November 20, 2018 • 41 mins
Doug reacts to a crazy Monday Night Football game between the Chiefs and the Rams and tells you why the fans are ultimately the ones who won. He also thinks everyone is too distracted by the high score to call out Sean McVay for almost losing the game. And Broncos DB Chris Harris Jr joins the show and tells Doug who he thinks is better: Chiefs or Rams.
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What Up America, Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio, comming
to you from the brisk city of Kansas City, Kansas,
actually on the Kansas side. It's very confusing to a child, daddy,
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where you're going? Kansas City? Is that in Kansas? Some
of it? What do you mean? Some of it's in Kansas,
some of it's in Missouri. Well, why don't they call
the Missouri part Missouri City. I don't know, I don't know,
I don't know. Stuck hollyp show here at Fox Sports Radio. UM,
if you're just joining us this week, I'm getting a
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chance to actually call basketball games in the Caymans from
a dungeon somewhere in Kansas City. Also, got a chance
to watch a college basketball game USC and Texas Tech,
and I got a chance to watch last night's Monday
night football game. Don't you get to a second. But
being in Kansas City during last night's Monday night football
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game was really telling, really interesting. Um One, if you
haven't been in Kansas it is a not a good
is a great sports town. Great Royals have always drawn
relatively well, considering they went twenty years without being relevant.
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The Chiefs have always had great home field advantage. Sporting
casey does well, and of course you got KU football,
which is less than an hour away. KU basketball does
a lot better and generally and sports radio. It's considered
the second or third best regional sports market in terms
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of per capita number of sports listeners, only the Boston
in the country. Pretty amazing, And I'm telling you last
night the the town was relatively shut down. Now, there's
a couple of different areas where people go out. Westport
is one. The other is the Power and Light District,
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which is an indoor kind of outdoor in downtown. Not
a ton going on last night. But this is the
true story. So I get done calling the basketball game.
I watched the first half of the football game and
then I I'm I'm watching the second half of the
basketball game, and when it gets done, I'm walking from
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the Sprint Center to my hotel. It's like five blocks.
And I'm telling you, with every big plays I'm watching
on my phone, I can hear and I know it's
the power and light district, but people were outside, like
degrees outside. You can hear audible screams and yells. The
last night was a night, and obviously being in Kansas
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City and my home being in Los Angeles, maybe I'm
a little bit too close to the forest to see
the trees. But it felt like anyone who I really
care about was watching sports on TV. Right. Maybe you
had something sports with your kids, but for the most part,
if you're home, you had there was Hoop on TV,
which is always good. But most of you watch Monday
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night football. Without looking, I would guess fifty of the
homes in Kansas City or watching that game and what
they saw they liked. Even cheese fans are not They're
not They're not saddened today. They may not be emboldened.
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They may understand that, uh, there's some things that they
got to work on. Their young quarterback has not turned
the football her. But they had plenty of opportunities to
win that football game, plenty. But more than anything, it's fun, right,
It's fun. Even the victims of these terrible wildfires in
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thousand Oaks for those four hours? Did you care about
anything else? Now that's the the incredible power of sport.
And if I'm Roger Goodell, I'm kicking up my feet
and anyone, including Jerry Jones, who questioned whether or not
I should make forty million dollars or fifty million dollars
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or whatever. I'm not saying the NFL's problems are fixed,
but the solution this is like turning to the back
of the book where it has the answers to the problem.
The solution was on display last night. Teams struggling in
Los Angeles, not really give us a good product, a
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big game. We'll show up and watch. The NFL's ratings
were down. You know what, Just play fun football. The
war on football guy. Everybody hates our sport. No, we
don't hate your sport. We're just trying to make it safer,
better and more offensive minded. The NBA did this years ago.
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Look at how much more watchable it is. The NFL
is is king of the sports world. And so you
can sit here and tell me, no matter what you
do with the NBA, it's not the NFL, of course not.
There's eighty two games is opposed to sixteen games. The
NFL is a better TV spectator sports, much harder for
guys to take plays off as supposed to the NBA.
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The adage in business is the customer is always right,
and the customer has spoken. Did you watch last night?
Did you like what you're watching last night? It I
don't know if it's the best regular season game I've
ever seen. It doesn't even matter. I had fun. I
had fun. It was so good and so watchable and
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so thrilling that today I don't think anybody's pointing out
that Sean McVeigh completely strewed up on that last possession.
It was so good and so fun and so watchable
that no one seems to point out, you know, as
good as Pat Mahomes is kind of struggle a little
bit against zone and had a fumble which not totally
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his fault, but ball security is his job. And the
last pick, what are you doing? What are you doing?
It was so good that anything else you were thinking about,
you were daydreaming about you wondered about you didn't? Oh, hey,
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remember games are too long? How long was that game? Music?
Did you look up how long start to finish? That
game actually was three hours and forty two minutes. That's
a lot. That's a lot. No, who wants to at
past three hours and forty two minutes? I did base
But remember, baseball's too long. It's just too long. Who's
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got three hours to watch baseball? No, No, baseball is
not too long. Baseball is too boring when it's actually
being played. That's all. Find a way to make more
action and we'll watch. Find a way to make more
offense and we'll watch. And that's all the NFL has done.
And Jarikov said it after the game, right, Jerikof said,
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man felt like cal versus Texas Tech. Calverson Texas Tech. Wait,
I thought big twelve pack tell foot football is a joke. No,
it's awesome. It might not be the best football, but
it's the most watchable football. Please stop with the revs.
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Ruined it. They did what officials always do in big games.
They call it super tight early, and they try and
call it super loosely. And at the end of the day,
you end up having over a hundred points scored. Like
you you're you're When you talk about this game, you're
not going to talk about the flag in the second quarter.
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You're not gonna talk about any of the rulings from
Really in the season, the NFL figured it out. They
understand what the customer wants. They look to the back
of the book and they're like, Oh, you want scoring,
you want spread offense, you want young quarterbacks back there
slinging it. We gotta protect the quarterback at all costs.
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They've done that with the rules. We got to promote
offense with our rule changes, especially throwing the football. They've
done that. We want to create an atmosphere that continues
to make the game more thrilling, more energetic, keeps it
moving faster. The brakes aren't as long, with some exception.
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The reviews were on point, and that was damn fun football.
I've never been a Rams fan ever. The Rams when
I grew up, We're playing ten minutes from my house
in the same stadium my favorite baseball team occupied, and
I was just never all that into him. And even
now I can't fake it and tell you that I'm
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a Rams fan, But damn was that fun to watch
him even in those god awful color rush uniforms. Those
are bad. They're bad. And then they're bad because their
normal uniforms either said traditional blue and yellow or the
white ones, the old school throwback l A Ram white uniforms.
Those are great unis and you don't have to doll
him up. But like, listen, this is the football that's
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here to stay. It's what what the NFL wants. But
because what the what what the consumer wants? I didn't like.
I'll give you an example. I didn't like Notre dames
uniforms over the weekend. Notre Dame has incredible uniforms with
the gold helmets. The gold helmets have gold animals. Sure
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you've heard that. That's like Ryan Fitzpatrick's from Harvard. And
the gold helmets are a mirror of the Golden Dome,
which is where the president of Notre Dame has his office.
It's a symbol, it's symbolic of the university they represent.
I would never have my team at Notre Dame put
on any helmet that wasn't gold. That said, the reason
Notre Dame is doing it is the reason it's here
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to stay. That's what the consumer wants, whether it's the
old man buying a jersey or the kid who wants
to go play there. Sure there's some misses like Notre
Dame wearing those pinstriped pants and those awful helmets, even
though they look great against Syracuse. But for the most part,
it's a read and understand your consumer and find a
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way to engage them and keep them engaged by understanding
their needs and desires and fulfilling them. That's how the
NFL did. We want offense. We want fast paced. We
want you to throw it more than run it. We
want high scoring. We love some glam shots and some
big name fans like jay Z and attendance. We want
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crowds that are into it, and we want games that
come down to the wire. Check check check check check
check check. What a great night for football. Be sure
to catch live editions of The Doug Dot Leap Show
weekdays in noon eastern three pm Pacific on Fox Sports
Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Danna Jeremiah has
a great podcast. It's called Move the Sticks. He works
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at the NFL Network. He covers Chargers game Chargers Radio
for a living. By the way, DJ, I'll be doing
the national radio feed as you guys are doing the
local radio feed this weekend. I love it. I love it.
A little little partner up there, but the uh, I'll
let you know where to go, get to food, the
whole deal. I got you covered, buddy, awesome, great stuff.
You can pick me up in your way up from
San Diego if you let's you stay up in the
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night well car caravan, caravan to Carson together. Um, all right,
I'm just gonna say last night and you just give
me your stream of conscious go yeah. No, Look, it
was entertaining. It was as entertaining of football gamers I
can remember seeing. Um. I think whatever changes took place
from the Super Bowl in terms of the long term
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uh impact of that Super Bowl last year, the shootout
between the Patriots and the Eagles, I think it was
kind of this was the exclamation point to that. As
the NFL continues to change. UM, I thought this kind
of just reinforced it. And I always look at everything
in a game like that through a personnel perspective, and
how does this impact what goes on in the off
season with the draft and free agency. And it is
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a it is a load up on on offensive weapons,
and it is you better find as many pastors as
you can get because the rules the way they are,
you're not going to be able to cover these guys.
So you better have people who can get after the quarterback.
Mm hmmm. Um, I think though that they're also My
feeling is, hey, look at how much look at look
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at America's reaction to that game. And while old school
football guy may be saying, you know, Vince Lombardi's rolling
over in his grave, they're just giving the customer what
they want. And what we got was a big, twelve caliber,
highly entertaining product with two young quarterbacks spinning it to
a lot of talented players. And maybe the difference is
the investment in the defensive line for you know, for
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the rams that ended up being the difference in the game,
no question. I mean, I can give you a little
scene set here because that you know, I'm sure your
situation to the kid. The kids are all off this week, um,
and so it's kind of like the start of vocation.
One of the things we like to do at our
house that we play a lot of card games. Um.
So we're playing some cards and uh so my wife
and all the kids are sitting there at the games
on and my wife's not a big she's not a
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big football fan. She's just not and and she's like,
this is the most entertaining thing I've ever seen. And
I'm sitting here and going like, Yeah, this is the
rich fans. This If you want to if you want
to make the tent larger, if you want to grow
the fan base, games like that will do it. Danna
Jeremiah joining us on the Doug Gotlip Show on Fox
Sports Radio. Am I going to be the only one
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that points out Sean McVeigh completely butchered that last drive?
You know? I mean, look, look, they got the other
the opposition has three time outs. Okay, so on first
down you want to try and trick him, and I
don't know how Josh Reynolds was declared inbounds as they
wound the clock because he clearly was out of bounds.
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But okay, you get away with it. Then you do
it again on second down and the ball gets battered down.
Now you have you have two choices, and him in
neither of these choices. Choice one is, hell with it.
Let's just run a true passing play and try and
get the first down, or let's make him burn a
time out by running the football. Instead, he runs a
little you know, quick screen pass out into the flat,
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which is it basically a running play, but you know,
but does it has has no chance of getting a
first down. Okay, I'll be anxious to see when you
get some time, Doug, go back and watch the postgame
interview in the locker room with Todd Gurley and tell
me if you don't sense that he was a little
bit frustrated. Um, even though they won that football game,
I think probably overall lack of touches, and I would
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guess probably at the end of the game. You know,
when you give the ball to a guy like that
in an offensive line like that, that's kind of there.
That's pride for those guys who go ahead and close
out the game. And uh, they didn't get the opportunity
to do that. Now. Fortunately Mahomes throw one up in
the air and they were able to get out of
there with a win. But yeah, just go when you
get a chance, go watch that interview. I will Dana
Jeremiah joining us in the Doug Got Live show Fox Sports. Ready,
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you mentioned Pat Mahomes throwing one up in the air. Um, look,
I get how spectacular his arm talent is and how
he seems to really fit all of the different dudes
that they put out in front of him, but that
that was basically what I would watch for the Texas
Tech game, which is he made spectacular throws a text attack.
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On the other hand, he took chances he didn't have
to take, didn't always have the greatest ball security, And
I think that's kind of my fear is he's the
polar opposite of Alex Smith, who wouldn't take chances but
wouldn't make mistakes. Yeah, I think that obviously we can
everybody that will tell you how much higher his ceiling
is when he's at his best versus Alex Smith. But
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I think everybody else would also have to admit that
Alex Smith's floor is a lot higher uh than Mahomes.
And I'm talking about a game to game basis. UM.
So that's something that's going to be challenging when you
get into the postseason. Possessions are priceless. Um. You can't
afford to turn the ball over. You turn over five times.
Now you can you can go glass half full and
talk about six touchdowns in all the wild plays. Um.
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But man, it's it's gonna be tough for them if
if you turn the ball over like that to get
through a stretch in the postseason that you need to
get through. So I definitely think Andy Raid deserves credit
for raining him in for the most part, because when
I watched him at Tech, I wrote down on my
paper screens and scrambles. I mean, that was what it was.
It was just screens and scrambles and you know, wow,
what plays you know, one places while the next place
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of what. And he's done a pretty good job of
reining that in. But we've seen now a couple of times.
I guess I think it was early in the in
the New England game and now you see it in
this one that the turnovers got him. Okay, So who's
the team more likely to be in Super Bowl between
those two? I'll say the Chiefs. Uh even having said
what we just said, just because as long as the
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road in the NFC goes indoors through New Orleans, I
don't see anybody beating that team. What what is it
about New Orleans that's allowed them to their defensive backfield,
especially one side of it. I mean, Eli Apple hasn't
impressed anybody in the NFL. But he's actually an upgrade
over what they had there previously. They're still searching for,
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you know, a second wide receiver. How have they been
able to do this considering those two weaknesses, Well, they're
getting better. They're getting better, and they're getting some pressure.
They're getting some push up front with their with their front,
So that's gonna that's gonna make anybody in the back
end look a little bit better. But the other thing is, man,
when when you can dedicate bodies to coverage because you
always constantly have the other team in a chase mode
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where you don't have to worry about them running the football. Um,
it makes it a little bit easier on your coverage team. So, uh,
you know they're staying. The thing with them is hopefully
they end up getting Marcus Davenport back, who was really
starting to come on. Uh, they get another guy up front.
Then again that their their whole answers should be just
let's just rush for um and we can devote more bodies.
If you don't like the bodies you have in coverage,
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you can devote more bodies coverage. And that's what they'll do.
But I mean, look that they're about their offense, and
I just don't think you when we talk about their
defense playing better, it's not even really gonna matter if
Drew Brees stays in the zone he's in right now
and he gets to be indoors. Uh. I mean they
just good luck. I don't know how you slow that
group down. Um okay, So here's what I've come to
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learn and watch the NFL feels like there's there's three
different styles that that and and let's take the Patriots
maybe out of it, because they'll do whatever it takes
to just win every individual game. But there's one style
which is the same style, which is massive personnel groupings. Right,
all different sorts of personnel groupings, and based upon those
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group beings, they're trying to find the one key mismatch
with the defenses personnel group is the defenses matchup. Then
you have the Rams, who basically come out in the
same formation every time, and they run a bunch of
different variations of the exact same look. Everything looks exactly
the same, only you know, until the ball is snapped, obviously.
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And then you have the Chiefs and the Bears, and
where you have a lot of prestap movement, you know,
and a lot of slight of hand, but it's really
not complex once the ball is snapped. It's just a
way of making it all kind of look different even
though it's all the same. If you're starting NFL team,
and granted you don't start anything from scratch, what do
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you think the most Well, I go back to UH.
I think we might even have talked about this last week,
but with all the Chiefs and you, you talk about
the different personnel groupings and the eye candy and the
zone reads and the r P O S. I coming
back to the same thing. I've seen some of the
most UH, consistently explosive offenses in the NFL be able
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to to run that Shanahan and we see it with mcveighum.
That whole tree of offense and the heads its roots
in the West Coast where everything looks the same. Your
run zone, UM, you run inside zone, you run outside zone,
you play action off that zone. UM. And that's something
that's an offense that you've seen some of the better
offense NFL over decades. I'm not talking about a fad
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this year, the last year, the last decade. I'm talking
going back thirty years I've seen that formula work. So
if I was going to start a start a group
and and try and put together a you know, the
personnelity and the offense that you want to run, that's
the one I'm going with. Let's let's discuss the charge
of the team that you call their games for a living. Uh.
That felt like one where they got some penalties Philip
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rivers with a terrible decision down the stretch. You may
to call bad decisions throughout the game. Here's a team
with all the talent in the world. They get Joey
Bosa back, and yet they lose at home to the Broncos.
How troubling is it? Yeah, it's one. I mean when
you look at the schedule and you look at road
games coming up at Pittsburg in the frontime game at
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Kansas City in a short week, in a primetime game.
You gotta go face this Broncos team at the end
of the year on the road, which is a tough
place to play. Man, you can't afford to give one away.
And when you have fourteen penalties, you turn the ball
over twice, you've got a chance up nineteen to seven
to just close the door, and you've get not only
an interception down there, but an interception and return inside
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the Uh and all of a sudden, you've got a
ball game. Um. And then you mentioned the end of
the game scenario where Philip Rivers just kind of had
a little bit of a brain freeze there instead of
taking a sack and running forty seconds off the clock,
runs two seconds off the clock. Once he got you know,
saw von Miller jump out there again on the screen,
and its natural instinct was just to dirt the ball.
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So just so many, so many, many many mistakes. Um.
And that being said, there they still had the game
in their hand and they couldn't tackle. So you give
up the drive at the end of the game. But
you know, sixteen games, Doug, it's you're gonna have a
game like this, you're gonna give one away and uh.
And that that hopefully, if you're a Charger fan, you
hope they got out of their system and they get
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right back on the crack. Um. Okay, I'm watching the
Carolina Panthers, who are a better team than Detroit Lions.
The Lions lose carry on Johnson, they're running back and
yet so so they could go to overtime. They simply
kick an extra point one Gono had missed an extra
point to be fair, But they go for two. They
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don't get it, they lose the game, and somehow nobody
seems to care, Like, look, I get that, we want
you know, we were tired of the prevent defense. Hell
Condoleeza Rice, even when she said she wasn't interested in
the Brown's job, did say she ever got a job.
She ain't prevent defense. Right. But but this idea that
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going for always, it's it goes to the McVeigh thing
to like this idea of always going for it, it's
just being aggressive is better? Like no kick, You're the
better team? Detroit had I think was what like thirteen
first downs eleven we're running the football and the running
back got heard like this is you the better the team,
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the more you want football to be played, because you're
more likely to win the game. Help me out with
how we got to this place where it's go for
it and nobody asked, nobody asks the question whereas playing
it's smart and sometimes conservatively and you're the worst person
on earth. Sure, Well, let's let's go a couple of
different things here. First of all, um the phrase it's
a cliche, but it's accurate. Is copycat league last year
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that the Philadelphi Eagles, you know when that Super Bowl
playing ultra aggressive, UM, going for it multiple times, you know,
Philly special the whole nine yards and so you saw
that aggressiveness, in some case over aggressiveness rewarded UM. So
that was kind of that's what teams had to sit
and think about the whole offseason. Okay, that's team just one.
The whole thing. They've been alter aggressive. Let's be alter aggressive.
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I think there's something to that UM. I think also,
you know, on that one, I guess the analytics were
kind of I've heard mixed results on what you should
have done according to the analytics, but there's a little
bit of that uh involved in it. My my issue
was not that they went for it. My issue is
I was trying to go back through my brain and
I've seen every game Cam Newton's played college. Now, I
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haven't studied every NFL game that he's played, but I
sure up studied a lot of them. And I'm trying
to find the time when they had a short, heearded
situation and they wanted to run quarterback power at six
ft five and two fifty five pounds. I'm trying to
remember the last time somebody stopped Cam Newton. So I
don't necessarily have a problem with them going for it there.
I just don't know if a pure dropback play is
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isn't one I were called it's it's it's stunning, it
really is. I mean, I call on the Annapolis Colts,
who as well as they've played, think of the tie
that they gave away against the Houston Texans. We dismissed
it and said, no, they're gonna win four games. Who cared?
I actually didn't, to be fair. To be fair, I
actually didn't dismiss it. I thought said was stupid, you know,
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And I mean just it was just dumb. And people like, well,
you know he's aggressive, he went forward. They're not gonna
win like you said, they're gonna win four games. Um
is Andrew Luck back in the discussion, is one of
the two one of the best quarterbacks in the league. Man,
is he good? I mean he just kind of it's
all coming back to you now, you're like, oh, that's
the guy that we all talked about, hyped up and
uh and believed in. I was talking to an executive
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from another team actually in the NFC, so they wouldn't
really have to worry about it. But he was saying,
you know, if the uh, if I was in the
a f C, I don't want any part of that
guy in the postseason. As hot as he can get
and as good as he's playing, I don't care what
they have around him. I wouldn't want to see him.
M hmm, DJ, great stuff. Look forward to seeing you
this Sunday and UH always love your work on on
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Move the Sticks. Thanks for joining us on Fox Sports Radio.
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug dot
Leap Show week days in noon eastern three pm Pacific. Yeah.
I think it's interesting that no one seems to be
pointing out no one's easily be pointing out what happened
at the end of the game. Um. I listened to
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the entire postgame press conference and there wasn't one single
question about what the hell was he doing at the
end of the game. Right here, here's the way it works. Okay,
they get an interception and there was a a buck
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nine to go in the game, and the Rams celebrating,
they're hugging each other and there they're celebrating, Oh, we
we won the championship. You didn't actually win the championship.
You don't have home field advanced throughout, and the Chiefs
have three time outs. If it takes somewhere between five
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and eight seconds to run every play minute nine to
go with three time outs, the other teams are going
to get the football back with you know, a little
bit less than a minute to go, a minute ago,
and all you need is a field goal in good
weather at the l A Coliseum. That's not crazy. Not crazy. Now,
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it should be pointed out that in addition to Sean
McVeigh screwing up, so too to Tyreek Hill. All right,
the punt goes deep, He starts at like the fifteen
yard line, is scrambling back, catches it inside the five
yard line. Had he let it go, they would have
gotten at the twenty yard line with about fifty seconds
to go. Fifty two fifty three seconds to go in
the game again, no time outs. But all they would
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have had to do is drive down forty yards and
give themselves a chance. Can pat Momes do that, we
were told by Clip Kingsbury, can throw the ball eighty
yards in the air. They have the fastest player in
the NFL. I think they could have done that. But
when you get the ball with a minute nine to
go and you have a great running back, I don't know.
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Here's just a thought. You run the ball, all right,
you don't want to run the ball, take a knee.
You can take a knee on first and second down.
You could even if you want to throw it and
go for it on third down, fine, fine, Or even
on second down. If you want to run the ball
on first down, make music time out, come on on
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second down in some bunch formation, tower a tight formation,
go with jumbo and run play action to try and
trick them. Fine, but they threw it on first down,
a little flat pass out, the play action pass out
into flat super safe. Josh Reynolds catches it, actually went
out of bounds that they didn't call him out of bounds.
They wind the clock, all right, the clocks wanting now,
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So the Chiefs used their first time out. Second down,
they run essentially the same play, only to the right side,
and of course it was batted down. That third play
they run some sort of screen pass. So the Chiefs
ended up having to use two of their three time outs.
But what are you what are you doing? And the
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idea that there that the result was Wow, they won
the game, so it doesn't matter you haven't they put
themselves in position where they had to try and stop
the Kansas City Chiefs with fifty five seconds to go,
bad field position. That's only because tyree Khill tried to
field ball and run out that he didn't have to,
but the Chiefs still had one time out. Why would
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you do that? You're not taking losing off the table.
But but the same thing we we so many people
hailed Sean McVeigh about, right, was Todd Gurley, you know,
essentially kneeling down at like the two yard lines that
are running into touchdown. Going back a couple of weeks
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ago against the Green Bay Packers. Oh those guys, they
totally get the time and the score and what's at stake,
and that the Packers had no timeouts so they couldn't
stop the clock. That's so genius. Why aren't we saying
the same today? What we saying? He completely and totally
butchered that thing. Look, John Calipari butchered in the National
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Championship game. They're playing Yukon. They end up they were
losing anyway, but the decisions on when to foul and
when to call a time out and when to not foul.
Going back a couple of years ago when Yukon, it's
hard to remember, Yukon like five years ago won a
national championship, but did in fact happen. I cannot believe
a ten minute press conference and that one guy was like, hey, Sean,
(30:59):
what God's name were you're doing? Like, like listen, Sean
McVeigh came to the l a Rams from the Washington Redskins.
The guy who preceded him with the Redskins, a guy
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who's a little bit older than him, but a close friend,
kind of same, some of the same, some of the
same family, but proceeded him with with the Redskins is
Kyle Shanahan. With the Atlanta Falcons in field goal range
up three in the Super Bowl, all they had to
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do was run the football or take a knee kick
a field goal win the game. They didn't do it,
and it's one of the things that sparked the greatest
comeback in the history of the Super Bowl. And I'm
all for going for it in the right circumstances. I'm
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all for youth being served young coaches with great energy
and great enthusiasm and getting everybody to buy into new
ideas and new concepts. That that's great, and I don't
love when teams get super super super conservative. But it
was almost as if they were trying to be they're
trying to outsmart everybody. Well, we're not going to continue
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to be who we were and spread you out and
beat you that way. Instead, we're gonna try and do
some play action and hit a guy in the flat
two times in a row. Just run the football first
and second down right, and then on third down you
try and figure out, all right, are we gonna run
the football? We might have gotten front. You do have
Todd Gurley, you do have one of the best, if
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not the best, offensive line in football. And it's not
like the Kansas City Chiefs have some juggernaut up front.
It's not like you said, theyre going like whoa Kansas
City comes down, watch out for their uh rush defense.
Like that's not even how they're built. Fox Sports Radio
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R to listen live. One of the biggest upsets maybe
this year in the NFL. Is happened last week in
l A in Carson with the Chargers. Chargers were up
big early, chance to put away the Broncos, and then
an interception turns the table. Uh. One of one of
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the two interceptions was by our next guest, Chris Harris Jr.
Of course, he of the no fly zone fame, joins
us in the Doug Gottlib Show on Fox Sports Radio. Chris,
thanks so much for joining us. You're playing the Chargers,
things aren't going well. How are you guys able to
turn that game around? We just knew that we uh,
we just had to. We knew we had those two
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time overs that can definitely help change the game. And
then uh, just finishing that three four minute drive. That's
situation from football that we practice and we just trying
to get get our offensive ball enough time to score.
And that's what we did. What Philip Rivers say to
you when you're screaming at you, yeah, oh man. He
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was like, man, We're coming at you all day. Man.
And when he was screaming at me like that, all right,
oh yeah, I'm about to get a pick. Now that
he did get you that. I think it was one
of the touchdowns where it looked like he was sacked
in the end zone. You know, she's not in the
end zone in the red zone. Looked like he was
sacked and all of a sudden, I don't know if
he pumped, faked or somehow. You know, Philip is not
(34:38):
the most elusive guy in the world, but sometimes like
the red Sea, like two yards and then all of
a sudden, you know, Keenan Allen becomes open behind you.
How confusing was that for it? Uh? Well, they did
a motion to where we switched where the safety of
garden and I was just I was just uh playing
the middle of to feel safety and I just, h yeah, pumping.
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I thought he's about to throw it. I thought have
to pick six, and uh, the other safety never was
able to get back on track and he was just
able to get that open. Chris Harris Jr. Joining us
in the Doug Otlip Show on Fox Sport Trading. We
pointed out before you joined us that you've played all
of these top teams, right, you played the Chiefs, you
played the Chargers, you played the Rams. Who's the best? Uh, Honestly,
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I think the Rams are I think they have the
running game the top Gurley uh what they do. And
also I think once they got to keep back then
that's gonna make them even better. So I would say
right now, I would say the Rams are probably the best.
You know, um I I started the show and I've
talked about this throughout the show that last night the
NFL got what they wanted, right. They want fifty point
(35:45):
games because fans seem to want it. But it makes
makes your job more difficult, whether it's the line of
scrimmage or in coverage. Obviously makes defensive lineman's job far
more difficult. How different is it for you now than
when you joined the league in terms of the difficult
salty of doing your job because the way the game's officiated.
Definitely now in the last I would say four years,
(36:07):
and probably men the hardest years just being able to
how they implemented the illegal touching um uh they're they're
really big on the p I s and uh. And
then what the offenses they're doing now they're creating, they're
they're running the best play they've created. Um. What they've
done with implement the college offenses to the game, they
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made it extremely harder on the defense. So with all
that said, I mean when you got corners that can
still make plays like myself and still play at a
high level, that makes it rare. How do you maintain
your positivity? Right? This is a year people were talking
about Vans getting fired before the season never began and
after after you know, starting now to know, you guys
(36:51):
had so many close losses. Four points to the Chiefs,
three points to the Rams, a touchdown to the Chiefs
on the road, that Texans game barely got away from
your nineteen seven. Obviously you finally one one, but those
close losses For a guy who's seen the wins and
seen the Super Bowls, how do you how do you
keep the positivity? Yeah? You just keep fighting. Man. We
know we're still on the hunt, and uh, we just
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want to try to run the table as much as
trying to win every game as much as possible and
keep fighting. Uh, this this team is staying together and
uh that's that's one thing that's different than last year.
I think we kind of kind of broke up a
little bit at the end, and I think this year
everybody's staying together, continuing to fighting, continuing to prepare to
win because we know we make a little make extra
(37:35):
play or two in those games. Uh, limit a couple
of those mistakes. Man. We could possibly, we could our
record could be totally different. I mean we've lost tons
of games by closed points and been in every every game.
Chris Harris your join us stock got Lip Show, Fox
Sports Radio, No Fly Zone? Uh? Uh the sergeant of
the No Fly Zone. Uh? Did pac Man Jones basically
(37:55):
told the world he got released before anybody else knew
he got released? Did he tell you before he tweeted out? No,
he didn't tell me, but I talked to him, man,
and uh, I was definitely sad to see pac Man go.
I thought he was. He's been. He's been great mentor
for the guys, great in the locker room, and uh,
I just wish him the best. I want to ask
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you about Philip Lindsay, like comes in relative unknown, takes
the position and in many ways and it's been outstanding.
Did you know he had to send him? Oh yeah,
when I've seen him first, seeing him playing and O
T s and seeing how how dynamic he was, then
I definitely thought he was gonna make the team. And uh,
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he has that pitbull mindset. Man, he doesn't. He doesn't
have any fear with anybody. He's gonna because he could
run over anybody. I mean, I think if he's seen
Luke Kinckley right there in front of him, you try
to run over him. So the guy plays with no fear.
And uh, he's been huge for us, and he's got
that extra gear. He hit that hole with the chargers
and there's guys that had angles on him and they
(38:58):
they still couldn't catch him. It's one thing to have
that no fear, but he definitely has a lead speed
at the running back and uh uh he can he
can bust at any time. Alright, So Kansas your alma mater,
a place that was last good really when you were there. Um,
Kansas goes out and and hires less Miles. What's your reaction?
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I love it, man. I think he's gonna be great. Um.
I think he's gonna be the opposite of what Charlie
Wats was was. Um he really Charlie really kind of
almost really destroyed the program. He was kind of players
like it was the NFL man were because they really
good an excellent job of just getting us back on track.
And I think less Miles is really taking over UM
(39:43):
in a good spot, and I hope that he can
just contain out of its program. Here's the hard part though, right,
It's like I'm torn because I saw him. They had
no facilities at Okalma State when he took over, and
he won there. But the league now, the league is
a spread league, and he's a guy who's always been
you know, kind of old school big ten run the football,
(40:04):
counter trays sort of guy. And I just don't know
if you can get those guys up front to control
the line of scrimmage at Kansas. How difficult do you
think that is? A kid? You I've been, That's I mean,
I think that time a football is done. So I think, um,
we got to continue to develop the spread that we're
running in UM that's the new cause offense. And you
(40:26):
gotta be able to score point. You gotta keep you
gotta keep up, especially in the Big twelve, and uh
keep up with these other offenses. So he's definitely need
a great offensive coordinator to come in. Hopefully have a
younger guy UM that has uh that's been pretty good
in this spread offense. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if
with Josh Henson who's offense court in Missouri. Now he's
(40:48):
at Oklahoma State as an offensive line coach. He played
for played from an Oklahoma State. That'd be interesting to see.
Chris Harris Jr. He does some fantastic work in the community,
so hosting free football cans for kids, implementing his Underdog
Success education program in the local Denver schools, holding winter
clothing drives with the local youth, homeless shelter shopping sprees
during holidays for underprivileged families, and much much more. You've
(41:10):
got an annual holiday event coming up. What is it?
We have my holidays with the Harris's. We tell this
every year. It just found the foundation event that that
reality help with the fundraising what we do in the community,
and we always gettempt to support. It's a big, it's
a great and everybody loves it every year, and of
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course I have all my teammates there. Well listen, Chris,
continued health and success and see if you can turn
this thing, turn this season around and get you above
five d. Congrats on beaten the Chargers in l A
last week and thanks for the good works you do
in the community. Appreciates me our guest on Fox Sports radio.
Oh yeah, no problem, all right. The guy who operates
in that no fly zone for the Denver Broncos, Chris
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Harris Jr.
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What Up America, Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio, comming
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where you're going? Kansas City? Is that in Kansas? Some
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I don't know. Stuck hollyp show here at Fox Sports Radio. UM,
if you're just joining us this week, I'm getting a
(01:06):
chance to actually call basketball games in the Caymans from
a dungeon somewhere in Kansas City. Also, got a chance
to watch a college basketball game USC and Texas Tech,
and I got a chance to watch last night's Monday
night football game. Don't you get to a second. But
being in Kansas City during last night's Monday night football
(01:27):
game was really telling, really interesting. Um One, if you
haven't been in Kansas it is a not a good
is a great sports town. Great Royals have always drawn
relatively well, considering they went twenty years without being relevant.
(01:47):
The Chiefs have always had great home field advantage. Sporting
casey does well, and of course you got KU football,
which is less than an hour away. KU basketball does
a lot better and generally and sports radio. It's considered
the second or third best regional sports market in terms
(02:07):
of per capita number of sports listeners, only the Boston
in the country. Pretty amazing, And I'm telling you last
night the the town was relatively shut down. Now, there's
a couple of different areas where people go out. Westport
is one. The other is the Power and Light District,
(02:28):
which is an indoor kind of outdoor in downtown. Not
a ton going on last night. But this is the
true story. So I get done calling the basketball game.
I watched the first half of the football game and
then I I'm I'm watching the second half of the
basketball game, and when it gets done, I'm walking from
(02:50):
the Sprint Center to my hotel. It's like five blocks.
And I'm telling you, with every big plays I'm watching
on my phone, I can hear and I know it's
the power and light district, but people were outside, like
degrees outside. You can hear audible screams and yells. The
last night was a night, and obviously being in Kansas
(03:12):
City and my home being in Los Angeles, maybe I'm
a little bit too close to the forest to see
the trees. But it felt like anyone who I really
care about was watching sports on TV. Right. Maybe you
had something sports with your kids, but for the most part,
if you're home, you had there was Hoop on TV,
which is always good. But most of you watch Monday
(03:33):
night football. Without looking, I would guess fifty of the
homes in Kansas City or watching that game and what
they saw they liked. Even cheese fans are not They're
not They're not saddened today. They may not be emboldened.
(03:54):
They may understand that, uh, there's some things that they
got to work on. Their young quarterback has not turned
the football her. But they had plenty of opportunities to
win that football game, plenty. But more than anything, it's fun, right,
It's fun. Even the victims of these terrible wildfires in
(04:17):
thousand Oaks for those four hours? Did you care about
anything else? Now that's the the incredible power of sport.
And if I'm Roger Goodell, I'm kicking up my feet
and anyone, including Jerry Jones, who questioned whether or not
I should make forty million dollars or fifty million dollars
(04:37):
or whatever. I'm not saying the NFL's problems are fixed,
but the solution this is like turning to the back
of the book where it has the answers to the problem.
The solution was on display last night. Teams struggling in
Los Angeles, not really give us a good product, a
(04:59):
big game. We'll show up and watch. The NFL's ratings
were down. You know what, Just play fun football. The
war on football guy. Everybody hates our sport. No, we
don't hate your sport. We're just trying to make it safer,
better and more offensive minded. The NBA did this years ago.
(05:24):
Look at how much more watchable it is. The NFL
is is king of the sports world. And so you
can sit here and tell me, no matter what you
do with the NBA, it's not the NFL, of course not.
There's eighty two games is opposed to sixteen games. The
NFL is a better TV spectator sports, much harder for
guys to take plays off as supposed to the NBA.
(05:45):
The adage in business is the customer is always right,
and the customer has spoken. Did you watch last night?
Did you like what you're watching last night? It I
don't know if it's the best regular season game I've
ever seen. It doesn't even matter. I had fun. I
had fun. It was so good and so watchable and
(06:09):
so thrilling that today I don't think anybody's pointing out
that Sean McVeigh completely strewed up on that last possession.
It was so good and so fun and so watchable
that no one seems to point out, you know, as
good as Pat Mahomes is kind of struggle a little
bit against zone and had a fumble which not totally
(06:29):
his fault, but ball security is his job. And the
last pick, what are you doing? What are you doing?
It was so good that anything else you were thinking about,
you were daydreaming about you wondered about you didn't? Oh, hey,
(06:50):
remember games are too long? How long was that game? Music?
Did you look up how long start to finish? That
game actually was three hours and forty two minutes. That's
a lot. That's a lot. No, who wants to at
past three hours and forty two minutes? I did base
But remember, baseball's too long. It's just too long. Who's
(07:12):
got three hours to watch baseball? No, No, baseball is
not too long. Baseball is too boring when it's actually
being played. That's all. Find a way to make more
action and we'll watch. Find a way to make more
offense and we'll watch. And that's all the NFL has done.
And Jarikov said it after the game, right, Jerikof said,
(07:34):
man felt like cal versus Texas Tech. Calverson Texas Tech. Wait,
I thought big twelve pack tell foot football is a joke. No,
it's awesome. It might not be the best football, but
it's the most watchable football. Please stop with the revs.
(07:56):
Ruined it. They did what officials always do in big games.
They call it super tight early, and they try and
call it super loosely. And at the end of the day,
you end up having over a hundred points scored. Like
you you're you're When you talk about this game, you're
not going to talk about the flag in the second quarter.
(08:19):
You're not gonna talk about any of the rulings from
Really in the season, the NFL figured it out. They
understand what the customer wants. They look to the back
of the book and they're like, Oh, you want scoring,
you want spread offense, you want young quarterbacks back there
slinging it. We gotta protect the quarterback at all costs.
(08:42):
They've done that with the rules. We got to promote
offense with our rule changes, especially throwing the football. They've
done that. We want to create an atmosphere that continues
to make the game more thrilling, more energetic, keeps it
moving faster. The brakes aren't as long, with some exception.
(09:02):
The reviews were on point, and that was damn fun football.
I've never been a Rams fan ever. The Rams when
I grew up, We're playing ten minutes from my house
in the same stadium my favorite baseball team occupied, and
I was just never all that into him. And even
now I can't fake it and tell you that I'm
(09:24):
a Rams fan, But damn was that fun to watch
him even in those god awful color rush uniforms. Those
are bad. They're bad. And then they're bad because their
normal uniforms either said traditional blue and yellow or the
white ones, the old school throwback l A Ram white uniforms.
Those are great unis and you don't have to doll
him up. But like, listen, this is the football that's
(09:50):
here to stay. It's what what the NFL wants. But
because what the what what the consumer wants? I didn't like.
I'll give you an example. I didn't like Notre dames
uniforms over the weekend. Notre Dame has incredible uniforms with
the gold helmets. The gold helmets have gold animals. Sure
(10:11):
you've heard that. That's like Ryan Fitzpatrick's from Harvard. And
the gold helmets are a mirror of the Golden Dome,
which is where the president of Notre Dame has his office.
It's a symbol, it's symbolic of the university they represent.
I would never have my team at Notre Dame put
on any helmet that wasn't gold. That said, the reason
Notre Dame is doing it is the reason it's here
(10:34):
to stay. That's what the consumer wants, whether it's the
old man buying a jersey or the kid who wants
to go play there. Sure there's some misses like Notre
Dame wearing those pinstriped pants and those awful helmets, even
though they look great against Syracuse. But for the most part,
it's a read and understand your consumer and find a
(10:55):
way to engage them and keep them engaged by understanding
their needs and desires and fulfilling them. That's how the
NFL did. We want offense. We want fast paced. We
want you to throw it more than run it. We
want high scoring. We love some glam shots and some
big name fans like jay Z and attendance. We want
(11:18):
crowds that are into it, and we want games that
come down to the wire. Check check check check check
check check. What a great night for football. Be sure
to catch live editions of The Doug Dot Leap Show
weekdays in noon eastern three pm Pacific on Fox Sports
Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Danna Jeremiah has
a great podcast. It's called Move the Sticks. He works
(11:40):
at the NFL Network. He covers Chargers game Chargers Radio
for a living. By the way, DJ, I'll be doing
the national radio feed as you guys are doing the
local radio feed this weekend. I love it. I love it.
A little little partner up there, but the uh, I'll
let you know where to go, get to food, the
whole deal. I got you covered, buddy, awesome, great stuff.
You can pick me up in your way up from
San Diego if you let's you stay up in the
(12:03):
night well car caravan, caravan to Carson together. Um, all right,
I'm just gonna say last night and you just give
me your stream of conscious go yeah. No, Look, it
was entertaining. It was as entertaining of football gamers I
can remember seeing. Um. I think whatever changes took place
from the Super Bowl in terms of the long term
(12:25):
uh impact of that Super Bowl last year, the shootout
between the Patriots and the Eagles, I think it was
kind of this was the exclamation point to that. As
the NFL continues to change. UM, I thought this kind
of just reinforced it. And I always look at everything
in a game like that through a personnel perspective, and
how does this impact what goes on in the off
season with the draft and free agency. And it is
(12:47):
a it is a load up on on offensive weapons,
and it is you better find as many pastors as
you can get because the rules the way they are,
you're not going to be able to cover these guys.
So you better have people who can get after the quarterback.
Mm hmmm. Um, I think though that they're also My
feeling is, hey, look at how much look at look
(13:08):
at America's reaction to that game. And while old school
football guy may be saying, you know, Vince Lombardi's rolling
over in his grave, they're just giving the customer what
they want. And what we got was a big, twelve caliber,
highly entertaining product with two young quarterbacks spinning it to
a lot of talented players. And maybe the difference is
the investment in the defensive line for you know, for
(13:31):
the rams that ended up being the difference in the game,
no question. I mean, I can give you a little
scene set here because that you know, I'm sure your
situation to the kid. The kids are all off this week, um,
and so it's kind of like the start of vocation.
One of the things we like to do at our
house that we play a lot of card games. Um.
So we're playing some cards and uh so my wife
and all the kids are sitting there at the games
on and my wife's not a big she's not a
(13:52):
big football fan. She's just not and and she's like,
this is the most entertaining thing I've ever seen. And
I'm sitting here and going like, Yeah, this is the
rich fans. This If you want to if you want
to make the tent larger, if you want to grow
the fan base, games like that will do it. Danna
Jeremiah joining us on the Doug Gotlip Show on Fox
Sports Radio. Am I going to be the only one
(14:13):
that points out Sean McVeigh completely butchered that last drive?
You know? I mean, look, look, they got the other
the opposition has three time outs. Okay, so on first
down you want to try and trick him, and I
don't know how Josh Reynolds was declared inbounds as they
wound the clock because he clearly was out of bounds.
(14:35):
But okay, you get away with it. Then you do
it again on second down and the ball gets battered down.
Now you have you have two choices, and him in
neither of these choices. Choice one is, hell with it.
Let's just run a true passing play and try and
get the first down, or let's make him burn a
time out by running the football. Instead, he runs a
little you know, quick screen pass out into the flat,
(14:56):
which is it basically a running play, but you know,
but does it has has no chance of getting a
first down. Okay, I'll be anxious to see when you
get some time, Doug, go back and watch the postgame
interview in the locker room with Todd Gurley and tell
me if you don't sense that he was a little
bit frustrated. Um, even though they won that football game,
I think probably overall lack of touches, and I would
(15:19):
guess probably at the end of the game. You know,
when you give the ball to a guy like that
in an offensive line like that, that's kind of there.
That's pride for those guys who go ahead and close
out the game. And uh, they didn't get the opportunity
to do that. Now. Fortunately Mahomes throw one up in
the air and they were able to get out of
there with a win. But yeah, just go when you
get a chance, go watch that interview. I will Dana
Jeremiah joining us in the Doug Got Live show Fox Sports. Ready,
(15:41):
you mentioned Pat Mahomes throwing one up in the air. Um, look,
I get how spectacular his arm talent is and how
he seems to really fit all of the different dudes
that they put out in front of him, but that
that was basically what I would watch for the Texas
Tech game, which is he made spectacular throws a text attack.
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On the other hand, he took chances he didn't have
to take, didn't always have the greatest ball security, And
I think that's kind of my fear is he's the
polar opposite of Alex Smith, who wouldn't take chances but
wouldn't make mistakes. Yeah, I think that obviously we can
everybody that will tell you how much higher his ceiling
is when he's at his best versus Alex Smith. But
(16:24):
I think everybody else would also have to admit that
Alex Smith's floor is a lot higher uh than Mahomes.
And I'm talking about a game to game basis. UM.
So that's something that's going to be challenging when you
get into the postseason. Possessions are priceless. Um. You can't
afford to turn the ball over. You turn over five times.
Now you can you can go glass half full and
talk about six touchdowns in all the wild plays. Um.
(16:46):
But man, it's it's gonna be tough for them if
if you turn the ball over like that to get
through a stretch in the postseason that you need to
get through. So I definitely think Andy Raid deserves credit
for raining him in for the most part, because when
I watched him at Tech, I wrote down on my
paper screens and scrambles. I mean, that was what it was.
It was just screens and scrambles and you know, wow,
what plays you know, one places while the next place
(17:07):
of what. And he's done a pretty good job of
reining that in. But we've seen now a couple of times.
I guess I think it was early in the in
the New England game and now you see it in
this one that the turnovers got him. Okay, So who's
the team more likely to be in Super Bowl between
those two? I'll say the Chiefs. Uh even having said
what we just said, just because as long as the
(17:28):
road in the NFC goes indoors through New Orleans, I
don't see anybody beating that team. What what is it
about New Orleans that's allowed them to their defensive backfield,
especially one side of it. I mean, Eli Apple hasn't
impressed anybody in the NFL. But he's actually an upgrade
over what they had there previously. They're still searching for,
(17:48):
you know, a second wide receiver. How have they been
able to do this considering those two weaknesses, Well, they're
getting better. They're getting better, and they're getting some pressure.
They're getting some push up front with their with their front,
So that's gonna that's gonna make anybody in the back
end look a little bit better. But the other thing is, man,
when when you can dedicate bodies to coverage because you
always constantly have the other team in a chase mode
(18:10):
where you don't have to worry about them running the football. Um,
it makes it a little bit easier on your coverage team. So, uh,
you know they're staying. The thing with them is hopefully
they end up getting Marcus Davenport back, who was really
starting to come on. Uh, they get another guy up front.
Then again that their their whole answers should be just
let's just rush for um and we can devote more bodies.
If you don't like the bodies you have in coverage,
(18:31):
you can devote more bodies coverage. And that's what they'll do.
But I mean, look that they're about their offense, and
I just don't think you when we talk about their
defense playing better, it's not even really gonna matter if
Drew Brees stays in the zone he's in right now
and he gets to be indoors. Uh. I mean they
just good luck. I don't know how you slow that
group down. Um okay, So here's what I've come to
(18:55):
learn and watch the NFL feels like there's there's three
different styles that that and and let's take the Patriots
maybe out of it, because they'll do whatever it takes
to just win every individual game. But there's one style
which is the same style, which is massive personnel groupings. Right,
all different sorts of personnel groupings, and based upon those
(19:15):
group beings, they're trying to find the one key mismatch
with the defenses personnel group is the defenses matchup. Then
you have the Rams, who basically come out in the
same formation every time, and they run a bunch of
different variations of the exact same look. Everything looks exactly
the same, only you know, until the ball is snapped, obviously.
(19:37):
And then you have the Chiefs and the Bears, and
where you have a lot of prestap movement, you know,
and a lot of slight of hand, but it's really
not complex once the ball is snapped. It's just a
way of making it all kind of look different even
though it's all the same. If you're starting NFL team,
and granted you don't start anything from scratch, what do
(19:59):
you think the most Well, I go back to UH.
I think we might even have talked about this last week,
but with all the Chiefs and you, you talk about
the different personnel groupings and the eye candy and the
zone reads and the r P O S. I coming
back to the same thing. I've seen some of the
most UH, consistently explosive offenses in the NFL be able
(20:20):
to to run that Shanahan and we see it with mcveighum.
That whole tree of offense and the heads its roots
in the West Coast where everything looks the same. Your
run zone, UM, you run inside zone, you run outside zone,
you play action off that zone. UM. And that's something
that's an offense that you've seen some of the better
offense NFL over decades. I'm not talking about a fad
(20:41):
this year, the last year, the last decade. I'm talking
going back thirty years I've seen that formula work. So
if I was going to start a start a group
and and try and put together a you know, the
personnelity and the offense that you want to run, that's
the one I'm going with. Let's let's discuss the charge
of the team that you call their games for a living. Uh.
That felt like one where they got some penalties Philip
(21:05):
rivers with a terrible decision down the stretch. You may
to call bad decisions throughout the game. Here's a team
with all the talent in the world. They get Joey
Bosa back, and yet they lose at home to the Broncos.
How troubling is it? Yeah, it's one. I mean when
you look at the schedule and you look at road
games coming up at Pittsburg in the frontime game at
(21:25):
Kansas City in a short week, in a primetime game.
You gotta go face this Broncos team at the end
of the year on the road, which is a tough
place to play. Man, you can't afford to give one away.
And when you have fourteen penalties, you turn the ball
over twice, you've got a chance up nineteen to seven
to just close the door, and you've get not only
an interception down there, but an interception and return inside
(21:48):
the Uh and all of a sudden, you've got a
ball game. Um. And then you mentioned the end of
the game scenario where Philip Rivers just kind of had
a little bit of a brain freeze there instead of
taking a sack and running forty seconds off the clock,
runs two seconds off the clock. Once he got you know,
saw von Miller jump out there again on the screen,
and its natural instinct was just to dirt the ball.
(22:08):
So just so many, so many, many many mistakes. Um.
And that being said, there they still had the game
in their hand and they couldn't tackle. So you give
up the drive at the end of the game. But
you know, sixteen games, Doug, it's you're gonna have a
game like this, you're gonna give one away and uh.
And that that hopefully, if you're a Charger fan, you
hope they got out of their system and they get
(22:29):
right back on the crack. Um. Okay, I'm watching the
Carolina Panthers, who are a better team than Detroit Lions.
The Lions lose carry on Johnson, they're running back and
yet so so they could go to overtime. They simply
kick an extra point one Gono had missed an extra
point to be fair, But they go for two. They
(22:49):
don't get it, they lose the game, and somehow nobody
seems to care, Like, look, I get that, we want
you know, we were tired of the prevent defense. Hell
Condoleeza Rice, even when she said she wasn't interested in
the Brown's job, did say she ever got a job.
She ain't prevent defense. Right. But but this idea that
(23:13):
going for always, it's it goes to the McVeigh thing
to like this idea of always going for it, it's
just being aggressive is better? Like no kick, You're the
better team? Detroit had I think was what like thirteen
first downs eleven we're running the football and the running
back got heard like this is you the better the team,
(23:33):
the more you want football to be played, because you're
more likely to win the game. Help me out with
how we got to this place where it's go for
it and nobody asked, nobody asks the question whereas playing
it's smart and sometimes conservatively and you're the worst person
on earth. Sure, Well, let's let's go a couple of
different things here. First of all, um the phrase it's
a cliche, but it's accurate. Is copycat league last year
(23:55):
that the Philadelphi Eagles, you know when that Super Bowl
playing ultra aggressive, UM, going for it multiple times, you know,
Philly special the whole nine yards and so you saw
that aggressiveness, in some case over aggressiveness rewarded UM. So
that was kind of that's what teams had to sit
and think about the whole offseason. Okay, that's team just one.
The whole thing. They've been alter aggressive. Let's be alter aggressive.
(24:16):
I think there's something to that UM. I think also,
you know, on that one, I guess the analytics were
kind of I've heard mixed results on what you should
have done according to the analytics, but there's a little
bit of that uh involved in it. My my issue
was not that they went for it. My issue is
I was trying to go back through my brain and
I've seen every game Cam Newton's played college. Now, I
(24:37):
haven't studied every NFL game that he's played, but I
sure up studied a lot of them. And I'm trying
to find the time when they had a short, heearded
situation and they wanted to run quarterback power at six
ft five and two fifty five pounds. I'm trying to
remember the last time somebody stopped Cam Newton. So I
don't necessarily have a problem with them going for it there.
I just don't know if a pure dropback play is
(24:59):
isn't one I were called it's it's it's stunning, it
really is. I mean, I call on the Annapolis Colts,
who as well as they've played, think of the tie
that they gave away against the Houston Texans. We dismissed
it and said, no, they're gonna win four games. Who cared?
I actually didn't, to be fair. To be fair, I
actually didn't dismiss it. I thought said was stupid, you know,
(25:21):
And I mean just it was just dumb. And people like, well,
you know he's aggressive, he went forward. They're not gonna
win like you said, they're gonna win four games. Um
is Andrew Luck back in the discussion, is one of
the two one of the best quarterbacks in the league. Man,
is he good? I mean he just kind of it's
all coming back to you now, you're like, oh, that's
the guy that we all talked about, hyped up and
uh and believed in. I was talking to an executive
(25:43):
from another team actually in the NFC, so they wouldn't
really have to worry about it. But he was saying,
you know, if the uh, if I was in the
a f C, I don't want any part of that
guy in the postseason. As hot as he can get
and as good as he's playing, I don't care what
they have around him. I wouldn't want to see him.
M hmm, DJ, great stuff. Look forward to seeing you
this Sunday and UH always love your work on on
(26:07):
Move the Sticks. Thanks for joining us on Fox Sports Radio.
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug dot
Leap Show week days in noon eastern three pm Pacific. Yeah.
I think it's interesting that no one seems to be
pointing out no one's easily be pointing out what happened
at the end of the game. Um. I listened to
(26:28):
the entire postgame press conference and there wasn't one single
question about what the hell was he doing at the
end of the game. Right here, here's the way it works. Okay,
they get an interception and there was a a buck
(26:49):
nine to go in the game, and the Rams celebrating,
they're hugging each other and there they're celebrating, Oh, we
we won the championship. You didn't actually win the championship.
You don't have home field advanced throughout, and the Chiefs
have three time outs. If it takes somewhere between five
(27:11):
and eight seconds to run every play minute nine to
go with three time outs, the other teams are going
to get the football back with you know, a little
bit less than a minute to go, a minute ago,
and all you need is a field goal in good
weather at the l A Coliseum. That's not crazy. Not crazy. Now,
(27:34):
it should be pointed out that in addition to Sean
McVeigh screwing up, so too to Tyreek Hill. All right,
the punt goes deep, He starts at like the fifteen
yard line, is scrambling back, catches it inside the five
yard line. Had he let it go, they would have
gotten at the twenty yard line with about fifty seconds
to go. Fifty two fifty three seconds to go in
the game again, no time outs. But all they would
(27:57):
have had to do is drive down forty yards and
give themselves a chance. Can pat Momes do that, we
were told by Clip Kingsbury, can throw the ball eighty
yards in the air. They have the fastest player in
the NFL. I think they could have done that. But
when you get the ball with a minute nine to
go and you have a great running back, I don't know.
(28:20):
Here's just a thought. You run the ball, all right,
you don't want to run the ball, take a knee.
You can take a knee on first and second down.
You could even if you want to throw it and
go for it on third down, fine, fine, Or even
on second down. If you want to run the ball
on first down, make music time out, come on on
(28:42):
second down in some bunch formation, tower a tight formation,
go with jumbo and run play action to try and
trick them. Fine, but they threw it on first down,
a little flat pass out, the play action pass out
into flat super safe. Josh Reynolds catches it, actually went
out of bounds that they didn't call him out of bounds.
They wind the clock, all right, the clocks wanting now,
(29:03):
So the Chiefs used their first time out. Second down,
they run essentially the same play, only to the right side,
and of course it was batted down. That third play
they run some sort of screen pass. So the Chiefs
ended up having to use two of their three time outs.
But what are you what are you doing? And the
(29:25):
idea that there that the result was Wow, they won
the game, so it doesn't matter you haven't they put
themselves in position where they had to try and stop
the Kansas City Chiefs with fifty five seconds to go,
bad field position. That's only because tyree Khill tried to
field ball and run out that he didn't have to,
but the Chiefs still had one time out. Why would
(29:48):
you do that? You're not taking losing off the table.
But but the same thing we we so many people
hailed Sean McVeigh about, right, was Todd Gurley, you know,
essentially kneeling down at like the two yard lines that
are running into touchdown. Going back a couple of weeks
(30:09):
ago against the Green Bay Packers. Oh those guys, they
totally get the time and the score and what's at stake,
and that the Packers had no timeouts so they couldn't
stop the clock. That's so genius. Why aren't we saying
the same today? What we saying? He completely and totally
butchered that thing. Look, John Calipari butchered in the National
(30:36):
Championship game. They're playing Yukon. They end up they were
losing anyway, but the decisions on when to foul and
when to call a time out and when to not foul.
Going back a couple of years ago when Yukon, it's
hard to remember, Yukon like five years ago won a
national championship, but did in fact happen. I cannot believe
a ten minute press conference and that one guy was like, hey, Sean,
(30:59):
what God's name were you're doing? Like, like listen, Sean
McVeigh came to the l a Rams from the Washington Redskins.
The guy who preceded him with the Redskins, a guy
(31:23):
who's a little bit older than him, but a close friend,
kind of same, some of the same, some of the
same family, but proceeded him with with the Redskins is
Kyle Shanahan. With the Atlanta Falcons in field goal range
up three in the Super Bowl, all they had to
(31:45):
do was run the football or take a knee kick
a field goal win the game. They didn't do it,
and it's one of the things that sparked the greatest
comeback in the history of the Super Bowl. And I'm
all for going for it in the right circumstances. I'm
(32:05):
all for youth being served young coaches with great energy
and great enthusiasm and getting everybody to buy into new
ideas and new concepts. That that's great, and I don't
love when teams get super super super conservative. But it
was almost as if they were trying to be they're
trying to outsmart everybody. Well, we're not going to continue
(32:29):
to be who we were and spread you out and
beat you that way. Instead, we're gonna try and do
some play action and hit a guy in the flat
two times in a row. Just run the football first
and second down right, and then on third down you
try and figure out, all right, are we gonna run
the football? We might have gotten front. You do have
Todd Gurley, you do have one of the best, if
(32:51):
not the best, offensive line in football. And it's not
like the Kansas City Chiefs have some juggernaut up front.
It's not like you said, theyre going like whoa Kansas
City comes down, watch out for their uh rush defense.
Like that's not even how they're built. Fox Sports Radio
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R to listen live. One of the biggest upsets maybe
this year in the NFL. Is happened last week in
l A in Carson with the Chargers. Chargers were up
big early, chance to put away the Broncos, and then
an interception turns the table. Uh. One of one of
(33:35):
the two interceptions was by our next guest, Chris Harris Jr.
Of course, he of the no fly zone fame, joins
us in the Doug Gottlib Show on Fox Sports Radio. Chris,
thanks so much for joining us. You're playing the Chargers,
things aren't going well. How are you guys able to
turn that game around? We just knew that we uh,
we just had to. We knew we had those two
(33:56):
time overs that can definitely help change the game. And
then uh, just finishing that three four minute drive. That's
situation from football that we practice and we just trying
to get get our offensive ball enough time to score.
And that's what we did. What Philip Rivers say to
you when you're screaming at you, yeah, oh man. He
(34:16):
was like, man, We're coming at you all day. Man.
And when he was screaming at me like that, all right,
oh yeah, I'm about to get a pick. Now that
he did get you that. I think it was one
of the touchdowns where it looked like he was sacked
in the end zone. You know, she's not in the
end zone in the red zone. Looked like he was
sacked and all of a sudden, I don't know if
he pumped, faked or somehow. You know, Philip is not
(34:38):
the most elusive guy in the world, but sometimes like
the red Sea, like two yards and then all of
a sudden, you know, Keenan Allen becomes open behind you.
How confusing was that for it? Uh? Well, they did
a motion to where we switched where the safety of
garden and I was just I was just uh playing
the middle of to feel safety and I just, h yeah, pumping.
(34:58):
I thought he's about to throw it. I thought have
to pick six, and uh, the other safety never was
able to get back on track and he was just
able to get that open. Chris Harris Jr. Joining us
in the Doug Otlip Show on Fox Sport Trading. We
pointed out before you joined us that you've played all
of these top teams, right, you played the Chiefs, you
played the Chargers, you played the Rams. Who's the best? Uh, Honestly,
(35:22):
I think the Rams are I think they have the
running game the top Gurley uh what they do. And
also I think once they got to keep back then
that's gonna make them even better. So I would say
right now, I would say the Rams are probably the best.
You know, um I I started the show and I've
talked about this throughout the show that last night the
NFL got what they wanted, right. They want fifty point
(35:45):
games because fans seem to want it. But it makes
makes your job more difficult, whether it's the line of
scrimmage or in coverage. Obviously makes defensive lineman's job far
more difficult. How different is it for you now than
when you joined the league in terms of the difficult
salty of doing your job because the way the game's officiated.
Definitely now in the last I would say four years,
(36:07):
and probably men the hardest years just being able to
how they implemented the illegal touching um uh they're they're
really big on the p I s and uh. And
then what the offenses they're doing now they're creating, they're
they're running the best play they've created. Um. What they've
done with implement the college offenses to the game, they
(36:29):
made it extremely harder on the defense. So with all
that said, I mean when you got corners that can
still make plays like myself and still play at a
high level, that makes it rare. How do you maintain
your positivity? Right? This is a year people were talking
about Vans getting fired before the season never began and
after after you know, starting now to know, you guys
(36:51):
had so many close losses. Four points to the Chiefs,
three points to the Rams, a touchdown to the Chiefs
on the road, that Texans game barely got away from
your nineteen seven. Obviously you finally one one, but those
close losses For a guy who's seen the wins and
seen the Super Bowls, how do you how do you
keep the positivity? Yeah? You just keep fighting. Man. We
know we're still on the hunt, and uh, we just
(37:13):
want to try to run the table as much as
trying to win every game as much as possible and
keep fighting. Uh, this this team is staying together and
uh that's that's one thing that's different than last year.
I think we kind of kind of broke up a
little bit at the end, and I think this year
everybody's staying together, continuing to fighting, continuing to prepare to
win because we know we make a little make extra
(37:35):
play or two in those games. Uh, limit a couple
of those mistakes. Man. We could possibly, we could our
record could be totally different. I mean we've lost tons
of games by closed points and been in every every game.
Chris Harris your join us stock got Lip Show, Fox
Sports Radio, No Fly Zone? Uh? Uh the sergeant of
the No Fly Zone. Uh? Did pac Man Jones basically
(37:55):
told the world he got released before anybody else knew
he got released? Did he tell you before he tweeted out? No,
he didn't tell me, but I talked to him, man,
and uh, I was definitely sad to see pac Man go.
I thought he was. He's been. He's been great mentor
for the guys, great in the locker room, and uh,
I just wish him the best. I want to ask
(38:16):
you about Philip Lindsay, like comes in relative unknown, takes
the position and in many ways and it's been outstanding.
Did you know he had to send him? Oh yeah,
when I've seen him first, seeing him playing and O
T s and seeing how how dynamic he was, then
I definitely thought he was gonna make the team. And uh,
(38:37):
he has that pitbull mindset. Man, he doesn't. He doesn't
have any fear with anybody. He's gonna because he could
run over anybody. I mean, I think if he's seen
Luke Kinckley right there in front of him, you try
to run over him. So the guy plays with no fear.
And uh, he's been huge for us, and he's got
that extra gear. He hit that hole with the chargers
and there's guys that had angles on him and they
(38:58):
they still couldn't catch him. It's one thing to have
that no fear, but he definitely has a lead speed
at the running back and uh uh he can he
can bust at any time. Alright, So Kansas your alma mater,
a place that was last good really when you were there. Um,
Kansas goes out and and hires less Miles. What's your reaction?
(39:21):
I love it, man. I think he's gonna be great. Um.
I think he's gonna be the opposite of what Charlie
Wats was was. Um he really Charlie really kind of
almost really destroyed the program. He was kind of players
like it was the NFL man were because they really
good an excellent job of just getting us back on track.
And I think less Miles is really taking over UM
(39:43):
in a good spot, and I hope that he can
just contain out of its program. Here's the hard part though, right,
It's like I'm torn because I saw him. They had
no facilities at Okalma State when he took over, and
he won there. But the league now, the league is
a spread league, and he's a guy who's always been
you know, kind of old school big ten run the football,
(40:04):
counter trays sort of guy. And I just don't know
if you can get those guys up front to control
the line of scrimmage at Kansas. How difficult do you
think that is? A kid? You I've been, That's I mean,
I think that time a football is done. So I think, um,
we got to continue to develop the spread that we're
running in UM that's the new cause offense. And you
(40:26):
gotta be able to score point. You gotta keep you
gotta keep up, especially in the Big twelve, and uh
keep up with these other offenses. So he's definitely need
a great offensive coordinator to come in. Hopefully have a
younger guy UM that has uh that's been pretty good
in this spread offense. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if
with Josh Henson who's offense court in Missouri. Now he's
(40:48):
at Oklahoma State as an offensive line coach. He played
for played from an Oklahoma State. That'd be interesting to see.
Chris Harris Jr. He does some fantastic work in the community,
so hosting free football cans for kids, implementing his Underdog
Success education program in the local Denver schools, holding winter
clothing drives with the local youth, homeless shelter shopping sprees
during holidays for underprivileged families, and much much more. You've
(41:10):
got an annual holiday event coming up. What is it?
We have my holidays with the Harris's. We tell this
every year. It just found the foundation event that that
reality help with the fundraising what we do in the community,
and we always gettempt to support. It's a big, it's
a great and everybody loves it every year, and of
(41:34):
course I have all my teammates there. Well listen, Chris,
continued health and success and see if you can turn
this thing, turn this season around and get you above
five d. Congrats on beaten the Chargers in l A
last week and thanks for the good works you do
in the community. Appreciates me our guest on Fox Sports radio.
Oh yeah, no problem, all right. The guy who operates
in that no fly zone for the Denver Broncos, Chris
(41:55):
Harris Jr.
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