idea what the Jets were doing with
their clock management at the end of the first half,
and Aaron Glenn's explanation leaves us even more confounded.
Speaker 11 (13:42):
So I knew we were getting the ball back, and
I think it was like third and seven to third
and eight, and at that point we didn't know we
got the first down or note, because I know one
ref was saying yes, no, it was no. So once
it got the fourth down, guys, I'm not about to
sit there and try to get a playoff and they
will get the ball back, and I think they had
a time out left and give them a chance to
kick a field goal. I don't think that's the smartest
thing to do. So let's just in the half, we
(14:04):
get the ball back and see what we can get.
Speaker 6 (14:05):
A chance to score.
Speaker 10 (14:06):
There's this thing that teams have been doing for many
years in college and in the pros. You throw a
hail Mary into the end zone. Now, if you were
guarding against the one percent chance it could be intercepted
and taken back the entire way. No, the time could
expire and you could throw a hail mary into the
end zone. That's what most teams do. So then on
(14:28):
the very last play of the game, he does some weird,
funky math in his press conference answer. He could have
tried a sixty one or sixty two yard field goal
to tie it. I know that's not the I guess
sixty two yards is a long way, but in this
day and age, it doesn't seem to be. He just
(14:49):
let Justin fields like work the final play of the
game and gave this explanation.
Speaker 11 (14:55):
Well, thirty five for us, Yeah, thirty five fist. I mean,
I know I got he kicked the sixty fifty eight
yard that was his career long, so man, we can
get to thirty five. We felt like we were really
good in that situation with to win and all that,
So I just thought that was tough.
Speaker 10 (15:10):
I don't even know what that means. But he also
was asked about Justin Fields justice.
Speaker 7 (15:17):
Knocking se no got need to be your quarterback next week?
Speaker 6 (15:21):
Or mean, come on, man, what kind of question is
that your games?
Speaker 11 (15:26):
There's a number of guys that you know. I mean
sometimes this league is like this and there are guys
that have bad games. That doesn't mean you just bench them.
Come on, you know better than that.
Speaker 10 (15:36):
So, Aaron Glen, you're annoying for not only kind of
ruining my time as I woke up at six point
thirty to watch that shit. You ruined the entire country
of Europe's time yesterday.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Well I don't know how to tell you this, but
Europe's not a country. But yeah, other than that, it's
it is really interesting. I was trying to get what
he was saying about the end of the game and
what he's telling people without telling people is he does
not trust his quarterback but apparently also doesn't trust his kicker.
None of that makes any sense. We're sorry, We're sorry.
(16:11):
Whose who else is on your list? Who else is
annoying you?
Speaker 10 (16:14):
So we talk about winning press conference and losing press conferences,
I think by all accounts, and it's running to zero
to a tag of Iola lost his press conference after
the game yesterday.
Speaker 12 (16:30):
I think it starts with the leadership in helping articulate
that for the guys and then what we're expecting out
of the guys, right, we're expecting this?
Speaker 7 (16:39):
Are we getting that?
Speaker 12 (16:40):
Are we not getting that? We have guys showing up
to player only meetings late, guys not showing up to
player only meeting Like, There's a lot that goes into that.
Do we have to make this mandatory? Do we not
have to make this mandatory? So so it's it's a
lot of it's a lot of things of that nature
that we got to get clean up. And it starts
(17:00):
with the little things like that.
Speaker 10 (17:03):
So I think people are confused. Neither of these choices
are great. Either he is self reporting that he's not
a good enough leader to get everyone to report to
us to player only meetings, or he's just basically telling
us how toxic the locker room is and that's a
bad representation of his head coach and his team. But
(17:26):
I have no idea why he would think that this
would be a He's been in the league a while now,
Why would he think that this would be a reasonable
thing to tell reporters.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
I don't know. I wish I could tell you. I
don't know. I mean, obviously it's that he's frustrated, But
like I don't know. It's the weirdest thing ever. And
you talk about the leadership and what they have to
do like that's you don't I don't get this one,
don't get it all.
Speaker 10 (17:54):
So we saw at the end of last game Brian
Branch caused an altercation. He decided to cold cock Juju
Smith Schuster after having refused a handshake with Pat Mahomes.
A lot of annoying stuff about this, but I will
say some of the reaction on Twitter afterwards that Pat
(18:14):
Mahomes and the Chiefs somehow deserved it because Mahomes was
talking shit to the guy all game, so he deserved it.
He was talking shit, which kind of goes to a
more macro issue with our society. I don't know if
you remember a keep to Leeb's brother, Keep to Leeve's brother,
I think you serve in prison time now because he
(18:36):
shot a coach at a rec football game and it
came out that the reason why he shot and murdered
a guy in front of kids and other families was
because he was talking shit. If talking shit is the
standard for violence, we are in trouble, right. We are
in trouble as a society. And on Twitter, if you
(19:00):
your take was that mahomes and or Juju Smith Schuster
had it coming because they were talking shit, you are
a loser. So that entire situation and the reaction to
it is annoying.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Oh that's really good that I completely agree with you.
The Twitter reaction is just so over the top ridiculous.
Who's the most annoying? I think Tua is the most
annoying though, just because he's this is like, he starts
talking about what the leadership should do and he's the
(19:38):
highest paid player on the team. Whose quarterback of the team?
Who do you think the leadership should be? To me?
As much as you're right, the twitters fear, Twitter's fear
is always annoying. Tua now a veteran league a quarterback
who's always said the right things to saying this as annoying.
Speaker 12 (19:56):
To a tag O.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 3 (20:01):
I do.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Because we can.
Speaker 10 (20:07):
Hey, Doug, We've been talking a lot on this podcast
over the years about the fact that millennials and gen
z have just changed the meaning of words. They changed
the meaning of the word literally to mean it's opposite,
stuff like that, And now NFL players are kind of
making up like I don't know what you call them?
(20:28):
What's what's the term for slang? They're like making up
slang and they're they're confusing me because I'm fifty three
years old and I can't keep up with this with
the actual meaning of the slang. But if you change
the slang on the fly, you're really fucking with me.
Remember h a'mon ra Saint Brown said this on a
podcast about how the reporters are with Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Bro I'll be on Twitter like I feel like they
be on his dick twenty four to seven. He can't
do shit right, Like, no matter what he does, good
or bad, is all on Twitter like they I saw
he can't breathe like there's one.
Speaker 10 (21:05):
So, uh, you and I talked about this. I always
thought if you're on someone's dick, you're like fucking them
and you're having a good time.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
The term now is glazing them.
Speaker 7 (21:15):
Glazing them.
Speaker 10 (21:16):
So the reporters being on his dick and and being critical, that's.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Yeah, I thought I was being the being on your
ass is when you're when when it's negative.
Speaker 10 (21:27):
So yesterday Jamar Chase was had a nice preview of
the Steelers matchup on Thursday night. They played the Steelers
Thursday night, and Jamar Chase offered some great analysis, but.
Speaker 8 (21:38):
His next game is always the most important game, just
because it's the divisional game also, but uh, just the
rankings that we got going on the standards where we
are right now, we know still's gon't try to come
in and raw dogg us and kill us, but we're
gonna be ready for that challenge and we're gonna be
waiting for it.
Speaker 10 (21:53):
So I always thought raw dogging was having an intercourse
without a condom.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Yeah, that's they move.
Speaker 10 (22:00):
That's changed too. What does it mean now?
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Well, raw dogging is doing anything as difficult, making it
as difficult as possible. Like I think we talked about
this in the pod where if you if you're on
a plane and you don't have your phone and you
don't fall asleep and you just stand there, it's called
raw dogging the plane plane ride. So I think in
this particular case it does mean raw dogging in the
(22:26):
worst possible sense. But again, raw dogging has has meant,
you know, trying making something unreasonably hard for no reason.
Is the is the new age.
Speaker 10 (22:38):
Term, and that doesn't make any sense. So the word
has migrated to something that I don't even think he
understands what it means. Okay, cool, so that's because we can't.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
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