October 19, 2018 • 47 mins
Doug reacts to LeBron's first regular season game as a Laker and what he's doing now that he's never done before in his career. He also points out what has made Dak Prescott and the Cowboys successful and how they can remain in the playoff hunt. Hall of Famer and MLB on FOX Analyst John Smoltz joins the show to talk about the Red Sox advancing to the World Series and what to expect in the NLCS between the Dodgers and Brewers.
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What Up America? Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio Today,
coming to you from Atlanta, Georgia, on my way to Clemson,
South Carolina. Man, I am, I'm fired up. I made
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a it was a tough call, and I think I
may have made the wrong call. I don't know. My
son's nine years old. A couple of years ago, we
watched the Clemson Louisville game. You probably remember when Lamar
Jackson took Louisville in there and second half you played well.
They came back, nearly won the game, and Deshaun Watson
end up putting their thumb on him and winning late. Um.
But my son, at the time, he fell in love
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with Howard's Rock and the Entrance. I thought ESPN did
a great job kind of telling the story of it.
And I do some work for a company called Stadium
Uh if you know about Stadium Sports. You can watch
it online on Twitter and Twitch, and I believe on Facebook.
I've done basketball games for him. Tomorrow will be doing
a college football show. Eric would former offensive lineman Louisville
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Buffalo Bills, you remember him, and C. J. Spiller of course,
former NFL running back, also former Bill and uh, former
Clemson Tiger. What we're doing just kind of all, you know,
completely live one hour talking about college college football from
Clemson South Carolina, and then I'll walk over to the
game and watch him rub Howard's rock and they're taking
on undefeated NC State club. That'll be a ton of fun.
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So what I remember is and so I chose not
to bring my son. And it was a tough call
because what made missed two days of school or one
day of school whatever, not that big a deal when
you're nine years old, right, you had a sub yesterday.
I didn't even know they got like a party today.
Who knows, um, But I do think there'll be another opportunity.
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I remember my dad told me a couple of things
that still resonate with me today, and like going to Clemson,
I remember him telling me there's actually Paw Prince on
the highway leading to the stadium. I thought that was cool.
Another thing my dad taught me was he was a
basketball coach since the day he finished college, getting his
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master's degree at Columbia University, went to Ohio State, got
a degree, and then went to Columbia University and got
a master's degree. And he had to get a master's
to be a high school coach. At the times high
school coach became a college coach, got fired Long Beach State,
got bounced around professional basketball and minor league level, and
he started his own business with my mom. My mom's
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an interior designer. And I remember him telling me that said, listen,
once you work for yourself, you'll never want to work
for anybody else. That resonated with me right I was
thinking about the Clemson diary. I was saying, once you
work for yourself, you never want to work for anybody else.
So I watched Lebron James last night, and I understand
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that he's technically working for Genie Buss and for Magic
Johnson and for Rob Polinka and frankly for Luke Walton.
But but the ownership that he has taken in the
rebuilding of the Lakers franchise. And there's a bunch that
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has been discussed. Is Lebron to Hollywood? Are there too
many things? I look, it's a heavy load. It's a
heavy burden, and we can tackle that. We can discuss that.
But if you watch the game, if you listen to
the game, if you observed the leadership that he has shown,
if you know like I do, um, the kind of
inside details about how he's trying to shape the thing
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to the image that he thinks is the best and
most sustainable, you understand that he's taking ownership. This is
he's working for himself. Look, Lebron James says, He's worked
for pet Riley Um, He's worked for for the Cleveland Cavaliers,
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and he's never really taken ownership over other decisions. Has
he encouraged the organization based upon things he said and
things that he's done in the way that he's acted, Yes,
but ownership that's different. Take a listen to this clip
last night early in the game. We got to any
time you feel anytime falling out up. I want this
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to be a brotherhood, a family, a different sort of organization,
and this is what we're going to do. Lebron is
very smart, he is incredibly strategic, and he has his
own production company. He's already worked for himself. He will
never want to work for anybody else. And so I
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understand this thought that it's a wasted year. No, it's not.
The hard truth about the Lakers and what they're doing
is that they know they couldn't win a championship this year.
Lebron frankly knew he couldn't win a championship if he
stayed in Cleveland. So the idea that it was a
bad decision because either they lost a game or they
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ultimately won't win a championship, that's only telling the hard
truth to fans, which is, hey, guess what, even if
you have Lebron James every year, you can't win a championship.
Even at thirty four, every year, you could win a
championship because the Celtics are better, and because the Warriors
are better, and frankly, the Rockets in the Thunder, because
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of their experience together as well as their talent, they're
probably better. So whatever else was left for him, be
at Philadelphia, staying in Cleveland, or coming out to the Lakers,
or playing in tim Buck two. This is actually the
best possible option. And additionally, and more importantly, the way
to completely engage Lebron in the process, to not lose
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him to Hollywood, to not lose him to his family,
is to give him a chunk of ownership. If you listen,
I have a all basketball podcast is called All ball Um.
Two weeks ago, we had Iran ga Knot. He's the
head coach at Hawaii. When we took over Hawaii's program,
they ran workouts at six in the morning or seven
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in the morning Hawaiian time. And after a month, the
coaches stopped showing up and they let the players have
ownership of it. I had Randy Bennett on who this
past week. We just dropped it yesterday. Randy said, head
coach at St. Mary's where Iran came from. And this
is one of his fellow spies, which is let the
players have ownership of their program. That's what Lebron is doing.
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It doesn't mean that Lebron's coaching, doesn't mean Lebron is
making every business decision or making every free agency pick. Up,
but he is sculpting and remaking this team in the
image that he most wants it to be creating. It
is his likeness. He's starting his own business. He's working
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for himself because as my dad told me thirty five
years ago, thirty years ago, once you work for yourself,
you're never gonna want to work for anybody else. And
Lebron James has gotten a taste of that and what
he does in the private sector, and that's what he's
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trying to do working in the NBA. He doesn't own
the Lakers, he doesn't run the Lakers, he doesn't coach
the Lakers, but he doesn't work in reality for the Lakers.
He works for Lebron James, Inc. And if you watch
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how he's playing and watch how the team's evolving, I
think you get a sense that's exactly he's trying to
create in an image that he feels is he wants
to be most representative of his career. Look, they weren't
great last night, weren't great at all. Couldn't make a shot,
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which one of the things I told you you you
cannot prepare yourself for the Lebron James thing. Right, Like
the game is in Portland, and you're like, oh wait, yeah,
Portland's a zoo, not only because Nike's headquartered there, but
so is Adidas and they have Damian Lillard. So even
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as one of the smaller NBA outposts like Portland's was
a buzz last night, that's going to be every Lakers
road game for at least the first half of the
season and most of the second half of the season
as well. So look, um, some of it is can
confirmation bias. You didn't think Rondo can shoot, you can't shoot.
You thought this roster was made up of guys that
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hadn't shown the ability to kidsistently make threes, and they
don't make them. But I think part of it is.
Part of it is the pressure and speed and pace
of playing with Lebron James against the team that's playing
at a higher level of intensity defensively because they're playing
against Lebron James led Lakers, It's like all of those
Lakers who are coming back for year two, it's hard
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to calculate how good a shooting team they'll be. Josh Hart,
for example, came off the bench and hit some shots.
He's a far better shooter this year. Ingram should be
better because they're still in the growth phase of their
On the other hand, they've played in the NBA technically,
but they haven't played in the real NBA. Right like
Ingerman playing the real NB. A heart hadn't played in
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the real NBA. A Lonzo hadn't played in the real NBA.
So you look around that team. Kyle Kuzma, who got exposed,
they try to play him a small ball five hadn't
played in the real NBA. Now you're playing the real NBA.
Is come, It's it's almost a different sport. Wait then,
wait to get to the playoffs when it's cranked up
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even more so, Yeah, I have some catch your breath.
They'll adjust. It's like hopping into the Have you ever
been to your your son at the batting cage? Right,
and you go and you try and hop in the
seventy machine and that thing is humming by like holy cow.
But then you go in a couple of times and
you adjust to the speed and you can probably hit it.
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That's the deal with the Young Lakers. Be sure to
catch live editions of The Doug Dot Leap Show weekdays
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and the I Heart Radio app. Now the Red Sox
are in the World Series. They await the winner of
tonight's game. The guy will be on the call of
tonight's game is the great John Smolty joins us on
Fox Sports Radio. Let's start two nights ago. Let's go
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back to Kershaw. Um that adjustment that why do you think,
by the way his velocity is so down from Pete Kershaw? Well,
I mean some of it has to do with a
little bit of what he's been dealing with an injury wise,
I'm sure you know lower back a couple of times
two years in a row. Um, it takes its toll,
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and you don't what you don't want to do as
a picture, You don't want to force velocity, and so
you sometimes feel what you have is what you have
and you learn how to pitch with it. That's one
thing he's always been able to do. But the biggest
adjustment he made in his second game was he he
had a much better slider. That slider is everything for
Clayton Kershaw. Uh it was not good in his first game,
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and Uh he made the adjustment, got out of a
big inning that ultimately could have got away from him
and then never look back. So his combination of fastball, curveball,
slider is as good as a gifts. It's not the
late life tight pitch that we got used to see
with the velocity, But I don't think that really matters.
If he's healthy and can repeat his mechanics, I think
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he's he could put the ball where he wants to
John's Mults joining us here on the Doug Otlip Show
on Fox Sports Trading. Well, we'll get to tonight's game, which,
of course UM pregame coverage starts at seven thirty Eastern
time and game gets underway on Fox at eight thirty
pm Eastern Time. That's Game six. Brewers welcoming in those Dodgers.
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David Price, Pete, David Price in the playoffs is when
he first came out of the Vandy and he was
with Tampa and he came out of the pen, and
you know, the deal in Boston has not worked out well.
But he picked up the ball last night. What did
he change? What allowed him to be so successful in
what had he had struggled with before? You know, that's
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a great question, because he got hot the night before
he was up in the bullpen. He had fired his bullets.
You know, although be it trying to get ready for
a short situation, you rarely do that and then start
the next game. I've seen a lot of things this
postseason that are uncharacteristically not conducive for people to have success.
But managers have chosen to do things in a in
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a different way, and the upside downside, he gotta live
with it. But what he did in that game was
he finally got to the point where when he commands
his fastball, which he does a lot, but the combination
of his fastball and changeups, he doesn't throw his curveball anymore,
and he really doesn't have any other change of speed
other than that fadeaway change up and that he makes
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the right handed hitters conscious in and then they got
to try to get their bat started and then next thing,
you know, if throws a change up. I thought his
combination of command and and change ups were as good
as it's going to be. And you know that that
that was huge for him psychologically. I'm sure physically he
was kind of spent um, but mentally he uh, you know,
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he got over a pretty big hurdle and uh, and
I'm sure he was tired of talking about what he
hadn't done, and now that one game it doesn't erase
every other game, but it sure puts a puts it
in the back pages and allows him to move forward
and his team in the World Series. I it's it's
fascinating to listen to talk about pitching. I want to
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ask you about hitting, though, um, because it did feel
like the Astros who you had the controversial call in
the first inning and then you have the unbelievable catch
by Ben tend which ends it in the in the
ninth inning. How much of the psychology of we we
we probably should have won the night before in their
own mind, we should have won the night before feeds
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into because I used to watch other teams when they
would face you, not not necessarily you, but maybe you're
set up guys, or especially Mariano Rivera. Right, you get
to the fifth inning and you know that Mo was
coming in, and you get to the sixth inning and
you started, well, he can get it, and guys would
swing uncharacteristically out of their zone because they felt like
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they couldn't hit. Uh Rivera, was it last night? Those
guys you know, trying too hard to make up for
losing the night before. Yeah, I mean there's certainly times
where you pressed a little bit, But I would say
when you're when you feel like you've got the best
pitching in baseball, and the combination of their pitching and bullpen,
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and not to mention the offense that they possessed, this
was going up against another great offense, and there that
other offense just beat you, and they beat great pitching.
You look at the numbers off of the starting pitching
and what they were able to do. Boston just basically
put so much pressure on Houston's offense that maybe they
just couldn't match it. You know, Teter Totter game. In
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the game you talked about with the home run that
wasn't a home run. They took the lead. Boston took
the lead. So once you take the lead, you're not
even thinking of those two runs that weren't part of
your you know, scoreboards. So this is just a matter
of a team that when you think about winning a
postseason series, I lost track nineteen twenty runs with two outs,
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that that's that's almost impossible, and that that's a backbreaker.
And that's what Boston did. They got two big two
out hits after two out hits, and those hurt and
those sting um, and they did them off a great picture.
So you really really have to credit them for putting
so much pressure on the offense of the Astros that
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they're not used to that from their pictures. Their pictures
usually shut everybody else down. So this was just a better,
better approach by the by the Boston offense. See what
We've discussed this before. Because I know how much you
care for the game, and you know I love baseball,
my son plays baseball. I'm I'm concerned with the future
of baseball from from this aspect, this is the time
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of year when the mainstream fan buys in right. Locally,
the numbers sky high. People are still going into ballparks.
But but nationally this is the time. And that Dodger
game the other night was or was it when it
was the Red Sox game two nights ago, there were
five hours long, And then you know the Dodger games,
especially with the Brewers making so many pitching changes. I
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just I don't know whether you're gonna hold the audience.
I understand that the computers tell you and analytics tell
you to find the right matchups and I think it's
gonna be interesting to see how salaries are adjusted and
whether or not people are paying big money for some
of these players when they're easily replaceable for a more
favorable matchup. That's interesting for the off season, but for
for the long term sustainability of baseball, what do you
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do with the length of these games due to all
the changes that are being made, pitching changes and pinch hits.
You've had all the high notes of basically clips that
people are talking about, and um, from the standpoint of strategy,
strategy doesn't care how long it takes or who's watching.
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Strategy is is put forth with a bunch of data
and a bunch of equations that basically give you a
blueprint for They call it a pathway of success. Um.
And and when you go through certain moments like you've mentioned,
it comes sometimes and might be coming at a cost
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to some who say I just can't hang in there,
especially games on the West Coast. So at the end
of the day, I don't have a lot of answers
for it. I know those concerns and those will be
addressed in the years to come. Game baseball usually has
kind of a reciprocal kind of approach where it corrects itself.
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It's just I don't know if that's going to happen
anytime soon. But I will say this, UM, you know,
this year's Milwaukee Brewer team will not be next year's
Milwaukee Brewer team. They will not do this next year.
This is out of necessity. UM. I've said this could
give you know, some hope to other teams, and might
it might be a false read for a blueprint of
success because you can't do this in a regular season.
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So when you get to the postseason and you have
your matchups like they have them, this is their only
formula for success. I've always said, since I've played the game,
and when I've been out of the game, that usually
about I think when the team usually um has the
most innings pitched out of their starters, that team musically
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goes on to win. And this could be an exception
if the Brewers can prove they can win these next
two games, because the Dodger pictures starting pitchers have been
been really good and you know, time will tell. When
you've just got to look at the last ten to
twelve champions, the world sers champions, not any one of
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those teams fit this kind of new age model as
far as blueprint for success. But in time, if this
ends up disrupting the flow of of how we look
at baseball, then other teams, I'm sure are gonna look
at ways to try to increase their chances. But you
pit all the high notes. That's not something that you know,
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no one has noticed. It's just part of where we
are today in baseball. Johnsmuls joining us, what about the
Brewers offense? Only sixteen runs, hitting two nineteen with a
sixty three o p s against the Dodgers. What's gone
wrong against that Dodger pitching? Well, you know, fair or not.
Um The reason that yellx is gonna win the m
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v P single handedly carried the team in the second half.
I mean that kind of production the second half is unbelievable.
They are a top heavy offense, meaning their front five
guys do a lot of their damage. I'll vote this
postseason it's been the bottom nine that has really got
them the wins they've gotten so far. So if they
yeah would have hitting home runs and getting walks, that
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that changes things a little bit. I'm telling you, it's
been amazing. And if they get any production of the
top five. They're they're gonna benefit now from flipping the
script of their offense that had so much potent power
and production out of the top. So you've got a
credit again the Dodgers starters. They've done a nice job
at being able to keep belloch at at yellow ch
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at at bay And uh, look I said this, Um,
you always have these different things. Would you sign up
for a three two deficit in the beginning of the
year two games at home for the Milwaukee Brewers, That's
what I would be selling our team, and the answer
would be unequably Yes. They've had an amazing stretch, an
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amazing run. It's going to be super loud, and if
they get a couple of guys to wake up, um,
they're gonna have a bullpen ready to go to shut
this thing down and force the game seven. John, thanks
so much of your time. I know you're super super busy.
Love listening to call the games on Fox and the
best of luck tonight. I appreciate it. Thanks for having me.
Be sure to catch live editions. So the Doug Got
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The Dallas Cowboys defense is ranked fourth in yards per game,
second in points per game. And they get back Seawan Lee,
who of course is their leader, their sergeant Holka if
you remember the movie stripes, their big toe in the
middle of that defense. The two parts to what the
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Cowboys are doing, which is I don't know if I
want to say genius or they're just kind of figuring out.
They had twenty three first downs. That's great, that's great.
Tree first downs on third down they were seven of seventeen.
That's big. And they possessed the ball for thirty eight
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and a half over thirty eight and a half minutes.
That's dominant. But the reason they were able to do
that was their defense, holding the Jaguars to four eleven
on third down. They ran seventy two plays as opposed
the Jaguars running forty seven plays. Think about that for
a second, and in the NFL, a relatively low number
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of possessions. Right, they had eleven, the Jaguars had twelve.
Their game plan of running the football, playing eleven on
eleven football, bringing up Doc to be more of a runner,
and stopping the run and limiting people on third down.
I know you're sitting there going like, well, no, Doug Gottlieb.
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It was helped in large part by the ineptitude of
Blake portals and the lack of running game without Leonard
four net. But if you look at the defensive rankings
for what the Cowboys have done, the Cowboys strengths their
defense and they figured that thing out, that's it. And
they're shortening the game, you know, don't take a look
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at what happened with the Chiefs. Had the Patriots beat
the Chiefs, they possessed the football thirty six minutes. They
won by three the Patriots only one by three points.
But how are they able to move the ball late
to get in the field goal range? What a good
portion of it is they had the football. In other words,
that the Chiefs were on defense for thirteen minutes longer
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then they were on offense. So instead of sometimes concentrating
on Dak Prescott, who I do think has done a
good job, the Cowboys allowing seventeen points per game, second
in the nflifteen yards of game fourth in the NFL,
and their eighth and seventh terms of pass and rush
yards plus again after the pass are pretty good even
though they haven't had their full A lotment of pass
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rushers first four or five games, we pay attention so
often to quarterback. Quarterback. Quarterback, quarterback kind of set on
who Doc is, and I do think making him a runner,
we'll put one more you know, activates one more guy
into the box, which frees up frees up more of
their receivers, which is what they need because they don't
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have a ton of talent. But it also kind of
deceives us from exactly what's going on. And Cole Beasi
was really their only consistent threat. Nine catches Hunter one yard.
Why but because you take one guy out of the
defense if you allow your quarterback to be a real runner.
And dak Ran dak rand at what eleven times. Fox
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Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation.
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s R to listen live. He'll be calling Michigan, Michigan State.
He's the one, He's the only Joel Clad. He joins
us here on Fox Sports Radio. Um, I want to
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get to Michigan in a second. You and I have
been pro Michigan when everybody else jump ship. Now people
are trying to get back on the bandwagon as they
figured out how to use shape Patterson. But let's talk
Michigan State first. I saw the means Utah State, a
game they very well could have lost. They did lose
the Arizona State, who has gone one and four since
that game. And though they just beat Penn State on
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the road, huge win that comes off of losing the
Northwestern at home. Who is Michigan Give me a sense
of Michigan State because they've been all over the map. Yeah,
I mean, good point. Studying for this game has been interesting,
breaking down the film, watching them from game to game.
The first thing that you have to understand about Michigan State, Doug,
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is that they have been a mash unit, you know.
I mean, they're the injuries and the coaches and credit
them because their coaching staff, led by Mark D'Antonio, does
not create excuses for themselves like other coaching staff would.
And you've been around those type of coaching staffs, you
know in broadcasting that will tell you every injury under
the sun, and they use it as a crutch that
Michigan State is not that way. And yet they've had
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just a probably more injuries than maybe anybody else in
the country. Last week, they traveled to Penn State and
they had six of their normal starters that didn't even
make the trip on offense alone. They had another corner
that the missing, so that seven starters not playing in
that ball game, they were able to go out there
and get a win. Um last week was the first
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time all year that they had the same five offensive
lineman started game and finish a game together. That same
five is back, so I think some of the inconsistencies
can be explained away just based on on that. Having
said that, I think the worry some part about Michigan
State is that they don't run the ball like they
used to. And this is a team that relies heavily
on running the football and they're gonna need to against
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Michigan because Michigan is once again leading the country and
past defense. This would be the third straight year if
they were able to hold that number one ranking, that
they would finish with the number one past defense in
the country. And Brian Lurkie last the last two weeks,
really has thrown the ball fifty plus times for Michigan State.
I don't think that's a game plan that's going to
be successful for them, and they don't either, so they
know that they've got to find some semblance of a
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run game if they're gonna, you know, keep this one
close and ultimately pull the upset. You and I have
both watched Michigan and said, man, you know, they lost
the Trigg black kid, who is supposed to be their
top wide receiver, and there's a paucity of game breaking
talent out wide. They seem to have made up for
that using Shaye Patterson in a way in which he's
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more comfortable out of the pocket, both running and throwing
out of the pocket. Does that Does that make their
offense explosive enough to run through the Big Ten? I
think it does. You know. It was eye opening for
me and and people have gotten on me this week
because when I'm talking about Michigan, I tend to always
compare them to Ohio State because I think those are
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the two favorites, in particular with thin State losing twice
already in this season in the Big Ten Conference. And
after coming away from the Olhouse they game and and
seeing Michigan both on tape and then live against Northwestern,
I come away thinking to myself, boy, this this Michigan
team has got a great chance to win the conference.
And the reason is is not necessarily just say Patterson,
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but what he gives them, and then where they've improved
from where they were in previous seasons. You know, last
season alone, they were putrid protecting the pastor they did
not convert on third down very well, and because of that,
they couldn't sustain drives and they didn't score any points.
This year, that's totally opposite. There were one of the
better teams in the country converting on third down, in
large part due to the run game on first down,
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which I know that's kind of a chain reaction, but
part of that is that Sha has the ability to
run and some of those quarterback design runs created all
sorts of mismatches for them. Last week against Wisconsin, he
rolled out that eighty one yard run and it wasn't
until he did that that then Karen Hickten started getting
loose and ended up getting over the century mark because
Hickton in the first half did not do much. He
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was seven, you know, seven carries for eleven yards basically
in the first half, and then she got loose and
it opened everything up. A quarterback that can hurt you
with his is the great equalizer in college football, dug
and now Michigan has that. In fact, she has converted
more third down conversions with his feet this year then
all of Harbaugh's quarterbacks combined the first three years he
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was there. That's another. That's an and into this offense
that has been lacking missing. Now they have it, and
I think it makes them one of the more dangerous teams,
maybe in the country, but certainly in the Big Ten.
What do you make of Wisconsin? Why? Why? Why the
disappointing season? And I know they thought Nebraska Nebraska stinks.
And I know the beat Iowa at Iowa, which is
always a good win. But I mean, I don't know.
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They just you keep throwing a quarterback out there who
he was awful. I almost I can't believe they let
Horny Book play in the fourth quarter. Didn't mean he
wouldn't start this week against Illinois, but he was shook.
He was shook by that defense and he was so
rattled he couldn't complete anything. Is that is Horny Brook
alone the reason that this team is not as good
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as they were supposed to be. No, No, I think
that he's getting an undue share of the blame. Actually,
because if and I broke down his games leading into
that Iowa game that we called and Doug, he was.
He had been very good for them, dating all the
way back, even he was even pretty good against b
y U. He was decent against Ohio State last year
in the Big Big Ten Mempionship game. Dating all the
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way back to their game against Michigan, he had played
some really good football. So this was more of the operation.
Early in his career he struggled and he would have
those huge stinkers of a game, and this was one
of those. And I think that's an alarming thing. More so,
I think for them is that defensively, they've been so
good for so long and they're struggling finding two things.
One consistency in the back end and the second thing, Doug.
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They rely heavily on their edge rushers and their edge
defenders in that odd front. They have to stand up
outside linebackers. They've had guys like t. J. Watt and
so on and so forth, Vince the Beagle, uh, and
they don't have that guy anymore this year. They've had
some injuries at that position. They don't have great edge setters,
and it's really tough to run this defense. If you
don't have great edge setters and you don't have consistency
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the back end, they should get Da Coda Dixon back
their safety this week. The last week in the first
half due to targeting and injury, they had both of
their starting safeties that were not on the field against Michigan.
So I think some consistency issues as far as roster goes,
and then the fact that they don't have those edge
rudger rusher is what's really contributing to this. But I
hear you, but I think that Alex has one their
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best option, and two, I think he gets a little
bit of the undue share of of some of that blame.
Doug gotlip Show, Fox Sport Trader, that's uh. Fox Sports
lead college football analysts Joel Klatten. Let's keep in the
big ten. And you've come out in support of Nick
Bos's decision to leave Ohio State and get ready for
the NFL Draft. Now, I do think that somehow we're
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kind of complating other stories guys skipping bowl games with
this one. Guys getting bowl games because they don't want
to get hurt is different than a guy who actually
has been hurt and might not be healthy until uh,
the the peak time in their season. What's your take
on the on the boast of decision. Yeah, First of all,
that's an important distinction that you made there, very important distinction.
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Um a few different points I'd like to make. First
and foremost, I don't think this is an epidemic. I
think that these are are very isolated incidents that stuff
suk up all all the air out of the room.
And Doug we talk about him a lot, whether it's
the bowl game scenario or even a scenario like this,
which is more unique. So that's one thing. Again, the
reason it's not an epic bymic is because there's not
many guys like Nick Fosa that have completely solidified their
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draft stock. So many guys are still trying to improve
that draft stock. This dude's got the thirty million dollar ticket.
He's a top three pick all day long, probably was
a year ago. So again, very unique set of circumstances.
The other thing I would point to is what you
talked about, but also more so, it's such a unique injury.
You know, I think that this injury has been called
you know, abdomen. The thing about it is it's kind
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of more of a sports hernia and this surgery that
a lot of guys go to the Philadelphia area to get,
whether it's pro or college guys, it takes a good
two and a half three months to heal up from that,
just two. Then go out and test to see where
you're at. See, this is not a fractured bone, This
is not you know, a sprained ankle where the requisite
rest and you're going to be. An abdomen injury is
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just so much different because you can't test it. You
don't know until all of a sudden you try to
make an explosive movement and then whoa, all of a sudden,
you're you're set back two or three weeks. He didn't
want that, obviously, heading into the most valuable time in
his life. So I think that's been conflated a little bit.
And then also this fact if you had and I
made this analogy, and I don't know if you know,
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maybe it's good made it's not. But if you had
at home, don't don't understand your analogy, clap, don't understand you.
I'll tell you if it's not good. Don't worry, I'll
tell you what you're great at. Your The textures and
Twitter can great a here we go. So if you
had your whole life worked to restore a beautiful old car,
and it was your pride and joy, and you spent
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hours and hours and months and years tending to this car,
you were like Cameron's father and Ferris Bueller's day off,
and you groped with a diaper, you know, I mean
like it was everything again, and you knew that all
of a sudden in four months, someone was going to
give you the equivalent of thirty million dollars over four years.
And all you have to do is get the car
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to April. And all that had to do was was
be functional. And in the condition that you got it
to your whole life, would you drive it around? Probably not.
It's it's a good it's a good analogy. So it's
a it's a really good analogy. Um, it depends what
I got the car for. That's honest, like that, that's
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what I got to it. It's what I what I
got the car for, because because why would this be
everybody dug and I'm saying, well, not everybody has that car.
Not everyone has the car where someone guarantees you, yes,
I'm going to give you thirty million over four years. Again,
that's where this is so unique. Everybody else is still
working on that car. So you gotta go out and
you gotta test it, you gotta race it against other ones,
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all these different things. Everyone else is still trying to
establish the value of that car. If someone told you
your value is established, why would you drive it? Because
you get to drive the car? Like here, here's here
be what because, for example, you're gonna get to drive
it after April. Uh No, you'll drive a different car.
You'll have the money in your pocket to go buy
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another car. You'll you'll never get to play. Here's what
he's turning down. Okay, and I I understand the thing.
Um And just because his brother's people will say, well
his brother made money, he doesn't need money. No, that's
his brother's money. That's not his money. Okay. Um. One,
there's really there's very few, if any, career ending injuries anymore.
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Let's just kind of be honest, right, like medical science,
your career, you can cost yourself. It's fair, it's it's
it's a fair point. I mean those are you're talking
about one. Huh. But that was his second time he
tore his a c L in a in a year
second time, let's not throw those out. Well, I mean,
it happens, That's what I'm trying to say. It happened.
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It's happened, happened, happened once. Right, He's won Willis mcga,
Willis mcgate, Willis mc gave him his leg broken half
in his last college football game. He had a long
NFL career, so he can work work the other way.
My point is very few, if any career enders anymore,
it could cost him money. But but here's here's what
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you put online with. Why would you go out there
and potentially get it hurt worse than affect your value.
I understand, And I also think that those games that
he'd be coming back and playing it it's not like
coming back and playing against Illinois. It's coming back playing
against Michigan. It's coming back playing in the Big Ten
championship game. It's coming back playing in the national semifinals
in the finals. Like, that's a higher level and it
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puts more stress and strain. On the other hand, if
you reinjure your hernia, you just have a hernia surgery,
you'll be fine. He'll still be a top five draft pick.
But that's not the point. My point is like there's
still the human element of it, and I I can
only tell you that I want football players that want
to play football, and you've got a guy who could
play for Now, I guess here's here's the issue. I
don't mind element of value. I don't mean to interrupt.
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I mean, if you average, that's a business element football program.
They're taking about dollars. No, no, no, no no, you're
doing that. You're doing that way, you're doing that, you're
doing the thing. You're doing that thing to where you're
you're taking an argument and changing it into a completely
different argument about what you want to about, which is
about paying players. Remember these kids, these kids are put
into a different, a different scenario where they are There's
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only two skills, Doug, that you in America as a
young man, cannot monetize for some arbitrary reason. Now I'm
talking about skills, not degrees. The ability to play basketball,
the ability to play football artificially. You are helped from
monetizing those to those two skills artificially. Okay, So I
don't want to blame a kid if he takes his
own future into his own hands and says, listen, I
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don't want to play a few exhibition games late. If
I've already established my value and someone's gonna hand me
thirty million over four years, that to me, that's that
totally makes sense. And quite frankly, I don't think he
owes Ohio State anything. If I was Ohio State, I
would say thank you so much because we just essentially
got got you for zero. We we didn't have to
pay you a dime, and we got to you got
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to increase value. We got to ride your back for
hold on, hold on, jem Joel nick Bosa did not
increase Ohio State's value one iota. There's not one less ticket.
There's not one. There's that one hold on, hold on,
hold on, true, This is absolutely true. You get a
bunch of one star kids and they're a a zero
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win football team. They've got the same value. You do
You think that winds don't matter? Have they have? They lost?
They lost? You think Duke going out there and losing
every game is going to establish the same value. A
hold on a second, again, again, you're changing the argument.
He is he is not playing. He's not going to
play for Ohio State ever. Again? Correct? Correct? Is there
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one less person? That's gonna watch Ohio State play. Is
there one less person is going to go to a game?
Is there one less person is going to go to again?
All I'm saying is that if you take him and
others like him away, ohiw states, not what it is. Listen,
we go around and round. My point is this, you're
basically you only get one more. You're taking the most
skilled framer from the construction yard, and you're saying like,
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at the end of the job, once he's framed the
entire high house. No, you're you're also making this that's
a college football argument. You're making it a college football argument.
The NFL says, we don't want you for three years.
We don't want you for three year. Kids don't have
a seat at that table. You have to understand that's
the CPA negotiated thing, which they're not able to negotiate
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at that tables in the NFL. Why would they want
young kids around. But you're making this, you're making this
about about Lois. You're making about is me college football
collusion and it's illegal, and it's that collusion in Salonleegal.
It is not collusion is not illegal. It is collectively
barking based upon for the union and the owners has nothing.
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I'm not because if it was collusion or artificially holding
people that aren't party to those negotiations out of the negotiation,
that's collusion. No, it's if it was collusion, somebody would
have gone to court and sued and one by now,
and it hasn't been because this system that's been set up. Listen,
my point is simply this, you get one more like, dude,
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you want to tell me that I would be okay,
is if we got to the middle of November. He's
like this, it's not gonna happen. I'm not gonna be
able to do it. I want to play against Michigan.
But pulling the rip chord now tells me that it's
a business decision, which is fine. But don't tell me
that you love football, that you want to play football,
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that you love your time. You're a captain at Ohio State.
You got a chance to finish you you want a
chance to finish undefeated. Undefeated every time a coach leaves
for a higher salary. But when a coach, when a
coach leaves for a higher salary, he's leaving a contract.
When a players leaving we're okay with him leaving a
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contract to sign to play for a year for a house.
It is a contract, and he violated the contract. And
he violated the contract. Wait, if you have a deal.
If ESPN comes in and says, hey, we're gonna give
you a ten million ten you're gonna place herby next year,
but you want to do so, you gotta walk. Okay,
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you gotta walk from Fox. You can't do any games
the rest of the year. How's that gonna go over?
W's gonna shut you down? So you can't ever be
on broadcast TV for the next five or six years
because that's what the contract says. That's the power that
they have. But the media, we take the stance like,
good for Nick bos He violated a contract. But it's cool.
You can pay ourselves, don't worry. All the millions of
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dollars will pay all the coaches and administrators and the
commissioners are gonna pay themselves millions of dollars. But heaven forbid.
Nick Bose actually takes his own future into his own
hands after establishing his own value. You establish your value
based upon what you do in college, and then after
college you go out and you become a professional. That's
what happens in hundreds of professions across the country. Again,
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name another skill that you cannot monetize and tell some
arbitrary time being a doctor, doctor being a doctor, a doctor.
You just said, name a profession, I name too. No, no, no,
I don't say profession. I did not say in order
to be a teacher, you have to have a you
have to have a teaching degree in a teaching start,
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I said skill. That is that's how they judge your skill, Yes,
it is. How else can they tell whether or not
you have the skills to be a teacher? Is an
arbitrary that is totally false. A degree is not a skill.
It's a requisite amount of knowledge. A skill set is
a skill set. Period. If you're a cellist or a
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violinist or whatever, you can go monetize because because CELLI
at any time, as soon as your skill set is
that that it's good enough to earn a living with it,
you can do that. Except for basketball and football, because
we want those administrators to get their close in you
until they can squeeze all that value out. Why do
you make it most then? Why did you go into
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a contract? Why is it necessary to make administrators who
have earned their doctorates, who support their schools and make
a couple of hundred thousand dollars into the worst human
beings on earth. I don't Jack Swarbrick making three million
dollars is a couple hundreds thousand that the a d
at Northwestern making one and a half million dollars. That's
just a couple of hundred thousands. But but one and
a half million dollars for a one and a half
million dollars for a guy who's been working for twenty
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years in the business is not actually that much money
compared to what he can make in the private sector. Okay,
then go to the private sector, Joel clad joining us
in the Doug Galars, your last thing n C stayed
taking on Clemson. I'm gonna get the chance to go
to this game. I've never gone. I do want to.
I do want to ask you. Um, the kid at
NC State is supposed to be a first round draft
pick as a quarterback. Right he comes back, I think
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he's under performing so far as that's the word I'm doing.
I haven't had a chance to study him, Doug, but
I will after the year. But from from the conversations
I've had with a few scouts and even a couple
of gms. Listen, and he has he has under delivered
so far. Uh, And it's not just production or wins
and losses. Remember, it's a very different evaluation. Meanwhile, let's
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get up at Oregon. He's the one that's over over delivering.
People are saying that his stock is going through the roof.
But if you're you're asking about that game in particular,
I just don't buy that NC State is good enough. Remember,
Clemson is coming off of a buy the last time
they played. They want sixty three to three. And their
quarterback is a young kid that is going to get
better and better every time he goes out, because that's
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what happens with young kids that are getting more and
more reps. So Trevor Lawrence is a guy that I
fully expect to continue to get better. And that defensive
front four for Clemson is so good. They're one of
the nation's leaders and zacks tackles for loss. I just
I don't see a way in which the Pack is
able to compete with Clemson. I will point out that
they won in overtime two years ago, same field, and
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they won by seven last year at NC State. NC
State traditionally has played them very very close, especially with
this they have. I think the one thing that I'm
concerned with is that generally when Clemson has struggled in
the past to the Syracuse games, notwithstanding it's it's been
because of dominant defensive lines and all those guys now learning.
It's always you know what Gladly Chubb has been able
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to do with the Denver Broncos. But you're right, the
historically NC State has played well. I don't see it
this year, but I might be wrong. Joel, great stuff,
Good Duel, enjoy our safe travels to UM East Lansing
and look forward to hear you call me name and likeness.
I mean, the universities don't have to pay, just give
them their name and likeness back. It's not actually valuable.
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It's not actually valuable. I hate to hate to break
it to you. Johnny Manzel has been gone from Texas
A and M for years. They haven't sold one less seat,
one less Jersey, haven't been on TV any less. Just
it's kind of a it's it's actually actually colleges, which
commenze at the height of his name and likeness. Value
was prevented from getting it, So now go back. He
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got back to got he got the heisman which which
he can profit on for the rest of his life. Values,
values in that in that brand Joel Clad, the values
in Joel Clad's brand. He happens to work for Fox.
They gain all the benefits of having Joel on their Okay,
Joel great stuff. Do
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coming to you from Atlanta, Georgia, on my way to Clemson,
South Carolina. Man, I am, I'm fired up. I made
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a it was a tough call, and I think I
may have made the wrong call. I don't know. My
son's nine years old. A couple of years ago, we
watched the Clemson Louisville game. You probably remember when Lamar
Jackson took Louisville in there and second half you played well.
They came back, nearly won the game, and Deshaun Watson
end up putting their thumb on him and winning late. Um.
But my son, at the time, he fell in love
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with Howard's Rock and the Entrance. I thought ESPN did
a great job kind of telling the story of it.
And I do some work for a company called Stadium
Uh if you know about Stadium Sports. You can watch
it online on Twitter and Twitch, and I believe on Facebook.
I've done basketball games for him. Tomorrow will be doing
a college football show. Eric would former offensive lineman Louisville
(01:31):
Buffalo Bills, you remember him, and C. J. Spiller of course,
former NFL running back, also former Bill and uh, former
Clemson Tiger. What we're doing just kind of all, you know,
completely live one hour talking about college college football from
Clemson South Carolina, and then I'll walk over to the
game and watch him rub Howard's rock and they're taking
on undefeated NC State club. That'll be a ton of fun.
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So what I remember is and so I chose not
to bring my son. And it was a tough call
because what made missed two days of school or one
day of school whatever, not that big a deal when
you're nine years old, right, you had a sub yesterday.
I didn't even know they got like a party today.
Who knows, um, But I do think there'll be another opportunity.
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I remember my dad told me a couple of things
that still resonate with me today, and like going to Clemson,
I remember him telling me there's actually Paw Prince on
the highway leading to the stadium. I thought that was cool.
Another thing my dad taught me was he was a
basketball coach since the day he finished college, getting his
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master's degree at Columbia University, went to Ohio State, got
a degree, and then went to Columbia University and got
a master's degree. And he had to get a master's
to be a high school coach. At the times high
school coach became a college coach, got fired Long Beach State,
got bounced around professional basketball and minor league level, and
he started his own business with my mom. My mom's
(02:58):
an interior designer. And I remember him telling me that said, listen,
once you work for yourself, you'll never want to work
for anybody else. That resonated with me right I was
thinking about the Clemson diary. I was saying, once you
work for yourself, you never want to work for anybody else.
So I watched Lebron James last night, and I understand
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that he's technically working for Genie Buss and for Magic
Johnson and for Rob Polinka and frankly for Luke Walton.
But but the ownership that he has taken in the
rebuilding of the Lakers franchise. And there's a bunch that
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has been discussed. Is Lebron to Hollywood? Are there too
many things? I look, it's a heavy load. It's a
heavy burden, and we can tackle that. We can discuss that.
But if you watch the game, if you listen to
the game, if you observed the leadership that he has shown,
if you know like I do, um, the kind of
inside details about how he's trying to shape the thing
(04:02):
to the image that he thinks is the best and
most sustainable, you understand that he's taking ownership. This is
he's working for himself. Look, Lebron James says, He's worked
for pet Riley Um, He's worked for for the Cleveland Cavaliers,
(04:24):
and he's never really taken ownership over other decisions. Has
he encouraged the organization based upon things he said and
things that he's done in the way that he's acted, Yes,
but ownership that's different. Take a listen to this clip
last night early in the game. We got to any
time you feel anytime falling out up. I want this
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to be a brotherhood, a family, a different sort of organization,
and this is what we're going to do. Lebron is
very smart, he is incredibly strategic, and he has his
own production company. He's already worked for himself. He will
never want to work for anybody else. And so I
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understand this thought that it's a wasted year. No, it's not.
The hard truth about the Lakers and what they're doing
is that they know they couldn't win a championship this year.
Lebron frankly knew he couldn't win a championship if he
stayed in Cleveland. So the idea that it was a
bad decision because either they lost a game or they
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ultimately won't win a championship, that's only telling the hard
truth to fans, which is, hey, guess what, even if
you have Lebron James every year, you can't win a championship.
Even at thirty four, every year, you could win a
championship because the Celtics are better, and because the Warriors
are better, and frankly, the Rockets in the Thunder, because
(05:58):
of their experience together as well as their talent, they're
probably better. So whatever else was left for him, be
at Philadelphia, staying in Cleveland, or coming out to the Lakers,
or playing in tim Buck two. This is actually the
best possible option. And additionally, and more importantly, the way
to completely engage Lebron in the process, to not lose
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him to Hollywood, to not lose him to his family,
is to give him a chunk of ownership. If you listen,
I have a all basketball podcast is called All ball Um.
Two weeks ago, we had Iran ga Knot. He's the
head coach at Hawaii. When we took over Hawaii's program,
they ran workouts at six in the morning or seven
(06:43):
in the morning Hawaiian time. And after a month, the
coaches stopped showing up and they let the players have
ownership of it. I had Randy Bennett on who this
past week. We just dropped it yesterday. Randy said, head
coach at St. Mary's where Iran came from. And this
is one of his fellow spies, which is let the
players have ownership of their program. That's what Lebron is doing.
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It doesn't mean that Lebron's coaching, doesn't mean Lebron is
making every business decision or making every free agency pick. Up,
but he is sculpting and remaking this team in the
image that he most wants it to be creating. It
is his likeness. He's starting his own business. He's working
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for himself because as my dad told me thirty five
years ago, thirty years ago, once you work for yourself,
you're never gonna want to work for anybody else. And
Lebron James has gotten a taste of that and what
he does in the private sector, and that's what he's
(07:48):
trying to do working in the NBA. He doesn't own
the Lakers, he doesn't run the Lakers, he doesn't coach
the Lakers, but he doesn't work in reality for the Lakers.
He works for Lebron James, Inc. And if you watch
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how he's playing and watch how the team's evolving, I
think you get a sense that's exactly he's trying to
create in an image that he feels is he wants
to be most representative of his career. Look, they weren't
great last night, weren't great at all. Couldn't make a shot,
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which one of the things I told you you you
cannot prepare yourself for the Lebron James thing. Right, Like
the game is in Portland, and you're like, oh wait, yeah,
Portland's a zoo, not only because Nike's headquartered there, but
so is Adidas and they have Damian Lillard. So even
(08:49):
as one of the smaller NBA outposts like Portland's was
a buzz last night, that's going to be every Lakers
road game for at least the first half of the
season and most of the second half of the season
as well. So look, um, some of it is can
confirmation bias. You didn't think Rondo can shoot, you can't shoot.
You thought this roster was made up of guys that
(09:10):
hadn't shown the ability to kidsistently make threes, and they
don't make them. But I think part of it is.
Part of it is the pressure and speed and pace
of playing with Lebron James against the team that's playing
at a higher level of intensity defensively because they're playing
against Lebron James led Lakers, It's like all of those
Lakers who are coming back for year two, it's hard
(09:32):
to calculate how good a shooting team they'll be. Josh Hart,
for example, came off the bench and hit some shots.
He's a far better shooter this year. Ingram should be
better because they're still in the growth phase of their
On the other hand, they've played in the NBA technically,
but they haven't played in the real NBA. Right like
Ingerman playing the real NB. A heart hadn't played in
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the real NBA. A Lonzo hadn't played in the real NBA.
So you look around that team. Kyle Kuzma, who got exposed,
they try to play him a small ball five hadn't
played in the real NBA. Now you're playing the real NBA.
Is come, It's it's almost a different sport. Wait then,
wait to get to the playoffs when it's cranked up
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even more so, Yeah, I have some catch your breath.
They'll adjust. It's like hopping into the Have you ever
been to your your son at the batting cage? Right,
and you go and you try and hop in the
seventy machine and that thing is humming by like holy cow.
But then you go in a couple of times and
you adjust to the speed and you can probably hit it.
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That's the deal with the Young Lakers. Be sure to
catch live editions of The Doug Dot Leap Show weekdays
at noon eastern three pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio
and the I Heart Radio app. Now the Red Sox
are in the World Series. They await the winner of
tonight's game. The guy will be on the call of
tonight's game is the great John Smolty joins us on
Fox Sports Radio. Let's start two nights ago. Let's go
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back to Kershaw. Um that adjustment that why do you think,
by the way his velocity is so down from Pete Kershaw? Well,
I mean some of it has to do with a
little bit of what he's been dealing with an injury wise,
I'm sure you know lower back a couple of times
two years in a row. Um, it takes its toll,
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and you don't what you don't want to do as
a picture, You don't want to force velocity, and so
you sometimes feel what you have is what you have
and you learn how to pitch with it. That's one
thing he's always been able to do. But the biggest
adjustment he made in his second game was he he
had a much better slider. That slider is everything for
Clayton Kershaw. Uh it was not good in his first game,
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and Uh he made the adjustment, got out of a
big inning that ultimately could have got away from him
and then never look back. So his combination of fastball, curveball,
slider is as good as a gifts. It's not the
late life tight pitch that we got used to see
with the velocity, But I don't think that really matters.
If he's healthy and can repeat his mechanics, I think
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he's he could put the ball where he wants to
John's Mults joining us here on the Doug Otlip Show
on Fox Sports Trading. Well, we'll get to tonight's game, which,
of course UM pregame coverage starts at seven thirty Eastern
time and game gets underway on Fox at eight thirty
pm Eastern Time. That's Game six. Brewers welcoming in those Dodgers.
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David Price, Pete, David Price in the playoffs is when
he first came out of the Vandy and he was
with Tampa and he came out of the pen, and
you know, the deal in Boston has not worked out well.
But he picked up the ball last night. What did
he change? What allowed him to be so successful in
what had he had struggled with before? You know, that's
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a great question, because he got hot the night before
he was up in the bullpen. He had fired his bullets.
You know, although be it trying to get ready for
a short situation, you rarely do that and then start
the next game. I've seen a lot of things this
postseason that are uncharacteristically not conducive for people to have success.
But managers have chosen to do things in a in
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a different way, and the upside downside, he gotta live
with it. But what he did in that game was
he finally got to the point where when he commands
his fastball, which he does a lot, but the combination
of his fastball and changeups, he doesn't throw his curveball anymore,
and he really doesn't have any other change of speed
other than that fadeaway change up and that he makes
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the right handed hitters conscious in and then they got
to try to get their bat started and then next thing,
you know, if throws a change up. I thought his
combination of command and and change ups were as good
as it's going to be. And you know that that
that was huge for him psychologically. I'm sure physically he
was kind of spent um, but mentally he uh, you know,
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he got over a pretty big hurdle and uh, and
I'm sure he was tired of talking about what he
hadn't done, and now that one game it doesn't erase
every other game, but it sure puts a puts it
in the back pages and allows him to move forward
and his team in the World Series. I it's it's
fascinating to listen to talk about pitching. I want to
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ask you about hitting, though, um, because it did feel
like the Astros who you had the controversial call in
the first inning and then you have the unbelievable catch
by Ben tend which ends it in the in the
ninth inning. How much of the psychology of we we
we probably should have won the night before in their
own mind, we should have won the night before feeds
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into because I used to watch other teams when they
would face you, not not necessarily you, but maybe you're
set up guys, or especially Mariano Rivera. Right, you get
to the fifth inning and you know that Mo was
coming in, and you get to the sixth inning and
you started, well, he can get it, and guys would
swing uncharacteristically out of their zone because they felt like
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they couldn't hit. Uh Rivera, was it last night? Those
guys you know, trying too hard to make up for
losing the night before. Yeah, I mean there's certainly times
where you pressed a little bit, But I would say
when you're when you feel like you've got the best
pitching in baseball, and the combination of their pitching and bullpen,
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and not to mention the offense that they possessed, this
was going up against another great offense, and there that
other offense just beat you, and they beat great pitching.
You look at the numbers off of the starting pitching
and what they were able to do. Boston just basically
put so much pressure on Houston's offense that maybe they
just couldn't match it. You know, Teter Totter game. In
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the game you talked about with the home run that
wasn't a home run. They took the lead. Boston took
the lead. So once you take the lead, you're not
even thinking of those two runs that weren't part of
your you know, scoreboards. So this is just a matter
of a team that when you think about winning a
postseason series, I lost track nineteen twenty runs with two outs,
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that that's that's almost impossible, and that that's a backbreaker.
And that's what Boston did. They got two big two
out hits after two out hits, and those hurt and
those sting um, and they did them off a great picture.
So you really really have to credit them for putting
so much pressure on the offense of the Astros that
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they're not used to that from their pictures. Their pictures
usually shut everybody else down. So this was just a better,
better approach by the by the Boston offense. See what
We've discussed this before. Because I know how much you
care for the game, and you know I love baseball,
my son plays baseball. I'm I'm concerned with the future
of baseball from from this aspect, this is the time
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of year when the mainstream fan buys in right. Locally,
the numbers sky high. People are still going into ballparks.
But but nationally this is the time. And that Dodger
game the other night was or was it when it
was the Red Sox game two nights ago, there were
five hours long, And then you know the Dodger games,
especially with the Brewers making so many pitching changes. I
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just I don't know whether you're gonna hold the audience.
I understand that the computers tell you and analytics tell
you to find the right matchups and I think it's
gonna be interesting to see how salaries are adjusted and
whether or not people are paying big money for some
of these players when they're easily replaceable for a more
favorable matchup. That's interesting for the off season, but for
for the long term sustainability of baseball, what do you
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do with the length of these games due to all
the changes that are being made, pitching changes and pinch hits.
You've had all the high notes of basically clips that
people are talking about, and um, from the standpoint of strategy,
strategy doesn't care how long it takes or who's watching.
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Strategy is is put forth with a bunch of data
and a bunch of equations that basically give you a
blueprint for They call it a pathway of success. Um.
And and when you go through certain moments like you've mentioned,
it comes sometimes and might be coming at a cost
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to some who say I just can't hang in there,
especially games on the West Coast. So at the end
of the day, I don't have a lot of answers
for it. I know those concerns and those will be
addressed in the years to come. Game baseball usually has
kind of a reciprocal kind of approach where it corrects itself.
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It's just I don't know if that's going to happen
anytime soon. But I will say this, UM, you know,
this year's Milwaukee Brewer team will not be next year's
Milwaukee Brewer team. They will not do this next year.
This is out of necessity. UM. I've said this could
give you know, some hope to other teams, and might
it might be a false read for a blueprint of
success because you can't do this in a regular season.
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So when you get to the postseason and you have
your matchups like they have them, this is their only
formula for success. I've always said, since I've played the game,
and when I've been out of the game, that usually
about I think when the team usually um has the
most innings pitched out of their starters, that team musically
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goes on to win. And this could be an exception
if the Brewers can prove they can win these next
two games, because the Dodger pictures starting pitchers have been
been really good and you know, time will tell. When
you've just got to look at the last ten to
twelve champions, the world sers champions, not any one of
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those teams fit this kind of new age model as
far as blueprint for success. But in time, if this
ends up disrupting the flow of of how we look
at baseball, then other teams, I'm sure are gonna look
at ways to try to increase their chances. But you
pit all the high notes. That's not something that you know,
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no one has noticed. It's just part of where we
are today in baseball. Johnsmuls joining us, what about the
Brewers offense? Only sixteen runs, hitting two nineteen with a
sixty three o p s against the Dodgers. What's gone
wrong against that Dodger pitching? Well, you know, fair or not.
Um The reason that yellx is gonna win the m
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v P single handedly carried the team in the second half.
I mean that kind of production the second half is unbelievable.
They are a top heavy offense, meaning their front five
guys do a lot of their damage. I'll vote this
postseason it's been the bottom nine that has really got
them the wins they've gotten so far. So if they
yeah would have hitting home runs and getting walks, that
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that changes things a little bit. I'm telling you, it's
been amazing. And if they get any production of the
top five. They're they're gonna benefit now from flipping the
script of their offense that had so much potent power
and production out of the top. So you've got a
credit again the Dodgers starters. They've done a nice job
at being able to keep belloch at at yellow ch
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at at bay And uh, look I said this, Um,
you always have these different things. Would you sign up
for a three two deficit in the beginning of the
year two games at home for the Milwaukee Brewers, That's
what I would be selling our team, and the answer
would be unequably Yes. They've had an amazing stretch, an
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amazing run. It's going to be super loud, and if
they get a couple of guys to wake up, um,
they're gonna have a bullpen ready to go to shut
this thing down and force the game seven. John, thanks
so much of your time. I know you're super super busy.
Love listening to call the games on Fox and the
best of luck tonight. I appreciate it. Thanks for having me.
Be sure to catch live editions. So the Doug Got
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The Dallas Cowboys defense is ranked fourth in yards per game,
second in points per game. And they get back Seawan Lee,
who of course is their leader, their sergeant Holka if
you remember the movie stripes, their big toe in the
middle of that defense. The two parts to what the
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Cowboys are doing, which is I don't know if I
want to say genius or they're just kind of figuring out.
They had twenty three first downs. That's great, that's great.
Tree first downs on third down they were seven of seventeen.
That's big. And they possessed the ball for thirty eight
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and a half over thirty eight and a half minutes.
That's dominant. But the reason they were able to do
that was their defense, holding the Jaguars to four eleven
on third down. They ran seventy two plays as opposed
the Jaguars running forty seven plays. Think about that for
a second, and in the NFL, a relatively low number
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of possessions. Right, they had eleven, the Jaguars had twelve.
Their game plan of running the football, playing eleven on
eleven football, bringing up Doc to be more of a runner,
and stopping the run and limiting people on third down.
I know you're sitting there going like, well, no, Doug Gottlieb.
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It was helped in large part by the ineptitude of
Blake portals and the lack of running game without Leonard
four net. But if you look at the defensive rankings
for what the Cowboys have done, the Cowboys strengths their
defense and they figured that thing out, that's it. And
they're shortening the game, you know, don't take a look
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at what happened with the Chiefs. Had the Patriots beat
the Chiefs, they possessed the football thirty six minutes. They
won by three the Patriots only one by three points.
But how are they able to move the ball late
to get in the field goal range? What a good
portion of it is they had the football. In other words,
that the Chiefs were on defense for thirteen minutes longer
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then they were on offense. So instead of sometimes concentrating
on Dak Prescott, who I do think has done a
good job, the Cowboys allowing seventeen points per game, second
in the nflifteen yards of game fourth in the NFL,
and their eighth and seventh terms of pass and rush
yards plus again after the pass are pretty good even
though they haven't had their full A lotment of pass
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rushers first four or five games, we pay attention so
often to quarterback. Quarterback. Quarterback, quarterback kind of set on
who Doc is, and I do think making him a runner,
we'll put one more you know, activates one more guy
into the box, which frees up frees up more of
their receivers, which is what they need because they don't
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have a ton of talent. But it also kind of
deceives us from exactly what's going on. And Cole Beasi
was really their only consistent threat. Nine catches Hunter one yard.
Why but because you take one guy out of the
defense if you allow your quarterback to be a real runner.
And dak Ran dak rand at what eleven times. Fox
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Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation.
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s R to listen live. He'll be calling Michigan, Michigan State.
He's the one, He's the only Joel Clad. He joins
us here on Fox Sports Radio. Um, I want to
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get to Michigan in a second. You and I have
been pro Michigan when everybody else jump ship. Now people
are trying to get back on the bandwagon as they
figured out how to use shape Patterson. But let's talk
Michigan State first. I saw the means Utah State, a
game they very well could have lost. They did lose
the Arizona State, who has gone one and four since
that game. And though they just beat Penn State on
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the road, huge win that comes off of losing the
Northwestern at home. Who is Michigan Give me a sense
of Michigan State because they've been all over the map. Yeah,
I mean, good point. Studying for this game has been interesting,
breaking down the film, watching them from game to game.
The first thing that you have to understand about Michigan State, Doug,
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is that they have been a mash unit, you know.
I mean, they're the injuries and the coaches and credit
them because their coaching staff, led by Mark D'Antonio, does
not create excuses for themselves like other coaching staff would.
And you've been around those type of coaching staffs, you
know in broadcasting that will tell you every injury under
the sun, and they use it as a crutch that
Michigan State is not that way. And yet they've had
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just a probably more injuries than maybe anybody else in
the country. Last week, they traveled to Penn State and
they had six of their normal starters that didn't even
make the trip on offense alone. They had another corner
that the missing, so that seven starters not playing in
that ball game, they were able to go out there
and get a win. Um last week was the first
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time all year that they had the same five offensive
lineman started game and finish a game together. That same
five is back, so I think some of the inconsistencies
can be explained away just based on on that. Having
said that, I think the worry some part about Michigan
State is that they don't run the ball like they
used to. And this is a team that relies heavily
on running the football and they're gonna need to against
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Michigan because Michigan is once again leading the country and
past defense. This would be the third straight year if
they were able to hold that number one ranking, that
they would finish with the number one past defense in
the country. And Brian Lurkie last the last two weeks,
really has thrown the ball fifty plus times for Michigan State.
I don't think that's a game plan that's going to
be successful for them, and they don't either, so they
know that they've got to find some semblance of a
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run game if they're gonna, you know, keep this one
close and ultimately pull the upset. You and I have
both watched Michigan and said, man, you know, they lost
the Trigg black kid, who is supposed to be their
top wide receiver, and there's a paucity of game breaking
talent out wide. They seem to have made up for
that using Shaye Patterson in a way in which he's
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more comfortable out of the pocket, both running and throwing
out of the pocket. Does that Does that make their
offense explosive enough to run through the Big Ten? I
think it does. You know. It was eye opening for
me and and people have gotten on me this week
because when I'm talking about Michigan, I tend to always
compare them to Ohio State because I think those are
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the two favorites, in particular with thin State losing twice
already in this season in the Big Ten Conference. And
after coming away from the Olhouse they game and and
seeing Michigan both on tape and then live against Northwestern,
I come away thinking to myself, boy, this this Michigan
team has got a great chance to win the conference.
And the reason is is not necessarily just say Patterson,
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but what he gives them, and then where they've improved
from where they were in previous seasons. You know, last
season alone, they were putrid protecting the pastor they did
not convert on third down very well, and because of that,
they couldn't sustain drives and they didn't score any points.
This year, that's totally opposite. There were one of the
better teams in the country converting on third down, in
large part due to the run game on first down,
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which I know that's kind of a chain reaction, but
part of that is that Sha has the ability to
run and some of those quarterback design runs created all
sorts of mismatches for them. Last week against Wisconsin, he
rolled out that eighty one yard run and it wasn't
until he did that that then Karen Hickten started getting
loose and ended up getting over the century mark because
Hickton in the first half did not do much. He
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was seven, you know, seven carries for eleven yards basically
in the first half, and then she got loose and
it opened everything up. A quarterback that can hurt you
with his is the great equalizer in college football, dug
and now Michigan has that. In fact, she has converted
more third down conversions with his feet this year then
all of Harbaugh's quarterbacks combined the first three years he
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was there. That's another. That's an and into this offense
that has been lacking missing. Now they have it, and
I think it makes them one of the more dangerous teams,
maybe in the country, but certainly in the Big Ten.
What do you make of Wisconsin? Why? Why? Why the
disappointing season? And I know they thought Nebraska Nebraska stinks.
And I know the beat Iowa at Iowa, which is
always a good win. But I mean, I don't know.
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They just you keep throwing a quarterback out there who
he was awful. I almost I can't believe they let
Horny Book play in the fourth quarter. Didn't mean he
wouldn't start this week against Illinois, but he was shook.
He was shook by that defense and he was so
rattled he couldn't complete anything. Is that is Horny Brook
alone the reason that this team is not as good
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as they were supposed to be. No, No, I think
that he's getting an undue share of the blame. Actually,
because if and I broke down his games leading into
that Iowa game that we called and Doug, he was.
He had been very good for them, dating all the
way back, even he was even pretty good against b
y U. He was decent against Ohio State last year
in the Big Big Ten Mempionship game. Dating all the
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way back to their game against Michigan, he had played
some really good football. So this was more of the operation.
Early in his career he struggled and he would have
those huge stinkers of a game, and this was one
of those. And I think that's an alarming thing. More so,
I think for them is that defensively, they've been so
good for so long and they're struggling finding two things.
One consistency in the back end and the second thing, Doug.
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They rely heavily on their edge rushers and their edge
defenders in that odd front. They have to stand up
outside linebackers. They've had guys like t. J. Watt and
so on and so forth, Vince the Beagle, uh, and
they don't have that guy anymore this year. They've had
some injuries at that position. They don't have great edge setters,
and it's really tough to run this defense. If you
don't have great edge setters and you don't have consistency
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the back end, they should get Da Coda Dixon back
their safety this week. The last week in the first
half due to targeting and injury, they had both of
their starting safeties that were not on the field against Michigan.
So I think some consistency issues as far as roster goes,
and then the fact that they don't have those edge
rudger rusher is what's really contributing to this. But I
hear you, but I think that Alex has one their
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best option, and two, I think he gets a little
bit of the undue share of of some of that blame.
Doug gotlip Show, Fox Sport Trader, that's uh. Fox Sports
lead college football analysts Joel Klatten. Let's keep in the
big ten. And you've come out in support of Nick
Bos's decision to leave Ohio State and get ready for
the NFL Draft. Now, I do think that somehow we're
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kind of complating other stories guys skipping bowl games with
this one. Guys getting bowl games because they don't want
to get hurt is different than a guy who actually
has been hurt and might not be healthy until uh,
the the peak time in their season. What's your take
on the on the boast of decision. Yeah, First of all,
that's an important distinction that you made there, very important distinction.
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Um a few different points I'd like to make. First
and foremost, I don't think this is an epidemic. I
think that these are are very isolated incidents that stuff
suk up all all the air out of the room.
And Doug we talk about him a lot, whether it's
the bowl game scenario or even a scenario like this,
which is more unique. So that's one thing. Again, the
reason it's not an epic bymic is because there's not
many guys like Nick Fosa that have completely solidified their
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draft stock. So many guys are still trying to improve
that draft stock. This dude's got the thirty million dollar ticket.
He's a top three pick all day long, probably was
a year ago. So again, very unique set of circumstances.
The other thing I would point to is what you
talked about, but also more so, it's such a unique injury.
You know, I think that this injury has been called
you know, abdomen. The thing about it is it's kind
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of more of a sports hernia and this surgery that
a lot of guys go to the Philadelphia area to get,
whether it's pro or college guys, it takes a good
two and a half three months to heal up from that,
just two. Then go out and test to see where
you're at. See, this is not a fractured bone, This
is not you know, a sprained ankle where the requisite
rest and you're going to be. An abdomen injury is
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just so much different because you can't test it. You
don't know until all of a sudden you try to
make an explosive movement and then whoa, all of a sudden,
you're you're set back two or three weeks. He didn't
want that, obviously, heading into the most valuable time in
his life. So I think that's been conflated a little bit.
And then also this fact if you had and I
made this analogy, and I don't know if you know,
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maybe it's good made it's not. But if you had
at home, don't don't understand your analogy, clap, don't understand you.
I'll tell you if it's not good. Don't worry, I'll
tell you what you're great at. Your The textures and
Twitter can great a here we go. So if you
had your whole life worked to restore a beautiful old car,
and it was your pride and joy, and you spent
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hours and hours and months and years tending to this car,
you were like Cameron's father and Ferris Bueller's day off,
and you groped with a diaper, you know, I mean
like it was everything again, and you knew that all
of a sudden in four months, someone was going to
give you the equivalent of thirty million dollars over four years.
And all you have to do is get the car
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to April. And all that had to do was was
be functional. And in the condition that you got it
to your whole life, would you drive it around? Probably not.
It's it's a good it's a good analogy. So it's
a it's a really good analogy. Um, it depends what
I got the car for. That's honest, like that, that's
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what I got to it. It's what I what I
got the car for, because because why would this be
everybody dug and I'm saying, well, not everybody has that car.
Not everyone has the car where someone guarantees you, yes,
I'm going to give you thirty million over four years. Again,
that's where this is so unique. Everybody else is still
working on that car. So you gotta go out and
you gotta test it, you gotta race it against other ones,
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all these different things. Everyone else is still trying to
establish the value of that car. If someone told you
your value is established, why would you drive it? Because
you get to drive the car? Like here, here's here
be what because, for example, you're gonna get to drive
it after April. Uh No, you'll drive a different car.
You'll have the money in your pocket to go buy
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another car. You'll you'll never get to play. Here's what
he's turning down. Okay, and I I understand the thing.
Um And just because his brother's people will say, well
his brother made money, he doesn't need money. No, that's
his brother's money. That's not his money. Okay. Um. One,
there's really there's very few, if any, career ending injuries anymore.
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Let's just kind of be honest, right, like medical science,
your career, you can cost yourself. It's fair, it's it's
it's a fair point. I mean those are you're talking
about one. Huh. But that was his second time he
tore his a c L in a in a year
second time, let's not throw those out. Well, I mean,
it happens, That's what I'm trying to say. It happened.
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It's happened, happened, happened once. Right, He's won Willis mcga,
Willis mcgate, Willis mc gave him his leg broken half
in his last college football game. He had a long
NFL career, so he can work work the other way.
My point is very few, if any career enders anymore,
it could cost him money. But but here's here's what
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you put online with. Why would you go out there
and potentially get it hurt worse than affect your value.
I understand, And I also think that those games that
he'd be coming back and playing it it's not like
coming back and playing against Illinois. It's coming back playing
against Michigan. It's coming back playing in the Big Ten
championship game. It's coming back playing in the national semifinals
in the finals. Like, that's a higher level and it
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puts more stress and strain. On the other hand, if
you reinjure your hernia, you just have a hernia surgery,
you'll be fine. He'll still be a top five draft pick.
But that's not the point. My point is like there's
still the human element of it, and I I can
only tell you that I want football players that want
to play football, and you've got a guy who could
play for Now, I guess here's here's the issue. I
don't mind element of value. I don't mean to interrupt.
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I mean, if you average, that's a business element football program.
They're taking about dollars. No, no, no, no no, you're
doing that. You're doing that way, you're doing that, you're
doing the thing. You're doing that thing to where you're
you're taking an argument and changing it into a completely
different argument about what you want to about, which is
about paying players. Remember these kids, these kids are put
into a different, a different scenario where they are There's
(38:16):
only two skills, Doug, that you in America as a
young man, cannot monetize for some arbitrary reason. Now I'm
talking about skills, not degrees. The ability to play basketball,
the ability to play football artificially. You are helped from
monetizing those to those two skills artificially. Okay, So I
don't want to blame a kid if he takes his
own future into his own hands and says, listen, I
(38:37):
don't want to play a few exhibition games late. If
I've already established my value and someone's gonna hand me
thirty million over four years, that to me, that's that
totally makes sense. And quite frankly, I don't think he
owes Ohio State anything. If I was Ohio State, I
would say thank you so much because we just essentially
got got you for zero. We we didn't have to
pay you a dime, and we got to you got
(38:59):
to increase value. We got to ride your back for
hold on, hold on, jem Joel nick Bosa did not
increase Ohio State's value one iota. There's not one less ticket.
There's not one. There's that one hold on, hold on,
hold on, true, This is absolutely true. You get a
bunch of one star kids and they're a a zero
(39:19):
win football team. They've got the same value. You do
You think that winds don't matter? Have they have? They lost?
They lost? You think Duke going out there and losing
every game is going to establish the same value. A
hold on a second, again, again, you're changing the argument.
He is he is not playing. He's not going to
play for Ohio State ever. Again? Correct? Correct? Is there
(39:40):
one less person? That's gonna watch Ohio State play. Is
there one less person is going to go to a game?
Is there one less person is going to go to again?
All I'm saying is that if you take him and
others like him away, ohiw states, not what it is. Listen,
we go around and round. My point is this, you're
basically you only get one more. You're taking the most
skilled framer from the construction yard, and you're saying like,
(40:03):
at the end of the job, once he's framed the
entire high house. No, you're you're also making this that's
a college football argument. You're making it a college football argument.
The NFL says, we don't want you for three years.
We don't want you for three year. Kids don't have
a seat at that table. You have to understand that's
the CPA negotiated thing, which they're not able to negotiate
(40:25):
at that tables in the NFL. Why would they want
young kids around. But you're making this, you're making this
about about Lois. You're making about is me college football
collusion and it's illegal, and it's that collusion in Salonleegal.
It is not collusion is not illegal. It is collectively
barking based upon for the union and the owners has nothing.
(40:47):
I'm not because if it was collusion or artificially holding
people that aren't party to those negotiations out of the negotiation,
that's collusion. No, it's if it was collusion, somebody would
have gone to court and sued and one by now,
and it hasn't been because this system that's been set up. Listen,
my point is simply this, you get one more like, dude,
(41:09):
you want to tell me that I would be okay,
is if we got to the middle of November. He's
like this, it's not gonna happen. I'm not gonna be
able to do it. I want to play against Michigan.
But pulling the rip chord now tells me that it's
a business decision, which is fine. But don't tell me
that you love football, that you want to play football,
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that you love your time. You're a captain at Ohio State.
You got a chance to finish you you want a
chance to finish undefeated. Undefeated every time a coach leaves
for a higher salary. But when a coach, when a
coach leaves for a higher salary, he's leaving a contract.
When a players leaving we're okay with him leaving a
(41:51):
contract to sign to play for a year for a house.
It is a contract, and he violated the contract. And
he violated the contract. Wait, if you have a deal.
If ESPN comes in and says, hey, we're gonna give
you a ten million ten you're gonna place herby next year,
but you want to do so, you gotta walk. Okay,
(42:12):
you gotta walk from Fox. You can't do any games
the rest of the year. How's that gonna go over?
W's gonna shut you down? So you can't ever be
on broadcast TV for the next five or six years
because that's what the contract says. That's the power that
they have. But the media, we take the stance like,
good for Nick bos He violated a contract. But it's cool.
You can pay ourselves, don't worry. All the millions of
(42:34):
dollars will pay all the coaches and administrators and the
commissioners are gonna pay themselves millions of dollars. But heaven forbid.
Nick Bose actually takes his own future into his own
hands after establishing his own value. You establish your value
based upon what you do in college, and then after
college you go out and you become a professional. That's
what happens in hundreds of professions across the country. Again,
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name another skill that you cannot monetize and tell some
arbitrary time being a doctor, doctor being a doctor, a doctor.
You just said, name a profession, I name too. No, no, no,
I don't say profession. I did not say in order
to be a teacher, you have to have a you
have to have a teaching degree in a teaching start,
(43:18):
I said skill. That is that's how they judge your skill, Yes,
it is. How else can they tell whether or not
you have the skills to be a teacher? Is an
arbitrary that is totally false. A degree is not a skill.
It's a requisite amount of knowledge. A skill set is
a skill set. Period. If you're a cellist or a
(43:41):
violinist or whatever, you can go monetize because because CELLI
at any time, as soon as your skill set is
that that it's good enough to earn a living with it,
you can do that. Except for basketball and football, because
we want those administrators to get their close in you
until they can squeeze all that value out. Why do
you make it most then? Why did you go into
(44:01):
a contract? Why is it necessary to make administrators who
have earned their doctorates, who support their schools and make
a couple of hundred thousand dollars into the worst human
beings on earth. I don't Jack Swarbrick making three million
dollars is a couple hundreds thousand that the a d
at Northwestern making one and a half million dollars. That's
just a couple of hundred thousands. But but one and
a half million dollars for a one and a half
million dollars for a guy who's been working for twenty
(44:23):
years in the business is not actually that much money
compared to what he can make in the private sector. Okay,
then go to the private sector, Joel clad joining us
in the Doug Galars, your last thing n C stayed
taking on Clemson. I'm gonna get the chance to go
to this game. I've never gone. I do want to.
I do want to ask you. Um, the kid at
NC State is supposed to be a first round draft
pick as a quarterback. Right he comes back, I think
(44:46):
he's under performing so far as that's the word I'm doing.
I haven't had a chance to study him, Doug, but
I will after the year. But from from the conversations
I've had with a few scouts and even a couple
of gms. Listen, and he has he has under delivered
so far. Uh, And it's not just production or wins
and losses. Remember, it's a very different evaluation. Meanwhile, let's
(45:08):
get up at Oregon. He's the one that's over over delivering.
People are saying that his stock is going through the roof.
But if you're you're asking about that game in particular,
I just don't buy that NC State is good enough. Remember,
Clemson is coming off of a buy the last time
they played. They want sixty three to three. And their
quarterback is a young kid that is going to get
better and better every time he goes out, because that's
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what happens with young kids that are getting more and
more reps. So Trevor Lawrence is a guy that I
fully expect to continue to get better. And that defensive
front four for Clemson is so good. They're one of
the nation's leaders and zacks tackles for loss. I just
I don't see a way in which the Pack is
able to compete with Clemson. I will point out that
they won in overtime two years ago, same field, and
(45:50):
they won by seven last year at NC State. NC
State traditionally has played them very very close, especially with
this they have. I think the one thing that I'm
concerned with is that generally when Clemson has struggled in
the past to the Syracuse games, notwithstanding it's it's been
because of dominant defensive lines and all those guys now learning.
It's always you know what Gladly Chubb has been able
(46:12):
to do with the Denver Broncos. But you're right, the
historically NC State has played well. I don't see it
this year, but I might be wrong. Joel, great stuff,
Good Duel, enjoy our safe travels to UM East Lansing
and look forward to hear you call me name and likeness.
I mean, the universities don't have to pay, just give
them their name and likeness back. It's not actually valuable.
(46:35):
It's not actually valuable. I hate to hate to break
it to you. Johnny Manzel has been gone from Texas
A and M for years. They haven't sold one less seat,
one less Jersey, haven't been on TV any less. Just
it's kind of a it's it's actually actually colleges, which
commenze at the height of his name and likeness. Value
was prevented from getting it, So now go back. He
(46:55):
got back to got he got the heisman which which
he can profit on for the rest of his life. Values,
values in that in that brand Joel Clad, the values
in Joel Clad's brand. He happens to work for Fox.
They gain all the benefits of having Joel on their Okay,
Joel great stuff. Do
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