October 13, 2025 • 49 mins
On a Monday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug talks about Brian Callahan getting fired by the Titans, and explains why there is no reason to fire James Franklin now if you are Penn State.
On this installment of Love AND Hate, Doug and the crew reveal what they loved most and hated most about the weekend.
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fired at what an amazing time of year. What an
amazing time of year. Lots of firings or retirings you
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might have heard from Dan Byer, like probably the least
discussed retirement firing. Whatever's Mike Schilt. I don't believe for
one second that he, by the way retired today. Sorry,
I mean listen. I want to get to Brian Callahan,
I want to get to James Franklin. But I mean listen.
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I reserve the right to be wrong. I reserve the
right to be wrong. If he wants to spend more
time with his family, baseball does not really allow that.
If he has something an illness or older like a
parent who's sick, you want to spend I can't really
argue with that, but dude, what fifty seven years old
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and he manages in San Diego and they by all accounts,
most people think they've underachieved in the playoffs the past
two years. I would take the a got to the
playoffs the past two years, but consider how much money they spent,
the swagger they played with, and the fact that they
were up two games to one of the Dodgers and
the Dodgers boat raced them. And then you know this
year they get beat by the Cubs, don't even get
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to face the Dodgers. I think there was that was
a that was the mutual parting of ways. And then
you have Brian Callahan who's fired by the Titans. That
one's a case of two things right, and it happens
all the time when we have these first round draft
pick quarterbacks. Now. I don't know if Callahan knows what
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he's doing. I do know that they weren't particularly competitive
for the most part this season. I think the crazy
part about it is, you know, you draft a rookie,
you're not gonna be great. But they did just beat
the Cardinals last week, but shut out by the Texans,
smoked by the Colts, beaten badly by the Rams. You know,
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Rams and Colts at home. I think we knew where
this one was going. And the general manager that hired
him no longer works for the team. So when you
don't have somebody to have your back, when you're going
through a really hard season and you got a rookie quarterback,
this is what happens. But I think it's fascinating. Here
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we are six games in an NFL season and we
have a coaching firing, and they're one in five and
it doesn't feel like it's going good. And that one
makes sense to me because the Titans could have a bump.
Do I think they're making the playoffs? I don't. But
they still have the Saints at home, They still have
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the Jags at home. They still have the Texans at home,
Chargers at home, Seahawks at home, Chiefs at home. They
got to go to the Niners, not for a while,
but the Niners are all banged up, Browns aren't particularly good.
There's some potential wins on that schedule. The juxtaposition of
the the juxtaposition of the NFL game and the college
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game could not be more stark. In contrast, we had
more coaching firings over the weekend, most notably James Franklin
and why I understand Brian Brian Callahan and this has happened, right.
You draft a rookie quarterback and the expectations are that
you're all of a sudden gonna achieve something awesome, and
it rarely happens. In year one, they brew them, they
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bring in a new coach in year two, and away,
how do they go. I don't know if that's what
happens with the Bears, but that's what happened with the Bears.
That's what happens with a lot of places. James Franklin
gets fired after they lose to Northwestern by a point, this,
of course, when they were twenty point plus favorite against Northwestern,
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following up being a twenty six point favorite on the
road at UCLA, following up a tough close loss to
Oregon at home. I think the Callahan firing, while nothing
to celebrate, is reasonable. I think that James Franklin firing,
especially at this point in the season, is utterly and
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completely and terribly ridiculous. But that's where we are with
college sports. This is why I say college sports it's
not professional sports. It's amateur hour for professional sports, amateur
hour for professional sports. Because what did Penn State actually
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do by firing their head coach? What do you do?
They waved the white flag on the season and said
this thing's over now. They did just pass a new
rule where in the with the NCAA where you can't
go into the portal like you used to be, like
when I got the job a year and a half ago,
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or not even a year and a half ago. Players
automatically get the first thirty days in the portal, whether
the portals open or not open, right, And that's happened
with all these other schools. They just changed the rule
where now it's fifteen days of free open portaling, but
only after the new coach is hired. Here's the way
it really works in college athletics. They can make whatever
rules they want. If a kid wants to go in
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the portal now, he'll go into the portal now. And
if the NCAA holds it up, they're like, you can't
pass a rule, you know mid season when other players
have been able to go into the portal after their
coach is fired. That won't stand up in court. Everybody
knows it. The point is, you've just led a match
to your program in the middle of the season. Lit
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in the match, and it may not feel good with
Drew Aller getting hurt and having backups and being a
preseason top ten team. Heck, you were top five of
the country going back two weeks ago. It doesn't feel good.
But have you seen what's happened to my own water?
The only thing that people are pumped up about with
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Okloba State football is a bunch of kids went shirtless
and went to one section and they tried to have
set some fake world record for most shirtless people in
a section. That's it. That's what the football games have become.
Next weekend's homecoming. Who's gonna go to that?
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Who's gonna go to it?
Speaker 1 (07:05):
When three of your top players have put themselves in
the portal. The players all know they won't be there
next year. The coaches all know they won't be there
next year. Like for a week, it's kind of fun, right.
If you fire a guy before the last week of
the season, the interim coach can, Hey, let's run some
trick plays. Let's have some fun. Let's just go out
there and see what we got. Let's let our hang,
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if you will. Brian Callahan's one and five, and it's
very unlikely, very unlikely that that season will flip. But
there is still the idea of you can flip it.
Maybe get in the playoffs. Probably not. Maybe makes a
little bit more sense because he got a different gentlemenature.
But the players can't leave. All the players are gone
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at Penn State, all the players are gone at Oregon State,
all the players are gone at Oklahoma State, all the
players are gone at UCLA, even though they're winning. You
have wit on the student athlete, And don't tell me
that the student athlete experience is important to you when
you fire their head coach six games in the season, right,
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they still got to go to Iowa, still got to
go Ohio State. Indiana comes in, who looks like world
beaters that rank third in the country, go to Michigan
State and Nebraska at home. I asked a crazy hard schedule.
What was the win in firing James Franklin today?
Speaker 3 (08:30):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (08:32):
You didn't get ahead of anybody trying to hire Matt ruhle. Right,
all you did was you you showed your hand to Nebraska,
which they might have thought anyway, but you showed your
hand in Nebraska where down Nebraska has until probably December
to figure out how we can keep our coach. If
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we want to keep our coach. He's at Penn State.
Alum is the Ada Penn State. It's one of his
closest friends. So the juxtaposition of two different firings, one
in the pros Brian Callahan kind of makes sense. You know,
he was along for the ride with the Bengals when
they went to the Super Bowl. He did a good
job there. But he has him been a head coach
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with James Franklin. And I know everybody likes to point
out that James Franklin doesn't beat ranked teams, But James
Franklin's Penn State Nadaney Lions. They won two games in
the playoffs last year, did they not? Those are big games.
Who cares about the number of the rankings next to you?
So you're allowed to pay a guy forty nine million dollars,
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not coach. You're allowed to fire a guy whenever you want,
as long as you pay him that money. And you
treat him with dignity. But you've quit on an entire
football program. You've lit a match, and you've done so
six games into a season. Yes, they fire coaches in
the NFL not as often, and the players can't leave,
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and they they won't leave in the offseason unless they're
not under contract. It's a completely different deal. Please stop
telling me this is professional sports when it's amateur hour
in the decision making, because ask yourself, honestly, if aler
would have thrown the ball on third down and gotten
the first down when he broke his ankle, or he
would have scrambled for it and got it, or they
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would have found a way on fourth down had he
not gotten hurt, and they kick a field goal and
win the game, and they're four and two. You don't
fire him, So you fire him over one loss. Again,
you can fire him if you want. It's fine. He
gets forty nine million dollars. Everybody has to move. You
started a program. Why in the middle of the season.
How does that make sense. Nobody's explained that to me,
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and nobody can explain it to me because everybody knows
it doesn't make any sense.
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Next two nights it's in Milhawaukee Dodgers Brewers at American
Family Field. But before we get to that, we get
to love and hate from the weekend.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
What did you love?
Speaker 4 (11:58):
God?
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I love you?
Speaker 3 (12:00):
What did you hate?
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Meet these player hays?
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Love Love, love, hate, hate, hate? What'd you love from
the weekend? What'd you hate from the weekend? Our resident
lah blah blah is Dan Byer. Would you love?
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Dan?
Speaker 5 (12:18):
What a Saturday? It was started with the Buckeyes getting
a solid win at Illinois. Now there are many a
Buckeye fans who are not happy with the run game,
maybe not the creativity on offense. Boring is fine with
me if you're able to do what they were doing.
They did force some turnovers. The running game isn't what
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it was last year, but still a good way to
start the day, Doug. We also were supposed to have
family over, some cousins of my wife coming over, and
they did, but they were late, which allowed me to
check in on some of that Indiana Oregon matchup, which
was a great college football game in a great atmosphere.
Still weird that it's a Big Ten football but it
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was a great contest there. And then went into the
NLDS game five, had to have it on mute because
the family was over, but Brewers beat the Cubs five
to one. So Saturday was good all around. Loved it.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
Hey, Dan, I know that maybe you have this for
your hate and if you do, I'm sorry for Samona Dup.
I was hoping you were going to mention a certain influencer.
Now you don't have to mention by name, but a
certain influencer who had the tweet Ohio State got lucky
that they don't have Indiana on their schedule this year. Yes,
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not true, your ire How.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
Come people will say anything, they truly will, And I
don't think that they watch a lot of college football.
I think that maybe they watch a game and well
of them immediately draw an opinion from it. We talked
last week and how no one is talking about Ohio
State at this point. Maybe they're still just thinking there.
It also ran because they just got past Texas, and
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Texas hasn't been great. I don't even even know if
they were great against Oklahoma, but they they won on Saturday.
But it's just funny on how teams want to fast
track other teams and Ohio State's lucky they don't face Indiana. Okay,
that's that's fun. Not saying it would be a blowout
in either way. But I just I find that that
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sort of commentary comical.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Dan.
Speaker 7 (14:25):
Yes, last year, the Hoosiers, who were undefeated at the time,
had to make a trip to Columbus. Don't you think
it's fair that the buck Guyes would have to make
a return trip to.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
Yeah, Bloomington. Bloomington, absolutely, And it was a good game
up until a couple of special teams cats by the
Hoosiers and then it kind of got out of hand.
But again, year to year, it's different in college football.
So two completely different teams from a year ago, but
just the the readiness, Like Ohio State hasn't done anything.
I think they've actually done quite a bit so far
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this year.
Speaker 7 (14:55):
But yeah, no one's talking about the buck Eyes and
they are just because they're just cruising at number one.
They're just like, yeah, Pence, well Penn in the Buckeyes. Yeah,
and then we'll talk about everybody else. If they lose,
everybody else start talking. Sure, sure, but they're cruising right now.
But that's what I love. Saturday.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
It was a good day, Samon.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Would you love?
Speaker 7 (15:15):
Oh boy? Well, I hate to be a sore winner here,
but I did love. Iowa's shutout went over Wisconsin thirty
seven to nothing in the Heartland Trophy Game Saturday night
in Camp Randall there in Madison, Wisconsin. Listen, Wisconsin is
a mess. They're a mess right now, especially on offense.
I know they've had some quarterback issues, but they just
all year. Last year they were hell bent on getting
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revenge on Iowa for pasting the Badgers forty two to ten.
This year they get shut out. I know how painful
it is to get shut out. Iowa was shut out
three times in twenty twenty three and the final year
of a very very inept offense under Brian Farence.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Have you seen worst quarterback play in the history of
your life than what you saw from Wisconsin on And
I'm asking an expert because Iowa a lot. Have you've
seen worst quarterback play?
Speaker 7 (16:03):
I think from twenty twenty one to twenty twenty three
there might have been something comparable from Iowa if you're
comparing to to Wisconsin, But that was like they start
out with the guy that got out of the transfer portal.
I think they're on like their second or third guy. Yes, yes,
it's been rough for them, but correct they can't even
run the ball. I mean, their entire offense is just
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a disaster. So Iowa pretty good defense offense figuring it
out thirty seven to nothing? Are you kidding me? I'm
hoisting right now, Dan got me this little Heartland Trophy
bowl Christmas ornament that's like a replica of the trophy,
and I'm hoisting it up right now in studio. Yes,
both hands, and yet it both hands is very heavy.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
ESPN does their total quarterback rink rating, which is zero
to one hundred Hunter Simmons of Wisconsin. Would you guys
like to take a guess at what his rating was?
It's zero zero two. You have five dougs in at five,
Sam Jason.
Speaker 7 (16:56):
I'm gonna say eleven eleven Jason, uh seven and a half? Okay,
zero point eight? Zero zero? How is that possible?
Speaker 1 (17:08):
That is that bad?
Speaker 5 (17:10):
Eight or twenty one yards picked off twice? And I
actually think it looked worse. I saw some highlights, so yes,
low lights. Oh it was.
Speaker 7 (17:22):
It was bad And I almost feel kind of bad though,
like enjoying this win because of how low Wisconsin is
as a program right now, but a shutout.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Think about Iowa. Iowa get got Wisconsin when they stink,
and now Penn State after they fired James Franklin and
Drew Allers.
Speaker 7 (17:39):
And yeah, backup quarterback and interim coach, so they better
not lose that game That looked really bad for Iowa.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
So I'll tell you what I love. I'm going to
violate the core tenons of a philosophy I have, which is,
don't no one cares about your vacations, about your adult
activities and your fantasy team and your bracket, right, and
you're in state bracket. But I did, I mean, this
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is there's a lot of luck. This was my fantasy team,
Dan Byer from the Weekend. Ready, let's hurt Lad McConkey,
uh Smith and Jigba, Jonathan Taylor, Cam Scattaboo, Uh Tucker Craft, touchdown,
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Derrick Henry, Cameron Dicker and and the Rams defense.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
Oh yes, outside of Henry, Like that's Henry still had
thirteen points, well still score a touchdown.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
But a real small league team.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
On the league. There are ten teams. Ten teams, sure,
four and one. But I mean that was just an
obscene week. Obscene week anyway.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
That's actually that's it's pretty pretty good squad, especially with
the emergence of Scataboo and getting his hat trick.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
But what happens with me, there's only two things that
happened with me in a fantasy league, well three one
I won the league and these guys I was with
I'd grown up playing football with my boy Joe Prato,
and they got all mad because I didn't attend the draft.
The next year, I was like, hey, I'm in Wisconsin.
I can't attend the draft. They're like, dude, you just
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like win the league and think you're all cool. It's like,
I don't live there anymore anyway. But what happens usually
is I lose interest, right, I lose a couple of games,
I lose interest. Or what's most what's happened recent years
when I've done pretty well, is I lose interest and
then I have a couple guys get hurt right before
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the playoffs, like in first or second place, and then
my running back gets hurt right for the playoffs, and
then I really lose interests. I'm like, I don't I
haven't followed it enough this year. I'm locked in because
I want them. I didn't give it this one. I
haven't won yet. I want the money. I'm going to
give it back and put it in for the party,
but I want the money.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
Well, I think with that, you know that lineup in
lad mccackey, by the way, at the start of the
year was not good for you, but now he has emerged, correct, Jase, do.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
You know among the list of things that you just mentioned,
no one wants to know about your fantasy team, your
NCAA tournament team and Dan, I'll probably say, nobody wants
to hear about your golf round. You know, how you
hit the shot on seventeen. Another one of those things
is people don't want to hear about your bad beats
and poker. When you play a lot of tournament poker,
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as I have in my lifetime, you don't want to
hear the other guy complain about bad beats. We all
experience with them. But that gets me around to my love.
So it was birthday weekend for me and I told Christina,
my super hot girlfriend, I said, the one thing I
want for a birthday my birthday is for me and
Jacob to play in a card tournament this weekend. So
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she paid for the entry for both me and him
to get into a tournament at the gardens in Orange
County and free rolled it. Eight hours later, my son
is cashing in second place twenty three hundred dollars. Wow,
zero money into twenty three hundred dollars and you'd be like,
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you know, a great birthday president would be for me
to win it. But no, how about the birthday present
being as your your poker protege winning money at a
poker tournament and he had, he couldn't get the smile
off his face. So prad dad, proud moment, and congratulations
to Jacob for doing that.
Speaker 7 (21:49):
Is he going to take you on vacation.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
No, he's got a wedding coming up, so that's going
to offset the money that I pay. It's gonna be great.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
It's Jacob also cast in the Survivor baseball pool that
we're in, so it's a swimming and Cats twenty twenty
five Year of the Jacob, the Year of the Jacob.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Let's get to what we hated from the weekend start
with the resident hater, Jase two.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
So like the kind of the clicheted low hanging fruit
take with Jim Harbor nowadays, is that he himself is
done away with the term chargering, that we no longer
give away leads late, we no longer let the unmistakable happen.
That he has taken control of this team and we're
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moving into a different era where chargering is just going
to go by the wayside and yesterday, they absolutely charged.
Now your question is, wait a minute. I looked at
the box score and didn't watch the game they won.
How could they have charged you didn't watch the game.
They kicked the Dolphins ass for three plus quarters. I
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sent you guys a text message yesterday. At the twelve
minute part of the game, ESPN had said that they're
a ninety four percent chance of winning after they settled
for yet another field goal. Cameron Dicker had four field
goals early on in the fourth quarter because they couldn't
cash in on kicking the Dolphins ass the entire game. Somehow,
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ten minutes later, the Dolphins have taken the lead. That's
what chargering is. They took the lead and a game
they were getting dominated by, and they almost won a
game if it wasn't for Herbert getting out of a
sack to make a miracle throw to Lad McConkie. So
don't give me the Chargers no longer charger bull crap.
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That was a chargering that they got lucky against an
awful team. I hated that.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
The Chargers were in the process of chargering and the
Dolphins are like, no, we'll charger over you, and will charger.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
I mean Look, they get the Colts at home obviously
Cults are good, and then Vikings at home as well,
and then the Titans. So if there's a sawce spot
for a banged deb team. But we'll see how they
play against the Colts, so they raise their level. I
genuinely agree with you. They did charger the difference, So
is that somehow they pulled this one out, Dan Doug.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
I'm actually piggybacking off of your lead of the show today.
I hated that Penn State fired James Franklin. James Franklin
didn't have to stick around for twenty twenty six, But
to think that this team was in national championship winning
contention in late September, fifteen days prior to the firing,
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they were playing a competitive game against Oregon. Now they
have a completely off day against UCLA, and sure the
loss to the Northwestern is probably inexcusable, but to dismiss
him at this time, to me makes everything that I
agree with everything that you said. What a bad job
by the administration and the front office. And there are
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rumors that the shoe company and the shoe deal and
the apparel deal may have had something to do with it.
Even if that was the case, he still could have
waited to the end of the year. I don't know
what we are doing in college sports. I don't know
what we're doing in college football, But to fire James
Franklin at this point I thought was ridiculous. So I
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agree with you, Doug, completely, completely agree.
Speaker 7 (25:33):
I have a question.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
We have lost our way, Yes, go ahead.
Speaker 7 (25:36):
Question for Dan and for everybody. If Drew Aller had
not sustained a season ending injury, do you think it
would he still would have been fired James Franklin because
now it's like you don't have a quarterback, and so
you don't have a team. Now, no, yeah, it's completely team.
The only guy that could probably keep your team together
was James Franklin.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
So you never have a team. I don't know what
they're doing yet. Another month, a month and a half. Right,
you don't make the playoff, you turned down a bull bid,
you say we're not going. That's fine, Just get to
the end of November. Six more weeks, that's all it was.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Correct. Correct, it's a joke. What's happening in college athletics,
and it's like they're competitive, Like, oh, you think you
can fire you get ahead of us. Arkansas fire is
a guy, and then Oklahoma State fire is a guy,
and then said, like, what are we doing? What's the point.
It's almost like you have to be in a like
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we gotta be an a hole because we're losing instead
of and then and then they'll all put out some
like post on social media like thank you so much what.
Speaker 7 (26:49):
He had you in the playoff winning games last year.
That's the thing.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
They won two of them.
Speaker 7 (26:55):
I know they won two of them.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
And honestly, honest to God, I'm with Dan. I swear
to god, you can fire coach. That's fine. What are
we doing? Here's the hypocrisy to it. I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever,
I don't want to hear Oklahoma States different. I don't
want to hear Penn State's different. Stop it. You're a
bunch of freaking liars. Our place is different. We treat
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people with class, with dignity. It's about the student athlete experience. Okay,
So James Franklin recruit every one of those players. They're
gonna go through senior night and he's not gonna be
there to shake their hand. There has some interim coach.
Nobody's gonn everybody's gonna fired and be three quarters full.
Why why? What? And again what was gained by firing
a coach? Does he have any off the field issues?
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Has he committed any Nancy A violations?
Speaker 2 (27:42):
No?
Speaker 1 (27:43):
His crime, the only punishable crime they will tell you
in college sports is what losing everything else you can
come back from. Okay, So, Penn State a program that
was disgraced. Okay, Penn State, just see people are aware. Okay,
in State used to have a big sign in their
athletic department and it said success with honor, Success with honor,
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and that was all brought down, Okay because of the
scandal that led to the ouster of Joe Paterno, then
Joe Paterno's death right, and then Sandusky affair. So they
start to rebuild with with O'Brien he leaves, James Franklin
comes in and he takes it from a used to
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be unbelievably programmed to one that was pretty good and
in this really challenging time, gets it to the first
ever college fball playoff and they're pick top ten. They
get the quarterback to come back, and so you fire
a guy six games in the season. Where's the honor
in it. Don't tell me we are Penn State. We're
so much better.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
No, you're not.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
You're just like the schools in the South that you
act like you're morally superior to. You are. Okay, you're
a football factory. And it also opens up the door
to the Hey, the real reason you didn't look at
the Sandusky thing was because you're winning at the time.
And the only thing that matters in State College is
the only thing that matters in still Water is the
only that matters in Norman. Is the only matters that
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any schools is winning and losing again, and it has
no honor to it. I don't know. James Franklin not
a friend of mine. He's not an enemy of mine.
I know that you treated him like crap. And more importantly,
you treat all those players like crap. And the only
thing they did was lose three games. That's what they
did wrong. Shame on them. Yeah, I hated it too.
Speaker 8 (29:33):
Heat flew through you.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
I love that, and that is love and hate.
Speaker 7 (29:39):
We're not quite done yet. Also, he's getting forty nine
million dollars so he won't be in a van down
by the river, which is nice.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
No, no, but and listen, and which is absurd.
Speaker 7 (29:48):
Forty nine million dollars the second biggest buy it of all.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
No, it's not.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Do you know why coaches have those big buyouts.
Speaker 7 (29:54):
That's a lot of bundy.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
No, do you know why they have those big buys?
Speaker 7 (29:57):
Tell me why he's getting forty nine million.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
The idea is, we I have this ridiculous buyout. So
if I have a bad run where I lose a
couple of games in a row, you can't fire me.
You let me work it.
Speaker 7 (30:07):
That didn't work, they said.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Now now you're gonna pay fifty million dollars and all
you're gonna do is increase student fees and go back
to the same donors and ask them for more money
and more hope. And meanwhile you set the program back.
I mean, they're not obviously not gonna finish grade this
year next year. They want it, Well, it's gonna it
takes two years. It takes two years.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
So but hey, Nitney Lyon, Steve and Eerie is sure
happy today because he can go to the message board and.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Fire fire everybody because they lost the game. Dumb, that's
love and hate again. I want to make sure this
is very clear. Okay, And when we edit this thing
and we put it on social media, you are absolutely
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allowed to fire a coach, all of it. Like every
coach will tell you, you're just your coach till you
get fired. That's your expectations. At some point, everybody gets fired.
But I'm man I lost if you fired the coach,
like what, you just act like a You act like
an in insignificant, insecure teenager who can't handle the fact
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that you're not as good as you thought you should be.
He doesn't win big games, you're allowed to fire him.
He did win two collegeootball playoff games. There's no bigger
games than those.
Speaker 6 (31:32):
Sorry.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
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App stuck Ott Leave show here on Fox Sports Radio.
I don't know if we've had this discussion yet, but
maybe we should. If you listen to the podcast, you're like,
I don't know what song you're talking about. But if
you're not listening to the podcast, if you're listening to
the radio show, Uh, that song by what do you know?
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What do you know that song from? Or do you
not know that song?
Speaker 5 (32:08):
No, I know this song?
Speaker 4 (32:10):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (32:10):
Is it? Who is it?
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Rusted Root?
Speaker 7 (32:12):
Is that it is?
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (32:16):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
I don't know what movie it's from or it.
Speaker 7 (32:19):
Was in Sam, Well, it looks like it was maybe
a central theme song of Party of five because oh,
I never sardar google ai ad it again? No, it
says it's uh because it's the.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Ice Age YouTube.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Ice age is what ice Age is what I remember
that that song was.
Speaker 7 (32:38):
No, I'm on YouTube and and the song has a
backdrop of Party of five. So I'm guessing that was
like one of their their theme songs.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
I don't know. I don't know which one is more
to blame in this exchange. Uh, because we had this
exact conversation three weeks ago on the air, and Sam
was told in that moment it was ice Age, yet
he's still googling it. So uh, I never fell dug
in these situations. It's Groundhog Day, every day, Doug. But
Sam should know better.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
See, here's the thing, Jason, that I've mastered. I've mastered
the art of not assuming that people were listening three
weeks ago. Right, So you got to act like you're
surprised or you got to act like it's a new
question when it is clearly not. Tom Telesco will join
us after we get an update from Dan Byer. But
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Tommy's former team was the Chargers. He was the GM
for eleven years and one of those games where you
felt like they were the better team. They struggled to
stop Miami, but gave up a score late, marched down
the field and it did feel like they were charging again,
did it not? Jase Doo?
Speaker 6 (33:43):
Yeah, my argument is that they did charger it. But
I'm going to save it for my hate.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Okay, we'll get to love and hate top of the hour. Anyway,
Justin Herbert under pressure, looked like he was going to
get sacked, kind of Shed's a tackler. Throws it to
Laddi McConkie. Lad McConkie does the rest, gets him into
field goal range. They run the ball a couple of times.
Kick if you'll go win the game, and Jim and
Jim Harbaugh says this.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
That play would be burning my mind for so they
throw dirt over top of me. Justin Herbert back to
throw the defender wrapped around him. You know he's able
to just mighty man it and shake it off and
hit Ladd Maconkey. Lad does his stop fly by and
starts starts getting that necessary yardage, and here comes Zion
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Johnson flying ahead of Ladd. I mean, just the type
of type of effort, the type of you know, the
want to you know, the the great desire to win.
He gets that block shielded and you know there's another
twenty another twenty yards. Yeah, I'm gonna remember that play
till they throw dirt over top of me. That's how
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great I feel about feel about that.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Just Herbert special, special player. And after a two game
losing streak, they survived from charging. We'll hear more on
that when Jason Stewart extracts his pound of flesh in
Love and Hate top of the hour. It's the Doug
Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. He joins us
every week, and uh, there's there's no better kind of
voice of reason than the guy for the last twelve
(35:12):
years been the jo manager of the Chargers and the Raiders.
He's time Telesco. Uh, he's spent his entire professional life
in the Nation Football League, and he joins us. Let's
let's start with the news of the day. Brian Callahan
fired as head coach of the Tennessee Titans. What's your
immediate reaction.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Yeah, I mean I'm not surprised. I mean I was.
Speaker 6 (35:33):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
I watched the game yesterday with the Raiders, you know,
because I've got rooting interest in the Raiders.
Speaker 8 (35:38):
So I watched that game from beginning to end, and
I remarked to my wife during the game that, you know,
it was a tough watch.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
It was just it was an uncompetitive game. And I
just told her, I'm like, like, this is hard for
us to watch it.
Speaker 8 (35:51):
Can you imagine if you're a Titan fan. And then
when I saw the close after the game by Jeffrey
Simmons that you know that we had a poor week.
You practice report Thursday practice they're running was kind of
on the wall at that point, which is it's disappointing
because if you watch the game yesterday, you know, it's
hard to know, or actually it's not hard to know,
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as I watched yesterday, is there enough talent out there
for them right now?
Speaker 2 (36:16):
And there just isn't. If you look on offense with
they have around campboard right now, it's just not where
it needs to be yet. And Calvin really got hurt
in the second quarter. They had a lot of receivers
out there that it almost looked like a preseason game.
Speaker 8 (36:29):
So offensive line hasn't played well that that was supposed
to be a strength of theirs, and so there just isn't.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
A lot around them right now. So that's that's the
hard part.
Speaker 8 (36:39):
When you make these moves and you let the head
coach go at a GM, you got to look at
yourself too.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
I hey, is there enough resources right now for us
to win? I look out there right now, I don't
see it, but you could see there running on the
wall after the game yesterday. You could kind of feel
it coming. Unfortunately, Yeah you could.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Okay, so you know they they hired a new GM,
who then hired Callahan. So now I mean again, as
long as they don't change gms, that GM is going
to make the next higher. What's the process really like?
Right Like, there's all kinds of assumptions on what it's like.
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You've been part of several of these coaching searches with
the Chargers. When you were with the Raiders, that was
already kind of done. What's this process like when it
happens mid season?
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Well, and this isn't even midseason. This is so early.
The interesting thing with the Titans is, you know Ran
Carfin or was their GM last year, he's one who
hired Brian Callahan. But with the Titans did which I
really haven't seen this before. When Ran with the GM,
they promoted the assistant GM to president, so basically above
Ran and then that president decided to fire Ran Carfin
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and hire his own GM. So again that's not typical
that you see in the.
Speaker 8 (37:56):
NFL, but I can definitely see what this new regime
with the new president and the new GM. You know,
they probably want their own head coach. So there's not
much you can do now other than you're just researching
candidates and you've got a long time to do it.
You're gonna have to be careful because most of the
candidates are with other teams, whether as assistant coaches or
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head coaches or at the college level, So a lot
of your work is going to be making some phone
calls talking with people, but obviously not talking direct to
any any potential coaches.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
But the number one thing is you have to put
together what do we want in this head coach.
Speaker 8 (38:31):
There's a lot of different ways to go and kind
of put down a description of Hey, these are the
non negotiables who want this head coach, these.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Are the things we would like, and then try.
Speaker 8 (38:40):
And fit the candidates to that.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
But you've got to cancel.
Speaker 8 (38:43):
Why it's not as possible. There's plenty of time to
do their homework on this, and they'll start interviewing right
after the season.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
But this is just they have a long runway to
do this.
Speaker 8 (38:53):
But the second part of this is the talent on
the team just has to be upgraded. They got to
have a plan in place to help this quarterback on
offense and get more talent on defense.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Steut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, that's the
voice of Tom Telesco. He joins his Tom, I'm sure
you've heard what Tuus said in the press conference where
he said, you know, we've guys showing up late for
players only meetings, calling out some of his teammates, and
he's talked about the leadership. Well, again, how does that
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land on you? I mean, I know how it lands
on me when you hear it. How does it land.
Speaker 8 (39:29):
I would rather that player come to me and talk
about it and keep it in house before rather than
put it out publicly, and.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
I think, just to give some context here, and obviously
I'm not in their building, I'm assuming he wasn't.
Speaker 8 (39:41):
Talking about like a big, wide ranging all player team meeting.
I think he was probably more talking about the position
meetings that happened amongst players during off time, because, as
you know, as a coach, you can't spend twenty.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Four to seven with your players. You have other duties
to do, you have video to watch, you have coaching
meetings to attend. So a lot of times a position
group they may get together post practice just players. Could
be early in the morning, as it could be on
a Tuesday's day off, so they meet informally.
Speaker 8 (40:10):
And if this is not happening at the way it
should be, your players are blowing them off. I would
rather that player come to see me or the head
coach and then we'll handle it and we'll go through that,
or the players hands and handle it with the other players.
But I just think when you take it public, you're
taking a problem and just throwing gasoline on it. And
now it's even a bigger problem.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
So it's something they'ren have to.
Speaker 8 (40:32):
Handle now in house. But you would have rather handle
it between the head coach at GM and the quarterback
right public with this.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
I agree, And it's interesting, right, like he's a guy
who has always faulted on the side of doing all
these little things kind of extra the right way, almost
trying to believe be politically correct. Why would he why
would he do that? Well, I know neither of us know.
Just hypothesize for a second, and Tom, why do you
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think to a tongue of Ailoa whose coaches under pressure
team is not playing well, why do you think he
would say that?
Speaker 2 (41:11):
This would be my hypothesis looking at it, that this
has been going on for a really long time. He's frustrated.
Speaker 8 (41:17):
And anytime as a player or as a coach, when
you come off the field after a tough loss and
you're doing a press conference within ten minutes of the
game ending, sometimes you say some things that you normally
wouldn't say. And to me, I think it probably went
down that route. I just don't think he went in
that press conference thinking I'm going to talk about this publicly,
I'm going to try and get this thing moving this way.
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I just don't think he would handle like that.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
I just think it was a moment of weakness where
he said it, it got out and now they're gonna
have to deal with it.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
Do you think he can? Can you be a quarterback
if like the guys don't trust him.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Well, first of all, I actually in play watching the
offense is not the problem. They're moving the ball pretty well,
they're scoring points.
Speaker 8 (42:04):
The problem has been on defense. They haven't been to
stop anybody. So he's been doing his part. Hasn't been
as good as it was a couple of years ago. No,
when they're putting up eye popping numbers, but they they're
converting at a high number and a third down and
they're scoring points on offense. So right now, defensively they
have to find a way to get stops and that's
not happening now. The quarterback is the leader of the
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football team. You're the face the franchise, so there are.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Some things you have to take on publicly. But no,
he's doing his part as far as his play is concerned.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Stet Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of Tom te LESCo. He's former general manager of
both the La Chargers and the Las Vegas Raiders. He
joins us every week here in the program. Okay, Dylan
Gabriel really struggles, right. I mean, you're playing Pittsburgh on
the road, and Pittsburgh's defense hasn't been good, but it
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was good. Sacked in six times yesterday, and there seem
to be some give up in the Browns. What's that
coaching staff, what's that front office thinking in terms of
what they're doing with their quarterback.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Yeah, they're just in a tough spot right now.
Speaker 8 (43:10):
That was a very challenging matchup for Dylan Gabriel. I
know the Steelers defense hadn't played the way we expected
them to play earlier in the year, but they have
a ton of talent. It's starting to come together. The
Pittsburgh defense played very well yesterday. And the Browns right now,
you know, they're not to the point where they're the
Titans as far as talent wise, but they just don't
have enough around that quarterback position.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Yet.
Speaker 8 (43:32):
It didn't matter if it was Joe Flacco playing quarterback
or Dylan Gabriel. There just isn't enough talent around.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
The team on a quarterback, on the offensive line, and
in some of the skill positions. They're just very young.
They had an awesome draft this year, a big time draft.
Speaker 8 (43:45):
These guys are going to be cornerstone players for them,
but it's hard for them all as rookies.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
To play like veterans this early. So Dylan's in a
tough spot. Now. They threw the ball a lot in
the game. Now they were down, so that doesn't contributed
to it. But in reality, the Browns are still they're
still rebuilding, you know, losing all the.
Speaker 8 (44:04):
Draft picks when they had to make the quarterback trade
and now starting to kind of get back a little
bit more cap space, a little bit more assets in
the draft. They have a lot of picks next year,
so they're still building. And right now it puts Hill
in Gael Gabriel in a tough spot just because he doesn't.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Have a ton around him to move the football. But
it's something they're going to have to just figure out
a way for the rest of the season.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Drake May Again, I'm not going to tell you I've
watched the game. I did see a bunch of the highlights,
the numbers three touchdowns and interceptions two sixty one. Now
he's paying the Saints, who are particularly good. But this
is on the back of beating Buffalo in Buffalo. What
what's the GM's I view of Drake May as a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Yeah, he's really starting to take off. It's interesting in
the draft, he was a bit of a polarizing.
Speaker 8 (44:52):
Player among scouts and coaches. There are some scouts and
coaches that loved them, and there are some scouts and coaches.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
That didn't think he could play. And I thought he'd
be a backup quarterback.
Speaker 8 (44:59):
In the end, So I think you have to look
at all the tools that he has. I got a
chance to see him in the Holiday Bowl when he
was a sophomore. They actually UNC played against Oregon and
the Holly Bowl in San.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Diego, and Drake May put out. He had a great game.
He had a ton of NFL throws. Then he came
back for his junior year, and you know that people
are making some excuses for me. He didn't have as
good a year, wasn't as accurate, didn't have the same
type of team around him, didn't have the same type
of NFL talent he had the year before. But you
can see the size, the athletic ability, the.
Speaker 8 (45:31):
Arm strength, the intangibles, the makeup and the preparation skills.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
The accuracy part and decision making had to keep coming
along and it has as you get into year two,
he just looks so comfortable in the pocket. He's reading
the field really well. And really, if you look at
the Patriots, they don't have a ton of talent yet
they're still building like some of these other teams that
has talked about, they're.
Speaker 8 (45:53):
Still adding talent.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
But right now he's playing above where he probably should
be at this point of his And then obviously the
head coach has really.
Speaker 8 (46:02):
Put a culture in there that that works right now
and defense is playing well. But it's been really fun
to watch Drake May really take big steps and big
strides in two years.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
Stuck gotlig show here on Fox Sports Radio. Tom Telesco
is our guest, what do you make of the research
in Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 8 (46:21):
You know, the focus is always on Mahomes, which is understandable,
and the offensive struggle a little bit earlier in the year,
and you just know with Andy Reid like they're going
to get it figured out, and it looks like they have.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
But to me, the biggest thing is the defense. The
defense has played extremely well. The defense is what it
has been really.
Speaker 8 (46:38):
The strongest part of this team the last couple of years,
and it seems like people don't talk about it, but
you know, they get against the Lions, which is, you know,
wheen of the highest scoring teams in the NFL, an
excellent team. Both they have both speed and physicality.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
About the Casey defense did a tremendous job.
Speaker 8 (46:54):
They went on third down, they went on fourth down,
they went toe to toe with the Lions. So I'm
not surprised that the Chiefs, the coaching staff Andy Reeve
de Spagnolo, didn't.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
Start off the way they had anticipated.
Speaker 8 (47:07):
And he make some adjustments, you start fixing some things,
and you know, we're kind of seeing now this Chiefs
team looks pretty similar to the way the team looked
last year when I finished the year.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
So we'll see if they can keep it up. But
I thought the defense just played really, really well yesterday.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
We haven't talked since Thursday Night Football, but in the
surprising results of the year, the Giants thoroughly beating the
Philadelphia Eagles. Is that more about the Giants or about
the Eagles?
Speaker 2 (47:35):
I mean, it's probably got to be both.
Speaker 8 (47:37):
I mean, you look at how the Giants played, just
the mentality and the enthusiasm that Jackson Dart brings that
Cam Scattibow brings to the team now.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
That Giants still have their issues on the offensive line,
they still have some issues on offense. I think that
Giants defense is very strong, and the Eagles are just
going through a tough point right now.
Speaker 8 (47:57):
They're still trying to find their identity, which typically has
been to lean on the run game and then you
know a lot of RPOs. You know, throw it when
we have to and kind of get back to what
they are.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
They're still going through that transition to having a new coordinator,
so there's there have to be some patients there. But
I think we even talked about this a couple of
weeks ago. This is where the head coach who has
an offensive background is where you need to.
Speaker 8 (48:20):
Step in and get things settled down on offense, getting
back to what their identity is, which is the offensive
line running the football and then like letting Hurts, you know,
move around a little bit, move the pocket. And they
have a lot of weapons on offense between the tight
ends and receivers, but just being able to use it correctly.
But I was impressed with the Giants with how they played.
I think Giants defense is outstanding.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
I think that's a big part of it too. But
I still think in the end, the Eagles are going
to figure it out. It's just like the Chiefs did.
It's just taking them a little bit extra time.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
Temmy of the Best Man should be a fun night
with a doubleheader. You got to just about everything we
wanted to get to and we just appreciate it. Sincerely,
thanks so much for being our guests.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
Awesome Thanks for having on care Docs
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great day. The Doug Gottlieb Show broadcast, same bad time,
same bat channel, every single stinking day. Sorry, and we're
fired at what an amazing time of year. What an
amazing time of year. Lots of firings or retirings you
(00:45):
might have heard from Dan Byer, like probably the least
discussed retirement firing. Whatever's Mike Schilt. I don't believe for
one second that he, by the way retired today. Sorry,
I mean listen. I want to get to Brian Callahan,
I want to get to James Franklin. But I mean listen.
(01:09):
I reserve the right to be wrong. I reserve the
right to be wrong. If he wants to spend more
time with his family, baseball does not really allow that.
If he has something an illness or older like a
parent who's sick, you want to spend I can't really
argue with that, but dude, what fifty seven years old
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and he manages in San Diego and they by all accounts,
most people think they've underachieved in the playoffs the past
two years. I would take the a got to the
playoffs the past two years, but consider how much money they spent,
the swagger they played with, and the fact that they
were up two games to one of the Dodgers and
the Dodgers boat raced them. And then you know this
year they get beat by the Cubs, don't even get
(01:52):
to face the Dodgers. I think there was that was
a that was the mutual parting of ways. And then
you have Brian Callahan who's fired by the Titans. That
one's a case of two things right, and it happens
all the time when we have these first round draft
pick quarterbacks. Now. I don't know if Callahan knows what
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he's doing. I do know that they weren't particularly competitive
for the most part this season. I think the crazy
part about it is, you know, you draft a rookie,
you're not gonna be great. But they did just beat
the Cardinals last week, but shut out by the Texans,
smoked by the Colts, beaten badly by the Rams. You know,
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Rams and Colts at home. I think we knew where
this one was going. And the general manager that hired
him no longer works for the team. So when you
don't have somebody to have your back, when you're going
through a really hard season and you got a rookie quarterback,
this is what happens. But I think it's fascinating. Here
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we are six games in an NFL season and we
have a coaching firing, and they're one in five and
it doesn't feel like it's going good. And that one
makes sense to me because the Titans could have a bump.
Do I think they're making the playoffs? I don't. But
they still have the Saints at home, They still have
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the Jags at home. They still have the Texans at home,
Chargers at home, Seahawks at home, Chiefs at home. They
got to go to the Niners, not for a while,
but the Niners are all banged up, Browns aren't particularly good.
There's some potential wins on that schedule. The juxtaposition of
the the juxtaposition of the NFL game and the college
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game could not be more stark. In contrast, we had
more coaching firings over the weekend, most notably James Franklin
and why I understand Brian Brian Callahan and this has happened, right.
You draft a rookie quarterback and the expectations are that
you're all of a sudden gonna achieve something awesome, and
it rarely happens. In year one, they brew them, they
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bring in a new coach in year two, and away,
how do they go. I don't know if that's what
happens with the Bears, but that's what happened with the Bears.
That's what happens with a lot of places. James Franklin
gets fired after they lose to Northwestern by a point, this,
of course, when they were twenty point plus favorite against Northwestern,
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following up being a twenty six point favorite on the
road at UCLA, following up a tough close loss to
Oregon at home. I think the Callahan firing, while nothing
to celebrate, is reasonable. I think that James Franklin firing,
especially at this point in the season, is utterly and
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completely and terribly ridiculous. But that's where we are with
college sports. This is why I say college sports it's
not professional sports. It's amateur hour for professional sports, amateur
hour for professional sports. Because what did Penn State actually
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do by firing their head coach? What do you do?
They waved the white flag on the season and said
this thing's over now. They did just pass a new
rule where in the with the NCAA where you can't
go into the portal like you used to be, like
when I got the job a year and a half ago,
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or not even a year and a half ago. Players
automatically get the first thirty days in the portal, whether
the portals open or not open, right, And that's happened
with all these other schools. They just changed the rule
where now it's fifteen days of free open portaling, but
only after the new coach is hired. Here's the way
it really works in college athletics. They can make whatever
rules they want. If a kid wants to go in
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the portal now, he'll go into the portal now. And
if the NCAA holds it up, they're like, you can't
pass a rule, you know mid season when other players
have been able to go into the portal after their
coach is fired. That won't stand up in court. Everybody
knows it. The point is, you've just led a match
to your program in the middle of the season. Lit
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in the match, and it may not feel good with
Drew Aller getting hurt and having backups and being a
preseason top ten team. Heck, you were top five of
the country going back two weeks ago. It doesn't feel good.
But have you seen what's happened to my own water?
The only thing that people are pumped up about with
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Okloba State football is a bunch of kids went shirtless
and went to one section and they tried to have
set some fake world record for most shirtless people in
a section. That's it. That's what the football games have become.
Next weekend's homecoming. Who's gonna go to that?
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Who's gonna go to it?
Speaker 1 (07:05):
When three of your top players have put themselves in
the portal. The players all know they won't be there
next year. The coaches all know they won't be there
next year. Like for a week, it's kind of fun, right.
If you fire a guy before the last week of
the season, the interim coach can, Hey, let's run some
trick plays. Let's have some fun. Let's just go out
there and see what we got. Let's let our hang,
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if you will. Brian Callahan's one and five, and it's
very unlikely, very unlikely that that season will flip. But
there is still the idea of you can flip it.
Maybe get in the playoffs. Probably not. Maybe makes a
little bit more sense because he got a different gentlemenature.
But the players can't leave. All the players are gone
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at Penn State, all the players are gone at Oregon State,
all the players are gone at Oklahoma State, all the
players are gone at UCLA, even though they're winning. You
have wit on the student athlete, And don't tell me
that the student athlete experience is important to you when
you fire their head coach six games in the season, right,
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they still got to go to Iowa, still got to
go Ohio State. Indiana comes in, who looks like world
beaters that rank third in the country, go to Michigan
State and Nebraska at home. I asked a crazy hard schedule.
What was the win in firing James Franklin today?
Speaker 3 (08:30):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (08:32):
You didn't get ahead of anybody trying to hire Matt ruhle. Right,
all you did was you you showed your hand to Nebraska,
which they might have thought anyway, but you showed your
hand in Nebraska where down Nebraska has until probably December
to figure out how we can keep our coach. If
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we want to keep our coach. He's at Penn State.
Alum is the Ada Penn State. It's one of his
closest friends. So the juxtaposition of two different firings, one
in the pros Brian Callahan kind of makes sense. You know,
he was along for the ride with the Bengals when
they went to the Super Bowl. He did a good
job there. But he has him been a head coach
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with James Franklin. And I know everybody likes to point
out that James Franklin doesn't beat ranked teams, But James
Franklin's Penn State Nadaney Lions. They won two games in
the playoffs last year, did they not? Those are big games.
Who cares about the number of the rankings next to you?
So you're allowed to pay a guy forty nine million dollars,
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not coach. You're allowed to fire a guy whenever you want,
as long as you pay him that money. And you
treat him with dignity. But you've quit on an entire
football program. You've lit a match, and you've done so
six games into a season. Yes, they fire coaches in
the NFL not as often, and the players can't leave,
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and they they won't leave in the offseason unless they're
not under contract. It's a completely different deal. Please stop
telling me this is professional sports when it's amateur hour
in the decision making, because ask yourself, honestly, if aler
would have thrown the ball on third down and gotten
the first down when he broke his ankle, or he
would have scrambled for it and got it, or they
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would have found a way on fourth down had he
not gotten hurt, and they kick a field goal and
win the game, and they're four and two. You don't
fire him, So you fire him over one loss. Again,
you can fire him if you want. It's fine. He
gets forty nine million dollars. Everybody has to move. You
started a program. Why in the middle of the season.
How does that make sense. Nobody's explained that to me,
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and nobody can explain it to me because everybody knows
it doesn't make any sense.
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Next two nights it's in Milhawaukee Dodgers Brewers at American
Family Field. But before we get to that, we get
to love and hate from the weekend.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
What did you love?
Speaker 4 (11:58):
God?
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I love you?
Speaker 3 (12:00):
What did you hate?
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Meet these player hays?
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Love Love, love, hate, hate, hate? What'd you love from
the weekend? What'd you hate from the weekend? Our resident
lah blah blah is Dan Byer. Would you love?
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Dan?
Speaker 5 (12:18):
What a Saturday? It was started with the Buckeyes getting
a solid win at Illinois. Now there are many a
Buckeye fans who are not happy with the run game,
maybe not the creativity on offense. Boring is fine with
me if you're able to do what they were doing.
They did force some turnovers. The running game isn't what
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it was last year, but still a good way to
start the day, Doug. We also were supposed to have
family over, some cousins of my wife coming over, and
they did, but they were late, which allowed me to
check in on some of that Indiana Oregon matchup, which
was a great college football game in a great atmosphere.
Still weird that it's a Big Ten football but it
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was a great contest there. And then went into the
NLDS game five, had to have it on mute because
the family was over, but Brewers beat the Cubs five
to one. So Saturday was good all around. Loved it.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
Hey, Dan, I know that maybe you have this for
your hate and if you do, I'm sorry for Samona Dup.
I was hoping you were going to mention a certain influencer.
Now you don't have to mention by name, but a
certain influencer who had the tweet Ohio State got lucky
that they don't have Indiana on their schedule this year. Yes,
(13:36):
not true, your ire How.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
Come people will say anything, they truly will, And I
don't think that they watch a lot of college football.
I think that maybe they watch a game and well
of them immediately draw an opinion from it. We talked
last week and how no one is talking about Ohio
State at this point. Maybe they're still just thinking there.
It also ran because they just got past Texas, and
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Texas hasn't been great. I don't even even know if
they were great against Oklahoma, but they they won on Saturday.
But it's just funny on how teams want to fast
track other teams and Ohio State's lucky they don't face Indiana. Okay,
that's that's fun. Not saying it would be a blowout
in either way. But I just I find that that
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sort of commentary comical.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Dan.
Speaker 7 (14:25):
Yes, last year, the Hoosiers, who were undefeated at the time,
had to make a trip to Columbus. Don't you think
it's fair that the buck Guyes would have to make
a return trip to.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
Yeah, Bloomington. Bloomington, absolutely, And it was a good game
up until a couple of special teams cats by the
Hoosiers and then it kind of got out of hand.
But again, year to year, it's different in college football.
So two completely different teams from a year ago, but
just the the readiness, Like Ohio State hasn't done anything.
I think they've actually done quite a bit so far
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this year.
Speaker 7 (14:55):
But yeah, no one's talking about the buck Eyes and
they are just because they're just cruising at number one.
They're just like, yeah, Pence, well Penn in the Buckeyes. Yeah,
and then we'll talk about everybody else. If they lose,
everybody else start talking. Sure, sure, but they're cruising right now.
But that's what I love. Saturday.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
It was a good day, Samon.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Would you love?
Speaker 7 (15:15):
Oh boy? Well, I hate to be a sore winner here,
but I did love. Iowa's shutout went over Wisconsin thirty
seven to nothing in the Heartland Trophy Game Saturday night
in Camp Randall there in Madison, Wisconsin. Listen, Wisconsin is
a mess. They're a mess right now, especially on offense.
I know they've had some quarterback issues, but they just
all year. Last year they were hell bent on getting
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revenge on Iowa for pasting the Badgers forty two to ten.
This year they get shut out. I know how painful
it is to get shut out. Iowa was shut out
three times in twenty twenty three and the final year
of a very very inept offense under Brian Farence.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Have you seen worst quarterback play in the history of
your life than what you saw from Wisconsin on And
I'm asking an expert because Iowa a lot. Have you've
seen worst quarterback play?
Speaker 7 (16:03):
I think from twenty twenty one to twenty twenty three
there might have been something comparable from Iowa if you're
comparing to to Wisconsin, But that was like they start
out with the guy that got out of the transfer portal.
I think they're on like their second or third guy. Yes, yes,
it's been rough for them, but correct they can't even
run the ball. I mean, their entire offense is just
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a disaster. So Iowa pretty good defense offense figuring it
out thirty seven to nothing? Are you kidding me? I'm
hoisting right now, Dan got me this little Heartland Trophy
bowl Christmas ornament that's like a replica of the trophy,
and I'm hoisting it up right now in studio. Yes,
both hands, and yet it both hands is very heavy.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
ESPN does their total quarterback rink rating, which is zero
to one hundred Hunter Simmons of Wisconsin. Would you guys
like to take a guess at what his rating was?
It's zero zero two. You have five dougs in at five,
Sam Jason.
Speaker 7 (16:56):
I'm gonna say eleven eleven Jason, uh seven and a half? Okay,
zero point eight? Zero zero? How is that possible?
Speaker 1 (17:08):
That is that bad?
Speaker 5 (17:10):
Eight or twenty one yards picked off twice? And I
actually think it looked worse. I saw some highlights, so yes,
low lights. Oh it was.
Speaker 7 (17:22):
It was bad And I almost feel kind of bad though,
like enjoying this win because of how low Wisconsin is
as a program right now, but a shutout.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Think about Iowa. Iowa get got Wisconsin when they stink,
and now Penn State after they fired James Franklin and
Drew Allers.
Speaker 7 (17:39):
And yeah, backup quarterback and interim coach, so they better
not lose that game That looked really bad for Iowa.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
So I'll tell you what I love. I'm going to
violate the core tenons of a philosophy I have, which is,
don't no one cares about your vacations, about your adult
activities and your fantasy team and your bracket, right, and
you're in state bracket. But I did, I mean, this
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is there's a lot of luck. This was my fantasy team,
Dan Byer from the Weekend. Ready, let's hurt Lad McConkey,
uh Smith and Jigba, Jonathan Taylor, Cam Scattaboo, Uh Tucker Craft, touchdown,
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Derrick Henry, Cameron Dicker and and the Rams defense.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
Oh yes, outside of Henry, Like that's Henry still had
thirteen points, well still score a touchdown.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
But a real small league team.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
On the league. There are ten teams. Ten teams, sure,
four and one. But I mean that was just an
obscene week. Obscene week anyway.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
That's actually that's it's pretty pretty good squad, especially with
the emergence of Scataboo and getting his hat trick.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
But what happens with me, there's only two things that
happened with me in a fantasy league, well three one
I won the league and these guys I was with
I'd grown up playing football with my boy Joe Prato,
and they got all mad because I didn't attend the draft.
The next year, I was like, hey, I'm in Wisconsin.
I can't attend the draft. They're like, dude, you just
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like win the league and think you're all cool. It's like,
I don't live there anymore anyway. But what happens usually
is I lose interest, right, I lose a couple of games,
I lose interest. Or what's most what's happened recent years
when I've done pretty well, is I lose interest and
then I have a couple guys get hurt right before
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the playoffs, like in first or second place, and then
my running back gets hurt right for the playoffs, and
then I really lose interests. I'm like, I don't I
haven't followed it enough this year. I'm locked in because
I want them. I didn't give it this one. I
haven't won yet. I want the money. I'm going to
give it back and put it in for the party,
but I want the money.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
Well, I think with that, you know that lineup in
lad mccackey, by the way, at the start of the
year was not good for you, but now he has emerged, correct, Jase, do.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
You know among the list of things that you just mentioned,
no one wants to know about your fantasy team, your
NCAA tournament team and Dan, I'll probably say, nobody wants
to hear about your golf round. You know, how you
hit the shot on seventeen. Another one of those things
is people don't want to hear about your bad beats
and poker. When you play a lot of tournament poker,
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as I have in my lifetime, you don't want to
hear the other guy complain about bad beats. We all
experience with them. But that gets me around to my love.
So it was birthday weekend for me and I told Christina,
my super hot girlfriend, I said, the one thing I
want for a birthday my birthday is for me and
Jacob to play in a card tournament this weekend. So
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she paid for the entry for both me and him
to get into a tournament at the gardens in Orange
County and free rolled it. Eight hours later, my son
is cashing in second place twenty three hundred dollars. Wow,
zero money into twenty three hundred dollars and you'd be like,
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you know, a great birthday president would be for me
to win it. But no, how about the birthday present
being as your your poker protege winning money at a
poker tournament and he had, he couldn't get the smile
off his face. So prad dad, proud moment, and congratulations
to Jacob for doing that.
Speaker 7 (21:49):
Is he going to take you on vacation.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
No, he's got a wedding coming up, so that's going
to offset the money that I pay. It's gonna be great.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
It's Jacob also cast in the Survivor baseball pool that
we're in, so it's a swimming and Cats twenty twenty
five Year of the Jacob, the Year of the Jacob.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Let's get to what we hated from the weekend start
with the resident hater, Jase two.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
So like the kind of the clicheted low hanging fruit
take with Jim Harbor nowadays, is that he himself is
done away with the term chargering, that we no longer
give away leads late, we no longer let the unmistakable happen.
That he has taken control of this team and we're
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moving into a different era where chargering is just going
to go by the wayside and yesterday, they absolutely charged.
Now your question is, wait a minute. I looked at
the box score and didn't watch the game they won.
How could they have charged you didn't watch the game.
They kicked the Dolphins ass for three plus quarters. I
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sent you guys a text message yesterday. At the twelve
minute part of the game, ESPN had said that they're
a ninety four percent chance of winning after they settled
for yet another field goal. Cameron Dicker had four field
goals early on in the fourth quarter because they couldn't
cash in on kicking the Dolphins ass the entire game. Somehow,
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ten minutes later, the Dolphins have taken the lead. That's
what chargering is. They took the lead and a game
they were getting dominated by, and they almost won a
game if it wasn't for Herbert getting out of a
sack to make a miracle throw to Lad McConkie. So
don't give me the Chargers no longer charger bull crap.
(23:46):
That was a chargering that they got lucky against an
awful team. I hated that.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
The Chargers were in the process of chargering and the
Dolphins are like, no, we'll charger over you, and will charger.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
I mean Look, they get the Colts at home obviously
Cults are good, and then Vikings at home as well,
and then the Titans. So if there's a sawce spot
for a banged deb team. But we'll see how they
play against the Colts, so they raise their level. I
genuinely agree with you. They did charger the difference, So
is that somehow they pulled this one out, Dan Doug.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
I'm actually piggybacking off of your lead of the show today.
I hated that Penn State fired James Franklin. James Franklin
didn't have to stick around for twenty twenty six, But
to think that this team was in national championship winning
contention in late September, fifteen days prior to the firing,
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they were playing a competitive game against Oregon. Now they
have a completely off day against UCLA, and sure the
loss to the Northwestern is probably inexcusable, but to dismiss
him at this time, to me makes everything that I
agree with everything that you said. What a bad job
by the administration and the front office. And there are
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rumors that the shoe company and the shoe deal and
the apparel deal may have had something to do with it.
Even if that was the case, he still could have
waited to the end of the year. I don't know
what we are doing in college sports. I don't know
what we're doing in college football, But to fire James
Franklin at this point I thought was ridiculous. So I
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agree with you, Doug, completely, completely agree.
Speaker 7 (25:33):
I have a question.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
We have lost our way, Yes, go ahead.
Speaker 7 (25:36):
Question for Dan and for everybody. If Drew Aller had
not sustained a season ending injury, do you think it
would he still would have been fired James Franklin because
now it's like you don't have a quarterback, and so
you don't have a team. Now, no, yeah, it's completely team.
The only guy that could probably keep your team together
was James Franklin.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
So you never have a team. I don't know what
they're doing yet. Another month, a month and a half. Right,
you don't make the playoff, you turned down a bull bid,
you say we're not going. That's fine, Just get to
the end of November. Six more weeks, that's all it was.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Correct. Correct, it's a joke. What's happening in college athletics,
and it's like they're competitive, Like, oh, you think you
can fire you get ahead of us. Arkansas fire is
a guy, and then Oklahoma State fire is a guy,
and then said, like, what are we doing? What's the point.
It's almost like you have to be in a like
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we gotta be an a hole because we're losing instead
of and then and then they'll all put out some
like post on social media like thank you so much what.
Speaker 7 (26:49):
He had you in the playoff winning games last year.
That's the thing.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
They won two of them.
Speaker 7 (26:55):
I know they won two of them.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
And honestly, honest to God, I'm with Dan. I swear
to god, you can fire coach. That's fine. What are
we doing? Here's the hypocrisy to it. I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever,
I don't want to hear Oklahoma States different. I don't
want to hear Penn State's different. Stop it. You're a
bunch of freaking liars. Our place is different. We treat
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people with class, with dignity. It's about the student athlete experience. Okay,
So James Franklin recruit every one of those players. They're
gonna go through senior night and he's not gonna be
there to shake their hand. There has some interim coach.
Nobody's gonn everybody's gonna fired and be three quarters full.
Why why? What? And again what was gained by firing
a coach? Does he have any off the field issues?
(27:40):
Has he committed any Nancy A violations?
Speaker 2 (27:42):
No?
Speaker 1 (27:43):
His crime, the only punishable crime they will tell you
in college sports is what losing everything else you can
come back from. Okay, So, Penn State a program that
was disgraced. Okay, Penn State, just see people are aware. Okay,
in State used to have a big sign in their
athletic department and it said success with honor, Success with honor,
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and that was all brought down, Okay because of the
scandal that led to the ouster of Joe Paterno, then
Joe Paterno's death right, and then Sandusky affair. So they
start to rebuild with with O'Brien he leaves, James Franklin
comes in and he takes it from a used to
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be unbelievably programmed to one that was pretty good and
in this really challenging time, gets it to the first
ever college fball playoff and they're pick top ten. They
get the quarterback to come back, and so you fire
a guy six games in the season. Where's the honor
in it. Don't tell me we are Penn State. We're
so much better.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
No, you're not.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
You're just like the schools in the South that you
act like you're morally superior to. You are. Okay, you're
a football factory. And it also opens up the door
to the Hey, the real reason you didn't look at
the Sandusky thing was because you're winning at the time.
And the only thing that matters in State College is
the only thing that matters in still Water is the
only that matters in Norman. Is the only matters that
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any schools is winning and losing again, and it has
no honor to it. I don't know. James Franklin not
a friend of mine. He's not an enemy of mine.
I know that you treated him like crap. And more importantly,
you treat all those players like crap. And the only
thing they did was lose three games. That's what they
did wrong. Shame on them. Yeah, I hated it too.
Speaker 8 (29:33):
Heat flew through you.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
I love that, and that is love and hate.
Speaker 7 (29:39):
We're not quite done yet. Also, he's getting forty nine
million dollars so he won't be in a van down
by the river, which is nice.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
No, no, but and listen, and which is absurd.
Speaker 7 (29:48):
Forty nine million dollars the second biggest buy it of all.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
No, it's not.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Do you know why coaches have those big buyouts.
Speaker 7 (29:54):
That's a lot of bundy.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
No, do you know why they have those big buys?
Speaker 7 (29:57):
Tell me why he's getting forty nine million.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
The idea is, we I have this ridiculous buyout. So
if I have a bad run where I lose a
couple of games in a row, you can't fire me.
You let me work it.
Speaker 7 (30:07):
That didn't work, they said.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Now now you're gonna pay fifty million dollars and all
you're gonna do is increase student fees and go back
to the same donors and ask them for more money
and more hope. And meanwhile you set the program back.
I mean, they're not obviously not gonna finish grade this
year next year. They want it, Well, it's gonna it
takes two years. It takes two years.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
So but hey, Nitney Lyon, Steve and Eerie is sure
happy today because he can go to the message board and.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Fire fire everybody because they lost the game. Dumb, that's
love and hate again. I want to make sure this
is very clear. Okay, And when we edit this thing
and we put it on social media, you are absolutely
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allowed to fire a coach, all of it. Like every
coach will tell you, you're just your coach till you
get fired. That's your expectations. At some point, everybody gets fired.
But I'm man I lost if you fired the coach,
like what, you just act like a You act like
an in insignificant, insecure teenager who can't handle the fact
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that you're not as good as you thought you should be.
He doesn't win big games, you're allowed to fire him.
He did win two collegeootball playoff games. There's no bigger
games than those.
Speaker 6 (31:32):
Sorry.
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Speaker 1 (31:40):
App stuck Ott Leave show here on Fox Sports Radio.
I don't know if we've had this discussion yet, but
maybe we should. If you listen to the podcast, you're like,
I don't know what song you're talking about. But if
you're not listening to the podcast, if you're listening to
the radio show, Uh, that song by what do you know?
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What do you know that song from? Or do you
not know that song?
Speaker 5 (32:08):
No, I know this song?
Speaker 4 (32:10):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (32:10):
Is it? Who is it?
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Rusted Root?
Speaker 7 (32:12):
Is that it is?
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (32:16):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
I don't know what movie it's from or it.
Speaker 7 (32:19):
Was in Sam, Well, it looks like it was maybe
a central theme song of Party of five because oh,
I never sardar google ai ad it again? No, it
says it's uh because it's the.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Ice Age YouTube.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Ice age is what ice Age is what I remember
that that song was.
Speaker 7 (32:38):
No, I'm on YouTube and and the song has a
backdrop of Party of five. So I'm guessing that was
like one of their their theme songs.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
I don't know. I don't know which one is more
to blame in this exchange. Uh, because we had this
exact conversation three weeks ago on the air, and Sam
was told in that moment it was ice Age, yet
he's still googling it. So uh, I never fell dug
in these situations. It's Groundhog Day, every day, Doug. But
Sam should know better.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
See, here's the thing, Jason, that I've mastered. I've mastered
the art of not assuming that people were listening three
weeks ago. Right, So you got to act like you're
surprised or you got to act like it's a new
question when it is clearly not. Tom Telesco will join
us after we get an update from Dan Byer. But
(33:22):
Tommy's former team was the Chargers. He was the GM
for eleven years and one of those games where you
felt like they were the better team. They struggled to
stop Miami, but gave up a score late, marched down
the field and it did feel like they were charging again,
did it not? Jase Doo?
Speaker 6 (33:43):
Yeah, my argument is that they did charger it. But
I'm going to save it for my hate.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Okay, we'll get to love and hate top of the hour. Anyway,
Justin Herbert under pressure, looked like he was going to
get sacked, kind of Shed's a tackler. Throws it to
Laddi McConkie. Lad McConkie does the rest, gets him into
field goal range. They run the ball a couple of times.
Kick if you'll go win the game, and Jim and
Jim Harbaugh says this.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
That play would be burning my mind for so they
throw dirt over top of me. Justin Herbert back to
throw the defender wrapped around him. You know he's able
to just mighty man it and shake it off and
hit Ladd Maconkey. Lad does his stop fly by and
starts starts getting that necessary yardage, and here comes Zion
(34:26):
Johnson flying ahead of Ladd. I mean, just the type
of type of effort, the type of you know, the
want to you know, the the great desire to win.
He gets that block shielded and you know there's another
twenty another twenty yards. Yeah, I'm gonna remember that play
till they throw dirt over top of me. That's how
(34:48):
great I feel about feel about that.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Just Herbert special, special player. And after a two game
losing streak, they survived from charging. We'll hear more on
that when Jason Stewart extracts his pound of flesh in
Love and Hate top of the hour. It's the Doug
Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. He joins us
every week, and uh, there's there's no better kind of
voice of reason than the guy for the last twelve
(35:12):
years been the jo manager of the Chargers and the Raiders.
He's time Telesco. Uh, he's spent his entire professional life
in the Nation Football League, and he joins us. Let's
let's start with the news of the day. Brian Callahan
fired as head coach of the Tennessee Titans. What's your
immediate reaction.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Yeah, I mean I'm not surprised. I mean I was.
Speaker 6 (35:33):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
I watched the game yesterday with the Raiders, you know,
because I've got rooting interest in the Raiders.
Speaker 8 (35:38):
So I watched that game from beginning to end, and
I remarked to my wife during the game that, you know,
it was a tough watch.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
It was just it was an uncompetitive game. And I
just told her, I'm like, like, this is hard for
us to watch it.
Speaker 8 (35:51):
Can you imagine if you're a Titan fan. And then
when I saw the close after the game by Jeffrey
Simmons that you know that we had a poor week.
You practice report Thursday practice they're running was kind of
on the wall at that point, which is it's disappointing
because if you watch the game yesterday, you know, it's
hard to know, or actually it's not hard to know,
(36:12):
as I watched yesterday, is there enough talent out there
for them right now?
Speaker 2 (36:16):
And there just isn't. If you look on offense with
they have around campboard right now, it's just not where
it needs to be yet. And Calvin really got hurt
in the second quarter. They had a lot of receivers
out there that it almost looked like a preseason game.
Speaker 8 (36:29):
So offensive line hasn't played well that that was supposed
to be a strength of theirs, and so there just isn't.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
A lot around them right now. So that's that's the
hard part.
Speaker 8 (36:39):
When you make these moves and you let the head
coach go at a GM, you got to look at
yourself too.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
I hey, is there enough resources right now for us
to win? I look out there right now, I don't
see it, but you could see there running on the
wall after the game yesterday. You could kind of feel
it coming. Unfortunately, Yeah you could.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Okay, so you know they they hired a new GM,
who then hired Callahan. So now I mean again, as
long as they don't change gms, that GM is going
to make the next higher. What's the process really like?
Right Like, there's all kinds of assumptions on what it's like.
(37:18):
You've been part of several of these coaching searches with
the Chargers. When you were with the Raiders, that was
already kind of done. What's this process like when it
happens mid season?
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Well, and this isn't even midseason. This is so early.
The interesting thing with the Titans is, you know Ran
Carfin or was their GM last year, he's one who
hired Brian Callahan. But with the Titans did which I
really haven't seen this before. When Ran with the GM,
they promoted the assistant GM to president, so basically above
Ran and then that president decided to fire Ran Carfin
(37:50):
and hire his own GM. So again that's not typical
that you see in the.
Speaker 8 (37:56):
NFL, but I can definitely see what this new regime
with the new president and the new GM. You know,
they probably want their own head coach. So there's not
much you can do now other than you're just researching
candidates and you've got a long time to do it.
You're gonna have to be careful because most of the
candidates are with other teams, whether as assistant coaches or
(38:16):
head coaches or at the college level, So a lot
of your work is going to be making some phone
calls talking with people, but obviously not talking direct to
any any potential coaches.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
But the number one thing is you have to put
together what do we want in this head coach.
Speaker 8 (38:31):
There's a lot of different ways to go and kind
of put down a description of Hey, these are the
non negotiables who want this head coach, these.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Are the things we would like, and then try.
Speaker 8 (38:40):
And fit the candidates to that.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
But you've got to cancel.
Speaker 8 (38:43):
Why it's not as possible. There's plenty of time to
do their homework on this, and they'll start interviewing right
after the season.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
But this is just they have a long runway to
do this.
Speaker 8 (38:53):
But the second part of this is the talent on
the team just has to be upgraded. They got to
have a plan in place to help this quarterback on
offense and get more talent on defense.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Steut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, that's the
voice of Tom Telesco. He joins his Tom, I'm sure
you've heard what Tuus said in the press conference where
he said, you know, we've guys showing up late for
players only meetings, calling out some of his teammates, and
he's talked about the leadership. Well, again, how does that
(39:24):
land on you? I mean, I know how it lands
on me when you hear it. How does it land.
Speaker 8 (39:29):
I would rather that player come to me and talk
about it and keep it in house before rather than
put it out publicly, and.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
I think, just to give some context here, and obviously
I'm not in their building, I'm assuming he wasn't.
Speaker 8 (39:41):
Talking about like a big, wide ranging all player team meeting.
I think he was probably more talking about the position
meetings that happened amongst players during off time, because, as
you know, as a coach, you can't spend twenty.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Four to seven with your players. You have other duties
to do, you have video to watch, you have coaching
meetings to attend. So a lot of times a position
group they may get together post practice just players. Could
be early in the morning, as it could be on
a Tuesday's day off, so they meet informally.
Speaker 8 (40:10):
And if this is not happening at the way it
should be, your players are blowing them off. I would
rather that player come to see me or the head
coach and then we'll handle it and we'll go through that,
or the players hands and handle it with the other players.
But I just think when you take it public, you're
taking a problem and just throwing gasoline on it. And
now it's even a bigger problem.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
So it's something they'ren have to.
Speaker 8 (40:32):
Handle now in house. But you would have rather handle
it between the head coach at GM and the quarterback
right public with this.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
I agree, And it's interesting, right, like he's a guy
who has always faulted on the side of doing all
these little things kind of extra the right way, almost
trying to believe be politically correct. Why would he why
would he do that? Well, I know neither of us know.
Just hypothesize for a second, and Tom, why do you
(41:01):
think to a tongue of Ailoa whose coaches under pressure
team is not playing well, why do you think he
would say that?
Speaker 2 (41:11):
This would be my hypothesis looking at it, that this
has been going on for a really long time. He's frustrated.
Speaker 8 (41:17):
And anytime as a player or as a coach, when
you come off the field after a tough loss and
you're doing a press conference within ten minutes of the
game ending, sometimes you say some things that you normally
wouldn't say. And to me, I think it probably went
down that route. I just don't think he went in
that press conference thinking I'm going to talk about this publicly,
I'm going to try and get this thing moving this way.
(41:39):
I just don't think he would handle like that.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
I just think it was a moment of weakness where
he said it, it got out and now they're gonna
have to deal with it.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
Do you think he can? Can you be a quarterback
if like the guys don't trust him.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Well, first of all, I actually in play watching the
offense is not the problem. They're moving the ball pretty well,
they're scoring points.
Speaker 8 (42:04):
The problem has been on defense. They haven't been to
stop anybody. So he's been doing his part. Hasn't been
as good as it was a couple of years ago. No,
when they're putting up eye popping numbers, but they they're
converting at a high number and a third down and
they're scoring points on offense. So right now, defensively they
have to find a way to get stops and that's
not happening now. The quarterback is the leader of the
(42:24):
football team. You're the face the franchise, so there are.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Some things you have to take on publicly. But no,
he's doing his part as far as his play is concerned.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Stet Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of Tom te LESCo. He's former general manager of
both the La Chargers and the Las Vegas Raiders. He
joins us every week here in the program. Okay, Dylan
Gabriel really struggles, right. I mean, you're playing Pittsburgh on
the road, and Pittsburgh's defense hasn't been good, but it
(42:56):
was good. Sacked in six times yesterday, and there seem
to be some give up in the Browns. What's that
coaching staff, what's that front office thinking in terms of
what they're doing with their quarterback.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Yeah, they're just in a tough spot right now.
Speaker 8 (43:10):
That was a very challenging matchup for Dylan Gabriel. I
know the Steelers defense hadn't played the way we expected
them to play earlier in the year, but they have
a ton of talent. It's starting to come together. The
Pittsburgh defense played very well yesterday. And the Browns right now,
you know, they're not to the point where they're the
Titans as far as talent wise, but they just don't
have enough around that quarterback position.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Yet.
Speaker 8 (43:32):
It didn't matter if it was Joe Flacco playing quarterback
or Dylan Gabriel. There just isn't enough talent around.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
The team on a quarterback, on the offensive line, and
in some of the skill positions. They're just very young.
They had an awesome draft this year, a big time draft.
Speaker 8 (43:45):
These guys are going to be cornerstone players for them,
but it's hard for them all as rookies.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
To play like veterans this early. So Dylan's in a
tough spot. Now. They threw the ball a lot in
the game. Now they were down, so that doesn't contributed
to it. But in reality, the Browns are still they're
still rebuilding, you know, losing all the.
Speaker 8 (44:04):
Draft picks when they had to make the quarterback trade
and now starting to kind of get back a little
bit more cap space, a little bit more assets in
the draft. They have a lot of picks next year,
so they're still building. And right now it puts Hill
in Gael Gabriel in a tough spot just because he doesn't.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Have a ton around him to move the football. But
it's something they're going to have to just figure out
a way for the rest of the season.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Drake May Again, I'm not going to tell you I've
watched the game. I did see a bunch of the highlights,
the numbers three touchdowns and interceptions two sixty one. Now
he's paying the Saints, who are particularly good. But this
is on the back of beating Buffalo in Buffalo. What
what's the GM's I view of Drake May as a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Yeah, he's really starting to take off. It's interesting in
the draft, he was a bit of a polarizing.
Speaker 8 (44:52):
Player among scouts and coaches. There are some scouts and
coaches that loved them, and there are some scouts and coaches.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
That didn't think he could play. And I thought he'd
be a backup quarterback.
Speaker 8 (44:59):
In the end, So I think you have to look
at all the tools that he has. I got a
chance to see him in the Holiday Bowl when he
was a sophomore. They actually UNC played against Oregon and
the Holly Bowl in San.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Diego, and Drake May put out. He had a great game.
He had a ton of NFL throws. Then he came
back for his junior year, and you know that people
are making some excuses for me. He didn't have as
good a year, wasn't as accurate, didn't have the same
type of team around him, didn't have the same type
of NFL talent he had the year before. But you
can see the size, the athletic ability, the.
Speaker 8 (45:31):
Arm strength, the intangibles, the makeup and the preparation skills.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
The accuracy part and decision making had to keep coming
along and it has as you get into year two,
he just looks so comfortable in the pocket. He's reading
the field really well. And really, if you look at
the Patriots, they don't have a ton of talent yet
they're still building like some of these other teams that
has talked about, they're.
Speaker 8 (45:53):
Still adding talent.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
But right now he's playing above where he probably should
be at this point of his And then obviously the
head coach has really.
Speaker 8 (46:02):
Put a culture in there that that works right now
and defense is playing well. But it's been really fun
to watch Drake May really take big steps and big
strides in two years.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
Stuck gotlig show here on Fox Sports Radio. Tom Telesco
is our guest, what do you make of the research
in Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 8 (46:21):
You know, the focus is always on Mahomes, which is understandable,
and the offensive struggle a little bit earlier in the year,
and you just know with Andy Reid like they're going
to get it figured out, and it looks like they have.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
But to me, the biggest thing is the defense. The
defense has played extremely well. The defense is what it
has been really.
Speaker 8 (46:38):
The strongest part of this team the last couple of years,
and it seems like people don't talk about it, but
you know, they get against the Lions, which is, you know,
wheen of the highest scoring teams in the NFL, an
excellent team. Both they have both speed and physicality.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
About the Casey defense did a tremendous job.
Speaker 8 (46:54):
They went on third down, they went on fourth down,
they went toe to toe with the Lions. So I'm
not surprised that the Chiefs, the coaching staff Andy Reeve
de Spagnolo, didn't.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
Start off the way they had anticipated.
Speaker 8 (47:07):
And he make some adjustments, you start fixing some things,
and you know, we're kind of seeing now this Chiefs
team looks pretty similar to the way the team looked
last year when I finished the year.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
So we'll see if they can keep it up. But
I thought the defense just played really, really well yesterday.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
We haven't talked since Thursday Night Football, but in the
surprising results of the year, the Giants thoroughly beating the
Philadelphia Eagles. Is that more about the Giants or about
the Eagles?
Speaker 2 (47:35):
I mean, it's probably got to be both.
Speaker 8 (47:37):
I mean, you look at how the Giants played, just
the mentality and the enthusiasm that Jackson Dart brings that
Cam Scattibow brings to the team now.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
That Giants still have their issues on the offensive line,
they still have some issues on offense. I think that
Giants defense is very strong, and the Eagles are just
going through a tough point right now.
Speaker 8 (47:57):
They're still trying to find their identity, which typically has
been to lean on the run game and then you
know a lot of RPOs. You know, throw it when
we have to and kind of get back to what
they are.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
They're still going through that transition to having a new coordinator,
so there's there have to be some patients there. But
I think we even talked about this a couple of
weeks ago. This is where the head coach who has
an offensive background is where you need to.
Speaker 8 (48:20):
Step in and get things settled down on offense, getting
back to what their identity is, which is the offensive
line running the football and then like letting Hurts, you know,
move around a little bit, move the pocket. And they
have a lot of weapons on offense between the tight
ends and receivers, but just being able to use it correctly.
But I was impressed with the Giants with how they played.
I think Giants defense is outstanding.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
I think that's a big part of it too. But
I still think in the end, the Eagles are going
to figure it out. It's just like the Chiefs did.
It's just taking them a little bit extra time.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
Temmy of the Best Man should be a fun night
with a doubleheader. You got to just about everything we
wanted to get to and we just appreciate it. Sincerely,
thanks so much for being our guests.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
Awesome Thanks for having on care Docs
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