Best of The Doug Gottlieb Show: 11/26/2018

Doug tells you why Baker Mayfield was out of line with his post game comments about former head coach Hue Jackson and why franchise QBs should always take the high road. He also thinks Ohio State’s win over Michigan says a lot more about their season than it does about Jim Harbaugh and Michigan. Plus Super Bowl Champion and NFL analyst Trent Dilfer joins the show to give his thoughts on the Baker Mayfield situation and whether Aaron Rodgers deserves some blame for the Packers' sluggish offense. 

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you guys are aware, this is like a quick quiz.
I was doing this with a buddy of mine. I'm
gonna get to the NFL Becker Mayfield, the Green Bay Packers,
the Minnesota Vikings and Kirk Cousins and why he's actually
properly compensated. Have to reset that. Um, why no Duke,
no organ Zaga will beat the Cavaliers. Got a lot

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to get to. But this is kind of interesting, right
among the things that people don't seem to know, They
just don't know in uh, in sports, Like a lot
of people until the Astros reached the playoffs. Maybe until
they reached the World Series, most people would not known
or kept up with, like, wait, the Astros in the

(01:24):
American League. Yeah, yeah, Hell, there are people that don't
didn't know until this year that the Brewers were in
the National League. Did you know they played three on
three hockey in overtime? Did you know that used to
be four on four now it's three on three. And
here's one that I guarantee you don't know. When I

(01:44):
say welcome in, we're coming to you from beautiful sunny
Los Angeles, California. Did you know that there's a first
place NBA team in this market? Did you know it's
the Clippers? Right? Like, I bet you didn't know that.
Not that at lasts not that I mean to win
a championship, but it's at least interesting, at least interesting. Man,

(02:07):
do we have a lot to get to, a lot
to get to? All right, let's start with Baker Mayfield. So,
Baker Mayfield plays arguably his best game as an NFL player,
and he does so against the Cincinnati Bengals. It should
be pointed out that everybody seems to be playing their
best game as professional player against the Cincinnati Bengals. I

(02:30):
called my first game up played by play on radio
two weeks ago, or actually it was three games ago,
three two and a half weeks ago. Whatever, it was
the New Orleans Saints against the Cincinnati Bengals, and the
Saints did not punt, did not punt the entire game.
They fired their defensive coordinators shortly after that game. Then

(02:52):
they faced the Baltimore Ravens, who were coming off of
a bye, and they started Lamar Jackson and Lamar Jackson
and the Baltimore even's gotta win. And then Baker Mayfield
came in and laid down a haymaker as they smashed
the Cincinnati Bengals. Why is that? Because Cincinnati Bengals suck.
They're not good at football, especially on the defensive side,

(03:14):
and they're not much better on offense without a j Green,
without any Dalton, who kind of like Joe Flacco, has
been exposed to be everything we thought he would be,
as you know, slightly better than what you'd normally get
out of a second round pick at quarterback, but not
a star quarterback. And the Bengals are who we thought
they were, and maybe even worse than the defensive side

(03:35):
so Baker throws nineteen four touchdowns, no interceptions, the hell
of a game, and they seem they seem to be
all on the same page offensive, which is why a
coaching change was made. I remember, it wasn't just because
they were bad and losing close games. It was because
Hugh Jackson there then head coach and Todd Halley there

(03:56):
then offensive coordinator couldn't seem to coexist. And so instead
of picking sides, the owner and the gentlemanager came in
and said, guess what, You're both fired. So after having
a three touchdown known reception performance in a win against

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Atlanta Falcons two weeks before coming off of a bye
and getting the Cincinnati Bengals and by the way up
at the Bengals getting two straight divisional opponents both coming
off a bye. Like, look, I don't think that they're
very good, and Cincinnati a matter of fact, I think
they're awful. But man, that almost feels like unfair scheduling
that way we have to go back to back weeks

(04:37):
off teams coming off of a bye. Wow. Anyway, he
follows up three touchdowns non receptions with four touchdowns no
own receptions, and then there was that weird, and we've
all been had this moment, right, women do this thing
and couples do this thing. When you do I do

(04:57):
I do this side cheek kiss thing, that is just
it's just all kinds of awkward. Who invented that? I
want to know good inventions. Back shoulder throws, that's a
great invention. The defense is playing on the goal on
the end zone side defensively, right, they're worried about the

(05:18):
ball being thrown over the top. So Phil Sims told
me that he was the first to do the back
shoulder throw. Some people said, it's damn reno. Obviously guys
have perfected it now in the National Football League. We'll
talk about Aaron Rodgers as good at back shoulder thrower
as always as there is. Some people get credit for
back shoulder throws because they're inaccurate and they don't have
much of an arm. But regardless of which, back shoulder throw,

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great invention, great invention. But the side cheek kiss. Who
started that? Either you're comfortable enough in your current relationship
and the person you went on a couple's date with
to kiss somebody else on the cheek Euro style all right,

(06:02):
or go straight in there for the lips or shake
hands or maybe hug it out. But there's nothing as
uncomfortable as somebody coming up to you like they're going
to kiss you, only they kind of kiss your cheek
but don't actually kiss their cheek. And that somehow is
a way of saying hello with somebody who's a friend
or the wife of a friend. You guys know what what
I'm talking about. Is there a name for that thing?

(06:23):
I don't know. The male equivalent of the side cheek
kiss thing is the bro hug is the is the
the shug if you will, right Like, I shake hands
and I come on, come on in. That's not that's
not bringing it in and hugging it out. Hugging it
out is hugging it out. That is. I I shake hands,

(06:44):
but you're a little bit better than shaking hands is
so formal. Let's kind of let's get in there and
give a little pat in the back and then we're good.
That's all Hugh Jackson went for. Hey man, congratulations, great job.
That's all he went for. Baker wouldn't having it all right,
it's awkward. Afterwards, he was asked about Hugh Jackson, who's now, um,

(07:06):
he's not even assistant coach. He's like an advisor to
the Cincinnati Bengals, a team that he used to be
their offensive coordina with, and Baker had this to say,
left Cleveland goes down to Cincinnati. I don't know. That's
just somebody that was in our locker room asking for
us to play for him and then goes to a
different team we played twice a year. Everybody can have
their spin on it, but that's how I feel. Yeah,

(07:28):
Todd feel. He went on to double down and whether
it was Todd Haley or Hugh Jackson or both, he
said that you know the difference in the offenses now,
we have guys calling plays who believe in us, which
is a shot across about Hugh, because the thought in
since in Cleveland, and the thought obviously with some of
the players is what Hugh Jackson said when he said, Hey,

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I never got to run the offense I want because
I didn't get the players I want. That's a shot
at the players. And so this is Baker's in This
is Baker in defense mode, protecting not only himself but
also his teammates. Here's the problem with it. In an
effort to defend his teammates and say what he honestly

(08:12):
believes to be true and to be clear about his
thoughts and not be politically correct. He actually made Hugh
Jackson into a sympathetic figure, because the truth is, if
we really want to get into the truth, there's a
lot about Hugh Jackson's tenure in Cleveland that even Baker
is not privy too. Like the year before, when there

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are quarterbacks like Carson Wentz taken at the car started
of the draft, when there are quarterbacks like Mitch Drabinsky,
who grew up in the state of Ohio, taking to
the top of the draft and the Browns did not select.
There are quarterbacks like Pat Mahomes taking in the draft
and the Bengals, ex give me the Browns did not
select them. So while we all internalized comments made generally

(09:00):
that's just what we do. Hey there, guy, we didn't
have the guys who want Baker thinks you're talking about me,
you're talking about my guys. Maybe it's just that the
year before he actually wanted to take Pat Mahomes and
for a front office said now we're not doing that.
We're going in another direction here, make it work with
the Shaun Kaiser. Congratulations, you won to Shaun Kaiser. But

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look this, this whole, uh, this whole, and this this
really goes down to the Trump thing, comes back to
the Trump thing. So many of you are so tired
of political correctness that when somebody says something that you
believe to be honest, no matter how spiteful, no matter
how venomous, no matter how derogatory towards somebody else, you go, well,

(09:44):
at least it wasn't politically correct. Let's you say, but
there are some jobs, there are some moments where decorum
is needed. Right, decorum is needed. Somebody dies, you don't
talk about their side piece the day they die. Well, yeah,
he really was negative father, Okay, ah, I mean heck,

(10:07):
George Steinbrenner dies and nobody mentioned the fact that he
was kicked out of baseball because of what he did.
Did Dave Winfield? No, because he dies and you're like, well,
you know, he was a rich guy who tried to
ruin Dave Winfield and it did take him, you know,
like two decades of losing and throwing money and stuff
before he lucked into Derek Jeter and Marian Rivera and

(10:29):
then he you know, they bought a bunch of pictures
and won a bunch of world series and somehow now
we revere him. Nobody said that when he died. Why
because when somebody dies, there's moments where you have to
take a breath and have decorum. That's really the issue
with the president on Twitter. It's like, look, even if
that's really how you feel, dude, you're the president. You
represent all of us. That's not the language and style

(10:50):
by which you should be representing us. Whether you agree
or disagree with what he's saying, that is a moot point.
And when a guy gets fired in the end FL
he got fired, and let me explain how it works,
not just the baker, because he doesn't seem to care.
He's running rough shod over anybody who's showing sympathy towards

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Hugh Jackson. I don't think Hugh Jackson is a good
head coach. I didn't think it would work Initially, I
didn't think it would work in Oakland, and I didn't
think it will work because I talked to enough people
in the NFL are like, you know, good offensive guy,
not really head coach. And if you watched Hard Knocks,
you're like, yeah, it probably makes sense if you lose
not one, but two different head coaching jobs in the NFL,

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everybody can fail once. People think Belichick failed was failing twice.
You're not gonna be a head coaching yet. So you
got like thirty teams. Now you can choose him because
you're not gonna go from being head coach to being
an assistant coach with the same team, not going back
to Oakland. It's now you down to thirty thirty jobs.

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And either way, if you saw him on TV when
he tried to do the Hugh Jackson tour, it wasn't
like you like, hire that guy on TV. So he's
supposed to not go back to Cincinnati where he's coaching
with a friend who was also probably gonna lose his job.
Like Hugh Jackson's gonna run the rare double of getting

(12:20):
fired as a coach twice in one season, although you
never know. It's Cincinnati. They're so weird. They may give
Marvin five more years after this disastrous season because A J.
Green got hurt. We just don't do this. You don't
do it in business. Guy gets fired, you take the
high road. Well, I'm just so tired of coaches and

(12:41):
coordinators and players being politically correct, like that's cool, that's cool.
Would you really like Hugh Jackson to tell you everything
that went into drafting Baker and all of the reason
that they didn't let Baker take snap with the ones
to start the year. I'm sure if he wants to,

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he can find some negativity that not every day in
dealing with another human being, especially one who appears to
be as immature as Baker Mayfield is, he can find
some negativity. But he didn't, and an effort to defend himself,
he made himself look foolish and or maybe in an
effort to to tell the truth about why Cleveland never
got off the ground, he's like, look, I never got

(13:24):
the guys that I wanted. And because he wasn't specific,
and many of the interviews didn't ask him to be specific,
guys who are still there, Like, oh, that's messed up.
But this happens all the time. And for a guy
who has been the least successful coach in the history
of the sport, he's gonna take any job. And oh yeah,

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by the way, players get cut all the time and
usually the first people to call him are people in
their division. Does he get a little information, Oh yeah,
by the way, at some point he must have done
something that was a value you for the other franchise
to hire him to begin with. But to me, it
just strikes me as Look, Baker Mayfield is one of

(14:08):
these guys that has been told he couldn't for a
long time, and it's an unbelievable story. Yes, I know
he had scholarship offers that he turned down to walk
on at Tech, and I know that he didn't have
a scholarship waiting for him when he returned to Tech. Now,
it should be pointed out that they had this kid

(14:28):
named Pat Mahomes coming in who turned out to be
pretty damn good, and maybe, just maybe Cliff Kingsbury was like, look, dude,
I'm gonna put you on the scholarship. I got I
have Davis Webb, I got Pat Mahomes, Like, I don't
need another quarterback to compete. Sorry, thanks, appreciate it. And

(14:48):
he but it's not even I understand that Baker Mayfield
was told no time and again, and he has all
of these chips on his shoulder and he and he
was drafted number one overall the people like me saying, hey,
I think Sam Donald's actually a little bit better, even
though Baker Mayfield's really good. But this is not time

(15:10):
to put all those chips out on the table and go.
You didn't believe in me. You won a game, you
played great, Your former coach came in for that awkward
shake hug thing and you kept it not even his
friends gentlemanly and shook him and shook his hand. All right,
hey man, we thank him for his time here. I

(15:31):
hope things work out from well in Cincinnati. We're on
to whoever they play next week. He showed himself like
Kevin Durant, to be totally insecure, to have rabbit ears,
and instead of being above it, he was below it
and an effort to defend himself and his teammates, he
actually made Hugh into a sympathetic figure, even though the

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truth is you can't coach, can't be head coach, can't
do it, It won't happen yet, and beggar can play.
But man, you showed that that's that's that's just a
bad look. You just don't do it. People get fired.
You have to show sympathy and empathy, and he did

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Trent Dilfer is a Super Bowl champion at Quarterback Group.
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I want to get around the league. I want to
talk about Andrew Luck, a game I got to call

(16:36):
in person yesterday, Philip rivers Um tied an NFL record,
and I want to talk about what happened in Jacksonville. First,
first of all, happy holidays to you, Trent. Thanks for
joining us. Always fun to Okay, So Baker Mayfield goes
and lights up since THATNY Bengals shouldn't be a surprise.
Everybody lights up since Andy Bengals. They are terrible defensively.

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After the game, he says, this left Cleveland goes down
to Cincinnati. I don't know. That's just somebody that was
in our locker room asking for us to play for
him and then goes do a different team we played
twice a year. Everybody can either spin on it, but
that's how I feel. That's how that's how I feel.
He went on to say, you know, we're playing better
offensively because we have a coach who believes that we

(17:20):
have guys playing calling plays that believes in this. Clearly
he's bothered by what Hugh Jackson said when he was
on First Take. He must watch First Take because he
tweeted at First Take earlier today. What's your reaction to
how Baker's handled the whole thing? It's who he is.
I think that's what people need to understand it. And
this is Baker's history. And when he was seventeen years old,

(17:41):
he's out at Lead eleven Regional in Dallas, and he
still pissed at me to this day that I didn't
put him in the number one throwing line because he
was a short, little pudgy kid that was just okay
at the time. And he he carries any amount of
bitterness that he can to create a chip on his shoulder,
and it's made him fantastic at what he does. And

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I think the bigger picture here is do we take
that out of guys DNA and reduced him to something
that is less than who they are, or do we
allow him to be who they are? In trust at
and thirty and thirty two, you're a little more mature
and you don't quite carry quite the chip that you
do it say, twenty two years old. UM, I have

(18:23):
no problem with it because I I understand who he
is now. I don't think Drew Brees would have done
that because he's older, he's more mature, and he's not
does down the same d n A. But what if
we would have taken the chip away from Tom Brady?
Would we have Tom Brady? What if Aaron Rodgers didn't
play with the same type of swag and arrogance or coconus,
whatever you wanna call it, Would we have Aaron Rodgers?

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What if Philip Rivers wasn't allowed to be demonstrative and
um act out the way he does, What do we
have Philip Rivers? I just think it's very dangerous when
you try to make every quarterback a robot something we
want them to be. I'm not trying to make in
a row butt, but in the reality of professional sports,
when you lose a job, you'll you'll take any job,

(19:07):
especially one with a former boss, right Like That's the
reality of it. And there's also the reality of Baker
clearly bothered by the head. I didn't have the guys
that I wanted to run my offense. He personalizes that
when he has no, he doesn't. I don't think he's
conceptualized that. He's probably talking about the year before when
he wanted to take one of the quarterbacks and they
decided to give him to Shaun Kaiser. We see how

(19:27):
that worked out, right, So, um, I think that not
understanding the reality of it, and that maybe for a
guy who has been told no, he doesn't maybe understand
what it's like to be fired and that's really and
and to not have empathy and sympathy. While I understand
that that's what can energize you every day at work

(19:48):
and make him into a great quarterback, it can also
make it where the league turned is turned off to you,
and you you need to bring people in, even if
you're trying to defend your own teammates. Well. I think
he may turn off the media. I think he may
turn off some people that were not Baker fans to
start with. But it's not going to turn off the
people in the organization. It's not going to turn off

(20:10):
the people in his locker Room's not gonna draw off
the people that matter. And I think that's one of
the gifts Baker's always had is he's not politically correct,
and in this situation, he is irrational and he is wrong.
I agree with you, but it's part of his makeup.
It's part of his genius to a certain extent, because
it rallies those around him. He didn't care what other

(20:32):
people thought when he planted the flat, but he knew
what that would do internally. He has this incredible innate
ability to bring people that matter to him closer, that
bring teams closer. I live in Austin, Texas now where
he went to high school. They tell the exact same
stories about him when he was in high school. Nothing

(20:55):
has changed. And that's part of his gift is that
he doesn't give a rip about what you think about
what I think when say what Bill Pollan says or
any other person says. All he cares about is the
people that matter to his success, his team, his program,
his organization. People Oklahoma, people of Texas Tech will say

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the same thing everywhere he goes. It's the same mantra,
and some people don't like it, but it works for
Baker Mayfield. Trent Dilford joining a Super Bowl champion quarterback.
You can find him on Twitter at Dilfer's Dimes doug
Out the show Fox Sports Radio. Um, it's hard to
to what what What I think so many people in
my position do is they cherry Piccistat and say he's

(21:40):
better now than he's ever been, because almost all the
quarterbacks are better now than they've been. Some of it's
because of how the game is officiated, how the game
is played, etcetera, etcetera. But I saw Philip Rivers against
an Arizona team that's decent defensively, and he goes twenty
five of how is it possible at his age that

(22:04):
he seems to be playing better football. Well, there's a
couple of things. He always has done the hard stuff
really well. Phillips number one crutch over his career as
he's trying to put the Superman cape on too often.
He's tried to single handley win the game, make decisions
that were risky, and he has kind of that was
his DNA growing up. That's how I was coaching college

(22:27):
his first years in the NFL, had very aggressive passing
schemes that kind of train that into him. Um. I
think over year, over the years, you learned discretion, You
learn that your play caller has a vision for every play,
and you're not necessarily having to win the game on
that play. And what I see in philip rivers game

(22:47):
is he still makes the dynamic corner throw. He'll still
throw a dig early, He'll still throw an outbreaking cut
in the tightening coverage low and away. He still does
the high impact stuff, but he picks spots. He's way
more judicious with it. He is far more discernment. He's
willing to throw the ball short and let the runner
go do it. He's playing based off the defensive looks.

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Another thing Philip would too forever was he bought into
the Dan Marino philosophy there's no defense for a perfect throw.
And that is true. There is no defense to defend
a perfect throw. I remember Dan saying that at practice
years ago, and we practiced against someone as in Tampa. However,
if it's not perfect, there are defenses that can make
you pay for making certain types of throws. What Philip

(23:31):
is doing now is he's picking the defense where an
aggressive play works, and if it's not that defense, he's
getting his eyes down quick. I've never seen his eyes
dropped faster. He used to be a guy that read
everything deep to short. Now he's a guy that he's
reading it deep as he's dropping. But many times, by
the time his backfoot is in the ground, his eyes
have already dropped down. Found a safer outlet, and let

(23:55):
that guy go do the work. Um. Okay for joining
us in the Doug Gotli show. You are a quarterback guru,
You're in a football savant. I'm somebody who simply loves
the game and watches the game a ton. Okay, So,
but what I saw in that Pittsburgh play the r
P O which um which they ran? Can I can

(24:16):
I tell you the biggest flaw in the RPO? And
and again this is just basketball, guy, but I do
know I know a little bit away less than you
do about football. The running back was on the wrong side.
See when when he has he because the running backs
on the right side and the wide receiver run the
slant is on the left side. He his eyes have

(24:38):
to look at the running back and the defense and
the defensive end on the right side, and he can't
see the wide receiver or the defensive lineman dropping back
into coverage. I don't know whether his decision would have
been would have been made differently, but I do think
that there was a flaw in that play from the
outset and having the running back on his right instead

(25:00):
of his left side was a fundamental flaw. Fair hut
a percent. Fair. I had did not catch that when
I watched it, So you just educated me. But you
are a hunt a percent right. The other thing I
have a problem with, and this goes back to the
c L Seahawks Super Bowl against New England Patriots. I
pray and I console it with offensive coaches all over
the country from high school to college whatever, and we

(25:22):
talked about tight red zone passing. It's one of the
biggest points of conversation because it's so hard to throw
the ball into the end zone in the tight red zone.
And I've always been a believer, why would you throw
it in the middle of the field on the first
and second and third down if you know you're gonna
go for it on fourth. If you're not gonna go
for it on fourth, then don't throw in the middle
field on first and the second down. There's so much

(25:43):
danger lurking in the tight red middle of the field
that on paper and in practice when you're not going
full speed, those plays look really good. But how often
do we see unless just thrown at the very back
of the end zone? High? Like high high. I see
so much bad stuff happened in the middle of the
end zone in the tight red zone passing game. Why

(26:05):
don't coaches call plays that go out breaking routes on
first and second out in this case when you know
you're gonna go for on fourth down on third down
and save the higher risk stuff for fok down, the
must have play. I'll never understand it. People don't even
think about it when I bring it up. But too
often I've seen catastrophic errors made on plays that probably

(26:26):
looked pretty good during the week of practice and on
paper that there's just too much clutter in there. Yeah,
trend for joining us in the Doug out Lip Show
on Fox Sports Radio. What do you make of Andrew
lux success? Obviously they fixed fixed the offensive line. Suddenly
Eric Ebron goes from a total bust in in Detroit
to a weapon with him. Who's most responsible for Andrew

(26:48):
lux bounce back? Well, I mean, I think the answer
is always a lot of people. It's obviously a lot
of Andrew Uh, it's his doctors and his rehab people
that got him back to this after a very injury.
I think Frank Reich we talked about this last week,
is one of the best minds in all of football. UM.
I think he's honestly had a lot to do with it.

(27:09):
UM the GM for rebuilding from the inside out. I
think most red rebuilding jobs that are successful start at
the Parsillian way inside out, and he's done it that way.
So there's a lot of credit to spread around. I'll
say this about Andrew that let's not forget, and I'm
stealing this from Steve Young. I learned a lot work
with Steve all those years in the ESPN, and he

(27:29):
always would help me better understand great quarterback play because
I did not play great quarterback. So I have to
learn greatness when I'm studying quarterbacks, and I've learned it
over all these years have studied position. It's how much
water do they carry for their team? How much are
they responsible for without having a lot of other good

(27:50):
stuff going on. And Andrew Luck when he first came
in was carrying as much water as any player in
this league. When people talk about Aaron Rodgers being one
of that you meet talents we've ever seen, I would
me and steveould always say well what about Andrew luck
because he's actually doing just as much with probably lack um.
So I think Andrew was already great. Then he got

(28:12):
stuck in this position where they deteriorated the team rapidly
and he was getting killed. But his mindset was, Hey,
I got to carry all the water, so I'm gonna
keep trying to carry the water. And it made him
to turn over prone, injury prone quarterback. Well, now he's
got a quarterback guru, a coach guru to come and say, hey, Andrew,

(28:32):
there's gonna be times where we need to carry we
need you to carry the water. But it's not all
the time. We're gonna help you. We're gonna support you.
You don't have to be Superman forty two times a game.
Just be Superman ten times a game, and especially on
third down, red zone and a half and the game.
And what did he do yesterday? He won the dang
game being Superman on that third long play where he

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ducks under the rush, jumps up in the pocket, gets
his eyes left into levers of strike. Handful of guys
can make that play, So he's having to carry less
water for the entire game, so that when he has
to carry a lot of water, it equals winds and
it's absolutely brilliant. He needs to be in the conversation.
I believe Colin is right this morning. It is Drew
Brees m v P to lose. Andrew luck is second.

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I would throw Philip Rivers in there. But he also
needs to be put on this list of the greatest
quarterbacks in the game right now. He is truly one
of those handful of elite. All Right, I got I
got two other quick questions for you. Trent Dilfer joining
us on the Doug got Lip Show. Uh. Lamar Jackson
wins the second consecutive game, but as against the Bengals
and the Raiders, two of the worst teams in the NFL,
and he does it mostly with his legs. He did

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have a couple of turnovers yesterday. Um, long term does
it work? Short term it works, We've seen it before.
But long term does it work with Lamar Jackson? Well,
he have to go back and look at the forty Niners.
They're really the model of Colin Kaepernick and we when
we talked about at the time, people got mad because,
as they said, no, this will work forever. Here's the

(30:02):
problem with when you are run driven quarterback. The benefit
to it, while it's working now and White Collin had
a nice little stint, is you create defined looks by
the secondary. They're so concerned with defending the quarterback run.
They recruit somebody from the secondary prom around the line
of scrimmage, and you get these define what I call

(30:22):
training camp looks like first day of training camp. The
defense lines up like death, so very little disguise, very
little complexity, very a lot of simplicity. The other thing
you don't get his man because teams are afraid of
turning their back to the quarterback, it being a a
zone read or a quarterback scramble, the gaging sixty instead
of six. Okay, so those are two things you eliminate

(30:44):
early on when you surprise teams with this type of
quarterback play. What you get from that is you get
easy completions. If you look at Lamar's completions first week
and last week, there two wide open receivers that are
running through remedial zones and they're kind of guineas when
he's forced to make a tight throw. He has had

(31:05):
very few completions because he's not used to making tight throws,
tight man the man, tight zone windows, YadA, YadA, YadA.
What happened to Colin Kaepernick was as the book grew
on him and the amount of throws that he was
able to complete at a high amount, the throws he
was able to make, uh often, they started defending those

(31:26):
throws and forcing him to throw the ball elsewhere while
still playing some basic coverages and then tightening up the coverage,
and his efficiency and his impact declined. And that's a
lot what you'll see with Lamar Jackson unless he grows
his throw catalog. And every quarterback has to grow their
throw throw catalog, but he has to grow his rapidly.

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Because the league saw this a few years ago, it
will not take the league long to say, oh, we're
going to defend him exactly likely defended calling because the
book was written on this style of quarterback. When the
offenses run through the quarterbacks legs, it has a short
tail sound this type of impact. Great stuff from Trent Dilfer,

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chat the Elite eleven dot com, the nation's premier quarterback competition.
Did he awesome? Thanks for joining us be sure to
catch live editions of the Doug dot Leap Show week
days in noon eastern three pm Pacific. But if you
watched Ohio State this year, they survived Penn State. At
Penn State they didn't survive and they give up forty

(32:35):
nine points to Purdue. They survived Nebraska, where you have
a coaching staff that I think lost their first seven games.
In Nebraska, they did beat Michigan State six, but that
that score was not indicative of how close that game was.
And then they needed a miracle, and I thought an

(32:57):
ill fated play calling going for two or just the
decision to go for two for Maryland in overtime to
win that game the week before. Then they come out
and hammer Michigan. Now, in the context of what actually
happened in the game, Michigan made mental errors, now from

(33:17):
some of Shane Patterson's decisions two some drops to you know, uh,
trying to return a kickoff and running out of bounds
that you're on seven yard line. They had some injuries
as well in game, which depleted them. But all at
all is a good old fashioned ass weapon. But oh

(33:40):
State was supposed to be this good, and when you're
supposed to be this good and you only play up
to your potential or your um your ability. I mean, heck,
they trailed TCU in the third quarter in TCU is
a below average Big twelve team. When only now you

(34:01):
play up to your ability. My guess you want to say, hey,
you want to play you the best, you do so
in the biggest games. But isn't an indictment of how
this team took so many games off, especially defensively, and
showed very little effort in cohesion. That's who they were
supposed to be. That's who they're supposed to be. And

(34:23):
if they go out and they kicked the hell of
the Northwestern as is expected on Fox this Saturday, it
probably should go to national National playoff. Why because one
of the four best teams. Right, find me the better option.
If you want to tell me, hey, Oklahoma, their defense

(34:43):
is bad, but you know, is their defense as bad
as o'hiwo Steeds defense was giving up fifty one to
Maryland and forty nine to produing a loss. Probably not.
And they don't have a Kyler Murray. But they got
more dudes. They got more dude and they each played
a schedule which you know for Ohio State. Everybody. While

(35:08):
they're scheduling play anybody, they try to play TCU, and
they play him in Texas. That's supposed to be a
tough game. TCU has just had a rough season. And
they played Oregon State, who is bad, but at least
it's a Pack twelve opponent. They played two lane go
look at the go look at Oklahoma schedule. Oklahoma played
U c l A. That's scared. That game was scheduled

(35:28):
a long time ago and U c l A is
in the first year of a new coaching staff. Heck,
I actually think george is one of the four best teams.
They like, Ohio State had a stinker. I would rather
see Georgia play in the College Football playoff. But if
Georgia loses to Alabama, Ohio State wins, Oklahoma wins, Georgia

(35:49):
b on the outside looking in. But when when I
see Ohio Date play that well in that situation against
that well coached team, you start to realize how, how,

(36:13):
how they underperformed for the rest of their season. That
win is actually an indictment on a Houset, not on Michigan.
Not on Michigan. They're like, well, you know, Jim Harball
was built, was brought in to win Big Ten championships.
He will it is a process. Fox Sports Radio has

(36:35):
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to listen live. One of the things I don't like
about this job is how often, guys, how often people
shut down interviews because they lost a sporting event, right, Like,
good luck getting anybody from Michigan on the radio up

(36:58):
until like right before their bowl game maybe probably more
likely right after their bowl game. That's it, because they lost, Like,
it doesn't make you any less interesting to us, and
it's not our fault that you lost. People still want
to hear from you just because you lost the game, right,
You don't have to go back into the cave and
start pounding out film and make yourself unavailable. But it's

(37:22):
one of the things that drives me crazy is like, oh, week,
well they lost, so you can't get coaches. That's not
the case of my Gundy's longtime coach at Oklahoma State,
of course. Uh as soon as they beat West Virginia,
we got on the phone. We're like, man, we want
coach Gundhy right now, right now, and then they lose
the TCU. But like the man he is, he picks

(37:42):
up the phone anytime we ask after after a hard
loss to TCU, my Gundhy joints just on the Doug
Gottlieb Show, coach, how are you well? I'm good. I
don't even know if I would describe it as a
hard loss, I would describe it is. I still hadn't
been able to figure out what happened in about four
of our losses this year. They they asked me last

(38:02):
week about going on the show with you, and I said, well,
I'll go on this whether they need you to go
next week, I said, a lot to be fine. Uh,
but you know, it's interesting that the good thing about
doing an interview with a former player is and sometimes
when uh, people ask like my fourteen year old asked well,
and my seventeen year old a few weeks ago they said,

(38:25):
how can you play such a good game and beat Texas,
who's ninth in the country, and then play a terrible
game and lose to Baylor who has a losing record.
And I said, I don't know. I wish I had
that answer, because if I did, I wouldn't let it happen. Um.
And then you go through what we went through to
play as well as we did against Oklahoma, come up short,

(38:46):
which was a tough one, and then uh beat West Virginia,
who at that time was probably playing better all around
football than Oklahoma. Um, and then not play well again
in against TCU, didn't play well in offense, couldn't get
a first down in the first half, and so on
and so forth. So here we are. Good news is

(39:08):
with bow ELSI when we get to have four team,
more practices and worst work the young players. But um,
still kind of searching for why things happened the way
they did this year. But we're rolling. You know how
it is. You get up, as you say, You get
back in the film room, go to work, gets kids motivated,
and have some ton coach and football My gund Our
guests on the Doug Gotlif Show on Fox Sports Radio. Um,

(39:29):
is it is it fair to say quarterback play right
like Taylor? Obviously Taylor Corneilely is your quarterback. Obviously struggled
against TCU. Here's a guy who's been he's been a backup,
and there are moments in which you feel just great
for him, like the West Virginia game hacked, even the
Oklahoma game where he bounced back up until that last
in completion going for two. Uh. He played some some

(39:50):
great football, but his inconsistency for a myriad of reasons
kind of mirrored mirrored the inconsistency in your team. You're
you're exactly right, and it's unfortunately you kind of go
come and go with your quarterback at all levels. We've
talked about this, and especially on a year where um,

(40:11):
we we didn't have as much maturity in our skill positions, UM,
so much more fell on his shoulders and he didn't
He didn't play well in the first half. He uh,
he didn't set his seat, his his throws were inconsistent, um.
And and unfortunately we didn't get good running back playing
that game. We didn't have justice with us. And then
of course j D went on the portal of the

(40:33):
transfer and so we had Tuba who's been playing fantastic
and he for some reason he was just kind of average. UM.
But it does go with your quarterbacks, you know, it
just unfortunately in that situation. UM, if they play really well,
you're gonna probably win, and if they play average, you
got a shot, and if they don't play average, and

(40:53):
it's extremely difficult to win right now, you you, Um,
every year seems like you have a rent that people
pick up on. And the people that like you and
agree with you, they say, out of boy, and the
people that don't they say, see here's the here's a
football coach. You know, taking the football coaches perspective, you
you you hone in on millennials and transferring as a

(41:14):
big issue. Um, but but you also didn't want to
single single out a couple of kids that had decided
to transfer in season from your own program. Um. I
guess the question becomes like I watch it, I cover it,
and I realized that, yeah, like, look, here's the deal.
Nobody wants to sit anymore. They just don't. They want to.
They all want to play. And part of me understands

(41:36):
it because heck, that's how I went to Notre Dame,
and that's how I went to Oklahoma State and why
almost left Oklahoma State when when coach Sutton benched me
in my junior year. But I fought through it and
I and I started, uh and and I end up
having a great career and a great experience there. Um.
Do you think this is a is it a generational change?
Is it the media and how we cover it? Like,

(41:58):
how how do you why do you think this appears
to be such a change in terms of the vast
number of transfers we've seen, especially in season transfers. Well,
the first part that I would answer is the we've
allowed to We've we've given them a vehicle to make
it easier to transfer. Um, We've put in a portal system.

(42:18):
And and I'm not debating that. I don't have any
issues with uh with young men transferring, And I don't
know that I have the answer. Okay, J. D. King
is an awesome young man. I mean he he's been
great for us. He's worked his tail off, he's been loyal. Um.
He you know, he feels like there's an opportunity somewhere
else it's better for him. UM. Now where he and

(42:39):
I didn't agree, and of course he knows this. I
told him this. I wouldn't do it during the season. UM.
I would wait till after the season. UM. But for
whatever reason, UM, somebody advised him or he chose to
do it during the season, that's his choice. UM. I
don't agree with the the upper classman being able to
play four games and then sitting the remainder of the year. Um,

(43:01):
and then transferred into another school. We had that with McCleskey,
another great young man, great family, ninth all time here
and catches. So UM, I'm appreciative of what he did
for us. I don't agree with doing it during the
season because, as you know, we put a lot of
work into these guys in the spring and in August,
and then if they leave during the season, we can't

(43:21):
just go get a player off waivers and replace them,
and that is difficult for a qualm of state. So
I don't agree with that process. But overall, if if
a young man says I want to start, I want
to be at this location, he should have the right
to do it because as coaches we can do the
same thing. Um. The one thing that is incorrect is
people say, well, coaches, you know, they could just up

(43:43):
and leave when they want. Well, that's not that's not true.
Most of us have multi built, million dollar buyouts. Now
money is not the main objective here, but that that's
a statement that's not true. Where I was going the
other day with the with the the millennials generation, see
for lack of a better term, with the you know,
the kids that grow up with phones in their hands.

(44:03):
I worry about. And I have two at home, So
when I say this, I'm including by two that are
at home. I have one in college, so I say
three of them. I don't know if they understand the uh,
the entitlement that young young people have today that that
they didn't have years ago, and the fact that you
need to earn something, you have to work hard. Things
just don't come for free. And I worry about that

(44:25):
because when you get in the real world, as we know,
if people start not liking the Duck Godless show, they're
not going to keep you around because you were a
good college basketball player. I mean, you gotta be productive. Well,
these these young kids need to understand that it takes
a lot of hard work, it takes a lot of commitment.
You gotta fail, you gotta get back on your feet,
and you gotta eventually find a way to overcome it

(44:45):
and be tough. I don't see that with a lot
of young people. I'm including my own three sons. Don't
get me wrong, I've got there. They're the same way.
That's what I worry about more than anything, and so
how are we providing them with just a very easy
way to say, let's go do something else. And you
know this from bouncing around with different companies in the
professional world and also playing for different teams in college.

(45:09):
It's not always greener on the other side of the pens,
it's pretty much the same way. So I'm for the
young people, including my own sons, bearing down, figure it out,
toughing it out, and finding a way to become productive.
I think I think there's a balance between the two. Right.
It's it's like you said, like, like, no one's against transferring,
but hey man, wait till the season is over, because

(45:29):
if you don't like your role that made you, we're
you're all just everybody just one play away from getting
back in there, right, I mean you know what I mean, Like,
like it's it's like Cuba was third team three games ago,
well and he's now he started the last two games. Yeah,
I mean that's that's and and so and so the
idea is like, look, you decided to stay here for

(45:51):
this year, stay here for the year when the seasons
aren't done. If you decided to want to transfer. Walking
into my office, let's have a conversation. You know, look
me in the eye, will shake hands and we may
still disagree, but that's that's how you do it. And look,
I got the same thing. And I have a nine
year old son, and and you know, we run into
whether it's baseball or he played like five sports. He's like, well,

(46:11):
you're not donna love. I don't love, you have love.
Basketball's like, well, that's because you're not having that much
success for sex success and you don't like kind of
putting in the work every day. He's like, well, it's hard.
Like yeah, anything you do, anything you do is hard.
It might be easy now, but but it's gonna get hard.
But when you get past the part that it's hard
and you start seeing success after it's been heart now,
it actually gets more fun than it was if you

(46:32):
just woke up in the morning and you were good
at it, right, no question. And like with your nine
year old, See I went through this with my middle son.
That one is playing quarterback over at the high school. Now.
He played on a really really, really good travel baseball team.
And in almost every one of those kids is going
to be a Division one player or uh drafted in
the top six, eight, ten, rounds in in uh here

(46:55):
coming up in the draft next year because they're all
going to be seniors. Well he was. He was the
bad nine hole on a on a roster ten and
played center field, and so people would say, hey, you
can come play on our team. He could bat two
hole or whatever and blah blah blah, and why do
you leave him on his team? Well, because he has
to struggle to be on this team. This team, those

(47:17):
kids are big time. So it forced him to be better.
And he bat at ninehole. So what he bats ninehole?
I mean, that's the way life is. And now you
know he's playing high school ball and doing good. But
the point being this, that was one of the good
decisions I made as a parent, saying this team is
gonna make you better. I don't care if you're bat
nine hole, doesn't make a difference. You live with it.
It makes you a better kid. Well, that's what we're
trying to get accomplished to the guys here that we're

(47:39):
trying to train to get out there in the real
world at this time that are on our team. Mike Gun,
do join us in the doug out the show. I
want to get your thoughts on a couple other things
in college football. But you you brought your son Gunner,
So I mean he's gonna play for you, right, Well,
he's I don't know what he'll do, uh, Doug he
he Uh, we've never talked about it. And what I've

(48:00):
that is this, if he ends up being good enough
to play at a high level, he can decide whether
he wants to go play at whatever school or he
just says, hey, you know what, I want to play
for my dad. I want to play Oklahoma State. Then
that's his choice. Uh. You know, if he does that,
I'll just let him walk on here and pay for
his school and that way I don't have to burn
a scholarship on him. Um. And and I would love
to have him here. I mean I know him inside out.

(48:22):
He he can, he competes, He understands that he's tough,
he's savvy, he's smart. Um. But that'll be a choice
he makes. He's just a junior, so you know, he
still has a little bit of time, um, to decide
what to do. But they're having an unbelievable year still
Waters twelve and oh and in in the state championship.
And you know you've been here. I mean they haven't
been in this position since the seventies early seventies, So

(48:42):
it's an awesome deal. And and I'm a proud dad.
I mean, I'm proud of him for for competing and
and leading his team and being a tough guy and
being unselfish and all those different things. Those things make
me very happy. But your your brother, your brother, And
for people don't know Kale still at at Oklahoma. Your
brother is not gonna come in like Christmas and make
some pictures. Listen, he's gonna make you walk on. We'll
actually put you on scholarship at OU. Yeah, well you

(49:04):
know there. He's crooked anyway down there, So I wouldn't.
I wouldn't. Wouldn't surprise baby came into a shot at him. Uh,
the naysayers on Oklahoma, Okay, we saw Ohio State just
bludge in Michigan of Michigan team that had been completely
and thoroughly dominant after losing UH to Notre Dame first
game this season. Um, you got, you got if you

(49:25):
know if Alabama losing, the feeling is Alabama still goes.
You've seen Oklahoma, You've you've got against but you probably
should have beaten Oklahoma or at least, you know, gone
to overtime against Oklahoma. Do you believe that Oklahoma, with
the issues and struggles they've had on defense, should be
in that college football playoff if they win this weekend. Yeah, yeah,

(49:46):
they they will and they'll get in. And here's why,
because they have you know, the evidence they bring to
the table is last year that we had the same
conversations and they they they hung three hundred and twenty
or forty yards and thirty one points give or take,
on know exact against a good Georgia defense in the
first half of the playoff game last year. So what
what what's the difference they they their defense the defense

(50:09):
is I mean, I know there's more possessions and we
we deal with with points, but man, I mean it's
they're scoring like, you know, like a hot knife through
butter of West Virginia, which you're right, you know, what
you're saying is right. But they offensively, I think their
numbers are even up right. So here's what happens. In
my opinion, I don't know what goes on behind the

(50:31):
closed doors with Rob Mullins in that game. You know,
I think robbing them do a great job. They have
an extremely difficult. Hub Um. You know, the issue we're
having is is you have a you have a team
like Central Florida that can't even get in the race
because of the way it's set up right now, which
I don't think is right. But that's a different subject.
But what you're getting here is people want to see
whether Oklahoma can score on the top three teams in

(50:53):
the country behind closed doors. They're gonna say, can can
they score forty five points against a um A two
three or two seed or three or one or whoever
they're gonna play behind closed doors. I believe they they're
saying they want to see if they can score forty

(51:13):
points against these teams and making an exciting game. In
my opinion based on the way it's gone, that's my opinion,
and I think he'll get in the playoffs. Last thing, Uh,
last year, you told us, hey, Pat Mahomes is the
best we've we've seen, Like, he's a guy who you
believe will it will translate to the to the next level.

(51:33):
Have you seen anybody this year is Will Greer? You know,
I know they're pitching Will Greer as of of pro
kind of pro caliber. Have you seen a guy this
year that you believe translates to the next level. Not
not like him. You know, I told you I watched
him for years and then just he's just a completely
different player, raw raw, raw ability. But he has a

(51:55):
temperament Doug. Things don't bother him, Everything rolls off his back.
And it's my Homes times, right, Yeah, I'm talking about
my Homes. I mean, I've just not ever seen a
guy that had the raw skill that he did. And
then this year Greer has been really really good. But
but in my opinion, not the skill that Mahomes has.
Mahomes has freakish skill. And then you have Kyler Murray

(52:18):
that that is like Tyreek Hill with the ball in
his hands. And I don't I don't know that I
would ever I thought I would ever say that, But
when I watched him live, I couldn't believe how fast
he was and how he could be running um directly
at a defender Doug and and only have about five
yards to the out of bounds and not being able

(52:39):
to come back. And then that guy can't even touch him,
not tackling, he can't even touch him. And he's just
freakish talent. Kyler is in that in that capacity, so
but not the total package in my opinion, And I
don't evaluate for the NFL. I just give my opinion.
Gives me in trouble. But Mahomes is just a whole
different level of guy. I mean, he just freakish and

(53:01):
in so far he's he's upholding that into the deal
to make me look, I find I do what I
was talking about. All right, Uh, this is a hard question,
and I didn't let me ask you, but you mentioned
Tyreek Hill. Um, how do you when when when you
see him have this kind of success, knowing how it ended,
right if if you didn't have to, if you didn't
have to get rid of him, he would have he
would have been outside of Barry Sanders because of the

(53:24):
punt return against Oklahoma, he would have had the most
revered play in the history of the school. How do
you emotionally handle that Tyreek Hill was in fact one
year own before you had to you had to get
rid of him. Yeah, I I I'm thrilled with the
success he's having. Tyreek Hill had was not an issue
for us at all, in no way, shape or form

(53:45):
war manner. I think he got in a situation. I'm
just guessing here um from from all the facts, based
on what I found out that he got in a
situation and got in a heated argument with the girl,
and he made mistakes. You can't you. Here's what we
tell our guys here, Doug. If a girl gets mad
at you and hits you, scratches you, kicks you, grows
her phone at you, embarrasses you, what you do is

(54:08):
turn around and run away and run as fast as
you can. Don't touch her, leave her alone, don't push
her back. I don't care if she does it in
front of your boys, Okay, then you turn around and leave.
He didn't do that, and unfortunately what that's what we
tell our players. If you do anything other than that,
then you can't play here. This is just the way
it is. But he he he learned his lesson. He's

(54:30):
doing terrific forget being a player. He's doing great on
and off the field and worth th real for for
the way that that he's recovered, because he put himself
in a position to recover. You know what, he dick, Doug.
He kept his mouth shutting at his jaw. And by
the way they're engaged now, I don't know if no
I know I know they lived together. I'm I'm fairly
certain they lived together, is what I've been told. And

(54:51):
they're engaged. And so that's just an example of why
we try to tell young people. You know, just think
if people would have been able to track the stuff
that you and I did in college. Yep. No, they
have tracked some of the stuff I've done in college,
and they still use it against me. Twenty people. Yeah,
and and so people people just make mistakes. But he

(55:11):
made one that you can't make in society today, and
we don't believe that. So I'm thrilled that he's doing
good and they're engaged, as I've heard that, and that's
awesome for him. And he's gonna be playing a long time.
He's a special dude. Now, there's not many like I had.
I had a guy I'm not gonna name his name.
He's he's in one. He's toppling the front office in
the NFL, and he's like, he saw your first game
against Florida State, right, his first game was against Florida State,

(55:33):
and he said, he said that moment, I said, that's
the fastest player I've I've ever scouted. And he's he
believes he's the fastest player to ever play in the NFL. Uh,
there's some just you know, other they're they're obviously bullet
By Beaman, some others have you know, Darrel competitive speed,
competitive speed. You can't catch him on a game. You
can't catch him in a game. And that's that's the difference.

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You know, when he played that game for US against
Florida State, if we would have known as much as
we knew about him, we probably could have been We
almost sleap Florida State. Anyway, we probably could have beat him,
but we didn't know he was that good. We knew
he was fast, but we didn't know it exactly. We
would have given the ball to n fifteen more times
different ways, and problem might have won that game. But
but regardless anyway, Hey listen, uh, I love that you

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always come on obviously disappointed in the end. But there's
some really high highs uh some some some some lows
and look forward to seeing where you go in the
in the bull season. Yeah, we're the same way. I'm
I got. I'm disappointed because we we we didn't do
a good enough job coaching and identifying who we were
earlier in the year. Um probably would have translated to

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at least a couple more wins. Uh. And that was
my fault, and that that part. I'm disappointed that the
good news is we get to practice more and get
some guys ready and and uh and make it better
for next year. But appreciate the show man. I listened
to you in the evenings whenever I'm leaving, going to
eat before I go back to work, to watch tape
at night. So appreciate you man. All right, man, thanks,
thanks for joy. I look to your son in the
state championship. That's my gundee, the head coache Oklahoma State

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Cowboys