October 13, 2025 • 36 mins
Doug talks about Brian Callahan getting fired by the Titans, and explains why there is no reason to fire James Franklin now if you are Penn State. Doug reacts to Jim Harbaugh's comments about Justin Herbert. Doug welcomes former Chargers GM Tom Telesco onto the show to talk about the Titans, Chargers and all of the headlines around the NFL. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "Big Deal, Little Deal or No Deal?".
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and we're fired at what an amazing time of year,
What an amazing time of year. Lots of firings or retirings.
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You might have heard from Dan Byer, like probably the
least discussed retirement firing. Whatever's Mike Schilt. I don't believe
for one second that he, by the way retired today. Sorry,
I mean listen. I want to get to Brian Callahan,
I want to get to James Franklin. But I mean listen.
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I reserve the right to be wrong. I reserve the
right to be wrong. If he wants to spend more
time with his family, baseball does not really allow that.
If he has something an illness or older, like a
parent who's sick, you want to spend I can't really
argue with that, but dude, what fifty seven years old
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and he manages in San Diego and they by all accounts,
most people think they've underachieved in the playoffs the past
two years. I would take the A got to the
playoffs past two years, but consider how much money they spent,
the swagger they played with, and the fact that they
were up two games to one of the Dodgers and
the Dodgers boat raced him. And then you know, this
year they get beat by the Cubs, don't even get
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to face the Dodgers. I think there was that was
a that was the mutual party of ways. And then
you have Brian Callahan who's fired by the Titans. That
one's a case of two things right, and it happens
all the time when we have these first round draft
pick quarterbacks. Now. I don't know if Callahan knows what
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he's doing. I do know that they weren't particularly competitive
for the most part this season. I think the crazy
part about it is, you know, you draft a rookie,
you're not gonna be great. But they did just beat
the Cardinals last week, but shut out by the Texans,
smoked by the Colts, beaten badly by the Rams. You know,
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Rams and Colts at home. I think we knew where
this one was going. And the general manager that hired
him no longer works for the team. So when you
don't have somebody to have your back, when you're going
through a really hard season and you got a rookie quarterback,
this is what happens. But I think it's fascinating. Here
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we are six games into an NFL season and we
have a coaching firing and they're one in five and
it doesn't feel like it's going good. And that one
makes sense to me because the Titans could have a bump.
Do I think they're making the playoffs? I don't. But
they still have the Saints at home, They still have
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the Jags at home. They still have the Texans at home,
Chargers at home, Seahawks at home, Chiefs at home. They
got to go to the Niners. Not for a while,
but the Niners are all banged up, Browns aren't particularly good.
There's some potential wins on that schedule. The juxtaposition of
the the juxtaposition of the NFL game and the college
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game could not be more stark. In contrast, we had
more coaching firings over the weekend, most notably James Franklin
and why I understand Brian Brian Callahan and this has happened. Right,
You draft a rookie quarterback and the expectations are that
you're all gonna achieve something awesome, and it rarely happens.
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In year one, they brew them, they bring in a
new coach in year two, and away how do they go.
I don't know if that's what happens with the Bears,
but that's what happened with the Bears. That's what happens
with a lot of places. James Franklin gets fired after
they lose to Northwestern by a point, this, of course,
when they were twenty point plus favorite against Northwestern, following
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up being a twenty six point favorite on the road
at UCLA, following up a tough close loss to Oregon
at home. I think the Callahan firing, while nothing to celebrate,
is reasonable. I think that James Franklin firing, especially at
this point in the season, is utterly and completely and
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terribly ridiculous. But that's where we are with college sports.
This is why I say college sports, it's not professional sports.
It's amateur hour for professional sports, amateur hour for professional sports.
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Because what did Penn State actually do by firing their
head coach?
Speaker 3 (05:15):
What do you do?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
They waved the white flag on the season and said
this thing's over now. They did just pass a new
rule where with the NCAA where you can't go into
the portal like you used to be, Like when I
got the job a year and a half ago, or
not even a year and a half ago. Players automatically
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get the first thirty days in the portal, whether the
portals open or not open, right, And that's happened with
all these other schools. They just changed the rule where
now it's fifteen days of free open portaling, but only
after the new coach is hired. Here's the way it
really works in college athletics. They can make whatever rules
they want. If a kid wants to go in the
portal now, he'll go into the portal now. And if
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the NCAA holds it up, they're like, you can't pass
a rule, you know mid season when other players have
been able to go into the portal after their coach
is fired, that won't stand up in court. Everybody knows it.
The point is, you've just led a match to your
program in the middle of the season. Lit in the match,
and it may not feel good with Drew Aller getting
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hurt and having backups and being a preseason top ten team. Heck,
you were top five of the country going back two
weeks ago. It doesn't feel good. But have you seen
what's happened to my own water? The only thing that
people are pumped up about with Oklahoma State football is
a bunch of kids went shirtless and went to one
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section and they tried to have set some fake world
record for most shirtless people in a section. That's it.
That's what the football games have become. Next weekend's homecoming.
Who's gonna go to that? Who's gonna go to it?
When three of your top players have put themselves in
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the portal. The players all know they won't be there
next year. The coaches all know they won't be there
next year. Like for a week, it's kind of fun, right.
If you fire a guy before the last week of
the season, the interim coach can, Hey, let's run some
trick plays, Let's have some fun. Let's just go out
there and see what we got. Let's let our hang,
if you will. Brian Callahan's one and five, and it's
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very unlikely, very unlikely that that season will flip. But
there is still the idea of you can flip it.
Maybe get in the playoffs. Probably not. Maybe makes a
little bit more sense because he got a different gentlemen sature.
But the players can't leave. All the players are gone
at Penn State. All the players are gone at Oregon State,
all the players are gone at Oklahoma State. All the
players are gone at UCLA, even though they're winning. You
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have quit on the student athlete. And don't tell me
that the student athlete experience is important to you when
you fire their head coach six games in the season. Right,
they still got to go to Iowa, still got to
go Ohio State. Indiana comes in, who looks like world
beaters that rank third in the country. Go to Michigan State,
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Nebraska at home. I asked a crazy hard schedule. What
was the win in firing James Franklin today?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (08:30):
You didn't get ahead of anybody trying to hire Matt Ruhle. Right,
all you did was you you showed your hand to Nebraska,
which they might have thought anyway, but you showed your
hand in Nebraska where down Nebraska has until probably December
to figure out how we can keep our coach, if
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we want to keep our coach, he said. Penn State
alum is the Ada Penn State. It's one of his
closest friends. So the juxtaposition of two different firings, one
in the pros Brian Callahan kind of makes sense. You know,
he was along for the ride with the Bengals when
they went to the Super Bowl. He did a good
job there, but he has him been a head coach
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with James Franklin. And I know everybody likes to point
out that James Franklin doesn't beat ranked teams. But James
Franklin's Penn State Nadney Lions. They won two games in
the playoffs last year, did they not? Those are big games?
Who cares about the number of the rankings next to you?
So you're allowed to pay a guy forty nine million dollars,
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not coach. You're allowed to fire a guy whenever you want,
as long as you pay him that money and you
treat him with dignity. But you've quit on an entire
football program. You've lit a match and you've done so
six games into a season. Yes, they fire coaches in
the NFL not as often, and the players can't leave,
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and they won't leave in the offseason unless they're not
under contract. It's a completely different deal. Please stop telling
me this is the professional sports when it's amateur hour
in the decision making, because ask yourself, honestly, if aler
would have thrown the ball on third down and gotten
the first down when he broke his ankle, or he
would have scrambled for it and got it, or they
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would have found away on fourth down had he not
gotten hurt, and they kick a field goal and win
the game, and they're four and two. You don't fire him,
so you fire him over one loss. Again, you can
fire him if you want. It's fine. He gets forty
nine million dollars. Everybody has to move. You started a program.
Why in the middle of the season. How does that
make sense. Nobody's explained that to me, and nobody can
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explain it to me because everybody knows it doesn't make
any sense.
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Speaker 2 (10:52):
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I don't know if we've had this discussion yet it
but maybe we should. If you listen to the podcast,
you're like, I don't know what song you're talking about.
But if you're not listening to podcast, if you're listening
to the radio show, uh, that song by what do
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you know? What do you know that song from? Or
do you not know that song?
Speaker 5 (11:20):
No?
Speaker 6 (11:21):
I know this song? Is it? Who is it? Rusted Root?
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Is that? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (11:29):
I don't I don't know what movie it's from or
it was.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
In Sam Well.
Speaker 7 (11:34):
It looks like it was maybe a central theme song
of Party of five because oh, I never saw a
party party Google Ai added again, No, it says it's
uh because it's the ice Age YouTube.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Ice Age is what ice Age is what I remember
that that song was.
Speaker 7 (11:50):
No, I'm on YouTube and and the song has a
backdrop of Party of five, So I'm guessing that was
like one of their their theme songs.
Speaker 6 (11:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (11:57):
I don't know which one is more to blame in
this exchange, because we had this exact conversation three weeks
ago on the air and Sam was told in that
moment it was ice age, yet he's still googling it.
So I never fell dug in these situations. It's Groundhog
Day every day with Doug. But Sam should know better.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
See here's the thing, Jason, that I've mastered. I've mastered
the art of not assuming that people were listening three
weeks ago. Right, So you got to act like you're surprised,
or you got to act like it's a new question
when it is clearly not. Tom Delesco will join us
after we get an update from Dan Byer. But Tommy's
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former team was the Chargers. He was the GM for
eleven years and one of those games where you felt
like they were the better team. They struggled to stop Miami,
but gave up a score late, marched down the field
and it did feel like they were charging again, did
it not, Jase Doo?
Speaker 8 (12:56):
Yeah, my argument is that they did charge it, But
I'm going to save it for my hate.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Okay, we'll get to love and hate top of the hour. Anyway,
justin Herbert under pressure, looked like he was gonna get sacked,
kind of sheds a tackler, throws it to Ladd McConkie.
Lad McConkey does the rest, gets Hm into the field
goal range. They run the ball a couple of times,
kick a field, go win the game, and Jim and
Jim Harbaugh says this.
Speaker 9 (13:17):
That play would be burning my mind for till they
throw dirt over top of me. Justin Herbert back to
throw the defender wrapped around him. You know he's able
to just a mighty man it and shake it off
and hit Ladd McConkie. Ladd does his stop fly by
and starts starts getting that necessary yardage, and here comes
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Zion Johnson flying ahead of Ladd. I mean, just the
type of type of effort, the type of you know,
the want to you know, the the great desire to win.
He gets that block shielded and you know there's another
twenty another twenty yards. Yeah, I'm gonna remember that play
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till they throw dirt over.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Top of me.
Speaker 9 (14:00):
That's how great I feel about feel about that.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Just Herbert special, special player. And after a two game
losing streak, they survived from charging. We'll hear more on
that when Jason Stewart extracts his pound of flesh in
Love and Hate, top of the Hour, it's the Doug
Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. He joins us
every week, and uh, there's there's no better kind of
voice of reason than the guy for the last twelve
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years been the jo manager of the Chargers and the Raiders.
He's Tim Telesco.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
He's spent his entire professional life in the Nation Football League,
and he joins us. Let's let's start with the news
of the day. Brian Callahan fired as head coach of
the Tennessee Titans. What's your immediate reaction.
Speaker 10 (14:43):
Yeah, I mean I'm not surprised.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
I mean I was.
Speaker 10 (14:46):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
I watched the game yesterday with the Raiders, you know,
because I've got rooting interest in the Raiders. So I
watched that game from beginning to end. And I've remarked
to my wife during the game that, you know, it
was a tough watch. It was just it was an
uncompetitive game. And I just told her, I'm like, like,
this is hard for us to watch it. Can you
imagine if you're a Titan fan. And then when I
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saw the closed after the game by Jeffrey Simmons that
you know that we had a poor week of practice
or poor Thursday practice. The running was kind of on
the wall at that point, which is it's disappointing because
if you watch the game yesterday, you know, it's.
Speaker 10 (15:23):
Hard to know, or actually it's not hard to know,
as I.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
Watched yesterday, is there enough talent out there for them
right now? And there just isn't. If you look on
offense with the have around camboard right now, it's just
not where it needs to be yet. And Calvin really
got hurt in the second quarter. They had a lot
of receivers out there that it almost looked like a
preseason game. So offensive line hasn't played well that that
was supposed to be a strength of theirs, and so
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there just isn't a lot around them right now. So
that's that's the hard part. When you make these moves
and you let the head coach go at the GM,
you got to look at yourself too, like, hey, is
there enough resources right now for us to win out there?
Right now? I don't see it, but you could see
the running on the wall after the game yesterday. You
could kind of feel it coming. Unfortunately, Yeah you could.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Okay, so you know, they hired a new GM who
then hired Callahan. So now I mean, again, as long
as they don't change gms, that GM is going to
make the next higher. What's the process really like?
Speaker 6 (16:27):
Right?
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Like, there's all kinds of assumptions on what it's like.
You've been part of several of these coaching searches with
the Chargers, when you were with the Raiders, that was
already kind of done. What's this process like when it
happens mid season?
Speaker 5 (16:40):
Well, and this is me the mid season. This is
so early. The interesting thing with the Titans is, you
know Ran Carfin was their GM last year. He's the
one who hired Brian Callahan. But with the Titans did
which I really haven't seen this before. When Ran was
the GM, they promoted the assistant GM to president so
basically above Ran, and then that president decided to fire
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Ran Karflin and hire his own GM. So again that's
not typical that you see in the NFL, but.
Speaker 10 (17:11):
I can definitely see with this.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
New regime, with the new president and the new GM,
they probably want their own head coach.
Speaker 10 (17:18):
So there's not much you can.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
Do now other than you're just researching candidates and you've
got a long time to do it. You're gonna have
to be careful because most of these candidates are with
other teams, whether as assistant coaches or head coaches or
at the college level, So a lot of your work
is going to be making some phone calls talking with people,
but obviously not talking direct to any potential coaches. But
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the number one thing is you have to put together
what do we want in this head coach. There's a
lot of different ways to go and kind of put
down a description of Hey, these are the non negotiables
who want in this head coach, these are the things
you would like, and then try and fit the candidates
to that. But you've got to castle why it's not
as possible. There's plenty of time to do their homework
on this, and they'll start interviewing right after the season,
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but this is.
Speaker 10 (18:03):
Just they have a long runway to do this. But
the second part.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
Of this is the talent on the team just has
to be upgraded. They got to have a plan in
place to help this quarterback on offense and get more
talent on defense.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of Tom Telesco. He joins his Tom, I'm sure
you've heard what tuus said in the press conference where
he said, you know, we've guys showing up late for
players only meetings, calling out some of his teammates, and
he talked about the leadership. Well, again, how does that
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land on you? I mean, I know how it lands
on me when you hear it. How does the land.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
I would rather that player come to me and talk
about it and keep it in the house before rather
than not put it out publicly. And I think, just
to get some context here, and obviously I'm not in
their building, I'm.
Speaker 10 (18:53):
Assuming he wasn't talking about like.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
A big, wide ranging all player team meeting. I think
he was probably more talking about the position meetings that
happen amongst players during off time, because, as you know,
as a coach, you can't spend twenty four to seven
with your players.
Speaker 10 (19:07):
You have other duties to do, You have video to watch, you.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
Have coaching meetings to attend. So a lot of times
a position group they may get together post practice just players.
Could be early in the morning, as it could be.
Speaker 10 (19:19):
On a Tuesday's day off, so they meet informally.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
And if this is not happening at the way it
should be, your players are blowing them off. I would
rather that player come to see me or the head
coach and then we'll handle it and we'll go through that,
or the players hands and handle it with the other players.
But I just think when you take it public, you're
taking a problem and just throwing gasoline on it. And
now it's even a bigger problem. So it's something they
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have to handle now in house. But you would have
rather to handle it between the head coach at GM
and the quarterback right public.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
With this, I agree, And it's interesting, right, like he's
a guy who has always faulted on the side of
doing all these little t is kind of extra the
right way, almost trying to believe be politically correct. Why
would he why would he do that? Well, I know
neither of us know. Just hypothesize for a second, Tom,
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why do you think to a tongue of Ailoa whose
coaches under pressure team is not playing well, why do
you think he would say that?
Speaker 5 (20:23):
This would be my hypothesis looking at it, that.
Speaker 10 (20:26):
This has been going on for a really long time.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
He's frustrated, and anytime as a player or as a coach,
when you come off the field after a tough loss
and you're doing a press conference, within ten minutes of
the game ending. Sometimes you say some things that you
normally wouldn't say, And to me, I think I probably
went down that route. I just don't think he went
in that press conference thinking I'm going to talk about
this publicly.
Speaker 10 (20:49):
I'm going to try and get.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
This thing moving this way. I just don't think he
would handle like that. I just think it was a
moment of weakness where he said it, it got out
and are gonna have to deal with it.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Do you think he can? Can you be a quarterback
if like the guys don't trust.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
Him, Well, first of all, I watching him play.
Speaker 10 (21:13):
Watching offense is not the problem. They're moving the ball
pretty well.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
They're scoring points.
Speaker 10 (21:17):
The problem has been on defense.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
They haven't been to stop anybody. So he's been doing
his part. Hasn't been as good as it was a
couple of years ago. No, when they're putting up eye
popping numbers, but they can.
Speaker 10 (21:27):
They're converting at a high number and third down and they're.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
Scoring points on offense. So right now, defensively, they have
to find a way to get stops and that's not
happening now. The quarterback is the leader of the football team.
You're the face the franchise. So there are some things
you have to take on publicly, but no, he's doing
his part as far as this play is concerned.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Stet Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of Tom Telesco. He's former general manager of both
the La Chargers and the Las Vegas Raiders. He joins
us every week year in the program. Okay, Dylan Gabriel
really struggles, right, I mean, you're playing Pittsburgh on the road,
and Pittsburgh defense hasn't been good, but it was good.
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Sacked in six times yesterday, and there seemed to be
some give up in the Browns. What's that coaching staff,
what's that front office thinking in terms of what they're
doing with their quarterback.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
Yeah, they're just in a tough spot right now. That
that was a very challenging matchup for Dylan Gabriel. I
know the Steelers defense hadn't played the way we expected
them to play earlier in the year, but they have
a ton of talent. It's starting to come together.
Speaker 10 (22:34):
The Pittsburgh defense played very well yesterday.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
And the Browns right now, you know, they're not to
the point where they're the Titans as far as talent wise,
but they just don't have enough around that quarterback position.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Yet.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
It didn't matter if it was Joe Flacco playing quarterback
or Dylan Gabriel. There just isn't enough talent around the
team on the quarterback, on the offensive line, and in
some of the skill positions. They're just very young. They
had an awesome draft this year, a big time draft.
These guys are going to be cornerstone player for them,
but it's hard for them all as roopies to play
like veterans this early, so Dylan's in a tough spot.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Now.
Speaker 10 (23:06):
They threw the ball a lot in the game now
they were down.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
So that doesn't contribute it to it. But in reality,
the Browns are still they're still rebuilding, you know, losing
all the draft picks when they had to make the
quarterback trade and now starting to kind of get back
a little bit more cap space, a little bit more
assets in the draft. They have a lot of picks
next year, so they're still building. And right now it
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puts Dylan Gabriel. Gabriel in a tough spot just because
it doesn't have a ton around them to move the football,
but it's something they're going to have to just figure
out a way for the rest of the season.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Drake May. Again, I'm not going to tell you I've
watched the game. I did see a bunch of the highlights,
the numbers three touchdowns and in receptions two sixty one.
Now he's paying the Saints, who are particularly good. But
this is on the back of beating Buffalo in Buffalo.
What's what's what's the GM's I view of Drake May
as a quarterback.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Yeah, he's really starting to take off. It's interesting. In
the draft, he was a bit of a polarizing player
among scouts and coaches. There are some scouts and coaches
that loved them, and there are some scouts and coaches
that didn't think he could play. I thought he'd be
a backup quarterback in the NFL, So I think you
have to look at all the tools that he has.
I got a chance to see him in the Holiday
Bowl when he was a sophomore. They actually UNC played
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against Oregon in the holley Ball in San Diego, and
Drake May put out. He had a great game. He
had a ton of NFL throws.
Speaker 10 (24:30):
Then he came back for his junior year, and you.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Know that people are making some excuses for me. He
didn't have as good a year, wasn't as accurate, didn't
have the same type of team around him, didn't have
the same type of NFL talent he had the year before.
But you can see the size, the athletic ability, the
arm strength, the intangibles, the makeup and the preparation skills,
the accuracy part and decision making had to keep coming along,
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and it has as you get into year two. He
just looked so comfortable in the pocket.
Speaker 10 (24:57):
He's reading the field really well.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
And really, if you look at the Patriots, they don't
have a ton of talent yet they're still building like
some of these other teams that has talked about, they're
still adding talent. But right now he's playing above where
he probably should be at this point of his career.
And then obviously the head coach has really put a
culture in there that that works right now and defense
is playing well. But it's been really fun to watch
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Drake May really take big steps and big strides in
two years.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Stuck gotlig show here on Fox Sports Radio. Tom Telesco
is our guest, what do you make of the research
in Kansas City Chiefs?
Speaker 5 (25:33):
You know, the focus is always on Mahomes, which is understandable,
and the offensive struggle a little bit earlier in the year,
and you just know what Andy Reid like they're going
to get a figured out, and it looks looks like
they have. But to me, the biggest thing is the defense.
The defense has.
Speaker 10 (25:47):
Played extremely well.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
The defense is what has been really the strongest part
of this team the last couple of years. And it
seems like people don't talk about it, but you know,
they get against the Lions, which is, you know, one
of the highest scoring teams in the end fell an
excellent team. Both they have both speed and physicality. I
thought the Casey defense did a tremendous job. They went
on third down, they went on fourth down, they went
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toe to toe with the Lions.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
So I'm not.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
Surprised that the Chiefs, the coaching staff Andy Reeve de Spagnolo,
didn't start off the way they had anticipated, and he
make some adjustments, you start fixing some things, and you know,
we're kind of seeing now this Chiefs team looks pretty
similar to the way the team looked last year when I
finished the year, So we'll see if they can keep
it up. But I thought the defense just played really,
really well yesterday.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
We haven't talked since Thursday Night Football, but in the
surprising results of the year, the Giants thoroughly beating the
Philadelphia Eagles. Is that more about the Giants or about
the Eagles?
Speaker 5 (26:48):
I mean, it's probably got to be both. I mean,
you look at how the Giants played, just the mentality
and the enthusiasm that Jackson Dart brings that Camp Scatibow
brings to the of the team.
Speaker 10 (27:01):
Now, the Giants still have their issues on the offensive line.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
They still have some issues on offense. I think the
Giants defense is very strong and the Eagles are just
going through a tough point right now. They're still trying
to find their identity, which typically has been to lean
on the run game and then you know a lot
of RPOs. You know, throw it when we have to
and kind of get back to what they are.
Speaker 10 (27:22):
They're still going through that transition to having a new coordinator,
so there's there.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
Have to be some patients there. But I think we
even talked about this a couple of weeks ago. This
is where the head coach who has an offensive background,
is where I need to step in and get things
settled down on offense, getting back to what their identity is,
which is the offensive line running the football and then
like letting hurts, you know, move round a little bit,
move the pocket. And they have a lot of weapons
on offense between the tight ends and receivers, but just
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being able to use it correctly. But I was impressed
with the Giants with how they played. I think the
Giants defense is outstanding. I think that's a big part
of it too. But I still think in the end.
Speaker 10 (27:56):
The Eagles are going to figure it out.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
It's just like the Chiefs did. It's just taking them
a little bit of time.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Timmy, The Best Man should be a fun night with
a doubleheader. You got to just about everything we wanted
to get to and we just appreciate it. Sincerely, thanks
so much for being our guests.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
Awesome thanks having me on. Take care of Doug.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
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Let's get to a game with Dan Byer.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Dan, let me ask the question, Yes, what do you
do with Indiana assuming they run the table? I mean
they'll be a in the playoff whatever. Now they have
the Big Ten championship game still right, Yes, so that's
where they'll likely match up with Ohio State likely.
Speaker 6 (29:20):
Sure, football still to be played, but.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
A lot of football will still be played. But they
beat Oregon. They I don't know how good is the league.
Speaker 6 (29:30):
I think the league is is okay. I don't know
on how you can have a strong top to bottom
league when you have eighteen schools in it. I think
you know just six.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Schools, right, okay? But if you the six best schools,
six best schools, are they better than the six best
schools in the SEC?
Speaker 6 (29:53):
Not? Not right now? I gosh if you went if
you went team for team, I think you'd have a showdown.
But you know, like like if you took Ohio State
as the top team, I think they're the best team
in the country, so they'll get better than the SEC's
number one. I think that if you took Indiana and say,
I don't know, put them up against Texas, A and
m or took an Oregon, put them up against A
(30:15):
and m Ole miss or Alabama, I think you could
get a win. I don't think you would.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Shot none not happening.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
Oh here we go SEC bias time because they I'm
a big twelve guy, because they have no the better, because.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
No, the better, the better. And regards to which thing
happened and beat its.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
Actually the problem with they did actually.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Did beat hold On? They did beat Notre Dame at
Notre Dame.
Speaker 6 (30:45):
Correct hold On hold On?
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Yes, Okay, did happen happened this year?
Speaker 9 (30:51):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (30:52):
I would say the differences like Oregan's out of conferences
Oklahoma State, like it's not their fault. Okahma State was
awful this year and they smoked them. You know, obviously
what Ohio State did? Texas well? Honestly, it's awesome. I
have no, we have not arguing that. I think the
Big ten is going to live on the reputation established
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based upon last year, and things changed that quickly. And
when the SEC has a bit of a down year
the way they had last year in the southeastern part
of the United States, what do they do. They don't
pout about it. They go and dig deep and then
go out and buy better players. It is so not close.
How much better the SEC is than everybody else. Ohio
(31:36):
State is the exception. The rest is much more as much.
I think I think Oregon's good. I think they're middle
of the pack SEC. I think Indiana is outstanding really well.
Speaker 6 (31:49):
Oregon is Oklahoma and Missouri and the SEC. Yeah, yes,
I don't agree with that. Okay, you think they're better? Yes,
yes I do. There's I Yeah, I just do.
Speaker 9 (32:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (32:06):
You do you want to yelsa more to try to
get your point across? Or do you want to play
a game? Okay? All right?
Speaker 4 (32:12):
The game today is big deal, little deal, no deal.
Speaker 6 (32:16):
Big deal, A little deal or no deal that Matt
Ruhle said this about the Penn State opening.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
I love Penn State. Met my wife there.
Speaker 6 (32:23):
By the way, not a great start if you're a
Nebraska fan. Okay, just all right, I'm gonna start it over,
but not great right now.
Speaker 11 (32:30):
I love Penn State. Met my wife there. It's Milma
Mater fan. Since I was born. I was born.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
I think probably at a Penn State shirt.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
Okay, still not great, but trust me, Doug, We're going
to get to this.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
It's Milma Mater fan since I was born. I was born.
Speaker 11 (32:46):
I think probably at a Penn State shirt where I
was born. I love pat Craft and really sad, really
sad to see Coach Franklin go.
Speaker 7 (32:55):
Hey, he's like reminiscing about a love that got away.
I loved her, man, I just stop, just stop at
one of them. Just I'm at my wife there, man,
I fell in love there. Man, he did say this
about Nebraska.
Speaker 11 (33:08):
Yeah, I absolutely love it here, and I just wanted
I want us to continue to take the steps needed
for us to turn this thing into a beast, and
players all across the country want to come here with
the best facilities. We have, elite fans, and I'm just
looking at the futures.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
How weird is that going to be? When they play
each other next the last game of the year.
Speaker 6 (33:28):
Yeah right, yeah, awkward, big deal, a little deal of
no deal with what he said today.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
No deal means nothing handled it well means nothing.
Speaker 6 (33:42):
All right, big deal, little dealer, no deal. At North
Carolina head football coach Bill Belichick called the reports of
him working on an exit strategy with school officials as
quote categorically false end quote.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Mmmmm. I think it's a little deal. I don't think
he's leaving after one year. I think it's really hard.
I think he made and we talked about this in
the pod. If you're gonna if you're gonna take a
job and you come from the pros, you almost got
to hire a whole staff to bring their whole team
with you, because when you have a whole new team,
(34:15):
it's just it's just too hard in your first year.
I don't think he's getting out of Dodge, though, because
I don't think there's anywhere else to go. And I
do think he'll build it. I do think that they'll
they'll win more in year two and a lot in
year three.
Speaker 6 (34:28):
Big deal, little deal or no deal. That major League
Baseball in the NFL are having double headers today, huge.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Deal, because like Baseball had a game last night. I
would say a very small percentage of people actually knew that. Right,
So now baseball is going to challenge the beast of
Monday night football with two games. Seems crazy to me,
but we'll see see what the numbers do, see how
much people watch. I mean that the Toronto Seattle game
is going on right now.
Speaker 6 (34:55):
I just think it's it's just the it's the extreme
arrogance of the NFL on having this tonight, because I
don't mind that. Listen, there's another one next week as well,
another Monday night doubleheader that we've got. But my goodness, like,
if you wanted to do it leading up to the playoffs,
(35:15):
that's fine, but at least you know the let baseball
have a little bit of a breathing, all right, the
one finally, Doug big deal, little deal or no deal.
That Purdue is ranked number one for the first time
ever in the preseason AP Top twenty five men's college
basketball poll.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Seems like a big deal. I mean, they've had some
pretty good players there. Guy named John Wooden was a
Hall of Famer there, right, they had the big doll Robinson. Uh, obviously,
everybody loves Braden Smith, the senior point guard who does
feel like he's been there forever. But for Purdue, as
much as I think Matt Painter might have the best
program in the country preseason, number one is it doesn't
mean anything, but it does mean something to I think
(35:52):
to Purdue, it's a tip of the cap to what they.
Speaker 6 (35:53):
Built there, and that is game time.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
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and we're fired at what an amazing time of year,
What an amazing time of year. Lots of firings or retirings.
(00:44):
You might have heard from Dan Byer, like probably the
least discussed retirement firing. Whatever's Mike Schilt. I don't believe
for one second that he, by the way retired today. Sorry,
I mean listen. I want to get to Brian Callahan,
I want to get to James Franklin. But I mean listen.
(01:07):
I reserve the right to be wrong. I reserve the
right to be wrong. If he wants to spend more
time with his family, baseball does not really allow that.
If he has something an illness or older, like a
parent who's sick, you want to spend I can't really
argue with that, but dude, what fifty seven years old
(01:29):
and he manages in San Diego and they by all accounts,
most people think they've underachieved in the playoffs the past
two years. I would take the A got to the
playoffs past two years, but consider how much money they spent,
the swagger they played with, and the fact that they
were up two games to one of the Dodgers and
the Dodgers boat raced him. And then you know, this
year they get beat by the Cubs, don't even get
(01:50):
to face the Dodgers. I think there was that was
a that was the mutual party of ways. And then
you have Brian Callahan who's fired by the Titans. That
one's a case of two things right, and it happens
all the time when we have these first round draft
pick quarterbacks. Now. I don't know if Callahan knows what
(02:12):
he's doing. I do know that they weren't particularly competitive
for the most part this season. I think the crazy
part about it is, you know, you draft a rookie,
you're not gonna be great. But they did just beat
the Cardinals last week, but shut out by the Texans,
smoked by the Colts, beaten badly by the Rams. You know,
(02:35):
Rams and Colts at home. I think we knew where
this one was going. And the general manager that hired
him no longer works for the team. So when you
don't have somebody to have your back, when you're going
through a really hard season and you got a rookie quarterback,
this is what happens. But I think it's fascinating. Here
(02:57):
we are six games into an NFL season and we
have a coaching firing and they're one in five and
it doesn't feel like it's going good. And that one
makes sense to me because the Titans could have a bump.
Do I think they're making the playoffs? I don't. But
they still have the Saints at home, They still have
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the Jags at home. They still have the Texans at home,
Chargers at home, Seahawks at home, Chiefs at home. They
got to go to the Niners. Not for a while,
but the Niners are all banged up, Browns aren't particularly good.
There's some potential wins on that schedule. The juxtaposition of
the the juxtaposition of the NFL game and the college
(03:43):
game could not be more stark. In contrast, we had
more coaching firings over the weekend, most notably James Franklin
and why I understand Brian Brian Callahan and this has happened. Right,
You draft a rookie quarterback and the expectations are that
you're all gonna achieve something awesome, and it rarely happens.
(04:03):
In year one, they brew them, they bring in a
new coach in year two, and away how do they go.
I don't know if that's what happens with the Bears,
but that's what happened with the Bears. That's what happens
with a lot of places. James Franklin gets fired after
they lose to Northwestern by a point, this, of course,
when they were twenty point plus favorite against Northwestern, following
(04:25):
up being a twenty six point favorite on the road
at UCLA, following up a tough close loss to Oregon
at home. I think the Callahan firing, while nothing to celebrate,
is reasonable. I think that James Franklin firing, especially at
this point in the season, is utterly and completely and
(04:48):
terribly ridiculous. But that's where we are with college sports.
This is why I say college sports, it's not professional sports.
It's amateur hour for professional sports, amateur hour for professional sports.
(05:09):
Because what did Penn State actually do by firing their
head coach?
Speaker 3 (05:15):
What do you do?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
They waved the white flag on the season and said
this thing's over now. They did just pass a new
rule where with the NCAA where you can't go into
the portal like you used to be, Like when I
got the job a year and a half ago, or
not even a year and a half ago. Players automatically
(05:39):
get the first thirty days in the portal, whether the
portals open or not open, right, And that's happened with
all these other schools. They just changed the rule where
now it's fifteen days of free open portaling, but only
after the new coach is hired. Here's the way it
really works in college athletics. They can make whatever rules
they want. If a kid wants to go in the
portal now, he'll go into the portal now. And if
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the NCAA holds it up, they're like, you can't pass
a rule, you know mid season when other players have
been able to go into the portal after their coach
is fired, that won't stand up in court. Everybody knows it.
The point is, you've just led a match to your
program in the middle of the season. Lit in the match,
and it may not feel good with Drew Aller getting
(06:24):
hurt and having backups and being a preseason top ten team. Heck,
you were top five of the country going back two
weeks ago. It doesn't feel good. But have you seen
what's happened to my own water? The only thing that
people are pumped up about with Oklahoma State football is
a bunch of kids went shirtless and went to one
(06:45):
section and they tried to have set some fake world
record for most shirtless people in a section. That's it.
That's what the football games have become. Next weekend's homecoming.
Who's gonna go to that? Who's gonna go to it?
When three of your top players have put themselves in
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the portal. The players all know they won't be there
next year. The coaches all know they won't be there
next year. Like for a week, it's kind of fun, right.
If you fire a guy before the last week of
the season, the interim coach can, Hey, let's run some
trick plays, Let's have some fun. Let's just go out
there and see what we got. Let's let our hang,
if you will. Brian Callahan's one and five, and it's
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very unlikely, very unlikely that that season will flip. But
there is still the idea of you can flip it.
Maybe get in the playoffs. Probably not. Maybe makes a
little bit more sense because he got a different gentlemen sature.
But the players can't leave. All the players are gone
at Penn State. All the players are gone at Oregon State,
all the players are gone at Oklahoma State. All the
players are gone at UCLA, even though they're winning. You
(07:57):
have quit on the student athlete. And don't tell me
that the student athlete experience is important to you when
you fire their head coach six games in the season. Right,
they still got to go to Iowa, still got to
go Ohio State. Indiana comes in, who looks like world
beaters that rank third in the country. Go to Michigan State,
(08:20):
Nebraska at home. I asked a crazy hard schedule. What
was the win in firing James Franklin today?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (08:30):
You didn't get ahead of anybody trying to hire Matt Ruhle. Right,
all you did was you you showed your hand to Nebraska,
which they might have thought anyway, but you showed your
hand in Nebraska where down Nebraska has until probably December
to figure out how we can keep our coach, if
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we want to keep our coach, he said. Penn State
alum is the Ada Penn State. It's one of his
closest friends. So the juxtaposition of two different firings, one
in the pros Brian Callahan kind of makes sense. You know,
he was along for the ride with the Bengals when
they went to the Super Bowl. He did a good
job there, but he has him been a head coach
(09:12):
with James Franklin. And I know everybody likes to point
out that James Franklin doesn't beat ranked teams. But James
Franklin's Penn State Nadney Lions. They won two games in
the playoffs last year, did they not? Those are big games?
Who cares about the number of the rankings next to you?
So you're allowed to pay a guy forty nine million dollars,
(09:36):
not coach. You're allowed to fire a guy whenever you want,
as long as you pay him that money and you
treat him with dignity. But you've quit on an entire
football program. You've lit a match and you've done so
six games into a season. Yes, they fire coaches in
the NFL not as often, and the players can't leave,
(09:58):
and they won't leave in the offseason unless they're not
under contract. It's a completely different deal. Please stop telling
me this is the professional sports when it's amateur hour
in the decision making, because ask yourself, honestly, if aler
would have thrown the ball on third down and gotten
the first down when he broke his ankle, or he
would have scrambled for it and got it, or they
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would have found away on fourth down had he not
gotten hurt, and they kick a field goal and win
the game, and they're four and two. You don't fire him,
so you fire him over one loss. Again, you can
fire him if you want. It's fine. He gets forty
nine million dollars. Everybody has to move. You started a program.
Why in the middle of the season. How does that
make sense. Nobody's explained that to me, and nobody can
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explain it to me because everybody knows it doesn't make
any sense.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
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Speaker 2 (10:52):
App Stut gott Leeb show here on Fox Sports Radio.
I don't know if we've had this discussion yet it
but maybe we should. If you listen to the podcast,
you're like, I don't know what song you're talking about.
But if you're not listening to podcast, if you're listening
to the radio show, uh, that song by what do
(11:17):
you know? What do you know that song from? Or
do you not know that song?
Speaker 5 (11:20):
No?
Speaker 6 (11:21):
I know this song? Is it? Who is it? Rusted Root?
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Is that? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (11:29):
I don't I don't know what movie it's from or
it was.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
In Sam Well.
Speaker 7 (11:34):
It looks like it was maybe a central theme song
of Party of five because oh, I never saw a
party party Google Ai added again, No, it says it's
uh because it's the ice Age YouTube.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Ice Age is what ice Age is what I remember
that that song was.
Speaker 7 (11:50):
No, I'm on YouTube and and the song has a
backdrop of Party of five, So I'm guessing that was
like one of their their theme songs.
Speaker 6 (11:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (11:57):
I don't know which one is more to blame in
this exchange, because we had this exact conversation three weeks
ago on the air and Sam was told in that
moment it was ice age, yet he's still googling it.
So I never fell dug in these situations. It's Groundhog
Day every day with Doug. But Sam should know better.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
See here's the thing, Jason, that I've mastered. I've mastered
the art of not assuming that people were listening three
weeks ago. Right, So you got to act like you're surprised,
or you got to act like it's a new question
when it is clearly not. Tom Delesco will join us
after we get an update from Dan Byer. But Tommy's
(12:35):
former team was the Chargers. He was the GM for
eleven years and one of those games where you felt
like they were the better team. They struggled to stop Miami,
but gave up a score late, marched down the field
and it did feel like they were charging again, did
it not, Jase Doo?
Speaker 8 (12:56):
Yeah, my argument is that they did charge it, But
I'm going to save it for my hate.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Okay, we'll get to love and hate top of the hour. Anyway,
justin Herbert under pressure, looked like he was gonna get sacked,
kind of sheds a tackler, throws it to Ladd McConkie.
Lad McConkey does the rest, gets Hm into the field
goal range. They run the ball a couple of times,
kick a field, go win the game, and Jim and
Jim Harbaugh says this.
Speaker 9 (13:17):
That play would be burning my mind for till they
throw dirt over top of me. Justin Herbert back to
throw the defender wrapped around him. You know he's able
to just a mighty man it and shake it off
and hit Ladd McConkie. Ladd does his stop fly by
and starts starts getting that necessary yardage, and here comes
(13:38):
Zion Johnson flying ahead of Ladd. I mean, just the
type of type of effort, the type of you know,
the want to you know, the the great desire to win.
He gets that block shielded and you know there's another
twenty another twenty yards. Yeah, I'm gonna remember that play
(13:59):
till they throw dirt over.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Top of me.
Speaker 9 (14:00):
That's how great I feel about feel about that.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Just Herbert special, special player. And after a two game
losing streak, they survived from charging. We'll hear more on
that when Jason Stewart extracts his pound of flesh in
Love and Hate, top of the Hour, it's the Doug
Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. He joins us
every week, and uh, there's there's no better kind of
voice of reason than the guy for the last twelve
(14:25):
years been the jo manager of the Chargers and the Raiders.
He's Tim Telesco.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
He's spent his entire professional life in the Nation Football League,
and he joins us. Let's let's start with the news
of the day. Brian Callahan fired as head coach of
the Tennessee Titans. What's your immediate reaction.
Speaker 10 (14:43):
Yeah, I mean I'm not surprised.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
I mean I was.
Speaker 10 (14:46):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
I watched the game yesterday with the Raiders, you know,
because I've got rooting interest in the Raiders. So I
watched that game from beginning to end. And I've remarked
to my wife during the game that, you know, it
was a tough watch. It was just it was an
uncompetitive game. And I just told her, I'm like, like,
this is hard for us to watch it. Can you
imagine if you're a Titan fan. And then when I
(15:07):
saw the closed after the game by Jeffrey Simmons that
you know that we had a poor week of practice
or poor Thursday practice. The running was kind of on
the wall at that point, which is it's disappointing because
if you watch the game yesterday, you know, it's.
Speaker 10 (15:23):
Hard to know, or actually it's not hard to know,
as I.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
Watched yesterday, is there enough talent out there for them
right now? And there just isn't. If you look on
offense with the have around camboard right now, it's just
not where it needs to be yet. And Calvin really
got hurt in the second quarter. They had a lot
of receivers out there that it almost looked like a
preseason game. So offensive line hasn't played well that that
was supposed to be a strength of theirs, and so
(15:48):
there just isn't a lot around them right now. So
that's that's the hard part. When you make these moves
and you let the head coach go at the GM,
you got to look at yourself too, like, hey, is
there enough resources right now for us to win out there?
Right now? I don't see it, but you could see
the running on the wall after the game yesterday. You
could kind of feel it coming. Unfortunately, Yeah you could.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Okay, so you know, they hired a new GM who
then hired Callahan. So now I mean, again, as long
as they don't change gms, that GM is going to
make the next higher. What's the process really like?
Speaker 6 (16:27):
Right?
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Like, there's all kinds of assumptions on what it's like.
You've been part of several of these coaching searches with
the Chargers, when you were with the Raiders, that was
already kind of done. What's this process like when it
happens mid season?
Speaker 5 (16:40):
Well, and this is me the mid season. This is
so early. The interesting thing with the Titans is, you
know Ran Carfin was their GM last year. He's the
one who hired Brian Callahan. But with the Titans did
which I really haven't seen this before. When Ran was
the GM, they promoted the assistant GM to president so
basically above Ran, and then that president decided to fire
(17:02):
Ran Karflin and hire his own GM. So again that's
not typical that you see in the NFL, but.
Speaker 10 (17:11):
I can definitely see with this.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
New regime, with the new president and the new GM,
they probably want their own head coach.
Speaker 10 (17:18):
So there's not much you can.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
Do now other than you're just researching candidates and you've
got a long time to do it. You're gonna have
to be careful because most of these candidates are with
other teams, whether as assistant coaches or head coaches or
at the college level, So a lot of your work
is going to be making some phone calls talking with people,
but obviously not talking direct to any potential coaches. But
(17:40):
the number one thing is you have to put together
what do we want in this head coach. There's a
lot of different ways to go and kind of put
down a description of Hey, these are the non negotiables
who want in this head coach, these are the things
you would like, and then try and fit the candidates
to that. But you've got to castle why it's not
as possible. There's plenty of time to do their homework
on this, and they'll start interviewing right after the season,
(18:02):
but this is.
Speaker 10 (18:03):
Just they have a long runway to do this. But
the second part.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
Of this is the talent on the team just has
to be upgraded. They got to have a plan in
place to help this quarterback on offense and get more
talent on defense.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of Tom Telesco. He joins his Tom, I'm sure
you've heard what tuus said in the press conference where
he said, you know, we've guys showing up late for
players only meetings, calling out some of his teammates, and
he talked about the leadership. Well, again, how does that
(18:37):
land on you? I mean, I know how it lands
on me when you hear it. How does the land.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
I would rather that player come to me and talk
about it and keep it in the house before rather
than not put it out publicly. And I think, just
to get some context here, and obviously I'm not in
their building, I'm.
Speaker 10 (18:53):
Assuming he wasn't talking about like.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
A big, wide ranging all player team meeting. I think
he was probably more talking about the position meetings that
happen amongst players during off time, because, as you know,
as a coach, you can't spend twenty four to seven
with your players.
Speaker 10 (19:07):
You have other duties to do, You have video to watch, you.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
Have coaching meetings to attend. So a lot of times
a position group they may get together post practice just players.
Could be early in the morning, as it could be.
Speaker 10 (19:19):
On a Tuesday's day off, so they meet informally.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
And if this is not happening at the way it
should be, your players are blowing them off. I would
rather that player come to see me or the head
coach and then we'll handle it and we'll go through that,
or the players hands and handle it with the other players.
But I just think when you take it public, you're
taking a problem and just throwing gasoline on it. And
now it's even a bigger problem. So it's something they
(19:45):
have to handle now in house. But you would have
rather to handle it between the head coach at GM
and the quarterback right public.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
With this, I agree, And it's interesting, right, like he's
a guy who has always faulted on the side of
doing all these little t is kind of extra the
right way, almost trying to believe be politically correct. Why
would he why would he do that? Well, I know
neither of us know. Just hypothesize for a second, Tom,
(20:13):
why do you think to a tongue of Ailoa whose
coaches under pressure team is not playing well, why do
you think he would say that?
Speaker 5 (20:23):
This would be my hypothesis looking at it, that.
Speaker 10 (20:26):
This has been going on for a really long time.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
He's frustrated, and anytime as a player or as a coach,
when you come off the field after a tough loss
and you're doing a press conference, within ten minutes of
the game ending. Sometimes you say some things that you
normally wouldn't say, And to me, I think I probably
went down that route. I just don't think he went
in that press conference thinking I'm going to talk about
this publicly.
Speaker 10 (20:49):
I'm going to try and get.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
This thing moving this way. I just don't think he
would handle like that. I just think it was a
moment of weakness where he said it, it got out
and are gonna have to deal with it.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Do you think he can? Can you be a quarterback
if like the guys don't trust.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
Him, Well, first of all, I watching him play.
Speaker 10 (21:13):
Watching offense is not the problem. They're moving the ball
pretty well.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
They're scoring points.
Speaker 10 (21:17):
The problem has been on defense.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
They haven't been to stop anybody. So he's been doing
his part. Hasn't been as good as it was a
couple of years ago. No, when they're putting up eye
popping numbers, but they can.
Speaker 10 (21:27):
They're converting at a high number and third down and they're.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
Scoring points on offense. So right now, defensively, they have
to find a way to get stops and that's not
happening now. The quarterback is the leader of the football team.
You're the face the franchise. So there are some things
you have to take on publicly, but no, he's doing
his part as far as this play is concerned.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Stet Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of Tom Telesco. He's former general manager of both
the La Chargers and the Las Vegas Raiders. He joins
us every week year in the program. Okay, Dylan Gabriel
really struggles, right, I mean, you're playing Pittsburgh on the road,
and Pittsburgh defense hasn't been good, but it was good.
(22:09):
Sacked in six times yesterday, and there seemed to be
some give up in the Browns. What's that coaching staff,
what's that front office thinking in terms of what they're
doing with their quarterback.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
Yeah, they're just in a tough spot right now. That
that was a very challenging matchup for Dylan Gabriel. I
know the Steelers defense hadn't played the way we expected
them to play earlier in the year, but they have
a ton of talent. It's starting to come together.
Speaker 10 (22:34):
The Pittsburgh defense played very well yesterday.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
And the Browns right now, you know, they're not to
the point where they're the Titans as far as talent wise,
but they just don't have enough around that quarterback position.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Yet.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
It didn't matter if it was Joe Flacco playing quarterback
or Dylan Gabriel. There just isn't enough talent around the
team on the quarterback, on the offensive line, and in
some of the skill positions. They're just very young. They
had an awesome draft this year, a big time draft.
These guys are going to be cornerstone player for them,
but it's hard for them all as roopies to play
like veterans this early, so Dylan's in a tough spot.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Now.
Speaker 10 (23:06):
They threw the ball a lot in the game now
they were down.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
So that doesn't contribute it to it. But in reality,
the Browns are still they're still rebuilding, you know, losing
all the draft picks when they had to make the
quarterback trade and now starting to kind of get back
a little bit more cap space, a little bit more
assets in the draft. They have a lot of picks
next year, so they're still building. And right now it
(23:30):
puts Dylan Gabriel. Gabriel in a tough spot just because
it doesn't have a ton around them to move the football,
but it's something they're going to have to just figure
out a way for the rest of the season.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Drake May. Again, I'm not going to tell you I've
watched the game. I did see a bunch of the highlights,
the numbers three touchdowns and in receptions two sixty one.
Now he's paying the Saints, who are particularly good. But
this is on the back of beating Buffalo in Buffalo.
What's what's what's the GM's I view of Drake May
as a quarterback.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Yeah, he's really starting to take off. It's interesting. In
the draft, he was a bit of a polarizing player
among scouts and coaches. There are some scouts and coaches
that loved them, and there are some scouts and coaches
that didn't think he could play. I thought he'd be
a backup quarterback in the NFL, So I think you
have to look at all the tools that he has.
I got a chance to see him in the Holiday
Bowl when he was a sophomore. They actually UNC played
(24:22):
against Oregon in the holley Ball in San Diego, and
Drake May put out. He had a great game. He
had a ton of NFL throws.
Speaker 10 (24:30):
Then he came back for his junior year, and you.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Know that people are making some excuses for me. He
didn't have as good a year, wasn't as accurate, didn't
have the same type of team around him, didn't have
the same type of NFL talent he had the year before.
But you can see the size, the athletic ability, the
arm strength, the intangibles, the makeup and the preparation skills,
the accuracy part and decision making had to keep coming along,
(24:52):
and it has as you get into year two. He
just looked so comfortable in the pocket.
Speaker 10 (24:57):
He's reading the field really well.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
And really, if you look at the Patriots, they don't
have a ton of talent yet they're still building like
some of these other teams that has talked about, they're
still adding talent. But right now he's playing above where
he probably should be at this point of his career.
And then obviously the head coach has really put a
culture in there that that works right now and defense
is playing well. But it's been really fun to watch
(25:20):
Drake May really take big steps and big strides in
two years.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Stuck gotlig show here on Fox Sports Radio. Tom Telesco
is our guest, what do you make of the research
in Kansas City Chiefs?
Speaker 5 (25:33):
You know, the focus is always on Mahomes, which is understandable,
and the offensive struggle a little bit earlier in the year,
and you just know what Andy Reid like they're going
to get a figured out, and it looks looks like
they have. But to me, the biggest thing is the defense.
The defense has.
Speaker 10 (25:47):
Played extremely well.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
The defense is what has been really the strongest part
of this team the last couple of years. And it
seems like people don't talk about it, but you know,
they get against the Lions, which is, you know, one
of the highest scoring teams in the end fell an
excellent team. Both they have both speed and physicality. I
thought the Casey defense did a tremendous job. They went
on third down, they went on fourth down, they went
(26:10):
toe to toe with the Lions.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
So I'm not.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
Surprised that the Chiefs, the coaching staff Andy Reeve de Spagnolo,
didn't start off the way they had anticipated, and he
make some adjustments, you start fixing some things, and you know,
we're kind of seeing now this Chiefs team looks pretty
similar to the way the team looked last year when I
finished the year, So we'll see if they can keep
it up. But I thought the defense just played really,
really well yesterday.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
We haven't talked since Thursday Night Football, but in the
surprising results of the year, the Giants thoroughly beating the
Philadelphia Eagles. Is that more about the Giants or about
the Eagles?
Speaker 5 (26:48):
I mean, it's probably got to be both. I mean,
you look at how the Giants played, just the mentality
and the enthusiasm that Jackson Dart brings that Camp Scatibow
brings to the of the team.
Speaker 10 (27:01):
Now, the Giants still have their issues on the offensive line.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
They still have some issues on offense. I think the
Giants defense is very strong and the Eagles are just
going through a tough point right now. They're still trying
to find their identity, which typically has been to lean
on the run game and then you know a lot
of RPOs. You know, throw it when we have to
and kind of get back to what they are.
Speaker 10 (27:22):
They're still going through that transition to having a new coordinator,
so there's there.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
Have to be some patients there. But I think we
even talked about this a couple of weeks ago. This
is where the head coach who has an offensive background,
is where I need to step in and get things
settled down on offense, getting back to what their identity is,
which is the offensive line running the football and then
like letting hurts, you know, move round a little bit,
move the pocket. And they have a lot of weapons
on offense between the tight ends and receivers, but just
(27:47):
being able to use it correctly. But I was impressed
with the Giants with how they played. I think the
Giants defense is outstanding. I think that's a big part
of it too. But I still think in the end.
Speaker 10 (27:56):
The Eagles are going to figure it out.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
It's just like the Chiefs did. It's just taking them
a little bit of time.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Timmy, The Best Man should be a fun night with
a doubleheader. You got to just about everything we wanted
to get to and we just appreciate it. Sincerely, thanks
so much for being our guests.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
Awesome thanks having me on. Take care of Doug.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
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Let's get to a game with Dan Byer.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Dan, let me ask the question, Yes, what do you
do with Indiana assuming they run the table? I mean
they'll be a in the playoff whatever. Now they have
the Big Ten championship game still right, Yes, so that's
where they'll likely match up with Ohio State likely.
Speaker 6 (29:20):
Sure, football still to be played, but.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
A lot of football will still be played. But they
beat Oregon. They I don't know how good is the league.
Speaker 6 (29:30):
I think the league is is okay. I don't know
on how you can have a strong top to bottom
league when you have eighteen schools in it. I think
you know just six.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Schools, right, okay? But if you the six best schools,
six best schools, are they better than the six best
schools in the SEC?
Speaker 6 (29:53):
Not? Not right now? I gosh if you went if
you went team for team, I think you'd have a showdown.
But you know, like like if you took Ohio State
as the top team, I think they're the best team
in the country, so they'll get better than the SEC's
number one. I think that if you took Indiana and say,
I don't know, put them up against Texas, A and
m or took an Oregon, put them up against A
(30:15):
and m Ole miss or Alabama, I think you could
get a win. I don't think you would.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Shot none not happening.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
Oh here we go SEC bias time because they I'm
a big twelve guy, because they have no the better, because.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
No, the better, the better. And regards to which thing
happened and beat its.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
Actually the problem with they did actually.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Did beat hold On? They did beat Notre Dame at
Notre Dame.
Speaker 6 (30:45):
Correct hold On hold On?
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Yes, Okay, did happen happened this year?
Speaker 9 (30:51):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (30:52):
I would say the differences like Oregan's out of conferences
Oklahoma State, like it's not their fault. Okahma State was
awful this year and they smoked them. You know, obviously
what Ohio State did? Texas well? Honestly, it's awesome. I
have no, we have not arguing that. I think the
Big ten is going to live on the reputation established
(31:14):
based upon last year, and things changed that quickly. And
when the SEC has a bit of a down year
the way they had last year in the southeastern part
of the United States, what do they do. They don't
pout about it. They go and dig deep and then
go out and buy better players. It is so not close.
How much better the SEC is than everybody else. Ohio
(31:36):
State is the exception. The rest is much more as much.
I think I think Oregon's good. I think they're middle
of the pack SEC. I think Indiana is outstanding really well.
Speaker 6 (31:49):
Oregon is Oklahoma and Missouri and the SEC. Yeah, yes,
I don't agree with that. Okay, you think they're better? Yes,
yes I do. There's I Yeah, I just do.
Speaker 9 (32:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (32:06):
You do you want to yelsa more to try to
get your point across? Or do you want to play
a game? Okay? All right?
Speaker 4 (32:12):
The game today is big deal, little deal, no deal.
Speaker 6 (32:16):
Big deal, A little deal or no deal that Matt
Ruhle said this about the Penn State opening.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
I love Penn State. Met my wife there.
Speaker 6 (32:23):
By the way, not a great start if you're a
Nebraska fan. Okay, just all right, I'm gonna start it over,
but not great right now.
Speaker 11 (32:30):
I love Penn State. Met my wife there. It's Milma
Mater fan. Since I was born. I was born.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
I think probably at a Penn State shirt.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
Okay, still not great, but trust me, Doug, We're going
to get to this.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
It's Milma Mater fan since I was born. I was born.
Speaker 11 (32:46):
I think probably at a Penn State shirt where I
was born. I love pat Craft and really sad, really
sad to see Coach Franklin go.
Speaker 7 (32:55):
Hey, he's like reminiscing about a love that got away.
I loved her, man, I just stop, just stop at
one of them. Just I'm at my wife there, man,
I fell in love there. Man, he did say this
about Nebraska.
Speaker 11 (33:08):
Yeah, I absolutely love it here, and I just wanted
I want us to continue to take the steps needed
for us to turn this thing into a beast, and
players all across the country want to come here with
the best facilities. We have, elite fans, and I'm just
looking at the futures.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
How weird is that going to be? When they play
each other next the last game of the year.
Speaker 6 (33:28):
Yeah right, yeah, awkward, big deal, a little deal of
no deal with what he said today.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
No deal means nothing handled it well means nothing.
Speaker 6 (33:42):
All right, big deal, little dealer, no deal. At North
Carolina head football coach Bill Belichick called the reports of
him working on an exit strategy with school officials as
quote categorically false end quote.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Mmmmm. I think it's a little deal. I don't think
he's leaving after one year. I think it's really hard.
I think he made and we talked about this in
the pod. If you're gonna if you're gonna take a
job and you come from the pros, you almost got
to hire a whole staff to bring their whole team
with you, because when you have a whole new team,
(34:15):
it's just it's just too hard in your first year.
I don't think he's getting out of Dodge, though, because
I don't think there's anywhere else to go. And I
do think he'll build it. I do think that they'll
they'll win more in year two and a lot in
year three.
Speaker 6 (34:28):
Big deal, little deal or no deal. That major League
Baseball in the NFL are having double headers today, huge.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Deal, because like Baseball had a game last night. I
would say a very small percentage of people actually knew that. Right,
So now baseball is going to challenge the beast of
Monday night football with two games. Seems crazy to me,
but we'll see see what the numbers do, see how
much people watch. I mean that the Toronto Seattle game
is going on right now.
Speaker 6 (34:55):
I just think it's it's just the it's the extreme
arrogance of the NFL on having this tonight, because I
don't mind that. Listen, there's another one next week as well,
another Monday night doubleheader that we've got. But my goodness, like,
if you wanted to do it leading up to the playoffs,
(35:15):
that's fine, but at least you know the let baseball
have a little bit of a breathing, all right, the
one finally, Doug big deal, little deal or no deal.
That Purdue is ranked number one for the first time
ever in the preseason AP Top twenty five men's college
basketball poll.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Seems like a big deal. I mean, they've had some
pretty good players there. Guy named John Wooden was a
Hall of Famer there, right, they had the big doll Robinson. Uh, obviously,
everybody loves Braden Smith, the senior point guard who does
feel like he's been there forever. But for Purdue, as
much as I think Matt Painter might have the best
program in the country preseason, number one is it doesn't
mean anything, but it does mean something to I think
(35:52):
to Purdue, it's a tip of the cap to what they.
Speaker 6 (35:53):
Built there, and that is game time.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
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Speaker 2 (36:02):
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