October 17, 2025 • 43 mins
On a Friday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug talks about the Bengals upsetting the Steelers on Thursday night and how Aaron Rodgers showed us all of Aaron Rodgers during the game.
Trying to find a reason why the Dodgers are up 3 games to none in the NLCS.
Doug welcomes former Bucs' general manager Mark Dominik to the show to talk about the Bengals, Aaron Rodgers and all of the headlines around the NFL.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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here on a Friday, a football Friday, nonetheless, and we
are so happy to have you. Dan Byer alongside, he
got my Bland, Sam Kinsel alongside. Of course, you have
the one and only Jason Stewart alongside. At some point
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we're going to get into Jason's desire to have some
radio shows stop making predictions because they're sure to go wrong.
We'll get into that. We got a great show for you,
including we'll have a discussion on Kirk Signetti and the
eleven point eight million dollars per year that he's gonna
received from Indiana that was announced yesterday during our show.
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So we got a lot to get to. I want
to start with last night's Thursday night football game, if
that's okay. I'm not trying to diminish the Dodgers victory
over the Brewers, but it just shit, hasn't been a
competitive series. But I have something on that for you,
and it really does play into my Clayton Kershaw take
from last week. You're like recycling takes like no, I like,
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here's what I like. I like congruent takes, Like congruent takes.
Does that make sense to you guys like Danny? Does
that make sense? A congruent tape meaning a take in
one thing has to fit a take in the other.
I it frustrates me when some guys will make one take,
you know, like hey, you got to hire an offensive mind,
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and then two weeks later they're like, why'd you hire
an offensive coordinator to be your kid? Hire a head
coach doesn't about his background. I like congruente if you
have a take, and again, you're allowed to change your
mind as well. It's one of the things we try
and do try to keep it real for you, is
sometimes we go like, hey, you know, I look at
this now a week later, six weeks later, a month later,
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six months later, and I have a different perception of
it now than I did then. I do like congruent takes,
and my take on Clayton Kershaw is much like my
take on the Milwaukee Brewers. We'll get to that later
in the show, but let's start with this. I have
been the most staunched defender of Aaron Rodgers I think
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on network radio. And I'm also fair and honest in
that I thought what he did when he when he
never took the COVID vaccine and he blatantly lied about it,
I crushed him for it. It wasn't because of his stance.
It was because he was completely disingenuous about it, and
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then when he got called then he made it about
the media, not about himself, when all you had to
say was like, yeah, I lied, my bad, Let's move on.
But if we if we pointed out the things about
Aaron Rodgers, positively and negatively that have been said for years,
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I could make the case and I will hear that
last night was a perfect example of how so many
things that are said about Aaron Rodgers are incredibly accurate,
incredibly accurate. He is I think, the most talented guy
who's ever done it and won at a high level.
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He is still very athletic for a forty year old quarterback,
and yeah, I'm okay with and I don't know if
you guys are I'm okay with touching with He's forty, Like,
I don't expect it to be Lamar Jackson, nor was
he ever Lamar Jackson. But in and out of the pocket.
To have that level of accuracy, he's amazing. To have
that kind of arm strength, to have that ability to
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read a defense, to have that sort of leadership sort
of swag where you have to have confidence sometimes ordinary arrogance.
He has it, okay. But all of the theatrics that
we wanted to say were at the end of his
run in Green Bay. And maybe it was about this,
and maybe it was about that, and maybe it's about
he didn't want to beat there. They've all been on display,
and they were all on display last night. The bad
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body language, the calling out teammates. Heck his offensive tackle
when they had that sort of miracle touchdown to take
the lead. Was it thirty one thirty late in the
game when they had that, you know, one of his
linemen and he celebrated, he's doing little Aaron Rodgers Hop
kind of kind of tackled him, tried to give him
a bear hug. Then he wakes up when he jumps up,
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and he was almost like, why am I forgetting? What's
the sideline guy for the for Fox? That does h
He does the sideline for Fox Baseball, And he gave
Ken Rose like the Ken Rosenthal stare down. That's what
he did to his lineman. So the talent is it's
not what it used to be, but still there. The
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accuracy is still there. The snapping of passes the laser
and finding guys and throwing it to windows and still
moving it out of the pocket. It's a fourty year
old version. It's not what it used to be, but
it's still You can see that guy is an unbelievable quarterback,
but he's still a blamer. His finger still points out
never in. He doesn't seem to be enjoying himself or
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just kind of at peace and at ease, which is okay,
Like I understand that, Like I'm a crazy competitor too,
But I'm telling you what everyone says about him is, yeah,
he's really talented, but he's really a well, like a
pair that's a desert cactus animal, only lee right, he
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can be that p word. He just is. And I
look I get it, like, guys let you down, Guys
run the wrong routes, guys will quit on routes. You're frustrated.
But none of the other star quarterbacks seem to have
the type of persona that he has, and that's always
distinguished him. Last night, he led them on a game
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leading touchdown drive that should not be under sold. Right.
He did not get the ball back. He did not
have time to go down. I mean, I think they
had seven seconds left in the last kick kick off.
That's not enough time. He did throw a hail mary
that was sixty five yards in the air. He's still
the best to throw in the hail mary. He still
has complete command and control of the huddle. He still
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has enough of it for them to win big. But
I just I walked away from that game with a
lot of thoughts. But I think the number one thought
is the good and the bad, the spectacle and the
disappointing the leadership, but also the rough around the edges.
That's just hard to love when a teammate lets you down.
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I walked away last night saying everything we've ever said
that's ever been said about Aaron Rodgers is true. Probably
the most talented guy to ever play the position right
when you factor in intelligence, accuracy, arm strength, athleticism, success, Like,
he just crazy, crazy talented, but it's not all perfect.
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And when things don't go his way, he can really
really make people feel small, and that's not always your
job when you're quarterback. Bayer, you've been the opposite, right
you are You've never been an Aaron Rodgers guy. You've
never been a Packers guy. On the other hand, I think.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
All that is actually incorrect. It's two of the extreme.
So it's not that I've I'm not a Packers fan,
but I can't say I'm anti Packers. And I wasn't
always anti Aaron Rodgers. I just thought that he gets
a lot of the benefit of doubt as of late.
But I think I can appreciate his greatness.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Oh he is, uh, he is phenomenal. But am I
being unfair with my critique of him? And again, I
understand that this is watching from TV, this is watching
from thirty thousand feet, But that's how everybody else ingests
their Aaron Rodgers, right. We don't get to go to
the meetings, We aren't in the sideline conversations. So there's
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a way in which you have to you have to
give teammates feedback, and I just he just has that
way where it's hard. And I'm sure Flacco Flacco probably
lets guys have it. Flacco has probably had times in
which he's not the nicest, warmest, gentlest guy to be around.
But for whatever reason, there's something about Rogers that just
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makes you think, God, that guy gotta be miserable when
you make a mistake. And when he makes a mistake,
it just doesn't feel like hey, or he takes the
blame for other people. I just that's just not who
he appears to be. And again, I'm not telling you
it's all bad, right, he's if you, if you wrote
down a list of what it takes to be a
great quarterback in this or the previous era, he checks
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every box. But God, the body language, God, some of
the some of the way in which when he doesn't
like something, how it comes off, when he doesn't like
a play, or when he just he just has this
way about him to be like, well, that's got to be.
That's gotta be touch to be around.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
The throng of the tablet in Carolina, I think is
years back when he was a member of the Packers
that there's it's funny because I think that this happens
to quarterbacks over time. I don't remember Dan Marino younger
in his career and growing up in being that guy.
But boy, at the end of his career, it seemed
like he was yelling at everybody and it was it
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was a a fiery Dan Marino. But maybe you get
that way because you've been around the game so long.
I give him the benefit of the doubt, but I
don't think Rogers should have been tackled. I actually thought
it was a dumb play by his lineman.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
I understand, no question, but there's so it was like
it was a it was a crazy play right, like
it's a crossing route, and then the Bengals look like
the Bengals, right, they'd like tackle each other and all
of a sudden, because anybody who'd be critical of it
did feel like they let him score. That's how comical
the defense was there from the Bengals. You're like, wait,
there's like two minutes two and a half minutes to go.
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There are they letting them to score? This is so weird.
It was the Keystone Cops or the Benny Hill Benny
Hill theme music, right or whatever the modern day version
of those are. That's what it was. And he's, you know,
he's chumping up in the air and he's doing the
the Aaron Rodgers hop, which is I mean, listen, it's
a signature move, and you know, you got a big,
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three hundred whatever pound lineman. The dude just kind of
bear hugs him and tackles him, and then I'm sure
he's like, my bad, but he still stared right through him.
And it wasn't the only time. There were other times
in the game where you just he's looking at people.
You're like, dude, and they're depleted, they don't have all
the wide receivers that they need to have or whatever.
But you're going against the Bengals, who are they're crushed
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by injuries too. I just all the Aaron Rodgers stuff
was on display last night. A weird interception where he
threw it in a triple coverage what was that?
Speaker 2 (11:27):
He's done that before? Did it in a playoff game
against stole the forty nine ers. Yeah, that throw is
not foreign to Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
No, that's what I'm saying. I'm saying everything the full
Aaron Rodgers experience. He even had the Hail Mary. Granted
it wasn't completed or whatever, but the full Aaron Rodgers
experience was on display last night. I also want to
point this out, I am not a prone to hyperbole guy.
In my lifetime, in our lifetime, Dan, in our lifetime,
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Jason Stewart. There are very few arguments you can make
that everyone agrees with. Right. Like my son and I
we're having dinner last night and he goes, Dad, I
don't know, Lebron might be the goat, and I'm like, look, dude,
I just tell you I don't think that, But you're
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allowed to have that opinion, right, Like, it's not a
crazy opinion to say a guy that's been this good
for that. Like, there's lots of debates in my lifetime.
The best outside linebacker, the best pass rusher we've ever seen,
regardless of Strayhand's great year or other people's success, is
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Lawrence Taylor. Right in safeties, there's Ronnie Lott ned Reed Quarterbacks,
great discussion because it was Montana for a long time,
and then a lot of people said Peyton even when
Peyton retired, but Brady just kept winning, so then it
became Brady. And my argument with Brady was always well,
he's the most successful ever. I'm not sure he's the
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best ever. There's lots of debates out there. There's never
been a debate about a wide receiver because everyone's always said, hey,
t O is unbelievable, but he's not Jerry Rice like
you go through. I'm call me crazy, but Jamar Chase
is so much better than others at his position, and
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there's a lot of talent at his now he look,
he dropped one that hit him in one hand. There's
he's not the He's not gonna catch every ball, but
I think he had what sixteen receptions something crazy last night.
I I'm beginning to be able to make the case
that Jamar Chase is the best I've ever seen to it.
And I you know, he's on the Bengals, So that's
going to give people pause. They've been to one Super Bowl.
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Who knows the Bengals ever get to another another. But
I I dan you the fantasy football You do a
fantasy football podcast, right, Is there anybody in the stratosphere
of Jamar Chase in opinion?
Speaker 2 (14:01):
No, not at the wide receiver position, not for fantasy purposes.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
And we haven't we haven't had that, Like, there's always
been a guy who we could say maybe is the
best in the game, but there's always been a couple
that are right there, especially now because teams throw it
so much in high school, throw it so much in college,
there's there's a dearth of really good wide receivers. He
he has separated himself from everybody else so much so
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that I think the T. Higgins touchdown was Jamar Chase.
Like literally three guys running Jamar Chase and T Higgins
is like there's no safety over the top on a
skinny post and he walks in for the touchdown, Like,
what was that? It's amazing. So those are my two
takeaways from last night. Here's Zach Taylor, head coach of
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the victorious surprisingly victorious Cincinnati Bengals, talking about Flacco's performance
and how special Jamar Chase is.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Outstanding. Outstanding, outstanding, Yeah, Joe, I mean it was outstanding. Really,
We're I mean, how many drive we scored on what
like six of the last seven drives, maybe seven and
last eight seven of eight? Okay, So and really early
on we had some some drops and some quirky stuff
happened that prevented a score there. So just thought his
performance outstanding, very very calm, collected. Let us in a
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two minute drive to go win the game with a
huge go ball to t get. There's guys a chance
to go make some plays and impressed this performance. I
thought our offensive line played outstanding. He comes up so
big in those moments, and he's so hard to bring down,
so it's not even the catches. Sometimes it's the yards
after the catch. So every time he gets the ball
in my hands, it energizes the whole stadium because everybody
thinks he's about to score. And just to I thought,
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all those guys stepped up you asked, got Jamar and
a franchise record. Sixteen catches in a game of this
magnitude is spectacular.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Yeah, it was. It was something. We got some Mike
Tomlin to get to. We got some we got some
Joe Flacco to get to. We got to react to it.
We'll talk about it as goes on, but it was.
That was a fun football game. And the in the
if you were stacking in order what you expected to
be the best watches last night, my expectation was Thursday
night football is generally the hardest watch. It's generally kind
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of clunky, and it was generally the probably the third
most exciting thought. I thought the Blue Jays were two.
I thought the Dodgers brewers. I just it wasn't a
other than visually or if you're a Dodger fan. I
thought that was three. And that was backwards of what
my assumption was in terms of watchability last night. Give
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Speaker 5 (17:34):
I'm sorry, what was that?
Speaker 1 (17:36):
The Jay stew method? Like, there's actually he's got a
whole science to how he makes his picks people, and
it's pretty amazing the success, right right, you want to
share your your the whole thinking and the logic and
the math to it.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
Yeah. Two minutes before the segment, I open Vegas Insider
dot com and I picked the two games that start
the Friday schedule.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
And no, I mean the other system. I meant the
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Speaker 5 (18:00):
I'm clear it up? What do you need you?
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Fade cowherd oh so uh.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
Colin Cowhard every week says he has a favorite pick.
So even though though he does his boising five, he
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six and I have increased my dollar amount every week
with each with each bet. So he has said out
loud that his favorite game of the week is Monday Night.
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Loves the Lions. Loves the Lions on Monday Night.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
There you go. That's the that's called the j Stew method.
That's called the J Stew method. Let's get let's get
into last night's baseball game where but one of the
two the Dodgers took a commanding three games to none lead,
and it's it's it's a very it's an interesting experience,
honestly to have somebody like Jason as my producer because
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he's really invested and he I think you handled it
the right way. Like Jason always like, Hey, I'm gonna
accuse myself from a lot of these sports conversations because
I'm just I don't follow it. I'm not I'm not
that into it, you know, Or I'm not that into
the sports stuff. I'm into the storylines more than anything else, right, Okay,
But Dodgers, on the other hand, I don't want to
see you watch every pitch, but it feels like you
watch every pitch and you have been telling us before
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the trade deadline, you're disappointment after the trade deadline about
the bullpen, and yet the starters have just been incredible
in this series. Right, So I'm gonna make a congruent
argument as to why the Dodgers are so much better
than the Brewers when the Brewers were the best team
in the National League, in the really best team in
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baseball in the regular season. Okay, congruent arguments. What's what?
You know? What's it's the old what's good for the
goose is good for the gander right in life? It's
what's an argument for against Clayton Kershaw is an argument
against the Brewers? What that mean? So again, Jason, I
only look at the numbers, and the numbers are solid
like mid three's ERA. Obviously, win loss record we don't
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care as much about. But still, you know, you look
at Clayton Kershaw and I think he's got like three
point three six ERA in the regular season. He was
eleven and two in the regular season. He was a
kid considering where he is in his career, his last
year pitching in Major League Baseball through a historic future
first Ballot Hall of Fame career, to have this sort
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of last year was a pleasant surprise. Is that a
fair argument, Sure, yep, okay. So he's pitched once and
it was in the last series and he survived the
seventh inning after getting hit really hard. Then they threw
him out there in the eighth inning in a two
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run game and it just got away from him and
he couldn't get anybody out. And it was you go
on social media, you listen to talk shows, and people
are like, man, it's sad to watch a guy who's
an all time great get shelled like that shelled. It
wasn't you know. It was basically he had to get lucky,
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and he had They had to hit the ball hard
to wherever his fielders were. Otherwise he was not getting
out of that any There was nothing. There was no
swinging missus. It felt like the entirety. And when people say, well,
how could you be such a really solid regular season
pitcher and not people get to be out in the postseason.
My argument was my same argument about the Brewers. What
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we love about baseball or playoff baseball is that it's
the level of intensity in the playoffs. The importance of
every pitch, every sacrifice, every substitution, every every pinch hit,
everything is magnified. The intensity for a game. That for
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a sport that has one hundred and sixty two games,
where you win some, you lose some. And you know,
even the team that has the best record in baseball
one two thirds of their games lost more than a
third of their games, right, I mean that's baseball, right, Like,
you can have the best record in the sport and
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you still lose a third of your games. It's incredible.
Obviously that changes in the postseason, right, changing the postseason.
That's the same for the Brewers, because the Brewers, you know,
they can patch it together, they can use openers not starters,
they can put runners on, they play great defense. All
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these little things help you. But when you get to
the postseason, you just can't get away with being above average,
playing so far above your skis. Now, look, it would
be fair to say, and I have this joke with
my friends that I'm convinced Key k Hernandez doesn't actually
play baseball. He only pops up occasionally for the Dodgers
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in the playoffs where he's this star, and otherwise he's
like a completely nondescript player. So some of it is
that guys like keyk and there are others they're they're
surrounded by all of these stars, so they get better
pitches to hit and they've been able to take advantage
of them. And that's why the Key k Hernandez is
of the world. Uh, that's why the Tasco Taasco or
Nandas of the world. That's why they become kind of
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household names even though they're not the stars of the Dodgers.
They get better pitches to hit than the show hee Atani,
the Max Muncie, the you know, all all the stars Dodger.
But but the basics of the argument, and you guys
can feel free to pick holes in it is there's
no greater representation for how much harder, how much better,
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how much higher level of intensity the playoffs are than
how much better the Dodgers are than the Brewers in
this series as opposed to the regular season, where the
Brewers were the best team in baseball. It's a different sport.
It's a different sport. They can't compete and they were
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awesome in the regular season. I'm not taking shots of
the Brewers. I'm just telling you it's like kind of
a virtual all star team. And now when the best
of the best get a chance to elevate themselves and
every pitch is magnified. Now your true talent comes out,
and they just have too much talent. Okay, Dan Buyer
pick holes in it.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
The only thing that I will say to this is
I just think in baseball that at some point everything
kind of finds its level. What's the theory we say
in one hundred and sixty two game season is that
everybody wins sixty, right, everybody loses sixty and what you
do with the other forty games? That's the season. And
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the Brewers have not been able to hit. But I
also think that at some point the Dodgers were going
to beat the Brewers, something the Dodgers didn't do in
the regular season. And so if Milwaukee's not hitting, Dodgers
are obviously going to have an edge. And at some
point point, guess what, the Dodgers were gonna beat the Brewers,
and this happened to beat them three straight times. I mean,
Milwaukee swept the Dodgers this past regular season. Were they
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gonna just sweep through them in the playoffs because of that?
Probably not Chase two?
Speaker 5 (25:13):
Yeah, Yeah, I think I think that I'm not saying
that your theory isn't interesting. I'm saying that you're trying
to put some kind of a rational theory on something
that just makes no sense. In the fifty years I've
been watching this game to try to make sense of
a team that has been top three and hits runs
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OBP during the season to go completely dark during a
three game series against the team that they went six
to zero against during the season. It doesn't make sense.
That's my bottom mine take. This whole thing doesn't make
any sense.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
I'm not I'm let me, let me help make it
make sense to you. Okay, and again I'm okay. This
is I did this with my son yesterday, like we
were doing. We do this sometimes at dinner. He's like,
I got a hot take, Dad, so and then he
allows me to pick holes in it, you know, to
present the counter argument. So the the series against the
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Dodgers in the regular season for the Brewers is unbelievably
important to Brewers fans, to the Brewers players, to Breweries
front office. The series of the Brewers to the Dodgers
in the regular season means nothing or very very little,
despite the record. If you could call it arrogance, you
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can call it whatever you want. Okay, Now everything matters
every pitch is you know, we're really really bowing up,
really and we see this in a lot of sports
where you get to the playoffs and you're like, wait,
how they win the regular season. It's it's the it's
the give a rip only let's we'll just use the rip.
It's the giver a rip factor. The Dodger can be
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a little arrogant in the regular season because they're gonna
make the playoffs now when they really care, now, when
they're really on point. And again, like the point was
the first two games Mookie didn't hit and show Hey
didn't hit and they're still up two games to done.
Like the Dodgers are gonna throw show Hay as their
fourth starter. That ain't even fair, that's not even right.
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What so again, that's that's that's my That that's that's
my that's that's my belief is you have competitive greatness.
Competitive greatness is can you be great when greatness is
called upon. This is not to diminish the Brewers. They're
an unbelievable team. I just think they're outclassed. I think
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the Dodgers are slightly better.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
Go ahead, Sammy, well this is the you know, the
farthest the bre Brewers have gotten in a while, right,
d him Like they they made it to.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
The seven years they took the Dodgers to the they
went seven games in twenty eighteen in the NCAS.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
So there's what I mean, a couple of guys on
the team that were there, but mostly new faces. I
just think that the Dodgers have been there, done that,
and they've just handled this playoff experience better. And yeah,
I don't know, that's all I can say. I'm a
little disappointed just for the casual I told this you
guys in a text less and I'm a little disappointed
for the casual baseball fan out there for the team
that had the best record in Major League Baseball to
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be down zero to three. It's just it's very underwhelming,
and it's it's disappointing.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
But utterly predictable. Utterly predictable. I don't think they're choking.
I just think the Dodgers are better. I just think
the Dodgers better. I just think it's really that simple,
I really do. And I think, you know, momentum and
having a great record and playing frankly against the division
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that's not as good, like can we can admit that right, Like.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah, but I don't think like like the Brewers, like
you match them up man for man for the Dodgers,
and the Dodgers are going to win. Yes, but yes,
but like Max Munsey has just been great this season
or this series. Played defensively yesterday he gets the bad
luck on the on the home run, But there isn't
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a reason that Christian Yelich shouldn't outperform Max Munsey. And
Yelich yesterday got his first hit since Game three of
their series against the Cubs. So like in that theory,
the Brewers should have someone to be able to at
least step up because Shoheo Tani hasn't been great for
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the Dodgers. Yesterday, you know, has the leadoff triple and
then scores right away against Bets. But I'd say as
a whole that Otani has been extremely underwhelming, and so
for the maximun Sis and the paz is that the
Dodgers have. The Brewers have similar guys that just haven't
done anything at at the plate. But I think that's
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the frustrating thing about it. It hasn't been that the
Brewers have been beaten by the hitting star of the Dodgers.
Now the pitching stars differently, you know. But the Brewer's
strength was pitching when they were the hottest team in
baseball in the middle of the season.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
No, I get it. But the pitching in the regular
season and pitching in the postseason, that's where the Kershaw
parallel is, right, Like, you can get away with stuff
in the regular season, you just can't get away with
mistakes in the postseason.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
You just can't Abnebe. Throwing the ball on a pickoff
play yesterday was a mistake.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Right, Well, that's that's the other thing is they've also
won on great defense, and their defense is broken down
a little.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Bit and not making stupid throws to first base that
cost you a run.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Yeah. Here's here's Mookie Betts channeling his inner Kobe Bryant
when he was asked about the comfortable Seriously, honestly, I
have zero emotions. I mean, we're up, but you know,
like Kobe said, the job's not done, so we got
to keep going and just keep a fine pressure.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
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Speaker 1 (31:04):
It's the Doug Gottlieb show Fox Sports Radio. So yesterday
during the show. Yesterday during the show, we had breaking news.
Dan Byer always breaks in with the news like this
show's I was texting the guys last night. And it's
not just part of it because our show. I just
think we do a really good job. Guys. I don't
think other people cover baseball as well as we do,
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or other stories or breaking news that the conversations we have.
I really like where we're going with things, and you know,
we'll put the brakes on and Dan Buyer breaking with
breaking news. We have breaking news at Kirksinetti, who's the
head coach of Indiana, got an incredible deal, an extension
where it's going to pay him eleven point eight million
dollars on average per year. I'll tell you why it
actually makes sense, even though he's massively, massively overpaid. They're
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all overpaid, right, like lots of CEOs are overpaid. Whatever.
I'll make it make sense to you upcoming a little bit.
But I want to get to Mark Dominick, who's the
former genial manager of the Tampay Buccaneers. He's spending his
entire professional career in the National Football League, and he
joins US now first weekly visit here on a Friday
in the Doug Otlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio, what's
your biggest takeaway from Thursday Night Football where the Bengals
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beat the Steelers at home?
Speaker 7 (32:15):
My biggest takeaway is when you're in the division and
the division rival and you trade a quarterback, you've ruined
the division and you've ruined your franchise. And I think
the Cleveland Browns did an injustice, even though they're trying
to get their own picks in their situation together, you
just don't trade Joe Flacca within the division. And suddenly
now the Bengals have a chance to be back in
this and maybe when Joe Burrow comes back even better plans.
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It shows you how good of an organization talent wise,
the Bengals have over the Cleveland Browns as well.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
You know what, I'm really glad you pointed that out.
I want to get to the Bengals in a second,
because the Bengals get this reputation of being cheap, and
I'm sure there are times in which they have been cheap,
but I kind of think it's unfair with how much
money they've handed out to players. But let's go with
the Browns my life. When they traded him, I think
you'll love this. Mark is for any other team, it's crazy,
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but it's not because it's the Browns. Right, Like the
Browns have done. There was no reason for them to
give Deshaun Watson a five year, no cut guaranteed contract.
There was no reason for them to take two quarterbacks
two rookie quarterbacks this year. There's there's no reason for
a lot of these things except they're the Browns. If
not for organizations that are run that way, we wouldn't
be able to say other organizations were run well because
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that one seems to be run poorly. But this is
like Mike Tomlin was right. And by the way, Jay Stu,
I think you texted us last night, Mike Tomlin was right.
You can't do that. They they made the division way
more competitive than it needed to be by taking it
wasn't anybody their quarterback and handing them to the Bengals
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who were desperately in need of quarterback, and you got
one that's won a Super Bowl and still pretty pretty solid.
Speaker 7 (33:56):
Yeah, especially what we saw last night. And I agree,
it's just to Cleveland Browns continuing to make blunder after blunder,
and it's it's easy to pile on, right. We can
all sit there and you know, I made mistakes too
when I was a general manager. But the reality is
got to learn from them, and it doesn't feel like
the Cleveland Brown's front office is learning from mistakes they've made,
and then they continue to spin it out of control.
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And it just when Joe Flacco goes to another organization
and lights up the Pittsburgh Steelers defense, which is a
good defense, not as to the same level as maybe
some of the other previous Dealers defenses, obviously we know,
but he goes and lights it up, it shows you
that there's something really wrong. And it's not the offensive
line in Cleveland. That's actually probably their strengths specifically inside.
So I just think that it just speaks badly about
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the overall structure of where the Cleveland Browns sit today
and just the decisions they've made. And you've got to
give credit to the Bengals and taken advantage of the
situation and not being afraid to pick up the call
and make this trade.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Did you ever did you ever used to read the
Sporting News? Remember those Sporting News three. Do you remember
the fly? The little column that the Fly and the
Fly used to have the line that says, didn't you
used to be right? And it was when you were
no longer what you know? It's like you watched the
Bengals last night and they're they're performing well despite the
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and protecting a quarterback that we didn't think they could protect.
Didn't you used to be the Sincena Begls? I would say,
didn't she used to be the Pittsburgh Steelers? He had
all day to throw. They couldn't stop the run. It's
not like the Bengals have some vaunted rushing game. Couldn't
stop the run and couldn't stop the pass. Didn't she
used to be the Pittsburgh Steelers? What happened to their defense?
Speaker 7 (35:32):
I think it's the secondary. It's something that's home that
I think the Steelers since the beginning, right, they can
never quite get the cornerbacks in there that can be
consistent at the high level. Yes, they've tried to make
some move to be able to improve that, obviously, but
still I think it's just that secondary continues to try
to find itself, and I think when they traded away
Mike A Fitspatrick Again, I think that hurt them. But
at the same point, this has been a problem they've
been dealing with for years. And yeah, they used to
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be the Steelers. I just thought their upfront would be
stronger than it was or it was last night. That's
the one thing I was surprising to me is I
thought they'd get after the quarterback more and in more sacks,
more opportunities like that, but they didn't do it. So yeah,
I agree, the Steelers are just always good and that's
a frustrating thing, even though you would take it if
you were the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
It is the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Trader.
That's Mark Dominic, He's he's our guest. Okay, what do
you do when you're the Jets and you got a
first year quarter first year head coach, and you know,
you start to hear Aaron Rodgers' story and you're like,
it might actually make sense when you look at how
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he's handling things. It's not going well in New York.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Now.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Look, I don't think you can win with Justin Fields anyway.
But it's not about winning or losing with Justin Fields.
It's about It's like he's trying to be Dan Campbell.
He's not Dan Campbell, and he just is missing. What
do you do if you're the Jets, Well, I.
Speaker 7 (36:52):
Mean, I think you're just worried. I think if I'm
coach Bla or if I'm the gentlemanager there, I'm telling
coach going, Look, we realize the season going to be harsh.
I understand you've got to create your culture and continue
to stay by it no matter what. So as we
get more and more young guys into the building, they're
understanding the expectations of what we're trying to build here,
understanding that twenty twenty five isn't going to be that year.
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And I know that you want to win right away.
But I would give him the confidence say hey, look
we're going to go through this together. We're going to
make this work, and not scare him out of like
not being who he wants to be and just worried
about the next victory. Because I do think with the Jets,
they're going to be in a position to take a quarterback,
and I think they will this is off season, and
I think that's going to be a big meat move
for them. Because I still think Aaron Glenn as a
leader is a good one, and I just know that
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the Jets just as a roster is not a good one.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
What has Drake made done to evolve the last couple
of weeks.
Speaker 7 (37:47):
I think he made great decisions right with the football.
I think that's the thing. The processing seems to go
very well for Drake may. I think he's doing a
great job of getting back and knowing where he's supposed
to go with the ball and getting out of his
hands as quickly as you can to not there and
then force their turnover. And so I think that's the
thing with Drake Madison. The most impressive is that I
think his processing has really sped up and that's created
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a guy that's you know again, here's a guy that's outperforming.
I think the talent around him, which is a great
deal for a quarterback and should make for a very
fun offseason for the New England Patriots to continue to
add weapons for him.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
You know, I was I was thinking the other day,
I was interesting to think about you and some of
our discussions. Smart Domini's our guest, he's joined us for years,
is awesome. Former gentlem Managery Tampay Buccaneers, and sometimes we
get off on roads and anybody can look at Darnold
and Baker and go like they were both on the
same team with the Carolina Panthers, and the Panthers wanted
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to keep in neither of them. How has this happened?
But how has this happened? And you know, to me
so much of it's about confidence. You know, both of
those guys at their first spot, everybody lost confidence to them.
They lost confidence in themselves, didn't have a great surrounding
cast or whatever. As a guy who's been through it, now,
Arnold looks like he's he's a legit. I don't know,
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top fifteen quarterback right Probably not what he's build coming
out of SC but solid. Nobody's calling in to question
the contract he got. Right now, Baker is in conversation
to be MVP of the league, and I get that.
You know, some of it was him and playing hurt
and you know, the dysfunctional Browns organization and OBJ and
that's why he's not there anymore. But Carolina had him both.
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How does this happen? How do you go from two
guys get cut become two stars in the same position
in the same league. A couple years later.
Speaker 7 (39:34):
Well, I truly think because both those guys all come
from McVeigh shann trees at part of their career in
terms of Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield, that that's the
difference because those those systems help the quarterback learn how
to move. Why are we doing the play, why are
we getting the ball out quickly? Here's the design, here's
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what we're going to check to. They're just want I mean,
we see guys in and out coming out of those
systems being reductive, and they both had time to be
in that system. The problem with Carolina is they're still
just trying to figure out, you know obviously with the
number one pick and what happened there, but it's a
different type of system they've been going through. And I
if I've got a young if I was an agent,
or if I was a young quarterback in the Nation
Football League, if there's any way I could spend a
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year or two, even if it's a number three in
San Francisco or the Rams, I want to be there
or Minnesota. Quite frankly, because O'Connell's bringing that same mindset
to his organization as well. I just think it's the
right place to be. We'll see what happened with JJ McCarthy.
I don't think it's it's not been what I expected
it to be, But I still think there's a lot
of upside there too, because of his character and his demeanor.
But I think that's the reason why I think Baker
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Mayfield they regained their confidence in the system. That went
back to why were they such high picks in the
first place?
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Great point. Okay, JJ McCarthy, what what are your thoughts
so far?
Speaker 7 (40:48):
I've been very disappointed. I mean, I feel like, you know,
he's played one good quarter, maybe two, and I really
thought we'd see a guy that would take a big
step this year, you know, and you got to remind
yourself that really this is his rookie, see because of
what happened last year. But I want to feel like
each week we need to start building. If we continue
his flat line, that's a very big concern because I
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know mentally he can handle it, and no characteristically he
can lead. So now it's just can he processing Can
he make the good decisions? He's not been doing that,
and so now we've just got to wait to see.
I still believe, so I'm not going to write J.
J mcrossey out by any chance. If I'm a Vikings fan, yeah,
I'm a little disappointed, but not be frustrated yet, because
you've got to realize he's got six games, five games
under his belt and his NFL career. That's not enough
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to go on yet.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Mark Domink's our guest here on the Doug Gatlig Show
on Fox Sports Radio. What's changed with the Knstate Chiefs
that's allowed them to semily turn around their season.
Speaker 7 (41:43):
Well, it feels like they're tackling very well. I think
their cornerbacks are playing well, like Jalen Watson's a guy
that's in his fourth year that has really come back
this year and played well like he is in a
contract year, which he is. I think that's been a
big part of it, just that having him out there
in the way he's performing takes some pressure off. And
then offensively to keep getting little pieces back offensively that
they need to have in terms of weapons, and I
think that that's been important. And I think the tackles
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have probably I mean, the interior guys are playing very well,
but the tackles have played a little better and they've
been trying to help them out a little bit more so.
I think they're being very smart about the protection for Patrick,
and then Patrick's back to looking like Patrick Mahomes from
you know, last two years ago, three years ago, whatever
it was. He's just he's threatened the ball. And it's
not because of Travis Kelcey. It's it's because he's you know,
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spreading the ball all around to everybody. And I think
that's the big difference.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
Mark Eagles Eagles. It just seems combustible. They don't seem
as good as they were. Aj Brown, you know two
games ago, they tried to force it to him. His
attitude's not great. You know, Jalen Hurts does have some limitations.
You know, he does everything except for really throw the
football crazy. Well, what's your perspective in the likelihood that
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they turn this thing around.
Speaker 7 (42:57):
I think they can turn it around. I think the
offensive line playing very well. I think they just need
to feed the ball to saque even more than they
are and whether that's in the passing game and short throws,
but it's time to just pound it with Saquon and
see what a game looks like with twenty six carries
and six catches. And I know that's a lot to
ask for any running back, but I think that's they
got to get back to the grassroots of why they
got to the Super Bowl and won it last year,
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and that was on the back of Saquon Barkley. It
wasn't Jalen Hurts throwing the ball over the field. And
the other part is that they're just not getting to
the quarterback in terms of sacks or pressure. They've got
to get Jalen Carter on the field and healthy, and
if they can get to that point, those two pieces,
to me, Saquon Barkley and Jalen Carter are really the
keys of them getting back on track.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Mark, Look, it should be a great football weekend. Love
talking ball with you, especially after last night. I got
me jacked. I did not expect that to be a
good game, and then it was. It was a fun,
great atmosphere, good football game. Disappointing end for the Steelers,
but still fun. Thanks so much for being our guests.
Enjoy the weekend. We'll talk to you next week.
Speaker 7 (43:55):
Thanks for having me on again.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
He's the best
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here on a Friday, a football Friday, nonetheless, and we
are so happy to have you. Dan Byer alongside, he
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we're going to get into Jason's desire to have some
radio shows stop making predictions because they're sure to go wrong.
We'll get into that. We got a great show for you,
including we'll have a discussion on Kirk Signetti and the
eleven point eight million dollars per year that he's gonna
received from Indiana that was announced yesterday during our show.
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So we got a lot to get to. I want
to start with last night's Thursday night football game, if
that's okay. I'm not trying to diminish the Dodgers victory
over the Brewers, but it just shit, hasn't been a
competitive series. But I have something on that for you,
and it really does play into my Clayton Kershaw take
from last week. You're like recycling takes like no, I like,
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here's what I like. I like congruent takes, Like congruent takes.
Does that make sense to you guys like Danny? Does
that make sense? A congruent tape meaning a take in
one thing has to fit a take in the other.
I it frustrates me when some guys will make one take,
you know, like hey, you got to hire an offensive mind,
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and then two weeks later they're like, why'd you hire
an offensive coordinator to be your kid? Hire a head
coach doesn't about his background. I like congruente if you
have a take, and again, you're allowed to change your
mind as well. It's one of the things we try
and do try to keep it real for you, is
sometimes we go like, hey, you know, I look at
this now a week later, six weeks later, a month later,
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six months later, and I have a different perception of
it now than I did then. I do like congruent takes,
and my take on Clayton Kershaw is much like my
take on the Milwaukee Brewers. We'll get to that later
in the show, but let's start with this. I have
been the most staunched defender of Aaron Rodgers I think
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on network radio. And I'm also fair and honest in
that I thought what he did when he when he
never took the COVID vaccine and he blatantly lied about it,
I crushed him for it. It wasn't because of his stance.
It was because he was completely disingenuous about it, and
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then when he got called then he made it about
the media, not about himself, when all you had to
say was like, yeah, I lied, my bad, Let's move on.
But if we if we pointed out the things about
Aaron Rodgers, positively and negatively that have been said for years,
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I could make the case and I will hear that
last night was a perfect example of how so many
things that are said about Aaron Rodgers are incredibly accurate,
incredibly accurate. He is I think, the most talented guy
who's ever done it and won at a high level.
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He is still very athletic for a forty year old quarterback,
and yeah, I'm okay with and I don't know if
you guys are I'm okay with touching with He's forty, Like,
I don't expect it to be Lamar Jackson, nor was
he ever Lamar Jackson. But in and out of the pocket.
To have that level of accuracy, he's amazing. To have
that kind of arm strength, to have that ability to
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read a defense, to have that sort of leadership sort
of swag where you have to have confidence sometimes ordinary arrogance.
He has it, okay. But all of the theatrics that
we wanted to say were at the end of his
run in Green Bay. And maybe it was about this,
and maybe it was about that, and maybe it's about
he didn't want to beat there. They've all been on display,
and they were all on display last night. The bad
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body language, the calling out teammates. Heck his offensive tackle
when they had that sort of miracle touchdown to take
the lead. Was it thirty one thirty late in the
game when they had that, you know, one of his
linemen and he celebrated, he's doing little Aaron Rodgers Hop
kind of kind of tackled him, tried to give him
a bear hug. Then he wakes up when he jumps up,
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and he was almost like, why am I forgetting? What's
the sideline guy for the for Fox? That does h
He does the sideline for Fox Baseball, And he gave
Ken Rose like the Ken Rosenthal stare down. That's what
he did to his lineman. So the talent is it's
not what it used to be, but still there. The
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accuracy is still there. The snapping of passes the laser
and finding guys and throwing it to windows and still
moving it out of the pocket. It's a fourty year
old version. It's not what it used to be, but
it's still You can see that guy is an unbelievable quarterback,
but he's still a blamer. His finger still points out
never in. He doesn't seem to be enjoying himself or
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just kind of at peace and at ease, which is okay,
Like I understand that, Like I'm a crazy competitor too,
But I'm telling you what everyone says about him is, yeah,
he's really talented, but he's really a well, like a
pair that's a desert cactus animal, only lee right, he
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can be that p word. He just is. And I
look I get it, like, guys let you down, Guys
run the wrong routes, guys will quit on routes. You're frustrated.
But none of the other star quarterbacks seem to have
the type of persona that he has, and that's always
distinguished him. Last night, he led them on a game
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leading touchdown drive that should not be under sold. Right.
He did not get the ball back. He did not
have time to go down. I mean, I think they
had seven seconds left in the last kick kick off.
That's not enough time. He did throw a hail mary
that was sixty five yards in the air. He's still
the best to throw in the hail mary. He still
has complete command and control of the huddle. He still
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has enough of it for them to win big. But
I just I walked away from that game with a
lot of thoughts. But I think the number one thought
is the good and the bad, the spectacle and the
disappointing the leadership, but also the rough around the edges.
That's just hard to love when a teammate lets you down.
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I walked away last night saying everything we've ever said
that's ever been said about Aaron Rodgers is true. Probably
the most talented guy to ever play the position right
when you factor in intelligence, accuracy, arm strength, athleticism, success, Like,
he just crazy, crazy talented, but it's not all perfect.
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And when things don't go his way, he can really
really make people feel small, and that's not always your
job when you're quarterback. Bayer, you've been the opposite, right
you are You've never been an Aaron Rodgers guy. You've
never been a Packers guy. On the other hand, I think.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
All that is actually incorrect. It's two of the extreme.
So it's not that I've I'm not a Packers fan,
but I can't say I'm anti Packers. And I wasn't
always anti Aaron Rodgers. I just thought that he gets
a lot of the benefit of doubt as of late.
But I think I can appreciate his greatness.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Oh he is, uh, he is phenomenal. But am I
being unfair with my critique of him? And again, I
understand that this is watching from TV, this is watching
from thirty thousand feet, But that's how everybody else ingests
their Aaron Rodgers, right. We don't get to go to
the meetings, We aren't in the sideline conversations. So there's
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a way in which you have to you have to
give teammates feedback, and I just he just has that
way where it's hard. And I'm sure Flacco Flacco probably
lets guys have it. Flacco has probably had times in
which he's not the nicest, warmest, gentlest guy to be around.
But for whatever reason, there's something about Rogers that just
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makes you think, God, that guy gotta be miserable when
you make a mistake. And when he makes a mistake,
it just doesn't feel like hey, or he takes the
blame for other people. I just that's just not who
he appears to be. And again, I'm not telling you
it's all bad, right, he's if you, if you wrote
down a list of what it takes to be a
great quarterback in this or the previous era, he checks
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every box. But God, the body language, God, some of
the some of the way in which when he doesn't
like something, how it comes off, when he doesn't like
a play, or when he just he just has this
way about him to be like, well, that's got to be.
That's gotta be touch to be around.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
The throng of the tablet in Carolina, I think is
years back when he was a member of the Packers
that there's it's funny because I think that this happens
to quarterbacks over time. I don't remember Dan Marino younger
in his career and growing up in being that guy.
But boy, at the end of his career, it seemed
like he was yelling at everybody and it was it
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was a a fiery Dan Marino. But maybe you get
that way because you've been around the game so long.
I give him the benefit of the doubt, but I
don't think Rogers should have been tackled. I actually thought
it was a dumb play by his lineman.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
I understand, no question, but there's so it was like
it was a it was a crazy play right, like
it's a crossing route, and then the Bengals look like
the Bengals, right, they'd like tackle each other and all
of a sudden, because anybody who'd be critical of it
did feel like they let him score. That's how comical
the defense was there from the Bengals. You're like, wait,
there's like two minutes two and a half minutes to go.
(10:34):
There are they letting them to score? This is so weird.
It was the Keystone Cops or the Benny Hill Benny
Hill theme music, right or whatever the modern day version
of those are. That's what it was. And he's, you know,
he's chumping up in the air and he's doing the
the Aaron Rodgers hop, which is I mean, listen, it's
a signature move, and you know, you got a big,
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three hundred whatever pound lineman. The dude just kind of
bear hugs him and tackles him, and then I'm sure
he's like, my bad, but he still stared right through him.
And it wasn't the only time. There were other times
in the game where you just he's looking at people.
You're like, dude, and they're depleted, they don't have all
the wide receivers that they need to have or whatever.
But you're going against the Bengals, who are they're crushed
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by injuries too. I just all the Aaron Rodgers stuff
was on display last night. A weird interception where he
threw it in a triple coverage what was that?
Speaker 2 (11:27):
He's done that before? Did it in a playoff game
against stole the forty nine ers. Yeah, that throw is
not foreign to Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
No, that's what I'm saying. I'm saying everything the full
Aaron Rodgers experience. He even had the Hail Mary. Granted
it wasn't completed or whatever, but the full Aaron Rodgers
experience was on display last night. I also want to
point this out, I am not a prone to hyperbole guy.
In my lifetime, in our lifetime, Dan, in our lifetime,
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Jason Stewart. There are very few arguments you can make
that everyone agrees with. Right. Like my son and I
we're having dinner last night and he goes, Dad, I
don't know, Lebron might be the goat, and I'm like, look, dude,
I just tell you I don't think that, But you're
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allowed to have that opinion, right, Like, it's not a
crazy opinion to say a guy that's been this good
for that. Like, there's lots of debates in my lifetime.
The best outside linebacker, the best pass rusher we've ever seen,
regardless of Strayhand's great year or other people's success, is
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Lawrence Taylor. Right in safeties, there's Ronnie Lott ned Reed Quarterbacks,
great discussion because it was Montana for a long time,
and then a lot of people said Peyton even when
Peyton retired, but Brady just kept winning, so then it
became Brady. And my argument with Brady was always well,
he's the most successful ever. I'm not sure he's the
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best ever. There's lots of debates out there. There's never
been a debate about a wide receiver because everyone's always said, hey,
t O is unbelievable, but he's not Jerry Rice like
you go through. I'm call me crazy, but Jamar Chase
is so much better than others at his position, and
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there's a lot of talent at his now he look,
he dropped one that hit him in one hand. There's
he's not the He's not gonna catch every ball, but
I think he had what sixteen receptions something crazy last night.
I I'm beginning to be able to make the case
that Jamar Chase is the best I've ever seen to it.
And I you know, he's on the Bengals, So that's
going to give people pause. They've been to one Super Bowl.
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Who knows the Bengals ever get to another another. But
I I dan you the fantasy football You do a
fantasy football podcast, right, Is there anybody in the stratosphere
of Jamar Chase in opinion?
Speaker 2 (14:01):
No, not at the wide receiver position, not for fantasy purposes.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
And we haven't we haven't had that, Like, there's always
been a guy who we could say maybe is the
best in the game, but there's always been a couple
that are right there, especially now because teams throw it
so much in high school, throw it so much in college,
there's there's a dearth of really good wide receivers. He
he has separated himself from everybody else so much so
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that I think the T. Higgins touchdown was Jamar Chase.
Like literally three guys running Jamar Chase and T Higgins
is like there's no safety over the top on a
skinny post and he walks in for the touchdown, Like,
what was that? It's amazing. So those are my two
takeaways from last night. Here's Zach Taylor, head coach of
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the victorious surprisingly victorious Cincinnati Bengals, talking about Flacco's performance
and how special Jamar Chase is.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Outstanding. Outstanding, outstanding, Yeah, Joe, I mean it was outstanding. Really,
We're I mean, how many drive we scored on what
like six of the last seven drives, maybe seven and
last eight seven of eight? Okay, So and really early
on we had some some drops and some quirky stuff
happened that prevented a score there. So just thought his
performance outstanding, very very calm, collected. Let us in a
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two minute drive to go win the game with a
huge go ball to t get. There's guys a chance
to go make some plays and impressed this performance. I
thought our offensive line played outstanding. He comes up so
big in those moments, and he's so hard to bring down,
so it's not even the catches. Sometimes it's the yards
after the catch. So every time he gets the ball
in my hands, it energizes the whole stadium because everybody
thinks he's about to score. And just to I thought,
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all those guys stepped up you asked, got Jamar and
a franchise record. Sixteen catches in a game of this
magnitude is spectacular.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Yeah, it was. It was something. We got some Mike
Tomlin to get to. We got some we got some
Joe Flacco to get to. We got to react to it.
We'll talk about it as goes on, but it was.
That was a fun football game. And the in the
if you were stacking in order what you expected to
be the best watches last night, my expectation was Thursday
night football is generally the hardest watch. It's generally kind
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of clunky, and it was generally the probably the third
most exciting thought. I thought the Blue Jays were two.
I thought the Dodgers brewers. I just it wasn't a
other than visually or if you're a Dodger fan. I
thought that was three. And that was backwards of what
my assumption was in terms of watchability last night. Give
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(17:14):
We got Jared Smith, who's actually a professional sports gambler.
Professional sports gambler. We are pure amateurs. We just want
to give you one pick for the weekend. And by
the way, we've done pretty well with our picks. The
Jaysdew method continues to crush it, crush it, Jase, do
you want to share what the Jaystuwe method is?
Speaker 5 (17:34):
I'm sorry, what was that?
Speaker 1 (17:36):
The Jay stew method? Like, there's actually he's got a
whole science to how he makes his picks people, and
it's pretty amazing the success, right right, you want to
share your your the whole thinking and the logic and
the math to it.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
Yeah. Two minutes before the segment, I open Vegas Insider
dot com and I picked the two games that start
the Friday schedule.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
And no, I mean the other system. I meant the
other system. Match. I meant the other system you have.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
I'm clear it up? What do you need you?
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Fade cowherd oh so uh.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
Colin Cowhard every week says he has a favorite pick.
So even though though he does his boising five, he
typically says he's got a favorite pick. He's zero and
six and I have increased my dollar amount every week
with each with each bet. So he has said out
loud that his favorite game of the week is Monday Night.
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Loves the Lions. Loves the Lions on Monday Night.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
There you go. That's the that's called the j Stew method.
That's called the J Stew method. Let's get let's get
into last night's baseball game where but one of the
two the Dodgers took a commanding three games to none lead,
and it's it's it's a very it's an interesting experience,
honestly to have somebody like Jason as my producer because
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he's really invested and he I think you handled it
the right way. Like Jason always like, Hey, I'm gonna
accuse myself from a lot of these sports conversations because
I'm just I don't follow it. I'm not I'm not
that into it, you know, Or I'm not that into
the sports stuff. I'm into the storylines more than anything else, right, Okay,
But Dodgers, on the other hand, I don't want to
see you watch every pitch, but it feels like you
watch every pitch and you have been telling us before
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the trade deadline, you're disappointment after the trade deadline about
the bullpen, and yet the starters have just been incredible
in this series. Right, So I'm gonna make a congruent
argument as to why the Dodgers are so much better
than the Brewers when the Brewers were the best team
in the National League, in the really best team in
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baseball in the regular season. Okay, congruent arguments. What's what?
You know? What's it's the old what's good for the
goose is good for the gander right in life? It's
what's an argument for against Clayton Kershaw is an argument
against the Brewers? What that mean? So again, Jason, I
only look at the numbers, and the numbers are solid
like mid three's ERA. Obviously, win loss record we don't
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care as much about. But still, you know, you look
at Clayton Kershaw and I think he's got like three
point three six ERA in the regular season. He was
eleven and two in the regular season. He was a
kid considering where he is in his career, his last
year pitching in Major League Baseball through a historic future
first Ballot Hall of Fame career, to have this sort
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of last year was a pleasant surprise. Is that a
fair argument, Sure, yep, okay. So he's pitched once and
it was in the last series and he survived the
seventh inning after getting hit really hard. Then they threw
him out there in the eighth inning in a two
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run game and it just got away from him and
he couldn't get anybody out. And it was you go
on social media, you listen to talk shows, and people
are like, man, it's sad to watch a guy who's
an all time great get shelled like that shelled. It
wasn't you know. It was basically he had to get lucky,
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and he had They had to hit the ball hard
to wherever his fielders were. Otherwise he was not getting
out of that any There was nothing. There was no
swinging missus. It felt like the entirety. And when people say, well,
how could you be such a really solid regular season
pitcher and not people get to be out in the postseason.
My argument was my same argument about the Brewers. What
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we love about baseball or playoff baseball is that it's
the level of intensity in the playoffs. The importance of
every pitch, every sacrifice, every substitution, every every pinch hit,
everything is magnified. The intensity for a game. That for
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a sport that has one hundred and sixty two games,
where you win some, you lose some. And you know,
even the team that has the best record in baseball
one two thirds of their games lost more than a
third of their games, right, I mean that's baseball, right, Like,
you can have the best record in the sport and
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you still lose a third of your games. It's incredible.
Obviously that changes in the postseason, right, changing the postseason.
That's the same for the Brewers, because the Brewers, you know,
they can patch it together, they can use openers not starters,
they can put runners on, they play great defense. All
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these little things help you. But when you get to
the postseason, you just can't get away with being above average,
playing so far above your skis. Now, look, it would
be fair to say, and I have this joke with
my friends that I'm convinced Key k Hernandez doesn't actually
play baseball. He only pops up occasionally for the Dodgers
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in the playoffs where he's this star, and otherwise he's
like a completely nondescript player. So some of it is
that guys like keyk and there are others they're they're
surrounded by all of these stars, so they get better
pitches to hit and they've been able to take advantage
of them. And that's why the Key k Hernandez is
of the world. Uh, that's why the Tasco Taasco or
Nandas of the world. That's why they become kind of
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household names even though they're not the stars of the Dodgers.
They get better pitches to hit than the show hee Atani,
the Max Muncie, the you know, all all the stars Dodger.
But but the basics of the argument, and you guys
can feel free to pick holes in it is there's
no greater representation for how much harder, how much better,
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how much higher level of intensity the playoffs are than
how much better the Dodgers are than the Brewers in
this series as opposed to the regular season, where the
Brewers were the best team in baseball. It's a different sport.
It's a different sport. They can't compete and they were
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awesome in the regular season. I'm not taking shots of
the Brewers. I'm just telling you it's like kind of
a virtual all star team. And now when the best
of the best get a chance to elevate themselves and
every pitch is magnified. Now your true talent comes out,
and they just have too much talent. Okay, Dan Buyer
pick holes in it.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
The only thing that I will say to this is
I just think in baseball that at some point everything
kind of finds its level. What's the theory we say
in one hundred and sixty two game season is that
everybody wins sixty, right, everybody loses sixty and what you
do with the other forty games? That's the season. And
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the Brewers have not been able to hit. But I
also think that at some point the Dodgers were going
to beat the Brewers, something the Dodgers didn't do in
the regular season. And so if Milwaukee's not hitting, Dodgers
are obviously going to have an edge. And at some
point point, guess what, the Dodgers were gonna beat the Brewers,
and this happened to beat them three straight times. I mean,
Milwaukee swept the Dodgers this past regular season. Were they
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gonna just sweep through them in the playoffs because of that?
Probably not Chase two?
Speaker 5 (25:13):
Yeah, Yeah, I think I think that I'm not saying
that your theory isn't interesting. I'm saying that you're trying
to put some kind of a rational theory on something
that just makes no sense. In the fifty years I've
been watching this game to try to make sense of
a team that has been top three and hits runs
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OBP during the season to go completely dark during a
three game series against the team that they went six
to zero against during the season. It doesn't make sense.
That's my bottom mine take. This whole thing doesn't make
any sense.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
I'm not I'm let me, let me help make it
make sense to you. Okay, and again I'm okay. This
is I did this with my son yesterday, like we
were doing. We do this sometimes at dinner. He's like,
I got a hot take, Dad, so and then he
allows me to pick holes in it, you know, to
present the counter argument. So the the series against the
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Dodgers in the regular season for the Brewers is unbelievably
important to Brewers fans, to the Brewers players, to Breweries
front office. The series of the Brewers to the Dodgers
in the regular season means nothing or very very little,
despite the record. If you could call it arrogance, you
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can call it whatever you want. Okay, Now everything matters
every pitch is you know, we're really really bowing up,
really and we see this in a lot of sports
where you get to the playoffs and you're like, wait,
how they win the regular season. It's it's the it's
the give a rip only let's we'll just use the rip.
It's the giver a rip factor. The Dodger can be
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a little arrogant in the regular season because they're gonna
make the playoffs now when they really care, now, when
they're really on point. And again, like the point was
the first two games Mookie didn't hit and show Hey
didn't hit and they're still up two games to done.
Like the Dodgers are gonna throw show Hay as their
fourth starter. That ain't even fair, that's not even right.
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What so again, that's that's that's my That that's that's
my that's that's my belief is you have competitive greatness.
Competitive greatness is can you be great when greatness is
called upon. This is not to diminish the Brewers. They're
an unbelievable team. I just think they're outclassed. I think
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the Dodgers are slightly better.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
Go ahead, Sammy, well this is the you know, the
farthest the bre Brewers have gotten in a while, right,
d him Like they they made it to.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
The seven years they took the Dodgers to the they
went seven games in twenty eighteen in the NCAS.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
So there's what I mean, a couple of guys on
the team that were there, but mostly new faces. I
just think that the Dodgers have been there, done that,
and they've just handled this playoff experience better. And yeah,
I don't know, that's all I can say. I'm a
little disappointed just for the casual I told this you
guys in a text less and I'm a little disappointed
for the casual baseball fan out there for the team
that had the best record in Major League Baseball to
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be down zero to three. It's just it's very underwhelming,
and it's it's disappointing.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
But utterly predictable. Utterly predictable. I don't think they're choking.
I just think the Dodgers are better. I just think
the Dodgers better. I just think it's really that simple,
I really do. And I think, you know, momentum and
having a great record and playing frankly against the division
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that's not as good, like can we can admit that right, Like.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah, but I don't think like like the Brewers, like
you match them up man for man for the Dodgers,
and the Dodgers are going to win. Yes, but yes,
but like Max Munsey has just been great this season
or this series. Played defensively yesterday he gets the bad
luck on the on the home run, But there isn't
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a reason that Christian Yelich shouldn't outperform Max Munsey. And
Yelich yesterday got his first hit since Game three of
their series against the Cubs. So like in that theory,
the Brewers should have someone to be able to at
least step up because Shoheo Tani hasn't been great for
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the Dodgers. Yesterday, you know, has the leadoff triple and
then scores right away against Bets. But I'd say as
a whole that Otani has been extremely underwhelming, and so
for the maximun Sis and the paz is that the
Dodgers have. The Brewers have similar guys that just haven't
done anything at at the plate. But I think that's
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the frustrating thing about it. It hasn't been that the
Brewers have been beaten by the hitting star of the Dodgers.
Now the pitching stars differently, you know. But the Brewer's
strength was pitching when they were the hottest team in
baseball in the middle of the season.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
No, I get it. But the pitching in the regular
season and pitching in the postseason, that's where the Kershaw
parallel is, right, Like, you can get away with stuff
in the regular season, you just can't get away with
mistakes in the postseason.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
You just can't Abnebe. Throwing the ball on a pickoff
play yesterday was a mistake.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Right, Well, that's that's the other thing is they've also
won on great defense, and their defense is broken down
a little.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Bit and not making stupid throws to first base that
cost you a run.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Yeah. Here's here's Mookie Betts channeling his inner Kobe Bryant
when he was asked about the comfortable Seriously, honestly, I
have zero emotions. I mean, we're up, but you know,
like Kobe said, the job's not done, so we got
to keep going and just keep a fine pressure.
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It's the Doug Gottlieb show Fox Sports Radio. So yesterday
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Dan Byer always breaks in with the news like this
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think other people cover baseball as well as we do,
(31:26):
or other stories or breaking news that the conversations we have.
I really like where we're going with things, and you know,
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where it's going to pay him eleven point eight million
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actually makes sense, even though he's massively, massively overpaid. They're
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all overpaid, right, like lots of CEOs are overpaid. Whatever.
I'll make it make sense to you upcoming a little bit.
But I want to get to Mark Dominick, who's the
former genial manager of the Tampay Buccaneers. He's spending his
entire professional career in the National Football League, and he
joins US now first weekly visit here on a Friday
in the Doug Otlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio, what's
your biggest takeaway from Thursday Night Football where the Bengals
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beat the Steelers at home?
Speaker 7 (32:15):
My biggest takeaway is when you're in the division and
the division rival and you trade a quarterback, you've ruined
the division and you've ruined your franchise. And I think
the Cleveland Browns did an injustice, even though they're trying
to get their own picks in their situation together, you
just don't trade Joe Flacca within the division. And suddenly
now the Bengals have a chance to be back in
this and maybe when Joe Burrow comes back even better plans.
(32:35):
It shows you how good of an organization talent wise,
the Bengals have over the Cleveland Browns as well.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
You know what, I'm really glad you pointed that out.
I want to get to the Bengals in a second,
because the Bengals get this reputation of being cheap, and
I'm sure there are times in which they have been cheap,
but I kind of think it's unfair with how much
money they've handed out to players. But let's go with
the Browns my life. When they traded him, I think
you'll love this. Mark is for any other team, it's crazy,
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but it's not because it's the Browns. Right, Like the
Browns have done. There was no reason for them to
give Deshaun Watson a five year, no cut guaranteed contract.
There was no reason for them to take two quarterbacks
two rookie quarterbacks this year. There's there's no reason for
a lot of these things except they're the Browns. If
not for organizations that are run that way, we wouldn't
be able to say other organizations were run well because
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that one seems to be run poorly. But this is
like Mike Tomlin was right. And by the way, Jay Stu,
I think you texted us last night, Mike Tomlin was right.
You can't do that. They they made the division way
more competitive than it needed to be by taking it
wasn't anybody their quarterback and handing them to the Bengals
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who were desperately in need of quarterback, and you got
one that's won a Super Bowl and still pretty pretty solid.
Speaker 7 (33:56):
Yeah, especially what we saw last night. And I agree,
it's just to Cleveland Browns continuing to make blunder after blunder,
and it's it's easy to pile on, right. We can
all sit there and you know, I made mistakes too
when I was a general manager. But the reality is
got to learn from them, and it doesn't feel like
the Cleveland Brown's front office is learning from mistakes they've made,
and then they continue to spin it out of control.
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And it just when Joe Flacco goes to another organization
and lights up the Pittsburgh Steelers defense, which is a
good defense, not as to the same level as maybe
some of the other previous Dealers defenses, obviously we know,
but he goes and lights it up, it shows you
that there's something really wrong. And it's not the offensive
line in Cleveland. That's actually probably their strengths specifically inside.
So I just think that it just speaks badly about
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the overall structure of where the Cleveland Browns sit today
and just the decisions they've made. And you've got to
give credit to the Bengals and taken advantage of the
situation and not being afraid to pick up the call
and make this trade.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Did you ever did you ever used to read the
Sporting News? Remember those Sporting News three. Do you remember
the fly? The little column that the Fly and the
Fly used to have the line that says, didn't you
used to be right? And it was when you were
no longer what you know? It's like you watched the
Bengals last night and they're they're performing well despite the
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and protecting a quarterback that we didn't think they could protect.
Didn't you used to be the Sincena Begls? I would say,
didn't she used to be the Pittsburgh Steelers? He had
all day to throw. They couldn't stop the run. It's
not like the Bengals have some vaunted rushing game. Couldn't
stop the run and couldn't stop the pass. Didn't she
used to be the Pittsburgh Steelers? What happened to their defense?
Speaker 7 (35:32):
I think it's the secondary. It's something that's home that
I think the Steelers since the beginning, right, they can
never quite get the cornerbacks in there that can be
consistent at the high level. Yes, they've tried to make
some move to be able to improve that, obviously, but
still I think it's just that secondary continues to try
to find itself, and I think when they traded away
Mike A Fitspatrick Again, I think that hurt them. But
at the same point, this has been a problem they've
been dealing with for years. And yeah, they used to
(35:54):
be the Steelers. I just thought their upfront would be
stronger than it was or it was last night. That's
the one thing I was surprising to me is I
thought they'd get after the quarterback more and in more sacks,
more opportunities like that, but they didn't do it. So yeah,
I agree, the Steelers are just always good and that's
a frustrating thing, even though you would take it if
you were the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
It is the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Trader.
That's Mark Dominic, He's he's our guest. Okay, what do
you do when you're the Jets and you got a
first year quarter first year head coach, and you know,
you start to hear Aaron Rodgers' story and you're like,
it might actually make sense when you look at how
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he's handling things. It's not going well in New York.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Now.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Look, I don't think you can win with Justin Fields anyway.
But it's not about winning or losing with Justin Fields.
It's about It's like he's trying to be Dan Campbell.
He's not Dan Campbell, and he just is missing. What
do you do if you're the Jets, Well, I.
Speaker 7 (36:52):
Mean, I think you're just worried. I think if I'm
coach Bla or if I'm the gentlemanager there, I'm telling
coach going, Look, we realize the season going to be harsh.
I understand you've got to create your culture and continue
to stay by it no matter what. So as we
get more and more young guys into the building, they're
understanding the expectations of what we're trying to build here,
understanding that twenty twenty five isn't going to be that year.
(37:15):
And I know that you want to win right away.
But I would give him the confidence say hey, look
we're going to go through this together. We're going to
make this work, and not scare him out of like
not being who he wants to be and just worried
about the next victory. Because I do think with the Jets,
they're going to be in a position to take a quarterback,
and I think they will this is off season, and
I think that's going to be a big meat move
for them. Because I still think Aaron Glenn as a
leader is a good one, and I just know that
(37:36):
the Jets just as a roster is not a good one.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
What has Drake made done to evolve the last couple
of weeks.
Speaker 7 (37:47):
I think he made great decisions right with the football.
I think that's the thing. The processing seems to go
very well for Drake may. I think he's doing a
great job of getting back and knowing where he's supposed
to go with the ball and getting out of his
hands as quickly as you can to not there and
then force their turnover. And so I think that's the
thing with Drake Madison. The most impressive is that I
think his processing has really sped up and that's created
(38:07):
a guy that's you know again, here's a guy that's outperforming.
I think the talent around him, which is a great
deal for a quarterback and should make for a very
fun offseason for the New England Patriots to continue to
add weapons for him.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
You know, I was I was thinking the other day,
I was interesting to think about you and some of
our discussions. Smart Domini's our guest, he's joined us for years,
is awesome. Former gentlem Managery Tampay Buccaneers, and sometimes we
get off on roads and anybody can look at Darnold
and Baker and go like they were both on the
same team with the Carolina Panthers, and the Panthers wanted
(38:41):
to keep in neither of them. How has this happened?
But how has this happened? And you know, to me
so much of it's about confidence. You know, both of
those guys at their first spot, everybody lost confidence to them.
They lost confidence in themselves, didn't have a great surrounding
cast or whatever. As a guy who's been through it, now,
Arnold looks like he's he's a legit. I don't know,
(39:03):
top fifteen quarterback right Probably not what he's build coming
out of SC but solid. Nobody's calling in to question
the contract he got. Right now, Baker is in conversation
to be MVP of the league, and I get that.
You know, some of it was him and playing hurt
and you know, the dysfunctional Browns organization and OBJ and
that's why he's not there anymore. But Carolina had him both.
(39:26):
How does this happen? How do you go from two
guys get cut become two stars in the same position
in the same league. A couple years later.
Speaker 7 (39:34):
Well, I truly think because both those guys all come
from McVeigh shann trees at part of their career in
terms of Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield, that that's the
difference because those those systems help the quarterback learn how
to move. Why are we doing the play, why are
we getting the ball out quickly? Here's the design, here's
(39:54):
what we're going to check to. They're just want I mean,
we see guys in and out coming out of those
systems being reductive, and they both had time to be
in that system. The problem with Carolina is they're still
just trying to figure out, you know obviously with the
number one pick and what happened there, but it's a
different type of system they've been going through. And I
if I've got a young if I was an agent,
or if I was a young quarterback in the Nation
Football League, if there's any way I could spend a
(40:16):
year or two, even if it's a number three in
San Francisco or the Rams, I want to be there
or Minnesota. Quite frankly, because O'Connell's bringing that same mindset
to his organization as well. I just think it's the
right place to be. We'll see what happened with JJ McCarthy.
I don't think it's it's not been what I expected
it to be, But I still think there's a lot
of upside there too, because of his character and his demeanor.
But I think that's the reason why I think Baker
(40:38):
Mayfield they regained their confidence in the system. That went
back to why were they such high picks in the
first place?
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Great point. Okay, JJ McCarthy, what what are your thoughts
so far?
Speaker 7 (40:48):
I've been very disappointed. I mean, I feel like, you know,
he's played one good quarter, maybe two, and I really
thought we'd see a guy that would take a big
step this year, you know, and you got to remind
yourself that really this is his rookie, see because of
what happened last year. But I want to feel like
each week we need to start building. If we continue
his flat line, that's a very big concern because I
(41:09):
know mentally he can handle it, and no characteristically he
can lead. So now it's just can he processing Can
he make the good decisions? He's not been doing that,
and so now we've just got to wait to see.
I still believe, so I'm not going to write J.
J mcrossey out by any chance. If I'm a Vikings fan, yeah,
I'm a little disappointed, but not be frustrated yet, because
you've got to realize he's got six games, five games
under his belt and his NFL career. That's not enough
(41:30):
to go on yet.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Mark Domink's our guest here on the Doug Gatlig Show
on Fox Sports Radio. What's changed with the Knstate Chiefs
that's allowed them to semily turn around their season.
Speaker 7 (41:43):
Well, it feels like they're tackling very well. I think
their cornerbacks are playing well, like Jalen Watson's a guy
that's in his fourth year that has really come back
this year and played well like he is in a
contract year, which he is. I think that's been a
big part of it, just that having him out there
in the way he's performing takes some pressure off. And
then offensively to keep getting little pieces back offensively that
they need to have in terms of weapons, and I
think that that's been important. And I think the tackles
(42:05):
have probably I mean, the interior guys are playing very well,
but the tackles have played a little better and they've
been trying to help them out a little bit more so.
I think they're being very smart about the protection for Patrick,
and then Patrick's back to looking like Patrick Mahomes from
you know, last two years ago, three years ago, whatever
it was. He's just he's threatened the ball. And it's
not because of Travis Kelcey. It's it's because he's you know,
(42:26):
spreading the ball all around to everybody. And I think
that's the big difference.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
Mark Eagles Eagles. It just seems combustible. They don't seem
as good as they were. Aj Brown, you know two
games ago, they tried to force it to him. His
attitude's not great. You know, Jalen Hurts does have some limitations.
You know, he does everything except for really throw the
football crazy. Well, what's your perspective in the likelihood that
(42:55):
they turn this thing around.
Speaker 7 (42:57):
I think they can turn it around. I think the
offensive line playing very well. I think they just need
to feed the ball to saque even more than they
are and whether that's in the passing game and short throws,
but it's time to just pound it with Saquon and
see what a game looks like with twenty six carries
and six catches. And I know that's a lot to
ask for any running back, but I think that's they
got to get back to the grassroots of why they
got to the Super Bowl and won it last year,
(43:19):
and that was on the back of Saquon Barkley. It
wasn't Jalen Hurts throwing the ball over the field. And
the other part is that they're just not getting to
the quarterback in terms of sacks or pressure. They've got
to get Jalen Carter on the field and healthy, and
if they can get to that point, those two pieces,
to me, Saquon Barkley and Jalen Carter are really the
keys of them getting back on track.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Mark, Look, it should be a great football weekend. Love
talking ball with you, especially after last night. I got
me jacked. I did not expect that to be a
good game, and then it was. It was a fun,
great atmosphere, good football game. Disappointing end for the Steelers,
but still fun. Thanks so much for being our guests.
Enjoy the weekend. We'll talk to you next week.
Speaker 7 (43:55):
Thanks for having me on again.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
He's the best
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