All Episodes

October 16, 2025 • 38 mins

Doug previews the Steelers-Bengals game while comparing watching the NFL game to either of the LCS games in baseball. Doug welcomes former NFL player and FSR host Rich Ohrnberger onto the show to talk college football. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "I Feel A Draft".

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Mark as Played
Transcript

Episode Transcript

Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:01):
Thanks for listening to The Doug Gotleep Show podcast. Be
sure to catch us live every weekday three to five,
twelve two Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local
station for The Doug Gottlieb Show at Foxsports Radio dot com,
or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app
by searching app as car Booming Up America Doug Gottlieb Show.
Fuck Sports Radio. It's a Thursday that means we got football.

(00:27):
It's also a Thursday where we got more baseball. It's
a Thursday. Well, every day you get the DG Show,
plus you get the podcast that follows the show. Welcome
in Hope. You're having a spectacular day. Kind of weird
Thursday night game, right Like, I actually think this year

(00:49):
in the NFL there's been some quality performances. I don't
know if I would be as harsh with it as
Jay stuw is.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
You know.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Jay Stu calls it the Zuopa the zerup a tour
where we just people will pay anything to see you too,
so they'll pay anything and total gloss over the lack
of finally played football. I do think there's been some
games in a well played but part of the breakdown
in quality of play. Is what we're seeing with the Bengals. Right,

(01:18):
you got forty year old Joe Flacco coming in he's
quarterback and taking on an older you know, forty year
old Aaron Rodgers' quarterback now Rogers it was planned for
him to be quarterback and is what we believe is
this last year with the Steelers. But then you take
out Trey Hendrickson, you add in the fact that Flacco
just got to the team. The Steelers are coming off
a game with the Browns where they sacked sat to

(01:40):
quarterback six times, and five and a half doesn't feel
like enough. It is in Cincinnati. It is a rivalry game,
and the more we try and count people out the more,
especially the Bengals. You know, they do have Jamar Chason.
If you go back to last week's Packers game, he's
still very much a problem.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
But this does not feel like one.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
I want to tune in for him, like I'm literally
tuning in to see what Aaron Rodgers looks like a
third of the season in that's the check in here.
And it's weird because Aaron Rodgers has been different degrees
of pretty good all year. Last He's been trending better.
The issue with the Steelers has been their defense was
kind of eh until you know last week or two,

(02:26):
great uniform matchup right where you got the Bengals, who
once again are going to be featured. But I don't
see I don't see a path there. And one of
the things that you can it doesn't always happen this way.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
We did a game I don't know was this week.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
Last week we talked about our favorite backup quarterbacks, and
our favorite backup quarterbacks are the favorite backup quarterbacks because
they came in and played well.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
But those guys are few and far between, right, Like.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
We'd all agree Flacco is a bad fit for the system,
not because he can't pick it up mentally and get
rid of the football quickly, but because their offensive line
is a weakness and he is a.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
Statue back there.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
And then you have a team that has pass rush
was sort of non existent first couple weeks and now
has come back to play. Doesn't feel good. And I
would say a Dodgers Brewers is to watch, but that
one feels like a mismatch too. And I know Blue

(03:31):
Jays and Mariners is getting close to getting even up
because the Blue Jays won last night.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
But that's a.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Series that exists only on the bottom line. I would
challenge any of us. That's like a real thing. I'll
just ask you, Jase, do Happy Birthday to Jason Stewart.
It is his birthday.

Speaker 4 (03:54):
Thank you, thank you, and I won't.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
I'm gonna say this for Jason. He is not somebody
who searches for happy birthdays, although I'm guessing at the
end of the day he will do the obligatory on
his Facebook page to all of that, to everybody who
reached out, thank you for all the birthday wishes, making
everyone who didn't wish him a happy birthday feel very,
very guilty. But Jay s, dude, did you even watch

(04:19):
a pitch of last night's Blue Jays Mariners game?

Speaker 4 (04:22):
No? I watched. I watched just about all of them.
I think Vlad Guerrero Junior is a fascinating watch. Like,
if you're going to list the five players in Major
League Baseball that make me Kanawa stop and watch, it's vlat.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
Oh wait wait, wait almost last night? Can we can
we pocket that part for a little bit later on
in the segment?

Speaker 5 (04:43):
Right?

Speaker 3 (04:44):
The five guys you do want to watch? I mean
that was.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
That was as bad a beat down as you're ever
going to see in baseball. In an ALCS the Blue
Jays had eighteen hits and thirteen runs.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
I mean, that's a joke.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
It's so good and heck it was like I cal
Raley had another home run, right, Rodriguez hit another home
run as well, But eighteen hits anyway, go ahead? Why
is he such a fascinating watch to you?

Speaker 4 (05:13):
I just think that these NEPO babies that are always
kind of ascended, maybe ahead of when they should, almost
never live up to it. And I think that he
has almost and almost surpassed it. He's put that team
on his shoulder for the last six weeks of the year.
They have the best record in the American League because

(05:33):
of him. I just find him fascinated.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
Okay, So who are the other four that you find
most fascinating?

Speaker 4 (05:39):
But show hey, Bryce Harper. I love watching Bryce. I
love watching uh Sken's pitch, and then show Hay and
Judge would fill out the five.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
Okay, Okay, I think that's a really good list. Did
you hear what was it?

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Dombrowski head he's with the Phillies where he said today
he doesn't know if uh. He was talking about the
future of the Phillies and he said he doesn't know
if Bryce Harper will ever get back to the level
that he wants played at.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
I was like, wow, I agree with that. He's looked
like a show of himself last year or so.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yeah, no, no, it's but it's just interesting, like especially
for you having a birthday, right, Like, you feel your
age sometimes when you see that number, but you also
feel your age when you're like, wait, I remember when
Bryce Harper was like twenty, Now he's thirty two, right,
Like I remember when Bryce Harper's been playing in Major

(06:38):
League Baseball for what fourteen years?

Speaker 3 (06:43):
I mean, that's insane.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
So I think if you're I won't reveal your age,
But if your age doesn't make you feel old, the
fact that Bryce Harper has gone from the next one
to past his prime, I just I don't know, makes
me feel super.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
I was born in seventy two, so I'm officially Harry Carson. Happy,
Happy birthday, you old man.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
There you go, there you go. What do you do
for a fifty third birthday?

Speaker 4 (07:11):
Zero? Exactly zero. But Dan Bayer loves birthdays. He appreciates birthdays,
more than most people I've ever met, and he will.
He refuses to allow me to ignore my own birthday.
And he bought me buffalo wild wings as a birthday gift.
He was the first person on staff to wish me

(07:33):
happy birthdays. So Dan just refuses to allow me to
do what I like to do, which is just kind
of ignore my birthday. Got to do it.

Speaker 6 (07:41):
It's your day for once a year, you know, one
time of year, it's your day.

Speaker 4 (07:46):
Thanks for the wings, They're delicious. Way to tick now,
way to tick?

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Was it? Dan?

Speaker 7 (07:51):
I think I was the first to wish Jason a
happy birthday via text this morning.

Speaker 4 (07:55):
No, I look at the timestamp. I looked at the timestamp.

Speaker 6 (07:58):
I do not do, by the way, not do group
texts because it lets the other people off the hook
on knowing the person's birthday. So I sent a personal
text to Jason Happy birthday.

Speaker 7 (08:10):
Mine was at nine fifty two Pacific time.

Speaker 4 (08:12):
Nine one is one who sent yep?

Speaker 5 (08:14):
Are you serious?

Speaker 3 (08:15):
Yep?

Speaker 6 (08:16):
Dang yep. But I even let Jason know I go
by the way. I beat Sam just for the record
to show I got to check this out.

Speaker 5 (08:23):
Here a tour de France time.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
Hold on so it's nine, what time? Nine?

Speaker 2 (08:28):
What?

Speaker 4 (08:29):
Hold on? Hold on?

Speaker 6 (08:30):
My text is not on the group text because I
didn't text on the group text.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
Listen, I believe you.

Speaker 5 (08:34):
I believe I'm a screenshot for proof.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
No, I don't need a screenshot for proof. I just
know the timing of it.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
I asked because because I'm not a big Facebook guy, right,
I'm not. But I do wish happy birthdays on Facebook often,
and I believe I wished Jay Stu a happy birthday
on Facebook. And I was just trying to see the
timing of when here it is three hours ago?

Speaker 3 (09:03):
What time is it? So this is yeah, you beat
me to the punch too well. I don't know what
times you wish.

Speaker 5 (09:08):
My birthday about two and a half hours ago, Doug.

Speaker 7 (09:11):
If you were if you had wished him a happy
birthday three hours ago, that would have been like nine
ten nine o nine am Pacific time.

Speaker 6 (09:18):
I feel your Facebook happy birthday, though, does not rise
to the level of the text.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
Wow. Yes, there is something more personal about the text.
I'm not going to dispute that.

Speaker 5 (09:28):
Facebook is very performative, I believe.

Speaker 6 (09:31):
So it's like, look at me, everybody, I'm wishing Jason
a happy birthday.

Speaker 7 (09:37):
But I do rely on Facebook for helping jog my memory.
When there is a birthday, it is very helpful.

Speaker 6 (09:42):
Someone else has got a birthday coming up very soon,
we'll have a race to that birthday wish.

Speaker 7 (09:47):
I yes that he would be talking about me my
birthday on Sunday. I do want to say something funny
that my dad wished his buddy Nick, who's a little
younger than him, a happy birthday. Nicks in his sixties,
but he said happy birthday. You'll get over, which I
think is perfect for when you get older. Like he just,
I feel like you just kind of want to move past.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
I do feel like I'm not getting rewarded Jason, or
not even getting There's no confirmation or affirmation or tip
of the cap to the fact that I actually got
the happy birthday wishes.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
No. First, I just did my due diligence. Great job
of the ninety people that mushed me a happy birthday
up to now on Facebook. Doug got in before Dan
got his tech message in yep, three hours ago.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Dan's was more personal and thoughtful. Mine was more time
sensitive and meeting now. I did run the benefit of
being hours ahead, right hours ahead Doug.

Speaker 4 (10:39):
Doug sent his message right after the girl I had
a crush on in eighth grade, which I only accepted
her follow out to see if she's still hot, and
then there's Doug Godway.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Is she still hot? It's a great question. Oh Man,
got quiet.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
That's a yes, he's deliberated.

Speaker 6 (10:57):
She's probably very nice looking, right, Jason's a pleasant looking woman.

Speaker 4 (11:01):
He looks like a very nice person.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
What does a nice person look like?

Speaker 4 (11:07):
You can tell you know, glasses, glass.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Glasses, glasses, Glasses means you're nice. I wear glasses sometimes.

Speaker 6 (11:15):
I do want to say this, do you want to
say the birthday? I think we're getting hung up on
the adding another year, like you just it's a it's
a great reason to celebrate the person, to celebrate Jason
Stewart on Sunday, to celebrate Iowa, Sam, you're getting a
year older, yes, but of all the other days of
the year, we're not doing it. So on your birthday

(11:36):
it's the day to celebrate you. Today is also a
National Boss's Day. Shout out to the Scott Shapiro.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
Got Shapiro, he's a great boss.

Speaker 4 (11:47):
I just heard from Scott as he was listening to you. Guys,
talk about your text messages to me. He sent one
as we were talking about it, and what.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
He said, what's the birth just his happy birthday or
having party?

Speaker 4 (11:58):
He hopes the Dodgers win tonight for a nice birthday gift.
So it's a nice touch. He's a birthday guy.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
I do have to ask. Scott was like, was he
at both Vikings games overseas?

Speaker 4 (12:11):
No?

Speaker 5 (12:11):
We thought he was, but no he was just I
knew he was only at one.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
Was that the one in Dublin?

Speaker 5 (12:17):
Yes? The inside track, I guess.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Well, part of this is Facebook Nation where he was.
He was on like an African Safari. Then he's like,
he's taking his kids everywhere, Like, what are we paying
these guys? I don't know what's going on up there?
I'm kidding, of course, Scott Happy bosses Day.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
Part of it is just jealous.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
I have FOMO and I you know, I do think
Facebook and the grammar performative. But if he's performing well.

Speaker 7 (12:43):
He's got a lot of stamps in his passport, does
does well travel.

Speaker 6 (12:47):
I also realized that I did the opposite of what
I just said, So I will text Scott a happy
Boss's Day now individually because it's pretty it's pretty uh
quite a double standard, if I am, if I'm not
doing so.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
No, because happy Boss's Day is not a real thing, right,
Like nobody goes to the.

Speaker 6 (13:09):
To makes the calendar. Tell you what makes the calendar?
Just to make the one that we've got hanging in
our kitchen. So when I left today, A.

Speaker 7 (13:19):
Lot of people don't like their boss, so why would
they wish them a happy boss is day?

Speaker 3 (13:22):
What time did you leave your house today?

Speaker 5 (13:24):
Damn byre uh ten thirty.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
Okay, ten thirty, So in the last hour and forty
five minutes only, now did you wish him happiness?

Speaker 5 (13:35):
I know, I'm telling you. Bad job by me.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Bad job, bad job, bad job. S Doug Gottlip Show
here on Fox Sports Radio. I can't tell if I'm
into or not into watching Rogers tonight. I guess I am.
You know, he was the guy I wanted to pay
most attention to. I just I guess part of it is,
you know, no Hendrickson, no Burrow, I don't know. Here's

(14:00):
Aaron Rodgers talk about the matchup with Joe Flack Up.

Speaker 8 (14:03):
Yeah, I think it's great, great for all the old guys.
You know, I know that when I watch other sports.
Maybe it's because I'm the older guy, but I tend
to to pull for the older guys to win, to
win championships. But it's great. I mean, I've known Joe
for a long time. He's been great coming to my

(14:24):
charity event, He's been a great ambassador for the league.
He's had a great career, and it's fun that we're
both still playing.

Speaker 9 (14:30):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
What's your.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
Least favorite misuse of the English language or is it
your is it your favorite misuse? Or your your favorite
pet peeve or your least favorite pet peeve?

Speaker 4 (14:57):
Big, biggest pet peeve, biggest.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
Big pet peeve, biggest pet peeve? Did you have one?

Speaker 4 (15:02):
Chase?

Speaker 10 (15:02):
Two?

Speaker 4 (15:03):
Oh? I've got lots of them. I judge people all
the time, but malaprops, malaprops in general kind of proved
to me how uneducated you are. Malaprops for those who
don't know, or when you use a word and mean
to use a different word that sounds the same.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
I think, okay, and and help me out if I'm
wrong with malaprops. But it's also you have a tendency
to use a more wordy word malapropism. Right, it's the
incorrect use of a word in a place that similar sound,
either unintentionally or for a comedic effect. Right, it so funny.
Mala prompts are great, but sometimes they're unintentionally funny. I

(15:47):
view malapromptism as when people try to use big words
that sound smart and they misuse them.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
Is that accurate?

Speaker 4 (15:54):
I don't know. I know the most famous malaprop in
the history of American literature is in The Advent Was
a Huckleberry Fan, when the snake oil salesman tells a
group of people that he has a uh, he has
the cure for all the deceased.

Speaker 7 (16:10):
M wow, bring them back from the dead.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
Damn buy what's your what's your well?

Speaker 5 (16:19):
What do you say this?

Speaker 6 (16:20):
I always thought it was browning points until about twenty
years ago when I was dating a girl and I
said something about browning points, She's like, it's brownie points.
Like what are you talking about? It's browning because I
thought it was kissing butt. And when you would kiss butt,
maybe your nose would get brown She goes, No, it's brownie.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
Yeah, like bringing brownies to the to the office. Right,
That's that's the isn't it.

Speaker 5 (16:45):
I don't know. I thought it was that. Yeah, yeah,
just I thought it was Browning.

Speaker 7 (16:51):
Yeah, like Jake Browning points, yes, exactly.

Speaker 5 (16:56):
And it made sense to me.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
That's okay.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
Most most people, well, I would say more than fifty
percent of people say it's a tough road to hoe
and it's row to hoe. You don't hoe a road
that's impossible to how you.

Speaker 4 (17:12):
Ho a row? Correct?

Speaker 5 (17:16):
Correct? Correct?

Speaker 1 (17:17):
My chasety? What did you say? My what pet peeve?
My my least favorite pet peeve.

Speaker 5 (17:26):
I think he's efforting my biggest.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
Pet peeve, My biggest pet peeve is what, Well, I
don't know, it's biggest. Yeah, biggest is what Caleb Williams
said about the criticism from Troy Egman.

Speaker 10 (17:38):
Yeah, I could care less. It's kind of how i've
I think I've said multiple times. People are gonna say
what they.

Speaker 4 (17:45):
Have to say.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
We win, we lose.

Speaker 10 (17:48):
People have stuff to say it was lucky, it was
not lucky. People have stuff to say. Have a bad game,
have a good game. People have stuff to say. So
it's it's it doesn't matter. We're only worried about what's
going on here within this bill and with these guys.
So that's all all I can say about that.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
Okay, Yeah, it's if you could care less, that means
you care and you could actually care less. That means
you care a lot or enough to where you could
care less.

Speaker 4 (18:13):
You haven't hit rock bottom and caring.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
No, that's it's I could not care less, I couldn't
care less, or I could not care less. Please make
a note of it. Stet Gottlieb show Here on Fox
Sports Radio. Rich Hornberger joins us. He's a former NFL lineman.
Remember he played college football at Penn State. He's the
host of Fox Worts.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
Radio's Countdown to Kickoff, which airs each Saturday between nine
a m. And noon Eastern time.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
Listen lab and of our Fox Sports Radio Phillits or
the iHeartRadio represented by Bett MGM. Rich, let me start
with your album Moto with Penn State. What's your reaction
to James Franklin being fired after three straight losses.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Well, it's expected considering the time we live in in
college football, this nil era. We're at a point where
outside voices matter more to football programs than they ever have.
I mean, you have people who can donate a significant

(19:10):
amount of money not just to football programs, but now
directly to players, and not only just players on your roster,
but also players that you're potentially recruiting into the future.
And those people who are willing to front that type
of money have a lot more sway and consideration when

(19:32):
major decisions are being made about the future of said program.
So we're living in a time where the most important
word in all in college football is recruitment. And what
started happening with James Franklin during this three game skid
is you're hearing about players you wavering on their commitments

(19:55):
to Penn State, and there was, you know, a couple
of decommits. You know, you have these situations where these
people who have invested resources into the football program are
looking at the future of the football program and understanding
where college football is going, where it's going to lean
mightily on retaining great players, keeping the players you have

(20:18):
in house, but then also bringing in great players, whether
it be from high school or in the transfer portal.
And if you have a situation where all of a
sudden you have an unpopular place to go to. As
a result of the results of the season, you unfortunately
have to make a move. Now, this is nothing about
the character of the man. I think James Franklin is

(20:39):
a good guy, and he's he's a heck of a
recruiter and a heck of a ball coach, but he
really struggled. You know that the record is the record
in games against top ten opponents. It's been a dearth
of wins, and there's been a lot more attention paid
to that recently than ever before, or because of how

(21:01):
much better the conference has gotten through realignment.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
I understand all that. I mean, the decommitment thing, I mean,
it really kind of means nothing to me. And I'll
tell you why, Rich is, when you fire the coach,
everybody's decommitting like you're you're gonna lose ninety percent of
the team, right. That's that's the reality to it. But
I look, I I do understand. I I don't understand.

(21:28):
Why do it? Now, That's that's my question. Why wouldn't
you just let them coach the coaching you can, You
can make the exact same move. And if anything, if
if Matt Rule's really your guy, you're giving Nebraska, you know,
like a month and a half to figure out how
they can form a contract that he can't get out
of or you know, I mean that that's really kind

(21:49):
of what you do. Otherwise, you put them in in
in much better, you know, you give them a shorter
window to to come back from what it's likely to
be an offer.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Well, you're looking at this very rationally, and I think
a lot of times these decisions aren't necessarily based off
of rationality and they're more emotional decisions. And I completely
agree with you. I think strategically, tactically, there's a better
way to go about all of this. I think that
James Franklin, like I said, is a heck of a

(22:22):
football coach. I don't think one three game slide is
necessarily what warrants are firing, you know. I mean, you
can certainly again harken back to the record against top
ten teams and say, like, this is a problem historically
with his tenure as a head coach. But the reality is,

(22:48):
I feel like there were a lot of people either
within the program or on the outside with close ties
to the program, but we're tired of seeing those high
profile losses and we're waiting for the best possible evidence
or excuse to make the decision, and so strategically, maybe
for them it made a lot of sense to wait
for the lowest point of this coaching career with Penn State.

(23:11):
And there's no doubt that this, you know, the loss
to Oregon and then the you know, the consecutive losses
to UCLA on the road, and then the home game
against Northwestern were you know, you know that compilation of
losses was the low point. But goodness gracious, I mean,
doesn't mean that it's a lost season. Doesn't mean that
you need to move on from the coach immediately. No, no,

(23:33):
of course it doesn't. And and tactically there there was
probably a better way to go about all of it.
But I don't think they were necessarily worried about tactics.
They were more worried about, Hey, what's going to feel
good right now? Even if it costs us a little
bit more money, even if it potentially costs us our
targeted coaching higher. At least we were able to tear

(23:57):
the band aid off when there was a moment where
if right to do so. And so I agree with you, Doug.
I think the why The why is because there was
there was enough groundswell of emotion behind the the decision
to do this right now. And I think that's as
far as anybody thought.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of Rich Ormberg. Of course you can hear him
on count On to Kickoff every Saturday here on Fox
Sports Radio, presented by Bett MGM.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
Huge weekend in college football.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
I want to ask about Oklahoma, right, you know, here
they were rolling along, then they go into the Red
River rivalry. Texas comes limping in in Texas Thompson. Now
they go to South Carolina. South this is like their
last game in which they there face probably likely to
be favored or definitely favorite body as many points. What's

(24:52):
your thoughts on OU bouncing back from last week?

Speaker 2 (24:55):
I mean, is it possible?

Speaker 4 (24:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (24:58):
But South Carolina all of a sudden is looking a
little bit more like what we were supposed to seek
out South Carolina look like to start the season. You
know a lot of people were really high on Lenora
Sellers as a potential Heisman selection. I think I think
that boat is probably much farther from shore than it

(25:22):
was to start the season. But in terms of Oklahoma.
I mean, can they write the ship?

Speaker 4 (25:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Do I have a tremendous amount of faith that they're
going to write the ship? No. To be perfectly honest
with you, I think that I think that joining the
SEC was one of those things that they had to do.
I don't think it was it was necessarily the best
thing for the football program, I think, I think, but

(25:52):
they had to do it. And I think the weekend
week out rigor of competition in that comptference has worn
down that roster more than predicted over the past couple
of seasons, and I think it may take another year
or two of roster construction to be able to compete

(26:14):
with the type of talent that you have floating around
the SEC and getting used to taking on the level
of competition they're facing in the SEC on a year
and a year out basis.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
Rich let me ask you about Vanderbilt. They're a home
favorite against LSU. This is not your this is not
our Vanderbilt that that's competing LSU. After looking great first
week the season at Clemson, we find out Clemson's just okay.
Their offense is kind of stunk. Can Vanderbilt beat LSU

(26:45):
at home, will they beat ls at home?

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Vanderbilt is capable of beating, of hosting and beating top
level teams. Vanderbilt gives a real run at I mean,
like you know, look, I don't want to overstay. I
don't in overstate. Like the for example, the game against
Alabama they lost by two scores, was a two scores.

(27:08):
I think the final is thirty to fourteen. But like
when you look at that game, for example, like you know,
is Bama the nick taban Bama?

Speaker 4 (27:18):
No?

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Does Obama have a defense like they used to? Know?
Do I think that Emma could potentially compete for a
national championship maybe this year, maybe not, But but Vandy
absolutely can sneak up on teams. And LSU has had
some head scratching moments already this season. So yeah, I don't,

(27:39):
I don't. I don't put that out of them, of
the realm of possibility, because Vanderbilt usually has one or
two really really sneaky punches in them each season, and
this could be.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
It definitely could be. It another big game in Athens, Georgia.
You see's just stacked this week you had Tennessee Bama.
But of course, you know with with Georgia a team
that has lost at home. Right, they lost at home,
but it was it was to Alabama. This is a
gigantic game against Old Miss.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
What do you like it? The Old Miss Georgia game.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
I like Georgia. I think, I mean, we we know,
we know what it is. It's it's it's hard to
win between the hedges. I mean that is that is
the place that classically has hosted some horror shows for
for UH, for SC visiting SEC teams. And you know,

(28:38):
you have a team in Old Miss who I think
has an abundance of confidence, and I think that is
earned and should be recognized with the win over LSU.
But I look, it takes a special group to be
able to go into that place and leave with the W.
So I'm leaning Georgia here. However, again, the same way

(28:59):
we were just talking about Bama is the way I'll
talk about Georgia. I mean, this isn't This isn't Georgia
two or three years ago, even where they were, you know,
pumping out national championship visits. It feels like they've taken
a little bit of a step down. I think in
college football overall, there's more parody than there's been in years,

(29:19):
and I do think that is the leveling off or
chilling factor that the NIL era has had on college football.
I think you're seeing a lot of teams being able
to compete at a higher level and stand toe to
toe with, you know, these standard national powers because you
know they they they're able to recruit and retain the

(29:41):
talent now as long as they have deep pockets, or
they're spending the money in the right places, or they
happen to have a year where they're getting lucky or
fortunate with their injury situation. But having said all that,
it's a tough place to win in Georgia. So I'll
take the dogs at home.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
Out show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the voice
of Rich Ornberger. Rich let me ask you about Indiana,
Like they go in and beat and beat Oregon at
organ and you got a coach who's won. He's got
some swag too, He's got this funny, quirky, super confident presentation.

(30:20):
Do you stay there, signetti? Like I get you could
probably make a jump, But I think he Indiana's got
a ton of money and they've never been anything. And
now there's something I don't know, Like again, in the
in the in the last fifty years, you'd always leave
to go to a Penn State, or to an Arkansas
or to wherever from an Indiana. But that's where the

(30:43):
landscape has changed. Whereas if they fund them the way
I think they're funded, do you just stay there?

Speaker 2 (30:50):
I mean, look, this is this is one of those
personal questions that unless you know the man and unless
you know the thought process and have the answer, and
I guess we'll find out soon. But you laid it
out perfectly, Doug. And you know you've been watching college
football for a very long time, and you know we've

(31:11):
all seen it. You know, you can have a very
long and prosperous career setting down deep roots out of
university and ingratiating yourself to the SAM base, and you know,
welcoming alumni to participate and be actively involved, and they
can do so more than ever, you know, given the

(31:32):
times and how they've changed. And you know, basically it's
like open donation to the players, pocketbooks and all the
things we know about college football right now. But you
know there's also that other side to this coin, which
is if you are the type of coach who has
spent his entire life waiting for this moment, you know,

(31:54):
to grasp that life's golden ring, to have an opportunity
to be one of those names that's you know, etched
on the wall at one of these top tier universities.
And then on top of that, obviously the goal doesn't
stop there. You know, your hope is to bring a
national championship. That's what you're fighting for. To take it

(32:14):
a step further, you know, an opportunity like Penn State.
I mean, how often is that going to come around
during the prime of signettes years. I don't know, you know,
is there going to be another round of hirings or
firings while he's still at the tippy top of the
mountain in terms of names available on the coaching carousel,

(32:36):
Where he's going to even be be considered for a
job like that, I mean, I don't know, and he
doesn't either, and so you got to factor that into
this equation too. Do I think it's likely that he
stays at Indiana? No, Because, I mean, if we're going
to look at the numbers, if we're going to look
at the stats on coaches who have moved on after
having success at a smaller program, going to a bigger program.

(33:00):
That's literally how he landed the Indiana job. Where was
he before?

Speaker 4 (33:03):
That? Was it? I up?

Speaker 2 (33:04):
I mean, you know, I forget, I forget what school
he is.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
A James Madison remember remember they had they had Tom
Allen a couple of years ago, and he was king
of the world there and he had Michael Pennix.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
He's beaten people.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
Pennix hurts his knee transfers, and you know, Tom Allen's
out of a job a couple years later because he
stayed in Indiana instead of making the gym, right, that's
so good point.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Yeah, we've seen it happen there before. So yeah, I mean,
do I think the Hoosiers fans are really excited for
the the what he's done for them. Absolutely. Do I
think he's excited for what he's been able to do
for them. Absolutely? But do I think the likeliest scenario
is that he stays No, I think the likeliest scenario
is that he moves on and he moves up.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
Rich Orenberger check him out. Saturday Morning okay with Brian
no rich Oornberger airs each Saturday nine am to noon
Eastern Time. It's called count tend to kickoff listen live
on our Fox Sports Radio fillage, The iHeartRadio presented by
Bett MGM.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
Ridge. Thanks so much for joining us. We really appreciate.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
It anytime, Doug.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
For over forty years, Tyrek has been helping customers find
the right tires for how what, where they drive, ship
fast and free back by free road as protection with
convenien installation options like mobile tire installation, tyret dot comwaytire
buying should be It's ottime for our tyrect play the
day cared the Blue Jays Radio.

Speaker 7 (34:19):
Networks pitch Lottie hits it high in deep center field,
moving back, Rodriguez at the warning track, leaps.

Speaker 4 (34:26):
At the fence. Did he get it? He did not?
It's cone home run. Vladimir Carrero Junior head. It's seven
to Blue Jays.

Speaker 5 (34:35):
In the fam.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
That's our TIRERAQT Play of the day, Okay. Coming up
next on The Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 9 (34:43):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon, Pacific's.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. On a Thursday, we
got don't call it throwback Thursday, coming up at the
top of the hour. Be sure check out O a
brand new YouTube channel. Just search Doug Gottlieb Show on
YouTube again that's Doug Gottlieb Show. Be sure to hit
the subscribe button. Don't just stop there, hit the thumbs
up icon and comment away. Let me know if you
agree with my takes, if you absolutely hate them. Check
out a brand new YouTube channel again that's Doug Gottlieb Show,

(35:13):
and subscribe. Let's get to a game with Dan Buyer.

Speaker 9 (35:19):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.

Speaker 5 (35:25):
Doug, the game today is.

Speaker 4 (35:31):
I feel a draft?

Speaker 6 (35:32):
Can I call it audible? I did put an NFL the
one down here? Teams you still have hope for in
the NFL, But there are just a lot of bad
teams in the NFL that I don't know if we're
gonna have any hope for. How about whatever happened to
you in college football? Old college football programs that's no
longer or maybe what they once were.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
Who was it who didn't like the supporting news? Is
that probably Jase two right? I think Jase two Pike crap.
Dolliver's point is they used to have a guy named
the Fly, and the Fly used to write a really
abbreviated kind of editorial and it would have these little flyisms,
and it used to say, didn't you used to be? Right, like,
didn't you used to be Virginia Tech? And all of

(36:17):
us that remember Virginia Tech football when they dominate on
special teams, Enter sand Man, that place was. It was
on Thursday nights, the Big East Football. Now it's a
shell of its former self. So now you say, didn't
you used to be Virginia Tech? That's what you're talking about,
right Dan?

Speaker 6 (36:31):
Yeah, yes, And I'm guessing that would be your pick
if you were the first overall pick, but you weren't.

Speaker 5 (36:36):
Sam. Is Doug your second, I'm third, Jason's fourth.

Speaker 6 (36:40):
All right, Yeah, that's exactly what I'm talking about, Doug and.

Speaker 7 (36:44):
Doug you might be able to save that one for
your second pick, But with the first overall pick, I'm
gonna go with wake Forest. Remember when Riley Skinner at
quarterback and Jim Grobe took the acc by storm one
year and they won the league.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
That's not what he means. Okay, but I'm good.

Speaker 4 (37:01):
I'm saying, like you know, they've never been back to
that point.

Speaker 5 (37:03):
I think that year we were like, what happened to
that program?

Speaker 3 (37:06):
Didn't she used to be Wake Forest?

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Yes, and the like yeah, I'm going I'm I'm I'm
actually I'm going with Didn't.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
She used to be Florida State?

Speaker 5 (37:15):
Okay? All right?

Speaker 3 (37:16):
Did she used to be Floria State?

Speaker 1 (37:17):
Like you get the big win and then lose to
Virginia Like, okay, but now you look very pedestrian again again,
didn't she used to be Floria's shape fourteen fourteen years
in a row.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
Yeah, by bounding fourteen years in row, we've beensed in
the top four and nasal in national rankings. That's two.
Who you have your pick one or two?

Speaker 4 (37:35):
Actually, hey, guys, who whatever happened to the b yu
they're currently ranked.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
They're actually undefeated.

Speaker 4 (37:43):
Whatever happened to them? Though? I see no Heisman Trophy
winners and I saw three of them in the eighties,
So back at you.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
Well, they didn't get there, They didn't get rid of
the they didn't get rid of their first Jewish quarterback
for having sex when he got cat fished in by
a Utah Utah guy.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
All right, you got one more?

Speaker 6 (38:04):
Well, yeah, I was to go third, and then Jason
was fourth. All right, that's okay. I was gonna say quick,
Boston Quick, I was gonna say Boston College.

Speaker 5 (38:13):
Sure, Doug Flutie days and that's game time.

Speaker 4 (38:17):
Wait about my pick. We don't We were at a
time I had a better one than last week.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
We can talk about the top of the hour, or
we can talk about texting Jason, or we could talk
about don't call it a throwback Thursday. It's next to
the Doug Alli pio fot Sports for you.
Advertise With Us

Host

Doug Gottlieb

Doug Gottlieb

Popular Podcasts

CrimeLess: Hillbilly Heist

CrimeLess: Hillbilly Heist

It’s 1996 in rural North Carolina, and an oddball crew makes history when they pull off America’s third largest cash heist. But it’s all downhill from there. Join host Johnny Knoxville as he unspools a wild and woolly tale about a group of regular ‘ol folks who risked it all for a chance at a better life. CrimeLess: Hillbilly Heist answers the question: what would you do with 17.3 million dollars? The answer includes diamond rings, mansions, velvet Elvis paintings, plus a run for the border, murder-for-hire-plots, and FBI busts.

Crime Junkie

Crime Junkie

Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.

Stuff You Should Know

Stuff You Should Know

If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.

Music, radio and podcasts, all free. Listen online or download the iHeart App.

Connect

© 2025 iHeartMedia, Inc.