Drew Brees Will Win The MVP Award For The Wrong Reason

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many things to get to. We're gonna talk a little
bit about some of the NBA topics. Is tomorrow's big
NBA day, and today is a day in which we
can react to the Lebron I'd say it's a relative nontroversy,
but there's some elements to it which are doing the
opposite of whatever intended effect I believe he's trying to have. Still,

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it's it's a mere curial path. When you try and
use media TV, your shows, social media to accomplish some
sort of goal, you end up sometimes shooting yourselves in
the self on the foot. And I think that's what
happened with Lebron. Actually I don't think. I know. I
kind of felt like he made an ass of himself
over the last couple of days. And maybe it's unintentionally so,

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but you know, when you when you alienate people who
really really like you, when you alienate people because your
perception is that of a very common theme or common
um idea, when you should try and elevate things to

(02:34):
a much more intelligent level, it kind of lets some
of us down who thought Lebron was different, and yet
he kind of falls into some of the same traps.
We'll get to that. I do want to talk about
Lamar Jackson saw him in person, and there were things
about him I was impressed by, but the things about
him which people just are glossing over because the defense
was so awesome and they won the game. And then

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of course there's the the m v P debate, which
what what's interesting about m v P. And I think
Drew Brees is gonna win it. I'm pretty sure a
matter of fact, Drew Brees is gonna win it because
Drew Brees is not going to play a game the
rest of the regular season. And if he's not gonna
play a game the rest of the regular season, he's
kind of rested his case, right, like Drew Brees not

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playing in the last game of the season because they've
clinched the home field advantage throughout and have a buy
and why would you put him in harm's way? Drew
Brees doing that to me is the It's the equivalent
of not having to, uh, you know, the defense resting
and not having to, uh, you know, put whoever the

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accused is on trial because they feel really good about
the case. And that's essential to you. What how Breeze feels.
He's got thirty two touchdowns only five interceptions, which are
fantastic numbers. He's gonna finish eight yards shy of four
thousand yards. And while four thousand used to be the
demarcation of an incredible season, the fact is that right

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now already nine quarterbacks with four thousand yards, and Eli
Manning is two yards away. Breeze would get it if
he played games sixteen. Deshaun Watson's gonna get it as well.
How Derek Carr is a couple of yards, you know,
one big game, one big game against the Kansas City
Chiefs away from getting four thousand yards of his own.

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The numbers are good. Uh, the interceptions are low, the
touchdowns aren't the highest, the interceptions aren't the lowest, the
yards aren't the highest, but they're also not the lowest.
They've been able to create balance. But um, the idea
that he's had a better season. And look, the m
v P is not the most valuable player. It's just not.

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If it was the most valuable player, that's got to
be Andrew Luck. That roster is not great, and they
got a chance if they win on the road this
weekend to play in the playoffs after a slow and
rocky started Andrew Luck, of course, who's got the Comeback
Player of the Year award locked up? Um uh Andrew

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Luck didn't touch the duke the football they used in
the NFL until after training camp had already begun. So
that's how quickly he's re rerisen to to prominence. But
if you want to go with with numbers, you'd have
to go with a guy like Mahomes or Matt Ryan

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Um maybe Aaron Rodgers. Although the touchdowns are way down,
the interceptions are only two, he's got a lot of
throwaways as well. If you want to go with Drew
Brees because they've won and his numbers are good and
he's had a great career, that's fine. But the most
valuable player is the guy who's had the best season,
and Pat Mahomes has had the best season. Pat Mahomes

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is gonna throw it for five thousand yards or very
close to. He's got forty sixteen, he's got forty eight
touchdown and he is a wizard back there a wizard.
A guy's gonna throw for fifty touchdown passes. Likely, I'm
gonna throw for five thousand yards his team, if they win,

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is gonna have home field advantage throughout. The crazy part
about the Breeze thing is we're rewarding him for the
fact his team has won, is gonna get home field
advantaged throughout when his defense is actually really good And Mahomes,
whose team is also very good and going to get
the number one seed likely in the upcoming a f

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C playoffs, is getting no such rewards Like, well, we
know you've won a lot of games and you're probably
gonna win twelve, which is more than anybody else in
uh in the a f C. But somehow we're gonna
hold it against you because you've lost four games because
your defense thinks all in primetime. Like, okay, I'm not

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really sure how this works. Last night's game was a
ton of fun, and I guess he lost, but he
threw for two seventy three three touchdowns no interceptions, did
struggle against a really good defense week before to forty
two touchdowns no interceptions. Look, he didn't play well in

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terms of turning the ball over against the Rams, but
they still lost fifty one and what, without any question
is the game of the year. I just find it
interesting that for Breeze, he's getting the benefit of Hey,
his team is one. I know his numbers are a
little bit down, but his team has won. They have
so is Pat Mahomes and winning two more games with

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a superior defense as opposed to Mahomes. I don't think
an m v P does that make who's had the
better year, Breeze or Mahomes. Nobody argues any anything other
than Mahomes. But Mahomes is not gonna win it because
Breeze has the number two in terms of losses right
next to his name. That's the way we do things.

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By the way, we got David gascon on the updates,
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Every time we have gascon on, he has a he
has a fan club, Doug, Happy holidays to you man,
Same to you, gas Man. Is that now those are
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I'm not that popular to have multiple accounts, all right.
I just want to make sure that's all those family
members that tweet at us every time. I just want
to make sure I know exactly what each with it is.
We got some loyal listeners to the show all right,
that listened to you at all hours of the day.
So if you're filling in for Dan Patrick, if you're
filling in for Colin, yeah, this is I know, this

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is a this is a six hour, six hour to
National Show Day, Doug Gottling Show, Fox Board Trader. Let
me give my take on Lamar Jackson. Okay, I know
that you're going to be told by people. Here's what
happens with people. The you were wrong. People are amazing
at are They're really super amazing, and they're amazing because

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they don't even know what people are supposed to be
wrong about. When Laar Jackson came out of college, he
compete and his mom completely screwed the whole thing up.
Remember he wouldn't run the forty for anybody. Um, he
didn't have a real agent, so it was hard to
get ahold of him for workouts, and he also didn't
go work with any sort of quarterback guroute to kind

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of refine some of the things that he was doing.
No, no no, he wanted to do a mom and pop
thing and have his mom represent him, and it was
by all reports a disaster. He wasn't prepared for the combine,
wasn't com prepared for the conversations he was going to have,
and was way behind verbally and at the whiteboard. But
there was never a moment where people said Lamar Jackson

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can't throw. Anyone who said they said he couldn't throw,
that's that's not even close to what they said. They
said he couldn't throw accurately in enough, nor could he
pick a part of defense in terms of going through
his progressions enough. At this point, that's not who he was.

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That he was an incredible running threat, so much so
that teams did evaluate him as a wide receiver. I
know a couple and you're like, see, he's not he's
not a wide receiver. You're right, He's a quarterback and
running back and wide receiver all in one. Look. He
carried the ball eleven seventeen, fourteen, eighteen and thirteen times.

(10:33):
He threw the ball more than he threw He ran
the ball more than he's thrown the ball um every game.
But once like that never happens. And while he's six too,
and he's a little bit bigger than taller than you
think the fact is that he's not. He's thicker than
Teddy Bridgewater. But he's not a thick dude, two twelve pounds.

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No one said that he couldn't throw it. He could
throw it eight yards in the air. It was does
he know what he's looking at defensively and can you
throw it accurately enough? His completion percentage to this point
in time is fifty eight point That is not good
enough in the NFL. And if you watch, it's a
lot of the underneath and short throws that he just

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has terrible mechanics and just kind of flips the ball
and it goes astray. That generally leads to two turnovers.
You can tell me all you want about he's really
awesome and you don't get it. But he's got six
touchdowns and three interceptions on the year. You know, of
the of the the last six games in which he started,
they played the five five of the worst defenses in

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the NFL, beat four of them, and then they beat
the Chargers mostly because their defense. I'm not sitting here
telling you that he stinks in the current way in
which they're playing him. He's very, very effective. But there's
a limit to how effective and how long you can
be effective with that style. One people adjust to you
tend to get hurt. And three, it's a style kind

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of like the wishbone in college where when you get behind,
really hard to form a comeback. But anyone who starts
their show saying say they said he couldn't throw a football,
there's net. It's never been uttered by anyone. Everybody it's
can't you throw a football? Like Look, if you watch
all of the rookie quarterbacks, they're all living up to

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or down to any of their reputation. Did you watch
Josh Allen yesterday? Crazy inaccurate? That's not surprising because remember
when Josh Allen was coming out of college, people said
he's crazy and accurate. Josh Rosen not mobile, injury prone,
but super super refined. Sam Donald makes plays running all

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over the place. Sometimes he turns it over a bit
too much. And Baker Mayfield's upside was in question, but
whether or not he could produce right away was never
in question because he's as refined a quarterback as and
if we've seen coming out of that that system, and
that's a system where he played for five years in college.
But what happens is when the Ravens get smart short

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in the game, try and keep keep Lamar Jackson out
of third and long when he runs it more than
more than he throws it. They've given themselves a chance
in these games. Now they've got a chance to play
in the playoffs, and their coach is gonna stay gainfully employed.
But long term, from Vince Young to r G three,

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you go around this league, Tim Tebow the second year,
second time around, once you get to the playoffs as well.
Really hard to win that way, and it's hard to
stay healthy, especially it's hard to stay healthy for Cam Newton.
How do you think Lamar Jackson's gonna can hold up?
Not great? Not great? All right? David gascon On on updates, Um,

(13:50):
I'm all, I'm all about fit right, and so tomorrow
when you get your gear, when you get your clothing,
it's not about the actual gear you get, it's about
can you wear the gear you get? That reminds me
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a style maven. I do know that one of the

(15:19):
things that's interesting about styles. You know, slacks now or
when you buy soup pants, they only come down to
like your ankle bone, right, that's that's the style now.
And and once you've gotten to where you're in your
thirties or forties, or definitely when your fifties, you've seen
all these kind of styles come and go. Although the
high water slacks, so this is uh. They used to

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have to roll them up to get there for pants
to be that high. Now that's the way they're cut,
you know. But I've lived through everything from plats to uh,
when you had cuffed cuffed pants to non cuffed pants
and now these pants. And of course if you buy sweatpants,
a lot of them only come down to your calves
are justly pasture calves. But not everybody type fits every style.

(16:04):
I One of the sayings you'll hear on this show
is the yoga pants are a privilege, not a right.
Not every woman needs to be wearing yoga pants. And
that doesn't just mean I'm not just discussing rotund women.
I'm talking about all women. Not every woman needs to
be wearing yoga pants. Not every guy needs to be

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wearing skinny jeans. You know, if if you have. One
of the things I've always struggled with with tightly cut
pants is, hey, I got a big basketball booty. I
don't belong in skinny jeans. My jeans can be tight
for tighter for my specific body type, but not for
anybody type because if they are I can't even get
them on, let alone get them all the way pulled

(16:47):
up and get them zipped up, and you know, so
it's comfortable with my seat as well as across my waist. Like,
that's just a hard thing for me. On the other hand,
there are some guys that are really, really lean and
it just works for them. Works for them. But your hair,
the shape of your face. I don't know if you're
aware of this, but the shape of your face is
supposed to determine what kind of ty not you have,

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what kind of collar you wear with your with a suit,
all but the shape of your face. So when I
see Baker Mayfield and Baker Mayfield staring down Hugh Jackson,
his former head coach, when I see him staring him down,
when he's playing well for the Cleveland Browns and Cleveland

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Browns and playing much better football of late, I just
think of of the fact that though Baker Mayfield doesn't
fit every roster and wouldn't be the best quarterback in
the NFL and every roster, I do think he fits
that roster. Cleveland seven seven and one. Imagine had they

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had a little bit better decision making, a little bit
better quarterback play from Tyrod Taylor. Although should be pointed
out they did uh start the season two two and one,
and of course maybe a little bit better coaching early
on and they would have been in the playoffs instead
they're not, and they're hoping to finish one game above five.

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But I I just think of Baker and I think
this dude just fits. He fits everything everything that the
Browns and Cleveland are about. He has a massive insecure
as a massive like complex about being drafted number It's
like he thinks being drafted number one overall, somehow he
was slighted. That's the way Baker Mayfield works. It just

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is it's the way Baker Mayfield works. He thinks somehow
he was shafted. Maybe it's because Hugh Jackson didn't put
him with the ones in the preseason, made it's because
Hugh Jackson didn't want to draft him. All of this
might well be true. But you know, in the in
the famous words of Will Hunting from good Will Hunting,

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I got another about how he liked them apples right, like,
he's the starting quarterback of the Browns. Why doesn't he
already like them apples? Why does he need to rub
it in? And the only answer is because he's Baker Mayfield,
because they're the Browns. And while that's not a great
answer anywhere else in Cleveland, look, Cleveland used to be

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known as the mistake on the Lake. Cleveland is the
place where even people said when Lebron came back, even
Lebron couldn't win a championship there. Ultimately he did. But
as great as Lebron is and was for that area,
Lebron left not once but twice two different times. The
Browns have left before. How many former Indians have left

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have hit the road because they couldn't be financially compensated
or they just didn't want to stay in that market size.
Whereas Baker Mayfield, who Texas Tech didn't want after injury,
Oklahoma wanted him, but what they weren't willing to offer
a scholarship immediately, and his own team, the Browns, when
drafted I'm guessing his feelings were from from there. Then

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head coach A doesn't really that he doesn't really want
me here, that it had to be the way he felt.
And that's why he's strutting like he's uh Connor McGregor.
That's why he's staring down the bench like he's given
the Kobe death stare, like it's kind of a pro
wrestler in a tiny NFL quarterbacks body. But in Cleveland,

(20:26):
I think it works. And and look I pointed out
and you know that that this the winning five out
of six. They beat the Falcons, the Bengals twice, the Panthers,
and the Broncos. Those are a couple of the worst
teams in football, couple the worst defenses in football. But
still for Cleveland to be winning any games considering they
didn't win a game last year. They won one game
the year for how can you possibly take shots that

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you can't? So they're not gonna make the playoffs. It's
gonna be on for year two. We'll see what happens
with their coach. But I think it's fascinating to see
a perfect fit. Not every guy can wear skinny jeans,
Not every guy can wear baggy clothes. Find the guy
who's bagging, who fits bagging clothes, Find the guy who
fits skinny jeans, and make sure they wear those clothes.

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So do you do you love the way Baker Mayfield
acts or his act before games? Probably not the things
he says after games? Would you like him on to
manage that? Probably? Does he live and does he learned?
Yes he does? Will he get better? Absolutely? Why? Because
he's got a ton of talent, He's got a big personality.
He knows what he's doing. Let's get to David Gascon

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find out what else is going on. The world supports Dave.
What do you got? I only got some breaking news
earlier today in college football at Clemson, head coach Dablos
Sweeney had announced at the n c Double A informed
him that junior defensive tackle Dexter Lawrence is one of
three players in a starter that failed a drug test
for the use of performance enhancing drugs and suspension is expected.

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So if it does come down here in the next
forty eight hours, he will be out of the College
Football Playoffs semi final, and that comes Saturday against the
Notre Dame Fighting Irish. Meanwhile, in the National Football a
couple of notes here with the Tennessee Titans, they placed
Drill Casey and I R He's done for the season
with the Spring mcl and things were up in the
air with Marcus Mariota. He left Week six team because

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of a stinger, did not come back, so the team
today picked up quarterback Austin Davis. Redskins have waved safety
DJ Sweringer Chargers expect back running back Austin Ekeler to
be available for weeks seventeen against the Denver Broncos. They're
still vying for that top seed in the a f C.
And former NFL linebacker and color commentator Matt Millen underwent
successful heart transplant surgery today. In the NBA. Couple of

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notes here, Jazz guard Grayson Allen is in a walking boot,
he won't play Christmas Day against the Portland Trailblazers, and
I'm waul go with college basketball Top twenty eight people
was released Duke at number one their eleven and one
this season, followed by number two in Michigan, Tennessee, Virginia,
and then Kansas surrounding out the top five. Doug back
to you on this. Kansas just lost Arizona stay in

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the Road, hadn't been playing great basketball. Well, they were undefeated.
Of course, Kansas also has as a win over Tennessee.
They've all kind of beaten up on each other. And
Duke now back at the number one spot. I watched
the Saints last night. I don't you guys. First of all,
there's a couple of really good games. Let's Seattle against
Kansas City that was highly entertaining, high level football to

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playoff teams. And man was Russell Wilson impressive late with
his with his deep balls right he throws him He
throws as good a deep ball as anybody in the game.
And then of course you have Pat Mahomes. But I
watched the Saints, and tell me if anybody else has

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this as as a belief. I watched the Saints and
I think to myself, you know, they get a couple
of calls that go their way several In fact, they
get a couple of striped fumbles that go their way late,
and they survived the Pittsburgh Steelers. And because they don't
seem to have nearly as explosive an offense as they

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had to start the year, or at times against inferior
competition when they can create mismatches, and now that people
figure them out. I know we're supposed to believe that
the Dome is some incredible home field advantage, and maybe
it is, but it was loud yesterday. It didn't have
any real effect on the game. Just didn't. The Steelers
lost the game because Juju Smith Schuster fumbled, because they're

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young running back fumbled as well, and because there was
a couple of at best calls that went their way.
They didn't lose because of the crowd, because they couldn't
hear and they couldn't stop the football. All of those
things are things that the Pittsburgh Steelers did and allowed
them to be successful, with exception of fumbling it and

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a couple of I mean, even the last touchdown catching
the Saints is blatant offensive past interference. But once we
get to the playoffs, they call fewer and fewer defensive penalties.
And I can't A correlation I can make with the
Saints is you have the m v P. I think
so so too with the Saints. Right, the Houston Rockets

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had the m v P and James Harden, even though
James Harden had better seasons previously. The Saints are gonna
have the m v P because they had the best
record with Drew Brees, even though Drew Brees has had
better seasons. And just like the Houston Rockets were able
to get people into foul trouble and get James Harden
to line a ton in the regular season, at times
they struggle in the postseason, the same is true with

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the Saints, and that a lot of the things they
were able to do and exploit you can do in
the post regular season you can't do in the postseason.
You just can't. If you can account on turnovers, you're
gonna be waiting, waiting, waiting, and waiting too long. If
you think you're gonna strip great players when they go
to the go to the ground after they've seen on
tape what it looks like when guys get stripped, because
they inevitably, inevitably they do. I got news for you

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like I like the Saints. I think they're a good story.
I think they are good defense. Eli Apple is still
not any good. They don't run the football nearly as
well as they used to. Yes, they beat the Steelers,
but the Steelers were marching down to score what would
have been a defining touchdown before they needed. The Saints
needed two or three calls to take the lead on

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a touchdown, and then after that lead, when the Saints
started marching down the field and got into Saints um,
I feel uh st Saints territory, they capitalized on a
nice passage reduced Smith Schuster, who fumbled the football, and
they end up losing the game. I'm a process guy,

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am I in the process by which the Steelers were
able to go in and execute in New Orleans tells
me there's still a hell of a team in the playoffs. Rain,
wind shine doesn't matter. That's still a heck of a
team in the playoffs. And and I don't know if
if if kanccy has come back down to earth, or
if they you know, losing your star running back that

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the season is hard to adjust to. Whether it's Big
Ben's age, whether it's the offensive line. I don't know
enough about it. All I can tell you is I
do know that they had Austin Neckler in there, that
they were trying to chip some of the bigger guys.
I do know that that they um that they that
they went to a different style in order to execute

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against the Saints defense. All I can tell you is this,
Saints are a good team. But just like the Rockets,
when the Rockets get to the playoffs, all those threes
that they took, ultimately you went cold. James Harden flopping
and throwing back his head every time he drives. When
he gets to the playoffs, they don't call fouls. And

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when you're such an offensive minded team, you gotta win
with your defense. And their defense is better, it's still
not good. It just isn't good. It's not as good
as the Cowboys defense. It's not as good as the
Seahawks defense. I don't think it's as good as the
Rams defense, and I don't think it's as good as
the Vikings defense. They're a really good regular season team.

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With the postseason I think is a different animal, and
I think that's an animal that they will struggle. Uh,
they will struggle to work with. Like do I think
they're gonna lose their first game? Maybe depends who they play.
And we act like the Dome is some great home field,
advanced like that that thing sometimes it is. I have
no doubt it's allowed. I just don't think they're constructed

(28:29):
to take advantage defensively of the Dome. So fascinated though
that the Saints find a way to win that game,
get home field, now get a week off in addition
to the week off that's coming with the bye week.
Eight seven seven Fox is in fact the phone number.

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I hope you're having a merry Christmas getting ready for
a happy New Year. Two thousand nineteen, Ponds, you you
heard the news of David Gascon that UM want to
start d defensive lineman from the Clemson Tigers apparently got
popped for p d s along with two other non starters.
And you can sit here and tell me like that
doesn't matter. It's only one starter and it you know,

(29:11):
you can come up with any excuse you want to
come up with. But the fact is that when you
take a guy off that defensive line, and the strength
of your team is the defensive line, no matter how deep,
and it is in fact deep, that's a pretty big loss.
Alex mar vezil join us an hour from from now.
But up next, there's a rumor swirling that a top
college football coach could be headed back to the NFL.

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David Gascon, what is the game you have today, my friend?
Big deal, Little deal, No deal, Doug. Season is here. Obviously,
the National Football League is rounding at its regular season,
but plenty of thanks to you on for now. Obviously

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we're looking forward to this coming Super Bowl. But do
you have a couple of teams that you're looking at
that you're excited about seeing how they develop in twenty
NFL teams? Yes, you mean teams that aren't making the playoffs,
any of them in particularly you could say Indie, Tennessee,
New England with another year with Brady getting older, anybody,
all of them. I want to see a green Bay
looks like when they have a new coach. I want

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to see what the Jets look like with all that
money and with Sam Donald. I want to see what
what Cleveland looks like year two, who they pick as
the as their head coach. Like, I'm the only teams
I'm not really that into right now. Honestly, Buffalo I
watched Josh Allen. God does he look inaccurate? And uh
and Cincinnati I'm not really into, not because they don't

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like a j Green, but looks like they're gonna have
to go after a new quarterback and they're gonna have
they might have a new coach, might not, But I
just don't feel like they're a championship team. Trying to
think who else I'm not really that into Detroit, UM
Jacksonville is interesting on sports radio, not in person. I mean,
whoever they go, do they go get Nick Foles? What
are they gonna do? But uh, most of the other

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teams I'm super into. All Right, good well, I bring
that up because you just mentioned a couple of different players, teams, situations, quarterback,
and head coach. And I said that because Mike Florio
has reported the New York Jets are making to make
a run and a couple of different guys. Mike McCarthy
is one of them, but also the current head coach
the Michigan Wolverines, and as Jim Harbaugh, he says that

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they plan on making a serious running him, and they
will do so with a paycheck that will be a
well in excess of seven million dollars a year to
leave ann Arbor. So, with all that being said, is
that a big deal, little deal or no deal at all? Well? Look,
and I know you know this because you do our
updates as well. The Jets have come out and denied

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that they've made any you want to get that? Is that?
Is that a phone call for you? I mean they
thank you. Um, the Jets have denied that they made
any sort of contact or going after anybody. But I've
been told from a good source, UH, a candidate that
wasn't mentioned in your two names, that the Jets are
making overtures for a new head coach. I've heard the

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same thing with the Ears on the Cardinals as well. Um,
I it's a big deal. If they're gonna offer eight
nine million dollars for a coach, UH, is an even
bigger deal of hardball, decides he wants to leave Michigan
for the Jets. I don't personally see it happen. Would
you want to leave if you're hardball? I guess it
just depends on what you like in life, Like do
you want to live in college town? Do you want

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a chance to win a Big Ten championship? It's also home,
so it's hard to leave home. Hard to leave home
than it is just any random college job, and you're
going to the Jets not the Giants. On the other hand,
you know, do you have decision making power in the
front office. If you do, then that's more appealing to him. Um,
but I would probably pass because I think you win
a Big Ten championship and then pick your destined next destination.

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All right, well we stick with this NFL regular season,
rounding out with some drama. Philadelphia Eagles want a big
Week sixteen game against the Houston Texans and comeback fashion.
Here's Week seventeen. Doug Peterson addressing the quarterback situation with
Carson Wentz and of course Nick Foles plans to still
keep Carson on the fifty three man correct, Are you

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holding out hole that he can be back for the
playoffs or what's the well, I mean, you know, right now,
nothing has really changed. We're just we're just waiting for
the natural time of healing to take his place. But
this is the plan for at least this week, Doug.
With all that being said, Philadelphia needs to win this
weekend weeks seventeen anyway to capture a playoff spot roll

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with Nick Foles in weeks seventeen. Big deal, little deal
or no deal at all that Carson Wentz will not play.
I think it's a little deal. I mean, look, Carson
Wentz could play. He's on the All fifty three. He's
if he's active, I think he could play with the back.
But you go with Foles, who has shown he can
make big plays. You know, Foles is just better when
he's filling in as opposed to when he's actually the host, right, like,

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as a guy who fills in for other people's shows.
And then I owed my own, maybe I'm the same way.
Maybe I'm Nick Foles, all right, fair enough, he's got
like that, Ryan Fitzpatrick. No, it's just like listen, it's
just I think there's other guys like that in the
NFL where mentally they like it as well. I mean,
some people like being the uncle, not the parents, like man,
I'm a great uncle, I'm a bad parent. That's who.

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That that's who Nick Foles is. All right, more audio
coming your way. And this is kind of interesting. The
Washington Redskins out of a playoff picture now with Alex
Smith being injured a couple of weeks just released safety
DJ Sweringer. But the reason is it's a little appealing.
And he addressed the media today on one or six
point seven where he talked about what he said and

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what head coach John Gruden said to him, J Gruna
to him, what did j Gruten say to you when
he released you? I only thank you said, it was
just uh um, I've been into in his meeting room
three times and he was gonna release and asked him
why he didn't give me an estimation. So, um, I
guess you know it was this because of the media.
So on the way, I know, you know, keep grinding

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and they will keep being myself. You know, you get
ready for the next journey man. They shot my life. Yeah.
So Swearinger took a shot of defensive coordinat at Greg
Manuski over the weekend and said, quote, I probably watch
more film than the coaches. End quote. This is a
big deal, little deal or new deal at all. Look,
this gets this goes back to what like Lebron was saying,

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and I like DJ Sweringer, he said we should have
been in man we were, We should have been in
what he said, we should have been in in man,
not in zone playing against the backup quarterback. Like, look, dude,
you're a player, You're not a coach. And if you
feel that way, you can go in and see Greg Manuski.
You know you can't do you can't go to the
media and tell people that the defensive coordinator had you

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in the wrong defense. You can't do that. Dude. Who
else can't do that? I can't do that, right, Like,
I can't go and go and go like, you know, well, listen,
Dan Patrick Cowherd, what are we doing? Odd couples should
be where Dan Patrick is. I should be where Cowherd is.
And let's roll. You can't, you don't. That's not the

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way business works. You have these idiots that play sports
that they live in this bubble to you're like, well,
you know there'll be another team, Like, hey, dude, DJ
my Man and I actually think he's a pretty good player, right,
but this is um this is what his fifth team
or fourth team Houston, Arizona, Tampa and Washington. Like you're

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a quarterway through almost a quarterway through the league. Here,
you can't call out your defensive coordinator and tell and
tell the world that after losing a big game you
were in the wrong defense at the end of the game.
But at Pro Bowl alternate someone could pick him up
for Week seventeen might be ending up in the postseason
after all, Uh, we're switching over from the gridiron to

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the NBA. And a lot of chatter of the last
forty eight seventy two hours with the Lakers Lebron James
and Anthony Davis, Swaller a lovable character and Laval LaVar
Ball chimed in on what the Lakers need and what
they do not do you think it will be cool
with the Lakers they get Anthony Davis aff you talk
about enough? So would you like to see Alonzo played

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with Anthony Davis at some point? I don't care who's
also player. Would only person don't want to see them
paying fair enough? That's a great point. So now I'm
so you expect that to happen in the near future.
Big deal, little deal or no deal at all with
LaVar Ball and his influence in the Los Angeles Lakers
and who they do or do not acquire. No deal,

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nobody cares. Nobody cares what he has to say. You
want to talk about a guy who's whose residence has fallen, No,
No one's residence has fallen quite like Levarball. Do that
is it? Man as David gascon with a game. This

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is game time on the Dug Godli Show. All right,
I want to get into what Lebron James had to say. Um,
let me first give you the phone number eight seven
seven on Fox eight seven seven Fox. You got plenty
of time to call in. And you know, I think
there's a lot to it. It's a lot to it. Um.

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I think that sometimes when we what happens is when
we live on social media, we have a tendency to
think that's the real world. Like that's the real world.
The n c A is the bad guy, the NFL
is the bad guy. Corporate America the bad guy. And
it's not freethinking and free wheeling, but but but far

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more kind of left leaning ideas. It becomes an echo
chamber and look it's it's the same if uh, it's
it's just it doesn't matter what side you're on, left
or right. When you surround yourselves with people of like,
thinking becomes an echo chamber. Started to agree with everybody.

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I'm gonna play for three or something. Now we'll play
it again at the top of the hour. This is
what Lebron James said on The Shop, his show on
HBO in the NFL, and they just got They got
a bunch of old white men owning teams and they
got dead. I got that slave mentality, and and it's like,
this is my team. You do what I tell you
how to do, or we get rid of you all.

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I'm so appreciative of our in our league, of our
commissioner like at least want to hear us out. As
long as we're doing it in a very educational, non
violent way, then he's absolutely okay with it. Because at
the end of the day, the players is who make
the ship go. There's no question that players make the

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ship go. There's no question that employees across the country
make every ship go. And it's it's part of it's
one of the things part of bosses. Like a lot
a lot of this is employee employees employer structure. I
also think that Lebron is commenting on something he doesn't
personally know about. It's like him commenting on the n
c A, like, Hey, did you't play college basketball? So

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you don't actually know? You didn't play in the NFL,
so you don't actually know. I want to I'm not.
I'm not trying to be offended, but I don't think
I feel like Lebron James is simply echoing the echo
chamber of social media that NFL owners bad, NBA owners good,

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when the truth is a little bit different than his
perception may lead you to believe. We'll get into that discussion.
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M M M. I hope you're doing great. Hope you're
having a merry Christmas Eve Day. That's an oxymoron, right, Wait,
it's either Christmas Eve or it's the day before Christmas.
But Christmas Eve Day, you can't be a day and
an eve at the same time, unless I guess you

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can be at Christmas Eve Day eight seven seven nine
on on Foxes the phone number Doug Gotlip show Fox
Sports Radio. So look, I think what happens is when
you're in different places, you think everybody thinks like you do.
And God bless Lebron James. But in the echo chamber

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of his life, I think he thinks everybody thinks like
he does, and how he sees the world is, Hey, listen,
I'm a black man who's a husband and a father,
and what I see I don't like in terms of
some police interactions with UH with African Americans, and so

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when I see protests for that, I believe that that
should be embraced because that's the way of life in
the United States. There is this assumption that, hey, we
have freedom. Two. We we do have the freedom not
just freedom of speech, but also the freedom to congregate
and the freedom to march and the freedom to demonstrate.

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These are all free. This is the freedom that we have.
This is what what people fought for. The The issue
is that you don't actually have complete and total freedom
that that's that's part of the that's part of the
catch twenty two to it. Not like we don't actually
live in a pure democracy. We live in a representative democracy.

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We don't all go vote on everything that comes across
the comes across the docket. We just don't know. We
don't have time, we don't have the bandwidth. So we
have a representative democracy, and it doesn't, by the way,
always represent everyone in the district. It represents the majority
of the people who voted in each district. We don't

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We're not actually a pure capitalist society. We have regulations,
lots of them, to protect ourselves from ourselves and from
some of the trappings of pure capitalism. So the idea
that we have complete and total freedom is frankly one
that's really super uneducated. Can't call out fire in a theater,

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and you can't just demonstrate and protest whatever the hell
you want. That's that's not actually the way it works.
There's conflicting alliances. For example, it's really sticky to protest
a lee or excuming a protest while representing a league,

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while representing other corporations, and oh yeah, by the way,
you're protesting, for example, police brutality when you're protected on
the field by those same men and women police officers.
I know that we all want to fall in line
with this thought that Colin Kaepernick is only out of
the league because he protested. Do I think that that's

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a that's a part of the story. I do. I
also think that Kaepernick had a chance to be with
the Rape, had a chance to be with the Broncos
before he played the last year with Niners. That's sour
the Broncos on him. I think he had a chance
to be with the Ravens and his girlfriend center on
instagram tweet which Instagram picture which had the owner of

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the Ravens, Steve Bischotti as a pictured as as a
slave owner from Django unchained like that would have been
a great home for him playing for a hardball when
they needed a quarterback, and yet she annihilated that. In addition,
other teams got scared off by that dude. You can't

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control her. He's gonna become It's gonna be a nightmare
what happens if we want to cut him. So when
Lebron James had his latest version of the shop, because
this is groundbreaking stuff right the barbershop which we've never
seen before with the exception the fact that Nick Saban

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has done it. Hundreds of others have done it. There
was actually a movie called The Barbershop. Like I understand
that Lebron is trying to say, no one's ever put
a camera into a barbershop with people like me and
people like my friends. That's one thing. But the idea
that he invented barbershop conversation or filming a barber shop conversation,

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it's kind of laughable considering there's a movie called The Shop.
Here's what Lebron had to say in regards to the
difference in NBA and NFL owners. Take a listen man
in the NFL, and they just got they got a
bunch of old white men on teams, and they got that,
I got that slave mentality, and and and it's like,

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this is my team. You do what I tell you
all to do, or we get rid of you all.
I'm so appreciative of our in our league, of our commissioner,
like he at least want to hear us out. As
long as we're doing it in a very educational, non
violent way, then he's absolutely okay with it. Because at
the end of the day, the players is who make

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the ship go look for for the record, plenty of
owners supported the players protests in the NFL. It's my
belief and the belief of most people that the owners,
while while many of us understand what is and why
it's being protested, there's also a pushback from the paying public,

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like this is just simply the customer is always right.
That's it. The customer is always right, and enough customers
and enough corporation said hey, you gotta knock this out.
People don't like it. You can sit this is This
is like when people try and tell you, well, you know,
life's not a popularity contest. Maybe not, but being popular

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sure makes things easier. It sure makes things easier. I'm
not disputing that. Sometimes you can you can be stopped
from doing the right thing because you've got us out. Yeah,
we all kind of gotta sell out a little bit,
a little bit. Both sides have to sell a little
bit because corporations are and many of them are scared

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of any sort of major controversy or pushback. But but
that's not a slave owner mentality, a slave owner mental like,
what don't we look that that that's intentionally incendiary um
trigger words, that's what that is. Slave, the slave owner mentality, like, no,

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it's not slave owner mentality is I own you. You
will do what I want when I want. That's not
what the owners do. The owners employee players, employee coaches,
employee general managers. Many of them are hands off. Not
all of them are all white, not all of them
are old. Some of them have inherited the company, some

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of some of them have, some have bought the team.
Carolina Panthers are just purchased shot con Jacksonville Jaguars. He's
he's an in or grant, came from nothing, but you're
like you go around. There's a myriad of different stories
based upon different ownership groups and different people running the teams,

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and many of them reflect their constituency. Like even in
the NBA, not one there's no protesting because they have
the same rule in the NBA they have in the NFL,
And there's this sense, oh man, c NBA players they
get to wear what they want, do what they want. Yes,
they do in the pregame, in pregame warm ups, they

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have their shirts. You know, they come and they do
their walk in. Guess who else has that? The NFL, NFL,
you can wear whatever your clicks you want in the
pre game. By the way, the NFL for everyone to
crying how these men run their business. It's more successful
than the NBA. It's not really close. Now they have
fewer games, so the ratings are higher, but by and

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large the viewing public has spoken, and in comparison to
the NBA, the Super Bowl hails it. By comparison pale
the comparison. So I don't go to a slave owner mentality.
You can say these guys are some guys are bad bosses,

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or they need to change their messaging, but that's not
even close. Even Jerry Jones this idea where you do
it my way or the highway, tell me the player
he cut. All of these teams have had players that
have protested. Their reaction was, hey, we're listening to our fans,
and enough of our fans have said, this is not

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what I came to the NFL and NFL game to see.
You know, it's funny about it. This is ironic about it.
I do a sports radio show. If I talked about
my belief in God once a day, Mike Bosses would
call me in and say, listen, I have no problem

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with your belief in God. I'm happy that you're on
the same wavelength as your religion, that you want to
live by by what you read in the Bible. But
you know what we'd prefer if you didn't share it
on air, because we have enough listeners who turn into
sports radio and don't want to hear about God. Don't

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believe me, how many times have you heard an interview
where a guy starts talking about God this and God
that and you just start rolling your eyes? Oh boy,
why because I turned in to hear about quarterback play
or about his coach, or about his mom, or about
his dad, or about something goofy that happened that I
didn't know about. You want to hear about God? You
know why I can hear about God when I go

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to church on Sundays. The same is true with kneeling
and political stances and and and protesting police brutality. You
can be as heroic as you want, but you have
to understand that at least percentage of the viewers of
the listeners tune in on a Sunday and they don't

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want to be bothered by politics. No matter how much
they agree with you, it ends up turning them off. Like, look,
I get enough of it. There's CNN, MSNBC, Fox News
as well as all the local channels, and we talk
so much about politics now it's just even for somebody
like me and I love political science, it's enough. And

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once you start to say slave owner mentality, you lose
people when you make forty million dollars a year when
you're when you're a hunt, when when you're worth over
a hundred two hundred, three hundred million dollars, and you
start talking about a sport that you don't play, that
has the same rules for the national anthem that yours have,

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you just sound like somebody who, like I, kind of
have a dream job my whole life, and I don't
really want to be told what to do, even if
it's in a sport where you kind of have to
be told what to do. Is there a way to
get guys to do it and ask nicely? Sure? Sometimes,
and sometimes you don't have time to ask questions do
we want you to do? Or we'll find somebody who will.

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Mo and San Diego, you're on the Dug Gottlip Show
here on Fox Sports. Trader Ahead, Mom, so real quick.
I jumped into this. The thing about pro sports that's
different from most corporations is two sides. Number one, most
corporations are built by profits that their whole goal is
profits and pro sports you have to objectives. One if profits,

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but the other is to win. And they don't always
stay and they don't always work together. They're sometimes mutually
exclusive as you know, and some and some cock um
uh teams. The other side is the player of relationships.
Don't don't hang up real quick. There's another part to it.
It's a really smart point you make, let me make
let me make an additional one to it. Some there's

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sometimes you're you're gonna make money and the value of
the franchise right, and you're not, and you're not going
to make money in a year to year and that
that's and while while there is fans believe, well, hey
you're making money. Remember in order to make the money
on the value of the franchise, you have to sell it.
So we're telling owners, hey, you should be okay not
making money and selling something that you don't want to sell.

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I don't want to sell it. I want to make
money on it. So it's there's there's a lot to
it that's different than the than other corporations. You are
correct right, And the other side. The other side is
the players side and the relationship there. The players are
employees in a sense that they're paid by but it's
it's not an employee W two relationship. It is a

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partnership between the players and the owners. They share in
the revenue and the profit their partners. They market, The
players market the the equipment or the other the the
sport to bring in revenue. The other thing is the
players are also um they're the product. So this is
a different business model. But but nobody's arguing. Nobody's arguing

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that's a different business model, but the idea is still
the same. Remember if you have all almost all of
these men who own professional sports teams, regardless of sport
they were, really you have to make that much money.
You have to inherit it and and or be super
super successful in business. And so you run a team
like a business, just like you run It's so different
than how you coach a team. You have to have

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a pecking order, you have to have rules, and you
have to have a boss that says either you do
this or I have to find somebody who does that.
Part does translate regardless, yes it does. But the difference
is what Lebron is talking about. Okay, and I haven't
always agreed with things that he said, but what are
he's talking about is can use a bad term. But
what he's saying is is the NBA it feels more

(55:52):
like a partnership and more like they respect him as
a product. And that's because the scarcity of good that's
an economics thing. The football is a lesson of a
scarcity of goods because of the size of the rosters
and the talent level is different. But you're saying football
it doesn't feel like the players are partners. It feels
like they're only employees and people look at them as

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employees but not partners in the business of the NFL.
But in the NBA, they feel more like a partnership,
so they have a say so in a voice. And
that is the whole slave thing that he's talking about.
You know, listen, I I understand it. But again, the
NBA and the NFL are are It's you bring up

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good points, okay, but but part of it is true.
But the NFL is a worse profession to be in
because you are nameless, faceless, nobody knows who you are.
You can if you're six ft four, your two pound
two hundred sixty pounds and you walk in and said,
I played in the NFL for ten years. Guys like, okay,
you know, because I don't really unless you know, we
know like one guy's name on an offensive line. We

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know more now because of Madden than we used to,
but we don't really know. No, that's the nature of
the sport. But the the idea that owners should should
somehow act like, oh, listen, are you guys okay with
like that's not that's not the way the world works.
Uh and and really, while while Lebron James is sitting

(57:18):
there saying how great Adam Sober is, I will tell
you right now, I know people in the National Football
League who think the NBA is a joke because there's
plenty of owners in the NBA that are pissed. You know,
they're pissed because they're talking about where Anthony Davis is
gonna go next. When Anthony Davis is under contract for
two years. That's a poorly run sport. When one of

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the superstars in your sport is trying to get out
of a contract that he signed in good faith, and
let it be known that somebody can come and get him, like,
who does that? That's a terribly run business. And so
Lebron might think, hey, this is a great, really really
well run business. But the fact is that you're you're
cannibalizing your own franchises. That's why it's hard to sell

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those other franchises because now it costs a crazy amount
of money to get in. You don't make that much money,
and if you have a good player, many of them
aren't loyal and they're gonna try and get out of there.
It's a hard thing to swallow. So Lebron, you know,
lushing praise on Adam Silver and and casting casting a
shadow on the NFL. It's a completely different sport. But um,

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I also want to point this out, and this is
important before we before we get to a break and
you can call eight seven seven nine nine fox. I
think what happens is there are people that believe, well,
Jerry Jones is like Jerry Jones. I don't think that
he's a racist, but this idea that he's a racist. Like, boy,
he's made a lot of black men rich and kept them.

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It kept them gainfully employed long after they ran out
of usefulness to him. Simply because there is there a
cowboy and he knows they're better off being a some
part of the organization then on the street. But Jerry
Jones acting to the president, I think a lot of
people freak out when they talk to the president and
and the scare tactics of and the President honestly had

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a win. He has a winning topic there. It's a
it's a it's it's one of the few wins for him.
People don't there's a portion of NFL fans and the
flyover states in the South, hell, even in where I
live in Orange County, California, that they don't like it
when you protest their flag and they will not purchase
your product and you're not helping them purchase your product.

(59:34):
It's the old Republicans buy sneakers too. That's that's really
what Jerry Jones and other owners are saying. It's a
fascinating conversation. Fascinating conversation I appreciate you having with me
about Doug Gotlip show, Fox Sports Radio, see if we
work in Aaron and a couple of others upcoming, um
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Lamar Jackson play and it's amazing how here we are
with um, here we are with Lamar Jackson leading the
Ravens to the doorstep of the playoffs, and suddenly what
was said about him is being lied about. We'll discuss next.
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Fox Sports Radio. You know it's interesting Lamar Jackson wins
again on Saturday or Lamar Jackson is credit for winning
through for two yards. I was at the game. The
throat to her to uh Mark Andrews was was was perfect, great,
great throw um, But like, look, let's be honest. Second

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half they had no offense outside of that throw, couldn't
move the football. The Chargers adjusted and the Ravens defense
one of them that game, Terrell Suggs lived in the
defensive backfield. They seemed to confuse Philip Rivers. They had
a ton of pressure and even when Philip Rivers was
able to throw, he wasn't able to step into the football.
Like the first throw of the game, Rivers looked down

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the sideline of Mike Williams. He underthrew Mike Williams. The
reason he under threw him. Watched the replay to rail
sogs at his feet. And if you can get pressure
on a quarterback like Philip Rivers on the inside, you
can really really affect him, no matter how quickly he
gets rid of it. If you got it as a
guy down below, he can't step in throw the football,
that's gonna be a problem. And I told you, like,

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look short term, this thing. It's worked before. It worked
for Vince Young, different system, but the same idea. It
worked for Tim Tebow, it worked for r G three.
You know, the college style system worked for Deshaun Watson
some last year. Some it's been hit or missed this year.
And he's probably the best of all of these guys.

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But some, somehow, when Lamar Jackson throws a nice pass, Wow,
he couldn't throw. No, that's not it at all. No
one ever said he couldn't throw. People said he couldn't
throw accurately, and he and in spite of the fact

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or despite the fact that he's that he has relatively
simple routes and simple one reads and if he doesn't
have he texted, he's completely less than six of his
passes and these are not This is not a complex scheme.
This style is akin to what the style is like

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when you run the option in college. If you get
to third and short, now, all of a sudden, there's
a lot of clever stuff you can do. But if
you get to third and long, you're kind of screwed.
If you get a leader early, the clock runs and
the game gets short. And if you don't get a
lead early and you're playing from behind, now you're screwed.
But I don't know whether it's again the echo chamber

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of social media, or whether it's people not paying attention.
There were a couple of teams that wanted to evaluate
him at wide receiver. And if you've watched him run
the football, where he has more run attempts then pass
attempts at all but one of his starts, you watch
him on football, you're like, man, what could he do

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at wide receiver? You're like need doesn't throw like a
wide receiver. Really, do you guys watch the Browns game yesterday,
did you who's the Brown's best wide receiver? Yeah, that
would be Jarvis Landry. Juicy the theft sixty three yard
completion he got, all right, you see that. Now, that

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doesn't mean that Jarvis Landry would be as good at
quarterback as Lamar Jackson. But the point is that you
know from the Antoine Ray Intolll's of the world, and
Juan Bolden played quarterback for a minute in college. And
I'm not even suggesting at this point a a change
in position, obviously because he's winning football games. But as

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we've seen from all of these guys, there's a ceiling there.
There just is. And Lamar Jackson is the exact same
guy we evaluated him to be. Anybody who tells you
otherwise is either lying or didn't actually watch him play
in college. When he's when he's playing quarterback, when he's

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back passing, he has these wildly inaccurate underneath and really
easy routes where he just kind of flings the football
and he misses and can miss badly. And when he
missed badly, you have turnovers. Additionally, and this is the
biggest issue that they'll run into in the future. When
you're only throwing ten, twelve, fifteen times a game, why

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would any wide receiver want to play for the Ravens. Well,
we're gonna win. Yeah, that's doesn't really ask Eddie Royal.
Remember Eddie Royal. Eddie Royals with the with the Denver Broncos,
with Tim Tebow, and he signed with the San Diego Chargers.
Why signed with the Sanio Chargers Because a chance to
catch balls. You catch tennant game now a sudden, you

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can make a lot of money. The next year you
get one or two a game, you can't make any
money because somebody, at the end of the day, it
does on on some levels come down to your numbers,
and it's hard to convince somebody otherwise. No one ever
said Lamar Jackson can't throw a football. No one. They
said he didn't throw it that accurately, especially underneath stuff. Um.

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He hasn't played in a pro style, a true pro
style offense, and he doesn't have in terms of calling
the plays. He seems to be kind of a non
verbal guy. And though he's a great runner, especially downhill,
that's a great way to get yourself hurt. So far,
he hasn't been hurt. So far, he hasn't had to
throw more than one of times a game. And so far,

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so far, so good for the Ravens. But we all
know there's a ceiling there. Let's get to David Gascon
find out what else is going on. The world supports
David doug. We got payday coming up for Pete Carroll.
According to Adam Schefter, he's reporting the Seahawks have given
Carroll a multi year extension. It's gonna take him through one. Now.
There's several outlets out there that reporting his salary. It's

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gonna hover just over eleven million dollars per year, So
good on him. When that contract expires, will be at
the rifled age of seventy. Meanwhile, Peter King done a
good job. Yeah. I mean a lot of people out
there thought that cl team this year would be have
what four or five wins? But I don't think I did.
My My thing was always that if they can create

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a legion of boom with relatively unknown players, why can't
they do it again? And that's exactly what they've done. Yeah,
I mean, especially with no Michael Bennett either. I mean
they've gotten to the quarterback and yeah, as you mentioned,
no Earl Thomas Camp and they protected quarterback better. There's
offensive line is still not great, but it's better. Yeah,
Carson Davis and obviously we shot Penny of this year,
their first round pick from San Diego State. UM More

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coaching news, Peter King reporting there's mutual interest between Mike McCarthy,
who was fired by Green Bay, and the Arizona Cardinals
are looking at cleanhouse this year. NFL Networks and rapp
Report report the Rams are looking to hold out Todd
Gurley because of his bad need for Week seventeen. Eagles
have just activated a wide receiver, Mike Wallace from injured reserve.
You had a broken leg earlier this year. Tessey Tians

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they placed Drill Casey on I R with a sprain
n CL. He's done for the year. They've also picked
up quarterback Austin Davis. Looking to back up situation right
now because Marcus Mariotta could be a game time decision
in Week seventeen against the Colts because a stinger in
his neck. Redskins have wave safety Dj Sweringer for taking
shots of the coaching staff and former NFL linebacker Matt

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Millan under what successful heart transplant surgery? Today? In college football,
Clemson head coach Dabo Swinge announced today that the n
c DOUBLE has informed that junior defensive tackle dexter Aawrence
is one of three players that failed a drug test
for performance enhancing drugs. Suspension is expected to come down
the pipe as well this week, and if he is out,
it will be for the College Football Playoffs semifinal against

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Notre Dame. Keep in mind Clemson still thirteen point favorites
that's coming Saturday against the Nere Dame Fighting Irish. Doug,
She's all yours, still lost though still loss on the
on the defensive front. Doug Gotlie Show, Fox Sports Radio
eight seven, seven nine one Fox, Aaron, Adam, Chris Jerry
will try to work you in here momentarily, but I
want to catch up with Alex Marvez series x M

(01:08:30):
NFL radio host. He joins us year on the Doug
Gotlib Show on Fox Sports Radio. Let's start with the
MVP discussion. I value is a hard word. Who's had
the best season of any any quarterback in the NFL.
We're going to breeze and my homes here right as
and Doug I'm still on decided. I'm one of the
fifty voters for this thing, and I'm really going round

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and round with this, and it's gonna be difficult because
I'm gonna be judge and Patrick Mahomes based upon seventeen
games as opposed I think with Drew Brees in sixteen games,
because Sean Payton can talk about prep and all he
wants for New Orleans season finale against Carolina, but it
doesn't matter. The games are relevant when it comes to
New Orleans having that number one overall seat in the postseason.
So you know, at this point, do I judge Patrick

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Mahomes who has had an unbelievable they you know, start
to his NFL career, that the fact that he threw
eleven touchdown passes in the first three games of the season.
Nobody else had done that, the fact he has forty
nine of them right now and in the factory, strowing
thirty one of them on the road, which is an
NFL record as well. Where do I go with Drew
Brees the first team to clinch home field advantage during
the playoffs. They had that late season low four games

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where he passed for under two hundred yards. But you
see Drew continue to come up big for his team
yesterday against the Pittsburgh Steelers, throwing the game winning touchdown
pass to win this game. So I'm really up in
the air. I'm not sure who I'm going to go
with quite yet. I don't want it to be a
lifetime Achievement Award for Drew Brees. And and that's, you know,
because we have to judge it based upon this season.
But man, their body of work is so good. I

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may be leaning towards Brees, but I might be convinced
to go otherwise. It's depending upon what happened Sunday with Mahomes.
All right, pretty good chance. The Chiefs have home field
advantage throughout. They're the opposite of the Saints. Right, they
have an incredible home field, but for whatever reason, the
playoffs it hasn't been a home field advantage. Another way
another in the Saints, that place rocks and they play
better at home. Neither team is what they used to be.

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Although a ted Gin back, you can make the argument
that maybe now they have the speed returning on the
offensive side of the football opposite Mike Thomas. Well, we'll see, uh,
which team do you think is better poised to make
a run the playoffs The Saints by far. And ted
Kin Jr's impact huge in this game against the Steelers,
and you saw it loosen some things up for other players.
Five catches for seventy two yards, but ted Kin Jr.

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Being on the field. This is why the Saints signed
Does Briant. This is why they signed Brandon Marshall. When
Dez got hurt, they realized they had a problem at
wide receiver. They weren't sure exactly when they were getting
Ted Kinn Junior back. Fortunately for him, for them and him,
the rehab worked out. Okay, So it's another weapon for
the Saints and Drew Brees, you know, having to win
two games in the super Dome there, undefeated in the
postseason in the super Dome win when in the Sean

(01:11:03):
Payton Drew Brees era. You talk about Kansas City's problems
at Arrowheads Stadium, oh and six, they are in playoff
games at Arrowhead Stadium. Haven't won there since the Joe
Montana araback in. So I just I don't trust the
Chiefs because of their defense. The Saints their defense is okay,
is it great? No? But it's pretty good at times,

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it's good otherwise, and their offense is obviously really dark.
Good for Kansas City, they're getting gouged both ways. They're
getting gouged. Last night it was Seattle running for two
hund ten yards on forty three carries. The week before
it's Philip Rivers slicing and dicing. And I know Eric
Berry's return, but he's not the band aid that's gonna
heal everything that's happened with the Kansas City Chiefs. I
don't trust that defense. Look, it's a matchup type of thing,

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and I don't know who either of these teams are
gonna be facing in round two. There's some teams that
may give them more trouble than others. For example, you
saw with Dallas and their defense, they have some things
that they can do well against in New Orleans Saints
and Kansas City has clearly had their struggles. Ravens push
them overtime, the Chargers beat them on their home field.
You know, So there's again those types of things go
into consideration. But I think New Orleans the better team

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with the home field advantage. Yeah, and I don't think
Cancer City is the same. Since you lose the running
back like they lost that. You know, that's you're gonna
you're gonna struggle to replace that type of that type.
But the thing is, though they've only look look at
the four losses. They scored fifty one points forty points
one points last night against the Chargers. The points aren't
the problem for them. No, no, no, I I agree.

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But you also, if you run the football, you can
keep the ball away from the defense. So you're gonna
keep them all away from the defense a little bit. Um.
I might be crazy, but I don't have any fear
of going into New England this year. Now. Look, I'm
I'm not willing to call the dynasty completely over, but
I mean, you know, Gronk had nothing, yes, no catches yesterday,
ball goes through his hands for a pick. Brady looked awful.

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Some reports are that he's he's got an injured knee.
I don't know, but you know, like, look, I think
that I think the Chargers are better. I think the
Ravens are better. I think the Steelers are utter. Uh.
I have a tough time buying the Texas. I think
the Colts are better. Tell me I'm wrong that that
I have no I don't fear the Patriots the way
I should have a healthy fear for the Patriots. Well,

(01:13:11):
you could still be crazy and be right about the Patriots.
I want to make sure that those points are not inconfluenced.
So I just want to make sure, you know, for
those of us who know you a little bit, yes, understood,
listen to the thing with the Patriots is this now
and with the Philadelphia Eagles being in Houston the way
it is, I look at this as a two game
season for the Patriots. I really do you got to
win two games at home there? They've never they haven't
lost a second round playoff game in Foxboro since two

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thousand and ten. They always seem to win. Are they
more vulnerable than before? Potentially? Absolutely. But you give the
Patriots a week to rest up, a week to game
plan where they don't have to worry about winning and losing,
and it's just going to give them a very distinct
advantage over whomever comes into Gillette Stadium. I mean, look,
can they go on the road if they have to
play at Kansas City or Los Angeles in the a
f C Championship game. I'm not so sure about that.

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They're not as good a team on the road. We
saw it this season losing to Miami even though a fluke,
they still gave up a lot of points in that game,
made a lot of mistakes, and then losing to Pittsburgh
the way that they did. You write about Kronk, it's
it's painful to watch the fourth time in his career
he finished a game without any catches. But he can
still block. And here's the thing about the Patriots that
separates them from so many other teams in the NFL
when adversity hits him like what Josh Gordon did. They

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had just they ran for two hundred seventy three yards
against the really good Bill's defense. They can win in
different ways. It's not gonna be pretty. It's not that
they're not as they're not gonna get style points like
previous Patriots teams. But are they good enough to get
to a super Bowl? In my mind? Yes. Doug Otlip Show,
Fox Sports Radio. That's the voice of Alex Marvez, host

(01:14:38):
for NFL on Serious XM, Serious XM NFL Radio. Sorry, Alex,
this is my fifth hour of live national radio. Here
here today. No, I don't get I don't get time
in a half. I look at the Cowboys, and I
think Jason Garrett's done an amazing job. Obviously, was it
helped by going out and getting a talented wide receiver, Yes,

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but I think he knew what he had in his
team and he just had to get it kind of
all right, Like he knew that that's not great, but
you know, in the right circumstances, he can be really
good and play to the strength of running game defense.
They shored up some of that offensive line that some
of that's gotten healthy. I think Jason Garrett has done
an amazing job with his team. Tell me I'm crazy, No, Doug,

(01:15:21):
I'm amazed. You're the first person that's ever said anything
nice about Jason Garrett outside of me and jil Brand.
I think it's amazing. I'm very happy to hear this
on airwaves somewhere. You know, the Jason Garrett that you get,
you know that you may see on the sideline, you know,
with the demeanor and clapping his hands and things like that,
and the milk toast type of news conferences, that's not
the Jason Garrett to get behind the scenes. This is
one competitive human being. It allowed him to survive in

(01:15:43):
the NFL for more than a decade as a backup quarterback.
You know, those guys are wired differently, and Jason is
and you know it. But it's interesting how you go
into the season and you're thinking, Okay, you put your
eggs in the Shawn Lee basket to a certain extent,
he gets hurt again. But you have Layton van der Esh.
No one could have predicted Layton was going to be
notching a hundred and something tackles this season. He's been
unbelievable and I don't think anyone would have thought that.

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The Cowboys go into the season thinking that they're going
to fire their offensive line coach when the year begins,
but they end up doing just that, switching back to
the type of blocking system to let him to success before.
And then the Maori Cooper trade, which just looks better
and better and better as each week goes by because
it trickles down upon the rest of the team. So
you give Jason Garrett some some weapons, and yeah, things
are really good, you know for this team right now. Look,

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and they're locked into that four seed. It's interesting they
have a chance now to rest their players against the
New York Giants. I think that's gonna be advantageous for
them as well. I mean, Zeke Elliott two thousand and
one yards from scrimmage. I mean, that is a that
is an amazing, amazing staff for him. Send him against
the Giants. Rest up, You're ready for the Seattle Seahawks
to come to town and that could be that the
show stealer, that type of game in Week one of

(01:16:47):
the postseason. I can't buy the Texas, can you. Yesterday
hurts Well, you know why I'm having a hard time
buying him is because of these injuries too, right. I
mean you know, look, you lose to Marry as Thomas
now kiki Qti with his hamstring. He's not in a
scessarily good to go. The offensive line, as you could tell,
really struggled yesterday against the Eagles on that wide nine attack.
I mean, look, they get one home game. You know

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they're guaranteed that from winning the division. If they win
the division, by the way, because the Colts could still
sneak in there. If Jacksonville plays like they did against
the Dolphins and pulled it off to win in Indianapolis Beach, Tennessee,
well then it's the Indianapolis Colts winning the a f C. Souse.
So the Texans aren't even guaranteed a home game yet,
it's hard to trust him. They don't have a history
of a lot of success in the postseason. They never
made it past the second round. I think it's a

(01:17:28):
team that has a lot of potential for the future,
but you know, for this year, after that lost yesterday,
that was just so so devastating. And that's something Bill Bryan.
Bill Bryan's gonna have talked to his players about because
they may be thinking, oh, wow, all is lost. We
don't have home field advantage. He's going to make sure
his guys are mentally right heading into this key stretcher
week seventeen and beyond. Their offensive line got destroyed, but

(01:17:49):
and they didn't play well. But I'm still buying the Chargers.
And I'll tell you why. Um I still feel like
Antonio Gateston fumble. They win that game, and look and
look the Ravens. Ravens defense was amazing and they just
dominated the line of scrimmage. That was the story story
of that game. But you know, they add Austin Neckler back,
they add Hunter Henry, they still have two tremendous rush

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ends and and and Derwin James is likely the defensive
rookie of the year. I'm still a buyer into the Chargers,
even if they have to go on the road every game.
Uh am, I am I too much of a homer,
having seen them play in person several times. No, well,
they go on the road every week, so what's the
difference right for them? And I mean I'm not being
sarcastic there. That's how they're wired, and that's the way

(01:18:34):
Anthony Lynn has gotten their mental approach. And look, they
got beat by a good Ravens team. I don't think
we should disparage the Ravens and what they did, and
they beat a hot Chargers club. But I think just
one of the reasons they love the Chargers is that
they're sound across the board. It's not like what Kansas
City where you say, oh, they got this great offense,
but they can't stop anybody. Know, the Chargers can stop
some folks. You know, they've got a pretty darn good
defense by and large. You know, Michael Batchley has solved

(01:18:56):
the kicking problem that they've had for so long. And
and look, I know Philip Rivers has had an He's
certing two interceptions in each of the past two games.
You would like to think that that's going to change.
Keenan Allen getting him back healthy for the postseason is huge,
Melvin Gordon getting him back as usually. You mentioned Austin Ekeler,
and of course Anthony Lynn has a decision to make
coming up on Sunday. You know, as they prepared a
head to Denver. Do you play these injured guys? Do

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you put guys out there that you're gonna just maybe
you know, like you saw Melvin Gordony had what twelve carries,
but he just wasn't quite right against the Ravens. Do
you sit him even though knowing that the Chiefs lows
to Oakland that you have that chance to get that
number one seed. I think that Anthony Lens got here
on the side of caution. Just accept the fact you
had your chance at the wild Card. You didn't get
it done. Hope that you can beat Denver without some
of these key players, but start wresting some guys, get

(01:19:38):
ready for Week one of the playoffs. Hope you get
hot and roll from there. Alex Marvez, you can let's
do on serious x M NFL Radio. Alex, great stuff,
Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, Thanks for joining us. Thank
you so much. I appreciate your brother. The pleasure is
mind speaking of the Dallas Cowboys, what is Colin Cowherd?
Uh think about the Cowboys season thus far? You'll find
out plus some of your phone call us next. This

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Here's Colin Cowherd on the Cowboys. The Dallas Cowboys won
their division again third and five years a terrible head

(01:20:46):
coach Jason Garrett. That guy's that guy is just terrible.
He won his division again. Zeke let the NFL in
rushing again. The best mid season acquisition in the NFL,
Amari Cooper Dallas Cowboys. You know, we're kind of lumped
Dallas into these groups of dysfunctional, underachieving teams, and they're neither.

(01:21:12):
Dallas is really good. They're a really good NFL franchise.
And they're going to host after winning their divisional playoff game,
probably against Seattle, and they're going to beat Seattle in
the close, fairly low scoring game, and the Cowboys will
have the best linebacking duo in football. They will have

(01:21:33):
the best running back in football, in my opinion, arguably
the best front seven in football, the coolest stadium in football,
the greatest revenue in football, the biggest Brandon Football. I agree. Look,
this this thing was over. People were talking about the
next head coach, people are talking about the next quarterback.

(01:21:56):
And to make one move and to change the offense,
that's been remarkable. All Right, take some of your calls.
Get back to Lebron James discussion next in the Doug
Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. What Up Doug
Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio, we got so much stuff

(01:22:25):
going on. Quickly giving my thoughts in the NFL that
I'm working some of your phone calls eight seven seven
nine on Fox. I wanna talk about Lebron James. Um,
here's how powerful Lebron is. Nobody's talking about the Lakers
losing to the Grizzlies at home last night because something
you said in the soup and then something he I
ged out on the way to the game, and some

(01:22:46):
of the back pedaling sins. Let's quickly go go through
the NFL. Uh, you know, game of the night was,
in fact the game of the night I thought, can't
sit in Seattle was wildly entertaining. And there there is
a there's a pattern year right as a pattern forming
Kansas City and pat mahomes entertain us, but they don't
win the football game. Where have I heard this before?

(01:23:08):
Well you heard that before with the Patriots. Well you
heard that before with uh the Chargers recently, Well you
heard that before when they took on the Rams. Well
you heard that before when when they played the Seattle Seahawks.
Those are all their losses. They're looked at putting up points,
put up numbers and have fun, but they're not able
to actually win these football games. Um, I don't think

(01:23:33):
the Chiefs are the same team as they were this year,
even offensively and losing your running back, you can't keep
your deep protect that defense, and the defense is just
not good enough, just not good enough. But they can
really really score and can make you play catch up.
And there are some matchups in the NFL where they
may have a team that, you know, for example, if
they match up against the Ravens, if they have home

(01:23:54):
field advantage and they play the Ravens in their first
home game, that's a team that if they they get
a lead against. I don't think the Ravens can play
catch up even if, um, you know, as they beat
in the Ravens recently. It's just not how how Lamar
Jackson can play right now and maybe how he can
never ever play. And then you got the Patriots, who

(01:24:16):
they lost too earlier. But boy, the Patriots like a
million years old, don't they? And here they are. They
have ten wins. They might end up with eleven wins.
They could there's a way in which they could end
up with home field advantage throughout. But he hu speaking
of the Ravens. People going crazy over Lamar Jackson looking

(01:24:37):
through two nice balls. He completed fifty four of his passes.
He's completing fifty seven percent of his pass in the year.
Nobody said he couldn't throw. People said he couldn't throw accurately,
and his the throws he's making are not crazy difficult throws,
and he still can be way inaccurate on easy throws
that are short and intermediate, but he's energized them and

(01:25:01):
plays to the strength of their defense. It's basically the
same way the Broncos played when they had Tim Tebow.
And I continue to contend that the Cowboys are a
good story. Remember when Jason Garrett only had his job
because he was boys with Jerry Jones from that good times.
The fact is Jason Garrett did a nice job coaching.

(01:25:22):
They added a talented wide receiver and everything kind of
worked out. They're not given Dak too much. They're playing
to the strength of the defense. That's why they were
conservative earlier in the year, which he got killed for.
You know, so funny, like you're conservative and you get killed,
you're you go for it, like the Steelers went forward
on fourth down with the fake punt and you get killed,

(01:25:44):
which is in America. And I actually thought the Steelers
outplayed the Saints, but you can't fumble twice. And then
there were a couple of awful calls that went against him.
Saints have home field, that's their one, I think pattern
to getting there. But wouldn't stun me if they're in
for a couple of wars to get to the Super Bowl,
because the Saints seem to have topped out a little
bit offensively, although they're better with Ted Gitton. All right,

(01:26:08):
more on that to come. Let's get to Lebron. This
was Lebron James on the shop. This is his barbershop
show which appears on HBO. Man in the NFL, and
they just got they got a bunch of old white
men on teams, and they got that I got that

(01:26:29):
slave mentality and and and it's like, this is my team.
You do what I tell you all to do, or
we get rid of you all. I'm so appreciative of
our in our league, of our commissioner, like he at
least want to hear us out. As long as we're
doing it in a very educational, non violent way, then
he's absolutely okay with it. Because at the end of

(01:26:51):
the day, the players is who make the ship go. Well,
of course the players players make it go in the
NFL as well, there's just more of them and that
makes it and the shortness of their career. The way
the contractor structure makes the deal is more movable. But
let's let's take DJ Swerringer, who was who was released
today by the Washington Redskins. The guy who's been having

(01:27:13):
a good statistically a good year. Why do you get cut? Well,
they're having a they had a tough loss, and he
calls out the defensive coordinator for playing what he played
man when he should play zone or zone when he
should have played man. I can't remember which was, but yeah,
that's that's what happens if if if you're gonna call
out your boss, you run the risk of getting fired.

(01:27:37):
What happened in my job. But we we just lost
a game. We just fell out of the playoffs. We've
lost two quarterbacks to two broken legs, and yet we
still found a way to keep our head above water.
We lose the game, and you have the balls to
say the defensive coordinator made the right wrong calls and
that you watch more film than the defensive coordinator. Goodbye, goodbye,

(01:28:01):
and you know what, NBA coaches would do the same
thing if they could, if the contracts restruction away, in
which they could, and oftentimes they do, but no one
does that. No one calls us said, listen, we kept running,
is so so we should run from me? They don't.
No one does that. When they do, they're gone, they're traded, goodbye, goodbye.

(01:28:22):
But obviously this is in reaction to the NFL's policy
on um national anthem, which the funny part about it
was they passed this policy and then they chose not
to enforce it, and no one's actually kneeling. Meanwhile, the
NBA has had the same policy. They extended their collected
bart agreement over the off season, and nobody's kneeled. Nobody's

(01:28:42):
challenged it because they know it wouldn't be right. A
lot of this is just a perception game. The perception
is that the NBA players have more of a voice,
and some of it they do, and some of it's
to the detriment of the game. Having more of a voice,
being more mobile hurts the product. It just does, it

(01:29:05):
just does. We have one quarterback, two quarterbacks that changed
places per year in the NFL, and last year was three,
Alex Smith obviously, Kirk Cousins and and case Keenum. That's
a lot that almost never happens. Part of that is
because of how those guys were valued. But it's not
great for the product because we you like to throw

(01:29:28):
on the jersey, the guy who's your quarterback can always
be the quarterback. It's just kind of a fact. But
this idea of the kneeling policy, the kneeling policy is
simply the customer speaking his or her mind to either
corporations that support these teams or to the teams themselves,

(01:29:49):
and the teams just going like, hey, you know what,
let's just remain a political You don't think we've done
studies at Fox Sports as to the kneeling thing, whether
that we want to show it, whether or not people
want to see it. And enough people have pushed back
and go like, look, do not want to tune into
the NFL for it doesn't mean it's a majority. It
doesn't mean that every single person, because look, you're gonna

(01:30:11):
offend anybody, but just playing football, Pete is going to
be affected because you're using you know, leather footballs and
you're using leather cleats and you're serving all kinds of
meat products out the games. This is what you're doing.
But there's a big enough percentage of people who are
bothered by it that the customers has spoken and that's

(01:30:33):
what the that's what the owners are reacting to. And
for Lebron James, a guy who likens himself as a
business guy, to not understand that that that shows a
lack of business wherewithal it's the same thing honestly in
many ways as uh the i G post where he says,
you know, he's rapping and he sings this song about
making we've been making that jew money and now everything's kosher.

(01:30:55):
Yesterday when he was asked about it, he thought it
was a compliment. I honestly don't blame Braun James. I
do think he was ignorant to what what the what
the issue is with talking about Jews and money. Look,
he did have just a high school education. It doesn't
mean he's not he's dumb. It just means he's not educated.
He's educated more on life than on historical facts. There

(01:31:18):
are things that you need to know, like you need
to know that Jews have been blamed because the thought
is that you know they will do anything for money.
That's how the Nazis came to power. That's why they
tried to ethnically cleanse Jews from Germany and from the
rest of Europe, because they blamed the Jews for the problem,
because they said Jews are, after all, your money and

(01:31:40):
all they wanted to keep it to themselves. It's an
incredibly negative stereotype that has been used against Jewish people
for a long time. And he didn't know, and he
first he kind of apologized and he said that what
if I offended you, which is the wrong form of apology.
And it's just because again he didn't know. And I
think honestly, he's speaking out of a place where he

(01:32:01):
doesn't know why the NFL's owners took this hard and
fast dance against the against the flag protest. NFL owners,
if you go back, several of them came out a
lot linked honers of their players. They support their players.
There's no authoritarian rule. There is employer employee. There's a

(01:32:21):
difference between the two. But but the idea that there's
some slave that's not a slave mentality, maybe we aim
more education on what a slave mentality slave owner mentality
is because we're using it for things that it is
not Chris and Los Angeles. You're on the dug Otlip Show. Chris,
you've been hanging on on a while. What's your what

(01:32:43):
are your thoughts? Um? But there are a couple of
nuances that I think you may be missing. Um. First
of all, the employees in a situation, because it doesn't
look like an employee employeer situation. The employer though in
this situation, are called owners, and the employees are players.
And the players have kind tracts that are moved around
like uh, pieces of property. So there is inherently a

(01:33:06):
difference between that of a Paul Allen, who head of Microsoft,
who has engineers who are under contract who can go
everywhere and work. This is a finite group of employers
owners in the NFL. The other nuance is I think
lebron is saying that even though you may be making
thirty million dollars at the end of the day, you

(01:33:26):
still can feel and you hit the word on the
nail on the head with the word perception. The perception is,
even though you may be a multimillionaire, you still feel
as if you're someone else's property. Because in football, no
guaranteed contracts. They can move you when they want and
so forth. It's a little bit different. But Mike, Mike, Mike, again,
this is a misconception. They absolutely have guaranteed country. But

(01:33:52):
this is not It's not for you, Mike. This is
not to argue with you. This is for people. No,
I understand, I want people. I understand, Okay, And that's it.
It's the genius. It's the genius of NFL players and
their union and and their agents to create a perception
where they don't have. It's not true. They might not

(01:34:14):
have fully guaranteed contracts, although although first round picks are
fully guaranteed, go ahead, right. What I wanted to say, though,
is it may not be factually true what he's saying,
because I don't believe it's the same as being a slave.
You're not working sixteen hours under the hot sun and
picking cotton. You're a multimillionaire. So clearly it's not apples
to apples. But the perception is, no matter what I'm doing,

(01:34:37):
I still feel less than this person above me. But
that's that's anybody. Listen, that's anybody who's ever any corporation.
Let me finish with this, let me finish with this.
Duck it's different if you're a minority and you being
um Jewish. My great mother, grandmother is Jewish and I'm black,
So you can never truly appreciate what it's like to

(01:34:57):
be a black person, even if you're a multime only
in there can be treated a certain way that you
feel disrespectful, just like people cannot truly feel what it's
like to be Jewish, where your great grandparents or grandparents
will never buy a German car because of what that
meant to them. So that's all I'm saying. It's well, well,
I I actually, actually, actually, I actually would disagree with

(01:35:19):
you that when you play basketball as a as a
white guy, you are, in fact you are in fact
a minority. You don't I understand. And I also think
that if you're if you're on an NBA team and
you're not Lebron, you probably also feel a little bit
more movable, a little bit less important than Lebron does.

(01:35:40):
And I think that, you know, it's it's one of
the things in all that that's like one of the
things that what led to the breakup of the Seattle Seahawks,
the Legion of Boom. Some of those guys like Richard
Sherman didn't like the fact that Russell Wilson was treated
as somebody above them, right. They felt like they were
cattle and he was somehow above them because he had
a relationship with the owner. That's not about race, that's

(01:36:01):
about that's that's positional. That's about how the structure of
a football team, the importance of a singular position, which
is actually similar to the NBA, where Lebron is more important.
Everything else's pawns and he is more powerful because there's
also fewer players and the contracts are different. Um, but look,
and we are arguing new ones. My my greater point

(01:36:22):
is this, Lebron James wants to be the most powerful
athlete humanitarian there is and that show The Shop was
supposed to be different. He even wanted to sue Alabama
and make them shut down their show called The Shop
because he felt like it was biting off his style

(01:36:42):
because like they were doing something different. The conversation that
they're having is no different, it's not elevated. The only
elevation of it was in the very first episode they
basically talked about, man, you know, fans suck to be around.
It sucks to always be a rich person and then
have to do things around common people like they're just

(01:37:03):
their lack of reality there with it is a lack
of reality. The idea again this is NFL fans will
forever sit there and go like, you know, our guys,
you can move them, you can cut them at the
drop of that. And that's not true. You have an
amount of your contract that's guaranteed, you have a point
in the year in which becomes vested. If they cut you,
they have to pay you every penny and then you

(01:37:24):
get a new contract and you get new money. And
if you're not good, and that's actually the way it
probably should work. We we we we operate like baseball
players have these incredible deals. Baseball players don't make any
money until their fourth year in Major League Baseball, which
oftentimes is somewhere between their fifth and eighth or ninth
year playing professional sports. Aaron Judge, I've said this time again.

(01:37:45):
He makes six hundred thousand dollars this year. This is
fifth year I think playing professional baseball. Six hundred thousand
dollars a lot of money in the but in compared
to Major League Baseball, they weed dudes out left and right.
And if you can survive long enough and be successful,
then you're gonna get an old been pay day. Alright,
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Given my thoughts on fulls and whens and what the
Eagles should do. But uh, look you say Lebron and

(01:38:50):
slave mentality and it becomes hot button topic. We'll take
some more of your phone calls. Mike in Los Angeles.
You're on the Doug Gotlip Show. What's on your mind? Mike?
Thanks for taking my call. Uh as a reporter and
a at a talk show host. Also in a longtime
basketball fan. Uh in my uh in my late fifties,

(01:39:10):
I always want to embrace a good story for basketball people,
whether it's to run our Test Foundation Lebron opening up
a school that thing. However, I'm I am brutally aware
of every story that being said. Let's take a look
at what Lebron said regarding the NFL slave mentality. That's

(01:39:33):
right out of Maxe Waters, Corey Booker, Reverend right. This
is race baiting and racist. Did we hear anything from
Adam Silver, the same commissioner that took the NBA All
Star Game away from Charlotte, North Carolina in two thousand

(01:39:55):
seventeen because that state would not allow men to use
women's bathrooms and locker rooms if they identified as a
woman on any given day. No, did we hear from
the Players Association, the NBA's Players Association, or any NBA

(01:40:16):
players saying saying anything to support the LGBT community. No,
this is really selective political correctness and also selective UM fines.
So here we have Lebron. Look, look, look, look, look, Mike.
I appreciate the call. Look I don't want to I

(01:40:38):
don't want to get this in a political talk show. Okay,
I think it's a bad look. I think that the
problem is that Lebron was what what I think people
thought they were going to get is some breakthrough look
at a brilliant basketball player who has a brilliant mind,
who is going to elevate conversations and raise and other

(01:40:59):
topics and what and and it's a it's a TV
show like any other. There's nothing at all special about it.
There's nothing right that that is. I don't know if
it's Maxine Water or Corey book Er, like I don't.
I don't care about the political correctness of it. I
think that's basically what happens when you're in the Twitter

(01:41:20):
Twitter echo chamber of Yea Lebron everything you see. That's
that's honestly the problem. That's not really a barbershop, a
real barbershop. You say something like that and somebody goes like, nah, man,
come on, then don't say slave mentality. It's the NFL,
the professionals. If they don't like it, guy, they can
hold out and if they're good enough somebody else to
pick them up, they get cut. You know, that's not

(01:41:41):
a slave mental. Slave mentality is you do what I
do or I will beat you, you know, or kill
you or worse like. That's a slave owner mentality. This
is an employer employee mentality. We we try and we
try and do the right thing, but we also try
and make make sure the customer knows that the customer
is always right. That's all this is. We're making way
too big a deal, way too many political statements about

(01:42:02):
things and assuming that people, you know, we're throwing we're
basically throwing out that somebody is a racist because they
want you to appropriately stand before the flag. That that
doesn't make you a racist. That means, that means they
have heard from enough customers that have said we don't
want this at football. We just don't. We don't. And
somehow that you know, you become the world's worst person.

(01:42:25):
I don't know who's a good guy, who's a bad guy.
But in the effort, you know, this is where and
I will give it to Mike and what he was
trying to say is this is where the left has
gone right right, like conservatives and right wingers have always
been accused of being exclusive, or as the left have
always been inclusive. You know, we take anybody. You're why,

(01:42:45):
you're black, you're straight, you're gay, we don't care. We
don't care that. That's what it's always been. Now it's
if you don't accept every part of every part of
our agenda. Then we're actually exclusive. You know, if you
don't believe in our right, even if the numbers would
tell you that you're very very very unlikely to be

(01:43:08):
shot by a police officer if you're white, black, or otherwise. Like, look,
Lebron James has he's done what so many people do
if you're online all the time, he's on social media.
This really honestly, his problem is kind of similar to
Kevin Durance. Like I think Kevin Durance is the social media,
social media addict. I think that's the Bronze problem. Like

(01:43:30):
Lebron actually said, going back to a year ago, like, hey,
my kids when they drive, like I'm scared, Like dude,
Lebron James, kids aren't getting harassed when they get when
when they're in l A driving a car. The world
are we living in? Like that's not a lot of
it is more socioeconomic than it is actual actual race.
And there are there cops that are on a power trip. Yeah,
but they're on a power trip for white people, are

(01:43:52):
black people, Mexican people, doesn't matter, you know. I mean, like, look,
I'm not asking for anybody the sympathy because I'm white
and he's not. I do think that the idea that
he sees the world as it really is. It's hard
to fathom when people fall all over themselves and just

(01:44:14):
simply agree with him because he's Lebron. That's not a
real barbershop. This conversation has been elevated, but I don't
want to get into some political talk show about it.
Tyler and North Carolina, you're on the dug out the show.
Go ahead, Tyler, Hey, thank you for answering my call. Um. Yeah, So,
I would like to say that I completely disagree with
his statement, um, and I think that it is hypocritical

(01:44:34):
in the essence of the statement. So the reason that
I say that is because he prefaced his statement by saying,
these are old white guys, and therefore, because they are
old white guys, he pushed them in the category of
having a slight mentality. But that's the same way that
he does not want to be judged. I would also say, right,
that's it's a great it's a great point. Let me
let me hold on, don't know, hang up, Tyler, I

(01:44:55):
want to What Tyler is saying is like, look, I'm black,
Please don't I'm black. I only have a high school education,
please don't judge me as being done because I'm black
and only have a high school education. Just like if
you're a white guy and you're older and you're financially successful.
Please don't judge me like I'm some sort of racist
just because I'm trying I'm trying to make money on
my on my professional football team. Is that accurate? Yes, sir,

(01:45:17):
that is exactly what I'm saying. Okay, it's fair. It's
a great point. It's a great point. Drop the Mike Tyler.
You're good. You're good. That's a it's a fantastic point.
Which is and this is again, this is what I
was talking about with the left going right, you know,
is he's saying, man, people are so people are so

(01:45:37):
judgment to me, they think, and I'm trying to prove
them wrong by being a success and by having elevating
all of my friends and our supporting group, and we're
doing this, and we're on boards of this, and we're
starting to school and we're you know, and look, he's
destroying some stereotypes. He hasn't thrown in a bunch of
money to his school, But I don't think that diminishes

(01:45:58):
what he's done to make that school happened, like I
have a problem with Like Clay Travis, who works what
works with us has outkicked the coverage. He's crushed Lebron
for he that's a that's a state funded school. That
said nothing. That doesn't happen without Lebron pushing it forward.
It doesn't. And valuing education is the best way to
elevate your race or anybody's race. That that's the truth

(01:46:19):
to it. That's why Asians make the most money of
any race in our country because their culture values education.
I think Lebron knows that. But in his effort to
destroy stereotypes against black people, poor white people, people from
Ohio what or people in the high school education, people
from a single parent home like he has. Meanwhile, he's

(01:46:40):
used the same stereotypes where they get old white guys
so they must be they must be racist, like or not.
First of all, they're not old, they're they're not all old,
they're not all white, and they're not all racist. Just
because you speak with an accent does not a racist
make Just because Jerry Jones is from Arkansas doesn't mean

(01:47:00):
he's a racist. I want to make sure that's really
really important. Plenty of racists that don't have accents, and
there are plenty of guys that don't see race, that
treat everybody fairly, you know, that used the Golden rule,
that speak with an accent. But what he's doing, and
this is a great point by Tyler, is he's categorizing

(01:47:21):
people that own the NFL teams because they enacted a
rule which and this is really important. Not only does
the rule exist in the NBA, and the NBA instituted
a dress code. And the reason the NBA instituted a
dress code and the reason they instituted this the national
anthropolicy was because they were, just like the NFL, listening
to their consumer. The consumer thought the league was getting

(01:47:45):
way to ghetto like, man, listen, I get it, it's
your style. We we got to clean it up. It's
just too much. And they just like the rule in
the NFL. They don't even have forced the dress code anymore.
They don't. It was more just kind of a statement
in order to keep some of their fans happy because

(01:48:06):
the league had perception wise had strayed heads straight by
the way that those rules still exist, just like the
anthem policy still exists. And while you say, well, that's
an old policy. They they extended the collective art in
agreement this past summer. No one said anything about the
flag policy. No one last year year in the NBA Finals,

(01:48:28):
nobody protested. It's really hard to protest when there's a
members of the military are holding up the flag. But like, look,
if it's something you want to do and you're willing
to violate the rule, and you think, Adam so it
will be cool with it, go ahead, take an a.
NBA players can demonstrate all they want in pregame and

(01:48:48):
post game. Soaknd NFL players. We have created a perception
which is not accurate in terms of the reality. Let's
get Let's get to David Gascott, David Doug will get
in and out here this Adam Schefter reporting earlier today,
the Seahawks have given head coach Pete Carroll and nice
extension that'll bring him through twent one. The salary that'll
be hovering over eleven million dollars per year. Seahawks are

(01:49:10):
back in the postseason this year. Meanwhile, Peter King reporting
there's mutual interest between Mike McCarthy was recently fired by
the Green Bay Packers and the Years and the Cardinals
as they looked to clean some house. I mean, while
the NFL network reporting today the Rams were looking to
hold out Todd Gurley from week number seventeen because of
his injured knee. Eagles have activated wide receiver Mike Wallace
from injured reserve. Redskins have waived safety Dj Swerringer, Titans

(01:49:35):
have placed Darrell Casey, and I are with a spraint
mcl he has done for this season. Switching over the
college ranks real quick. Clemson head coach dab was swinging
ounce today that a couple of his players, including junior
defensive tackle Dexter Lawrence, felled a drug test for performance
enhancing drugs. If he has suspend it, he'll be out
the college football semifinal playoff game this Saturday against Notre Dame.

(01:49:57):
Clemson still thirteen point favorites in that ball game. And
one quick note in the NBA Jasgard Grayson Allen is
in a walking boot. He will not play tomorrow against
the Portland trail Blazers. Dug back to you, Grace, now's
not gonna play against the Portland Trilis tomorrow is a
big NBA dare right, five games? Yeah, give me, give
me the games here got the Lakers and Warriors in

(01:50:17):
the afternoon time. I believe you gotta go. We gotta
go in order. Please, all right, you got Milwaukee and
New York. That's the that's the morning. The game that
we got tomorrow. Okay, see is in Houston, Philadelphia's in Boston,
l A is in Golden State, Portland's Utah the nightcap. Okay,
So Boston is not healthy, Houston is not healthy, right,

(01:50:38):
Nicks aren't any good? H Lakers go to the Warriors.
That's gonna be. That's gonna be fascinating that probably, and
the Warriors are not fully healthy yet either, although they
won last night on a on a on a Steph
Curry drive. Lakers lost, Yeah, Memphis, Lakers lost. Lakers lost Memphis.
Paul George has been running an absolute fever here of late, uh,

(01:51:01):
shooting the eyes out of the the basketball and as I
have predicted, I thought the Thunder would have a great season.
Paul George everging twenty six points a game, like it's
kind of lost in the as. I'm not sure anybody's
even brought this up nationally, Like, has anybody pay attention
to Paul George? This is Paul, This is Paul George
and since the fifth of December and thirty one like

(01:51:28):
that is getting buckets in a serious way. He told
us that he was way more comfortable, he would have
a way better year. And you know what he has.
He's been amazing, amazing. Maybe even more amazing is that
that Russell Westbrook passed on the final possession, a chance
to tie or take the lead. He passed to Alex

(01:51:49):
Sabrina's who missed an open three that could have won
the game against the Minnesota Timberwolves. All the all the
plaver about Russell Westbrook not passing, he does pass his
team us, his teammates, teammate misses the shot, and nobody
even mentions it. It was right play, right past his
Baldiston go in. Should be a great day tomorrow in
the NBA Philly Boston. Boston not healthy, but they were

(01:52:12):
playing well before they had those injuries to their two
big men. You mentioned Milwaukee, New York obviously get a
chance to see the Greek freak. I like Milwaukee, I
like Oklahoma City. I still like Boston win that game.
Like Golden State, and then Portland. Utah is the nightcap,
and of course Utah has recovered from from their early
slow start. Portland, what a crazy game last night where

(01:52:36):
with point six seconds to point six seconds to go,
Luca don Check hits a three in the corner, just
catch and shoot. My question is why was Portland guarding
anybody inside the three point line? That didn't make any
sense to me. Doug Gottlib Show, Fox Sports Radio. Uh,
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Do Do Doug Gotli Show, Fox Sports Radio. Let's get
to gave David Gascon with the press, the press. Do
do do do do Do Do Do do the gas man,
David Gascon, one guy, Buddy, Doug, I forgot to ask
you since you brought up fashion trends. Yes, you mentioned pants, Yes,

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but what about dress shirts? Like, did you go through
that with like French cup shirts? I have French cup shirts.
I have a ton of dress shirts. Uh. Yeah, I
need some new ones, but in all candor, like, um,
I kind of feel they're overrated. I just do like
like you get. Yet, I have a bunch of blue ones.
I have some white ones, and they're kind of good.

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You know. I know the collars change a little bit,
but for the most part of the traditional collars remain
the same. Now, do you wear like s medium dress shirts?
And do you wear like a little bit of fat
boat tie or or a short one? You mean, do
I wear skinny ties? Skinny ties are generally in Yeah,

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I mean, but I'll wear I won't wear a super
thick one, but I'm sure the thick ones are coming back,
so you know, fair enough, We'll see what you get
from Santa tomorrow. Uh. Speaking of Santa people, nothing I
know I do not. I have a box of tie.
I have more ties than any person should ever have.
What about cup links? Uh? Some, but I don't really
wear my frendch cup shirts as much anymore. I have enough.

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I honestly like my wife and I we've discussed. There's
nothing I need. What about her does she get? Does
she have needs? She asked for zero? She asked for nothing.
And we we bought a house and we've redone the house,
and she bought a coffee table, and we need windows
and we need, you know, other stuff that that's far
more important. Was she get something? I don't think they'll
be cool in her stocking? All right? And get the

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kidds what I can give her? Can he he uh?
Speaking of sid City, Dug, we got some things going
on with Bovada right now. They had released some teams
right now that have exceeded expectations of One of them
has been the Chicago Bears, I mean for the better
and for the worst Chicago. Coming into this teen campaign, Dug,

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the over under all win totals for them was a
whopping seven all right now, with one game left in
the regular season schedule, they're eleven and four. Worst team
on the dock yet right now is your Oakland Raiders.
The over under all win totals for them was seven
and a half and right now they're sitting at three
and eleven going on a Monday night football tonight against

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the Denver Broncos. Beautiful. You know the first rule of
tank club, don't you we're talking, we're talking about tank Club.
I'm see I'm the one guy in your show at
least that's filled in that actually watches movies. I know
music doesn't doesn't music does music? Does? He knows that movie?
Does he? Yeah? No, he's not. He's got great but
he knows. He's just not. He's just young. He doesn't.

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You know, he's like twenty eight years old. Like what
does he know? You know, he grew up with the
cell phone in his hand. You have a cell phone
in your hand, you have you missed the rest of
the world. He didn't. That's true. That's true. A couple
other notable teams, Doug New Orleans, they're over underwin total
was nine and two. Right now, what was Jacksonville? Do
you want to guess Jacksonville was? It was lower than

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you'd think. I would say it's nine. It was nine,
that's correct. And they're sitting at a whopping five and
ten after their coming from behind victory yesterday against the
Miami Dolphins. Sticking with the National Football League Seattle Seahawks
and given head coach Pete Carroll. A multi year extension
will take him through twenty twenty one, and the average
salary from several reports say it's over eleven million dollars

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per season. Seahawks so far this year in the NFC
West second place, but at nine in sixth names have
qualified for the playoffs. You know, I'm glad that his
salary came out. And it's one of those things where
people always talk about with these college coaches making out,
all these college coaches that make so much, they make
so much because they can get NFL jobs, and when
they get NFL jobs, Uh, they would make even more

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money than they make in college. That's what you know.
That the at the top end, so that's why they
make so much in college certainly has earned it, obviously,
the playoff bound Seattle Seahawks. Sticking with the coaching situation
right now, Arizona Cardinals might be looking for one at
the end of their season, and Peter King reported today
that there's mutual interest between Arizona and newly departed Mike

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McCarthy formerly the Green Bay Packers. Um I uh, I've
been told by a couple of sources, one source in particular,
that they have a guy they have talked not Mark McCarthy.
They have talked to you about their head coaching job,
even though their head coaching job is not open. Interesting

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do you like? Do you like Mike McCarthy in Arizona?
I don't mind it? I don't. I don't mind it.
I mean, look, you need somebodyho knows what they're doing there.
Who's who's gonna be on his staff? How are they
going to fix that team? That team has so many
holes on it. They gotta protect their quarterback to be interesting.
That looks like Josh Rosen is gonna make it through
his first year. Didn't make it through any season at
U c L A healthy Yeah, No, kidding out with

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the beat up offense. Like, if you had to put
Mike McCarthy anywhere, would it be Arizona, New York? Cleveland? Um?
I don't think New York. I think Cleveland or Arizona
fit fit his persona more, all right. Sticking with the
National Football League, Washington Redskins have waved safety DJ swyring jury.

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He's been critical of teammates and himself at times, but
according to Um, the one of six point seven the
fan and he went on it for an interview, and
he was criticizing defensive coordinar Greg Manuski, saying he probably
watches more tape than he does. Yeah, that's not it.
It wasn't just that. He He also went on said
they should they shouldn't have played man. Uh, they shouldn't
have played what was it own? Yeah, they shouldn't played

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zone against the backup quarterback. They should have played man
a man like. Look, you want to be defensive coordin.
You're cool. We'll fire you from being a being a
defensive back and you can go find a coordinator job elsewhere.
Good luck with all that. Uh, college football playoff format
will get underway this weekend. You've got Clemson taking on
Notre Dame, and Clemson could be without a couple of
different players. Is the n C double A has gotten

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involved and informed head coach dab was Swingey that three
of his players and that includes a regular starter defensive
tackle Dexter Lawrence, that they failed a drug test for steroidists.
Yes there's something. There's some marker for some other you know,
it could be in supplements. Whatever. Here's the thing. You
want me to believe you're not taking steroids? Show me

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the supplement that you took. Don't tell me that there
might have been some suffing. Tell me exactly what you took,
exactly when you took it. Why? Why? Why popped up?
Is that otherwise? I think you're a juicer. Fair enough,
Clemson thirteen point favorites against the Notre Dame, You still
like them? No? I like, I mean, I like comes
in to win. I like Notre Dame to cover you
like Oklahoma against Alabama. No, No, not at all, not

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even with fourteen points. No, not even close. All right, No,
fair enough that that's the press. Get out there and pressed.
That was the press or in San Antonio. You're on
the dug Out Leap Show. Go ahead, y Jory in
San Antonio, go ahead? Worry hey, Doug, how are you?
Good man? Good hey? Thanks for talking about this difficult

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subject with Lebron. Uh, some of the stuff that I
say kind of echoes things that you said perhaps previous colors.
But you know, freedom of speeches is a two way street. Um.
I would probably have more respect for Lebron if he
had someone on his show, uh, you know, if there
maybe challenge what he's saying. I would also just applaud
him that at least it is a better form. I

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think what most people have difficulty with is he when
we go watch a sporting event, we're not there to
be lectured or hectored. And I think it's, like I said,
the two way streets something that they need to take
into account. Listen, it's a good point I and I think,
what what I have a Um, Actually, my agent thanks

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all right for the call. My agent says all the time,
like you can be right and you can be ou
a job like this idea that you have to like
doing the right thing, saying the right thing, being on
the right side of history, or you know, trying to
try trying to correct everybody that doesn't make it doesn't
make you good for your your job, for your employer.
Sometimes you just have to go along with it. And
that may seem like selling out, but it's it's part

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of keeping your boss happy. This is not that's not
slave owner mentality. That's ownership, corporate ownership mentality. That that's
the way it works. And um, I think it's a
hard lesson. Do I think that he can do a
lot of good with his barbershop conversation. Sure, And what
Horror is talking about is like there is no dissenting
this idea that's a barbershop, the idea of a barbershop,

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and look, white guys, we don't have barbershops, like, like, guys,
do I go I get my haircut? And Puerto Rican
barbershops in the Eset coast, Mexican barbershops in the West Coast.
But there's not a lot of you know, back and forth.
But the idea of it is, hey, it's a forum
for free speech and thought, but you have to have
counterthought to it. You can't have a bunch of guys
going yeah, plus they're drinking wine, like come on, man, really,

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I don't think he's the worst person on earth, but
I I do think that it's amazing he's trying to
break through all the stereotype negative stereotypes about African American
basketball player who didn't go to college, and yet he's
stereotyping owners as being essentially racist or kind of having
the slave owner mentality, which is stereotyping people that he
doesn't know. It hasn't worked for Hey, have a merry

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