November 15, 2018 • 43 mins
Doug tells you why LeBron James' dominance is starting to remind him of the Patriots and Alabama football. He reacts to the breaking news that the Rockets have released Carmelo Anthony. Grizzlies PG Mike Conley joins the show to tell Doug why people are overreacting to the Draymond Green and Kevin Durant argument.
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a great show for you, great show for you today?
Ha ha. Clinton Dix is going to join us a
little bit later on the show. We'll get his thoughts
on why why he was the odd man out. He's
gonna join us, I believe. In fifteen minutes, Mike Gunley,
who sat last year for the Grizzlies with injury, returning
for the grizzle get his thoughts on what that's like
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to watch as the team appeared to intentionally put itself
in position to not win games. They did not tank.
I cannot accuse the Grizzlies and tanking, but they did
seem to put themselves in a disadvantageous situation in fourth
quarters time. And again Edward Or will join us, Mike
Perrero will join us, man, and we lead you up
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to Thursday Night football, which is a good one. Green
Bay Packers taken on the CSX two team mentor one
team lose and crazy things tend to happen in front
of the twelfth Man. But let's get to what happened
last night. Lebron James, Right, Lebron James. Happened last night?
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And if you've listened to my All Ball podcast, which
will drop tomorrow, it's really good. If you've listened to
me on this show, which you should because it's really
really good, you know that I feel like I'm the
only realist with Lebron James. You've got the skips of
the world saying that he doesn't ever want to take
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a game winning shot, that he doesn't have the killer instinct,
and then you have others that he's the greatest player
of all time, and I'm somewhere in the middle. I
do think at times he thinks, and in the past
he's thought about his shooting too much. I also think
he's getting more credit now for his defense, which has
been subpart, to say the least, most of this season
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and most of last season, because previously in his career
he was a better all around defensive player. He's an
incredible basketball player. Incredible he wouldn't be my my all
time greatest player. But I'm not gonna sit here and
tell you're a complete and total idiot if you put
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him as your all time greatest player, like it. The
gap is not so great that you sound like an idiot.
If you go like, yeah, he's the best player I've
seen him play. The rules are different, they're more advantageous
for how he plays uh and playing in the East
has allowed him to have this run of consecutive finals.
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Like I can't find little things to be realistic and
tell you why. It might not be as impressive as
you think. But look the dudes, what fifth all time
now and scoring? Got a chance to be the all
time scoring king. He's been to all these NBA finals,
He's won a couple of championships when two in Miami
and one in Cleveland. Like you know, I'm not gonna
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sit here and tell you he stinks. But last night
was one of those nights that I had been waiting for,
that most people been waiting for. Lebron James is averaging
more points than he's average since two thousand and ten
and playing the fewest number of minutes um per game
in his career. Last night, he was thirteen of nineteen
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from the field, five of six from three point range,
and even he had said he had stunk from the
free to the line thirteen and fifteen, including making a
couple of game winning free throws. In thirty six minutes,
he had forty four points. In thirty six minutes, he
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had forty four points, and he had ten rebounds and
nine assists. By any statistical measure, offensively, he was ridiculously,
incredibly and thoroughly dominant. And there's that Toby Keith song
that I like to call upon and as good as
I once was, but I'm as good once as I
ever was. He's not to that part yet. He's still
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really good. But we hadn't seen in the You know what,
let me just show you why I'm the greatest player
in the world, even if got Lavin some others disagree
with that assessment. And last night he showed us. Last night,
he showed us. So there is something unique about you.
Look at those top five scores, and four of them
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played wearing Lakers uniforms. You know, Karl Malone, Wilt Chamberlain,
Kobe Bryant, cream Abdul Jabbar and now Lebron James. The
only other name is Michael Jeffrey Jordan's. So there's happened
something kind of cool, something kind of clever, something kind
of unique, something kind of awesome about him doing it
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in a Laker uniform, albeit a non traditional purple Laker uniform,
which struck me as odd considering everyone knew he had
a shot at the record. But we said this about Brady,
we said this about Belichick, we say this about some
of the all time graades. Every once in a while,
they just get to remind you, like Oh yeah, they're awesome.
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Oh yeah, he's really really good. Now. The difference between
being uh still having greatness in you and being great
is how often can you call upon that? How consistently
can you come out and give us one of those efforts?
Is it you know they're fourteen games in? Is it
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once every fourteen games? Because that mean we're on track
for only seven or eight of these games all year,
which ratio wise, ratio wise, would put him at a
very very low rate right fourteen o one in terms
of great games all year. And even if he's the
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picture of consistency the rest of the year, you would
think more than four times he would have off seven
times he would have offensive explosions. But Lebron James, who
has figured out how to be efficient, a guy who
wasn't shooting well or he's making him now, wasn't making
free throws earlier, made them last night, and the and
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and and. Part of what makes guys have this greatness
is their ability at moments like this to rise their
level to the level of the actual moment. It's like
when Derek Cheater he had his three thousand hit, Do
you remember what it was? It was a home run,
do you remember what he did on his last last
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day in a Yankee uniform. He went five for five.
Like these guys have the ability to dial it up
on a big, momentous night, so that it's not he
didn't just passed in just pass the world Chamberlain's scoring mark.
That's that's only part of the story. It was that
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he passed it. And he had forty four and only
took him nineteen shots, and we took him thirty six minutes,
and he was and look, he did some of his
typical lebron stuff where you know, he gets fat driving
in the basket, did get hit on the head, but
he he acts as if it's blasphemy that they just
called a common foul when nobody was trying to hit
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him and try to block a shot and missed him
on the head. Sometimes his body gets contorted in bad ways.
The very next play he was fouled by Tyson Chandler,
So no one did anything purposeful to him. He still
had a couple of kind of odd celebration, almost winey
moments over getting fouled. But at the end of the day,
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forty four points, ten rebounds, nine assists in thirty six minutes.
There is nothing I can say that would be it,
could ever ever cast some sort of shadow or shade
on that level of perfection. The greatest of all time
or the greatest in the game can do that more often.
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But the fact that he can still do it, the
fact that he still has the fast ball to go to,
I think is the best news of any of the news.
If you're a Laker fan, be sure to catch live
editions so the Doug Dot Leaps Show week days at
noon eastern three pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and
the I Heart Radio app. Here's Draymond Green earlier today.
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I want she take a listen and then we'll all
kind of react to it by r. I know you
have other stuff to do, so if you have to
go do your other stuff, you do their stuff. Ramos Um.
I'd like to hear your opinion music as well. Eight
seven seven nine nine Fox. I will that's the phone number,
eight seven seven nine Fox. I'll give you my opinion
what he said. But here's Draymond in his own words. No,
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it's Kevin myself and made stronger. That's what it's gonna do.
So you know you think you saw something before. Good
luck with us. Now, we're not going to crambo off
for off of than argus when we don't move forward.
He went on to say that no matter what happens,
if he stays, he leaves. Went into this kind of
winding thing about no one can beat You're gonna have
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to beat us. We're not gonna be basically, we're not
gonna beat ourselves. What I took from it is a
couple of things. First, please don't start with the well,
you know in my if you did that where I work.
You don't think you don't work there. Okay, you don't
make forty million dollars. You're not in an all guy
locker room where you're around each other for eighty two
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games plus preseason games plus that's like a hundred a
hundred nights at least just working, probably a hundred and
forty nights, hundred fifty knights out of the year you're together.
That's too much. This is this is what happens even
with friends. And why would I could never talk to
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somebody like that, Like, first of all, yeah, I'm guessing
you or one of your friends have called each other
the B word before either an argument or when you're
messing with them, and sometimes when you're messing with them,
it becomes an argument. That doesn't mean I think Draymond
was messing when what Draymond is saying is, look, he
might leave, but he's not leaving because we got in
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an argument and because I called him out on some
of his other weak stuff, because I was being emotional
and defensive. That's why I mean. Draymond's argument was like, yeah,
that's who I am. And you know what it's not
about argument. Well, he didn't apologize now because he's like,
this is kind of who I am. I'm that a
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hole that's willing to say whatever the hell everybody else
bites their lip about, that's who I am. And I'm
sorry for the way you took it, which is a
non apology apology. But but the biggest point that he
made was, Hey, he might leave, but he's not gonna
leave because we got an argument after we lost to
the Clippers. Come on, man, this stuff happens. It may
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not happen all the time, but it happens much more
often than anybody will lead you to believe. And this
guy is actually my friend, and we we're whatever form
of good whatever, however we function in conflict. That's how
will function. Some people are better that way. It's no
different than than than guys when they play basketball. Some
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guys are better shooters when they're open. Some guys are
terrible shooters when they're wide open. Some quarterbacks are better
when they have Payton Manning. If everything was on time,
in rhythm, he was the best that ever was. You
make him move a little bit, you change the flow,
you change the timing, you bump his wide receivers, which
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is what happened in the playoffs. Aaron Rodgers not nearly
as good in the pocket as as paid Manning. But
it gets muddy. There's dudes flying everywhere. You got to
throw a guy open because he can't get open himself.
Guess who you need? You need a ROJ. So what
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Draymond saying, It's like, look, this is how I operate,
and probably how KAD operates in his own mind. Draymond
probably thinks he needed to check k D. And Katie's
probably just tired of Draymond. You know, you get tired
of each other. You're tired of it. Sometimes you can
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be around each other too long. He didn't once say
that k D was or was not leaving. He didn't
once say that Clay was or was not leaving. What
he said was, if they leave, it's not because of
some arguments. And then I agree with be sure to
catch live editions. So the Doug Got Leap Show week
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days in noon eastern three pm Pacific. Mike Conley's back
and back above five and fighting for playoffs supremacies the
Memphis Grizzlies, and Mike joins us in the Doug Gotlip
Show on Fox Sports Radio. What's that like to miss
so much time last year? Oh? Man, it was. It
was tough. I don't think I've I've ever had to
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deal with anything like that in my in my career,
only playing twelve games in the season. Um, I've dealt
with injuries, but nothing that put me out that long.
And um and it was hard to watch. It was
hard to be a you know, you weren't around the
team as much. You're at home most of the time
watching them on the road, and just felt a real
distance and distance and the whole whole whole season. So
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it just was it was a tough year as a whole. Yeah.
And and the team made the decision, as I said,
to play younger let's just say play younger players down
the stretch of games. Um, look at that only increases
your very like look, but Mike Conley, we're fighting for
an NBA Finals without and we can't win. Um, considering
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the culture you guys had built, their culture toughness and
finding ways to win games, whether it was you know,
blood out of rock basketball or high scoring basketball. What's
you know the team was better off losing last year?
What's that that goes counter though, to the culture that
you guys have had. What's that like to watch? Yeah?
I think that was mainly one of the toughest parts
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of it was we had built something there. Um, still
have something here, but we built something over the years
of a winning culture that was behind nothing but um,
playing with all the hearts you had every night was
the biggest game of your life. Kind of deal, um,
and too kind of go from that to transition to
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you know, the younger guys getting opportunities and us losing
a lot of games, and it was just like, you know, what,
what is this? Who are we now? You know what happened?
You know all this is just happened so quick. Um.
So the transition was something I know that was tough
on me and had to be even tougher like on
somebody like Marcusol who had to play um through through
all that whole season. Yeah he had, he actually, but
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then he sat in the fourth quarter in time was close.
You guys did send him in the fourth quarter. It
was it was crazy, Mike kindly joining us in the
Doug Out lip show. I watched the game that I
don't think you would probably say you played all that well,
but it showed who you are and your your bull
of leadership. I think it was like a week ago
Wednesday and you guys, you guys beat you guys beat Denver.
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I think it was it was at home. That was
a home game. You beat him, and the way I
remember it, and I don't have the stats from me,
I think you only hit two shots, but the on
the second shot you hit was like the game winner.
That's when you signed that big contract. That that's what
it's really about in the NBA. It's not as much
about gross stats, like the next night you had thirty
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two and a win against the Sixers. It's about, Hey,
it's on me to get the ball and make something happen.
And at the end of the game, to take me
through what that's like to play a game in which
you don't shoot that well, you're not a huge part
of the offense other than facilitating and yet end of
the game, you know you gotta make a play. Yeah,
you know that that I think that's what UM. You
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know guys who who get that kind of opportunity to
get those kind of deals and UM and to be
given that kind of responsibility. That is your responsibility at
the end of the day. UM, regardless of how you
play leading up to the that point in the game,
if you go over twelve, or you're not feeling good
or whatever it may be, UM, you best believe that
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at the end of the game, the ball is gonna
be in your hands and you have to make a
play one way or another. So you know, for me,
that's been the since I signed that deal. That's been
the one thing that I've I've been able to hold
on too, is just knowing that in the fourth quarter,
I'm gonna have to make up regardless of how I've
been playing, UM, still believing myself it's so confidence to
go up and make a shot. UM, even though I've
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missed my last five or six, and you're leading up
to that point, you talked about making plays. Obviously you
made some last night as you guys go in and
beat the Bucks in Milwaukee, you take down Takedown Janice
and uh like look at the knock on Memphis. Has
always been your guys inability to shoot and score. I
think you scored sixty eight points in the second half.
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How much of it is the game evolving in more
three point shooting? How much of it is officiating that
the scoring seems to be so up in the NBA. Yeah,
I think it's a combination of both. I think the
league knows what they're doing when it comes to officiating
and trying to you know, allow for more opportunities to
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score um. But at the same time, I think more
guys coming into the league today, um, are you know,
being trained and and the ability to shoot three space
the court, you know, skit up and down, run fast
and get a lot of shot attempts up. So that's
what the league is doing. And uh you couple that
with you know, not being able to touch anybody on
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the defensive end, Um, you're gonna get a lot of
a lot of points scored. UM. And then now for us,
it's about can we be the team that plays defense
in this league. You know, we want to be one
of those few teams that do that. Um and maybe
that would be you know, our our our little niche
that keep it different from everybody else. How do you
do that? How do you when when so many NBA
guys like, yo, you just can't guard, you can't touch
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anybody can't guard you, buddy, How do you establish yourself
as a great def and some team we're the best
defensive team if so many of the rules and the
way the game is being officiated really limits that. Yeah, honestly,
we we've actually become more physical, you know, I think
we we almost just with your body, not with your hands.
Is that kind of like the Villanova type thing? Yeah,
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not with your hands. I think we were so used
to using our hands and grabbing and holding um and
now we're being taught to just use our chests, use
our body to get you know, upposed and personally even
more UM. And I think that the more physical you
are and you can play without your hands, the rest
eventually will stop blowing the whistle. You know, they can't
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call every single call and and eventually have to get
a wears on teams, you know, being having a guy
in your face every single time as you touch the
ball and every shock you put up. So that's the
kind of defense we're trying to implement. Um, we're not
there all the way, but we're we're getting there. What's
JB like? What's like to play for? Oh? David is great? Man. Um,
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he's actually pretty it's pretty tough. He's pretty tough. We work,
we work our bus off. So um, it was like literally,
you know, no time offer. You know, we'll come back
from a game and be right back in the arena,
you know, kneepads on every day, tape tape and the
ankles and and going at it. So um, you know
he's a really uh you know, he really does a
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great job disciplinary, a great disciplinary and for all the
young guys and keeping everybody in line and a great
role model for everybody as well. Mike Conley Junior joining
us in the Doug Gotlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Um,
now you have a campaign where you're raising awareness for
sickle cells. It's sickle cell trade or sickle cell or
all things sickle cell. What what's the campaign about? Well? Yeah,
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we um, Well, every year are do a Bowling Bash
event in September that raises UH money for wearing this
for sickle cell um not just a trade but all
things sickle cell um. I worked closely with the Methodist
Healthcare Center here in Memphis. UM listener there. I've worked
with Saint Jude UM and their sickle cell centers there.
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So we're just basically trying to raise the awareness and
find ways to you know, help those who are stricken
by the disease and UM and and you know, make
their lives a little bit easier. Because I actually have
two cousins who have the disease and UM growing up.
I know it's been really tough on them even to
this day is still tough on them and having to
see them deal with They kind of, you know, sparked
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the interest in me and wanted me to try to um,
you know, help out as much as I could. Your
your best friend you've ever played with in the pros?
Is who my best friend I've ever played with the pros?
And it's outside of Marcosol. I well, let's let's go
with Marcusol. Like you and Mark? How How tight are
you and Mark? In reality? We're we're brothers, man. It's
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it's like this nobody closer. I guess why I don't
even call him a friend. You know, it's just this
weird to think of him like that. You know, he's
he's always been there. Seems like we've always been connected
since day one. We were you know, dressed up in
the un form. And our families are tight, our our
kids are tight. I mean, it's just, uh, we're a
big family. Okay, So have you what's what's the worst
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argument you've ever gotten to them? Yeah? Um, the worst
argument might might be over Fifa. Uh, we're playing Fifa,
he's and I'm beating him and he you know, Barcelona
and I'll put Real Madrid and I beat him and
he'll get upset. Okay, but can you is there is
there a place you can't go in the argument, like
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can you not talk about you know, Pal has got
all his rings? Is there is there other places you
can't go that would lead to like a day or
two of bitterness where you're not actually talking. Um, I
don't think I've reached that yet. And I think we
everything we've gotten to, we've been able to like get
back to the ground level afterwards. So, um, there's been
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some times in games where we'll go at it, but
we'll be right back at you know, right back you know,
on the same level again the next place. I'm mean,
I don't know, we're kind of the same, uh, the
same demeanor at the end of the day. Well, I'm
asking that obviously because of this the k D and
Draymond thing. And look, some of the worst arguments I've
ever gotten into where some of my best friends I
ever played with, um. But but I you know, I
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also can't tell, like, what's the let what's the true
level of their friendship because they also have kind of
their their own thing going on. And I guess, you know,
without unfairly asking about somebody else's locker room. The question is,
does that stuff happen more often uh than maybe us
in the media give it credit where guys get into
it over an end of game situation and you're better
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with each other for a couple of days. That stuff does,
in fact happen. Man, that happens all the time. Um.
That happens every year. Everything I've been a part of it,
had it happened um at least at least season or
something like that erupts during a time out or UM
end game and locker room wherever you want to be. Um,
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it happens, and and for the most part is it's
it's at the end of the day, it's mildest, you know,
truth comes out, Guys get what they have to get
off their chests. Um, and you move on from it,
you know. So I don't know what exactly is going
on in Golden State, but I think they'll be fine.
I think it's something that is very normal in our
league and dific what happens that they they're on TV
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a lot and they you know, everybody's you know, they're
on their microscope and everything they say is hurt so um.
And you know, I don't think they'll they'll they'll be
hurt from it. Mike, Listen, this is great stuff you're
doing to help raise awareness. And I know you got
your bowling thing. Now, who's is Chris Paul better bowlder
than you? Because I know he has his bowling stuff too.
He claims to be the NBA's best bowler. Yeah, Dow,
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do you have your own ball? He has own ball?
I think I do. I have I have three ball.
I have three different balls, so I have I have
a couple of different ones. I'm getting better and better,
but I think Chris has me, has me by a
little bit right now. But if you've talked about golf,
I think I got him in the golf court. Fair enough,
fair enough, Mike. Thanks good to see you back healthy
on the court. Congrats on the window was a big
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one against the Bucks. After you guys beat the Sixers.
Right now, by the way, you're in first place in
the Eastern Conference. Unfortunately you don't play in the Eastern Conference.
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And let's start with tonight Thursday Night Football, huge game,
Packers on the road trying to kind of save their
season against the Seahawks. We have been much more competitive
than I think many people thought possible. How important is
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this game for Mike McCarthy's future. Well, you know, I
think you look at the two coaches and you have
a different feel for teams that are in him all
a predicament kind of for the reason that you mentioned.
You know, Pete Carroll's team has remained remarkably competitive in
a season where they've had really significant personnel turnover, really
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kind of a rebuilding job. And yet you know, they've
played the Rams well twice, uh, and have just generally
been competitive in every game. And there's been this great
inconsistency with with Mike McCarthy's team, and I think the
public views this is another season of the Packers coaching staff,
you know, failing to take advantage of the greatest quarterback
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in the game today or the player that many think
is the best quarterback in the game today and Aaron Rodgers.
And there's certainly tension in the McCarthy Rogers relationship that
doesn't exist in the Carol Wilson dynamic. In fact, you
could argue that Pete Carroll's worked to his own detriment
in many ways and supporting Russell Wilson within the organization.
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And I think, you know a lot of people have
issues with McCarthy and they he now is you know,
undermined a little bit because they change defensive coordinators last season,
so that kind of moved the target more in his direction.
They have a new general manager promoted from within UM.
But yeah, I think I think there's a lot of
pressure on Mike McCarthy, and I think one of the
ways that he can still save the Packers season is
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to be UM more two dimensional in the offense and
not use overuse Aaron Rodgers, not be overly reliant on
his quarterback to the extent that he's been this year
to this point, which is even more dramatic than normal. Uh.
He has a running option in Aaron Jones, who leaves
the NFL in average per carry. Seattle's proven vulnerable to
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the run. In fact, it's the worst run defense Pete
Carroll's had in in all his time there. So that's
something I think he needs to take advantage of in
this game. Tonight, Edward are joining us in the Doug
Gotlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Big story of
the week is Levian Bell, who decided to turn down
fourteen a half million dollars, sit out the entire year
and he'll be a transition to tag free agent, which
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means that technically Pittsburgh could match any deal, but the
likelihood is not strong there. What's his value? What what
is a guy who hasn't played, but a guy who
is a three down back in the NFL? What's his
actual value on the open market? Well, that re needs
to be determined. And you know, everybody's kind of mentioned
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that the New York Jets are a perfect fit and
they have a hundred billion dollars this offseason and money
to spend on free agents. But I just wonder what
kind of a dim view people are in the league
are going to take towards Levian Bell, who's still only
twenty six years old, um, but he was so easily
replaced by James Conner. The teammates have obviously gravitated towards
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Connor to the detriment of Levian Bell and the leverage
that he sought to have in his negotiations with the Steelers.
I wonder how many owners and general managers are going
to look at this guy as somebody who loves money
more than he loves football and is more committed to
making back as much as he can of this money
that he's lost, uh, and isn't playing so much for
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the love of the game that he puts other things first.
So I think those are you know, and he's a
player who doesn't have a flawless resume. He's been suspended before,
uh for for misconduct off the field. Uh So I
really don't think he's gonna be able to make this
kind of money up. I mean, he turned down thirty
three million guaranteed from the Steelers for this year and
next year trying to get Todd Gurley money. I just
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don't see that happening. His position has been devalued. Yeah,
there are a lot of great running backs, and teams
have invested high picks now and running backs again, we've
seen that, but Girle is really the exception in terms
of paying a running back. And I just don't know
that's gonna happen for Bell. And and I remember talking
to Ben Roethlisberger not too long ago, Doug, who said, hey, look,
Levian Bell, as you mentioned, three down back, he's the
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best player on our football team, myself included. But it
just seems there's a schism there that's hard. Going to
be hard for him to reconcile as he goes around
the league talking to coaches and general managers. Yeah, it's
gonna be interesting, and there's a little bit of the
Darrell Reeves right that even if you do get something
out of Levion Bell, will there be a moment in
which he doesn't like the contract and he chooses to
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shut it down again. Uh, you know, because he's shown
the he's shown that he doesn't money doesn't seem to
affect him. But no NFL player has sat out an
entire season under the franchise text and Sean Gilbert in
So that's that's what Levian Bell is looking to overcome,
is the stigma that will come with that in the
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front offices around football. Help me out with with um
Jalen Ramsey of the Jaguars, he had the tweet before
saying you know, basically, you're gonna miss me when I'm gone.
Now he comes back and says, I've said multiple times,
over and over and over and over and over and
over and over again that I want to play for
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one team my whole career. My guests would be The
backlash over his over tweet was so severe that he
had to come out and say this correct. Well, yeah,
I mean he was disciplined by by Tom Coughlin UH
and Doug marrone earlier the year. I don't. I don't
think there's anything all that dramatic about to happen with
Jalen Ramsey. I'm sure there's a great deal of frustration
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for him, like there has been with so many of
the other Jaguars players, about this downward spiral that uh
they've suffered. You know, they haven't been able to create
turnovers like they did last year. Uh, and they've gone
from a team that everybody thought would be in the
playoffs this year to a to a team that's not
gonna come anywhere close to, you know, rivaling the achievements
they had a year ago. Stug gotlib show on Fox
(31:38):
Sports Radio, Edward joining us as he always seems to
have more. Any idea what happens with Baltimore at quarterback?
As Flacco hasn't practice, but they haven't ruled him out,
but he's coming off a bye week and he still
doesn't seem right. He got Lamar Jackson, but he doesn't
doesn't feel like he's capable of running the real offense.
They have to change the offense. I think at RG three,
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who in the backup job? But everyone wants to see
Lamar Jackson. Any idea what happens to Ball more well,
John Harbaugh, the leaguer John Harball coaching for his own
job because I think there are a lot of people
in the league. They think he has to get to
a super Bowl to to keep his position with the
You know, this is being Ozzy Knewsom's final season, so
he's a little more vulnerable now that the person who
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hired him is no longer going to be in charge
next season. Um, but he is. He has very specifically
said that Joe Flacco was gonna start if he's physically
capable of doing so. He has a hip injury that
he suffered in their last game, and uh he was
able to play the rest of the game. I believe
he suffered it on the sixth play of the game.
Uh And Hardball has even gone so far as to
say he doesn't have to practice to play because he's
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spent the last eleven years practicing to play. Lamar Jackson
is the only first round uh you know, draft pick
a quarterback who has not yet started a game so far.
I don't really think the Ravens would have any misgivings
turning to him, uh if Flacco can't go. Uh And
and both of those players were sidelined today because Jackson
apparently has some kind of stomach ailment. Uh. And as
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you mentioned, Robert Griffin, the third was the only healthy
quarterback that they had at practice today. But there's a
lot of time between now on the game and and
my sense is that, uh, Flacco seems optimistic that somehow
Flacco hardball seems optimistic that Flacco will recover and be
healthy enough to play the game. Joey Bosa back practicing.
Will we see him this weekend against Denver? Uh? You know,
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they've been pretty vague on that they've waited a long
time for his return. I wouldn't be surprised if they
played him in a you know, certain pass rush situations.
And you know, Anthony Lynn told me a couple of
weeks ago, Hey, I've been preparing my team like we're
never gonna have Joey Bosa play again. But in my
own mind, I cannot wait for this guy to come back. Uh.
You know, they might be the third best team in
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the a f C. So I think he'll be very
careful with him, But it wouldn't surprise me if they
felt he was healthy enough for him to get some
pass rush snaps in Denver this week, Edward are joining
us follow him on Twitter at Edward or r f A,
or check out the Dooms Day podcast. Let's check in
now on the Dallas Cowboys huge win over the Eagles.
Let's let's let's let's start with the Cowboys themselves? Is
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all right with it? Like it's it's one week everybody's
gonna get fired and one week everything's good. I guess,
coming off and win, everything is good. I mean, as
their first road win of the year, and it's against
the Eagles, who have proven not to be really any
better than the Cowboys. I don't really know how anybody
can predict what the Cowboys are gonna do, what their
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current state is, when they haven't done anything with any
real consistency. I mean, they haven't won two games in
a row, or two road games in a row, as
they'll have to try to do this week when they
play at Atlanta, you know, since very late last season.
So it's been a very inconsistent, unpredictable team. That's kind
of how I still feel about him. I think this
is a big week though for Dak. Prescott obviously played
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well in the game the other night against the Eagles,
didn't turn the ball over the twenty one and one
when he doesn't throw an interception. But Ezekiel Elliott was
really the star of that of that performance. This is
a game in Atlanta where obviously their whole season turned
last year Elliott began serving his suspension. They played without
Tyrone Smith, their left tackle. They allowed it was really
(35:16):
coaching mouthfeasance by Jason Garrett, And that's what's gonna be
a point of emphasis this week in the media is
how poorly Garrett performed at a co as a coach
in that game, allowing his left tackle to give up
six sacks before he finally replaced him. Uh and and
belatedly so. Prescott suffered eight sacks in the game. Has
really not been the same since, nor has his protection
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been the same sense, But he's going back to Atlanta
this time with a real chance to exploit a bad
defense the Falcons have given up. Other than the first
week of the season, they've given up either a three
unit yard passing game or a three touchdown passing him
too every quarterback that they played. Prescott has not achieved
either of those feats yet this season, so the opportunity
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is there for him to turn it on and prove
people that he is capable of playing well in big games.
Last thing the other side of that was the Eagles losing,
and you said that Eagles have showed nothing to say
they're better than the Cowboys. I was discussing earlier in
the show. Jason Kelsey is like, hey, look, we gotta
all be more accountable. He went through all the veteran
guys last year that held people accountable, says, not just players,
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but it's coaches. Is this a lost season for the Eagles? Well,
you know, Doug, they're pinning fifty two Super Bowl champs.
Only six team haven't made the playoffs the next year,
and the Eagles seem likely to be next. Given that
there are two games behind the Redskins and there remaining
opponents have a combined win percentage of six forty one,
which is the highest of any team in the league.
I mean, this is a team that's, you know, got
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a lot of problems. Carson Wentz is if you look
at his numbers, he's had like m v P type numbers.
But the Eagles are two and three. Uh in this
stretch of games. Uh, they're the worst scoring team in
the first quarter in the NFL, worst than Buffalo, worse
than Oakland. So they're always playing from behind. They haven't
been able to create a lot of explosive touchdown plays
like they have last year. They're near the bottom of
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the league in that regard. They've got eight players on
I R and I think Doug Peterson, you know, you
have to remember he's still young head coach. This is
only his third year. He won a Super Bowl last year,
but he's lost significant help office staff. I mean, Frank
Reich was the offensive coordinator now he's the head coach
in Indianapolis, lost him, you know, very late when Josh
McDaniels pulled out of the opening there, and he lost
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his quarterbacks coach, John D. Philippos, the offensive coordinator of
the Minnesota Vikings now. So I think all of those
things are factors in what's happened to the Eagles this year,
and and it seems entirely possible, if not likely, that
they'll miss the playoffs. Awesome stuff from Edward or here
getting ready for Thursday Night Football. Follow him on Twitter
at Edward or r f A, or download and subscribe
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to the Doomsday Podcast. Add to the best. Thanks for
joining us. Thanks, do talk to you next week. Be
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Show weekdays in noon eastern three pm Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Here's Dan
Byros some break breaking news from Fox Sports. It's been
(38:06):
brewing for a week or so, Dug, but a report
from ESPN says the Rockets will officially part ways with
forward Carmelo Anthony at some point between now and prior
to tonight's tip off against the Golden State Warriors. So
the Carmelo Anthony era in Houston is coming to an end.
M hm m hmm. That is really soon. Um, none
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of us thought it would work, did we do? I mean,
do we think? But I thought he would like I
thought he would make it to the playoffs. I did.
I didn't think he would get cut by or did
you think this would be better? Or is this about
what you thought would happen. I didn't think it would
happen on November. I I just didn't see. I just
didn't see the value in adding him, especially from what
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they lost. So I didn't think that doesn't value. I
saw the value in this way. Okay, I think what
they remember they traded for Joe Johnson late last here,
and so what I think they thought, and they couldn't
get at Joe Johnson because he just didn't have anything left,
was they thought, hey, you know, when things break down
with our bench, if we have a guy we can
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just throw it to who can score and keep us
in the game. You know, that's better than one of
these other guys, is a three D guy that doesn't
have that ability. I think I thought that with Joe Johnson.
I think they thought it with Carmelo Anthony, and they
were wrong with both because you just once those guys
lose it defensively, once they lose it latterly. And they're
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also players from a foregone era. You know, they're they're
they're they're fullbacks in the NFL. You know, that's what
they are. They're fullbacks in the NFL, or they're blocking
tight ends in the NFL. They just it's a style
that isn't used all that often. And Carmelo Anthony can
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shoot threes, but that's the weak part of his three
level game. He's an unbelieved he was an unbelievable midpost
and low post score face up guy as well. He
could shoot, he could drive, he could post, he could
score three different levels, but the worst of those levels
is a three point shot. And then you know he's
never really guarded anybody, and it's hard to hide him.
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I think it's interesting, too, Doug, for a guy who
is such a name brand like he is. I mean,
we just call him Carmelo. We know who Carmelo is is.
It's difficult to hide that, especially to when you are
now on a team that was a game away from
the conference finals and now on a team that isn't
playing well to start the season. If he would have
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went to and I'll just use Memphis because Mike Conley
was on the show earlier. Let's say he went to
Memphis and had a poor start to the season, We're
not as focused on him there. We're only focused on
it would have been hidden more. Atlanta. Atlanta absolutely like
Vince Carter still in the league on the Atlanta Hawks,
a really really young team. We have no idea Vince
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is giving any effort defensively, what type of leadership he has.
But Vince Carter has made himself more than useful. He's
made himself into a mentor for the mentor for these
young guys. Whereas Mellow is he's like Alan Iverson and
that he's going to be out of the league probably
three or four years before he should because of all
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of the above, and probably because of so many places
he said he would never live and never play Yes
Ryan music. So you actually kind of started to answer
my question before I could ask it. But I was
just gonna say, like, do you think that this is
just it from Mellow? Because when I look at this situation,
I go, it clearly didn't work with the Thunder and
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it clearly didn't work with the Houston Rockets. So why
would any other team who's remotely a contender try to
convince themselves that it could work. Um, I think it's well,
first everybody has the go thinking it would work. I'm
sure that was also to a peace Chris Paul their best.
They're very very close friends. And I would even think
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Mike D'Antoni wanted, you know, like sometimes you want to
go and have whether it's closure or I don't think
you did it to make sure to prove that he
was right. But I also think Mike D'Antoni is a
confident a guy like you know what you want to
bring Mellow in we had a bad ending last time. Fine,
I'll be the big done bother me. So I think
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those are the three factors. But I just, I honestly
think that the Houston brain trust just believed, you know,
the analytics are smart, but we also just need somebody
who we can throw too, can get us a bucket,
so then we're not always shooting threes. And they didn't
realize all the other things that don't come with Carmelo
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Anthony that make it really difficult to play. The ball
stops moving, and he gets attacked every time defensively, and
he has no governor for if he's not making shots.
He's just he's never been a guy where he's not
making shots that he has to stop shooting. So but
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I am, I to him, stunned it happened this quickly.
I'll admit it. Stunned it happened as quickly
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a great show for you, great show for you today?
Ha ha. Clinton Dix is going to join us a
little bit later on the show. We'll get his thoughts
on why why he was the odd man out. He's
gonna join us, I believe. In fifteen minutes, Mike Gunley,
who sat last year for the Grizzlies with injury, returning
for the grizzle get his thoughts on what that's like
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to watch as the team appeared to intentionally put itself
in position to not win games. They did not tank.
I cannot accuse the Grizzlies and tanking, but they did
seem to put themselves in a disadvantageous situation in fourth
quarters time. And again Edward Or will join us, Mike
Perrero will join us, man, and we lead you up
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to Thursday Night football, which is a good one. Green
Bay Packers taken on the CSX two team mentor one
team lose and crazy things tend to happen in front
of the twelfth Man. But let's get to what happened
last night. Lebron James, Right, Lebron James. Happened last night?
(02:05):
And if you've listened to my All Ball podcast, which
will drop tomorrow, it's really good. If you've listened to
me on this show, which you should because it's really
really good, you know that I feel like I'm the
only realist with Lebron James. You've got the skips of
the world saying that he doesn't ever want to take
(02:27):
a game winning shot, that he doesn't have the killer instinct,
and then you have others that he's the greatest player
of all time, and I'm somewhere in the middle. I
do think at times he thinks, and in the past
he's thought about his shooting too much. I also think
he's getting more credit now for his defense, which has
been subpart, to say the least, most of this season
(02:49):
and most of last season, because previously in his career
he was a better all around defensive player. He's an
incredible basketball player. Incredible he wouldn't be my my all
time greatest player. But I'm not gonna sit here and
tell you're a complete and total idiot if you put
(03:10):
him as your all time greatest player, like it. The
gap is not so great that you sound like an idiot.
If you go like, yeah, he's the best player I've
seen him play. The rules are different, they're more advantageous
for how he plays uh and playing in the East
has allowed him to have this run of consecutive finals.
(03:31):
Like I can't find little things to be realistic and
tell you why. It might not be as impressive as
you think. But look the dudes, what fifth all time
now and scoring? Got a chance to be the all
time scoring king. He's been to all these NBA finals,
He's won a couple of championships when two in Miami
and one in Cleveland. Like you know, I'm not gonna
(03:52):
sit here and tell you he stinks. But last night
was one of those nights that I had been waiting for,
that most people been waiting for. Lebron James is averaging
more points than he's average since two thousand and ten
and playing the fewest number of minutes um per game
in his career. Last night, he was thirteen of nineteen
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from the field, five of six from three point range,
and even he had said he had stunk from the
free to the line thirteen and fifteen, including making a
couple of game winning free throws. In thirty six minutes,
he had forty four points. In thirty six minutes, he
(04:34):
had forty four points, and he had ten rebounds and
nine assists. By any statistical measure, offensively, he was ridiculously,
incredibly and thoroughly dominant. And there's that Toby Keith song
that I like to call upon and as good as
I once was, but I'm as good once as I
ever was. He's not to that part yet. He's still
(04:57):
really good. But we hadn't seen in the You know what,
let me just show you why I'm the greatest player
in the world, even if got Lavin some others disagree
with that assessment. And last night he showed us. Last night,
he showed us. So there is something unique about you.
Look at those top five scores, and four of them
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played wearing Lakers uniforms. You know, Karl Malone, Wilt Chamberlain,
Kobe Bryant, cream Abdul Jabbar and now Lebron James. The
only other name is Michael Jeffrey Jordan's. So there's happened
something kind of cool, something kind of clever, something kind
of unique, something kind of awesome about him doing it
(05:42):
in a Laker uniform, albeit a non traditional purple Laker uniform,
which struck me as odd considering everyone knew he had
a shot at the record. But we said this about Brady,
we said this about Belichick, we say this about some
of the all time graades. Every once in a while,
they just get to remind you, like Oh yeah, they're awesome.
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Oh yeah, he's really really good. Now. The difference between
being uh still having greatness in you and being great
is how often can you call upon that? How consistently
can you come out and give us one of those efforts?
Is it you know they're fourteen games in? Is it
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once every fourteen games? Because that mean we're on track
for only seven or eight of these games all year,
which ratio wise, ratio wise, would put him at a
very very low rate right fourteen o one in terms
of great games all year. And even if he's the
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picture of consistency the rest of the year, you would
think more than four times he would have off seven
times he would have offensive explosions. But Lebron James, who
has figured out how to be efficient, a guy who
wasn't shooting well or he's making him now, wasn't making
free throws earlier, made them last night, and the and
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and and. Part of what makes guys have this greatness
is their ability at moments like this to rise their
level to the level of the actual moment. It's like
when Derek Cheater he had his three thousand hit, Do
you remember what it was? It was a home run,
do you remember what he did on his last last
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day in a Yankee uniform. He went five for five.
Like these guys have the ability to dial it up
on a big, momentous night, so that it's not he
didn't just passed in just pass the world Chamberlain's scoring mark.
That's that's only part of the story. It was that
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he passed it. And he had forty four and only
took him nineteen shots, and we took him thirty six minutes,
and he was and look, he did some of his
typical lebron stuff where you know, he gets fat driving
in the basket, did get hit on the head, but
he he acts as if it's blasphemy that they just
called a common foul when nobody was trying to hit
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him and try to block a shot and missed him
on the head. Sometimes his body gets contorted in bad ways.
The very next play he was fouled by Tyson Chandler,
So no one did anything purposeful to him. He still
had a couple of kind of odd celebration, almost winey
moments over getting fouled. But at the end of the day,
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forty four points, ten rebounds, nine assists in thirty six minutes.
There is nothing I can say that would be it,
could ever ever cast some sort of shadow or shade
on that level of perfection. The greatest of all time
or the greatest in the game can do that more often.
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But the fact that he can still do it, the
fact that he still has the fast ball to go to,
I think is the best news of any of the news.
If you're a Laker fan, be sure to catch live
editions so the Doug Dot Leaps Show week days at
noon eastern three pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and
the I Heart Radio app. Here's Draymond Green earlier today.
(09:15):
I want she take a listen and then we'll all
kind of react to it by r. I know you
have other stuff to do, so if you have to
go do your other stuff, you do their stuff. Ramos Um.
I'd like to hear your opinion music as well. Eight
seven seven nine nine Fox. I will that's the phone number,
eight seven seven nine Fox. I'll give you my opinion
what he said. But here's Draymond in his own words. No,
(09:37):
it's Kevin myself and made stronger. That's what it's gonna do.
So you know you think you saw something before. Good
luck with us. Now, we're not going to crambo off
for off of than argus when we don't move forward.
He went on to say that no matter what happens,
if he stays, he leaves. Went into this kind of
winding thing about no one can beat You're gonna have
(10:00):
to beat us. We're not gonna be basically, we're not
gonna beat ourselves. What I took from it is a
couple of things. First, please don't start with the well,
you know in my if you did that where I work.
You don't think you don't work there. Okay, you don't
make forty million dollars. You're not in an all guy
locker room where you're around each other for eighty two
(10:23):
games plus preseason games plus that's like a hundred a
hundred nights at least just working, probably a hundred and
forty nights, hundred fifty knights out of the year you're together.
That's too much. This is this is what happens even
with friends. And why would I could never talk to
(10:44):
somebody like that, Like, first of all, yeah, I'm guessing
you or one of your friends have called each other
the B word before either an argument or when you're
messing with them, and sometimes when you're messing with them,
it becomes an argument. That doesn't mean I think Draymond
was messing when what Draymond is saying is, look, he
might leave, but he's not leaving because we got in
(11:05):
an argument and because I called him out on some
of his other weak stuff, because I was being emotional
and defensive. That's why I mean. Draymond's argument was like, yeah,
that's who I am. And you know what it's not
about argument. Well, he didn't apologize now because he's like,
this is kind of who I am. I'm that a
(11:26):
hole that's willing to say whatever the hell everybody else
bites their lip about, that's who I am. And I'm
sorry for the way you took it, which is a
non apology apology. But but the biggest point that he
made was, Hey, he might leave, but he's not gonna
leave because we got an argument after we lost to
the Clippers. Come on, man, this stuff happens. It may
(11:51):
not happen all the time, but it happens much more
often than anybody will lead you to believe. And this
guy is actually my friend, and we we're whatever form
of good whatever, however we function in conflict. That's how
will function. Some people are better that way. It's no
different than than than guys when they play basketball. Some
(12:15):
guys are better shooters when they're open. Some guys are
terrible shooters when they're wide open. Some quarterbacks are better
when they have Payton Manning. If everything was on time,
in rhythm, he was the best that ever was. You
make him move a little bit, you change the flow,
you change the timing, you bump his wide receivers, which
(12:36):
is what happened in the playoffs. Aaron Rodgers not nearly
as good in the pocket as as paid Manning. But
it gets muddy. There's dudes flying everywhere. You got to
throw a guy open because he can't get open himself.
Guess who you need? You need a ROJ. So what
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Draymond saying, It's like, look, this is how I operate,
and probably how KAD operates in his own mind. Draymond
probably thinks he needed to check k D. And Katie's
probably just tired of Draymond. You know, you get tired
of each other. You're tired of it. Sometimes you can
(13:16):
be around each other too long. He didn't once say
that k D was or was not leaving. He didn't
once say that Clay was or was not leaving. What
he said was, if they leave, it's not because of
some arguments. And then I agree with be sure to
catch live editions. So the Doug Got Leap Show week
(13:37):
days in noon eastern three pm Pacific. Mike Conley's back
and back above five and fighting for playoffs supremacies the
Memphis Grizzlies, and Mike joins us in the Doug Gotlip
Show on Fox Sports Radio. What's that like to miss
so much time last year? Oh? Man, it was. It
was tough. I don't think I've I've ever had to
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deal with anything like that in my in my career,
only playing twelve games in the season. Um, I've dealt
with injuries, but nothing that put me out that long.
And um and it was hard to watch. It was
hard to be a you know, you weren't around the
team as much. You're at home most of the time
watching them on the road, and just felt a real
distance and distance and the whole whole whole season. So
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it just was it was a tough year as a whole. Yeah.
And and the team made the decision, as I said,
to play younger let's just say play younger players down
the stretch of games. Um, look at that only increases
your very like look, but Mike Conley, we're fighting for
an NBA Finals without and we can't win. Um, considering
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the culture you guys had built, their culture toughness and
finding ways to win games, whether it was you know,
blood out of rock basketball or high scoring basketball. What's
you know the team was better off losing last year?
What's that that goes counter though, to the culture that
you guys have had. What's that like to watch? Yeah?
I think that was mainly one of the toughest parts
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of it was we had built something there. Um, still
have something here, but we built something over the years
of a winning culture that was behind nothing but um,
playing with all the hearts you had every night was
the biggest game of your life. Kind of deal, um,
and too kind of go from that to transition to
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you know, the younger guys getting opportunities and us losing
a lot of games, and it was just like, you know, what,
what is this? Who are we now? You know what happened?
You know all this is just happened so quick. Um.
So the transition was something I know that was tough
on me and had to be even tougher like on
somebody like Marcusol who had to play um through through
all that whole season. Yeah he had, he actually, but
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then he sat in the fourth quarter in time was close.
You guys did send him in the fourth quarter. It
was it was crazy, Mike kindly joining us in the
Doug Out lip show. I watched the game that I
don't think you would probably say you played all that well,
but it showed who you are and your your bull
of leadership. I think it was like a week ago
Wednesday and you guys, you guys beat you guys beat Denver.
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I think it was it was at home. That was
a home game. You beat him, and the way I
remember it, and I don't have the stats from me,
I think you only hit two shots, but the on
the second shot you hit was like the game winner.
That's when you signed that big contract. That that's what
it's really about in the NBA. It's not as much
about gross stats, like the next night you had thirty
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two and a win against the Sixers. It's about, Hey,
it's on me to get the ball and make something happen.
And at the end of the game, to take me
through what that's like to play a game in which
you don't shoot that well, you're not a huge part
of the offense other than facilitating and yet end of
the game, you know you gotta make a play. Yeah,
you know that that I think that's what UM. You
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know guys who who get that kind of opportunity to
get those kind of deals and UM and to be
given that kind of responsibility. That is your responsibility at
the end of the day. UM, regardless of how you
play leading up to the that point in the game,
if you go over twelve, or you're not feeling good
or whatever it may be, UM, you best believe that
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at the end of the game, the ball is gonna
be in your hands and you have to make a
play one way or another. So you know, for me,
that's been the since I signed that deal. That's been
the one thing that I've I've been able to hold
on too, is just knowing that in the fourth quarter,
I'm gonna have to make up regardless of how I've
been playing, UM, still believing myself it's so confidence to
go up and make a shot. UM, even though I've
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missed my last five or six, and you're leading up
to that point, you talked about making plays. Obviously you
made some last night as you guys go in and
beat the Bucks in Milwaukee, you take down Takedown Janice
and uh like look at the knock on Memphis. Has
always been your guys inability to shoot and score. I
think you scored sixty eight points in the second half.
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How much of it is the game evolving in more
three point shooting? How much of it is officiating that
the scoring seems to be so up in the NBA. Yeah,
I think it's a combination of both. I think the
league knows what they're doing when it comes to officiating
and trying to you know, allow for more opportunities to
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score um. But at the same time, I think more
guys coming into the league today, um, are you know,
being trained and and the ability to shoot three space
the court, you know, skit up and down, run fast
and get a lot of shot attempts up. So that's
what the league is doing. And uh you couple that
with you know, not being able to touch anybody on
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the defensive end, Um, you're gonna get a lot of
a lot of points scored. UM. And then now for us,
it's about can we be the team that plays defense
in this league. You know, we want to be one
of those few teams that do that. Um and maybe
that would be you know, our our our little niche
that keep it different from everybody else. How do you
do that? How do you when when so many NBA
guys like, yo, you just can't guard, you can't touch
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anybody can't guard you, buddy, How do you establish yourself
as a great def and some team we're the best
defensive team if so many of the rules and the
way the game is being officiated really limits that. Yeah, honestly,
we we've actually become more physical, you know, I think
we we almost just with your body, not with your hands.
Is that kind of like the Villanova type thing? Yeah,
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not with your hands. I think we were so used
to using our hands and grabbing and holding um and
now we're being taught to just use our chests, use
our body to get you know, upposed and personally even
more UM. And I think that the more physical you
are and you can play without your hands, the rest
eventually will stop blowing the whistle. You know, they can't
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call every single call and and eventually have to get
a wears on teams, you know, being having a guy
in your face every single time as you touch the
ball and every shock you put up. So that's the
kind of defense we're trying to implement. Um, we're not
there all the way, but we're we're getting there. What's
JB like? What's like to play for? Oh? David is great? Man. Um,
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he's actually pretty it's pretty tough. He's pretty tough. We work,
we work our bus off. So um, it was like literally,
you know, no time offer. You know, we'll come back
from a game and be right back in the arena,
you know, kneepads on every day, tape tape and the
ankles and and going at it. So um, you know
he's a really uh you know, he really does a
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great job disciplinary, a great disciplinary and for all the
young guys and keeping everybody in line and a great
role model for everybody as well. Mike Conley Junior joining
us in the Doug Gotlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Um,
now you have a campaign where you're raising awareness for
sickle cells. It's sickle cell trade or sickle cell or
all things sickle cell. What what's the campaign about? Well? Yeah,
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we um, Well, every year are do a Bowling Bash
event in September that raises UH money for wearing this
for sickle cell um not just a trade but all
things sickle cell um. I worked closely with the Methodist
Healthcare Center here in Memphis. UM listener there. I've worked
with Saint Jude UM and their sickle cell centers there.
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So we're just basically trying to raise the awareness and
find ways to you know, help those who are stricken
by the disease and UM and and you know, make
their lives a little bit easier. Because I actually have
two cousins who have the disease and UM growing up.
I know it's been really tough on them even to
this day is still tough on them and having to
see them deal with They kind of, you know, sparked
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the interest in me and wanted me to try to um,
you know, help out as much as I could. Your
your best friend you've ever played with in the pros?
Is who my best friend I've ever played with the pros?
And it's outside of Marcosol. I well, let's let's go
with Marcusol. Like you and Mark? How How tight are
you and Mark? In reality? We're we're brothers, man. It's
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it's like this nobody closer. I guess why I don't
even call him a friend. You know, it's just this
weird to think of him like that. You know, he's
he's always been there. Seems like we've always been connected
since day one. We were you know, dressed up in
the un form. And our families are tight, our our
kids are tight. I mean, it's just, uh, we're a
big family. Okay, So have you what's what's the worst
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argument you've ever gotten to them? Yeah? Um, the worst
argument might might be over Fifa. Uh, we're playing Fifa,
he's and I'm beating him and he you know, Barcelona
and I'll put Real Madrid and I beat him and
he'll get upset. Okay, but can you is there is
there a place you can't go in the argument, like
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can you not talk about you know, Pal has got
all his rings? Is there is there other places you
can't go that would lead to like a day or
two of bitterness where you're not actually talking. Um, I
don't think I've reached that yet. And I think we
everything we've gotten to, we've been able to like get
back to the ground level afterwards. So, um, there's been
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some times in games where we'll go at it, but
we'll be right back at you know, right back you know,
on the same level again the next place. I'm mean,
I don't know, we're kind of the same, uh, the
same demeanor at the end of the day. Well, I'm
asking that obviously because of this the k D and
Draymond thing. And look, some of the worst arguments I've
ever gotten into where some of my best friends I
ever played with, um. But but I you know, I
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also can't tell, like, what's the let what's the true
level of their friendship because they also have kind of
their their own thing going on. And I guess, you know,
without unfairly asking about somebody else's locker room. The question is,
does that stuff happen more often uh than maybe us
in the media give it credit where guys get into
it over an end of game situation and you're better
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with each other for a couple of days. That stuff does,
in fact happen. Man, that happens all the time. Um.
That happens every year. Everything I've been a part of it,
had it happened um at least at least season or
something like that erupts during a time out or UM
end game and locker room wherever you want to be. Um,
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it happens, and and for the most part is it's
it's at the end of the day, it's mildest, you know,
truth comes out, Guys get what they have to get
off their chests. Um, and you move on from it,
you know. So I don't know what exactly is going
on in Golden State, but I think they'll be fine.
I think it's something that is very normal in our
league and dific what happens that they they're on TV
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a lot and they you know, everybody's you know, they're
on their microscope and everything they say is hurt so um.
And you know, I don't think they'll they'll they'll be
hurt from it. Mike, Listen, this is great stuff you're
doing to help raise awareness. And I know you got
your bowling thing. Now, who's is Chris Paul better bowlder
than you? Because I know he has his bowling stuff too.
He claims to be the NBA's best bowler. Yeah, Dow,
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do you have your own ball? He has own ball?
I think I do. I have I have three ball.
I have three different balls, so I have I have
a couple of different ones. I'm getting better and better,
but I think Chris has me, has me by a
little bit right now. But if you've talked about golf,
I think I got him in the golf court. Fair enough,
fair enough, Mike. Thanks good to see you back healthy
on the court. Congrats on the window was a big
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one against the Bucks. After you guys beat the Sixers.
Right now, by the way, you're in first place in
the Eastern Conference. Unfortunately you don't play in the Eastern Conference.
And thanks for joining us on Fox Sports Radio. Thanks
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Edward or r f A. Check out the Dooms Day podcast.
And let's start with tonight Thursday Night Football, huge game,
Packers on the road trying to kind of save their
season against the Seahawks. We have been much more competitive
than I think many people thought possible. How important is
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this game for Mike McCarthy's future. Well, you know, I
think you look at the two coaches and you have
a different feel for teams that are in him all
a predicament kind of for the reason that you mentioned.
You know, Pete Carroll's team has remained remarkably competitive in
a season where they've had really significant personnel turnover, really
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kind of a rebuilding job. And yet you know, they've
played the Rams well twice, uh, and have just generally
been competitive in every game. And there's been this great
inconsistency with with Mike McCarthy's team, and I think the
public views this is another season of the Packers coaching staff,
you know, failing to take advantage of the greatest quarterback
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in the game today or the player that many think
is the best quarterback in the game today and Aaron Rodgers.
And there's certainly tension in the McCarthy Rogers relationship that
doesn't exist in the Carol Wilson dynamic. In fact, you
could argue that Pete Carroll's worked to his own detriment
in many ways and supporting Russell Wilson within the organization.
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And I think, you know a lot of people have
issues with McCarthy and they he now is you know,
undermined a little bit because they change defensive coordinators last season,
so that kind of moved the target more in his direction.
They have a new general manager promoted from within UM.
But yeah, I think I think there's a lot of
pressure on Mike McCarthy, and I think one of the
ways that he can still save the Packers season is
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to be UM more two dimensional in the offense and
not use overuse Aaron Rodgers, not be overly reliant on
his quarterback to the extent that he's been this year
to this point, which is even more dramatic than normal. Uh.
He has a running option in Aaron Jones, who leaves
the NFL in average per carry. Seattle's proven vulnerable to
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the run. In fact, it's the worst run defense Pete
Carroll's had in in all his time there. So that's
something I think he needs to take advantage of in
this game. Tonight, Edward are joining us in the Doug
Gotlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Big story of
the week is Levian Bell, who decided to turn down
fourteen a half million dollars, sit out the entire year
and he'll be a transition to tag free agent, which
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means that technically Pittsburgh could match any deal, but the
likelihood is not strong there. What's his value? What what
is a guy who hasn't played, but a guy who
is a three down back in the NFL? What's his
actual value on the open market? Well, that re needs
to be determined. And you know, everybody's kind of mentioned
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that the New York Jets are a perfect fit and
they have a hundred billion dollars this offseason and money
to spend on free agents. But I just wonder what
kind of a dim view people are in the league
are going to take towards Levian Bell, who's still only
twenty six years old, um, but he was so easily
replaced by James Conner. The teammates have obviously gravitated towards
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Connor to the detriment of Levian Bell and the leverage
that he sought to have in his negotiations with the Steelers.
I wonder how many owners and general managers are going
to look at this guy as somebody who loves money
more than he loves football and is more committed to
making back as much as he can of this money
that he's lost, uh, and isn't playing so much for
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the love of the game that he puts other things first.
So I think those are you know, and he's a
player who doesn't have a flawless resume. He's been suspended before,
uh for for misconduct off the field. Uh So I
really don't think he's gonna be able to make this
kind of money up. I mean, he turned down thirty
three million guaranteed from the Steelers for this year and
next year trying to get Todd Gurley money. I just
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don't see that happening. His position has been devalued. Yeah,
there are a lot of great running backs, and teams
have invested high picks now and running backs again, we've
seen that, but Girle is really the exception in terms
of paying a running back. And I just don't know
that's gonna happen for Bell. And and I remember talking
to Ben Roethlisberger not too long ago, Doug, who said, hey, look,
Levian Bell, as you mentioned, three down back, he's the
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best player on our football team, myself included. But it
just seems there's a schism there that's hard. Going to
be hard for him to reconcile as he goes around
the league talking to coaches and general managers. Yeah, it's
gonna be interesting, and there's a little bit of the
Darrell Reeves right that even if you do get something
out of Levion Bell, will there be a moment in
which he doesn't like the contract and he chooses to
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shut it down again. Uh, you know, because he's shown
the he's shown that he doesn't money doesn't seem to
affect him. But no NFL player has sat out an
entire season under the franchise text and Sean Gilbert in
So that's that's what Levian Bell is looking to overcome,
is the stigma that will come with that in the
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front offices around football. Help me out with with um
Jalen Ramsey of the Jaguars, he had the tweet before
saying you know, basically, you're gonna miss me when I'm gone.
Now he comes back and says, I've said multiple times,
over and over and over and over and over and
over and over again that I want to play for
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one team my whole career. My guests would be The
backlash over his over tweet was so severe that he
had to come out and say this correct. Well, yeah,
I mean he was disciplined by by Tom Coughlin UH
and Doug marrone earlier the year. I don't. I don't
think there's anything all that dramatic about to happen with
Jalen Ramsey. I'm sure there's a great deal of frustration
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for him, like there has been with so many of
the other Jaguars players, about this downward spiral that uh
they've suffered. You know, they haven't been able to create
turnovers like they did last year. Uh, and they've gone
from a team that everybody thought would be in the
playoffs this year to a to a team that's not
gonna come anywhere close to, you know, rivaling the achievements
they had a year ago. Stug gotlib show on Fox
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Sports Radio, Edward joining us as he always seems to
have more. Any idea what happens with Baltimore at quarterback?
As Flacco hasn't practice, but they haven't ruled him out,
but he's coming off a bye week and he still
doesn't seem right. He got Lamar Jackson, but he doesn't
doesn't feel like he's capable of running the real offense.
They have to change the offense. I think at RG three,
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who in the backup job? But everyone wants to see
Lamar Jackson. Any idea what happens to Ball more well,
John Harbaugh, the leaguer John Harball coaching for his own
job because I think there are a lot of people
in the league. They think he has to get to
a super Bowl to to keep his position with the
You know, this is being Ozzy Knewsom's final season, so
he's a little more vulnerable now that the person who
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hired him is no longer going to be in charge
next season. Um, but he is. He has very specifically
said that Joe Flacco was gonna start if he's physically
capable of doing so. He has a hip injury that
he suffered in their last game, and uh he was
able to play the rest of the game. I believe
he suffered it on the sixth play of the game.
Uh And Hardball has even gone so far as to
say he doesn't have to practice to play because he's
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spent the last eleven years practicing to play. Lamar Jackson
is the only first round uh you know, draft pick
a quarterback who has not yet started a game so far.
I don't really think the Ravens would have any misgivings
turning to him, uh if Flacco can't go. Uh And
and both of those players were sidelined today because Jackson
apparently has some kind of stomach ailment. Uh. And as
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you mentioned, Robert Griffin, the third was the only healthy
quarterback that they had at practice today. But there's a
lot of time between now on the game and and
my sense is that, uh, Flacco seems optimistic that somehow
Flacco hardball seems optimistic that Flacco will recover and be
healthy enough to play the game. Joey Bosa back practicing.
Will we see him this weekend against Denver? Uh? You know,
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they've been pretty vague on that they've waited a long
time for his return. I wouldn't be surprised if they
played him in a you know, certain pass rush situations.
And you know, Anthony Lynn told me a couple of
weeks ago, Hey, I've been preparing my team like we're
never gonna have Joey Bosa play again. But in my
own mind, I cannot wait for this guy to come back. Uh.
You know, they might be the third best team in
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the a f C. So I think he'll be very
careful with him, But it wouldn't surprise me if they
felt he was healthy enough for him to get some
pass rush snaps in Denver this week, Edward are joining
us follow him on Twitter at Edward or r f A,
or check out the Dooms Day podcast. Let's check in
now on the Dallas Cowboys huge win over the Eagles.
Let's let's let's let's start with the Cowboys themselves? Is
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all right with it? Like it's it's one week everybody's
gonna get fired and one week everything's good. I guess,
coming off and win, everything is good. I mean, as
their first road win of the year, and it's against
the Eagles, who have proven not to be really any
better than the Cowboys. I don't really know how anybody
can predict what the Cowboys are gonna do, what their
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current state is, when they haven't done anything with any
real consistency. I mean, they haven't won two games in
a row, or two road games in a row, as
they'll have to try to do this week when they
play at Atlanta, you know, since very late last season.
So it's been a very inconsistent, unpredictable team. That's kind
of how I still feel about him. I think this
is a big week though for Dak. Prescott obviously played
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well in the game the other night against the Eagles,
didn't turn the ball over the twenty one and one
when he doesn't throw an interception. But Ezekiel Elliott was
really the star of that of that performance. This is
a game in Atlanta where obviously their whole season turned
last year Elliott began serving his suspension. They played without
Tyrone Smith, their left tackle. They allowed it was really
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coaching mouthfeasance by Jason Garrett, And that's what's gonna be
a point of emphasis this week in the media is
how poorly Garrett performed at a co as a coach
in that game, allowing his left tackle to give up
six sacks before he finally replaced him. Uh and and
belatedly so. Prescott suffered eight sacks in the game. Has
really not been the same since, nor has his protection
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been the same sense, But he's going back to Atlanta
this time with a real chance to exploit a bad
defense the Falcons have given up. Other than the first
week of the season, they've given up either a three
unit yard passing game or a three touchdown passing him
too every quarterback that they played. Prescott has not achieved
either of those feats yet this season, so the opportunity
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is there for him to turn it on and prove
people that he is capable of playing well in big games.
Last thing the other side of that was the Eagles losing,
and you said that Eagles have showed nothing to say
they're better than the Cowboys. I was discussing earlier in
the show. Jason Kelsey is like, hey, look, we gotta
all be more accountable. He went through all the veteran
guys last year that held people accountable, says, not just players,
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but it's coaches. Is this a lost season for the Eagles? Well,
you know, Doug, they're pinning fifty two Super Bowl champs.
Only six team haven't made the playoffs the next year,
and the Eagles seem likely to be next. Given that
there are two games behind the Redskins and there remaining
opponents have a combined win percentage of six forty one,
which is the highest of any team in the league.
I mean, this is a team that's, you know, got
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a lot of problems. Carson Wentz is if you look
at his numbers, he's had like m v P type numbers.
But the Eagles are two and three. Uh in this
stretch of games. Uh, they're the worst scoring team in
the first quarter in the NFL, worst than Buffalo, worse
than Oakland. So they're always playing from behind. They haven't
been able to create a lot of explosive touchdown plays
like they have last year. They're near the bottom of
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the league in that regard. They've got eight players on
I R and I think Doug Peterson, you know, you
have to remember he's still young head coach. This is
only his third year. He won a Super Bowl last year,
but he's lost significant help office staff. I mean, Frank
Reich was the offensive coordinator now he's the head coach
in Indianapolis, lost him, you know, very late when Josh
McDaniels pulled out of the opening there, and he lost
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his quarterbacks coach, John D. Philippos, the offensive coordinator of
the Minnesota Vikings now. So I think all of those
things are factors in what's happened to the Eagles this year,
and and it seems entirely possible, if not likely, that
they'll miss the playoffs. Awesome stuff from Edward or here
getting ready for Thursday Night Football. Follow him on Twitter
at Edward or r f A, or download and subscribe
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to the Doomsday Podcast. Add to the best. Thanks for
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Show weekdays in noon eastern three pm Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Here's Dan
Byros some break breaking news from Fox Sports. It's been
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brewing for a week or so, Dug, but a report
from ESPN says the Rockets will officially part ways with
forward Carmelo Anthony at some point between now and prior
to tonight's tip off against the Golden State Warriors. So
the Carmelo Anthony era in Houston is coming to an end.
M hm m hmm. That is really soon. Um, none
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of us thought it would work, did we do? I mean,
do we think? But I thought he would like I
thought he would make it to the playoffs. I did.
I didn't think he would get cut by or did
you think this would be better? Or is this about
what you thought would happen. I didn't think it would
happen on November. I I just didn't see. I just
didn't see the value in adding him, especially from what
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they lost. So I didn't think that doesn't value. I
saw the value in this way. Okay, I think what
they remember they traded for Joe Johnson late last here,
and so what I think they thought, and they couldn't
get at Joe Johnson because he just didn't have anything left,
was they thought, hey, you know, when things break down
with our bench, if we have a guy we can
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just throw it to who can score and keep us
in the game. You know, that's better than one of
these other guys, is a three D guy that doesn't
have that ability. I think I thought that with Joe Johnson.
I think they thought it with Carmelo Anthony, and they
were wrong with both because you just once those guys
lose it defensively, once they lose it latterly. And they're
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also players from a foregone era. You know, they're they're
they're they're fullbacks in the NFL. You know, that's what
they are. They're fullbacks in the NFL, or they're blocking
tight ends in the NFL. They just it's a style
that isn't used all that often. And Carmelo Anthony can
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shoot threes, but that's the weak part of his three
level game. He's an unbelieved he was an unbelievable midpost
and low post score face up guy as well. He
could shoot, he could drive, he could post, he could
score three different levels, but the worst of those levels
is a three point shot. And then you know he's
never really guarded anybody, and it's hard to hide him.
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I think it's interesting, too, Doug, for a guy who
is such a name brand like he is. I mean,
we just call him Carmelo. We know who Carmelo is is.
It's difficult to hide that, especially to when you are
now on a team that was a game away from
the conference finals and now on a team that isn't
playing well to start the season. If he would have
(40:42):
went to and I'll just use Memphis because Mike Conley
was on the show earlier. Let's say he went to
Memphis and had a poor start to the season, We're
not as focused on him there. We're only focused on
it would have been hidden more. Atlanta. Atlanta absolutely like
Vince Carter still in the league on the Atlanta Hawks,
a really really young team. We have no idea Vince
(41:04):
is giving any effort defensively, what type of leadership he has.
But Vince Carter has made himself more than useful. He's
made himself into a mentor for the mentor for these
young guys. Whereas Mellow is he's like Alan Iverson and
that he's going to be out of the league probably
three or four years before he should because of all
(41:24):
of the above, and probably because of so many places
he said he would never live and never play Yes
Ryan music. So you actually kind of started to answer
my question before I could ask it. But I was
just gonna say, like, do you think that this is
just it from Mellow? Because when I look at this situation,
I go, it clearly didn't work with the Thunder and
(41:45):
it clearly didn't work with the Houston Rockets. So why
would any other team who's remotely a contender try to
convince themselves that it could work. Um, I think it's well,
first everybody has the go thinking it would work. I'm
sure that was also to a peace Chris Paul their best.
They're very very close friends. And I would even think
(42:08):
Mike D'Antoni wanted, you know, like sometimes you want to
go and have whether it's closure or I don't think
you did it to make sure to prove that he
was right. But I also think Mike D'Antoni is a
confident a guy like you know what you want to
bring Mellow in we had a bad ending last time. Fine,
I'll be the big done bother me. So I think
(42:29):
those are the three factors. But I just, I honestly
think that the Houston brain trust just believed, you know,
the analytics are smart, but we also just need somebody
who we can throw too, can get us a bucket,
so then we're not always shooting threes. And they didn't
realize all the other things that don't come with Carmelo
(42:51):
Anthony that make it really difficult to play. The ball
stops moving, and he gets attacked every time defensively, and
he has no governor for if he's not making shots.
He's just he's never been a guy where he's not
making shots that he has to stop shooting. So but
(43:11):
I am, I to him, stunned it happened this quickly.
I'll admit it. Stunned it happened as quickly
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