December 12, 2018 • 37 mins
Doug explains why it’s ok for Kevin Durant to not like LeBron James when discussing his top scorers of all time. He also thinks the Ravens are making the right choice by sticking with Lamar Jackson at QB. And Greg Cosell from NFL Films stops by to tell Doug why the Vikings have struggled on offense.
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You know, there's this thing in life where there's a
belief that in order to be respected, you have to
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be liked, and in order to succeed, you got to
get along with everybody around you. Now, look, I think
that is generally a good path to go down. There
is no res into naturally create enemies, because enemies, you know,
if you're successful, there's gonna be people who are um
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jealous of your success no matter what you do, and
there you're going to make enemies, even through no fault
of your own. But the fact is, you don't have
to like everybody you play with, and you definitely don't
have to like those you play against. We got a
bunch of college football stuff. We've got some NFL stuff
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to get to. I got some thoughts for you on
Will Greer choosing to not play in the bowl game
for West Virginia. Ryan Hollins will join us. We'll talk
uh some NBA with the Lakers suddenly on the rise,
Clippers thinking they got a shot at Kauai. Mark Slaverth
is gonna join us. We'll ask him just how good
has case Keenum been? As so many offered up what
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a terrible signing to get Kirk Cousins last year, and
I offered up yesterday on this show and on social
media you there was no better option, no better option.
We'll talk with stan Cup coming in the show. I
saw this from Sham's Sharania, who works for Stadium Sports.
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He talked with Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant went on another
Yahoo podcast and said, Hey, there's gonna be statues up
in front of me in San Francisco, in front of
all of us in San Francisco when they opened the
new arena next year. We'll get to that in a moment.
But he also said this to Sham Sharania. Kobe m J.
Kyrie just the way they move. I don't understand why
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people don't realize what they're seeing in these three, especially
Jordan and Kobe. Kyrie is younger than me, and that's
one of my best friends, so I watched his stuff.
I get to play with Steph every day, so I
know his game inside and out. But watching Kobe and Mike,
I'm like, how do you not realize how good these
dudes are? How do you not say they're far better
than anybody who's played the game, just the way they move,
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how fluid they are. Everybody that comes to my house,
whether it's friends or family, I make them watch Jordan highlights.
This is the equivalent to Einstein fffing, Ludwin von Beethoven
or Obama the greatest talents and athletes of the of
the world. Just because they play sports, people think one
way they're the masters, they're the geniuses. I just started
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to realize that a few years ago. Watching those guys
can really spark my creativity. Huh Now, because he doesn't
say Lebron James offers up two things. One eight on
respect Lebron James. Two he's trying to take shine off
Lebron James. What did Katie tell us before the season
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began that k D in front of a microphone would
be honest to a fault. Now, part of this is
I don't think he and Lebron James are friends. Secondly,
I think that some of this is the pushback over
the way in which Lebron James is uh fond over
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by the media. He said that just going back to
last week, and part of that this is his actual opinion.
Here's what he's saying. I don't think Lebron has game
as much as those guys have game. Right, Like, um,
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here's an example. Brad Pitt is a good looking human being. Right.
I'm a heterosexual male, never thought otherwise, Not that there's
anything wrong with that, but Brad Pitt pulling women doesn't
impress me that much. It just doesn't. George Clooney, what
a good looking man, right, doesn't impressed me that much.
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David Spade, now that impresses me. Have you seen Have
you seen the of women David Spade has dated during
his life, You're like, Wow, that guy's gotta have massive
amounts of game. Lebron James is six ft eight six
ft nine. The rules are set up to help him
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where the defense can't hand check right. The game has
changed where he's essentially the size he is the size
of a nineteen nineties power forward, but there are no
power forwards on the floor anymore. There's one big guy
at most on the floor with Lebron James. And so
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it's not to say that Lebron doesn't have great vision.
What he's saying is like, I don't know. He's bigger,
he's stronger, the rules set up, they build a team
around him. He really only plays one position, which is
Lebron have the ball, create shots himself and other people
played downhill a little bit of bullyball, whereas he likes
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more than creative types like Kobe. Bryant was a master
of understanding angles and push shops and how to expose
somebody's defensive weakness. He also was an expert, an expert
at psychological warfare. Michael Jordan the same that's where Kobe
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got it from. Now, Michael Jordan would create an enemy
out of anybody. But what Lebron James was. He what
Kevin Durant is saying and not mentioning Lebron James is
we're not boys, we're not friends, and I don't like
the style by what she does things because he's just
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bigger and stronger. I like guys that gotta work for it.
They gotta figure out a way as the game evolves
their game, as their body changes, they have to change.
That's exactly what happened with Michael Jordan's. Here's what people
don't understand about Jordan's. When he first got in the league,
he couldn't shoot. He was unbelievable at getting to the rim,
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and he's the greatest explosive finisher in traffic we've ever seen.
And then he became a remarkable mid range to sometimes
long range three point shooter, and then late in his
career he was the best post player we ever saw.
Unbelievable post play for a guard, best post guard for
for a great player. He post up, fade away, and
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that was a little bit of what Kobe Bryant went through. Right.
It wasn't a great shooter. Everything was at the rim.
Then he became a great shooter, and then late in
his career he entered had the Kobe fade. He changed,
he evolved. Kyrie Irving is the best. Why he mentions
Kyrie Irving because I think there's an infatuation with the
creativity of Kyrie Irving finishing at the rim. It's the
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best I've ever seen from a point guard. Rod Strickland
is the one before him, his his godfather, where there's
no angle to finish that shot, and he does. It's
not to say Lebron James isn't good, but it's to
say Lebron James isn't necessarily the creative type. This happens
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in music all the time. Ask a musician who their
favorite music group of all time is, and they sometimes
don't answer the guy who had sold the most records.
Sometimes it's the one that have the most creativity, right
Like Beastie Boys first album, Licensed to Ill. I I
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think like I think of Beastie Boys and Licensed to
Ill as their greatest album, Don't You That was the
first time we had ever kind of heard of them.
That was their breakthrough album. Three White Guys from New
York kind of set it set the hip hop world
on its on its on its spott toob of its taxes.
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But they also didn't play their own instruments. It wasn't
really what they wanted. They kind of sold out and
had to go mainstream in order to make it work.
Paul's boutique. They did play their own instruments, and though
it didn't receive the same amount of fanfare, it had
more of their creativity and they and other music people
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like it better. We've created this world where everybody has
to love everybody, where everybody has to say that what's
current is the greatest, and if you don't say it,
somehow you're just being a contrarian to be a contrarian.
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But the truth is that one Kevin Durant has always
has said this year, I'm just gonna say what I think.
I think what I say to you don't have to
like or even respect everybody, especially when you have a
keen eye for what you do as great. And three,
creativity in one's craft is sometimes more regarded then simply
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success at one's craft, especially by others in that craft.
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The Flaco thing is not a surprise, but um, do
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do you guys think this works long term? Like that
that you can run? I mean, the last two weeks
he's been Lamar Jackson has been helped off the field. Look,
this is this is history repeating itself. Short term win,
long term, it's not a solution. It could get you
to the playoffs this year, and I like the creativity
they're using with Lamark Jackson. But long term, I'm not
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a buyer at all at all. Uh, go ahead, buyer.
I agree with it, and I agree with you that, yeah,
the sustainability is not where it is. But when you
look at the a f C right now and you
see that it's there for the taking, I mean, New
England probably not gonna get home field. You've got Kansas
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City who doesn't have their star running back anymore. You've
got Pittsburgh falling on their face. So I just look
at them as looking at like, hey, this may be
the year. This could be the year where you can
win three road games and go and go to the
super Bowl. So I like it. This is Tebow two
point Oh, it's short term win. Long term they'll don't.
I think they can still need another quarterback. I'm not
sure if you guys are were So do you know
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that the teams that they've played here with Lamar Jacksons quarterback? Yeah? So,
Cincinnati worst defense maybe historically in the history and in
the history of the NFL, Atlanta terrible defense. This year,
who else have they played? Um City? Awful? Who else?
And the third win was uh Oakland, it was Raiders.
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And then this week who do they play? Also stellar
defensive unit? Tampa has actually been really good on third down.
Um that the actual defense, which is is the most
important or one of the most important defensets statistics. So
he's benefited from playing against terrible defenses and and um
and and he's there are parts of which Lamar Jackson's
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game which plays well. And look, it's a lot like
Tebow in that they have a really good defense, They've
got a great kicker, and they shortened the game to
win this way. But in terms of points allowed, points allowed, Sincinnati, Oakland, Tampa, Atlanta,
Kansas City, that's who they That's who they played. Correct,
those are the five worst defenses in football. Five words
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doesn't doesn't come down to you, because it does for me.
Would you rather face Joe Flacco's arm or Lamar Jackson's legs?
And I think that defenses would rather face Joe Flacco's
arm than Lamar Jackson's legs. I I don't I think
once it all depends on once you get a book
on what they're doing once, and it depends on how
your defense is built. But if you can get him
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in third and and seven plus third and long, you'd
much rather face Lamar Jackson, much rather face Lamar Jackson. Uh,
if you gets third and two, well that's that's different.
The problem is like, look, he's gonna get hurt. He's
already gotten hurt the last two weeks. He got taken
out concussion protocol, then he get hurt his leg or
something last week. But he couldn't worked out any better
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for Lamar Jackson, and that there's a desperation from the
coaching staff to get into the playoffs. They play they
play the five worst defenses in football, and he has
a really good defense and and kicking game in order
to to cover up for the fact that they can't.
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Show week days in noon eastern three pm Pacific. Let's
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welcome to Ryan Hollins, who works over there also covers
the Clippers for former Clipper. Ryan Hollands joins us se
him on NBA TV as well. Um, this it feels
like a poorly kept secret. But that that the Clippers
think they're in position to go get a star. But
why do you does it feel like the landscape has changed? Ryan?
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Because like a look, guy grew up in southern California.
No one ever said I wanted to be a Clipper.
It just happened that way for others. Why is the
landscape maybe changed? Oh, I appreciate you, Brad. I mean
that the flat out the look still l a Uh,
there's there's nothing like that compares. Obviously, New York is
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an attractive market. Uh. The Clippers have done a great
job of positioning themselves, uh to have a healthy organization
because that matters is here in the case that Kevin
Durant and Kawhi Leonard. Are you gonna leave the penthouse
for the outhouse? You know what I'm saying. So the
Clippers have put themselves in a situation where you can
easily look at that team and see, hey, I can
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win a championship here. I could be the piece that
takes uh takes the Clippers over the top. Uh. Not
to mention Douck, I've never heard this ever ever in
history of the NBA. Ever, guys on other teams actually
voicing that I want to go and play for the Clippers.
Kawhi Leonard voice that okay, Jimmy Butler voice that okay.
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So you've got stars that are almost calling shotgun on
joining the Clippers and man, we we we want to
go be a part of what's going on over there.
And also the way they're treating the guys right now,
they're treating the guys on that team even though they're
gonna be big time players in the free agency market.
As as as as with loyalty, was it with honesty,
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They're they're focused on them. They're focused on the guys
that they have now rather than running around trying to
call me at the guys. If they come, cool, we
want it. If you don't come, there's a good thing
going on there. So hats off of the Clippers for
handling that the right way, because you know, man, if
every other rumble is that you're gonna have Duran or
some on else there and you're not really focused on
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the team at and that that's actually winning and the
guys you got in that locker room, it continue locker
room apartment and that's awesome them. Um, they did get
their worst loss of the year last night at home
to the Trial Raptors who didn't have Kauai Leonard. Doesn't
that hurt their argument? Yeah, I mean it doesn't. It doesn't.
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I mean Kawhi Letter or Tad those are those are
too big enough names. Uh that if they move or
joined a team like the Clippers, it changed or stuff
that they're that dynamic of a player. Uh in Toronto
is the real deal right now? With it without Kauai, Uh,
they go, they run, you know, six eight to six
nine across the board. Uh with with that Blacker, the
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o G and the Newvie, the Pascal who's having the
heck of the year in valentunat those guys who didn't
even talked Kyle Lawry and and Van Vleet, no guys.
So Uh, they've got a stack team man and and defensively, Uh,
they match up pound for pound for the best of them.
Not to mention the Clippers coming off a back to
back in Phoenix where they had an overtime dog fight.
So that's that's not a fair assessment of either team.
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Obviously Kauai was out, but Lou Williams. Mrs Simon Loui Williams.
Uh is the Clippers score. You know, he's he's a
He's a big, huge part of the team's success this here,
So I don't buy too far into last night, but
the Raptors are for real. Do you buy into the
Celtics fixing things? Right? They've even without Kyrie. They beat
the Pelicans again. Now you know they're not gonna have
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Horford for a Q games because the knee pain, but
they've won six and a row, granted some of that,
and they're not all against bad teams. I know they
beat the bull beat the hell out the Bulls by
like sixty, but they also beat the Wolves and beat
the Pelicans twice. Are you buying that the Celtics are fixed.
I'm not over reacting. I gotta see that Boston. I
feel like they do get back to where they need
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to beat is. There's nothing guaranteed that they come out
the East as we all after what they look like
last year, until that defense gets in taxed and their defense. Yes,
it's nice to have Kyrie back at Gordon Heywards, not
gonna doubt that, Duck. I'm not gonna be crazy to
say that that doesn't help. But what made them special
last year, It happens had us so excited with the defense. Defensively,
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they locked up and they moved the basketball, and they
were big, and they were tough and they were versatile.
And you don't see that this year. So they they've
got to figure some things out. I don't know if
that's Hayward coming off the bench or uh, you know,
they need to just remember who they are, Roseero playing
uh more minutes, you know, a fix of the starting lineup,
what else it may be. Uh, They're gonna have to
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fix it. But I mean it's a step in the
right direction. But I'm not I'm not celebrating, man, I'm
not going to parade just yet. Done. What about the
what about the Lakers? Um? The Lakers suddenly not only
they're hot, but they've been consistently good and maybe playing
a little bit better without brandon Ingram. Are you buying
that the Lakers are starting to figure out how to
play with Lebron? Absolutely buying that, And I don't I
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don't buy just as much as the Lakers figured out
how to play with Lebron, but Lebron just getting comfortable,
you know, he's a guy who cruise and thirty thirty
and sent or thirty and eight and nine or triple
double every single night, just once he gets going because
of how dynamic he is. Uh, and he's having a
trust that you know, Hey, Tyson Chanler's here, he's got
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my back. Javel's playing at a high level. Uh in Kolsba.
He's a He's an absolute perfect compliment. No no shot
to brandon ingram to him. So Lebron's falling into a
nice little spot where he could playmak and he can
go get it whenever he needs to. Uh. And that's
where you're gonna see that success and him just kind
of like just getting over the the amazement of playing
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with these new these new young guys. So they're gonna
be better, you know, that's the best part with young guys.
They get better than you had, Tyson. If they mess
around and get Trevor a reason over, there's really gonna
be a problem. So, uh, big things to look for
from the Lakers. But that's what that was expected to
come on. You you knew lebroblem wasn't gonna be be
looking too bad for too ball, all right, So let's
let's say they find a way to make a deal
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and get Trevor Reason. How good you think this team
can be? For one and they're continued this year and
I don't give it darn what they look like right now.
You got Lebron James in that locker room, and you
don't know how healthy Golden State's gonna be. There's no
one that just looked spectacular so far. But if you
get Trevor Reason, that's a huge step in the right
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direction because you get a guy who can play minutes
in the NBA Finals. I don't know how many of
those other guys when the roster are gonna be able
to play NBA Finals minutes at that level. Obviously Rondo's
not back yet. He's gonna be a help. But you
gotta get guys who could play, and you need as many. Look,
you gotta hear me remind me when I say this.
You gotta stockpile as many six eight the six nine
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three D guys with versatility as you can. And that's
what Trevor Reason brings brings you because he's a body
you can throw at Durant. He's a guy that you
can throw at a at a James Harden per say,
if it is James Harden to play as a guy
you can throw at Paul George, you need a number
of those. I don't want le Bron guarding any I
want the Bron guarding the worst player on the team. Okay,
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let him be comfortable. But Trevor Reason brings that to you.
Ryan Hollands joining us in the Doug out Them show
here on Fox Sports Radio. What do you make of
what k D said where he left out Lebron In
talking about the greatness of Kobe and of Jordan, Eve
mentioned Kyrie and no Lebron. I'm not gonna dive into that, man.
It was it was an interview, even though we're over
speculating everything that Kevin Durant is saying. Ultimately, I do
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think Kevin Durant is out. I do think he wants
to just do and he follows in the footsteps of Lebron,
who he just mentioned that's kind of big brother right now.
He's followed in his path, uh, and that I don't
think he minds to leave. But I think that public
perception plays such a strong part in Lebron's decision to
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come back to Cleveland. And I think that you know,
k d made the career choice and going to Golden State,
and anybody who says that he shouldn't have done it
as a complete idiot. Okay, they need to get over themselves.
But the best part about him winning his chim Fanship
is now it's time for him to go, and that
public perception bothers Kevin Durant and the fact that Kevin
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Durant is now looking to say, Hey, I want to
go build my own thing, uh somewhere else. And I
think obviously there's a shot that Golden State keeps him,
but if another team like the Clippers in New York
looks attractable, is very realistic that Katie's gonna be out.
I don't see him going to Clippers. I I just
don't see you. Now, you gotta beat Lebron and you
gotta beat the Warriors. Um as opposed to going to
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New York and kind of doing your own thing, being
the guy that saves the Knicks strikes me as as
as a bigger thing as a big yes, bro, how
much of your own thing do you want to do?
I don't have a hand tick agreement is coming with you? Well,
you're gonna You're gonna have you're gonna have You're gonna
have prezingis and then you're gonna have somebody else come
with you. I mean, I don't who was somebody like
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I gotta Pertually, I wouldn't leave. Personally, I wouldn't leave.
I wouldn't know. But but he doesn't. And I actually
understand that he's not getting he is due because he's like, look,
I guard Lebron, he got to me. I was a
better player in the NBA finals past two years. Why
isn't anybody respecting that? You just kind of gotta you know, slowly,
time will come around to respect him. I just think
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he's a little bit too much in the moment. But
the point is it was Clippers or Knicks. I don't
think it's close. Right. The Clippers are the nets like
in New York, whereas the Knicks are the Knicks. You
want to be the big thing, you want to be
a big fish in a big pond, go to the Knicks.
I I hear you. K D loves l A. He's
seen every off season working out with coach Rico Hides.
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He does an excellent job of training and getting guys ready.
He's got everybody falling. But this This is the thing.
L A is still l A if you go to
New York. This is what he's telling me, Doug, I
got a handshake agreement with somebody else to go because
I'm not getting caught with my pants down. I'm not
gonna leave Golden State. I'm not gonna leave the Golden
era ball movement, the epitome of ball movement of Golden State.
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To go there just happens the hard way, just to
prove my point. If I'm going, I'm going to win,
and that means Kyrie is coming. Okay, that means that
Jimmy Butler is coming. That means that somebody else good
enough is coming. And what's the appell of the Clippers
Kawai darn Leonard? H Leonard? We can go win and
we could beat Lebron, or you know what I joined
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Lebron is that could have still let me sit down
at the round table, because guess what, Lebron's a pick
enough name and has enough respect from Kevin Durant that
he's gonna sit down and hear him out and hear
what he's got to say. And who knows if Lebron's
plan might be better than Golden States plan. We gotta see,
but I think the two l A teams are the
favorite unless you get one of those guys that he
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trusts to go and play, and Kawai Leonard is the
second biggest outside of Lebron James to win. Duck, am
I wrong? You're not wrong, But Kawai has gotta kau
I could leave be leaving a championship team to go
to the Clippers again, which I've everyone in basketball has
heard as a possibility, but until it's like one of
those things, until it actually happens, I don't believe it yet. Dude, Dude,
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Kauai is such a and when I say weird, I
say it in the most endearing way of not being
normal because I'm a weird guy. But he's such a
weird guy winning he could go. I don't know how
he ultimately just couldn't want to just sit at the
house and play Xbox and kick it with his boys.
I don't like. The dudes have so much success age
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that it's kind of like jaded Dingham. I don't think
he cares about anything other than being happy. They could
win in Toron and he could still come to the Clippers,
and that could just be call I saying this is
what I want to do. This is me. I don't
think like the rest of you know. It'll be fascinating
to see Brian great stuff man, congrats on all your
personal success. Will talk soon, allright, brother? Anytime. That's Ryan
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Live the Eye and the Sky Don't Lie, and that
I belongs to Greg co Cell's NFL Films unit. He
joins us here in the Doug Gottlis Show on Fox
Sports Radio. I had an interesting conversation with an NFL
GM Sunday night that I've I've shared with our listeners
and that Pat Mahomes no look throw and a couple
of those other those He's like, look, I've never seen
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him I do that in a game before, have you.
I can recall seeing Brett Farve makeam no look throw
in my years here at NFL films, So yeah, I
have seen that. Um. He seems though, also to be
trying things that I'm not sure they work in the playoffs.
You mentioned FARV Trendier joined us yesterday and he was like, look,
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five's perfect perfect. He said the same thing about far
By the way. Uh, he said A five shouldn't want
to cut more super Bowls. But the turnovers thrown across
his body in the postseason doesn't work like it does
the regular season. What's your level of Uh, maybe CALLI
with how how crazy we're going over some of these
chances that he's taking that might backfire in the playoffs.
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I think there's a very fine line. He's successful up
to this point, and and we've seen him do some
things that are outstanding and that we really don't see
that often. So I think the tendency is to say that, Wow,
this guy is just incredibly special, and there's no question
he's a special thrower. But I think you do there's
a real fine line in history suggests this Doug and
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a balance between being reckless and being sort of dynamic improvisationally,
And there's no rule book that defines that line, but
it's you just don't know that that's a very hard
question to answer. There's no there's no answer. It's not
a mathematical equation. You also, in watching that film you
watch Lamar Jackson, the g M I talked to us like, look,
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short term, that stuff works long term or when you
get in the third long doesn't work, doesn't doesn't have
a great long term. Look once people start to get
a book on what they're doing, how they're how they're
doing today he was named the starter for the Ravens.
Is Flacco is gonna be a healthy backup? Um? Do
you think long term this plan works in Baltimore? Uh, Well,
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they're speaking about what Lamar Jackson is right now, and
right now he's not necessarily capable of being anywhere near
consistent in the longer yard A situations. In situations uh,
where the defense has the tactical advantage, UM, where he
understands what he's seeing before the snap and then making
adjustments after the snap. He's not prepared to do that
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right now. The question really is can he be prepared
to do that with more experience down the road. I
always find it difficult, Doug to make definitive judgments about
players after three games, even a year if we did
that with Jared Goffe, he'd be out of the league.
So if the larger point is where he is now,
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can you be a quality starting quarterback in this league
over time? No? But I think that's a little unfair
to say that this is what he'll be for the
rest of his career. How do they keep them healthy? Well,
that's a big question. Uh Now, there have been guys
who've run around a lot. Russell Wilson has run around
a lot in his career, and I don't think he's
missed more than a game or two if that. Uh
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So that I can't answer. Now. The one thing that
you noticed when you watch Lamar Jackson in college, Doug,
and I don't know how much you saw him, was
he was a tough, competitive runner, and that he cannot
be in the NFL. He he fought for extra yards
in college and that won't work in the NFL. Yeah,
I don't know these guys who don't slide. I don't.
I don't understand, Like, I don't what what don't you need?
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You're not proving anything to us by showing us how
tough you are. I get the football mentality and the
leadership idea of it, but you can't lead if you're
on the sideline. And guys that have fought for extra
yards always end up fighting to get out of that
training room. Greg cead, No, that's exactly right. And his
body type as you've been around him, I've been around him.
You know, he's a sin and we build kind of guy.
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He's not He's muscular, but he's not big. Yeah, he's
a little thicker than he's thicker than Teddy Bridgewater, but
not not not a ton, not even built like Mike Vick,
Mike fixed, much more solidly solid, or Russell Wilson, Doug
Gotlib show Fox Sports Rader, that's the voice of Greg
co Sell. A lot of talk about Kirk Cousins, and
I'll just tell you kind of what you're walking into.
I I understand that that Kirk Cousins is not Aaron Rodgers,
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Tom Brady or Drew Brees. But none of those guys
were available, right, So their choices were Bridgewater, who no
one knows if he can stay healthy or keep keeping
Keenham who got eighteen million to go to Denver, or
a J McCarron. Right, like those are there? Those those
are and I actually think Cousins has been pretty good
on a team that's not as good around him as
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they were last year. You watch the tape, what do
you see from the vice? Here's what I think you
have to start with. You have to start with what
Kirk Cousins is. And I think everybody knows what Kirk
Cousins is. The money made people think that he was
the top five quarterback in the league. Kirk Cousins is
a distributor and an orchestrator of a multidimensional offense that
needs a consistent run game. And for whatever reason, and
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maybe that's why John D. Philippo was fired, I don't know,
but I would assume these conversations would have been had
with Mike Zimmer and John D. Filippo before he was hired.
This team has not run with much of volume. When
they have run, they've not been very good at it. Overall,
they seem to be getting a little better, But Kirk
Cousins is not a quarterback that can drop back as
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many times as they've asked him to do this season.
So the fact that he's been inconsistent, because if you
look at his numbers, if someone just pulls up the
statute and looks at his numbers, they'll say he's having
a very good season, but he's not been consistent because
he's not that kind of quarterback. Very few quarterbacks can
drop back as many times as they were asking Kirk
Cousins to drop back. So he's not necessarily any different.
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It's just that this team had major expectations and they're
not running the football. Doug Gotli Show here on Fox
Sports Radio. Um, all right, let's let's bounce around a
little bit. Run league. We talked about Mahomes. We didn't
talk about the fact that we're gonna see him tomorrow
night and he's not gonna have a bunch of his
weapons right chance, he didn't have Tyreek Hill. Now they're
working on a third stream running back. No, Sammy Watkins,
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how does that offense look when you take away the
speed of the Tyreek Hill? Well, I think that's critical.
The speed of Hills critical because I think it's it's
not just critical, and the fact that he can make plays,
it's critical, and the fact of how teams defend him.
And and that's why the vertical dimension in the offense
is so important. In teams that don't have it end
up struggling at times, and in fact, the Saints are
going through that a little bit right now because they
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don't really have any vertical dimension, and over the last
three weeks that they have very few twenty plus yard
plays because teams are starting to recognize that they can't
really be beaten over the top. So what happens is
unless they scheme it up and it works perfectly, they
just don't have the web for that. So Hill is
absolutely critical, and Kelsey is obviously critical because he's the
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most dynamic, explosive tight end in the league and he
can get vertical as well. We're gonna see Philip Rivers.
I don't know. I don't think he'll have Melvin Gordon.
He's listened as questionable. He's uh, he's not gonna have
Austin Neckler, but he will have all those talented wide
wide receivers. You've watched Philip Rivers on tape a bunch.
They weren't great this past week. He was really good
in the second half against the Steelers, not so much
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in the first half. What do you see from the
recent tapes of this Charger's offense? Uh, you know, I
think that they are an offense in many ways. That's
built on attacking down the field with vertical type routes,
intermediate type routes, deep crossers. When they hit those, they're
very very explosive. When they don't hit those, and those
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are not a given every week, they're a little more
condensed and and they're not quite as explosive, and that's
what happens, and that's where the run game becomes a factor.
And obviously without Melvin Gordon, I imagine justin Jackson the
Northwestern it don't get the start and get the bulk
of the carries, and I think for a game or
two he can be very very effective. So you know,
I think that that's something they probably need to rely
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on a little more if they're not going to get
those plays. Now they're playing a Chief's defense whose tendency
has been to play a lot of man to man coverage,
and I think they're going to be able to get
big shot opportunities in this game. Um Sunday night, we
saw the Rams go into Chicago and it's easy for
Rams fans. Was cold. Nobody want was playing the cold,
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but but you're not from Los Angeles. It was cold.
I'm just telling you. When you live out of here
and it's seventy two every day, and then if it's fifty,
you're like, oh my god, what is it fifty degrees?
When it's thirty something degrees, you're like, man, that's cool,
all right. But but you're like, look, we're gonna play
at home or playing the Dome in New Orleans in
the playoffs. No big deal. But to those of us
really paying attention, Jeredoff didn't play well against Allions, didn't
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play well against the Bears. What are teams doing to
make him play poorly? Well? This week's game was a
little different. Um, he hasn't really been as sharp the
last four or five weeks as he was earlier in
the season, and some of that is just him missing throws.
But this particular game was different because of what the
Bears do. Doug vic fan Joe maybe the best in
the league that kind of blurring the lines of his
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coverage between man and zone and showing zone principles and
man concepts, pattern matching, matchup zone, doing all those kinds
of things. And it takes a little bit of time
to figure all that out. And don't forget you're trying
to figure that out at the same time, you've got
a pass rush with Khalil Mack, Akeem Hicks and at
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times Leonard Floyd. So I thought in that game that
Goff was very unsettled pretty early in the game. I
didn't get the sense watching the tape he was really
clear on what he was seeing. And when the quarterback
doesn't feel comfortable with what he's seeing it he really
struggles to play. How much different were the Packers after
the coaching change. I don't think they were dramatically different.
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I mean, you know, I think they ran the ball
and I think they got to continue to do that. Um,
you know, I think we'll get a better idea. They
play the Bears this week, and I think we'll get
a much better feel for what the Packers try to
do offensively this week. Uh, Steelers lost again. I know
Big Bend didn't play part of the second half because
the vib um. But this is three in row and
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now they have now they have the Patriots coming in
as well. When you watch the Steelers on tape, what's missing? Oh,
I think it's pretty evident. You go, they've lost three
and rrow. As you said, you know what in in
those three games. Here's here's what their breakdown is offensively,
and just think about this for a minute. I know
these are numbers, but the quarterback has dropped back a
hundred and forty nine times in these three games. The
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running backs have rushed the ball forty six times. Think
about that. You can't play like that. And their offense
has sort of settled into in the past game being
individual routes and they have good players so they can
win individual routes or Roethlisberger making second reaction plays. There's
no rhythm to their offense at all, right now, no
rhythm at all. Baker Mayfield. Um, it seems we see
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the electric plays, the explosive plays. We saw some turnovers
kind of the week before, and you said, Hey, what
impressed me was even after those turnovers, he still had
a ton of confidence. You watch Baker Mayfield this week
and you continue to be impressed. Oh my god, I
thought he was. He was really efficient this week. His
ball placement is so precise. That's the defining feature of
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his play. He beats tight coverage because he places the
ball exactly where it needs to go. Uh. I thought
he was really really good this week. And I love
how aggressive he is turning it loose. I think that's
an NFL quarterback trade um. And he has a very
good feel for both climbing the pocket and then navigating
the pocket with effective movements, so I think he's an
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improving player. I think he'll get better. They have a
running back. I think I think this offense has a
chance to just get better and better. Awesome stuff, Greg Costell,
NFL Films. He joins us every week. Greg, thanks so much, right,
I appreciate it.
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You know, there's this thing in life where there's a
belief that in order to be respected, you have to
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be liked, and in order to succeed, you got to
get along with everybody around you. Now, look, I think
that is generally a good path to go down. There
is no res into naturally create enemies, because enemies, you know,
if you're successful, there's gonna be people who are um
(01:09):
jealous of your success no matter what you do, and
there you're going to make enemies, even through no fault
of your own. But the fact is, you don't have
to like everybody you play with, and you definitely don't
have to like those you play against. We got a
bunch of college football stuff. We've got some NFL stuff
(01:30):
to get to. I got some thoughts for you on
Will Greer choosing to not play in the bowl game
for West Virginia. Ryan Hollins will join us. We'll talk
uh some NBA with the Lakers suddenly on the rise,
Clippers thinking they got a shot at Kauai. Mark Slaverth
is gonna join us. We'll ask him just how good
has case Keenum been? As so many offered up what
(01:52):
a terrible signing to get Kirk Cousins last year, and
I offered up yesterday on this show and on social
media you there was no better option, no better option.
We'll talk with stan Cup coming in the show. I
saw this from Sham's Sharania, who works for Stadium Sports.
(02:12):
He talked with Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant went on another
Yahoo podcast and said, Hey, there's gonna be statues up
in front of me in San Francisco, in front of
all of us in San Francisco when they opened the
new arena next year. We'll get to that in a moment.
But he also said this to Sham Sharania. Kobe m J.
Kyrie just the way they move. I don't understand why
(02:36):
people don't realize what they're seeing in these three, especially
Jordan and Kobe. Kyrie is younger than me, and that's
one of my best friends, so I watched his stuff.
I get to play with Steph every day, so I
know his game inside and out. But watching Kobe and Mike,
I'm like, how do you not realize how good these
dudes are? How do you not say they're far better
than anybody who's played the game, just the way they move,
(02:58):
how fluid they are. Everybody that comes to my house,
whether it's friends or family, I make them watch Jordan highlights.
This is the equivalent to Einstein fffing, Ludwin von Beethoven
or Obama the greatest talents and athletes of the of
the world. Just because they play sports, people think one
way they're the masters, they're the geniuses. I just started
(03:21):
to realize that a few years ago. Watching those guys
can really spark my creativity. Huh Now, because he doesn't
say Lebron James offers up two things. One eight on
respect Lebron James. Two he's trying to take shine off
Lebron James. What did Katie tell us before the season
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began that k D in front of a microphone would
be honest to a fault. Now, part of this is
I don't think he and Lebron James are friends. Secondly,
I think that some of this is the pushback over
the way in which Lebron James is uh fond over
(04:05):
by the media. He said that just going back to
last week, and part of that this is his actual opinion.
Here's what he's saying. I don't think Lebron has game
as much as those guys have game. Right, Like, um,
(04:31):
here's an example. Brad Pitt is a good looking human being. Right.
I'm a heterosexual male, never thought otherwise, Not that there's
anything wrong with that, but Brad Pitt pulling women doesn't
impress me that much. It just doesn't. George Clooney, what
a good looking man, right, doesn't impressed me that much.
(04:53):
David Spade, now that impresses me. Have you seen Have
you seen the of women David Spade has dated during
his life, You're like, Wow, that guy's gotta have massive
amounts of game. Lebron James is six ft eight six
ft nine. The rules are set up to help him
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where the defense can't hand check right. The game has
changed where he's essentially the size he is the size
of a nineteen nineties power forward, but there are no
power forwards on the floor anymore. There's one big guy
at most on the floor with Lebron James. And so
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it's not to say that Lebron doesn't have great vision.
What he's saying is like, I don't know. He's bigger,
he's stronger, the rules set up, they build a team
around him. He really only plays one position, which is
Lebron have the ball, create shots himself and other people
played downhill a little bit of bullyball, whereas he likes
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more than creative types like Kobe. Bryant was a master
of understanding angles and push shops and how to expose
somebody's defensive weakness. He also was an expert, an expert
at psychological warfare. Michael Jordan the same that's where Kobe
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got it from. Now, Michael Jordan would create an enemy
out of anybody. But what Lebron James was. He what
Kevin Durant is saying and not mentioning Lebron James is
we're not boys, we're not friends, and I don't like
the style by what she does things because he's just
(06:44):
bigger and stronger. I like guys that gotta work for it.
They gotta figure out a way as the game evolves
their game, as their body changes, they have to change.
That's exactly what happened with Michael Jordan's. Here's what people
don't understand about Jordan's. When he first got in the league,
he couldn't shoot. He was unbelievable at getting to the rim,
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and he's the greatest explosive finisher in traffic we've ever seen.
And then he became a remarkable mid range to sometimes
long range three point shooter, and then late in his
career he was the best post player we ever saw.
Unbelievable post play for a guard, best post guard for
for a great player. He post up, fade away, and
(07:31):
that was a little bit of what Kobe Bryant went through. Right.
It wasn't a great shooter. Everything was at the rim.
Then he became a great shooter, and then late in
his career he entered had the Kobe fade. He changed,
he evolved. Kyrie Irving is the best. Why he mentions
Kyrie Irving because I think there's an infatuation with the
creativity of Kyrie Irving finishing at the rim. It's the
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best I've ever seen from a point guard. Rod Strickland
is the one before him, his his godfather, where there's
no angle to finish that shot, and he does. It's
not to say Lebron James isn't good, but it's to
say Lebron James isn't necessarily the creative type. This happens
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in music all the time. Ask a musician who their
favorite music group of all time is, and they sometimes
don't answer the guy who had sold the most records.
Sometimes it's the one that have the most creativity, right
Like Beastie Boys first album, Licensed to Ill. I I
(08:37):
think like I think of Beastie Boys and Licensed to
Ill as their greatest album, Don't You That was the
first time we had ever kind of heard of them.
That was their breakthrough album. Three White Guys from New
York kind of set it set the hip hop world
on its on its on its spott toob of its taxes.
(09:00):
But they also didn't play their own instruments. It wasn't
really what they wanted. They kind of sold out and
had to go mainstream in order to make it work.
Paul's boutique. They did play their own instruments, and though
it didn't receive the same amount of fanfare, it had
more of their creativity and they and other music people
(09:22):
like it better. We've created this world where everybody has
to love everybody, where everybody has to say that what's
current is the greatest, and if you don't say it,
somehow you're just being a contrarian to be a contrarian.
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But the truth is that one Kevin Durant has always
has said this year, I'm just gonna say what I think.
I think what I say to you don't have to
like or even respect everybody, especially when you have a
keen eye for what you do as great. And three,
creativity in one's craft is sometimes more regarded then simply
(10:13):
success at one's craft, especially by others in that craft.
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The Flaco thing is not a surprise, but um, do
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do you guys think this works long term? Like that
that you can run? I mean, the last two weeks
he's been Lamar Jackson has been helped off the field. Look,
this is this is history repeating itself. Short term win,
long term, it's not a solution. It could get you
to the playoffs this year, and I like the creativity
they're using with Lamark Jackson. But long term, I'm not
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a buyer at all at all. Uh, go ahead, buyer.
I agree with it, and I agree with you that, yeah,
the sustainability is not where it is. But when you
look at the a f C right now and you
see that it's there for the taking, I mean, New
England probably not gonna get home field. You've got Kansas
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City who doesn't have their star running back anymore. You've
got Pittsburgh falling on their face. So I just look
at them as looking at like, hey, this may be
the year. This could be the year where you can
win three road games and go and go to the
super Bowl. So I like it. This is Tebow two
point Oh, it's short term win. Long term they'll don't.
I think they can still need another quarterback. I'm not
sure if you guys are were So do you know
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that the teams that they've played here with Lamar Jacksons quarterback? Yeah? So,
Cincinnati worst defense maybe historically in the history and in
the history of the NFL, Atlanta terrible defense. This year,
who else have they played? Um City? Awful? Who else?
And the third win was uh Oakland, it was Raiders.
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And then this week who do they play? Also stellar
defensive unit? Tampa has actually been really good on third down.
Um that the actual defense, which is is the most
important or one of the most important defensets statistics. So
he's benefited from playing against terrible defenses and and um
and and he's there are parts of which Lamar Jackson's
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game which plays well. And look, it's a lot like
Tebow in that they have a really good defense, They've
got a great kicker, and they shortened the game to
win this way. But in terms of points allowed, points allowed, Sincinnati, Oakland, Tampa, Atlanta,
Kansas City, that's who they That's who they played. Correct,
those are the five worst defenses in football. Five words
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doesn't doesn't come down to you, because it does for me.
Would you rather face Joe Flacco's arm or Lamar Jackson's legs?
And I think that defenses would rather face Joe Flacco's
arm than Lamar Jackson's legs. I I don't I think
once it all depends on once you get a book
on what they're doing once, and it depends on how
your defense is built. But if you can get him
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in third and and seven plus third and long, you'd
much rather face Lamar Jackson, much rather face Lamar Jackson. Uh,
if you gets third and two, well that's that's different.
The problem is like, look, he's gonna get hurt. He's
already gotten hurt the last two weeks. He got taken
out concussion protocol, then he get hurt his leg or
something last week. But he couldn't worked out any better
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for Lamar Jackson, and that there's a desperation from the
coaching staff to get into the playoffs. They play they
play the five worst defenses in football, and he has
a really good defense and and kicking game in order
to to cover up for the fact that they can't.
You get down two touchdowns as things are wrap, be
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Show week days in noon eastern three pm Pacific. Let's
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welcome to Ryan Hollins, who works over there also covers
the Clippers for former Clipper. Ryan Hollands joins us se
him on NBA TV as well. Um, this it feels
like a poorly kept secret. But that that the Clippers
think they're in position to go get a star. But
why do you does it feel like the landscape has changed? Ryan?
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Because like a look, guy grew up in southern California.
No one ever said I wanted to be a Clipper.
It just happened that way for others. Why is the
landscape maybe changed? Oh, I appreciate you, Brad. I mean
that the flat out the look still l a Uh,
there's there's nothing like that compares. Obviously, New York is
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an attractive market. Uh. The Clippers have done a great
job of positioning themselves, uh to have a healthy organization
because that matters is here in the case that Kevin
Durant and Kawhi Leonard. Are you gonna leave the penthouse
for the outhouse? You know what I'm saying. So the
Clippers have put themselves in a situation where you can
easily look at that team and see, hey, I can
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win a championship here. I could be the piece that
takes uh takes the Clippers over the top. Uh. Not
to mention Douck, I've never heard this ever ever in
history of the NBA. Ever, guys on other teams actually
voicing that I want to go and play for the Clippers.
Kawhi Leonard voice that okay, Jimmy Butler voice that okay.
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So you've got stars that are almost calling shotgun on
joining the Clippers and man, we we we want to
go be a part of what's going on over there.
And also the way they're treating the guys right now,
they're treating the guys on that team even though they're
gonna be big time players in the free agency market.
As as as as with loyalty, was it with honesty,
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They're they're focused on them. They're focused on the guys
that they have now rather than running around trying to
call me at the guys. If they come, cool, we
want it. If you don't come, there's a good thing
going on there. So hats off of the Clippers for
handling that the right way, because you know, man, if
every other rumble is that you're gonna have Duran or
some on else there and you're not really focused on
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the team at and that that's actually winning and the
guys you got in that locker room, it continue locker
room apartment and that's awesome them. Um, they did get
their worst loss of the year last night at home
to the Trial Raptors who didn't have Kauai Leonard. Doesn't
that hurt their argument? Yeah, I mean it doesn't. It doesn't.
(16:22):
I mean Kawhi Letter or Tad those are those are
too big enough names. Uh that if they move or
joined a team like the Clippers, it changed or stuff
that they're that dynamic of a player. Uh in Toronto
is the real deal right now? With it without Kauai, Uh,
they go, they run, you know, six eight to six
nine across the board. Uh with with that Blacker, the
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o G and the Newvie, the Pascal who's having the
heck of the year in valentunat those guys who didn't
even talked Kyle Lawry and and Van Vleet, no guys.
So Uh, they've got a stack team man and and defensively, Uh,
they match up pound for pound for the best of them.
Not to mention the Clippers coming off a back to
back in Phoenix where they had an overtime dog fight.
So that's that's not a fair assessment of either team.
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Obviously Kauai was out, but Lou Williams. Mrs Simon Loui Williams.
Uh is the Clippers score. You know, he's he's a
He's a big, huge part of the team's success this here,
So I don't buy too far into last night, but
the Raptors are for real. Do you buy into the
Celtics fixing things? Right? They've even without Kyrie. They beat
the Pelicans again. Now you know they're not gonna have
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Horford for a Q games because the knee pain, but
they've won six and a row, granted some of that,
and they're not all against bad teams. I know they
beat the bull beat the hell out the Bulls by
like sixty, but they also beat the Wolves and beat
the Pelicans twice. Are you buying that the Celtics are fixed.
I'm not over reacting. I gotta see that Boston. I
feel like they do get back to where they need
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to beat is. There's nothing guaranteed that they come out
the East as we all after what they look like
last year, until that defense gets in taxed and their defense. Yes,
it's nice to have Kyrie back at Gordon Heywards, not
gonna doubt that, Duck. I'm not gonna be crazy to
say that that doesn't help. But what made them special
last year, It happens had us so excited with the defense. Defensively,
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they locked up and they moved the basketball, and they
were big, and they were tough and they were versatile.
And you don't see that this year. So they they've
got to figure some things out. I don't know if
that's Hayward coming off the bench or uh, you know,
they need to just remember who they are, Roseero playing
uh more minutes, you know, a fix of the starting lineup,
what else it may be. Uh, They're gonna have to
(18:31):
fix it. But I mean it's a step in the
right direction. But I'm not I'm not celebrating, man, I'm
not going to parade just yet. Done. What about the
what about the Lakers? Um? The Lakers suddenly not only
they're hot, but they've been consistently good and maybe playing
a little bit better without brandon Ingram. Are you buying
that the Lakers are starting to figure out how to
play with Lebron? Absolutely buying that, And I don't I
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don't buy just as much as the Lakers figured out
how to play with Lebron, but Lebron just getting comfortable,
you know, he's a guy who cruise and thirty thirty
and sent or thirty and eight and nine or triple
double every single night, just once he gets going because
of how dynamic he is. Uh, and he's having a
trust that you know, Hey, Tyson Chanler's here, he's got
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my back. Javel's playing at a high level. Uh in Kolsba.
He's a He's an absolute perfect compliment. No no shot
to brandon ingram to him. So Lebron's falling into a
nice little spot where he could playmak and he can
go get it whenever he needs to. Uh. And that's
where you're gonna see that success and him just kind
of like just getting over the the amazement of playing
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with these new these new young guys. So they're gonna
be better, you know, that's the best part with young guys.
They get better than you had, Tyson. If they mess
around and get Trevor a reason over, there's really gonna
be a problem. So, uh, big things to look for
from the Lakers. But that's what that was expected to
come on. You you knew lebroblem wasn't gonna be be
looking too bad for too ball, all right, So let's
let's say they find a way to make a deal
(19:57):
and get Trevor Reason. How good you think this team
can be? For one and they're continued this year and
I don't give it darn what they look like right now.
You got Lebron James in that locker room, and you
don't know how healthy Golden State's gonna be. There's no
one that just looked spectacular so far. But if you
get Trevor Reason, that's a huge step in the right
(20:18):
direction because you get a guy who can play minutes
in the NBA Finals. I don't know how many of
those other guys when the roster are gonna be able
to play NBA Finals minutes at that level. Obviously Rondo's
not back yet. He's gonna be a help. But you
gotta get guys who could play, and you need as many. Look,
you gotta hear me remind me when I say this.
You gotta stockpile as many six eight the six nine
(20:41):
three D guys with versatility as you can. And that's
what Trevor Reason brings brings you because he's a body
you can throw at Durant. He's a guy that you
can throw at a at a James Harden per say,
if it is James Harden to play as a guy
you can throw at Paul George, you need a number
of those. I don't want le Bron guarding any I
want the Bron guarding the worst player on the team. Okay,
(21:01):
let him be comfortable. But Trevor Reason brings that to you.
Ryan Hollands joining us in the Doug out Them show
here on Fox Sports Radio. What do you make of
what k D said where he left out Lebron In
talking about the greatness of Kobe and of Jordan, Eve
mentioned Kyrie and no Lebron. I'm not gonna dive into that, man.
It was it was an interview, even though we're over
speculating everything that Kevin Durant is saying. Ultimately, I do
(21:25):
think Kevin Durant is out. I do think he wants
to just do and he follows in the footsteps of Lebron,
who he just mentioned that's kind of big brother right now.
He's followed in his path, uh, and that I don't
think he minds to leave. But I think that public
perception plays such a strong part in Lebron's decision to
(21:45):
come back to Cleveland. And I think that you know,
k d made the career choice and going to Golden State,
and anybody who says that he shouldn't have done it
as a complete idiot. Okay, they need to get over themselves.
But the best part about him winning his chim Fanship
is now it's time for him to go, and that
public perception bothers Kevin Durant and the fact that Kevin
(22:06):
Durant is now looking to say, Hey, I want to
go build my own thing, uh somewhere else. And I
think obviously there's a shot that Golden State keeps him,
but if another team like the Clippers in New York
looks attractable, is very realistic that Katie's gonna be out.
I don't see him going to Clippers. I I just
don't see you. Now, you gotta beat Lebron and you
gotta beat the Warriors. Um as opposed to going to
(22:29):
New York and kind of doing your own thing, being
the guy that saves the Knicks strikes me as as
as a bigger thing as a big yes, bro, how
much of your own thing do you want to do?
I don't have a hand tick agreement is coming with you? Well,
you're gonna You're gonna have you're gonna have You're gonna
have prezingis and then you're gonna have somebody else come
with you. I mean, I don't who was somebody like
(22:50):
I gotta Pertually, I wouldn't leave. Personally, I wouldn't leave.
I wouldn't know. But but he doesn't. And I actually
understand that he's not getting he is due because he's like, look,
I guard Lebron, he got to me. I was a
better player in the NBA finals past two years. Why
isn't anybody respecting that? You just kind of gotta you know, slowly,
time will come around to respect him. I just think
(23:11):
he's a little bit too much in the moment. But
the point is it was Clippers or Knicks. I don't
think it's close. Right. The Clippers are the nets like
in New York, whereas the Knicks are the Knicks. You
want to be the big thing, you want to be
a big fish in a big pond, go to the Knicks.
I I hear you. K D loves l A. He's
seen every off season working out with coach Rico Hides.
(23:32):
He does an excellent job of training and getting guys ready.
He's got everybody falling. But this This is the thing.
L A is still l A if you go to
New York. This is what he's telling me, Doug, I
got a handshake agreement with somebody else to go because
I'm not getting caught with my pants down. I'm not
gonna leave Golden State. I'm not gonna leave the Golden
era ball movement, the epitome of ball movement of Golden State.
(23:54):
To go there just happens the hard way, just to
prove my point. If I'm going, I'm going to win,
and that means Kyrie is coming. Okay, that means that
Jimmy Butler is coming. That means that somebody else good
enough is coming. And what's the appell of the Clippers
Kawai darn Leonard? H Leonard? We can go win and
we could beat Lebron, or you know what I joined
(24:17):
Lebron is that could have still let me sit down
at the round table, because guess what, Lebron's a pick
enough name and has enough respect from Kevin Durant that
he's gonna sit down and hear him out and hear
what he's got to say. And who knows if Lebron's
plan might be better than Golden States plan. We gotta see,
but I think the two l A teams are the
favorite unless you get one of those guys that he
(24:38):
trusts to go and play, and Kawai Leonard is the
second biggest outside of Lebron James to win. Duck, am
I wrong? You're not wrong, But Kawai has gotta kau
I could leave be leaving a championship team to go
to the Clippers again, which I've everyone in basketball has
heard as a possibility, but until it's like one of
those things, until it actually happens, I don't believe it yet. Dude, Dude,
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Kauai is such a and when I say weird, I
say it in the most endearing way of not being
normal because I'm a weird guy. But he's such a
weird guy winning he could go. I don't know how
he ultimately just couldn't want to just sit at the
house and play Xbox and kick it with his boys.
I don't like. The dudes have so much success age
(25:23):
that it's kind of like jaded Dingham. I don't think
he cares about anything other than being happy. They could
win in Toron and he could still come to the Clippers,
and that could just be call I saying this is
what I want to do. This is me. I don't
think like the rest of you know. It'll be fascinating
to see Brian great stuff man, congrats on all your
personal success. Will talk soon, allright, brother? Anytime. That's Ryan
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Live the Eye and the Sky Don't Lie, and that
I belongs to Greg co Cell's NFL Films unit. He
joins us here in the Doug Gottlis Show on Fox
Sports Radio. I had an interesting conversation with an NFL
GM Sunday night that I've I've shared with our listeners
and that Pat Mahomes no look throw and a couple
of those other those He's like, look, I've never seen
(26:26):
him I do that in a game before, have you.
I can recall seeing Brett Farve makeam no look throw
in my years here at NFL films, So yeah, I
have seen that. Um. He seems though, also to be
trying things that I'm not sure they work in the playoffs.
You mentioned FARV Trendier joined us yesterday and he was like, look,
(26:47):
five's perfect perfect. He said the same thing about far
By the way. Uh, he said A five shouldn't want
to cut more super Bowls. But the turnovers thrown across
his body in the postseason doesn't work like it does
the regular season. What's your level of Uh, maybe CALLI
with how how crazy we're going over some of these
chances that he's taking that might backfire in the playoffs.
(27:07):
I think there's a very fine line. He's successful up
to this point, and and we've seen him do some
things that are outstanding and that we really don't see
that often. So I think the tendency is to say that, Wow,
this guy is just incredibly special, and there's no question
he's a special thrower. But I think you do there's
a real fine line in history suggests this Doug and
(27:29):
a balance between being reckless and being sort of dynamic improvisationally,
And there's no rule book that defines that line, but
it's you just don't know that that's a very hard
question to answer. There's no there's no answer. It's not
a mathematical equation. You also, in watching that film you
watch Lamar Jackson, the g M I talked to us like, look,
(27:52):
short term, that stuff works long term or when you
get in the third long doesn't work, doesn't doesn't have
a great long term. Look once people start to get
a book on what they're doing, how they're how they're
doing today he was named the starter for the Ravens.
Is Flacco is gonna be a healthy backup? Um? Do
you think long term this plan works in Baltimore? Uh, Well,
(28:15):
they're speaking about what Lamar Jackson is right now, and
right now he's not necessarily capable of being anywhere near
consistent in the longer yard A situations. In situations uh,
where the defense has the tactical advantage, UM, where he
understands what he's seeing before the snap and then making
adjustments after the snap. He's not prepared to do that
(28:38):
right now. The question really is can he be prepared
to do that with more experience down the road. I
always find it difficult, Doug to make definitive judgments about
players after three games, even a year if we did
that with Jared Goffe, he'd be out of the league.
So if the larger point is where he is now,
(28:59):
can you be a quality starting quarterback in this league
over time? No? But I think that's a little unfair
to say that this is what he'll be for the
rest of his career. How do they keep them healthy? Well,
that's a big question. Uh Now, there have been guys
who've run around a lot. Russell Wilson has run around
a lot in his career, and I don't think he's
missed more than a game or two if that. Uh
(29:21):
So that I can't answer. Now. The one thing that
you noticed when you watch Lamar Jackson in college, Doug,
and I don't know how much you saw him, was
he was a tough, competitive runner, and that he cannot
be in the NFL. He he fought for extra yards
in college and that won't work in the NFL. Yeah,
I don't know these guys who don't slide. I don't.
I don't understand, Like, I don't what what don't you need?
(29:43):
You're not proving anything to us by showing us how
tough you are. I get the football mentality and the
leadership idea of it, but you can't lead if you're
on the sideline. And guys that have fought for extra
yards always end up fighting to get out of that
training room. Greg cead, No, that's exactly right. And his
body type as you've been around him, I've been around him.
You know, he's a sin and we build kind of guy.
(30:05):
He's not He's muscular, but he's not big. Yeah, he's
a little thicker than he's thicker than Teddy Bridgewater, but
not not not a ton, not even built like Mike Vick,
Mike fixed, much more solidly solid, or Russell Wilson, Doug
Gotlib show Fox Sports Rader, that's the voice of Greg
co Sell. A lot of talk about Kirk Cousins, and
I'll just tell you kind of what you're walking into.
I I understand that that Kirk Cousins is not Aaron Rodgers,
(30:29):
Tom Brady or Drew Brees. But none of those guys
were available, right, So their choices were Bridgewater, who no
one knows if he can stay healthy or keep keeping
Keenham who got eighteen million to go to Denver, or
a J McCarron. Right, like those are there? Those those
are and I actually think Cousins has been pretty good
on a team that's not as good around him as
(30:51):
they were last year. You watch the tape, what do
you see from the vice? Here's what I think you
have to start with. You have to start with what
Kirk Cousins is. And I think everybody knows what Kirk
Cousins is. The money made people think that he was
the top five quarterback in the league. Kirk Cousins is
a distributor and an orchestrator of a multidimensional offense that
needs a consistent run game. And for whatever reason, and
(31:15):
maybe that's why John D. Philippo was fired, I don't know,
but I would assume these conversations would have been had
with Mike Zimmer and John D. Filippo before he was hired.
This team has not run with much of volume. When
they have run, they've not been very good at it. Overall,
they seem to be getting a little better, But Kirk
Cousins is not a quarterback that can drop back as
(31:35):
many times as they've asked him to do this season.
So the fact that he's been inconsistent, because if you
look at his numbers, if someone just pulls up the
statute and looks at his numbers, they'll say he's having
a very good season, but he's not been consistent because
he's not that kind of quarterback. Very few quarterbacks can
drop back as many times as they were asking Kirk
Cousins to drop back. So he's not necessarily any different.
(32:00):
It's just that this team had major expectations and they're
not running the football. Doug Gotli Show here on Fox
Sports Radio. Um, all right, let's let's bounce around a
little bit. Run league. We talked about Mahomes. We didn't
talk about the fact that we're gonna see him tomorrow
night and he's not gonna have a bunch of his
weapons right chance, he didn't have Tyreek Hill. Now they're
working on a third stream running back. No, Sammy Watkins,
(32:22):
how does that offense look when you take away the
speed of the Tyreek Hill? Well, I think that's critical.
The speed of Hills critical because I think it's it's
not just critical, and the fact that he can make plays,
it's critical, and the fact of how teams defend him.
And and that's why the vertical dimension in the offense
is so important. In teams that don't have it end
up struggling at times, and in fact, the Saints are
going through that a little bit right now because they
(32:43):
don't really have any vertical dimension, and over the last
three weeks that they have very few twenty plus yard
plays because teams are starting to recognize that they can't
really be beaten over the top. So what happens is
unless they scheme it up and it works perfectly, they
just don't have the web for that. So Hill is
absolutely critical, and Kelsey is obviously critical because he's the
(33:05):
most dynamic, explosive tight end in the league and he
can get vertical as well. We're gonna see Philip Rivers.
I don't know. I don't think he'll have Melvin Gordon.
He's listened as questionable. He's uh, he's not gonna have
Austin Neckler, but he will have all those talented wide
wide receivers. You've watched Philip Rivers on tape a bunch.
They weren't great this past week. He was really good
in the second half against the Steelers, not so much
(33:26):
in the first half. What do you see from the
recent tapes of this Charger's offense? Uh, you know, I
think that they are an offense in many ways. That's
built on attacking down the field with vertical type routes,
intermediate type routes, deep crossers. When they hit those, they're
very very explosive. When they don't hit those, and those
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are not a given every week, they're a little more
condensed and and they're not quite as explosive, and that's
what happens, and that's where the run game becomes a factor.
And obviously without Melvin Gordon, I imagine justin Jackson the
Northwestern it don't get the start and get the bulk
of the carries, and I think for a game or
two he can be very very effective. So you know,
I think that that's something they probably need to rely
(34:08):
on a little more if they're not going to get
those plays. Now they're playing a Chief's defense whose tendency
has been to play a lot of man to man coverage,
and I think they're going to be able to get
big shot opportunities in this game. Um Sunday night, we
saw the Rams go into Chicago and it's easy for
Rams fans. Was cold. Nobody want was playing the cold,
(34:29):
but but you're not from Los Angeles. It was cold.
I'm just telling you. When you live out of here
and it's seventy two every day, and then if it's fifty,
you're like, oh my god, what is it fifty degrees?
When it's thirty something degrees, you're like, man, that's cool,
all right. But but you're like, look, we're gonna play
at home or playing the Dome in New Orleans in
the playoffs. No big deal. But to those of us
really paying attention, Jeredoff didn't play well against Allions, didn't
(34:53):
play well against the Bears. What are teams doing to
make him play poorly? Well? This week's game was a
little different. Um, he hasn't really been as sharp the
last four or five weeks as he was earlier in
the season, and some of that is just him missing throws.
But this particular game was different because of what the
Bears do. Doug vic fan Joe maybe the best in
the league that kind of blurring the lines of his
(35:14):
coverage between man and zone and showing zone principles and
man concepts, pattern matching, matchup zone, doing all those kinds
of things. And it takes a little bit of time
to figure all that out. And don't forget you're trying
to figure that out at the same time, you've got
a pass rush with Khalil Mack, Akeem Hicks and at
(35:35):
times Leonard Floyd. So I thought in that game that
Goff was very unsettled pretty early in the game. I
didn't get the sense watching the tape he was really
clear on what he was seeing. And when the quarterback
doesn't feel comfortable with what he's seeing it he really
struggles to play. How much different were the Packers after
the coaching change. I don't think they were dramatically different.
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I mean, you know, I think they ran the ball
and I think they got to continue to do that. Um,
you know, I think we'll get a better idea. They
play the Bears this week, and I think we'll get
a much better feel for what the Packers try to
do offensively this week. Uh, Steelers lost again. I know
Big Bend didn't play part of the second half because
the vib um. But this is three in row and
(36:19):
now they have now they have the Patriots coming in
as well. When you watch the Steelers on tape, what's missing? Oh,
I think it's pretty evident. You go, they've lost three
and rrow. As you said, you know what in in
those three games. Here's here's what their breakdown is offensively,
and just think about this for a minute. I know
these are numbers, but the quarterback has dropped back a
hundred and forty nine times in these three games. The
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running backs have rushed the ball forty six times. Think
about that. You can't play like that. And their offense
has sort of settled into in the past game being
individual routes and they have good players so they can
win individual routes or Roethlisberger making second reaction plays. There's
no rhythm to their offense at all, right now, no
rhythm at all. Baker Mayfield. Um, it seems we see
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the electric plays, the explosive plays. We saw some turnovers
kind of the week before, and you said, Hey, what
impressed me was even after those turnovers, he still had
a ton of confidence. You watch Baker Mayfield this week
and you continue to be impressed. Oh my god, I
thought he was. He was really efficient this week. His
ball placement is so precise. That's the defining feature of
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his play. He beats tight coverage because he places the
ball exactly where it needs to go. Uh. I thought
he was really really good this week. And I love
how aggressive he is turning it loose. I think that's
an NFL quarterback trade um. And he has a very
good feel for both climbing the pocket and then navigating
the pocket with effective movements, so I think he's an
(37:45):
improving player. I think he'll get better. They have a
running back. I think I think this offense has a
chance to just get better and better. Awesome stuff, Greg Costell,
NFL Films. He joins us every week. Greg, thanks so much, right,
I appreciate it.
Host
Doug Gottlieb
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