How the NFL Caught up to Dak & Joe Thomas

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Huh uh, all right, we got a lot to get to.
Jimmy Butler is a member of the Philadelphia seventies sixers.
That seemed to happen really fast. Um, and why one
end of the deal you the team that you feel
like gets the better end of the deal, somehow doesn't
usually get the better end of the deal. We'll get
to that upcoming. Um. Also, things that we freaked out

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about to start the season in the NFL we apparently
shouldn't have been freaking out about, which is what I
told you at the time. It's this is the I
Told You So portion of the show will get to
Joe Thomas, all pro offensive lineman now retired Cleveland Browns,
gives us his take. I want to get his take
on the Saints offensive line, which is performing as well as,
if not better than anyone in the league, and what

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he saw from Baker Mayfield and the Cleveland Browns and
their dominant performance yesterday against the Atlanta Falcons. Trent Delford
join us, Michael Lombardi will join us, Chris Mannets will
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have we have the entirety of the sports landscape to
cover for you. I just got back from calling my
first game play by play ever ever, and I did
an NFL on radio. My thanks to the people at

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Compass Media Networks and Brian Baldinger. They were gentle with me.
Um and I I you you learned so much in
watching and THENFL game in person, and you learned so
much in preparing for those games and talking to NFL people.
You just do. And so I'm just fascinated at really

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the Cowboys win last night, because I don't think I
saw it coming, and maybe the the foreshadowing that I
had for people in the off season of what the
Philadelphia Eagles season would look like came to fruition. I
think that's fair, So I don't want to cast dispersions

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on Dak Prescott. He was good last night twenty six
thirty six, two seventy yards, one touchdown, own receptions. Zekiellett
was phenomenal last night. You know, nineteen carries a hundred
fifty one yards, best player on the field. Plus he
had six catches. Thought Dac showed the ability in the
play calling, showed the ability to spray the ball around.
Gallup had a couple of catches, Dalton Scholtz at a

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couple of catches, Cold Beasley had four catches. Omari Cooper
had six catches. Alan Hearns had a couple of catches.
And this was this was generally the Cowboys game plan
coming into the season. If you remember Ryan Music and
John Ramos and Dan buy are good to catch up
with all of you guys. We went to Cowboys camp
and their whole thing was like, look, we may not

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have a number one, but we got a bunch of
you know, one bees and two a's, and we're gonna
spread the ball around to a bunch of guys instead
of locking in on Dez Bryant. And and last night
was probably the first time it played out as such.
And keeping in mind they haven't had Jason Witten, who

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they thought they were going to have, you know, part
of the plan was to still have Jason Witten even
if he couldn't run, he can always catch and you
could always get open. So best late plans of mysonmen
often go awry, and the Cowboys a struggled. They didn't
expect to not have Travis Frederick either. But I in
watching the Saints in person, watching them warm up, watching
their tape, watching their game, Saints stint punt yesterday, and

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the Saints defensive backfield is not great. I mean, they're
basically covering the fact that Eli Apple, who the Cowboys
couldn't wait to see me, who the Giants couldn't wait
to get rid of rid of. It's actually better than
what they had working on that side of the field previously.
And they're always having to shadow him with a with
the safety anyway, like their defensive backfield air linebackers or

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you know, uh, they're they're okay, you know, but there
their defensive backs are okay, that's the weakness to the team.
They're the number one rush defense in football, but past defense,
which is what everybody does. So how are they the
hottest team in football? Watch yesterday? They got the ball,

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They had the ball for eight and a half minutes.
They sprinkle it in because they can run it, they
can pass it. They just find mismatches. They generally don't
hit you on many explosive plays. They only really had
one pass play over twenty yards in terms of the
ball travel in more than twenty hours down the field yesterday,
and yet they completely and utterly eviscerated the Bengals. Now,

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you can tell me that the Bengals are awful defensively.
That's why they fired Tarrell Austin, their defensive coordinator. Earlier today,
it would be a fair argument, Hey, good offense comes
in lights up bad defense, they get rid of defensive coordinator.
But the Saints are only marginally better defensively than they
were during Drew brees Is down years. The league has

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come around to Drew Brees style to the Saints style.
The only thing missing from the Saints team is they
don't get the turnovers that they got during the Super
Bowl winning year. But this is an offensive game. And
so when I look at Doc and I see like,
this is this is the good? The good Doc is
two seventy yards mostly sprinkling it around in and around

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the line of scrimmage. He's a viable weapon, not just
to throw it, but also to run it. Occasionally I
look around and I'm like, look, I don't think I
think Doc has gotten better. And because everybody gets better
with experience. I called the game yesterday. I wish I
call one today or this upcoming weekend. I would be
so much better the second time than I was the

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first time. You gotta you have to experience it in
order to understand what you gotta do better. But I
also think that the league, they don't just catch up
to a Dak Prescott. I'm just catch up to a
Carson Wentz, So just catch up to you. The league
is also evolved into one of these. If you're not

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an accurate pinpoint passer, if you don't have an offense
that tries to find that mismatch of linebacker on running
back or safety on slot guy, or you're a one
week cornerback getting exposed in man to man coverage. If
you don't have those if you if you can't do that,
you can't win on third down. If you can't win

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on third down, you can't win the league. And so
I'm not telling you that the Cowboys, fresh off of
wind should be sitting there telling themselves that Dak Prescott stinks.
I also didn't agree with the idea of giving Dak
Prescott a contract extension, especially considering he's going to ask for,
maybe even demand to be compensated at the level of

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the top five quarterbacks in the NFL, because that's what
new quarterback contracts always are. But I will tell you
that if you like Dak now you liked him five
months ago, you liked him ten months ago, two seven
yards like you only passed the three yards handful of
times in his entire NFL career. This is who he is.
And while the league has caught up a little bit

(07:43):
to his style, the league has also changed and evolved.
This is no different than basketball. Look, I think Dak
will be fine, and if you can sign him to
a deal which ultimately kind of settles in the middle
of the pack quarterbacks, I think that's reasonable. The problem is,
no one's ever reasonable with their asking price. For a

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new quarterback contract. But this is no different than or
it's slightly different, but there's some similarities there too. Why
Dwight Howard or Karmalo Anthony might get cut by the
Houston Rockets. Now, is Karmelo Anthony a little bit over
the hill? Sure? Does he struggle with accepting a role
where he doesn't touch the ball? Is often? Sure, as

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he struggled defensively and gets caught on bad switches. And
if you're it's really really hard to hide him. Sure,
but some of those things were still problems five years ago.
The differences the league has changed. Where he scores is
in the mid range and the post up, and those
those are ball stopping parts to a game which no
one likes to play anymore. Now, you're either a ball

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screen dominant, ball dominant guard with ball in your hands,
playing downhill, or you're a catching shoot big guy or
a three and D wing and he is none of
these things. In the National Football League at quarterback, Either
you're you're you're a guy who can make adjustments to

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the line of scrimmage and is a super brilliant Mike
supercomputer with a laser accurate arm. Or you're pretty accurate,
you're big, you're mobile, and you've got a huge arm
down field. Dak Prescott's kind of neither of those. He's
more the big thrower, the guy who can take some heat,

(09:27):
the guy he can He's like a mini version of
a Cam Newton, but he doesn't quite have that arm,
doesn't quite have uh he the athletic ability and isn't
quite as big. So part of it is the league
catches up to Dak. Part of it is the league evolves.

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That said, as much turmoil as has been around the
Dallas Cowboys, with a win on the road in Philadelphia,
they're sitting there at four and five, tied with Philly
in a division where because they'll win the damn thing
fresh off a Monday night football loss, and now all
of a sudden, people are going, hey, you know what,
the Titans might not be terrible, might not be terrible.

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that we've learned this football season, don't freak out is
probably the biggest thing. Don't freak out over new rules.
And this has happened in college basketball, not as much
this year, although it will happen this year with some
of these big games. UM people freaking out about Duke.
They win one game against Kentucky, who seemed ill prepared

(12:43):
for that earlier tip. In terms of early in the season,
Ashton Hagen's, their point guard gets into foul trouble and
they it's a bad matchup and they just, uh, it
became a vortex of succitude. Is do demolish Kentucky. And
people have back for Kentucky and John Calipari and the
talent that we're told they have, and so if Duke

(13:04):
can do that to Kentucky, well then they're gonna go.
I'm defeated that they can beat the Calves. I heard
m Jalen Rose said that, and then Jay Williams said that,
and I mean, I listen. I'll never have this argument
with anybody on air because it's not it's not one
which I'm willing to say. I can lose arguments, but

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here's one of there's no there's no losing to my
side of the argument. Duke has three future top draft
picks on their team. They probably have four or five,
maybe six guys who play in the NBA eventually, but
but they are all very young right now. So even

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if they you put them in the NBA to b
eight nineteen year olds as opposed to the Calves, who,
no matter what you think of how bad the Calves are,
they have fifteen NBA players. And if you're disappointed in
Colin Sexton and how good he is as your point guard.
Keep in mind, Colin Sexton was the was one A

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or one B in terms of the best freshman point
guard in the country last year. He's so good he
almost beat in Minnesota when he was at Alabama playing
three on five. Right, So fifteen pros that are mostly
grown men, two three or four pros who are eighteen
nineteen year old year olds, we're not having that discussion

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on this show, but we do because we freak out
over the first thing we've seen. We have no context,
no perspective. It hasn't played out, and people who say
things like that end up usually getting on old to takes,
exposed and looking rather foolish. It doesn't mean that having
a strong opinion isn't a good one, but it's hard
you don't have context. Remember when people were freaking out,

(14:56):
freaking out about the new rules. As far as hitting
a quarterback, you know Miami as a guy who gets
a second like, wow, he tore his knee because he
was trying to avoid landing on the quarterback, or he
just tore his knee standing up non contact. That means
that knee was going to go no matter what. All

(15:16):
the penalties that Clay Matthews had, you know, seven two
weeks in a row between the Packers and as anyone
had this discussion the last month, Nope, I haven't heard
it once. I so so my process. People ask this
whole time I want to do to prepare for your show. Honestly,
I watch a lot of games, Um, I do a

(15:37):
good amount of reading, and then I listened to other
people's sports show that I like, and I go, oh,
there's a topic that. Now it doesn't mean I like
or steal their takes. I got my own way of
kind of looking at things, but I want to know
what everybody I feel like he's talking about the guys
I respect nationally on Fox Sports Radio and occasionally other places.
You know, I haven't heard in the last month. I

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haven't heard any buddy bring up, Oh you that terrible
new rule where you can't land on a player. Do
you know why? As we told you, players will adjust
and the officiating will adjust. Right, It's it's like the
start of a relationship. Starting the relationship, you'd never go
out on shaven, he'd always go out with a belt on.

(16:23):
You're never gonna pick her up in sweats. You're always
gonna be super early. Your car is gonna be clean,
and then eventually you get to like the real representative
of who you are, and you're like, look, I've been
pretty clean, and I've been pretty formal, and how I've
and pretty conservative and how I've approached this whole thing.
Let's kind of go with that. But you kind of
loosen up as the the dating continues. That's what happens

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in sports. Early on, they draw hard and fast lines
because they want to keep the quarterbacks on the field.
We don't want any more Aaron Rodgers. We just don't
um don't want another Aaron Rodgers situation where somebody lands
on him and breaks his collar bone. Don't want another
Tony Romo. We want these quarterback as many quarterbacks to

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stay in the league as possible. To keep him up right.
Can't him below the knee, can't him above the neck,
and he can't land on him. And you know what,
it's worked. It's worked. Tell Tell me the quarterback that's
that's hit and torn up his knee. Tell me the
quarterback that's been out with a concussion. Right, I mean

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the hardest hit was on the Deshaun Watson who who
had a collapse long. I mean that dude is so
tough they end up driving him to a game. But
that was a good, clean, hard hit, not preventable. We
didn't penalize anybody. Aaron Rodgers playing this year? Yep, did
he play last year? No, he got hurt. Russell Wilson.
Why does every Russell Wilson game end up with him

(17:56):
running around trying to lead a come back with the Seahawks.
Sometimes they pull it off, sometimes they don't. I was
watching that last drive in the airport in Chicago last
night and I turned to somebody was like, isn't every
Seattle game in like this? Dan Buyers And they're going, yes,
every Seattle game actually ends like this, every single one.
But Russell Wilson still playing, Jared Gals still playing, Matt

(18:17):
Ryan still plan. I mean, it's Joe Flacco is the
only one who might sit because of a hip. That's it.
Like Jamis Winston got pulled, but he got pulled because
he sucked, not because he got hurt. So they established
rules that would help keep guys healthy at the most
important position. It's worked. And oh yeah, by the way,

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they've dialed it back because guys have dialed back. How
they're getting after the quarterback, and we haven't heard high
nor hair like. The only thing I've heard less of
is remember when the NFL was going to conduct a
study on the air pressure in Football's that no one's
ever heard any results of that by away. It's because

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the Patriots, I probably didn't take any are out of football.
They probably were just playing with lightly inflated footballs, that's it.
And the weather did cause the balls to lose lose inflation,
and that does actually happen. That is a real thing
in sports, and the only logical conclusion because if the NFL, ah, ha,

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we got them, we got the Patriots, they would have
announced it as such, but they didn't. That's the only
thing I've heard less of. That is the only thing
that ranks above the he can't land on a quarterback,
which everyone seemed to complain about in the preseason the
first two weeks of this season, and no one has
spoken of since. Right, Oh, this is football as we

(19:44):
knew it is over. It's over. There's no context too
hand touch. Why don't we put flags on them? Remember that?
Now we're not doing Jack Depp segments. But I saw
Quinn Nelson. You guys see the video Quentnon Nelson as
a pulling guard from the Colts, screaming while he does it.

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And he just road graded a dude from Jacksonville. You
remember then, yeah, yeah, this, and I've I've heard people
of football is under attack lest not just trying to
keep your quarterbacks healthy and trying to keep people's brain healthy.
And then if you want to be a battering ram,
you still have injuries. Cooper Cup sadly towards a c

(20:25):
L in Sunday's game. My guess is that he had
a weakness in the knee going back to the original
injury in Denver. But still you still have injuries. Still stinks.
But the quarterbacks are still playing. And all of that
nonsense about ruining the sport and completely changing the sport.
NFL offenses around an all time high. They wanted that

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quarterbacks are in and not getting hurt. That's one of
the reasons that scoring and and points are up. And
whatever contact you make you can obviously adjust, otherwise there
would be more penalties. I hate to be the guy
who mentions it in ratings are up to It's got
to Dan Buyer. He always spikes our ratings. Find out
what else is going on the World. Clinton Nelson block

(21:09):
was impressive. I actually was watching Jaguars Colts at the
time it was made, and it was impressive. Just hearing
it live and then to hear that Mike upp segment
made it about ten times better. Speaking of ten, Week
ten wraps up tonight with the Giants and forty Niners
eight fifteen Eastern Time from Santa Clara. Now looking ahead
to Week eleven, it's a Rams Chiefs matchup in Mexico City.

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Officials from the league are in the city to check
on the playing service at Steca Stadium following recent concerts
and games. The field is in poor condition, so the league,
according to Peter King of NBC, it's gonna try to
figure out solutions to improve the playing conditions prior to
Monday's contest. Some bad news today for the Rams. Wade
receiver Cooper Cup gonna miss the rest of the season
after Terry his a c l in his lefty and

(21:51):
yesterday's loss against the Seahawks. The Saints have Sun Free's
a wide receiver Brandon Marshall in the NBA. Jimmy Butler
officially a member of the Sixers. He'll make your debut
on Wednesday against the Magic. No Steph Curry Tonight for
the Warriors against the Clippers, but Raymond Green will make
his return from a toe injury. And finally, the New
York Islanders host the Montreal Canadiens at seven o'clock Eastern Time.

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it was coldest day in Cincinnati. I told you guys
that it was like forty degrees maybe thirty nine right

(22:34):
before kickoff, and you're in the you're in the shade
when you're in the press box, but when you're calling
a game, you have the open air, and that's not
really it's not a super cold day. Like if you
live in the Midwest, you're like, oh, thirty nine and sunny.
That's not bad. A little breezy, but not like a crisp,
crisp wind when you come from California's seventy six degrees
today in southin California, when you come from California and

(22:57):
that temperature year thing about a thirty five degree temperature
dry up Ramos. I was so cold. I just I
And I didn't want to mention it to people because
every time you do, they're like, what's wrong with you?
I do remember you saying it was going to be
cold before you left. You did look at the weather
and said, wow, it's gonna be like forty fifties. So
he definitely had the outlook of cold weather. Yes, and
so I but I didn't. I want to feel like

(23:18):
I didn't psych myself out like I brought proper attire.
But man, I'm I'm just whatever you do if you're
if if the job you have is going to bring
you back to the Midwest, I recommend you don't move
uh to the to the West coast or to some
warm climate. Um. Joe Thomas is a seven time All Pro.

(23:40):
I'm sure to be a Hall of Fame offensive of
all the Fame offensive lineman kind of have to join
us on the Doug Gatlup Show on Fox Sports Radio. Joe,
I've gotten really soft. I mean I was, I lived,
I was born in Wisconsin. I lived in Connecticut like
twelve the last sixteen years. I've been on the West
coast now back for oh about thirteen four teen months.

(24:00):
I went to Cincinnati. Was only forty degrees, it was sunny,
and I scored. It got my hands, my feet were
absolutely freezing. You haven't gotten soft in your retirement, have you.
It didn't even take me a year to get soft.
I got soft within the first six months. But I'd
say they had a bunch of times. And that stadium
can get pretty cold. That wind off the river can

(24:21):
just cut right through that stadium. And some of the
coldest games I've ever played. And we're actually at Paul
Brown Stadium. Yeah, the river is right outside the stadium
and uh and and it is kind of open, sort
of in that end zone. I want to ask you
about the Saints who are so dominant. They got Garry
Austin fired right, and they don't punt yesterday and I
was working with Brian Baldinger and he's like, you gotta

(24:42):
watch this offensive line work from the New Orleans Saints.
What have they done to get it all together to
be the perfect offensive line for the way Drew Breese plays. Well,
they're always blocking for a spot. That's you know, seven
yards deep, so they're they're trying to create a firm
pocket up front, but then a lot of those rushers
to try to rush up the field. And they know
that Drew Brees he gets through the ball so quickly

(25:05):
that if somebody tries to rush up the field, they
just can't get there. So they fit their scheme perfectly
with how Drew Brees loves to play. Joe Thomas joining
us on behalf of Polaris. We'll get to that in
a moment. Cowboys get a win on the road over
the Philadelphia Eagles. There's been a lot of talk about, Hey,
you lose Travis Frederick, and that's why this offensive line

(25:25):
hasn't looked as cohesive, hasn't looked as dominant as it
had going back two years ago. What do you see
from the Cowboys offensive line last night against Philadelphi Eagles. Well,
I think what you see as a quarterback that's playing better.
A lot of times, the offensive line they get way
too much credit, uh when a quarterback plays well, and
they get too much blame when the quarterback doesn't play
well because a lot of times just the quarterbacks not

(25:47):
throwing the ball on time. It doesn't matter who's up
there blocking in front. They're gonna be getting that quarterback
hit and they're gonna be taking a lot of the blame.
But you get a quarterback that's playing a little bit better.
Dank Prescott plays a little bit better the other night,
and all of a sudden, everyone says that all the
problems that they have to have been fixed. And I agree.
Missing Travis Frederick is a is a big blow to
that offensive line. But I still think overall they're a

(26:09):
really good offensive line and they can play really well,
but they just need that quarterback position to play much better. Obviously,
your former team, the Browns, made a change head coach
and coordinator, and uh last week he was a really
conservative game plan this week. Obviously that game plan has
helped out when Nick Chubb runs for one seventy six.
What's changed in not just the play calling but also

(26:30):
the personnel groupings, uh, in the in the past two
weeks since changing play callers, well, I think usually and
Duke Johnson on the field a lot more with Nick Chubb,
and that's given defensive problems because they don't know how
to handle both those guys. UH, Duke Johnson being targeted,
targeted in the passing game, has made a big impression
on that offense and and really helped boost that offense.

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Baker Mayfield, he's planning really well. He was really efficient
in the game yesterday. I think he was like seventeen
out and three touchdowns as many down as they had incompletions.
He was just lights out. But you got an offensive
coordinator and Freddie Kitchens, he's calling great games because he's
got nothing to lose. He's on an interim basis. He
can go out there and call trick plays. He can

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be unpredictable, he can call play action passes when his
offense is in their own end zone. So I think
it's a great position for that offense to be in.
And I think you're seeing that good growth from Baker Mayfield,
that quarterback, and that's exactly why they decided to make
the changes that they did in the middle of the season. Yeah,
a little bit of bowl game offense, right that that's
when you when you when you're an interim offensive coordinator,

(27:33):
you gotta run that bowl game. Like, how let's just
take a shot at it. That's a great way to
put it. Yeah, it's it's that bowl game offense. Hey,
it doesn't matter. We can take some risks. If they
don't pan out, oh well, but let's have some fun
with it. Let's cut it loose. Let let these guys
play some football. And I think you're seeing some great results. Joe,
you miss it. You did it for a long time.
Do you miss it? You always miss it when things

(27:55):
are going well. And it's easy now that you're retired
to only remember the good parts and the only remember
the easy stuff that was fun. But I think I
have enough of a elephant memory that I remember how
hard it was for me to get out of bed
on those Mondays, and how difficult it was for me
to be able to prepare for those games on Sunday,
and how really it was just not tenable anymore. And

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so as much as you miss the winds in the
locker room and everything you can't ever separate in your memory,
you know how the pain that you went through, especially
at the end of the season, from how much fun
it is to go out there and strap it up
and win a game. Joe Thomas joining us in the
Doug Gallup Show on Fox Sports Radio, I want to
ask you about the Steelers. Tomorrow is the day in
which Levy on Bell, we're told you won't show up, um,

(28:40):
but tomorrow's the day which will know officially he shows
he doesn't show up, and I don't think anyone would
argue whether or not he has more overall god given
talent than James Connor. But there there's something about Connor.
Maybe it's his personal story, Maybe it's connection to Pittsburgh
having played college all there. Maybe it's the fact that

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you know, he has shown the ability to step up
when there was all the noise about Levian Beltman. It's
probably all of the above. But like, look, then, you've
been in those locker rooms and we're hearing offensive lineman
speak out essentially on his behalf, which is kind of
unheard of to ever, you know, divide a locker room
with players that may happen inside the locker room, but

(29:22):
but never publicly from offensive lineman outside the locker room.
Have you ever seen this before where a team just
goes like, hey, you know what, James Conner is our guy,
and we're kind of over Levian Bell because that's what
it feels like to us the fan. It's definitely an
unusual situation. I'm not sure I've ever seen it. Before
obviously going back to the contract dispute, the player just
flat out saying, Hey, I don't want your franchise to

(29:44):
take I'm just not gonna play this year. I'd rather
take zero dollars this year and go to free agency.
That's obviously unique. And then to have your own offensive
line players in the locker room calling you out of
the media, it's really unique. And man, honestly, if Levian
Bell shows up, that's going to be a toxic situation.
We don't think he will, but I guess anything can
happen in this type of situation. So if he does

(30:04):
show up, and I was gonna make some for some
good drama me myself and the media, now I would
love for him to show up because that would give
me something to talk about for a few weeks on
my award winning Tomahawk podcasts. Yeah, it's It's fascinating though,
if you think about it, like, there is something to
guys who people believe in in people like as opposed
to a guy who might have more talent. Right. Is

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that that's fair, isn't it? Oh? Absolutely? I mean desire
and want to that has a big impact on how
well you play on Sundays. And just because somebody's got
ability doesn't mean that you have what it takes to
make it in the NFL. There's thousands of guys that
have had way more ability but not been able to
make it in the NFL because they don't have to drive.
They don't have that want to that it takes to

(30:46):
be able to go out on a Sunday and take
those hits that you have to take and then wake
up on a Monday morning at six am and get
in the weight room and getting the training room and
get yourself right to do it again the next week.
That's not something that every person has, and so you've
gotta have that drive if you want to make it
in the NFL. Right now, I read what you're doing
this deal with Polaris to kick off Ranger Country Heroes Hunt.

(31:08):
It's a program to develop and celebrate veterans and raise
awareness for funding for LEAK that's L E e. K
Hunting and Mountain Preserve. What is what is LEAK and
what's Polaris? What are you players doing for? Yeah? So
I'm really excited to be partnering with Polaris Ranger on
their Ranger Country Heroes Hunt program where this year they're
raising money for LEAK, which is a hunting preserve out

(31:30):
in Pennsylvania that I got a chance to go to
this fall that helps rehabilitate our nation's veterans. And I
got a chance to go out there and spent some
time with some Army and Marine Corps vets and just
see firsthand how being in the outdoors and sharing that
fellowship with fellow marines is giving these guys an ability
to heal as they transition back to civilian life. And

(31:54):
it's really a special thing. And Rangers trying to donate
a hundred thousand dollars so that LEAK is able expand
their program to be able to serve and help more vets.
And the cool thing I think about LEAK that separates
itself from a lot of other veterans programs is all
veteran run. It's owned by a former veteran or excuse me,
a veteran of I think he was in the Army,

(32:15):
And it's just a really neat program to be involved with,
and I think it's a great program on this Veteran's
Day as we're celebrating today, to be able to go
out there and donate and uh, support our vets alright.
So last thing, obviously famously, when you were drafted, you
were fishing, which is pretty much the coolest thing ever. Uh.
When you hunt, you dear, You're a dear guy. You

(32:36):
a bird guy, You're a bear guy, You're a wild
hog guy. Like you can only elk, you can only
go hunting for one thing. What's your what's your what's
your game? Best at I like to get out and
do all of it, you know. When I was at
Leak this fall, it was really cool because we got
to do some deer hunting in the morning with some
of the vets, and then we actually did a little
pheasant hunt in the afternoon. So the outdoor opportunities at

(32:59):
Leak are end the hunting, fishing, even if you're not
into that stuff, they do camping, They allow bests to
bring their whole family out there. It's it's really a
lot of fun, and for a guy like me to
be able to be just a little bit of part
of that was really cool. I'm great lyman. Thanks for
joining us so much. We really appreciate. By the way,
you go to donate dot one cause, dot com, Slash
Heroes Hunt or tex staff five one to five, five

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to one. That's the one and only. Joe Thomas joining
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(33:43):
joins us on The Doug got Lip Show. Levian Bell
is a freak elite back that somehow we lose track
of that a little bit because either we love the
James Conner story or we don't like Levian Bell holding
out for more money. Is that a fair take? Levian
Bell in a vacuum is a better player in James Conner.
So if the Levion Bell had been playing all this

(34:04):
year and been locked him as he has been the
last couple of years, he would be doing everything James
is doing and more. But I also think on the
flip side, it shows, hey, Levian, you had fourteen and
a half million dollars that on a single season, you
would have been the highest paid player in the league
of your position. It's not a position where it's you're
not left tackle, you're not a corner. You are very

(34:24):
pretty easy to replace. See to me, the Doug the differences,
It's the one position for the most part that I
can find a dude off waivers. I can find a
guy late in the draft and get I mean of
production at so many other at path, rusher, at you know,
at offensive tackle, at corner. The drop off is like
Grand Canyon wise where running back it's I can find

(34:48):
James Conner. That again not Levian Bell, but it's having
a Pro Bowl season. I can't just find Pro Bowl
other positions. To me, that's the problem for the Levian
Bell side of the argument. If you missed anything from
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Granger for the ones who get it done. Buyer, Dan,
buy what he got we have got today, Doug. Big deal,
little deal, no deal? All right, big deal, A little
deal or no deal. That Rams wide receiver Cooper Cup
is done for the season with a torn a c L.
That's a big deal. It's a big deal. Listen. I
know the Rams have a lot of other talent to

(36:11):
throw the football to, Brandon Cooks, Robert Woods, etcetera, etcetera.
But Cooper Cup is a favorite target. He is a
Scooper Cup always open. It feels like he's always open.
And when you look at the and when you look
at their offensive production as a team when he's been out,
it has been different. I think that is a massive,
massive loss, big deal, a little deal or no deal.

(36:33):
That the Buccaneers are sticking with Ryan Fitzpatrick at quarterback
despite not scoring a touchdown in a loss yesterday to
the Redskins. They over five hundred yards of offense and
had only three points. That seems counterintuitive, doesn't That's the
new NFL. It's not about how many yards de you
score points um. But it also tells you where they

(36:55):
are with Jamos Winston, that they don't want to play
him for fear of getting hurt. That he gets hurt,
then they gotta pay him next here, big deal, a
little deal or no deal that the NFL is concerned
over the poor playing conditions at as Teca Stadium in
Mexico City, as it will host the Rams in Chiefs
a week from today. I think it's, uh, it's a
little deal, just because do we really think they're gonna

(37:16):
pull the game out of s Techa Stadium right like
it's a week away? Are they really that there's so
many logistical issues if they were so they can be
concerned about, like, hey, we're really concerned and and they're
right to be concerned with bad playing service. They had
this problem when they played in London time and again.

(37:36):
You know, different grass different, you know, there's the field
conditions are really important to these guys. But I don't
know what you're gonna do about it. You got a week. Yeah,
it always seems like I'm the soccer pitches, the the
type of grasses and as deeply rooted. I'm not a
an expert in it in this field, however, it does
seem to cause a slippery track. And we'll see if
it hasn't effect a week from tonight, because honestly, that's

(37:59):
the to night game we're looking forward to. ESPN has
been pumping it for two weeks. Who would pub giants? Right?
Big deal, a little deal or no deal? That the
Carmelo Anthony Houston Rockets marriage is likely headed for a
divorce after a five and seven start to the season.
That's a big deal. That's a big deal. I mean, look,
Carmelo Anthony is a as a Hall of Famer, he

(38:22):
is a um Nay Smith Memorial Hall of Famer, and
he didn't make it to the All Star break. We
the Rockets. That that's and he's not like he's making
a bunch of money. And maybe that's one reason you
can cut him. And is that scapegoating him? Sure? That
to me shows that he's a problem behind the scenes.

(38:44):
There's the only because issues with your play and issues
with not being able to play defense and missing shots
and whenever, like all, we can work through that and
we'll play less minutes here and more minutes some nights.
But if you're getting just cutting a guy straightaway in November,
that means he's a pay in the ass. Mellows averaging
thirteen and a half points per game and about twenty

(39:05):
nine minutes per contest shooting about from the floor. Honestly, Doug,
that's what I thought he would do. Maybe the points
per game would have been a little bit higher, but
I don't know what else you would have expected from
Carmelo Anthony coming into that Houston team. Uh No, do
they expect twenty points per game? No? I don't think

(39:25):
it's points per game. I think it's I think it's
just this idea that the way he has to get up,
he has to he requires a volume of shots, and
he's not efficient enough. Um me struggles to defend. I
honestly think the biggest thing is is he doesn't want
to come off the bench, and he's probably just not
he's just not good. He's not all in on everybody else.

(39:48):
Like look, you know lou all Dan last year with
the with the l A Lakers. Remember he started Opening
Night and then he never played again, and they kept
him away from the team. And the reason was they
felt like he wasn't a great influence on the younger guys.
I mean, he's a bad guy, but just if you're
not all in for the right reasons, like we just
don't want you around because it can influence guys, especially

(40:09):
when you're a very popular player, because all these guys
grew up watching you get buckets and then win a
National championship and being All Star in the NBA. Yeah,
And that's kind of my point is he probably brought
was was expected, but just not working out big deal,
a little deal or no deal. That Karl Anthony Towns
and Andrew Wiggins were very complementary of Jimmy Butler following

(40:29):
his trade by the Wolves to Philadelphia, Towns saying he's
one hell of a player. I don't know how many
Jimmy Butler's there are in the world, so I think
he'll be missed, Wiggins adding I learned a lot of
things from him. We made the playoffs, something we haven't
done in a long long time. Um, I think that's
that's a that's a no deal. I'd see it's smart

(40:50):
from Karl Anthony Towns. It's smart from Andrew Wiggins. It's
obvious that he didn't respect them, they didn't eat and
treat them the way that they wanted to be treated.
Didn't play as well with him, So this is just
them saying nice things, because what's the wind in them
killing Jimmy Butler on the way out the door? All Right,
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(41:12):
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Of a Toy Story Guy, Doug, I am a Toy
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When you have kids is really really tough. I do
feel like this is the disneyization, though, because we they
wrapped a pretty nice bow on a Toy Story three.

(41:34):
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(42:35):
Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Michael Lombardi is gonna join
the show later today five o'clock Eastern time. Love catching
up with Michael Lombardi. He tweeted this out. It's really interesting. Uh,
the Eagles are the worst team in the NFL in
the in red zone third downs. They've just converted four

(42:59):
all season. Last to you on all four point plays
on our four point plays. Big difference. So, um, I
think it's really interesting here as as we watched the
Eagles continue to stumble along, we told you that it's
going to be different, that it's going to be harder

(43:22):
we did. It's gonna be different and and some of
this I actually pointed out that's out with the Lakers.
You know, last night the Lakers needed a Tyson Chandler
block shot to beat the Atlanta Hawks, and the Hawks
are awful. And here's what people will do if you
like Trey Young. Trayon was good last night, offensively really good.
He went through about three games. The three previous games

(43:44):
he was horrendous at both ends. And he's not a
good defender, but it's more not even really trying. And
then when you're not making shots, uh, you know, it
becomes you know, if you're you're shooting long threes and
you're not guarding anything, like he goes to games where
he's just not good. He's very young, he's going almost
he's twenty years old. And I'm not freaking out about

(44:08):
his future. I'm just being realistic about the entire picture.
But what what is obvious with the Lakers is they're
getting everybody's best shot every night, you know, and it's
it's hard to quantify. How do you how do you
quantify that? Well, when you're the Lakers, you're you're Duke basketball,
you're Gonzaga, your Kansas, it's harder for you to pack

(44:33):
up and go on the road because that's that that
becomes everybody else's super Bowl. And people like to point
to stats and say, well, this guy is gonna be
better because he's a year older, he's playing with Lebron,
he's getting more minutes. And yet some guys stats have
become stagnant or some guys are just the same and

(44:53):
and they actually maybe better. But the competition is not
only better in the West. For Lebron he's a year older,
but the other teams are loading up that's their biggest game.
Then it's the biggest game. You're getting everybody's best shot. Something.
A little bit of what's happened to Philadelphia a little

(45:13):
bit heavy as the head that wears the crown, but
a little bit is also, hey, remember when Philadelphia was
great and they were going forward on fourth down and
their their team go for it because the analytics say
go for it, do it, you can do it. The
guys that say you go for it, you can do

(45:34):
it all the time are the guys that aren't coaching right,
just because if you look at it on a sheet,
you're like well, you know the conversion ready if it's
over and you obviously have to go for it based
upon the numbers. Again, that takes out the emotion and momentum. Sports.
We saw analytics go wrong in the NBA Playoffs with

(45:54):
the Houston Rockets. How many times can you point out
even if the stats would tell you, hey, man, you
still have the same likelihood of making the next three
if you've missed the last three threes. Once you've missed
twenty straight threes, you might want to go get to
the rim. I don't know, you know, and and when

(46:14):
you when you when you start trying to tinker with
your last year. I questioned Chris Paul only in that
Chris Paul, Who's great? Anybody who did things I don't like?
Chris Paul is great. He's my favorite, my favorite point
guard to watch over the past ten twelve years. He
plays how I wish I could have played at that level.

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But I questioned Chris Paul, who's more of a midrain shooter,
has to have the ball in his hands, more a
board ball dominant guy, how that would work? And generally,
by and large it did work. Now, he wasn't healthy
at the end of the year, and he didn't play
for about twenty games in the regular season, and now
we're seeing a full season of it, and of course
he's playing most smoout James Harden. But when you start

(47:01):
trying to tinker with a plan and you're like, well,
let's just we think if we take Mellow and you
take his same percentages and you put them in our offense,
and you may get more efficient, and you can. That's
not the way it works. It's not the way it works.
The Mellow thing never made any sense to me. It

(47:24):
actually was anti analytics and it's one of those smart
guys in the room thinking they're smarter than everybody else,
which is what we saw from the Eagles last year.
The Eagles auditioned by by addition was bad math, just
like the addition by addition with Houston was bad math. Well,
if we had Mellow in, that's more offense, more points.

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All we need is another guy we can throw the
ball to at the block and we get a shot,
or another guy can create offense from self, create offense
for other people who'll work just down there's one ball.
How you play on defense matter is Mello can kind
of be a bummer. To play with on offense, and
he's not even as good as he used to be
because he's a year older and there were years early

(48:08):
on where he didn't take care of himself. You go
over to the Eagles and their whole thing was look
as good as we were. We were hurt last year,
Carson Wentz got hurt, we had all these other injuries.
Wait till everybody gets back. Addition by addition, But there's
actually something called subtraction by addition in sports, and I

(48:28):
think we're seeing that something in Philadelphia, are seeing that
some in Houston. This guy was hurt, that guy was hurt.
Soon as he gets back, we're going to be right.
Wentz has been good, but not as good, nearly as
good as he had been in the past. People seem
to have caught up to the offense. Some of the
offensive brain trust is elsewhere as well. But the idea

(48:51):
of addition by addition is the anti maath to the
reality of addition by subtraction, and in fact, subtraction by addition.
Too many guys, whether they're trying to prove themselves, whether
you're trying, you're end splitting time. You just lose that
special feeling you just lose that special feeling. Um. Also,

(49:17):
you know I heard Dion do you guys do we
have Dion Lewis's comments about the Patriots after the Titans
laid the wood to the Patriots. So Dion Lewis is
a former Patriot, and the Titans played great, and the
Titans beat beat the Patriots, and so Dion Lewis went

(49:37):
all in on the Paths saying that they went cheap
and they got what they deserved. Take a listen. So
it was a little perfect Yes, personally, that's what happened.
When you go cheap, you get you ask kid, there's
a real sweet wind, you know, especially when you used
to be there and they didn't want to bring you back.
So definitely, roal sweet. I'm happy my teammates came out

(49:57):
and played and I loved his guys. Yeah, I love
these guys. They go cheap. It was personal. We got
the win. Now, Look, you're completely allowed. I have no
problem with you being ticked off that year, not with
the Patriots anymore. And if you want to say that
they went cheap, that's fine. They went and got a
first round draft pick running back. They never draft running

(50:19):
backs in the first round and Sonny Michelle went healthy.
It's been terrific. And Sonny Michelle played some yesterday coming
back off injury, only got eleven carries thirty one yards.
They didn't have Robert Grenkowski, and I don't think that
I don't think that Dean Lewis is wrong now, I
really don't. I don't think Dion Lewis how he's expressed himself.

(50:44):
But they also they had James White, so they didn't
feel like they needed another guy who could catch it
out of the backfield. They didn't. He's more of a
change of pace guy as opposed to you know, he
runs with the Derrick Henry and that's what a Sony
Michelle is. So the the business of sports and the
personal nature of guys feeling like they're getting cut. I

(51:04):
only say this, I thought it was a good win
for the Titans. I don't mind him popping off talking
trash and if he thinks that's why the Patriots got
what they deserved. But Edelman sprained his ankle, Gronk is,
Gronk has been hurt. They're still gonna win their division
and they've been able. It doesn't mean you can never

(51:25):
question the Patriots, and it doesn't mean that he's not
supposed to be mad, But the idea that they went
cheap at the position when they spent on the position
by going out and spending a first round traff pick,
not just not cluing in on the reality of what
the Patriots have decided to do. Look it, it does
suck when a place that you used to work has
found some sort of replacement and you think you're better

(51:46):
than that replacement. If you've ever changed jobs, you're gonna
feel that way. If you've ever broken up with a
girl and she's dating somebody else and you're dating somebody else,
you're gonna feel that way. Man, I was better for her.
Even if you're completely happy in your relationship, there's going
to be a part of you that says I'm better
than that dude. That's the ego of it. But if

(52:07):
we do we really think that the Patriots at full
strength aren't better than the Titans, I don't. I think
they're absolutely better than them. Super Bowl champion trend Diilford
joins the show. Next I'll ask him about the Pats
any reason to be worried and worried because they were
blown out by the Titans. Plus has the NFL caught

(52:30):
up on Dak Prescott or did he show us something
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Doug Gotlip Show, Fox Sports Radio. Let's get to Trent Dilford.
He joins us every week at this time, Trent, I
watched the Saints ap Uh. They beat the Bengals so
bad the Bengals fired Terrell Austin Um. But it's it's

(53:16):
really remarkable to watch Drew Brees be so accurate. Now,
most everything he did was within ten yards of the
line of scrimmage. If you could find a weakness to
that Saints offense, is there? One can't find one yet?
Um throwing on all cylinders that they create a ton

(53:36):
of stress on the defense by the nine personnel groupings.
They use formations, and Sean Payton, like the other really
good offense coordinators in the league, has has stolen a
bunch of stuff from Saturday from college football to create
width and space and the defense and force you to
play tighter man coverage, quick matchup zones if you're you

(53:57):
can no longer can play soft zone in the NFL
against the really high end offense coordinators and quarterbacks, so
they keep you on your heels. They can run the
ball with two backs. Um. He does a great job
of setting Tamara up as a as a pass receiver
screen guy and then running up people's guts, getting these
soft defensive fronts and just jamming it down your throat. Um.

(54:20):
He just wants Shampagne's one step ahead of everybody. And
and Drew Brees has always been this whim. He's so exact,
he's so precise, he plays on time. Um, you know,
he allows his receivers to do something after the catch,
which is, uh, what all the great ones do. Uh?
And I get up most of its underneath most of
Tom Brady's damage underneath to most of Aaron Rodger stuff

(54:43):
is underneath most of Peyton Manning and his heyday was underneath. Um.
But they kind of play you short too long, they
make you suck up and and then he'll strike you
down the field he did on the corner route down
in the red zone, teams start getting if if teams
start getting too close, he'll start them. Yeah. Yeah, well
it's gonna be fascinating to see. And as much as

(55:04):
so many of us say, well, hey, let's see him
outdoors in the playoffs one yesterday though the Bengals don't
have much defense, it was outdoors. It was cold too.
They may not have to go out of doors. They
may not have to leave New Orleans to get to
the Super Bowl. No, and may if they end up
going to LA. It's not like that's rough conditions. Um. Again,

(55:25):
I I am a believer that it is harder to
be that exact when the weather changes. But when you're
a controlled passing game, when you're, like you said, underneath
ten yards, when you utilize a lot of run after catch,
sometimes the cold, sloppy weather can work to your advantage too.
There's more run after catch opportunity if you can separate

(55:46):
and get the ball quick. So I'm not worried about
the outdoors. I think that you know, there's there's a
lot There's a handful of teams that separated themselves at
this point in the season, and the Saints are one
of them. Trent dial first joining us in the Dug Gallup,
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Outlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. What's wrong with the Eagles? Well,

(56:11):
I think it's a couple of things. UM. Number One, Repeating,
as I've been told, is one of the hardest things
there is there is to do in sports. That's one
of the great regrets in my careers. I wasn't given
the opportunity to go back to Baltimore and be able
to try and go on that journey with the Ravens. Uh.
It's super hard because you want to celebrate the year before,

(56:35):
you want to celebrate your accomplishments. You have more distractions,
you have coaching changes, UH, you have turnover on your
team because now all your players are more attractive to
other teams. UM. And it takes a special group to
embrace the hardness of that and move forward and still
have success. I think that's one of the really neat
things to watch in all of sports in general. I

(56:57):
think Frank Wright losing Frank Bright and um in there
and some of those coaches has really hurt them. I
think Frank breaks in that group of some of the
great offensive minds in in football. Look, he's doing an
Annapolis with Andrew Luck and changing that offensive culture there. Um.
I think that's part of it. And I don't think
they were overly talented last year. They didn't overwhelm people

(57:21):
with their roster. They were kind of one step ahead
of people some RPO stuff with some other offensive innovation.
They caught lightning in a bottle. Uh, And some of
the other teams have caught up to that. So I
think it's a bunch of different things. Um, they're just
kind of a middling team right now. What about the
Dallas Cowboys. Obviously when Zeke Elliott gets to running the football,
they're far different. Um, it feels like people like well

(57:44):
Das playing better. This is kind of the ceiling for Deck, right.
I mean, that was a really good, solid two seventy yards.
You know, don't turn over spray it to a bunch
of guys nothing spectacular, Like that's kind of who he is,
isn't it. Well, Yeah, I think the Cowboys are reflection
of their quarterback. They're inconsistent. Um, Dak does some really

(58:05):
good stuff. I am a fan of Dad. I think
he's a good quarterback. Um. You know, elite quarterbacks don't
grow on trees, so sometimes you're trying to win with
a good, solid player. He has his splash moments. Um,
he's tough, he has all the intangibles. Uh. He adds
an element playing second third reaction football because of his athleticism.

(58:28):
At the same time, he doesn't do the boring stuff great. Uh,
you know, he doesn't play on time all the time.
His eyes are always in the right place. Um, there's
a lot of little things that when you add up,
you know, equate wins and losses. And and that's what
the great ones do is they're consistent with the boring stuff. Yeah,
they can still do the the splash stuff, but they're
consistent with the boring stuff, the stuff that nobody really

(58:51):
notices and and you make enough mistakes on that. I
thought Chris Collins did a great job showing that he
doesn't throw the ball on time, he doesn't like to
play on time. Um, there's a couple of instances where
he's you know, he's waiting for the receiver to be
open instead of throwing him open. Again, just nuance polish
that he needs to take on to really separate himself

(59:11):
and put himself from the upper tier quarterbacks. And I
say that because the Cowboys are the same way. They
can be great on defense, they can look suffocating on defense,
and then they can let you know, up by seven
a ball get up over their head. Um, they can
get gash and run game at times. They can have
stupid penalties. Um. They they tend to be very inconsistent
as well, and and sometimes um don't embrace the boring stuff.

(59:34):
So I think their quarterback and the team are one
and the same. It's hard for anybody to play from behind.
Trendon for joining us in the Doug Gotlip show. Right,
that's the whole Let's start fast. That makes so does anymore? Yeah?
I mean, but but but New England gets down, you know,
seventeen three start the game on the road. That that's
a hard way to live, right, That's not that's not

(59:55):
a fun way to live. Lewis. Dean Lewis comes out
after the games is man, you go cheap, this is
what happens you get smacked around. Um. In fairness, they
didn't have drunk. They did have Sony Michelle for the
first time in a couple of weeks, and they did
get they get smacked around by the Titans. How much
concern should there be with the Patriots. I think any

(01:00:17):
time you lose by twenty there should be concerned. You know,
I made one of the most egregious mistakes in my
broadcasting career when I overreacted to a beat down the
Patriots took a handful of years ago. UM. I think
you have to take each beat down in context with
who the team is, who their leadership is, what their

(01:00:37):
track record is. I'm less concerned because it's the Patriots,
because they've earned that respect for me that they they
can beat downs before and it's made them better. UM.
I like what the Patriots are doing on defense. They
create more dress on the quarterback than any other team
in the NFL. Not more stacked, just more dressed. But

(01:00:58):
at the same time their own UM. Kind of like
the old Jim Schwartz defenses where they're almost careless sometimes
trying to get to the pastor and they've they've given
up big play offensive and I'm never gonna worry about
him as host, Tom Brady's or quarterback. But with Gronk
not healthy, with Edelman getting beat up late, with them
trying to be more of a ball control run play

(01:01:20):
action team, and not having Grounk, there's an inline blocker
because people forget about that. He's not just a great
past receiving tight end. He's one of the best inline blockers,
which allows a run game to go as well. So
you know they're playing half manned. They got their butts
kicked by a team that was hungry. I'm sure there's
some Rabel experience of Belicheck that Um influence a little bit. Um,

(01:01:42):
But overall, they've just done too much over the past
what fifteen years for me to doubt that they can
that they wouldn't bounce back from us Cooper Cup out
for the year. How does that affect the Rams, Well,
he's a very good player, so obviously affects them. Um.
I think it's Reynolds my arecked on that as a
kid that stepped in a couple of weeks ago. Um

(01:02:03):
did a really really nice job in Yeah, in that spot,
and they're gonna have to get away from some of
this eleven personnel. I mean, every time you watch rams game,
the announcers do a good job of explaining how they're
an eleven personnel more than any team in the NFL
by far. That's three wide receivers, one tight end. Um.
They based their whole system around staying and one personnel

(01:02:24):
grouping so that they can change tempos and not have
to run people on and off. They're gonna have to
adjust that. They're gonna have to play more twelve personnel,
which is two tight ends and one back to wide receivers.
Uh and be able to do the same thing. And
they have two good past receiving tight ends to do
that with. UM, So I think they can adjust. It's
not like they're losing Girly, you know. And I don't
want to downplay how good Cup is, but he's an

(01:02:47):
auxiliary weapon on that team. He's not a primary weapon. Uh.
And by committee, I think they can replace them. Fascinating
stuff from trend Over, who joins us on the Doug
Gatlib Show on Fox Sports Radio. Charges announced Denzel Perriman
out for the year. Apparently, UM the hamstring came off
the bone. You gotta get that one, Ria, Yeah, I

(01:03:10):
was watching that. It look it looks like using a
lot of pain last year their defense struggle when they
lost Perriman he was at the first half of the year.
Of course, that's that coincided with that awful start. How
hard is that to replay? They're gonna get Joey Bosa back,
so they'll help their pass rush, but you lose your
middle linebacker at this point the year. How does that
change the Chargers? It's tough. I don't know. I don't

(01:03:31):
know who his backup is. I probably should, but I don't. Um.
It puts a big burden on him as the signal caller.
Getting Bosa back, you know, helps him obviously in the
past game. I think with the middle linebacker does though,
um more than people understand is he gets people aligned,
you know. Alignment assignment tackling is basically defensive football, uh

(01:03:53):
and getting guys a line right and checked into the
proper assignment, especially nowadays with high tempoed off fense and
multiple formations and all the spread looks and all the
crazy stuff that goes on offensively really creates a confidence,
uh comfort with your defense and when you replace that
guy and now the signals are different. Um, it can

(01:04:14):
create some chaos on defensive defense and it takes some
time to adjust to that. And that's not even mention.
He's just a really good football player. He's in the
right spot at the right time and makes good plays.
He's viable, he's a three down linebacker. He can play
in the past game. So it's, uh, it's a it's
a blow, but getting Bosa back is a huge deal.
I mean, he is one of the premier defensive lineman

(01:04:36):
in the league. And and maybe it washes itself out. Yeah,
it'll be fashionating to see if it does, in fact
wash itself out. Um, the Map Patricia thing doesn't seem
to be working out, But it is the first season
you've been in so many different locker rooms with so
many different head coaches. Um, what's your sense of the

(01:04:58):
Patricia thing and whether or not we're just kind of
freaking out over them taking a step back or does
he really just not have what it takes to command
that position, And was it just a handful of weeks
he had him taking a step forward? Because I have
I personally and I could be wrong here, but I
have a long leash with for sure quarterbacks, for sure
head coaches. Um, massive transition. I think transition is hard.

(01:05:23):
Culture change is hard. Uh. It takes buying in buying
is hard. Um. So I personally have a long leash
and and kind of hold my opinion after I see
a bigger body of work. Um. I think one of
the things that's happened with Patricia is there is no
doubt when the media doesn't like the way you present yourself,

(01:05:44):
especially when you attack them to a certain degree, um,
that the narrative around you becomes, um a little more toxic. Um.
I mean Tony Dunji was brutal in his first I
was there his first night. I think we were one
and eight his first year. But Tony Dungee handled himself
with incredible class, incredible poise, was very kind. Look the

(01:06:07):
part people were rooting for him. Uh, So the leash
was a little bit longer. So I think the leash
is a little bit shorter on Map Patrician because of
kind of how he's come off. Um. People can disagree
with me, but it's kind of how it works these
days in the sports media and how they they change
their narratives on coaches very quickly. Great stuff awesome. Um,

(01:06:28):
I agree with you totally. You know, you tell the
guy to sit up and to be presentable, and suddenly
now the knives are out in the media is killing
you when your team stinks and loses the Bears who
can't make a field goal because Cody Parky hit an
upright every time he kicked the football. Great stuff is
go ahead. I got twenty more seconds. I mean, I
think it's I mean, you're in it. I was in

(01:06:49):
it for a long time. Still in a little bit.
If I were to give a message to young athletes
and young coaches to be very simple, don't piss off
the media. It ain't worth it. And that kind of
dead and and he's kind of suffering because of it.
I agree. I agree. It's one of those you know,
the whole thing is what is the wind? It's it's
even when he even if he was if he was

(01:07:12):
upset because he felt like it was disrespectful that a
guy wasn't sitting up, wasn't presentable, no matter how he
personally looks, and Patricia, you know, has his flaws. He
actually does wear you know, code and tie at a
lot of those press conferences regardless, Like you want to
say that in front of the guys he in his field,
Like why not just have your PR guy pull him

(01:07:32):
aside and say something to him, right, Like, you know what,
what is the win? What is the win in that?
I've seen a lot of really good football people. I've
been in this now since ninety four is my rookie year,
and I've seen a lot of really good old school
football guys that are really admired by the rest of
the league. But they didn't have the tact they didn't

(01:07:53):
have the social awareness, or they or they rebelled. They
had such a deep hatred for the media and people
covering the sport that don't play this sport UM that
they've ruined their careers. UM. Coaches need to do a
better job of understanding that the media is the voice,
is their voice to the public, and handling them with

(01:08:15):
more grace and even though they mess up a lot,
more grace and tactfulness. And the ones that do, we
as a public, give a longer leash those that don't
have a shorter leak. It's just the way it is.
I'm not saying it's right, it's just it's the reality
of human natures are you're saying, yeah, I hated kissing,
but as a quarterback, I tell the young quarterbacks they said,
one of the arts of quarterbacking is becoming a politician

(01:08:38):
and learning how to lie two people and not knowing
and then not knowing your line. It's just the fact
of the business. It's unfortunate, but it's true. Trend awesome stuff.
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you treat you. Let's first treat you though. To Dan Buyer,
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the National Football Yeah, Doug, you were talking with Trent
about Cooper Cups injury, the Denzel Perriman injury. There's also
a big injury in Jacksonville. Jaguar center Brandon Linder is
gonna be placed on i R with a knee injury
that requires surgery. You mentioned the Eagles lost last night

(01:09:22):
to the Cowboys. They lost cornerback Ronald Darby for the
or Derby before this season. Darby's gonna miss the year
because of a torn a c L that occurred in
that loss to Dallas. Bengals fire defensive coordinator Tarrell Lawston
to day after surrendering fifty one points in a loss
to the New Orleans Saints. Speaking of those Saints, they
sent for eagant wide receiver Brandon Marshall. Tampa Bay gonna

(01:09:42):
stick with Ryan Fitzpatrick as their starting quarterback week eleven
against the Giants, but they won't be sticking with kicker
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Fox Boys Radio. You gotta be careful with the whole
We won the trade thing if we just used the

(01:10:47):
past as our guide. Look back to last year. Now,
Paul George is terrific and he's chosen to resign with
the Oklahoma City Thunder and considering at the time they
no one thought he would resign. The Pacers got the
better end of the deal, getting two players who were
under club control. But the Placers got the better in

(01:11:08):
the deal because they got two players to essentially starters,
one you know, borderline star in Victor Ladipo, their best
player as a and as opposed to one player to
Paul George. But at the time, Man, they fleeced him.
I can't believe they got rid of O the deepost
contract and they had to throw in Domas Sibonis is

(01:11:31):
a nice player, Like, all right, you end up getting
if Sibonis is only a rotation guy started. A rotation
guy is better than one player, It just is, unless
that player is a top five player in the NBA.
Paul Geridge is good, we mean that good. He's really good,
and they've had to compensate him, you know, with the
new contract, which is a four year deal, and in

(01:11:53):
Oklahoma City celebrating. My point is when that deal was made,
everybody freaked out and said they wanted you look at
this Minnesota deal and everybody, well they did. Minnesota didnt
even get a first round pick. They got Covington and
Sari Sart just starting for Covington's the starting three. Neither
of them really require the ball. They both create space

(01:12:15):
for Wingington, for receiving, for Wiggins and for Karl Anthony Towns.
And while the second round pick doesn't feels like a
throw in, second round picks can't have a little bit
of value that worth you know, two to four million dollars.
I just I caution. I pumped the brakes on Jimmy Butler,

(01:12:35):
who it's gonna be a free agent could sign a
long term deal, and it wasn't like any of these
other championship caliber teams were opening to go get Butler.
I like what. I like the idea of what Philadelphia did.
They're like, hey, we got two players, let's add a

(01:12:56):
third star. Teams with three stars compete for championship US.
But a little bit like Houston, they're getting out of
what made them successful. You go back to last year
and you look at their roster and you'll notice why

(01:13:17):
it's so incredibly different today. The Philadelphia has seventies sixers.
Last season, all right, think about their stats last season.
Their stats last season. Folks didn't play. Didn't play Robert Covington,

(01:13:38):
Robert Covington and Dario sarich Uh. Those guys were super,
super effective at times. Now, Covington a little bit overpaid. Okay,
he fell out a favor a little bit, but he's
twelve or thirteen a game. Sarge was fifteen a game.
They keep Reddick, they keep Embiid, and they keep Simmons
and Simmons and Embiid. You think are stars, young stars,

(01:14:01):
But one of the things that helped them be stars
is they had Bell and Ellie in the playoffs, they
had Robert Covington, and they had Dario sarch All three
could stretch the defense, and all three are gone. So
I like the idea of Jimmy Butler, but Jimmy Butler
hasn't done well with guys who don't like to be
motivated by teammates. That could be Ben Simmons. And in

(01:14:25):
order for all of these guys to be great, you
need people who can space the floor. And I don't
know if the maybe, I don't know. As of now,
they don't have those guys on the roster in Philadelphia.
I'm not sure Minnesota didn't win this trade getting rid
of a guy who didn't want to be there, two
guys who do want to be there, and they fit
the rest of the personnel that Minnesota has a little

(01:14:47):
bit better. Just be careful about who won the trade
before anybody's played a game. Clay Travis things college football
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b J saying, Hey, our goals to in eight in
a row. It feels forced, Like being overly positive feels forced.
Your goals should be with sixteen ero, I mean, just

(01:15:31):
win one. You can't win a eight unless you win one.
It's like, our goals win this week. Let's let's let's
just win this week before we get ahout of ourselves.
Whatever you can. I mean, if you want to say that,
that's fine or whatever. You know. I the team has
a lot of they have problems in that locker room.
There's just man, there's there's bad energy and there. They
have a lot of issues, which is want to have
the second pick of the draft in the first place

(01:15:52):
today and a couple of players isn't gonna change those issues.
Bad culture in there, and the offensive line is it
doesn't matter who you put a quarterback, you're gonna have
major issues there. Every time somebody misses a pass, it's
like there's a pity party. Everybody's throwing their arms up
and like, oh man, like somebody wronged them from missing
the past. It's got a change, man, There's just I'm
glad he's saying this, but there's not enough positivity in there,

(01:16:15):
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the ones that get it done. Here's Clay Travis today
talking about how a low hit on Alabama's quarterback to
a TOVI loga against Mississippi State could change college football.
I thought that Mississippi State was clearly diving at to
his knee. I thought they were trying to injure him.

(01:17:23):
If TWA gets hurt and isn't able to play in
the SEC title game or certainly in the in the playoff,
I'm going to feel cheated. And when I saw that hit,
I thought it was cheap form Mississippi State. I thought
it was dirty, and I don't think the NFL would
stand for it. I think college needs to do a
better job of protecting their guys. And when I saw
that hit, I said, there's no way the NFL would

(01:17:46):
stand with for a helmet straight to the knee, because
we saw what happened with a Brady years ago, and
they went in and they continue to adjust the rules.
You may think that quarterbacks are being too protected, but
it's just the NFL saying, Hey, the big time star
quarterbacks in our league need to be protected and we
need to make sure that we're not getting them hit.
And I think college needs to be more proactive in

(01:18:07):
sending out a message. I could not agree with him more.
Now it's harder because college quarterbacks do have a tendency
to run around more. You know, even the zone reads.
You can technically even after they hand off of football,
you can technically hit a quarterback. They used to do
that to Russell Wilson in the NFL. They don't do
it now, they do it some to college quarterbacks. It's

(01:18:27):
really hard, you know. I was actually I got a
chance to call a game yesterday on radio, Bengals versus Saints,
and I was hanging out with Bill Laser's the offensive
coordinator for the Cincinnati Bengals, and he was talking about
zone read stuff R P O s um as well,
and he said, look, it's different in college because you know,

(01:18:50):
in college offensive lineman can block three yards down field,
and it can you can still throw a football and
the three becomes four, whereas in the pros it's supposed
to be a yard and it becomes two yards. Um
all of those there's a bunch of other college rules
which makes it a lot harder to figure out if
a guy's running or guys throwing the football. That said,

(01:19:12):
I find, I find what you have to protect those assets,
protect those college quarterbacks because this is this is a
theme though I think far too much power rest in
the hands of kids now, trans transferring, not having to
sit out, you know, getting cost of attendance, people saying
they need to get paid. All this like we become

(01:19:33):
like so overly ridiculous pro player in the media. It's
kind of silly, But um quarterbacks more valuable, Why not
protect them more? All right? Take a listen to Maurice Jones,
Drew and The Dan Patrick Show giving his thoughts on
Jared Golf. I think after these last the last two years,

(01:19:54):
he has to be in the top two, top three,
top two, top three of of quarterbacks period. Golf is
in the top two or three. Yeah. I mean, if
we saw the way he saw the way he played
against New Orleans that he had the one pick, but
other than that, he went right down the field when
they played the Vikings defense. He towards them. Right now,
he's playing with we call uber confidence. It doesn't matter
who they're going against. Coach McVeigh is and still a

(01:20:16):
ton of confidence in him in that offense. And they
can't go out and score on anybody. And so I
saw him in college. I trained to Cal worked out
with him there. I saw him in his first year
in Los Angeles where he was quiet. You know, he
wasn't a real boastress kind of guy. And he's still
not boasters but you could tell him his interviews. He's
much more confident in his abilities and what he can do.
And that's the biggest difference to me is just he's confident.

(01:20:38):
He knows he can make these throws. He's confident where
he's going with the ball, and uh, you know, when
he has confidence, that offense plays better. And I think
that's the when you look at the Saints, that's what
it is that they're they're confident that Drew Brees is
gonna make every throw, every play. Yeah. Look, I like
Maurice Jones Drews analysis and he is saying something I
agree with, and that Jared Goffin has gone from Matt silly,

(01:21:00):
under massively, uh overly scrutinized early to kind of underappreciated
as he's made some amazing strides. But I'm not yet
willing to put him in that category. Right. I'm just
not like, let's let's flush this thing out a little
bit because last year the playoffs, teams made him beat

(01:21:22):
them and he could not. Um. He has a great
offensive line, he is a great running game, he has
some good personnel and excellent coaching. Let's see what happens
when we get a little bit deeper in the season,
and people challenge him to see it. They they it
wasn't like they dusted off the Seahawks there. They're coming

(01:21:43):
off a loss to the Saints, could have lost the
Seahawks up in Seattle as well. So so this indomitable
machine is ridiculous. Factory of points has shown itself to
be fallible. Some of that, those those issues are on
the defensive side, but some of them are on offense.
Now you take away Cooper Cup who's not the most

(01:22:03):
talented player, but a really important cog to what they're doing.
Let's see, it's hard to tell though, gout between Golf
McVeigh um and obviously Todd Gurley and the offensive line
all all very much a part of the success story.
Am I putting him a bev? Aaron Rodgers and Tom
Brady and Drew Brees and Matt Ryan. I mean, you

(01:22:26):
know anybody who's like, well, this guy is having a
career year. We said this last week. They're they're all
having career years. Offenses up across the board. It's an
offensive league. If you don't have an offense that can score,
that can put up to thirty game, you're just gonna
get left in the dust. So it's it's not to
take away from golf, it's just to simply point out
it's a it's a harder it's a harder curve because

(01:22:50):
there's more talent, there's more other guys that are also
lighting up the NFL. Can the Eagles rebound and win
the NFC East? It sure feels like all of that
huff and bluster over being the champs and everybody's saying
they couldn't. It's just huff and bluster. Should the Patriots
be worried about their lost the Titans? And um, I

(01:23:15):
look at the Rams and they lose Cooper Cup? Are
there some failings in the future for the Rams? Michael Lombardi,
the former general manager in the NFL, will join us
and answer all those questions. Next and The Doug Gotlap
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(01:23:38):
Sports Radio. Lebron and the Lakers get another win, but
they survive the Hawks? Something something making sense to me
in l A. We'll get to that upcoming um tough
to watch the night's Monday Night football. But that's okay.
We can react to all the really good and really
interesting Sunday night football with our next guest. Michael Lombardi

(01:23:58):
is a former general manager in the NFL. He also
has a great, great podcast called GM Streech download, listen
to it, I do, and then you can pick up
his book, Gridiron Genius, A Masterclass and Winning Championships and
Building Dynasties in the NFL. It's on sale. Now let's
work backwards, shall we, Michael, Let's let's start with the
Dallas Cowboys. Obviously, when they can run it with Zeke Elliott, uh,

(01:24:21):
it changes the entire game. Um, do you think last
night's performance bodes well for the rest of the season
for the Cowboys? You know that's always gonna be a
hard one. I'm not sure he's gonna have that kind
of game every week, especially when he faces a better defense.
So you know, there's the Eagles run defense typically was
very good. Now this week he goes against Atlanta, which

(01:24:42):
doesn't have a run defense, so you know they're gonna
have to make some plays in the pasting game like
they did last night. But I think more than anything,
their defense played to a level that it didn't play
against Tennessee on Monday night. It created some problems for
Carson Wentz. It forced him to make some froze he
wholy didn't want to make. And I thought they were
around the ball quite a bit. I don't know how

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far this cowboy team can go because at some point
when teams take away the run, they're not a very
good left handed team. No, no, they're not. And that
that brings you back to last week's comments where Jerry
Jones said DAC's gonna get an extension, which obviously leads
you to think that there's going to be some sort
of coaching change unless they win this division get to
the playoffs. Um, if you were advising Jerry, they don't

(01:25:27):
have to give Dak an extension and they could let
him play the market at the end of next year,
they could franchise, tag him whatever. But there is the
idea that he has been a starting quarterback playing on
a fourth round picks contract. How do you realistically approach
that if you were in that front office, Well, I
think you got to design an offense that fits him.
I don't think they utilize the skill set very well. Doug.

(01:25:47):
I think he's a guy who can run. He can
do more with his feet than they allowing him to do.
He's not a classical drop back passer. You know, he
can run that read option. He can do a lot
of things that these mobile quarterbacks are doing in a
leak today. And I think if they took a little
bit more of what he did at Mississippi State with
Dan Mullen and utilize that kind of attack, I think
they would be better suited for Dak Prescott and it

(01:26:09):
would help his receivers get open because they have a
hard time separating. So for me, I think that this is, uh,
this is a situation. I don't think we've seen the
best at DOC. I think when you look at it
last year, when you look at it this year, just
take third and short, third and four and plus you
know the Cowboys ranking twenty nine in the NFL in
that category this year when he was humming really good

(01:26:30):
with Jason Witten and Dez Bryan in two thousand and sixteen,
they ranked fourth. Now, has Dez gotten that worse from
his rookie season, I doubt it. But people know their
plays pretty well. Their scheme isn't exactly complex. Uh, you're
talking about Dez Bryant. He came back all thirty six
hours he was with the Saints. He tears his achilles
tendon um and and look at this. Some of this

(01:26:51):
becomes social media or people don't know how to react
to it. But my point on social media was, Hey,
when you're in your thirties and you're not with the team,
even if you're in regular shape, you're not in football shape.
You know, the Saints put out there that he was
five pounds overweight, so they might not addressed him on Sunday.
Anytime you put out that guy's five pounds overweight, he's
probably more ten pounds overweight. Is this one of those

(01:27:13):
warnings to older players or is this just the numbers
game and guys happened to get hurt sometimes. You know,
I think the achilles tending to me is strange because
guy's young. Ronald carry tour twice when he played for
the Raiders and he was under twenty seven years old,
you know, and in shape. So it's kind of a
funny thing. You just never really know to wear and
tear on a guy's body and how it how it

(01:27:34):
affects him. Back in the day, when you had an achilles,
your career was over. Now they can prepare him, they
come back stronger than ever. But you're right. I mean
Das wasn't doing anything. He went up to Cleveland. I
didn't think he was in shape. Just watching them do
that stuff there on hard knocks. I don't think he
put the time or the effort. And that will be
the question if levy On belvisides to sign his tender
to bar what kind of shape is he actually? And
I know he's been working out in Miami, but working

(01:27:54):
out in football shape are two different things. So I
would say every time I got and Mrs time, he's
gonna pull the hamstring, pool calf, muscle, something's gonna happen.
That's gonna set him back. It's a it's a great point. Okay,
So Levy, there's talk to Levyan Bell won't show up.
Let's say he does show up. And obviously that locker
room loves James Conner. On the other hand, levy On

(01:28:15):
Bell is a remarkably talented guy. How does that work.
You're in the you're in the stretch front of the season,
the team's playing really, really well. You do have this guy.
He is talented. You have to pay him, so you
might as well play him some How do you handle that?
Look at the way I would handle him is vert
real simple. I would just bring I would bring him back,
make him earn his way back onto the team. I

(01:28:36):
wouldn't give him anything. I don't think you can. I
think you lose your team if you do that. You
know he's been He's been in Miami, you know Jet
Ski and as John Martindale said, and meanwhile, everybody's been
in camp since July. I don't think you just turned
around the hand out starting jobs. You've got to earn
him back, and the way Connors played, you'll lose your
team if you don't. And the other thing is if
you give him too many reps, he's gonna puol a

(01:28:57):
muscle and he's gonna miss you in a significant time.
I mean, just look Leonard for Nett. Not that he
missed camp, but once the back pools, it's hard to
get it back. We saw it with other players in
the league. So I would bring them back. I would
take my two week exemption that the league's gonna give me.
I wouldn't dress him for two weeks. I would go
about my business and I would integrate him back in
until he proved that he practiced hard and wanted to

(01:29:19):
help the team, and he showed his teammates he wanted
to come back, not just me. Michael Lombardi joining us
in the Doug Ot Live Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Let's get to the Baltimore Ravens. Joe Flacco has got
a hip issue, may cape him out this week. They
gave the guys a bunch of time off, and there's
the thought of using Lamar Jackson, but you've got to
completely change the offense. Then he got r G three there,

(01:29:41):
who actually won the backup job. Um in the preseason,
what do you do of your Baltimore? I really think
Baltimore desperately needs to get Lamar Jackson more integrated. If
Taysom Hill can have a significant role for the New
Orleans Saints, why can't Lamar Jackson Half one. I mean,
Taysom Hill has been out standing. He runs hard, third

(01:30:01):
and two. They put him and Drew Brees is having
an m v P season. He doesn't seem to have
a problem being extended out. Taysom Hill control a pass.
Lamar can throw way more passes. So I think the
I think the Ravens are doing themselves a disservice. They
don't make enough big plays on offense for them to
not utilize the skill set of what Lamar Jackson can bring.
And it can't be just a trick play here or there.
They've got to have them involved with the offense and

(01:30:23):
they've got to utilize his skill set. To me, it's
now or never for Baltimore. Look, they all know they're
getting fired if they don't advance into the playoffs. That's
not been a secret that owners mandated at back last spring.
We either go to the playoffs or I'm cleaning house.
And if that's the case, then I would utilize all
the talent that I have a board to try to
get there. I think they're I think they've done a

(01:30:44):
poor job offensively of trying to utilize the skill set
of Flacco and then trying to integrate what Lamar Jackson
can do. They just just want to run their plays
and they don't seem to be adhering to what their
talent based tells them. Doug Gatlin show here on Fox
Sports Radio that that's the voice of Michael Lombardi. A
lot of people have been praising the l A Chargers.

(01:31:05):
They're set to get Joey Bosa back. They handled their
business well enough against the Raiders, but now they lose
Denzel Perriman as their middle linebacker. How much does that
change them? Well, I think it's gonna hurt him. Hayes
Pollard isn't the same player, obviously. I think Bosa back
will help. But I didn't think they played their a
game yesterday. They really didn't look as sharper as Crisp. Offensively,

(01:31:25):
Melvin Gordon was sensational. I mean, you talk about the
screen pass, Wow, what a play. But to me, I
think one of the greatest runs I've seen this season
was the fourth and one that he got three yards on.
It looked like he was gonna lose five yards. I mean,
that was one of the best runs I've ever seen
in my NFL career. It was remarkable. He had him
pinned on the silent and yet he gained They gained
two more yards. I didn't think Rivers was as sharp

(01:31:46):
as he's been in the past, and I just didn't
think their team was in it. The good part was
that didn't miss the field or an extra point. Now
that's something to celebrate if you're a Los Angeles Charger fan.
I think they got to take their game up a notch.
They played to the level of the Raiders, and they
played well enough to beat him. But I think they
got to get much better and they've got to improve,
and they can't let have these laws because these laws

(01:32:06):
will create some issues for him. Michael Lombardi joining us
on the Doug Gottlib Show. How good are the Bears?
I think that's the great question. Look, the Bears level
of cops and the teams at the Bears have won
six games against combined records eighteen and thirty seven, you know,
and the Bears have are the beneficiaries are really of
a soft schedule other than playing the Rams in Los

(01:32:27):
Angeles having to go to Minnesota. I don't think there's
a hard game on their schedule left. They're gonna make
the playoffs. I think now we're gonna see what Mitchell
Robinsky can do. I love how all the Chicago media
saying the national media doesn't understand. You know, we do
get direct TV, we do get the Sunday ticket. We've
seen every Bears game and going into last week, Mitchell
Robinsky was nine on frozen over ten yards eight eight

(01:32:50):
eight touchdown, six interceptions. A lot of his work is
done behind the line of scrimmage or within ten yards.
Yesterday he made a couple of froz Broke broken coverages. Look,
the Lions defense are one of the worst secondaries in football.
They didn't have Darius Flay. They give up an opposing
quarterback rating of a D twenty, and they give up
a ton of big plays. I'm gonna temper it back
a little bit, like, let's not put Ribsky Intenton just

(01:33:12):
quite yet. I'm with you. I'm with you. And I
talked to a couple of defensive coordinators in the league
and they're like, look, pre snap, they're really good. But
but he already makes up his mind where he's gonna
go with the football before the football has snapped. And
when you get to November and December, that's when a
lot of that's let that when people figure out what
you're gonna do before you do it, that's when all

(01:33:34):
of a sudden, you gotta think on the fly. And
there's a lot of questions about his accuracy pushing the
ball downfield, and uh and and and and mentally, whether
or not he can go through those progressions when the
first read that he was convinced was going to be
there isn't there is that fair, no doubt I see it.
I see it exactly the same way. I see it,
more of a running back than a quarterback. He can

(01:33:55):
make some loose plays if you don't contain him in
the pocket. But I'm not down that road, you know.
I think that he's going to have to prove against
really Mike Zimmers week off the defense where Mike Zimmer's
got some athletes and he can disguise coverages and he
would take away that short game. Look, the New England
Patriots have gotten beat there. They are two and three
on the road this year, and their three losses were

(01:34:16):
by are by double digits. They're not a good road
team this year. And they walked into Chicago. The score
was not as close as the game actually ended up being.
And I think that's really an indictment of really what
the Bears are. Michael Lombardi joining us on the Doug
Gottlive Show here on Fox Sports Radio. How concerning is
not just that the Patriots were beaten, but how handily

(01:34:37):
they're beaten. Look, guy, as I said, they're a bad
road team. I mean, you have to go back to
two thousand and thirteen. It was the last time that
they didn't play as well on the road. They were
four and four that year. This year there two and three.
They're gonna have to sweep the remaining three road games
just to get about five hundred. Typically this is a
six and two, seven and one road team that always is.
I mean Tom Brady did not play well yesterday. He's

(01:34:58):
been sacked ten times Doug on the road so far
this season. That's so that's to a game averaging under
seven yards per tenth on the road. This year. They
haven't been able to get the ball down the field.
They haven't been able to make explosive place. They do
not look like the same team. Even though they played
against Green Day and played well, it took some trick
plays to do it. I think they're they gotta work

(01:35:18):
ahead of them. They've got to get much better on defense.
I mean, they could not stop Marcus Mariota yesterday. They
couldn't stop they could not stop the run game. They
couldn't stop Corey Davis, who typically he's had one past
play over fifty yards the entire season. He said none
others over twenty five yards until yesterday when he made
a couple of big plays. They've got a lot of

(01:35:39):
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Doug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio. Let's welcome in Chris
Mannix Big story over the weekend Jimmy Butler dealt from
Minnesota to the Philadelphia seventies Sixers. Plus there's Carmelo Anthony news,
plus the Lakers win and Lebron statistically plays well but

(01:36:47):
chokes a couple more free throws. A lot to get to.
Let's dig in with the friend of the show, Chris Mannix. Mannix.
Let's let's start with Jimmy Butler. Um on paper, Now,
you have three stars in Philadelphia, but you can you
to shed guys that are shot makers. It's a shotmaker's league.
How much better are the Sixers adding in Jimmy Butler.

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I think they're better, Doug, and I think it was
a move that they had to make given where they
stood and and really the ceiling that they had compared
to a Boston, Toronto and even in Milwaukee at this point.
But you're right, it's there's no guarantees with with what
this group can do. I mean, you know, you put

(01:37:27):
Butler out there on the floor. He's a high uth
of rake guy, especially in the fourth quarter. What do
you do with Ben Simmons. Ben Simmons is obviously not
someone that you know to be playing off the ball
would be any kind of threat because he's attempt at
zero three's this year, and is it all interested in
shooting from beyond fifteen feet or so out of the
way and they don't have shooters at the surrounding way. Now,

(01:37:49):
they could put JJ Reddick alongside Butler in the back
holde with Simmons at point and be effective that way.
But they sacrificed a lot of their depth, almost all
their real depth. They've got a gaping hole right now
at Power Forward that maybe Wilson Sandler can fill. Maybe not.
We'll see there. But when I talked to other executives
about the Sixers, there's a strong sense that there's one

(01:38:12):
more move to be made in Philadelphia. You know, there's
been some talk about Kyle Korver. Uh, you know he's
available obviously. In Cleveland. I wrote today that the six
have been pretty intensely scouting the Wizards over the last
couple of weeks. Uh, the Wizards might decide to blow
things up, and guys like Markeys Morris, uh, Kelly o'bray,

(01:38:33):
Jeff Green when he's Eligi was pre traded. Um, they
could be available. So you know where they are right now.
I'm gonna wait and see to see what else they
do over the next couple of months or determine if
they're a real threat. Chris Mannix joining us in the
Doug Otlib Show on Fox Sports Radio. I kind of
like Minnesota, like they lose their toughness and their grit.

(01:38:55):
But if you have two young stars that you're gonna
build around, you know, look Sarge in Covington. Guys that
can really stretch the floor in Covington, can garden multiple positions.
It's it's not a terrible place to be, is it. No?
I don't think it is at all. And you know,
we get obsessed at times, or at least fans some

(01:39:15):
medigan obsessed the times over the scumulation of stars. Maybe
it's because of what Golden State's done the last few
years with Boston is in the process of doing. But
you know, the best team in the East right now
is Toronto and they've got what won the half Stars
whatever you consider Kyle Lowry at this point, plus you know,
a deep and extremely talented bench. Pascal Siakam just won

(01:39:39):
the Player of the Week in the Eastern Conference. And
nobody's really good. Dylan Right's really good, Fred Beans Leech
is really good. He's got household names does. But as
several coaches have told me over the last a few weeks,
everybody in Toronto knows their role. Everybody knows exactly what
they're supposed to do and goes out there and execute it.
If you have that type of team, having two stars

(01:40:01):
that you need to two stars like Wiggans and Towns
to play at a high level, but having two stars
enough used to have quality role players. Doug otlib show
here on Fox Sports Radio. All right, let's let's get
to the Lakers where they win, but against the Hawks
who almost beat him and Lebron chokes a couple free throws.
Light now look to to Lebron's credit, he said afterwards,

(01:40:23):
I I stink right now at the free throw line.
What's the general sense you get? There was the call
on the carpet meeting with Luke after they came back
from from the road trip. They've won a couple of
games since what's what's the general sense you get of
the amount of happiness coming out of l A. I
don't think there's a lot of happiness at this point.

(01:40:44):
I think that there's a belief and it could be misguided,
I guess, but there's a belief that the more time
that goes by, the better this team is going again. Now,
I have some fundamental questions about that because I don't
think they're gonna morph into an elite defensive team because
I don't think they have elite defensive players. I mean Lebron,

(01:41:06):
but the three or four minutes the game he plays
high level defense is great. But then there's the other
forty four where at times he looks, you know, indifferent
out there on the defensive end. I don't think they
are going to be a high level three point shooting team,
you know, come the end of the season. So when
you lack those two key things that make up a

(01:41:27):
winning team in the NBA, I just don't have a
lot of faith in. I mean, don't don't click and
they'll ask what good runs and all that, because Lebron
is gonna shift years and these guys are gonna get
more comfortable playing together. But I've got real issues with
with just basic things, Doug, that this team really isn't
very good at. Yeah, there are no three and no
D that is anti two thousand eight team basketball. Let's

(01:41:48):
work away the Rockets who James Harden has been hurt obviously,
they had the suspension in the year, and then the
story comes out and there's been multiple uh uh in basketball,
NBA insiders say that the Rockets are getting closer to
releasing Carmelo Anthony, Like wow, that that that seems from
from starting early on and seeing how it works out too,

(01:42:10):
they're gonna cut him. How did this happen? How did
this precipitous decline happen so quickly? Yeah, that's my understanding
to duck And And it's not because you know, Carmelo
is this malcontent. It's just that he's not versatile. I
mean to put it in a different way. He's he's
kind of an analog player in a digital age. Like
he's a guy that can do and has done one

(01:42:32):
thing really well for the bulk of his career, but
he's not that great at anymore. That's being kind of
scoring in in isolation situations. There really isn't a big
market for it. So if he's not helping you defensively,
if he's not moving the ball and he's not making
the shots like he used to do during his prime years,
if you're Mike D'Antoni, you're looking at how you rank

(01:42:54):
your role players there's a handful of other guys. Don't
name guys that you want to use. I had of
Carmelo Anthony, So I think he's probably played his last
game with the Houston Rockets. I don't think his career
is over. I think you know, a team like Miami,
which at this point will sign anybody that would help them,
maybe Portland's which is that interesting Carmelo Anthony in the past,

(01:43:15):
they could take a look at him. But I think
his days in Houston or over. Wow, I mean that
happened fast, right, Like we're not even December yet. Surprised
because I thought I didn't well, look, I held out
hope that you know, that they could bring him in
playing against backups. He would really buy in. And it's

(01:43:38):
really hard to be a guy that plays thirty five minutes.
You're a go to guy your entire career, and hey,
we want you to be in a more efficient version
of yourself on a shorter period of time with guys
you don't normally play with and guys that aren't just
going to give you the ball. And you know, he's
he's he He's always been a three level score, but
the worst of those levels have been three point shooting,
and that's what he's done the most of But yeah, look,

(01:43:58):
I thought he was he's like her a shot last
year and but I am surprised that they didn't want
to see it through. That leads me to think he's
a little bit more of a mal content because, yeah,
I know they're saying all the right things that no,
he's just he's just not versatile. But I'd have to
think to not give him a chance to work through
the kinks of a different role tells you that he's

(01:44:21):
not really accepting of that role. He maybe more of
a mal content in Houston, but I haven't really you know,
dug into that part of it as deep as I
did last year with Oklahoma City. But he wasn't a
mal content in Oklahoma City. Just didn't work in Oklahoma
City and they are teamly would go to guys like
Jerry and Grant at the end of games to play

(01:44:42):
in instead of of Carmelo. And that's just the reality.
He's not athletic anymore. He doesn't defend, he doesn't move
the basketball. So unless you're like the alpha that can
do that, like a Kevin Durant and playing at that level,
you're just not much use as a rotation player to
a team that already has qualities. Ours. You mentioned Kevin Durant.
Let's go to the Warriors. Um, Steph's thing doesn't appear.

(01:45:05):
That's an adductor. That's an kind of interior muscle, uh like,
like in your groin. That's something that can can be mended.
But the Draymond stuff last year, the shoulder, this year,
the knee, And it's one of those teams where, look,
I I don't think Draymond on his own can carry
a team, but we also know that they don't win

(01:45:25):
three championships without Draymond Green. At what point in time
do we start to get concerned that the build up
of all of those games is just a lot for
Sean Livingston, Draymond Green, Steph Curry. I think people are
having this type of conversation around All Star. I mean
that's when you you get concerned. I mean, you know,

(01:45:45):
the the injuries are problematic, and I think we both
can agree that's the only thing that's going to derail
Golden State from winning it all this year. But in November,
it's hard to get two worked up, but especially about
a team that's coach Bagot and Steve Curvitt knows how
to manage these guys. That isn't going to burn them out. Now,
it might be motivate them to go out there and

(01:46:06):
you know, make a deal with Patrick McCaw or you know,
find somebody else they can they can fill into that
rotation before the deadline, something they really haven't done much
of in recent years. Maybe, but I'm still you know,
I still got to see what this team looks like
in January fed board. They're still dealing with the same
nix and bumps because they've just been down this road
too many times to be all that worried about him.

(01:46:27):
I know, Kyrie didn't play in the Utah game. He
did play and shot the ball terribly against the Portland
Trail Blazers. As the Blazers, you know, Big Three ended
up really taking it to them. They went a hundred
to Boston comes back makes a little bit closer as
of late, but Portland jumped out all over them early
in the game. Um, why the Celtics struggle? You think

(01:46:49):
and and and struggle is a relative term. This is
a team that I think, on paper, coaching staff included,
should be the best team in the East and they're
slightly above. No, they're they're struggling. That that's not that's
not soft pedaling. It's um. You know, they were, you know,
a great second half away from going on five in
this road trip. They should have lost the Phoenix the
way they played in uh in that game. You know

(01:47:12):
the big issue and we can you know, it goes
without saying that Gordon Hayward not being Gordon Hayward yet
is a factor. You know, Kyrie is coming off a
major neat surgery and always been playing you know, five
on five for a couple of months. But I don't
like the starting lineup at all. I don't like the
rotation at all. And I think when they get back
to Boston to play on Wednesday, you might see a

(01:47:33):
change in that starting lineup. I mean, I understand what
Brad Stevens was doing in starting those five guys. By
doing that, you kind of avoid a tough conversation with
a Hayward or a Brown or Jason Tatum about being
a sixth man. By keeping out Horford at the five
and playing small ball, you're you're in a you put
yourself in in a good position to have these guys

(01:47:54):
be happy with their roles, but they just don't seem
to work together that whole road trip I was on
the broadcast does for the entire road trip, they just
looked dysfunctional for most of the time. And one of
the reasons is they don't come out with energy. That's
why I got like Marcus Smart would work, and they
don't come They don't battle on the boards, which where
Aaron Baines would work. I think one of those two

(01:48:15):
guys is going to find their way into the starting
line of over the next couple of weeks. I don't
know who you have the conversation with. It's probably gonna
beat Jalen Brown, but I think that line of needs
to change or Boston's during the corner. I I honestly
absolutely agree with you. I think you start. I think
it's kind of easy. You start Banes at the five.
A lot of people, a lot of teams start big
and then go small right, and Jalen Brown will play.

(01:48:36):
I don't think you can put Marcus Smart in there,
just because you know as as smart as just he's
the He's the perfect kind of backup combo guard. Um
obviously continues to struggle with the shooting in spite of
the new contract. And then you got the rosier thing
who wants to play more minutes but there's just not
any more minutes to be had. It's fast. I would agree,
I would agree with you. I would agree with you

(01:48:58):
on beans to the extent that they're come some concerned
league live. You know, if al Horford can guard every
four that's out there, I don't know if he has
a quickness anymore necessarily do that? The only you know,
the only reason Smart makes some sense. It looks Marcus
Smart has more irrational screen confidence then I think anyone
has a rational compass, but anything in their lives, like

(01:49:19):
he just continues to suit no matter what happens with
that shot. But they've really lacked energy early on in games,
a compensive complacency. At least with Marcus Smart out there,
he's a bulldog. He's getting you extuf those games early.
Maybe live with the poor shooting from Smart to get
that energy to start these games. That's fascinating to see. Man,
it's great stuff. Man, love what you're doing on the
broadcast and uh always Regionality and Sports Illustrated. Chris mannis

(01:49:43):
joining us in the Doug Out Leap Show. MANX. Thanks
so much you got, Doug. Let's get you to Dan
buy Er find out what else is going on in
the world of sports. What do you got, Dan? Yeah,
Warriors getting Draymond Green back tonight. Steph Curry got that
growing as you guys talked about, gonna miss tonight against
the Clippers. Also all tomorrow against the Hawks. Some news
from Major League Baseball, Bryce Harper, Dallas Kaiko Craig Kimball

(01:50:05):
all declined their qualifying offers from their teams, making them
free agents. AJ Pollock and Patrick Corbyn did as well
as did Dodgers Ketrick has Monty grandall so six players
and all heading to free agency and Major League Baseball.
Dodgers pitcher On jan Rio did accept the team's qualifying offers,
so he'll be back with l A Giants and forty

(01:50:25):
tonight eight fifteen Eastern Time to wrap up a week
ten Giants. Next week have the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, who
will have Ryan Fitzpatrick as their starting quarterback. Buck's head
coach Dirk Cutter said today they are sticking with Fitzpatrick.
Despite just three points yesterday against the Redskins, Fitzpatrick did
throw for over four hundred yards in defeat. Bucks did
cut kicker Chandler Kenton Zaro today after two missed field

(01:50:46):
goals yesterday. Ram's wide receiver Cooper gonna miss the rest
of the season with a torn a c L. Chargers
lonebacker Denzel Perriman done for the season as well with
hamstring and knee injuries, and Eagles corner Ronald Darby done
for the season with a torn a c L that
did occurred during the last night's lost to the Dallas Cowboys.
And of course, the Saints made headlines last week by
signing Dez Bryant, well then he ruptured his achilles on Friday.

(01:51:06):
Today the team signed free agent wide receiver Brandon Marshall. Dog. Yeah,
it's kind of interesting doing that game yesterday, as uh,
you know, you're doing the game and you knew Dez
Bryant wasn't going to play, and so they hand you
it was about so an hour and a half before
the game, they hand you kind of the actives and
the inactives, and um, I we had been down on

(01:51:29):
the field me and um Brian Baldinger is doing the
game and he's like keeping on. Keith Kirkwood. Keith Kirkwood
ends up being signed off the practice squad. He was
a UFA undrafted free agent out of Temple six three
to ten, like they're gonna use them today. They actually
hit him for like a forty yard game. Uh As,
that was their their most explosive forty two yard game,

(01:51:50):
the most exports supposed to play of the day. Everything
else was kind of dink and dump. Even you know,
mark Ingram had a twenty eight yard but that was
just a little screen pass catch and run he took
for a touched out. But it's it's so so I
did buy or I did my first you know, play
by play game yesterday radio, and Joe Buckett was right,

(01:52:10):
you do. You gotta write it yourself and write it
exactly how you're gonna you're gonna pronounce it, because otherwise
you'd screwed up. C J. Wh Who's Zoma? Yeah? And
you know you're right. And what happens is you look
down and you've got like a split second you see
his number. You gotta know the number, know the name,
bam and and get it. And even then sometimes you

(01:52:32):
know you don't on radio, you do have the ability
to take a second to react. As he said, you
know you can lie about it. But and I knew
the first touchdown catch I knew was Michael Thomas. Um.
But there was a time when you know, Kirkwood comes
into the game, He's wearing eighteen, Thomas wears thirteen. Michael
Thomas is about the same size and from the press

(01:52:54):
box looks about the same as Keith Kirkwood. And I'm
just telling you it's you've gotta have a really good
spotter and and see his number flash as eighteen right
before he catches the football. Depending on angles, sometimes you
can't see it at all. It's really really a fun exercise,
but it is one of those things that the hardest
thing to do is to get an opportunity, but then

(01:53:15):
you need to do it once or twice before you
know exactly what you're doing, right, Like that's that's really
kind of my biggest takeaway. The numbers of three, six, eight, nine,
all kind of that same rounded fought if you will, yes,
and yeah, you've got to figure out ways. And now
with wide receivers, that's all they want to the numbers
and the teens. So soonhen you have a team that
has uh four wide receivers, you've got to figure out

(01:53:38):
different ways to decipher them, and well, how about this,
they go with Taysom Hill right around the goal line, right,
so you go. So they came in first possession. They
used him twice on zone restuff. Taysom Hill is a
little bit bigger than Drew Brees. He's like six too,
whereas Drew Brees is probably six ft tall. But you
know again from the press box, and one is seven
and one is nine. If you look at the Saints

(01:53:59):
why uniforms, the black numbers seven and nine if you
see only the front, very very similar. And then you're
just so used to Drew Brees, like I knew Taysom
Hill came in the game, but you're he he usually
plays either in the slot, h back, sometimes wide receiver.
Then you wait, wait, Drew Brees is out wide, Taysom
Hill under center, fakes the handoff, takes it out of

(01:54:20):
the end. He's gonna score a touchdown like it happens.
It's really it's it's very very interesting. Did Taysom and
I didn't see the whole game. I didn't see a
lot of it, to be honest. Did he ever give
up the ball on an option or was he always
he did? He it's a great He did not, but
he did throw a jump pass. So they used him
in the first half. Second half. They second half, they

(01:54:41):
start on defense, they get the ball, they marched right
down the fifth You know, every time they got the ball,
they scored yesterday until they took a knee and they
started taking a knee with two minutes to go, and
they could have taken a knee with like five minutes
to go. That sucker was so out of um. I mean,
Dwayne Washington got eleven carries. Did you know Dwayne Washington
was on the Saints. Uh. I only saw to the

(01:55:01):
box score, but we did not come in. I'm like DWIGHTE.
Washington's in the game we've been. We didn't call him
a sleeper. Yesterday in our fantasy show. They lined up,
they lined up zact line at at running back as
as well right. They made sure everybody got carries anyway,
So Taysom Hill started the second half. He ends up

(01:55:22):
he comes in back to that that kind of wildcat package,
if you will. They put Drew Brees out wide to
the left. He fakes the handoff and then runs up
to the line of scrimmage and then throws a jump pass.
To Benjamin Watson, but threw it behind him. But they
ran the Tim Tebow jump pass, and then they get
down to the one inch line right and Breezes back
under center, and it's Breeze who jumps up over the

(01:55:42):
center and gets the touchdown. And you're sitting there and
you're kind of I understand what it must be like
on defense because the Saints do it really really quickly,
where all of a sudden, the same guys are in
the huddle and now Drew Brees is out wide and
Taysom Hills under center behind center, and you gotta figure out, Okay,
what does this mean? Matter of seconds? Did you were
you able to fill because you were actually the worst

(01:56:04):
situation that there is when there's a blowout game, even
if it's if it's not a good game, if it's close,
they're still But were you guys able to fill well
enough with look I got I mean you you obviously
know Brian Baldinger is an encyclopedia um. But you're still
the difference in radio and TV is you still have

(01:56:26):
to call the game, so there's not as much phil.
You know, you still end up I D and the
players and I D in the plays, and yeah, Baldi
end up filling And we did talk about if the
Saints were the best team and how to slow down
the Saints and and boy do the Bengals look bad?
Is this is their defense that bad? Or is the
Saints offense this good? Yeah, we had some we had
some Phil stuff, but it is different than doing Phil

(01:56:49):
on basketball, where here's what's amazing. So I go to
Cincinnati on a Friday and I have Xavier Evansville and
then then I have the Bengals and Saints. I was
convinced that via Evansville would be the blowout and since
he versus New Orleans would be the close game. Evansville's
down fifteen the first half. Hell, they they tied it

(01:57:09):
up early in the you know, in the midway through
the second half. That was a really close, hard fought Again,
that was a fun game to call. Whereas the Bengals
in the Saints, that sucker was over. As soon as
the Bengals got stopped they got a penalty on fourth
and one on on the Saints forty yard line in
the first half. Soon as that happened and they had
to punt, that was basically the ballgame. It was over.

(01:57:29):
After that, well, congratulations on the first game. And you
know I thought it was Gonny Award. You can send
the money Cony Award to work. I'll share it with
all of you guys. It was fun. I was probably terrible.
Hopefully none of you heard it and destroyed the tape.
But I do wish to get another opportunity. I think
I'll be better the second time round Baldinger was was

(01:57:50):
was amazing. Doug Gotlib Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
All right, we're gonna hear more from Buyer up coming next.
Don't blame Jon Gruden by Mark Davis. Find out why next.
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Fox Sports Radio will make our Monday night football picks
on this really hard to watch Monday night football game
upcoming not hard to bet on though, um my college
picks were four and one? Were they not? Ryan Music
my college picks four and one. I picked all faves. Um,

(01:58:34):
thank you, thank you had notre Dame, I had Nebraska,
I had Michigan was the only one that didn't hit.
I believe correct, Michigan was the one that that did
not hit. I had Ohio State thanks to Michigan State's
late collapse. Uh and I stayed the hell away from
Oklahoma State. Oklahoma wa a great football game where Oklahoma
State decided to go for two because they missed a
kick earlier in the game. Go for two? And how

(01:58:55):
do I receiver open? But uh uh the ball was
was not accurate anyway, great, hard fought bedlam h NFL
picks were what what? What? Ryane music? I thought I
had a great question. It's a very good question. You
don't remember. I don't have it in front of me
right now. Awesome, thanks for being well prepared for the show.

(01:59:18):
Let's get to Dan Buyer and get to the price
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hit me with like, I don't know, I think we
can get six or seven stories. Okay, all right, we'll
start off with the NFL Raiders. Owner Mark Davis said

(01:59:40):
in an interview with ESPN dot Com that people shouldn't
blame Jon Gruden for the Khalil Mack and Amari Cooper trades,
and instead they should blame him. Specifically about Mac, Davis
said that he was the one who said Max should
be traded because he got the sense that Mac was
going to pull a Levy on Bell and not report
to the team at all this season. I can't blame him.

(02:00:03):
And look, by the way owners own, I know that
no one is arguing that Khalil Mack is awesome, but
Khalil Max awesomeness because that erase the fact that the
Raiders had no cash on hand, would have no cap space,
and that getting two first round draft picks for a
guy that might not have played for them, they weren't

(02:00:24):
going to sign him for a ninety million dollars guarantee period.
And until you start with that as uh, that as
the starting point, then you know, getting mad at at
Mark Davis or Jon Gruden is just silly. The Rams
gotta win yesterday against the Seahawks. We talked about Cooper
cups injury. But something else happened during that game, as

(02:00:44):
it was revealed the Rams will play a preseason game
in Honolulu, Hawaii next year. Preseason football going to honoluze.
I think that's great. When now they've lost, do they
still have the Pro Bowl there? Pro Bowl go away?
It's been a few years since it's been there, so
there's a little bit of aim make good for the
Pro Bowl. Um, I think it's I think it's great.

(02:01:07):
You know, guys don't really want to play in the preseason,
but do you want to go to Hawaii? The answer
is yes, they've played like the whole thing makes sense
to me. Um. Although Hawaii in August is not Hullulu
in August is not as perfect as one would think,
It's still close to paradise, but not perfection. Doug, just
one tweet today from former Ohio State assistant coach Zack Smith.

(02:01:31):
How about Zack Smith on Twitter last night? Wow set
the Twitter world ablaze with the accusations made against Texas,
said coach Tom Herman. I'll let you read for yourself
what he wrote, but he's tweet today said quote. Anyone
that knows me or has followed me on social media.
Knows I would only be a quiet little trooper for
so long. Phonis need to be exposed. I will not

(02:01:53):
lay down. I will not let lies and liars thrive
at my expense. The truth shall set you free. That
from x Smith today. Okay, okay, cool hook them? Yeah right, yes,
that was the response on the text exchange between Zack
Smith and Tom Herman. Yeah, there's there's talk of some

(02:02:15):
sort of Asian missus and you're gonna have to go
to Twitter for that one. Um. In this plage, the
role of General Sherman will be played by former High
States assistant Zach Smith. He will burn everything to the sea.
According to our report from go power cat dot com,

(02:02:37):
it's a case state fan page. Former Kansas State football
players that transferred after their Cactus Bowl win in December
against U c. L A aren't getting rings from that
bowl game victory, being penalized for transferring out of the program.
He's got a problem with that, not really, um one.
I don't think you should get a ring for winning

(02:02:57):
a Cactus Bull and if you don't stay, you can't
get the ring. Right. It's like it's like going to
the bar Mitza party. If you didn't go to the
bar Mitzvah. You know dn't do that. The Warriors getting
Draymond Green back tonight, but no Steph Curry as they
face the Clippers one other Warriors note. The Warriors are
gonna be selling passes to Oracle for the rest of

(02:03:20):
the season that don't have seats. You can't watch the game, Doug,
But what you can do for a hundred dollars a
month just hang out, Yeah, at the restaurants and bars
inside the arena, watch it on TV inside the arena. Well,
I mean to me, this is this I would buy
it in a heartbeat because you're gonna get into most
of these games, right. It makes it really hard on

(02:03:42):
security in the fourth quarter when dude starts splitting another
guy started hopping in. But that's what I would do.
I would buy it, and then as soon as somebody leaves,
I would ask for their ticket and then snail or
just sneak in bag it out there and pressed. That
was the press who wins the night? Ryan Music, I
will go with the Giants. Uh, do you have a
reason why. I just think the Mullins era is gonna

(02:04:04):
come to an end. Mullins magic, what about you, John Ramos,
I like the Giants, Okay, the San Francisco for are
three point favorites. What about you, Dan Buyer, I'll go
forty niners. I'm taking forty niners. It matters still to
the forty niners were I just think the Giants are
a mess. Back tomorrow. Stefan Diggs joins us in The
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