December 17, 2018 • 30 mins
Doug thinks Bill Belichick was proven correct once again after the Patriots lost their second game in a row. He can’t understand how people still doubt Andrew Luck’s ability after another impressive win. And Doug talks to Super Bowl Champ and NFL analyst Trent Dilfer who tries to figure out what happened to the Rams’ offense.
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Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Wow, what a weekend.
What a weekend. Hope you had a good one. My
picks were good. I think pretty darn good. We'll get
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to those, will recap them. Better than the Patriots offense.
Hu huh huh, better than the Rams at home? Man,
We got a lot to get to, ton a seismic
ton to get to. Let's dig in with the Patriots,
shall we, right? Because sunrise in the east and sets
in the west, and the Patriots always seemed to beat
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the Steelers until yesterday, when, in spite of the fact
the defense played well enough for them to win the game,
it was the offense. The offense that let them down.
Now I've seen the breakdowns some Dan Orlovsky that he
shows overrun the other network that hey, they're double team
and Gronk, they're double teaming Edelman and they're saying, somebody
else beat us, and no one else can beat it.
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And some of this is the change we've seen in
the Patriots, and that changed very simply. That change is
that they are no longer a spread you out underneath,
sharp cutting team. They at their core, at their cores,
want to be a power running team, a power running
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team that uses play action, that uses Sony Michelle to
create openings for their wide receivers or the previous two
Edelmen and Gronkowski who were mentioned. The problem with that
is the Steelers have changed and evolved. They're still good
against the run, but they can play man and man
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defensively what they couldn't do previously. We have previous regime,
different defense, different personnel. They've evolved and changed, and so
the matchup is actually more favorable for Pittsburgh than it
used to be. And so some of it was matchup based.
But here's my biggest takeaway, Like, look, some of these
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takeaways are really simple. You watch the Colts and you
watch the Cowboys Daniel Jeremiah joins us every week on
the show. Dania Jeremiah, of course moved the Sticks podcast,
former front office executive, former quarterback in his own right,
current analysts for the NFL Network, and he says, tractor
or trailer, right, A tractor can pull an entire franchise.
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A trailer is good, but has to be pulled by others.
You watch the Colts, you watch the Cowboys. One quarterback
is a tractor, Andrew Luck, one quarterback is a trail
her Dak Prescott. That analysis is pretty simple. And you
know what, here's some analysis you need from the New
England Patriots. The Patriots a little look, a little bit
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long in the tooth. Yep. By other time, seemed to
be catching up with Tom Brady. Yep. Do they appear
to have a little bit better defense and a little
bit worse offense. Yep. And you know who is not
surprised by any of this. That would be William Belichick.
I'm always blown away by this idea that Bill Belichick
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somehow lost it before the Super Bowl last year. You know,
I know he's been a genius. I know he's authored
the greatest franchise in modern football history. I am not
a Patriots fan. Okay, I'm not. I've never won a
Patriot's jersey. I've been a Patriots games and I'm not.
But I don't cheer for really any team. I'm a
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Charger fan, but even them. I'm not a Pom Pom
waving Charger fan. I'm not. But if you cannot at
least admit that that's the most successful franchise in the
history of professional football's modern era, you're not paying attention.
And you can sit there and say, well, they win
a decade without winning Super Bowl. Yes, but all that
that entire decade, they had double digit wins. You go
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on seventeen straight years of dominance, and in in a
league which is designed to make the best move back
down right. First place schedules hurt first place teams, fourth
place schedules helped fourth place teams, so that everyone is
nine and seven, seven and nine. All these games to
the end of season, or as many of them as possible,
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actually matter. So he has authored the greatest franchise in
the history of modern professional football. We're okay with that?
Good And you can make the argument, and I would
it's the greatest franchise run in the history of professional sports,
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because it's had a salary cap, because they've had different incarnations,
because they've played different styles, and because of how the
league is designed as opposed to Major League Baseball. When
the Yankees one, for example, there for World Series during
five World Series with Derek Jeter there. The fact is
that that sport is not created the same. Everybody is
not intended to be equal. Didn't have a salary captain.
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They put in the luxury tax. It's not the same
as an actual hard salary cap and first place to
fourth place schedules. That's what the NFL has. I'd i'd
offer to you that the Patriots are the greatest. They
have the greatest run in the history of modern professional sports.
So when he didn't play Malcolm Butler except for one
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play in the Super Bowl, suddenly he became an egomaniac
who had a personal vendetta against a player because of
contract negotiations or whatever reason. Or he knows a hell
of a lot more about football than we do now.
I think a certain portion of it is he may
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have been willing to lose a game in order to
win this year and win in the future. No player
puts himself above. Some of it might be that he
had more information than we've ever been given about Malcolm Butler.
Like remember, people don't tell the entire story about Malcolm Butler.
He had not only been awful most of the year,
he was awful in the playoffs, and he didn't show
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up for workouts and checked himself into the hospital the
day before the team was gonna leave, and he wasn't
on the team flight to the Super Bowl. Like, man,
how could he not play him well? Because when he
was putting in his game plan, he didn't know if
he was gonna be in the hospital or not. And
if you don't think there's a breakdown in communication between
player and team, why didn't the player go to the
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team doctor anyone anyone. So with all that being said,
there was this assumption that Bill Belichick had lost it,
or maybe Bill Belichick knew because remember the other story
we heard about last year was Bill Belichick was putting
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things in position so that he would have an heir apparent,
a successor to Tom Brady. Tom Brady's own dad about
five years ago said, hey, he expected Tom Brady to
play elsewhere to end his career, because that's what happens
with Patriots, and the story came out that Belichick wanted
to have a backup in place to eventually be the successor,
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so they keep the run going, and ownership overruled him.
So when yesterday Tom Brady looked old, looked old, I'm
not saying that it was all his fault that Rob
Gronkowski doesn't look Gronk looks old. But the same approach
they had with Gronk was, hey, dude, we're not going
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to give you a big, new, long term contract because
we know that you're about a year away from being washed.
They didn't go through all those different wide receivers in
the preseason early in the season because they felt good
about their group. None of this stuff is new information
to to Bill Belichick. None of it. Do you think
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Bill Belichick knows that they look old? Of how He's like, yep,
I told them this is what's gonna happen if we
hold onto guys. We have. The Patriot way has never
been to hold on two guys. We don't have retirement,
retirement years, retirement ceremonies. Guys go away, they come back,
we recognize their success, They go on to TV, they
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go into private business or whatever. It happens all of them.
Brady was only different because the owner had his back
and because Tom Brady. But as Belichick would tell you,
she's just a football player, a really good, really talented
football player at the most important position in the sport.
So look, this is not me telling you that the
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Patriots are done. A lot of things had to go
their way last year in order for them to get
to the Super Bowl. People forget all that, all right.
They forget that the Charger should have been the playoffs,
that the Ravens should have been the playoffs, that they
played the Jacksonville Jaguars, they should have played on the
road in Pittsburgh if not for the stupid catch rule,
which we still kind of don't really know what it catches. Well,
it's different, but it's the same, It's different, got it? Yep? Sure? Cool?
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Close enough were we've now gotten into the close enough.
But they did get to the Super Bowl. They didn't
punt in the Super Bowl. They still had the ball
down five with the greatest quarterback uh in terms of
Super Bowl success postseason success in modern football history, with
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a chance to win the game, and he misread the
coverage and he fumbled the football. But everybody forgets all
that because we thought Bill Belichick lost his mind. He
started making personal decisions that are business decisions. That's not
how it is with Belichick. It's always been business. It's
not personal. It's strictly business. That's why Michael Malcolm Butler
didn't play. That's why he wanted to move on from Brady.
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Bill Belichick didn't forget football. He's forgotten more about football
than all of us will know. You don't author the
greatest franchise run and success story in modern sports history
unless you're willing to at some point cut bait with
players who have gotten over the hill. And the difference
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is that the ownership made it personal and when that
intersects with business is what you have. Look that said,
Patriots still have a great shot to win eleven games.
You got Bills Jets down the stretch, and you know,
you look around the sport and you're like, does anybody
if if they have to go into Houston, do you
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think the Patriots are scared at all? Of the Houston
Texans know who just survived the Jets. The answer is no,
a team they've already beaten this year. The answer is no.
And by the way. The Texans have to go to
the Eagles, who have remembered like hey are actually pretty
good football when we run the football. So there's a
bunch of different stuff to get to. Cowboys and Colts
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analysis is easy. Patriots is a little bit harder. But
you're gonna have to admit that Bill Belichick knows what
the hell he's doing. And if you don't believe me,
I got eighteen years of data to prove he knows
what he's doing. He didn't all of a sudden lose
his mind with Malcolm Butler, didn't all of a sudden
lose his mind with his desire to find an air
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apparent to Brady, you're not kidding the old man. He's
forgotten more than we all know. Be sure to catch
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eleven Dot Combinations Premier Quarterback competition. UM, I don't think
Tom Brady has reached that Jason Kidd can't make a
layup in the playoffs, but we we did see some age.
How much of his age and maybe the age of
gronk Um We're exposed yesterday in Pittsburgh. You know, I
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think very little Um. I think it's the style of
football they're trying to play doesn't suit not just Tom's
skill set at this stage, but the overall offensive skill set.
They obviously made a a decision early in the year
to play more of a big style of football, big
offensive lineman, two back offense, run the ball, play action,
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try to create big plays in the passing game to
protect their defense, and it suited their offensive line personnel.
It just hasn't been as successful as years passed and
doesn't suit what Tom Brady does best, which is spreads
you out, make decisions of the line of scrimmage, make
great decisions post snap and nip and ticket to death,
basically death by a thousand cuts, and I think you're
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going to see him morph into that. I think the
experiments over because they haven't been explosive offensively, and it
really hasn't protected their defense because they have more three
and ounce, they have shorter drives, they're putting their defense
back on the field actually quicker because it hasn't been successful.
So I think they're gonna start spreading people out more.
James White create some space, some space for Gronk because
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he definitely doesn't have the twitch in his body that
he once had, but now I can use his big frame. Um,
and it's a better style of football, both for Tom
Brady and for this offense. Doug Out Live Show, Fox
Sports Radio. What about the Steelers? Did they prove anything
to you? I mean, there they bother me, and they
can be so good and they can be so bad,
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and their ceilings as high as anybody, but yet they
just make knucklehead mistakes and um, you know, I don't
I don't know. If they get hot, yeah, I don't
know how you stop them, but they tend to cool
themselves down. So uh yeah, it was a nice victory
for him. Um, they obviously made some key plays at
key times. I was huge concerning they had lost three
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a game, so they kind of played nicely with their
back against the wall. But I don't think any of
them any differently of them today than I did before.
They're a highly temperamental team and they have been for years.
They're not a team that is consistently good and does
the little things well all the time. They rely upon
being explosive up on defense and offense. Doug Gotlieb Show
here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the voice of Trent Dilfer.
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Dilfer's dimes on Twitter, of course, go to lead eleven
the nation's premier quarterback competition. Um, look, I know there's
a lot more thoughtful analysis in that the general manager
has found Marlon Max, so they have a legit running game. Uh,
they fixed the defense, they made air Kebron a much
more effective player, and the Dallas Cowboys maybe weren't as
good as they had been playing. But if I simply
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said this is what I said, the starts show like, Look,
I feel like the difference is just the quarterbacks. One's Uh,
Dania Jeremiah calls a tractor and a trailer. Right. A
tractor can pull the franchise. That's what Andrew Luck is.
A trailer is somebody who needs everything around him and
then can be along for the ride. That's Dak Prescott
to lame to lame an explanation for that. No, I've
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always agreed with that. I mean I was a trailer guy.
I would be the first to admit that there's very
few tractors, though I think sometimes analysts use that as
if there's a bunch of those guys in the NFL.
There there's very few, and even those guys need help. Um,
they just they have more dimensions to him. I always
like to explain these guys that have different dimensions. Uh,
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Andrew Luck can really you can build any offense you
want around him. He has zero limitations. Aaron Rodgers would
be the same way. Um, they're just guys that can
do everything. Um. Therefore, it gives you a lot of
flexibility with the type of personnel you draft and type
of systems you um implement. Uh, Dak has to play
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the game a specific way. He's a he's an either
or pastor, and he's a pretty good one. He has
some athleticism, so you've gotta utilize that. But he's not
a guy it's gonna be good under interior pressure. He's
not gonna be a guy that's gonna get get deep
into his progressions. And he's not a very good vertical passer.
He's okay, he's just not great. Where Andrew Luck and
Aaron Rodgers and others are great at it, Um, and
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I think you know Dallas too, and I'll give him
a little bit of a path. They're banged up offensively
on offensive line, they're not able to do the things
they want to do. They had a lot of good
plays that were called back for holding calls. UM, losing
Zack Martin is a huge deal. The same way if
Clinton Nelson didn't play for the Colts, we would say
that's a huge deal. Having um Tyron Smith banged up.
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I mean he must have five six holding calls over
the last two weeks because he says show what he
wants was physically. If they can get back healthy, they're
a good football team, not great, but good football team.
And I'd say the same thing about the Colts. They're
a good football team, not a great football team, but
they played a heck of a lot better than the Cowboys.
Doug Otlieve Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of the one and only Trent Dilford joints us
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every Monday at this time. Um, alright, let's we haven't
talked as the Chargers come back against the Chiefs. Let's
first talk talk Chiefs. Okay, I want to get the
charges of the second But Chiefs, um, it looks like
they're decent at running back, even even though they've had
to make a change there. They didn't have Sammy Watkins
um and they didn't have the ball a bunch in
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the second half because they had a long drive and
the Chargers had a long drive. But even though we
all knew their defense wasn't good and ultimately let them down.
And there's something to that offense. They had a bad
three and out when they could have won the football
game and played it. Add on, what's your takeaway now
that we've had a couple of days removed from that,
Chargers come back against the Chiefs. I think it's everything
I we all everybody knows the defense is terrible and
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if they're gonna be people, they're gonna have to outscore you,
and they're gonna have to hold the ball and they're
gonna have to have a lot of dimensions offensively outside
of Patrick Mahomes just making plays to playmakers. What bothered
me about that they get the ball of three twenty
nine I think it was three nine ish um left
in the game. They have a chance to end the
game offensively, and their idea of a four minute offense
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is a zone read, lateral run to start the drive
and they get stuffed and then it's just snowballs from
there and it's three and out. Um. I've had a
lot of great coaches. I've learned from a lot some
of the greatest football minds ever. Even the Bill walsh
Is of the world believed in four minute offense. You can't.
There's something weird about football that at the end of
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the game, you've got to be able to look at
the other side of the line of scrim and say,
we're gonna run one of six plays. Try to stop us.
We're not gonna try to trick you anymore. And you
have to have a certain amount of physicality, uh and
identity to be able to end the game with your
offensive line, with your runner. Yes, you may throw it
here or there, but that throw is going to come
off of the run game and they're still in the
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mindset of trying to trick people. And this goes back
if if there's a criticism of Andy read over his
Hall of Fame career, it's that he's had very few
teams that have a finishing mentality, whether it's at the
goal line, whether it's on certain short or whether it's
at the end of game. If you go back and
look at the Philadelphia Eagles, his Candasy Chiefs teams, this team,
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look at them in tight red zone situations, third and short,
fourth and short situations, in critical times and especially for
a minute offense. They just haven't been good. That's not
the identity that's created. And to me, it's going to
be their downfall because they're gonna have a lead in
the playoffs and they're gonna have that somebody's gonna kick
them the ball, and they're gonna have the ball and
have a chance to end it, and they're not going
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to end it. They're gonna kick it back and then
that team is gonna go down verstep fourth defense and score,
just like what happened Thursday night. What about the Chargers, um,
it's hard to know what they'll look like. Hunter Henry
just report is gonna be practicing on the side, which
means he'll eventually likely play in the playoffs. Don't know
how healthy he'll be or how good he'll look, but
that's another weapon. Remember they had this come back without
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Keenan Allen, who missed most of the game with a
hip he'll assuredly be back, and Melvin Gordon is going
to be back as well. What are your thoughts and
the Chargers now, as we've seen him twice go on
the road, twice fall behind and twice come back against
playoff teams in Pittsburgh in Kansas City. Well, I loved
him from the get go. We've had this conversation than
on the bandwagon early, mainly because their offensive line plays
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so much better. Also for the most part, and the
other night he made a couple of ross decisions. But
Philip has been so careful with the ball and really
has changed the way he's read defenses. He's reading them
up more than down, meaning the easy completion to the
big play, and said the big play to the easy completion. Um,
there are an offense that on all cylinders is kind
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of like the great Patriots offense. Where they can move,
they can control the ball both by running it and
throwing it. They can finish tries. We have multiple people
they can target in the red zone or they can
run it in with arguably you know, one of the
best backs in football when when healthy Melvin Gordon. Um,
they really have as many dimensions as anybody in professional
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football right now on offense, and they don't try to
be sexy in sizzily. They try to be boring and
just mall you to death. And then when you make
a mistake that have huge targets they can create big
plays with. I love. I think it's the best way
to play offense. I think if you look at the
course of the great offenses in the history of the NFL,
most of them played that style of football, a balance
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attack where they control the ball and have the ability
to make big plays. Because of that, I think they're
the best team in the NFC. Defensively, Yeah, like everybody,
they have holes, but they have difference makers on defense.
And when you have difference makers, when you have bosses,
when you have Derwin James, you guys like that, they
can change the game. You could be struggling on defense
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and one guy can change the game for you. And
they have those players too. Um. I think I think
they're the favorites in the ANFC right now. Wow, who
would have who would have thought that? I mean, you
and I both liked him, but that is a a colossal,
colossal statement. Let's get to the other side of the NFC.
What's wrong with Rams they're funk obviously defense of Lee
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and I think it was with you I mentioned this
the Wade will Wade Phillips dilemma over his course of
his careers. He's stubborn defensively with how they calls defenses.
He's a great coach and he's put great defenses on
the field, but at the end of year people figure
them out. He has his two interior alignment of their
game records that all they're caring about stacking the quarterbacks,
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so they're out of position all the time in the
run game, so they're getting killed in the A gaps
in the run game. Where's teams that are disciplined um
and the secondary because of the style of defense they played.
They played ban and take a lot of chances, or
they play zone and squat um. There's big plays to
be made. They'll make their share, but they're gonna give
up big plays. That scares me. Offensively, I'm not in
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panic mode. I'm not denying that they played like crud
in the last two weeks, but I'm not in panic
mode just because the intellectual property on that staff with
those players. Jared Goffs a very, very smart and talented player.
Todd Gurley is a very very talented, smart player. Um
Brandon cooks very smart, very talented. They have all the
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uh pieces it takes to turn this thing around, and
obviously their coaches is one of the great young coaches
in football. I think they'll do a huge self examination
called a self scout, where they'll look deeply into what
they've done best this year, what things have given them problems,
identify the cause, and I think they will finish strong
and beyond all so owners going into the playoffs. But
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I think defense would be their downfall more than offense.
Why did the Vikings look so different yesterday? You know,
I was a little It was a typically that doesn't work.
Head coach mandates run the ball well, some some guy
somebody becomes a fall guy, new guy comes in, and
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all of a sudden, you're running the ball better. That
doesn't happen very often, but it happened on Sunday. I
like some of those schemes. It wasn't that they just
ran it more often, they ran it with better schemes.
I thought the runners ran harder um both Murray and Cook.
Uh yeah, Dalvin Cook. Um. I also think they did
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some things in the passing game that created some space.
So instead of coming out and throwing or just running
and then throwing their old passing game, they came out
obviously stepping with the run, but they had some really
cool movement and action plays off of it that created
some space in the defense. Every time the Dolphins came
down and tried to cheat the box, they had the
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ability to really make them pay. So all of a sudden,
the Dolphins a kind of hanging back a little bit
and not cheating the box, and they were running the
ball well. I thought the mixture and play calling that
that the rhythm of play calling was much better. Is
it sustainable. I don't think it's sustainable because I don't
think they're very good upfront. I think ultimately what's the
problem with the Vikings, more than the play caller, more
than the run pass ratio, is they stink on the
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offensive line. And when you stink on the offensive line,
and it gets late in the year and people just say,
you know what, they stink, We're gonna maul him on
the with our defense front. Typically, now you run into
a wall and now you're stuck back trying to throw
it all over the yard. So I think the Vikings
are like eight other teams where they're they're good. Maybe
they can get hot, but ultimately their pretenders. Doug gotlive
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show here on Fox Sports Video. What about the Eagles,
the Super Bowl champions with their Super Bowl winning quarterbacks
suddenly look like world beaters last night? Was that just
a must win game and a good matchup or have
they really figured some stuff out. I don't think they
look like world beaters. I thought they looked okay. Um,
they did some good things. I've always thought that when healthy. Defensively,
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um there are a headache, and they were to the
Rams last night. Offensively, they had a couple of plays
they chucked up worked out for him. I thought their
schemes were a little more creative than they were with
Carson Wentz a lot of times. And this is a
long conversation. I'm trying to make it quick, but a
lot of times coaches get lazy with great quarterbacks and
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they just say, you know what the quarterback will say
of us. We don't have to grind out eight schemes
this week that they're going to get people wide open.
We'll just trust him to make plays and in the
backup plays like whoa we got all hands on deck.
You know, every coach come up with four great schemes
this week that we can get a guy down the
seam where we can get a screenplayer. We you know,
we can get something that cheats some yards. That's what
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it looked like to me, just from my exo geeky
standpoint was I saw them do different things. I saw
him do better things, and they worked. I think it
caught the Rams off guard. Uh, and there was just
a higher level of attention paid to the offensive schemes.
I wish all teams did that, even with their superstar quarterbacks,
because even your superstar quarterback needs help sometimes. Um Saints
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Panthers tonight Panthers have been an absolute mess? How much
of how much of the blame should lie at the
feet of Cam Newton. He just he played so good
early and then it got reckless, as has been his
downfall in his career. He just gets reckless with the ball.
I also think, you know, I've always said this, and
it you know, people don't like hearing the mechanics thing,
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but his mechanics are deeply flawed. And when he has
to rush a downfill throw because of his shoulder tilt,
because of his head movement, the ball is gonna sail
I mean, it's we see in high school kids all
the time. If you have a large shoulder tilt, if
your head moves a lot when you throw the ball,
the ball is gonna sail on. You know, if you
look at all his bad throws, all his critical mistakes,
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it's the same story and it's been the same story
forever that he has a mechanical flaw which causes him
to sell the ball in big moments. And when you
throw the ball high down the field in the NFL,
you throw interception. Um, guys that miss low don't throw
as many picks. Aaron Rodgers miss is low, Tom Brady
misses low, Drew Brees misses low, Um Cam Newton ms
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is high. That's been his issue, and I think he
deserves a large part of blame. I think the story tonight, though, Doug,
is that I think the Saints can plant their flag
as the best team in football. I think that the
like we said, the charter of the best team they
have Seve. I think the Saints tonight if they can
just railroad the Panthers and just say, you know what,
this is our division, this is our year. We are
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as good as people saying where and just railroad them.
I think they can plant their flag as the front
runner for the super Bowl champion. That'd be amazing, amazing,
amazing stuff, great breakdowns. Dude, thanks so much for joining us.
We love it all right, that's Trent Dilfer. Of course,
to fall on Twitter at Dilfer's times, we'll go to
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the Doug Dot Leap Show week days in noon eastern
three pm Pacific. The Andrew Luck is overrated, overpaid, over
hyped crowd is having themselves a really really difficult year.
You know, um, I actually think the Andrew Luck is
overrated Andrew Luck is overpaid is met When Steph Curry
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said last week or maybe two weeks ago on a
podcast that he doubted there's a group of them there
are he doubted that we landed on the moon, and like, look,
this is a common narrative. I remember this conspiracy theory
when I was a kid. But hey, look that that
could be a movie set whatever. It's not the craziest statement.
The problem is that there's all this Like NASA was like, hey,
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look do you want to actually come and see moon rocks.
Do you want to actually come and see what we did?
There's scientific data that points out, hey, we actually did
land on the Moon. Here are the people, here are
the trips, here's the footage, here's all the technology that
was was gained by our trips to the moon. It
was really hard. We don't do it now because there's
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not a lot of benefit to it, but we did,
in fact do it. The same amount of scientific data
appears with Andrew Luck for the people are like Andrew
Lux overrated. Really that's funny because when he has a
when he has a good offensive line, and when he
has any sort of running game, that dude is awesome,
gets to the playoffs and wins double digit games, which
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they'll do this year. Twenty three touchdowns, eighteen receptions in
his rookie season off a team that won what two
games before he got there and got to the playoffs
three touchdowns and nine then forty touchdowns and sixty interceptions. Yeah,
he's a turnover guy, but he's also a production machine.
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Andrew Lux going to complete his highest percentage of passes.
He's been a little bit safer with the ball. He'll
probably get close to forty touchdowns and he'll have I think,
ten wins for a guy who didn't pick up a
regulation sized football until training camp. I would say he's back.
I would say he's not as good as advertised. He's
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probably better.
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Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Wow, what a weekend.
What a weekend. Hope you had a good one. My
picks were good. I think pretty darn good. We'll get
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to those, will recap them. Better than the Patriots offense.
Hu huh huh, better than the Rams at home? Man,
We got a lot to get to, ton a seismic
ton to get to. Let's dig in with the Patriots,
shall we, right? Because sunrise in the east and sets
in the west, and the Patriots always seemed to beat
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the Steelers until yesterday, when, in spite of the fact
the defense played well enough for them to win the game,
it was the offense. The offense that let them down.
Now I've seen the breakdowns some Dan Orlovsky that he
shows overrun the other network that hey, they're double team
and Gronk, they're double teaming Edelman and they're saying, somebody
else beat us, and no one else can beat it.
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And some of this is the change we've seen in
the Patriots, and that changed very simply. That change is
that they are no longer a spread you out underneath,
sharp cutting team. They at their core, at their cores,
want to be a power running team, a power running
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team that uses play action, that uses Sony Michelle to
create openings for their wide receivers or the previous two
Edelmen and Gronkowski who were mentioned. The problem with that
is the Steelers have changed and evolved. They're still good
against the run, but they can play man and man
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defensively what they couldn't do previously. We have previous regime,
different defense, different personnel. They've evolved and changed, and so
the matchup is actually more favorable for Pittsburgh than it
used to be. And so some of it was matchup based.
But here's my biggest takeaway, Like, look, some of these
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takeaways are really simple. You watch the Colts and you
watch the Cowboys Daniel Jeremiah joins us every week on
the show. Dania Jeremiah, of course moved the Sticks podcast,
former front office executive, former quarterback in his own right,
current analysts for the NFL Network, and he says, tractor
or trailer, right, A tractor can pull an entire franchise.
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A trailer is good, but has to be pulled by others.
You watch the Colts, you watch the Cowboys. One quarterback
is a tractor, Andrew Luck, one quarterback is a trail
her Dak Prescott. That analysis is pretty simple. And you
know what, here's some analysis you need from the New
England Patriots. The Patriots a little look, a little bit
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long in the tooth. Yep. By other time, seemed to
be catching up with Tom Brady. Yep. Do they appear
to have a little bit better defense and a little
bit worse offense. Yep. And you know who is not
surprised by any of this. That would be William Belichick.
I'm always blown away by this idea that Bill Belichick
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somehow lost it before the Super Bowl last year. You know,
I know he's been a genius. I know he's authored
the greatest franchise in modern football history. I am not
a Patriots fan. Okay, I'm not. I've never won a
Patriot's jersey. I've been a Patriots games and I'm not.
But I don't cheer for really any team. I'm a
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Charger fan, but even them. I'm not a Pom Pom
waving Charger fan. I'm not. But if you cannot at
least admit that that's the most successful franchise in the
history of professional football's modern era, you're not paying attention.
And you can sit there and say, well, they win
a decade without winning Super Bowl. Yes, but all that
that entire decade, they had double digit wins. You go
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on seventeen straight years of dominance, and in in a
league which is designed to make the best move back
down right. First place schedules hurt first place teams, fourth
place schedules helped fourth place teams, so that everyone is
nine and seven, seven and nine. All these games to
the end of season, or as many of them as possible,
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actually matter. So he has authored the greatest franchise in
the history of modern professional football. We're okay with that?
Good And you can make the argument, and I would
it's the greatest franchise run in the history of professional sports,
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because it's had a salary cap, because they've had different incarnations,
because they've played different styles, and because of how the
league is designed as opposed to Major League Baseball. When
the Yankees one, for example, there for World Series during
five World Series with Derek Jeter there. The fact is
that that sport is not created the same. Everybody is
not intended to be equal. Didn't have a salary captain.
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They put in the luxury tax. It's not the same
as an actual hard salary cap and first place to
fourth place schedules. That's what the NFL has. I'd i'd
offer to you that the Patriots are the greatest. They
have the greatest run in the history of modern professional sports.
So when he didn't play Malcolm Butler except for one
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play in the Super Bowl, suddenly he became an egomaniac
who had a personal vendetta against a player because of
contract negotiations or whatever reason. Or he knows a hell
of a lot more about football than we do now.
I think a certain portion of it is he may
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have been willing to lose a game in order to
win this year and win in the future. No player
puts himself above. Some of it might be that he
had more information than we've ever been given about Malcolm Butler.
Like remember, people don't tell the entire story about Malcolm Butler.
He had not only been awful most of the year,
he was awful in the playoffs, and he didn't show
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up for workouts and checked himself into the hospital the
day before the team was gonna leave, and he wasn't
on the team flight to the Super Bowl. Like, man,
how could he not play him well? Because when he
was putting in his game plan, he didn't know if
he was gonna be in the hospital or not. And
if you don't think there's a breakdown in communication between
player and team, why didn't the player go to the
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team doctor anyone anyone. So with all that being said,
there was this assumption that Bill Belichick had lost it,
or maybe Bill Belichick knew because remember the other story
we heard about last year was Bill Belichick was putting
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things in position so that he would have an heir apparent,
a successor to Tom Brady. Tom Brady's own dad about
five years ago said, hey, he expected Tom Brady to
play elsewhere to end his career, because that's what happens
with Patriots, and the story came out that Belichick wanted
to have a backup in place to eventually be the successor,
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so they keep the run going, and ownership overruled him.
So when yesterday Tom Brady looked old, looked old, I'm
not saying that it was all his fault that Rob
Gronkowski doesn't look Gronk looks old. But the same approach
they had with Gronk was, hey, dude, we're not going
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to give you a big, new, long term contract because
we know that you're about a year away from being washed.
They didn't go through all those different wide receivers in
the preseason early in the season because they felt good
about their group. None of this stuff is new information
to to Bill Belichick. None of it. Do you think
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Bill Belichick knows that they look old? Of how He's like, yep,
I told them this is what's gonna happen if we
hold onto guys. We have. The Patriot way has never
been to hold on two guys. We don't have retirement,
retirement years, retirement ceremonies. Guys go away, they come back,
we recognize their success, They go on to TV, they
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go into private business or whatever. It happens all of them.
Brady was only different because the owner had his back
and because Tom Brady. But as Belichick would tell you,
she's just a football player, a really good, really talented
football player at the most important position in the sport.
So look, this is not me telling you that the
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Patriots are done. A lot of things had to go
their way last year in order for them to get
to the Super Bowl. People forget all that, all right.
They forget that the Charger should have been the playoffs,
that the Ravens should have been the playoffs, that they
played the Jacksonville Jaguars, they should have played on the
road in Pittsburgh if not for the stupid catch rule,
which we still kind of don't really know what it catches. Well,
it's different, but it's the same, It's different, got it? Yep? Sure? Cool?
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Close enough were we've now gotten into the close enough.
But they did get to the Super Bowl. They didn't
punt in the Super Bowl. They still had the ball
down five with the greatest quarterback uh in terms of
Super Bowl success postseason success in modern football history, with
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a chance to win the game, and he misread the
coverage and he fumbled the football. But everybody forgets all
that because we thought Bill Belichick lost his mind. He
started making personal decisions that are business decisions. That's not
how it is with Belichick. It's always been business. It's
not personal. It's strictly business. That's why Michael Malcolm Butler
didn't play. That's why he wanted to move on from Brady.
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Bill Belichick didn't forget football. He's forgotten more about football
than all of us will know. You don't author the
greatest franchise run and success story in modern sports history
unless you're willing to at some point cut bait with
players who have gotten over the hill. And the difference
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is that the ownership made it personal and when that
intersects with business is what you have. Look that said,
Patriots still have a great shot to win eleven games.
You got Bills Jets down the stretch, and you know,
you look around the sport and you're like, does anybody
if if they have to go into Houston, do you
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think the Patriots are scared at all? Of the Houston
Texans know who just survived the Jets. The answer is no,
a team they've already beaten this year. The answer is no.
And by the way. The Texans have to go to
the Eagles, who have remembered like hey are actually pretty
good football when we run the football. So there's a
bunch of different stuff to get to. Cowboys and Colts
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analysis is easy. Patriots is a little bit harder. But
you're gonna have to admit that Bill Belichick knows what
the hell he's doing. And if you don't believe me,
I got eighteen years of data to prove he knows
what he's doing. He didn't all of a sudden lose
his mind with Malcolm Butler, didn't all of a sudden
lose his mind with his desire to find an air
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apparent to Brady, you're not kidding the old man. He's
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eleven Dot Combinations Premier Quarterback competition. UM, I don't think
Tom Brady has reached that Jason Kidd can't make a
layup in the playoffs, but we we did see some age.
How much of his age and maybe the age of
gronk Um We're exposed yesterday in Pittsburgh. You know, I
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think very little Um. I think it's the style of
football they're trying to play doesn't suit not just Tom's
skill set at this stage, but the overall offensive skill set.
They obviously made a a decision early in the year
to play more of a big style of football, big
offensive lineman, two back offense, run the ball, play action,
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try to create big plays in the passing game to
protect their defense, and it suited their offensive line personnel.
It just hasn't been as successful as years passed and
doesn't suit what Tom Brady does best, which is spreads
you out, make decisions of the line of scrimmage, make
great decisions post snap and nip and ticket to death,
basically death by a thousand cuts, and I think you're
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going to see him morph into that. I think the
experiments over because they haven't been explosive offensively, and it
really hasn't protected their defense because they have more three
and ounce, they have shorter drives, they're putting their defense
back on the field actually quicker because it hasn't been successful.
So I think they're gonna start spreading people out more.
James White create some space, some space for Gronk because
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he definitely doesn't have the twitch in his body that
he once had, but now I can use his big frame. Um,
and it's a better style of football, both for Tom
Brady and for this offense. Doug Out Live Show, Fox
Sports Radio. What about the Steelers? Did they prove anything
to you? I mean, there they bother me, and they
can be so good and they can be so bad,
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and their ceilings as high as anybody, but yet they
just make knucklehead mistakes and um, you know, I don't
I don't know. If they get hot, yeah, I don't
know how you stop them, but they tend to cool
themselves down. So uh yeah, it was a nice victory
for him. Um, they obviously made some key plays at
key times. I was huge concerning they had lost three
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a game, so they kind of played nicely with their
back against the wall. But I don't think any of
them any differently of them today than I did before.
They're a highly temperamental team and they have been for years.
They're not a team that is consistently good and does
the little things well all the time. They rely upon
being explosive up on defense and offense. Doug Gotlieb Show
here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the voice of Trent Dilfer.
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Dilfer's dimes on Twitter, of course, go to lead eleven
the nation's premier quarterback competition. Um, look, I know there's
a lot more thoughtful analysis in that the general manager
has found Marlon Max, so they have a legit running game. Uh,
they fixed the defense, they made air Kebron a much
more effective player, and the Dallas Cowboys maybe weren't as
good as they had been playing. But if I simply
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said this is what I said, the starts show like, Look,
I feel like the difference is just the quarterbacks. One's Uh,
Dania Jeremiah calls a tractor and a trailer. Right. A
tractor can pull the franchise. That's what Andrew Luck is.
A trailer is somebody who needs everything around him and
then can be along for the ride. That's Dak Prescott
to lame to lame an explanation for that. No, I've
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always agreed with that. I mean I was a trailer guy.
I would be the first to admit that there's very
few tractors, though I think sometimes analysts use that as
if there's a bunch of those guys in the NFL.
There there's very few, and even those guys need help. Um,
they just they have more dimensions to him. I always
like to explain these guys that have different dimensions. Uh,
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Andrew Luck can really you can build any offense you
want around him. He has zero limitations. Aaron Rodgers would
be the same way. Um, they're just guys that can
do everything. Um. Therefore, it gives you a lot of
flexibility with the type of personnel you draft and type
of systems you um implement. Uh, Dak has to play
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the game a specific way. He's a he's an either
or pastor, and he's a pretty good one. He has
some athleticism, so you've gotta utilize that. But he's not
a guy it's gonna be good under interior pressure. He's
not gonna be a guy that's gonna get get deep
into his progressions. And he's not a very good vertical passer.
He's okay, he's just not great. Where Andrew Luck and
Aaron Rodgers and others are great at it, Um, and
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I think you know Dallas too, and I'll give him
a little bit of a path. They're banged up offensively
on offensive line, they're not able to do the things
they want to do. They had a lot of good
plays that were called back for holding calls. UM, losing
Zack Martin is a huge deal. The same way if
Clinton Nelson didn't play for the Colts, we would say
that's a huge deal. Having um Tyron Smith banged up.
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I mean he must have five six holding calls over
the last two weeks because he says show what he
wants was physically. If they can get back healthy, they're
a good football team, not great, but good football team.
And I'd say the same thing about the Colts. They're
a good football team, not a great football team, but
they played a heck of a lot better than the Cowboys.
Doug Otlieve Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of the one and only Trent Dilford joints us
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every Monday at this time. Um, alright, let's we haven't
talked as the Chargers come back against the Chiefs. Let's
first talk talk Chiefs. Okay, I want to get the
charges of the second But Chiefs, um, it looks like
they're decent at running back, even even though they've had
to make a change there. They didn't have Sammy Watkins
um and they didn't have the ball a bunch in
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the second half because they had a long drive and
the Chargers had a long drive. But even though we
all knew their defense wasn't good and ultimately let them down.
And there's something to that offense. They had a bad
three and out when they could have won the football
game and played it. Add on, what's your takeaway now
that we've had a couple of days removed from that,
Chargers come back against the Chiefs. I think it's everything
I we all everybody knows the defense is terrible and
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if they're gonna be people, they're gonna have to outscore you,
and they're gonna have to hold the ball and they're
gonna have to have a lot of dimensions offensively outside
of Patrick Mahomes just making plays to playmakers. What bothered
me about that they get the ball of three twenty
nine I think it was three nine ish um left
in the game. They have a chance to end the
game offensively, and their idea of a four minute offense
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is a zone read, lateral run to start the drive
and they get stuffed and then it's just snowballs from
there and it's three and out. Um. I've had a
lot of great coaches. I've learned from a lot some
of the greatest football minds ever. Even the Bill walsh
Is of the world believed in four minute offense. You can't.
There's something weird about football that at the end of
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the game, you've got to be able to look at
the other side of the line of scrim and say,
we're gonna run one of six plays. Try to stop us.
We're not gonna try to trick you anymore. And you
have to have a certain amount of physicality, uh and
identity to be able to end the game with your
offensive line, with your runner. Yes, you may throw it
here or there, but that throw is going to come
off of the run game and they're still in the
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mindset of trying to trick people. And this goes back
if if there's a criticism of Andy read over his
Hall of Fame career, it's that he's had very few
teams that have a finishing mentality, whether it's at the
goal line, whether it's on certain short or whether it's
at the end of game. If you go back and
look at the Philadelphia Eagles, his Candasy Chiefs teams, this team,
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look at them in tight red zone situations, third and short,
fourth and short situations, in critical times and especially for
a minute offense. They just haven't been good. That's not
the identity that's created. And to me, it's going to
be their downfall because they're gonna have a lead in
the playoffs and they're gonna have that somebody's gonna kick
them the ball, and they're gonna have the ball and
have a chance to end it, and they're not going
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to end it. They're gonna kick it back and then
that team is gonna go down verstep fourth defense and score,
just like what happened Thursday night. What about the Chargers, um,
it's hard to know what they'll look like. Hunter Henry
just report is gonna be practicing on the side, which
means he'll eventually likely play in the playoffs. Don't know
how healthy he'll be or how good he'll look, but
that's another weapon. Remember they had this come back without
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Keenan Allen, who missed most of the game with a
hip he'll assuredly be back, and Melvin Gordon is going
to be back as well. What are your thoughts and
the Chargers now, as we've seen him twice go on
the road, twice fall behind and twice come back against
playoff teams in Pittsburgh in Kansas City. Well, I loved
him from the get go. We've had this conversation than
on the bandwagon early, mainly because their offensive line plays
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so much better. Also for the most part, and the
other night he made a couple of ross decisions. But
Philip has been so careful with the ball and really
has changed the way he's read defenses. He's reading them
up more than down, meaning the easy completion to the
big play, and said the big play to the easy completion. Um,
there are an offense that on all cylinders is kind
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of like the great Patriots offense. Where they can move,
they can control the ball both by running it and
throwing it. They can finish tries. We have multiple people
they can target in the red zone or they can
run it in with arguably you know, one of the
best backs in football when when healthy Melvin Gordon. Um,
they really have as many dimensions as anybody in professional
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football right now on offense, and they don't try to
be sexy in sizzily. They try to be boring and
just mall you to death. And then when you make
a mistake that have huge targets they can create big
plays with. I love. I think it's the best way
to play offense. I think if you look at the
course of the great offenses in the history of the NFL,
most of them played that style of football, a balance
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attack where they control the ball and have the ability
to make big plays. Because of that, I think they're
the best team in the NFC. Defensively, Yeah, like everybody,
they have holes, but they have difference makers on defense.
And when you have difference makers, when you have bosses,
when you have Derwin James, you guys like that, they
can change the game. You could be struggling on defense
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and one guy can change the game for you. And
they have those players too. Um. I think I think
they're the favorites in the ANFC right now. Wow, who
would have who would have thought that? I mean, you
and I both liked him, but that is a a colossal,
colossal statement. Let's get to the other side of the NFC.
What's wrong with Rams they're funk obviously defense of Lee
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and I think it was with you I mentioned this
the Wade will Wade Phillips dilemma over his course of
his careers. He's stubborn defensively with how they calls defenses.
He's a great coach and he's put great defenses on
the field, but at the end of year people figure
them out. He has his two interior alignment of their
game records that all they're caring about stacking the quarterbacks,
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so they're out of position all the time in the
run game, so they're getting killed in the A gaps
in the run game. Where's teams that are disciplined um
and the secondary because of the style of defense they played.
They played ban and take a lot of chances, or
they play zone and squat um. There's big plays to
be made. They'll make their share, but they're gonna give
up big plays. That scares me. Offensively, I'm not in
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panic mode. I'm not denying that they played like crud
in the last two weeks, but I'm not in panic
mode just because the intellectual property on that staff with
those players. Jared Goffs a very, very smart and talented player.
Todd Gurley is a very very talented, smart player. Um
Brandon cooks very smart, very talented. They have all the
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uh pieces it takes to turn this thing around, and
obviously their coaches is one of the great young coaches
in football. I think they'll do a huge self examination
called a self scout, where they'll look deeply into what
they've done best this year, what things have given them problems,
identify the cause, and I think they will finish strong
and beyond all so owners going into the playoffs. But
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I think defense would be their downfall more than offense.
Why did the Vikings look so different yesterday? You know,
I was a little It was a typically that doesn't work.
Head coach mandates run the ball well, some some guy
somebody becomes a fall guy, new guy comes in, and
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all of a sudden, you're running the ball better. That
doesn't happen very often, but it happened on Sunday. I
like some of those schemes. It wasn't that they just
ran it more often, they ran it with better schemes.
I thought the runners ran harder um both Murray and Cook.
Uh yeah, Dalvin Cook. Um. I also think they did
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some things in the passing game that created some space.
So instead of coming out and throwing or just running
and then throwing their old passing game, they came out
obviously stepping with the run, but they had some really
cool movement and action plays off of it that created
some space in the defense. Every time the Dolphins came
down and tried to cheat the box, they had the
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ability to really make them pay. So all of a sudden,
the Dolphins a kind of hanging back a little bit
and not cheating the box, and they were running the
ball well. I thought the mixture and play calling that
that the rhythm of play calling was much better. Is
it sustainable. I don't think it's sustainable because I don't
think they're very good upfront. I think ultimately what's the
problem with the Vikings, more than the play caller, more
than the run pass ratio, is they stink on the
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offensive line. And when you stink on the offensive line,
and it gets late in the year and people just say,
you know what, they stink, We're gonna maul him on
the with our defense front. Typically, now you run into
a wall and now you're stuck back trying to throw
it all over the yard. So I think the Vikings
are like eight other teams where they're they're good. Maybe
they can get hot, but ultimately their pretenders. Doug gotlive
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show here on Fox Sports Video. What about the Eagles,
the Super Bowl champions with their Super Bowl winning quarterbacks
suddenly look like world beaters last night? Was that just
a must win game and a good matchup or have
they really figured some stuff out. I don't think they
look like world beaters. I thought they looked okay. Um,
they did some good things. I've always thought that when healthy. Defensively,
(25:37):
um there are a headache, and they were to the
Rams last night. Offensively, they had a couple of plays
they chucked up worked out for him. I thought their
schemes were a little more creative than they were with
Carson Wentz a lot of times. And this is a
long conversation. I'm trying to make it quick, but a
lot of times coaches get lazy with great quarterbacks and
(25:58):
they just say, you know what the quarterback will say
of us. We don't have to grind out eight schemes
this week that they're going to get people wide open.
We'll just trust him to make plays and in the
backup plays like whoa we got all hands on deck.
You know, every coach come up with four great schemes
this week that we can get a guy down the
seam where we can get a screenplayer. We you know,
we can get something that cheats some yards. That's what
(26:21):
it looked like to me, just from my exo geeky
standpoint was I saw them do different things. I saw
him do better things, and they worked. I think it
caught the Rams off guard. Uh, and there was just
a higher level of attention paid to the offensive schemes.
I wish all teams did that, even with their superstar quarterbacks,
because even your superstar quarterback needs help sometimes. Um Saints
(26:43):
Panthers tonight Panthers have been an absolute mess? How much
of how much of the blame should lie at the
feet of Cam Newton. He just he played so good
early and then it got reckless, as has been his
downfall in his career. He just gets reckless with the ball.
I also think, you know, I've always said this, and
it you know, people don't like hearing the mechanics thing,
(27:07):
but his mechanics are deeply flawed. And when he has
to rush a downfill throw because of his shoulder tilt,
because of his head movement, the ball is gonna sail
I mean, it's we see in high school kids all
the time. If you have a large shoulder tilt, if
your head moves a lot when you throw the ball,
the ball is gonna sail on. You know, if you
look at all his bad throws, all his critical mistakes,
(27:28):
it's the same story and it's been the same story
forever that he has a mechanical flaw which causes him
to sell the ball in big moments. And when you
throw the ball high down the field in the NFL,
you throw interception. Um, guys that miss low don't throw
as many picks. Aaron Rodgers miss is low, Tom Brady
misses low, Drew Brees misses low, Um Cam Newton ms
(27:49):
is high. That's been his issue, and I think he
deserves a large part of blame. I think the story tonight, though, Doug,
is that I think the Saints can plant their flag
as the best team in football. I think that the
like we said, the charter of the best team they
have Seve. I think the Saints tonight if they can
just railroad the Panthers and just say, you know what,
this is our division, this is our year. We are
(28:11):
as good as people saying where and just railroad them.
I think they can plant their flag as the front
runner for the super Bowl champion. That'd be amazing, amazing,
amazing stuff, great breakdowns. Dude, thanks so much for joining us.
We love it all right, that's Trent Dilfer. Of course,
to fall on Twitter at Dilfer's times, we'll go to
Elite eleven Dot. Be sure to catch live edition. So
(28:31):
the Doug Dot Leap Show week days in noon eastern
three pm Pacific. The Andrew Luck is overrated, overpaid, over
hyped crowd is having themselves a really really difficult year.
You know, um, I actually think the Andrew Luck is
overrated Andrew Luck is overpaid is met When Steph Curry
(28:55):
said last week or maybe two weeks ago on a
podcast that he doubted there's a group of them there
are he doubted that we landed on the moon, and like, look,
this is a common narrative. I remember this conspiracy theory
when I was a kid. But hey, look that that
could be a movie set whatever. It's not the craziest statement.
The problem is that there's all this Like NASA was like, hey,
(29:17):
look do you want to actually come and see moon rocks.
Do you want to actually come and see what we did?
There's scientific data that points out, hey, we actually did
land on the Moon. Here are the people, here are
the trips, here's the footage, here's all the technology that
was was gained by our trips to the moon. It
was really hard. We don't do it now because there's
(29:40):
not a lot of benefit to it, but we did,
in fact do it. The same amount of scientific data
appears with Andrew Luck for the people are like Andrew
Lux overrated. Really that's funny because when he has a
when he has a good offensive line, and when he
has any sort of running game, that dude is awesome,
gets to the playoffs and wins double digit games, which
(30:00):
they'll do this year. Twenty three touchdowns, eighteen receptions in
his rookie season off a team that won what two
games before he got there and got to the playoffs
three touchdowns and nine then forty touchdowns and sixty interceptions. Yeah,
he's a turnover guy, but he's also a production machine.
(30:23):
Andrew Lux going to complete his highest percentage of passes.
He's been a little bit safer with the ball. He'll
probably get close to forty touchdowns and he'll have I think,
ten wins for a guy who didn't pick up a
regulation sized football until training camp. I would say he's back.
I would say he's not as good as advertised. He's
(30:45):
probably better.
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