October 15, 2025 • 37 mins
Doug explains how the Los Angeles Dodgers have proven in this post-season that starting pitching is not dead as Yoshinobu Yamamoto and Blake Snell have dominated the Brewers in the first two games of the NLCS. Doug reacts to comments made by John Calipari on when he might call it quits. Doug welcomes former Major League All-Star Matt Holliday onto the show to break down the first two games of the LCS and add his insight into why it looks like Shohei Ohtani is struggling at the plate. Plus, Isaac Lowenkron takes Doug through a game of "For Better or Worse?".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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We got some football to get to We got some
basketball to get to it. You're a John CALIPERI had
to say about how long he wants to coach. Matt
Holliday will be our guest. We'll talk about the baseball series,
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which it's weird right because they're both teams are going
home up two games to none. It feels like these
series are let down or a bummer. It's like, but
Game one was really really exciting between the Brewers and
the Dodgers, especially in the ninth inning. And you can't
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control how close series are. The most stunning one is
Toronto being down two games none, I did not see
that one coming. I don't think anybody did. But we'll
get to baseball in a second. So we got hoops,
we got Penn State their pursuit. Guess who is their
rumored to be pursuing. I don't actually believe it, but
that's okay. Daniel Jeremiah's going to join us. We'll talk
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some NFL football. Gosh, but I want to start with baseball,
and I want to start with the Dodgers and the
Brewer series. Yamamoto pitches a complete game this after blake'snew
faced twenty four batters, which is the minimum in eight innings.
Think about that, you faced the minimum number of batters
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in eight innings, minimum number of batters in eight innings.
So I just I know that last year the Dodgers'
bullpen was everything. I know that if you look at
the trade deadline, everybody wants to fix their bullpen. Bullpen, bullpen, bullpen.
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Forget about starter. What has been diminished in baseball, just
like the mid range game in basketball has been diminished
because of analytics, starting pitching has been greatly diminished.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
It used to be back in my day, back in
the two thousand and fifteens, in twoenty twelves, you go
back to the two thousands. Back in my day, you
needed two starters and a quality closure. Alrighty set up man,
maybe you left, get you out of a jam. And
that's about it.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Well, a funny thing happened on the way to having
openers and closers and not even having a defined closer.
The LA Dodgers like, yeah, well, what if we had
the two best starting pitchers and probably should have let
Blake Snell go the distance. The crazy part about it
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is that show, hey, Otani hasn't even pitched yet, right,
and Otani this year hasn't been an ace, but he
has been in a pat in the past. And so
you have Yamamoto who's was filthy, filthy, Blake Snell, who
filthy and has been filthy in the World Series in
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the playoffs before the Dodgers took analytics and said, what
if we just had the best starting pitching And to
Jay Stew's point, one of Jay Stew's points to me
when we talked about it was, you know, it did
feel like at the start of the year they had
too much starting pitching, which is what you should do
if you have a bunch of money is, don't put
it all in one guy. Put it in more guys
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than anybody else. That's how you're able to withstand all
the injuries. That's how you're able to slowly get Blake
Stell up and going and ready for the playoffs. But
there's lots of things that the data supports, and the
data is right, and old habits are really hard to break.
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And our old habit as viewers as fans is to
assume that starting pitching is dead, dead as a door naill,
And the reality is very much alive and well, very
much alive and well. With the La Dodgers, we still
have a ton of questions about their bullpen. They weren't
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answered in Game one. Those questions are right there Sasaki,
who's a starter, and again he's a guy who eventually,
probably next year, is in their rotation and his stuff
is filthy. There's more starting pitching. My assumption is the
reason the Dodgers did it is starting pitching is so
expensive that the teams that are cost conscious, well, they
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feel like, eh, let's cut a corner here, Let's get
a guy here, you know, a starter here, and it's
really save our money and we'll spend our money in
our bullpen. That's not the Dodgers. The Dodgers actually can
do both. But as as we told you, and this
is not just Jason Stewart, this is me, he was
trade deadline. The surprising part was that they did. They
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took some broken down pieces there for that middle relief,
and they haven't panned out well for them. But they're
gonna have a filthy bullpen in the future, and they're
gonna have these starters in the future. I don't know.
I watched Games one and two and there's a lot
of takeaways, but the biggest takeaway is not just that
the Dodgers are better or that the Dodgers look like
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a better baseball team, and they do it with Mookie
Betts barely hitting and Showhyo Tony. He had one RBI,
a hard hit ground ball between first and second, And
that's really it for this series. With limited production from
your two best hitters, from two future Hall of famers,
they're up two games to none. Why because starting pitching
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still very much has a place, very much has a
place in high level playoff baseball. I love playoff baseball.
Not a foregone conclusion, but feels a little bit that way.
Here's Pat Murphy, who's the manager of the Brewers, talking
about that Dodgers dominant starting pitching.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
You know, both those pitchers were as dominant as two
pitchers have been. You know, we chased way more than
than we've chased all year. We've been the best in baseball,
not chasing these pitchers brought out the worst than us. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (07:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
If I would have told you that the Dodgers are
going to score seven runs in two games and what
was the outcome in the first two games, I'd say
there's a chance we won one of them for sure.
You know, our pitching is beat up, you know that.
I mean it was the emotional series with the Cubs,
and then our pitching has been so we weren't as sharp.
But I thought Freddie pitched well, and you know, I
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thought Ashby came in and did a great job. Gasser
came in and did a great job, Anderson came in
and did a great job. So we had some we
had some good performances. But offensively, you've got to grind
out at batts and that's that's what been our forte.
The ball strike has been really at the core of
our offensive success and sometimes great pitching brings out the
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worst in you.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
It can't. That's a it's a that's a great point.
Here's Dave Roberts, manager of the Dodgers, on what led
up to Yamamoto's outing last night.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
I see a real confidence. I think that's what it is.
I think that, you know, last year, certainly there was
a transition, and even in the postseason I didn't give
him a whole lot of leash, and we also had
a really talented bullpen, which we clearly leaned on and
have talked about, you know, a lot. But I think
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this year he's got true confidence. For me, that third
time through at pitch ninety, he feels that he's the
best option, and so I think for me, that just
gives me that confidence.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Yeah. I mean, whether it's Dave or upstairs that allowed
him to close that game. Jay Stu going to the ninth,
what did you think was going to happen last night?
Speaker 7 (08:43):
I thought that they were going to go to one
of their gas cans in the bullpen. But I think
I bet I was secured by the lead five to one,
so it didn't matter. They could have brought in Tanner Scott,
who's just awful at pitching and that would have been fine.
I did scratch my head. There's a I don't understand
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the mentality, And if Dave was asked this, I didn't
hear the answer because I sure looked I don't understand.
One of my I guess criticisms off of Game one
was one of the reasons why I was pissed off
that Blake Snell didn't start the ninth inning at least,
was because Dave took a chance for Blake Snell to
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make history away from him. Remember last week when we
talked about signature moments in the postseason from great players,
and one of the comments in that exchange was it's
hard to have a signature moment if you're a starting pitcher.
But Blake Snell had a chance to go out get
the outs in the ninth and be the only pitcher
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since Larsen to face twenty seven batters in a postseason game.
That's the signature moment. So I thought Dave took that
moment away from him, and that pissed me off. So
why bring Yamamoto out for the ninth if you were
gonna take snow out that that's confounding to me.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
I don't know. I mean, the only thing I can
think of is he learned from the previous night's mistake.
Is that is that fair? Like, just because you did
it the night before and it proved to be a mistake,
does that mean you have to do it again just
to be consistent, like making sense?
Speaker 7 (10:19):
No, I'm just saying that there was much more incentive.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
No, no, no, I am not disputing that. You and I
completely agree, Jason. It was a Don Larson esque pitching performance.
It made total sense. He was mowing him down. He's
not a guy who you feel like is gonna have
an arm issue because he's not throwing a hundred plus right,
He's part of part of the allure to him is
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that that curve ball was so filthy, so filthy, they
could not figure him out, and it was the bottom
of the lineup. So you and I agree. But just
because you do something that doesn't make sense the night
before and is the wrong decision that before, and your
bullpen nearly blows it, that does not mean that you
have to make the same decision, even if it's not
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nearly the storybook it was the night before.
Speaker 7 (11:09):
That's fair.
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Speaker 1 (11:21):
Stuck Gotleib Show Fox Sports Radio. So SEC media days
are ongoing, and it is weird right that John Caliperry's
head coach at Arkansas. It does take a little second
to kind of get that reset right, like Arkansas, Yeah, Arkansas,
mm hmm, okay, okay, how long is he gonna do it? Right?
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Here's John Caliperry when he talked about when he'll likely retire.
Speaker 8 (11:47):
I want to help twenty five to thirty more families.
The only way you do that is your transformational as
a coach. You're not transactional. If I become transactional, I'm
going to pay you this to do this and that.
Then I won't do this anymore. I don't need to.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
I think it's a really interesting way of look at it.
It's one of the parts that a lot of these
coaches don't like. It's like, I don't want a transactional relationship.
I love that. It's a great way to put it,
and you kind of got to guard yourself against it.
Does that mean that they aren't going to end up
being transactional relationships even when they begin as transformational. No,
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I'm sure there's plenty of guys who he feels like
he transformed their lives and like, it's not really that
one down. But I get what he's saying. I get
what he's saying. But I also think that there's a
certain car salesman element to it that we all know
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is the perception. And John cal Perry's never shied away
from the perception of who he is and what he's
about and how his program works. He talks about the players,
you know, I want to change his families, Like, Okay,
it's a it's a little much, it comes across a
little steep, but I know what he's saying. He wants
to his whole thing is about life changing wealth that
you make in the NBA, not the the not the
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quick buck that you're gonna make in college basketball. It's fair,
it's fair, But reality is he's got to win, and
his old ways of doing it of bringing in five
freshmen and sprinkling in some veterans and five more freshmen,
that's a hard way to live in this day and age.
It is. He brought back most of his crew from
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last year. That's why they think they'll be pretty good.
But I, you know, it's not as transformational, and it's
more transactional than he's giving it credit. But I do
think that's the key to this whole thing. That's the
difference between the old Guard and the New Guard. The
new Guards like it's transactional whatever. You know, they don't
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have to worry about us. I don't have to worry
about them after next year. If we don't want them around,
wa to get rid of them. If they want to
be with us, we get rid of them again. That's
the new age of thinking. I do not think that way.
I guess i'd be old school. This is John Calperry
being old school, which is hey, I just I want
to help these kids for the rest of their lives.
It does still work in recruiting. It is still true
if you if you want it to be true, even
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after they leave, even after they transfer, you can choose
to stay in contact with them or not. You know,
kids don't. Maybe they find it weird. I still talk
to some of my former players, and I've only been
doing this for a year, and guys I wanted to
stay left. That's what happens not all of them, but
a couple of them that left. I prefer they stayed
and we still communicate. I want to be that guy
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in their corner forever. But I also think that at
the level and the amount that Arkansas is playing at,
I don't know if that's truly possible. I don't know
if that's truly possible. We've been talking a lot about
the mostly the NLCS more so than the ALCS. We'll
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get to that as well. Matt Holliday is our guest,
seven time All Star, four times Silver Slugger, and father
of a big leaguer and as soon to be big
leaguer and Ethan Holliday, who was the fourth pick and
last year's this year's Major League Baseball Draft, Matt, let's
let's start with Blake Snell. I started the show just
so you know with I understand analytics, I understand data,
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I understand what you're supposed to do, why you're supposed
to do it. But there still is a place for
big time starting pitching. Right The last couple of years
had been about an opener, and even last year's Dodgers
really it's about their middle relief more than anything. But
through two games, their starting pitching has been dominant. Is
this an outlier? Why? Why are the Dodgers Why have
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they been able to be so dominant with starting pitching
when starting pitching in the past, I don't know, decade
or so has been diminished year efter year.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
Well, I think that the fact that they signed some
of the best ones. I mean mean, you talk about Snell,
he's one of cy young in both leagues. And then
they bring over the best starting pitcher from Japan a
couple of years maybe apart. So they brought over you
know that they obviously they got Showed Hay from the Angels,
but they bring over the best starting pitcher in Japan,
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and they loaded up before the season. And I would
argue that before the season they had they had ten
starters penculled in they would probably all of them would
start in almost every rotation in baseball. So I think
they looked at last year's team, despite the fact that
they won the World Series with primarily relievers, like you
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said earlier, and they said, we don't know that that's sustainable,
and so, you know, they go out they put an
incredibly talented rotation together and then you know, like I said,
Snell was. He basically pitched I think seven he's something
inning during the regular season, and so they had the
they had the ability to not push him and maybe
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went through some dead arm stuff and just when you're
when you're that good and you have that kind of
depth and you have that kind of you know, the
reality is they were going to be in the playoffs.
So what you do is you have you have the
ability to let snow get completely healthy and then he's
peaking at the end of the season and rolling into
the playoffs pitching better than I've ever seen me. His command,
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you know, he's struggled with walks, uh, you know, in
his career, and that's always kind of been a little
bit of his bugaboo that he has to come out
early in the games because he throws so many pitches.
But he's throwing strikes. He's pitching the high nineties. He's
got a slider and a curve and a changeup that
he's pitching he's using more and so I mean, he's
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he's been dominant. And then you know, like I said,
they've got they've got a lot of a lot of
good options in the rotation. I've always thought Doug if
you're you're starting pitching is good, you have a great
chance to win. Now there's been some some bullpenning, and
you know, there's been some a little bit of a
little bit of you know, some of the opener stuff
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and maybe some some things, and philosophy has changed a bit,
and I think people looked at the Dodgers last year
and said, well, you know, you can win the World
Series with a good bullpen. But I've always thought that
the team you start with the rotation, and that's where
you build around.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. What's amazing
about the Dodgers two games to none lead is that
they've done it with limited help from Mookie and just
one hit from show Hay right that ground ball would
score to run. Let's start with show Hay. Why is
he struggling? What are they doing to cause the greatest
hitter in the game to struggle so far through too?
Speaker 6 (18:49):
You know, he looks a little in between. I don't
know if people understand what that means. It looks to
me like he's a little late on the fastball. He's
he's a little out in front of the off speed.
So I think they pitched him enough back and forth,
was starting him with off speed or starting with his fastball,
pitching him in, pitching him up, pitching him down. I
think they've done a really good job of of moving
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the ball around on him. And he just looks to
me like, uh, he's a little off on his approach.
And then now it looks like it's in his head
a little bit, and so I I last night he
took a swing on a high fastball that you just
don't see him do very often, and his look on
his face was that of a hitter that I know
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that face very well of. I'm a little lost. I'm
in my own dome, like I'm thinking too much. You know,
it looks like he's getting pitches right now to where
you know, obviously when hitters are really good, their their
timing is ready for the fastball, and they're reacting to
the off speed in a way that you know allows
their body to still hit both pitches. And it looked
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to me like he's he's a And you know, Doug,
I've heard that he's very much into He videos every swing.
He iPad is right there even during batting practice in
the cage, and so he's very meticulous with every thing
he takes and his mechanics, and sometimes that's you know,
that served him well obviously, but sometimes you know, that
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can get get in your head a little bit. You
start thinking about your mechanics and then the next thing
you know, you're you're a little bit lost. But you know,
these two starting pitchers have carried them and allowed those
guys to not have to do much offensively.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
How how hard is that to fix when you're in
the series, Like, how do you if sum's in your
head right? Because I remember you had a time this
year when you went down, you helped out help Jackson
out again, he's different, he's a younger player. This is
you know, arguably the greatest to ever do it. How
long does it take to get that? Flush that out,
get out of your head?
Speaker 6 (20:48):
You know it? It's one swing, you know, he'd I
think he has a heart single RBI single late in
the game yesterday. It's you know, for him, you know,
when you're talking about just a brilliant talent combined with
you know, obviously someone whose mental attitudes is off the
charts as well. I mean, I'd be surprised if if
he doesn't get hot, you know, That's the one thing
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about the Dodgers. They they're all they're you know, they're
they're they're they're m vps. Haven't even got hot yet,
and they're still you know, sort of running through the
playoffs with with starting pitching and and some of their
unsung heroes coming up with big hits. And it feels
it feels a lot like an easy Dodger World Series championship.
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And I'm sure Jay stew is cringing as I say that,
but that's what it feels like. I thought the Phillies
Dodgers series to me was the two best teams. And
I still feel that way.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, Okay, what
what about? What can the Brewers do right? Like it did?
It felt inevitable the last two nights because the start pitching.
Now you got show Hay right much easier if you
were to Yeah, I know how much Burth thinks. If
you've used to call you and say, Matt, what should
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we do? What's your advice?
Speaker 6 (22:12):
You know, there's at this point to see and they
just kind of have to be who they are, right.
Try to get on base, try to try to hit
and run trying to maybe move move the ball around
a little bit, try to put some people in motion,
and try to try to make it hard on the Dodgers.
As far as putting a little pressure on them, Uh, look,
they don't. They don't have a gut of guys that
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can hit homers. I mean, they have a few guys
that can sprinkle. You know, They've they've got you know,
Yellows hit twenty nine, I think, and in Turio has
shown some good power. But you know, when you look
at their lineup, they're they're gonna have to to find
ways to steal base and do things that they did
all year, which is which is how they they've won games.
But I mean, the bottom line is they got to hit.
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I mean they're you know, obviously going up against those
two starters, it's it's I mean, I'm not sure any
lineup would ahead of much success, but they have to hit.
They have to take a little pressure off their pitching.
It's hard when you're your your rotation and your your
relievers know that you can't give up many runs because
you're having a hard time scoring. So there's nothing much
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you can say, I think right now, Doug, other than
just keep keep plugging away and uh and go out
there and maybe try to scratch a run early, a
little pressure on on the Dodgers and see if they
can't get a little momentum pushed back in their favor.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
What's your reaction to the Mariners dominance on the road
of the of the Blue Jays.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
I am a little surprised. I mean, the Blue Jays
played really really well at home, so I'm kind of
surprised that they went in there and took too But
you know, they're hot. You know that that that game.
Sometimes those long games, extra in games, sometimes that can
come zapt you of energy. And then sometimes that really
can like propel you into like, oh, this is our year.
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You know, this is this is our you know, we've
got the we've got the mojo, this is this is uh,
this is going to be you know, I think that
they they're really building off of that game five against
Detroit and and took it into Toronto, and you know,
it's one of the you know baseball like they've been
getting runs early in the game and and uh, and
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that puts a lot of pressure in the postseason, you
just start to press a little bit. And and uh,
I am surprised. I didn't think that they would they
would win both in Toronto.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Yeah, and it wasn't close. And again the difference is
starting pitching right, like their starting pitching got lit both games,
you know, Brewers starting pitching. Actually Game one was good
but didn't extend them. Hey, let me let me circle
back to the to the to the Dodgers just for
a second game, one ninth inning, two run lead. Would
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you have put Snell back out there? Well, one hundred
and three pitches.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
You know, I I just think that the way his
season has gone, I look, I mean, yes, I think.
You know, if a guy's rolling, and the thing that
sometimes for me is how easy he's getting the team out.
And he was getting them out like seemingly without sweating
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like it was. It looked like he was just like
whatever pitch he wanted and whatever count he wanted it,
and he was just locked in. And so for me,
it's it's hard to take that guy out now if
you know it's the seventh and eighth inning. Uh, he
was laboring a little bit and the pitch count was
high in one of those innings, but he seemed to
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be getting better as he was going. But I don't
know what his pitch count high this year has been.
Like I said, he's only thrown I think only threw
seventy some innings in the regular season. So I think
you have to be you have to be a little
bit cautious for his next start, because you know, you're
you're at this point, you're thinking, we're gonna make it
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to the World Series. And if he goes out there
and I let him throw one hundred and twenty pitches
in him four days, he's super sore or you know,
I have to some comes down with triceps tight or
and then all of a sudden, you know, it screws
up your plans for the World Series. So I mean, look,
I think you can look at it both ways. But
Dave Roberts knows, you know, obviously he's with them every
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day and he knows the ins and out so and
then you know, the next night he lets he lets
the other guy throw the whole game. So I think
it probably has more to do with with Snells, maybe
just this this season and the way that you know,
maybe he's had a little bit of dead arm at
times and they've had to they've had to work around
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some some injury stuff that probably kept him from sending
him back out.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, so
what what can we learn, Like, what can we learn
from this baseball for future years?
Speaker 7 (27:05):
Like?
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Right, like the Brewers are they play mostly small ball,
really athletic, tremendous defensively, right, and they've they they've been
able to withstand injuries the past two years to get here.
The Dodgers, Right, they went from their bullpen being their
secret to now being their their secret sauce to now
being starting pitching at least in this series. And then
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they just have an overwhelming lineup. Then you have the
Mariners and who make a late season acquisition for a
big home run hitter that seems to put them over
the top. Then obviously they got the Blue Jays as well.
What's the takeaway? Like, where are we with baseball outside
of the Dodgers and they're seeming dominance that that's a
trend that other people are going to copy.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
Yeah, I mean I think there's I think for me,
what it says is there's a lot of ways to win.
I mean, I think there's a lot of ways to
build teams that can get to this point. I mean,
I think you can build a starting pitching. I think
you know you have enough offense. The Mariners have had
great starting pitching the last few years, but just haven't
quite quite enough offense. Well they you know, Cal Rawly
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hit sixty hummers, they get Sorez back, Rose Arena has
a good season. Now all of a sudden, they're scoring
some runs tied with their good pitching. So blue Jays
blue Jays are. They've won a lot of games on
in a lot of different ways. I think they've been
good in all areas. I don't think they've necessarily been great,
but you know, when you have a guy like Laddie
(28:29):
and then you got Lashett who I think led the
American League hits but obviously hasn't been in postseason. But
they've got a couple of superstars. So I think I
think you can build teams differently. Like you said earlier,
the Dodgers won last year with bullpen. This year that
they're winning was starting pitching. So I think how you
(28:50):
build your team and then like your core and then
kind of building around that is interesting because I do
think that there's different philosophies and obviously how much money
you have. You know, Brewers don't have the money the
Dodgers have, so they have to build their team a
little differently, but it is effective. And I think that's
(29:10):
the fun part about these smaller markets is they have
to figure out how to beat somebody like the Dodgers,
who can, you know, spend whatever they want. So I
think it's fun based on a fun game in that
there's just a lot of different ways to build a
good team.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Matt, you're the best, Bud. I appreciate you joining us.
We'll see what these series look like. Is right now
they're two games done with the home teams returning. With
that leads, we may be all West Coast series with
the Mariners and the Dodgers. Appreciate you being our guest.
We'll talk real soon, good Doctor.
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Speaker 2 (30:19):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 9 (30:28):
ISLO, what's the game today, Doug, we vow that you
will enjoy this game?
Speaker 2 (30:33):
For Better or Worse?
Speaker 7 (30:35):
All right?
Speaker 9 (30:35):
First item of business, Doug, for Better or Worse as
an NFL MVP candidate right now, Patrick Mahomes or Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Uh, Baker Mayfield, Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 9 (30:54):
I'm in agreement there. Next item, expanding on what we
talked about at the beginning of the show, for Better
or Worse the eight inning one hit performance on the
mound by Blake Snell or the complete game three hit
outing by Yoshinobu Yamamoto.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
I'm gonna go with Blake Snell's. He faced the minimum
batters and then he picked off the one batter that
got on base.
Speaker 9 (31:27):
So Blake Snell onto something a little more specifically in
your Bailey Wick, and that's college basketball for Better or Worse?
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Bailey Wick. Huh.
Speaker 9 (31:39):
Yeah, I didn't even didn't even have to look that
one up. By the way, all right, better or worse
college basketball coaching career John Caliperi or Bill.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Self, Bill self? Not close? Really okay, not close, not close.
Seals won two national championships. He's won one. He also
Bill self also both of his championship for comebacks, and
(32:16):
one was against John Caliperry. Now, now coach cal can
try and hey, you know, I'm about the NBA and
giving these kids a great life. That's great, that's great.
I actually think he is about that in a lot
of ways. But I mean you said coaching career. I
think it's close.
Speaker 9 (32:35):
And by the way, a preview of coming attractions, isn't
that uh coming up for you November Kansas?
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Sure? All right? But the Jayhawks, Ah, sounds like fun?
Speaker 9 (32:48):
Huh well, Alan field House.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
No, I mean that's that's It's like, it's like, what
what whatever you've experienced. I tell our guys all the time,
whenever you've experienced as a player, ten exit and that's
what the place, that's the place. It's the best place. Yeah,
you know, I think Duke is awesome. There are other places.
Duke is probably a one B or two A. But
(33:14):
I think that baug Allen's the best. The historic nature
of it. You know, you have the rules of basketball,
the guy who invented basketball. Coach there.
Speaker 9 (33:25):
Amazing, good old doctor Naysmith. I don't know if it's
like this for you or others, But for some reason,
I just like the fact that light from the outside
gets in the field house. For some reason, that just
adds Yeah, that just adds another dimension to me. All Right,
(33:45):
So we got better or worse for college basketball coaches.
I'm gonna throw on at you in light of this.
Russell Westbrook news Sacramento King signing him to a one
year deal. It'll be his eighteenth season, his seventh team
in the last eight years. For better or worse as
a playing career, Russell Westbrook or James Harden.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Who's had a better playing career? Yeah, I'd say James Harden.
I'd say James Harden. Okay, that's a hard one. That's
a really good one. I don't think either are championship
caliber players. Yeah, but they both had amazing careers and
they've both been MVPs O. I'm gonna go James Harden,
(34:32):
but I could be sold that I'm wrong there.
Speaker 9 (34:34):
Yeah, no, that's a really interesting one, all right. And
our final item on this edition of For Better or Worse,
I'm going to ask you to compare a current head
coaching opening in the National Football League with a potential
potential head coaching opening in the NFL, both out of
(34:55):
the AFC. For Better or Worse, the actual current head
coaching opening with the Tennessee Titans, or the potential potential
potential head coaching opening with another AFC team, the Miami Dolphins,
which is the more attractive.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
One Tennessee Titans because you have your quarterback of the future,
whereas I if you if Mike mcdam's gets fired, then
to a they probably clean house with the whole front office.
I think it's Tennessee. Tennessee opens a new stadium next
I think next year. Yes, they have a quarterback. It's
(35:35):
a division you can win in. You can flip it
pretty quickly in. I'm gonna go Tennessee Titans.
Speaker 9 (35:40):
And by the way, along along those lines, speaking of
the Tennessee Miami Dolphins dynamic, remember those comments that to
a tongue I Loa made after Sunday's loss to the
Chargers when he called out his teammates for showing up
late to players only meetings or missing them entirely. Well,
just moments ago, he actually publicly apologized for that.
Speaker 7 (36:00):
Duck.
Speaker 9 (36:00):
So I'll play that for you right now.
Speaker 10 (36:02):
I've made a mistake. I'm owning up to that right now.
You know. For for myself, I got to look at
myself as as the leader protecting the team. I don't
feel like I did that. I let the emotions of
the game get to me after the game, and what
happens in house should be protected. Want to publicly apologize
about that.
Speaker 9 (36:19):
So that was two a tongue of Iolo moments ago,
and that is a footnote to this complete game of
for better or worse, this.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Is game time on the Dug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
You didn't know it was supposed.
Speaker 9 (36:37):
To stay in house, like what he does now.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
I you know he just went walking cliche there like,
but you didn't know you were supposed to keep it
in house, Tua. Really the emotions of the game, you
weren't emotional. You were a matter of fact about it.
And as I said, he is should be the leader
of this team. And so in saying it's about the leadership, well,
(37:04):
that's you. The whole episode was just strange, really strange.
Do we decide a no midway today because of no buyer?
Is that what we did?
Speaker 7 (37:15):
That we're moving forward without it. It's just it's not
a pure midway, you know, pure midway.
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We got some football to get to We got some
basketball to get to it. You're a John CALIPERI had
to say about how long he wants to coach. Matt
Holliday will be our guest. We'll talk about the baseball series,
(01:00):
which it's weird right because they're both teams are going
home up two games to none. It feels like these
series are let down or a bummer. It's like, but
Game one was really really exciting between the Brewers and
the Dodgers, especially in the ninth inning. And you can't
(01:21):
control how close series are. The most stunning one is
Toronto being down two games none, I did not see
that one coming. I don't think anybody did. But we'll
get to baseball in a second. So we got hoops,
we got Penn State their pursuit. Guess who is their
rumored to be pursuing. I don't actually believe it, but
that's okay. Daniel Jeremiah's going to join us. We'll talk
(01:44):
some NFL football. Gosh, but I want to start with baseball,
and I want to start with the Dodgers and the
Brewer series. Yamamoto pitches a complete game this after blake'snew
faced twenty four batters, which is the minimum in eight innings.
Think about that, you faced the minimum number of batters
(02:07):
in eight innings, minimum number of batters in eight innings.
So I just I know that last year the Dodgers'
bullpen was everything. I know that if you look at
the trade deadline, everybody wants to fix their bullpen. Bullpen, bullpen, bullpen.
(02:30):
Forget about starter. What has been diminished in baseball, just
like the mid range game in basketball has been diminished
because of analytics, starting pitching has been greatly diminished.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
It used to be back in my day, back in
the two thousand and fifteens, in twoenty twelves, you go
back to the two thousands. Back in my day, you
needed two starters and a quality closure. Alrighty set up man,
maybe you left, get you out of a jam. And
that's about it.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Well, a funny thing happened on the way to having
openers and closers and not even having a defined closer.
The LA Dodgers like, yeah, well, what if we had
the two best starting pitchers and probably should have let
Blake Snell go the distance. The crazy part about it
(03:25):
is that show, hey, Otani hasn't even pitched yet, right,
and Otani this year hasn't been an ace, but he
has been in a pat in the past. And so
you have Yamamoto who's was filthy, filthy, Blake Snell, who
filthy and has been filthy in the World Series in
(03:46):
the playoffs before the Dodgers took analytics and said, what
if we just had the best starting pitching And to
Jay Stew's point, one of Jay Stew's points to me
when we talked about it was, you know, it did
feel like at the start of the year they had
too much starting pitching, which is what you should do
if you have a bunch of money is, don't put
it all in one guy. Put it in more guys
(04:07):
than anybody else. That's how you're able to withstand all
the injuries. That's how you're able to slowly get Blake
Stell up and going and ready for the playoffs. But
there's lots of things that the data supports, and the
data is right, and old habits are really hard to break.
(04:28):
And our old habit as viewers as fans is to
assume that starting pitching is dead, dead as a door naill,
And the reality is very much alive and well, very
much alive and well. With the La Dodgers, we still
have a ton of questions about their bullpen. They weren't
(04:50):
answered in Game one. Those questions are right there Sasaki,
who's a starter, and again he's a guy who eventually,
probably next year, is in their rotation and his stuff
is filthy. There's more starting pitching. My assumption is the
reason the Dodgers did it is starting pitching is so
expensive that the teams that are cost conscious, well, they
(05:13):
feel like, eh, let's cut a corner here, Let's get
a guy here, you know, a starter here, and it's
really save our money and we'll spend our money in
our bullpen. That's not the Dodgers. The Dodgers actually can
do both. But as as we told you, and this
is not just Jason Stewart, this is me, he was
trade deadline. The surprising part was that they did. They
(05:36):
took some broken down pieces there for that middle relief,
and they haven't panned out well for them. But they're
gonna have a filthy bullpen in the future, and they're
gonna have these starters in the future. I don't know.
I watched Games one and two and there's a lot
of takeaways, but the biggest takeaway is not just that
the Dodgers are better or that the Dodgers look like
(05:59):
a better baseball team, and they do it with Mookie
Betts barely hitting and Showhyo Tony. He had one RBI,
a hard hit ground ball between first and second, And
that's really it for this series. With limited production from
your two best hitters, from two future Hall of famers,
they're up two games to none. Why because starting pitching
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still very much has a place, very much has a
place in high level playoff baseball. I love playoff baseball.
Not a foregone conclusion, but feels a little bit that way.
Here's Pat Murphy, who's the manager of the Brewers, talking
about that Dodgers dominant starting pitching.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
You know, both those pitchers were as dominant as two
pitchers have been. You know, we chased way more than
than we've chased all year. We've been the best in baseball,
not chasing these pitchers brought out the worst than us. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (07:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
If I would have told you that the Dodgers are
going to score seven runs in two games and what
was the outcome in the first two games, I'd say
there's a chance we won one of them for sure.
You know, our pitching is beat up, you know that.
I mean it was the emotional series with the Cubs,
and then our pitching has been so we weren't as sharp.
But I thought Freddie pitched well, and you know, I
(07:25):
thought Ashby came in and did a great job. Gasser
came in and did a great job, Anderson came in
and did a great job. So we had some we
had some good performances. But offensively, you've got to grind
out at batts and that's that's what been our forte.
The ball strike has been really at the core of
our offensive success and sometimes great pitching brings out the
(07:46):
worst in you.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
It can't. That's a it's a that's a great point.
Here's Dave Roberts, manager of the Dodgers, on what led
up to Yamamoto's outing last night.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
I see a real confidence. I think that's what it is.
I think that, you know, last year, certainly there was
a transition, and even in the postseason I didn't give
him a whole lot of leash, and we also had
a really talented bullpen, which we clearly leaned on and
have talked about, you know, a lot. But I think
(08:17):
this year he's got true confidence. For me, that third
time through at pitch ninety, he feels that he's the
best option, and so I think for me, that just
gives me that confidence.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Yeah. I mean, whether it's Dave or upstairs that allowed
him to close that game. Jay Stu going to the ninth,
what did you think was going to happen last night?
Speaker 7 (08:43):
I thought that they were going to go to one
of their gas cans in the bullpen. But I think
I bet I was secured by the lead five to one,
so it didn't matter. They could have brought in Tanner Scott,
who's just awful at pitching and that would have been fine.
I did scratch my head. There's a I don't understand
(09:04):
the mentality, And if Dave was asked this, I didn't
hear the answer because I sure looked I don't understand.
One of my I guess criticisms off of Game one
was one of the reasons why I was pissed off
that Blake Snell didn't start the ninth inning at least,
was because Dave took a chance for Blake Snell to
(09:26):
make history away from him. Remember last week when we
talked about signature moments in the postseason from great players,
and one of the comments in that exchange was it's
hard to have a signature moment if you're a starting pitcher.
But Blake Snell had a chance to go out get
the outs in the ninth and be the only pitcher
(09:47):
since Larsen to face twenty seven batters in a postseason game.
That's the signature moment. So I thought Dave took that
moment away from him, and that pissed me off. So
why bring Yamamoto out for the ninth if you were
gonna take snow out that that's confounding to me.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
I don't know. I mean, the only thing I can
think of is he learned from the previous night's mistake.
Is that is that fair? Like, just because you did
it the night before and it proved to be a mistake,
does that mean you have to do it again just
to be consistent, like making sense?
Speaker 7 (10:19):
No, I'm just saying that there was much more incentive.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
No, no, no, I am not disputing that. You and I
completely agree, Jason. It was a Don Larson esque pitching performance.
It made total sense. He was mowing him down. He's
not a guy who you feel like is gonna have
an arm issue because he's not throwing a hundred plus right,
He's part of part of the allure to him is
(10:46):
that that curve ball was so filthy, so filthy, they
could not figure him out, and it was the bottom
of the lineup. So you and I agree. But just
because you do something that doesn't make sense the night
before and is the wrong decision that before, and your
bullpen nearly blows it, that does not mean that you
have to make the same decision, even if it's not
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nearly the storybook it was the night before.
Speaker 7 (11:09):
That's fair.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
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Speaker 1 (11:21):
Stuck Gotleib Show Fox Sports Radio. So SEC media days
are ongoing, and it is weird right that John Caliperry's
head coach at Arkansas. It does take a little second
to kind of get that reset right, like Arkansas, Yeah, Arkansas,
mm hmm, okay, okay, how long is he gonna do it? Right?
(11:43):
Here's John Caliperry when he talked about when he'll likely retire.
Speaker 8 (11:47):
I want to help twenty five to thirty more families.
The only way you do that is your transformational as
a coach. You're not transactional. If I become transactional, I'm
going to pay you this to do this and that.
Then I won't do this anymore. I don't need to.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
I think it's a really interesting way of look at it.
It's one of the parts that a lot of these
coaches don't like. It's like, I don't want a transactional relationship.
I love that. It's a great way to put it,
and you kind of got to guard yourself against it.
Does that mean that they aren't going to end up
being transactional relationships even when they begin as transformational. No,
(12:30):
I'm sure there's plenty of guys who he feels like
he transformed their lives and like, it's not really that
one down. But I get what he's saying. I get
what he's saying. But I also think that there's a
certain car salesman element to it that we all know
(12:50):
is the perception. And John cal Perry's never shied away
from the perception of who he is and what he's
about and how his program works. He talks about the players,
you know, I want to change his families, Like, Okay,
it's a it's a little much, it comes across a
little steep, but I know what he's saying. He wants
to his whole thing is about life changing wealth that
you make in the NBA, not the the not the
(13:13):
quick buck that you're gonna make in college basketball. It's fair,
it's fair, But reality is he's got to win, and
his old ways of doing it of bringing in five
freshmen and sprinkling in some veterans and five more freshmen,
that's a hard way to live in this day and age.
It is. He brought back most of his crew from
(13:36):
last year. That's why they think they'll be pretty good.
But I, you know, it's not as transformational, and it's
more transactional than he's giving it credit. But I do
think that's the key to this whole thing. That's the
difference between the old Guard and the New Guard. The
new Guards like it's transactional whatever. You know, they don't
(13:57):
have to worry about us. I don't have to worry
about them after next year. If we don't want them around,
wa to get rid of them. If they want to
be with us, we get rid of them again. That's
the new age of thinking. I do not think that way.
I guess i'd be old school. This is John Calperry
being old school, which is hey, I just I want
to help these kids for the rest of their lives.
It does still work in recruiting. It is still true
if you if you want it to be true, even
(14:19):
after they leave, even after they transfer, you can choose
to stay in contact with them or not. You know,
kids don't. Maybe they find it weird. I still talk
to some of my former players, and I've only been
doing this for a year, and guys I wanted to
stay left. That's what happens not all of them, but
a couple of them that left. I prefer they stayed
and we still communicate. I want to be that guy
(14:39):
in their corner forever. But I also think that at
the level and the amount that Arkansas is playing at,
I don't know if that's truly possible. I don't know
if that's truly possible. We've been talking a lot about
the mostly the NLCS more so than the ALCS. We'll
(15:00):
get to that as well. Matt Holliday is our guest,
seven time All Star, four times Silver Slugger, and father
of a big leaguer and as soon to be big
leaguer and Ethan Holliday, who was the fourth pick and
last year's this year's Major League Baseball Draft, Matt, let's
let's start with Blake Snell. I started the show just
so you know with I understand analytics, I understand data,
(15:24):
I understand what you're supposed to do, why you're supposed
to do it. But there still is a place for
big time starting pitching. Right The last couple of years
had been about an opener, and even last year's Dodgers
really it's about their middle relief more than anything. But
through two games, their starting pitching has been dominant. Is
this an outlier? Why? Why are the Dodgers Why have
(15:48):
they been able to be so dominant with starting pitching
when starting pitching in the past, I don't know, decade
or so has been diminished year efter year.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
Well, I think that the fact that they signed some
of the best ones. I mean mean, you talk about Snell,
he's one of cy young in both leagues. And then
they bring over the best starting pitcher from Japan a
couple of years maybe apart. So they brought over you
know that they obviously they got Showed Hay from the Angels,
but they bring over the best starting pitcher in Japan,
(16:22):
and they loaded up before the season. And I would
argue that before the season they had they had ten
starters penculled in they would probably all of them would
start in almost every rotation in baseball. So I think
they looked at last year's team, despite the fact that
they won the World Series with primarily relievers, like you
(16:44):
said earlier, and they said, we don't know that that's sustainable,
and so, you know, they go out they put an
incredibly talented rotation together and then you know, like I said,
Snell was. He basically pitched I think seven he's something
inning during the regular season, and so they had the
they had the ability to not push him and maybe
(17:07):
went through some dead arm stuff and just when you're
when you're that good and you have that kind of
depth and you have that kind of you know, the
reality is they were going to be in the playoffs.
So what you do is you have you have the
ability to let snow get completely healthy and then he's
peaking at the end of the season and rolling into
the playoffs pitching better than I've ever seen me. His command,
(17:28):
you know, he's struggled with walks, uh, you know, in
his career, and that's always kind of been a little
bit of his bugaboo that he has to come out
early in the games because he throws so many pitches.
But he's throwing strikes. He's pitching the high nineties. He's
got a slider and a curve and a changeup that
he's pitching he's using more and so I mean, he's
(17:48):
he's been dominant. And then you know, like I said,
they've got they've got a lot of a lot of
good options in the rotation. I've always thought Doug if
you're you're starting pitching is good, you have a great
chance to win. Now there's been some some bullpenning, and
you know, there's been some a little bit of a
little bit of you know, some of the opener stuff
(18:10):
and maybe some some things, and philosophy has changed a bit,
and I think people looked at the Dodgers last year
and said, well, you know, you can win the World
Series with a good bullpen. But I've always thought that
the team you start with the rotation, and that's where
you build around.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. What's amazing
about the Dodgers two games to none lead is that
they've done it with limited help from Mookie and just
one hit from show Hay right that ground ball would
score to run. Let's start with show Hay. Why is
he struggling? What are they doing to cause the greatest
hitter in the game to struggle so far through too?
Speaker 6 (18:49):
You know, he looks a little in between. I don't
know if people understand what that means. It looks to
me like he's a little late on the fastball. He's
he's a little out in front of the off speed.
So I think they pitched him enough back and forth,
was starting him with off speed or starting with his fastball,
pitching him in, pitching him up, pitching him down. I
think they've done a really good job of of moving
(19:10):
the ball around on him. And he just looks to
me like, uh, he's a little off on his approach.
And then now it looks like it's in his head
a little bit, and so I I last night he
took a swing on a high fastball that you just
don't see him do very often, and his look on
his face was that of a hitter that I know
(19:30):
that face very well of. I'm a little lost. I'm
in my own dome, like I'm thinking too much. You know,
it looks like he's getting pitches right now to where
you know, obviously when hitters are really good, their their
timing is ready for the fastball, and they're reacting to
the off speed in a way that you know allows
their body to still hit both pitches. And it looked
(19:53):
to me like he's he's a And you know, Doug,
I've heard that he's very much into He videos every swing.
He iPad is right there even during batting practice in
the cage, and so he's very meticulous with every thing
he takes and his mechanics, and sometimes that's you know,
that served him well obviously, but sometimes you know, that
(20:16):
can get get in your head a little bit. You
start thinking about your mechanics and then the next thing
you know, you're you're a little bit lost. But you know,
these two starting pitchers have carried them and allowed those
guys to not have to do much offensively.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
How how hard is that to fix when you're in
the series, Like, how do you if sum's in your
head right? Because I remember you had a time this
year when you went down, you helped out help Jackson
out again, he's different, he's a younger player. This is
you know, arguably the greatest to ever do it. How
long does it take to get that? Flush that out,
get out of your head?
Speaker 6 (20:48):
You know it? It's one swing, you know, he'd I
think he has a heart single RBI single late in
the game yesterday. It's you know, for him, you know,
when you're talking about just a brilliant talent combined with
you know, obviously someone whose mental attitudes is off the
charts as well. I mean, I'd be surprised if if
he doesn't get hot, you know, That's the one thing
(21:11):
about the Dodgers. They they're all they're you know, they're
they're they're they're m vps. Haven't even got hot yet,
and they're still you know, sort of running through the
playoffs with with starting pitching and and some of their
unsung heroes coming up with big hits. And it feels
it feels a lot like an easy Dodger World Series championship.
(21:34):
And I'm sure Jay stew is cringing as I say that,
but that's what it feels like. I thought the Phillies
Dodgers series to me was the two best teams. And
I still feel that way.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, Okay, what
what about? What can the Brewers do right? Like it did?
It felt inevitable the last two nights because the start pitching.
Now you got show Hay right much easier if you
were to Yeah, I know how much Burth thinks. If
you've used to call you and say, Matt, what should
(22:09):
we do? What's your advice?
Speaker 6 (22:12):
You know, there's at this point to see and they
just kind of have to be who they are, right.
Try to get on base, try to try to hit
and run trying to maybe move move the ball around
a little bit, try to put some people in motion,
and try to try to make it hard on the Dodgers.
As far as putting a little pressure on them, Uh, look,
they don't. They don't have a gut of guys that
(22:33):
can hit homers. I mean, they have a few guys
that can sprinkle. You know, They've they've got you know,
Yellows hit twenty nine, I think, and in Turio has
shown some good power. But you know, when you look
at their lineup, they're they're gonna have to to find
ways to steal base and do things that they did
all year, which is which is how they they've won games.
But I mean, the bottom line is they got to hit.
(22:53):
I mean they're you know, obviously going up against those
two starters, it's it's I mean, I'm not sure any
lineup would ahead of much success, but they have to hit.
They have to take a little pressure off their pitching.
It's hard when you're your your rotation and your your
relievers know that you can't give up many runs because
you're having a hard time scoring. So there's nothing much
(23:16):
you can say, I think right now, Doug, other than
just keep keep plugging away and uh and go out
there and maybe try to scratch a run early, a
little pressure on on the Dodgers and see if they
can't get a little momentum pushed back in their favor.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
What's your reaction to the Mariners dominance on the road
of the of the Blue Jays.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
I am a little surprised. I mean, the Blue Jays
played really really well at home, so I'm kind of
surprised that they went in there and took too But
you know, they're hot. You know that that that game.
Sometimes those long games, extra in games, sometimes that can
come zapt you of energy. And then sometimes that really
can like propel you into like, oh, this is our year.
(23:58):
You know, this is this is our you know, we've
got the we've got the mojo, this is this is uh,
this is going to be you know, I think that
they they're really building off of that game five against
Detroit and and took it into Toronto, and you know,
it's one of the you know baseball like they've been
getting runs early in the game and and uh, and
(24:20):
that puts a lot of pressure in the postseason, you
just start to press a little bit. And and uh,
I am surprised. I didn't think that they would they
would win both in Toronto.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Yeah, and it wasn't close. And again the difference is
starting pitching right, like their starting pitching got lit both games,
you know, Brewers starting pitching. Actually Game one was good
but didn't extend them. Hey, let me let me circle
back to the to the to the Dodgers just for
a second game, one ninth inning, two run lead. Would
(24:53):
you have put Snell back out there? Well, one hundred
and three pitches.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
You know, I I just think that the way his
season has gone, I look, I mean, yes, I think.
You know, if a guy's rolling, and the thing that
sometimes for me is how easy he's getting the team out.
And he was getting them out like seemingly without sweating
(25:20):
like it was. It looked like he was just like
whatever pitch he wanted and whatever count he wanted it,
and he was just locked in. And so for me,
it's it's hard to take that guy out now if
you know it's the seventh and eighth inning. Uh, he
was laboring a little bit and the pitch count was
high in one of those innings, but he seemed to
(25:41):
be getting better as he was going. But I don't
know what his pitch count high this year has been.
Like I said, he's only thrown I think only threw
seventy some innings in the regular season. So I think
you have to be you have to be a little
bit cautious for his next start, because you know, you're
you're at this point, you're thinking, we're gonna make it
(26:02):
to the World Series. And if he goes out there
and I let him throw one hundred and twenty pitches
in him four days, he's super sore or you know,
I have to some comes down with triceps tight or
and then all of a sudden, you know, it screws
up your plans for the World Series. So I mean, look,
I think you can look at it both ways. But
Dave Roberts knows, you know, obviously he's with them every
(26:25):
day and he knows the ins and out so and
then you know, the next night he lets he lets
the other guy throw the whole game. So I think
it probably has more to do with with Snells, maybe
just this this season and the way that you know,
maybe he's had a little bit of dead arm at
times and they've had to they've had to work around
(26:46):
some some injury stuff that probably kept him from sending
him back out.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, so
what what can we learn, Like, what can we learn
from this baseball for future years?
Speaker 7 (27:05):
Like?
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Right, like the Brewers are they play mostly small ball,
really athletic, tremendous defensively, right, and they've they they've been
able to withstand injuries the past two years to get here.
The Dodgers, Right, they went from their bullpen being their
secret to now being their their secret sauce to now
being starting pitching at least in this series. And then
(27:27):
they just have an overwhelming lineup. Then you have the
Mariners and who make a late season acquisition for a
big home run hitter that seems to put them over
the top. Then obviously they got the Blue Jays as well.
What's the takeaway? Like, where are we with baseball outside
of the Dodgers and they're seeming dominance that that's a
trend that other people are going to copy.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
Yeah, I mean I think there's I think for me,
what it says is there's a lot of ways to win.
I mean, I think there's a lot of ways to
build teams that can get to this point. I mean,
I think you can build a starting pitching. I think
you know you have enough offense. The Mariners have had
great starting pitching the last few years, but just haven't
quite quite enough offense. Well they you know, Cal Rawly
(28:08):
hit sixty hummers, they get Sorez back, Rose Arena has
a good season. Now all of a sudden, they're scoring
some runs tied with their good pitching. So blue Jays
blue Jays are. They've won a lot of games on
in a lot of different ways. I think they've been
good in all areas. I don't think they've necessarily been great,
but you know, when you have a guy like Laddie
(28:29):
and then you got Lashett who I think led the
American League hits but obviously hasn't been in postseason. But
they've got a couple of superstars. So I think I
think you can build teams differently. Like you said earlier,
the Dodgers won last year with bullpen. This year that
they're winning was starting pitching. So I think how you
(28:50):
build your team and then like your core and then
kind of building around that is interesting because I do
think that there's different philosophies and obviously how much money
you have. You know, Brewers don't have the money the
Dodgers have, so they have to build their team a
little differently, but it is effective. And I think that's
(29:10):
the fun part about these smaller markets is they have
to figure out how to beat somebody like the Dodgers,
who can, you know, spend whatever they want. So I
think it's fun based on a fun game in that
there's just a lot of different ways to build a
good team.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Matt, you're the best, Bud. I appreciate you joining us.
We'll see what these series look like. Is right now
they're two games done with the home teams returning. With
that leads, we may be all West Coast series with
the Mariners and the Dodgers. Appreciate you being our guest.
We'll talk real soon, good Doctor.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
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Speaker 2 (30:19):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 9 (30:28):
ISLO, what's the game today, Doug, we vow that you
will enjoy this game?
Speaker 2 (30:33):
For Better or Worse?
Speaker 7 (30:35):
All right?
Speaker 9 (30:35):
First item of business, Doug, for Better or Worse as
an NFL MVP candidate right now, Patrick Mahomes or Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Uh, Baker Mayfield, Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 9 (30:54):
I'm in agreement there. Next item, expanding on what we
talked about at the beginning of the show, for Better
or Worse the eight inning one hit performance on the
mound by Blake Snell or the complete game three hit
outing by Yoshinobu Yamamoto.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
I'm gonna go with Blake Snell's. He faced the minimum
batters and then he picked off the one batter that
got on base.
Speaker 9 (31:27):
So Blake Snell onto something a little more specifically in
your Bailey Wick, and that's college basketball for Better or Worse?
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Bailey Wick. Huh.
Speaker 9 (31:39):
Yeah, I didn't even didn't even have to look that
one up. By the way, all right, better or worse
college basketball coaching career John Caliperi or Bill.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Self, Bill self? Not close? Really okay, not close, not close.
Seals won two national championships. He's won one. He also
Bill self also both of his championship for comebacks, and
(32:16):
one was against John Caliperry. Now, now coach cal can
try and hey, you know, I'm about the NBA and
giving these kids a great life. That's great, that's great.
I actually think he is about that in a lot
of ways. But I mean you said coaching career. I
think it's close.
Speaker 9 (32:35):
And by the way, a preview of coming attractions, isn't
that uh coming up for you November Kansas?
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Sure? All right? But the Jayhawks, Ah, sounds like fun?
Speaker 9 (32:48):
Huh well, Alan field House.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
No, I mean that's that's It's like, it's like, what
what whatever you've experienced. I tell our guys all the time,
whenever you've experienced as a player, ten exit and that's
what the place, that's the place. It's the best place. Yeah,
you know, I think Duke is awesome. There are other places.
Duke is probably a one B or two A. But
(33:14):
I think that baug Allen's the best. The historic nature
of it. You know, you have the rules of basketball,
the guy who invented basketball. Coach there.
Speaker 9 (33:25):
Amazing, good old doctor Naysmith. I don't know if it's
like this for you or others, But for some reason,
I just like the fact that light from the outside
gets in the field house. For some reason, that just
adds Yeah, that just adds another dimension to me. All Right,
(33:45):
So we got better or worse for college basketball coaches.
I'm gonna throw on at you in light of this.
Russell Westbrook news Sacramento King signing him to a one
year deal. It'll be his eighteenth season, his seventh team
in the last eight years. For better or worse as
a playing career, Russell Westbrook or James Harden.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Who's had a better playing career? Yeah, I'd say James Harden.
I'd say James Harden. Okay, that's a hard one. That's
a really good one. I don't think either are championship
caliber players. Yeah, but they both had amazing careers and
they've both been MVPs O. I'm gonna go James Harden,
(34:32):
but I could be sold that I'm wrong there.
Speaker 9 (34:34):
Yeah, no, that's a really interesting one, all right. And
our final item on this edition of For Better or Worse,
I'm going to ask you to compare a current head
coaching opening in the National Football League with a potential
potential head coaching opening in the NFL, both out of
(34:55):
the AFC. For Better or Worse, the actual current head
coaching opening with the Tennessee Titans, or the potential potential
potential head coaching opening with another AFC team, the Miami Dolphins,
which is the more attractive.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
One Tennessee Titans because you have your quarterback of the future,
whereas I if you if Mike mcdam's gets fired, then
to a they probably clean house with the whole front office.
I think it's Tennessee. Tennessee opens a new stadium next
I think next year. Yes, they have a quarterback. It's
(35:35):
a division you can win in. You can flip it
pretty quickly in. I'm gonna go Tennessee Titans.
Speaker 9 (35:40):
And by the way, along along those lines, speaking of
the Tennessee Miami Dolphins dynamic, remember those comments that to
a tongue I Loa made after Sunday's loss to the
Chargers when he called out his teammates for showing up
late to players only meetings or missing them entirely. Well,
just moments ago, he actually publicly apologized for that.
Speaker 7 (36:00):
Duck.
Speaker 9 (36:00):
So I'll play that for you right now.
Speaker 10 (36:02):
I've made a mistake. I'm owning up to that right now.
You know. For for myself, I got to look at
myself as as the leader protecting the team. I don't
feel like I did that. I let the emotions of
the game get to me after the game, and what
happens in house should be protected. Want to publicly apologize
about that.
Speaker 9 (36:19):
So that was two a tongue of Iolo moments ago,
and that is a footnote to this complete game of
for better or worse, this.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Is game time on the Dug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
You didn't know it was supposed.
Speaker 9 (36:37):
To stay in house, like what he does now.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
I you know he just went walking cliche there like,
but you didn't know you were supposed to keep it
in house, Tua. Really the emotions of the game, you
weren't emotional. You were a matter of fact about it.
And as I said, he is should be the leader
of this team. And so in saying it's about the leadership, well,
(37:04):
that's you. The whole episode was just strange, really strange.
Do we decide a no midway today because of no buyer?
Is that what we did?
Speaker 7 (37:15):
That we're moving forward without it. It's just it's not
a pure midway, you know, pure midway.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
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(37:45):
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