Tiger Vs Phil and Rivalry Week

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was just talking about the match Tiger versus Phil, but
you could say the match Dak and Amari from what
we got yesterday. But you really could say that as
the Dallas Cowboys are trending upwards in a big way.
We'll dive into that in about twenty minutes or so.
He is, Bucky Brooks. I'm Dan buyer in for Doug
Gottlieb on this Black Friday. So glad to have you

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with us. Thanksgiving was good for you last night, sitting
back Bucky after we did the show. I know we
both want our separate ways, but celebrating was good. Yeah,
it was good. It's great. And then got a chance
to cap off and run around Black Friday kind of
electronics and he purchases made nothing. I think I think
my kids think Black Friday is a holiday. Did they

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didn't go with you though, right? Or did they? Oh?
They go? He was out? I want this? I want that?
Was it crazy? Was it not so much? I think
everybody does it online? You know? Yeah that even it's
not even what he used to be near. Everyone just
goes to Amazon and Prime and orders this stuff and
gets to discount and all that stuff. Yeah, there were
cars on the road last night. I noticed in leaving

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my Thanksgiving festivities a little bit more than usual. But
stores were open last night. But as he said, online
seems to be the way to go. I hope the
people who went out shopping last night at least did
it after the Saints Falcons games, so they got their
full football feast on Thanksgiving Day. And that's where we're
going to start. Everybody loves to talk about Drew Brees

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and Sean Payton and the Saints, and we even did
yesterday Who's the best team in the NFL when we
did rank them in our game time segment. Last night,
to me, Bucky was not about the Saints at all.
It was about the Atlanta Falcons. And when you talk
about a team and you talk about an organization that
tries to shed a label. It is very difficult once

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you're once your pigeonholed. There's there's a lot of times
maybe if you start in a place at work and
you're an intern, you're always viewed as an intern, no
matter if you ended up working with that company for
twenty or thirty years, you're still the guy that started
in the mail room or still the guy that started here.
That's how you're you are viewed, even though maybe you've
moved up and you've done other things. And the Atlanta Falcons,

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in my mind, are the team that is always viewed
as the team that just doesn't get it done and
doesn't get it done time and time again. And I
thought last night, in a prime time spot where everybody
is watching against the team that some feel is the
best in the National Football League, take away that they
played with the New Orleans Saints, that they outgained the

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New Orleans Saints last night, take all that away, you
still come away with the Falcons team that lost by
multiple touchdowns. And and and I was still sitting there with
a four and seven record in the National Football League.
Everything that happened last night, Bucky reflected on what the
Atlanta Falcons and the label that they always are are
a team that can't get it done. And I thought

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it was in full force last night in the big easy. Yeah,
it was kind of in full force. Um, what is it?
Always a bride'emaid? Never a bride? Yes? I think for them.
I think for the Falcons. They blew several opportunities to
put points on the board. Uh, they mean they just imploded.
Matt Ryan had fumbles inside the ten yard line, had

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turnovers galore, Calvin Ridley had a turnover going in. Julio
Jones had a fumble. Uh. Just for a team that
is really really talented, in a team that typically plays
the right way, just too many self inflicted errors. And
so we have to give credit to the New Orleans
Saints for getting to win it, for being uh pretty
dominant and impressive. However, you just wonder if the Falcons

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could just take care of the ball, what kind of
game could we here? Because it looked like he was
shaping up to be an outstanding contest until their own
mistakes did The Falcons fans may point to, well, we're
so dinged up this year. Defense, Our back end is
is fifty percent of it is missing. We're losing. We
don't have we don't have Dion Jones here, DeVante Freeman

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has been out. But they even playing without those guys
for a majority of the season, and last night, Bucky,
even with those players there, maybe they get more of
a running game going. If DeVante Freeman's there, maybe the
back end makes a couple of plays against the no
name receivers that you've got with the Saints. But it
wasn't like Drew Brees was throwing the ball around the
lot ended up with a hundred and seventy one yards passing.

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There was a balanced attack for the Saints last night.
But you mentioned the three big plays that I think
are so key. The Matt Ryan fumble in the red
zone own, the Calvin Ridley fumbled near the go line,
even though the game was seemed to be out of reach,
and then the Julio Jones fumble near the end of
the first half. Those are the plays that you can't make.

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This was a team that we mentioned yesterday was tied
with the Saints the fewest giveaways in the National Football League,
and on the biggest stage, against your biggest rival, when
all eyes are on you, the Atlanta Falcons crumple and
that is what is It happened in Super Bowl fifty one.
It happened on fourth down last year in Philadelphia. It

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is a theme in the Atlanta Falcons cannot shake that.
And this is why Matt Ryan has the reputation that
he does. It's why Julio Jones has the reputation that
he does. I mean, you could Julio stats are so
like off the charts, but then we point to, well,
what about touchdowns and what about big plays here and
there we overshadow to catching the Super Bowl because they
lost the game. It just to me is last night

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and capsuled so much of what the Atlanta Falcons were about.
And it just shows how difficult it is to shake that.
And I don't even have an answer of how you
shake that. But this is gonna stick with those guys,
what seems like for the rest of their careers. Yes,
who'll stay with there for a long time. Uh. The
Atlanta Falcons are a team that obviously deserve to go
to deserve to win the Super Bowl. You can make

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that a mission neary three. It has several chances to
put the game away and didn't do it. And I
think for them, they won't be able to shed the
stigma until they win it. They are very much like
UH to a lesser degree, the Buffalo Bills in the
early nineties. They win the four straight Super Bowls, but
never got it done, and then that kind of always
stuck with them that they were perceived as chokers. I

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think for the Atlanta Falcons, until they go to the
big Game and win the big Game impressively or decisively,
they always will have a little bit of that hanging
with them in terms of this is a team that
can never get it done on the biggest and brightest days.
What is wrong? What what what is wrong with Matt Ryan?
What is wrong with Steve Sarkisi, and what is wrong
with the Falcons? What is there anything that we can

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point to that could be correct able to not have
situations like we saw last night. I mean, this is
a beat up football team. They have a ton of injuries.
They're really really hurt all over the place, particularly on defense.
They've had star players that have gone out and not
being able to contribute and play. And so when you
lose those kind of guys, that makes it very very
hard to overcome. UH. Steve Sarkies is still finding his

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way as a play caller. What I described what he
was going through last year is basically he's calling someone
else's playbook. That's like going to Spain and trying to
learn Spanish on the fly. That's what he was trying
to do because he wanted to learn what they had.
He wasn't going to make them change to fit him,
and so it's hard because you can't get your play

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calls in and out. I think he's improved a lot
this year. I can tell these more comfortable. I can
tell the way they operate and how smooth they've been.
They just haven't been as productive. And some of that
can be coaching, but a lot of that ends up
being players. And last year there was a theme that
the Atlanta Falcons coming out a halftime where the team
that you could take advantage of because the the halftime

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adjustments weren't being made, and you would see you would
see games last year where maybe the Falcons would have
a double digit lead going into the half and would
end up blowing a game to a team that had
no business being in the same ballpark is them and
they were growing paints there now. And Sarkisian has also
got a running game background and it was it seemed
to be different from what Kyle Shanahan did during his

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time there, that maybe it took time to adjust that.
I can maybe point to the injuries without your interior
offensive lineman, without losing the two guards that you did
for the season, to not have Davante Freeman there, I
can understand that. I mean, Matt Ryan was their leading
russier last night with sixteen yards. But it's the fun
I know he didn't know it. I mean, it's it's

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crazy to think that, Yeah, Matt Ryan was their leading
rusher last night. They knew what they were up against
with the Saints. The game plan of going forward on
fourth down, of being aggressive, of knowing what they were in,
all of that was stuff that we can be like,
all right, I'm on board with. I could totally get that.
But it's the the fumble on the the strip, sack
of Matt Ryan, and it goes back to the fumble

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of Calvin Ridley, and it goes back to the fumble
of Julio Jones. And that's why I just this Falcons
team is is they are who we thought they were,
and that it is so Denny Green because even when
it comes down to it. They don't shake that label,
and last night I just thought it was on on
full effect. And they've been a team that I've had
a difficult time figuring out the last couple of years

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and trying to figure out how good how bad this
team was. Even in the Super Bowl run, I thought
they were worse than what they were and Matt Ryan
ends up going to win the m v P. The
last time, it just seemed to be on on fold displace.
Is what does Matt Ryan have to do to get better?
Is it pocket awareness? Is it situation awareness? There's I mean,

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for early on in his career, we gave him a
nickname that really wasn't Apropos and Mattie Ice. And now
we're just including myself for sitting here criticizing everything that
he does. So it's been an interesting role, but it's
there away for him to change that narrative for for
who he is. Yeah, that's the only way he can
change it. Like all the other stuff doesn't matter. He
is very similar to Clayton Kershaw. Clayton Kershaw can't get

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up from up under the rock until he wins a
big game that kind of propels the Dodgers to win
it again into the trophy ground or the finals. I
think with Matt Ryan is the same thing. Everyone is
waiting for him to feel the confetti did confetti fall
alund on top of to win a big game, and
to be the guy that has really kind of this

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centerpiece with the guy that kind of made it happen.
Until he does those kind of things, it's gonna be
hard for many people to embrace him, ass the m
v P or anything. Well, these interesting comments from Arthur
Blank last night after the game. The Falcons owner is
saying that dan Quinn is not the problem and that
and and why I agree with that, And I'm not

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sure if you agree or disagree. I agree with that.
It's what he is not saying that the problem is
that may be the problem that that that it's If
it's not dan Quinn and the coaches, then it's got
to be the players. And again it goes down to
the players making plays. It always comes down to players,
just a players league, as a player's game, you have
to always understand that the players are the ones that

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decide the fate of the coaches. And when you think
about this situation, because it's a very very unique situation,
in terms of what he said endorsed. The coach just
has to figured out. But he's already endorsed the quarterback
because he's basically paid him, uh a king's ransom. And
so for the Falcons, I think this is unique because
they've had so many injuries. Get back to the bases,

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get back to drawing up um the players. Make sure
everything that you have, everything that you call within the
program is going to be utilized and everyone understands it.
And so for the Falcons, it's disappointing, but I think
this will actually prepare themsel help him prepare for run
in the playoffs, which could be interesting. If to get it,

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they maybe deserve it because I think it's the worst
logo in the league. I'm not a fan of the
Falcons logo. I'm a big uniform and a big end
zone guy, like with the Rose Bowl and the Super Bowl,
how the end zones are painted. I love helmets, Bucky,
and I understand that it's an it's a falcon with
its wings down that is making an F for the Falcons.

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And if you didn't know that that's what it's for,
there was a the modified version it is it looks
so clunky and big and awkward on the helmet. You
you could figure out a much better way to do
a Falcon's logo than what they've got. But I didn't
even pay attention to that being and yeah that never
that's whatever looks so in my error growing up, there

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were the Grits, the Grits, Blitz, that's what they're known for.
Buddy Curry and all those guys playing defense. They wore
the red uniforms, yes, with the red helmet, all of
that other stuff, great pain, glorious. I love that. I
don't know why they don't bring that back and make
that day uniforms. If I if I was running the Falcons,
our uniforms would be the red tops we were wearing

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a well, break out the blacks every now and then,
and then we have a nice white white uniform gray
pants that they've always won. I think the helmets can
be interchangeable sometimes I like the red sometimes like they
have a nice color scheme to really make your uniforms
really really pot like there's no reason why they're merchandizing.

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Gears shouldn't be at the top. You do so many
creative things, especially when you have a good team. Gerald
Riggs Steve Barkowski that look the Falcons look by the way,
and I know we're going a little long, but actually
told the story this week for people that may not know.
When the Falcons came into the NFL in the nineties sixties,
they had their color scheme match Georgia's color scheme. That's

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what they were trying to get the Georgia fans to
buy into the football team. But there's a there's a
twist of this and you've seen this when the Falcons
wear their old old throwbacks, there's a gold stripe randomly
on their helmet from the nineteen sixties. That was because
they also wanted the Georgia Tech fans to like the team,
so they combined the Georgia in Georgia Tech uniforms when

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they first came to the league, and that's where there
was a random gold stripe on that red helmet. They
ended up doing away with it ended up going of
more of a Georgia bulldog look. But that's how the
Falcons uniforms came about. Yeah, use that, you can feel
free to to use whatever. He's Bucky Brooks, I'm Dan Buyer.

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This is the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio.
Reach Bucky on Twitter at Bucky Brooks and I'm at
Dan Buyer on Fox. The matches underway, Phil and Tiger
playing at Shadow Creek in Las Vegas. We'll keep you
up to date with that. Ralph Iervan will give us
the latest as well. Plus well, the Dallas Cowboys got
a huge win last night against the Washington Redskins. Derek

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Carr was actually the biggest loser. Will tell you why
next here on Fox Sports Radio. Be sure to catch
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the I Heart Radio app. He's Bucky Brooks, I'm Dan Buyer.
Eyes everywhere, including in Iowa City, where the Hawkeyes just
took out Nebraska on a field goal with no time left,

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so Iowa survives. They were in the lead for much
of the game, Nebraska scored late. Eve ended up at
twenty eight apiece, so Scott frosts first season and Lincoln
ends with the record of four at eight while the
Hawkeyes will go bowling and now they've got to win
over Nebraska for the fourth straight year. We are also
keeping our eye on the match Tiger versus Phil, and
I was there Tuesday. Bucky, he's Bucky Brooks. I'm Dan Buyer.

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If I didn't tell you, find us on Twitter, I'm
at Dan Buyer on Foxy can get Bucky at Bucky Brooks.
But I was there for the press conference on Tuesday
where it was announced Phil Nicholson and Tiger Woods would
have two hundred thousand dollars of their own money on
the line on the first hole, Bill saying that he
needs to birdie the first hole otherwise Tiger wins two
d and dollars. Now does this intrigue like the nine

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million was supposed to bring something in? Do these side
bets intrigue you at all? Yeah, because I think that's relatable. However,
you play golf, have you get down with your buddies.
We all have done a little side bit and it
could be five dollars to in dollars, tween dollars, whatever
it is that kind of took, took with your fancy.
And so I think what this has done, it's kind
of brought everybody back into it because we all can relate,

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not with two d thousand, but we still can relate
put a little cash on each other. Yeah, yeah, and
this was this was kind of something that was set
up on Tuesday. You could tell that it was predetermined.
Phil was gonna say, I'm gonna put up a hundred
thousand Tigers says I'll double it. But it does get
our interest. Phil's got about a nine foot put and
shot link on the PGA Tour says he's got about
a forty six percent chance to make this put And

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now watching it and going through it, it is interesting.
It is appealing. Now Phil's got this pot and you're wondering,
all right, he can win the whole and two hundred
thousand dollars. It's this is kind of what this match
is all about, and now as we're seeing it play out,
it makes a little bit more sense. Unfortunately for Phil Money,

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the putt did not break, So Tiger Woods has got
a nice smile on his face as he has just
grabbed two hundred thousand dollars from Phil Mickelson, who did
not birdie the first hole in their match. For the
dollars remains all square because Tiger didn't even have the birdie.
Here's here's what's funny about this. But like, yeah, Tiger

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just had to part his It didn't matter what Tiger
was going to do. It was all on Phil's shoulders.
And that's how it was set up. And it's an
easy first hole. They had iron off the tee and
and had wedges and both put it to within about
ten feet. But Tiger is a guy who has always
had gamesmanship, and it's been well known that on t shots.

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For example, Bucky, if you and I were playing and
I hit first, that I would start to walk down
the fairway on your downswing. It's a bit of a
bit of a gamesmanship. It may not be the the
best sportsmanship, but it would be all right. It doesn't
seem like it's anything big, but as you're hitting, all
of a sudden, I would start walking. Tiger Woods stuck

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around on the first green after Phil's put. A lot
of times if guys missed the butt, the guys would
go to the next hole. Tiger just stood there with
his arms folded and watched Phil walk about thirty feet
when they finally got to him to see what he
would do, and Tiger had a big smile on his face.
So the match all squared, but the first side bet

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goes in favor of Tiger Woods, as Phil Nicholson did
not make birdie on that first hole, he has Bucky Brooks.
I'm Dan buyer. Yesterday's Thanksgiving Day games Bears and Lions
took a little while to get exciting. We were on
the air during the game and there were the Bear
celebrations that really got us going. Cowboys and Redskins ended
up turning into an interesting affair, and really in the

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third quarter, Washington ends up taking the lead and you're like, Wow,
maybe maybe Dallas is in trouble. And by the way,
that was the Dallas team that I was talking about yesterday,
the one that was trailing in the third quarter. But
the Dallas team that has appeared the last two weeks
ended up showing up in that third quarter yesterday. Amari
Cooper the breakout game. Eight receptions, one hundred and eighty yards,

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two touchdowns, Dak Prescott two hundred eighty nine yards in
the era quarterback rating of one one point six. I
I mean, I know they're making an effort to get
him the football, but it is you couldn't have asked
for a better scenario. If you're Jerry Jones, Jason Garrett
or Dak Prescott the Dallas Cowboys with a Mark Cooper. Yeah,
everything is working out for them. Uh. Mary Cooper has

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come in and being exactly what they needed. They needed
a true number one receiver, guy that could be the
primary weapon in the past game, the guy that they
could be able to passing game around and it would
allow everyone else to kind of play their respective roles.
He has come in and has been exactly that. Last
couple of weeks, you've seen him make more plays. He's
been a guy that Dak has increasingly leaned on. Had

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a huge game obviously against Watchington Redskins. And when you
begin to get plays in the passing game, it loosens
up the box for the running game. And so Jerry
Jones made a hot take comment earlier this week when
he said that a Marie Cooper will do for he
would do to Zeke Elliott what Michael Irvin did for

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Emmett Smith. And a lot of people are like, oh
my god, are you you are you comparing him to
Michael Irvin, And I think what he was really doing
was saying, like, look, you need someone on the outside
that can lift the coverage, that can keep the extra
defend out of the box. So now Zeke can run
and in essence, that's what Michael Irvine used to do
for the Cowboys back in the day. Troy Aikman with
Thor to Irvin, they catch a couple of passes early,

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loosening it up and m Smith would run it late.
And what we're seeing from the Cowboys now, Ezekiel Ell
is beginning to turn out big games. Mariy Cooper is
doing it. Dak Prescott's completion percentage continues to go up,
and it's all because they now have a real playmaker
on the outside. Now do you think it was a
coincidence that we had never heard any of those comments

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when it came to des Bryant's Because this is what
popped into my head yesterday, was that, man, Dez Bryant's
gotta be like, man, you know this this stupid of
Marie Cooper. Why is this working? And I'm looking at
Derek Carr in Oakland. I mean, we criticized Dak so
much so for his arm in the passing game and

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that's not this quarterback, And all of a sudden we
see him make a connection which never talked about the
connections that he had with Jason Whittner, Cole Beasley in
other years because he seemed to have a report with
that those guys. But now Derek Carr without a Marii
Cooper in Oakland, you're wondering maybe why things didn't work out.
So I'm just sitting at home watching the game, thinking, Wow,

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Des Bryant and Derek Carr cannot be happy or at
least not feel good about themselves seeing what a Mark
Cooper is doing with Dak Prescott. Yeah, I don't. I mean,
I don't think is has all been out of shape
about it. Um. I think the difference is like Des
bryan is an older player and then he doesn't have
the explosions when he was a young player of Mark
Cooper's age. She can make those plays, he can't do
it anymore. UM. I think for Derek Carr, I think

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this kind of puts the spotlight on him. Asked to
what is really going on in Oakland? Um, you know,
Mary Cooper was a non factor the last two years,
and everyone has made every excuse, uh for Derek Carr.
But Derek Carr has to be responsible for some of this,
because I mean, why else, Like the guy's gone to
Dallas and being very productive, beneffective, has been a playmaker,

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but he couldn't get do it and oaks in the
last two years. There's something not right about that. And
so if anything, I think it ramps up the pressure
on Derek Carr because in essence, what John Gruten did,
he basically picked Derek Carr over Khalil Mack and Mary
Cooper in terms of who is the franchise player. When
that that Derek Carr is the franchise player, the franchise

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doesn't look very good without the other weapons that they
had employ Ace and so I think it only escalates
what is going to be a very very tense and
tumutuus offseason and open. If they would have made Derek
Carr available for trade with teams have have reached out.
What is Does he have enough of a reputation around
the league that other teams would would like him as

(23:17):
their quarterback? Yeah, I mean I think people would definitely
offer up some stuff. But I think the more he
plays this year, the scary he gets in terms of
what you're seeing. He is a guy that has not
played well. Um, the more the pressure gets around him,
he looks more jittery. He doesn't look as calm composed,
doesn't look as poison in the pocket, and that's an issue.
Your quarterback has to be the calm guy because it's

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always chaotic and crazy around him. The great quarterbacks are
able to slow everything down and steell make plays. Their
car hasn't done it. The other thing that has kind
of shown up. He doesn't really push the ball down
the field like the ball is out first read or
he's throwing it out of bounds. And your quarterbacks have
to be able to hang in there a little long.
You don't want to hold onto the ball obviously too
long to take sex, but you kind of wanted to

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play to fully bake. You want to see it fully
play out before you give up on the play. Quarterback
coaches and tell you want to exhaust to play, exhaust
all the options one, two, three, four. I went through
all my progress and nothing there Now my thought out
of bounce, Derek Carr's not doing that. I always thought
too that Derek Carr's favorite target in Oakland when he
was there was Michael Crabtree and that and that, and

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so you can say what you want about Derek Carr
and Marii Cooper. It wasn't that Derek Carr was so
bad that he couldn't get it to anybody. It was
that he just wasn't on the same page as a
Mari Cooper, that that that he had a comfort level
with Michael Crabtree, veteran receiver who was a first round pick,
just happened to be years and years ago. And that

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tells me something. And that's why yesterday I thought was
such a big boost for Dak. And it's just the
opposite with Derek Carr, because you're like, why don't you
have this report with the guy who was the fourth
overall pick coming out of Alabama, was thought to be
the big play guy. And all of the criticisms that
we've had of Dak Prescott now seem to have gone away.

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Not only was Amari Cooper good, Michael Gallup has gotten better.
Still a rapport with with Cole Beasley. That's where your
targets are going, Zeke Galliott out of the backfield. You're
getting the football to the guys that you should be
getting the football too, and that's all you want from
Dak Prescott. And while everything is going well for him,
I just think it doubled down and negative for Derek Carr. Yeah,

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I mean I think they did double down on it
because everyone is looking at him. He's tied to He's
tied to the coach forever. But as much persons on
Derek Carr, more persons even on John Gruden, because now
you can have all these picks, but these picks will
always be measured against what we've seen and what we're
seeing right now from Khalil Mack and Amari Cooper. And
as long as those guys play at a Pro Bowl level,

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no matter what he brings the return, he's gonna falls
short because it's just hard to draft Pro Bowl players.
He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Dan Buyer. This is the Dog
Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Coming up next, our
old faces and new places really worth working out? Are
they really going to work out? That's the question that
we answer next. But first, Ralph Irvan is here to

(26:13):
give us the latest of what's happening on a busy
day in college hoops and on the golf course. Hello Ralph, Hello,
and it is already a busy day in college football.
One top twenty five game in the books, Number four teen,
Texas seventeen winner over Kansas the Longhorns. Well, they advanced
now to the Big twelve Championship game, where they will

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take on the winner of tonight's number six Oklahoma number
thirteen West Virginia matchups. So already an advancement for Tom
Herman's program, and in the NBA one final is already
in as Minnesota went to Brooklyn and beat the Nets
one twelve one O two Derrick Rose twenty five points
off the bench. Coming up in just mere minutes, Memphis

(26:54):
will be onto the court taking on the Clippers on
the college hardwood. Number four Virginia a slim lead over
number twenty five Wisconsin two minutes to play in that game. Meanwhile,
number twenty four Perdue all over Robert Morris thirty seven, five,
five and a half to play there in perdues win.

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Because it's gonna be a Perdue winless series. Here, Bill's
head coach Sean McDermott, he's gonna go with Josh Allen
as a starting quarterback. That with no bad news coming
out of today's Prague practice, so Allen's gonna go against
the Jacksonville Jaguars. Joe Flacca will not be playing this
week as Baltimore takes on Oakland that according to John Harbaugh,

(27:36):
he's gonna go with Lamar Jackson once again. Am Sam
Donald officially out for Sunday's Jets matchup with New England.
Donald has been missing time with a foot injury. Tom
Brady did not practice today in Foxborough. He's got well,
he's got knees of a forty year old. So that's
that's gonna happen. And at the match, while they're on
the second hole, still all square and both players miss

(28:00):
the greens on their second shots. Thank you, Thank you
very much. Ralph. This is that I got leave show
on Fox Sports Radio. He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Dan Buyer.
Keep you up to date of what's happening with Tiger
and Phil in Las Vegas. Of course, Phil lost two
hundred thousand dollars on the first hole, saying that he
would verdie it. He did not missed about a nine
foot But so Tiger pockets two hundred thousand dollars from Phil.

(28:20):
That's not a part of the purse that was set out,
the nine million dollars that's separate. That's these guys money.
That money also going on these side bets going to charity.
We saw Texas go to Kansas and beat the Jayhawks seventeen.
The less Miles era is gonna work in Kansas and
now in the NFL, we talked so much on how
teams are looking for the young, hot assistant who can

(28:44):
out scheme everyone and can out imagine all defensive coordinators
and come up with game plans that we had never
seen before. And it's basically the Sean McVeigh effect, if
you will, or at least that's what we tend to believe.
Bucky earlier this week talked about a lot of the
stuff that the Rams do maybe isn't as unique to
the NFL as we may want to make a team.

(29:06):
But in college football, I'm curious on your take with
less miles being, if you will, in old face going
to a new place in Kansas, is that a situation
that you think could be successful for the Jayhawks? Well,
I think it can be very, very successful. You're talking
about hiring a coach that in sixteen years has won
over his games. Uh, He's been a fifteen Bowl games.

(29:30):
He has a nine and six record in those games,
and he is used to playing in a big stage.
He's a guy who's also very familiar with the conference
because he started out at Oklahoma State as a head
coach for four years before he went to l s U. Now,
obviously this this conference has changed a lot, style of
players changed, But I think what he's going to do
is what Kansas absolutely needs. They will be counterculture, meaning

(29:53):
when everyone else is thrown around the yard, they're gonna
try and run the football they I'm trying to be physical.
He's gonna trying to build it around their defensive. We
saw today their defense actually played pretty well in this
contest against Texas. Now it's just a matter of them
continue to build upon what they've just played. Um. I
think he's gonna do a bang up job in recruiting.
He has some in rows. He knows what kind of

(30:15):
kids are needed to play at the championship level. I
can't wait to see what less Miles does it. They've
got a pretty good running back in Pluca Williams two
and Kansas that that can do something well. Kids buy
in is this is is less Miles still able to
be the salesman that that we that we we saw
him to be, the guy who likes to chew grass

(30:36):
on the sidelines, the mad Hatter, all of that. Our
kids still able to buy into that, even though he's
been away from the game for a couple of seasons. Yeah,
now that's that's the trick and one. Now I think
they still can buy in because I think the one
thing that he can do is he can do something
that's very, very similar to what Coach K can do.
Kachchevski has been able to do. Coach K has been
able to seal the one and done players. On the

(30:59):
fact that he's been on Lebron, He's been around Kobe,
He's been around Dwyane Wade. You know exactly what is
needed to play at the next level. Well, less Miles
has been around the hottest star in football in Odell
Beckham Jr. He's been around the second hottest and Jarvis Landry.
His ability to be around those guys and tell those
stories like, hey, when Odell was with us at l

(31:21):
s U, this is how he did it. We can
bring in those players were comfortable with those things. That
will be his biggest selling point. The number pros they
went from L s U to the National Football League.
Then you're trying and find a way to tie it
all in two Ku and make your work but I
don't think it would be an issue. I think he
certainly would do a good job there. There aren't tons

(31:42):
of places that you can go in a Power five
school where you'd want. I wouldn't want to rebuild in
the SEC tell you that much. If you want to
take over, you know, to take over a lesser program
and try to build that up. Especially to where he
was with L s U in that same conference, that
didn't seem to be a fit. I don't know if
building up in the A c C is that intriguing.

(32:03):
You got Clemson who seems so far ahead of everyone else,
you're gonna have a schedule that is gonna have notre
dame on it. Whether that's a less or negative, the
point being, I think that there's hay to be made
in the Big twelve. I think you could also see
it if there was a resurrection spot in the Packed twelve.
There are a lot of a lot of coaching changes recently,
so jobs wouldn't be open. But when you really look
at the college landscape and where less Miles would go,

(32:26):
I'm not sure that there were as many options that
would need someone like him. This seems to be a
situation that that it works, and it's one of those
things that will find when we get into the NFL
hiring cycle, everybody thinks they wanted the next Sean McVeigh
and then they start interview and people are like, I
don't know, you know, and that leaves you a different route.

(32:47):
I am sure most teams wanted an offensive architect as
their head coach, but there aren't many guys out there
with proven trek records of success. So for less less
look like the guy who was always he was a
punching bag of all L s U jokes because it
was easy to kind of talk about him. He was funny,
he didn't take himself necessarily too seriously. So it worked out.

(33:11):
But he had to get this KU job because he's
been looking at it for a while and if it
finally came open and he jumped in, he's Buckey Brooks.
I'm Dan Buyer. This is the Doug Gottlib Show on
Fox Sports Radio, by the way, with the Texas victory,
and they're going to go to the Big Twelve Championship game.
They'll face the winner of tonight's West Virginia, Oklahoma game
for the right to play for the Big Twelve. Title games.

(33:32):
So Texas waiting in the wings for either the Mountaineers,
who they played a good one against a couple of
weeks ago, or the Sooners, who they played a good
one last month against at the Great State Fairiff Texas
and the Red River rivalry. You can always reach us
on Twitter. Get Bucky on Twitter at Bucky Brooks. I'm
at Dan Buyer on Fox. There's one college football team

(33:54):
that with the loss, could still make the college football Playoff,
and we're not talking about Alabama. Will explain next year
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of what's happening with the match Tiger versus Phil. Fill

(34:19):
up early on Tiger, but Tiger also has two hundred
thousand dollars in his pocket from a side bed on
the first hole. Keep you up to date on that
and also what's happening around college football and college basketball.
As Bucky's North Carolina tar Heels are set to take
on u c l A coming up at the top
of the hour. That game is going to be on Fox.

(34:40):
That's a game in Vegas as well, So Vegas seems
to be the place to be on this Thanksgiving Day weekend. Yeah,
pretty exciting. Now I'm a little disappointed because Taris went
down to Texas last night. But they're playing a u
c l A team that is pretty good. This should
be a good matchup for them. Both teams have some
young dudes that are exciting. I'm k'm excited abou. Bucky

(35:01):
Brooks is a big North Carolina fan because that's where
he went to school. Ralph Irvin went to u c
l A, and Ralph now joins us for a game.
This is game time side on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Hello Ralph, Hello, ha alright, are you getting ready for
this this hoops game as well? Are you down with

(35:23):
the the Bruins coming up at the top of the
hour after they got blown out by Michigan State last time.
It's the consolation third place game at the Las Vegas Invitation.
Congratulations you get to beat get beat by North Carolina.
There it is there, it is. We are playing. Uh,
we are playing a game. As it is game time
here at the Doug gottlieb show what game are we

(35:44):
playing today? Psychic? Oh, all right, psychic, Now, Bucky. This
is where we get to look into the future and
we get to see things that are going to happen
before they even happen. Alright, you ready for this? All right, Ralph?
What we got? Well, we're gonna go a day into
the future and tell me what happens at Ohio State

(36:06):
after a blowout loss to Michigan. Oh jeez, Okay, if
it happens to be a blowout loss to Michigan. I say,
if they get blown out, there is still a decent
chance that they could play in the Rose Bowl. And
then you wonder if that would be the opportunity. If

(36:28):
they were to play in a Rose Bowl and win
that maybe urban Meyer would want to step aside. I
will say this, I think urban Meyer stays at Ohio
State and coaches next season. What do you see who
your crystal balls ball? Many blow they can get blown
out by Michigan day. Wow, that's a tough one. I

(36:48):
think if he goes down like that, Urban my absolutely
with stay at Ohio State for at least next year,
maybe beyond uh they'll go to a big bowl game.
And you will see him pull out all the stops
to make sure they get back on track because for
whatever reason, Ohio State was a little off this year.
I think if they lose to Michigan in a way
that is embarrassing, I think he goes to the bottom

(37:12):
and brings him back, wants to stick around, And yeah,
I I foresee that as well. In our crystal ball,
let's up, there isn't a blowout yet tomorrow. Let's let's
hope that there's a Buckeye win. That's just me saying that.
But all right, what have you got for number two?
All right? This is another what if? But what if
no one offers Levy on bella max contract? How is
he going to respond? Uh? Interesting? So essentially he could

(37:36):
go back to Pittsburgh and other words, yeah, and Pittsburgh
does have the option to he actually use the transition
tag on him, and then there could be other ways.
But the transition take it wouldn't be worth what the
franchise take is. But I would think that if he
got a similar deal from another team than the one
that he passed on, I think he has to take

(37:57):
it because at some point you can't just not play anymore.
You at least have to make the money while you
are playing, right, Yeah, I mean, I think he'll eventually
take a deal. I think the big thing with him
is he didn't like the structure of the Pittsburgh contract
because there still is in the packs of the only
organization where they don't do rolling guarantees. So the only
money that was guaranteed was just the first year, and

(38:19):
that was the biggest contention between his camp and the Stillers.
Distillers won't move off of that because that's tradition his
guys wanted. So I think he will get a max contract.
He's gonna get a bunch of money from an outside squad,
and I think everybody will be happy that it's all
sitting done. Do you know what squad? Maybe? Uh? Well,
I think the New Year Jets could be a team

(38:41):
that is of serious interest. Also think the Houston Texas
would be another team that would make some sense that
would be interesting. Don't forget Tampa Tampa Bay No State
tax I. I also said the Raiders, but I just
because I'm like, they're they're the Raid. That's what I've
said since last year. It just seemed like, I mean,
they certainly can make sense too, because they they don't
have a running back because Marshawn won't be there. They

(39:03):
have Doug More and they can move on from him,
and now you'd have a face of your franchise when
you go to Las Vegas. The only thing they don't
have any cash. They're strapped for cash because what happens
is when you signed got to a big deal, all
the money that's guaranteed has to go in escrow. And
if you don't have big bank, you can't do it
big bank. That's a song by y g as Well. Yeah, alright, Ralph,

(39:28):
what do you god for? Psychic number three? Alright, riddle
me this psychics. How does Clemson not make the College
Football Playoff? They lose their next two, they can lose
one of the next two and still make it. I
think they can't lose the South Carolina. They lose South
Carolina this weekend. I think that would be done so
over there. Oh interesting, South Carolina can't lose South Carolina.

(39:52):
The point being is they've got a road win at
Texas A and M, which is one of the better
road wins that you're going to get in college football.
It's better than than anything that for a nonconference. Obviously,
any think better than Alabama's got anything better than Michigan,
Scott Michigan's nonconference. The flagpole is lost to Notre Dame,
so at least they would have that. I think their

(40:14):
schedule is a little bit better. I still think that
they could lose a game and get into the playoff. Yeah,
I know you think I'm crazy. One more elf, What
do we got? Multiple choice? Manny Machado is gonna sign
with the team. Will it be a contender, a possible contender,
or a team just with a big paycheck. Yeah, the
more commas, the more likely he is likely to go.

(40:35):
That's where. Look, he was on a contender and he
didn't want to hustle. All he wants is the cash. No,
he's just going Johnny Hustle to the bank account. Is
game time on the duck, got leave show. What would
be great is if he changed his name to Johnny Hustle,
just like the guy at the election in California that

(40:58):
it changed his middle name to lower taxes, so it
appeared that on the on the ballot is the goat
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(41:22):
Tom Brady is illness. Not practicing today for the New
England Patriots in advance of their game against the Jets.
The Jets have already ruled out Sam Donald for the
week twelve matchup. Just an interesting side note, Patriots should
get Rob Gronkowski back returning from injury. They've been dinged up.
Not only has he been hurt, Sony Michelle has been injured.

(41:44):
There's been a lot going on in New England. But
the machine keeps on rolling. But it's not as easy
of a time as it has been over the maybe
the last couple of seasons. When you look at the
rest of the a f C bucket. We know how
good Kansas City is, we know how good Pittsburgh is
in the Houston Texans are there. But if let's just say,
you know, Tom Brady was having a knee injury, Let's

(42:07):
just say something went wrong and he needed to to
sit out a game, hypothetically, not just saying with the Jets,
are they as well prepared to Obviously you want Tom
Brady there, But are they are good enough team to
be able to say, like, you know what, it's the Jets,
let's just have Brian Hoyer play this game. Is New
England good enough to do something like that talent was?

(42:28):
I wouldn't say they're necessarily good enough, but I think
their coaches would find a way to put them in
a position to win games. You will see them playing
a different style, you may see them lean on the
running game a little more, do some different things. But uh,
the one thing that we ti that we should be
able to hang our head on it Bill Belichick is
always gonna have his team prepared. He's always gonna have
a pretty solid game plan, and he is going to

(42:49):
make the opponent have to work to beat them. And
that's something that they've always done with it without Tom Brady.
Why I've always you know, heard this and I think,
actually I did the show with you a few months ago.
You may have put this in my head that when
you're looking at coaches and you're looking at seasons, that
the Patriots always kind of start each season as a
new season where Bill Belichick will just go through basically

(43:12):
fundamentals that you would do. Why why is it difficult?
And we even talked yesterday about the trickle down effect
of the coaching tree, and and is this working? Is
this not working? When we were talking about Man Patricia
and how difficult it is to to replicate that, why
why does it work for him? And and why isn't

(43:34):
Why aren't there other copycats in the league since everybody's
trying to copycat, Sean McVeigh. Why can't anybody copycat what
Bill Belichick is doing? No one can necessarily do it
better than the originator. Um. He is the one who
came up with the system. He has a clear plan
for how he wants to wants it to go about. Um.
He is structured, he's organized, he's detailed. He has tremendous discipline.

(43:56):
He requires a level of accountability from his coaches and
the players that are that exceeds what others may ask
if their players and coaches. UM. In terms of thinking
about everything, Man, he leaves no stone untermed. When you
hear about their practices and what they do. From a
situational football standpoint, it's legendary. I think the reason why

(44:18):
people haven't been able to copy and do it is
because no one is willing to go to the the extra mob.
I have asked multiple coaches about that and they've all
told me, like, look, man, they just go over situational football.
They do it from day one to the end of
the season. They go through all the scenarios. I was like, well,
if everyone knows that they do it, why didn't everybody
do it? They're like, man, because it makes you exhausted

(44:41):
to try and do all this stuff. They're not willing
to do and go where the Patriots will go to
win at a high level. That's why they win. They
outwork the competition. Everybody in their building is geared to
outwork whoever it is you have in your building. That's
why they win. Is that is that a Is it?
Is it a coaches out working thing? Is it a

(45:03):
to get the players to outwork, Like, hey, you gotta
stay in the practice field and extra thirty minutes to
do this? Where where I mean? I hate that? Is it?
Is it this? Or is it both? But is it's
a little bit of both. It's a little bit. They
demand a lot of you. And so one of the
things that the Patriots have always done when it comes
to sacrificing. They will sacrifice athleticism for intelligence. So when

(45:30):
you look at their players and the players that they
are acquired, they may not be the most skilled or gifted,
but most are very high i Q guys, meaning uh,
they've gone to college. College. They typically have the most
college graduates on the squad. That's kind of one of
their things because they feel like if you graduate, there
are a couple of different things that you can check
the box on in terms of your intelligence, your goal setting,

(45:52):
being able to finish and focus. And then you know,
because they sacrifice athleticism over que they put a lot
on you as a player, a lot of checks, a
lot of um things that may change based on the
opponent's formation or whatever. So your antenna always has to
be up and so to make sure that your intent

(46:14):
is also up. He's the type of guy that if
he came in here right now, he would have a
pop quiz and he would ask you, all right, Dan,
third and twelve Jets have the ball on the forty?
What's their pet play? Who did they like to go
to do? Sam Donald preferred to throw to his right
or to his left. If Sam Donald moves, which way
does he is he more likely to throw IS's gonna

(46:36):
throw it short, he's gonna throw it deep when you
throw it outside the numbers, inside the number, like very
very specific. And so most coaches won't do that. Most
coaches won't go to that level of detail when it
comes to preparing and they won't demand the same kind
of stuff of their players. And so when that train
has been rolling and rolling like the way that has
been doing in New England since oh one, they have

(47:00):
a lot of guys who have seen the success, so
they buy in. Now. It may not be the most
pleasant place, it's not a lot of love and affection
and all that, but their thing is we win. When
you win, winning cures all and so that's that's the difference. Now,
now that you said that, I'm wondering, did Malcolm Butler fail?
Is pretty super Bowl quiz like is that? Like? Could

(47:20):
that have been something? I mean, it could be it
could it could be anything like like Malcolm Butler. If
you take Malcolm Butler at his own words or or
some of the words that came out of it, they
said he didn't practice world that week. And so for
the Patriots, like when you're a high school coach, say
stuff like that, like, Okay, yeah, we took the Johnny
because he didn't he he didn't practice. But normally you
don't hear NFL players NFL coaches say, hey, man, he

(47:42):
did practice. Well, so he's not playing practice like like exam.
But yes, but but normally you don't do that. But
I think their success is he treats all fifty three
guys the same, whether you're Tom Brady, whether you're the
guy in the practice squad, the love of accountability is
the same. He will get on Tom Brady, he will

(48:03):
coach him hard, he will uh put his bad plays
on film and point him out, just like you point
out everybody else. And when you do that, people will respond.
And so, um, I think that's the thing, Like the
accountability thing has been that. But the reason it worked
for him, that's who he is. The reason it may
not work for other guys is because they're trying to

(48:25):
be Bill as opposed to being Matt Patricia, Josh McDaniels,
Eric Mangini and all those other things. If you do
it when you're comfortable in your own skin, the players
are by because they know, Okay, that's who he is,
that's hey. They may not like it, but they's all right, Yeah.
I host the Fantasy Football show on this network Sunday mornings,
by the way, nine o'clock Eastern time, if you want

(48:46):
to join us this Sunday, myself and Mike Harmon. But
the Patriots have always spent that difficult specifically with their
running back situation. But I always, I always hang my
hat on something that I heard when n Watson was
there years and years ago, and Ben Watson made the comment,
and I'll just use him for an example. He may

(49:07):
have come off of a game where he had seven
catches for yards in a touchdown thirty one other teams
across the NFL, in thousands upon thousands of fantasy football
players would be like, sweet, Ben Watson is finally on track.
Let's get him the football, let's roll with him. And
Ben Watson made the comment of the next week, he

(49:28):
wasn't even in the game plan to catch any passes
like there were there was, There was nothing to that,
And that's and that's to your point of of maybe
going that extra mile or dealing with each week as
it is, or dealing with each practice where it didn't
matter what happened in weeks seven or what worked in
week seven. They were onto week eight. So when you
say you're onnest sense and it was he was like,

(49:50):
there wasn't anything in the game plan for me to
catch you know that week. I've been told by former
Patriots every game plan as a snow flake. They're no
duplicate game players. What you do in week four, there's
no carry over two week five. We will do whatever
we need to do in this week to win the game,

(50:12):
and when that game is over, we'll completely look at
what we need to do to win the next week,
and that's what we'll do. And that is uncommon because
for most coaches, you have a style of play that
you're comfortable with, you have a playbook that you know
all the ins and outs. You don't have the depth
to be like, hey, this week we can play with

(50:32):
this noe. Next week we're playing differently. And that is
why I went earlier. I talked about day require high
i Q guys, because too completely go away from something
that you did one week to go and learn a
completely different offense or defense that week. Man, it takes
a high level of aptitude to be able to get it,

(50:52):
and most people can't get it, which is why You've
seen a lot of guys who are successful other places
not work there. But you've also seen guys who are
nothing at other places go to New England. And it
works because what Belichick will also do is he will
find the one thing that you do well and he'll
only ask you to do that. So whatever that one

(51:14):
thing is, Dan here, he won't ask you to run
deep if you're not a deep guy. If you only
can run a curl route. When they call a curl, Dan,
get in and run the curl. If they call a
post anything else, somebody else is going in to run.
And so that is a beauty. The role specificity of
what they do is so it is. It is just remarkable.

(51:34):
But I don't know if everyone has the bandwidth to
be able to copy that and do that. That's that's
why it's so hard for their assistance. That's interesting that
you use that example because we all think it's fitting
within the patriot way, like you've got to be a patriot,
But being a patriot isn't doing something uh a specific way.

(51:55):
So everybody does it the same way. I guess it's
just doing what you do best. In that scenario is
he'll identify what you do really well, he'll ask you
to do that. In terms of being a patriot, being
a patriot means you're based on what I'm been to.
You're prepared, your detail, your discipline, you show up early,
you stay late, you work. Uh, a little fanfare, little

(52:20):
stuff in terms of distractions or whatever like. You come
to work and you're pro they take care of and
here's your role for the week. This is what you
do this and that you don't bark at it. You
understand what your role is. You maximize what you can
do in your role, and that's what it is. And
you're able to stay singlely focused on here's what I'm
asked to do. I'm gonna maximize myself in this thing

(52:43):
and I'm not gonna worry about the other stuff. That's hard.
I think you see it a lot in Josh Gordon
as well, because they've they have made it an effort
to try to get the ball to Josh Gordon and
it's downfield, downfield, downfield, downfield, downfield. Then it doesn't work.
Guess what downfield down just like they have been trying
so and then you know it works against Green Bay

(53:03):
on a play where Julian Edelmen almost picked it off.
But but yeah, I mean they just constantly We're going
at it, and you could see them of like, look,
we've got Josh Gordon, this is why we brought him in.
This is what we're gonna do. And they just they
didn't let up on you know that that that's kind
of how they do. It is what they've done with
what all of their guys, and they've had success and
it's one of the reasons why their slot receivers have
been able to be so successful because they knew exactly

(53:26):
what they want out of those guys. They put those
guys in a situation where they can thrive and it works.
These Bucky Brooks. I'm Dan Buyer. This is the Dog
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(53:48):
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fall decorations this weekend, Bucky Christmas decorations move in. Yes,

(54:13):
holiday season. The pumpkins that have been rotting on our
front porch can now be finally thrown away. They were
they were about do on Halloween, but it's like you
got another month, or at least three or four weeks,
so now we can finally get rid of those and
move on to the other holiday spirits with the greens
and the reds and the what knots. Moving out in

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the week twelve in the National Football League, three games
in the books. Looking for a boatload of games on
Sunday as well to look forward to in a Monday
down affair between the Titans and Texans. That's what we've
got in week twelve, and right now we've got former
NFL scout. He's the host of the Three and Out
podcast on the Herd podcast Network and also doing some
work with the Athletic Are. Good friend John Middlecoff joins

(54:55):
us year on the Doug gott Leap Show. Hey John,
Happy Thanksgiving. Thanks so much for taking the time. Hey,
what's going on, villas? Happy guys. Let's take a look
back at last yesterday's games, not just last night's game
between the Falcons and Saints, but I want to start
actually with the Redskins and Cowboys, because Bucky and I
were talking earlier about the emergence of Amari Cooper. You're
in the Bay Area. I know when you come on

(55:15):
with Doug you end up talking about the Raiders. But
was last night more of an indictment on John Gruden
or Derek Carr seeing how well Amari Cooper played for
the Dallas Cowboys. Uh, you know, probably a combination of both,
but more on Gruden. I mean it's on the coach
to get that out of the player. Derek and Amari
I've had a lot of success to you know, with

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each other. They had a couple of big games this year.
Uh So at the end of the day, I you know,
I don't I don't crush that trade as much as
the Khalil Mack trade, which is indefensible. If Brewton wasn't
really feeling Amari Cooper is eventually his number one guy,
and that's what Amar was gonna get paid next year
on a fifth year option and the big contract I'm

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get from the Cowboy Ways either this offseason or next offseason. Uh,
they got a first round pick. But the problem is,
you know, a reinvigorated to Mari and I've always been
a bigger Mari guy. Like his ceiling may not be
Antonio Brown or Odell Beckham Jr. But it's too pretty high.
You know, he's got like there are only so many
guys in the league now even in a past happy

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ton of yards that half that game in the bag,
I mean that big play he made in the middle
of three guys and then just take at the distance,
you know, ironically against his former Alabama teammate ha haklint
Dick that I saw after the game. He said, I
couldn't let Hack catch me. But the Mari just looks like,
you know, he's having fun and so far in Dallas,
he's producing. There's no doubt about that, you know, John,

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I do wonder and I kind of feel sympathetic to
Raider fans because what looked like um was the makings
of a foundation of a team that would have a
life long championship run. It's all gone, Like you have
Khalil mcintop, I pick a Mark Cooper, top I pick
those two guys plus Derek are They're supposed to be
the foundation. Now two of those guys are gone, and

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so we can talk about having five first round picks
in two years, but you know how hard it is
to get those picks, right? Where do the Raiders go
from there? With all of that draft capital? With John
Gruden called in the shots, you know, the irony is
their biggest needs right now. They need a playmaker on
offense and they need a pass rusher. You know. So
it's like they got five first round picks and it

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sounds great and it is great, but two of those
guys are a Mari Cooper and Khalil mac You know,
they used at one point in time, the fourth pick
on a Mari in the fifth pick on Khalil. You know,
so that that's the best case scenario of these two
drafts is they get a Khalil and getting a Mari.
And I think you hit the nail on the head, Bucky,
that it's hard being a being a Raider fan. I mean,

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you had this this trio of young guys, and you
know it's unique in a league. Sometimes you know, you
get guys that have been in trouble or guys that
are big personalities like these were three really high character
and Khalil and Amar especially we're very very low key.
I mean, Amory barely talks. Khalil is checks every box

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in terms of what you look for on and off
the field. That yeah, and you treated, you know, am
Mari to the Cowboys. They're gonna be on national television
every other week, and now you have the Bears getting
flexed into Sunday Night. It feels like every other week.
It's hard. You can't even avoid these two. And there
they were just you know, the Bay Areas unique because
we have two teams at least now for the time being,

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but good players. You know, it's one of those if
you play well on either side, the whole Bay Area
kind of embraces you. And I think even forty Niner
fans like to Mariy, Derek and Uh and Khalil. You know,
they were just they were elite players a couple of
years ago, and then I know him, Amar and Derek
definitely fell off. But Mary was twenty four and he

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you know, he came from Alabama. Like you just you
just don't write those type guys off. And he's never
been in trouble. I don't know, man, that was risky
and yesterday was a spec cowboy game. Could not have
been easy for Gruden. Well, I I can't go on
without talking about Derek Carr, Like what, What's what's going
on with Derek Carr? I got it we thought was
an MVP candidate two years ago. Has looked nothing like that.

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Like how is this relationship where his progress in John
Gruden's system working? From everything I've heard, uh, and I
know they've reiterated those two Gruden and Derek is they
have a great relationship and they work. They work actually
great from what I've been told, like Monday through Saturday,
because Derek's a really hard worker in their super early

(59:34):
like John because just all football seven. But then on
game days, I think the biggest difference I've seen in
Derek's game, you know since the injury, and I'm talking
to major ankle injury, is he's just that year he
kind of you know, you know, Bucky watching him in
college coming out, there were questions like he's consistent consistency

(59:55):
in the pocket. Would he sit there and just throw
guards when people were coming at him and any and
it became somewhat in a good way of a gun
slinger that you know, year that they almost won the MVP,
and ever since then he sells flashes every once in
a while, but his his game inside the pocket and
just throwing the ball and just letting it rip is
not there. He's you know, often too worried about things

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coming at him. Now. Granted this year, their tackle situation,
especially their right tackle, they have a rookie Parker, there
was a third round pick. Is ever since Donald Penn
went down on an injury reserve, it just has no chance.
So so Derek and Colton. Miller's banged up and he's
getting smoked every week. So it's it's been hard these
last probably months to evaluate him. But early in the season,

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I don't know whether it's acclimating into a new offense,
whether you know, the injury in the back of his
head and that he also had a back injury last year.
He's just not quite the same guy to me at least.
The positive though, is like the physical tools are still there.
You know, the arm still looks good, he still has
the ability. It's not like his arms diminished or anything.
It's just to me, it's just confidence end right now,

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it's not there. John Middlecoff joining us here on Fox Sports. Accidentally,
he's Bucky Brooks. I did fire in for Doug Gottlieb
here on this Friday day after Thanksgiving. You mentioned it
was tough being a Raiders fan. How tough is it
being a Falcons fan? After last night's game? They had opportunities, John,

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But it just seems like over and over again, something
goes wrong. What's wrong in Atlanta? Well, at least in
Atlanta you still have sweet players to watch, and they
don't actually trade for good ones. Just fumbled for Julio,
They signed Mattie Eyes. They go get players. So I
mean that's uh. But but I hear you to me
this year it felt like they were alive a couple

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of weeks ago, and then when they lost the Brows,
it was basically like they have no shot. It's just
one of those years because I watched them clearly they're
really talented. I mean they're missing so many guys on defense.
At least they had the majority of the season, uh,
the Thursday night games. I mean they right now the
same their bus saw. I mean, you'd have to if
you were just doing power rankings independent of each other

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and who's played who. I don't know how you couldn't
put them just number one overall. Who's playing the best
you know right now? Uh, but you know, Atlanta's just
it's just one of those years. I don't look at
it like, you know, people are kind of crushing Philly
this year. They've had the Super Bowl hangover. They've also
had a lot of injuries too. It's just you know,

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sometimes you just you just hit you and there's nothing
you can do. Now. The hard part is their offense
has been healthy. It's not like Maddie ices missing games.
Julio has been healthy, Calvin Ridley has been really good.
So you would say, well, we've lost defensive players, but
this is an offensive league. I mean we should be
able to outscore people. And I would tend to agree.
I mean you can't, like you just can't lose to

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the Browns right under zero circles like that, just that
just can't happen if you're the falconst You know, John,
this is funny because you brought up would being an
offensive league and I don't know, and this isn't even
really required you to go heavy and two nineteen draft class.
But all the conversation about the twenty nineteen draft is
about how it's loaded with defensive talent. So how are

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we as executives supposed to wrap our brains around the
league is trending towards offense, but all the first round
picks are defense. Are we going to see some unusual
when the draft rose around in April? Welly, I I
do think Bucky the one area that you can still
be really physical for the most part. I mean, you
gotta be careful when you actually hit the quarterback, and

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you can't slam into the ground too hard. But just
in terms of like you can do basically everything you've
always done in terms of just head to head combat.
That's the line, so the defensive line, and that's why
you still see Aaron Donald khuil Mac. I mean, all
these elite players haven't really been phased by these rules
because they really affect the linebackers and the dbs. So
to me, if the guy is a legit pass rusher

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and you've probably studied this class a little better than me,
I mean I know a decent amount of them, but
these these guys are all gonna go really high the alignment.
Now the word I questioned, like some of these defense
the back. So you could argue, you know, should we
should we invest less in the top corners and safeties
just in the fact that like most guys are gonna

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be average now because even the top guys aren't allowed
to be physical down the field. And they call defensive
holding and it bothers me so much, like the defenser
has to be able to do something now blatant holds,
blatant p I is, I get it, but just playing
hands me down the field, like you gotta they have
to be able to do something because they can't tackle him. Uh,
they can't touch him. You know you you could argue,

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I I don't even know. Uh, you'd have to really.
I mean, these discussions are I'm sure taking place in
these you know, initial draft meetings here in the fall
that has the corner or even the safety. If a
guy is a first rounder and there's a defensive tackle
that has some pass rustability also there, you know, if
and we're drafted twelve, we'd be better off going with

(01:04:53):
that guy than we would the corner, where in some
previous draft corners always go you know, a couple in
the top fifteen. Are those guy's gonna fall now? Just
because you know it's basically impossible to play? And does
that help you know something? It doesn't feel like a
really good receiver class, But you go, God, I think
this guy is gonna be a solid guy. Is that
guy that would have gone pick forty five? Now go

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and pick thirty two? You know, I don't know. I'm
fascinated to see this whole run. And I'm sure when
all these coaches and GM's talking to combine, probably gonna
be the talk of the combine, like how the game's change,
how do your draft board change? How does your your
hierarchy of positions? Because clearly quarterback it's not gonna budge,
if anything, it's only gonna if it went from one

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to like negative five now. Uh. But but everything else,
I think it's it's up for discussion. Well, we just
saw Justin Herbert of Oregon get sacked and then the
graphic that they immediately put up on Fox Sports one
or a good state few of sacks in the pack twelve.
That's why you gotta go pro, Justin. There's no point
in sticking around. You can get hurt on any play,
even against from enough credible people. Though. I think a

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lot of people in the NFL expect to go back
to school. Yeah, I mean, but I mean you never know.
I mean we we heard that about Sam Donald last
year two and he ended up coming out and went three. Yeah.
I think the thing that's different about Herbert is they
say that his brother is a high school seniord. He
would have an opportunity to play with him next year
at Oregon, and that is something that maybe he want
to do because he's also a local kid from Eugene.

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He's from that, like Springfield, so right around there. So
maybe he just wants to situation. Yeah, John, enjoy the weekend.
We appreciate it, and of course we'll read your stuff
on the Athletic Elicity on the three at Out podcast
and talk to you again soon. Have a good one.
John Middlecoff, former NFL scout, joining us here on Fox

(01:06:41):
Sports Radio. He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Dan Buyer in for
Doug Gottlieb here on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Coming up next,
the Lamar Jackson era continues in Baltimore. We'll talk about
it after Ralph Irvan gives us the latest of what's
happening in college football and the match? Hello Ralph, Hello,

(01:07:01):
and yes, we actually have action in another top twenty
five game, Number nine UCF on the road down the
I four corridor at U s F and they're still
midway through the first quarter, no score. UCF had the
ball but had to pun it away. Meanwhile, on the
college hardwood, the game that Bucky's most interested in, that
would be, of course North Carolina had taken on u

(01:07:23):
C l A and they are playing in the first half.
The Bruins with a thirty six lead six oh five
to play in the first quarter. Make it thirty seven.
Number nine Michigan thirty to fourteen. They have a lead
over Chattauga. Again, that is in the first half. One
game going on also in the NBA where the Clippers

(01:07:45):
are hosting Memphis, and right now it is at the
half Memphis with a fifty lead over l A. You
talk about the match, well, it continues at phil with
a one up lead. They've had whole two through six
and as far as the way train, there's not been
a lot. The first pole there was that two hundred

(01:08:07):
thousand dollar Birdie wager bill didn't make Birdie Tiger one
two thousand. On the fifth hole, there was a one
hundred thousand dollar closest to the Pin contest, Phil One.
That's so Tiger still is up one hundred thousand dollars.
Fill up again. One hole in the match, tow went
up through six. Thank you very much, Ralph. This is
the Doug Gottlieb Show. I'm Dan Buyer, He's Bucky Brooks.

(01:08:28):
As we are in for Doug today. You can always
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also hear them Saturday's here with Mark Willard on Fox
Supports Radio at four o'clock Eastern time. So Lamar Jackson's
gonna get a second straight start. We talked some Raiders

(01:08:50):
with John Middlcoff. That's who Baltimore has so now two
straight weeks. Lamar Jackson ends up being quarterback when Joe
Flacco is healthy enough. Is it a foregone conclusion that
he gets his job back? Or could this be the
passing of the torch that has already happened. If the
Ravens gonna win against the Raiders on Sunday, you know,

(01:09:12):
I think this is a tough one. They have so
much success last week against the Cincinnati Bengals that if
they duplicate that success against the Raiders, I think it'd
be hard to move on from Lamar Jackson. When you
can rush for two hundred and fifty plus yards two
running backs or two runners go over one hundred yards,
and Lamar Jackson and Gus Edwards, if they can have
that kind of success again, I absolutely expect Lamar Jackson

(01:09:35):
to feed the guy. But what I'm looking for when
I watched this game against the Raiders, now, did they
put it on tape? How they will play with Lamar Jackson?
What would the Raiders do to slow him down and
defend him? And how will the Baltimore Ravens continue to
evolve and grow this offense with Lamar Jackson. It will
be a chess match. I can't wait to see what happens.

(01:09:55):
And you know, the moves and account of moves that
take place on the If I'm Joe Flak and I'm like,
why can't we have the Chiefs this week? Disrespect to
the Raiders. That is a lot of disrespect that I
just threw to the Raiders. But seriously, like, if you're
sitting there and they had the great win against Cincinnati
last week, they were able to survive that and move

(01:10:16):
on and get a victory, and now Oakland comes to town,
and you're like, great, well, this team can't beat anyone
except the Arizona Cardinals like they did a week ago.
The Raiders are so bad. There's no way they're gonna
win two games in a row. The point is, I'm
Joe Flacca, I'm like, great, my timing is is awful. Here.
What I find interesting and I look at this is
an overall picture in the NFL is how we view

(01:10:39):
coaches who may be lane ducks, gms who may be
lane ducks, and how you proceed in the future. And
when the Bears drafted Mitchell Trabisky, Ryan Paced, the general
manager of the Bears, made that decision, and John Fox
really wasn't on the inside of that decision when it
came down on that on him by surprise. That's not

(01:11:02):
a good sign when you're a head coach. But Bucky,
what what I've seen and what I think we've seen
in the National Football League is there aren't always going
to be perfect pairings with a coach and a rookie
quarterback who's gonna be your starter, and you guys are
tied at the hip for ten years. I actually give
Todd Bowls and the Jet some credit with this that

(01:11:24):
if if coaches are in a lame duck situation, you
might as well attach yourself to the young guy, because
if you don't give him a chance, it gives more
of an opportunity to say, well, guess what, we need
to play the young guy. We need to play the
first round pick. It's gonna be a fresh start with
with everyone. I think some of these coaches were more
willing to be hey, and and there's not situations like

(01:11:48):
this that are all around the NFL, but they do
come up from time to time. The point I'm making
is it may be in John Harbaugh's best interest if
he wants to stick around to attach his wagon too
the Lamar Jacks and train because that's the only way
you're you're going to be around in Baltimore. That may
take the loyalty that you've had for Joe Flacco throughout
that time, But if you want to remain the head

(01:12:08):
coach of the Baltimore Ravens. That's the easiest way to
do it. That is the easy way to do it.
A John Harvard knew that. He knew that going in.
He knows that his job is on the line. The
best way that he can kind of stick around as
if they showed her they have a plan to get
Lamar Jackson up and going because everyone wants to see
the quarterback shine, because the quarterbacks starring gives you an
opportunity to win games, and so this is a huge opportunity.

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This game against the Raiders is another showcase game. It's
not only a showcase for Lamar Jackson. It is a
showcase for Marty Moore and wig, Greg Roman, everybody on
that offensive staff. Can they create a plan that allowed
Lamar Jackson to play at a high level. That will
be the thing. You know what I like about Lamar Jackson.
The sidearm throws like they're only like they're only five yards.

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But I like when he steps up and if there's
a defender, he has no album winging it right under
the armpit or trying to get an angle. He can
throw at different angles, which is does that sound like
I'm not a scout. You are a scout? Does that
sound like that is a good scout talk. He does
throw from different angles. The big thing that you want

(01:13:15):
to see is him use his legs. He doesn't utilize
his lower body to really help him with his throws,
and that's why he struggled with his accuracy. However, he
is a fantastic athlete, and we saw that game against Cincinnati. Man,
they got a little like he was a fastest guy
in the field at some points. I just get't wait
to see what they continue to do, how they continue
to expand their package and maximize what he could be

(01:13:35):
as a dual threat. He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Dan Buyer.
This is Fox Sports Radio. We are in for Doug
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(01:13:55):
coming up next. You wouldn't believe what happened today on Fox.
This is amazing we'll tell you next year on Fox
Sports Radio. He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Dan Buyer. This is
Fox Sports Radio. I was put on the spot earlier
with John middle Coffins. I had to do math in
my head. Normally, sixteen games on an NFL weekend, but
this week two teams are on buy so there's fifteen games.

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Three were played yesterday, so we have twelve games remaining
on the NFL schedule. I was trying to figure it
all out when we had John of looking ahead and
and trying to foreshadow mentioned the Monday night game, Titans
taking on the Texans. Marcus Mariota likely to play in
that game and start for Tennessee despite his injury issues

(01:14:41):
elbow stinger. All that in more with the Tennessee Titans,
but he should go against the Houston Texans. Let's stay
in the great state of Texas, shall we, Bucky And
now this is the time of the show where Doug
likes to pull something from Fox Sports Radio or Fox
Sports One that let's just say interesting and skip. Bayliss

(01:15:03):
was at it again, undisputed. My team is now perfectly
positioned to win the NFC East, in part by default
because the Redskins are still gonna lose some more games,
and the Eagles are definitely going to lose some more
games when their schedule. They're not going to win out.
You're so wrong, and you're gonna lose. Three more cases
to do on the Eagles, plus three more cases on

(01:15:24):
my Cowboys winning at all, and your Giants are coming.
I will, I will agree with you. I don't think
O'Dell is gonna be able to live up to win
out prediction. But but they're going to be a factor
because they're going to be the spoiler. They're they're going
to take their little pounds of flesh. Maybe they'll beat
the Eagles. No, Skip VI and Shannon going I give

(01:15:44):
skip credit because it seemed that he was realistic in
all of this and saying they just may win by
default for what you've got. But Washington showed yesterday that
they're bringing a knife to a gunfight. It just isn't
that they've got their own injuries. You've got the Giants
so far back they need to beat the Eagles to
get within two games. I mean, it's pretty amazing to

(01:16:06):
me to see how quickly Dallas has kind of taken
over the driver's seat in that division. Yeah, but I mean,
I mean it was a very doable deal. When they
made the deal for Mary Cooper, they put them in range.
It really saw one of the biggest issues. They didn't
have enough explosiveness on the outside, and they picked up
a level of confidence. And when the offense is playing well,
they're running the ball and Zeke kind of sets the

(01:16:27):
tone in terms of their identity because he brings the toughness,
the physicality, and then their defense is feeding off of that.
I think they have a lot of things working at
the right time. And what you're always hoping for is
you're hoping to get to the halfway market about four
and four at the worst, because it gives you a shot,
and then you want to get hot playing good football.

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And November in December and the Dallas Cowboys are beginning
to play good football to beginning to find out who
they are, and then they're beginning to play to that identity.
If they continue to follow this formula where they don't
the ball away, they're able to run the football when
they want to run, and Zeke Elliott is a big
point of game playing With a Mariy Cooper making plays,
they're gonna be a tough team to beat when I
look when you look at the Cowboys and see what

(01:17:11):
they've got. Next week, it's a home game against the Saints. Yeah,
which I don't know about you, but it seems like
the Saints have played every game at home so far
this year. Maybe it's because all of their big games
have been at home, but it's been the Rams, it's
been the Eagles, it was the Falcons last night. It
seems like they're at home quite a bit. The point
being now the Saint's got to go on the road
and face the Cowboys for Dallas. That seems a little

(01:17:33):
bit tough. But Giants and Eagles this week. I know
the Eagles are a touchdown favorite, but I'm not sure
how much of a given that is considering what's going
on with Philadelphia. And it's just there's skips right. It's
it seems almost by default that if you were to
take these teams and you look at their remaining schedule,
and we don't even have to look at the schedule,
as long as it's not a murderers row, these teams

(01:17:55):
are good enough for for me to say, oh, that's
going to be a win, or that could be a
loss of the Cowboys of a game against the Colts
coming up in a week sixteen I believe it is
or week fifteen. Excuse me, you're like, all right, that's
the game that that that could be up in the air.
But the Redskins, Eagles, and Giants all have the same games.
Just an average NFC East right now, which seems to

(01:18:15):
be allowed the Cowboys to make some Hey yeah, I
mean it's an average NFC East, But I mean they
can't control everybody else. For them, they have to be
excited about it. Gave them an opportunity to stay in
the mix. The bigger thing for Jason Garrett his coaching staff, um,
he's made some move, made some changes. They brought huss
and Hawk over to help kind of fix the offensive line,

(01:18:36):
and then they finally standing true to who their players are.
Zeke Elliott is an inside runner, can catch the ball
out the backfield deck. Prescott is a guy that's more
of the game manager than a playmaker. Allow him to
play to his strength and in a Mari Cooper, they
found ways to make him the number one. All of
those things are working and working well for the Cowboys,
which why they're on the High Street. He's Bucky Brooks.

(01:18:59):
I'm and buyer. This is Fox Sports Radio. As I mentioned,
there are twelve games in the National Football League left
to go in Week twelve, the Sun and ut Affair
Green Bay taking on Minnesota. Minnesota seems to be back
at full strength. But when we compare what you've got
in the NFC North, Bucky, and what you've got in
the NFC East, and even with the NFC South, where

(01:19:21):
I'm counting out the the Falcons, you still have Carolina
in there as a wild card. You just it's gonna
be there's gonna obviously be a winner from the NFC
East in the playoff picture that that's gonna host a
wild card game. I just don't see Washington sticking around
for a wild card with what you've got in the
NFC North and with Carolina there and even Seattle in
the West. So it's when the division or go home

(01:19:43):
right now? What it seems like in the NFC East,
And and the reason I bring it up is Packers
and Vikings play in an NFC North showd on Sunday
night in Minnesota, two teams that are also vying for
the playoff positioning. Yeah, nannesc Is, you only have one
team that gets in, and so everyone has to understand
that the only way we're gonna make the playoffs is
we have to win the division. Ask some pressure, but

(01:20:04):
you just kind of have to know what it is.
For the Packers and the Vikings, these are critical games. Um.
The Packers have to figure out who they are offensively
right now. They haven't been very good on offense. This
is really surprising. Mike McCarthy typically has a way of
fielding top offenses when he has Aaron Rodgers available to him.
For whatever reason, something's missing. Maybe they need to diversify,
maybe didn't need to go no huddle, maybe they need

(01:20:25):
to give more play calling to Aaron Rodgers. But something
has to happen to get them on track. And for
the Minnesota Vikings, they are discovering exactly who Kirk Cousins is.
Kirk Cousins may make eighty four million dollars, but you
can't put the expectations that come with the eight million
dollar quarterback on him. He's a compliment. He's well, I

(01:20:46):
was gonna say he's the sweet potatoes, but yesterday I
said so, I would say he's the sucker. Tash of
the mill. He's a side dish and all the other
things have to be right for him to win. And
so they just have to figure out who they are.
They're not playing well. They need to get back to running.
They are not running the ball well. And the running
game is what made them very effective a season ago. Yeah.

(01:21:07):
And the defense is better a season ago, yeah, because
they ran the ball. I have fewer snaps on the
fuel less. The more you pass, the more likely your
defense is going to be on the field because you're
not draining the clock, especially if you have some in completions.
And so it worked well because they would run the
ball successfully, then they protected the defense. The defense could

(01:21:27):
play and play at a high level, but they didn't
have to play all the time on the field. Kirk
Cousins alone man out when you are Super Bowl or
won't win you a super Bowl. But he's good enough
to be the quarterback of a super Bowl winning team.
And that's what I think is important for people to
realize when you're analyzing one Kirk Cousins. He's Buckey Brooks.
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(01:21:47):
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(01:22:10):
a team that has an outside shots at the College
Football Playoff u CF in South Florida right now, going
at it, Yeah, just seven nothing at the end of
that first quarter in a in a game that would
mean a lot for the UCF nights. That is a
that is a a a squad that everyone wants to

(01:22:31):
get behind to put chaos into the college football world.
The only problem is a lot would have to happen.
But there are about what I mean, Oklahoma and West
Virginia later tonight is a game that would have some
saying into the College Football Playoff. Michigan Ohio State for sure,
SEC championship game, even the two games that Clemson you
may not think, but Notre Dame USC has a game.

(01:22:54):
There's really about eight games left that really have an
effect on eight or ten games they would have effected
on the playoff. This could be one of them. But
you see f right now with the lead against South Florida.
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(01:23:15):
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talking a lot of NFL Today in preparation for Week
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much about the Bears and lines, but really what happened
with the Cowboys and Redskins, and then what happened with

(01:23:35):
the Atlanta Falcons and New Orleans Saints. But this trickles
over Bucky into a conversation about the Oakland Raiders, and
the Raiders have Lamar Jackson and the Baltimore Ravens coming
up on Sunday. But a Marii Cooper's performance has really
started to to make headlines, not only in Dallas and
across the NFL, but specifically in the Bay Area because

(01:23:57):
now you're saying to yourself, wait, wait, what did we
actually have here? Dak Prescott and the Marii Cooper connection
seems to be paying big dividends for the Dallas Cowboys
while making headaches for those wearing the silver and black. Yeah.
I mean, he has been everything that the Cowboys have
wanted as a number one receiver. He's been a big
time playmaker, all those things. But then for the Oakland Raiders,

(01:24:20):
you have to be sick to your stomach that you
gave away a top five pick and he's playing like
a top five pick for another team. You know, um,
you know, And that's the risk that you run when
you let go twenty four years old, two time Pro bowler,
even though he hadn't played well in your system, you
elected to trade him away. And now you've seen every week,
because they play all these primetime games, you're seeing him

(01:24:42):
and Khalil Matt go off. The only thing it does
is it just puts so much pressure on you on
draft day that now you're having to make decisions knowing
that I have to justify why we got rid of
two Pro Bowl players so we could get these players.
It just complicates the process so much more. Now Mar
Cooper did come into the NFL at two thousand yard seasons,

(01:25:03):
although thousand yards seasons aren't what maybe they used to be,
especially now in today's NFL, but that may even be
more to the point of what was going on in Oakland.
And also seen that Derek Carr at times maybe a
better report with other receivers on that team. I mentioned
Michael Crabtree earlier in the show. I felt a lot
of this was maybe on Derek Carr, and now seeing

(01:25:25):
what Deck Prescott is doing with a Marie Cooper and
what he wasn't doing or what Amari Cooper wasn't doing
with Derek Cole was an indictment on Car. But John Middlecoff,
former NFL scout, joined us last Hour to talk about
that Raiders situation and maybe really who should be at
fault for what they've got with the Silver and Black
and now what the Cowboys having a Marie Cooper. From
everything I've heard, uh and I know they've reiterated those two.

(01:25:49):
Gruden and Derek is they have a great relationship and
they work. They work actually great from what I've been told,
like Monday through Saturday, because Derek is the really hard
worker in their for early, like John because of just
all football seven. But then on game days, I think
the biggest difference I've seen in Derek's game, you know,

(01:26:09):
since the injury, and I'm talking to major ankle injury,
is he's just that year he kind of you know,
you know, lucky. Watching him in college coming out, there
were questions like he's consistent consistency in the pocket. Would
he sit there and just throw guards when people are
coming at him? And he kind of became somewhat in
a good way of a gun slinger that you know
year that he almost won the MVP, and ever since

(01:26:32):
then he sells flashes every once in a while, but
his his game inside the pocket and just throwing the
ball and just letting it rip is not there. He's
you know, often too worried about things coming at him. Now.
Granted this year, their tackle situation, especially their right tackle,
they have a rookie Parker, there was a third round pick,
is ever since Donald Penn went down on an injury reserve,

(01:26:53):
it just has no chance. So so Derek and Colton.
Miller's banged up and he's getting smoked every week. So
it's it's and hard these last probably months to evaluate him.
But early in the season, I don't know whether it's
acclimating into a new offense, whether you know the injury
in the back of his head and that he also
had a back injury last year. He's just not quite

(01:27:13):
the same guy. To me, at least depositive though, is
the physical tools are still there. You know, the arm
still looks good, he still has the ability. It's not
like his arms diminished or anything. It's just to me,
it's just confidence and right now it's not there. And
and hearing what John just said, it is very interesting
because it seems like it's between the ears a lot
with Derek Carr and what is going on on the field.

(01:27:36):
And and that's why when I when I see Amari
Cooper do what he's done with Dak Prescott and see
how easy they were able to get on the same page,
makes it that much more difficult to understand what went
on in Oakland. So and and and that's to the point,
I didn't know everything that that John explained to us
until he told us. But I just got the sense

(01:27:56):
that this was more of a Derek car issue than
anything else in Oakland and wya, Mary Cooper wasn't working
out in the Silver and Black. I I still will
hold John Gruden somewhat culpable for the situation because he's
the head coach, he's offensive coordinator, he is the one
that designs the plays. He certainly should have known that
Mark Cooper was one of his best players and made

(01:28:17):
it a point to get him the ball early in games.
That's something that he has done in the past. He
did it back when he had Tim Brown. He didn't
when he had Tim Brown and Jerry Rice going all
the way back to Philadelphia. He understands how to get
his guys off by getting them touches early in the game.
I'm surprised he hasn't done that. Maybe he'll do it
going forward. Um, this is a situation that is so

(01:28:38):
weird to me because normally, when the quarterback has a
report writive receiver and that series receiver is a young
number one receiver who is under you, totally don't walk.
Let those guys walk up the door. Your quarterback could
have been able to save him, so you wont if
there was something else in play. But right now, it's

(01:28:59):
a bad look for Routin, but also a bad look
on the young quarterback as Gruten adapted to the NFL
because we've seen pass charts where listen, I didn't even
finish the sentence and Bucky already started to laugh. But
we've seen pass charts where there is very little to
nothing down field. And when we look at the I

(01:29:23):
don't know the the coaching tree, if you will, and
you see where Jon Gruden came from, whether it be
under Andy Reid in Philadelphia or during his time under
UH Mike Holmgren in Green Bay. Is Andy Reid's been
able to adjusts John Gruten been able to adjust. I
think that seems like a legitimate question one year into
his return to the coaching ranks. It absolutely a legit question,

(01:29:46):
and it's one of those things that we won't know
until we see them play more. UM. Andy Reid adapted
and ingested, but he also brought people in to make
him familiar with their world. He brought in Chris Alt,
who was Colin Kaepernick's former head coach at the University
of Nevada. He hired Brad Childress and made him the
special UH consultant who was responsible for reading all spread

(01:30:11):
concepts and seeing it and pointed out and showing him
so even though on the outside. He didn't show that
he wanted to be an innovator or a creator. He
took all the necessary steps to know what it would
take to be that kind of guy. What about the
the moves John Griden brings in someone like Tom Cable
from Seattle. The Seahawks just had a horrendous time for

(01:30:33):
years with their offensive line and then they running the
ball and right writ not it's not a coincidence, is
I mean, it really shouldn't be. And there's different styles though,
and this was this was part of the the issue
that you actually had in Oakland last year when you're
trying to figure out when when you had Donald Penn
playing left tackle and assembly you paid a lot of

(01:30:56):
money to to be your guard and you're running a
ski team that doesn't necessarily play to the strengths of
the guys that you have paid money to. They're more
of a zone blocking scheme than just taking somebody and
running them down the throat. Now you're bring in Tom Cable,
who pretty much does the same exact thing that, or
at least running a zone scheme to me, that seems

(01:31:18):
when you talking about Andy Reid bringing in coaches that
that would change things. It doesn't seem like John Gruden
is doing things to change things. He's just bringing in
guys that are going to do it his way. He
is an ultimately, when you're in an organization, we'd like
to have a checks and balance his system. You would
like to have someone, if you're the top dude, someone
that can challenge you and provoke you and to make

(01:31:40):
you think beyond how you currently think. That is part
of what makes good front office is a little disagreement,
a little discord, just to make sure that you feel
good about the decisions that you make. And so with
John Gruden, if you have a bunch of yes people
up under you, you can't make a hard, a hard assessment,
any valuation, because everyone is just going not great, pig great,

(01:32:03):
great pick. No. Sometimes you have to beat a bad
guy and you have to throw the grenade and make
everyone fully examine the situation before you give it a
thumbs up. He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Dan Buyer. This is
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(01:32:26):
You're going back and forth as well. Two hundred here,
a hundred thousand there. But Tiger overall in the winner
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(01:32:46):
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(01:33:07):
Bucky Brooks. We are in for Doug today on a
busy day in sports, on this Black Friday, a busy
day for shopping. We're talking NFL, even a little golf
with the match going on with Tiger and Phil, but
our focus right now on the college game. Joining us,
a good friend, publisher of College Football News dot com,
Pete Feutech, joins us on this Black Friday. Hello Pete,

(01:33:30):
gonna talk to you again. How are you guys doing today.
We are doing well, and there is some news that
is just in and it's it's kind of tough to
to fathom. And I guess it's not even a question, Pete,
but Mackenzie Milton of UCF just went down with a
serious leg injury, had to be carded off the field.
The the quarterback of the Nights who is a Heisman

(01:33:54):
candidate and leading them to their unbeaten season. I hate
to be so callous in say, well, what does this
do for the Nights even if they still run the
table and chaos happens, But I guess maybe that is
what I'm asking. I mean, is this is this just
something where all right, not that you CEF had a
shot anyway, but the things maybe we're crazy, but they

(01:34:15):
still prevent them from keeping out. I guess your reaction
to the injury into part. It's part of the equation
it's supposed to be and it is cow. It is mean,
but it is you know, the injuries are a part
of how the committee is supposed to evaluate these things.
And you know, if you don't have your star player,
it is supposed to be a problem because it's not

(01:34:36):
just about merit. It's about trying to figure out who
the four best teams are in this uh the tournament.
So uh, even in chaos theory, you're right, they're not
getting in. I mean they're just everyone's been kind of
mean about it, say, oh, well this happened. No you're
not gonna get in. But obviously that's it now. Darryl
mac a good backup. You played a couple of weeks
ago and Milton missed the game, and so, uh, the offense,

(01:35:00):
it's still going to be solid, the defense is still good.
They're still going to end up winning this game against
USF and they'll probably take out Memphis. But uh yeah,
it's just not obviously the same team. But again it's
this is shaping up now. It really is all about
kend The leaders kind of maintained, uh not blow it
from here on out because we kind of know what

(01:35:20):
the pecking order is going to be. And tonight it's
gonna be interesting if you want your chaos thing to
happen now with Texas being a Kansas today. If Oklahoma loses,
it's not just out of the College football playoffs, it's
out of a Big Twelve title game. So they're gone.
And then Washington State's got this net the game against Washington,
so two key parts of this can get knocked out.

(01:35:42):
You know, that's unbelievable to just think a bit that way,
like teams that have been and it makes the entire
time it could be knocked out. My eyes are deadly on.
My eyes are squarely on the big game taking place
tomorrow between Michigan and Ohio State. Ohio State has ruled
this rivalry. I guess you can still call the robbery
even though Michigan hasn't won. Um, what are your expectations

(01:36:04):
from that game? How much pressure is on Jim Harbag
going into that one? Yeah, I mean the while pressure
in the world. I mean that this is it. I mean,
this is everything. And then I remember hearing this, you know,
throughout the season's like hey, you know, you guys just
beat Michigan State. They okay, that's great, beat Ohouse State.
You know, it's just this is this is the one
that they have to win or else the season. It's

(01:36:24):
not a failure, but it's a it's a clunker because
if you're not going to beat him, now, what are
you gonna do it? This is when Michigan's got the
stronger team it's coming in. It's the favorite. It's defenses
rock and rolling, it's got enough offense. Uh, it's got
to get this game done. And part of the problem is,
you know, Ohio State might have more talent, you know
how State just hasn't been able to flip that switch yet.

(01:36:46):
It's got to the offensive skill. It's at home. It's
urban versus Jim Harbaugh, and it can absolutely play that.
Nobody believes in US Card even though they have a
future NFL franchise quarterback and more skilled talent in Michigan.
As isn't an amazing it is Pete fu Tech joins
US here. Is that it's come to this point, like
the argument would always be like, why don't you have

(01:37:08):
better teams than Ohio State? And he hasn't, and this
is like the first time that he's done it, and
now this would be the reason like, Okay, you had
the better team and you still didn't win. But it's
just it's it's funny to to to look at this
rivalry and to see how it's played out and be like,
all right now this would be the final straw for
for Jim Harbaugh in in Michigan. It's just I don't know,

(01:37:30):
it's just plays funny to me. He's never gonna get fired,
you know, I mean, they're still great. I mean, he's
never I mean, you know, it's not like he's on
a hot seat or anything like that. If they do lose,
you know, they're they're still gonna be strong. There's still
a potential there to at least go to the Rose Bowl,
you know. So it's not like he's done a bad job.
If he loses one game, he's still great. But how

(01:37:51):
States still how State? You know, it's it's still this
amazing program that just gets so much talent there that
you know, they do have the skill guys they could
have been should potentially win this game. Uh So, it's
it's it's the game when these two teams are just
playing really, really well. So I'm not going to dump
it on Harbonn and say, hey, look win or else.

(01:38:12):
But certainly, uh this is one of those times when
everything's been great so far this season, but this is
now You've got to get the job done. Yeah, yeah,
he does have to get a job done a team
that needs to get the job done. You kind of
brought him up a little bit. Oklahoma taken on West
Virginia when it gets to go to the championship game,
what are your expectations when you see the Sooners take

(01:38:33):
on the Mountaineers be over on the point total and
I'm sure I'm wrong on this. I'm sure there's been
bigger ones in the past. And eighty five point total
in this game tonight, it's insane. You're asking these two
teams to basically go and it doesn't sound that crazy
considering you know how great these offenses are and how

(01:38:53):
poorous the Oklahoma defense has been. I have just kind
of all along assumed that this was going to be
the first two between these two. But now this is it.
This is who gets to play Texas And I kind
of think at the end of the the day, who gets
to be the Big twelve champions. I do think the
winner of this game about to beat the Longhorns. And
this is uh, this is gonna be a fun, wild,

(01:39:14):
crazy shootout. This is where it's kind of like the pressure.
If you're West Virginia, You've got the big boy in
your house, one game, sixty minutes with a chance to
go to a Big twelveth championship. Yeah, this is what
If you're Danale Holgerson and Roll Career. This is the
game we're waiting for. Pete feu Teck in College Football News,
joining us here on Fox Sports Radio and the Doug
Gottlieb Show. He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Dan Buyer. We assume

(01:39:35):
Notre Dame is gonna win tomorrow against USC and Alabama
Georgia in the SEC title game, and I am talking
about the three I'm Beaten's but I want to ask
you about Clemson. Could Clemson lose one of these last
two games and still make the playoffs. It's an interesting question,
mainly because the rest of the schedule isn't so hot,
and that's part of the problem is with the College

(01:39:56):
Football Playoff Committee and what they're doing so far is
their mission mixing in matching their rankings a little bit there,
Miss Washington. What they're what they're doing. They're kind of
going off to you know who, which team looks great.
They're kind of going off of resumes, They're kind of
going off of schedules, and at the end of the
day was like, yeah, Alabama is good, We're just gonna
put them in. It's just there's no there's not enough

(01:40:17):
transparency about what they're doing. And so you know, part
of this is you can make a really good case
that Notre Dame deserves to be ahead of Clemson based
on resumes. You have a very good case that Michigan
could be because Crons and again, this acc has been
so mediocre that it's just kind of hard to give
him a whole lot of love. And if they lose
to South Carolina, that's a problem. If they lose to

(01:40:40):
pit that's a problem. And it really depends on what
else you got out there. You see, US is not
going to get in because of this, but certainly the
Big Ten champion, if it's if it's twelve and one,
even if it's Ohio State, is going to make a
great case. Certainly Notre Dame it's twelve and oh gets in,
and certainly Alabama gets in. And then on a four
best team theory, if Georgia loses to Alabama close, you

(01:41:01):
might have an argument says, you know what, george is
just one of the four best teams, look get in.
You know, it's crazy. This hypothetical question drives me crazy
when I hear about it. But I don't know if
you're paying attention to the last couple of days. Uh.
People have talked to some former Alabama players and they
asked if Alabama's team could beat an NFL team if

(01:41:23):
they y the way. The way I always kind of
put that is Alabama is loaded with NFL prospects. The
Oakland Raiders are loaded with actual NFL players. It's not
like these guys are actually going to get there like
they might, you know, go for a driver too. It's

(01:41:43):
not like they're going to be totally embarrassed. But no,
I mean the maturity level and just the time level.
I mean, one of the things everyone kind of forgets
is these pro players, that's their job. That's what they do,
that's their entire life. In college, you guys have to
go to class, you know, they do have to act.
We study things and do other stuff, and there are
time limits on practices. Not to mention again, it's two

(01:42:07):
year old guys going up again to grown men with
you know, bad intentions, and some of the best athletes
in the world. They're geting paid lots and lots of
money to kill them. I would want no business. I
I'd rather watch a golf pay per view with two
of the worst players. Actually, that would be fun. I'm
a big golf guy, and so we're all Tiger and Phil.

(01:42:28):
But there's a lot of people who are turned off.
But I would have no interest in the novelty of
Alabama against an NFL team there. They would not for
that at all. Pete, we appreciate the time on a holiday.
We know you're busy watching games and stuff like that
with the late breaking news. We appreciate it so much.
We'll always read your stuff on College Football News and
we'll do it again soon. Pete Fetech, publisher of College

(01:42:50):
Football News dot com. Joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. Now.
You're seeing a lot of the reaction on the Mackenzie
Milton injury, which was a severe injury. I did not
see it. I am not. Doug always talks about the
type of people who whether you like to see injuries,
whether you like to see it once or whether you
like to see it over and over again. I'm a
I don't like to see it at all, So I'm

(01:43:12):
glad I haven't seen it at all. But the way
that they had Mackenzie Milton strapped in the cart with
his leg being protected just a serious, serious injury for
the UCF quarterback. Serious serious injury and I don't know
if people think I cannot watch those things. Man, they
made me like when Alex Smith heard last week and
then this guy guys, no, I can't. I agree, I

(01:43:33):
can't you. SEF, by the way, has helmets that say
u CF on it, but it's an outline of the
state that those players are from, not the state, just
the state of Florida. But like if you're from North
Carolina and you went to UCF, he would have the
outline of the state of North Carolina with the UCF

(01:43:55):
logo on it. That's a unique, unique taking, very unique.
That's a very unique take a way. You see by
the way up on South Florida, even without Mackenzie Milton
ten nothing as they are midway through the second quarter.
I'm doing the job of Ralph Irvan right there, Ralph Scott.
Everything else taken care of in the world of sports. Sorry,
I took the UCF South Florida game away from your Ralph,

(01:44:15):
but you can take care of the others well. I
can also tell you that on the helmet nub, which
is at the top of the face mask in the front,
they have each player's home area code. Oh what would
yours be? Bucky nine. Yours would be four one five
all the four and five. Mine would be for the
hometown seven one five in Wisconsin. Yes, but uh one

(01:44:41):
thing with Mackenzie Milton's injury, he was taken off big
castor or embrace on his right leg. It was not
an air cast, so it doesn't look like it was
a massive bone break like we like we saw with
Alex Smith. More like a pretty severe knee injury. Uh
is typically they wrapped them up. Dot to Ralph irvin

(01:45:01):
us here, I have sadly seen enough injuries. Three, We're
gonna air it. Dr L go ahead, Sorry, well, I
have a diagnosis for U c l A, the number
seventeen team in the country. They should score more points
because right now they're trailing number seven North Carolina sixty
three sixty two. That's with twelve minutes to play in

(01:45:23):
the second half. Number nine Michigan cruising against Chattanooga six
and a half minutes to play there and the Wolverines
are up seventy two to forty and number fourteen Florida
State leading number nineteen l s U thirty to twenty
as they get set to start the second half. One
game going on right now in in the NBA. There
in the fourth quarter, six minutes to go and the Grizzlies,

(01:45:44):
Memphis Grizzlies lead the Clippers eighty four to seventy nine.
Right now in the match, Phil Mickelson still with a
one up lead as they are on the tenth hole
of play. One other note from that, guys, Phil was
plus one forty in Las Vegas, Us to have the
lead at the nine hole turn. Interesting it was plus

(01:46:06):
five hundred. A lot of people had money on that
one for sure. Yeah, that seemed like maybe the most
logical that maybe that they would they would be back
and forth. There's somebody wouldn't be able to get out
ahead and they would be all square through nine. But
that is not the case, as you said, through nine
holes filled with the one up lead. Tiger did just
make a put on the tent hole. Looks like Phil's

(01:46:28):
got another put to have the hole, so we could
be back at all square if Phil doesn't make this put.
Otherwise he'll hold onto his one up lead. This is
the Doug Gottlieb Show. He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Dan buyer
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we can't make some picks. Five NFL, five College. It's
five for five, which does god, let's go five? Alright,
five college, five NFL. As you heard what we're gonna
do here. I'm gonna do one buck, he's gonna do one.

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I'm gonna do one buck. He's gonna do one ten total.
But we start with our five college football. So I've
got three in college football. Buck, he's got to NFL.
He's got three. I've got to We can take the
matchups that you could take spread or you could take overall.
So I've got Oklahoma, West Virginia. He's gonna pick the
Washington Washington State game, and so on. So if you're following,

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if you're driving around shopping, this is how it's gonna
go down. You heard Pete few Tech say that the
over under for Oklahoma and West Virginia was at eighty
five points. Heck, eighty five and a half is where
it currently sits for the game tonight in Morgantown. I
know it sounds crazy to take the over. That's why

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I wouldn't. I would take the under on this one.
There's no way. I know they gave up forty points
to can this last week, but Oklahoma has got to
have some sort of defense. With the number that large,
you have to at least take the under. In West
Virginia and Oklahoma sitting at eighty five and a half. Wow,
yeah right, you can't. You can't go over. I know,

(01:48:16):
like you're saying, Wow, it could be fifty one to fifty.
Look what the Chiefs and Rams just did. I just
don't think it would be smart. You gotta take the
under in that game. Wow. Okay. So I'm I'm Washington
at Washington State. The Apple Cup Apple Cup thirty oh.
Over under on that game is fifty point five mm hmm,

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fifty and a half. Fifty and a half people have
so for me, I think they get over that because
I think was WOS offenses dynamite. Washington will find a
way to score. Give me the over on that. And
if you go talking about the points right now, Washington
State two and a half, man, I think I'll take
the I think I'll take the cools on that. I
got the coops all the way. Look at that a

(01:48:59):
double up for Bucky Brooks giving you the double love
and the Apple Cup. How about them apples? Yeah, you
can say that, how about them apples cup? Alright? Alright,
the game tomorrow and Columbus Michigan and Ohio State. You
know what my heart is saying. Michigan is favored by
four and a half point the over under his fifty five.

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I wouldn't want to touch that, the Buckeyes being a
four and a half point dog. Give me the Scarlet
and Gray plus four and a half tomorrow against the
Mazon Blue. It's no way I'm going against the Scarlet
and Gray. Not gonna happen. Buck Eyes plus four and
a half tomorrow. Wow, guy, Yep, you got it. Some

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fandom right there. That's totally the hard saying. I will
say this, there was there was a time when I
shot off my mouth in high school when Ohio State
was gonna play Penn State, and I was peacocky around
saying bring it on, Nitney Lyons, bring it on. It
was in the final scores Pen State sixty three, Ohio
State fourteen. I learned then to not shoot my mouth

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off anymore. But I'll go with the buck Eyes just
because the heart is saying as much. That's okay, I
gotta I got a fun story to have to tell
you another time about going down the Clemson and going
to the bottom of the hill because you know they
rub rubbed the rocket down when I was in North
Carolina my senior year. My junior year, we ran to
the bottom of hill I did, waived him down and

(01:50:25):
told him come on down the hill and get this
tail kick in there. We waiting for you. Are waiting, yeah,
we're waiting for you because they had just lost to
wait for us the week before, so we were like, oh,
this is the year to get him. And they came
down the hill and I'm still tossing in turn of
that night for the beat down and they put on up.

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That's great, all right, Well someone who may get beat down.
We're looking at Notre Dame. At Southern Kale. The line
is eleven and a half for the Irish over under
is fifty four. I'm going under they won't scored a
many points because I don't think Southern Chao can score
many at all. And man, that line I would take

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Notre Dame because I think Notre Dame is going to
beat us sc down. I think they may beat him
down ante Clay Hilton's headsets. It's it's amazing on how
much of a foregone conclusion this game seems to be.
When Notre Dame got past Syracuse last week, spoke with
more than a couple of people saying like, well, they

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still gotta beat USC, and they'll beat Usc. They'll beat usc.
Usc of course lost the u c l A last week,
and yeah, that added to it, but the foregone conclusion
of the Irish winning Alright, Auburn is at Alabama in
the Iron Bowl three thirty Eastern time on Saturday. Alabama
twenty four and a half is the spread, The line

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is at fifty three. I just yeah, fifty three is
the over under the line twenty four and a half,
four and a half. Yeah, I'm just taking Alabama. Just
take Alabama minus half. I'm not even touching the You're
not going that spread is ridiculous. Four. I would be tempted,

(01:52:12):
you would be tempted to what take to Well, I'm
telling you not to take the Crimson Tide. I don't
care if what's the Iron Bowl. This team is unstoppable.
They they there was a reason they were tired of
Citadel at the half because they were looking ahead to Auburn.
There's no way after last year's lost to Auburn, there's
no way Alabama loses this the Tide roll. This is

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gonna be one of those they're gonna call this like
the the disaster Ofen and Auburn lore, just like they
do on the Clemson message boards. Like remember in when
Bucky Brooks was down at the bottom of the hill
telling us to come down, and we ran over North. Yeah, yeah,
pack it on down. That's what's gonna happen. Take the

(01:52:56):
Tide minus twenty four and a half. Awesome NFL action. Yeah, alright, NFL,
you're next up with the NFL on page two, Bucky
of your sheet. Yeah, that's why it's stapled. Yes, there's
two pages. Oh man, this is my favorite, my favorite
two teams. Here we go New York Giants at the

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Philadelphia Eagles five and a half. He goes our favorite
with an over under a forty seven. Any of those
tempting you and bring I'm gonna take the under because
I don't think either one of these teams can score
a lot of points. And if I was betting man
and I had to pick the Eagles over the Giants.
I think the Giants. Oh really, it's just it's just

(01:53:39):
a gut feeling. Odell Beckham shows up. I got the Giants.
I think the Giants in the point. Yeah, like yeah,
getting five and a half. Why not? Patriots and Jets
pretty ill today. Josh McCown's gonna start for New York,
so there's no Sam Donald and Ralph's gonna do some
other work with the lightning effects that has nothing to
do with the Patriots and Jets. This game is electric.

(01:54:01):
Give me the line is New England minus ten over
under forty seven. Give me the over on this game
more than forty seven. Yeah, I think Josh McConn is
gonna be able to put up some points, even though
they look like a mess when he started a week
ago or two weeks ago. Give me the over a
forty seven in this game. Oh, Pittsburgh and Denver, Bucky

(01:54:25):
you got that in the mile? Yeah? This is this
one is This one is tasty. We have Pittsburgh coming
in favored by three. The Broncos and Steelers, they gotta
combine forty six and a half points. I am going
to go with an over. I'm believing that Denver Risa
plays a really good game, but Pittsburgh's fire prowers too much.

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I think they get over at number. Green Bay and
Minnesota coming up on Sunday Night. Forty seven and a
half points is the over under with Minnesota favored by
three and a half. There's just something off about the Vikings,
and I know In Bay has had some troubles at Minnesota.
They played to a draw. I like Green Bay plus
the three and a half. Take the Packers on the

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road with a little bit more rest time coming off
of that Thursday game against the Seahawks. Jimmy Graham gonna
play despite the injured thumb. Give me green Bay plus
the points. And the final one, Bucky, you got the
Texans home to the Titans on Monday Night football and
over under of just forty one and a half with
the Texans favored by six and a half. Yeah, this
is the type one because I don't think there's a

(01:55:29):
lot of scoring in this when neither of these teams
are for lifting when it comes to offense football. I
would take the under on that one, but I would
go with Houston's the cover with the points for it
five there it is five NFL let's college five for
five with Doug Gottley. Alright, Doug's on here, so we
made the picks for him. So if we are awful,

(01:55:50):
we'll just add a Doug's total, and if we're great,
we'll just keep it ourselves. As simple as that. He's
Bucky Brooks. I'm Dan Buyer. This is the Doug Gottlieb
Show coming up here on Fox Boards Radio. A huge
injury in college football and could it be the end
of a career for an NBA superstar? All that coming
up next year on Fox Sports Radio. Be sure to

(01:56:11):
catch live editions of The Doug dot Leap Show weekdays
at noon Eastern three pm Pacific. He's Bucky Brooks. I'm
Dan buyerre glad to have you with us. The match
he's ongoing in Las Vegas. To get us up to
date on that and a whole lot more of other
news happening on in the world of sports. We bring
in Dr Ralph Irvin, the Press whatever, alf what's going on? Well,

(01:56:38):
we just had a patient coming today that had some
abrasions to his face. Oh hey, jeez, who's that? Well, well,
but Bucky, you ever want to punch a head coach
sometimes sometimes well that that didn't happen this time, but
Kirk Farrens sure looked like it because he took a
headbut from a player while celebrating their we over Nebraska,

(01:57:02):
and as he did his postgame interview, he had a
cut below his eye and was bleeding from a cut lip. Chee.
He it did. Now I'm seeing some of the stills
that have made their way. Oh man, nothing, geez. So
you know what, you know the worst part about it is,
you know, it was cold in Iowa City, so not

(01:57:24):
that you would want to be hitting the lip at
any point, but man, I once had a volleyball pull
like a backyard like a net that you have to
hold up a volleyball net. One of the poles like
fell over because it wasn't in the ground. Hit me
smack dab in the middle of my of the little

(01:57:44):
dip right between right and your nose, like right, smack damn. Yeah,
oh geez it hurt. And yeah, so I kind of
looked like Kirk Ferren's at at one point years back. Hey,
they got the win against Nebraska, right that they did?
That they did and I don't want to punch Kirk
ference No, that would be a losing battle. Uh, Tom

(01:58:05):
Brady didn't practice today. Of course, Sam Donald's not gonna
play this week as the Jets take on the Patriots.
Brady is expected to play, But you know who else
is expected to play? That's Rob Gronkowski just declared himself
good to go, Grons back. He's ready, He's ready to
take something to pressure off Josh Gordon. No truth to that.

(01:58:25):
Tom Brady was sick watching Jets film. That was. That's
a joke that I use all the time when a
good team plays a bad team and someone is sick.
So that's maybe why Tom Brady was out. He watched
too much film on the Jets. All right, thanks now.
The New York Daily News did run a picture this
week showing Bill Belichick and Tom Brady holding up a

(01:58:49):
manifestation of Rob Gronkowski calling it a weekend at Gronky's
like a weekend, to which Gronk and his press conference
did say, and I paraphrase because I dare not quote it.
I heard there was like some crazy weekend. Though at
my house, bleep gets crazy, I do, so he played

(01:59:12):
along weekend at Grons stand. Gronky is the arch nemesis
to stand Cronky the Ransom. I'm sure you can find
him on snap face or some yeah or something like that. Uh,
this was an interesting story. As we head into Tonight's
Apple Cup, several members of the University of Washington Marching

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Band are recovering after one of their charter busses flipped
while driving across state from Seattle. Tom Now and now
the band, you know, I mean, most of the injuries
are really minor. There's a couple of kind of severe,
nothing life threatening, but the band has said, no, we're
not going to perform. We we're gonna take care of

(01:59:54):
each other and not to go to Pullman. Yeah, that stinks.
I hope everybody is all all right with all of
that big game and just what slippery conditions I think
at least that's what it looked like. But yeah, hopefully
everybody in the Washington band is okay. Uh. Steph Curry
involved in an accident in Oakland as there was a

(02:00:14):
couple of cars that spun out in front of him
and he got hit by two different drivers. But he
is okay, well as okay as a guy who's injured
and not playing right now can be. There were did
you see any of the video on this buckie. It
was just a wet situation. Police report blamed the accident
on Draymond Green. I can make a joke, yeah, slippery

(02:00:40):
conditions and Draymond Green. No, no, it was I'm telling you, Draymond.
And there is no truth to the reports that Kevin
Durant is seeking another accident of his own. Stick to
the medicine. Stick to medicine. Leave the comedy alone, Ralph,
let's go, Let's go. Uh Bill's quarterback Josh Allen, he
is set to rich turn to face the Jacksonville Jaguars,

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and of course you know that means that great Jaguars defense.
And tickets were nine bucks for that game in Buffalo
on Sunday when everybody get is holiday holiday. Eight dollars
too much. Yes, that wasn't the Black Friday deal. There
wasn't No, that wasn't. Do you got any Kyrie Irving news, Well,

(02:01:25):
Kyrie Irving says that he doesn't want to play long
in the NBA. He's really committed to his career, as
you can tell. He says, I want to retire by
my early mid thirties at the latest. That is the
plan for everyone, Okay, That sounds like a millennial to me.
I I wanted to retire in my mid thirties and
and I'm forty one. It is yet to happen. I know.

(02:01:47):
It's a different situation with Kyrie Irving. That is everyone's
dream to retire in his mid thirties, but he was
to live his life. Hey, his goal is to travel
left to right across the globe. Hopefully it doesn't double
dribble across the globe. That was a it was a
traveling joke. Kyrie, though, you know, entered the NBA after

(02:02:09):
his freshman year at do Core, only played off of season,
so there's gonna be some miles on that as well.
The press the match, the match has has taken a turn.
Bill Michelson has led for most of the day. But
now when Eldrick Tiger Woods is one up in the

(02:02:30):
match in Las Vegas, as they play through twelve holes,
I think they're going to get the match in. But
there's only about ninety minutes left of daylight in Las Vegas,
so they'll have to They'll have to speed through this.
He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Dan Buyer. College football playoff. Yeah,
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(02:02:52):
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Heart Radio app. Search f s R to listen live. Well,
Phil Michelson is having a pretty good Black Friday. It
may not end that way, but he's just squared the
match with Tiger Woods through thirteen holes and on that

(02:03:12):
thirteenth hole one of three hundred thousand dollar bet with
Tiger for the closest to the pen. Yes, the match
in Vegas all square, Bucky, with five holes remaining between
Tiger and Phil. I there's no way anybody was going
to run away with this. I didn't think that Tiger
would be up by four holes. And and I'm not
saying that they that this this was staged, but this

(02:03:34):
has to have some drama coming down to the end.
Sound like it was stag Yeah, I guess maybe maybe
they deliberately kept the score now, Yeah, like he's not
gonna he's not gonna win eight and seven. And then
Bleacher Reports got you know, three hours to fill a
broadcast time. No, that's not gonna happen, but play the
last two holes for real. They're like, all right, let's

(02:03:56):
just play. Yeah, let's since her out here and we're
nowhere near the clubhouse. Why don't we just play the
rest of the holes on the way in. But Tiger
had a had a slight lead, but then Phil took
it back on the thirteenth hole. So they're all square
with five holes remaining. And as they said, there's there's
really about ninety minutes of daylight, so they are gonna
they are going to be able to get this in,
but sun will be setting in Las Vegas. And it's

(02:04:17):
another reason, by the way, that this match aired when
it did, because some said, well, why not air it
in primetime? You can't light up in eighteen hole golf course.
You can do it over at Woodley with the lights
on just down the street in southern California, or at
Vicense golf Land in Madison, Wisconsin, when the lights are
on the Part three course. You can do that there,

(02:04:39):
but you can't do that on an eighteen whole course.
That's why it's being played in the middle of the afternoon.
And it's heck, as we mentioned, sun goes down about
four thirty in Las Vegas, so you gotta get it
in before that. This was really the only time that
they could do it, and you don't want to go
up against the big college football weekend or an NFL weekend.
So today was the day that they did it day.

(02:04:59):
It was the day. So they got it done. What
are they getting it done? Yes? Who is going to
get it done? Tiger or Phil? You heard it there
from Bucky Brooks. He also got his picks in college
football in NFL a little while ago. Speaking of college football,
earlier on the show, we had one Pete fu Tech
joined us and one of the big headlines from college

(02:05:19):
football today involves u c F Central Florida, as the
Nights lost their starting quarterback Mackenzie Milton to a severe
leg injury. He had to be carted off so they
don't have Milton in their game for the rest of
their game against South Florida. Of course, u c F
w of Forum beatens at college football. They just cracked

(02:05:39):
the tent top ten in the most recent college football
playoff rankings. But soon after this injury happened, we were
joined by Pete Futech of College Football News dot Com
to talk about UCFS status and how they go forward
without their star quarterback. It's part of the equation. It's
supposed to be him. It is college it is you know,
the injuries are up part of how the committee is

(02:06:01):
supposed to evaluate these things. You know, if you don't
have your star player, it is supposed to be a
problem because it's not just about merit. It's about trying
to figure out who the four best teams are in this,
uh the tournament. So uh, even in chaos theory, you're right,
they're not getting in. I mean, they're just everyone's being
kind of mean about it, say, oh, well, so just happened. No,

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you're not gonna get in. But obviously that's it now.
Darryl Max a good backup, you played a couple of
weeks ago, and Milton missed the game, and so, uh,
the offense is still going to be solid, the defense
is still good. They're still going to end up winning
this game against USF and they'll probably take out Memphis.
But uh yeah, it's just not obviously the same team.

(02:06:43):
But again, it's this is shaping up now. It really
is all about kend The leaders kind of maintained, uh
not blow it from here on out because we kind
of know what the pecking order is gonna be and
tonight it's gonna be interesting if you want your chaos
thing to happen. Now with Texas being Kansas today, if
Oklahoma loses, it's not just out of a College football playoffs,

(02:07:05):
it's out of a Big twelve title game, so they're gone.
And then Washington it's got game against Washington, So two
key parts of this can get knocked out. Now. Alabama's
got Auburn tomorrow and then George and the SEC title game.
Clemson ends up taking on South Carolina and their traditional
rivalry game, and then they've got pit in the a

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SEC Championship game. You've got Notre Dame taking on USC
and then Michigan's got Ohio State and Northwestern. Now, those
are seven games that we talked about that are likely
to play a big role in the cod that will
play a role obviously in the College Football playoffs. But
if something goes awry in one of those games, it

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opens everything up for in Oklahoma, as Pete mentioned, or
for a Washington state that's got Washington tonight. It's just
hard for me to see a spot where and and
maybe it's because Alabama has been so dominant. I just
think that they win both games, whether it be against
Georgia or against Auburn tomorrow. I think Clemson ends up

(02:08:10):
winning both of those games. I made the argument to
you earlier. I think even if Clemson lost, I think
of what they did in the nonconference schedule, it warrants enough.
It really comes down to me, it seems that it's
Ohio State in Michigan, and if something goes awry there,
then that maybe opens the door for a Georgia or
a Washington State or or in Ohio State. But otherwise

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it's really just basically down to those seven games. Yeah,
I mean it's down it's down to like a handful
of teams they have a legitimate shot of being able
to do it. Um, there'll be some fall up obviously
from those big games that you talked about, the big
game Michigan, Ohio State. Um. Then coming down the pipe,
Alabama Auburn could be tough. Alabama Georgia in the SEC
championship game could be another loser leave Town match as

(02:08:57):
we refer to w W E. So, UM, there still
a movement that can be made. I think the big
thing would be what happens in Notre Dame when if
Notre Dame knocks off sc like everyone expects, they're done
for you. They don't have any other games. Does that
lock them in? Yeah, yeah, that they're an unbeaten They
are absolutely in. The issue that I see is more

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so even of Alabama in Georgia, is what do you
do if Ohio State beats Michigan then gets in the
Big Ten entitled game and goes and beats Northwestern is
Ohio State with a win against Michigan and with they
would have the one loss, the twenty nine point loss
to Purdue, but that win against Michigan would be one

(02:09:40):
of the better wins that you have. Again, it's a
Big Ten championship team that could be left out just
like they were a year ago of the playoffs, and
with the committee leave out the Big Ten back to
back years, they would have to go and that would
be quite a jump if from jumping from ten all
the way to the top four in what would be

(02:10:03):
you know, in in about a little over a week span,
because the the rankings will come out immediately after the
championship games on Saturday, they'll come out the next Sunday.
But that's a jump of six spots with a lot
of teams in between that would warrant someone. Yeah, but
but I think we're saying that with the extumption that
some of those teams ahead of them will kind of
come back to the pack. Um the Big not the

(02:10:24):
Big Game, but uh, Alabama Georgia could bring somebody back down. Yeah,
Georgia if they lose, could drop that Oklahoma was to
lose to West Virginia or if they go to the
title game and lose the Texas and the Big two
have title game, that will bring some more people down.
So as much as we say like we kind of know,
we really don't if we wanted to. After uh two

(02:10:47):
weekends from now, their their decisions are are going to be.
This is the committee's decisions. Is. If Michigan loses, they're
out there. They have two losses, they would lose to
two teams that would be in contention, and they wouldn't
be a conference champion because they wouldn't be in their
championship game. So Michigan would be out. Depending on what

(02:11:08):
happens with the Big Twelve, you would have maybe an
Oklahoma team sitting there being able to avenge their loss
against Texas, and that Texas game was on a neutral
field that that you had in October, so you could say, well,
it wasn't you know, it wasn't a home game. We
didn't get blown out of that game. Oklahoma would have

(02:11:28):
an argument, But then the question would be if, if,
if Alabama would lose to Georgia with Alabama not being
a conference champion. That seems to be what the committee
has hung their head on quite a bit in the past,
of of this is why this team deserves to be
You know this, this team didn't win a division that
that was the first time around with the TCU and

(02:11:49):
Baylor situation when an Ohio State got in. But you know,
Ohio State got in the year they didn't even play
in the Big Ten title game. Alabama got in the
year that they didn't play in the SEC championship game,
and that was last year. It's almost playing in that
championship game. I think it's bad for Alabama or Georgia
for they if they would lose, because that seems to
be something that would kick you out more than losing

(02:12:11):
in a regular season game. Because it didn't hurt Alabama
last year, and it didn't hurt Ohio State a couple
of years ago. No, it hasn't hurt like sometimes those
those brands are able to do it because they put
together quite an impressive resume. Uh, you know, it's unique
is challenging. Like I always say this that I would
prefer to see him have eight teams each of the
Power five champions plus three at large bids. I think

(02:12:33):
that would be a truer test because we see all
the teams in there. But that's neither here nor there.
We're gonna go with what we have. And when you're
looking at it, l s U has two losses already
Washington Station with one um the the l s U
look like. I understand that they lost on the road
at Florida and they lost to Alabama, the top ranked

(02:12:54):
team in the country. And I know that the Ohio
state produe laws isn't the same as an Alabama. LSU
lost because perdue as in Alabama, but they were they
were shut out at home twenty nine to nothing, So
it's it's just tougher. If that was their only loss,
I still would have a difficult time doing it because
it would say this is how much you know better

(02:13:17):
Alabama is. And I still think and and I argued
this last week here on the network that Alabama or
excuse me, Notre Dame's win over Michigan is not being
brought into the equation, and the only reason that it's
being brought into the equation is Michigan checks all of
the boxes outside of that head to head against Notre
Dame when they're being compared to the fighting Irish, they

(02:13:38):
like stronger schedule, they're like Michigan, but yet Notre Dame
beating Michigan on the football field, and that's the only
thing that is separating those two teams right now. So
if Notre Dame would end up losing, and it's amazing
to think that Notre Dame is the one that's getting
the short end of the stick in the rankings, but
if they were to lose tomorrow against USC, in my mind,

(02:13:58):
Notre Dame shouldn't drop out of the top four. They've
got the win against Michigan, who would also have be
a one lost team, and it's just if That's the
thing that messages with me is the committee can sit
there and look at a whole body of work, but
the one thing they ignore is the only thing that
we have tangible evidence that one team is better than
the other. And that's one team beating that other team. Yeah,

(02:14:20):
as it plays out that this would be it would
be chaos if Michigan got an over Notre Dame. If
Notre Dame loss, oh, I would because Notre Dame is
beating Michigan. Notre Dame has been outstanding, uh, but most
of the year, and so to lose in a hiccup
like rivalry game, it's understandable, but you can see why
it can't happen. So I would expect them to be
focused and intent and make sure that it doesn't happen. Uh.

(02:14:42):
If it did, though, man, that cut line, I guess
a little bigger. I'm just sitting I'm just sitting here
because there's so many possibilities. Oklahoma has a game that
is up for graphs, unless you has a game except
for graphs. The the the tricky one is the Alabama
Georgia because Georgia is sitting there in that five spot.

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If Georgia wins, they move up into the top four.
But the question is, yeah, how far does Alabama drop?
And now you're then comparing, Okay, it is is an
Alabama lost Georgia fair to Georgia to keep them in.
I mean if if Georgia just beat them and to
to allow an Alabama team. And that's where a loss

(02:15:25):
in the conference championship game seems to really hurt teams.
But a loss in the last regular season game of
the season didn't hurt Alabama last year. I I think
if Alabama lost to Georgia, I do think that they
would be knocked out. If everything stayed status quo. I
don't think that Michigan would drop out. I think Michigan
would go in. And then you can argue that Alabama
didn't win the SEC title because you would have conference

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champions in Clemson, Michigan, and Georgia, and then you could
just say Notre Dame wasn't beaten, so there and that's
how it is. That's how Alabama can stay out. And
that's pretty much how Alabama's could stay out of the
playoff for the last three weeks. He's Bucky Broke. I'm
Dan Buyer. This is the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox
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(02:16:09):
over at Bucky Brooks. Coming up next, it is Rivalry Weekend.
In the world of college football. But what is truly
the best rivalry in the game. We talked about it
next year on Fox Sports Radio. He's Bucky Brooks. I'm
Dan Buyer in for Doug today. Tario's gonna win Bucky.

(02:16:30):
There they are on top, beating u c l A.
In College hoops to seventy eight in the Battle of
the Baby Blues. We can put it out. So it's
a good uniform game U c l A against North Carolina,
but North Carolina survibes in Las Vegas. Also going on
in Las Vegas is the match between Tiger Woods and

(02:16:50):
Phil Michelson, all square through fourteen holes, a lot of
money being exchanged, but there is almost a bigger issue
than what happened on the course and what happened on
the TV screens and computer monitors across the country. We're
gonna get to that in about ten minutes or so,
but I want to tell you that today's show is

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brought to you by Geico. Fifteen minutes could save you
fift or more on car insurance. Bucket is Rivalry Weekend.
You are were a scout in the NFL. You played
in the National Football League, but obviously before that you
played collegiately for the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
You know about rivalries, You've you've gone to different stadiums.

(02:17:31):
Is there there? We've got the Apple Cup tonight between
Washington and Washington State. You've got Ohio State Michigan tomorrow
in Columbus. You've got Heck, we've got rivalries going on
right now. Civil War Oregon Oregon State. Is there a
rivalry out there that is just maybe I don't know,
off the radar, one that you didn't realize how intense

(02:17:54):
it was until you actually got there and saw what
was going on at the stadium. I say there too,
Two that I've had the pleasure of going to and
being like, WHOA, I didn't know it was this serious. Uh.
The Ohio State Michigan game. I went a few years
ago when Devin Gardener was a quarterback. Uh. They played
in the Big House. It was a game where Michigan
lost because they couldn't convert the two point conversion down

(02:18:16):
on their own end um riding up to the game,
and you know, before you think like okay, like they
add like didn't like each other, but the fans are
probably civil. No, they really don't like each other. Um,
there was a pregame fight. There's a fight before I
think there was a tackle maybe Mike Adams from Ohio
State games to it before the game, like a real fight,

(02:18:37):
like a real like, oh, they gave the birds when
he walked off. Yes, they really don't like each other.
So that was really really intense. I was surprised at
that because you hear it growing up in North Carolina,
Like you only have been exposed to that game by
seeing it on TV and you just don't know. Um,
the other time I went to I've been to usc

(02:18:59):
U c l A a couple of time, but Oklahoma, Texas,
Like when when you turn to horns upside down, I
was like, Oh, that's always cool, like horns down, horns down.
But yeah, yeah, that's that's really disrespectful that that game

(02:19:19):
is amazing and and and with the the fans split
down the middle at the fifty yard line, it is
a great scene at the cotton ball It is. It
is my favorite rivalry game to attend, outside of any
fandom that that I would have it is. I I
agree with you with that. The funny thing about the
Ohio State Michigan thing that you mentioned is the the

(02:19:44):
a T shirt was made with him giving the bird
as the h in Ohio. H Yeah, some some company
decided to try to capitalize on that and then end
up making that shirt. Yeah. I love Oklahoma. Texas is
I've been to a civil war. I've been to Oregon,
Oregon State. It's been about twelve years. It was at

(02:20:05):
Oregon State. It was it was the day after Thanksgiving.
I remember that. It's so unique because what we're seeing
right now in the game that's on Fox Sports one
is a dreary afternoon and that was one that that
I was at and it just, you know, brings back
memories of all, Yeah, this is what it was like
a rainy day in Oregon in late November with the
Ducks and Beavers going at it. I been to Georgia,

(02:20:28):
Florida a couple of times, and and that one is,
yeah in Jacksonville also where the stands are split. They're
split in the end zone, so the sidelines, whatever team
is on, that's the sideline of your fans. That is
a one. That's the one that I saw the most
angst within a student body, where where where the fans,

(02:20:52):
the young fans, the students of each school. We're so
into beating the other school and maybe it was just
this was this was an urban Meyer time. This is
also when Matthew Stafford was just coming on at Georgia,
so there were you know, the Florida was the big dog.
Georgia was hoping to be the big dog on the
block and it just didn't work out for them. That

(02:21:13):
was one. But I I am a little partial to
the Civil War just because it is so unique. And
I actually feel that the Apple Cup, which I've never
been to with Washington or Washington State, probably has that
same feel. It just doesn't reach out nationally the other
rivalry that will go down and that I've and I
have a close friend who is is a huge fan

(02:21:34):
of one of these schools and he tells me, and
I didn't realize is b y U in Utah that
the Holy War, the Holy War is is a lot
different than people would think. It is very intense. Um
just shot up in his chair because I have been

(02:21:55):
that it's like one of those things that you don't
think about it, but it is. And then they win
a couple of years where they didn't played, didn't play
each other, but man, very intense like forty minutes away,
uh and pull the opposites and in terms of the
schools and those things. But great Robberry, great matchup, very
very intense, one that is fun to watch from the outside.

(02:22:15):
There there there were a lot of there's a lot
of underlying themes, but there there was a point where
b y U players being from the Mormon School up
b y U and the Church of Latter day Saints
where they were saying that the Utah students and players
weren't living right like that is how yeah, that is

(02:22:37):
how deep it went. And so for a rivalry weekend,
it is one that may not be on the radars
of everyone, but b y U and Utah is one
that is a And I've never been to the game,
but I've read message boards, I've heard stories. It is
one that I think that that when teams aren't when

(02:22:57):
they're winning, yeah, it becomes a story. And because I'm
a game and I think I think game Day was
their years back when they were playing, but with a
change to the Pack twelve and b y U then
becoming an independent. There are a lot of different ways,
but when they meet it it is always something good.
He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Dan Buyer. It has been anything
but good for Tiger and Phil, but not on the course.

(02:23:20):
We'll tell you why after Ralph Irvin gives us the
latest of what's happening in a busy day in college football,
the NBA as well, and so much more. Hello Ralph, Hello,
and yes, a busy day in college football, featuring number
nine UCF continuing to lead at South Florida. It's seventeen
to three. Of course, the Nights without their quarterback Mackenzie Milton,

(02:23:41):
who left the game with a serious leg injury during
the first half. There's eight fifteen to play in Tampa
as again a u c F with a seventeen to
three lead over us F on the College hardwood. Well,
it went final, as you guys mentioned in Las Vegas.
Number seven North Carolina seventy eight winner over number seventeen

(02:24:02):
u C l A. The tar Heels outscored the Bruins
by twenty one points in the second half to get
that win. Number nine Michigan Cruise pass Chattanooga eight three
fifty five and they continue playing at Walt Disney World.
Number nineteen l s u A sixty seven sixty six
lead over Number fourteen Florida State. As they are late

(02:24:22):
in regulation, there less than thirty seconds to play again
in Orlando on the NBA Hardwood. Well, it went over
time at Staples Center, making it a little slow to
get that turn around for tonight's Lakers game. But anyways,
the Clippers were victorious one twelve, one oh seven over
the Memphis Grizzlies. And you mentioned the match, well, right

(02:24:43):
now it is all square as they play the fifteenth hole,
both players off the green, around the green at the
Phil Mickelson has made the most though of his wagers
that has him according to my tally sheet right here
bing MIMMI ming Phil plus four hundred thousands on the
side bets. But it is all square. Not all square

(02:25:07):
though with a lot of the people who paid to
watch it on the stream and otherwise. Thank you very much, Ralph.
And that's what we're gonna dive into here on the
Doug Gottlieb Show. He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Dan Buyer. I
was in Las Vegas on Tuesday for the press event
for Tiger and Phil with the press conference, and it
was a great scene at Shadow Creek and one of

(02:25:29):
the things that I have heard from a lot of people.
Whether I'm talking about golf, is me being somebody who
loves to play the game and loves being around it,
whether it be from golf people or non golf people,
is that Bucky? I hear a lot of well, why
is this for a pay per view? Why do we
have to Why can't you just put this? The Skins
game back in the day was on ABC. It was

(02:25:49):
a Thanksgiving tradition. It was something that you would watch. Well.
Phil explained in the press conference on Tuesday, saying, listen,
I'm gonna be Mike. Phils Tyre is gonna be Mike.
The caddies are gonna be Mike. If you have commercials,
it is you're not going to hear the interaction that
we have. It's you're not gonna be able to hear

(02:26:10):
what I'm saying to the caddy. You're not gonna be
able to hear what I say to Tiger. You're not
going to be able to hear when I make a wager.
It's just easier to make it up. Now there's a
lot of money flowing around, and whether you believe that
or not, that was the explanation. But it came down
to do you want to pay nine for this. What
we have found out is that there are a bunch

(02:26:31):
of people around this country and around the world that
didn't have to pay n it because of an extreme
computer glitch that did not allow people who purchased the
streaming rights for this match to watch it online. Whether
it was a problem with the app or if it
was the streaming site. There were complaints that people who
purchased the event that when they backed out of the app,

(02:26:54):
they couldn't bring the broadcast back. There are some including
you and I, who are trying to get the stream
up prior to the show that wouldn't allow the option
to do so. So Bleach your report decided to at
the last minute make the streaming of the Tiger and
Film match free to everyone. There's a colossal mistake for

(02:27:14):
for much. Yeah forward, so hYP you don't want to
see the technical difficulties, But I think this could be
um and a couple of different ways. A groundbreaking moment,
like a landmark moment when it comes to what you're
trying to do in the digital spear. Like when you're
looking at the broadcast, you see all of the betting

(02:27:35):
information being available up there. So when you think about TV,
and then with gaming and sports betting being allowed in
so many different states, ultimately what we could be looking
at here is the way TV will be presented in
the next few years. UM, when people become okay with
betting being a very big part of broadcast, much like

(02:27:57):
fantasy has been a big part of it, you now
start to have to think about the gambling aspect, and
that would be big and I think, look phenominal fee,
because I don't think was that much. UM. I still
think the exposure, the sponsorship and all of the stuff
out of this event will lead where there's Bleach Report
or other companies to try to take this platform and

(02:28:21):
to do something with it to make it a sustainable model.
It's a really good point. I didn't I didn't think
of it that way. And I'm curious through now see
if streaming numbers would exceed expectations because people found out
that you can watch this match for free. May I'm
sure that they had to have expectations on how many

(02:28:43):
times they would get a download or someone to stream it,
or how many times somebody would pay for the pay
per view. This is the other issue. This is my situation.
I have this I I have direct TV at home.
I purchased the event and recorded it because I knew
we were gonna be doing the show. Oh, I couldn't
hear the dialogue as we're sitting here talking and couldn't

(02:29:04):
be focused on the match as a whole and hear
with what Tiger and Phil are saying. So I went
back and I ordered it, and I taped it back home,
and I was full of being full aware that we
would probably have to purchase it here because you can't
buy it on one TV and then have it for
all your devices. What I'm curious to see what they
do now is what you do to the people who

(02:29:25):
did actually purchase the Basically, I'm just curious if I'm
gonna get my twenty bucks back, That's what I'm curious about.
But it's going to be something that is is going
to have to be addressed. But I actually think that
if this was good enough, or if you've got enough
streaming that you wouldn't have to put a pay per
view tag on it, that if somebody was willing to
put up enough money, maybe yeah. I mean, I think

(02:29:47):
I think there are a couple of different ways that
they can handle this going forward, But I do think
it's an experiment. I think, um, you want to kind
of see how it goes. How many people had interest
in an event like this before you go back and
do it. And you're right, it had been a few years.
It's been like a decade or even longer since they
had done kenned these Tiger one on one events because
he did a couple of them. Didn't go on with

(02:30:08):
David Duval. Yeah. Yeah, just down the road over at
Sherwood Country Club. Yeah. So I mean, look, it's the
thing that they want to bring back. Obviously, they has
to have some popularity behind it because people are tweeting
about it, they're talking about it enough people decided that
they wanted to pay for it, and so it'll be
interesting to see what the numbers come back and how

(02:30:30):
much I don't know, I don't say how much money
the company made off of it, but just the viewership
and if it's something that you can look at and
be like, look, if we corrected and expanded, it would
be something that could be big going down to road. Yeah,
this is this is maybe the big splash that they
wanted to make, but it's also maybe an opportunity that
for them to work out a lot of kinks and
if there is a way to do something, I'm not
sure how many more times Phil is going to be

(02:30:50):
playing in events like this. We know that Tiger's brand,
if you had a Tiger versus Rory, maybe that is
something as well. Although to be honest, it's it's tough
in my mind to see golf right now and and
think how could you get something bigger than Tiger and Phil.
It's kind of the Mayweather paqui ou where you were
waiting for it for so long or waiting for it

(02:31:11):
to happen, and then once it happened, it was just
everything else was maybe everything else? Yeah, well, I mean
similar to the Mayweather Coono McGregor thing. We've seen a
lot of things in the last twelve months to a
year where we've seen people have just said, look, let's
create an event. Let's see if we can make it
profitable and affordable or profitable for us, and see if

(02:31:33):
the public will consume it. And we have seen the
more and more of these events that go on, the
more the public says, yes, sign me up for that,
sign me up for a fight between a fighter and
a m M A guy who has never fought. Okay,
let's let me ask you this. This totally just free wheeling. Here.
Would you pay to see Tiger take on Tony Romo
with Tony getting some strokes? But I'm just saying him

(02:31:58):
because I don't know. I mean, I think, I think
what is interesting. I watched the little pro am event
that they do every year in Tahoe. Yeah, because I
am curious, like, man, what's really the difference? Because you
hear people talk about me, I want to go into
tour like Michael Jordan's. They used to talk about him
entertaining those thoughts until you see because a Carolina Davis

(02:32:19):
loved the third is a tar heel and he was like,
that is absolutely ridiculous. There's no way he could play
on the tour. It does, and so you want to
see the difference, like it's one of those things. It's
almost like when people go to NFL games to see
what pros look like. Well with golf, because we do
it recreationally. Yeah I probably could, but then you see, oh,

(02:32:39):
that's the difference. The guy who's a pro, he puts
it exactly where he wants to put it. Oh, Jacobson
who's on the call of the of the pay per
view has said, and he said this year is back.
He said, I have a better chance of playing in
the NBA than Michael Jordan does. Are playing on the
PGA Tour and Peter Jacobson is you know, six ft red,

(02:33:00):
you know at the time, a bit overweight and a
white guy in his late thirties early forties. It was
not going to happen for Peter Jacobson. But his point
was I'd be in the NBA before Michael Jordan would
be on the pH That's how big of the gap is.
But that's the novelty. And that's why I said, like
you'd have to give Tony Romo strokes, and you would,
but not so much of an of of a drawers.

(02:33:21):
It's so far fetched out there that it wouldn't be
realistic or would it be something that would actually I mean,
I wonder. I think imagine if you put like a
an all star quartet like a Forsom where like let's
say back in the day, it was a rat pack
because it was Jordan's uh, it was Charles Barkley, it
was Tiger and then I think Roy Green would hang

(02:33:42):
with them. But throwing another sub Roy out and put
another notable name. Would people pay the watch them play
or whatever, however they used to get down, however they
used to play when they were playing for fun or whatever,
like those kind of things. If you could create an
event with star power to see the differences between the
pro or whatever. Tiger out, they're looking like me though
he keeps in these buckers. Yeah, I just there's there's

(02:34:04):
there's got to be something. I don't think this is
going to be a one off because I think that
there's enough money for them to do it again. It's
just how do you do it again and make it fresh?
Because that was part of the problem with the first
time around was you try to do different formats. You
try to be like, Okay, who's gonna take on Tiger
this year? Will it be will it be David Duval
or is it gonna be Sergio Garcia? Or let's make

(02:34:25):
up teams and let's bring in yeah, yeah, different one
of Lee Travino playing one year, as they were doing
teams and you make them up and then you put
the lights on to try to make it a primetime
event and that that stuff is all right, but it
got it got old after a while. There wasn't much there.
But I'm just curious to see on how much this

(02:34:46):
can expand, because I just don't think you can. Maybe
Jordan's speak has enough of a name, Maybe Rory McLeroy does,
maybe a Dustin Johnson does. But I still think that
there's enough of a question when you just have Tiger
and Phil in the draw of it, and of those
two guys that we never saw, it's just it's I

(02:35:07):
used to gets tough for this the top. I don't
know what else you could put on the marquee unless
he went completely outside the box and made it appealing.
We'll see how they come up with something new. Phil
is now taken the lead on Tiger went up through
fifteen holes three holes to play at Shadow Creek. Phil
even himself said that he thought he was going to
close it out on seventeen. He said that on the

(02:35:29):
HBO special they're playing sixteen right now. We'll see if
Phil was a profit or not. Coming up next on
the Doug gott Leave Show, it's week twelve in the
National Football League. Bucky gave me some tips on how
you can make a profit on the NFL with his
with his picks against the spread, a little bit earlier,
but we dive into the big matchups and what could

(02:35:50):
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(02:36:11):
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dot com for a free rate quote. News in college
football today, Mackenzie Milton, the quarterback of UCF, suffered a

(02:36:32):
serious leg injury in the first half of their game
against the Bulls right now seventeen to ten. Late in
the third quarter. Of course, UCF unbeaten, but it did
look like a very serious injury for Mackenzie Milton. We
also have some breaking news in the world of the NFL.
Breaking news from Fox Sports. Let's go over to the

(02:36:52):
news desk with Ralph Irvin well sad news from the
NFL where the Houston Texans announced that their owner Bob
Bob McNair i today at the age of eighty one.
He originally paid seven hundred million dollars to the NFL
for his franchise fee back in nineteen but in recent
years had battled multiple forms of cancer. Again. He died
today at the age of eighty one. His son, Cal

(02:37:15):
who has been working in management with the Texans, is
expected to take over operations of the team. Wow, that
was knew that there was some health issues, but did
not realize that this was the state of it. And
he was the one to bring the city of Houston
back to the National Football League twenty some years ago,
and in bringing the Texans back in and um was

(02:37:38):
an influential owner in the National Football League. And Bob
McNair passing away the the you have the Paul Allen
passing with the Seahawks. Now Bob McNair, you had Alex
Spanos passed away. I mean it's and he wasn't Dean
Spanos was doing the the Chargers work. But when even
recently like thinking about Tom Vinson passed from the New

(02:38:00):
Orleans Saints. We have a changing of the guard when
it comes to ownership in terms of, uh, the older
guys are kind of moving on and family members are
having to take over those franchises. And I mean you're
gonna see like a younger, maybe a hipper owner started
emerging in the league, and it'll be interesting to see
how it changes. I think the big thing coming down

(02:38:23):
to horizon with the CBA negotiations a couple of years away. Um,
what can we expect when the players and the owners
have to get together and kind of put together a
new collective bargaining agreement? And uh what it is sticking points?
Who are the influential voices in the room before that
old guard? That old guard could kind of put a
strangle hole on the negotiations. We'll see how it goes

(02:38:45):
now that some of those guys are no longer around.
He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Dan Buyer. This is Fox Sports,
Ready and things. To Ralph for that breaking news and
a quick update from the match. They're playing the seventeenth hole.
Philm Michelson one up on Tiger Woods. It was on
this whole that Phil predicted the match would end on
the HBO Special seven. If Phil wins this hole over Tiger,

(02:39:09):
he would win the match on the seventeenth holes. So,
as I mentioned, Phil would seem to be a prophet.
I'm also curious to hear the conversations that have gone on,
because I would have to think as the match got
moving along, and then conversations, yeah, yeah, exactly that you're
not you're not being as chummy and and uh, Phil

(02:39:30):
is hit a pretty good shot to the part three seventeen.
People were saying Phil is the underdog, but he was
the guy to bet on because he would love this.
The question is, now can Tiger answers It looks like
Phil is within about twelve feet. He stuck it. I mean,
unless Tiger's gonna put it in the hole, he stuck

(02:39:51):
it right on. The match could be concluded here. I mean,
Tiger just needs to at least try to force this
to eight. He doesn't have to. Yeah, he doesn't have
to win the whole, but he just can't lose it
to at least still have a chance in the match. Now,
the NFL season moving on, We're in the week twelve,
and we're deeper in because of the three games that

(02:40:13):
took place on Thursday, a couple of good matchups, But
there are other intriguing affairs in the National Football League. Seattle,
like Carolina, is an interesting one just because of the
wild card implications. You've got You've got the Vikings and
Packers out there, but they've got their tie, so that
you know that either puts them a half game back
or a half game up. Seattle and Carolina both fighting

(02:40:35):
for their lives. Of Seahawks stayed in the wild card hunt,
I think with their win against Green Bay last week
is they're sitting there at five and five. You got
the Panthers at six and four. But a road game
in Charlotte for the Seahawks on Sunday, Yeah, that's tough.
I really like what the Seahawks are doing. Pe Carroll
is trying to turn back the clock. Uh lean on
the running game. They're the only team that runs it
overtent at a time in the National Football League. They

(02:40:57):
got three running backs with three hundred yards. They make
it very, very tough for you because they're physical, they
hitch in the mouth, and they play a smash mouth style.
I like what they can do going on the road
in Carolina. The Packers are on the road in Minnesota
to take on the Vikings. I mentioned that TI green
Bay four five and one, Minnesota five four in one.

(02:41:17):
There's there's just something off about Minnesota and and they
finally got Dalvin cookback last week, so him, Stefan Diggs,
and Adam Feeling were on the field. You talked a
bit about Kirk Cousins. It is a home game for
Minnesota hosting green Bay coming up on Sunday night, But
you would have to think, especially if Green Bay loses,
I'm not sure how they would recover from this. So

(02:41:40):
he must win. For the green Bay Packers coming up
on Sunday, you must win now and never lose and
go home. When there at the point where these games
begin to matter, their urgency kicks in. Uh. There's a
different field of different intensity for the green Bay Packers.
They have to get it done. Mike McCarthy has to
figure out how to fix this offense, all these young
players having to play. He has to fix and put
him in roles, find a way to be productive on offense.

(02:42:01):
Can the Giants continue this winning streak against the Philadelphia Eagles.
Odell says they're gonna go nine and seven. So far,
he's two for two on his predictions. Yeah. Absolutely, they
played well against the Philadelphia Eagles. They matched up will
Last year when Eli Mannet was playing awful, he played
well against the Eagles. That was one of the reasons
why they kept him around. I think this can be
a really good game for the Giants, and if they

(02:42:21):
continue to just stack these dubs together, who knows where
they will sit at the end of the race. They're
inching their way back into this race, but they have
to get this game against the Philadelphi and the the
final one because I think it's put up or shut up,
and they've put up a bunch of the season. The
Pittsburgh Steelers in Denver, the high Altitude, taking on the

(02:42:41):
Denver Broncos a week after the Broncos had a huge
win against the Chargers and the Steelers had a huge
win against the Jaguars. Yeah, this is a tough game.
It's tough game, Uh, but the Steelers because I think
what we saw last week from the Jacksonine Jaguars, Uh,
it's kind of a preview to how teams would start
to play him. Now that you know that James Conner
is going to have to be the guy to carry
the load. People are gonna hone in and they're gonna

(02:43:02):
make sure that they take care of him. Bottle them up,
and see if he can be the guy that can
overcome some of the heavy lifting, do some of the
heavy lifting their lab bell used to do. I don't
know if he can get it done. This is a
tough came on the road. I think I'm leaning towards
the Broncos. Interesting because I'm leaning towards the Steelers because
I think Pittsburgh's the anti Falcons. The Falcons who who
they are, who we thought they were, and they showed

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last night against the Saints. I like the Steelers to
make a statement and beat Denver coming up on Sunday.
This has been fun this week. It has been a
lot of a lot of radio, a lot of talking.
It's been good and it will continue with you tomorrow
and meet Sunday here on Fox Sports Radio. Jonas and
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