October 25, 2018 • 39 mins
Musick, Ryan Today, 3:15 PM De Lapp, Lee Doug tells you why the Dodgers are down 0-2 to the Red Sox in the World Series and why you can't solve everything on a spread sheet. He also talks about the Raiders and why it doesn't matter if head coach Jon Gruden has already lost the locker room. NFL on FOX analyst on Hall of Famer Troy Aikman joins the show to tell Doug if Texans QB Deshaun Watson can stay healthy and if Amari Cooper will fix the sluggish Cowboys offense.
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Do Do, Do, dude, We'll get to the major We'll
like to get to the World Series in just a moment.
Let me quickly tell you what's coming up this hour.
Ed Warder always has more. We'll get you ready for
bro October. I don't know. I was just watching Fox
Sports One getting ready for the show. And now I
did calher and have a little uh fun with brock
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Os while they're trying to promote the game. But I
was actually watching um during the commercials our friends at
Fox TV, they said, uh, the Houston Tections with one
of the most dynamic combinations on offense. And then they
go there and they got J. J. Watt, and they
got Nuke, and they got Deshaun Watson and they got
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taken on the Miami Dolphins, right who got rid of
all of their big name players in the off season. Still,
it's going to be interesting considering this. Uh uh, this
is a Miami team that's still kind of hanging around,
coming off an overtime win over the Bears before the
loss last week. I got off to the hot start,
then came back down to Earth, then the big wins,
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surprising win of the Bears, the lost last week. Still
waiting for Ryan Tannehill. We'll see tonight. We'll get you
ready with Edward Or will join us upcoming in fifteen minutes.
A J. Prazinski is gonna join us World Series champ
with with the White Sox, and we'll be on Fox analysts.
R J. Bell will get us ready for the weekend,
and and Troy Aikman will join us in the third
and final hour of the show. We'll get his thoughts
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not just on tonight's game that he's calling on Fox
in the NFL network, but also I want to get
his thoughts on the changes that are being made in Dallas.
Amari Cooper new wide receiver. Who how cool is that
that he's gonna go, He's gonna get back, He's gonna
get two by weeks instead of one. Anyway, a lot
to get to. Let me start with what analytics is
trying to convince this doesn't exist. If analytics tells us
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that pressure can be calculated, analytics tells us that there
is a calculation essentially for everything, even luck as a calculation.
Analytics has tried to convince me for years years that,
for example, uh, that there that protection in the lineup
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doesn't exist, right, that it doesn't really matter who hits
in front of you or behind you. But last time
I checked, this sport is not played by robots. And
when you have some of the most talented hitters in
the game hitting behind a guy, it stands to reason
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that the pictures are going to try and get the
the gentleman in front of them out more readily. Never
is this more apparent than watching the Red Sox play
when J. D. Martinez is coming up. It makes it
harder and harder to pitch to Steve Pierce. Right, you
get tight, that's what happened with Brian Madson. He comes in,
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basses are juiced, and though he was good in the
wild card, uh, and the excuse me, in the in
the d S and in the CS, he was obviously
not good in Game one. And among the things that
were led to believe, we're led to believe that again
in baseball protection, there's no real calculation for it. There's
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no such thing as Texan in the lineup. Now. I'm
not sitting here telling you Steve Pierce isn't a good hitter.
He's eleven home runs this year. Good for him. His
on base was that's excellent. Um, even if you look
at his slugging five oh seven, like he's a damn
good player, you couldn't pick him out of lineup. If
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I said J D. Martinez, could you pick him out?
You mean j D. Martinez who had forty three home
runs and a hundred and thirty RB. I of course
you could, and so too can Ryan Madson. So Ryan
Madson comes out of the pen and throws four balls
that aren't even really close, and we're supposed to believe
that it only had to do with the fact that
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Ryan Matson threw four balls because the numbers tell you
that Madison was the best guy to go to. My
eyes can tell me that he was tight. And oh yeah,
by the way, my senses, my spidy senses, and my
reasonable analysis of a human being can tell you, tell
me that when J. D. Martinez is in the on
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deck circle. And by the way, you you couple it
with the pressure of the moment, the fact that you're
in the fifth inning and you might not be able
to win a game in the fifth inning, but you
can sure as hell lose it. And that's what it
felt like happened to the Dodgers. When you come in
and you see J. D. Martinez, it's gonna make you type.
You factor in the fact that he pitched poorly the
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night before, and it's the World Series, and look, he
might have had a really good couple of series, and
but that has gone out the window. Madsen's lost his confidence,
but his skipper hasn't lost his confidence. In the book
or whoever is advising him. This robotic effect to Dave
Roberts going back to the well, thinking he was the
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right guy because he was the right guy before, because
the numbers told him he was the right guy. The
whole idea that analytics is trying to tell me that
human beings aren't human beings, that they won't re adversely
to different conditions in different times. That's the magic to
Derek Jeter, right, Derek Jeter's batting average is essentially the
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same in the post season as it was in the
regular season. But Derek Jeter is a one in a
million shot. Most guys are like Ryan Manson. You have
good days, you have bad days. You got a good
streak going, then all of a sudden, you pitch poorly
and now you're tight and oh yeah, by the way,
G D J. D. Martinez is on deck and you
pooped the bed. You know, how does how does analytics
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explain Clayton Kershaw? It can't, It can't. It used to be.
It used to say, well, you know, in the seventh inning,
once his pitch count gets up, that was the explanation.
And now let's sit there and say, well, you know,
he's down several miles an hour. But the fact is
that Clayton Kershaw has been Clayton Manning. He's been like
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a five pitcher in the postseason after being the most
dominant regular season pitcher we've ever seen. Now I'm not
telling you that there aren't other factors. Mcclintker shop. In
those years in which he fell apart against the Cardinals
in the seventh inning, he was pitching over two innings
in the regular season, he was carrying his team. They
wouldn't have been there without him. But the fact is
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that analytics don't really account for that, the wear and
tear and just pressure of a season and then all
of a sudden the postseason and the weather kind of changes.
Sure they have splits, Sure they have what you pitch
in certain weather, but you can't account for pressure of
the moment, combined with fatigue, combined with who's in the
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on deck circle, combined with the the umpire who may
or may not on a given day have a high
or low strike zone. I know that there are some
individual calculations, but factored all together, and you don't have that.
And then some of it is just this. The Dodgers
can use analytics all you want. It's not like the
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Red Sox don't use it. Although Joey Corus seems to
be a witch and have a way of figuring out,
how did I say, Joey Ki did it again? Alex
Cora seems to have a way with finding every right
move to make. Does I didn't think you should take
out Joe Kelly in the first game, but he did.
But he seems to have this just magical wand effect.
It's not like the Red Sox don't use it. But
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but the Dodgers getting cute with who they're gonna put
in their lineup on a given night just tells you
that they they kind of know what the rest of
us already figured. The Red Sox are the better team,
and the way they think they can win is by
being cute, by using some sort of numericle long range
formula that ultimately will work out but doesn't play in
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a seven game series. I'm not telling you anything you
didn't know, but if you didn't know, the Red Sox
are clearly better than the Dodgers. The Dodgers haven't even
played well, but it doesn't seem to matter because the
Dodgers are so tied to analytics they can't get out
of their own way, and it's taken some of the
best players off the field and made some poor pitching decisions.
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Here's Dave Roberts on his decision to go back to
Ryan Mattson for a second consecutive night. For me, right there,
I have a decision to make to give her a
chance to get out of that spot and face Pierce,
or go with a guy that I know matches up
really well, hasn't seen much of them, saw him the
night prior. But I just felt that again Mattison was
the right guy to get us out of that. And
that was a difference in the game right there. You know,
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you talk about things before the game happens, and I
just felt it again Mattson was the right guy in
that spot. Yeah, and he's gonna die in there. He's
gonna he's gonna die on that hill. All right, I'm
gonna I'm gonna say it again. He was the right guy.
He didn't throw a strike, Dave, you didn't throw a
strike and he excuse me, he threw one, but the
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four that were balls, um And and look, you could
even go with the shrinking strike zone theory, right like
in big moments on the road, you know, on the road,
especially in Fenway, that strikes own shrinks. But the idea
all the balls were in the same spot, Like, hey,
make an adjustment here. I know you want to be
perfect against these guys, but you've got J. D. Freaking
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Martinez behind him. You gotta throw strikes. And this is
no different baseball, just like basketball and football. It does
come down to the basics that you teach your kids
when they're when they're little. Right like, um, my new house.
We have a we have a we have a backyard
in which we haven't had in California. We got grass
and everything. Whoa. And so last night, for the first time,
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my son and I played catch in our new Backyard's
got new sod kind of down. It still hasn't taken in,
but we measured off and he pitches, depending on the league,
forty six ft and he's nine, and he knows how
to throw a little bit of a curveball, a little
bit of a slider. We prefer him to throw a
change up, but he wants to throw all the stuff.
And I said, hey, dude, nobody's gonna let you pitch
unless you can go out there and throw strikes. If
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you throw strikes and they wail away on it, and
no coach is gonna be mad at you. You know,
just throw strikes. If you just throw strikes, you're gonna
be better off. You're gonna pitch more often, and then
you get up O two and then you can fool
around and throw a curve ball, which ends up being
like a change up that doesn't move. And that's no
different than when Matson comes in. Whatever you do, just
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throw strikes. But but I don't blame Madison for not
having personal confidence in the moment coming off a game.
He didn't pitch well against the guy who's seen him. Roberts,
by the way, contradicts himself. Well, you know he hasn't
really seen him. He did see him in Game one, though,
and as we talked about yesterday with Matt Holiday, seeing
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a guy for a second time in two days does
make you at least feel better about that approach. He
ended the game in Game one, bottom of the fifth,
gave up two runs after a walk a fielder's choice
in a single end of the game. Game to bottom
of the fifth gave up three runs. He walked the
first batter Piercy saw and then of course you saw J. D.
Martinez on a single. So I don't whatever the numbers
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tell you, right, you want to tell me it's an anomaly, Hey,
the numbers told me. The numbers told me, I call
it pressure. Pressure makes anyone performed differently. It does. Have
you ever had a camera put in your face when
you're at a sporting event and then you go back,
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You're like, man, I acted like a complete idiot? Why
was that a little bit pressure? Some people can't handle
the pressure of public speaking. They get up there and
they have a time limit, they have microphone, they have
a light in their face. It doesn't even matter that
Ryan Mattson has shown he can pitch under pressure in
the d S and the CS. The fact is, for
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whatever reason, in the World Series, especially when J. D.
Martinez is on deck, he hasn't felt fair well. And
Dave Roberts, you know, trying the same thing over and
over again expecting a different result. We know what. That's
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Chevez Ravine Fox Major League of MLB. Pregame starts at
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Five Pacific Red Sox Dodgers and not elimination game, but
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must win time. Now A j what what's your assessment
of Dave Roberts managing to this point. He's done what
he's done all year. Uh. And it's tough, man. It's
tough to look guys in the face and say, hey,
guess what. Cody Bellinger, Max Munsey, these guys. Jock Peterson said,
you're not gonna play the first two games. You're not
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gonna start the first two games of the World Series.
And those are some of your best players, and they've
been there for you all year. And I know they've
done it all year, but I'm a big believer, and
you go with your best nine, especially in crunch time.
And he hasn't done it and hasn't worked the first
two games. But now they get to go home to
l A and we'll see what happens. But I heard
you talking about Ryan Matson. I mean, that's one of
the problems with all this bullpenning that everyone's so in
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love with, is all it takes is one guy to
have an off night and it screws up the whole thing. Yeah,
and I liken it to surgery, right like, more times
you go in, the more times something something can go wrong. Um.
And I also think that that that while all that
statistical data is great, different guys react differently to different
levels of pressure. And I mean you could tell in
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Game one he wasn't right. I'm watching him in Game two.
I'm like, dude, this guy has no confidence. I just
I don't really, I don't really understand. Is this what
Dave Roberts wants to do? Or is this what he
was hired to do? And so that's why he's doing
You're gonna have to ask Andrew Freeden and that is
he the the president of baseball ops over there the
Dodger land. Um, I don't know think it's what he's
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done now? Was he hired because he would say he
would do this? I would say he probably had to
say okay to whatever they wanted because he was a
young guy with no experience. So, um, but does he
want to do it? I think he's had enough success
with it that he believes in it now. Um, but man,
does he want to do this? I don't know. I mean,
I'm sure he wished Kershaw and and when you would
go out there and give him nine solid anything, he
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didn't have to worry about it. But that hasn't happened,
and the Dodgers haven't followed that philosophy. For the last
two post seasons, we've seen no a J. Persinski joining
us on the Doug got Lib Show. What about the
idea that, hey, the Red Sox are just better? Is
that a fair explanation for what's happened? I can't argue
with that. Yes, there's been some questionable moves, but yeah,
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at the end of the day, I think you looked
one through. The Red Sox have a better team. I
mean their lineup is done what they've done all year,
and that's hit there. They just you know what the
Red Sox have. They have guys to get big hits.
Forget the numbers. I know J. D. Martinez, Mookie Best
is probably the the most valuable player in the American League.
But they got guys just get big hits and big situations.
You give me twenty five guys to get big hits
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and then that may not be the biggest names, but
I'll take those twenty five guys and go to battle
every time. How do you explain the two out the
two out rallies they've had the fact that they've dominated
with two outs. That's that's my point. There, you go,
They've got guys to get big hits and they want
to be up in those situations. There's a there's a
huge difference between having guys that say, oh, yeah, I
want to be the man. I want to be the man.
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I want to be the man, and then having guys
that actually want to be the man. And you've got
a couple. You've got nine guys on the Boston Red Sox.
I played with a bunch of those guys. Ian Kinsler,
I played with Mitch Moreland, I played with Mookie Batt's,
Sander Bogart's. All these guys were guys that I played
with somewhere along in my career. And these guys all
thriving that under those pressure situations, they want to be
up in those situations. And there's a huge difference. You
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gotta want to be up in those situations and until
you step into the box and you can accept it, Hey,
I might make it out right here, but I want
I want the pressure on me. Then you can kind
of own in. And the Red Sox have those guys,
and it is it is to be the team of
those guys. I'm not saying the Dodgers guys aren't like that.
But to me, if you look at the way the
Red Sox are playing, the confidence they have in the
way they go about it, and they want to be
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up in those big situations. What changed with Craig Kimberll Well,
he was tipping pitches, wasn't he noting? Everyone was saying
that that simple? No? Is it something when he holds
his arm out to the right hand side, if he
holds it a certain angles at a certain pitch like that,
that whole peering in thing is odd. Like when was
he tipping pitches? They said? When he was? I think
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when he was bringing his glove up is what they
were saying. But I don't know. I mean, she's if
it was that simple, I mean, everybody would have hit
him all year because trust me, there's cameras on everything
you do. So I don't know he was off on
this fastball. First of all, the the Astros did a
great job of laying off some really good pitches. They
didn't swing in his breaking off. You watch those games
and you notice in those games they did not swing
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in a breaking ball, So did they know they were coming.
Maybe where they guessing and counts maybe? Um, excuse me?
Were they great hitters? Yes? And did they lay off
a lot of good pitches? Yes? So they also had dude.
They also had a dude in the camera. Well who
was he was? He was he was making sure that
they weren't they weren't stealing signs, right, that's that's that's interesting.
I mean, but hey, MLB cleared him, so obviously they
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were doing no wrong. Right, Yeah, I love I love
how they cleared him and then said, but no one
else can do that ever again. There's nothing wrong with
what he did, but we're not going to do that
ever again. Well, you know, they gotta they gotta make
sure that everyone understands that they shouldn't do that again
and that they weren't doing anything wrong. You just had
an investigation in two days to make sure that he
was just making sure that the Red Sox weren't stealing signs.
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It was. It was an interesting play by MLB, but
I think everyone in all parties were satisfied with the
result because the Red Sox won the series. Are are
the Are the Dodgers dead? I don't think they are.
I just don't. I think they're gonna They're gonna find
a way in l a um the cold. The Fenway
Park is a different animal until you've played a playoff game.
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And if you look at the the Dodger roster, they
don't have a bunch of guys that have ever played there.
There wasn't a ton of guys that have played the
outfield there. They haven't been in games there. Kershaw had
never pitched there. I mean, there is some major factors
and some major different things. The way you warm up
there is different than any other park. The way you
play the outfield and play the infield and and move around,
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and the dugouts are weird. It's just a different atmosphere.
And until you've been there and you've played in the
death place, you cannot tell someone it would be like
like you played college of basketball, would be like the
first time you went to say Kansas and just has
the courts the same. Everything is the same, but something's
just a little bit off. That's Fenway Park. Yeah. I
would also say, and you tell me if I'm wrong, Like, look,
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if you're you're a Dodger and I live in southern California,
but I've lived back East, like your Dodger. That means
eighty two home games the year you got perfect weather, right,
and then and then and then of your road games.
San Francisco can get a little chilly. Um. But outside
of that in division uh and and maybe if you
play in Colorado earlier late in the year, outside of
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that you're playing in perfect weather or in domes, you
probably play twenty game. It's a summer sport. You're playing
twenty games all year at most where it's below sixty degrees.
Sixty degrees, yeah, that they had the other night where
Clayton Kersha had only pitched one game under fifty degrees. Heck,
when I was in Chicago, we played three months in
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or fifty degrees. So and it is different. Like I
tell people this all the time. The coldest day in
the United States is fifty degrees in Newport Beach. Because
you're just not used to it, and it's twenty degrees
below what you're used to, you're like, oh my god,
this is the coldest I've ever felt. And so San Francisco,
you go to San Francisco, it's like that. It's it's
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crazy how cold and how chilly, and just San Francisco.
I mean the middle of August and it's seventy seventy
degrees high and fifty cloud in foggy at night. I mean,
it feels like you're in the frozen tundra. A J.
Persinski joining us on the Doug Gotlip Show on Fox
Sports Radio. Um, give me your sense of of Walker
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Bueller and the likelihood that he steps up and that
doesn't just pitch well, but you can get out of
say the fifth inning, where they haven't gotten you know,
one star goes four and one star goes five. So far,
they don't want him. They don't do they want him
to go to the fifth inning? That would be my question,
they really want them to go to the fifth inning
because they could have gotten guys through the fifth inning
where you could have got through the fifth inning last
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night if they really wanted them to. But that's not
the way the Dodgers play. They don't. They don't care
if they get through the fifth inning. They just they
just want guys to get them to their bullpen as
fast as they can. That's that's the Dodgers baseball. That's
just the way it is. So I don't know do
they even really want him to go to the fifth inning.
If he could, he's got the stuff. That guy is nasty. Mean,
that guy's stuff is as good as anybody's stuff I've
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seen this year. So could he do it? Yeah? Could
he go out and pitch great and have a rich
Hill situation from last year? Or the show was dealing
in the fifth inning and they took him out just
because the computer said it take him out? Absolutely? So
do they want him to get through the fifth inning?
If they do, he will, And if they don't, then
don't make their decision and they'll live with it. I
was talking about. This is my producer. If you're a millennial,
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it's really hard for people to understand how how bad
the Red Sox were or how they couldn't get over
the hump the eighties six years and and now you
got all these you know, you get The good thing
about the Red Sox invading Dodger Stadium is they're also
polite and none of them are arrogant at all. Right,
So that's funny. People used to ask me all the time,
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they're the worst fans were And I used to always say,
you know what they were, the Yankee fans, and then
the Red Sox one, and then it all changed. It
was like, man, you guys used to be so nice
because you guys have never won, and then all of
a sudden, you guys win, and you're not so nice anymore.
What happened to that nice that you guys used to have.
It used to be like, oh, you know, they're Boston,
they're fine, but man, you got the Yankees standing maybe
all over. And then as soon as the Red Sox
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one to know for it completely changed. And now it's
just they win all the time. Now it's just a
given anither Patriots are gonna win and the Red Sox
are gonna win. But the Patriots were bad for a
long time and the Red Sox were worse for even longer.
And it's hard to explain. Somebody like, trust me, this
is like the when the Saints won the Super You're like,
you know, it's like ten years ago. They used to
wear bad paper bags over their heads. Be like no way, Like, yeah,
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the Saints were. The Saints were what the Browns have
been the last five years, But they were that way
for twenty five years. You're right, you're right, um, and
the Red Sox were like that forever. Um, so yeah,
It's amazing how certain people come in. Heck, look at
the Cubs. The Cups are the same way. Now. The
Cubs are America's Darling. I mean, they win, they once
they won. I mean, man, it's like everyone just assumes
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they win every year now. But it's not that easy,
especially in baseball. But it is good for the game though.
I think. I think it's good for the Red Sox
to be good. It's good for the Yankees to be good.
I know people all get tired of seeing them, but man,
people tune in to watch those series. What's you mentioned
that that Fenway's tricky? What's Dodgers Stadium like? Very fair? Um?
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Not that not a not a great place to hit.
The games are at five o'clock. The shadows are gonna
be tough. Um, it's very fair if the Marine layers there.
As you know, being out in l A, it can
be a little difficult to get the ball out of
the park. But um, it is very fair. It's it's
definitely one of the most fair ballparks for a picture
in all of baseball. With the game trending towards offense
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and home runs, Dodger Stadium is very fair and it
gives up home runs, it should be home runs, and
hopefully the people arrive on time, because Dodger Stadium has
a reputation of guys showing up a little bit later.
The fans um, but they'll be on full force and
they'll be loud, and they'll be behind their team. But
understand is always a fun place because you know it's
gonna be seventy and sunny every game. So so very
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fair to people who don't don't know the baseball lingo.
That's like like New Yankee Stadium, where you hit a
little dink up in the air and right center and
it goes out that that's the opposite of being very fair. Right,
I'm just trying to give the very fair means you
have to hit a home run. To hit a home run, Um,
it Actually, to be honest with you, I think that
if anything, Dodger Stadium is a pictures park. Over not
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quite to the fact that like a T and T
up in San fran is a pictures park, but it is.
It definitely leans more to it's pitching in a dot
towards hitting a j great stuff. Look forward to seeing
you on Fox this upcoming weekend. Thanks so much for
joining us, Hey, no problem, thanks for having me guys
A J. Prasinski joining us on the Doug got Lib Show.
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handled the trades has them questioning the coaches. Quote accountability.
When what you say and what you do are two
different things. There's a problem when players said. Veteran players
who spoke with Tafer indicated that they don't believe Gruden
when he says he's not tanking in two thousand eighteen.
You have to wonder if we haven't been playing for
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draft picks all along. One player said, despite everything the
coaches told us a training camp. Another player described the
Mac deal as a stiff jab, but the Cooper trade
as a knockout punch because the players were blindsided by
it coming out of a bye. We didn't want to
believe it was coming, and coach says we weren't going
to trade him. The veteran said he actually didn't say
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he wasn't gonna trade him, and part of the reason
they didn't think they were gonna make the clil Mack trade.
And part of the reason they didn't think they were
going to make it Amari Cooper trade was no one
believed that someone would give him a first round pick
and take Amari Cooper's entire contract off his hands. People
didn't believe that anybody would offer two first round picks
for clil mac and then give him the biggest contract
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in the history of the league at his position, but
they did. This is a lot like when you ask
a coach after a big game. I had on was
Jeff Brom earlier this week from from Purdue. I'm not
gonna ask him about Louisville. Louisville's coaching. Louisville's position is
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not open. He played there, It is not open. And
oh yeah, by the way, as of right now, they
o Petrino a lot of money. They're still on the
hook with a lawsuit with Pattino for a lot of money.
So I was to ask him first, it's n fairy
still got games to be played. Second, like, he may
answer the question no, I'm I'm in on on Perdue,
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but by the end of the season he may see that,
you know, there's just a ceiling to this program. And
oh yeah, by the way, whatever money is out there
that he feels like Louisville doesn't Louisville doesn't have. Now
they make it out of the Patino deal, they make
it out of the Petrino deal. They may have f
you money to throw at him, and that may change everything.
Sometimes it depends when you ask a guy. But the
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biggest thing is, we're we're so concerned about coaches losing
a locker room. What if you love the locker room
that you didn't want to keep to begin with. He
can't tell you they're tanking, can't tell his own players,
Heyward tanking. The first rule of tank club, John Ramos
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is don't talk about tank club. The second rule of
tank Club, Ryan Music is you do not talk about
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hall of famer from the Dallas Cowboys, three time Super
winning quarterback, joinses here on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Troy,
thanks so much for taking time. Um, I think Brock's
gonna handle tonight. Going back to Houston, the team that
signed him as a free agent, but jettison to him
after it clearly didn't work. Yeah, I think he's downplayed,
you know, what it means to come back here to
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Houston and whatever the relationship was or wasn't with with
him and Bill O'Brien. But if you're any kind of competitor,
as you well know, to come back here and where
you you know, basically got jettisoned after one season, you
want to put on a great performance. It's gonna be
a challenge for him. They're they're pretty beat up the
wide receiver position after last week's game against the Lions,
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and then they're facing a defense that has played exceptionally well.
I don't think the numbers really tell the whole story
about about that defense and how they're gonna handle you know,
Jadeveon Clowney and and J. J. Watt is any but
he's guests, nobody really has been able to do that.
So this will be uh, this will be a real
challenge not only for brock Oswalder coming and play well,
but for the entire Dolphins team. No question. Now, they
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do have one guy you can count on that's Frank Gore.
Who didn't you guys come out of school the same year.
If he feels that way, doesn't it. Yeah, we've been
He's pretty remarkable, you know. I mean when you look
at what he's been able to do at his age
and and I you know, and getting ready for this
game and studying him, Uh, he looks like the same
guy to me. I'm sure he doesn't, you know, run
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quite as well. And you know, for those that don't
really know a lot about Frank Gore's career, essentially most
people thought it was over before it ever got started. Uh,
blowing out you know, both a cls in college, and
he's been Uh, he's been a fun guy to watch
for a lot of years. How is that possible? I
guess Here here's a here's a question. Um, he's never
been the best running back in the league. He's probably
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never been the second or even third best running back
in the league. But I think he's got by Mike
eight thousand yards seasons. Um, just kind of the picture
of consistency. Is that worthy of getting into the Hall
of Fame? Well, he's certainly in the argument. I think
someone could could make a case for why he deserves
to be in the Hall of Fame. And and then
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when you look at his numbers, h Granted he's played
a long time, but when you look at his numbers
relative to a lot of running backs that are in
the Hall of Fame, uh, it stands the reason that
he has a good chance to get in. And I
think probably the most remarkable thing to me for a
guy who's taken the punishment that he takes and at
his age, he has not missed a game, uh since
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two thousand and eleven. Umbelievable. Yeah, I mean he's been
durable and an elite where you know, guys get injured
all the time. He's been there. He's I loved him
when he was in San Francisco, and I like him
now that he's in Miami as well. All Right, here's
a hard question to ask, but you're the perfect guy
to ask. You run great teams, you went to the
you're in the Hall of Fame, six time pro bowler,
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super m v P. Right, but when people look at
your stats and then they look get you know, Pat
Mahomesteads are like, well, this guy's but the sport has
changed so dramatically right the between and not just a quarterback.
Everything you can block further down the line of scrimmage,
uh than you used to be able to pick plays.
They almost never call a pick play, um, you know,
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in a game, and then you can't touch wide receivers
and so it's been more plays, more yards. So how
should what's the proper way for us the fan? When
you watch a quarterback, it's totally different. But for us
the fan, we're so trained to look at that box score.
We see three yards and we're like, oh, he had
a good game. How do we know if a guy
had a good game. Well, I think that I think
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the eyeball test. I don't think it's a matter of seeing, uh,
seeing numbers and all that, um, as far as you
know what's going on when you go back afterwards you
look at a box score and say, well, this guy,
I think you can watch a game and know whether
a guy's playing well. I I think the argument that
that you know, well, hey, this guy should be awarded
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this because look his numbers compared to someone else's. I
I've never thought that that really meant much of anything.
It's just not the way the game's played. And so
I think when you look back at the seventies with
Roger Staback. When he left the game, he was the
number one rated quarterback of all time, and it was
in the in the low eighties, and and now if
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you're not in the mid nineties, you're you're essentially not
playing the position very effectively, and so a lot has changed.
I think it's been exciting this year, especially with with
the emphasis on you know, illegal contact and things like that.
Down the field scoring is up. I think that's what
fans want, at least that's what they they claim to want,
and that's what the studies suggest, and that's why the
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league has had some of the rules that they've had.
But I think that most fans, if not all fans,
can can watch a game and watch a quarterback and
have a pretty good idea as to whether or not
that guy had a good performance. Not so much with
other positions. There's a reason why you always here coaches say, hey,
we gotta go back and look at the film and
and and I think there's a lot of truth to that.
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It's it's hard to see it all in real time.
But I don't know that that's the case with quarterbacks.
Fill the void with the no world serious Knight you
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be alongside coverage begins seven thirties cron time, four thirty Pacific,
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doing yeoman's work. Um, he claims that you're in better
shape now than you were when you played. That's what
he told us. Well, that might be true. And I
and you know, I think when you start making those
kinds of statements, then basically what you're saying is you've
gotten old. I mean, you don't. You don't hear twenty
five year old saying, Hey, I'm in the best shape
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of final. So I think my training is much different,
um than what it was as a player. And and
quite honestly, you know, I was. I trained hard when
I was when I was playing as well, but I
wish that I had done. I retired Doug when I did,
primarily because of a bad back. A lot of people
think of because of head injury, but my back was
giving a lot of problems and I hired a trainer
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five years into retirement because my back was still bothering me.
And I've been back paying free for now over ten years,
and I feel better, my diets better. I wish I
had known about this guy and was doing some of
these things back when I was playing. But you know,
when you brought up what we see today from these
quarterbacks in the numbers, the other part of that also is,
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you know, Tom Brady certainly has gotten behind wellness. But
we're seeing guys like Patrick Mahomes who come in very
early in their careers and they are already, you know,
following a strict regiment. They are a corporation essentially amongst themselves,
where they have a whole support staff to make sure
that they're doing all the right things to get themselves
ready and preserve their careers. And and so we're going
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going to see quarterbacks playing for a long long time,
and it's gonna it's gonna it's not gonna be abnormal
to see quarterbacks playing into their forties. Yeah, it's pretty
It's pretty amazing though, that we get to like forty
and now all of a sudden discovered like yoga. We're like, man,
why didn't I do this when I played? I know,
I know, and I and I, Hey, I've discovered yoga
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as well. You break that up, So you know a
lot of things. I think when you get older and
your listeners can can certainly relate that. You know, things
start hurting and breaking down, and then then that's usually
when they start drawing attention and you try to fix it.
But um, these these guys today, the athletes anyway, they're
they're taking much player care of themselves at much earlier age.
You did an amazing job in the draft. I just
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loved your level of investment in it. And and so
uh that that same level of evaluation when you see
Deshaun Watson who was banged up. I mean he had
to take a had to take like a bus or
a van because they were worried about him flying. And
then he plays on the road. I obviously know he's
questioned this kid's toughness, but can he be durable enough
considering the style he plays, the two A C l
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entries he's had, and the beating he's taken. Like, what's
your assessment of Deshaun Watson and what the likehood is
that that he withstands this season considering the injuries and
the durability well, it's a great question. And uh, you know,
we are seeing quarterbacks run the football more, more designed
runs with the quarterbacks and than we've ever seen before.
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Or the league's not protecting these guys as as as
much as as they once did. And and yet I
still believe that you've got to be real careful when
you're when when a guy is absorbing the amount of
hits that someone like Deshaun Watson has taken, it's already
taken a toll. Uh, Like you said he would take
a bust the last week's scheme because he's got a
broken rip or a punctured lung and and you know
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everything else. So, um, he is tough, You're right, but
he's taken away too many hits. Some of that is
the offensive line has really struggles. No, that's his own
doing that. He's just held the ball, and you know,
he needs to be a little bit better and knowing
when to get rid of it and not getting hit
as much. But if he continues to get hit the
way that he has, you know, and then you start saying,
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he's gonna have a real hard time making it through
the season. And I don't think he's back to where
he was last year prior to the injuries coming, you know,
obviously coming off the knee like you said, but then
also just playing through a great deal of pain. But
what a talent he is, and I'm excited about watching
him play tonight. I'm excited to see you break him down.
Last thing, Marii Cooper traded to the Dallas Cowboys. I
know everybody asked Cowboys question, does does he enough? Does
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he fix the offense which at times has been in apt,
causing Jason Garrett to be a little bit more conservative
than I think even Garrett wants to be. Well, I
think he's he's got to help him in in in
some way. I mean, you take a guy with his abilities, uh,
it stands the reason that they'll be better with him.
But I don't think it's just a situation where you
put him in and all of a sudden you're often rolling.
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You know, It's different than when Chicago brings in Khalil
Mack and you bring in a pass rusher. You're bringing
a running back and those positions in a lot of
ways are kind of plug and play. And that's not
the case with wide receiver. I've had receivers who I've
spent very little time with who immediately you're on the
same page. And and they run routes are very quarterback friendly.
And I've had other receivers who I've spent a lot
of time with an entire offseason and pre season, and
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you never feel like you're on the same page just
because of the way they do things. So I don't
know how that chemistry is gonna gonna work out. They
do have a bye week this week, but I don't
know how it's going to work out over the course
of the season between between he and back. But there
there are more problems with that with that offense than
simply saying, hey, we need a number one go to
wide receiver. Right, you know, the offensive line has not
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been you know, it's been set, but they are not
what they were a couple of years ago. Some of
that Travis Frederick not playing, but even the others who
have been in the lineup are not playing at the
same level. And Deck's been taking a lot of pressure.
And and then also when they've had the protection and
guys have been open, and you know, maybe Dak misses
the throw. So there's a lot of variables in this.
I'm a little hesitant to say that that a Marii
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Cooper's presence is going to change what they've shown us
up to this point. Offensively great stuff the Hall of Famer, Troy.
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Do Do, Do, dude, We'll get to the major We'll
like to get to the World Series in just a moment.
Let me quickly tell you what's coming up this hour.
Ed Warder always has more. We'll get you ready for
bro October. I don't know. I was just watching Fox
Sports One getting ready for the show. And now I
did calher and have a little uh fun with brock
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Os while they're trying to promote the game. But I
was actually watching um during the commercials our friends at
Fox TV, they said, uh, the Houston Tections with one
of the most dynamic combinations on offense. And then they
go there and they got J. J. Watt, and they
got Nuke, and they got Deshaun Watson and they got
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taken on the Miami Dolphins, right who got rid of
all of their big name players in the off season. Still,
it's going to be interesting considering this. Uh uh, this
is a Miami team that's still kind of hanging around,
coming off an overtime win over the Bears before the
loss last week. I got off to the hot start,
then came back down to Earth, then the big wins,
(01:44):
surprising win of the Bears, the lost last week. Still
waiting for Ryan Tannehill. We'll see tonight. We'll get you
ready with Edward Or will join us upcoming in fifteen minutes.
A J. Prazinski is gonna join us World Series champ
with with the White Sox, and we'll be on Fox analysts.
R J. Bell will get us ready for the weekend,
and and Troy Aikman will join us in the third
and final hour of the show. We'll get his thoughts
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not just on tonight's game that he's calling on Fox
in the NFL network, but also I want to get
his thoughts on the changes that are being made in Dallas.
Amari Cooper new wide receiver. Who how cool is that
that he's gonna go, He's gonna get back, He's gonna
get two by weeks instead of one. Anyway, a lot
to get to. Let me start with what analytics is
trying to convince this doesn't exist. If analytics tells us
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that pressure can be calculated, analytics tells us that there
is a calculation essentially for everything, even luck as a calculation.
Analytics has tried to convince me for years years that,
for example, uh, that there that protection in the lineup
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doesn't exist, right, that it doesn't really matter who hits
in front of you or behind you. But last time
I checked, this sport is not played by robots. And
when you have some of the most talented hitters in
the game hitting behind a guy, it stands to reason
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that the pictures are going to try and get the
the gentleman in front of them out more readily. Never
is this more apparent than watching the Red Sox play
when J. D. Martinez is coming up. It makes it
harder and harder to pitch to Steve Pierce. Right, you
get tight, that's what happened with Brian Madson. He comes in,
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basses are juiced, and though he was good in the
wild card, uh, and the excuse me, in the in
the d S and in the CS, he was obviously
not good in Game one. And among the things that
were led to believe, we're led to believe that again
in baseball protection, there's no real calculation for it. There's
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no such thing as Texan in the lineup. Now. I'm
not sitting here telling you Steve Pierce isn't a good hitter.
He's eleven home runs this year. Good for him. His
on base was that's excellent. Um, even if you look
at his slugging five oh seven, like he's a damn
good player, you couldn't pick him out of lineup. If
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I said J D. Martinez, could you pick him out?
You mean j D. Martinez who had forty three home
runs and a hundred and thirty RB. I of course
you could, and so too can Ryan Madson. So Ryan
Madson comes out of the pen and throws four balls
that aren't even really close, and we're supposed to believe
that it only had to do with the fact that
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Ryan Matson threw four balls because the numbers tell you
that Madison was the best guy to go to. My
eyes can tell me that he was tight. And oh yeah,
by the way, my senses, my spidy senses, and my
reasonable analysis of a human being can tell you, tell
me that when J. D. Martinez is in the on
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deck circle. And by the way, you you couple it
with the pressure of the moment, the fact that you're
in the fifth inning and you might not be able
to win a game in the fifth inning, but you
can sure as hell lose it. And that's what it
felt like happened to the Dodgers. When you come in
and you see J. D. Martinez, it's gonna make you type.
You factor in the fact that he pitched poorly the
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night before, and it's the World Series, and look, he
might have had a really good couple of series, and
but that has gone out the window. Madsen's lost his confidence,
but his skipper hasn't lost his confidence. In the book
or whoever is advising him. This robotic effect to Dave
Roberts going back to the well, thinking he was the
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right guy because he was the right guy before, because
the numbers told him he was the right guy. The
whole idea that analytics is trying to tell me that
human beings aren't human beings, that they won't re adversely
to different conditions in different times. That's the magic to
Derek Jeter, right, Derek Jeter's batting average is essentially the
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same in the post season as it was in the
regular season. But Derek Jeter is a one in a
million shot. Most guys are like Ryan Manson. You have
good days, you have bad days. You got a good
streak going, then all of a sudden, you pitch poorly
and now you're tight and oh yeah, by the way,
G D J. D. Martinez is on deck and you
pooped the bed. You know, how does how does analytics
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explain Clayton Kershaw? It can't, It can't. It used to be.
It used to say, well, you know, in the seventh inning,
once his pitch count gets up, that was the explanation.
And now let's sit there and say, well, you know,
he's down several miles an hour. But the fact is
that Clayton Kershaw has been Clayton Manning. He's been like
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a five pitcher in the postseason after being the most
dominant regular season pitcher we've ever seen. Now I'm not
telling you that there aren't other factors. Mcclintker shop. In
those years in which he fell apart against the Cardinals
in the seventh inning, he was pitching over two innings
in the regular season, he was carrying his team. They
wouldn't have been there without him. But the fact is
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that analytics don't really account for that, the wear and
tear and just pressure of a season and then all
of a sudden the postseason and the weather kind of changes.
Sure they have splits, Sure they have what you pitch
in certain weather, but you can't account for pressure of
the moment, combined with fatigue, combined with who's in the
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on deck circle, combined with the the umpire who may
or may not on a given day have a high
or low strike zone. I know that there are some
individual calculations, but factored all together, and you don't have that.
And then some of it is just this. The Dodgers
can use analytics all you want. It's not like the
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Red Sox don't use it. Although Joey Corus seems to
be a witch and have a way of figuring out,
how did I say, Joey Ki did it again? Alex
Cora seems to have a way with finding every right
move to make. Does I didn't think you should take
out Joe Kelly in the first game, but he did.
But he seems to have this just magical wand effect.
It's not like the Red Sox don't use it. But
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but the Dodgers getting cute with who they're gonna put
in their lineup on a given night just tells you
that they they kind of know what the rest of
us already figured. The Red Sox are the better team,
and the way they think they can win is by
being cute, by using some sort of numericle long range
formula that ultimately will work out but doesn't play in
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a seven game series. I'm not telling you anything you
didn't know, but if you didn't know, the Red Sox
are clearly better than the Dodgers. The Dodgers haven't even
played well, but it doesn't seem to matter because the
Dodgers are so tied to analytics they can't get out
of their own way, and it's taken some of the
best players off the field and made some poor pitching decisions.
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Here's Dave Roberts on his decision to go back to
Ryan Mattson for a second consecutive night. For me, right there,
I have a decision to make to give her a
chance to get out of that spot and face Pierce,
or go with a guy that I know matches up
really well, hasn't seen much of them, saw him the
night prior. But I just felt that again Mattison was
the right guy to get us out of that. And
that was a difference in the game right there. You know,
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you talk about things before the game happens, and I
just felt it again Mattson was the right guy in
that spot. Yeah, and he's gonna die in there. He's
gonna he's gonna die on that hill. All right, I'm
gonna I'm gonna say it again. He was the right guy.
He didn't throw a strike, Dave, you didn't throw a
strike and he excuse me, he threw one, but the
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four that were balls, um And and look, you could
even go with the shrinking strike zone theory, right like
in big moments on the road, you know, on the road,
especially in Fenway, that strikes own shrinks. But the idea
all the balls were in the same spot, Like, hey,
make an adjustment here. I know you want to be
perfect against these guys, but you've got J. D. Freaking
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Martinez behind him. You gotta throw strikes. And this is
no different baseball, just like basketball and football. It does
come down to the basics that you teach your kids
when they're when they're little. Right like, um, my new house.
We have a we have a we have a backyard
in which we haven't had in California. We got grass
and everything. Whoa. And so last night, for the first time,
(10:37):
my son and I played catch in our new Backyard's
got new sod kind of down. It still hasn't taken in,
but we measured off and he pitches, depending on the league,
forty six ft and he's nine, and he knows how
to throw a little bit of a curveball, a little
bit of a slider. We prefer him to throw a
change up, but he wants to throw all the stuff.
And I said, hey, dude, nobody's gonna let you pitch
unless you can go out there and throw strikes. If
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you throw strikes and they wail away on it, and
no coach is gonna be mad at you. You know,
just throw strikes. If you just throw strikes, you're gonna
be better off. You're gonna pitch more often, and then
you get up O two and then you can fool
around and throw a curve ball, which ends up being
like a change up that doesn't move. And that's no
different than when Matson comes in. Whatever you do, just
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throw strikes. But but I don't blame Madison for not
having personal confidence in the moment coming off a game.
He didn't pitch well against the guy who's seen him. Roberts,
by the way, contradicts himself. Well, you know he hasn't
really seen him. He did see him in Game one, though,
and as we talked about yesterday with Matt Holiday, seeing
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a guy for a second time in two days does
make you at least feel better about that approach. He
ended the game in Game one, bottom of the fifth,
gave up two runs after a walk a fielder's choice
in a single end of the game. Game to bottom
of the fifth gave up three runs. He walked the
first batter Piercy saw and then of course you saw J. D.
Martinez on a single. So I don't whatever the numbers
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tell you, right, you want to tell me it's an anomaly, Hey,
the numbers told me. The numbers told me, I call
it pressure. Pressure makes anyone performed differently. It does. Have
you ever had a camera put in your face when
you're at a sporting event and then you go back,
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You're like, man, I acted like a complete idiot? Why
was that a little bit pressure? Some people can't handle
the pressure of public speaking. They get up there and
they have a time limit, they have microphone, they have
a light in their face. It doesn't even matter that
Ryan Mattson has shown he can pitch under pressure in
the d S and the CS. The fact is, for
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whatever reason, in the World Series, especially when J. D.
Martinez is on deck, he hasn't felt fair well. And
Dave Roberts, you know, trying the same thing over and
over again expecting a different result. We know what. That's
the definition of Be sure to catch live editions. So
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Series Champion MLB on Fox Analyst Game three Tomorrow night
Chevez Ravine Fox Major League of MLB. Pregame starts at
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Five Pacific Red Sox Dodgers and not elimination game, but
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must win time. Now A j what what's your assessment
of Dave Roberts managing to this point. He's done what
he's done all year. Uh. And it's tough, man. It's
tough to look guys in the face and say, hey,
guess what. Cody Bellinger, Max Munsey, these guys. Jock Peterson said,
you're not gonna play the first two games. You're not
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gonna start the first two games of the World Series.
And those are some of your best players, and they've
been there for you all year. And I know they've
done it all year, but I'm a big believer, and
you go with your best nine, especially in crunch time.
And he hasn't done it and hasn't worked the first
two games. But now they get to go home to
l A and we'll see what happens. But I heard
you talking about Ryan Matson. I mean, that's one of
the problems with all this bullpenning that everyone's so in
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love with, is all it takes is one guy to
have an off night and it screws up the whole thing. Yeah,
and I liken it to surgery, right like, more times
you go in, the more times something something can go wrong. Um.
And I also think that that that while all that
statistical data is great, different guys react differently to different
levels of pressure. And I mean you could tell in
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Game one he wasn't right. I'm watching him in Game two.
I'm like, dude, this guy has no confidence. I just
I don't really, I don't really understand. Is this what
Dave Roberts wants to do? Or is this what he
was hired to do? And so that's why he's doing
You're gonna have to ask Andrew Freeden and that is
he the the president of baseball ops over there the
Dodger land. Um, I don't know think it's what he's
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done now? Was he hired because he would say he
would do this? I would say he probably had to
say okay to whatever they wanted because he was a
young guy with no experience. So, um, but does he
want to do it? I think he's had enough success
with it that he believes in it now. Um, but man,
does he want to do this? I don't know. I mean,
I'm sure he wished Kershaw and and when you would
go out there and give him nine solid anything, he
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didn't have to worry about it. But that hasn't happened,
and the Dodgers haven't followed that philosophy. For the last
two post seasons, we've seen no a J. Persinski joining
us on the Doug got Lib Show. What about the
idea that, hey, the Red Sox are just better? Is
that a fair explanation for what's happened? I can't argue
with that. Yes, there's been some questionable moves, but yeah,
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at the end of the day, I think you looked
one through. The Red Sox have a better team. I
mean their lineup is done what they've done all year,
and that's hit there. They just you know what the
Red Sox have. They have guys to get big hits.
Forget the numbers. I know J. D. Martinez, Mookie Best
is probably the the most valuable player in the American League.
But they got guys just get big hits and big situations.
You give me twenty five guys to get big hits
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and then that may not be the biggest names, but
I'll take those twenty five guys and go to battle
every time. How do you explain the two out the
two out rallies they've had the fact that they've dominated
with two outs. That's that's my point. There, you go,
They've got guys to get big hits and they want
to be up in those situations. There's a there's a
huge difference between having guys that say, oh, yeah, I
want to be the man. I want to be the man.
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I want to be the man, and then having guys
that actually want to be the man. And you've got
a couple. You've got nine guys on the Boston Red Sox.
I played with a bunch of those guys. Ian Kinsler,
I played with Mitch Moreland, I played with Mookie Batt's,
Sander Bogart's. All these guys were guys that I played
with somewhere along in my career. And these guys all
thriving that under those pressure situations, they want to be
up in those situations. And there's a huge difference. You
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gotta want to be up in those situations and until
you step into the box and you can accept it, Hey,
I might make it out right here, but I want
I want the pressure on me. Then you can kind
of own in. And the Red Sox have those guys,
and it is it is to be the team of
those guys. I'm not saying the Dodgers guys aren't like that.
But to me, if you look at the way the
Red Sox are playing, the confidence they have in the
way they go about it, and they want to be
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up in those big situations. What changed with Craig Kimberll Well,
he was tipping pitches, wasn't he noting? Everyone was saying
that that simple? No? Is it something when he holds
his arm out to the right hand side, if he
holds it a certain angles at a certain pitch like that,
that whole peering in thing is odd. Like when was
he tipping pitches? They said? When he was? I think
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when he was bringing his glove up is what they
were saying. But I don't know. I mean, she's if
it was that simple, I mean, everybody would have hit
him all year because trust me, there's cameras on everything
you do. So I don't know he was off on
this fastball. First of all, the the Astros did a
great job of laying off some really good pitches. They
didn't swing in his breaking off. You watch those games
and you notice in those games they did not swing
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in a breaking ball, So did they know they were coming.
Maybe where they guessing and counts maybe? Um, excuse me?
Were they great hitters? Yes? And did they lay off
a lot of good pitches? Yes? So they also had dude.
They also had a dude in the camera. Well who
was he was? He was he was making sure that
they weren't they weren't stealing signs, right, that's that's that's interesting.
I mean, but hey, MLB cleared him, so obviously they
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were doing no wrong. Right, Yeah, I love I love
how they cleared him and then said, but no one
else can do that ever again. There's nothing wrong with
what he did, but we're not going to do that
ever again. Well, you know, they gotta they gotta make
sure that everyone understands that they shouldn't do that again
and that they weren't doing anything wrong. You just had
an investigation in two days to make sure that he
was just making sure that the Red Sox weren't stealing signs.
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It was. It was an interesting play by MLB, but
I think everyone in all parties were satisfied with the
result because the Red Sox won the series. Are are
the Are the Dodgers dead? I don't think they are.
I just don't. I think they're gonna They're gonna find
a way in l a um the cold. The Fenway
Park is a different animal until you've played a playoff game.
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And if you look at the the Dodger roster, they
don't have a bunch of guys that have ever played there.
There wasn't a ton of guys that have played the
outfield there. They haven't been in games there. Kershaw had
never pitched there. I mean, there is some major factors
and some major different things. The way you warm up
there is different than any other park. The way you
play the outfield and play the infield and and move around,
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and the dugouts are weird. It's just a different atmosphere.
And until you've been there and you've played in the
death place, you cannot tell someone it would be like
like you played college of basketball, would be like the
first time you went to say Kansas and just has
the courts the same. Everything is the same, but something's
just a little bit off. That's Fenway Park. Yeah. I
would also say, and you tell me if I'm wrong, Like, look,
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if you're you're a Dodger and I live in southern California,
but I've lived back East, like your Dodger. That means
eighty two home games the year you got perfect weather, right,
and then and then and then of your road games.
San Francisco can get a little chilly. Um. But outside
of that in division uh and and maybe if you
play in Colorado earlier late in the year, outside of
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that you're playing in perfect weather or in domes, you
probably play twenty game. It's a summer sport. You're playing
twenty games all year at most where it's below sixty degrees.
Sixty degrees, yeah, that they had the other night where
Clayton Kersha had only pitched one game under fifty degrees. Heck,
when I was in Chicago, we played three months in
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or fifty degrees. So and it is different. Like I
tell people this all the time. The coldest day in
the United States is fifty degrees in Newport Beach. Because
you're just not used to it, and it's twenty degrees
below what you're used to, you're like, oh my god,
this is the coldest I've ever felt. And so San Francisco,
you go to San Francisco, it's like that. It's it's
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crazy how cold and how chilly, and just San Francisco.
I mean the middle of August and it's seventy seventy
degrees high and fifty cloud in foggy at night. I mean,
it feels like you're in the frozen tundra. A J.
Persinski joining us on the Doug Gotlip Show on Fox
Sports Radio. Um, give me your sense of of Walker
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Bueller and the likelihood that he steps up and that
doesn't just pitch well, but you can get out of
say the fifth inning, where they haven't gotten you know,
one star goes four and one star goes five. So far,
they don't want him. They don't do they want him
to go to the fifth inning? That would be my question,
they really want them to go to the fifth inning
because they could have gotten guys through the fifth inning
where you could have got through the fifth inning last
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night if they really wanted them to. But that's not
the way the Dodgers play. They don't. They don't care
if they get through the fifth inning. They just they
just want guys to get them to their bullpen as
fast as they can. That's that's the Dodgers baseball. That's
just the way it is. So I don't know do
they even really want him to go to the fifth inning.
If he could, he's got the stuff. That guy is nasty. Mean,
that guy's stuff is as good as anybody's stuff I've
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seen this year. So could he do it? Yeah? Could
he go out and pitch great and have a rich
Hill situation from last year? Or the show was dealing
in the fifth inning and they took him out just
because the computer said it take him out? Absolutely? So
do they want him to get through the fifth inning?
If they do, he will, And if they don't, then
don't make their decision and they'll live with it. I
was talking about. This is my producer. If you're a millennial,
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it's really hard for people to understand how how bad
the Red Sox were or how they couldn't get over
the hump the eighties six years and and now you
got all these you know, you get The good thing
about the Red Sox invading Dodger Stadium is they're also
polite and none of them are arrogant at all. Right,
So that's funny. People used to ask me all the time,
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they're the worst fans were And I used to always say,
you know what they were, the Yankee fans, and then
the Red Sox one, and then it all changed. It
was like, man, you guys used to be so nice
because you guys have never won, and then all of
a sudden, you guys win, and you're not so nice anymore.
What happened to that nice that you guys used to have.
It used to be like, oh, you know, they're Boston,
they're fine, but man, you got the Yankees standing maybe
all over. And then as soon as the Red Sox
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one to know for it completely changed. And now it's
just they win all the time. Now it's just a
given anither Patriots are gonna win and the Red Sox
are gonna win. But the Patriots were bad for a
long time and the Red Sox were worse for even longer.
And it's hard to explain. Somebody like, trust me, this
is like the when the Saints won the Super You're like,
you know, it's like ten years ago. They used to
wear bad paper bags over their heads. Be like no way, Like, yeah,
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the Saints were. The Saints were what the Browns have
been the last five years, But they were that way
for twenty five years. You're right, you're right, um, and
the Red Sox were like that forever. Um, so yeah,
It's amazing how certain people come in. Heck, look at
the Cubs. The Cups are the same way. Now. The
Cubs are America's Darling. I mean, they win, they once
they won. I mean, man, it's like everyone just assumes
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they win every year now. But it's not that easy,
especially in baseball. But it is good for the game though.
I think. I think it's good for the Red Sox
to be good. It's good for the Yankees to be good.
I know people all get tired of seeing them, but man,
people tune in to watch those series. What's you mentioned
that that Fenway's tricky? What's Dodgers Stadium like? Very fair? Um?
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Not that not a not a great place to hit.
The games are at five o'clock. The shadows are gonna
be tough. Um, it's very fair if the Marine layers there.
As you know, being out in l A, it can
be a little difficult to get the ball out of
the park. But um, it is very fair. It's it's
definitely one of the most fair ballparks for a picture
in all of baseball. With the game trending towards offense
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and home runs, Dodger Stadium is very fair and it
gives up home runs, it should be home runs, and
hopefully the people arrive on time, because Dodger Stadium has
a reputation of guys showing up a little bit later.
The fans um, but they'll be on full force and
they'll be loud, and they'll be behind their team. But
understand is always a fun place because you know it's
gonna be seventy and sunny every game. So so very
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fair to people who don't don't know the baseball lingo.
That's like like New Yankee Stadium, where you hit a
little dink up in the air and right center and
it goes out that that's the opposite of being very fair. Right,
I'm just trying to give the very fair means you
have to hit a home run. To hit a home run, Um,
it Actually, to be honest with you, I think that
if anything, Dodger Stadium is a pictures park. Over not
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quite to the fact that like a T and T
up in San fran is a pictures park, but it is.
It definitely leans more to it's pitching in a dot
towards hitting a j great stuff. Look forward to seeing
you on Fox this upcoming weekend. Thanks so much for
joining us, Hey, no problem, thanks for having me guys
A J. Prasinski joining us on the Doug got Lib Show.
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Some players told victafor of the Athletic the way Gruden
handled the trades has them questioning the coaches. Quote accountability.
When what you say and what you do are two
different things. There's a problem when players said. Veteran players
who spoke with Tafer indicated that they don't believe Gruden
when he says he's not tanking in two thousand eighteen.
You have to wonder if we haven't been playing for
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draft picks all along. One player said, despite everything the
coaches told us a training camp. Another player described the
Mac deal as a stiff jab, but the Cooper trade
as a knockout punch because the players were blindsided by
it coming out of a bye. We didn't want to
believe it was coming, and coach says we weren't going
to trade him. The veteran said he actually didn't say
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he wasn't gonna trade him, and part of the reason
they didn't think they were gonna make the clil Mack trade.
And part of the reason they didn't think they were
going to make it Amari Cooper trade was no one
believed that someone would give him a first round pick
and take Amari Cooper's entire contract off his hands. People
didn't believe that anybody would offer two first round picks
for clil mac and then give him the biggest contract
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in the history of the league at his position, but
they did. This is a lot like when you ask
a coach after a big game. I had on was
Jeff Brom earlier this week from from Purdue. I'm not
gonna ask him about Louisville. Louisville's coaching. Louisville's position is
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not open. He played there, It is not open. And
oh yeah, by the way, as of right now, they
o Petrino a lot of money. They're still on the
hook with a lawsuit with Pattino for a lot of money.
So I was to ask him first, it's n fairy
still got games to be played. Second, like, he may
answer the question no, I'm I'm in on on Perdue,
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but by the end of the season he may see that,
you know, there's just a ceiling to this program. And
oh yeah, by the way, whatever money is out there
that he feels like Louisville doesn't Louisville doesn't have. Now
they make it out of the Patino deal, they make
it out of the Petrino deal. They may have f
you money to throw at him, and that may change everything.
Sometimes it depends when you ask a guy. But the
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biggest thing is, we're we're so concerned about coaches losing
a locker room. What if you love the locker room
that you didn't want to keep to begin with. He
can't tell you they're tanking, can't tell his own players,
Heyward tanking. The first rule of tank club, John Ramos
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hall of famer from the Dallas Cowboys, three time Super
winning quarterback, joinses here on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Troy,
thanks so much for taking time. Um, I think Brock's
gonna handle tonight. Going back to Houston, the team that
signed him as a free agent, but jettison to him
after it clearly didn't work. Yeah, I think he's downplayed,
you know, what it means to come back here to
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Houston and whatever the relationship was or wasn't with with
him and Bill O'Brien. But if you're any kind of competitor,
as you well know, to come back here and where
you you know, basically got jettisoned after one season, you
want to put on a great performance. It's gonna be
a challenge for him. They're they're pretty beat up the
wide receiver position after last week's game against the Lions,
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and then they're facing a defense that has played exceptionally well.
I don't think the numbers really tell the whole story
about about that defense and how they're gonna handle you know,
Jadeveon Clowney and and J. J. Watt is any but
he's guests, nobody really has been able to do that.
So this will be uh, this will be a real
challenge not only for brock Oswalder coming and play well,
but for the entire Dolphins team. No question. Now, they
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do have one guy you can count on that's Frank Gore.
Who didn't you guys come out of school the same year.
If he feels that way, doesn't it. Yeah, we've been
He's pretty remarkable, you know. I mean when you look
at what he's been able to do at his age
and and I you know, and getting ready for this
game and studying him, Uh, he looks like the same
guy to me. I'm sure he doesn't, you know, run
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quite as well. And you know, for those that don't
really know a lot about Frank Gore's career, essentially most
people thought it was over before it ever got started. Uh,
blowing out you know, both a cls in college, and
he's been Uh, he's been a fun guy to watch
for a lot of years. How is that possible? I
guess Here here's a here's a question. Um, he's never
been the best running back in the league. He's probably
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never been the second or even third best running back
in the league. But I think he's got by Mike
eight thousand yards seasons. Um, just kind of the picture
of consistency. Is that worthy of getting into the Hall
of Fame? Well, he's certainly in the argument. I think
someone could could make a case for why he deserves
to be in the Hall of Fame. And and then
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when you look at his numbers, h Granted he's played
a long time, but when you look at his numbers
relative to a lot of running backs that are in
the Hall of Fame, uh, it stands the reason that
he has a good chance to get in. And I
think probably the most remarkable thing to me for a
guy who's taken the punishment that he takes and at
his age, he has not missed a game, uh since
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two thousand and eleven. Umbelievable. Yeah, I mean he's been
durable and an elite where you know, guys get injured
all the time. He's been there. He's I loved him
when he was in San Francisco, and I like him
now that he's in Miami as well. All Right, here's
a hard question to ask, but you're the perfect guy
to ask. You run great teams, you went to the
you're in the Hall of Fame, six time pro bowler,
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super m v P. Right, but when people look at
your stats and then they look get you know, Pat
Mahomesteads are like, well, this guy's but the sport has
changed so dramatically right the between and not just a quarterback.
Everything you can block further down the line of scrimmage,
uh than you used to be able to pick plays.
They almost never call a pick play, um, you know,
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in a game, and then you can't touch wide receivers
and so it's been more plays, more yards. So how
should what's the proper way for us the fan? When
you watch a quarterback, it's totally different. But for us
the fan, we're so trained to look at that box score.
We see three yards and we're like, oh, he had
a good game. How do we know if a guy
had a good game. Well, I think that I think
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the eyeball test. I don't think it's a matter of seeing, uh,
seeing numbers and all that, um, as far as you
know what's going on when you go back afterwards you
look at a box score and say, well, this guy,
I think you can watch a game and know whether
a guy's playing well. I I think the argument that
that you know, well, hey, this guy should be awarded
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this because look his numbers compared to someone else's. I
I've never thought that that really meant much of anything.
It's just not the way the game's played. And so
I think when you look back at the seventies with
Roger Staback. When he left the game, he was the
number one rated quarterback of all time, and it was
in the in the low eighties, and and now if
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you're not in the mid nineties, you're you're essentially not
playing the position very effectively, and so a lot has changed.
I think it's been exciting this year, especially with with
the emphasis on you know, illegal contact and things like that.
Down the field scoring is up. I think that's what
fans want, at least that's what they they claim to want,
and that's what the studies suggest, and that's why the
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league has had some of the rules that they've had.
But I think that most fans, if not all fans,
can can watch a game and watch a quarterback and
have a pretty good idea as to whether or not
that guy had a good performance. Not so much with
other positions. There's a reason why you always here coaches say, hey,
we gotta go back and look at the film and
and and I think there's a lot of truth to that.
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It's it's hard to see it all in real time.
But I don't know that that's the case with quarterbacks.
Fill the void with the no world serious Knight you
don't need a change the channel from Fox. Last night
you got Dolphins, Texans Sursday night football. Troy, I mean
Joe Buck. I'm sure he's got his own kind of
private Fox, their Fox Chet. He'll be, he'll be, he'll
be alongside coverage begins seven thirties cron time, four thirty Pacific,
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doing yeoman's work. Um, he claims that you're in better
shape now than you were when you played. That's what
he told us. Well, that might be true. And I
and you know, I think when you start making those
kinds of statements, then basically what you're saying is you've
gotten old. I mean, you don't. You don't hear twenty
five year old saying, Hey, I'm in the best shape
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of final. So I think my training is much different,
um than what it was as a player. And and
quite honestly, you know, I was. I trained hard when
I was when I was playing as well, but I
wish that I had done. I retired Doug when I did,
primarily because of a bad back. A lot of people
think of because of head injury, but my back was
giving a lot of problems and I hired a trainer
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five years into retirement because my back was still bothering me.
And I've been back paying free for now over ten years,
and I feel better, my diets better. I wish I
had known about this guy and was doing some of
these things back when I was playing. But you know,
when you brought up what we see today from these
quarterbacks in the numbers, the other part of that also is,
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you know, Tom Brady certainly has gotten behind wellness. But
we're seeing guys like Patrick Mahomes who come in very
early in their careers and they are already, you know,
following a strict regiment. They are a corporation essentially amongst themselves,
where they have a whole support staff to make sure
that they're doing all the right things to get themselves
ready and preserve their careers. And and so we're going
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going to see quarterbacks playing for a long long time,
and it's gonna it's gonna it's not gonna be abnormal
to see quarterbacks playing into their forties. Yeah, it's pretty
It's pretty amazing though, that we get to like forty
and now all of a sudden discovered like yoga. We're like, man,
why didn't I do this when I played? I know,
I know, and I and I, Hey, I've discovered yoga
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as well. You break that up, So you know a
lot of things. I think when you get older and
your listeners can can certainly relate that. You know, things
start hurting and breaking down, and then then that's usually
when they start drawing attention and you try to fix it.
But um, these these guys today, the athletes anyway, they're
they're taking much player care of themselves at much earlier age.
You did an amazing job in the draft. I just
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loved your level of investment in it. And and so
uh that that same level of evaluation when you see
Deshaun Watson who was banged up. I mean he had
to take a had to take like a bus or
a van because they were worried about him flying. And
then he plays on the road. I obviously know he's
questioned this kid's toughness, but can he be durable enough
considering the style he plays, the two A C l
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entries he's had, and the beating he's taken. Like, what's
your assessment of Deshaun Watson and what the likehood is
that that he withstands this season considering the injuries and
the durability well, it's a great question. And uh, you know,
we are seeing quarterbacks run the football more, more designed
runs with the quarterbacks and than we've ever seen before.
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Or the league's not protecting these guys as as as
much as as they once did. And and yet I
still believe that you've got to be real careful when
you're when when a guy is absorbing the amount of
hits that someone like Deshaun Watson has taken, it's already
taken a toll. Uh, Like you said he would take
a bust the last week's scheme because he's got a
broken rip or a punctured lung and and you know
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everything else. So, um, he is tough, You're right, but
he's taken away too many hits. Some of that is
the offensive line has really struggles. No, that's his own
doing that. He's just held the ball, and you know,
he needs to be a little bit better and knowing
when to get rid of it and not getting hit
as much. But if he continues to get hit the
way that he has, you know, and then you start saying,
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he's gonna have a real hard time making it through
the season. And I don't think he's back to where
he was last year prior to the injuries coming, you know,
obviously coming off the knee like you said, but then
also just playing through a great deal of pain. But
what a talent he is, and I'm excited about watching
him play tonight. I'm excited to see you break him down.
Last thing, Marii Cooper traded to the Dallas Cowboys. I
know everybody asked Cowboys question, does does he enough? Does
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he fix the offense which at times has been in apt,
causing Jason Garrett to be a little bit more conservative
than I think even Garrett wants to be. Well, I
think he's he's got to help him in in in
some way. I mean, you take a guy with his abilities, uh,
it stands the reason that they'll be better with him.
But I don't think it's just a situation where you
put him in and all of a sudden you're often rolling.
(37:38):
You know, It's different than when Chicago brings in Khalil
Mack and you bring in a pass rusher. You're bringing
a running back and those positions in a lot of
ways are kind of plug and play. And that's not
the case with wide receiver. I've had receivers who I've
spent very little time with who immediately you're on the
same page. And and they run routes are very quarterback friendly.
And I've had other receivers who I've spent a lot
of time with an entire offseason and pre season, and
(38:00):
you never feel like you're on the same page just
because of the way they do things. So I don't
know how that chemistry is gonna gonna work out. They
do have a bye week this week, but I don't
know how it's going to work out over the course
of the season between between he and back. But there
there are more problems with that with that offense than
simply saying, hey, we need a number one go to
wide receiver. Right, you know, the offensive line has not
(38:22):
been you know, it's been set, but they are not
what they were a couple of years ago. Some of
that Travis Frederick not playing, but even the others who
have been in the lineup are not playing at the
same level. And Deck's been taking a lot of pressure.
And and then also when they've had the protection and
guys have been open, and you know, maybe Dak misses
the throw. So there's a lot of variables in this.
I'm a little hesitant to say that that a Marii
(38:45):
Cooper's presence is going to change what they've shown us
up to this point. Offensively great stuff the Hall of Famer, Troy.
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game tonight, but keep it on Fox. Dolphins Texans Joe
Buck on the call with Troy Been. Coverage starts seven
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(39:06):
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