December 18, 2018 • 30 mins
Doug thinks Cam Newton suffering another shoulder injury is bad news for other NFL teams who have mobile QBs. He tells you why Packers QB Aaron Rodgers should play the rest of the season even though they’ve been eliminated from the playoffs. And Daniel Jeremiah from the NFL Network joins the show to discuss the Saints and Rams offensive struggles.
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Or Daniel Jeremiah from the NFL Network, or Josh Johnson,
Redskins quarterback. Let's get to last night what we saw
Cam Newton. Now, look, I will fully admit I am
not a Cam Newton dude, and not my jam. And
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the reason is that so many things have to go
right in order for Cam to be Cam in the NFL. Right,
you have to play a little bit more ball control
because he's not a throw at fifty times a game guy,
because he's never been accurate. He's just not He's not
a savant in terms of breaking down defenses. That's not
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what he does. Now. He has a huge arm, a
huge body, he's a remarkable athlete, and guys seem to
like him. And so those things not all people, but
guys seem to like him. So with with that in mind,
you've got those three things going for you. He's been
a league m v P. He's been to a super Bowl.
Albeit he performed very poorly in the Super Bowl, but
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during and after the game he's not perfect. But he's
also not the worst quarterback in the league. Last night,
he was obviously limited by what we believe is a
an injured shoulder, as well as plenty against a pretty
good defense and with the an offense that's suddenly become inept.
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But that I had, I had too ofts here and
watch it. This one. This one is interesting. There's been
a lot of calls for Colin Kaepernick to be in
the NFL. Okay, Colin Kaepernick is going to be in
the NFL. The first team that you pick up the
phone is the Carolina Panthers. Right, what? What? What were
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the limitations on Colin Kaepernick even when he was healthy
and reny defense? Great, I couldn't throw it from different
arm angles because he got small hands, but great out
of the pocket, does have a good arm, not great
at breaking down defenses. He's a different version of Cam Newton.
But do you want to know why that will never happen?
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It has nothing to do with him suing the league.
Although I'm sure that might play a small part of it.
Cam Newton is not letting that happen. Zero chance when
you're a starter, especially you're a guy with this big
and ego and is big of a following, and you're
the franchise quarterback like Cam Newton A lot like the
reason Kaepernick wasn't backup quarterback in Seattle, Russell Wilson wasn't
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having that. Neither will Cam not. Neither will Cam Newton.
So I watched yesterday, I'm like, man, why don't they
put the back? Oh? Yeah, the backup is Derrick Anderson,
Which brings me to my second point. Cam Newton is
arguably the best big athlete to ever play the position
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of quarterback, right, Like there have been big human beings
you guys. Ever, we've had Drew Bledsoe on before, Like
Drew Bledsoe is gigantic. There was Martin McGuire. Remember Mark
McGuire's brother, All right, you guys remember him. I don't
remember his first name. I'm but I'm blanking Dan McGuire, right,
Dan the man, Dan McGuire. He was like six eight
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at quarterback. Brock Osward was like six seven six eight.
There have been big dudes. Kim Newton is big, Kim
Newton is wide, Kim Newton is a physical specimen Greek gods.
You're like, we look up to that guy. That's how
big and physical and the type of specimen that Cam
Newton is. And Cam Newton's body continues to break down.
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Why because the way he has to play the quarterback position,
he has to be a vital threat to run the football.
And while his head isn't as much an issue because frankly,
his head is above anybody else's target level, his shoulders aren't,
his knees aren't, legs aren't, and you're watching his shoulder
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and you're like, man, why is it so bad? Because
he's taking a beating this can and and I've had
Lamar Jackson fans, and why did you throw Lamar Jackson
in there? Look, I don't think Lamar Jackson is going
to be a good quarterback long term. I have years
of history, both recent and previous to tell you that
I do understand why it's working in the short term,
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and I'm fast to see if it'll work uh next
season if they continue on this path in Baltimore. Right,
But in order to continue on this path, you're gonna
have to get some backups that play like that because
he's gonna miss some games and he's gonna have to
evolve and improve as a pastor, which I just think
there's limitations to how much you improve. We'll see. But
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Lamar Jackson has taken the starting job from Joe Flacco
and they're gonna ride and die with him in Baltimore.
And anyone says I don't understand the correlation between Lamar
Jackson and Cam Newton, well, Lamar Jackson's gonna run the
football more, he's gonna throw it less. He's like half
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the size and width of Cam Newton, and he's gonna
take the same, if not a greater beating. And then
you have the issues that Cam runs into where Mr
Jackson doesn't read a defense all that well, he's not
terribly accurate, which has been the biggest knock on Cam Newton.
And unlike Cam Newton, when Cam Newton gets hurt, he's
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so big he can still find a way to be effective.
If that little dude gets hit, and he's you're gonna
get hit, They're gonna catch you eventually. Just doesn't seem
to have a long staying power. You know who else
I'm fear for Deshaun Watson. Like, look, if it could
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happen to Cam Newton, it could happen to Deshaun Watson,
who's torn to t a c l s already. We're
not even talking about the rest of his body taking competing.
I don't know if you're aware, but Deshaun Watson had
to drive. He hadn't wait. Somebody drive him from Houston
to Jacksonville for a football game because he had a
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collapsed lung that actually happened. Look, Deshaun Watson is tougher
than a two dollar steak, and I actually think he's
a good enough leader and a potentially a better quarterback
than Cam Newton. I don't think I'm speaking out of
turn and saying that I don't think he's great. I
don't think he's But all you have to know is
that style of quarterback just we can't protect you there.
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We can't. It's like if you remember, you guys watch
The Godfather too. Remember the Godfather too? Godfather Too. They
moved the family to Nevada. My Godfather too. They're in Nevada,
and when Michael Corleone leaves the compound can't protect you,
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so the family stays only within the compound. The pocket
is the compound. Anything outside the rest of the world
and one of the other families might want to take
a shot at you. That's all it is. Like, Oh,
Tom tom Brady got hurt once and he's played for
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eighteen years. Yeah. And by the way, when he got
rolled up on what the NFL did? It changed the
rule you can't hit a guy below the knee Tom
Brady rule. Philip Rivers is arguably the worst athlete to
ever play the position. I'm serious with this, Philip Philip
Rivers is a terrible athlete. He's not slow because he's old.
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He's always been slow. He started I think two five
or two d six consecutive games. Do you know why
he never leaves a compound? Eli Manning. The only thing
that stopped his starting streak was he was terrible and
he didn't want to come out of the game in
the fourth quarter, so they took him out in the
first quarter. Oops. So I mean, look, when did Carson
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Wentz get hurt last year? Did he get hurt the compound? Noop,
He wanted to go and do his own thing. Andrew
Luck trying to take on linebackers. And then the snowboarding incident.
That stuff didn't happen in in uh in the pocket. Yeah,
the snowboarding incident was something was long rumored and he
actually talked about it before the season after he had
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hurt himself supposedly one time he hurt himself again, hurt
his shoulder again snowboarding. Yeah, even Drew Brees has played forever.
Drew Breese remember his shoulder nearly fell off. I can't
remember that. I thought that. I think that was scrambling.
That was that might have been a sack. That was
his last game as a San Diego Chargers. Devastating stuff.
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But Drew Brees is tiny. He's my size, you know,
like he's playing because he stays in the compound. Look
if if that big dude who's six ft six and
fifty pounds has got a cannon for an arm, he's
he can he's like a freight train running him. If
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they can't hurt him, what do you think they're gonna
do to Lamar Jackson and Deshaun Watson and any of
these other running quarterbacks. In addition to the limitations that
some of these guys have in terms of their ability
to pick a part of defense, and some of it
was they've been so athlete athletic for so long they've
been able to get away with it, and they haven't
had had to go through progressions. They haven't had to
learn about what Kurt ornered him, which is get it
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and just get rid of it quick. They're athletic. Gifts
have actually come back to hurt him. Even Steve Young,
greatest scrambling quarterback of all times. Steve Young career cut short.
Why because he got went out of the compound. DW
Brees was diving on a pumbe under the goal line. Yeah,
and his arm got bent back was so nasty. So
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I watched last night and again, I'm not a cam guy,
but I'm not a cam hater. I just I realized
what he is. I think most they realize what he is.
But that guy has taken a beating and that's the
only way in which he can play the position is
if you make him into a runner. You use the
fact that he's a freight train. The problem with that
is it's just the attrition. The body blows up. A
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hit here, a hit there. Don't believe me. Deshaun Watson
to a c l S. All right, that thought about it.
That's about running. What about the collapse long this year?
That's the league. Be sure to catch live editions of
the Doug Dot Leaps Show week days in noon eastern
three pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I
Heart Radio app. Daniel Jeremiah joins us. You can see
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him on the NFL Network. You can download his podcast
with Bucky Brooks called Move the Sticks, and if you
live in l A you can listen to him on
the Chargers radio broadcast. Let's start there. It looks like
the Ravens are gonna move on from Joe Flacco. Um,
but the Chargers have had a couple of extra days
to prepare for this offense, and the Ravens will have
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one less day to prepare for the Chargers. Do the
Chargers have the makeup in terms of their defensive style
to stop what the Ravens are doing? I think so.
I think from a speed standpoint, they'll match up fine. Um.
You know, when you look at the way the Church
has been playing that they primarily meant dime defense right
now since injury to Carmen uh So, you'll see Adrian
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Phillips is a safety that's down in the box functioning
as a linebacker. Next to Davis Brown is an undersized
linebacker who can really roll. So they've got plenty of speed,
you know. In terms of trying to match Lamar Jackson,
I think that the challenge will be more with them
running the ball between the pococles with the gust bus there,
with the way he's been running. That'll that'll be uh
their challenge defensively. But I actually think matchup wise, they
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you know, they're they're pretty good there to me that
the game is going to be decided on the other side,
and I think the extra time to prepare will actually
benefit the Charger's offense more than their defense because you
will not see a more multiple, uh more exotic look
than you'll see from the Baltimore Ravens defense. And but
you will also I don't know if you the weaponry
that if healthy, if healthy, that they're gonna throw out there.
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I don't think anyone in the NFL has, I mean,
especially kids the city. You would have said when fully
healthy before they had to make a change at running
back would have been the only one. But especially if
they get Hunter Henry back for the playoffs. Tell me
the team that's got Keenan, Allen Hunter, Henry, Melvin Gordon, uh,
Mike Williams, uh Tyrrell Williams, Travis, Travis, Benjamin can Fly.
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I mean it's Austin Ekeler like do It's unbelievable how
many dudes they got. Yeah, they've got a bunch. And
you know the interesting thing, Well, if if Melvin Gordon plays,
we'll wait and see. Uh. If he plays and he's
close to a he is a huge difference maker because
he gives him something that they've missed even though they've
won games at Pittsburgh and they win the game in
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Kansas City. Gives them just a little more physicality in
the run game. Um, look, dude, they did a nice job.
You see Dietre Newsom out there straight out of Western
Carolina and that stage playing well, Justine Jackson playing well.
I mean, they've done a nice job, but they don't
have the physicality that Gordon can bring in. And I
think now you're just kind of patient and be very
patient here with Hunter Henry, I don't know if we'll
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see him during the regular season. Might even be something
to just throw them out there during the playoffs. But man,
they it's tough to match up with all the different
things they can throw at you. And Philip Rivers is
as good as it gets in terms of finding the
one he wants. I like Mahomes more than some people.
I do realize that some of that risk. He's not
risk averse yet, which is good and bad. It'll come
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back and get you. But I also think they're a
different team without Kareem Hunt. And I'm not a huge
Sammy Watkins guy, but they're a different guy without Sammy Watkins.
Tell me I'm wrong, Well, I don't think that they're
I don't think they're a complete team yet. You know,
when you when you we talked about the defense, that's
a whole other story. Now they have got rushers they
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can throw at you. Their outstanding. The back of their
defense is not good, but that would be on the
front burner for me if I was looking at Kansas,
So you want to do in the offseason, but to
me on the on the offensive side of the ball,
maybe even more so than Curnem Hunt. Um. I was
talking about this with b and I said, you know,
during this time of year, it is now when you
have a big physical wide receiver because the speech guys,
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you know, you've seen a little bit with Brandon Cooks,
which seemed a little bit with Tyreek kill Um. You
start to wear it down a little bit, you know,
and you get into some get some bad weather, it's
cold outside. You know who didn't struggle to the night
was alshon Jeffrey. Because side doesn't matter if you're if
your coverage, that size still plays. I don't know that
Kansas City has one of those books physical wide receivers.
Now they have a tight end obviously in Kelsey's a
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big time. I think they need to find somebody to
be a little bit more physical on the outside. Doug
gotlib show here on Fox Sports Radio. What do you
make a last Night's game where New Orleans survives Carolina
even though Cam Newton can't throw a football? Yeah, I
mean New Orleans found a way. I mean I remember
when M m A first started, Doug like the UFC
and they would announce the fighters and they'd say, this
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is a wrestler going up against the boxer, this guy,
that judo fighter going up against the jiu jitsu artist.
And then it became the point where you just had
to be well rounded. Um, when I look at the Saints,
I think it's encouraging because it's not like this is
just a passing team. Now, this is a team that
can play for physical and grind it if you have
to grind it. Defensively, they can rush the pastor we
knew that. Now the back end with the Apple coming around, Um,
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they're starting to make plays. So I think when you
get in the postseason, you've got to be able to
win kind of a variety of ways. Can't be a
one dimensional team. Uh. And I think that would be
encouraging to me from the Saint at that point. And
I think offensively, you know, kind of their sputtering. I
think that'll go away once they get back inside the dome. Yeah, no,
I I that's almost exactly. Well. I went out word
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for word, but kind of the general just of what
I just said, What do you do with Cam? Well,
I would shut him down if I was Carolina because
he doesn't look right, you know. I mean, Cam is
never gonna be, you know, the most accurate thrower in
the NFL. But he was actually playing pretty well earlier
this year. Um, it was had been more accurate than
we had ever seen him. Um, So to me, he's
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clearly not healthy, clearly not right. Uh. And to me,
if if I was, I just look at it from
a different perspective because I'm looking at it going if
I'm up in Buffalo right now, I'm pulling Josh Allen
and saying, hey man, you're having success and you're running hard,
and that's great, but just use this as a lesson
here at Cam Newton. I mean, as big as you are,
camp Neton is even bigger. You cannot hold up like this.
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So we've got to find a way to adjust a
little bit. Yeah, which is what I said. I said, like,
look if Cam Newton, who's the biggest physical right like
I mean, but he's not just in like other guys are.
He's an amazing physical specimen. If his body can't hold up,
how can Houston? How can how can Baltimore expect more
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diminutive athletic quarterbacks to hold up to the beating that
they're going to take. You can't, You absolutely can't. And
it's funny. I don't know. I had no idea that
you was going or thinking that or talking about that,
but that was that was the first thing that came
to mind because he has always been kind of the
poster child. Well, unless you're built like Cam Newton, you
can't play like this. Even Cam Newton is broken down. Um,
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so it's just hard to sustain that over time. Dania
Jeremiah guest in the Dug Outlive show on Fox Sports Radio. Um,
are we giving too much credit to Andrew Luck if
we say he should be in this m v P discussion, Well,
I think you've got the Comeback Player of the Year
award wrapped up. Um. But I would say in the
m v P discussion, Yeah, I mean I think he
deserves to mention there, no question. Um But I almost
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think the Colts the bigger story with them. And Andrew's
been phenomenal. We knew he was really good. Um. I
think just the rebirth of the offensive line or the
existence of one, I should say, Um, and what they've
done defensively and got so much faster. Sometimes it's like,
let's not make this game more complicated on this, let's
not make uh scouting more complicated. And you look at
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the best defenses in the NFL, Doug, they're all fast,
and that Colt's team was so slow. You watch them now,
those those two linebackers everybody knows about Darius Leonard, the
kid playing next to a walker. He's a low force
six guy. I mean they fly all over the field.
That they do. They do fly all of the field.
How what's what's the biggest issues with the Patriots? I mean,
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Cronk is I mean I said it the other day
on TV. But you know George Fant. The Seahawks play
with the six offensive line and with George Fan playing
tight end. I think George Fant runs better than Gronk
does right now. Um, he can't move. I mean it's sad.
It's sad to watch. He's a whole same level player,
one of the greatest players in his position in the the
history of the NFL. But he can't gear down. Um,
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he can't change direction, he can't adjust on the move.
He just can't. He's just you can tell. It's obviously
he is nowhere near being healthy. Um, so you don't
have any mismatched players. Edelman is not really He's a
nice number two, you know, mismatch guy. He's not a
number one mismatch guy. And you get to the top
of the drop. I know people were killing Brady with
the you know, it made one bad decision. I challenge
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you go watch that tape and tell me what Brady
could have done that he really didn't do. I mean,
here's nowhere to go with the football. Yeah, no, I mean, look,
this is it's it's interesting and it's also interesting that
they're not able to and part of it was playing
against Pittsburgh. But I do think that they knew some
of this earlier in the year and tried to use
Sonny Michelle Moore. That's kind of a power running game,
and they seemed to try and get away from it
against Pittsburgh and do what they always do against Pittsburgh,
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which is fine mismatches. They just didn't have any They
don't have anything. No, they don't really have guys. And
I know there was some hope about Josh Gordon being
that guy. Maybe he'll prove me wrong and be that
guy in the postseason. But nine times out of ten
when you've been unreliable, um, you know over a period
of years that that that doesn't change. Daniel Jeremiah joining
us in the Doug Otlip Show on Fox Sports Radio.
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You buying in the Browns. I think I'll buy into
him this way. I think if you know, they if
they were going to extend the season by two weeks,
they'd get in the postseason and they'd be pretty tough
to beat. Um. They've got a lot of talent on
the roster. Uh, but you know, I just don't think
there's enough runway left for them to get into the postseason.
So they'll they'll take they'll take solace in the fact
that I think they got a chance to be five
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team and that's a big step from where that that
organization has been. And there'll be somebody are all be
paying attention to coming in the next year. I'm a
convert to the Church of Jeremiah, and we talked about
Luck a little bit previously. I said that that game
Colts Cowboys was tractor and trailer? Is that too simplistic?
Is that? I've quoted it several times over on Cowherd
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show Earler today, is l Is that too simplistic a
way to point out the difference. There's a lot of
other differences between those two teams, but the difference in
quarterback is Luck is a tractor and Doc is a trailer. Yeah,
I mean, that's that's why we came up with it,
you know, That's what it's what it describes it's great
imagery and you just kind of see that um and
you know it's it's sometimes it takes a while for
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these guys to kind of define themselves on what on
what they are in that regard. Some guys can grow
from being a trailer into a truck, but there is
no clear evidence of a truck than Andrew Luck And
you could tell with Doc he kind of had everything
else has to go right for him, you know, in
order for them to be successful. There's nothing wrong. There's
teams have won Super Bowls with trailers and not trucks.
To have everything else going for he trend admitted to
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it to us as well, like he he try to deal.
Fer talked about it, Uh, talked about it yesterday. Eagles
go in and beat the Rams. Let's start with the Rams.
What's wrong with golf? Well, they can't stretch the field,
so everything is shrunk. And I've been using the basketball
for just saying, look, they're they're playing five on five
half court right now. They've got to find a way
where they can stretch the field. And part of that
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is because they haven't held up well in protection and
he's been getting hit. Part of it is because they
haven't run the ball quite as well. So when you run,
when you run it, well, you you forced them to
drop a safety down. You get more single high safety looks,
you can take more shots. So they kind of all
goes together with why that's happening. But when they have
been able to get those uh, those chunks down the
field and then the turnovers have coming bunches. Yeah, okay,
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so so the basketball trum would be, uh, people are
shrinking the court on them that they're having space, they're
having spacing issues. They don't remember remember remember when we
were like we're on your fourteen or fifteen and you
had fours, You're gonna have just runs. Let's just run
full fours, and there's just so much space in the room.
Um like that. They're they are very much in the
half court environment and there are a lot of dudes
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out there. Is it dixable? Well, I mean I think
to me, it starts with being able to you know,
get more physical upfront. They're gonna have to go, you know,
established the run more than they probably we want to. Um.
So to me, you know that's where it's got to start.
I think that is something you can you can do.
The goodness is they've got to somewhat get right opponents
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ahead of them, you know what. You know what's interesting
about that? Okay, so can I use what can we
talk basketball and football kind of combined? Alright? So here's
here's the thing. A lot of young basketball coaches, especially
college but guys get a shot and they always like,
you know, like I get the job from the old man,
and we're gonna play faster, we're gonna shoot quicker, right,
And they do, and they take more threes, and turns
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out they take more questionable shots, they don't play as
good a defense, and turns out the old man's way
of playing a little bit slower, a little bit more
conservatively ends up working out. In football kind of feels
like the same way with McVeigh, right, Like he's young,
he's got all these ideas, and we'll we'll give you
a million different looks up the exact same you know,
formation running Levin's or whenever, same personnel groupings, and we'll
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throw the football. When you know, some of the old
school way of just lining up and smashing somebody time
and again does actually work. Yeah, No, I think there's
something too that the only thing I would say is
if you know his style with the way Y does
it with everything coming off that same look, get under center,
run the ball, come you know, workoff play action. To me,
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if they're playing well up front, I think some of
the slippage in the performance of the offensive line. Um,
it maybe is outside of mcveigh's control there because if
they were still playing as well as they were last
year even the beginning portionate this year, I still think
this could work, and I think it could work into
the postseason. But man, they just got to play better. Yeah, yeah,
they they do have to play better. Um. Last thing Eagles,
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why they look so different? Well, I mean, look, one
of the things offensively with Nick Foles, when you go
back and watch the tape is he was just finding
the one on one matchups and al shot Jeffrey got loose,
as everybody knows. Um. But you know, look, there was
the numbers that Earth had put up were astronomical, and
some people looked at that and said, man, he's he's
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locked onto it's a little bit and folds Is is
distributing the ball a little bit more so that that
definitely was a factor more than anything else. They're healthier
on the offensive line, which means they're protecting, which means
they're able to run the ball um and then defensively,
Michael Bennett has kind of gone in the gun of
the DeLorean. It looks like the Michael Bennett from four
years ago. I mean he's been dominant up there. You know,
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Fletcher Cox is going to do his thing. Brandon Graham.
They've got power rushers coming off the edge, so a
lot of times you'll see rush inside outs. You've got
power inside speed outside, so you push the pocket inside
and speed on the outside collapses that they do it
the opposite. They've got power out from the outside and
they got to speed inside and they've been getting home
awesome stuff. Look, I look forward to us seeing you
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Saturday night. I may actually you get a texted me.
I mean a couple of passes. Believe it or not.
Charger games Sedley really hard to get tickets. The hot
ticket man, it's unblown. It's unbelievable. Like I I said
a text like, hey, can I get Can I get four?
Maybe six for Saturday night? They're like, dude, I gotta
ask for a favor to get you too. I was like, what,
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Like I used to I used to be used to
be able to walk up. People would pay you to
go in and see the Chargers because they don't want
to it is it is the hot ticket. I may
be standing next to you while you're calling the game
with Matt money Smith DJ. Thanks so much for joining us.
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Fascinated to to uh to talk about this Aaron Rodgers topic.
You know, what do you do with Aaron Rodgers? Do
you play in the last two games this season when
you're playing out the string and what good can really
really happen? Joe Philbin said, in in the general sense,
my philosophy as football players are paid played to play
football games, and football coaches are paid to coach football games,
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so obviously you have to go out there through the week.
We would never put out any player that wasn't physically
ready to go. But that's my general philosophy and overall
philosophy with it's Aaron Rodgers anybody else with the Green
Bay Packers were a football team and we're in the
business of winning football games. We all want our players
who are healthy to contribute to the overall success of
the team. What do you do? What do you do? Look,
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I've said this before about bowl games. I don't like
the idea of not playing in bowl games. One just
because you're lying. You're like, well, I need to get
ready for the draft. You need to go lift weights,
work out, or you could You don't even have to
play the whole game. Some of these guys, they just
draw attention to themselves. You don't have to play. Just
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show up and don't play on practice with you, or hey, coach,
I just want to play the first quarter and can
I get out if it really is a meaningless game
to you? Or yeah, tell your coach, coach, I would
prefer to not as soon as we're playing, well, if
we get a lead, I'd like to come out. Most
of those guys actually want to play. They have agents
telling them somehow they might get hurt. And the truth
is that though you can get hurt playing football, you
can also get hurt working out. But the football thing
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is interesting because the Packers nunlike anybody else. They could
use some draft picks, couldn't they. And the only guy
you can't get hurt in that organization is Aaron Rodgers's
making more money than god. Contract kicks in again next year.
They're five and eight on the season. Is it worth
trying to finish seven eight and one? We have the
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sound of what Aaron Rodgers said. Aaron Rodgers said, Hey, look,
you know Brett Farve played out the string here. Basically
it was I remember being behind Brett Farve and late
in the season people thought I might get in and
there wasn't anything anything about get I wasn't getting in.
Why because BETD five played football every Sunday for the Packers.
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The culture of every place is different. And I think
it's important for Aaron Rodgers to end this season with
a couple of wins. That means you have to play
the whole time, but seven eight and one and finishing
off in a high note. These are their bowl games,
That's what it is. And bowl games are important, like no,
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they're not, Yes they are. When the n I T
winning the c I T, winning a couple of games
in your conference tournament, they're important. It lost Aaron Jones.
He's out with an m c L. He's out for
the rest of the rest of the season. You're gonna
throw de Sean Kaiser out there. You can throw out
there in the fourth quarter if you have big lead
against the Jets. Maybe in the second half, but Aaron Rodgers,
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your quarterback,
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Redskins quarterback. Let's get to last night what we saw
Cam Newton. Now, look, I will fully admit I am
not a Cam Newton dude, and not my jam. And
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the reason is that so many things have to go
right in order for Cam to be Cam in the NFL. Right,
you have to play a little bit more ball control
because he's not a throw at fifty times a game guy,
because he's never been accurate. He's just not He's not
a savant in terms of breaking down defenses. That's not
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what he does. Now. He has a huge arm, a
huge body, he's a remarkable athlete, and guys seem to
like him. And so those things not all people, but
guys seem to like him. So with with that in mind,
you've got those three things going for you. He's been
a league m v P. He's been to a super Bowl.
Albeit he performed very poorly in the Super Bowl, but
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during and after the game he's not perfect. But he's
also not the worst quarterback in the league. Last night,
he was obviously limited by what we believe is a
an injured shoulder, as well as plenty against a pretty
good defense and with the an offense that's suddenly become inept.
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But that I had, I had too ofts here and
watch it. This one. This one is interesting. There's been
a lot of calls for Colin Kaepernick to be in
the NFL. Okay, Colin Kaepernick is going to be in
the NFL. The first team that you pick up the
phone is the Carolina Panthers. Right, what? What? What were
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the limitations on Colin Kaepernick even when he was healthy
and reny defense? Great, I couldn't throw it from different
arm angles because he got small hands, but great out
of the pocket, does have a good arm, not great
at breaking down defenses. He's a different version of Cam Newton.
But do you want to know why that will never happen?
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It has nothing to do with him suing the league.
Although I'm sure that might play a small part of it.
Cam Newton is not letting that happen. Zero chance when
you're a starter, especially you're a guy with this big
and ego and is big of a following, and you're
the franchise quarterback like Cam Newton A lot like the
reason Kaepernick wasn't backup quarterback in Seattle, Russell Wilson wasn't
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having that. Neither will Cam not. Neither will Cam Newton.
So I watched yesterday, I'm like, man, why don't they
put the back? Oh? Yeah, the backup is Derrick Anderson,
Which brings me to my second point. Cam Newton is
arguably the best big athlete to ever play the position
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of quarterback, right, Like there have been big human beings
you guys. Ever, we've had Drew Bledsoe on before, Like
Drew Bledsoe is gigantic. There was Martin McGuire. Remember Mark
McGuire's brother, All right, you guys remember him. I don't
remember his first name. I'm but I'm blanking Dan McGuire, right,
Dan the man, Dan McGuire. He was like six eight
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at quarterback. Brock Osward was like six seven six eight.
There have been big dudes. Kim Newton is big, Kim
Newton is wide, Kim Newton is a physical specimen Greek gods.
You're like, we look up to that guy. That's how
big and physical and the type of specimen that Cam
Newton is. And Cam Newton's body continues to break down.
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Why because the way he has to play the quarterback position,
he has to be a vital threat to run the football.
And while his head isn't as much an issue because frankly,
his head is above anybody else's target level, his shoulders aren't,
his knees aren't, legs aren't, and you're watching his shoulder
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and you're like, man, why is it so bad? Because
he's taking a beating this can and and I've had
Lamar Jackson fans, and why did you throw Lamar Jackson
in there? Look, I don't think Lamar Jackson is going
to be a good quarterback long term. I have years
of history, both recent and previous to tell you that
I do understand why it's working in the short term,
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and I'm fast to see if it'll work uh next
season if they continue on this path in Baltimore. Right,
But in order to continue on this path, you're gonna
have to get some backups that play like that because
he's gonna miss some games and he's gonna have to
evolve and improve as a pastor, which I just think
there's limitations to how much you improve. We'll see. But
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Lamar Jackson has taken the starting job from Joe Flacco
and they're gonna ride and die with him in Baltimore.
And anyone says I don't understand the correlation between Lamar
Jackson and Cam Newton, well, Lamar Jackson's gonna run the
football more, he's gonna throw it less. He's like half
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the size and width of Cam Newton, and he's gonna
take the same, if not a greater beating. And then
you have the issues that Cam runs into where Mr
Jackson doesn't read a defense all that well, he's not
terribly accurate, which has been the biggest knock on Cam Newton.
And unlike Cam Newton, when Cam Newton gets hurt, he's
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so big he can still find a way to be effective.
If that little dude gets hit, and he's you're gonna
get hit, They're gonna catch you eventually. Just doesn't seem
to have a long staying power. You know who else
I'm fear for Deshaun Watson. Like, look, if it could
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happen to Cam Newton, it could happen to Deshaun Watson,
who's torn to t a c l s already. We're
not even talking about the rest of his body taking competing.
I don't know if you're aware, but Deshaun Watson had
to drive. He hadn't wait. Somebody drive him from Houston
to Jacksonville for a football game because he had a
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collapsed lung that actually happened. Look, Deshaun Watson is tougher
than a two dollar steak, and I actually think he's
a good enough leader and a potentially a better quarterback
than Cam Newton. I don't think I'm speaking out of
turn and saying that I don't think he's great. I
don't think he's But all you have to know is
that style of quarterback just we can't protect you there.
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We can't. It's like if you remember, you guys watch
The Godfather too. Remember the Godfather too? Godfather Too. They
moved the family to Nevada. My Godfather too. They're in Nevada,
and when Michael Corleone leaves the compound can't protect you,
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so the family stays only within the compound. The pocket
is the compound. Anything outside the rest of the world
and one of the other families might want to take
a shot at you. That's all it is. Like, Oh,
Tom tom Brady got hurt once and he's played for
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eighteen years. Yeah. And by the way, when he got
rolled up on what the NFL did? It changed the
rule you can't hit a guy below the knee Tom
Brady rule. Philip Rivers is arguably the worst athlete to
ever play the position. I'm serious with this, Philip Philip
Rivers is a terrible athlete. He's not slow because he's old.
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He's always been slow. He started I think two five
or two d six consecutive games. Do you know why
he never leaves a compound? Eli Manning. The only thing
that stopped his starting streak was he was terrible and
he didn't want to come out of the game in
the fourth quarter, so they took him out in the
first quarter. Oops. So I mean, look, when did Carson
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Wentz get hurt last year? Did he get hurt the compound? Noop,
He wanted to go and do his own thing. Andrew
Luck trying to take on linebackers. And then the snowboarding incident.
That stuff didn't happen in in uh in the pocket. Yeah,
the snowboarding incident was something was long rumored and he
actually talked about it before the season after he had
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hurt himself supposedly one time he hurt himself again, hurt
his shoulder again snowboarding. Yeah, even Drew Brees has played forever.
Drew Breese remember his shoulder nearly fell off. I can't
remember that. I thought that. I think that was scrambling.
That was that might have been a sack. That was
his last game as a San Diego Chargers. Devastating stuff.
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But Drew Brees is tiny. He's my size, you know,
like he's playing because he stays in the compound. Look
if if that big dude who's six ft six and
fifty pounds has got a cannon for an arm, he's
he can he's like a freight train running him. If
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they can't hurt him, what do you think they're gonna
do to Lamar Jackson and Deshaun Watson and any of
these other running quarterbacks. In addition to the limitations that
some of these guys have in terms of their ability
to pick a part of defense, and some of it
was they've been so athlete athletic for so long they've
been able to get away with it, and they haven't
had had to go through progressions. They haven't had to
learn about what Kurt ornered him, which is get it
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and just get rid of it quick. They're athletic. Gifts
have actually come back to hurt him. Even Steve Young,
greatest scrambling quarterback of all times. Steve Young career cut short.
Why because he got went out of the compound. DW
Brees was diving on a pumbe under the goal line. Yeah,
and his arm got bent back was so nasty. So
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I watched last night and again, I'm not a cam guy,
but I'm not a cam hater. I just I realized
what he is. I think most they realize what he is.
But that guy has taken a beating and that's the
only way in which he can play the position is
if you make him into a runner. You use the
fact that he's a freight train. The problem with that
is it's just the attrition. The body blows up. A
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hit here, a hit there. Don't believe me. Deshaun Watson
to a c l S. All right, that thought about it.
That's about running. What about the collapse long this year?
That's the league. Be sure to catch live editions of
the Doug Dot Leaps Show week days in noon eastern
three pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I
Heart Radio app. Daniel Jeremiah joins us. You can see
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him on the NFL Network. You can download his podcast
with Bucky Brooks called Move the Sticks, and if you
live in l A you can listen to him on
the Chargers radio broadcast. Let's start there. It looks like
the Ravens are gonna move on from Joe Flacco. Um,
but the Chargers have had a couple of extra days
to prepare for this offense, and the Ravens will have
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one less day to prepare for the Chargers. Do the
Chargers have the makeup in terms of their defensive style
to stop what the Ravens are doing? I think so.
I think from a speed standpoint, they'll match up fine. Um.
You know, when you look at the way the Church
has been playing that they primarily meant dime defense right
now since injury to Carmen uh So, you'll see Adrian
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Phillips is a safety that's down in the box functioning
as a linebacker. Next to Davis Brown is an undersized
linebacker who can really roll. So they've got plenty of speed,
you know. In terms of trying to match Lamar Jackson,
I think that the challenge will be more with them
running the ball between the pococles with the gust bus there,
with the way he's been running. That'll that'll be uh
their challenge defensively. But I actually think matchup wise, they
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you know, they're they're pretty good there to me that
the game is going to be decided on the other side,
and I think the extra time to prepare will actually
benefit the Charger's offense more than their defense because you
will not see a more multiple, uh more exotic look
than you'll see from the Baltimore Ravens defense. And but
you will also I don't know if you the weaponry
that if healthy, if healthy, that they're gonna throw out there.
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I don't think anyone in the NFL has, I mean,
especially kids the city. You would have said when fully
healthy before they had to make a change at running
back would have been the only one. But especially if
they get Hunter Henry back for the playoffs. Tell me
the team that's got Keenan, Allen Hunter, Henry, Melvin Gordon, uh,
Mike Williams, uh Tyrrell Williams, Travis, Travis, Benjamin can Fly.
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I mean it's Austin Ekeler like do It's unbelievable how
many dudes they got. Yeah, they've got a bunch. And
you know the interesting thing, Well, if if Melvin Gordon plays,
we'll wait and see. Uh. If he plays and he's
close to a he is a huge difference maker because
he gives him something that they've missed even though they've
won games at Pittsburgh and they win the game in
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Kansas City. Gives them just a little more physicality in
the run game. Um, look, dude, they did a nice job.
You see Dietre Newsom out there straight out of Western
Carolina and that stage playing well, Justine Jackson playing well.
I mean, they've done a nice job, but they don't
have the physicality that Gordon can bring in. And I
think now you're just kind of patient and be very
patient here with Hunter Henry, I don't know if we'll
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see him during the regular season. Might even be something
to just throw them out there during the playoffs. But man,
they it's tough to match up with all the different
things they can throw at you. And Philip Rivers is
as good as it gets in terms of finding the
one he wants. I like Mahomes more than some people.
I do realize that some of that risk. He's not
risk averse yet, which is good and bad. It'll come
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back and get you. But I also think they're a
different team without Kareem Hunt. And I'm not a huge
Sammy Watkins guy, but they're a different guy without Sammy Watkins.
Tell me I'm wrong, Well, I don't think that they're
I don't think they're a complete team yet. You know,
when you when you we talked about the defense, that's
a whole other story. Now they have got rushers they
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can throw at you. Their outstanding. The back of their
defense is not good, but that would be on the
front burner for me if I was looking at Kansas,
So you want to do in the offseason, but to
me on the on the offensive side of the ball,
maybe even more so than Curnem Hunt. Um. I was
talking about this with b and I said, you know,
during this time of year, it is now when you
have a big physical wide receiver because the speech guys,
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you know, you've seen a little bit with Brandon Cooks,
which seemed a little bit with Tyreek kill Um. You
start to wear it down a little bit, you know,
and you get into some get some bad weather, it's
cold outside. You know who didn't struggle to the night
was alshon Jeffrey. Because side doesn't matter if you're if
your coverage, that size still plays. I don't know that
Kansas City has one of those books physical wide receivers.
Now they have a tight end obviously in Kelsey's a
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big time. I think they need to find somebody to
be a little bit more physical on the outside. Doug
gotlib show here on Fox Sports Radio. What do you
make a last Night's game where New Orleans survives Carolina
even though Cam Newton can't throw a football? Yeah, I
mean New Orleans found a way. I mean I remember
when M m A first started, Doug like the UFC
and they would announce the fighters and they'd say, this
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is a wrestler going up against the boxer, this guy,
that judo fighter going up against the jiu jitsu artist.
And then it became the point where you just had
to be well rounded. Um, when I look at the Saints,
I think it's encouraging because it's not like this is
just a passing team. Now, this is a team that
can play for physical and grind it if you have
to grind it. Defensively, they can rush the pastor we
knew that. Now the back end with the Apple coming around, Um,
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they're starting to make plays. So I think when you
get in the postseason, you've got to be able to
win kind of a variety of ways. Can't be a
one dimensional team. Uh. And I think that would be
encouraging to me from the Saint at that point. And
I think offensively, you know, kind of their sputtering. I
think that'll go away once they get back inside the dome. Yeah, no,
I I that's almost exactly. Well. I went out word
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for word, but kind of the general just of what
I just said, What do you do with Cam? Well,
I would shut him down if I was Carolina because
he doesn't look right, you know. I mean, Cam is
never gonna be, you know, the most accurate thrower in
the NFL. But he was actually playing pretty well earlier
this year. Um, it was had been more accurate than
we had ever seen him. Um, So to me, he's
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clearly not healthy, clearly not right. Uh. And to me,
if if I was, I just look at it from
a different perspective because I'm looking at it going if
I'm up in Buffalo right now, I'm pulling Josh Allen
and saying, hey man, you're having success and you're running hard,
and that's great, but just use this as a lesson
here at Cam Newton. I mean, as big as you are,
camp Neton is even bigger. You cannot hold up like this.
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So we've got to find a way to adjust a
little bit. Yeah, which is what I said. I said, like,
look if Cam Newton, who's the biggest physical right like
I mean, but he's not just in like other guys are.
He's an amazing physical specimen. If his body can't hold up,
how can Houston? How can how can Baltimore expect more
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diminutive athletic quarterbacks to hold up to the beating that
they're going to take. You can't, You absolutely can't. And
it's funny. I don't know. I had no idea that
you was going or thinking that or talking about that,
but that was that was the first thing that came
to mind because he has always been kind of the
poster child. Well, unless you're built like Cam Newton, you
can't play like this. Even Cam Newton is broken down. Um,
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so it's just hard to sustain that over time. Dania
Jeremiah guest in the Dug Outlive show on Fox Sports Radio. Um,
are we giving too much credit to Andrew Luck if
we say he should be in this m v P discussion, Well,
I think you've got the Comeback Player of the Year
award wrapped up. Um. But I would say in the
m v P discussion, Yeah, I mean I think he
deserves to mention there, no question. Um But I almost
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think the Colts the bigger story with them. And Andrew's
been phenomenal. We knew he was really good. Um. I
think just the rebirth of the offensive line or the
existence of one, I should say, Um, and what they've
done defensively and got so much faster. Sometimes it's like,
let's not make this game more complicated on this, let's
not make uh scouting more complicated. And you look at
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the best defenses in the NFL, Doug, they're all fast,
and that Colt's team was so slow. You watch them now,
those those two linebackers everybody knows about Darius Leonard, the
kid playing next to a walker. He's a low force
six guy. I mean they fly all over the field.
That they do. They do fly all of the field.
How what's what's the biggest issues with the Patriots? I mean,
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Cronk is I mean I said it the other day
on TV. But you know George Fant. The Seahawks play
with the six offensive line and with George Fan playing
tight end. I think George Fant runs better than Gronk
does right now. Um, he can't move. I mean it's sad.
It's sad to watch. He's a whole same level player,
one of the greatest players in his position in the the
history of the NFL. But he can't gear down. Um,
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he can't change direction, he can't adjust on the move.
He just can't. He's just you can tell. It's obviously
he is nowhere near being healthy. Um, so you don't
have any mismatched players. Edelman is not really He's a
nice number two, you know, mismatch guy. He's not a
number one mismatch guy. And you get to the top
of the drop. I know people were killing Brady with
the you know, it made one bad decision. I challenge
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you go watch that tape and tell me what Brady
could have done that he really didn't do. I mean,
here's nowhere to go with the football. Yeah, no, I mean, look,
this is it's it's interesting and it's also interesting that
they're not able to and part of it was playing
against Pittsburgh. But I do think that they knew some
of this earlier in the year and tried to use
Sonny Michelle Moore. That's kind of a power running game,
and they seemed to try and get away from it
against Pittsburgh and do what they always do against Pittsburgh,
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which is fine mismatches. They just didn't have any They
don't have anything. No, they don't really have guys. And
I know there was some hope about Josh Gordon being
that guy. Maybe he'll prove me wrong and be that
guy in the postseason. But nine times out of ten
when you've been unreliable, um, you know over a period
of years that that that doesn't change. Daniel Jeremiah joining
us in the Doug Otlip Show on Fox Sports Radio.
(21:16):
You buying in the Browns. I think I'll buy into
him this way. I think if you know, they if
they were going to extend the season by two weeks,
they'd get in the postseason and they'd be pretty tough
to beat. Um. They've got a lot of talent on
the roster. Uh, but you know, I just don't think
there's enough runway left for them to get into the postseason.
So they'll they'll take they'll take solace in the fact
that I think they got a chance to be five
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team and that's a big step from where that that
organization has been. And there'll be somebody are all be
paying attention to coming in the next year. I'm a
convert to the Church of Jeremiah, and we talked about
Luck a little bit previously. I said that that game
Colts Cowboys was tractor and trailer? Is that too simplistic?
Is that? I've quoted it several times over on Cowherd
(21:59):
show Earler today, is l Is that too simplistic a
way to point out the difference. There's a lot of
other differences between those two teams, but the difference in
quarterback is Luck is a tractor and Doc is a trailer. Yeah,
I mean, that's that's why we came up with it,
you know, That's what it's what it describes it's great
imagery and you just kind of see that um and
you know it's it's sometimes it takes a while for
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these guys to kind of define themselves on what on
what they are in that regard. Some guys can grow
from being a trailer into a truck, but there is
no clear evidence of a truck than Andrew Luck And
you could tell with Doc he kind of had everything
else has to go right for him, you know, in
order for them to be successful. There's nothing wrong. There's
teams have won Super Bowls with trailers and not trucks.
To have everything else going for he trend admitted to
(22:42):
it to us as well, like he he try to deal.
Fer talked about it, Uh, talked about it yesterday. Eagles
go in and beat the Rams. Let's start with the Rams.
What's wrong with golf? Well, they can't stretch the field,
so everything is shrunk. And I've been using the basketball
for just saying, look, they're they're playing five on five
half court right now. They've got to find a way
where they can stretch the field. And part of that
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is because they haven't held up well in protection and
he's been getting hit. Part of it is because they
haven't run the ball quite as well. So when you run,
when you run it, well, you you forced them to
drop a safety down. You get more single high safety looks,
you can take more shots. So they kind of all
goes together with why that's happening. But when they have
been able to get those uh, those chunks down the
field and then the turnovers have coming bunches. Yeah, okay,
(23:27):
so so the basketball trum would be, uh, people are
shrinking the court on them that they're having space, they're
having spacing issues. They don't remember remember remember when we
were like we're on your fourteen or fifteen and you
had fours, You're gonna have just runs. Let's just run
full fours, and there's just so much space in the room.
Um like that. They're they are very much in the
half court environment and there are a lot of dudes
(23:48):
out there. Is it dixable? Well, I mean I think
to me, it starts with being able to you know,
get more physical upfront. They're gonna have to go, you know,
established the run more than they probably we want to. Um.
So to me, you know that's where it's got to start.
I think that is something you can you can do.
The goodness is they've got to somewhat get right opponents
(24:09):
ahead of them, you know what. You know what's interesting
about that? Okay, so can I use what can we
talk basketball and football kind of combined? Alright? So here's
here's the thing. A lot of young basketball coaches, especially
college but guys get a shot and they always like,
you know, like I get the job from the old man,
and we're gonna play faster, we're gonna shoot quicker, right,
And they do, and they take more threes, and turns
(24:31):
out they take more questionable shots, they don't play as
good a defense, and turns out the old man's way
of playing a little bit slower, a little bit more
conservatively ends up working out. In football kind of feels
like the same way with McVeigh, right, Like he's young,
he's got all these ideas, and we'll we'll give you
a million different looks up the exact same you know,
formation running Levin's or whenever, same personnel groupings, and we'll
(24:53):
throw the football. When you know, some of the old
school way of just lining up and smashing somebody time
and again does actually work. Yeah, No, I think there's
something too that the only thing I would say is
if you know his style with the way Y does
it with everything coming off that same look, get under center,
run the ball, come you know, workoff play action. To me,
(25:14):
if they're playing well up front, I think some of
the slippage in the performance of the offensive line. Um,
it maybe is outside of mcveigh's control there because if
they were still playing as well as they were last
year even the beginning portionate this year, I still think
this could work, and I think it could work into
the postseason. But man, they just got to play better. Yeah, yeah,
they they do have to play better. Um. Last thing Eagles,
(25:39):
why they look so different? Well, I mean, look, one
of the things offensively with Nick Foles, when you go
back and watch the tape is he was just finding
the one on one matchups and al shot Jeffrey got loose,
as everybody knows. Um. But you know, look, there was
the numbers that Earth had put up were astronomical, and
some people looked at that and said, man, he's he's
(25:59):
locked onto it's a little bit and folds Is is
distributing the ball a little bit more so that that
definitely was a factor more than anything else. They're healthier
on the offensive line, which means they're protecting, which means
they're able to run the ball um and then defensively,
Michael Bennett has kind of gone in the gun of
the DeLorean. It looks like the Michael Bennett from four
years ago. I mean he's been dominant up there. You know,
(26:21):
Fletcher Cox is going to do his thing. Brandon Graham.
They've got power rushers coming off the edge, so a
lot of times you'll see rush inside outs. You've got
power inside speed outside, so you push the pocket inside
and speed on the outside collapses that they do it
the opposite. They've got power out from the outside and
they got to speed inside and they've been getting home
awesome stuff. Look, I look forward to us seeing you
(26:42):
Saturday night. I may actually you get a texted me.
I mean a couple of passes. Believe it or not.
Charger games Sedley really hard to get tickets. The hot
ticket man, it's unblown. It's unbelievable. Like I I said
a text like, hey, can I get Can I get four?
Maybe six for Saturday night? They're like, dude, I gotta
ask for a favor to get you too. I was like, what,
(27:03):
Like I used to I used to be used to
be able to walk up. People would pay you to
go in and see the Chargers because they don't want
to it is it is the hot ticket. I may
be standing next to you while you're calling the game
with Matt money Smith DJ. Thanks so much for joining us.
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(27:23):
Fascinated to to uh to talk about this Aaron Rodgers topic.
You know, what do you do with Aaron Rodgers? Do
you play in the last two games this season when
you're playing out the string and what good can really
really happen? Joe Philbin said, in in the general sense,
my philosophy as football players are paid played to play
football games, and football coaches are paid to coach football games,
(27:45):
so obviously you have to go out there through the week.
We would never put out any player that wasn't physically
ready to go. But that's my general philosophy and overall
philosophy with it's Aaron Rodgers anybody else with the Green
Bay Packers were a football team and we're in the
business of winning football games. We all want our players
who are healthy to contribute to the overall success of
the team. What do you do? What do you do? Look,
(28:09):
I've said this before about bowl games. I don't like
the idea of not playing in bowl games. One just
because you're lying. You're like, well, I need to get
ready for the draft. You need to go lift weights,
work out, or you could You don't even have to
play the whole game. Some of these guys, they just
draw attention to themselves. You don't have to play. Just
(28:30):
show up and don't play on practice with you, or hey, coach,
I just want to play the first quarter and can
I get out if it really is a meaningless game
to you? Or yeah, tell your coach, coach, I would
prefer to not as soon as we're playing, well, if
we get a lead, I'd like to come out. Most
of those guys actually want to play. They have agents
telling them somehow they might get hurt. And the truth
is that though you can get hurt playing football, you
can also get hurt working out. But the football thing
(28:54):
is interesting because the Packers nunlike anybody else. They could
use some draft picks, couldn't they. And the only guy
you can't get hurt in that organization is Aaron Rodgers's
making more money than god. Contract kicks in again next year.
They're five and eight on the season. Is it worth
trying to finish seven eight and one? We have the
(29:14):
sound of what Aaron Rodgers said. Aaron Rodgers said, Hey, look,
you know Brett Farve played out the string here. Basically
it was I remember being behind Brett Farve and late
in the season people thought I might get in and
there wasn't anything anything about get I wasn't getting in.
Why because BETD five played football every Sunday for the Packers.
(29:35):
The culture of every place is different. And I think
it's important for Aaron Rodgers to end this season with
a couple of wins. That means you have to play
the whole time, but seven eight and one and finishing
off in a high note. These are their bowl games,
That's what it is. And bowl games are important, like no,
(29:58):
they're not, Yes they are. When the n I T
winning the c I T, winning a couple of games
in your conference tournament, they're important. It lost Aaron Jones.
He's out with an m c L. He's out for
the rest of the rest of the season. You're gonna
throw de Sean Kaiser out there. You can throw out
there in the fourth quarter if you have big lead
against the Jets. Maybe in the second half, but Aaron Rodgers,
(30:18):
your quarterback,
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