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David Gascon. We are all a family for the next
four hours on this Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving, Bucky, Oh, Happy,
Happy thanks Mike. But it's all good. It is all good.

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It is all good. Happy Thanksgiving to John Ramos who
is here today, Eric Roberts, Happy Thanksgiving to you guys,
and David Gascon who is doing his work. I know
he's editing and whatnot. I I want to bring everybody
in to the show with the simple fact of we
have got a lot on our Thanksgiving menu. We have
got we've got game time, We've got what does the

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Fox say, We've got a Thanksgiving Draft. We've got awards
that we're gonna be handing out from today's Bears, Lions, game,
so much to go on, plus look ahead to the
NFL actions tonight and look ahead to the NFL action
in week twelve. Plus last night in the NBA continued
some interesting storylines as the Warriors are just having a
time with it. Yeah, it is a tough time to

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be a Golden State Warrior fan, Laker fan, different stories.
Lebron returned to Cleveland. All of that over the next
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Bears Lions were early in the fourth quarter. Chicago has
just taken a sixteen to thirteen lead on the Lions
thanks to the efforts of well Chase Daniel gets the
start today for Chicago a place of the injured Mitchell Trabinsky.
Just through a second touchdown past of the game, this
one to Tarik Cohen. So the Bears are up three

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on the Lions with less than a quarter to go.
Tough game for the Chicago Bears. Short turnaround time. They've
played a bunch of division games, uh, without a lot
of rest, and so you don't see the normal juice
and energy that you've grown accustomed to seeing from Matt
Naggie squad. But they're putting together a workman like performance.
They just took the lead. Chase Daniel has played well
in place of Mitchell Dubinski. Uh. If that defense can

(02:34):
get cranked up produce a turnover in the fourth quarter,
I think we can see the Bears kind of put
a vice grip on the NFC North. This seems to
be like such a game where the Bears just let's
just make it through. We're and the point was made.
We're talking pre show. Thursday night football is usually Thursday night,
but Thanksgiving it's obviously an earlier start in Detroit. It's

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twelve thirty easterns for their start nine thirty up here
on the West coast. But the Bears had to play
a Sunday night game, and usually Bucky I don't I
don't buy into the three hours extra rest that you
may get if you had to play a one o'clock
Eastern time compared to a four five Eastern time. But
I do think playing a Sunday night game is different.
And you mentioned the division run that the Bears have

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been on. Heck, that just played the Lions twelve days ago.
You had that Vikings game last week. This is a
quick turnaround if they can survive this. We talked about
yesterday whether the Bears are the third best team in
the NFC or not. But all you gotta do is
survive today, and right now it seems like they're surviving.
They probably had the most difficult task of anybody, considering
how short of a turnaround it actually was. It is

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a crazy turnaround. Just so everyone understands what an NFL
practice week schedule, like your work week is. When you
play on Sunday night, Monday, you will come in and
because the game is on Thursday, they probably gave the
players Monday off so the players didn't have to come in.
They're trying to recover or whatever. Tuesday is really the

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only day that you really can have a legitimate practice,
and even then guys are banged up, beat up. Uh,
it's probably a modified walkthrough. Wednesday you have a walkthrough
and his travel day, meaning that they traveled to Detroit
on Wednesday, Wednesday afternoon, did the meetings and stuff at
the hotel, and in Thursday's game day. So in essence,

(04:20):
the Bears are trying to play a game where they
may have practiced one time. They may have had two
days worth of meetings to get ready for the Detroit Lions.
If they're able to win this um, the silver lining
is they get ten days off. They'll get this full
long weekend. They may not bring him back into the
building until maybe Tuesday, and then they'll be able to

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go to work, and so this could be a mini
bye week for the Bears. But they just have to
survive today's game against the Lions. It looks like the
Lions have practiced twice all season. The way that things
have played now, now that's a that's a shot. There's
a lot of pieces missing with the Lions. And when
you look what what's gone on this season with Detroit.
There was obviously the trade of Golden Tate to Philadelphia.

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He's gone, Karria Johnson jures his knee, he's not playing,
Marvin Jones is out. Their offensive firepower is extremely limited
from what has gone on over the past three or
four weeks of this season just doesn't seem that there
is a lot right now in Detroit. And I know,
I know you've got Darius Slay and Glover Quinn in

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that secondary. I just don't know what Detroit can hang
their hat on except maybe a Thanksgiving miracle. Is now
they are down by three. There's just doesn't seem to
be much of the cupboard for the Lions. No, there's
not a lot. And I know they're trying to their
a team in transition and a tough thing about the Lions.
I want to say, they were nine and seven tennesse
six last year and the gym call will they let

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Jim call will go. Um. He was loved and revered
by those players. Um, you have a guy who was
more of a I won't say a player friendly coach,
but he gave them a lot of leeway. He expected
them to be professionals. Well, then man Patricia comes in
and he runs it very similar to the way they
rented in New England. Not saying that it's miserable, but
it's very very discipline, very uh militaristic. Is I guess

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the term that you would call a lot of structure,
a lot of organization, a lot of meetings, heavy workload
when it comes to practice in the meetings, and the
players are trying to get adjusted to it, and the
coaches are also trying to get used to the super
long hours. It's exhausting in terms of how they taxed
you mentally and physically. It's always just a different team.

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And then when you're a team that is trying to
kind of reshape the way the team is, they want
to be more of a blue collar team than the
flashy team that they were in previous years. That's why
the Golden Tap goes, That's why some of the other
players have gone. It's different. It's just a different way
of playing, especially when you have a big money quarterback
like Matt Stafford. We're accustomed to seeing him slinging all

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over the yard and have big numbers each and every week.
Does my way of the highway work? Because it sure
seemed to have been a a unique start to the
tenure with with Matt Patricia even in training camp for
the amount of work that they did these this last month.
If I'm gonna talk about their deals, I'm also going
to talk about uh, please sit up and have some

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respect when you asked the question in the press conference.
We have the outdoor we have the outdoor practice for
the Lions when they aren't playing outdoors like it's I
I get it to be prepared for the conditions that week,
but they're playing back to back home games. But he
goes out there and told yeah, I mean, it just

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doesn't make any sense. And I know he's out there
with the shorts and you know, being the tough guy.
But I I just it's one of those things where
I look at the Lions and say, maybe if this
was his second go around and he had success somewhere else.
But the Belichick tree stuff only goes so far, and
I just I don't think it's resonating with the Lions now.
In the end, four years from now, maybe they'll have

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the last laugh. I just don't see it working with
what the Lions average. It's tough to everybody who leaves
New England. Um, they're so influenced an impacted by Belichick,
and obviously they should be because he's maybe the greatest
coach in NFL history. However, the one thing that you
have to be when you're a football coach, you have
to be authentic. Whoever you present yourself to be in

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front of the players that needs to be who you are,
because they'll smell a lot if your phony, if you're
trying to be a fake tough guy, if you're trying
to be something that you're not, it doesn't go a
long way. And I think for all head coaches, but
for Maddie p he is trying to figure out how
to be the head coach of a new program. What
is like authentic in terms of this is me? What
is kind of the leftover and remnants of the new

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England program? How can I make this team tougher? And
I understand he wants to make this team tougher. Part
of them practicing outside is a kind of toughen them
up mentally to be able to endure the conditions. It's
just tough because when you are radically different than your predecessor,
you better win games because then they start looking at
you sideways, like why are we doing this stuff and

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the results aren't coming. I also think that Bill Belichick
has something that maybe his disciples don't have, and it's
something that we don't see cent of the time. I
think he does, and you would be able to answer
this better. But in my opinion, he does have a
personality to have a relationship with players. Now, he may

(09:21):
get rid of you a year too early than a
year too late. That's it's kind of been that that mode.
But we've seen an NFL film stuff. I remember the
video of Randy Moss wanting to have the Halloween party
and Bill being warmed to it, and we've seen behind
these scenes. To me Nakie's friends with Jon bon Jovi,
it seems that Belichick maybe relates a little bit more.
And I'm just wondering if that is an issue with

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maybe some of his disciples because they don't have a
personality like Belichick that can connect the players, or maybe
it's just a respect thing. But I think that could
be something that's missing. Yeah, I think that is something
that is definitely missing. Like there has to be a
level of connect civity between coaches and players. Um players
will tell you they really can't get excited about playing

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until they know that you really care about them. And
so I think the thing about Belichick is because he's
been so consistent in terms of how he's handled players,
they kind of understand, all right, this is how he is,
this is what the rules are. I need to be
compliant those things. With the coaches that are disciples, there's
not necessarily the same buying because I haven't seen you
win a Super Bowl. I don't I don't know if

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you can win without Belichick. You can be kind of
a guy that is very, very hardcore and tough, but
are we really gonna win because of all this um
A lot of times you have to win before they
fully buy in to what you're doing. So that's the
challenge that Patricia is facing right now. He has to
win enough to get to convince the players that my
way is the right way to go about building a champion.

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And while I've been bad mouthing Matt Patricia the whole
time and what they've done, the lines are driving in
right now inside the five yard line. They're gonna have
a third down and about two trailing the Bears by
three with eight and a half minutes to go in
the game in Detroit at Chicago sixteen Detroit in the
first of three Thanksgiving Day games. Today, He's Bucky Brooks.

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I'm Dan Buyer again. Thanks to John Ramos, Eric Roberts,
David Gascon, a part of us, part of our family
here on this Thanksgiving Day. So glad that you guys
could be here share it with us. I know you're
away from your families, so we appreciate it, and we
appreciate you listening on this holiday. If you're stuck in traffic,
like a few people are in southern California trying to
go to different destinations, or wherever you are around this country,

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thanks so much for tuning in. As I mentioned, we're
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Dan Buyer on Fox, and you can get Bucky. It's
simply enough at Bucky Brooks coming up next. It's a
showdown in Big D. But are the Redskins better able
to handle it with their backup? That question answered next
year on Fox Sports Radio. He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Dan Buyer,

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is so glad to have you on this Thanksgiving Day.
Bears and Lions tied up at sixteen apiece six minutes
to go in the game. Lions kicked a field goal
after being down to the Chicago three yard line. Unable
to convert on a third and short, so they kicked
the field goal, but tied up sixteen sixteen. No Mitchell
Trobisky today for Chicago. The Bears quarterback out with the

(12:17):
Bruce shoulder, so Chase Daniel is the starting quarterback and
so far as thrown for two hundred and thirty yards
and two touchdowns. Matthew Stafford efficient thirty one but just
two hundred and thirteen yards and no touchdowns. The Lions
getting their touchdowns courtesy of a couple of La Garrett
Blunt touchdown run Street Cohen and took to kwan Zell

(12:39):
with a touchdown. Smoke, Smoke Myzell, Smoke Myzelle. Oh my god.
Where is he from? He played at University of Virginia,
but he like away from here. I worked for the opening.
Nike has a series of camps. Uh. It always cultiminated
in a thing that we did at Nike headquarters. Smoke
was on one of my seven seven squads. Great kid.

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I'm excited to see him play. He's finally got his
opportunity because he's bound around a little bit. He went
to Baltimore for a little bit. Um had great preseason,
never quite stuck same thing in Chicago. So for him
to finally have an opportunity to play him, excited for him,
good for him, and I apologize for It's my zel, right, yeah, yeah,
that was my That was my bad. Redskins Cowboys coming

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up in about an hour. We'll get to that Falcons
and Saints. I'm curious about this, Bucky. When you think
of Thanksgiving Day in football, what memories come into your mind?
Is it is it professionally in your NFL career, is
it growing up? Is it what? What? What triggers? What?
What do you think of when you think of Thanksgiving

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Day when it comes to the NFL. I think of
football all day, and I'm trying to figure out, like
everybody's family tradition, when do you eat? Did you eat
before the four o'clock game? Do you eat in the
middle of the first game? When is it time to
go dig into the spread? That's so that's what I

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always think about, because when you go to different people's houses,
like when you're a kid, you're coming up and you're
in college, you go to a girlfriend's house or anything,
you always kind of like, hey, they canna put the
game on? And if the game isn't like it, does
everybody have to eat at the table? Can we can
we watch? Can we watch the game is so perfect
because the TV was always sound like there was a

(14:28):
tradition and I went to I had I had the
double places, the two places to go on Thanksgiving growing up,
So we would go to something on my mom's side,
and that would be at about eleven thirty twelve. That
was in Wisconsin Central time zone. And now Matthew Stafford
is just thrown a pick six um that didn't seem
to happen as much, but that that was you would eat.

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It would be about second quarter issues what you would start,
so the game would would have started. They didn't really
try to stagger it with the Lions game at that time.
But then you would go to the next place and
it would be right around the start. So we always
were eating like in the first quarter of of football,
whether it be for the lunch of the Lions game
or the dinner of the Cowboys game. That was always

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the thing for me. But it was weird to hear
that people didn't watch football and some households it was
always on right because I've been to some of those
households where the TV is not on and I'm like,
what do you like? We know the game is all right.
There's there. They're football games on all day and the
TV is not on and people are playing board games

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or doing whatever, and I'm like, what what are we doing?
If that was a girlfriend, that's how you know she's
not for you, that would be seriously, what are we doing?
We're not watching the game. Was it at a day
and age where you couldn't check scores on your phone? Yeah, yeah,
that's even worse. Yes, you just you looking at the

(15:57):
TV open to get it up day. You hope they
turn on the TV just to watch something else where.
Maybe they'll scroll past the game as they're going to
some Christmas movie or some other thing. But yeah, I've
I've i haven't been there as much, but it's it
happened to me once when I moved out to California,
didn't have a place to go. Was invited to a

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place to enjoy Thanksgiving and everybody sat around the kitchen
table and I'm like the cowboys doing it's a it's
a waste of a TV. And so so I know
that as well. I and I joked about this Sunday morning,
and I've done it. So I apologize if you've heard
it before. But one of my memories is always watching
the Silver Dome and I and I've always felt that

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the Silver Dome Bucky was a stadium where half the
lights worked because it just had that dark, dingy feel.
And so to watch and to see the Silver Dome
in that dark sort of setting of the Pontiac Silver Dome,
that is what thanks Giving means to me. That's where
I can taste the turkey and and for some reason,

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the mashed potatoes that were always made on one side
of the family, we're awful, Like there was no it's
like they boiled the potatoes. It just mashed them and
put no salt or pepper or butter or anything and
just served it. So I have a have a memory
of great delicious turkey and no taste mash during the

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Lions I think, I think, what okay, So I think
the funny thing about Thanksgiving everyone has kind of grown
up in their own level of tradition. They have their
own things, like when you grew up in your house,
your mom kind of push the plate out a certain way.
You're used to seeing some dishes. Well, then when you
start blending families or you're going to other people's places,

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and that craper sauce doesn't look like my mom's cut,
you know. Oh those are those creamyans? Look weird? I'll
pass on those. Uh, we know what kind of stuff
is that. You can't lie either and be like before. Yeah,

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you can't be like I'm full, Like nobody's full starting
to Thanksgiving. There's a reason why you only put two
beans on your play instead of the usual twenty. Yeah,
we've all been there. We've all been there. By the way,
there was Eddie Jackson with the interception for the Bears.
Another return I think is fifth of the season for Chicago.
They're now up again twenty three to sixteen. David Gascon
I'll have the latest on this game coming up in

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about five minutes or so. So Redskins, Cowboys. It's the
other part of the Thanksgiving tradition. This this game has
happened before. We've seen it on Thanksgiving Day. But Dallas
comes in. I don't want to say red hot, but
they're playing pretty good football after they lost to the
Tennessee Titans on Monday night, a couple of road wins

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in Philadelphia and Atlanta. While the Redskins come in with
Colte McCoy now at starting quarterback, after a tough loss
last week against the Texans. I like the Cowboys. I
like they're playing. There's just something about it, Bucky that
I just am. I am pausing. I I still I
look at it as a whole, and I'm like, I
don't think the Cowboys are good enough to make it
three straight really really impressive performances. So I'm just wondering

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if today we're gonna see a little step back from
Dallas against Washington. Oh, you're not positive on the Cowboys.
I don't think that they're good. I like the other better.
On defense. I love their defensive front. I love that
they could get after it. And Ezekiel Elliott when he's
going into Mark Cooper has made a difference. It's just
I look at it as a whole. I take a
step back, and I don't look at each game as
an individual opportunity. I look at it as a whole.

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I think Dallas is good enough to go one and oh,
I just don't think Dallas is good enough to put
three really really strong performances together, which is what they
would have to do today against Washington. Yeah. I mean, look,
I can I can't het on you for that. I
think the big thing for Dallas. I do believe they
found their identity. The trick for them is can their

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offensive coordinator stay true to the identity of the team.
Scott Lenahan has a problem kind of understanding that this
is a team that has to be powered through Ezekiel Elliott.
They need to run the ball a lot, and then
they need to throw a complimentary play action passes off
of that. When they do that, they have a chance
to be really, really good. They control the clock, they
shrink the game, they make life easy for their defense,

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and they end up winning. The thing about that that
style doesn't really endear the offensive coordinators to broadcasters. That
style doesn't um get you kind of adjectives that offensive
coordinators like to hear, genius, guru, wizard, mastermind. It doesn't
work like that. And so for a lot of offensive coordinators,
I think Scott lenehand falls into this category. It is

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tough to play a style that doesn't bring the credit
back to you when people are looking at the game. Yeah,
it's easy to it's easy to say, well you do
is hand it off to Ezekiel Elliott, Like if you
want to you want to trick somebody, or you want
to do what Matt Naggie does against Look look at
what we drew up and on Tuesday when we did this. Yeah,

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there's no there's a there's a lot to that as well.
You know, it's funny. As a Seahawks guy, I heard
nothing about nothing but bad things about Brian Schottenheimer when
he was brought in as the offensive coordinator, and I
just used this as an example of if all you're
gonna do is say, hand the ball off to either
Chris Carson or Mike Davis or who's ever gonna hut

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Pennyo was ever gonna be in the backfield and you're
getting six yards, That's all I want you to do.
You know, you don't. You don't need to. You don't
need to. If you're the Dallas Cowboys, you don't need
to find a way. How do we get Tavon austin
the football? What is this creative way to do it?
If you're getting three and four yards in the first
quarter and then there's seven and eight in the third quarter,
that's all that you should ask for because it makes

(21:39):
football just a heck of a lot easier. Yeah, I
wonder so as a Seattle Seahawks fan, I do wonder,
how do you feel about the way the Seahawks are playing,
because it's counterculture at a time where everyone is throwing
the ball all over the yard. They're they're doing these
crazy plays, the flash sweeps and the shifts and the
double and triple motion. The Seattle Seahawks are coming down

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here hit you write out, yeah, and and I think
that if you look at how the rest of the
NFC shapes up, I don't think that they. I don't
think teams want Realistically, you may say they don't want
to face Aaron Rodgers and the Packers, that's one guy.
I don't think teams want to see Dallas and they
don't want to see Seattle in the playoffs. Those are
the two teams that I think that the the Rams,

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the Saints and and whoever else would would make into
the postseason in the NFC, they don't want to deal
with those teams. So in in in answering your question,
it's great because it's not silly stuff, and it and
it keeps a defense that has played better without the
legion of Boom off of the field a little bit more.
There's still some there's still some warts that they've got

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on defense. But if the offense is running the ball,
they're covering them up. And Dallas probably has fewer rewards
on defense with Chris Richard coming over from Seattle and
doing things that makes them even a little bit more dangerous.
So I actually think there's a lot of parallels to
what the two teams are doing, and and to me,
just to see that you can do something and be
counter to what another team would do. Jerry Jones said

(23:03):
up yesterday when you are and I were, and we
played him from his radio show, So we we can't
get into a shootout with the Rams and States, nor
would a team want to. So if you do something different,
if you are Seattle or if you are Dallas, I
think you've gotta be happy with where you are because
I don't think anybody would want to see in the postseason. No,
I love it. And because you're a Badger, I want
you to think about playing Wisconsin basketball alright. I'm Atario

(23:26):
played in North Carolina. Whenever Carolina matches up with Wisconsin
in the n C Double A Tournament, it's such a
contrasting style and no matter how much Carolina wants to
speed the game up, Wisconsin can always slow it down,
so they make you play on their terms. And so
for the Dallas Cowboys in the Seattle Seahawks, I believe
the way that they play, they can make those high

(23:47):
powered teams play a slow now style that makes them
uncomfortable in the fourth quarter. So I think it's great.
I think listening to Pete Carroll talk about it, talking
about we want to run the football, we want to
punish people, um and the premise behind it is everyone's
putting these little guys on the field on defense to
rush to pass her. Well, we don't do that. We
run at those little guys. We beat them up. And

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we've seen them twice against the Rams, They've had more
than enough opportunities to knock them off. They slowed them down.
They ran for two hundred plus in both of those games.
They are a team that certain teams definitely do not
want to face. There's another point to that that I
want to get to, and we're gonna do it in
about a hundred and twenty seconds here. I do want
to get the latest from David Gascon. He's Bucky Brooks.
I'm Dan Buyer. This is the Doug Gotliep Show. Because

(24:31):
we've got a good one in Detroit. Dave, what's the
latest and what's happening with the Bears and Lions. It's
a good game so far, and the defense stepped up
for Chicago. Takes the snap here and there he goes
that he checks into the house at the ten, five
into touchdown. After the second week in a row, Eddie

(24:51):
checks into the house and up pick six. Matt, I
don't know what was more impressive that pick six or
the choreography after that touchdown celebration was of it? Yeah,
what I missed it? What I just saw about Bears
running in the end zone. It was like they set
up like a bunch of pins like in bowling, and
and he had what do you do? Bucky had him

(25:11):
go down like they were doing updowns. It was almost
like a little league football coach. He had him kind
of like running place. Goes to the right, go to
the left, like when you do like at the combine
when the coaches tell you to do the shuttle run.
If you're doing the shuttle run, you go right when
he indicates right, and you go left when indicates left.
That's exactly what they did in Unison. These celebrations this

(25:33):
year in the NFL have been fantastic. And uh, by
the way, the Bears are in front right now. It's
three sixteen teams right now, just reached the two minute
warning butt and Detroit has the football instead the fifteen
yard line of the Bears. And they also have all
three time outs remaining. Later on today, ballgame is on Fox,
kickoff times at four thirty eastern. Dallas Cowboys taking on

(25:53):
Colt McCoy and the Washington Redskins again. Kickoff time there's
at four thirty eastern, and then the Nightcaps, says continue
to roll on right now, they got one loss in
the season at nine and one. They take on the
Atlanta Falcons. Kickoff time as at eight twenty eastern. In
that contest, New Orleans twelve point favorites in that ball game. Then,
of course, college football today, I got one game that's

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gonna happen about five minutes from now, Colorado State taking
on air Force college basketball ball game top twenty five
that just won final number twenty five. Wisconsin smashed Oklahoma
Battle four Atlantis seventy eight to fifty eight. Gentlemen, I'll
take you right back to this game, all right, thank
you very much, David. Now a minute twenty one left
and the Lions are knocking on the door. They are

(26:38):
deep embarrassed territory. But down by seven. There was the
celebration something like where a coach would go, I don't know,
left and then he right up down run like that
was that what it was? Yeah? That's what you got,
you know, just moving the arms moving. Yeah. Okay, now
I get it because I caught the last half and
I just saw twenty five guys running and it must

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have been the last whistle. Bucky Brooks is here. I'm
Dan Buyer. We're in for Doug gottlieb here on the
Doug gottlie Show on Fox Sports Radio. Find Bucky on
Twitter at Bucky Brooks. I'm at Dan Buyer on Fox.
We were just talking about the the Seahawks, the Cowboys,
the type of offense that they're running. So much is
made about time of possessions, Bucking. The point that I
wanted to make was this, It's not about time of possessions.

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It's the value of a possession where something as simple
as I don't know, if you have to punt just
not going three and out, or if you've got um
someone like Michael Dixon and not to make the Seahawks talk.
But if you Johnny Hecker punt on Monday Night, of
all the plays that were made in that game, it

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ends up being a punt that may have sealed the
deal for the Rams of of having a value in
the possession, it's not always running the ball down the throat.
It's getting maybe eighteen yards and moving the chains at
least once to give a defensive break or to give
a little bit of different field position. And that's what
I think is unique about a Dallas or a Seattle team,

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because the Saints in Chiefs are a team where heck,
they'd love to have the ball twelve times a game,
you know, and and to to value each time you
have it to them it may not be much because
they'll just get it again and score. But for those
other teams, there's a value in each possession that you have. Yeah,
I think it's a value in each possession. And I
think if you look at it from a defensive standpoint,
every defense has a breaking point. Normally, in NFL games,

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the top teams have possession about seventy to seventy three plays.
Most defenses begin to crack and fall apart around sixties
sixty plays. So offensively, if you can retain possession of
the ball and reduced the amount of defensive snaps that
your team has to face, it increases your odds of

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winning games. And so that's what teams are doing. They're
valuing the ball, not necessarily because of the time, but
it's just because it keeps your defense off the field.
You saw what I just saw. Matthew Stafford has just
thrown an interception in the end zone. I think Matthew
Stafford was on the wrong page as he was looking

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for a receiver who I don't know if broke off
his route, but threw it towards the corner. The receiver
broke towards the first pylon, and now the Lions have
turned it over. They do have I believe three time
outs left, but the Lions have just turned it over
down seven. So Chicago with the first down here would
seal the game. Kyle Fuller with the interception for the Bears. Yeah,

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they were trying to throw a post corner to Michael Robberts.
Michael Robberts in line tied in. He's breaking it to
the front pieline. Matthew Stafford is doing it. She said,
he's stilling it to the back pieline. But what happens
to incidental contact between Kyle Fuller and Roberts leads him
off his track and makes it easy for cal Fuller.
And then the thing that was remarkable was not to
pick the celebration afterwards, where Prince Amukamar taking it back

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to Motown singing a little gig with the backup singers.
I mean, I don't, I don't all must practice time
the Chicago Bears get, but many celebration game is on points. Seriously,
you just said, you just said that this team probably
practiced well once, yet they have Motown specific celebrations today,

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Chicago Bears. That's priorities, honestly, that stuff that you would
see on a two and eight team. But they're about
to go eight and three. If they could just get
a first down here, it'll be second down to nine
the Lions using their first time out. We'll keep you
up to date how that plays out. We're gonna have,
by the way, we're gonna have some awards, just like
John Madden had the Tour Ducan that they would give away.

(30:41):
Bill Sims had the Iron Award for so many years
with CBS. I'm not even sure what what they all do. Now.
I know that NBC, I think has a feast. I
can't remember what Fox and CBS do. I don't know
if there's some Tony Romo award. But we've got We've
got Bucky's Are you ready for this? And we even
have a a sound effect for this one. Okay, we

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have got Bucky's Gobbler of the game. Yeah, Yeah, We've
got Bucky's Gobbler of the game. And I'll give you
Dan's gizzard of this game for the Thanksgiving theme that
we continue here on the Doug Gottlieb Show. It is
the Doug Gotlieb Show. He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Dan Buyer.
Happy Thanksgiving to you. Thanks so much for joining us

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and spending some of your holiday with us. We appreciate it.
Find us on Twitter, get Bucky at Bucky Brooks. I'm
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network at Fox Sports Radio. Coming up next, You've got
the Rams, You've got the Chiefs, You've got the Saints.
But who really is the best team in the National
Football League? That answer next year on Fox Sports Radio. Uh.

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He is Bucky Brooks. I'm Dan Buyer. We are in
for Doug today and we're gonna play a game in
just a little bit. But the game is over between
the Bears and Lions, and Chicago gets a win twenty
three to sixteen. The Bears now improved to eight and
three on the season. The Lions fall to four and seven,

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So the Bears firmly now in the lead in the
NFC North. With that win today against Detroit coming up
later on in the show, Bucky Brooks will award his
Gobbler of the Game. In the Gobbler of the Game
may actually join us here on Fox Sports Radio, but
we've got two awards to give out. The Gobbler of

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the Game is really the player of the game. I
give out the Gizzard of the Game award. And there's
a reason for today's Gizzard of the Game takes the snap,
here's picked up and there he goes that. It checks
into the house at the ten five into touchdown. After
the second week in a row, Eddie checks into the

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house and up pick six Stafford Good rushed by Floyd
into the end zone. It's in accepted back fuller the
right twitter of the end zone. Receiver reverts stop front
of this route, so full of Reddit firm and the
Bears have taken the ball away with one oh seven ago. Oh,
Matthew Stafford the gizzard of the game. Today on the

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Bears radio network, Bucky, we were talking twenty minutes ago
and I gave you Matthew Stafford stats and I said, Stafford,
somebody efficient one two D and thirteen yards, zero touchdowns,
zero interceptions the last two possessions for the Lions. Heck,

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let's just go to the last three possessions. They don't
get a third and short after kick a field goal
to force the tie. The next possession is the highlight
you heard of Eddie Jackson running the touchdown or the
interception back for a touchdown, and then another interception to
end the game and seal the deal as the Bears
were then able to run out the clock. Matthew Stafford
gets the gizzard of the game because of the too
late interceptions for Detroit that sealed their fate. And as

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always it's always the turnovers. Um the one at the
end zone that was kind of tough because he's trying
to anticipate where the wire receivers going to be. He
gets knocked off his route. Uh cal Filler makes a
great play, but the interception that he threw once again
to Robberts in the flat where Eddie Jackson makes a
play and takes it all the way in for the
pig six. Basically, the Detroit Lions win because their offense

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couldn't stop the Bears defense from score points. That is
a perfect summation of Game one of this Thanksgiving Day tripleheader. Hey,
let's play a game. This is game time side on
the Doug Gottlieb Show. David Gascott us here on those
Thanksgiving Happy Thanksgiving, David, Happy Thanksgiving, Dan, Bucky, John, Eric,

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the whole crew. I'm so glad to have you guys here.
We're gonna do it. We're gonna do a Thanksgiving Day
drafts coming up in about ninety minutes. I'm excited for Yeah. Yeah,
everybody's gonna be getting involved. What. We got a lot
of things going on today. So gentlemen, let's dig into
this bag. We got rank um all right, Time to
rank them. So, gentlemen, we'll start off in the National
Football League. We've got three games today, So how about

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we do this, Bucky and Dan, Dan and Bucky, Let's
do this. Rank the three best teams in the NFL
right now, all right, but this is this is your wheelhouse.
Colin Coward even said this week that he thought that
the Chiefs were better than the Rams, and though the
Rams beat him on Monday night, there's a lot of
talk about the Saints. I want you to rank the
top three teams at the end. I want to go
one to three or three to one. Well, let's do

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one to three because there would be some because I
think if if you do three too, we know who's
gonna be number one because they haven't been named yet.
But maybe there's a team that could sneak up that
we don't know. Here you go, Number one would be
the New Orleans Saints. Okay, we keep it fair and balanced.
The way they play the game, they play it the
right way. They can run it, they can throw it.
Uh defense makes plays, but the way they run their

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offense helps their defense. I like them at number one.
At number two, I'm staying in the NFC and I'm
going with your l a Rams. I think they're dynamic there,
explosive um. They can control the game with their offense
where it really minimizes the impact of their defense. I
love the way they're playing nn Defensively, they got the
best player in all the league in Aaron Donald. That

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is why they're worthy of being number two and number three.
The loser from the Monday Night matchup the Kansa City Chiefs.
They're explosive. If I was playing a video game, if
we were playing Mad nightteen, the Kansas City Chiefs will
be the team that I wanted because their players find
a way to consistently put the ball into paint. Their
quarterback is terrific. He can throw it out the stadium. However,

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he's a little loose with the ball. He turns it over.
That is the reason why they ran behind the Saints
and the Rams on this. They play on rookie level,
like when they're on offense. Don't like the Chiefs like that.
It's like with ease. Alright, Just so Saints, Rams and
Chiefs one to three? Easy enough, gentlemen. How about this,
speaking of the NFL, how about we go from the

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best teams in the NFL to the three best run
franchises in the n Okay Patriots have got to be
of this top three, right, I mean the Patriots. That's
who I wrote down as as number one, and I
think the reason the number one they have one voice.
One voice Bill Belichick runs everything from top to bottom.
There is no ambiguity on who's running it, how the

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expectations are for everybody on the team to structure the discipline,
the detail set them apart from everyone else. Um, I'm
gonna guess Seattle in this top three? Would would you
put the Seahawks as a whole in this top three?
You know? Like, here's what's funny, Like I have an
open two hole right now because I'm trying to figure

(37:39):
out who deserves to be there. Because right now I
got number three, I go to number three. First, I
got to L A Rams at number three. And the
reason I have the L A Rams at number three
because their first class organization. They pay big bucks, so
their players are happy and everything is going Brandon Cooks
and domin Con Sue Aaron Donald, Todd Gurley, They're just
a few of the guys that are cashing bick checks. Uh.

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Jerry Golfer is gonna be a happy man in a
couple of years because he's gonna get a big contract.
The L A. Rams are doing everything. They're showing that
you can have star power, have fun and still win
a lot of games with a young coach. What about
the Steelers? Would they be a spot for number two?
Stillers Steelers would be a nice spot because they are
traditional power. They're kind of like one of those blue
bleft franchises. Everything they do is kind of done in

(38:24):
the right way. They draft will uh, they typically take
care of their players. Look leave Bill. Notwithstanding, the Pittsburgh
Steelers have always had a team that is worthy of consideration.
They have one of the best coaches in Mike Tomlins.
They deserve to be up there. I got the number two. Okay,
So Patriots Steelers rams one to three. Al Right, got it? Gentlemen,

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we go from the NFL to the NBA. Ranked the
biggest surprises in the NBA this season now yesterday, I'll
take this. We find out the TV ratings were down
on t NT over the first month of a season,
which was pretty amazing. But then you think about Lebron
and that was one of the reasons. Is Lebron's now
on the West coast, so the ratings are going to

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be as high, but still to have as many storylines
as we've had in the first month of the season
and to have TV ratings down. That's surprising how things
have unraveled for the Warriors in this first month. I
actually think would be number two. And in connection with that,
because the Warriors aren't on top of the West, it's
actually the team that is on top of the West
that to me is the biggest surprise. That the Memphis

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Grizzlies right now would be the top seed in the
Western Conference when that organization was pretty much left for
dead by Nobody was saying that Memphis was gonna sneak
into the playoffs and grab the eight spot. Let alone
be the best team in the West. I think the
Memphis Grizzlies are the biggest surprise in the NBA. Gentleman
would conclude this with a little tricky day festivity. Three

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best parts of Thanksgiving? What do you got? Football? Football,
football foods. Oh boy, here we go. I I listen,
Turkey has got to be number one. It has to be.
I guess I could forego the nap with football too,
and I'd put nap three. But I think turkey's the obvious.
I mean, food is definitely there. I don't you know,

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I kind of will fast forward past the turkey and
the stuffing and all that. I want to get right
to the desserts, so PiZZ cober, pumpkin pie, swee potato pie,
whatever we're finishing with. I want to start the game
in overtime and now worry about the first four quarters.
This is game time. On the Doug Got Leap Show,

(40:35):
Thank you? Did they have a gascon? John Robinson? Eric
Roberts as well, he's Bucky Brooks. I'm Dan buyer in
for Doug today. So who is the gobbler of the
game between the Bears and Lions? That answer coming up next.
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Dot
Leap Show weekdays at noon Eastern three pm Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. I

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I admitted I picked the Lions today. I didn't put
any money on the Lions, but I picked the Lions,
and I just I don't like to go against the
Lions on Thanksgiving Day. I know they had an awful
recent history Bucky of losing, but today I felt good
getting three and a half points at home and Matthew

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Stafford back at it again, throwing two late interceptions, including
one that broke his sixteen all tie that was returned
by Eddie Jackson for a pick six. One game in
the books, two to go with the Bears winners today
over the Detroit Lions. Yeah, I mean pretty solid game.
It was slow at first. I I guess probably was
slow because we're coming off seeing the Monday night game.

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That's the last kind of memory that we have of
NFL football, And so when you start watching this, when
it starts a little slow, not as much high flying,
uh explosive plays. But it settled in. It turned out
to be a pretty good game. If you just you
gotta go bad, you have to be excited. Chase Daniel
played pretty well filling in for Mitchell Drobiskie. The defense
continues to play lights out, and you get a win

(41:59):
with a quick turn around time. Man, if you two
Bears hitting down the stretch, feel good about where you're sitting. Yeah,
you kind of get that bye week. Now you get
a couple of more hours and a short trip back
to Chicago from Detroit. Things are looking up in the
Windy City. We look ahead to Redskins Cowboys, which will
kick off at the bottom of the hour, and then
later on tonight eight twenty Eastern time at Falcons and Saints.

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Now Drew Brees has had a magnificent season, and that
may be an understatement, Bucky. I would, I would. I
would like to guess that if a vote was taken
today by the Associated Press Writers on an NFL m
v P, then no matter how good Patrick Mahomes has
banned or what Jared Goff has done, I think Drew

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Brees would be the NFL's Most Valuable Player. Which you
agree with that, Oh, he's going to win it. I
think there's a cinament you can already see a kind
of lining up because he's never won an m v
P award that it is time to give him uh
an award not only for this year, but for all
the things that he's done within the league. The number
of five thousand of yr seasons. UH, the way he
has helped this franchise come back and help that city

(43:06):
come back after Katrina. UH, the connection that he has
with Johan Payton and the magical things that they've been
able to do. UH. He's going to set a new
completion percentage record this year. If he continues to perform
at the level that he's performing, I think this will
be an m VP award. It really serves as a
lifetime Achievement Award for what he's been able to compress
in the league, and the twenty to one touchdown the

(43:29):
interception ratio than it is right now is remarkable. I
mean Aaron Rodgers also one who likes to protect about
nineteen to one, but doesn't have nearly the rating that
Drew Brees does, and Breeze has six more touchdowns. The
NFL's m v P, as I mentioned, is voted on
by the Associated Press. There's a little hint that you
can you can take and it's it's kind of a

(43:49):
precursor to the m v P Award. But just put
this in your back pocket and went a couple of
months from now, we're talking about this the NFL All
Pro Team for the Associated Press. The starting quarterback of
that All Pro team has been the m v P
the last five years and the only reason and as
it wasn't six, was because Adrian Peterson ended up winning

(44:10):
the m v P Award in But there's a there's
a tread. If you're the All Pro first team quarterback,
you're likely going to be the most Valuable Player. So
I think you could see that with Drew Brees. Now
I mentioned guys like Patrick Mahomes and Jared Goff And
I'm just throwing this out there because I mentioned the
name Peyton Manning. Remember when Peyton Manning missed the season
with the Colts, they went three and thirteen, and we said, wow,

(44:32):
Peyton Manning should win the m v P. Considering we
now know how valuable he is to them, how valuable
is Andrew Luck? And where should Andrew Luck be in
this conversation, because Bucky, I believe that Andrew Luck should
be in the top five, maybe in the even in
the top three or two considering how this Colts team

(44:53):
has now taken it to I know they're they're they're
not on top of the division, but it is a
different team with Andrew Luck who's putting significant numbers in
his return. Yeah, I mean he deserves a lot of
credit for what he's being able to do. Um. I
was doubtful that he would ever be able to be
the kind of player that he was early in his career,
but he has come back and played at a high level.
And the thing about it is he's gotten better and

(45:14):
better each week. Uh. The way he has settled in
and this Frank rch system is impressive. Frank Wright has
done a great job of putting in some quick rhythm
throws to get the ball out quick and when they
do take their shots down to field, max protection two
and three man routes designed to make sure that he's very,
very comfortable in the pocket while having enough time to

(45:34):
throw it down the field. Andrew Luck has been uh
spectacular because they don't have many A level players on
the offense side of the ball. See, while Hilton is
a guy that we could put up there, maybe a
couple of guys on the offensive line to rookies, but
outside of that, Eric Ibron is playing like an A
level player. Yeah, Hebron looked like he was the first

(45:55):
round pick that he was. Yeah, and so so now
you're looking at this cold team and you're like, man,
these guys are solid. They imagine when they get more
pieces to add to the the the arsenal, man, they're
gonna be a tough team to deal with. And other
defense is coming around as well. But we get so,
I don't know, blind to the fact when we look
at certain numbers and you see a Chiefs Rams game
where you're thinking, okay, golf in mahomes are are just

(46:18):
two and three and in maybe that packing order. And
Philip Rivers was in the conversation as well, and no,
last week's game against the Broncos didn't help in that case.
But Andrew Luxe the name that has been here and
there some have mentioned, and I think that there's a
total legitimate reason when you're trying to talk about who
is the most valuable to see where and in that team.

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And I'm starting to look at the future because there
is going to be a changing of the guard in
the NFC and or a f C. And it's not
only because of Tom Brady at some point retiring, but
Ben Roethlisberger has in that retirement for years until Mason
Rudolph was drafted and then he wants to keep playing
for five years, the point being at some point he's
gonna have to move on, So you're gonna have an

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entirely different field in the a f C. And I
just think Chiefs Colts is something that we maybe should
start to get accustomed to. And even Philip Rivers being
a bit long in the tooth, you don't know along
Philip Rivers is gonna be around, But Chiefs Colts is
something that I could see over the next five or
ten years that we are continually pointing to as being
the rivalry in the a f C. Yeah, I think that.

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And with through a one war team in there, I
think you have to throw to Houston Texas in there
because of Deshaun Watson factor. Deshaun Watson being in the
same division with Andrew Luck uh Pat Mahomes also being
in the a f C. I think they're gonna be
fascinating games. And for so long we've talked about quarterbacks
and we're worried about who are going to be the
next generational quarterbacks. I think the league is in very

(47:42):
very good hands with the number of young quarterbacks that
are showing they can prosper in the league at this time.
What about defensively for the Texans. I mean, you we
obviously know about Clowning and we know about what but
Clowne is gonna get a new deal at some point.
And J. J. Wats been playing great this year, which
is a surprise to me. I actually, I know I
probably should have, but considering the severity of the injuries

(48:02):
that he has, just figured that there would be on
somewhat of a he wouldn't be able to match. I
didn't think he would be a guy that'll be sitting
here a little beyond the midway point with ten sacks. No,
no one could have said that they thought that after
back surgery, after knee stuff, that he would come back
and be the three time defensive player of the year
that we saw and so dominate. No one saw that.
So that's a bonus. M So Jadeveon Clowney, j j

(48:25):
Y Whitney market merciless um. They're talented up front, they're
doing a great job of not letting the ball flower
to here is keeping everything in front, and then offensively,
they've been able to do it with a patwork offensive
line in an inconsistent running game. Some of that is
Deshaun Wasson. A lot of that is DeAndre Hopkins, though
he's Bucky Brooks. I'm Dan Buyer. This is the Doug
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(49:09):
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NBA tried to do Lebron James is solid or not,
but he had a homecoming. The day before Thanksgiving is

(49:53):
last night. The Lakers took on the Cleveland Cavaliers in
a game that was close throughout. I mean the Cavaliers
coming with two wins, but it went very close, very compared,
went all the way down to the end. I was
shocked by that, but it just kind of told me that, look,
they're pros, they have pride. Everyone was dumping on them.
It was a nasty televised game. They knew that everyone

(50:14):
was watching and they were able to muster up a
very very good performance. And at the end of the game,
Lebron's line was thirty two points, fourteen rebounds, and seven assists.
And I didn't think he would go fifty five on
the cabin. It just didn't that that. It doesn't like
Lebron can turn it on when he wants to, and
we saw it when he was in Miami earlier this week.
But last night wasn't the night for that, and because

(50:36):
the reason it wasn't the night for that was because
the night was about Lebron and his return to Cleveland.
But it was completely different than the one that we
had eight years ago, as last night, Lebron was actually
celebrated in his return forward from St. Fencin St. Mary
High School. Welcome home, three Lebrawn sees overwhelmingly positive. I

(51:06):
told you, Michael, you were right. I did not hear
one boom that was out the Lakers radio network last night. This,
by the way, compared to Lebron's return eight years ago
when he was a member of the Miami Heats for
seven seasons for six from st visits at Berry High
School of her sixth Lebron jamil Hey. We joked yesterday

(51:28):
how they should have mispronounced his name, but there was
none of that last night as Lebron returned home from Cleveland,
and in fact, there was even a video tribute they
did at the first time out of the game that
was a thank you Lebron and and it's bigger than
basketball sort of thing. It was all love last night
in Cleveland. Yeah, it was unbelievable um the amount of

(51:49):
gratitude that Cleveland fans showed Lebron James watching the video tribute.
They showed Lebron kind of growing up with Cleveland, the
shots that he made, the things that he did to
him to win the championship. But then they went off
the court and they talked about his academy that he
has with the kids and how involved he has been
in the community and the things that he has been
able to do to really uplift and inspire so many

(52:12):
kids in the community. It was really really cool to see.
Lebron was obviously touched by the jester Um look he
put up big numbers. It was a very solid game.
It wasn't his best game, but I thought the way
that the Cleveland Cavaliers fans handed it was the right
way to handle something when your star, uh, the guy
who kind of helped you when the first championship in

(52:33):
a long time comes back in return. There was zero animosity.
Lebron actually gave uh fish pounds to the scores table,
guys that he had seen for years prior to the game.
After the game, so many fans wanting to see Lebron
leave the court through his wrist bands in the crowd.
I also saw a bunch of signs Bucky that weren't

(52:54):
Not only were they not negative, they just reference thank
you for the title in ten. There were more than
a couple that we saw last night. It was an
overwhelmingly warm welcome for Lebron James back to Cleveland. And
this is this is what I think this says, and
I felt this way when Lebron signed with the Lakers
in the off season, leaving the Cavaliers. I honestly don't

(53:16):
think Lebron has done playing in Cleveland. And when we
see why he went to the Lakers, many people fell
to us because of the movie business or the Hollywood
and in all the connections you can have in l A.
I also think that there was a bit of of
Lebron wanting to have some of that Laker mystique and
and being the man. But it wasn't about being a
winning championships, at least this year. It wasn't because the

(53:40):
team isn't built like that. What I do think is
Lebron is gonna get to a point in his career
whether he wins the title, what the Lakers or not,
and he's gonna want a farewell to her. He's gonna
want that last hurrah around the NBA where everybody will
the visiting teams will bring out gifts and they will
honor him in some sort away in the different stops.

(54:01):
And I think the only place he can do that
is Cleveland. And I think that when Lebron's contract is
done with the Lakers after four years, he plays one
more year with the Cavaliers some abo crazy man, that's
a lot of playing like whatever year this is, he's
year sixteen, He's gonna play to what years you wonna
have to go full you know, full war. You would
just you could just play eight two, Like Cleveland wouldn't

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welcome him back. They obviously would. You know, I don't
know he and that owner that that relationship is so
weird or whatever. I understand what you're saying, though, To
bring him back home, Uh, to let him go out
and kind of go on the tour, it would be
something for those fans. I just wonder though, because this
is such a great thing to being a Laker. And
I'm not a Laker fan, but you just talk about
a story franchise. All the guys who have kind of

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come through here, there are two franchises that every star
player has kind of finished up a wound up through
Boston Celtics on the East, the l a Lakers on
the West. You know, I think it's kind of a
storybook ending to his career if you can win a
title here and then just kind of do you think
he would read you think that Lebron, Well, let me

(55:06):
ask you this, if Lebron want a title, say in
three years with the Lakers, do you think he would
call it quits after that season or do you think
it would just be I'll just play out my string
with the Lakers and then call it quits. Uh, maybe
he'll play out the string and just kind of see
where he goes um. But I think Man one tide
with the Lakers at it, that kind of sements his

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legacy as I mean, arguably the greatest player to ever play.
I think that's the one thing if he's chasing twenty three,
if he's chasing Michael Georgia, that would be the one
thing that could separated to win three championships with three
different franchises. Here's the tough thing with with being a Laker,
And we even saw it with all the Kobe fans

(55:48):
not being warmed to Lebron. Shouldn't it not being warm
to Lebron? But they just had a loyalty to Kobe
and they felt that if they liked Lebron, then they
wouldn't be as loyal to Kobe. Would now that this
season is underway, it seems kind of ridiculous. But the Lakers,
as we saw, I think a stat that was maybe
flashed on the screen last night was that this is

(56:10):
the first time the Lakers were like three games above
five hundred and five years or going on six years,
So that that's how that's how slim the pickings have
been in the Laker fans as a whole are just
glad to be relevant again and have a superstar that
is relevant in the NBA and can lead them to victory.
So there's there's that good grace for him. But in

(56:31):
the big picture, Lebron is never gonna be Kobe, He's
never gonna be Magic. He's just going to be Lebron.
And that's why I just see at the end, I
see a guy who if it's his final year, and
I know we're talking four or five years down the
line here, I just think, and I saw it last
night with the tribute, I honestly thought he was going

(56:52):
to cry, or that he had some tears that could
have been welling up. For the sort of response that
he got with the video. I just think that Lebron
is someone who is receptive to that. And one mind
being honored is you went from arena to arena, and
one mind that one last swan song in his hometown
where he still is, and I used the phrase the King,

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and I just that's the type of ending I see
with Lebron James in Cleveland, and last night did nothing
to change my mind that anything would be different. They
welcomed him with open arms, they beat their team, and
everything was all good after the game. Yeah, I mean
I thought it was great. I thought it was great
for him to see I you know, I still think
that relationship between he and Dan Gilbert would have to

(57:38):
be repaired. But look, everybody loves kind of going back home.
Everybody likes being revered um in those situations. So it
could be a very very cool situation for him to
go back and kind of have that Swan song uh tour.
But we'll see. That's that's the idea that I never
have thought about the we touched on it when we

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did rank him. Of the Memphis Grizzlies being the best
team in the in the Western Conference, the Lakers right
now would be the seventh seed in the West. So
for as great as things are going with the Lakers,
that'd be in the playoffs, you'd still be a seventh seed.
It's the team that's the five seed right now that
as people scratching their heads, and that's the Golden State
Warriors run off the court last night by Oklahoma City.

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Do you think it's more than Steph Curry being out
or Draymond and Durant or Draymond Green being out do
you think there's more with Golden State that's going on
than maybe these three separate incidents or is there one
point that you point to on why this team right
now has lost their last four. I think the biggest
thing is there's a little championship fatigue. Uh. This is

(58:43):
a team that is competing in four four straight NBA
Titles series. They've won three out of four. Um, that's hard.
When you add up all the extra playoff games that
day played, it almost totals out to another season. And
then when you you think of out the discord that
is going on between Katie and Raymond, uh, Steph Curry

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being out. There are a lot of things going on
and this team isn't as deep as the first versions
of the Warriors. Teams that really kind of took the
lead by storm when they talked about strength and numbers
is because they could go ten leven deep and beat
you and wear you down. This team is not as
deep as We're seeing some of that fatigue mentally and
physically catch up, and to be honest, they just kind

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of want to fast forward to the postseason. I think
we won't see the best of the Warriors until it
probably with like twenty games left in the season where
they begin to kind of hone in on who they are,
what they need to do to get ready to be
able to defend a championship. That's the difficult point for me.
It's because we we've seen we were just talking about
Lebron and the Calves. We've seen the Calves put it
on cruise control for half a season, if not more,

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and then when the playoffs come around, they were able
to turn it on. Last year, Steve Kerr said his
team got fatigued during the season. Hecky had Steph Curry
running some of the coaching huddles when Curry wasn't playing,
to try to just mix things up, mix things up
so they aren't stale. I don't know if things are
definitely not stale in Oakland right now. That that is

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for sure. He doesn't have to be doing any of
those tricks. But I just wonder if the accumulation of
everything that you talked about, with the amount of games,
with the being the champions that they are three out
of the last four years, and now you kind of
are saying, all right, well, maybe maybe what's in it
for me? And when I look at at Golden State.
The thing that we forget and that needs to be

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brought up was this team was a game away from
not making it to the NBA Finals and winning that
third championship in four years. I mean, if Chris Paul
doesn't get hurt for the Houston Rockets and Houston's having
their own issues this year. Harden at his best game
of the season last night. But the point is is
they weren't as head and shoulders above everyone else as

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we may want to try to make it seem last year,
because they were so close. And you see in Oklahoma
City thunder team last night that not only has the
depth that you talked about, but they also have the
size in the front court. And Doug has said even
on this show here that he thought Oklahoma City was
the second best team in the West looking at Golden State.
Even if everything is going on running on all cylinders,

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when everybody comes back and everybody's having a good time,
it's almost like Oklahoma City feels like there may be
the makeup of the Warriors. And that's the thing. If
I'm a Warriors fan, I'm a little scared about because
they've got sized, they've got depth, and Shroder was great
last night. Russell Westbrook didn't have to be great because
the backup was that if I'm a Golden State Warriors
fan hasn't be worried, you should be worried about Oklahoma City.

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The Thunder not only have the players that you talk about,
Paul George, Russell Westbrook, Um Adams, some of the other
players that are contributing, they also have their leader is
not afraid. They're not afraid of the Golden State Warriors.
They will go at them. And if they see the
Warriors or the Rockets or the Grizzlies or any of
those teams, I think they'll go nosed in knows with him.

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So yeah, the Oklahoma City Thunder are absolutely a legitimate
threat to win in the West. He's Bucky Brooks. I'm
Dan Buyer. We are close to kickoff on Fox between
the Redskins and Cowboys. We break down the second game
of our triple header on this Thanksgiving Day. We are
in for Doug Gottlieb here at the Fox Sports Radio studios.

(01:02:21):
Look ahead the Redskins Cowboys coming up next, But first
let's take a look back at Bears and Lions with
a good friend David Gascot Hello, David, what's up, guys?
What's up? Yeah? Ballg in to win final earlier today,
Chicago and Detroit going back and forth, takes the snap,
here's the throwing picked up and there he goes that.
He checks into the house at the ten five into touchdown.

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After the second week in a row, Eddie checks into
the house and up pick six Bears Radio Network. And
then Detroit got the ball back and Matthew Stafford the
gift that keeps on giving through another pick in the
end zone as Detroit was driving at the thirteen yard
and of Chicago. So the Bears win at twenty three
to sixteen. Chase Daniel in relief of Mitchell Trabiscuite was

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pretty efficient twenty seven thirty yards through the air and
to touchdown passes. In about five minutes from now, we
will get the Cowboys and Redskins from Jerry's World, followed
by the Falcons and Saints. Kickoff time in New Orleans
is at eight twenty eastern New Wall In college football,
one game in progress, Air Force leading Colorado State fourteen.

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Nothing that's in the second quarter. Later on tonight seven
thirty eastern, you'll get number eight team Mississippi State doing
battle with an sec full and ole miss College basketball
Top twenty five teams in the nation. Wisconsin drubbed Oklahoma
seventy eight to fifty eight. Guys. Back to you, thank
you very much, Dave, Dave, before you, before you run?
Is there anything that yeah, before you, before you after

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the turkey? Yeah, the the Thanksgiving Day holiday. Is there
anything that that that conjures up nostalgia for you? As
Bucky and I we're talking about earliers, There are there
are a point of the day or something that you
see that just automatically reminds you of Thanksgiving. I think
it's the weather. Interesting the weather, and then obviously the

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Thursday morning hangovers. Oh there you go, because I remember
I've gotten better at this. But you know, like back
in the day when you can run a gun, your
early twenties, you're always out with your friends on on
Thanksgiving Eve because you all come back from college. So
a lot of my friends would get together in the
South Bay like Hermosa Beach, Manhattan Beach, or Rodondo Beach,
and then you're talking having a good time, and then

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Thursday morning, with a hangover, you're out the part playing football. Uh,
you're doing a little turkey bowl action, so that kind
of led from one thing to another and then bang,
you're ready to eat and then pass out for for
a couple of hours. So it's usually that process, Dave,
is that Jack Daniels cologne that you're sweating out? What
is that? That's that? That's got quite in the romans? Alright?

(01:04:56):
The hangover? That is the Thanksgiving tradition for one, David guest,
good stuff. We're gonna have our Thanksgiving Day draft coming
up next hour. You are not going to want to
miss it. John Ramos will be here, Eric Roberts will
be here, Bucky myself, David, We're all going to take parts.
It is a not a one round, eight two round
snake drafts Okay, so if you've got the first pick,

(01:05:18):
you're gonna have to wait to the end to get
your second pick. But whoever is sitting at the turn
I really could make hay on this Thanksgiving Day Redskins
about to kick off with the Dallas Cowboys. I guess
I mentioned for game two of this tripleheader. Welcome back
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The only hard part figuring out which way is easier.
Do we see Ze Elliott in the Salvation Army kettle
in the end zone today? Bucky Brooks, because he's already
done that celebration before. I don't think he jumps in
the kettle. I think he has something different in mind.
But I do believe he gets in the end zone
a couple of times. That's part of the equation. Like
if you thought is gonna be in the kettle, then

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you definitely think he's gonna be in the end zone.
But we could have a little different celebration of him,
some different Yeah. Well, obviously the Chicago Bears had very
little time to prepare for the Lions, but they prepared.
But they made the point the hotel to walk through.
They were able to get into eight guys, let's come
over here. If we score, this is what we're gonna do.
And I think the thing that has missed on the
Motown celebration, kimda Fuller was the one that picked it off.

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He tossed the mike or the ball to Prinsion Mukamara,
who was the lead singer. Okay, there's a lot of
nuancing choreography that was done there. Then I was like, oh,
this is not this is not something that was a
one time thing. The Calisthenics thing that they did earlier
just pales in comparison to the motown. But this is
my question, how confident are you if you're the Chicago

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Bears to think that with six minutes left in the
game and you run back and pick six, that you
don't need to do your motown celebration because you're gonna
have another one. That one. Yeah, like they saved it
for the end of the game. Like I thought that
would have been the first celebration that you would have done.
It wasn't like the first one happened in the first half,
and you're like, there's a lot of game to still
do this. They're only six minutes left when they got

(01:07:08):
the first pick six, and then the second interception they
were able to cash it in. That's one. And we
were talking, Bucky and I were talking about Survivor during
the break. You never want to have an immunity idol
in your pocket and get voted off. You would not
have wanted to keep that celebration in your pocket. If
you were the Chicago Bears that leave Detroit without pulling
it out. No, no no, you want to make sure you
empty empty, empty it out, make sure you have all

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your options exhausted. And because that was such a Detroit
specific celebration, it is kind of weird that they saved
it that. That's a lot of confidence that they knew that.
I don't worry about it. Matthew Stafford won't just throw
us one. He'll throw us another one and we'll we'll, we'll,
we'll do Motown on his second. It's gonna come back again.
Don't worry. We know how this story ends. We know
how this song ends with the Detroit lines, and unfortunately

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for them, it's been the same old song for the
past few weeks. The Dallas Cowboys the past few weeks
have been a really good football team, trying to go
for the third straight win. Is they're about to kick
it off with the Washington Redskins. I've just touched on
Zeke a little bit earlier. You said he he think
he gets in the end zone. How does Dallas's defense
do against the Washington team that's dinged up. You're gonna

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have to go up against Colt McCoy. You all are
also gonna have to face one Adrian Peterson today. How
does Dallas slow down to Washington squad now with Colte
McCoy under center, Well, Washington has not been very, very
explosive in the passing game, especially pushing the ball down
the field. I think this is a game where you
load up on Adrian Peterson. You have a young, a
new quarterback in Cote McCoy that is taking over um.

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Even though he's had some success in the league, it
has been a long time since he started a game.
You want to see if he has the magic touch.
Does he have the pixie dust sprinkled on him where
he can come in and jump in and get some wins.
I don't know. I think you gotta make Cote McCoy
win this game. He has to beat you throwing the
ball through the air. Do they have enough guys? I mean,

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you know they Maurice Harris, you know, made an appearance
a couple of weeks. Josh Koson has been I mean
these aren't household I mean, Dots was the first round pick,
but you don't have Paul Richards and he's gone. Championship
crowd has been dinged up. Chris Thompson has been hurt,
just not a lot there offensively for Washington on paper,
doesn't appear that they have everything, uh that they need
to be successful. And so because of that, I want

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to make sure that you don't give them any life
by letting Adrian Peterson get loose. You want to make
someone that is off the back pages of the depth
chart have to make plays to win, because if they
do that, then you feel good that look I planned
with solid if we need to go and deal with
somebody else, we can take care of him. But we're
not going to let their stars beat us. That has

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to be the mindset coming into this one. I just demnition.
First of all, I love the look of the Washington
Cowboys game. I I love the burn uniforms, I love
all of that. Like obviously, as a kid, I kind
of believe this should be the game that the Cowboys
always playing on Thanksgiving. This is a rivalry game, like
I want to see them play the red Skins. Having

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grown up in North Carolina at a time when there
was in the team, you either pool for the red
Skins or the Falcons, and most of my relatives all
grew up being red Skins fans, they all love to
like hating on the Cowboys and the like, and so
for me this brings back childhood memories. You're throwing things
given these are the games that we should see on

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these holiday celebrations. I also like that the Cowboys aren't
wearing a special uniform today and there's no Thanksgiving special
like the the Lions just take off the logo to
try to do their throwbacks. I wonder if it's because
they don't want people to know that the Lions. That
could be another reason as well, where they don't wear
the logos on their helmet. I know they're trying to
do a throwback to the day, but I like the normal.
And if you ever noticed this, Bucky, I've brought this

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up before, but the Dallas Cowboys have three different shades
of blue on their uniform. Yeah, there's a there's a
there's a navy blue on the star, but the the
shoulder piping is a royal blue and then their pants
are a silverish light blue. So there's but yet it
works like there's there's work because they're Americans. I mean,

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they can do whatever they want. You know, Okay, you
played in the NFL. My wife asked me this question
the other day. She goes, if there was a team
that if you were to play in the NFL that
wasn't the Seahawks, what team would it be? And I said, Okay,
I think I know this answer, and she wrote down
a team that she thought I was gonna say. Being

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from Wisconsin, she thought it was the Packers, And I said,
I would probably want to be a Dallas Cowboy because
there is something to it. As much as you want
to hate on them, there was something about wearing that
star and wearing that uniform and just saying you're a
Dallas Cowboy. And no matter how great the Packers are
or how great the Steelers are or how great the

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Patriots have been as of late, it is something different
about saying you're a Dallas Cowboy. There's something different about
being a Dallas Cowboy. Growing up, there were only two
teams that I would like, really like you talk about
as a kid, you would have dreamed of playing for
Dallas would have been one because man, every game that
I remember being on TV, the Dallas Cowboys appeared that
they were always on the second team for me. The

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l A Slash Oakland Raiders. There was always something about
the Raiders, bad boys, the uniform, the black, the silver,
the black, uh Mr Davis and just a band of
Mavericks kind of being some some some outlaws. Yeah, that
kind of appealed to me. But either way, the Dallas
Cowboys debt uniform America's team everybody knowing. Even though they

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haven't won in twenty years, they still have this following
where these people act like the Dallas Cowboys. Literally, if
you didn't know any better, if you if you know
Cowboys fans, you would think that the Cowboys fans, the
Cowboys are like the New England Patriots. Yeah, truly would.
And even the the other amazing thing about the Cowboys fandom,
and this may be a knock. You hear games at

(01:12:53):
a T and T stadium and you hear so many
other fans, but name there isn't a person I know
that doesn't know somebody who isn't a Cowboys fan, like
like like like there is like growing as this mentioned.
I grew up in Wisconsin, big Packer country. There were
a lot of Bears fans, some Vikings fans, but there
were also then Cowboys fans sprinkled around and that's that's

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what's so unique about the brand. And again it's no
knock to the Steelers or Packer fans or Patriot fans,
but there's just something different about being a Dallas count
It's a different brand. I mean, it is a brand.
I mean, I think that's the best way to describe it.
I think that's why the owner understands the product that
he has. Um. He's very, very aggressive. He can marches
to the beat of his own drum. But when you

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look at the Cowboys, there's something about seeing this star.
There's something that kind of captivates you. When you watched
him on TV. He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Dan Buyer. Buck
Bucky's Gobbler of the Game is going to come up
in six minutes. That's what we're gonna do. We're gonna
unveil the Gobbler of the Game. Hopefully they can join us.
If not, we're just gonna give away the award anyway

(01:13:57):
and we'll mail it to him like they do at
the award shows. As simple as that, He's Bucky Brooks,
I'm Dan Buyer. This say is the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio coming up next. It was a
classic on Monday Night, But should you expect more or
less of it? That answer coming up here on Fox
Sports Radio. We've got a touchdown in Arlington. He's Bucky Brooks,

(01:14:18):
I'm Dan Buyer, and we've got another celebration. The Dallas
Cowboys have taken a lead on the Washington Redskins seven
to nothing just five minutes into their Thanksgiving Day game
on Fox Ezekiel Elliott with the sixteen yard touchdown run.
His celebration was something to talk about, We're gonna do
that after we do this where we like are I

(01:14:45):
know it was coming Bucky. I knew it was some
This is at the time of the show where dougles
to take something that was interesting on Fox Sports One
or on Fox Sports Radio that was intriguing and maybe
take that conversation and bring it over here. And that's
what happened on the Odd Couple, Rob Parker and kelvin Washington.
It was in for Chris Bruce Starred looked back at
that Monday night game between the Rams and Chiefs and

(01:15:06):
wanted to look at the long term effects of that
Monday Night classic. Sean McVeigh is the you know, the
new great offensive mine and as proven it not like, oh,
he's coming, It's kind like I feel like Kyle shanahannery,
it's coming if he gets this, if he gets that, No,
McVeigh walks right in and has shown us that well
no doubt, and then you're right, McVeigh comes in and

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changes everything. So now you got that couple with Andy Reid,
who again has been an offensive mine and and has
gotten productive. He made Kevin Cobb, me made all of us.
Go Kevin Connor, that's starting quarterback for me. Many I'm
gonna get him in my fantasy league. So can we
give some creatives and credit to that? That was just
too insane, like almost a passing of them. If that's

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what it is, then I'm fine with that. All we
just had, I mean both team for the first time
in the history of the NFL, which will be a
hundred years old next year. Right, that was the first
time two teams scored over fifty points in the game,
fifty or more, which is incredible. If there was an
aberration in one of those nights and everything worked out
and some defensive guys slipped down and guys were wide open, Okay,

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I just don't want them to alter the rules so
much to where you can't play defense. Now there's a
couple of conversations where this can go. It's it's does
the NFL need to do something to at least help
the defense out? But is this was this in abiration?
Is this just a one off that you that you
got on Monday night where everybody where a game actually
lived up to the hype that everybody could see because

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it was the only game in town. Or is this
going to be maybe more of a norm that we
have seen in the past. Well, all teams aren't created equal,
so I think it's more of a one off. We
won't see these kind of games consistently because most teams
don't have a the personnel and firepower B. They don't
have the creative play caller play designer to make these
kind of games happen. But I do believe we can

(01:16:51):
see some of these high powered showcase games between the
elite teams when they face one another because it is
very very difficult and challenging to stop some of these offenses.
And the thing about the Chiefs and the Rams, they
go about doing their business differently. The Rams are a
team that pretty much lines up with the same personnel
on the field the same formation. They just run a
series of plays that complement one another. They can't see.

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The Chiefs try to blow your mind with pre snap
shifts and motions, exotic routes, and they I mean, they
just throw it over your head. I think this is
a game though, that will change the landscape of what
owners and gms are looking for in their head coaches.
We always, we already knew there was gonna be a
rush on offensive guys that are hired to try and
get these quarterbacks going. But now owners want to hire

(01:17:37):
offensive guys who can bring the sizzle that can make
their offenses sexy enough that not only you feel the
seats in the stadium, but everyone is buzzing about your
team because there's so much offensive creativity on display each
and every week. And they should they should proceed with
caution because if you really want to look at what

(01:17:58):
is in the future for your team. Sure, we look
at the Rams and Chiefs and see the greatness that
is those teams, but you have to look within those teams.
As Kelvin and Robert talking about, you had Andy Reid,
you had Sean McVeigh, who's got Wade Phillips helping him
run his defense. There's veteran leadership. I mean, there's there's

(01:18:19):
pieces in there. If you really want to look into
the future and find out if you're a team, look
at what's happening with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I mean,
that offense is great, that team is an absolute mess.
So so be careful when you're saying like we want
all of this, because not everything is as great as that.
And and and when I see these games and you

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see the Saints put forty eight up on the Eagles
or whatever it was, and they put fifty up on
Cincinnati and they were in his shoot out with the
Rams scoring. I also think that there's a there's a
gap in the NFL where maybe the teams in the past,
bad teams in the past, wouldn't have allowed some of
these games to get that way. And I think now
in the NFL there's just a wider gap maybe between

(01:19:02):
what is the elite and what are the also rans,
which makes these sort of games the non competitive games
speed blots. And I'm and I'm talking more about the
Saints going to Cincinnati, who we thought Sincinnati was at
least an okay team and just could completely run out
of the gym and run out of the stadium. And
I think that that's also a factor of why we
see all these points is maybe the gaps spend a
little widened too between the elites, and the gap has

(01:19:24):
been wider um. I think coaching matters. I think the
gap between the coaching elites and the others, I think
that is where it's significant. And I think part of
the reason we're seeing these teams Sean McVeigh, we're looking
at Kansas City Chiefs with Andy Reid, We're looking at
the Saints with Sean Payton. They're better coaches and some
of the guys that we're facing, and they're able to

(01:19:46):
exploit them with all of the stuff that they're doing offensively,
be at the motions to shifts, the plays, the design everything.
They are taking advantage of some of the inferior coaching
that has taken place in the league, particularly on the
defense side of the ball. The thing that is disappointing,
defenses haven't caught up to what the offensive innovation is

(01:20:09):
and the two they do that we're gonna see some
of these lopsided scores. I've got a suggestion to for
the NFL Bucky coming up in just a little bit.
Well actually later on in the show, I'll tell you
what it is and you may think I'm crazy, but
we'll do it. Then. Well, you know what we have
to do, because we've got less than a minute, We've
got to unveil Bucky's Gobbler of the game from game one,

(01:20:33):
your player of the game between the Bears and Lions.
We give out a Thanksgiving Day award and it is there.
He goes that. It checks into the house at the
ten five into touchdown, half of the second week in
a row, and he checks into the house and a
pick six there it is. I mean, I mean that that,

(01:20:59):
that is it. And the thing about it I would
have given Eddie Jackson the award maybe, but the thing
that did it for me where I was like, that's
my gobbler of the day, the organized orchestrated celebration that
pushed him over top. That's why he's my gobbler today.
And the Bears are eight and three. Our Thanksgiving Day

(01:21:20):
draft is next. Be sure to catch live editions of
The Doug dot Leap Show week days at noon eastern
three pm Pacific. Just what he thought that Chicago Bears
had it locked up for best celebration on Thanksgiving Day.
Maybe Ezekiel Elliott's topped him. He has Bucky Brooks, I'm
Dan Buyer and welcome back to the Fox Sports Radio studios,
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(01:21:41):
fifteen cent to more like our insurance. There's a guy
coo dot com for a free rate. Quote. My prediction
on the Lions covering today they were three and a
half point dogs, was wrong. Bucky Brooks's prediction on Ezekiel
Elliott and the Salvation Army Kettle was spot on. I
asked Bucky last hour, how about thirty two minutes ago?
I said, are we gonna see Zeke Elliott's jump into

(01:22:05):
the kettle the Salvation Army Kettle in today's game against
the Washington Redskins. And say kind of a twofold question,
because hey, you wonder about the celebration, but to even
have the celebration, it would mean Zeke would have to
get in the end zone. Well, Bucky said this. He said,
I don't think you're gonna see him get into the kettle,
but you will see him get into the end zone.
And you're gonna see him do something different and ding

(01:22:26):
ding ding, Bucky Brooks, you are correct, because Ezekiel Elliott
got twenty one bucks from somebody on the sidelines and
threw it into the Salvation Army kettle. That is creativity.
That is a lot of creativity. Just say, way to
make a nice donation to the cause. What I would
have loved is just a huge sack of money like tears,

(01:22:49):
and then just unload the whole thing in that, like
the twenty one bucks. And We've seen some pictures on
Twitter and I'll end up retweeting it for you. You
can get Bucky on Twitter at Bucky Brooks. I'm at
Dan Buyer on Foxy. One dollars in the bottom of
the barrel for Ezekiel Elliott and the Cowboys are up
seven nothing on the Washington Redskins. But that's creativity. One

(01:23:12):
for the number, for the donation to get people in
the giving mood. Didn't hop in. I'm just I'm curious
does the NFL consider they do a prop because yes,
we are Michael Thomas and the the Joe Horn tribute
that he had with the cell phone. Is this going
to be a final offense by the National Football League man.

(01:23:34):
I wonder if they find him, they better donate it
to the Salvation Army. That's that's probably the happy medium
of all of this. I mean, I guess, so, you know,
I guess would have been cooler if he had pulled
a twenty one dollars out of his sock what out
of his sock and dropped it into Maybe he could

(01:23:57):
add his money clip. They sewed a pocket on the
back of his hands, and he brought it out a
lot of different ways. That would have taken more thinking
than what the Chicago Bears did today, who did think
a lot about their celebration. They went against the Lions
doing a Motown tribute, doing another one with calisthenics, if
you will. So the Chicago Bears had all the fun.

(01:24:18):
But we're about a quarter in, about four or fifty
left to go in this first quarter. Colt McCoy getting uh,
I don't know, acquainted, back to the starting job. Little
rusty on the first drive, but now after a Dallas
after all, the Redskins stop Dallas on the second drive,
Washington seems to be moving the ball. Yeah, Washington's find
and find their way. Colee McCoy was a little rusty.
He has now made a couple of plays inside and

(01:24:40):
outside the pocket. They're crossing midfield. Uh, this is a
big drive for the risk and is any little confidence
Dallas kind of had a chance to put some distance
between them because when they were sputtering, they needed to
put another drive together and they couldn't. Right now they
are endangered of letting the wasting risk games right back
in this game again, Redskins down seven nothing, about four
minutes to go in the first order. The Redskins are

(01:25:02):
just cross midfield and there was a blatant face mask
that was missed on a call where Colt McCoy is
throwing the football bucket. I have felt and this is,
by the way, it's not what I was alluding to
earlier of what a rule change should be in the NFL,
But I'm gonna piggyback it off of this. I think
they're there. There's one thing that the NFL should do

(01:25:25):
with penalties. I think you can review face masks. It's
difficult for past interference, it would be difficult for holding.
They're trying to review targeting. The one thing that I
know for sure is that if you grab my face mask,
we can see it and on a penalty like that
if Washington doesn't get the first down where Colt McCoy's

(01:25:46):
head is twisted on something that is so obvious to
the camera but not obvious to the officials on the field.
I think you should be able to review something like that,
you know, But then you you talk about pace of playing,
being able to slow down the game game. I think, Uh,
the NFL wants to get it right, but they also
want the game to move at a nice clip. You
start reviewing, everything slows the game down, and you're complaining

(01:26:09):
because the game is now a four hour games that
at three hours and twenty minutes. Oh boy, Colt McCoy.
That old boy was because Colt McCoy just threw a
duck that was picked off in Dallas and I was
gonna have the ball. The point about the face mask though, Listen,
we don't have to have a full review session over
a face mask penalty. If it's seen, it should be called.

(01:26:31):
That's that's part of my issue with how the whole
replay process takes place. There's a break in the game,
you review it, you have communication, There's gotta be an
easier way to streamline it. There's gotta be a way
that you can just say, hey, face mask penalty on
that play that there's there's a lot of ways they
could do it to speed it up. I just I

(01:26:51):
think that's something that is so obvious that for some
reason it is. I understand when holding calls are massed,
I understand when maybe a pass interference call isn't here there,
but face a face mask is just so blatant. It's
something that can be seen. And this is severe enough
penalty where you're not talking about was he lined up
in the neutral zone or nod, was he on the
line of scrimmage or not That are five yard penalties.

(01:27:13):
This is significant enough where everybody can see. I just
think it would be a better thing for the National
So here's the thing I would ask you. Would you
rather trade being able to review face masks or pass
an interference penalty? Okay, perfect, I would rather review face
masks because I can't stand the NFL's pass interference penalty
and I can't stand spot of the foul. I don't

(01:27:37):
think you should not have a fifty five yard penalty
in an NFL game. It you shouldn't. Now in the NBA,
you've got something called a flagrant one and a flagrant
to foul. There's one thing about a guy not turning
his head around. There's something other completely different than tackling

(01:27:59):
a guy so he's gonna break away. I hate the
fifty five yard the sixtie spot of the foul penalty
that you've gotten the National Football League. Make it severe enough,
make it a twenty yard penalty, do something like however
you want to do it, make it more than the
fifteen yards. But I just I can't stand the pass
interference spot of the foul penalty in the National Football

(01:28:20):
League because it's another advantage for the offense where they
could get bailed out poor fuel position. Just throw one
up and if a defender just doesn't have his head
turned around, it doesn't matter, Bucky. If I'm guarding you
and I'm not touching you, if I don't give you
the appearance of turning my head around, it still can
be called a pass interference call. So I can't stand it.

(01:28:41):
So there's your answer. I actually like your rule. I
like having a p I one and a p I
two one being a severe uh pass inference that was
intentional and deliver it to to eliminate um a potential
touchdown and to being maybe inavertent pass inference where it's
the fifteen yard penalty you reset ball, and where this
automatic first down or not um. I think you have

(01:29:03):
to give back something to the defense so these guys
can play. I know it's an exciting product to watch.
I know everyone gets excited about seeing points um being scored,
but man, you have to give defense as an opportunity
to at least play without one hand top behind their back.
Am I crazy and telling you this? This was my
rule change that I thought banning slants. You're gonna be

(01:29:27):
a listen if you want to talk about trying to
help defenders out. I know it sounds absurd. You can
inbreaking it sounds absurd, but I think those are the
routes where receivers a get hurt the most. Be you've
got the most likelihood of a helmet helmet contact, and
guess what it actually gives the defense a break. I

(01:29:49):
know it sounds so out of this world, as you
just said, how are you gonna ban a slant? However,
I think as you're looking at the NFL and where
we are headed, those are the types of calls where
we see a majority of the head injuries and they
had collisions. Why not instead of putting the onus on
the defense, put it on the offense, who obviously doesn't

(01:30:12):
care about the health of their wide receivers because in
the middle absolutely like they don't care. So somebody's got
to do something about it. Banned slants in the National
Football League as a rule. Wow, that's not one did.
I expected the expect to hear all kinds of other stuff.
And I know, but if you're really concerned, and I'm

(01:30:32):
not trying to like say something so ridiculous to try
to get a response, but if you're so concerned about
the safety of your players and the players on the
field of the coaches are doing nothing, and I'm talking
about on the offensive side of the ball, they're really
putting it all on the defense and the defensive player
is really caught in between of how do I tackle?
Which has been a discussion that we've talked about for

(01:30:54):
the last couple of years in the NFL. Not just
do away with it, no slants. Do whatever you want,
but you can't do a slant because somebody's gonna get injured.
I don't may sound far fetched, but I think it's
the way that you could prevent some of the stuff
that we're seeing. Maybe if you don't over the middle,
you certainly eliminate some of they had to hit contacts
yesterday we've seen I just don't know if I don't

(01:31:14):
know if you can get hit if you get an
offensive coach to fully endorsed, well, they haven't gotten they haven't.
They haven't got a lot going for them lately. They
I mean, I mean, the offense has been getting some
really tough breaks when it comes to rule change. When
is the last time that the NFL has given the
defensive break? They don't because no one cares. No one
cares about the defense. Yeah, yeah, they don't, they don't.

(01:31:34):
Cowboys got the ball after the Colt McCoy interception, but
Washington to stop them and around the Dallas fort yard line.
So it looks like Dallas is gonna be forced to
punt up seven nothing on the Redskins as they end
the first quarter on Fox in Arlington. Earlier today, the
Bears top the Lion's twenty three to sixteen. Detroit falls
to four and seven. The Bears sitting at top the

(01:31:54):
NFC North are eight and three Falcons and Saints coming
up later tonight from New Orleans. He's Bucky Brooks. I'm
Dan Buyer. This is the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox
Sports Radio. It's that time and coming up next we
draft Thanksgiving Day here on Fox Sports Radio. He's Bucky Brooks.
I'm Dan Buyer. Cowboys at top of the Redskins, seven

(01:32:15):
to nothing, twelve minutes to go until halftime in that
game in Arlington, the Cowboys getting a touchdown run from
Ezekiel Elliott to put him up by that seventh to
nothing score, and then after his touchdown run donated twenty
one dollars to the Salvation Army. Giant red kettle that
was sitting in the end zone didn't jump in, but
did throw twenty one dollars into that end zone. Very fitting. Bucky. Yeah,

(01:32:37):
he was letting everybody know he's thankful. He is. He's
thankful for a touchdown and thankful that some other guy
would sit in the end zone with the twenty one
dollars that could hand it to him. The question that
many people had when Michael Thomas scored his touchdown against
the Rams was was there a cell phone underneath both
uh uprights? This one, I'm wondering if this guy had

(01:32:59):
just run to each end zone, whatever way the Cowboys
were going to make sure if Zeke got in that
he would be there to handle the I think you
probably did. Yeah, yeah, that's This is a Thanksgiving Day
and I want to thank you for listening and being
with us here at the Doug Gottlieb showing Fox Sports Radio,
spending some time with us. You're a part of the family,
just like John Ramo, Seric Roberts, David Gascon, Bucky and myself.

(01:33:23):
We are so glad to have you with us and
for your Thanksgiving treat we will present to you the
first ever on Fox Sports Radio Thanksgiving Day drafts. Yes,
here it is. It's a two round spectacle. Eric, are
you ready for this? Oh yeah, John Ramos, You're ready,
Always ready, Dan and Bucky, David Gascon, you're ready for

(01:33:44):
our draft? All right, Thanksgiving Day Draft. This is what
we're drafting, the things that Thanksgiving that you cannot live without.
You get big one item and we're gonna do two
rounds of this. Bucking Brooks, you are actually on the clock.
You have the first overall pick in our things that

(01:34:05):
you can't live without on Thanksgiving draft, Bucky Brooks, you
are on the clock the one thing you can't live
without on Thanksgiving Day. Wow. Eric Roberts just just turned
his head in disgust. The Kuiper had turkey, Todd McShay

(01:34:30):
had turkey, all the draft experts, Mike Mayock had football.
No one had sweet potata castro. I think Thanksgiving would
legimly be ruined if, like sweep my sweep potatoes, we
didn't show up. Wow, if it looked it was number
one on Eric's board, That's why he was so mad
by the way, I sweet potanta casserole encompasses all forms

(01:34:53):
of sweet potatoes or yams. Okay, no one can. You
can't be like I'll take just a I'll just take
a yam. You can't do that. It's part of the
cast role. Sweet potato casserole goes number one, al right,
next time the clock, John Ramos, had you thought about
training up to get number one at all? John? I

(01:35:14):
did not, did not, But I appreciate that what I
do like yams and sweet potato. I'm gonna go. I'm
even I'm gonna pass on on turkey because he's that's
doing well. This The last couple of ships played in.
I'm gonna take ham. What is this? Have you been
doing Thanksgiving with Ham? Yes? Yes, it's on the side table.

(01:35:38):
Though it's on the table, you gotta go to the
kiddie table to get the ham. Interesting. I have never
been out of Thanksgiving with Ham. If I would, I
would immediately lead I love you some Ham on Thanksgiving. Wow.
So off the board the big board, sweet potata cast
role goes one. Hammer is number two, Eric, I know

(01:36:00):
you wanted the sweep potato casserole. What's gonna be the
consolation prize at number three? Pumpkin pie. Pumpkin pie if
you could tell, I got a major sweet tooth sweet Yeah,
sweepotato sweet potatoes I used as my my gravy. They
pretty much getting mixed in everybody. And then sweet potato pie.
I literally have to be kept from eating like a
whole pie to myself sometime. This is interesting because there

(01:36:23):
are people who can't stand pumpkin pie. I look okay
full at mission. I am one of those people who
don't like it. But last night, last night I made
my first pumpkin pie with my daughter, and I may
be converted. Really was that it was good enough for

(01:36:44):
it was at the moment that had you not at
We put all kinds of stuff in, so it was
pumpkin pie maybe in name only, because all the other
stuff we put in to sweeten it up, it shouldn't
be a pumpkin pie. I put about a half pound
of whipped cream on top of to see the pumpkin
pies enough. I do enjoy a slice of pumpkin pie. Dave.

(01:37:05):
The board is wide open. I have to say in
my mock draft, I did not have sup potato castserole
ham and pumpkin pie. Go one to three, Dave. You're
on the clock at number four and things you can't
live without on Thanksgiving. I gotta go with the obvious.
I'll go with football football there, Dave, you want to eat, No,

(01:37:30):
I'm good. I'm watching. I'm watching Matthew Stafford throw good
morning to you. Matthew Stafford made me lose my appetite.
I do not want to eat for the rest of
the day watching those two things go down. Oh boy, Okay,
I'm on the clock and it's a snake draft, so

(01:37:50):
I get two picks here. I've got to take turkey,
and there's listen, there's no way that Turkey should be
left until the second round. So I am going Turkey.
And while I do love a good old nap, I
do love a good old map sep. I am. I
am going to leave it on the board because there

(01:38:11):
is something that I love At Thanksgiving and really any holiday.
I am a dinner roll guy. I look for the
butter and and and if I if there's mashed potatoes there,
maybe I'll have some of that. But to take the
take the dinner roll, split it in half and put

(01:38:32):
butter on both sides. Oh my goodness, dinner roll the
first pick. The second round, you snaked me on that one.
I'm I'm a big fan of like Kings of Wine rolls,
so absolutely that's a good job by you. Um, I'm
gonna go off the board on this pick. And just

(01:38:54):
because we live in a digital world, guys, I'm gonna
go with social media pictures. And the reason why is
because I absolutely love the Black Friday pictures of the
candle out like a Best Buy a like twelve at
night or three o'clock in the morning. I love the pandemonium.
By the way, I've noticed, family is still available, so

(01:39:16):
spending time with family is still on the board if
anybody wants it, because David Gascon would rather spend time
with Twitter. Then he went with any of his family
members Twitter and football, so he needs to have his
phone and TV. By the way, this is any other
Sunday that you could also have Twitter. Have you seen

(01:39:36):
the fights though on Friday mornings? And yeah, I was
telling by the way, I was telling Bucky, there's a
there's a popular department store up by where we live,
and I'm sure it's in any city around the country
that has this store. They open at five tonight, are
open until two am Friday morning, then take their four
hour lunch and open again at six am. So that's yeah,

(01:39:57):
that's that's what Black Friday has come about. Alright, So
so Twitter Twitter with Black Friday stories. By the way,
that's like the Division three player like that, just all
this he was on No One's drafted for We don't
even have highlights to show him. That goes number seven
over to Eric Roberts, our executive producer with with with

(01:40:18):
the eighth overall picks. So this is this is one
of my favorite parts of Thanksgiving. It's um, I'm sure
it happens throughout households across the nation. I love weaseling
out of doing the dishes after Thanksgiving, I get up,
I get up. I'm one of the first ones. Like
I'm one of the last ones eating, but I'm one
of the first ones away from the table. I'm just
trying to hide. I'm on the couch, you know, trying

(01:40:40):
to just rest and not working, digesting going yet. Yeah,
so not working what Eric does here? No, I'm just kidding.
It was killing. It was too easy. It was too easy,
so getting out of chores. By the way, mashed potatoes
is still available. I know sweet potatoes kind of, but
mashed potatoes are separate. Sweet potatoes on my mashed potatoes. Oh,

(01:41:02):
it's a purpose. Are you that skinny? I'm telling you, man,
I have the worst sweet skinny fat sea fat. He's
a fat guy and a skinny guys. I'm fat fat.
Unfortunately it's gonna change though. En is my year? All right?

(01:41:25):
Just before we get to John, I just want to
ask you this question. Is there anything that is still
on the board that you are waiting for that you
hope drops the number ten? Oh? Okay, alright, I think
it's gonna be there. But yeah, we're willing to trade Okay, alright,
let's see. Uh John Ramos, you were on the clock
at number nine. Well, I'm gonna pass on mashed potatoes.

(01:41:47):
And it didn't have a good running game the last month.
It's very slow, very slow. That's right. I am going
to take my second favorite stuffing stuff that is a
good I am picturing John's plate just filled with stuffing
in Ham's, eight slices of ham and and huge stuffing

(01:42:10):
on the side. Alright, alright, Bucky, to wrap up our
Fox Sports Radio this right here, this is my Pat Mahomes.
Oh really, Pat Maholes was drafted tenth overall. And I
absolutely believe cranberry sauce where it is being right there,
And I am not talking about the cranberry sauce with

(01:42:32):
the real cranberries. I am talking right out the canes
and oh, we're gonna slice it up. We're gonna slice
it up, and we're gonna put it on the four
edges up the black Buck. He said he'd actually skip
the man meal to get to the desserts earlier. He's like,
straight to the dessert cranberry sauce. It is an amazing

(01:42:56):
thanksgiving the draft to recap it. Number one on the
board holding up the jersey. Is Ham somehow goes ahead
of Turkey. I have no idea. I've honestly eight turkey
at Thanksgiving dinner before because I felt obligated to eating turkey.

(01:43:18):
It's true, and turkey it's like a hot dog at
a ballpark, like turkey on Thanksgiving Day just taste so
much better. But Ham went number two. Pumpkin Pie went
number three. By the way, I was gonna say that, yeah,
there it is there, it is he Deshaun Watson is

(01:43:39):
the Turkey. But Ham goes to pumpkin Pie went to
Eric at number three. David took football at four. I
had the back to back picks of turkey at five
with the dinner roll with butter. At six, David went
back to Twitter so specific to it's like you strapped
a kick returner, you know, like it was like so specific.

(01:44:02):
It was Twitter on Black Friday went seven, and then
uh took not working, not helping my family. By the way,
family is a free agent, so you can sign family.
Maybe they can come into the training camp. John took
stuff in the Cranberry sauce one through ten. There it

(01:44:24):
is your Thanksgiving Day draft here on Fox sports radio
things you can't live without Thanksgiving. He's Bucky Brooks. I'm
Dan Buyer to get an update on what is happening
in Arlington. After a strong draft and entertaining with the
TV and Twitter, here's David Guess. I feel like I
need to justify my picks now all of a sudden,

(01:44:45):
because the football you're the food. And then you mentioned
as soon as you eat turkey, you want to jump
in a bed and go to sleep. Yeah, So while
you're passing out watching these football games, there's a commercial break,
you get to see fights on social media. There you go,
that's speaking of Right now, your boy Colton McCoy with
a long touchdown pass to all of all guys, Vernon Davis,

(01:45:08):
Redskins with p a t away from tying this ball game,
up seven oh four to play in the first half,
Dallas right now by a point seven to six. Looks
like a fifty was it fifty three year touchdown pass
from Colton McCoy to Vernon Davis of all people. Mean,
while earlier today takes the snap, here's the picked up

(01:45:29):
and there he goes that it checks into the house
at the ten five into touchdown half of the second
week in a row. Eddie checks into the house and
up Pick six Bears Radio Network. They get it done
on the road. Three sixteen guys. They won three games
in the last twelve days. It's pretty awesome Bears right now.
They continue to dominate that division. They beat the Lines

(01:45:52):
sixteen Chase Daniel in relief seven and thirty seven two
yards through the air and also two touchdown passes. Later
on tonight, it's twelve point favorites at home against the
Atlanta Falcons. Kickoff time is at eight twenty easter and
you all in college football, two games today, one in
progress started the third quarter, Air Force leading Colorado State

(01:46:12):
seventeen to thirteen. In college basketball today Top twenty five Action,
Number twenty five Wisconsin beat up on Oklahoma seventy eight
to fifty eight. Number four Virginia leading Dayton right now
to forty five. Gentlemen, back to you, Thank you very much, Dave.
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(01:46:33):
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College hundred nine for seven auto. The only hard part
figuring out which way is easier. I know we did
a draft, but as Dave said, the Redskins back in
this game. Now tied up with the Cowboys at seven apiece.
It seemed like Dallas came out with some haymakers early on.
Dak looked to be on point, hitting a bunch of
different receivers than we had. The Ezekiel Elliott run. Washington's

(01:46:56):
defense was able to hold serve on a couple of
stops and now back in it again, it's the Cowboys
even up at seven. Yeah, they worked their way back.
Uh it's funny because I just tweeted out about cold
McCoy being a quarterback to a number two quarterback for
a reason. Then he hits a big shot that Vernon
Davis and maybe that's enough to kick start this Washington
Riskins offense. And if you're a Dallas Cowboys, uh, this

(01:47:17):
is a game that was going to be a tough
matchup for you up front because the Ridskins front line
their front four um grown men up front in terms
of their size, the ability to really control the point.
They're gonna have to be able to run the football.
But Dak Prescott needs to be able to get some
passes but right now they're getting whooped up front in
the trenches, and he hasn't had a lot of time.
He's already taken two sacks and has been knocked around

(01:47:39):
quite a bit in the pocket. I just tweeted out
our draft order for the first round. I know that
Eric was gonna do it as well, but I'm sorry.
I want to talk Falcon Saints, but I am just
I am. I am thrown off that Turkey drop to five.
I thought, I this is how I thought our draft
would got. This was my mock draft that I should

(01:48:01):
have put out. I thought Bucky goes football one, just
because I mean, it's in his d n A. It's
it's in his d n A. I thought John then
would likely go. I thought maybe Turkey maybe stuffing and
and then whatever that wasn't. I thought Eric would go.
I thought Dave would maybe go somewhere of a n

(01:48:23):
app or maybe of a sweet tooth thing, and then
I'd have to pick up the rest. But I just
didn't think that Turkey would last a five. Turkey has
some see what you didn't have, you didn't have the background.
Turkey has some character issues, and so we so we
decided collectively that we were gonna wait on Turkey because

(01:48:46):
he has some character issues and right he's not quite
ready to be the face of a franchise. Guys, if
I may, yeah, I gotta say this. And because of
the offenses now in the National Football League, I feel
like a lot of people in today's world have made
Turkey into an exotic. Where they've done is They've they've
fried turkey, They've wrapped it in bacon. I mean, there's
so many different things you can do with Turkey now

(01:49:08):
as opposed to having it just bland or having it
on a roll. I feel like, yeah, Turkeys a little underrated.
I think it's making a comeback. It's Andy Reid. Right,
he's evolved, am I right? Like he's turned in. You
just thought it was just a West Coast offense, Mike
home Grin disciple coming from Bill Walsh. But no, like
he's evolved. But we still we just don't give him

(01:49:29):
enough credit. We don't give enough credit for the evolution
that that he's made. And so maybe maybe next year
Turkey will remake themselves and they'll come back and there'd
be a better prospect there was there was. I'm on
a community Facebook thing where members of the community. It's
usually like if there's you know, maybe if there's uh

(01:49:50):
something shady going, I'll just you know, for community members
to keep in in contact. And someone made a post
last night saying, if you smell smoke, don't worry about it.
I'm smoking my turkey. And not that it's unheard of,
but as Dave said, yeah, you usually bake up, but
now more people are doing different things, and deep frying

(01:50:10):
is a popular one where some people may think like,
oh gosh, deep frying a turkey, you know, they could
then could explode. But smoking a turkey. The tough thing
about smoking a turkey, I would say, is that if
you mess it up, there's no going back. And I
think it's easy to just make a turkey and pop
into the oven. And if it's a little dry, it's
a little dry. But if you could really mess it

(01:50:31):
up if it's smoked, I don't know. That's just my
way of looking at it. And by the way, the
second round which I haven't gotten to dinneral Twitter Twitter
on Black Friday, uh not working, which I didn't even
know wasn't. I didn't even know that they were in
the draft. I thought that that would be a supple
supplemental thing getting out of chores, stuffing and cranberry sauce?

(01:50:53):
Which which one? Um? Which one? Do you? By the way?
Celebration wise, do you like the motown? Did like the
zeke over the celebrations we've seen so far, the mo
the motown is high. The choreography that the thought that
went into that um calf, the passing the mike to
President Mukamar, that was one that was that was discussed

(01:51:16):
and so I'm I'm big on that one that that
was a big one for me. I like that. He's
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(01:51:36):
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tight one. Is they get a little bit closer to halftime?

(01:51:56):
Cowboys are moving into Redskins territory. Coming up next, we'll
give you the latest headlines, what happened earlier today, and
what else is happening in sports next year on Fox
Sports Radio. He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Dan Buyer. We are
in for Doug on this Thanksgiving days so glad to
have you with us. We had our Thanksgiving Day draft
lunch Box Berserker tweets in Ham. Is that a thing?

(01:52:18):
Ham was second overall in our draft by John Ramos.
Bucky Brooks said the first overall pick sweet potato casserole
is he tweeted out at Bucky Brooks, sweet Potato casserole
is a franchise player that you can have ten or
fifteen Thanksgivings and he's good every single one of those years.
I mean, you can just build it. You can build

(01:52:40):
around and now I believe Sweepertoto castroll is something that
is to be enjoyed, not just on Thanksgiving. I have
been known, I've been known to go to a certain
steakhouse Ruth Chris and get the sweet Potato castroll and
get it and cast it to the side to save it.
Oh yeah, I kind of like it's my dessert. Like
Eric would like that. Like I'll eat the other stuff

(01:53:01):
I have, like the steak or the chicken or whatever. Now,
eat the brussels and all that, but at the end
of the night, we're gonna finish with the sweet potato.
That's I do that with certain foods. There's certain things
that I would eat in certain order. I'm not eat
one thing and then to the next. But the stuff
that I don't, so, yeah, I don't. I can you know.

(01:53:21):
I'll have a little bit of this, a little bit
of that, But I can understand of wanting to save.
When I was growing up, there would be This wasn't
every day, but I don't know. Maybe once in a while,
my mom would put to Hostess cupcakes of my lunch
for my take to school lunch would be a big deal,
and I would save one of the cupcakes for when

(01:53:43):
I got home from school, so I'd have the one,
but I would actually peel the frosting off of the
actual cupcake first and have all the frosting and then
the cupcakes. So I get your sweet potato casserole of
something to look for cakes, so she put Hostess cupcakes. Yeah,
just the two packs. You know, I'm very familiar. We
we are. We are snack cake kids over here. So

(01:54:06):
when you think about like growing up, for me, it
was the Little Debbiees oatmeal cakes. Oh yes, the Little
Debbiees oatmeal cakes. We would have in the pantry. You
would you would get home from school, and I had
had a younger brother. My younger brother wasn't in love
with them, but even if he was, I would take
him when she would bring him home from the store,

(01:54:28):
and I would rearraise the pantry to put him behind
the serious so he couldn't find them, so I would
be the only guy in the house that knows where
they are. You also know that we know what we're
talking about because we know the difference between Hostess and
a Little Debbie. There's some people that don't understand the
you know, but yeah, completely separate. Oh yeah, for sure,

(01:54:51):
I know what you I was always a the zebra cakes. Yeah,
I can't get enough of zebra zebra ki eggs. The
and then when Valentine's Day would come around, they would
give you the special ones that were kind of pink
with the yellow cake on the inside all that. What's
the peanut butter wafer one of where it's like chocolate

(01:55:12):
but it's got peanut butter. Well, so I remember, I
remember thing to have Star Crunch was one thing. Okay
that had kind of like the rice frisky things or whatever.
But then I remember the peanut butter wafers that they
would kind of have the chocolate with the wafers and
that other what was what was they were the peanut
butter like they're almost like like they had a little
chrisp Nutty Buddies, the Nutty Buddies, nut the Nutty Bars. Yes,

(01:55:34):
the Nutty Man. We're total just total sweet soothing now
right now, and I the store. He's gonna stop by
the store on the way. He's gonna go to thingsgiven
with with snacks in toe by the way, if the
Food Network had a talk Readio network, it's the last
hour of what we talked about his food for the

(01:55:56):
last forty eight minutes. Yeah, this this, this is it. Yeah,
I'm not a fan of these, but my dad was
always more of a moonpie guy. Oh yeah, I'm not really,
I'm not really, I'm not really a moonpie do I
don't know, David Gascon, are you a moonpie guy? You
are you in the little deVie? I am? And uh

(01:56:17):
I will say this like you know how you guys
will I think everyone pretty much has like their post
thanks Giving meal, like at the end of the night. Um.
The Spanish side of my family, grandmother and her sister,
my aunt, they would always make Thanksgiving Day to malls
and man that like that's a game change. Yeah, we

(01:56:40):
would have those twice a year. We'd always have it
the day of the Rose Bowl and the night of
Thanksgiving Day. So yeah, those are those are primetime homemade
to males. John ron wist to get you exped that
not as popular in north central Wisconsin. But one thing
that did not make our list. I meant and family,

(01:57:00):
family fights, you know, those things are always you know,
President on Thanksgiving David mentioned late in the day maybe
the uncle's that a little too much to drink, says
a little something that he shouldn't have And oh it's
a tradition unlike any other. Just like the press is here,
the press, David Gascott is here to give Bucky and

(01:57:22):
myself and John and Derek the headlines going on throughout
the World of Sports. Thanksgiving Day, what do you got, David? Guys,
I'm surprised you didn't mention this either. The best part
about Thanksgiving meals is if you have the ability to
slow play what you're doing. Let everybody eat first, because
then you can just load up your plate and nobody
can judge you because you know you're just trying to
do your best. Make sure there's no left over. That's

(01:57:45):
that's that's smart. I've I've gone back for seconds and thirds,
but the thirds is tricky because you do want to
save room for that dessert is Bucky talked about. So
I'm usually a seconds and then go back to dessert
for seconds. So there's the four trips in between, right, well,
so I can have trips a couple of different appearances
in the end zone. For Eddie Jackson over the last

(01:58:05):
couple of weeks, takes the snap, here's up and there
he goes that it checks into the house at the
ten five into touchdown. After the second week in a row,
Eddie checks into the house and up pick six man
the Bears. The Bears know how to celebrate to the uh,
I mean, winning obviously cures a lot of different things,

(01:58:26):
and the Bears have done a lot of that this year,
but that post TD celebration was fantastic on the Bears
Radio network. They win it again twenty three to sixteen.
They've won their last three games in a span of
twelve days as they beat the Lines on the road
sixteen and Chase Daniel was good coming in relief for
Mitchell Trabiski, who will be able to play in Week
number thirteen. Two thirty yards, passing two tds and did

(01:58:49):
not turn over the rock. Still not a believer, but
they're gonna make the playoffs. It wins now. It could
be a complete falling on their face effort for them
to not make the playoffs. Bears I think are in
right right Yeah, Bears, Bears done deal. Cowboys right now
lead the Redskins tend to seven ballgame is on Fox.

(01:59:10):
Is over a minute to play in the first half.
Saints and Falcons, Gentleman. These two teams locked up earlier
this season and New Orleans won it and by a
one score advantage, winning it by six in overtime. This
one way different though. Saints right now rolling right along
and they are twelve point favorites heading into tonight's contest.
Division showdown. It's just tough for me to think. I

(01:59:32):
know as well as the Saints have beenned that the
Falcons won't at least somewhat be in this game just
because the division rivals. And Dave mentioned the game that
they played a few weeks back, Saints one, what I
think it was in overtime two as well. Seven. Yeah,
I don't know, Saints. I think you're gonna win, but
Atlanta has at least gotta keep it somewhat close. Yeah, yeah,

(01:59:52):
it's a lot of shock man. Bucky Hey, Bucky I
said twelve and a half yesterday, said he likes Atlanta
to keep it closer. All right, Well, guys, we'll go
off the field real quick. New York Daily News is
reporting Jets defensive lineman Leonard Williams says a coaching change
could affect his decision to stay put. Williams actually said, quote,
if there's a coaching change, that's gonna be basically playing

(02:00:13):
for a whole new team. And if I'm gonna be
playing for a new team here anyway, well then it
would be the same as playing for a new team
somewhere else. End quote. How big of a blow would
that be? For the Jets. Uh, it'd be big. Lendard
Williams doesn't have any control because he's a first round pick.
He has to play on his fifth year option. After

(02:00:33):
that they could franchise him to maybe three times. So
as much as he would like to be able to
dictate the terms when it comes to coaching, he doesn't
have a choice. He's going for a while. Ah the
ch e t s Jets, Jets, Jets, providing us with
more entertainment. Guys, I will send this story into the

(02:00:53):
good night with a great story. Because Eric mentioned nearly
he hates cleaning up on Thanksgiving Day, Well check this out.
A couple in Manville, Louisiana was cleaning up for a
Thanksgiving party. What do they find when they were cleaning
up a lottery ticket from June the six of this year.
It was a winning lottery ticket that they forgot about

(02:01:14):
one point eight million dollars. This couple found while they
were cleaning up. Guys, it had two weeks left before
it expired, and they found it because they were cleaning
up for a Thanksgiving party that the press. I immediately
checked the numbers like I've never like because I always

(02:01:36):
am like alright, why not be a millionaire right now,
Let's just check it out. It's just after the top
of the hour. Let's check them out. Man just leaving
it around. Oh gosh, imagine that man at one point
he did it. Christmas a lot of cash, Yeah, a
lot of good Thanksgivings and Christmas. We'll see if the
sciintific good Thanksgiving coming up next. Fox Sports Radio has

(02:01:57):
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to listen live. Man, have you missed a lot in
the last three hours. If we've been hanging out, We're
with you for another sixty minutes. But I can tell
you this. Bucky's gobbler of the day Eddie Jackson the
Chicago Bears with that interception. The pick six of Matthew

(02:02:21):
Stafford to seal didn't seal the deal, but it put
the Bears up twenty three to sixteen. After the extra
point broke that sixteen all tie. The picks six allowed
the Bears to get a win today. My gizzard of
the day was Matthew Stafford with the two late interceptions
for the Lions, including one in the end zone as
they were in the red zone late in the contest.
That pretty much sealed the deal for the Chicago Bears.

(02:02:43):
We had our Thanksgiving Day draft where John Ramos the
selection of Ham is getting some critique as it went
number two overall, ahead of Turkey, and in fact, when
someone tweeted, John shot back with him and said, well,
Ham's the thing for me, and I picked second, So
in your base. All of that and a whole lot more,
including Cowboys Redskins heading to the half, Cowboys up by

(02:03:07):
a score of ten to seven, Dallas getting on the
board with that Ezekiel Elliott touchdown, and then Colt McCoy
hit Vernon Davis for a fifty three yards strike. Dallas
added a field goal. But there we are ten seven
with Ezekiel Elliott celebrating his touchdown run by putting one
into the Salvation Army kettle. There. I think we got
you caught up on Thanksgiving is Did I miss anything, Bucky?

(02:03:29):
Did I miss anything about? I mean, as I said,
we did the draft, We did the Gobbler of the day. Yeah,
we we We took care of it. We briefly touched
on the Lakers, but it's all has been all about
Thanksgiving in football. Uh we started and there's football tonight.
Saints and Falcons. It's a rivalry. You know, we talked
about rivalries in the National Football League and Packers, Bears, Cowboys, Redskins,

(02:03:55):
perfect example. Falcons Saints may not be known nationally. Is
a big Yeah, it is a huge, huge deal. They
played tonight in New Orleans. Saints won the first meeting
in overtime, forty three to thirty seven. We know about
the pieces that Atlanta has been missing throughout this season.

(02:04:17):
Now the venue changes to New Orleans. Big game for
the Saints tonight to continue as they try to hold
on well. They would actually with the win tonight, would
take over the top spot in the NFC. The Rams
just had an edge because they played one more game.
But when it comes down to the tiebreakers, the Saints
would win because they had to head. But anyway, Saints
looking to go ten and one tonight with a win

(02:04:39):
over Atlanta, Yeah, big game for them. And you know
this would be a huge game in terms of let's
check the Saints emotional maturity when it comes to this.
Had two big games back to back. They beat the
Rams and they dusted off to Philadelphia Eagles, dusted them
off in impressive fashion and didn't had a lot to
say afterwards. How did they handle the Atlanta Falcons who
are coming off a loss to the Dallas Cowboys. They

(02:05:02):
need this game. Can the Saints take care of business
or do they kind of relax and become a little
complacent and allow the Falcons to get a big win?
Is there a thing? Because I do think that there
is a thing. But I'll ask you, you've been in
football no more about football than you've forgotten more about
football than Oliver know? Is there a thing about peaking

(02:05:22):
too soon? The Saints peaked too soon? Because I know
that they're playing great football. Is this just the level
of the plant or is this really the New Orleans
Saints peaking? You know that that that is a really
really good question. Ideally, you want to be playing your
best football heading into the playoffs. And sometimes, I mean,
obviously you can't control when your team kind of comes

(02:05:43):
together and and everything kind of clicks and you get it.
But if you're Champagne and the coaching staff, you want
to make sure that each week you're getting a little better.
The mistakes are coming down on tape Uh, the team
is jelling. The rapport is good between uh, the quarterback
and the receivers and the running backs in the line,
and all the chemistry is right. But they are playing

(02:06:04):
great ball right now. The thing that you worry about,
the thing that can kind of change the way they're playing.
Any kind of injury. Uh, a loss, no matter what
the loss is, a loss can begin to kind of
mess with your psyche and your confidence. So as Sean
Payton kind of continues to build a game plan and
look at his team in practice right now, he needs

(02:06:25):
to coach him harder because they've had more success, to
make sure they don't become complacent and began to cut corners.
Their schedule two is intriguing for a lot of different reasons.
You think that they've already gone through a murderer's row,
if you will, by facing the Rams and Vikings and
now another matchup with the the Atlanta Falcons. But they've
got Dallas coming up a week from tonight. They played

(02:06:46):
that Thursday night game in Arlington, which is interesting. They
haven't played the Panthers yet, and the the NFL scheduling
of how it is they're not gonna play the Panthers
until Week fifteen, sandwiched in between their Ucky you Gotta
date with the Pittsburgh Steelers. So the Saints just seem
to be a Markis matchup after Markis matchup every single week.

(02:07:09):
And the reason that I asked about the peaking as
well as these aren't just also ran games. These are
big games and games that you're going to get up for,
and I'm just wondering, at some point does that take
any toll on New Orleans? Of heck, another big game?
Now we got a division, We've got like it can
take a toll on them, and through no fault of

(02:07:29):
their own, they may lose one or two of those games.
And so when you speak about their schedule and you
look at the Ram schedule, the Rams are better position
to be the number one overall seed in the NFC.
And if you think about being the number one seed
and what it means with home field advantage, that is
a huge deal for the l A Rams. No one

(02:07:49):
wants to have to go deal with the New Orleans
Saints at their place. They're a different team when they
play at home. Look, they're good home in a way,
but it's something different when they're playing on there and
the Yen Yang Twins and the music is going and
all that other stuff. You don't want to have to
deal with the Saints when they're at the house. I
find it funny too. In the in the NFC specifically
you mentioned the Saints. There are spots that you don't

(02:08:12):
want a team to have home field advantage just for
the simple fact of they're so good at home. The
Rams home field advantage, honestly is whatever. I mean, the
only thing that was encouraging it was loud on Monday.
That might be the first time that I've actually felt like,
oh Man to Colline Simmons rocking, and it appears to
be rocking for the Rams. There have been other times

(02:08:32):
where it's been what we call the takeover. The Green
Bay Packers come to town, they take over the stadium
to watch the Rams come down. They take over the
state in the Philadephi Eagles, Minnesota Vikings. We've seen it
on and on and on. But that game on Monday Night,
big stage, it appeared to be more Rams fans. The
Rams fans were engaged, and it was loud, and that's
what they're going to need to help them get through

(02:08:54):
the playoffs and and I look at the Cowboys as
well as another team. Where As I said, I know
that we we talked about the brand of the Dallas
Cowboys and how great it is. Would have never sat
there and felt, wow, that team's got to go to Dallas.
It's just more about it's more about facing the Cowboys.
I actually I feel the same thing about New England,

(02:09:14):
like for some reason there's yeah, it's gonna be cold
up there, but it's not like Lambou cold like that
you would get in Greeny Like. No, it's just more
of like, oh, jeez, we gotta face the stupid Patriots
in their own backyard. It's not that the crowd or
anything as as anything to do with it. It's just
more of like, alright, if you could get in New
England out of Foxborough, then it's good. It's just it's

(02:09:36):
it's more of an advantageous than of you know, it's
not going there that's the issue. It's you just maybe
have a better chance of beating them somewhere else, And
it's not the crowd. It's more yeah, absolutely down. The
thing that that will say when it comes to the pages,
A couple of things that have always kind of been
steady and consistent. When they go to the super Bowl
Number one, they always win the first round. By they

(02:09:57):
always have had the first round said, it means they
only have two games that they need to win to
get into the super Bowl. That is huge for them.
I don't think it had changed this year because they
have a bunch of easier games in the NFC East
that should keep them out in front and allowed him
to have either the first or the second seed, which
kind of puts them in that path. Uh, the team
that you have to look at that home field could

(02:10:19):
be a huge gift for them, the Chicago Bears. The
Bears are kind of hanging on the periphery. They can
be a team that if they get home field, cold Wendy,
It's a team that really reallies on their defense. All
of those things helped them out. If they kind of
back into the number two seed and they knocked the
Ramps or the Saints out of a home field situation,

(02:10:42):
the Bears could be a team that is very, very
difficult to beat in their own stadium. He's Fucky Brooks,
I'm Dan Buyer. This is Fox Sports Radio. As we
tell you at halftime, it's the Cowboys ten Redskins seven
in our triple header of NFL Action. One other points
about the a f C in the playoff situation that
it's going down when you see the Texans at seven

(02:11:03):
and three, you have the Patriots at seven and three.
The Steelers are seven win team, They've got that tie
against the Browns that would put them ahead. They've got
Kansas City at nine and two. To have the division
winner be the four seed likely means a date with
the Chargers that third seed. That the third seed is
gonna be something because you don't you likely want at

(02:11:25):
the face the Chargers in that contest. That's there's so
when you're talking about jocking for a position, not only
jocking for a first round by in the a f C,
you're also trying to make sure you at least get
that third spot because I don't think a team that
that wins the division is gonna want the Chargers coming
to town for that wild card game. No, they don't
want that. And the thing about the Chargers and the

(02:11:49):
Chargers let a game slip against the Denver Broncos, that man,
they're gonna want the game back because the game could
really hurt them. Because if they want they were being
will positioned to take over the a f C West,
and even still they may end up getting the game
and getting the f C West. The Charges don't have
at home field advantage any team that faces them, especially

(02:12:10):
if they have to come and play them at their place.
They're not gonna fear because uh, small stadium, they don't
really have a huge fan base. UH noise is not
going to be an issue. Whether they're not going to
be an issue. So they really don't have an advantage
by playing at home. Really good team, a team that
continue to get better with Joey Bosa being back. As
long as they stay injury free, this is a team

(02:12:30):
that can do it. But for whatever reason, they just
have these flubs. They haven't solved the kicking game issue
because they can't find a field goal kicker, a kicker
that can consistently knock down p A T s and
field goal short field goals, and they just kind of
have a thing where they man, they just lose games
that they should win. And so we'll see if they

(02:12:50):
can develop and grow and grow into what we say
being a champion is because the pieces all there's about
them being able to finish what was the toughest place
you had to play. We in the NFL. I was
just like, oh uh, you know, it's funny because the
toughest places where I had to play, I was on
the home team. Lambeau was absolutely hard to win it. Uh,

(02:13:11):
when I was there in the mid nineties. Obviously, I mean,
Brad Fare made it hard to win, hard win there
because he won three straight m vps. He was unbelievable.
He was magical. We had a stellar defense with Reggie
Wright and the crew. Um, you couldn't go to Lambeaux
and win a game. That was tough. Arrowheads Stadium in
Kansas City is another tough place because it's a collegiate

(02:13:33):
like atmosphere. The way the stadium is constructed, it's allowed.
And so we had Derrick Thomas coming off the edge.
The home field made it where you had to go
solid count He's jumping snaps and hitting hitting your quarterback
in the back. That is a place that is tough
to win there, but it works in reversed for them
in the playoffs. I don't know when the last time
they won a home playoff game. It's been since the

(02:13:56):
mid nineties. And so for all the things that are good,
about playing there. The anxiety makes it nerve rend for
the whole thing because you haven't one, dear. Yeah, so
it makes it very very difficult. It's a thing. There's
things that you can point to and say no, no,
but that is truly a thing right now. With the
Kansas City Chiefs, Heck, you saw it last year getting

(02:14:16):
out to a fast start against the Titans and then
just watching the the wheels come off as Derrick, Henry
and Crewe ran away with that wild card win. He's
Show here on Fox Sports Radio again at the midway
point with the Cowboys at Redskins at the half, Dallas
with the three point lead, Bears taking down the Lions
earlier today three to sixteen. If you want to reach

(02:14:37):
just on Twitter, get me at Dan Buyer. On Fox
you can find Bucky at Bucky Brooks. It's also where
you could find our Thanksgiving Day Draft, the Items that
you Can't live without. On Thanksgiving we did two rounds
with the crew, John Ramos, Eric Roberts, David Gascon, Bucky
and myself and some interesting selections and those rangers of
one to ten picks. You're gonna want to check it
out again on Twitter at Bucky Brooks and at Dan

(02:14:58):
Buyer on Fox. Coming up next, who is the bigger
disappointment in the NFL. We'll tell you next year on
Fox Sports Radio. Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours. I'm
Dan Buyer, He's Bucky Brooks. We appreciate you spending some
time with us on this Thanksgiving Day. Whether you're with
family or without, or maybe in between. I'm glad you

(02:15:19):
could join our Fox family. John Ramos, Eric Roberts, and
David Gascon here hanging out on this Thanksgiving Day. Second
half just underway Cowboys and Redskins, Dallas up ten to seven,
literally just underway, one play into the second half. No
Tyrant Smith for Dallas today. Dak Prescott has been sacked
four times by the Redskins defense. Who hanging in there
today against the Dallas Cowboys. Yeah. The Cowboys offensive line

(02:15:43):
has been up and down and they are more reputation
and production. Uh. Everyone can sit as his team to
have the best offensive line of football, but they're not
played like that. They haven't played like that all year.
It's been one of the biggest disappointments when you look
at your squad, because this is a team that was
built on their offensive line. They're running game and then
the defense and the offensive line has not been able

(02:16:05):
to get it done consistently, and so a lot of
criticism would go to Doc and he deserves some of it.
But man, it's hard to play quarterback when you're constantly
under harassment from the front line. It's funny because when
the Cowboys did have arguably the best offensive line in football,
it was Doug Free, Ronald Learry, Travis Frederick, Zack Martin,

(02:16:26):
and Tyron Smith. Doug Friese retired, Ronald Learry is in
Denver and injured, Travis Fredericks not playing, Tyren Smith's not playing,
So so what do we want to say, Dallas offensive line.
It's so easy to group, but then when you break
down the actual players that are as you said, yeah,
it's not even It's not the same man. Tyron Smith
is not the same player that he was a couple

(02:16:47):
of years ago. Injuries have changed his game. He's not
as powerful, he doesn't dominate the point of attack like
he used to. Uh lay All Collins has been a
guy that has been inserted into the lineup, and a
lot of what we have said about him stands from
the fact that he was expected to be a first
round pick. Uh. Crazy circumstances prior to the draft dropped
him down. But when they get him, we were quick

(02:17:08):
to say, hey man, this is a this is a
first round talent on that offensive line. And so they
just haven't played well. They've done some things. Davier so
a fellow has given them um kind of some steady,
consistent presidence inside because Connor Williams, their rookie out of
Texas second round pick, has struggled. But this team is
not the same with that offensive line, and so they

(02:17:30):
got to shore it up. There was an offensive line
in the NFL in that same division that we always
talked very highly of, and that's the Philadelphia Eagles. Jason Peters, Kelsey,
Lane Johnson. You've got You've got guys there that that
we know by name. And when you look at the
Eagles in the run even last year, Lane Johnson missed

(02:17:52):
time and then came back at the end of Jason
Peters was lost for the season, but Big V was
able to fill in UH for him, and yet he
had a lot of move been Jason Kelsey was still
like the main point of that point is just Philadelphia
had a good one of the best offensive lines in
the National Football League. Well, the Philadelphia Eagles are arguably
one of the biggest appointment disappointments we've got in the

(02:18:12):
National Football League this year. The other that I that
I would put in the category the Jacksonville Jaguars. Jaguars
three and seven Eagles sitting there at four and six.
Who's been a bigger disappointment in your mind amongst those
two teams. I think the Jacksonvin Jaguars have been a
bigger disappointment. And the reason they've been a huge disappointment.
We thought this team was ready to be Super Bowl caliber.

(02:18:36):
We thought this team was ready to really challenge some
of the heavyweights based on the ability to go to
the Championship Game last year, based on their early season
uh dismissal of the New England Page. We thought this
team was ready to go. And what you're seeing the
team is still trying to play around a quarterback who
was in a high level quarterback. The defense has not

(02:18:57):
played at the same level. And when you have so
many characters, so many volatile personalities, and I don't mean
volado in a bad way, but so many loud, high,
strong emotional personalities. Sometimes when things don't go well, it
kind of works to your detriment in the locker room.
And I think we've seen this team appear to be
fractured internally, just because if there appeals to be a

(02:19:19):
level of finger pointing and they just haven't played to
the standard and maybe they thought they could roll the
balls on they would automatically get back to the championship game.
They're learning that it's very, very hard to consistently be
a team because when the last team standing, I think
Jacksonville with the Super Bowl, I that sheet over there
just in the other room, like you see Jaguars against
the Saints, and and not looking at Jacksonville and we

(02:19:42):
knew about Blake Bortles and the limitations there. We also
they're there receiving corps. Was nothing that you would write
home about. You thought that Helan Cole last year maybe
at a breakthrough season, but it wasn't like they were
gonna be relying on their white outs. Marquis Lee, I know,
went out with the injury early on. I just thought
with the running game and with the defense, it's a

(02:20:03):
pretty good recipe. And they were. They were a half
of football away and in a score away from beating
the Patriots into England to go to the Super Bowl
last year, and I figured that momentum would carry over
the Eagles. I think it's we give them a pass
because they won. The Jaguars, we don't give a pass
because they didn't win. But also, Bucky, you're starting to

(02:20:23):
wonder now, and as we touched on earlier, for a
team looking into the future, you put the Houston Texans
in that conversation, I put the Indianapolis Colts. Now, I'm
just wondering, did the window already closed with Jacksonville. There's
a report last week that maybe they'd look to trade
Jalen Ramsey. Um, there's you know, Clay's Campbell is not
gonna play forever. There's there's pieces on that team that

(02:20:45):
you're like, Okay, this was thought to be the core
of the team, and now we may not even know
if there's a future in Jacksonville. That's concerning if you're
a Jaguars fan. And that's why you never can look
too far ahead in the future. You have to look
at teams in a year to your basis because every
team is different, and with his Jackson with Jaguars, with
all those young guys Telvin Smith and Miles jack and
Jasen Ramsey, A J. Boullier, Barry Church, that there's going

(02:21:08):
to be changed there. Kell As Campbell is older, Malik Jefferson,
Milick Jackson rather UM. At some point they'll have to
move on from him with that big contract. And so
can they get it done while the window is open?
I don't know. But the one thing that they have
to figure out what are they gonna do with Blake
Borders in the quarterback situation? Because if they don't have

(02:21:28):
enough confidence to throw the ball with Blake Bordles, you're
just not going to run rough shot over every team
that you face. For them to be a team that
UM won the final two teams in the a f C,
they have to get more consistent play from their quarterback.
Is he's still around because of how well liked he

(02:21:49):
was in the locker room? Because that's he's still around
because the general manager loves him. The general manager, Dave
Carlwill drafted him third overall. Didn't tell anybody, wasn't that
the big secret? Didn't even tell his wife that they
were going to take Blake Bortles. That was a big secret.
He took him third. Overall, he is locked in because
he drafted him to be the franchise quarterback and when
he has had some moments, has been enough to justify

(02:22:12):
either paying him or keeping him in as the QB one.
But at some point to be better. And I'm not
saying that you have to have an a level quarterback
to win it all, but you have to have enough
confidence in your quarterback, even if he's a game manager
that when there are times in the game we has
to make a play, that he can make those plays.
The the ability as well to whether you believe in

(02:22:33):
Blake Bortles or not to think that you can't put
somebody and no disrespect the Cody Kesler code. Kesler is
not going to challenge for the starting job to not
I mean when a Teddy Bridgewater is available, to look
at the seat. The Saints are the last team in
the National Football League that would need Teddy Bridgewater realistically.

(02:22:53):
I mean, they're Teason Hill is getting more snaps at
quarterback than Teddy Bridgewater is, but they see value. They
end up making a deal. Who knows what moves on.
For Jacksonville to not have the foresight to do, whether
it be in the draft, whether it be as a
backup or to someone to challenge, is just I mean,
it's almost smelled practice for for what they allowed to

(02:23:16):
happen to that. Yeah, like they didn't make it considered
effort to really upgrade the quarterback position, whether you bring
in competition for Blake Bortles or not, at some point
you need to make sure that the guy who has
taken snaps for you is a winner. The team believes
that that guy can win. They don't roll their eyes
when he is given the ball. And the thing that

(02:23:39):
the thing that makes it tough. You can't have a
quarterback who cannot play at a high level make it
more than some of the stars on your defense, which
is carrying the team. I think what happens then you
get a disconnect because for all the conversation you talked
about a we're gonna compete, everybody's job is up for grabs,
they look at borders in this and no, it's not

(02:24:01):
that's not true. What you're saying is not accurate, and
so you lose a little trust between your players and
your coaching staff. When you don't make those decisions. He's
Show on Fox Sports Radio. And is there such a
thing as too much football? Yes, that question will be
answered after David Gascon gives us the latest of what's

(02:24:22):
happening at a T and T stadium. Hello, David, that
is absurd, man. You're gonna find out if it's true
or not. So what we'll tell you in about I
like that tease. Well, guys, we got three games today
in the National Football League. One of them is in progress.
Cowboys on top of the Redskins ten to seven. Dallas
just punted and the Redskins returned it past the fifty
yard line. In fact, it looks like they're in said

(02:24:44):
the thirty ballgame is on Fox if you want to
head over there, it's in the third quarter. Meanwhile, Bears
and Lions earlier today from Detroit. Takes the snap here
and there he goes that he checks into the house
at the ten into touchdown after the second week in
a row, and he checks into the house up pick

(02:25:05):
six ball game was tight throughout on the Barris Radio network,
and they wanted twenty three to sixteen Chase Daniel seven
or thirty seven to thirty through the air too td
S no I n t s took care of the
football on the losing side, though Matthew Stafford through two
backbreaking I n T s. One of was that pick
six right there, and they also had one as Detroit
was driving late in the ball game. With about a

(02:25:26):
minute to play in the fourth quarter, and later on
tonight you get the Saints and Falcons from New Orleans.
Kickoff time is at eight twenty eastern New Orleans right
now and nine and won this season. Dropping down to
the college ranks. There's about four minutes to play in
some change right now in the fourth quarter, Air Force
leading Colorado State twenty to nineteen. Rams had missed a game,

(02:25:47):
tying p A T again an air Force has the football.
They're inside the five yardland of Colorado State with about
three forty three to play in that contest. College basketball
today Number four Virginia one over Dayton sixties six to
fifty nine, Number six Nevada one beating Tulsa nineties eighties six,
and number twenty five Wisconsin hammered Oklahoma to fifty eight

(02:26:08):
gentlemen back to you. Thank you very much. David. You
have Falcons Rams in college football. We have Falcons Saints tonight.
About that. Johnny Ramos knows all about the Air Force,
Colorado stadies, our Mountain West expert here at Fox Sports Radio,
but apparently John doesn't know much about Thanksgiving. David. This
is in response to a tweet. By the way, I'm

(02:26:29):
Dan Buyer. That's Bucky Brooks. David Gascon with the latest
as we welcome you back to the Fox Sports Radio studios,
brought to you by Geico. Mark Johnson tweets in that
when John took ham when he did in our Thanksgiving
Day Draft, it seemed like a reach. Mark said, taking
hamm at three was a reach. John took hamm At
to second overall pick, like this is this is this

(02:26:51):
Bucky called it. This is taking Trabisky over Mahomes and Watson. So, John,
anything you want to say to Mark Johnson who says, hey,
am was a reach. It's glazed. Oh you'll be reaching
for Hammon about ninety minutes waiting for it. Yes, just

(02:27:13):
taste so delicious. Okay. So, by the way, you can
see our Thanksgiving Day Draft again on Twitter at Dan
Buyer on Fox. Bucky called his Sweepotata castrole that went
number one overall a franchise player. We know Drew Brees
as a franchise player. Watching Drew Brees awesome. Great. I'd
love to watch the best do their work. But I've

(02:27:34):
got to be honest. When we started off the show
talking about Thanksgiving traditions and what you're used to growing up,
I'm used to football games, and I've got to say
throwing another one at us Bucky doesn't do too much
for me. I'm I love the Lions game, I love
the Cowboys game. But adding the third game, which has
been here since I think oh six was about the

(02:27:55):
time they started to play the third game, I'm fine,
you don't need to give me another another football game
on Thanksgiving Day. We're gonna get Friday, we're gonna get
on Saturday. Yeah. I just I almost think it's a
little too much by the National Football League thanksgiving us
too much. That's the whole point. You supposed to sit there.
You want to have so much football that you want

(02:28:16):
to unbutton the top button on your your jeans. You
want to be stuffed with football. That's what I want
I want. I want football to treat me the same
way that Thanksgiving dinner treats me. I wanted to put
me to sleep. I want to just gorge on it
where I just fall asleep on the couch with the
remote on my chest, watching the Saints and the Falcons.
So I'm okay with that. That's the issues I I

(02:28:38):
usually I actually would take a nap because gonna be
about five you're you're, you're, you're man that there's no naptime. There,
there's not enough time for naptime. The NFL did not
consider the nap on Thanksgiving Day when if they if
they pushed the game back a little bit, if they
pushed the game back from maybe an eight o'clock Eastern

(02:28:59):
start to maybe nine o'clock, then I could maybe understand it.
Then I could get it a little bit. Here's the
thing is, I've also said this, I like Thursday night football.
It makes it actually makes the week go quicker, something
to look forward to. I could do without the Sunday
night game. I've had enough of football from here on
the West Coast ten o'clock to four thirty. I don't

(02:29:21):
need to add another three hours of not getting stuff done.
I know you're I know, and this is West Coast
is great. See West Coast out here in l A
Sunday Funday is an all the affair. Like it's a
great deal. Sunday Funday you can start at ten o'clock
on the West Coast, you can start your day watching football,
eating breakfast food and if you consume an a dope

(02:29:43):
brevet beverage, that's on you at at at ten o'clock
before noon, like, if you want to have that with
your football, you can see that and then you can
finish off your night with football. It's not it doesn't
get better to that. I'd rather have the Monday day
night doubleheader that they do week I don't see. I
don't like that. Then I know it does, I know,

(02:30:06):
but I just I like it. In the six hour windows,
I like that. The the nine hour window is just
it's I know, it's it's day. College football is even
worse because the games take four hours and now you're
in a twelve hour window from nine am until nine pm.
For those on the East Coast, it's noon to midnight
of NonStop college football with no break and you're getting

(02:30:28):
the same amount of games. But see what you have
to do is what you have to start doing is
when the week starts, you have to figure out where's
my naptime coming. You have to figure out are the
games good in the one o'clock hour or the four
o'clock hour? Where can I steal an hour? Perfect example,

(02:30:49):
last week you have three games in the afternoon window. Raiders, Cardinals,
who cares? I could go right? Saints Eagles turned into
a fest. This was all s but allviously of the
Broncos going to l A and and playing this game
against the Charger. You wake up for that. It didn't
get excited to the fourth quarter. Well, I'm just saying,

(02:31:09):
but you can't. You can't set your time on the phone.
The you you sit down to watch Sts Eagles because
it's gonna be something to watch. Then by the end
of the first quarter of the first half, you're like,
all right, this isn't much to watch. Well, now you
can't get a nap in a full nap in. I'm
just saying that the I I understand Thanksgiving. I was
fine with it and growing up and having the Lions game,
in the Cowboys game and then some Thanksgiving special on

(02:31:33):
the network that just stays on the TV because nobody
bothered to change it for four hours, so you end
up watching that. It's just the The requirement on a
holiday is different. Plus, as I mentioned, there's department stores
that are opening at five o'clock local time. Here there's
department stores I guarantee on the East Coast right now
that have been opened for ninety minutes in advance of

(02:31:53):
Black Friday to get ready for all of the Christmas shopping.
Just saying the NFL trying to jam more games down
our throats. Just spread it out. That's why the Thursday
is nice, is there's a little taste here and a
little taste there. I just like it that way instead.
I don't know, I may be different, by the way.
More coming in on John's Ham choice at number two.

(02:32:15):
Good buddy, DJ Carlisle from the Great State of Virginia
on John's pick of Ham going second overall. Bucky said,
oh it went number two, all right. There was yes
that from d J. Carlyle on John's pick of Ham.
There has been This seemed to be a consensus on
one thing. Sweet Potato cast role number one was a

(02:32:36):
great pick and Ham number two just may have missed
the boat. John I it's what we've got so far. Sometimes, guys,
sometimes you have to live on the edge when you're
in the Ramo's camp. And that was the ham So Hey,
look I took stuffing in the second round. You got
good value, like you made up like stuffing is gonna
start for you for the next ten years. There's no

(02:32:58):
doubt about that. He's Bucky. I'm Dan Buyer. This is
the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio, and we've
got a touchdown in Arlington. Colt McCoy is just struck
paydirt with a touchdown pass Trey Quinn on the receiving end.
The Redskins have taken a lead on Dallas extra point
coming thirteen to ten, Redskins over the Cowboys. Nano two

(02:33:20):
left in the third quarter. We've got one more segment
left here on the Doug Gottlieb Show. He's Bucky Brooks.
I'm Dan Buyer. Find me on Twitter at Dan Buyer.
On Fox you can find Bucky on Twitter at Bucky Brooks.
Coming up next Falcons Saints tonight. Who really needs it
more that? Coming up here on Fox Sports Radio. He's
Bucky Brooks. I'm Dan Buyer. In for Doug Gottlieb here

(02:33:42):
on the Gottlieb Show. Took me a while, but I
still there. There's you probably have dealt with this, Bucky.
Do you think of this as I keep forgetting it?
Do you think of this is regulate when you hear
the beginning, because it was I keep forgetting, and then
it was regulate for about twenty years, and now I'm

(02:34:04):
actually back to keep forgetting. I know both of them.
I remember hearing it as a kid in the car
um as keep forgetting, I remember Regulators. Obviously I was
in college, so it works. It works with me either way.
Here's here's what I've come to realize in my ages.
I'm now in my forties. When I was in my

(02:34:25):
twenties in the thirties, I thought sampling was amazing and
that sampling was making songs better. And now that I'm forty,
I don't think that's the case anymore. I'm more about
the original than I am with the sampling. You more,
You more about the original? Yeah, yeah, Oh, we've got

(02:34:46):
a big play in Dallas. Isn't that why you traded
a first round pick for him? Right? Oh? Oh, he
has a celebration. Let's see where we got Amari Cooper
has just scored a touchdown as Dallas is retaking the
lead on Washington Redskins, by the way, most air extra
point to make it thirteen ten, And now Amari Cooper

(02:35:06):
is just done. He's just done a Mark el Folts
free throw. All right, we did rank him about three
hours ago. We had we we ranked different things in
the NFL in game time. But now we've gotten this.
For celebrations, we've got a Motown celebration. We've got calisthenics
those two from the Chicago Bears. We have now got

(02:35:28):
Ezekiel Elliott donating twenty one dollars to the Salvation Army Kettle,
and Amari Cooper now shooting a free throw for the
Dallas Cowboys. I think there was a lane violation by
the way. I think somebody entered too early. Did he
do the Foltz hot potato things? Yes he did. Yes.
I would rather have Amari Cooper than Mark L Folts

(02:35:48):
in my backcourt right now if I was the seventy sixers.
To be honest, if you're the seventy six and you're
saying right now, Cooper, ye, yeah, we're gonna put a
marey Coop airpoint guard Marko, We're gonna let you come
off the beaches. I do want to ask you about
Falcons and Saints. But before I get to that, even
though Amari Cooper is now scoring touchdown, six catches eighty

(02:36:12):
six yards to score today, is it is it? Is
it worth the first overall picks? I still don't think
no matter no matter what he does, I know that's
the price that you needed to bring him in. I
just don't think that the value is ever going to
match it. And he could, he could set the world

(02:36:32):
on fire for for the last six weeks of the season.
It's just very difficult for me to give up a
first round pick or a wide receiver. I think here,
here's why it was a good play for the Dallas
Cowboys on a couple of different levels. Um, there aren't
any first round receivers in this draft class. So if
they don't get a Marie Cooper at some point, they're
gonna have to address the wide receiver class, and the

(02:36:54):
wide receiver class isn't as strong as it had been
in other years. Secondly, a more Cooper's only twenty four
years old. He is the most productive player at that
age at wide receiver that we've had in sometimes in
the league. And so if I have an opportunity to
get a guy who is productive, he's young, he has
already been worthy of being a first round talent because

(02:37:16):
he was taking fourth overall, I'm willing to make that move.
People will say, like, yeah, but the first round pick.
Um to think about first round picks and the like
the fifty coin flips. We've seen a Mary Cooper play
at a Pro Bowl level twice in his career. He
obviously has the explosives that you want. I think for
Dallas they rated him over what could be available to them,

(02:37:37):
and I think they say to Mary, Cooper is a
better prospect and player than what we would get if
we waited to the next draft. Extra point was good.
Redskins now have the ball in the ensuing kickoff seventeen
thirteen Cowboys over the Redskins about six and a half
minutes to go in the third quarters. So tonight it's
Falcon Saints Saints almost a two touchdown favorite twelve and

(02:37:57):
a half. That is a crazy spread. I'm I'm not
a gambling man, but I would take that because most
NFL games are decided about seven and I know the
Saints have played great and there's a little kind of
hype behind him, especially after they dismissed the Eagles, but
be careful. This is a rivalry game, a game that
typically is close, and the Falcons have beaten the Saints

(02:38:18):
on numerous occasions. They've had interesting matchups as well, and
and over the last couple of years, the Falcons have
been the team that I've had the most difficult time
reading and getting a feel for. And last year I
actually give them credit. We just did it. Who's a
bigger disappointment? Eagles are Jaguars, And I gave the Eagles
kind of a past because of the Super Bowl hangover.

(02:38:39):
If anybody was to have a hangover last season, it
was the Atlanta Falcons from blowing the three league that
they had against the Patriots. Yet it only seemed to
take them eight weeks or nine weeks to get over
that hangover, because in the second half of the season
they were a team that was playing pretty good football.
And we're a play away from knocking off the Eagles
in that playoff run or Philadelphia ended up making it

(02:39:01):
to the Super Bowl. So now you gotta fill it
out or excuse me, an Atlanta team coming to New
Orleans tonight that you're still trying to you know this.
This team got beat by Dallas last week, they were
beaten Cleveland. If they went to Washington and took care
of the Redskins, It's a Falcons team that is up
and down. And it's almost to your point of with
the rivalry game with these teams being together, if it's

(02:39:23):
so much of a gap, you almost think that this
is a Falcons team that's gonna show up even with
their shorthandedness, if you will. Yeah, I think they show
up this week. I think to show it because there's
a level of urgency. The thing that you always have
to worry about in these games. Who is the team
that needs it the most? And when I say needed
the most, what is the urgency level that exists? And
this team knows they have to win to stay in

(02:39:43):
the race. I think you'll see a different level of
energy and intensity coming from the Atlanta Falcons tonight. How
much is the short week going to hurt them though
Withdrew Brees or is it because they know him enough
that I think I think it's advantageous in these games
because you know him, you play them teams don't change
that much. You have to adjust for some new plays
and some tricks, but you kind of know what the
DNA of these teams are. I think they'll be fine.

(02:40:05):
I think it's a short we obviously for the New
Orleans Saints too. This is a game that is a
personal game. A lot of energy would be expanded in
this game. Yeah. I want to see Matt Ryan, you know,
step up. Julio Jones has seen the end zone more.
Of course, me being the fantasy guy with the fantasy
show that that I do with my Carmen Sunday mornings,
we always try to focus on on that aspect of it.
Julio has been in the end zone a little bit
more than he was a season ago. But it's also

(02:40:26):
a big night for Matt Ryan because so much of
the spotlight's gonna be on Drew Brees and all of
a sudden, now you're gonna see, Okay, how big is
the gap between these two? So Matt Ryan. I think
Matt Ryan's gonna have a good night tonight against New Orleans,
which that defense is is opportunistic. Um well, the the
Falcons hopefully will be opportunistic against that Saints defense. For
Matt Ryan. Yeah, I mean I think I think the

(02:40:48):
Falcons have to find a way to generate some turnovers.
Drew Brees does a great job with his ball of security.
What the Falcons need they need to jump on the
Saints early and make them play from behind. So much
of the Saints success can be attributed to their ability
to jump out on you early and make you abandon
your game plan. If the Falcons can stay close early
and even play from a head, make the Saints play

(02:41:11):
a different game where they have to kind of chase Uphell,
that's the kind of game you want to play. That
is the recipe for upset Saints and Falcons. Tonight's in
New Orleans eight twenty Eastern time. The teams have given
the ball away just eight turnovers. They've given away two
opponents this year. They're tied for the best in the
National Football League. Alright, we got sixty seconds left on

(02:41:32):
this Thanksgiving Day, Bucky? What is going to be your
lasting image of Thanksgiving Day? For what we've seen today,
the choreographed celebrations from the Chicago Bears, they are the
best that I've seen. They're worthy worthy of what Academy award? Yeah,
that was it was good. Maybe a Grammy with the
with the Motown field that you've got. My biggest takeaway

(02:41:55):
Ham going number two in our Thanksgiving Day draft by
John Ramos. It's contra It's controversial on Twitter. Sweep Atata
castrole was fine, but Ham going above Turkey. I've worked
with John Ramos for almost ten years on on a
day to day basis. We talked. I never knew that

(02:42:15):
Ham was chosen over Turkey on Thanksgiving Day. The things
that you learned, He's Bucky Brooks, I'm Dan Buyer, Rob Parker,
Jonas Knocks coming up next year on Fox Sports Radio.
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