December 10, 2018 • 37 mins
Doug tells you why the world of sports is often shades of gray, not black and white. He thinks the Raiders' trades with the Cowboys and Bears were mutually beneficial and Dak Prescott is neither a bust nor great. Despite losing to the Bears, he says the Rams will be just fine. And Super Bowl Champ Trent Dilfer joins the show to discuss the Cowboys and the crazy finish to Dolphins v Patriots.
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the Doug gottli Show on Fox Sports Radio. Boom, What
Up America, Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Man, I
hope you had a great weekend. I sure did because
I like watching football on television and I was rewarded
for such a non athletic practice. Huh. Also, great college
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hoops got new number one with Kansas, a team that
they beat Tennessee earlier this year in Tennessee took down Gonzaga.
Lakers continue to win well. They add some veteran pieces.
We'll get to that upcoming. Man, do we have a
tremendous show for it? Tremendous show. Trendelfer is gonna join
us in fifteen minutes. Winston Moss, the now former Packers
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linebackers coach, will join us in an hour and Michael Lombardi,
former NFL GM would stunned me if he became a
member of the Raiders again in the future. I'm gonna
join us later on the show. So we got a
time to get to I'll give you my thoughts on
Reggie Mackenzie and I'll give you my thoughts on the
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Dallas Cowboys. Huh, which to start with? Let's start with Mackenzie.
But the stories are similar. Here's what we do. Here's
what we do. We do black and white analysis, all right,
we do right and left politics and black and white analysis.
Trades aren't fair trades. They're either good or they're bad.
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Oh that's a great trade. There's a terrible trade. There
is no fair trades, right that would actually be reasonable
and have a reasonable sports conclusion. What's amazing about the
tenure short tenure of John Gruden is this assumption that
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he has no idea what he's doing. That he gave
away Khalil mack that he gave away Amari Cooper, and
that their awesomeness with the Chicago Bears who beat the
l A Rams yesterday and with the Dallas Cowboys who
beat the Philadelphia Eagles yesterday only proves that John Gruden
is an idiot. Now, there's a multitude of levels to it.
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The first thing that John Gruden did wrong was had
an awesome job. Listen, this is what he truly did wrong. Okay,
he had a great job with Monday Night Football. He
had been offered a job in college football year after year,
a chance to come back to the NFL several times over.
And the only way to get a guy out of
a dream job or out of a pushed job where
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he can he could have been there like John Madden
thirty years, was to overpay him. And the only way
in which you'll overpay a guy and get him to
believe in a rebuilding job is to overpay him for
a long period of time. But because he got a
deal which has been reported as and he said misreport
is a hundred million dollars. Now, all of a sudden,
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John Gruden's the worst. You're the worst. You're making a
hundred minute like, hey, dude, we're the Raiders. Any good
last year? Were they any good last year? Nope? Oh?
But oh, but but but but but they had Khalil Mack.
And by trading away Khalil Mack, they were awful. You know,
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when they made the playoffs in two thousand and sixteen,
they were actually twenty six and points allowed per game
and thirty second in sex per game. Clear Mack was
on the team that Clearmack didn't want to be paid.
He wanted to be paid above that of anybody had
ever played his position in the NFL for longer than
anybody had ever been paid above that position in the NFL.
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So what cleil Mac was saying was, Hey, I know
we suck, but I'm not the reason we suck, and
so instead of being part of the process of fixing it,
I would like to be overpaid, so it makes it
harder to fix the problem. You cannot like the John
Gruden trade, but John Garden getting two first rounders for
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clil Mack was a great trade. And as he told
everybody who would listen, the other picks that were exchanged,
he had nothing to do with Who did Reggie Mackenzie,
And so did anybody who sits there and goes like, hey,
Reggie Mackenzie had no draft picks and no money, and
he put a team in the place he did one time,
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one time, and when they did, they went forward on
fourth down. More than any team in the National Football League. Look,
Reggie mackenzie hadn't done a great job. He'd been there
since two thousand twelve, so we're talking six years. He
got to one playoff and they were in cap hell,
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and they hadn't drafted particularly well outside of that. You know,
Yeah he got Clio mac Yeah he got uh Mary Cooper?
Did you know what Mary Cooper is? Rookie season, he
led the NFL and drops and dropped percentage. Do you
know in his second season he had only four drops
all year? But last season he led the NFL and
drop rate percentage. Again, like, oh, why did they trade
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him away? Look, if you want to know, if you
want to really tell the Gray story, not he wasn't
a good trade. A bad trade because you wouldn't give
up a first round pick for a guy who's gonna
make fourteen million dollars next year, which a lot of
money considering he led the NFL and dropped percentage last year.
Unless he's a pretty good player Eagles need a wide receiver,
wouldn't trade a first rounder for him, would only offer
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a second rounder. The story is not that Gruten's an
idiot or that the Cowboys are geniuses knowing that they
needed a number one guy after cutting bait with Dez Bryant.
The story is other people didn't didn't value him. The
entire league had an opportunity to trade for him, and
nobody else offered it first. In this world of black
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and white, there's a lot of gray or silver, if
you will. And while we're sitting here saying Reggie mackenzie
got fired after six years and how how could John
Gruden do this? And why would they leave him toiling
in the wind? Look, dude, this is what happens everywhere.
What do you think just happened in Green Bay? Mike
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McCarthy was there forever. Then Brian Guns gets promoted to
becoming the general manager, and suddenly Mike McCarthy's out of
a job. Why is that? Because everybody wants to hire
their guy. Duh. Doug Whaley was the general manager of
the Buffalo Bills. They hire Sean McDermott from the Carolina Panthers.
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He comes in, Doug Whaley loses his job. Been where
do they go to get their gentle manager that Carolina Panthers?
Why because everybody wants to hire their guy. Dave Gettleman
gets the job with the New York Giants and suddenly
they make a coaching change. Why because everybody wants to
hire their guy. So the only thing that John Gruden
did wrong was make a whole hell of a lot
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of money because he had an awesome job and get
another job back in the NFL that he can't be
fired from. Because that's the only reason you don't go
back in the NFL. Hey, man, don't go back. NFL
stands for not for long, they'll fire you. And John
Gruden's like, well, what if I got a ten year deal, Like, well,
then you should go back. College coaches do the exact
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same thing. The media, who have never been in that
sort of position of power okay in negotiations, don't understand, like, man,
he's got a twenty million dollar buy out, why so
that when he has a bad year or he has
been What happened to Cliff Kingsbury this year? Cliff Kingsbury
went through five quarterbacks. Now do I think Cliff Kingsbury
is the greatest head coach ever? Probably not. Hasn't been
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able to figure out the defense, although it felt like
they were really finally close to turning the corner. But whatever,
the only reason he got fired this year was he
only had a four million dollar buyout. Coaches make these
ridiculous salaries, have these ridiculous buyouts for one reason and
one reason only, so you can't fire them when they
have a bad year. That's it. You can't fire them
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when they have a bad year because they want to
unpack emotionally. They want to be able to recruit and
go into somebody's home and good, look, I'm gonna be there.
Don't believe me. They're gonna pay me twenty million dollars
to not coach this team, and only Texas A and
M will actually do that. So the world is I
know that we do this black and white analysis. Oh,
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it's a terrible trade for Grooden, Like, no, it's not.
He got three first round picks for two players. It
seems like a pretty damn good trade. He couldn't afford
to keep clear Mack, and even with clear Mac still
not any good. Don't believe me. I have data right here.
Two thousand, fourteen, thirty second in points per game, twenty
six and sacks. That's Khalil max rookie year twenty two
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and points per game his second year nineteens and sacks
per game two thousand sixteen to make the playoffs their
thirty second and sacks per game. Clue Mack, by the way,
was Defensive Player of the Year the year. It's a
team game. John Gruden knows this, understands this, and it
doesn't mean any disrespect for towards clue Mack. Actually more respect.
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No defensive player has ever been traded for two first
round picks ever, And so instead of watching the Cowboys winning,
the Bears wint going like see Gruden's an idiot, or going,
you know what, Gruden got appropriate value. Maybe the Bears
didn't overpay, Maybe the Cowboys didn't overpay like the rest
of the league thought, which brings us to the Dallas Cowboys,
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who won again and Dak Prescott somehow becomes a conquering
hero in the Black and White and analysis. He wins,
throws three touchdown passes Aldelmari Cooper and two of which
the one that should have been intercepted at the end
wasn't a dime, but two of which were absolute dimes.
Trent Dilfer. Dilfer's dimes joins us five minutes in the
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show Coming up in the show Absolute Dimes, seeds man
to man coverage, put it where only his wide receiver
could catch it, and he never had to break stride.
They were perfect. How was he the first three quarters? Horrible? Okay,
but he's not a horrible quarterback. And he's not a
great quarterback. And the difference between good and great and
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dad is good, fine, not great. It's not that he
can't He's not like Tim Tebow where he physically can't
throw a football accurately. It's the percentage of times in
which he makes the right and read the right throw
and delivers it in the right place. The best of
the best of the best do it at a higher
percentage of time than everybody else. He's somewhere towards the
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middle pack. But we want to we don't want to
do that. We want to either Deck is a franchise
quarterback or he's a bum, And the truth is he's
somewhere in between. Meanwhile, Jason Garrett knows this. That's why
he has a defense that keeps him close, an offense
that needed one more weapon. And oh yeah, by the way,
they're on their way to winning the division, getting to
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the playoffs, and all of the idiots on TV and
radio that said, he only has his job because he's
friends with Jerry Jones. Hey, guess what, it's a good
idea to be friends with your boss. By the way,
happy purbey my boss, Scott Shapiro. Um, he turns thirties
six or thirty seven today. I really have no idea
how old he is. But boy Wonder is becoming a
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man and we'll see if his vikings can get a
win on Monday Night football. The reason Jason Garrett's a
really good coach is because he's found a way to
win with different groups of talent, different styles. Would you
like to run the oop dep that Kansas Cities running? Sure,
But you know he doesn't have He doesn't have Tyreek Hill,
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he doesn't have Pat Mahomes. He doesn't have you know,
Jason uh Travis Kelsey. Yeah. People wanted about maybe a
bum or he wants to be the next Lombardi or
the next um Tom Landry. The truth is is somewhere
in the middle and probably to the upper half. That's
why they've only had one bad year. And that bad
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year was when Tony Romo kept getting hurt. They had
no good backup. Be sure to catch live editions of
the Doug dot Leap Show weekdays in noon eastern three
pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart
Radio app. Let's ask Trent Dilford. He's won a Super Bowl.
You can fall him on Twitter at Dilford's Dimes. He
joins us in the Doug got Lip Show here on
Fox Sports Radio. Um, Look, every time Sean mcveigh's team loses,
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he has these great expressions where he takes all the
blame and casting out of it on the players. I'm
just wondering if there's any cause for concern considering how
poorly Jared Goff in the offense looked against that Bears defense. Well,
I think there's cause for concern if they don't address
if you don't learn from it, and you know this
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as a competitor, that there's nothing wrong with having a
stinker if you grow from It's when you get defensive.
You're not self aware, you're not willing to um look
in the mirror at why it happened. That's when it
becomes a problem. And I think for the Rams, the narratives,
because the low hanging fruit is cold weather, Jared Goff
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has small hands. California kid Cooper cop I get and
there are all reasons. I'm not just diminishing them, but
they're just things that are realities that you can correct.
Jared Goff can learn how to play better in cold weather,
and he did. He played like crap. I'd be the
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first to say that, and he will. He looked uncomfortable,
he looked cold. He had a hard time loading the
ball backwards as he took it back. That's where a
heavy cold ball, that's where it affects you is when
you take it back, you feel like you're gonna lose
your grip. And you can see the difference in his
in his release. But you know what, Mr Bisky struggled
with it too, So he hasn't fully learned how to
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play in cold weather. Um, but you learned through that there.
They'll adjust to losing Cooper cop I would assume they're
gonna learn to play more the two tight end package,
which they did a little bit at the end of
the game when they had some success. Um, they'll coach better.
All those things are correctible to me. The biggest thing
that came out of last night was it was the
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first time the Rams weren't able to dictate terms offensively
and let me explain, and let me explain it. And
Chris did a nice job trying to explain how they're
dependent upon the run game and run sets up play
action and YadA, YadA, YadA. But to drill down a
little deeper, it's this simple. The Rams dictate terms because
they force you into personnel groupings and don't allow you
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to substitute. And within those personnel groupings, they then force
you into two different types of coverage cells a two
high cover cellar one high covered shell. When they get
you where they want you, they throw or pass based
on what show you're in. So they're controlling the terms
of the game. Makes sense. What the Bears. What the
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Bears can do defensively is they don't get out of
there too high shell. They can control the run game
with their front seven, not recruit extra players in so
sean then so victim to calling plays against two high
shell defense and it wasn't working and it got them
all out of sorts. See can I can I give
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you the basketball analogy to that? Yep? Okay, So this
is the interesting part about the Warriors when they get
DeMarcus Cousins. When DeMarcus Cousins becomes available, right, they have
always when they've won these championships, They've always gone small
to win championships. And what that means is offensively, Draymond
Green kind of a non shooting on score, but he
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can play out high and handle the basketball, and maybe
have Andrea Goodala who can also be a cutter, but
more of he's a guard. But because they can match
up to you defensively with that size and with that
length um, you have to match them playing small. You
can't play big because they'll simply use Draymond as a screener.
And now you have their your center guarding Steph Curry,
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which is a bad matchup. Right, That's what they would
do with Kevin Love. They'd make Kevin Love guard the
basketball and only one time in Game seven did he
stop Steph Curry, and that's why they won a championship. Well,
now you've got DeMarcus Cousins, and Cousins is a center.
If you play him at the end of a game,
that changes the spacing of the floor offensively, but defensively,
it's a second guy in addition to Steph Curry you
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can attack. So maybe they won't be able to dictate
terms either. There's some some similarities in the basketball and
the football. Nowogy fair, totally fair, and a lot of
what I've learned from football because my I started playing
basketball young age. I was a better basketball player I
was football player. And I don't have close to the
acumen that you have, but I understand the space, the matchups,
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the movement patterns. All that stuff is very, very transferable
to football. Doug gotlip show here on Fox Sports Radio. Um,
I talked I did a Bears game early this year,
and I talked to some of the front office guys,
and they love Mite. Man. We had to get Trabinsky
because we had Cutler before and everybody hated Cutler of
the personality, and Trabinsky has got just the greatest way
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around the guys. And I was like, that's great, But
you could have had Mahomes right and and they're like, well,
Mahomes would have played earlier. It might have been a disaster.
We know he has a higher ceiling, but we love
Is Trabinsky good enough in your opinion? Anybody's I'm good
enough to play with that defense? Uh? And that play caller? Um,
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they have a special thing on defense. I'm not gonna
say that Bears and two thousand Ravens, even the two thousand,
what two Buccaneers, They're not that kind of good. That
kind of good defense will never happen again just because
the rule changes in the amount of good quarterbacks in
the game. Um, but there Vic Fangio, when he gets
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the right people, plays the hardest scheme in football to
play against, and he has to go back to Vic Fangio.
This is all I can think about last night, was
I was very close to those forty nine teams, because
everybody knows I don't hide it up. Very good friends
with Trent ball Key. He was the gm uh New
Harbor really well like, was very close to those teams.
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And Vic was the secret sauce of those back to
back to back NC championship teams. Jim had a boring
ass offense, not that creative offensively. They were never good,
very good offensively, but Vic ran an awesome defense, and
Bulky got him studded well. Patrick Ross was already there
through Scott McLuhan, who rode Rome the middle. They have
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those two guys in Rocan Smith and Treve Athon. He
had the two edge guys to the best edge guys
in football. Mod Brooks All the Smith to game records.
He has those two guys in Chicago with Mac and
m Floyd. He had Justin Smith is one of the
best defensive and chair a lineman and all probably in
the last twenty years in football. And he has that
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with Hicks, and he had guys in the back end
that were really good eyes on quarterback zone players that
had man abilities. That's exactly what the Bears have. I mean,
it is a snapshot of what he had. I mean
it's a replica, sorry, of what he had in San Francisco.
And when you give vic fan Joe these pieces, it's
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gonna be really hard to move the ball against the defense.
It's gonna be really hard to score points, especially in
critical moments. I say all that because anybody can play
quarterback if you don't turn the balls. Mitch needs to
quit turning the ball over. He doesn't have to be
a superhero. He's fine being a pick and stick scramble guy.
And that's what he is. He's a talented kid that
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can throw accurately the number one and if number one
is not there, he's athletic and big enough to go
get some sneaky yards with his seat. They're never gonna
put up a bunch of points consistently. They're I don't
think they're gonna be as the season grows on and
people write the book as they're writing on Mr. Rabinski,
They're not going to be dynamic like the Chiefs um,
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but he's good enough. I think. I think the Cowboys
and the Bears are kind of the same team that
if they play their formula and they get people in
their place, they have similar style quarterbacks, similar style defenses,
and they're gonna make it a really tough game deep
into the fourth quarter. I think eventually neither one of
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those are enough to be Drew Brees and the Saints
or even the Rams if it's in l A. But
it's pretty darn good. It's a. It's A. It's a.
It's a. It's a great great point here, um and one. Well,
here's what I said to open the show. It's like, look,
we want black and white analysis. We want me If
I say Mitch can't play less not accurate, Mitch can
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play or you know, if you watch if you watch
dak right, he throws He's terrible the first three quarters.
Then he throws a couple of seeds to MARII Cooper
like the truth this somewhere in the middle and trying
to find a way in which you can hide the
bad stuff or get through the bad stuff so the
good stuff comes out. That's more realistic analysis when we're
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pushed with just how we're pushing the media today too.
He can play, he can't play good trade, bad trade.
There is no in between when the truth is in between,
fair Doug. That's why I do your show. I say
no to thirty five shows a week. I do your
show Why We've been friends forever. But you don't do
black and white analysions. You go against the grain. That's
why I love this week, this twenty minutes every week.
I talked to my point. Let me get back to
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my point though, because it's really really an important point
for your listeners is that if you're looking for black
and white analysis on the NFL, you just want to
be part of the lowest common anomor you just want
to win some super wrought water cooler argument, and that
is unwinnable. Um, the answer is both. In sports and football, whatever,
the answer is usually both. It's like politics, the crazy
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rights wrong on the crazy left is wrong. Both are wrong,
and both are right. Sports sports a microcosm of that, right.
It's just it's an exactly And if you want to
actually learn how to enjoy watching football more, then be
willing to kind of see both sides of it. And
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that's what any any good analysis is gonna be as
seeing both sides. And I can see how the Bears
can win the Super Bowl, and I can see how
they can't, and I can give you reasons for both,
and so can other good UH analysts. And that's kind
of what this comes down to is I think Patrick
Mahomes is crazy. But I was asked this morning if
he's the best. I said, I'm not gonna dumb down
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my answer to that, because as soon as I say
he's the best, what am I saying about Drew Brees
and Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers and Philip Rivers. I mean,
you know, I talked things that are good about both.
I talked to NFL GM last night. He was coming
home from his game. I was talking on the phone
and I said, did you see the Mahomes pass? He said,
I actually did. He was talking to his quarterback coach
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and he's like, I've never actually seen that done before,
never actually like a no look crossing route on the
money in an NFL game. Now, you know, people, you
take it with a grainted you. You take it in
the spirit that I think most people when people called
you a game manager, but you were, you wouldn't have
been draft as highly as you were drafted coming out
of President State unless you could play. You've you've coached
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some of the best of the best of you the
lead eleven camp. How many times have you seen a
guy throw a no look crossing route in a game
before far I've seen far do everything Mahomes has done,
and I was in namorous Mahomes as anybody people just
I guess it's just too long ago ninety five, six
seven or six seven eight when you won the three
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m vps. Brett Farve did everything Mahomes has done, and
he did it in eight degree weather in lambeau Field.
So what we're seeing isn't new, But I've only other
seen one other guy do it um and he now
he's doing it. The cool thing about my Homes he's
doing it in this like high offtame hybrid Saturday offense thing,
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which is just awesome to watch. Where Brett did it
more conventional old school West Coast Pro style offense. I've
seen Brett doing a game. I've seen guys do it
in practice. We goof around with it in practice with
high school kids. It's not the fact that he's physically
able to do it, it's the fact that he actually
did it in the game when the game was on
the line. Uh is amazing. I mean, I love the kid.
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He's must see TV. He's on my big screen. I
got five TVs these in the middle every week. There
was a little bit of humble break there. I do
have a question though, that goes with that. Okay, Now,
Andy Reid has been criticized for these second half collapses
in playoff games, even at home, so part of how
he plays runs counter to Andy Reid and his relatively
conservative nature. When he gets to lead in the playoffs,
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I saw he made a cup. He made another throw
where he's rolling to his left, throws it back to
his right and somehow gets it there. But my question becomes,
when it gets ten degrees colder and the competition is
a little bit better, do those throws that leave our
jaws on the floor a lot like far What was
the last throw farv made in the playoffs? For the
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Vikings across his body in New Orleans, right gets picked
off and uh, the the Minnesota Vikings announcer like, how
could you do that? Because he's Brett Farve, That's what
he's done. It does mahomes talent ultimately right a check
that his body can't cash. Oh you stole my line. Yeah, um, yeah,
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I'm a believer in that. I Brett Farve is the
greatest single town I've ever seen played quarterback. And they
should have won three super Bowls and they won one
because of the same thing and makes you laugh, makes
you cry, um, and I have this six filling in
my stomach. The same thing is going to happen to
the Chiefs. Not sick, not that I'm rooting for him,
but I kind of like to see that change. I
would kind of like to see a guy just played
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by um the hair of his chinny chin chin and
make these crazy plays and take them all the way
to the Super Bowl. But history will tell you that
the Tom Brady's of the world, the guys that mitigate risk,
the guys that play the percentages, the guys that are
more scientific and surgical with their approach, are the guys
that will finish this race. Drew Brees when he won
a Super Bowl, Aaron Rodgers the streak key went on,
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even Joe Flacco the hot streak he went on when
they won the Super Bowl. It was precision based, it
wasn't playmaking based. Um. I think Patrick has it in him,
and I think at one point in his career he'll
learn that. But right now he's a butcher, not a surgeon.
He's the best butcher in the history of the world,
but he's not a surgeon. And typically, well, history will
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tell us that the surgeons prevail. Just what history teaches us.
I get having somebody tall in to bat the ball down,
But unless unless Ryan Tannehill has a howitzer that's replaced
his right arm, why was Rob Gronkowski even in the game,
Like there's a bunch of other things that went wrong
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in order for the Dolphins to pull off this miracle,
which he might put him in the playoffs, But ro
Rob Gronkowski looked like Bill Walton with the Celtics at
the end of his run. We're just no legs trying
to move latterly was painful to watch. I guess he's
in there to bat a ball down, But they're not
gonna throw at seventy yards in the air. Why was
he in the game? Yeah, I mean there's one. It's
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a miracle one the odd I mean it's the Astronaum
pause against it working. Everything had to go right for
the Dolphins and there to go wrong for the Patriots,
and it did. Yeah, I don't know why he's in there.
I heard Bill Belichick's comments this morning. It's tough to
argue with anything Bill says, but I think this. I
think any time you get passive in your approach at
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the end of games, it comes back to bite you,
and not just a passive lightenment. If you go back
and watch the play, there's like four defenders at a
chance to go attack the ball, and if they just
attacked the ball, whether they get to tackle or not,
it's gonna disrupt what eventually happened. And then it culminated
in Drownk the biggest part the seasons makes the most
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unathletic move at the end of the play that allows
them to actually get in. But so many things happened
before that that were passive in nature that if they
were aggressive and they attacked, it never even gets back
to Gronk. So there's I mean again, like anything, there's
a lot of layers to it. I think they easily
could have thrown They could have nine guys on the field,
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and they still could have probably stopped this place from
happening if they were aggressive. Um okay, So I think
the Cults exposed the Texans as being not total frauds,
but not nearly what a nine game win streak would
tell you. You look at the teams they've beaten, and
not a lot of strong teams. Of course, they beat
the Cowboys, which looks like a better win now, but
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that they won in overtime on basically one completion. Um,
what's your level of buy into the Houston Texans now
that we've seen Indie go down there and beat them? Well,
there were this I have the same buy yesterday. Doesn't
really affect me. I have the same buying of the Texans.
I have the Bears and the Cowboys. I think they're
very similar teams with a better quarterback play and probably
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not as good as defense, but they have that defensive
front that can disrupt you. They are a low margin
of air team that they've won the majority of their
games in last possession type situations. They play you to
the end. They do a lot of little things. Well,
they definitely have holes, but they can mask those holes
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if they play complementary football. They're a team that's here's
how I would say in then FC. They're not one
of the best teams in the a f C, but
they can play the best of any team in the
a f C. They can make a lot of noise
and even finish this thing and get to the super
Bowl if they play their best. But they have a
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low margin for air because they have probably more holes
in the back half. Defensively, offensive line is a whole,
so they have to play a very certain style of offense.
But they have playmakers. They in the positions you really
want to have. Dynamic players quarterback, wide receiver, defensive line.
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They have those positions. They have those guys, so that alone,
to me makes them a contender. But they have to
play their very bad You're the best man. Appreciate the compiments.
More importantly, appreciate coming on our show every week. Thanks
so much for Edi Kadus. That's uh. Trent Dilfer at
Dilfer's Times on Twitter. Of course, Elite eleven is the
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camp that he runs, and of course the too was there,
Kyler was there before they became Highsman Trophy winners. Trent
Dilfer Sup Bowl Champion joins us every week on The
Doug got Leap Show. Be sure to catch live editions
so the Doug Dot Leap Show weekdays at noon Eastern
three pm Pacific. Back. Take a listen to Sean McVeigh
who's a little bit robotic and does answer things after
lost the exact same way, but listen to some of
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the things he says within his answers a lot more
times than not. You know, they've made me write on
some bad play calls earlier this year where they end
up making great place. Um, but but this was a
good defense. They did an outstanding job. You can see
why they are one of the best, if not the
best defense in the league. And really it's gonna be
something until you go back and look at it. It's
really tough to say, but I know this when I'm
looking at it in terms of some of the intent
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what we're trying to get done on a lot of things,
I know this. I know I did not put our
guys in good spots and and that's something that I
have to be better for within the framework of my
role on what I can control. Yeah, he always takes
the blame. It's my buck stops here, if you like. Look,
at some point he'll coach long enough to where it
will become super transparent to people. But McVeigh offers us
nothing when things go wrong. He takes the blame. When
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things go right, he gives away all of all the
like that. It's all about our players stepping up and
making plays wrong with some All right, you are correct,
So I'm lying. I'm dying. So does that change how
I feel about the Rams? No? Not really, Nope. I mean, look,
the miracle finish in Miami could screw up the entire
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playoff picture. This would happened last year. People forget like again,
history repeats itself last year, all of the losses the
Chargers had And by the way, I think the Charges
have found their kicker with Michael Badgeley. You see, made
the longest kick in Chargers history. He made a huge
forty nine yard to seal the win, made one right
before the break as well. But all of the losses
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that the Chargers took because of their kicking game and
the late collapse by the Baltimore Ravens put the Titans
and the Bills in the playoffs. If that doesn't happen,
all playoffs are different. The Titans and the Bills were
not really playoff teams, but because they get in and
then if you remember, remember what happened with the Tennessee Titans.
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They go and play in Kansas City, didn't they And
they're gonna win in Kansas City, came from behind, end
up winning a playoff game against Kansi Chiefs because that's
what the Kansas c Chiefs do every year. Can't spell
choke without Kansas City anyway. I look at the Dolphins
that that Dolphins lost yesterday will change somebody being in
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the playoffs. Who is rightfully a playoff team, whether it's
a team like the Colts. Remember the Colts gave away
a tie to the Houston Texans early in the season.
Then they went down and beat the Texans. The Colts
are a better team than the Texans. Their records not better,
but they're a better football team. But they gave away
a tie or in the year and everybody's like, oh,
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you went for it. You didn't get it. It was
on your own forty nine yard line, but you didn't
play for a tie, even though a first down wouldn't
have given you a win, but you went for it,
and h that was somehow smart. If the Colts don't
get in and the Dolphins do because of that play
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kind of stuff, that that throws off the entire equilibrium
to the playoffs. Somebody gets essentially a first round by
playing against the Dolphins on their home field, That's what
it is. Whereas the Colts come in on your home
feeling like, dude, they got Andrew Luck and they got
Rick Ebron and they they're pretty damn they got Andrew Luck.
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He gives you a fighting chance. But my thoughts on
the rams of this, They're gonna play the rest of
their games either in l A or in the Dome.
That's it. If they were. If Chicago had a better record,
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would I be scared of death? Hell yeah? If Green
Bay had two losses, will I'd be scared of Hell yeah?
If the Philadelphia Eagles were really good this year and
they had to go into Philadelphia in that hornet's nest
in the freezing cold, would I be scaring hell? Oh yeah?
And even though New Orleans has beaten them previously and
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could beat him straight up this year, it could they
could beat him again. You know, New Orleans is the
opposite of what the Rams are. The Rams line up
in the same formation every time, same thing every time,
and run a million different variations, whereas the Saints line
up in a different formation with a different group of
players every time and sometimes run the same place, just
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trying to create a different mismatch. But whether they go
to New Orleans or play in l A, like Jared
Goff looked terribly uncomfortable. My wife has been doing this thing.
And I don't know if Ramo is your wife did
like she grew up in Oklahoma. Oklahoma does get cold,
super cool, windy or whatever, not like frigid. And then
we're in Connecticut and she did not like the cold
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weather Connecticut, and so it's been like high fifties at night,
and she's acting like our our house is in n
iglu got like cranked up to like six sixty nine.
I'm like, oh, here's how cold it is. Put on
some thick, fuzzy socks and let's snuggle. But what happens
is when you spend a year in l A, fifty
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degrees gets cold forty degrees, you feel like you're in
the Arctic and thirdy degrees. Hell has officially frozen over.
But the Rams aren't playing in Hell the rest of
the year. They're playing in l A. I mean they
got the toughest game they have remaining is the Eagles
at home next week after that cakewalk City? So am
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I a little bit bothered that Jared Goff went forced
to win a game? Can't shore the same problem as
last year. Do I think they miss Cooper Cup yep?
I do. He was. He was better than his replacement
Josh Reynolds, but but they're all pro kicker missed an
uncharacteristic field goal, probably because it's freaking cold. Their young quarterback,
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who who grew up in warm weather always plays well
in warm weather and doesn't like cold weather, played poorly
because it's cold. And they lost to a really good
team with a really good front seven by nine points.
So I'm supposed to freak out here, but the realist
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of me says, I don't have to go to Chicago anymore,
Thank God.
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the Doug gottli Show on Fox Sports Radio. Boom, What
Up America, Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Man, I
hope you had a great weekend. I sure did because
I like watching football on television and I was rewarded
for such a non athletic practice. Huh. Also, great college
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hoops got new number one with Kansas, a team that
they beat Tennessee earlier this year in Tennessee took down Gonzaga.
Lakers continue to win well. They add some veteran pieces.
We'll get to that upcoming. Man, do we have a
tremendous show for it? Tremendous show. Trendelfer is gonna join
us in fifteen minutes. Winston Moss, the now former Packers
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linebackers coach, will join us in an hour and Michael Lombardi,
former NFL GM would stunned me if he became a
member of the Raiders again in the future. I'm gonna
join us later on the show. So we got a
time to get to I'll give you my thoughts on
Reggie Mackenzie and I'll give you my thoughts on the
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Dallas Cowboys. Huh, which to start with? Let's start with Mackenzie.
But the stories are similar. Here's what we do. Here's
what we do. We do black and white analysis, all right,
we do right and left politics and black and white analysis.
Trades aren't fair trades. They're either good or they're bad.
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Oh that's a great trade. There's a terrible trade. There
is no fair trades, right that would actually be reasonable
and have a reasonable sports conclusion. What's amazing about the
tenure short tenure of John Gruden is this assumption that
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he has no idea what he's doing. That he gave
away Khalil mack that he gave away Amari Cooper, and
that their awesomeness with the Chicago Bears who beat the
l A Rams yesterday and with the Dallas Cowboys who
beat the Philadelphia Eagles yesterday only proves that John Gruden
is an idiot. Now, there's a multitude of levels to it.
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The first thing that John Gruden did wrong was had
an awesome job. Listen, this is what he truly did wrong. Okay,
he had a great job with Monday Night Football. He
had been offered a job in college football year after year,
a chance to come back to the NFL several times over.
And the only way to get a guy out of
a dream job or out of a pushed job where
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he can he could have been there like John Madden
thirty years, was to overpay him. And the only way
in which you'll overpay a guy and get him to
believe in a rebuilding job is to overpay him for
a long period of time. But because he got a
deal which has been reported as and he said misreport
is a hundred million dollars. Now, all of a sudden,
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John Gruden's the worst. You're the worst. You're making a
hundred minute like, hey, dude, we're the Raiders. Any good
last year? Were they any good last year? Nope? Oh?
But oh, but but but but but they had Khalil Mack.
And by trading away Khalil Mack, they were awful. You know,
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when they made the playoffs in two thousand and sixteen,
they were actually twenty six and points allowed per game
and thirty second in sex per game. Clear Mack was
on the team that Clearmack didn't want to be paid.
He wanted to be paid above that of anybody had
ever played his position in the NFL for longer than
anybody had ever been paid above that position in the NFL.
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So what cleil Mac was saying was, Hey, I know
we suck, but I'm not the reason we suck, and
so instead of being part of the process of fixing it,
I would like to be overpaid, so it makes it
harder to fix the problem. You cannot like the John
Gruden trade, but John Garden getting two first rounders for
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clil Mack was a great trade. And as he told
everybody who would listen, the other picks that were exchanged,
he had nothing to do with Who did Reggie Mackenzie,
And so did anybody who sits there and goes like, hey,
Reggie Mackenzie had no draft picks and no money, and
he put a team in the place he did one time,
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one time, and when they did, they went forward on
fourth down. More than any team in the National Football League. Look,
Reggie mackenzie hadn't done a great job. He'd been there
since two thousand twelve, so we're talking six years. He
got to one playoff and they were in cap hell,
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and they hadn't drafted particularly well outside of that. You know,
Yeah he got Clio mac Yeah he got uh Mary Cooper?
Did you know what Mary Cooper is? Rookie season, he
led the NFL and drops and dropped percentage. Do you
know in his second season he had only four drops
all year? But last season he led the NFL and
drop rate percentage. Again, like, oh, why did they trade
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him away? Look, if you want to know, if you
want to really tell the Gray story, not he wasn't
a good trade. A bad trade because you wouldn't give
up a first round pick for a guy who's gonna
make fourteen million dollars next year, which a lot of
money considering he led the NFL and dropped percentage last year.
Unless he's a pretty good player Eagles need a wide receiver,
wouldn't trade a first rounder for him, would only offer
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a second rounder. The story is not that Gruten's an
idiot or that the Cowboys are geniuses knowing that they
needed a number one guy after cutting bait with Dez Bryant.
The story is other people didn't didn't value him. The
entire league had an opportunity to trade for him, and
nobody else offered it first. In this world of black
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and white, there's a lot of gray or silver, if
you will. And while we're sitting here saying Reggie mackenzie
got fired after six years and how how could John
Gruden do this? And why would they leave him toiling
in the wind? Look, dude, this is what happens everywhere.
What do you think just happened in Green Bay? Mike
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McCarthy was there forever. Then Brian Guns gets promoted to
becoming the general manager, and suddenly Mike McCarthy's out of
a job. Why is that? Because everybody wants to hire
their guy. Duh. Doug Whaley was the general manager of
the Buffalo Bills. They hire Sean McDermott from the Carolina Panthers.
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He comes in, Doug Whaley loses his job. Been where
do they go to get their gentle manager that Carolina Panthers?
Why because everybody wants to hire their guy. Dave Gettleman
gets the job with the New York Giants and suddenly
they make a coaching change. Why because everybody wants to
hire their guy. So the only thing that John Gruden
did wrong was make a whole hell of a lot
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of money because he had an awesome job and get
another job back in the NFL that he can't be
fired from. Because that's the only reason you don't go
back in the NFL. Hey, man, don't go back. NFL
stands for not for long, they'll fire you. And John
Gruden's like, well, what if I got a ten year deal, Like, well,
then you should go back. College coaches do the exact
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same thing. The media, who have never been in that
sort of position of power okay in negotiations, don't understand, like, man,
he's got a twenty million dollar buy out, why so
that when he has a bad year or he has
been What happened to Cliff Kingsbury this year? Cliff Kingsbury
went through five quarterbacks. Now do I think Cliff Kingsbury
is the greatest head coach ever? Probably not. Hasn't been
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able to figure out the defense, although it felt like
they were really finally close to turning the corner. But whatever,
the only reason he got fired this year was he
only had a four million dollar buyout. Coaches make these
ridiculous salaries, have these ridiculous buyouts for one reason and
one reason only, so you can't fire them when they
have a bad year. That's it. You can't fire them
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when they have a bad year because they want to
unpack emotionally. They want to be able to recruit and
go into somebody's home and good, look, I'm gonna be there.
Don't believe me. They're gonna pay me twenty million dollars
to not coach this team, and only Texas A and
M will actually do that. So the world is I
know that we do this black and white analysis. Oh,
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it's a terrible trade for Grooden, Like, no, it's not.
He got three first round picks for two players. It
seems like a pretty damn good trade. He couldn't afford
to keep clear Mack, and even with clear Mac still
not any good. Don't believe me. I have data right here.
Two thousand, fourteen, thirty second in points per game, twenty
six and sacks. That's Khalil max rookie year twenty two
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and points per game his second year nineteens and sacks
per game two thousand sixteen to make the playoffs their
thirty second and sacks per game. Clue Mack, by the way,
was Defensive Player of the Year the year. It's a
team game. John Gruden knows this, understands this, and it
doesn't mean any disrespect for towards clue Mack. Actually more respect.
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No defensive player has ever been traded for two first
round picks ever, And so instead of watching the Cowboys winning,
the Bears wint going like see Gruden's an idiot, or going,
you know what, Gruden got appropriate value. Maybe the Bears
didn't overpay, Maybe the Cowboys didn't overpay like the rest
of the league thought, which brings us to the Dallas Cowboys,
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who won again and Dak Prescott somehow becomes a conquering
hero in the Black and White and analysis. He wins,
throws three touchdown passes Aldelmari Cooper and two of which
the one that should have been intercepted at the end
wasn't a dime, but two of which were absolute dimes.
Trent Dilfer. Dilfer's dimes joins us five minutes in the
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show Coming up in the show Absolute Dimes, seeds man
to man coverage, put it where only his wide receiver
could catch it, and he never had to break stride.
They were perfect. How was he the first three quarters? Horrible? Okay,
but he's not a horrible quarterback. And he's not a
great quarterback. And the difference between good and great and
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dad is good, fine, not great. It's not that he
can't He's not like Tim Tebow where he physically can't
throw a football accurately. It's the percentage of times in
which he makes the right and read the right throw
and delivers it in the right place. The best of
the best of the best do it at a higher
percentage of time than everybody else. He's somewhere towards the
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middle pack. But we want to we don't want to
do that. We want to either Deck is a franchise
quarterback or he's a bum, And the truth is he's
somewhere in between. Meanwhile, Jason Garrett knows this. That's why
he has a defense that keeps him close, an offense
that needed one more weapon. And oh yeah, by the way,
they're on their way to winning the division, getting to
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the playoffs, and all of the idiots on TV and
radio that said, he only has his job because he's
friends with Jerry Jones. Hey, guess what, it's a good
idea to be friends with your boss. By the way,
happy purbey my boss, Scott Shapiro. Um, he turns thirties
six or thirty seven today. I really have no idea
how old he is. But boy Wonder is becoming a
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man and we'll see if his vikings can get a
win on Monday Night football. The reason Jason Garrett's a
really good coach is because he's found a way to
win with different groups of talent, different styles. Would you
like to run the oop dep that Kansas Cities running? Sure,
But you know he doesn't have He doesn't have Tyreek Hill,
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he doesn't have Pat Mahomes. He doesn't have you know,
Jason uh Travis Kelsey. Yeah. People wanted about maybe a
bum or he wants to be the next Lombardi or
the next um Tom Landry. The truth is is somewhere
in the middle and probably to the upper half. That's
why they've only had one bad year. And that bad
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year was when Tony Romo kept getting hurt. They had
no good backup. Be sure to catch live editions of
the Doug dot Leap Show weekdays in noon eastern three
pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart
Radio app. Let's ask Trent Dilford. He's won a Super Bowl.
You can fall him on Twitter at Dilford's Dimes. He
joins us in the Doug got Lip Show here on
Fox Sports Radio. Um, Look, every time Sean mcveigh's team loses,
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he has these great expressions where he takes all the
blame and casting out of it on the players. I'm
just wondering if there's any cause for concern considering how
poorly Jared Goff in the offense looked against that Bears defense. Well,
I think there's cause for concern if they don't address
if you don't learn from it, and you know this
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as a competitor, that there's nothing wrong with having a
stinker if you grow from It's when you get defensive.
You're not self aware, you're not willing to um look
in the mirror at why it happened. That's when it
becomes a problem. And I think for the Rams, the narratives,
because the low hanging fruit is cold weather, Jared Goff
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has small hands. California kid Cooper cop I get and
there are all reasons. I'm not just diminishing them, but
they're just things that are realities that you can correct.
Jared Goff can learn how to play better in cold weather,
and he did. He played like crap. I'd be the
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first to say that, and he will. He looked uncomfortable,
he looked cold. He had a hard time loading the
ball backwards as he took it back. That's where a
heavy cold ball, that's where it affects you is when
you take it back, you feel like you're gonna lose
your grip. And you can see the difference in his
in his release. But you know what, Mr Bisky struggled
with it too, So he hasn't fully learned how to
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play in cold weather. Um, but you learned through that there.
They'll adjust to losing Cooper cop I would assume they're
gonna learn to play more the two tight end package,
which they did a little bit at the end of
the game when they had some success. Um, they'll coach better.
All those things are correctible to me. The biggest thing
that came out of last night was it was the
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first time the Rams weren't able to dictate terms offensively
and let me explain, and let me explain it. And
Chris did a nice job trying to explain how they're
dependent upon the run game and run sets up play
action and YadA, YadA, YadA. But to drill down a
little deeper, it's this simple. The Rams dictate terms because
they force you into personnel groupings and don't allow you
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to substitute. And within those personnel groupings, they then force
you into two different types of coverage cells a two
high cover cellar one high covered shell. When they get
you where they want you, they throw or pass based
on what show you're in. So they're controlling the terms
of the game. Makes sense. What the Bears. What the
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Bears can do defensively is they don't get out of
there too high shell. They can control the run game
with their front seven, not recruit extra players in so
sean then so victim to calling plays against two high
shell defense and it wasn't working and it got them
all out of sorts. See can I can I give
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you the basketball analogy to that? Yep? Okay, So this
is the interesting part about the Warriors when they get
DeMarcus Cousins. When DeMarcus Cousins becomes available, right, they have
always when they've won these championships, They've always gone small
to win championships. And what that means is offensively, Draymond
Green kind of a non shooting on score, but he
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can play out high and handle the basketball, and maybe
have Andrea Goodala who can also be a cutter, but
more of he's a guard. But because they can match
up to you defensively with that size and with that
length um, you have to match them playing small. You
can't play big because they'll simply use Draymond as a screener.
And now you have their your center guarding Steph Curry,
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which is a bad matchup. Right, That's what they would
do with Kevin Love. They'd make Kevin Love guard the
basketball and only one time in Game seven did he
stop Steph Curry, and that's why they won a championship. Well,
now you've got DeMarcus Cousins, and Cousins is a center.
If you play him at the end of a game,
that changes the spacing of the floor offensively, but defensively,
it's a second guy in addition to Steph Curry you
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can attack. So maybe they won't be able to dictate
terms either. There's some some similarities in the basketball and
the football. Nowogy fair, totally fair, and a lot of
what I've learned from football because my I started playing
basketball young age. I was a better basketball player I
was football player. And I don't have close to the
acumen that you have, but I understand the space, the matchups,
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the movement patterns. All that stuff is very, very transferable
to football. Doug gotlip show here on Fox Sports Radio. Um,
I talked I did a Bears game early this year,
and I talked to some of the front office guys,
and they love Mite. Man. We had to get Trabinsky
because we had Cutler before and everybody hated Cutler of
the personality, and Trabinsky has got just the greatest way
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around the guys. And I was like, that's great, But
you could have had Mahomes right and and they're like, well,
Mahomes would have played earlier. It might have been a disaster.
We know he has a higher ceiling, but we love
Is Trabinsky good enough in your opinion? Anybody's I'm good
enough to play with that defense? Uh? And that play caller? Um,
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they have a special thing on defense. I'm not gonna
say that Bears and two thousand Ravens, even the two thousand,
what two Buccaneers, They're not that kind of good. That
kind of good defense will never happen again just because
the rule changes in the amount of good quarterbacks in
the game. Um, but there Vic Fangio, when he gets
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the right people, plays the hardest scheme in football to
play against, and he has to go back to Vic Fangio.
This is all I can think about last night, was
I was very close to those forty nine teams, because
everybody knows I don't hide it up. Very good friends
with Trent ball Key. He was the gm uh New
Harbor really well like, was very close to those teams.
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And Vic was the secret sauce of those back to
back to back NC championship teams. Jim had a boring
ass offense, not that creative offensively. They were never good,
very good offensively, but Vic ran an awesome defense, and
Bulky got him studded well. Patrick Ross was already there
through Scott McLuhan, who rode Rome the middle. They have
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those two guys in Rocan Smith and Treve Athon. He
had the two edge guys to the best edge guys
in football. Mod Brooks All the Smith to game records.
He has those two guys in Chicago with Mac and
m Floyd. He had Justin Smith is one of the
best defensive and chair a lineman and all probably in
the last twenty years in football. And he has that
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with Hicks, and he had guys in the back end
that were really good eyes on quarterback zone players that
had man abilities. That's exactly what the Bears have. I mean,
it is a snapshot of what he had. I mean
it's a replica, sorry, of what he had in San Francisco.
And when you give vic fan Joe these pieces, it's
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gonna be really hard to move the ball against the defense.
It's gonna be really hard to score points, especially in
critical moments. I say all that because anybody can play
quarterback if you don't turn the balls. Mitch needs to
quit turning the ball over. He doesn't have to be
a superhero. He's fine being a pick and stick scramble guy.
And that's what he is. He's a talented kid that
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can throw accurately the number one and if number one
is not there, he's athletic and big enough to go
get some sneaky yards with his seat. They're never gonna
put up a bunch of points consistently. They're I don't
think they're gonna be as the season grows on and
people write the book as they're writing on Mr. Rabinski,
They're not going to be dynamic like the Chiefs um,
(20:20):
but he's good enough. I think. I think the Cowboys
and the Bears are kind of the same team that
if they play their formula and they get people in
their place, they have similar style quarterbacks, similar style defenses,
and they're gonna make it a really tough game deep
into the fourth quarter. I think eventually neither one of
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those are enough to be Drew Brees and the Saints
or even the Rams if it's in l A. But
it's pretty darn good. It's a. It's A. It's a.
It's a. It's a great great point here, um and one. Well,
here's what I said to open the show. It's like, look,
we want black and white analysis. We want me If
I say Mitch can't play less not accurate, Mitch can
(21:04):
play or you know, if you watch if you watch
dak right, he throws He's terrible the first three quarters.
Then he throws a couple of seeds to MARII Cooper
like the truth this somewhere in the middle and trying
to find a way in which you can hide the
bad stuff or get through the bad stuff so the
good stuff comes out. That's more realistic analysis when we're
(21:24):
pushed with just how we're pushing the media today too.
He can play, he can't play good trade, bad trade.
There is no in between when the truth is in between,
fair Doug. That's why I do your show. I say
no to thirty five shows a week. I do your
show Why We've been friends forever. But you don't do
black and white analysions. You go against the grain. That's
why I love this week, this twenty minutes every week.
I talked to my point. Let me get back to
(21:46):
my point though, because it's really really an important point
for your listeners is that if you're looking for black
and white analysis on the NFL, you just want to
be part of the lowest common anomor you just want
to win some super wrought water cooler argument, and that
is unwinnable. Um, the answer is both. In sports and football, whatever,
the answer is usually both. It's like politics, the crazy
(22:08):
rights wrong on the crazy left is wrong. Both are wrong,
and both are right. Sports sports a microcosm of that, right.
It's just it's an exactly And if you want to
actually learn how to enjoy watching football more, then be
willing to kind of see both sides of it. And
(22:28):
that's what any any good analysis is gonna be as
seeing both sides. And I can see how the Bears
can win the Super Bowl, and I can see how
they can't, and I can give you reasons for both,
and so can other good UH analysts. And that's kind
of what this comes down to is I think Patrick
Mahomes is crazy. But I was asked this morning if
he's the best. I said, I'm not gonna dumb down
(22:50):
my answer to that, because as soon as I say
he's the best, what am I saying about Drew Brees
and Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers and Philip Rivers. I mean,
you know, I talked things that are good about both.
I talked to NFL GM last night. He was coming
home from his game. I was talking on the phone
and I said, did you see the Mahomes pass? He said,
I actually did. He was talking to his quarterback coach
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and he's like, I've never actually seen that done before,
never actually like a no look crossing route on the
money in an NFL game. Now, you know, people, you
take it with a grainted you. You take it in
the spirit that I think most people when people called
you a game manager, but you were, you wouldn't have
been draft as highly as you were drafted coming out
of President State unless you could play. You've you've coached
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some of the best of the best of you the
lead eleven camp. How many times have you seen a
guy throw a no look crossing route in a game
before far I've seen far do everything Mahomes has done,
and I was in namorous Mahomes as anybody people just
I guess it's just too long ago ninety five, six
seven or six seven eight when you won the three
(23:56):
m vps. Brett Farve did everything Mahomes has done, and
he did it in eight degree weather in lambeau Field.
So what we're seeing isn't new, But I've only other
seen one other guy do it um and he now
he's doing it. The cool thing about my Homes he's
doing it in this like high offtame hybrid Saturday offense thing,
(24:17):
which is just awesome to watch. Where Brett did it
more conventional old school West Coast Pro style offense. I've
seen Brett doing a game. I've seen guys do it
in practice. We goof around with it in practice with
high school kids. It's not the fact that he's physically
able to do it, it's the fact that he actually
did it in the game when the game was on
the line. Uh is amazing. I mean, I love the kid.
(24:41):
He's must see TV. He's on my big screen. I
got five TVs these in the middle every week. There
was a little bit of humble break there. I do
have a question though, that goes with that. Okay, Now,
Andy Reid has been criticized for these second half collapses
in playoff games, even at home, so part of how
he plays runs counter to Andy Reid and his relatively
conservative nature. When he gets to lead in the playoffs,
(25:03):
I saw he made a cup. He made another throw
where he's rolling to his left, throws it back to
his right and somehow gets it there. But my question becomes,
when it gets ten degrees colder and the competition is
a little bit better, do those throws that leave our
jaws on the floor a lot like far What was
the last throw farv made in the playoffs? For the
(25:24):
Vikings across his body in New Orleans, right gets picked
off and uh, the the Minnesota Vikings announcer like, how
could you do that? Because he's Brett Farve, That's what
he's done. It does mahomes talent ultimately right a check
that his body can't cash. Oh you stole my line. Yeah, um, yeah,
(25:46):
I'm a believer in that. I Brett Farve is the
greatest single town I've ever seen played quarterback. And they
should have won three super Bowls and they won one
because of the same thing and makes you laugh, makes
you cry, um, and I have this six filling in
my stomach. The same thing is going to happen to
the Chiefs. Not sick, not that I'm rooting for him,
but I kind of like to see that change. I
would kind of like to see a guy just played
(26:07):
by um the hair of his chinny chin chin and
make these crazy plays and take them all the way
to the Super Bowl. But history will tell you that
the Tom Brady's of the world, the guys that mitigate risk,
the guys that play the percentages, the guys that are
more scientific and surgical with their approach, are the guys
that will finish this race. Drew Brees when he won
a Super Bowl, Aaron Rodgers the streak key went on,
(26:30):
even Joe Flacco the hot streak he went on when
they won the Super Bowl. It was precision based, it
wasn't playmaking based. Um. I think Patrick has it in him,
and I think at one point in his career he'll
learn that. But right now he's a butcher, not a surgeon.
He's the best butcher in the history of the world,
but he's not a surgeon. And typically, well, history will
(26:53):
tell us that the surgeons prevail. Just what history teaches us.
I get having somebody tall in to bat the ball down,
But unless unless Ryan Tannehill has a howitzer that's replaced
his right arm, why was Rob Gronkowski even in the game,
Like there's a bunch of other things that went wrong
(27:14):
in order for the Dolphins to pull off this miracle,
which he might put him in the playoffs, But ro
Rob Gronkowski looked like Bill Walton with the Celtics at
the end of his run. We're just no legs trying
to move latterly was painful to watch. I guess he's
in there to bat a ball down, But they're not
gonna throw at seventy yards in the air. Why was
he in the game? Yeah, I mean there's one. It's
(27:34):
a miracle one the odd I mean it's the Astronaum
pause against it working. Everything had to go right for
the Dolphins and there to go wrong for the Patriots,
and it did. Yeah, I don't know why he's in there.
I heard Bill Belichick's comments this morning. It's tough to
argue with anything Bill says, but I think this. I
think any time you get passive in your approach at
(27:58):
the end of games, it comes back to bite you,
and not just a passive lightenment. If you go back
and watch the play, there's like four defenders at a
chance to go attack the ball, and if they just
attacked the ball, whether they get to tackle or not,
it's gonna disrupt what eventually happened. And then it culminated
in Drownk the biggest part the seasons makes the most
(28:19):
unathletic move at the end of the play that allows
them to actually get in. But so many things happened
before that that were passive in nature that if they
were aggressive and they attacked, it never even gets back
to Gronk. So there's I mean again, like anything, there's
a lot of layers to it. I think they easily
could have thrown They could have nine guys on the field,
(28:40):
and they still could have probably stopped this place from
happening if they were aggressive. Um okay, So I think
the Cults exposed the Texans as being not total frauds,
but not nearly what a nine game win streak would
tell you. You look at the teams they've beaten, and
not a lot of strong teams. Of course, they beat
the Cowboys, which looks like a better win now, but
(29:00):
that they won in overtime on basically one completion. Um,
what's your level of buy into the Houston Texans now
that we've seen Indie go down there and beat them? Well,
there were this I have the same buy yesterday. Doesn't
really affect me. I have the same buying of the Texans.
I have the Bears and the Cowboys. I think they're
very similar teams with a better quarterback play and probably
(29:22):
not as good as defense, but they have that defensive
front that can disrupt you. They are a low margin
of air team that they've won the majority of their
games in last possession type situations. They play you to
the end. They do a lot of little things. Well,
they definitely have holes, but they can mask those holes
(29:43):
if they play complementary football. They're a team that's here's
how I would say in then FC. They're not one
of the best teams in the a f C, but
they can play the best of any team in the
a f C. They can make a lot of noise
and even finish this thing and get to the super
Bowl if they play their best. But they have a
(30:04):
low margin for air because they have probably more holes
in the back half. Defensively, offensive line is a whole,
so they have to play a very certain style of offense.
But they have playmakers. They in the positions you really
want to have. Dynamic players quarterback, wide receiver, defensive line.
(30:25):
They have those positions. They have those guys, so that alone,
to me makes them a contender. But they have to
play their very bad You're the best man. Appreciate the compiments.
More importantly, appreciate coming on our show every week. Thanks
so much for Edi Kadus. That's uh. Trent Dilfer at
Dilfer's Times on Twitter. Of course, Elite eleven is the
(30:46):
camp that he runs, and of course the too was there,
Kyler was there before they became Highsman Trophy winners. Trent
Dilfer Sup Bowl Champion joins us every week on The
Doug got Leap Show. Be sure to catch live editions
so the Doug Dot Leap Show weekdays at noon Eastern
three pm Pacific. Back. Take a listen to Sean McVeigh
who's a little bit robotic and does answer things after
lost the exact same way, but listen to some of
(31:07):
the things he says within his answers a lot more
times than not. You know, they've made me write on
some bad play calls earlier this year where they end
up making great place. Um, but but this was a
good defense. They did an outstanding job. You can see
why they are one of the best, if not the
best defense in the league. And really it's gonna be
something until you go back and look at it. It's
really tough to say, but I know this when I'm
looking at it in terms of some of the intent
(31:28):
what we're trying to get done on a lot of things,
I know this. I know I did not put our
guys in good spots and and that's something that I
have to be better for within the framework of my
role on what I can control. Yeah, he always takes
the blame. It's my buck stops here, if you like. Look,
at some point he'll coach long enough to where it
will become super transparent to people. But McVeigh offers us
nothing when things go wrong. He takes the blame. When
(31:50):
things go right, he gives away all of all the
like that. It's all about our players stepping up and
making plays wrong with some All right, you are correct,
So I'm lying. I'm dying. So does that change how
I feel about the Rams? No? Not really, Nope. I mean, look,
the miracle finish in Miami could screw up the entire
(32:11):
playoff picture. This would happened last year. People forget like again,
history repeats itself last year, all of the losses the
Chargers had And by the way, I think the Charges
have found their kicker with Michael Badgeley. You see, made
the longest kick in Chargers history. He made a huge
forty nine yard to seal the win, made one right
before the break as well. But all of the losses
(32:35):
that the Chargers took because of their kicking game and
the late collapse by the Baltimore Ravens put the Titans
and the Bills in the playoffs. If that doesn't happen,
all playoffs are different. The Titans and the Bills were
not really playoff teams, but because they get in and
then if you remember, remember what happened with the Tennessee Titans.
(32:57):
They go and play in Kansas City, didn't they And
they're gonna win in Kansas City, came from behind, end
up winning a playoff game against Kansi Chiefs because that's
what the Kansas c Chiefs do every year. Can't spell
choke without Kansas City anyway. I look at the Dolphins
that that Dolphins lost yesterday will change somebody being in
(33:20):
the playoffs. Who is rightfully a playoff team, whether it's
a team like the Colts. Remember the Colts gave away
a tie to the Houston Texans early in the season.
Then they went down and beat the Texans. The Colts
are a better team than the Texans. Their records not better,
but they're a better football team. But they gave away
a tie or in the year and everybody's like, oh,
(33:42):
you went for it. You didn't get it. It was
on your own forty nine yard line, but you didn't
play for a tie, even though a first down wouldn't
have given you a win, but you went for it,
and h that was somehow smart. If the Colts don't
get in and the Dolphins do because of that play
(34:03):
kind of stuff, that that throws off the entire equilibrium
to the playoffs. Somebody gets essentially a first round by
playing against the Dolphins on their home field, That's what
it is. Whereas the Colts come in on your home
feeling like, dude, they got Andrew Luck and they got
Rick Ebron and they they're pretty damn they got Andrew Luck.
(34:23):
He gives you a fighting chance. But my thoughts on
the rams of this, They're gonna play the rest of
their games either in l A or in the Dome.
That's it. If they were. If Chicago had a better record,
(34:43):
would I be scared of death? Hell yeah? If Green
Bay had two losses, will I'd be scared of Hell yeah?
If the Philadelphia Eagles were really good this year and
they had to go into Philadelphia in that hornet's nest
in the freezing cold, would I be scaring hell? Oh yeah?
And even though New Orleans has beaten them previously and
(35:04):
could beat him straight up this year, it could they
could beat him again. You know, New Orleans is the
opposite of what the Rams are. The Rams line up
in the same formation every time, same thing every time,
and run a million different variations, whereas the Saints line
up in a different formation with a different group of
players every time and sometimes run the same place, just
(35:24):
trying to create a different mismatch. But whether they go
to New Orleans or play in l A, like Jared
Goff looked terribly uncomfortable. My wife has been doing this thing.
And I don't know if Ramo is your wife did
like she grew up in Oklahoma. Oklahoma does get cold,
super cool, windy or whatever, not like frigid. And then
we're in Connecticut and she did not like the cold
(35:46):
weather Connecticut, and so it's been like high fifties at night,
and she's acting like our our house is in n
iglu got like cranked up to like six sixty nine.
I'm like, oh, here's how cold it is. Put on
some thick, fuzzy socks and let's snuggle. But what happens
is when you spend a year in l A, fifty
(36:08):
degrees gets cold forty degrees, you feel like you're in
the Arctic and thirdy degrees. Hell has officially frozen over.
But the Rams aren't playing in Hell the rest of
the year. They're playing in l A. I mean they
got the toughest game they have remaining is the Eagles
at home next week after that cakewalk City? So am
(36:30):
I a little bit bothered that Jared Goff went forced
to win a game? Can't shore the same problem as
last year. Do I think they miss Cooper Cup yep?
I do. He was. He was better than his replacement
Josh Reynolds, but but they're all pro kicker missed an
uncharacteristic field goal, probably because it's freaking cold. Their young quarterback,
(36:55):
who who grew up in warm weather always plays well
in warm weather and doesn't like cold weather, played poorly
because it's cold. And they lost to a really good
team with a really good front seven by nine points.
So I'm supposed to freak out here, but the realist
(37:16):
of me says, I don't have to go to Chicago anymore,
Thank God.
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Doug Gottlieb
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