Black Monday, Steelers' Karma, Michael Lombardi

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this is what we're doing. You're on that count What
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Good morning Rob Parker alongside, I'm Doug gottlie We're in
for Dan and the dan Nettes. Happy New Year. You
can you can still say Marry Christmas. You can a year.
I always say at this point, once Christmas is over,
I just say happy holidays and happy New Yeah, keep fine,
you know what I mean? Listen, I am so excited,

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like I don't I don't know if you had other plans.
And you and I are together, uh today and tomorrow,
and then t Jshvenzade is gonna be with me on
Wednesday and New Year's Day. I don't think I'm on
with you tomorrow. I got somebody else. You're not here tomorrow,
Oh my bad. Two Jason's out is tomorrow? Is he
Wednesday as well? Am I buy myself Wednesday? I really

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don't have no idea, It doesn't matter. My point is
that I actually I was in Portland for a couple
of days. We have really close family friends are in Portland,
and uh, you know, like I'm leaving my family for
New Year's Day, so you know, so I can work.
They're gonna be up there for a couple of days
and come down and people like, what are you doing?
Why are you? I was like, well, I want to

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have to work, and to I could work with Rob Parker,
and I don't think that was the And three I
thought we're just gonna talk weeks seventeen in Nation Football Like,
which we'll get to which gets us ready for the playoffs,
which I'm excited about. In addition to the collapse of
the Vikings yesterday at home, in addition to Baker Mayfield

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by Twitter's account, throwing the greatest three interception game in
the history of the Nation Football League. But that that
it's like Baker's one of those guys that no matter
what he does, do you know what I mean, it'll
turn at some point, I'm right, But but he's just
one of those guys that they don't care what he
does like it does. He could he could throw four
interceptions and they'll still say, oh, he's great. That He's

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just one of those guys. The Eagles the one of
the hottest teams in football, making making the playoffs my
team to return. I picked them before the season that
they will go to the super Bowl again. Of course,
they had another quarterback get hurt yesterday. You got the
Steelers not making the playoffs. We gotta get into that.
You know, I love every minute of that because I
think there's some carmer that goes with the Steelers with

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the Dallas Cowboys, uh not playing zeke Um and not playing.
You know, Zack Martin didn't play Cup, others didn't play,
but they did play Dak Prescott and they did win
a one point game against the New York Giants. Like
I'm Seattle surviving Arizona, of course, which which sets up
this match up with Dallas. We had a lot to

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get to. We get the Chargers winning their twelfth game,
their rewards travel on the road take on the Ravens
who just beat them, and then overnight, Miami's head coach
Mark Rick retires. They hire uh Manny Diaz, who left
two weeks ago to take the Temple head coaching. I
don't know U c l A and basketball fire Steve Alford.

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I mean it isn't. Oh wait, Mike Mayock of the
NFL Network is now the general manager of the Oakland Raiders.
And of all the moves, that's probably the least shocking one.
Is that another TV guys joining a TV guy. Uh yeah,
there's a there's a there's no I know, I'm not
saying that they don't know anything about. No, there's a

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difference there with John Gruden was a football I don't know,
he won a Super Bowl. I I get it, But
Mike Mayock has never spent one minute in a front
office and the last time they did that, and I've
seen it up close when I was worked in Detroit
is when they hired Matt Millan. Matt Millan who won
four Super Bowls as a player. People have a lot
of respect for him and could talk the game better

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than anybody. But Doug, you would have to agree, probably
the worst general manager of history of sports eight and
a half. No, I don't think he's the worst general manager.
Can I give you one thing of his resume and
a half year too many wide receivers. But here it
is two separate twenty four game losing streaks on on

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the road, two separate during his tenure. Yeah, I mean
the Indianapolis Colts had a pretty bad one who traded
a first round picture Trent Richardson. They became the number
four pick. I mean that was There's been plenty bad ones. Um,
I do think this is different. I think this is
maybe a little close to John Lynch, who of course
was a TV guy who's now the general manager of
the SAPs. Maybe he made a mistake when he gave

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all that money to a quarterback after seven games it's possible. Um,
he comes I think everything and any success if you're
a talented person comes down to are you put in
a position to succeed? Like, do I want him running
the whole franchise? No, he's not going to Jon Gruden is.
He's gonna hire other people. But the thing that Mike
Mayock does do a great job of his or at

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least he is a talent evaluator. But that and he
does know, he does know every player. And look, they're
gonna have a ton of draft picks and you need
a guy who knows a ton about every guy in
the upcoming NFL draft because they are draft heavy. And
to some extent, this is Jon Gruden saying, Hey, I
need somebody who knows a bunch about this. I just

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don't that that I thought was and I'm not bashing
Matt Millan, but I think that's what Matt Millan was
good at evaluating players once they were in the NFL.
Do you know what I mean When he was talking
about players and people love that, But he didn't have
the background for the college stuff. And I'll give you
the perfect example. When he was the general manager of

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the Lion. He never went to a Michigan football game.
His opening broadcast of doing college football, he goes, Wow,
this is a great place, the Big House talking he
had never been there. That's amazing. Is that not amazing?
It's amazing. He had never been amazing and a half
years as Lions gm um on. One of the great

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treats that I don't know if you've ever done this,
that I've I've gotten a chance to do is go
to a to go to a college game with an
NFL GM over, the NFL personnel guy and sit there
and watch and watch what they're watching for and what
they're looking for, and how they're evaluating and what they're
totally different from what we're looking from, complete completely different. Uh,
he's Rob Parker, I'm Doug got them. This is the
Dan Patrick Show here on Fox Sports Radio. You know

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what I want to start with the Pittsburgh Steelers. They're
not in the playoffs. The Ravens. It did look last
night Baker Mayfield got the ball back and for a
second there, with a couple of incredible throws, for a
second there it felt like, are the Ravens really going
to lose at home again and be out of the playoffs?

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Is this gonna happen. Last year it was the Bengals
keeping them out of the playoffs. Is it gonna be
the Browns this year they keep out of Plus it
did look that way. Instead, there's that picture of the
Pittsburgh Steelers on a knee at their stadium after disposing
of the Bengals and come from behind fashion watching the
Browns and Baker Mayfield throw a late interception as they

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should have called time out. They knew the blitz was
coming on fourth down anyway. Uh, point is they watched
the Browns lose to the Ravens. The Ravens beat the
the Cleveland Browns and go to the playoffs. You think
it's karma? Y? I just think the way that they
went about the whole thing. A lot of the players
beaten up on Levan bell. I think he's I think

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he's the winner in Pittsburgh. Not only did he he
didn't play was in a part of this match. Remember
Pittsburgh was seven to and one to start the year
and didn't make the playoffs. Uh I thought that. Uh
he also didn't want to be he he had four
hudd touches the year before, so he's being used a lot.

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They didn't want to pay him. So he's true, no,
but they didn't want to give him what he thought
he was worth. Fine, they didn't want to pay him
what what he thought he was worth, But that doesn't
mean they didn't want to pay They didn't pay him
what he what he thought his worth was. So my
point is his only the only thing he could do
the way that it's set up is to sit out,
and then they find a loop, and then they find

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a loophole. Yesterday, I'm saying for him, no, what he
there's that he could have several if one, he could
have signed any of the offers that they put, but
he didn't want to. He could have done he could
have done a franchise tech and made fourteen million dollars gearing,
but he didn't want to do that. Again, he wanted
to get paid. Okay, so if you want, then he
could have signed at mid season and still made six
million dollars and still played and by now been healthy

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and ready to help the team. He didn't look. My
thing in Pittsburgh is I don't think you're totally wrong.
I don't think you're totally off base. I'm not gonna
sit here and do the debate thing where you're either
right or you're wrong. Yeah, I do think there are
topics will debate that you're not wrong. That he said
I'm worth X and they said he's worth why and
he put footing the ground is a game of chicken,
and nobody blinked. I think there's no winners here. Are

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the only winners James Conner, who's gonna get paid out
of it and played at a at a level far
above his salary. But other than that, there's no winners.
If they had we would both agree. If they had
Levian Bell, they would have been in the playoffs. They
would have won one of those kids. I mean, the
truth is like, look, Levian Bell didn't really keep out
of the playoffs. No, no, no, I'm not saying I'm
not saying that, you know, laying down against the Denver

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the loss of the Denver Broncos, the loss to the
UH the loss to the Oakland Raiders, two teams you
cannot lose. To lose to those two teams probably playoffs, right, right.
And my only thing is on Leban I just thought
it was bad carm Or by some of his teammates. Doug.
One thing. I think there's two things you don't talk
about with another man, hey, is his money and his health.

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I just don't think you have a place to talk
about what a guy wants to do for his family
and his personal you you even even if you don't
agree with But they didn't talk about his money. That
wasn't the point. No, what they they turned on him
because it's pretty obvious he told them one thing and
they did something else. But there must have been a
change though, And also they have you ever seen that

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in professional sports? Sports? Three years? I've never you've been
for a long time. Have you ever in your life
seen a team offensive players not have the back of
another offensive player who's in a contract? People, you've ever
seen that? That tells you all you need to know about, lady.

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But but that's not that's not karma. Okay, His karma
is going to be what happens to him from this
point forward, what kind of money he gets. He's going
to get a big deal. I'm gonna predict right here,
right here, now, right here, right here, right now, and
then I'm gonna say, no, no way, it's gonna be
either the Colts are gonna come up with a boatload
of money or the Jets, New York Jetropolitans. Have you

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have you have you watched the Colts play football year?
But they have money to spend. I'm just not gonna
waste money like this idea. They're like, Oh, the Colts
have money, they have a second round pick who's a
really good running back. They're the hottest team in the
a f C. Why the hell dould they want Levian Bell? Like,
that's not that's like, that's that's not their their philosophy.

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It doesn't work. I'm just they got Marlon Mack who
rushed for nine eight yards. Is it great? No? No No, no,
it's not great. But it could put you to to
take a player like that because he's not just a rusher.
He can also catch from the back. He's he's a multifaceted,
multi purpose player. I'm denying. I would take Leviian Bell.
And if you're the Jet, take you got Sam Donald,

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you got a young quarterback. Would that take some pressure
off of them? Yes? But they also need an offensive line,
they also need they need defense, they need Daisy, they
need a coach, which brings us to what's up coming next? Okay,
up coming next, which is today is Black Monday. Why Monday.
Thank you, it's white Monday. Happy black coach did get fired,

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and it's actually black black Monday because it's been more
right black coaches. Well, we only seen one black coach
get fired, right right, Dirk Unterph nex Joseph's next, by
the way, and we have this is a crazy black Monday.
Usually usually you come in, you sit in for Dan Patrick.
He's smart. He takes those boys take days off when

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there's nothing to talk about. There's one or two top stuff.
We got some Lebron Lebron calling himself the greatest of
all time and when he knew he was the greatest
of all time. We'll have to get to that. Uh,
your your belief in the Patriots. The Chargers add a
Pro Bowl level player who hasn't played all season, Like
that's like tenth in the stories. We got a metric

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ton to get to. But but up coming next it
is white or black Monday. I don't care what color Monday. Everybody,
there's gonna be massive pink slips in the National Football Lake.
But who actually deserves to go with Rob Parker. I'm
Doug gotlie will tell you Next to the Dan Patrick Show,

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Doug Gottlieb and Rob Parker in for Dan the Dan Nettes. Alright,
so Ian Rappaport, the rap sheet has breaking news Dan Dan,
Dan Dan. Do we have the Dan Patrick breaking news
sound or do we have that? We don't have that.
You gotta admit. When you hear that and you're just
watching TV or whatever or the radio, listen to the radio,

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it does get your attention. It does like something's going on. Wait, Anut,
I gotta pay attention. It does. It's it's very effective. Um,
it's very very effective. Um. Okay, So breaking news that
Steve Wilkes is gonna be fired by the Arizona car.
I told you it's black black Monday. I'm just saying
it is, no, no, no, But we've had black Monday

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where all the white coaches got fired as well because
there were no black coach, which is going, which is
which is gonna cause a lot of people to be
up in arms because there's been a paucity of black
coaches for a long time and now finally there have
because um and because if Marvin Lewis gets fired, which
I don't know, Todd Bulls, well, Marvin Lewis is one
of those guys like Damn, He's kept his job this long, like,

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which is crazy. I'm crazy, but I think Marvin Lewis
probably stays employed. Mike Tomlins not getting fired is you know,
not making the playoffs. I think they had a disappointing season.
But it's the Pittsburgh Steelers. They're not fired. They don't
fire coaches. They have three coaches what for the last
sixty years or whatever. Of course, Anthony Lynn is doing
quite well. Um and who else? Uh No, but you're

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gonna have which you would probably be unprecedented, maybe three
or four black coaches fired in one day because there's
not that many, so that's a big number. Would you
do with that? Yes, Yes, Dirk Cutter has been fired,
you know, keeping it, you know, keeping it true to
our word, like we're gonna reported white coaches are fired
a right. Um, we discussed Marvin Lewis a little bit. Uh.

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And Todd Bowles has been fired for the New York Jets.
So I mean, I look, I think the Bulls thing,
that thing was four years. Do I think any one
could have won with that roster? Probably not. Um, we'll
see what Mike mccatman does. No one argues, I don't
think that is the Wilkes one is the one, and
and Vance Joseph probably gets fired with the Denver Broncos. Right, right,

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that's what I'm saying. But but and Wilkson and Joseph
would have a beef because you say, hey, Wolks only
been has only been one year, the one Joseph Man
Josephs has only been two years. Yeah, but the one
year is the one. Usually unless someone they really believe
he's totally in over his head. I've seen it before.
Do you remember when Ray Rhodes and he went over
his head because he's a really great defensive coordinator. But

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remember you got maybe we'll be fired, but maybe is
in over his head as head coach. Remember when he
got fired one year in Green Bay. I think they
went eight and eight, they didn't make the playoffs, and
Ray Rhodes got fired after one year. I do remember that.
What does happen? It's not inconceivable. Yeah, look, that's it's
the in the history of the NFL. We'll see if
Mike Zimmer gets fired today. There's a guy who let's

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let's go there with the Minnesota Vikings. Did you watch
that debuckle? Terrible, terrible alright. So look, I I spent
a little bit of time last week, not when I
was on with you, when I hosted for Colin Cowherd,
explaining that Kirk Cousins, if anything, is actually underpaid, not overpaid.
And the logic behind it is who else on the

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market was available? Who else is available? Who you got?
I mean it was case Keenum A J. Mccaren, Teddy Bridgewater,
who was awful yesterday. By the way, the legend of
Teddy Bridgewater is so much better than the player Teddy Bridgewater.
But that's always the case. People always think that the
guy not playing is the better guy. Look, you can't

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wait to get so and so in there. Give him
a chance. Well, I tell people all the time, there's
a reason that guys are backups, and there's a reason
they have practice, they go through all that, they know
what's going on. Let's not there's there's a guy sitting
on the sideline who's better than the guy starting. But
the coaches don't know it today, really not know it.
They know it right well, like not just that, but

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the rest of the league or the Minnesota Vikings allowed
him to walk out the door. After coming back from
that devastating knee injury, like two years later from the
devastating knee injury in right, so um so he went
from he was a super hot commodity whatever so like. Look,
because there is nobody else available and because the Jets
had so much money and they were willing to spend

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it on Kirk Cousins, that was what the going ray was.
So but what I what I think what I think
they have now, there's what I think the Vikings have.
Now they have a house where somebody overpaid for when
the market spiked, and you know what you have to do.
You just gotta ride it out. You got you gotta
ride it out. You're gonna have to fix the offensive line,

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you got to make the defense better, which it wasn't
as good as it was the year before. But you
got to establish a running game. And you're just gonna
have to ride that sucker out. If you've ever overpaid
for a house like look, you can't cut bait now,
you just can't. Your pot committed pod minute, No no, no,
But I have to ride out the market. Gonna have
to write it out for at least another year and

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try and figure out if you can make it work
with Kirk Cousins in spite of the fact he's what
four and against about five and there you go. That
was the number I was gonna and one in six
this year that was his record. So I get what
they thought, Well, up, we got this great defense, will
upgrade the quarterback, and we'll be in the super Bowl
this year, right, I get it. It made sense on paper,

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but maybe they also needed but there wasn't another guy
out there. That's the whole thing. Like everyone like, well
you should have who could you know? I understand that
you're gonna go get like people, well, you should have
drafted Lamar Jackson? What and run the option? Now you
have two elite wide receivers. No, the Lamar Jackson thing,
it's great and it might work for a game or
two in the playoffs or whatever. Eventually, I like, look,

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he's running the ball fifteen sixteen times a game. He's
gonna get hurt. He's inaccurate as a thrower underneath stuff like,
it's gonna be an issue getting wide receivers to play there,
Like there are issues heading forward, But for the Vikings,
the way they're constructed. When you have two talented wide
receivers in the talented tight end. You gotta get somebody
who throws the football. And they hired an offensive coordinator
who had never called place before and and you know,

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you know he was in Cleveland before, but he didn't
call plays. I don't believe in Cleveland. That didn't seem
to work. He didn't jibe with Mike Zimmer. That set
them back. Um, but here's my here's my argument, and
my question to you is do you value guys winning
like like you could have all the numbers you want.
And I talked about it all the time with Matthew

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Stafford with the lines when I watched from his very
first day, you know, first game ever in the NFL.
And now it's a decade he's been in Detroit and
people look at his numbers. He's got Hall of Fame numbers.
He's like the youngest to do everything because he's been around.
He throws a lot, He throws the ball a lot right,
puts up a lot of numbers. I got a name
for him, stat Padford because a lot of the yards

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come after the lines through out of the game, right
and touchdown. And he has one of those records. He's
like five uh six and fifties something you know, went
against teams that finished over. So I'm saying to you,
when you look at a quarterback through just pure numbers
and what he's putting up, does that matter? Or who
he's beating and putting those numbers up, does that matter?

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Because if that's the case, you would look at Kirk
Cousins said, yeah, he wanted Washington, he put up these
he put up these numbers in Washington, but he didn't
beat anybody. Does that matter? I think it is a
mix there. I think you have to have balance to say, like, look,
you have to have the balance to say, no one
wins a football game by it. I get that. But
there were times though dug In, Yes, a star quarterback

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has to just find a way, okay. And then you
know what. The Lions had a playoff game against Dallas.
There was a bad call referee, okay, And people always go,
that's why Stafford didn't win his game because he got
job by the referees. And here's my argument back to
them was Stafford got the ball back with two and
a half minutes to go and to time out, so
he had that moment. There was that moment that despite

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everything that happened in that game and the referee and
the penalty and all that, he still had a chance
where if you're going to be that guy, sometimes you
can make that happen. And that's what I'm just saying,
is that your time you're gonna look at the I understood,
like I I fully understand because of your incredible knowledge
of the Detroit Lions you're pointing out. But the problem is,

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tell me another Lion quarterback who has been as good
as Matt Stafford can? Do you have anybody? Um? Isn't one? No,
but but that's but that shouldn't be. But that's not
the basis to determine whether or not he's good or not. No,
but but here, but that's done. Hear me out, Let
me finish. Okay, The point is I I hear you on, Hey,
maybe Matt Stafford isn't worth all that money. But the

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problem is you put yourself in that quarterback purgatory. You
start searching for quarterbacks and that's a scary place to be.
I mean, the Dolphins, how many years have they looked
for a guy that's even close to Dan Marina? I
get it? How many years? I get it? How many
years have we look for the Buffalo Bills to try
and find a guy that anywhere near what Jim Kelly is.
And so when you got a guy, you're like, look,

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Matt's effort great, No, but he shows up to work
every day. He's good enough to win with and that
part is stable and this is what you pay quarterbacks.
But you also not the thought of the Vikings who
the Vikings thought they had a young quarterback under contract.
It was more of a game manager. That's what they
did with Teddy Bridgewater, and they were gonna build around him.
Then he gets hurt. Then they had to go and
reach and overpay to get Sam Bradford. Okay, then Sam Bradford, Um,

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they don't have an offensive line. So Sam Bradford comes
back his second year and he plays one great game
and then his body just lets down and now they're
just like they're scrambling. And they did the best they
could with case Keenum, who started the year as their
third quarterback. Right. So the point is that sometimes just
being stable and being able to throw for four thousand yards,

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albeit four thousands massively inflated from what four thousand was
when we were killing or even five ten years ago.
I'm not saying they're great. I'm saying that if you've
ever you've ever been a Jacksonville Jaguar fan, if you've
been a Dolphin fan, even one of these fans that
that have subpar quarterback play, you would kill for Matt Stafford.
You would kill for Kirk Cousins. I know, even if

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Cousins stunk up to joint yesterday. But it's only but
it's fraudulent and I get it because there's so few quarterbacks.
But ultimately, you're still not gonna get to where you
want to go, Like Matt Stafford is not going to
win you You want to win a Super Bowl of
your alliance fan, right, You're not. It's not just about
treading water going eight and eight every year and he
puts up some numbers and you feel good about yourself

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after a decade. I understand it. It's the same thing
with Kirk Cousins. If you're a Vikings fan this morning,
you're mad dog, You're mad as hell that they went
out and you do look at the money. I know
people do it. I under I understand what you're mad, Like,
what how in the world do we give this guy
all this money? And in the biggest game of the year.

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He's a no show. There's and and there's no escaping it.
There's no there's no bowl game to make you make
you feel you feel good. No, there's no bowl game
to make you feel good. Speaking of bowl games, Okay,
lost in the craziness of week seventeen, which we will cover,
lost in the craziness of last night with uh Mark

(25:12):
Rick retiring and Manny Diaz getting the job, Steve Alford
getting fired. Uh I don't know if you heard, like
all these firings in the in the National Football League
and Mike Mayock of NFL Network fame now becoming the
general manager of the Oakland Raiders. Saturday, we were supposed
to have this unbelievable final for college football playoff and
we got to complete snooze fest. But Vegas was right.

(25:37):
Both games were what double digits, right, right? I mean
in Vegas didn't think any any of those games they're
gonna be the line. The line that got closer actually
end up being the bigger blowout, right the you know,
after the suspensions, the Clemson line shrunk to like eleven
and Notre Dame was never in the game Oklahoma, although

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they did they covered the spread Oklahoma down four touchdowns
to start the game. All right, so here's what I
wanted to get to. Upcoming next for the third time
in four years. Oh we're not okay, So third for
the third time in four years Clemson Alabama? Um, do
you believe this is good? Like? Look, we had Calves

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and Warriors in the NBA four years for for four years,
and usually in professional sports, that's a good thing. You
build a rivalry, you build familiarity, and familiarity builds contempt.
Do you believe this is good for for college football?
I don't believe it's good for college football because once
again it's just the same uh to uh usual suspects.

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And I'll tell you one before we get there. But
the the NBA one you saw it, Doug was non competitive, right.
The Warriors won eight of the nine NBA finals game
the last two years. The ratings last year were bad
only because people have seen it already. It's not it's
not a real rivalry competition if one team dominates the other.

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Now in this case, I just think for the same
for here we go. We got this new way of
coming up with the the national champion, right with the
playoff and all and still it's the same two schools. Now,
if if you're uh, Clemson right fans or you're Alabama fans,
you love it right. I don't know if the rest
of college football loves this. I don't think it comes

(27:28):
down to the rest of college football. Look, in order
to break through, in order to get you know, Martha
on the couch to watch you a week from tonight
Monday night, right, you have to get the mainstream sports fan.
And this is no fault to college football. But the
West Coast doesn't care. Why why you're writing off the

(27:48):
whole West Coast. We don't care. No, Look I do,
I care well, I watch, sure, but I'm not the
target demo. Right, Like, I'm an avid sports fan. I
love college your love my my son's super into the
Clemson thing. I went to. I went to a Clemson
game this year. I love it. I love every part
of it, and I'm fascinated to watch these two teams
go at it. I think I think, I think we

(28:09):
end up making a mistake on the Heisman Trophy. As
as dynamic as Kyler Murray is to it to buy
Loga was the better quarterback and actually had the better season,
just didn't have as many snaps and wasn't needed as much.
He didn't have the value. But it's to the the
awards to the best college football player. And I think
two is actually a better college fooball player. But regardless, um,
I I don't think it's good because like, look, it's

(28:31):
become NASCAR, it's become a Southeastern sport just his. I mean,
it's why would anybody put people in Ohio watch avid
college fotball fans to watch but not with the same fandom,
and it regionalized the sport, and it's that's just it's
it's almost like when the Yankees and the Mets were

(28:51):
in the World Series and people in New York were like,
this is gonna be great, this is gonna be huge,
and it was a complete done in terms of national ratings.
That do you get what Comps tobaum, who are without
any question, the two best teams in college football. They
earn the right to be there. They have they have
proven beyond a reasonable doubt that we don't we might
not actually always need four teams in the college football Playoff.
We just can't eliminate those two games. Well, it's just

(29:12):
amazing to everybody's clamoring for eight and we didn't even
have four really good teams that were worthy, right, So
how could you expand it to aid? I'm just I
looked at that and thought, here's your reason why you
shouldn't expand it anymore. Yeah, well, because what you do
when you expand it, it's it's people think it's more fair.
More doesn't more than always. There isn't always more, less
is more. People think it's more fair. But you know what,

(29:35):
you gotta wake up. Maybe you wake up the first
morning in two thousand nineteen saying, you know, life's not fair. Yeah,
life's not fair. Life's not fair, and no one owes
me anything. Sorry, just because you win the back to
alf because you're undefeated in Central Florida life that don't
And then you look at Notre Dame undefeated and you
look at that and say, what should they have been there? Were? They?

(29:56):
Were they worthy? Probably? I mean this on the record,
because they didn't lose. But yeah, I mean, like, look,
I've said it all along. I thought Georgia was one
of the four best teams. And they yes, they lost
two games, including one at l s u UM. You
know the problem is that this is what we do
with undefeated teams. You know, I was I was the

(30:16):
one who was criticized when which to State went undefeated,
and I was like, look, they're not a one seed,
Like you're crazy, they should be a one seas like
why they hadn't beaten anybody good? And they don't play
the dynamic team's time and again like you do in
the A c C and in the Big twelve in
other leagues. It doesn't mean you can't beat those teams
in a one off game, but it's can you beat
those teams and then beat another team like two nights later,

(30:38):
and then beat another team three nights later. But so
I I don't get as fascinated by undefeated records as
other people do, but but voters do. And it's really
hard for for a team like not The problem Notre
Dame is how many big Bowl games we're gonna put
them in when they get you know, when they get
embarrassed before we start to look at them with a
completely different discerning eye. But the whole thing is when

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Notre Dame is what they got a huge fan base,
and they travel, they go together, yes, but so does Texas.
See what I'm saying that no question, no question, But
I don't think they got in because they're notre Dame
wanted defeated. Think and and look on any other year.
You beat Florida State, you beat Virginia Tech in the road,

(31:20):
you beat usc you beat Michigan, you beat Stanford, you're good,
and you go undefeated, You're gonna get in. This was
just a weird year where all those teams outside of
Michigan collectively stunk. It was amazing. I don't know. Both
games were just not not really worthy at the time
of the watch, and frankly, Florida blowing out Michigan was
for Epic four shadowing. It was maybe the most maybe

(31:41):
the more interesting ones was Michigan, who had four defensive
players who didn't want to play the ball game right.
Maybe that was the more interesting storyline coming out of it.
But a completely like Saturday, I can't really find a
topic to talk about on a Monday after college football's
for two biggest games on Saturday. That's crazy because there's
nothing came out of it. I know, it's amazing and

(32:03):
the Michigan thing and Jim Harba real quick, did anything
change there? I mean a lot of Michigan fans were
bothered that that again they got dropped. You know, they
lost a big game the Ohio State and now they
lost the ball game. But does that does that make
you know? It was rumors not at the Jets of
fire Bowls, that they were gonna make a push for

(32:23):
him our bar. I don't think, I mean you don't.
You don't think he'll he'll make a move or whatever. Stay, No,
I think he's I mean, look, I think I look
outside looking in. Do I think they need to have
their offense evolve some? Sure? I also think that one
of the things they're guilty of is their offense is
built to win the Big Ten, and then you get
outside the Big ten and you need to have you
need to have a little something else, Like even even

(32:44):
even Alabama has evolved their offense because what Alabama used
to do is what Michigan is doing now. But look,
if you if you take an actual breath and go like, look,
they won ten games. Jay Patterson's coming back. They're they're
not They may not be recruiting as well as they
were when he first got there. I think they're fine.
Here's here's the other one to win the Big Ten
next year? Better, better, happen next year. But here it is, Doug.
Here's the other part. Now, if you do win the

(33:07):
Big Ten, right, do you really do you get any
credit because urban Meyer's not there? Or just or what
if you don't win and you lose to Ohio State
with what's his name day the new coach. How would
that look to Jim Harbor? If say, okay, Urban Miers
not there and you still lose to Ohiouse State, Like
it's almost a like a lose lose. I mean, I

(33:29):
guess it's a lose lose because if you win, you
should win. Urber Meyer's not there. Yeah, you still got
Penn State. No, I'm just you still have Michigan State.
You know who you dropped this year? You beat Penn
State this year. You gotta beat Ohiose State. Gotta win
the Big Ten. Then you gotta win a national then
he got then he gotta compete nationally. Like I think
it's I'll tell you what what we saw in college

(33:50):
football and how we're discussing college football. To me points
out something about yesterday's NFL games. Several teams played players
in meaningless games or what we call meaningless games. I'll
tell you why I think they did it and I'll
share it with you with Rob Parker, I'm Doug Golly.
That's coming up next to the Dan Patrick Show. It's

(34:19):
the Damn Patrick Show on Fox Sports Radio. Rob Parker,
Doug Gottlie filling in for Dan and the Dan Nettes.
Happy New Year's Eve and uh so much going on. Yeah,
there's a time going on. It's it's like you say,
normally on the holidays is kind of tempered. But with
the college football playoffs the NFL, especially that game last

(34:43):
night the Colts and the Titans, that was a playoff
game basically because the team that won gets to the playoff.
How crazy is it? Andrew Luck is eleven and oh
against the Titans? Unbelievable? Were you? Were you a Luck
denier before the season. I wasn't sure whether he was
gonna be able to bounce back. I don't know, I
maybe maybe bounce back is not not the fair point,
you know what I mean? Well, when he signed his contract, No,

(35:04):
I liked him from day one. There are there there
are some, There were some. There have been Luck doubters
when the Colts moved away from him, for you know,
with the for Peyton Manning, you know what I mean.
I was like, I get good way from Peyton for him. Yeah,
you know what I mean. Yes, I was all in.
I said, no, that was the right move to make.
A lot of people are like, you can't do that
to Peyton Manning. Look at just they just people who
have said like, well, you know, he was the this

(35:26):
incredible prospect, and what has he really done? Like look
when healthy he wins? He had double digit wins, right,
double did you wins per year? And they just won
nine out of ten and to make the playoffs and
and this is like to your Kirk Cousins point. And
I know that that that team has been rebuilt with
their offensive line, their defense is good, Marlon Max's solid
running back. Whatever. But of those wins, there's some good wins.

(35:49):
That they went on the road to beat the Texans.
They went on the road to beat the Colts to
win their division, you know, and they didn't win their division.
They would have won their division had they simply decided
to punt on their own forty three yard line. That
was way back early in the year when they lost
the Texans. And Frank Wright, I know, you know, like
the macho of uh coaching thing is like I do
that ten out of ten times. You don't ever sure

(36:09):
you would do no. Just at the time, by the way,
it was, that was the first guest, am alright, it's
not a second guest. Where you go, what are you doing?
Take the tie? Do not? You don't want a loss?
Why would you do that? And that's what they did.
But you know what, they bounced back from a one
in six star or one in five start and look
where they are. So so yesterday we saw some teams

(36:32):
play players. The Chargers had to know that the Chiefs
we're gonna blow out the Raiders, and that thing was
over pretty quick. And yet Philip Rivers Austin Neckler got
back in. Um. I think that's gonna be a fascinating game,
as Hunter Henry is is a full go now for
the for the Chargers who tours a c L in
the off seasons, they get back their their starting tight end,

(36:53):
us they're gonna take on the Baltimore Ravens. But they
played their guys down the stretch Dak Prescott in the
game late in the four cool or late touchdown pass.
They end up winning the game at Giant Stadium. And
you do get from people, and these are meaningless games.
And for the record, the Cowboys won nothing by winning
that game. For the record, the Chargers won nothing by

(37:14):
winning that game. And you could go throughout the NFL,
and there's a couple of other teams, but this it
reminds me of the bowl game, where bowl games are
said to be meaningless by a lot of people who
aren't playing in the bowl games. Ending your season on
a win or ending your season on a loss does
mean something. And you know whether it's I love to
see the stats on that, you know what I mean?

(37:36):
Like I don't because I'm not so sure. I don't
disagree with you, like having a good feeling and winning
is a good thing. It's never a bad never a
bad thing. But I'm not so sure if you're not
the better team, whether you want a loss, what whether
that means you're gonna win? Do you know what I mean?
The playoff game? Yeah? No, I is there a correlation? No,

(37:58):
I don't think. But now we don't have this year
the undefeated team that do you rest rest or rust? Right?
But for the for the Chargers, for example, I do
think it's a It was a big thing because they
had been beaten and hadn't played well against the Ravens
the week before, and by winning the game, you win
twelve games essentially tie for your division. Like considering they're

(38:21):
the Chargers, and when any of us who picked the
Chargers to win the division to start the year, we're
laughed at because they the Chargers, and then they get
off to a one and two start. I think it's different.
I do think you go for it when you're the Cowboys.
You've got a chance to win your tenth game, and
to win a game, and Dac played really well going
into the Seahawks game. I do think that means something.

(38:41):
I don't know if there's a statistic, there's a stat
um that that that that proves that to be true,
but I do think it means something. I do think. Now, look,
there's a point where you can get guys out of
a game, and it's always dicey did I did? I
wait too long? But I think winning a football game
to end off your season, and it's it's really hard,

(39:03):
Like it's got to be really really hard to to
not to not think for for these teams who are
playing for draft position, to not think like, hey, you know,
if we don't lose this game, like the Arizona Cardinals
didn't call time out with the Seahawks in field goal
range after a Josh Rosen fumble late in that game,
and it felt like the edict was from on high,
like let him kick this field goal, let's say that

(39:24):
draft position, shall we exactly? And you know what, I'm
not mad at them. I'm not mad at them because
they need help. I just want to give Shannon Sharp
a shout out. I know Anthony Lens a former teammate
of his, so they're friendly friends. But he picked the
Chargers to go to the super Bowl before the season.
I don't think many people picked him, actually did did you?
So you're another one? Well, well, Gavin, you're the biggest

(39:47):
charge of fan and going well. I I actually am
a Charger fan, but I'm also a charge of realist.
I just look, they have the makings of almost everything
you need to have a to have a super Bowl team.
You got too great, Russia, You're two gods. I didn't
know you did it too. There's been plenty of the
actually this year they were kind of they're kind of
uh they they I mean, like, who else are you

(40:09):
gonna pick? You're gonna pick the Steelers. Maybe the Patriots
was just lame, like, well, well the Patriots just the easy, right,
And I don't think anybody picked the Chiefs to be
this good. When you switch quarterbacks, my thought on the
Chiefs would be that there would be some high highs
and there'd be some low lows. They really haven't been
that many lows, at least with Patrick. But but but
but they didn't beat any of the good quarterback other

(40:29):
teams quarterbacks, which is the thing, because the right they'd
be the Charges that did happen in my lifetime. That
happened this year. It's the first game of the year. Yeah,
but I'm talking about who did they lost? They lost
lost four games. They lost to the Chargers, they lost
to the lost of the Rams lost to Brady and
who was the other quarterback they lost to four They

(40:52):
lost two lost of the Patriots as the rams um
they lost to uh pat It's rams Um and they
also the Charges in Seahawks and Russell Wilson. That's what
I was thinking. But they the Ravens are supposedly the
hottest team in the a f C. They beat them
and uh and then they did to beat the Steelers

(41:14):
to start the year. No, no, no, no, no, let
me tell you something. They started thirty eight forty two,
thirty eight seven thirty thirty seven, twenty six, fifty one,
thirty one, thirty five. But they're two wins to me,
the back to back where they came from double digits

(41:36):
and they won in in Pittsburgh and in Kansas City.
That that's when I have the Chargers. Yeah, that's when
I said to me that when I was like, the
Charges are a real deal. I don't even know how.
And they had not and they didn't have Melvin Gordon,
and they didn't have Keenan Allen for half of the
Chiefs game, and they didn't have Austin Ekeler in the
Chiefs game, and they didn't have like it's really didn't

(41:57):
have Boasta for the first half of the year, which
is incredible. Tom Glesco has done amazing job put together
really really good roster. Of course he was part of
that indie group back when Peyton Manning was there with
Bill Pollian. So that's that's that's that's part of why
you know, it's it's it's about the players that they have,
but it's also right but also The thing I love
about Anthony Lenny started Owen four last year's first year

(42:21):
last right, but you know what I mean? Where was
Teter and your first year coach? People could turn on
you and go, this guy doesn't know what he's doing
now and he's dead, dude, solid is the day's now?
Look and and and part of the reason they played
their guys last year is part of the reason, like
cause for he didn't give a guy's days off in
in training camp, Like he's a hey, you're gonna be
an everyday guy. And his message has run true. They're

(42:43):
one of the stories in the NFL. All right, Look,
we got a time to get to. Man, We've been
all over the place, But that's because sports is all
over the place, isn't it. Oh yeah, here's gonna do
upcoming next? We do as the NFL to get to.
But Lebron James says he knows when he was the
greatest player of all time? Oh is that right? When
was that moment? And are we cool with Lebron saying

(43:04):
he's the greatest player of all time? That's up coming
next to Rob Parker. I'm dog got Like this is
the Dan Patrick Show, The Dan Patrick show twelve years
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I want you to be better. Listen to more Dan
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(43:27):
I want you to grow. Maybe listening while working out
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(44:15):
this is what we're doing. You're on that count What
do you think the countdown was for? Somebody has to
explain this to me. You are You probably thought it
was New Year's theme. No, that was to let you
know when you're on the air. So let's try it again.
Here's Doug Gottlieb and here's Rob Parker. You'll fight it.
You'll fight you. You'll fight it. You'll fight it, you'll

(44:35):
fight it. You're fired. I'm feeling like I gotta be
careful here. Am I gonna have a job at the
end of this show? You know it is black black Monday.
I'm calling it that dog because Marvin Luis even got fired.
Is that true? Lets got fired, Adam Gates has been fired.

(44:56):
Everybody's been fired. You'll fight, You'll fight, you FI fans, josephid,
Marv and Lewis fired, Todd Bowles, Todd Bowles fired. Uh,
Dirt Cutter fired as well, Dir Cutter five. Steve Wilkes
fired or Steve Wilks we think is gonna be fired.
He informed, well, he told he told his staff he's

(45:17):
gonna get fired. But he's got a meeting right right
as we speak, right now seven o'clock. It was that
sep Pacific, seven Pacific time. Yet so right now seven
old two, he's probably in there and they're saying thanks
for everything. But no one got kicking though, right, that
has not happened that as no one got no no
one was on the team plan. They took him off
the team plane or took him off the team bus

(45:38):
from the team plane and kicking him, right, that has
not happened to anybody. That's that's that's one of the
all timers. I can remember when me and my partner
got fired in Detroit and we had worked there stationed
for a while, and the boss called up, called me
up and said, hey, can you come in early today
before the show? Coming a little early? Like like, I've

(46:02):
been working there eight years, never asked me to come
in early. Why would I come in earlier other than
to do my shift? And so I called my partner.
I said, they gotta fire us today, and he's like,
what are you talking about? You know, like, what are
you crazy? What do you what do you mean? I
said exactly, And I said, dude, did not ask you
this coming early? Coming early for what? Prepare for your show?

(46:22):
I don't know. Now we prepare every day for eight years,
you know what I mean? Like, and then I said,
so when they closed the door, so I said, I said, well,
I'm in New York. I was actually doing Stephen a show,
so I was already in New York and I was
gonna I was off, So I said, I can't come
in them in New York. You could just tell me.
I said, are we getting fired? And he goes, well,

(46:43):
i'll call you back. We'll talk later, call me back.
They fired us. So I'm just did they call you
and fire you? And like, did they not tell you
they can just fire your partner. They fired my partner
in person and then called me and told me like
they wanted I guess they want to do it, gonna
go in another direction. Uh what was it? What was it?
What was the term that they used? No, it was

(47:03):
you know what that station took on the Tigers and
Red Wings. I wur show was seven to eleven pm
Eastern exactly, So they're not gonna pay us what they
were paying us for us to work only when there
was an off game, you know what I mean, when
there was no game. So so basically we got replaced
by the Tigers and Red Wings. You were, but they

(47:23):
didn't They didn't have another time slot for it. They
don't reassign you. Nope, that was It doesn't feel good,
I'm sure. No, Um, all right, what was your worst firing.
I've never been I've been cut before. I've never been
fired from a job. Oh no, no, no, no. I mean, like, look,
if they don't renew your contract, you're fired. But it's

(47:45):
not the same like I never not had I never
not had a contract, nude, you know, like when Koku
stuff like that. When I know when I when I
left ESPN and I had a five year deal I
turned down, and I didn't. We didn't. I didn't actually
negotiate with CB asked. We were just like, hey, we're good,
we're out. But there was some there was a a
part of what I was doing that I had lost

(48:06):
that I wasn't able to do anymore. When you were
doing the college basketball, I was doing college basketball. I
was doing four and for the first two years, and
I didn't do it after that. And it was like
a conversation I had with somebody who didn't hire me,
who was a little bit lower down the food chain
that I would have cared for right like thirty minutes
before I went over to do another basketball game, which

(48:27):
like so two and a half hours before I didn't
in a basketball game. Um, so there's never a good
time like I actually, you know, but that wasn't that's
not technically hitting fired like I didn't live. I know
what you I know what you're saying. Look, the most
painful cut I ever had, whatever cut, was when I
I was in the c b A. So I get
done playing Oakland State and I'm supposed to play overseas.

(48:47):
I'm supposed to have an Israeli passport. I don't get
the passport, I come back and I'm playing in the
c B A and I'm going Rory White was my
coach and UM and Ryan Gates had coached me in
the A league called the usb L really good. So
UM and the usb L when I played, had a

(49:07):
bunch of NBA players or former NBA players or borderline
NBA players in it. So Brian Gates had been my coach,
he was the assistant coach there and he's like, dude,
we need a point guard in Idaho. So I go
to Idaho to to sign with the Stampede. Did they
pay you in money or potatoes? Um, they didn't pay
me at all because I didn't make it through. I
made through camp, but never to a first game. So
we had thirteen guys, thirteen point guards when I first

(49:30):
got there, and by the end I was one of
the last two standing. And we used to every day.
We'd go from the hotel to the gym to practice,
and we get the Idaho Statesman and we'd open it up.
We turned to the transaction page and there'd be the
guys that got cut in the NBA from their respective teams, like, oh,
he's gonna go overseas. Oh, he's gonna go to the CBA,

(49:51):
take somebody's job. He's gonna go overseas. And I remember
reading a name in there, Randy Livingston, and you said,
Randy Lewis is gonna take somebody job. Took your job.
Wait wait so so so now there's two point guards left,
and there's got any Aubrey Reeves fro Murray State who
was injured. So me and Darren Mclinton were the two
point guards buying for the starting point position. We have

(50:13):
an open scrimmage. I played great. I'm playing really good basketball.
I I've adjusted about the pro game. And we go
to take the team picture. This is two days day
before the first game or two days for the first game,
and the assistant coach pulls me over beside Brian Gates.
He's like, hey, my girlfriend's coming from Oklahoma. I had

(50:33):
been married. I got married out of college at the time.
Since that, we've been married for a couple months. Hey,
do you guys want to share you hall with us?
I'm like sure, I'll call my bet, I'll call my
my my wife, and we'll figure it out. And so
we take the team picture and then we're messing around.
We're doing interviews, and I looked down at the end
of the vomitorium. The vomitorium and basketball, for people don't know,
is the tunnel that leads you to the locker room, right,

(50:55):
and I see a bald headed six three six four dude,
and I was like, that's many. Did you know that
right then? When you saw him, did you slide like,
oh yeah, well I thought I was like sing a
ghost right Like I thought. I was like, maybe I'm
just seeing ghosts. And then all of a sudden he disappeared.
And so that night we go and play College of Southern.

(51:15):
I know it's a really good junior college program. Eddie
set In, my former head coach, actually started. So we
we go and play them in a scrimmage and I
go from like, I'm I thought I was fighting for
a starting point guard spot. Two. I don't take off
my sweats. I'm the only guy that doesn't play, and
I'm like, they don't getting cut And they didn't cut
me until the next day, like he calls me, I did,

(51:36):
but I would have I do wish I did not
go to that game because I felt like you're warming
up and then you're the only guy that doesn't play
You're like man anyway, So I guess I understand these
seven AM meetings, But part of me is like, you know, look,
you're just gonna fire me, fire me. Yeah, you don't
need to do all that like I could. The only
thing I would say is I remember once where a

(51:59):
guy I was do you have any questions? And I
was like, dude, there's no debate here. You made a decision,
right Once you've made a decision, this is your decision.
I'm not gonna try to convince you of anything. You've
made a decision and you just kind of lived with it.
But most people can't talk somebody out of fire. You
got right, you already got fired, and then today there's
been nothing but firing. But also the other story that
we wanted to get to with Lebron. Okay, so Lebron

(52:20):
James said, this is on his uh on, on his
own U the shop. No, this isn't the shop. This
is that more than is that? More that He's got
so many different shows, I gotta remember which one right
on more than an athlete and take a listen to
what Lebron James said about the three one comeback against

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the Gold and Stay Warriors, that one right there made
me the greatest player of all time. I was a
super super ecstatic the way one for Cleveland because of
the fifty two year drought, Like I was ecstatic, like obviously, Stu.
The first wave of emotion was y'all everyone saw me
crying like that was all two years everything in the
sports have gone on to Cleveland. And then after I stopped,

(53:05):
I was like, done, right there, made you the greatest
player of all time? No, everybody was just talking how
they were the greatest team of all time, like it
was the greatest team to ever assembled. And for us
to come back, you know, the way we came back
in that fashion, I was like, you did you did
something special. That's likely one of the only times in

(53:26):
my career I felt like like you did something special.
I haven't really had time to really like sit back
and think, but that that was a moment. Okay, so wow.
So here's here's the question. Are we are we cool
with Lebron saying that was the moment right there I
knew I was the greatest of all time. This is

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the part. And I know what we always get is
that if you're not all on board with Lebron James.
You're a hater because you're you got some something against him?
What do you have against him or whatever? Dude, it's
not your place to determine whether or not you're the greatest.
That's that's the biggest problem I have. It was that
a great moment. Doug absolutely Also, he also doesn't mention that,

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uh kau, I mean Kyrie Irving was the one who
made the big shot to seal the deal with the
Big three. But but forget about it, right, he had
There's no doubt it helped Draymond got suspended and then
Andrew Bogan got hurt. No, no doubt what they want, right,
We're not gonna poopoo he wanted. But but to really

(54:39):
say that, to sit there and put that out there,
that that's when you knew you were the greatest of
all time, I think says speaks volumes about Lebron James
and how he just doesn't get it, like he really,
he really really is misguided into thinking that that's when
that's really when he determined that he was the greatest,

(54:59):
not the other losses, Like he didn't bring up the
other six losses in the NBA finals or those moments
maybe were the times when he realized he wasn't the
greatest player of all time. But but that one chip
you picked, you singled out one championship. Well, I mean, like, listen,
and I get it, nobody had ever done it, not
just that, not just that. But his his point was,
and really, if you like they dig into it, it's

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out of respect for the Golden State Warriors that people
that that he was hearing the narrative of the greatest
team of all time because they had won seventy three games,
regardless of whether or not the Golden State that they
were actually down three games to one to the Oakland
City Thunder like that. I do think that the greatness
of the Warriors is massively misreported. I'm totally with you

(55:41):
on that. But but and this is really important. It
was an incredible achievement, and it's an incredibly arrogant statement.
And look, I think if you asked, if you asked Mike,
or if you asked Kobe, like I think, Kobe thinks
he's the greatest of all of thing Kobe. A matter
of fact, I don't think I know, but I have
Kobe Bryant has told me personally that he knows he

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could take Mike if his teams would play against Mike's
teams in the finals, because because because he believes in
full scale psychological warfare, and he knows Michael. He studied
Michael Jordan's and he believes he can get to Michael
Jordan's head. That's actually what he coped. Kobe Bryant believes
that he I can get into it Michael Jordan's Kobe
Bright I ever said publicly, I'm the greatest player. That's right,

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That's what. Have you ever heard Michael Jordan's ever, I
don't believe. So now I've been covering the Ambace seven dogs,
I don't believe. Never. Maybe somebody can say somebody has
sound or you could show me. This is one of
those deals where yeah, it's not and he won't get caught.
This is honestly, this feeds into what Kevin Durant is

(56:48):
talking about, where Kevin Durant talks about the fan boys
in the media and guys in the media won't call
him out for this, like what are you doing? Like
what what are you? What are you actually doing? Because
the next year the Warriors beat you, and Kevin Durant
was the guy you were guarding and he lit you
up in the second half of four of the five
games and big shot in your face. And so even

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if he's he's an amazing player, he's an amazing, a
great player. We know that the idea that that was
the moment I knew I was the greatest of all time.
That's a that's a wow moment. You gotta have up that.
There's no way you could zip your pants up? Are
you kidding? Dog? Really? He just said, what that Look,

(57:33):
I'm producing that show. I'm like, dude, that's gold. Make
sure that makes the final cut. That's amazing. It's amazing
that he said that. But I mean, like, look, this
is a guy who showed up to last two for
two games ago. He showed up with a with a
goblet of wine. And then last game, yes, last night,
when they beat the Kings, he shows up without them
and he's like, oh, I left in the car. Then

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he's on the bench cheering and he's drinking red wine.
Like I'm like, okay, I can't even I guess you
can get away with it, but should you get away?
Like and don't forget. He's also the guy who's on
the mic down in Miami when they put that team together, right,
was a knob two not three? I mean, this is

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the guy. And then they got the four finals. Yeah,
but they won two out of four. Was that team
special when you think back to it or were? They're
disappointing And don't forget Doug. If ray Allen doesn't hit
that shot, they're one in three and those four finals,
I mean, we don't, we know, we don't. We don't
know what happens in the last I'm just saying, well,

(58:36):
yeah final, we oh, we know. Was half the stadium
was out of the building because they if you remember,
they bought they were roping off getting ready for the
trophies situation. And the one thing that always stood out
to me again not a second guest, the first guest,
Tim Duncan, was on the sidelines on the free throw.
Remember on the I just thought to myself, when you

(58:58):
and then that's where they got the make faiths no, no, no,
just the idea that you don't have your your big
guy to to get a rebound in case it was
missed with rebounds. Well, I'm just saying that he won
in the game. I thought that was I mean, like,
the whole thing is crazy, how it happened. I don't know,
Like that's one of those that was a Ricky Henderson moment.

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Remember Ricky Henderson said the all time stolen base mark
and he said, I'm now I'm the greatest of all time. Right.
But like Ricky, we always like, well Ricky talks about
himself in the person Ricky is crazy. Ricky is a
good kind of crazy. But Ricky's crazy. How can we
don't look at Lebron like that? I don't know. I
find I find that to be surprising shocking to hear

(59:40):
that come out of his mouth. That's when I knew
I was the greatest. It is just and and now
you know why. Ah kay, we didn't want to be there.
I mean like, yes, right, it's just not and and
you just it's incredibly telling. This is this is all.
This is what you need to know, what you need
need to understand. Like and this is why it frankly

(01:00:02):
works with the young guys because the young guys are like,
he is the greatest of all because they they grew
up in they grew up where you can only watch
Jordan on YouTube, you know. With the older guys are
like I remember some of this other stuff, you know,
I don't. I don't know exactly, so especially other superstars,
it's really really hard. I think it's amazing what he said.

(01:00:24):
It's remarkable that he said it. And I don't know
how much it will resonate because of all this other
stuff which is going on in the sports rule today.
But there's a there's that that that new generation of fans.
And we know that the millennials, the only thing that
they worry about or are they buy into, was whatever
happened yesterday. They just like, like, we don't even have

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to except if Kevin Durant was the m v P
and then for whatever reason, Kevin Rant, they don't buy it,
and and right, and here's the other one is championships
aren't important unless Lebron James was six and old. If
Lebron James was six and old, they would they would
you is that? But because he's three and six, they
always say, well, what do you expect? He can't? He

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can't And look, and I don't know where you stand
on this thing. I'm not a Lebron hater, like you said.
If you don't say he's the greatest, somehow he became
a hater. I just can't believe that he actually said
that outlined with the microphone on, Like at that moment,
I knew I was the greatest of all time at
that moment. Okay, I'm just kind of stunned you said it.

(01:01:26):
But coming up next, man, there's a lot of firings today.
Greg Williams Um apparently that he's not going to get
the job, Joe Philbin, Todd Bowles, Dirt Cutter, Vance, Joseph
Adam Gates, Marvin Lewis, Come on down, you're all getting
pink slips. Marvin Lewis. I thought he'd never get fired.
That he has, he has, Your request has been granted.

(01:01:47):
It is, in fact, black and some white Monday, mostly black. Um,
there were seven black coaches coming into the two. Uh
yesterday in the NFL were down to two, and then
there were two and then both of those. We're in
the playoff. Doesn't mean that there won't be I'm just hired.
Do you think any will be high? Yeah, I'm sure
there will be, um, But yeah, I'm sorry, you're right,

(01:02:10):
Steelers are in the poff. Um. But coming up next,
you mentioned you mentioned the Steelers what we saw yesterday,
and there was a lot of it a lot of it.
You seem to think that the Steelers have suffered from karma?
What kind of karma? We'll discuss next on The Dan
Patrick Show. Doug gottleiban Rob Parker in for Dan of

(01:02:43):
the dan Nettes. This is the Dan Patrick's Show, Fox
Sports Radio. Happy New Year to you. I didn't even
know this was New Year's Eve, to be honestly, I
thought we were doing these shows next two days. I
thought New Year's Day was on Wednesday New Year's Day's
So are you they say New Year's Eve as amateur our?
Are you going out for amateur hour right now? I
don't have any plans if somebody, I gotta get up early.

(01:03:05):
I'm doing Undisputed tomorrow, skipping Shannon taking a rare day off.
So Chris Bousha, No, I think you're gonna do the
show tomorrow. That should be fun. So you know you
gotta get there at four am. So I mean where
where they? Do you stay up? Or do you go
to sleep? I'll go to sleep. I'll go to sleep early.
What time is early? Getting better? Around ten? I might
and then fall asleep Whenever I fall asleep, but I'll

(01:03:27):
be in bed at ten. I'll have a little champagne
after dinner, you know what I mean? You can you
can welcome into the New York That's one of the
good things about being West coast. You can do the
whole New York thing. You can watch that they're all
draft or whatever. Have you ever done the New York citything? Uh? No,
being from New York City, nobody I know has ever

(01:03:48):
done it. Do you know what I mean? You know? Yeah,
it's like that's that's for tourists. That's for people from
out of town, usually gonna stand there for eight hours,
not use the restroom. Be uncome bull about that seems appealing.
I don't. I don't. I give people credit, like I
would never do the Rose Parade because the Rose Parade,

(01:04:08):
you gotta get there and you sleep there the night before,
get there super early, and you're just watching a bunch
of floats go by. But at least you can move
around some and there's bands whatever, and I guess there's
performances Times Square with no bathrooms and preasing cold dug
That does not appeal to me. I don't understand these people.
But I don't know any of my friends, okay who

(01:04:29):
I grew up, None have gone to that. That's out
of talent thing. People you know, they get hotel rooms
in Times Square and it's like a once in a
lifetime trip or something, and they do it's, I guess
a bucket list thing. It's running with the bulls in Pamplona.
Also doesn't appeal to me. I am doing something that
you might think will probably be what's that I am?

(01:04:51):
And I think March or so going to Antarctica to
see the penguins in the whales. Are you seriously, Yes,
you're going to Antarctica. Yes, that's my trip that I'm
planning that. It hasn't been final but no, no, you
can't say you're going if there's no tickets. No, I'm
gonna buy it. I'm gonna buy after year. No, no, no,
after the New Year. Well because the holidays. I just

(01:05:14):
haven't sat down and really like finalized it. But I'm going.
You're definitely going. Definitely. You've ever done one of these
bucket list trips before? Yes, I've been all over the world.
This will give me my final continent. That's the reason
why I'm going. I've been all over the world. Best
continent you've previously visited Australia, Australia. Australia was awesome. What
was about what was awesome about it? Uh? They're more
lamb than more sheep there than people, so a lot,

(01:05:37):
you know, plenty of lamb. Did you walk the land?
Did you did you go and walk about? I went on,
I went all over man, I went to the capital
Camera and and and and uh since Sydney and Melbourne,
I mean, just just a beautiful place. Now, I didn't
go to the West Coast, Perth or whatnot. But I'm
gonna eventually make a second trip back. You're gonna go home,
you know, you go back. I'm gonna go back. But

(01:05:59):
maybe soon maybe maybe when they have debate shows in Australia,
you'll be over there. Yeah, you can bring it, you
can bring it in. I don't know about that. But
an article would you go if you want your last continent?
Or do you just find no interesting? No? I do
what I mean, like I guess, I just I got
a lot of other things I'd like to see. First,
we have it. We actually have an African African safari
that we we purchased at a at like an auction whatever.

(01:06:22):
And my wife's always want to do it now. I
actually don't know if my wife wants to take me.
She's like, I've always want to go in African safaris. Like, well,
who wouldn't, Like you don't want to go with me?
She's like, I don't know if I really want to go. Well,
maybe her mom, her best friend or something like that,
just because she has a like she has a fear
of us both going and not coming back and leaving.

(01:06:43):
You know that's happen when you got kids. I understand.
I do understand that thinking. But it is an interesting
conversation to have with your wife of eighteen years and
she's like, yeah, I want to go. Like, oh, so
we're going, Like I'm sure about the wee thing. You
should stay home with the kids. Yeah, just in case. Okay, um,
let's let's let's get to all things state of Pennsylvania football.

(01:07:05):
Let's start with the Eagles. It wasn't a surprise that
they went in and drubbed the Washington Redskins. The Redskins
were all kinds of bad, all kinds of banged up,
working on their fourth quarterback of the season, Their top
two quarterbacks and Broth both broken their legs. We don't
know if Alex Smith even play football again. So it's
not a surprise that they won. But they did become
the hottest team, uh in the NFC down the stretch,

(01:07:28):
and they did do it with a little bit of
Nate Sudfeld, but with a lot of Nick Foles. What's
your level of belief in the Eagles now heading in
the playoffs? I picked the Eagles to get back to
the Super Bowl. There was a different team with I'm know.
I'm just saying that was my pick that I think
that Nick Foles could come back into a repeat performance

(01:07:50):
and do what he did last year. Highly improbable. Improbable, Okay, highly,
but uh, I think they'll and they're first game, you know,
the first playoff game, they'll give a fighting chance. But
I don't expect they're going to Chicago taking on the Bears, right.
I expect the Bears have a really good defense, and
it's just about Mitch does Mitch Robinsky, uh, do what

(01:08:13):
he's supposed to and not turn the ball over and
make those big, you know mistakes. That's the only way
I could see Philadelphia winning that game if they were
given some opportunities. But I don't expect them to. Uh.
I thought that the the the Eagles would make the
comeback because Carson Wentz would have something to prove, you
know what I mean, them winning a Super Bowl. Remember,
if you remember last year, they were banged up, a

(01:08:35):
lot of guys were missing. They added a lot of
new pieces. I actually thought their their roster was better
than when they won the Super Bowl. So do I
expect him to win the Super Bowl get back to
the Super Bowl. No, But I'm not surprised that Nick
Foles is that Nick Foles is good enough. We've seen
that in short periods of time. Can he come in

(01:08:56):
and play well and win you some game? Jesse Ken,
I'm with you. And Folds, of course has Bruce Ribs,
he might not be able to go. We don't know
about Wentz, who was on the active roster but did
not come in when Folds went out with the bruise. Ribbs.
I think Win's plays, I just I do. I think
he's the one who ends up playing this weekend against Bears.

(01:09:16):
And I do think how quickly we forget that he
was the m v P of the league, likely before
he got hurt less. I'm with you, I think people,
and you know what, even though he didn't win it,
and he missed the last two and a half games.
Doug he had more touchdowns than Tom Brady and less interceptions,
and Brady won the m v P. I think people
totally forget that, and all they focus in on is

(01:09:37):
what Carson Wentz has always heard. He's wins in a lifetime.
He's the future of the Eagles. Guys need to get
off of that. And and Nick Foles when they have
given him the keys to the car every time when
it's hiss the drive, he crashes. Yes, now he's Ryan Fitzpatrick, yes,
without the beard, Yes, But I mean in terms of

(01:09:59):
as a player, right where if he comes in as
a backup or in a spot, he's awesome. He's got
nothing to lose. Is not his job. He's a great uncle, right,
he watches great uncle watches the kids, players of the kids.
Gotta be a parent. Who whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa? Right?
All right? What about the other side of the state.
Pittsburgh Steelers don't make the playoffs? You think it's karma.

(01:10:22):
I just think it's karma from this damn point. I
thought the way that they dealt with and I'm talking
about this is just you know the way the way
they dealt with Levan Bell, especially the players. And I
told you this before, Doug thirty three years in his business,
I never remember players like, especially in the league, where
guys get caught, they get hurt, they don't get paid.

(01:10:43):
We know organizations that don't pay teams. Right, we're big stars.
They put in these years and then the team said,
now we're not We're not signing you long term or
giving you that big contract. So what happens a lot
in that league? And yet the players like kind of
turned on him and talked about his busines. This I
hate to hear players talk about a guy whether or
not they're injured or not, because you don't know. I remember, uh,

(01:11:08):
Jay Cutler, You remember the year in the playoff game
he got hurt and people are at home on their
couch ripping him. They hated him, right, I understand, but no,
the players hated it. No, I got it. But what
other players are ripping a guy not knowing whether or
not he's injured or It's here's the point. I'm just
actually think Jay Cutler is the perfect parallel, which is
I don't actually care, I don't acessually care what other people.

(01:11:31):
What we in the media say about players, what players
say about players, to me matters more. And Jay Cutler
is a perfect example. The Bears had to take him
out of their locker room because he was so despised
by other players in that locker room. They did not
believe him, they did not like him. He had nothing
to do with talent and just had to do it that,
you know, as when a quarterback in the NFL, you

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gotta play for somebody. They weren't playing for him. But
that didn't stop him from getting another job in Miami.
And and this is myest because there was no what
are back available? And Ryan Tannell went down with an
A C L. No. But I'm saying that. But if
a guy was in that situation where you knew what
went on there, I'm just saying. Here's the other part
is you gotta be very careful if you let the

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problem is when players are involved, there's also uh, jealousy
and egos and all this stuff. And I'm just but
but but that generally doesn't come out right. It generally
doesn't come out. And the Levy on Bell thing, we
had never seen anything like that. I've been doing this
for sixteen years. You've been doing for thirty three years.
Neither of us have ever seen another offensive player. Uh

(01:12:38):
get you know, get criticized guys saying I'm done with
him when he's in a contract dispute. You know, the
rule in the NFL, don't talk about my women, don't
talk about my money a little talk about my family
or my religion, like off limits. And they did, and
they did so because something went bad between the offense
and Levan Bell. So I I get Do I think
that the Steelers make the playoffs of Lebyan Bell shows up? Yeah,

(01:13:01):
of course they're better football team. He's a great foolall
there's no doubt about it. People tried to act like
he like he didn't matter, And I think I think
that's what rubbed me the wrong way. What when there
was seven to win one and they were like, oh whatever,
you know, like, let's Lebian Bell And I just thought
to myself, Wow, the way that they had dismissed this
guy and what he had accomplished to that point in

(01:13:21):
the NFL. Whether you agree or disagree with how he's
handling it, dog, he's just just priced himself out of
the market. But he did he prised himself out of
the market. He wanted so much money that they weren't
willing to do it. They drew a hard was a
game of chicken, and the Steelers didn't blink. That's it.
And he could have signed a franchise tender at any
time this year and collected money collected year. I'm happy
for Leby on Bell today, and I'm not saying that

(01:13:43):
you're You're literally the only person who thinks he's a winner.
I would, yeah, but but but his team didn't make
the playoffs. He had a contract offer that uh, he
had the franchise tender that he could have signed and
made money, and he chose not to do so, and
that hurt his team and hurt him in the wallet.
I think they're I think they're both losers, to be honest.
Sometimes you know what, you gotta stand up for something,

(01:14:05):
and you know what, very few things are accomplished life,
know what I'm saying without a sacrifice, Without a sacrifice.
Sometimes you have to sacrifice to get something. Stupid. No,
it's not. It is absolutely stupid. Make that money back, No,
but yes it is. It is. Doesn't change anything that
it does, doesn't They found a loophole that's going to

(01:14:27):
allow him to be a free agent this year. That potentially,
So all I'm saying to you was he didn't make
any money. But but Kurt Flood lost his baseball career.
So you when you say that you didn't he didn't
give up anything that it's not going to change the collected.
It'll change what happened for him. Is that what he
did not allow the Pittsburgh Steelers to do. He's been idiot,

(01:14:49):
so he's not he No, he what he didn't allow
him to do was use him up, have him get hurt,
and then not pay him. He didn't. He didn't allow him. No,
he's going to get paid. He was going to get paid,
and he's going to get paid. I'm telling you he
did the right thing. Listen that there's this is money
that he'll never that's okay, it's okay, yes, it is.

(01:15:12):
It is that That argument is crazy. It's not crazy.
Gave his money. He should play for less money. You wouldn't.
He didn't change, should play for less money. Don't change
what I said. I said he would he a franchise tender,
Bliss fourteen million dollars per year. He didn't want to
sign that. He wants a contract. He wants to be
off the contract he turned okay, but again you said

(01:15:34):
he wasn't offering he want a contract he was offered along. Okay,
hold on, he wanted to be paid above that of
a running back and he was not offered above that.
Let me, okay, get hurt all the time. My point
is if he plays for that and takes it and
he gets hurt, because all right, he gets hurt. Yes,
don't tell me they're going to give him the long
term contract that he's looking for. He'll never get that.

(01:15:55):
And here's the other one in the NBA. Let me
ask the masses. Okay. So first thing is he was
offered a long term contract that he turned out two
times over to consecutives. But it wasn't okay, but again,
if the if the fear was injury, long term contract,
he turned it down. Two years now, he signed a
franchise tender. Played last year, signed a franchise wouldn't sign
a franchise tender this year would have been fourteen million.

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Is there a risk of injury? Yes, that's why that
that's the that's the give and take of the of
the franchise tender. Okay, but he could have had any
time this year up until the kind of the drop
dead date, signed a contract and made I think the
last one would have been six million dollars. That's six
million dollars you will never see again. Ever. That doesn't.

(01:16:37):
But that doesn't. I'm not like that. I'm not telling
you he's not Kurt Flood. His teammates are. There's a
reason that we have never seen teammates offensive lineman turn
on their own running back before. It's because they don't
think this guy is doing anything other than trying to
get a contract that he's never going to get. He

(01:16:58):
really will. He will it, and he didn't get it
in Pittsburgh. He will get a good contract. He's gonna
get a very good contract this coming off season. And
this is my only point. What very good contract he's
gonna get. Above that, he's gonna make back the fourteen
million dollars. It's not about making back. He's healthy and
he's going to get the contract that he wanted. And
you sit here, you could you could say, uh no,

(01:17:19):
I'm saying you can sit here and go, well, he's
going he will never get that fourteen millions if he
played last year and got hurt. He would have never
got he would have just got that and that would
have been running backs to get hurt all that hurt
all the time. And I know that Todd Gurley didn't
play yesterday or whatever, but um, and you know, guys
have why didn't he play? Why? Why? Why why did

(01:17:40):
he not? Why did he Todd Gurley not play so
he could save his ok because he's gonna play seventeen
afraid that maybe might get hurt too, right, he could
get hurt in a game like that, a meaningless game,
but potentially okay. And here's the other part. Isaiah Thomas
another perfect example. Isaiah Thomas was on the threshold, and
I'm talking about the new Isaiah Thomas, a threshold of

(01:18:02):
a hundred million dollar contract, rushed himself back to play
for the Celtics. Did anybody did the Celtics go, oh
my god, just such a gamer. We're gonna give you
a hundred million dollar contract. Anyway, That's actually not what happened.
But that's okay. But did he get did he get
the deal? He's playing? He wasn't gonna get a hundred
million He thinks he was gonna get a hundred million.
But now he has debilitating hip hip injury and he's

(01:18:22):
he so so as a teammate, would you be great
that he was a gamer, that he he rushed hisself
back to play for the team. Have you ever have
you heard anyone say anything negative about other people? In no?
I get that and it smith selfish? Did you hear selfish?
By the by they they just said they were done
with him. They were done with him. First of all,

(01:18:43):
this idea that glad they lost. I'm glad they didn't
make the playoffs. Okay, that's me. Here, here's what the
NFL people think. Chris Carson was the seventh round pick.
He rushed for a thousand yards? Good okay, Um, Philip
Lindsay was undrafted and he got hurt. Happens all the time?
He if it happens all the time. Why would somebody
spend a bunch of money on a guy who hasn't

(01:19:04):
played any year because he's a game changer. He's that
good and for people to discount him and poop, I
think good, But everybody has a value. There's a limit.
Like you're good, hey, but there's a limit. This is
like when you go in and you you you negelt
shave or something like, look, I'm as good I can
do any show that I look. I hear you, but

(01:19:24):
there's a limit to how much we're gonna pay you
based upon this time slot that happens in our business,
and it's happened to their business, and and the denying
of that. It say't Kurt Flood dude, He ain't holding
out to be a free agent. He was holding out
so he could, like you said, so he could get
a better contract. It was about him and him only.
And whatever he's told those offensive lineman, whatever he told
those guys about when he would be back and how

(01:19:46):
he would handle his business, he didn't and they were
done with him. Did not. And that's the carmra on
why they went home and they're not going to the playoffs.
I'm telling you, Krmer matters coming up, coming, up, coming
up next. Uh. We did see the Colts go in
to Indie, go into Indie, assume me sorry. The Colts

(01:20:07):
go into Tennessee. The Colts go into Tennessee and get
a big win. We we didn't see was Marcus Mariota.
Clay Travis spent an entire show crushing Mariota and the Titans.
Why he's completely lost in this thing? Next the Dan
Patrick Show, Doug got Leeman or Rob Parker in for

(01:20:38):
Dan and the Dan Nettes. Iowa Sam And that's funky
right there. So Rob Parker has likened bela Kurt Flood.
I believe at some point, my full argument is more
about the karma on how they treated at some at
some point, I believe Lebron James will become Muhammad Ali
stop Or is that is that Colin kaepernickill become a

(01:20:59):
hummad Colin Kaepernick? Might I think in he in in history? Uh,
the same way if you would have told me back
then during the Martin Um Muhammad Ali that he would
like to torch for the United States in the Olympics.
You wouldn't believe that, would you? Back then? The guy
I wasn't alive back then. But but but based upon
how how his how refusing to say he was a

(01:21:22):
draft dodger, just that's what he was. He wasn't. I
don't actually think he was. He was. I guess the
draft dodgers. He was actually by technical term of draft dodger,
because he was drafted. He refused, he refused to serve,
I meaning the draft dodger, somebody who went it went
to college, or did the Air National Guard, or did
the yeah, or did something had a bad big toe
or something or yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean basically our

(01:21:45):
our president just no. I mean, look, my dad would
tell you, like I he went to he went to
grad school. One of the reasons he went to grad
school Columbia was like, that was the Columbia too. Yeah,
I don't know your dad went to Columbia. He went
to host Columbia. Um. One of the reasons was like,
if you want to get drafted, drafted in the Korea,
my my, my dad was in the Korean War. Yeah,

(01:22:07):
he served, so so I mean, that's an amazing thing
for your service. But at that time it was viewed
completely differently. Right, So, but a draft wasn't a draft
dodge or somebody who got a doctor's note and didn't
get drafted. But he didn't want to go. He was religious, right.
But I'm just saying for him to watch to that,
to that, I don't think kaeperni I. You can put

(01:22:27):
me on record to think Kaepernick has not had that
type of impact. Not. The problem is that we haven't
heard from Kaepernick. Well we we don't know. We don't
know where to what I'm saying, But I mean it's
been a couple like he had. He had a lot
of positive momentum and it felt like things were getting
done and he was being heard or people were being heard,
and then it completely fallen off the face there. Now

(01:22:48):
it's only when quarterbacks get hurt, like man called Kaepernick
is better than him. That's that's all. That's what we
get to. Yeah, I think that they'll be bigger. You
think it'll be bigger. Okay, we'll get to the best
coaching jobs available in the NFL. I think it's pretty
obvious to the biggest one who the biggest one is. Um,
we'll get to that at the top of the hour.
Michael Lombardi will join us next hour as well. The

(01:23:10):
news of the day. Man, there's so much news today.
We haven't even kind of caught up with. UM. I
didn't want to talk about Marcus Mariotta, but maybe we'll
postpone that because I wanted your opinion on something which
we haven't talked about. Mike Mayock of NFL Network fame
is now the general manager of the Oakland Raiders. Does

(01:23:32):
it work? It doesn't work? I saw it firsthand, and
I also think it's a slap in the face too.
All the guys who are trying to work their way
up through the ranks being an executive and looking for
an opportunity as a GM, and guys who have the
microphone and or television seem to get the quicker, you know,

(01:23:52):
because people hear them talk about the game and talk
about players. So these guys are jumping over guys who
are in the trenches and doing all the work. I
don't I don't know Mike Mayock. I don't have anything
against him. I saw it in Detroit with Matt Millan.
Matt Millan got that job without any previous experience in
the front office. He was absolutely horrendous as GM. I

(01:24:16):
still think Matt Millan is the worst general manager in
the history of sports, and that's just from what I witness.
Do you think he was the author of the understand
that Do you think that he has autonomous control that
Mayak will have autonomous control of the Raiders? No? Will
he have finals say with the Raiders. Okay, so it's

(01:24:39):
a completely different So why not go higher a young
guy who's worked his way up, because he's not going
to be there. In fairness, Mike Mayock has worked his way.
He's never worked in the front office, has worked his
way up in television, has worked worked his way onto
the set at the NFL drafts. Like do do I

(01:25:00):
think that's the same as being a scout. I don't,
But one, I'm not sure how many guys would have
taken the general manager job considering you're not really the
general manager with it. Well, there's a lot of guys
looking for an opportunity and maybe they can break through.
All I'm saying is I just have an issue with
guys who they change the rules and just determined that

(01:25:21):
you don't need to have a certain experience to good way.
You can't. You can't. I mean, I'll just I'll just
tell you personally, you know, like I've interviewed for college
basketball coach and jobs, never coaching college you know, like,
if there's somebody who's seen more and has a deeper
built philosophical beliefs in college basketball than I have had
to see it, So you haven't convinced anybody yet to

(01:25:42):
hire I haven't. Steve Steve Kursy to work at didn't
he as a head coach. He never coached before, but
also Luke Walton coached that team didn't want every game.
Come on, man, you don't that coach and say that.
I'm just telling you that that with that squad, however,
it wasn't a good coach at Eilish Day. Just telling
you I think you could cop to Warrior. I don't

(01:26:02):
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(01:27:08):
Doug rob Hello, this is what we're doing. You're on
that count What do you think the countdown was for?
Somebody has to explain this to me. Are you probably
thought it was New Year's theme. No, that was to
let you know when you're on the air. So let's
try it again. Here's Doug Gottlieb and here's Rob. Doug Gottlieb,
Rob Parker and for daad Nets, Happy New Year. TA.

(01:27:31):
We will be the first, we will be the last,
but we want to be the best way to wish
you a happy New Year. I hope you enjoyed. The
NFL regular season playoffs are set, we will react. Michael Lombardi,
former general manager in the nash Football League, will join us.
He's done a lot of TV, but he's also done
a lot of the grunt work. What does he think
about Mike Mayock got to talk to him, But I

(01:27:53):
I also think, and look, this is continuing a conversation
last how if you're just joining us Mike Mayock NFL
Network is now the general manager of the Raiders. It
should be pointed out that it's that it's not a
job that dudes were lining up to get, even though
they want an opportunity, Because I thought is that Gruden
makes all the decisions, and if you're successful, Gruden's gonna
get all the credit, right, So I actually think it's

(01:28:16):
got a good chance of working because they got a
ton they got five first round picks, and Mayok does
though I don't look many of his opinions have been
wrong ones in covering the NFL draft. Plenty of guys
have had wrong opinions covering the NFL draft, by the way,
plenty of general managers, even good ones. John Elway, look
at all the decisions he's making. He's swung a missile

(01:28:37):
on quarterbacks. I get it. It's not a perfect science,
it's not math so so. But the point is, like,
here's a guy who loves loves studying the personnel around football, professional, collegian, whatever.
Now he'll talk you to death, and I'm sure he,
like everybody in the business, thinks their opinion is beyond reproach,

(01:29:01):
above that of anybody else. And there will be challenges
they're working with Cruden, But I'm not I'm not so
arrogant to think that it can't work, because if he's
put in the right position to succeed, Hey find me
some guys in six and seventh round, undrafted, guys like
Philip Lindsay that can make play. That's not even the
issue of whether or not. If you really feel strongly

(01:29:21):
and you want to do that, but but it it
it's a slap in the face of the people who
are looking for opportunities to work their way up, and
you tell them, while we can't hire you off the streets,
you gotta go do this, do that, and have a resume.
That's all I'm saying. Everybody's not on television to get
those opportunities the way that. Uh Matt Miller. Okay, but

(01:29:43):
mel was a great play. I actually think this is
an incredible I completely He was a a marginal player
in the NFL, play a little bit in Canada, right
to make it to that becoming an analyst in the
NFL net because he really know what you've gotta be
really good. I understand that. But that doesn't mean you
know what to do with player. So now, and I
get it, I get it. Gruden is going to run

(01:30:03):
most of the stuff that But that doesn't mean that
there wasn't somebody else out there. You know, there's a
guy's Mike may I took a pay cut to take
this job, you know. So, so does that that would
that change your opinion? No, not at all, because I
just think that I don't believe I think you can't
keep moving the line for people. There should be some
sort of experience. Otherwise, everybody can just hire their brother. Okay,

(01:30:29):
I know, but I'm just saying I'm using that argument.
Then I can just hire my brother. I I talked
to my brother all the time. I'm gonna tell you that.
I'm gonna tell you the truth here about basketball. Guys
the same about what it is. What it is, they
they hire who they know and whatnot something somewhat No. No,
there are guys that do sports on TV and there

(01:30:51):
are guys that are a part of the sport on TV.
It's just a difference to it. There's a difference to it,
and everybody knows that everybody in the sport knows who
those guys are. That they have a completely different view
approach where you could watch them and go like, hey,
you can put that guy in charge and you'll be
fine because he knows exactly what's going on. He's really studied,

(01:31:13):
he's listened, he's he's really done his job. You don't
have to, by the way, you don't have to do
that to be good at TV. You just don't know.
But but you don't have to. You don't have to
study that much like he just names numbers. You can
have a guy who helps you out in terms of
giving you some tips. I know plenty of guys who
have done drafts, who have done NBA games, who have

(01:31:33):
done collegian games, who have done NFL games that they
preps some and they're great on air. There are other
guys that walk into a building and watch tape with
coaches walking and go and watch practice. They're all about
the sport. And then you combine the fact that he
played the sports, so he has some sense of knowledge.
Like look, Gruden saying like I respect your knowledge of personnel.

(01:31:55):
I think that's a pretty big I think that's a
huge thing for a guy who's seen by by you
and by others as just a TV guy. Yeah, but
my only problem is that the example I'm giving you
and and again John Lynch is not a good example. Well,
I don't know. He just signed a quarterback after seven games,
and I know he got hurt, but they didn't even
when you went to sign Jimmy Garoppolo, he no, I

(01:32:16):
would not after seven games. I think I think I
need more body of work before I make that kind
of commitment. That was part of the deal. Though that
part of why you trade. Why would you trade for
him and then start him and then win better if
you didn't know. All he's saying is I need to
see more. This is the way I look at it,
and on the only reason that I pushed back on
is because I watched Matt Millan from day one. I'm

(01:32:38):
not trying to pile on Matt Millan. Matt Millan, uh
was a great was a great football player, one four
Super Bowl. I get all the other resume and stuff,
but he didn't spend one minute in the in the
front office before the Lions decided. I got this guy
who talked football really well. If you're running the team. Again,
if if you hired Mike Mayock first and he was

(01:33:03):
running a team, and then he's gonna hire all these
other guys, that's one thing. If all he's gonna do
is player personnel, evaluate guys, pro guys, college guys. We
gotta get better players, and he's gonna and he's going
to do all the research and provide all the data
and some opinion to John Gruden. That's a completely different job,
one that he's as prepared or more prepared for than

(01:33:24):
anybody possible. Any of those other guys that are that
are assistant general manager or whatever. And there's some really
good ones, Like I know a couple that i'm that
I'm friendly with that would have been good one. Not
sure they would have woned the job to. Not sure
they have the relationship with gruten and three like the
their frame of reference is the places that they've worked,
whereas Mike Mayock's frame of references all covering all the teams,

(01:33:45):
covering the entire draft in this Senior Bowl, understand the
entire landscape, which I think is more powerful. But you're
you're it's like you're telling me, ay, Clyde Drexer was
a disaster as a coach because he had never coached before,
and so anybody who's never coached before would be a
just ester. I can go through pat Riley was never
a coach before he before he was a coach, and
he was. He's one of the greatest coach in the

(01:34:05):
history of the end. Yeah, but but you're also talking
about the difference in when you mentioned those guys they
all coach for great teams. You take that guy and
you put them on some bad team with no talent,
and don't tell me that Steve Kerr would have the
same success if he was if he was coaching what's
the worst team in the NBA now, the Hawks. I'm

(01:34:26):
not saying that he doesn't I'm not saying that he
doesn't know basketball or you can't coach at all. But
I'm talking about the success rate and what when you
talk about the same thing when Larry Bird went there,
but he also had Rick Carlisle and Dick Harder who
were doing a lot of the coaching when when he was,
which is actually which is actually a brilliant I'm not
knocking in No, No, that's that actually makes my point

(01:34:47):
for me. Okay? Is that why why was Larry Bird
away better coach than Isaiah Thomas was because Larry Bird
surrounded himself with people who knew what he didn't know. No,
I agree, you should do that. So with with On
Gruden and the Raiders, he is surrounding himself people who
know what he doesn't know. And by the way, so
is Mike Mayock. They could have somebody else be the

(01:35:09):
cap guy. That was somebody else negotiate contracts. Mike Mayock
what he's gonna do is evaluate players. That's what he
loves to do. That's what he has made his career
on and so again I don't know if it works,
but simply dismissing it because he hasn't been part of
the front office. Dude, I can tell you Mike Mayock
knows every roster cold. That doesn't mean that doesn't mean

(01:35:29):
that he knows what he's doing as a general manager.
It doesn't mean that he's he's a true general manager.
So but I don't I don't know. And the idea
that he hasn't done it before, Like you could go,
you could go through a list of guys all I'm
saying after that have great resumes that you're like, dude,
how did this guy get the job? Boy? He worked
for this guy, work for that guy, work for that guy.

(01:35:49):
Steve Kim? Why did the Cardinals fire Steve Kime today?
He had a sparkling resume. He came out the Carolina
Panthers organization. Uh, everybody loved him, and the the the
Arizona Cardinals obviously thought he's got no idea what he's doing.
That's the only reason you get fired after one year
because he has no personal there's no personal baggage there, right,

(01:36:10):
So if he gets fired today, that's the Arizona Cardinals
going like this guy, this guy is in over his
head and he had a sparkling resume. No, but I'm
not saying that just because you have a good resume,
everybody's going to succeed. It's just like the coaches that
talk about sleeping in their office, and if everybody was
all committed and watched hours and hours of tape, everybody
doesn't win. You have bad franchises and coaches that don't win.

(01:36:32):
You know why, Doug, Because you don't have the players,
so you could be invested and you could do all
the right things. So I get all that. All I'm
saying is that at some point, everybody's not on that
level to get jobs. Okay, that's all I'm gonna I'm
gonna say. I'm outsider, I'm I have I have a friend. Okay,

(01:36:52):
who's in Who's Who's with the Chicago Bears. Rob Parker
dug got leaving for Dan the Dance Who's with the
Chicago Bears. And he spent an entire dinner with me
convincing me that. And and there's a certain point to it.
Remember who they drafted two years ago in the NFL draft.
They traded up to get Do you remember who that was.

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That's Mitch Drabinsky, who went number ten overall in that draft,
Pat Mahomes, who was probably gonna be the m v P. Now,
who would you rather have? Pat Mahomes or Mitchell Robinsky?
H Mahomes Okay, they they they viewed my Homes and
they said, hey, Mahomes higher ceiling, lower floor. And they

(01:37:35):
also thought, we're gonna have to play our guy in
the first year, and they wanted a red shirt that
Mahomes they felt like had to be red shirt, had
to have a solid veteran around him, whereas Robinsky they
end up playing far earlier because remember they had Mike
Glenn and it was just it was just a kind
of a placeholder. They felt like Rabinsky has a ton
of potential, but is more solid. They didn't he didn't

(01:37:58):
have the missed meetings at Carolina. He only played one
year at Carolina, where as Mahomes, like, look in truth,
that's why Baker Mayfield didn't go back there, That's why
Davis Webb ended up transferring out. Because they all knew
that Pat Mahomes had ridiculous talent um. And so the
point was that here's a guy who I think is
a really good personnel guy. And if you look at
the Bears and how they've turned over that roster, you

(01:38:20):
can say, whatever they're doing in the personnel department, they've
done a really really good job. But they looked at
it and they evaluated both quarterbacks and they chose Mr. Robiski,
who's gotten in the playoffs, gotten the number three seed.
But I think most people would contend Pat Mahomes is
a better quarterback a better town. Would he be better
in that system having gone through John Fox? For you,
I don't know, because he'd have a defense that doesn't

(01:38:42):
give up every game? Or would John Fox still be
the coach there? Would he get to play with with
the weapons that they have in Kansas City. The point
is that, like and and he's a guy that I
would say, like, man, man, I we went through personnel
through a bunch of different teams, Like man, that's a
guy I would consider hiring. But his point of reference

(01:39:02):
was the places that he's been or as you may, like,
I texted with some some front office people and they're like, look,
if he's trying to run the team as a he's way,
he'll be way over his head because the job of
the general manager is way more than just picking players,
but it comes down to evaluating players. He's got a
good a shot at anybody. If you worked really hard
him evaluator, they should have named him player or evaluator.

(01:39:24):
All right, here's what we're gonna do. Michael Lombardi is
gonna be our guest stop coming next. We'll ask we'll
give our thoughts on what the best job available is
and we'll ask Michael what the best head coaching job.
There's like a quarter of the NFL their jobs are open.
One fourth of the of the jobs in the league

(01:39:44):
are open. We'll ask Michael Lombardi what the best job is.
Does he think the Raiders work and and um who
he believes is has the best draw to make it
to the super Bowl. We get to that next with
Rob Parker Round, Doug Gotlin, This Dan Patrick Show, Doug
Gottleibron Parker in for Dana The Dants is The Dan

(01:40:05):
Patrick Show. Michael Lombardi, former general manager in the NFL.
You can download his podcast and the Ringer GM Street
or check out his book which is a really really
good one. Uh. He'll he'll join us in a moment.
Let me ask you, rob a bunch of jobs open
the NFL. Okay, Um, the Browns job is open. The
Dolphins job is open, the Cardinals job is open, the

(01:40:28):
Bengals job is open, the Jets job is open, the
Packers job is open. I know I'm forgetting one or
two because there's so many jobs open. You can have
one your pick of jobs in the NFL. Which one
would be? It would be green Bay because because he
had the best player. Because the best player, right, just
just if you're gonna be a coach and you give

(01:40:50):
me that guy thinking he's gonna bounce back and he
got hurt and gave week one. I'm not making excuses.
He had an off year, right for his standards, I
still would take that. I think it's pretty powerful and
I would I generally tend to agree with you. The
only one b would be, honestly, the Jets. And I'll
tell you why. The no expectations look well are their

(01:41:14):
internal expectations. Sure, Um, this team imagine won of Super
Bowl since nineties sixty. No, but they've been to two
ANFC Championship games, like nobody even remembers that those were
very recent. Those are rix Ryan as as as their coach.
They have a ton of cap space ton and they
have some draft picks and they got the quarterback. So
I agree with you with the one thing about going

(01:41:35):
to green Bay is they only hire green Bay guys,
and so you'd be kind of the just a weird
fit if you're not a green Bay guy, and everybody
else there is a green Bay guy, and they've always
kind of done things one way. And Brian Gooden consisted
of be his first big hire. But I do think
the Jets would be a would be a one pie.
Let's let's walk in Michael Lombardi, who I'm sure he's
had opportunities that will continue to have opportunities to get

(01:41:57):
back in to all the front off is that he's
been to and other front offices. He has too much experience.
Michael Lombardi joins us, Michael, what do you think the
best job available is? Uh, you know, I don't think
it's about who the player is. I think it's about
the owner, you know. I mean, look at the Packers
yesterday and I agree. Look, Aaron Rodgers is the greatest

(01:42:18):
player in the game. They lost once they lost him,
they lost thirty one to nothing. Look at them last year.
I mean, this talent base of Green Bay is not
very good. It's been depleted for a while because of
their lack of ability to really expand into free agency
and do different things. They've always been stuck and just
we're going to draft college players and signed college free
agents and that that has paid a price. But I

(01:42:40):
think it's really about the owner. I mean, you're gonna
you guys gonna laugh at me. I think the Cincinnati
Bengal job is a great job. I think Mike Brown
is is a really good, loyal person who understands football,
who understands it takes time to develop. He's not impulsive.
He lets you run your operation. I know it sounds crazy,
but I think Mike Brown is old school, but old

(01:43:02):
school is really good today. He's cheap though. Reputation, reputation
he does, he does, you know, but they sign that
they they sign their own players, and you know, I
think that that cheap label is when you know that
we didn't have a cap and you didn't have to
spend as much, but you can find ways to win

(01:43:23):
without money. Doesn't cure your problems, it really doesn't. Just
ask the Washington Redskins money doesn't cure anything. You need
a culture. You need to be able to establish something.
And I think if you could do it in Cincinnati
and he'll let you do it, I think it's a
great job. Now nobody's going to agree with that because
not many people know the inner workings of the NFL.
But let's just take Green Bay for example. I used

(01:43:44):
to kid out Datas all the time. I used to say,
you know, Mr be everybody wants to be like you.
They all want to have the power, but they want
to operate under behind the scenes. And he would Laska, kid,
they do they do? And and he and I was right.
I mean, like, let's take Green Bay. Mark Murphy's the
president of the team. Never in the history of the
Packers has the president been this much in charge of

(01:44:05):
the coach and hiring. He's always in Green Bay when
Bob Harlem was there, he gave that authority to the
general manager, and the general manager picked the coach. So
we know Murphy wants to be a little bit like
Al Davis, right. We know John Elway wants to be
all Davis. He wants to coach the team, but he
wants to not be in charge of coaching the deaf,
so we know that. So when you put yourself into

(01:44:26):
these situations, you run the risk of really not being
able to succeed. And I think that's why today one
third of the workforce in the NFL has been fired.
And yet we have the NFL has it has a
development program going on for coaches and executives. How's that
working out? Yes, it's really remarkable. Mike Mayock is the
general manager of the Raiders. You've worked on Gordon was

(01:44:47):
there before. What's your reaction to that hiring. I think
it's really a good hire in this sense. First of all,
when Reggie mackenzie was the GM, the GM title implies
a lot, right, but Reggie never did contracts. They have
Dan Venture Elliott, Commy Delane that managed the cap. They
do contract Ritzy was in charge of player personnel, evaluating
talent and picking the talent. Mike Mayock will come in

(01:45:08):
and won't have to worry about the cap. He won't
have to worry about anything that comes off the field.
All he has to do is take what he did
an NFL network and do the same thing for the
Raiders and apply that that technique to the Raiders team.
And I think it's a pretty good marriage. Paul Gunther
and Mayok have been lifetime friends. They've known each other
for a long long time. That helps. And I think

(01:45:30):
Mike's personality is strong enough to be able to tell
Gruten what he needs to hear what he needs to hear.
But what about all the people who try to work
their way up to be in to get a job
as a GM and he has hadn't spent a minute
in any front office doing any work. Is that does
that not matter? Life? Life a fair wake up every

(01:45:50):
morning saying life at But the only problem is that
sounds cool, and that's it's It sounds all right. But
I'm gonna say if I'm a black man's person fact
that we're not. We don't have friends in those places
to where that works for us. And that's why I
have to push back on it, because that's not the
way we get in. We're told you gotta be a scout,

(01:46:11):
you gotta work your way up, you gotta do a
B and C in order to get an interview or
get a chance. And then you tell me, while life
affair because white guys have friends who are there and
they get jobs with no experience. I can't accept it. Well,
I'm telling you, I don't think this is Look, look
I'm a white guy. I'm just I don't I can't
act it. I understand where you're coming from. And I

(01:46:33):
think that the NFL, and I think your criticism is
well taken. I think the reality of this NFL is
is we're not developing anyone to these jobs and we're
not spending time training this. I mean, the Army doesn't
go in and say, look, we're going to promote eight
African Americans to generals. They go in it with the
idea that we are going to train men to become

(01:46:54):
leaders and keep and keep that away. And I think
that that's really where we're missing in And I think
the other factor year is is you're right. I mean,
you should go through and the reason people why we
had one a third of the workforce that's no longer
employed today is because we have selected people to We
have elected people to jobs instead of selected them. There's

(01:47:14):
a book called Wisdom at Work and he talks about
how experience matters and how Chip Conley, at the age
of fifty eight kind of resurrected his career to help out.
And I think the NFL is missing that there's no
one training these young men on how to become general managers.
No one training that's going on. There's no training to coaches,
the idea, the lost art of working for a coach.

(01:47:34):
When Bill Belichick was became his first job, interview came
after a bit of defense coordinated for seven years in
the NFL, you call a first down as an offensive coordinated.
You're allowed to be a head coaching candidate today. So
your criticism is well taken, and it supports it. And
I don't disagree with one thing you're saying, but the
reality of it is is that's what happens in the

(01:47:54):
NFL when we were in a selected position, not when
we're an elected position. Not selected. Lombardi joining us on
on the Dan Patrick Show here on Fox Sports Radio,
and by the way, make you make sure you pick
up his book Gridiron Genius and master Class and Winning
Championships and Building Dynasties in nash Football League. Download His
podcast is a great one. GM Street. That podcast available

(01:48:16):
over on the Ringer's website. Let's get to yesterday, UM,
A lot was lot, a lot of pressure was on
Kirk Cousins and that offense did not produce. Look, their
pot committed to Kirk Cousins, But what do you do
now if you're the Minnesota Vikings. I think the untold
story here really is the death of Tonis Perrano. I
mean that really hurt the Minnesota Vikings. He did a

(01:48:36):
tremendous job coach in that offensive line, and I think
their offensive line has not been able to recover from that.
And I think that's the residue of this. And I
think their offensive line could not block the Chicago Bear
front yesterday, and Kirk Cousins certainly deserved some of the blame,
but not all of the blame. I think their offensive
line didn't play well. And look, let's be real honest here,
the Vikings defense didn't play well yesterday at all. The

(01:48:57):
Bears round the ball down their throat, and I think
Zimmer would be the first to tell you that disappointed
him more than anything. And the fact that they couldn't
get off the field on third down, which is typically
something that Mike Zimmer's defense do well. I think if
you're Rick Spielman and Mike Zimmer today sitting in your office,
you gotta be honest with yourself. You can say it's
Kirk Cousins isn't good enough. That's great, but you've got
to get better in the offensive defensive line. You've got

(01:49:19):
to approve those two areas significantly for you to compete
because that Bear front is gonna be tough to block
next year and all these other teams that you're playing.
You can't win on the road with a bad offensive line.
Bad lines don't travel, and I think the Viking's learned that. Mike,
what do you make of And you know people will
point to and I and I agree with most of
what you were just saying. But but the part about

(01:49:41):
Kirk Cousins in his career is four and twenty five
versus UH teams over five hundred? Do you buy into that?
That's the That's the knock on Matt Stafford that he's
never he doesn't beat good teams. He wins some games,
he puts up stats. Do you buy into two guys
having to beat some good teams UH and or not?

(01:50:02):
I think it's really I think Kirk Cousins and Matt
Stafford are not going to carry teams and put them
on their shoulder. Okay, Lamart Jackson's taking the Ravens and
put him on his shoulders, and to me, he's work
of the Year because what he's been able to do
over the last seven weeks is remarkable. That is, and
who Kirk Cousins is. That is, and who Matthew Stafford is.
They need supporting casts around him. They're not the star,

(01:50:23):
even though they're paid like it. They're not the star
of the team. They're the actor that after the credits
have been rolled, it says and Kirk Cousins and Matt Stafford,
And you've got to build a team around those guys
in that style, in that vein, and it's you don't,
your team is not going to be able to produce
effectively because you're gonna be left with the question is
we didn't get enough out of Kirk, we didn't get
enough out of Matthew. And it's your own fault because

(01:50:44):
you should set it up. The Vikings didn't set it up.
Their offensive line let them down because of that, and
I think next year they got to go into it
and saying, look, we're gonna win games, not because we
have Kirk Cousins. We're gonna win games because we have
a good team. That's why um Foles went down with
injury and Sudfeld came in and played. Well, you had
the possibility of playing Carson Wentz. What do you think

(01:51:07):
this Eagles team does in Chicago this weekend? Well, I
think they played Nick Foles. I mean, look, I don't
the thing I didn't understand about Sunday, Doug, I didn't
understand why the Bears were in such a rush to
play to play the Eagles. I didn't understand. If I
could have played the Vikings again next week in Chicago,
I would have gladly taken that. I mean, for some reason,
the Bears just didn't really see I don't see Philly

(01:51:28):
as a threat, and I think Philly will used that.
I think Doug Peterson will sit in his office on
Monday and Tuesday, when the team comes back on Wednesday,
he'll say, fellas they wanted to play us, they don't
think we're good enough, you know, And they're going to
motivate this team that way. And I think they're a
dangerous team with Nick Foles under center. This defensive line
has played much better the last month of the season.
I think Michael Bennett has back to the level he

(01:51:49):
was at Seattle. He's really dominating. And then you had
Fletcher Cox and Tim Journey get inside. They go along
with Chris Long. This is a formidable defensive front that
can create pressure and create turnovers, and that's going to
be tough for Chicago block. What do you make of
the Marcus Mariota situation in Tennessee practice last week? Unable
to play yesterday? Is the Titans handled it poorly? Is

(01:52:11):
this simply a case of, Hey, he couldn't go and
we gotta take him at his word with the stinger. Look,
I think that's a concern about Marcus Mariota. Durabilities an issue.
You know, durabilities an issue. And I think one of
the things why James Winston went ahead of him and
the draft was because a Winston for all the things
that you were concerned about off the field, on the field,
Winston could come in and play. Now he turns the
ball over too much. But Mariotta, to me, I think

(01:52:34):
mariotas you've got to be concerned about his durability. I mean,
he gets hit and the next thing you know, he's
on the injury report. I think if you have the
Tennessee Titans, you have to go into the season saying, Okay,
we're going to go into the fifth year on the
option here with Mariotta, will see what he has. But
we better draft a quarterback to prepare our organization for
the future, because I'm not sure they have the answer
to the question do they have a quarterback? I'm not
sure they have one. It's too inconsistent. Their offense is

(01:52:57):
really really bad. I mean, unless they can run the
football of actively, they don't have a passing game, nor
do they have an explosive player at receiver. I know
they drafted Corey Davis the fit took overall, but they
don't have explosiveness in offense. Their most explosive players Dion
Lewis and really Corey Davis. Henry is a good player,
He's a banger, but he's not an explosive player. Mike,
what about the Patriots? And yesterday Tom Brady have four

(01:53:19):
touchdowns against the Jets, But h are you have you
talk about his decline? Have you seen a decline? And
what do you expect from the Patriots, especially if they
have to go on the road and win playoff games. Well,
I think the Patriots are vulnerable team right now. I
don't think this is the best team that they've had.
I think they're back to the two thousand and thirteen
team when they ran the football effectively, when la Garrett

(01:53:40):
Blood basically carried him into the playoffs and they lost
in Denver to Tayton Manning in that game. Out there,
they're they're not as good on defense, they don't have
as many rushers on defense. It's really I think Bill
Belichick's finest coaching job to win ten games with this team.
I think if you put some other coaches with this
Patriot talent, I think they probably win seven games. I
mean the three and five on the road, they got

(01:54:00):
blown out by a bunch of teams. They've been in
three games this year, they've only scored ten points. That's
unpatriot like. I think they're vulnerable. They're very good at
home when they can run the football and they find ballots.
But when they play against these good passing teams, I
think it's going to be a challenge for them. And Brady.
I think there's been periods where he hasn't been a
hundred percent Tom Brady. He's missed some throws. He missed
some throws yesterday. Their offense isn't in rhythm. I mean

(01:54:23):
Gronx only had three touchdown catches all season, you'd have
to go back to two thousand and I think four
team when he had that least amount. He didn't play
in a lot of games that year either, and his
average protetches way down this year. So they'll need more
production from their best players, and right now they're not
getting it. Gonna be Is he done after this year
with the Patriots? I think they're gonna have to take

(01:54:46):
a look at it. You see, I think the hardest
question to answer for us as fans, and we're not
in the organization, is the player playing hurt and he's
just not playing well, or is the player healthy and
just not playing well. And it's easy for us to say, hey,
the guys not playing well, get rid of of him.
But if he's playing hurt and there's a there's a
circumstance to why he's not playing effectively, then you've got
to take that into consideration, and I'm sure the Patriots

(01:55:08):
will do that. I think Gronk Scott, you know, he
didn't have a great offseason. He wasn't in the O
T A S. And I think the two players that
aren't playing to their same level in New England, Tom
Brady and Gronk were the two guys that weren't in
the o T eight Days last year. Michael Lombardi joining
us here on the Dan Patrick Show. Make sure you
buy his book Grid Genious, A masterclass and Winning Championships
and building Dynasties in the NFL, or download his podcast,

(01:55:30):
GM Street The GM Street Podcast on on the Ringer,
Who's your m v p uh? You know, I go
back between Drew Brees and Patrick Mahomes. I think that
you know, Mahomes has been sensational and that defense is
so bad in Kansas City that I think Kansas City
is vulnerable to get beat it against anybody because they
can't ever get control of the game unless their offense

(01:55:51):
has a two touchdown lead, and then they're still not
in control. So my sense of it will be it's
Patrick Mahomes. I think Drew Brees has been wonderful. I
think he's been great, But this is the most complete
team Sean Payton has had as the head coach of
the Saints since he's been there. I don't think that's
ever been in doubt. He's very good there. They won
a game where Drew breestrought for hunting twenty yards, they
beat Minnesota in Minnesota, they've won games where priests did

(01:56:13):
and have his best day. And the Chiefs can't win
games if Mahomes doesn't play great. And what about offensive
rookie of the UH Bay that one man already know
what you don't like saying, how can it be Lamar Jackson?
I mean, say, Combardley just set a record of for
for past catches, he's averaging five yards and carry. What

(01:56:35):
is he not doing? What's what's the record that? What's
the only record that matters? The wins? Wins? When's the
Ravens are four and five? There four and five and
all of a sudden, Joe Flacco has a hip injury
and they go six and one. This first of all,
Lamar Jackson saved John Harball's job. John hard Ball was

(01:56:56):
going to get fired if they didn't make the playoffs.
Mhard Jackson's say people's jobs. Don't get the defense and
credit team that defense. They worked. They worked together perfectly, though,
right don't they do? I give him a lot of credit.
You know why I give him credit because since Lamar
Jackson came in, they only played three minutes of defense.
That's why it short shortens the game. This is this

(01:57:20):
is Here's what's interesting. It's a lot like Denver with Tebow. Right,
we got a great field goal kicker. You're playing field Obviously,
he's more athletic, uh than Tebow and frankly throws those
of all down field better than Tebow, although his underneath
throws are still incredibly inaccurate. But here's my question. What's
interesting is member Tebow one in the first round against
Pittsburgh Steelers um at home, they have the San Diego

(01:57:42):
charge excuse me, the l A Chargers at home, and
then he went to New England where they figured it out.
Chargers get a second chance to see that offense, and
they did a really good job out of it, with
the exception of one play in the second half. We've
talked a lot about the Chargers, haven't talked about him
this morning. What do you think about that matchup? I
think it's a dangerous matchup for the Chargers. I think
the Chargers, even though you've played it once, there's things

(01:58:04):
that you can do. And I think if they let
Lamar Jackson throw the football more, I think yesterday was
an example. The only team that's gonna stop the Ravens.
Of the Ravens, I mean they had a third and
five and they tried to run that stupid option play
when if they just let the kid go back and
throw it. One thing about a running game that does
for you is it shortens the game. Yes, but it
also creates a huge play action pass. And when they
had to throw the ball against the Chargers, two plays

(01:58:26):
later they were in the end zone. So I do
think this is a tough game. I think Philip Rivers
will play better. I think weather is going to be
a factor. Now. You know, we're going to get into
January in the Northeast and it's gonna get cold, and
it's gonna be a lot more difficult to move the
football effectively. The Ravens are gonna have to play their
best game. The Chargers are a really good team. I
think the Chargers are better when they're up on the
road and they're the underdogs. I think when the Chargers

(01:58:48):
are the favorites, then I think things start to go haywire.
But it's gonna to be a close game. And there's
just something about the Chargers that I don't trust. Whether
it's their kicker, whether it's the decision making whether it's
Philip Rivers rolling the ball in the dirt when he
when he should just take a sack. There's always something
that comes up that makes me worry about them as
a complete team. What about Super Bowl? I know, let me,

(01:59:09):
let me, let me hear you. What was your preseason
super Bowl pick? And what do you got? Now? I
will admit to you, I'm a man enough to stand
on it. I thought Houston and Green Bay whereas my
super Bowl pick. And I thought that Houston was getting
all their players back, We're going to be a tough out.
And I thought Green Bay getting Aaron Rodgers back would
be a tough out. Man was I wrong on that?

(01:59:29):
Green Based team is just not very good. So now
as I look at it, I think I always go
to this stat in football, and I think it's the
most important stating. I wrote about it in my book
first half point Differential. The last two years, the number
one team and first half point differential two years ago
was the New England Patriots and the number two team
where the Atlanta Falcons. Last year it was the New

(01:59:50):
England Patriots in the Philadelphia Eagles. This year it's the
Chicago Bears in the Kansas City Chiefs. Those are the
two teams the best first half point differential, and I
think if Kansas A City can mask their defensive problems,
I think they can represent the a f C. They
are the best offense in the a f C. They
just talked the best team at times, and I think
over in the NFC, I think New Orleans is the

(02:00:11):
best team, although Chicago's defense is very good. And I
think what Matt Maggie has proven the last two weeks
on the road but their road wins is he's kind
of played aggressively but played a style that Trabisky is
not forced to make a lot of difficult pros and
turn the ball over, and that makes them a real threat.
But I think Philly is going to be a huge
problem for them this weekend. Michael, great stuff. By the way,

(02:00:33):
make sure you pick up his book and uh and
download the podcast as well. Okay remembers his book is
called Gridiron Genius and master Class and Winning Championships and
Building Dynasties in the NFL GM Street Is podcast. Michael,
Happy New Year, Thanks so much for your insight. We
really appreciate I appreciate it. Happy New Year. By by
the same to you. Coming up next, Dan Patrick Shell
on Fox Sports Trader, You're good. We didn't want to

(02:00:54):
hear that. No, I didn't. We didn't want we didn't.
We don't want to hear that. But that's okay, that's
all right. That just that that that happens happens. I
was Sam. I'm not blaming Iowa Sam. I'm just saying
because I was sads about to get a haircut. No,
I know, he's kind of gotta like he's I don't
believe that I was Sam is Jewish, But that is
kind of a jew fro is that it a little
a little bit of a little bit growing up in Iowa,

(02:01:14):
one of the chosen people. All right? Coming up next,
we we got Jews and we got Jus in Iowa. Yeah,
I get some friends of Jewish. Um. Okay, Coming up next,
something happened in college football, which people are going to
claim only shows that coaches coaches, they just walk all
over at student athletes and the student to poor student

(02:01:35):
athletes are left in the dust. Miami lost and gained
a coach all in two weeks. But how Temple actually
gained in the matter. That up coming next in the
Dan Patrick Show, Doug gott Le Bron Parker in for
Dan and the dan Nettes lost. In Sunday's craziness and
exciting finish to the NFL season was the Alabama win

(02:02:03):
over Oklahoma and the I think it was thirty three
was the final score of Clemson over not tre Dame.
But but did you did you get that Alabama? If
they just kept their foot on the gas, it would
have been even. They could have scored. They were nothing.
Game was over. That was over, over, finished, done, twenty
one nothing in the first quarter, twenty eight nothing in
the start of the second quarter. That game was over.

(02:02:24):
That was That's a rap, as they as they like
to say. Um, But what happened last night I think
is way more interesting. Mark rick Um retired. I think
Mark Gregor was like, you know, listen, I thought I
was coming back home to Miami where I went and
rebuild this thing. More work than you thought. They get
stomped in the ball game by Wisconsin Manny Diaz, who
was his defensive coordinator, who had left to take the

(02:02:48):
Temple job, although coached the defense through the ball game.
Where do you want that that? Once you take a job,
shouldn't you focus in on that or no, or yes.
I think there are exceptions to I think their exceptions
to every I hear that with a head coach maybe,
but not the head coach. He's the head coach at Temple.
Now I'm saying, I'm saying, if you were to head

(02:03:08):
coach at Miami left, you know what I'm saying, like, say,
I'm gonna coach to I need to coach my kids
through the to the bowl game, and then I come
over the friends will coordinate. I'm not as obviously obviously
it didn't work. Um, I just again, I think it
depends on the defensive coordinate. I think if you don't
want to leave the kids, you don't want to leave
the program, you don't want to leave the coach, and
you're like, look, I can still recruit. Do I think

(02:03:30):
your attention? Uh? Will your attention will wander? Like yeah,
of course, it's really hard to focus when you're you're
doing you got recruiting signing kids. Um. Look, we operate
in a world where I've I've said this before with
my producer, Like I grew up in southern California. I'm
a pretty liberal guy, especially socially fairly liberal guy. But

(02:03:51):
the way the media works, and the way many people
who will let their voices be heard on social media
especially works. I like, I'm almost pushed to a point
of being conservative and I'm not. Then here's what I mean.
You get people go ahead say players can't leave, coaches
can leave. And look, let me just say the state

(02:04:12):
this for the record, Players and coaches are not the same.
They're not close to the same. They don't have the
same rights, they don't have the same responsibilities. What they
do affects no one really but themselves. I disagree. Okay,
I'll give you a chance to. Like a college coach.
It is a three seven um seven job. You're responsible

(02:04:33):
not just for yourself, for your own actions and how
you represent the university, but also all the men and
women who work underneath you, from coaches to uh to
strength coaches, to trainers to secretaries. Additionally, you're also responsible
for the young men that you have on scholarship. You're
responsible for every single one of them. So of course

(02:04:55):
it's a completely different metrics in terms of what you can,
should and cannot do. And oh yeah, by the way,
if you actually look at it, many Das and his
offensive coordinator because of the buyouts in their contract, which
is only two weeks old. At Temple, couple will make
six point five million dollars on those buyouts. Immediately they

(02:05:17):
have buyouts. Maybe you have signed a contract is Office Quarters,
signed a contract to come to Temple. They maybe as
is now the head coach at Miami, in order to
take that job, they had to execute the buy out.
So now Temple gets six point five million dollars. That's
what Miami is paying for him the two weeks I
got two weeks um. Every contract has a buyout or
some sort of clause or non compete clause. And for

(02:05:40):
college football, yeah, in college basketball, you gotta city year.
With the exception obviously of the kids that signed at
Temple when he was there, they'll get out of a
letter of intent if they choose to do so. And
my only thing is I think there is a double
standard from the standpoint of AH coaches going to your
parents living room and tell you about coming and making

(02:06:02):
a commitment, and then oftentimes they walk out on the kids,
and and it does affect the kids even more. The
coach goes on, he gets a bigger deal and better job.
I get all that. I'm not saying you can't do that.
But now the player, I don't know if I'm gonna
get to play. Now they bringing in another coach who
I'm not his style of player. And now all I'm
saying is, once your coach leaves, you should have the

(02:06:25):
option to leave as well. You can't leave, yeah, but
you shouldn't have to sit out. Okay, well, first you
can apply for a waiver. But second of all, but
that was the biggest like you this no, but that
was the biggest thing that there are there are people.
First like first, if you if you sign a litter, Okay,
those guys can get out of their letter. Nobody's gonna
hold them to the Temple's not gonna hold them to

(02:06:45):
that letter. Second of all, you should, by the way,
there's a commitment to the university. I'm realistic and understanding
that coaching does in fact matter your right, but you
also should take a long hard look at the actual
university that you're saying too, because remember these scholars is
now are four year deals. They're not one year deals.
But but a coach could also pull them out and
they guarantee, but they do the guarantees, they're not they're

(02:07:07):
four year guaranteed, no matter what if I if I suck,
if I get to Michigan and I suck, they could
they could take the scholarship. If they don't take your
scholarship from you know, the Big Ten has four year scholarships.
If you stink, are there are there ways in which
they'll try and get you to leave, Like sure, if
you're terrible, or if you're just a turd, or if
you're doing what Leonard four Nette was doing and Yelden

(02:07:28):
was doing, sitting on the bench and and just bringing everybody.
Weren't disruptive, they were just relaxing. No, they wanted being teammates. Dude,
they weren't being teammates. I'm good for Tom Coughlin taking
away they have been. They're being church. They didn't take
away that they're looking to take away them. Yes, I
don't know if they're gonna do. Uh, but yeah, look, yeah,
you gotta you gotta, you gotta city year. And by
the way, a lot there's a lot of guys, the

(02:07:48):
same percentage of guys that think it stinks when a
new coach comes in, you also have a chance to
win a new coach over and kind of get a
get a restart, get a refresh as to hey, I
can impress this guy and I can leave in the spring. Um.
But I do think it's interesting that people never point
out the buyouts and how the schools benefit greatly when
these coaches leave. And I do think, though I don't

(02:08:10):
like a coach leaving two weeks in Many Diaz growing
up in Miami, having been defense coordinator at Miami, and
this retirement coming on really really quickly two weeks. It's
a special circumstance, and I waive any previous thought of, hey, dude,
you're leaving these kids out in the lurch. I guess
if you had recruited uh a lot of players and
they were stock or whatever, then maybe I would I

(02:08:31):
wouldn't feel as good. But like you said, it's only
been two weeks. Who's your Super Bowl? I'm gonna say
New Orleans and the Charger. You're taking the Chargers. I'm
gonna take the charge Chargers have three road games order
to get there, but they are a great road team.
It Too'm gonna take the Chargers. I have no idea

(02:08:51):
I take. I'm back tomorrow. The Saints

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